Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ June 3, 2003, episode, where he falsely ties Christian Identity’s anti-abortion stance to terrorism, misattributing headlines to the Washington Post while defending extremist figures like David J. Smith. They debunk his exaggerated claims in Road to Tyranny—FEMA and police allegedly targeting Christians—and mock his unverified "ski-masked FBI" Austin incident as likely staged. The segment highlights Jones’ pattern of conflating dissent with persecution, ending with satirical jabs at his conspiracy theories, including the absurd "yoink" baby-snatching claims, while urging listeners to support fringe causes under the guise of "God’s work." [Automatically generated summary]
I knew that you were going to go on this trip, and I wanted to record episodes in advance in order to make sure that we could keep the ball rolling and what have you, but the reality is between my toe surgery and feeling bad, and then...
No, so this is June 3rd, 2003, and going back in the past, because Alex has been a little bit disappointing in the present, I didn't really have much more to say.
I don't want to just constantly talk about how disappointing he is in the present.
About an hour and 15, hour and 20 of this three-hour episode is Alex interviewing a family about a situation, a medical situation that makes almost no sense.
And like the only thing that they say that even rises to the level of like, I don't know about this, is like one of them says that the nurse or the doctor was like, We don't want your money.
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We just want your firstborn child Ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha Okay.
And so they keep circling around this, and Alex keeps pointing it out.
And I was just listening to it.
I'm like, oh, my God.
This is just nothing.
It's just...
That's brutal.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, when you got a three-hour episode and you got an hour and 20, it's nothing.
Well, here we are.
So, we'll get down to business on this here, Jordan, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show as once.
So this conversation surrounding Eric Rudolph is happening in the press, and Alex is not very happy about this because they are pointing out...
That Eric Rudolph is somebody who has a lot of ties to Christian identity type groups, and they seem to be the kind of beliefs that were motivating his bombing.
Yeah, well, you know, it's good, because we saw it, we saw the real problem that it was going to be, we addressed it, and we focused on outreach efforts and education, and now we don't have to deal with this type of stuff anymore, right?
And, well, do you think he's really guilty after they already tried to grab two other people, not just Richard Jewell.
It was some other guy they said they thought had done it.
Now they say they're sure Rudolph has carried all of this out.
And here's the headline out of the Washington Post.
Very predictable.
Is terrorism tied to Christian sect?
Is terrorism tied to Christian sect?
Religion may have motivated bombing suspect.
Perhaps it needs to be bombed.
And the FBI and FEMA don't just train the police that Christian identity people are terrorists, which of course they're not.
They also train the police that all Christians of any type, if they believe in a second coming of Christ, if they believe in homeschooling, if they're against vaccinations, if you're pro-Second Amendment, if you're a, quote, defender of the U.S. Constitution, that you are a terrorist.
Now, I may not agree with the tenets of British Israelism, that's basically what it is.
The Queen of England says that she's really Jewish, and she's coronated on a stone from, really from Baghdad, from Babylon.
There are very strong indications that Rudolph was a follower of the Christian identity movement and had been in touch with affiliated militant groups like the Army of God.
This doesn't seem like a big stretch, even if you are only judging from his own statements.
That said, I find this fascinating.
Alex simultaneously is totally aware of British Israelism and is totally lying about what it is.
We covered this in a past episode.
He admitted to listening to and admiring David J. Smith on the radio through his younger years, which would be impossible if he thinks that the description he just gave of British Israelism is correct.
It's just not possible.
It's bizarre.
This is definitely an instance of Alex making up a straw man so he doesn't have to deconstruct the beliefs of Christian identity communities, because if he did so, there would be glaring overlap with his own beliefs.
Well...
From his confession, quote...
Those who call themselves pro-life and who claim that abortion is murder and that those who use force to prevent it are just as morally reprehensible as the abortionists For these, I have nothing to say other than that you are liars, hypocrites, and cowards.
There's no more fundamental duty for a moral citizen than to protect the innocent from assault.
That is inherent in the values of all higher civilizations.
You have the right, the responsibility, and the duty to come to the defense of the innocent when the innocent are under assault.
Would you protect your children from the clutches of a murderer?
Would you protect your neighbors' children if they were under assault?
If you answered yes to both of these, then you must support the use of force as justified in attempting to prevent the murder that is abortion.
I mean, imagine Alex saying, and the reason that he did this in his thing is because we've aborted too many babies, just like how yesterday I said, we've aborted too many babies!
Eric Rudolph's confession is essentially a call to arms to the right wing to engage in active violence against a government that he feels is illegitimate, largely because of the fact that abortion is legal.
Another quote from his confession.
Quote, Yeah.
That's a directed call-out at people like Alex, who use talk of extremism to make money but don't support the cause enough to do actual extremism.
Someone like Alex doesn't have a good rebuttal to that argument, so the best thing to do is to insist that Rudolph must be a patsy.
It doesn't matter that he confessed and explained his actions in detail, it's still a false flag, because the alternative is a threat to Alex's self-image, which is that of a crusading hero of the right wing.
should hurt people yeah yeah it's it's tough to foster the ecosystem that creates and perpetuates events like this because in order to do it you have to denounce the actual things yeah but you can't actually denounce them yeah you have to rewrite them as fake in order to To be like, well, yeah, people should be blowing up abortion clinics, but we would never do that.
We would never do that.
And the fact that this guy did that is evidence that he was probably the feds.
There's no suggestion at any point that Christian identity should be banned.
All of that is just Alex creating a more exciting story to distract from the main point of this article, which is that Eric Rudolph did in fact have ties to Christian identity groups, and it seems very likely Yeah.
Yeah.
University sociology professor James Aho in this article quote I would prefer to say that Rudolph is a religiously inspired terrorist because most mainstream Christians would consider Christian I refuse to learn!
So, Alex just has this whole, like, problem with the idea that the term Christian is being associated in any way with a potentially fringe Christian religiously motivated extremist group.
How dare you sully the good name of a peaceful religion that has never, at any point in time, engaged in random or raw acts of terrorism towards any people?
Federal investigators believe Rudolph has long been associated with the radical Christianity movement, which asserts that North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people.
Some investigators also think...
He may have written letters that claim responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf of the Army of God, a violent offshoot of Christian identity.
Now, wait a minute.
The Jews say they're the chosen people.
Is that racist?
Is it racist then if Northern Europeans say they're the chosen people?
Is it racist when the black Muslims, a certain sects of that, led by Khalid Muhammad, say that they are the chosen people?
Certainly, we see this all over the world.
There are a lot of different Asian groups that think that they are the chosen people.
Most groups, if you really get down to the bottom line, think they're the chosen people.
And it's very tribal.
I mean, to say we're the chosen people, we're the best, we're better than anybody else.
But why is it that only a few groups are allowed to say that they are the chosen people and it's not called racism?
It's a little bit of a strange position to be like, white supremacy is fine because these other supremacist groups exist.
I would say we could flip this argument and be like, no, white supremacy is not okay because it is one of the groups that is like all these other groups that also are not great.
So, Alex believes that Richard Jewell was set up for the, he was a fall guy, because he was getting too close to uncovering a plot by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
And they grabbed Richard Jewell, the security guard that got a little too close to the BATF, who I believe was behind the bombing at Olympic Park.
They carry out most of the bombings.
And they tried to frame him.
He didn't roll over.
Now they've got Rudolph, and they say they will torture terrorist suspects.
They've said it on the news.
You've seen them.
You've heard them.
You've read them saying it.
Calling for it all over the media so you can't believe anything that ever comes out of their mouths or comes out of Rudolph's mouth now because they could torture the living daylights out of this guy.
But I don't think he did it.
Because they were having a lot of trouble with people peaceably protesting the abortion clinics.
Alex has no evidence that he provides to support his claim that Richard Jewell was blamed because he was getting too close to uncovering the ATF conspiracy behind the bombing.
However, at the end of that clip there, you can really see Alex doing his job, which is to do whatever he can to profit from tragedy.
Rudolph was super clear about his motivation, and if Alex were to believe it, that would be challenging for him to cover.
In order for this to be marketable for Alex, he needs to make this a false flag, and you can see him shamelessly do exactly that here.
Rudolph was motivated by an extreme anti-abortion position, so Alex has rewritten the story to be that the feds are worried about anti-abortion activism, so they make up this patsy to demonize this group, and no matter what the news ever says, and no matter what he himself ever says, you can't believe that.
It cannot be in any way disqualifying of whatever my assessment of this is, because he was probably tortured and.
And so, if you hear that, somebody relying on that kind of emotion of, like, they're gonna torture the dude, it's very easy to get overcome with that part, because that's what people are saying around you all the time.
Have you seen Road to Tyranny where they say Christians, period, Founding Fathers, period, Homeschoolers, period, Constitutionalists, period, are terrorists?
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Yep.
And that particular five-minute snippet was a piece of gold because if anything else, that particular snippet on your film 9-1-1, The Road to Tyranny, is without any exception.
I don't know how to put this, but at the beginning when we started doing the show, I did not know all that much about Alex's deeper beliefs and what have you.
And I do think that I came in with a position of I don't think he's right, but if he is...
Alex trying to wrestle with the Eric Rudolph and the abortion clinic bombing stuff is hard.
And I think he does a really bad job of it.
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But the key thing that I really want to remind myself and everybody out there on is ask the Holy Spirit to discern in our hearts who Eric Rudolph's spiritual father is and intercede and pray for him on his behalf because if anybody right now...
I don't understand how you can live with the cognitive dissonance it requires to be like, that guy who did the thing that I want a person to do.
Was obviously set up because they want to exploit the fact that I want that person to do things and thus pin the blame of those things that I want done but did not do on my movement.
We have FEMA to a group of police on video saying Christians, the Founding Fathers, homeschoolers, gun owners, defenders of the U.S. Constitution are terrorists.
They were saying that all of us were terrorists in order to make it easier for them to say that this guy did it because he fit some of the descriptions that they were referring to as possible indicators of membership in fringe communities.
I would guess that if this thing did happen, it was people fucking with him, as is almost always the case with any scandalous video that he gets on the streets.
I despise sometimes going back and remembering how anti-cop these people were.
It boggles my mind how the cops have no idea that the people who are most likely to have Blue Lives Matter flags are the people most likely to murder cops if they come to their door.
If you are afraid of them saying, we don't want your money, we want your firstborn child, doesn't that suggest you think there was a possibility that they could have pulled it off?
I think there's some really terrible timing and unfortunate timing on our part that, you know, I'm not feeling well around the same time that you're taking off, but, you know, it is what it is.