Knowledge Fight - #560: May 12-13, 2003
Aired: 2021-05-23
Duration: 01:42:17


=== My Bright Spot Today (03:50) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang, we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for all of us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fishman colour.
[00:00:51]  I'm like here today.
[00:00:51]  I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Damn.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:01]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  Like, sit around, talk about how great Celine is, and also discuss Alex Jones.
[00:01:08]  Oh, indeed we are, Dean.
[00:01:10]  Cult of Celine.
[00:01:13]  See, I wasn't even going to bring attention to it that time.
[00:01:15]  Harumph.
[00:01:17]  Dean.
[00:01:17]  Jordan.
[00:01:18]  I have a quick question for you.
[00:01:19]  What's up?
[00:01:20]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:21]  My bright spot today, Jordan, is that I survived an ordeal that would destroy a lesser version of myself.
[00:01:27]  Oh, yes.
[00:01:28]  And that is that the other night I ordered some food for delivery and I went downstairs to get it and I locked myself out.
[00:01:38]  Oh, my God.
[00:01:39]  Locked myself out of the house at about 9.30 in the evening.
[00:01:43]  And I was terrified.
[00:01:45]  Because I didn't have my keys.
[00:01:46]  I know my landlord's not going to come over.
[00:01:48]  I don't even know who my landlord is.
[00:01:49]  No, absolutely.
[00:01:50]  No, Let me in.
[00:01:53]  I can't break into my window because it's not on the bottom floor.
[00:01:57]  Third floor.
[00:01:57]  Third floor is trouble.
[00:01:58]  I don't think that I have that kind of parkour ability to scale the building.
[00:02:03]  It would be difficult.
[00:02:04]  And so I was looking at the neighbor's windows, which is never great.
[00:02:10]  And they're all dark.
[00:02:12]  Everything is dark.
[00:02:13]  I'm like, I'm not going to hit the buzzer and like wake somebody up.
[00:02:16]  Right.
[00:02:16]  That seems like too much.
[00:02:18]  Could be.
[00:02:18]  So I walked around the side of the building and I saw someone's TV on.
[00:02:23]  And I hit the buzzer.
[00:02:24]  And thankfully they buzzed me up.
[00:02:26]  I was so terrified that I was like, well, great.
[00:02:29]  I've got my food, but now I guess I'll be- Well, at least you wouldn't starve out there.
[00:02:34]  I was like- I'll be eating and sleeping out in the alley tonight.
[00:02:37]  It was a warm night.
[00:02:38]  It wasn't too bad.
[00:02:39]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:02:40]  And that might have been part of the reason why I forgot my keys.
[00:02:42]  Yeah, it could have been.
[00:02:43]  Because it was just sort of like, hey.
[00:02:45]  Did you put your shoes on?
[00:02:46]  I think I had sandals.
[00:02:49]  How dare you?
[00:02:50]  How dare you?
[00:02:51]  I know you're not a fan.
[00:02:53]  No open dude shoes.
[00:02:55]  It's not open-toe.
[00:02:56]  It's closed.
[00:02:57]  It's closed toe.
[00:02:57]  All right.
[00:02:58]  So what about you?
[00:02:59]  My bright spot, Dan, is currently, as we speak, goes the Eurovision Song Contest.
[00:03:06]  I know every year you get very excited about, what the fuck?
[00:03:10]  No, you don't.
[00:03:11]  No, I don't.
[00:03:11]  No, I've never really even watched it before.
[00:03:14]  But this is the first time that I've really decided to dig in and watch some Eurovision.
[00:03:19]  Sure.
[00:03:19]  And it is just universally terrible music.
[00:03:23]  But the patching tree is really, really bad.
[00:03:25]  But they're given an airplane hanger to do whatever they want with.
[00:03:29]  And they create some ridiculous spectacles.
[00:03:32]  And from what I understand, I don't know too much about Eurovision, but from what I understand, it's pretty serious, like country against country.
[00:03:39]  Yeah, everybody's cheering.
[00:03:43]  Most everybody is doing like, you know how Americans invented good music?
[00:03:49]  They're all doing that, but through their own lens, that kind of thing.
[00:03:55]  But some countries do like their own shit, you know, like traditional stuff, and it's really, really good.

=== Policy Wonk's Perversion (15:12) ===

[00:04:01]  But everything is just with added auto to see.
[00:04:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:04]  Everything else is garbage.
[00:04:05]  Nobody has a good baseline.
[00:04:07]  It's just tragic.
[00:04:08]  Oh, that's too bad.
[00:04:09]  Man, there's light shows everywhere.
[00:04:11]  Well, that's great.
[00:04:13]  So, Jordan, today, speaking of light shows, I would like to let you look into my disco ball that is actually a time machine.
[00:04:20]  All right.
[00:04:22]  Okay.
[00:04:22]  We're going back in time.
[00:04:23]  Disco ball.
[00:04:24]  Where are we off to today, Mr. Peabody?
[00:04:27]  Well, today we are going to May 12th and 13th, 2003.
[00:04:32]  Okay.
[00:04:32]  Continuing back in our exploration of Alex Jones in 2003 and seeing primarily what he's all about.
[00:04:40]  What are some similarities?
[00:04:42]  What are some differences?
[00:04:43]  Where's the devil at?
[00:04:44]  I mean, that's definitely one of the biggest questions.
[00:04:47]  Sure.
[00:04:47]  Does Alex Jones believe he's fighting the devil in 2003?
[00:04:51]  Has his ultimate enemy been revealed to him yet?
[00:04:54]  Or have the prophecies that he received in his dreams been a little bit muddled?
[00:04:58]  And a secondary element of that question is: does Alex believe he's fighting the devil and actively try to hide that from his presentation in order to be taken more seriously at this point in his career?
[00:05:11]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:05:13]  And at this point, you know, we started at the beginning of May 2003, and we're now coming to the middle of the month, and I think it's still an open question.
[00:05:23]  And we'll learn a little bit more today.
[00:05:25]  But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some wonks.
[00:05:29]  Oh, that's a good idea.
[00:05:30]  So, first, if I become policy wonk, do I get to see exclusive pictures of Celine being excessively cute?
[00:05:34]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:35]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:36]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:37]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:38]  I'm not sure, but I will send a picture of Celine to Jordan so you can tweet it.
[00:05:43]  Yeah, there are no exclusive pictures of Celine.
[00:05:46]  No, but I could give you a cute picture and you could put it on Twitter.
[00:05:49]  Articulate it.
[00:05:50]  Next, Louis Box.
[00:05:52]  Thank you so much, you're an hour policy wonk.
[00:05:53]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:54]  Thank you, Louis Box.
[00:05:55]  Thank you.
[00:05:56]  Next, the morning dew glistening on Steve Pieczenik's Neon Nips.
[00:05:59]  Thank you so much, you're an ah policy wonk.
[00:06:00]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:01]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:02]  Terrifying nightmare that will never escape my brain.
[00:06:06]  Next, Joe, my neighbors might think I actually listened to Alex.
[00:06:09]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:10]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:11]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:12]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:14]  Next, I came here to say that you were this close to the joke.
[00:06:17]  Not all heroes wear masks.
[00:06:19]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:19]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:21]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:22]  I like policy wonk names that are joke critiques.
[00:06:25]  Really, that one actually almost hits me in the gut a little bit.
[00:06:28]  That one, that's a little bit like a get off your high horse, okay?
[00:06:32]  Next, Escaped Son of a Preacher Man.
[00:06:33]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:34]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:36]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:37]  The only one who could have a reach, man, was the escaped son of a preacher.
[00:06:42]  Next, Scooter the Corgi.
[00:06:43]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:44]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:46]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:47]  Thanks, Scoot.
[00:06:48]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:49]  And Jordan, even though we're in the past, I should say that something is happening in the present, not just Eurovision.
[00:06:55]  Right.
[00:06:55]  Not just your vision.
[00:06:56]  And that is that some people have some birthdays.
[00:07:01]  So, what have we become?
[00:07:03]  In 2021, I should tell you, this weekend was chaka block with policy wonk birthday.
[00:07:09]  Sure, sure.
[00:07:10]  We got Heather M. had a birthday.
[00:07:12]  Happy birthday, Heather.
[00:07:13]  Happy birthday.
[00:07:14]  Throwback Zach had a birthday.
[00:07:16]  Throwback Zach.
[00:07:18]  Happy birthday.
[00:07:19]  And Ethan Mary sent a message.
[00:07:21]  Wanted us to wish you a happy birthday over the weekend.
[00:07:23]  Hope you all.
[00:07:24]  Happy birthday, Ethan.
[00:07:25]  Yeah.
[00:07:26]  All right.
[00:07:26]  So, Jordan, we start here on the 12th, and it is a slog.
[00:07:32]  It is a rough time at the beginning.
[00:07:35]  But Alex gets around to some actual news, and that is where we will jump in.
[00:07:39]  You can't judge these books by their covers.
[00:07:41]  The LA Times.
[00:07:44]  Many textbooks distort history, slamming the U.S. and glorifying despotic regimes.
[00:07:52]  Last week, the L.A. Times had an article saying McCarthy was right.
[00:07:57]  What is going on?
[00:07:58]  The liberal papers sound conservative.
[00:08:01]  The conservative papers sound liberal.
[00:08:04]  I mean, they're really scrambling things right now.
[00:08:07]  So just a quick reminder, the L.A. Times editorial that Alex is talking about did not say that McCarthy was right.
[00:08:12]  Nope.
[00:08:12]  It was, in fact, a scathing condemnation of McCarthy and his tactics and a plea not to throw out all opposition to communism just based on how big a piece of shit he was.
[00:08:20]  So maybe journalistic outlets aren't as topsy-turvy as he's kind of presenting it.
[00:08:25]  Well, I mean, if you just make assumptions based on headlines and what you think things are, then things are topsy-turvy.
[00:08:30]  They could be topsy-turvy.
[00:08:32]  So I was able to find this article that Alex is talking about in the LA Times about textbooks.
[00:08:36]  It's by Diane Ravich, an author whose work is almost exclusively about education-related issues.
[00:08:42]  The first thing to point out is that this, much like the other article Alex cites, is an editorial.
[00:08:48]  Ravitz is writing in the first person, and it's not a piece of straight reporting.
[00:08:52]  Around this time in history, Ravich had just released a book titled The Language Police, How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn.
[00:08:59]  The book was about how fear of igniting controversy from both left and right-wing pressure groups has led to textbooks that give students an incomplete view of subjects like history and literature.
[00:09:09]  In her article for The Times, she says, quote, the textbooks go out of their way to sanitize the very practices in non-Western cultures that they rightly condemn in our society.
[00:09:18]  For instance, every textbook acknowledges that the enslavement of Africans by the West was a great crime.
[00:09:23]  However, when describing slavery in the Middle East or Africa, many claim that it is a path to upward career mobility or a chance to join a new family.
[00:09:30]  Slavery is wrong in any time and place and should be recognized as such.
[00:09:34]  That's a fair enough point, but I want to make sure that we illuminate how this criticism is different than that that's lobbied by someone like Alex.
[00:09:42]  Alex doesn't want all cultures to be represented accurately and with proper historical context.
[00:09:46]  He would want the Middle Eastern or African slavery discussed, but he would also want the textbooks to ignore American slavery.
[00:09:53]  Or if they had to cover it, the focus should be on how America actually ended slavery.
[00:09:57]  No, if it weren't for white people, we never would have ended slavery.
[00:10:00]  Everybody knows this.
[00:10:02]  Ravich is pointing out certain textbooks that she's read that are lazy.
[00:10:05]  Alex just doesn't want history to make him feel bad.
[00:10:08]  It would make him feel really bad.
[00:10:10]  It would make him feel really bad.
[00:10:11]  It's a very specific difference.
[00:10:13]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:14]  You know, if you're quoting Thomas Jefferson incorrectly all the time, but it's like, hey, I'm Thomas Jefferson.
[00:10:20]  I love having slaves.
[00:10:21]  It'd make you feel like maybe the founding fathers weren't very smart.
[00:10:25]  Also, I suspect that Alex wouldn't like this paragraph in the Times article.
[00:10:29]  Quote, the history's treatment of religion is scandalous.
[00:10:32]  The origin stories of each religion are recounted as if they were documented history rather than religious myths.
[00:10:38]  Many publishers have multicultural advisory boards to ensure the textbooks contain only positive facts about religion or ethnic groups.
[00:10:45]  I suspect that Alex didn't read the whole article since he definitely would not like the suggestion that his religious beliefs are a myth.
[00:10:51]  Also, that clip that we listened to is like a half hour into the show.
[00:10:54]  It's a real, it was walking through molasses.
[00:10:57]  Yeah.
[00:10:57]  Yeah.
[00:10:57]  Yeah, that's not good.
[00:10:58]  It was tough.
[00:10:59]  That's not good.
[00:11:01]  But it started up fast after half an hour.
[00:11:04]  And it got into some like really interesting stuff that, like, when I think about going back in time and looking at these episodes, this is such a good example of like being able to go in different directions from things that Alex says and learning about interesting stuff like this.
[00:11:24]  This is now in the Belfast Telegraph.
[00:11:26]  It is in the BBC.
[00:11:29]  It is in the London Guardian.
[00:11:31]  Top double agent in IRA guilty of up to 40 murders.
[00:11:36]  Turns out that the top man in the IRA carrying out the bombings, the killings, the shootings, everything, as we told you last year, Was MI5/6 ultra-secret agent.
[00:11:54]  Okay.
[00:11:55]  All right.
[00:11:56]  So, what's going on here is that Alex is glossing over an amazing story just to make it valuable to his worldview when, in fact, it doesn't really work at all.
[00:12:05]  The IRA member in question here is a double agent for British intelligence codenamed StakeKnife.
[00:12:11]  He denies that any of this.
[00:12:12]  That is not as cool as you made it sound.
[00:12:14]  Codenamed Stake Knife?
[00:12:15]  No, that sucks.
[00:12:16]  That would be terrible.
[00:12:17]  I don't want to be codenamed StakeKnife.
[00:12:19]  It's S-T-A-K-E.
[00:12:22]  That's even worse.
[00:12:23]  I don't want to be a pun.
[00:12:24]  Whatever.
[00:12:25]  Okay.
[00:12:25]  So he denies that any of this is true, but it's widely understood that this was a man named Freddy Scappatici.
[00:12:30]  And if his denial isn't a lie, his story is bananas.
[00:12:35]  So there's a great piece about this by James Harkin in GQ that I'm taking a lot of the background information for.
[00:12:41]  And I would recommend people check out that article.
[00:12:44]  Okay, cool.
[00:12:45]  Apparently, in the late 1970s, Scapatici met an army sergeant named Peter Jones, a guy who's so charismatic that his superiors, quote, allowed him to wear civilian clothes, don a beard, and develop his own sources.
[00:12:58]  So he was Sergeant Bilco.
[00:13:00]  Somehow, through the magic of charm and booze, even though Jones worked for the British Army and Scappatici was in the IRA, they forged a friendship that resulted in Scapatici becoming a mole.
[00:13:11]  Wow, this is a real Romeo and Juliet situation.
[00:13:14]  This is kind of a, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:17]  So by this point, the IRA had become a slightly smaller organization, which was aware that they were spies trying to infiltrate their ranks and become snitches.
[00:13:25]  As such, they put together a counterintelligence team, which was meant to root out any potential spies.
[00:13:31]  From Harkin's article, quote, by the mid-1980s, Scapatici was the deputy head of internal security and a trusted member of its general headquarters staff.
[00:13:40]  This story happens so many goddamn times.
[00:13:44]  Why are you always put in charge of your own investigation?
[00:13:47]  Yeah.
[00:13:48]  Essentially, through unconventional methods, the British government had cultivated a relationship with a double agent who was placed internally in a position that was almost comically strategic.
[00:13:58]  It's just ridiculous.
[00:14:00]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:14:01]  Their double agent was the guy in the IRA who was in charge of finding double agents within the IRA.
[00:14:06]  That's unrealistic in a bond movie.
[00:14:09]  You'd be like, get the fuck out of here.
[00:14:11]  Yeah.
[00:14:12]  So as is the case with all these sorts of spy-related stories, everything is morally questionable.
[00:14:17]  A lot of the story revolves around Scapatici killing or allowing people to be killed who could compromise his position as a double agent or people who they needed to protect in order to pursue goals of like arresting higher-up figures.
[00:14:29]  Sure, sure.
[00:14:30]  Unfortunately, some of those people definitely got killed.
[00:14:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha.
[00:14:33]  It's messy business, and no one's hands are clean, but depending on whose version of the story you believe, this is all made up, according to Scappatici.
[00:14:41]  Okay.
[00:14:41]  Or Scapatici was responsible for helping disrupt multiple terrorist plots at a horrible cost.
[00:14:47]  The accusation that Freddy Scapatici was stake knife came to light in 2003, and this became a big story, as well, it should be.
[00:14:55]  The important piece to recognize here, though, is that Alex is missing the forest for the trees.
[00:15:00]  He deprives his audience of learning about this fascinating piece of history or from learning about the history of the IRA and the troubles because the headline works a different way for him.
[00:15:09]  This is a story about a very well-placed double agent within the IRA.
[00:15:13]  But to Alex, this can prove that MI6 was running the IRA all along, and the bombings and the attacks were all just false flags.
[00:15:21]  That's an outrageous misuse of this story.
[00:15:24]  And by reporting it this way, Alex is actually doing something worse than just ignoring the story altogether.
[00:15:29]  He's creating a fake version of it for his audience to erroneously convince themselves they understand.
[00:15:34]  He's like Aaron Sorkin.
[00:15:37]  Even if all the allegations about Scappatici are correct and accurate, he wasn't the top man in the IRA, and he wasn't the one carrying out the bombings.
[00:15:46]  Alex is embellishing that element of the story because it helps him construct the impression that the world is all fake and that everything you hear is a lie.
[00:15:54]  It's a perversion of skepticism and curiosity.
[00:15:57]  Yeah, that's it is really a good, I mean, as far as storytelling goes, when you reduce it down into this kind of bullshit, you miss out on a very human story where people are making difficult decisions in moral gray areas where they're struggling to keep from being caught while at the same time struggling to show that they're trying to catch themselves.
[00:16:17]  You know, like that's a really fascinating story.
[00:16:20]  The MI6 already running the IRA is a really boring story, actually.
[00:16:24]  Yeah, but it's much easier.
[00:16:26]  It explains it has explanatory power over stuff that would be so like it takes years of study.
[00:16:34]  Sure.
[00:16:34]  You could be a historian in a university with tenure and maybe not fully be able to explain it except over the course of a semester.
[00:16:44]  Right, right, right.
[00:16:45]  Well, I mean, and it goes back again to how boring it is that your enemy is both everywhere running everything and is also so incompetent that you can defeat them at any and all times.
[00:16:57]  Of course.
[00:16:57]  That's a boring story.
[00:16:59]  I don't care if Superman can always win.
[00:17:02]  I don't care.
[00:17:03]  Sure.
[00:17:04]  You know, it's boring.
[00:17:05]  I think too, like, what I was getting at is that, like, it's very unsatisfying if you're a demagogue on the radio to be like, all right, let's buckle down and everybody take notes.
[00:17:16]  This is going to take forever.
[00:17:17]  It's going to require a lot of reading and research on your part.
[00:17:21]  Serial became a huge hit.
[00:17:23]  But instead, everybody, like, just telling people, like, it's all fake.
[00:17:28]  The big boogeyman is running everything.
[00:17:30]  Who cares?
[00:17:30]  That's true.
[00:17:30]  It's all these globalists.
[00:17:32]  Now, serial did become a huge hit.
[00:17:36]  I don't know.
[00:17:37]  I'm saying it does both.
[00:17:38]  Never mind.
[00:17:38]  I'm sorry.
[00:17:39]  I don't know if that was a lecture.
[00:17:40]  I was playing both sides.
[00:17:41]  I'm just.
[00:17:42]  Fair enough.
[00:17:42]  Yeah.
[00:17:43]  Also, I should tell you this.
[00:17:44]  Yes.
[00:17:44]  In 2018, Freddy Scapatici's home was searched as part of an investigation into his role in the IRA, which didn't result in any murder charges, although he did plead guilty to having at least 329 images of animal porn on his computer.
[00:17:58]  According to an article in the Irish Times, quote, Westminster's Magistrates Court heard Scapatici tell police that he was not sexually interested in animals, but preferred women with big breasts.
[00:18:08]  He was ordered to pay a total of £185, including court costs.
[00:18:15]  Man, okay.
[00:18:18]  This is why.
[00:18:19]  This is why journalism has a huge hole, and that is very intended.
[00:18:28]  I now need to know what they mean by animal porn.
[00:18:31]  I can't not know.
[00:18:32]  It's pornography featuring animals.
[00:18:34]  Yes, but I don't know what that means.
[00:18:37]  The animal kingdom is large.
[00:18:39]  How many?
[00:18:40]  What?
[00:18:41]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:18:43]  No, I know exactly what you're saying.
[00:18:44]  I just don't share your curiosity.
[00:18:47]  I'm sorry, but I just sorry.
[00:18:49]  You can't just.
[00:18:51]  It's a curiosity now.
[00:18:52]  Okay.
[00:18:53]  I'm sorry.
[00:18:54]  Let's see if we can get those court files.

=== Everything Fake, False Flagging (12:27) ===

[00:18:56]  I don't want to see the core file.
[00:18:57]  I don't want to see it.
[00:18:57]  I just want to know.
[00:18:59]  I'm sure they didn't reprint all of it in the court files.
[00:19:02]  This might be a little specific.
[00:19:04]  I would like.
[00:19:05]  I would like.
[00:19:06]  Okay.
[00:19:06]  Okay.
[00:19:07]  A transcript of a description.
[00:19:09]  I do not want to see it.
[00:19:10]  I'd like to apologize that my research did not go deeper into this.
[00:19:15]  I'm just saying.
[00:19:16]  This post script on a story.
[00:19:20]  Okay.
[00:19:20]  I'm just saying decency rules keep us from getting a full picture of the story.
[00:19:24]  And it shall continue.
[00:19:25]  Okay.
[00:19:26]  So Alex has used this story about the IRA double agent in order to justify that everything is a false flag.
[00:19:33]  All of the conflict in Northern Ireland was false flaggery.
[00:19:38]  Sure.
[00:19:38]  And that the British just do it all, man.
[00:19:41]  False flagging is a British trick.
[00:19:43]  Although it's been picked up by other people that Alex might love in the present day.
[00:19:48]  This is a British trick.
[00:19:50]  They have been big in it before the Russians or the U.S. were.
[00:19:54]  Putin.
[00:19:55]  Of course, Putin was caught blowing up or trying to blow up his fourth apartment.
[00:19:58]  Calding did blow up three of them.
[00:20:00]  Moscow police arrested FSB in 99, planting the bombs.
[00:20:05]  And then Moscow GRU, their internal security force, went in.
[00:20:12]  and arrested the police and others that had the hexagon explosives.
[00:20:16]  They arrested members of the media, and that story was shut down quite quickly.
[00:20:20]  But that is confirmed, and members of the FSB and others have now spoken out who fled the country.
[00:20:24]  Then Britain moved to have them arrested and shipped back to Vladimir Putin, who was the former head of the KGB in Stalingrad, Leningrad, St. Petersburg, whatever name you want to give it for the day, but it's now St. Petersburg, the old name.
[00:20:42]  And he was the guy really running things, and they were pushing Boris Yeltsin around in a wheelchair, completely drunk and drugged out of his mind, who couldn't even speak.
[00:20:52]  He's been running things for at least the last three years of Yeltsin's tenure.
[00:20:57]  He was wildly unpopular.
[00:20:59]  Suddenly, three apartment buildings got blown up outside Moscow in the suburb.
[00:21:04]  He cracked down, said, I will save you, was a big hero, and got elected with a large portion of the vote, and then had a great war against the Chechnians who screamed, it's not us, it's you.
[00:21:16]  Why would we bomb you and bring down your wrath?
[00:21:19]  This is insane.
[00:21:20]  So Alex seems to, in 2003, have a lot of reasons why he believes that Putin did this.
[00:21:27]  Yeah, we're very much in a, he's mobbed up.
[00:21:31]  He's a frontman for consortiums on the East Coast territory in terms of knowledge of crime.
[00:21:37]  It's strange because I don't think that Alex is expressing like, I think he did it.
[00:21:42]  No, no, no.
[00:21:42]  Alex is saying that like these people were arrested planting the bombs.
[00:21:47]  Sure.
[00:21:48]  To him, it's definitive.
[00:21:50]  Yeah.
[00:21:51]  And somehow that has changed.
[00:21:53]  Or he's just decided, I don't care if someone false flags.
[00:21:56]  I'll pretend they didn't because I like the way that they're strongmanning.
[00:22:02]  Yeah.
[00:22:02]  I mean, I guess it's, you know, if everybody else is false flagging, then, you know, I might as well pick the guy who's doing it the best.
[00:22:12]  Or doing it in such a way.
[00:22:14]  It's in service of my hopeful white nationalism.
[00:22:18]  Perhaps.
[00:22:19]  I mean, like, if he does truly believe that, like, I mean, it's a short jump from everything is fake to nothing matters.
[00:22:26]  Yeah.
[00:22:27]  You know, like.
[00:22:28]  That is a very good point.
[00:22:31]  If everything is fake and everybody is false flagging everybody, then the ethical implications of pulling a false flag are really not that high.
[00:22:40]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:22:41]  It's really just what the result is.
[00:22:43]  Right.
[00:22:43]  So I could see Alex ethically being okay with false flagging in order to serve whatever interests he's most in line with.
[00:22:52]  Yeah.
[00:22:52]  I don't know that to be the case, but I could easily see that being something that he could subconsciously convince himself of.
[00:23:00]  Totally.
[00:23:01]  I would argue that there's zero possibility before Alex's life is over that he himself does not try and carry out some sort of false flag.
[00:23:09]  Sure.
[00:23:10]  He's just going to.
[00:23:11]  Like, that's the narrative arc for him.
[00:23:12]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  I see him pulling a Last Season of House.
[00:23:16]  Yeah.
[00:23:18]  The whole thing.
[00:23:19]  Yeah.
[00:23:19]  So he and Steve Pachenic can ride motorcycles around.
[00:23:24]  And they're hanging out with Aldo Morrow.
[00:23:26]  Yeah.
[00:23:27]  So les, do you think that I am just saying that Alex thinks everything is fake?
[00:23:33]  It's all out there, mainstream news.
[00:23:35]  We haven't found a terror attack in modern history anywhere in the world of any size or scope that wasn't carried out by the globalist.
[00:23:45]  When I say globalist, I'm talking about the private banks and their private armies that control the top cabals, the compartmentalized cabals in all the intelligence agencies.
[00:23:57]  So that doesn't sound like the devil.
[00:23:59]  No, nope.
[00:24:00]  That's one thing.
[00:24:01]  That's straight up globalists.
[00:24:02]  And then secondarily, Alex seems to be convinced that literally everything is the globalist.
[00:24:08]  It does seem that.
[00:24:09]  There are no real terrorist attacks.
[00:24:11]  There is no real.
[00:24:14]  That's in line.
[00:24:17]  Yeah.
[00:24:18]  I don't know if he would stand by that today, but that makes sense for the way he acts.
[00:24:24]  Yeah.
[00:24:24]  Yeah.
[00:24:25]  Everything is fake.
[00:24:27]  If you start from the position of everything is fake, that leaves you with way more options to occasionally accept things as being true.
[00:24:35]  If you start with the position that some things are true, for instance, Putin bombed his own buildings, then eventually you're going to have to change your opinion whenever you change your opinion about Putin.
[00:24:46]  And for normal people with shame, that's no good.
[00:24:48]  That's no good.
[00:24:50]  Yeah, and I think that Alex is so sneaky that when he says everything is fake, there's so many different versions of fake that he has in his mind that you're like, okay, well.
[00:25:00]  No, the event actually happened and it wasn't orchestrated, but because they knew about the drugging in advance, they had already prepared for it.
[00:25:07]  Somebody was on mind control drugs.
[00:25:10]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:25:11]  So this clip actually got me into an interesting headspace.
[00:25:16]  Okay.
[00:25:17]  The average person in the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, even the White House is a good person.
[00:25:24]  The average Democrat, the average Republican might be corrupt and might be a good old boy, but compared to the cabals that run things, they are nothing.
[00:25:34]  And let's make this clear: that we have just a few thousand globalists and a few thousand operatives who are carrying all of this out, and then they have the scripts for the media with the media ownership.
[00:25:46]  They follow the agenda.
[00:25:48]  We have the power to save this country and, yes, the world if we have courage and stand up and tell the truth.
[00:25:55]  That clip really helped me put into context why it's so much less painful to listen to Alex's show in 2003 as compared to the present day.
[00:26:02]  And that is there's a presentation of hope.
[00:26:05]  In 2003, most people, Democrats and Republicans, even people who work in the intelligence community or in the White House, are good people.
[00:26:14]  It's just a couple thousand villains who are secretly orchestrating literally every terrorist attack in the world and running all governments and financial systems.
[00:26:21]  It's ludicrous, but from the standpoint of gauging emotional states, there is a perspective of optimism that you can kind of feel in the program.
[00:26:28]  Compare that to the modern day where Alex's show is just fucking doom.
[00:26:32]  In this clip alone, you have a reminder that most people are good people and a confident assertion that there's a good chance that the world can be saved.
[00:26:40]  Both of these are completely foreign concepts to Alex today.
[00:26:43]  Everyone who disagrees with him is a pedophile who works for Satan.
[00:26:46]  And even if the Patriots are successful, the globalists are still going to kill almost everyone with a super bioweapon or whatever he feels like ranting about that day.
[00:26:55]  Part of the reason his show sucks so much in 2021 is that it's actively depressing.
[00:27:00]  Not just in the sense that it's depressing that someone would believe the nonsense that he says, but the way the show is structured and the way information is conveyed is a fucking drag.
[00:27:10]  I don't believe Alex when he talks about courage or honesty, but I think that he might respect human life in 2003.
[00:27:18]  Yeah, I mean, I. Here's what I would say.
[00:27:22]  All right.
[00:27:23]  I don't think any show should last longer than, say, ten years.
[00:27:27]  Because we're getting...
[00:27:28]  This is what's happening.
[00:27:30]  Hey, man...
[00:27:31]  Iron Man, you're just fighting Obadiah State.
[00:27:34]  That's the first movie.
[00:27:35]  You're just fighting some other guy.
[00:27:36]  It's a real small, self-contained story.
[00:27:39]  20 years later, half of the universe has disappeared.
[00:27:43]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:27:43]  It's the problem of escalation.
[00:27:44]  It's like The Simpsons.
[00:27:46]  They're talking about a family.
[00:27:48]  And then 10 years later, it's like The Simpsons are going to the moon.
[00:27:51]  And it's like, because you just can't keep going at the same level.
[00:27:55]  But what would happen if The Simpsons go to the moon?
[00:27:58]  I think everyone wants to know.
[00:27:59]  I think everybody does want to know.
[00:28:00]  But eventually, you're going to have to say that everybody's going to die if you start out with there's a few thousand people.
[00:28:07]  20 years later, everybody has to die.
[00:28:09]  Like, it's just, yeah.
[00:28:12]  I think that you're right when it's, I don't, I don't know.
[00:28:16]  I don't know if it's universal, but narrative fiction does have that way of running into a problem of like, well, we've told this story already.
[00:28:24]  What other story are we going to tell?
[00:28:25]  What is InfoWars but improvised narrative fiction?
[00:28:28]  No, I agree.
[00:28:29]  And I think that that is the same problem that Alex is running into.
[00:28:32]  How do you keep people excited?
[00:28:34]  Exactly.
[00:28:36]  Because I think that you can have other things like the McNeil Lair Hour didn't go in the future.
[00:28:40]  Sure, sure.
[00:28:41]  Sure.
[00:28:42]  I realized Carson was on the air for a while.
[00:28:44]  Yeah, there's other forms of entertainment that don't have the same escalatory problem.
[00:28:50]  Nope.
[00:28:50]  Everything is Faulty Towers.
[00:28:52]  The end two seasons get out.
[00:28:53]  So here is a nice example of the continuing threat of Alex being wrong in a way that he will soon learn is wrong.
[00:29:00]  And they are appointing Bath Party leaders to almost every position.
[00:29:04]  The people trained by the CIA in torture, espionage, oppression in the 70s and 80s.
[00:29:09]  It is a CIA government.
[00:29:11]  They're appointing the scum again in Iraq.
[00:29:15]  So we've got these really consistent things that keep coming up on every show.
[00:29:20]  Like Putin bombed the apartment buildings and they're putting the Bath Party CIA agents in power.
[00:29:27]  I know it sounds like I'm beating a dead horse here, but like it's constant.
[00:29:33]  Not like he's saying it every other minute, but every show, these things are touched on.
[00:29:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:39]  And they're both not at all.
[00:29:42]  Well, one's just inaccurate.
[00:29:43]  Yeah.
[00:29:43]  And then the other one is something that is exactly the opposite of what Alex would later believe.
[00:29:50]  He doesn't know.
[00:29:51]  We don't know yet that debathification is beginning.
[00:29:55]  Right?
[00:29:55]  No.
[00:29:55]  So I believe we're another week or so off when that conversation starts.
[00:30:00]  Yeah.
[00:30:00]  I mean, it's close, though.
[00:30:02]  Yeah, it's in, I believe it's in May or roundabouts in 2003.
[00:30:06]  See, now, this is one thing that is so frustrating about Alex is that on that day that he does find out, I would like him to find out on air, and I would like him to deflate like a balloon, you know, somebody to prick him, and he just goes, um, like that.
[00:30:22]  But he's not going to do that.
[00:30:23]  He's just going to include it in some other part of some bullet.
[00:30:26]  He's going to say, no, they're doing it publicly to get rid of Bath to make you forget that they're actually putting the CIA people in there.
[00:30:32]  It's unfortunate.
[00:30:33]  I want him deflated.
[00:30:35]  This is wild.
[00:30:36]  I mean, we're on May 12th here, and I just looked this up.
[00:30:38]  And the first Coalition Provisional Authority announcement that started the process of debathification is the 16th.
[00:30:49]  So we're four days away from this as we look at Alex's absolutely wild.
[00:30:55]  Yeah.
[00:30:56]  So I guess we'll, you know, in a pretty soon episode, we'll find out how he pivots.
[00:31:02]  I don't know.
[00:31:03]  I don't know.
[00:31:03]  I'm a little bit older than you.
[00:31:05]  And so in 2003, I was an adult.

=== Freedom Fries Follies (02:24) ===

[00:31:08]  Yeah, I was not yet.
[00:31:09]  I was a dignified.
[00:31:10]  No, I was not.
[00:31:10]  No, you were not.
[00:31:11]  But I remember the conversation about Freedom Fries.
[00:31:14]  Yes.
[00:31:15]  Oh, I won't forget that one.
[00:31:16]  And Freedom Toast.
[00:31:18]  Yep.
[00:31:19]  I wasn't even an adult yet, and I knew that was fucking stupid.
[00:31:22]  People, Particularly, two members who are Republicans in the House got mad about French fries and French toast being served in the cafeteria because, of course, France had not agreed to join in with the invasion of Iraq, and they were cowards.
[00:31:42]  Yeah, it's never not going to be surprising that we are governed by children.
[00:31:47]  Yeah.
[00:31:47]  Yeah.
[00:31:48]  To Alex's credit, he also thinks that that whole Freedom Fry thing was stupid.
[00:31:52]  Good for him.
[00:31:53]  Although.
[00:31:54]  Uh-oh.
[00:31:55]  Mexico opposed the war.
[00:31:57]  Well, why aren't you mad at them if you're mad at France?
[00:32:00]  Oh, there's three million Muslims, by the way, in it.
[00:32:03]  You know why they said no?
[00:32:04]  They'd get attacked if they didn't by their internal population.
[00:32:09]  It's just reached new levels of ridiculousness.
[00:32:12]  Jeremy in Indiana, you're on the air.
[00:32:14]  Thanks for holding.
[00:32:14]  Go ahead.
[00:32:15]  That's not great.
[00:32:16]  That's not cool.
[00:32:17]  I didn't even know there could be a racist reason for that being stupid.
[00:32:22]  Yeah.
[00:32:24]  It's stupid because it doesn't mean anything.
[00:32:28]  It doesn't mean anything.
[00:32:29]  It's a Belgian waffle, even if Belgium doesn't appreciate what you're doing.
[00:32:33]  It doesn't matter.
[00:32:34]  It's stupid on its face because it doesn't mean anything.
[00:32:37]  It's an empty, meaningless, pointless gesture.
[00:32:40]  It's not somehow the cause of racism.
[00:32:44]  Or you said, like, how is that possible?
[00:32:47]  All things considered, I think I would rather deal with freedom fries and freedom toast than someone like Alex who's perpetuating the idea that France made this geopolitical decision to not get involved in the Iraq war at that point because they were afraid of Muslim French people attacking from within.
[00:33:08]  That's deeply Islamophobic and terrifying.
[00:33:13]  And it's at a point in his career when he has the presentation of not being anti-Muslim.

=== Emergency Exercise Stress Test (08:03) ===

[00:33:22]  He's certainly not as aggressively anti-Muslim as he is in the present.
[00:33:27]  But it seems like those latent things are there very clearly.
[00:33:31]  Definitely.
[00:33:32]  That's the level of shit where you're like, there's just no way you won't take it back to racism.
[00:33:36]  Just like, you know, I think I need a new coffee maker.
[00:33:41]  Well, that's because of, I don't want to know why, but it's because of, I just, it's because my other one broke.
[00:33:45]  There's no other, there's no other reason.
[00:33:48]  The other one just broke.
[00:33:49]  There's no people behind it.
[00:33:50]  Are you sure it's not the Turks?
[00:33:51]  No, damn it.
[00:33:52]  They're really involved in coffee.
[00:33:54]  There's no reason to be racist about this.
[00:33:57]  So one thing that I wish that I had musical ability because if I did, long ago, I would have made a bumper kind of sting sound for the Alex telling a story that totally happened.
[00:34:12]  Sure, sure.
[00:34:12]  Totally happened.
[00:34:15]  Because we get them all over the place.
[00:34:16]  Throughout his career, at any point, you're going to hear stories that definitely happened.
[00:34:21]  All right.
[00:34:21]  Cue me right before you play the clip.
[00:34:23]  All right, right now.
[00:34:24]  Alex's true story.
[00:34:27]  You know, I have state police majors walk up to me.
[00:34:32]  I walk into the cleaners.
[00:34:34]  I randomly pull in to get my laundry.
[00:34:36]  Oh, I put it in two weeks ago.
[00:34:38]  You saw what I'm saying is it wasn't some stage deal where the major in the state police was waiting to talk to me.
[00:34:46]  I'm driving back from the studio a couple months ago decided to pull in to get my laundry just randomly.
[00:34:54]  And there's a state police officer in there getting his uniforms.
[00:34:57]  He goes, Mr. Jones, can you come outside, please?
[00:35:00]  He goes, we were raised that this was the Soviet Union.
[00:35:04]  We know something's wrong.
[00:35:05]  The things we're being told are incredible.
[00:35:08]  And I go, how many of you are awake?
[00:35:09]  And he goes, most of the senior officers know something is wrong, Mr. Jones.
[00:35:13]  DPS intelligence is fully aware of what's happening.
[00:35:16]  And he goes, we know this isn't a conservative administration.
[00:35:20]  I mean, you know, cops come up to me at the mall.
[00:35:23]  They're doing security and tell me they know what's happening with a tear in their eyes.
[00:35:27]  These cops Alex's true story.
[00:35:31]  They come up to me at the mall crying, telling me, Bush isn't conservative.
[00:35:37]  Alex Jones, please free us from the Soviet Union we were raised in.
[00:35:42]  I saw your eyes get a little confused when he was talking about his laundry, and I was a little bit confused as well, but I realized that maybe he's talking about like dry cleaning.
[00:35:51]  Yeah, I was assuming dry cleaning.
[00:35:52]  Yeah, yeah, I was totally assuming that it's weird to drop off laundry.
[00:35:56]  It's a strange random thing to do.
[00:35:59]  The time frame is really what was worrying to me.
[00:36:02]  That's true.
[00:36:02]  So, yeah, this didn't happen.
[00:36:04]  So, Alex takes a call at this point in the show, and this was interesting.
[00:36:10]  This introduces a large theme that will run throughout the next couple days.
[00:36:15]  One more thing, if you don't mind, sure.
[00:36:17]  These drills today that they're going to be doing in about 15 minutes, I guess.
[00:36:21]  Yeah, the fake radiation attack in Seattle, stuff in Chicago, all training you to be a federal slave.
[00:36:29]  These are supposed to take place for five days and raise the alert level, I'm told.
[00:36:35]  Well, yes, now during the drills, they're going to raise the alert level.
[00:36:37]  Amber alert will be flashing.
[00:36:39]  Report gun owners, report terrorists.
[00:36:41]  Yes, and is this going to continue on for five days?
[00:36:44]  And are they going to treat us?
[00:36:45]  Are they going to basically put us under martial law for this?
[00:36:48]  That's what this is.
[00:36:48]  Yes, this is a practice drill for martial law.
[00:36:51]  When we get back, I will read you the article.
[00:36:54]  This is a bad answer on Alex's part, but I kind of see what he meant.
[00:36:58]  Alex meant that this drill was a part of preparing the public for martial law, but what the caller was asking was whether or not the drill would continue past day five into day six and day seven and so on.
[00:37:08]  Would the drill be how martial law literally started?
[00:37:11]  That was the question that was being asked.
[00:37:13]  Sure.
[00:37:13]  By replying in the affirmative, Alex was essentially telling this guy that this drill was the beginning of enslavement, which is really bad.
[00:37:19]  It's hard for me to imagine that Alex misunderstood the question, except in the case that he wasn't listening at all, which is totally possible.
[00:37:26]  Most likely.
[00:37:27]  So I found the after-action report for this drill released by the Washington State Department of Health.
[00:37:33]  This drill was called Top Off 2, and it was meant to simulate a WMD attack simultaneously hitting multiple cities.
[00:37:39]  It began with a bioterrorist attack in Chicago and a dirty bomb going off in Seattle.
[00:37:44]  In addition to these challenges, quote, a cyber event affecting the state's communication infrastructure hit the week before.
[00:37:51]  To further complicate the situation, a hostile takeover of the Washington State Ferry and a hostage event in Pierce County, south of Seattle, were included.
[00:37:59]  That probably seems like overkill, but that's the point.
[00:38:03]  As the report explicitly says, quote, in all, the event was meant to overwhelm local, state, and federal agencies with the goal of finding ways to improve preparedness, response, and recovery capabilities in the future.
[00:38:14]  The goal was to create a fake situation that was too much to handle, so you can stress test in a fake situation instead of a real one.
[00:38:20]  This bucket's not done.
[00:38:22]  We're going to fill it full of water to find out where the fucking holes are.
[00:38:24]  Yep.
[00:38:25]  Yeah.
[00:38:25]  This simulation taught the Washington State Department of Health a bunch of important lessons.
[00:38:29]  For instance, they learned that their radiological monitoring and assessment center had no reason to be on site since it, quote, became mired in the response organization, which limited its ability to fully perform its work in off-site areas.
[00:38:42]  That's a pretty important lesson, but probably less critical than them learning that the infrastructure they had in place to transmit bulk data was insufficient to handle the needs they faced in an emergency.
[00:38:52]  Maps and data tables that were critical to get to decision makers were not effectively transmitted given their existing setup, which is a huge issue that they were able to identify from this.
[00:39:02]  It turns out, turns out using the Pony Express is not going to do it.
[00:39:08]  Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize.
[00:39:10]  Another thing that's important to understand is that this is just the after-action report for the Washington State Department of Health.
[00:39:16]  They didn't run the simulation.
[00:39:18]  They were just one of the groups participating in it.
[00:39:21]  Each entity that took play part, they played different roles in the simulation, and they faced different challenges.
[00:39:27]  And each came away with their own lessons, their own gaps in planning that they could resolve.
[00:39:33]  I found the after-action summary for the entire exercise from the Department of Homeland Security, and the Washington Department of Health is just one of 47 state or local agencies that took part in the drill, along with 41 federal agencies and 21 agencies from Canada that got involved because that bioattack that hit Chicago, it ended up spreading to Canada.
[00:39:50]  Oh, god damn it, Canada.
[00:39:52]  Yeah, I was reading over this summary, and there's an amazing piece on page eight where the exercise ended up teaching everyone who participated about the actual definitions that are in the Stafford Act, which covers how federal assistance is deployed to states in an emergency.
[00:40:08]  They found.
[00:40:09]  I know we were supposed to read it before.
[00:40:11]  I know.
[00:40:12]  No, they had read it, but it clarified a definition because they hadn't role-played this thing out.
[00:40:16]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:40:17]  They found that as it was written, a terrorist bioattack, quote, does not clearly fit the existing definition of a disaster by the act.
[00:40:25]  This made it so the president couldn't issue a declaration of a disaster in the drill, but instead, the secretary of HHS could only declare a public health emergency.
[00:40:33]  They didn't realize this beforehand.
[00:40:36]  From the report, quote, these two declarations illustrated some of the subtleties of the Stafford Act that may not have been fully appreciated before the exercise.
[00:40:44]  Sure, sure.
[00:40:45]  There's a ton of value to organizations preparing like this, using fake disasters to learn how to respond better to real disasters.
[00:40:53]  This exercise was followed by Top Off 3, which took place in 2005 and expanded to fully include exercises being run by the Canadian and UK governments in collaboration.

=== Role-Playing Simulations (02:59) ===

[00:41:04]  In that scenario, they came up with 15 scary terrorist ideas and chose three to simulate.
[00:41:09]  There was a terrorist release of a mnemonic plague in New Jersey, a mustard gas IED attack in Connecticut, and then the events in the UK and Canada, which this report doesn't specify.
[00:41:19]  And it really pissed me off because I want to know what games they're doing.
[00:41:22]  Yeah, I want to figure it out.
[00:41:23]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:41:25]  This was followed by Top Off 4 in 2010.
[00:41:28]  And as of yet, this series of scenario planning exercises has not resulted in martial law.
[00:41:32]  You would think that if Alex's whole thing about how the globalists use these exercises to launch their evil plans or something had any merit, one of these would have resulted in something more nefarious than government employees learning things.
[00:41:44]  Yeah.
[00:41:47]  And honestly, I love reading these reports because it's like, this would be my best day at work.
[00:41:54]  Yeah, that would be good.
[00:41:55]  If I worked in these areas, like it would be so much fun.
[00:41:58]  Oh, totally.
[00:42:00]  It's the day at school where they're like, okay, today we're going to play Heads Up 7Up.
[00:42:04]  You're like, yes, that's my favorite day in school.
[00:42:06]  Yeah, totally.
[00:42:07]  Or there was this thing called CASA in Missouri, in Columbia.
[00:42:12]  It was the Columbia Aeronautic and Space Association.
[00:42:14]  Okay.
[00:42:14]  And so what they would do is they would have students come and we would simulate running spacecraft.
[00:42:20]  Oh, that's cool as shit.
[00:42:22]  Yeah.
[00:42:22]  And so one of the stations was, man, my memories of this are a little bit spotty.
[00:42:28]  But one of the stations was made to look like the actual shuttle.
[00:42:31]  And so you're in there and you'd have some responsibilities.
[00:42:34]  Yeah.
[00:42:34]  Another one was command, command center.
[00:42:37]  And so you were like.
[00:42:38]  You're Kobayashi Maruing it.
[00:42:40]  Sure.
[00:42:40]  Yeah.
[00:42:41]  And I remember that being that's a day that sticks out to me in my head from like my entire elementary school career because of just the excitement of going and like role-playing the scenario of like trying to make sure we were able to communicate between the two.
[00:42:58]  And they, you know, obviously would throw some curveballs, like something's gone wrong.
[00:43:01]  Yeah, of course.
[00:43:02]  You've got to fix something.
[00:43:03]  Yeah, it's exciting.
[00:43:04]  It's so much fun.
[00:43:05]  Yeah, we had a, we had a small, like, six-foot-tall, inflatable planetarium.
[00:43:12]  You could see the stars.
[00:43:13]  Not quite as fun.
[00:43:15]  Not, no, no, it wasn't.
[00:43:19]  So I don't know.
[00:43:21]  I got really into this, and I got furious that the Canadian and UK scenarios wanted to be a little bit more.
[00:43:27]  Yeah, that sounds pretty document because I was like, I want to know what they were facing.
[00:43:32]  I kind of want to see if we can orchestrate like a giant national role-playing game where we just play the exact same thing, but we're people inside of the simulations, and we have to act like we're all dying.
[00:43:46]  One thing that I found that I actually kind of took a little bit of issue with was that prior to this, there was an exercise, the original top-off exercise.

=== Strange Caller Claims (15:20) ===

[00:43:54]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:43:55]  And that one was unannounced, and so people didn't know it was happening.
[00:44:00]  And I would say they've learned a lot of lessons from top-off over the years.
[00:44:04]  The other ones were announced ahead of time.
[00:44:06]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:44:07]  And I don't know why they would do it unannounced.
[00:44:10]  Like, I mean, everyone who was participating knew.
[00:44:12]  Yeah, but I mean, that happened with the fucking United States Army in Russia during the Cold War.
[00:44:17]  They were like, let's simulate bombing Russia and let's not tell Russia about it.
[00:44:22]  You know, there's some people.
[00:44:23]  It seems like not a wise.
[00:44:27]  It seems like a possibility for trouble.
[00:44:29]  Yeah.
[00:44:31]  Anyway, Alex gets another caller, and this guy brings up a question about 9-11.
[00:44:36]  And I found this to be troubling.
[00:44:39]  Well, you know, there's one question about the 9-11.
[00:44:42]  So I just got your DVD last Friday.
[00:44:44]  I've only gone through it slowly.
[00:44:46]  I'm in Oklahoma, Park.
[00:44:47]  But let me ask you.
[00:44:50]  You say over and over again, Al-Qaeda is a CAA-type of trained people, correct?
[00:44:55]  Yes.
[00:44:56]  These type of people don't commit suicide.
[00:44:58]  Well, let me explain.
[00:44:59]  You know what?
[00:45:00]  We believe all the evidence says those people aren't even on those aircraft.
[00:45:04]  You know, most of the hijackers have been found alive.
[00:45:06]  Stay there.
[00:45:06]  We'll talk about it.
[00:45:07]  A what now?
[00:45:10]  This is a great indicator of how seriously Alex takes research into what's supposed to be his primary field of study, the truth about 9-11.
[00:45:17]  It's a regular talking point in the 9-11 conspiracy communities that some of the accused hijackers have been found alive.
[00:45:23]  But anyone who's looked into this with any depth at all could tell you that this is a simple case of mistaken identity and the investigative process being judged in the middle as opposed to at its conclusion.
[00:45:33]  One of the men listed as a suspected hijacker was Walid al-Shahiri, who is, and just after the FBI released a photo of him, made a pretty big effort to stress that they had the wrong guy.
[00:45:44]  He is a pilot in Saudi Arabia and had done flight training at the same school in Daytona Beach that the other 9-11 hijackers had, but he was definitely alive.
[00:45:52]  Sure, living in Morocco.
[00:45:54]  Hi, I did not fly that plane on account of I am here.
[00:45:58]  So what happened here?
[00:45:59]  This was a simple case of mistaken identity.
[00:46:01]  One of the Flight 11 hijackers was named Walid Mohammed Al-Shahiri.
[00:46:06]  As the man who was alive protested his innocence, the BBC made an error in their initial coverage, reporting that a man listed as one of the hijackers was actually alive, which, while technically accurate, gave a different impression from what was actually going on.
[00:46:20]  If you just live and die by headlines and never look any deeper into things, you could easily think that the person the FBI claimed was on Flight 11 was actually alive, but you would be wrong.
[00:46:29]  This is a super easy thread to untangle if you want to know what happened.
[00:46:32]  And certainly all of this information was fully available in 2003.
[00:46:36]  Sure.
[00:46:37]  There are a couple other people who were named as hijackers who initial reports claimed were alive, who actually were alive, like Abdulaziz Al Omari and Salim al-Hazimi.
[00:46:48]  These two men had something very specific in common, which is that at some point in the not-too-distant past, they had their passports stolen.
[00:46:55]  Al-Hazmi by a pickpocket in Cairo and Al-Omari in a burglary when he was living in Denver.
[00:47:01]  Sure, sure.
[00:47:02]  Each of the instances Alex has of supposed anomalies like this are actually instances of bad, miscommunicated information that he never followed up on.
[00:47:11]  Unlike Alex, reporters for Derspiegel actually did look into some of these coincidences to see what happened.
[00:47:17]  They reached out to John Bradley, the managing editor of Arab News, where much of the initial reporting originated, who told them, quote, all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack.
[00:47:29]  What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names.
[00:47:32]  He also made it clear that these articles were being written after September 14th, when the FBI had only released a list of names of suspected hijackers.
[00:47:41]  There's one area where Alex really needs to be sure he's covering his bases.
[00:47:45]  It should be 9-11 Conspiracies.
[00:47:47]  But you can see here how sloppy his work is, even on this trademark subject.
[00:47:51]  Even in 2003, even about 9-11, he can't go deeper than headlines.
[00:47:56]  Yeah.
[00:47:57]  Yeah, I can't imagine the terrible day you would have if your passport had been stolen and then you woke up the next day and it was flying into a plane.
[00:48:10]  That would be a real bummer of a day for you.
[00:48:14]  Yeah.
[00:48:15]  That man, oh boy.
[00:48:18]  Yeah, and so there's this, there's like a combination of a number of different reasons for these mistaken identities.
[00:48:24]  There's some that's like identity theft, or at least very strongly suspected identity theft.
[00:48:29]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:48:29]  And then some of it is this other element, this misreported similar names or the same names.
[00:48:36]  There's a lot of people in the world.
[00:48:37]  Right.
[00:48:38]  Some of them have the same names.
[00:48:39]  Right.
[00:48:40]  I don't.
[00:48:40]  And that period of time between when the FBI released names and when they released photos, there was a great deal of confusion and sort of the fog of unclarity.
[00:48:50]  As we see after every great disaster.
[00:48:54]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:55]  So Alex takes another call, and this one does not go well at all.
[00:49:00]  I have one more question.
[00:49:01]  I'm sorry that it takes a long time.
[00:49:02]  Are you aware of a guy by the name of William Cooper?
[00:49:04]  Of course I am.
[00:49:05]  Okay.
[00:49:06]  I stole my career from him.
[00:49:07]  There's something on his website, and he has all his recordings from way back.
[00:49:13]  Yeah, I know.
[00:49:14]  But he has one thing about you being.
[00:49:18]  I understand, sir.
[00:49:18]  That's a diversion.
[00:49:20]  Total diversion.
[00:49:21]  I appreciate your call.
[00:49:23]  You know, frankly, my show is not about, and most other shows are, and that's why we never get anywhere.
[00:49:29]  My show is not about what this talk show host says or what that talk show host says in the Patriot movement.
[00:49:37]  I'm sorry.
[00:49:38]  My show is not the gossip column.
[00:49:39]  Even before it descended to the trash that it is now, like even in 2009, he spent all his time yelling about Glenn Beck.
[00:49:46]  Oh, man.
[00:49:47]  So, yeah, I mean, like, he quickly became the gossip column.
[00:49:50]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:50]  Well, a lot of people, as he stated, a lot of people really like to listen to the gossip shows.
[00:49:54]  It's true.
[00:49:55]  It's true.
[00:49:55]  So he was looking more for that.
[00:49:57]  So this caller has made Alex introspective, and he decides, well, the name William Cooper has been evoked on my show.
[00:50:06]  I'd better lie about it.
[00:50:07]  Okay.
[00:50:08]  William Cooper became unstable in the last years of his life before he was gunned down by a SWAT team in his Arizona home.
[00:50:15]  I called the guy up when he was in trouble with the IRS calling for help and said, I'd like to interview you.
[00:50:20]  And he began cussing and yelling and saying, only I have the answers.
[00:50:25]  Well, I want to just tell folks, I never got into UFOs and stuff you can't prove.
[00:50:29]  Cooper did.
[00:50:30]  And I don't know what Cooper's problem was, and I'm sad he's dead.
[00:50:32]  I'm not going to sit here and talk about somebody who's dead.
[00:50:35]  Here's the issue.
[00:50:36]  Alex is totally right that Bill Cooper was incredibly unstable and was a nut.
[00:50:42]  He's lying about the appearance on the show, though.
[00:50:44]  We did an entire episode.
[00:50:45]  Oh, I thought he was lying about how long William Cooper had been unstable for.
[00:50:49]  Oh, yeah, probably a bit longer.
[00:50:51]  The last few years of his life.
[00:50:53]  Oh, boy.
[00:50:53]  It was a lot longer than that.
[00:50:54]  I think he did get much worse, though.
[00:50:56]  Yeah, I believe that.
[00:50:58]  Yeah, we did an episode that covered Bill Cooper's appearance on Alex's show, and it does not match up at all with the way that Alex presents it.
[00:51:06]  Nope.
[00:51:07]  Alex was an asshole to him, if anything.
[00:51:09]  Yep, 100%.
[00:51:11]  Pretty rich for a guy to criticize somebody getting into aliens later on in life and then later on in life telling me that interdimensional beings are controlling the globalists.
[00:51:22]  I mean, he says stuff that's even more ironic.
[00:51:25]  So, see, what I do on this show is I don't talk about the visions that some prophet has in the desert who said the nukes are going to go off next year.
[00:51:35]  And I don't talk about Planet X.
[00:51:37]  And I don't talk about flying saucers.
[00:51:40]  And I don't talk about psychics.
[00:51:42]  And I don't talk about other talk show hosts, unless there's some national host like Sean Hannity saying every child should take a microchip.
[00:51:48]  I have a video of County Combs.
[00:51:51]  Or if it's Savage saying, put anyone who disagrees with the government in the forced labor camp.
[00:51:56]  I occasionally break my rule for that.
[00:51:59]  But I don't talk about rumors and trash.
[00:52:04]  I don't talk about psychics.
[00:52:05]  And then in the future, I'm a psychic.
[00:52:09]  I'm a psychic.
[00:52:10]  Come on now.
[00:52:10]  I don't talk about visions.
[00:52:12]  I have visions all the time.
[00:52:14]  Actually, the universe was revealed to me.
[00:52:17]  And my prediction of 9-11 was actually based on a vision.
[00:52:20]  I have dreams that are prophetic.
[00:52:22]  Yeah.
[00:52:22]  And a lot of the time they happen whenever I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:52:26]  What a dick.
[00:52:27]  What an asshole.
[00:52:28]  So, Alex takes another call, and this person brings up prison labor.
[00:52:32]  Sure.
[00:52:34]  This is bizarre because I think that Alex's opposition to prison labor might not come from the same place that yours or mine might.
[00:52:42]  Yeah, I would say slave labor is bad, and I somehow feel like Alex would disagree with me on that point.
[00:52:49]  I think he agrees, but the reason why is where we get into a little bit of a I saw him on a colloquy with Mark Sauter Thursday a week ago concerning the prison industries and how they're putting our small businesses out of business.
[00:53:06]  So our people are not out of it.
[00:53:07]  A lot of good old boys, Jones, say, hey, make them prisoners work.
[00:53:11]  The problem is most of the industry is now privatized.
[00:53:14]  It is an industry.
[00:53:15]  They're working for an average of 23 cents an hour competing against your jobs from the lumber to electronics to furniture to uniforms for our military.
[00:53:27]  Customer service, everything.
[00:53:29]  It's taking our jobs.
[00:53:30]  It's slave camps.
[00:53:31]  Seven and a half million people in the system now.
[00:53:34]  I think the opposition to prison labor shouldn't be it's putting other people out of business.
[00:53:41]  Yeah, I would say that Alex is now a union man in about 1845 saying that slavery is great, but you're competing with our wages.
[00:53:51]  Yeah, because it does imply that this kind of thing would be okay were it not to jeopardize the success of other businesses.
[00:54:02]  Yeah, and I think the way to put it on an equal playing field is if they're competing with your business where you pay people, say, $9 an hour, what you should do is convert them into slaves for you, and then everybody's on an equal playing field.
[00:54:20]  That's Alex's solution, I think.
[00:54:22]  I'm not sure if that is his solution.
[00:54:23]  I think that's what he said.
[00:54:24]  But I find this to be an unthought-through position.
[00:54:30]  Or at least a psychopathic, self-involved and beneficial solution.
[00:54:36]  If that is where his opposition to prison labor and the system that is in place, if that is where it derives from, it's shallow.
[00:54:46]  It has nothing to do with the act of making people in prison work for very low wages.
[00:54:54]  Sure.
[00:54:55]  Just not in industries that compete with American businesses, Dan.
[00:54:59]  I don't like this.
[00:55:01]  Well, what makes you not like that?
[00:55:02]  Anyway, so this caller has heard about a bill.
[00:55:06]  Maybe, possibly.
[00:55:07]  Doesn't remember the bill, but it did something.
[00:55:09]  Something.
[00:55:09]  And maybe it has to do with prison labor.
[00:55:11]  Could be.
[00:55:12]  Well, I just wanted to give you the number of H.R. 1829.
[00:55:19]  What does that bill do?
[00:55:20]  Well, you know, to tell you the truth, I was away from my 50th class reunion.
[00:55:25]  I didn't take notes, but Sauter and the other fellow, Mark Sauter.
[00:55:32]  Okay, what are they trying to build in?
[00:55:35]  They were trying to restrict it in some way.
[00:55:38]  So it's a billion prison industry.
[00:55:40]  They admitted, oh, they're not for it.
[00:55:42]  They're against it.
[00:55:43]  Okay.
[00:55:44]  And plus, they said that they're already the government, or the government is already building new plants, new buildings for expansion of the plant.
[00:55:54]  Yeah, I mean, what did camps do in Germany?
[00:55:56]  You had a bunch of prisoners next door to a plant.
[00:55:59]  Right.
[00:56:00]  It's incredible.
[00:56:01]  Joan, I appreciate the call.
[00:56:02]  So that caller had sort of heard something about a bill, but didn't know what it did or really anything about it.
[00:56:08]  But someone she'd heard talk about it kind of was maybe into it or maybe not.
[00:56:13]  I don't know what was going on there.
[00:56:14]  No, I appreciate anybody calling into a political talk show describing their political views very similarly to how my grandma would describe the movie that she just saw a couple of days ago.
[00:56:26]  It was the one with the, and there were the people in it.
[00:56:30]  What's the opposite of informative?
[00:56:32]  Because that's what that was.
[00:56:33]  Deformative?
[00:56:34]  Maybe.
[00:56:35]  So H.R. 1829 in the 108th Congress was also known as the Federal Prison Industries Competition and Contracting Act of 2003.
[00:56:44]  Here's what that was about.
[00:56:45]  There's a government-owned corporation called Federal Prison Industries, which is used to produce goods using the labor of incarcerated persons.
[00:56:53]  I'll read to you here from the CGO cost assessment of implementing this bill.
[00:56:58]  Quote, under current law, federal agencies are required to purchase products from FPI if products are available to meet the agency's needs and the costs would not exceed current market prices.
[00:57:09]  Such products include office furniture, textiles, vehicle tags, and fiber optics.
[00:57:14]  Under the proposed legislation, this requirement would be reduced over the next several years, and the share of the federal market that FPI holds for the products and services it provides would be limited to 20% and 5%, respectively.
[00:57:26]  If you understand that text properly, what this bill would have done is actively reduce the government use of products created with prison labor.
[00:57:34]  The bill aimed to divert some of this productive capacity towards making goods that would be donated to nonprofit organizations instead of being sold to the government, which honestly still sucks.
[00:57:43]  Additionally, there were provisions for funding of vocational training for incarcerated persons and funding for programs to test rehabilitative activities that could be productive towards helping.
[00:57:54]  This caller has no idea what this bill is, and she's telling Alex about it as if it's something that expands the prison system when in actuality it was designed to limit the profits that are derived from prison labor and funneled a fair amount of money towards efforts to help people improve their lives while incarcerated.
[00:58:10]  In the House, it's completely bizarre to see how split the vote on this was and not on party lines.
[00:58:17]  It got yay votes from Steve King, Nancy Pelosi, and Mike Pence.
[00:58:22]  Well, they all love slave labor.
[00:58:23]  But it got nay votes from Maxine Waters and Walter No French Fries in My Cafeteria Jones.
[00:58:31]  He was one of the guys who did the Freedom Fries thing.
[00:58:33]  I am really struggling with the idea that somebody wrote into a bill.
[00:58:41]  Look, before we've used 100% slave labor for our stuff, but now we want our slaves to make things to give to non-profit organizations.

=== Brady Bill Negotiations (08:32) ===

[00:58:55]  Not 100%, but I get what you're saying.
[00:58:59]  Like, can you write that down and think of that as a note?
[00:59:05]  It's terrifying psychopathy.
[00:59:08]  Yeah, it's weird.
[00:59:10]  That's wild.
[00:59:10]  What do you think Ron Paul voted?
[00:59:13]  I'm going to go with Ron Paul voted.
[00:59:16]  Wait, this would have restricted the amount that the government could have bought from their slaves, right?
[00:59:22]  Yeah.
[00:59:22]  Okay, so I'm going to go with Ron voted for it.
[00:59:26]  Because he abstained from voting for it.
[00:59:27]  Oh, God.
[00:59:28]  That's because it screwed with his brain.
[00:59:30]  He has to hate whatever Nancy Pelosi likes, but he also wants private businesses to.
[00:59:37]  In the time of polarization that we're in now in the present day, it is really weird to look at this and see it being pretty mixed in terms of parties on each side.
[00:59:51]  The bill ended up passing the House 350 to 65, but it died immediately upon being received by the Senate, and no action was taken on it.
[00:59:58]  Cool.
[00:59:59]  Good work, government.
[01:00:01]  Way to do your jobs.
[01:00:04]  So Alex ends up talking to this guy named Colonel Craig Roberts.
[01:00:10]  And he's not the same person as Paul Craig Roberts, who's a weirdo and a guy who wrote for V-Dare.
[01:00:17]  This dude is super into conspiracies, like JFK.
[01:00:20]  Sure.
[01:00:20]  He loves Oklahoma City.
[01:00:22]  Sure.
[01:00:22]  And the Finders.
[01:00:23]  Gotta love the Founders.
[01:00:24]  Big into the Finders.
[01:00:25]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:00:26]  So they're talking about some child rings and stuff back in 2003.
[01:00:31]  Okay.
[01:00:31]  Alex isn't super into it, and it's not all that lascivious.
[01:00:35]  Good.
[01:00:36]  And he doesn't bring up Epstein.
[01:00:37]  So that's interesting.
[01:00:38]  So he didn't know about Epstein.
[01:00:40]  He might have.
[01:00:41]  It's not proof that he doesn't.
[01:00:42]  True.
[01:00:43]  But it's not something that comes up immediately.
[01:00:46]  Although Alex does say this in their interview, it's like, oh, come on.
[01:00:52]  Governments always get corrupt individuals in control of them.
[01:00:55]  They always seek to maintain control and expand that control.
[01:00:58]  They always flip out and get on power trips and start exterminating their populations for no reason other than the fact that they serve their father.
[01:01:06]  We know who that is.
[01:01:08]  God damn it.
[01:01:10]  Infuriating.
[01:01:11]  Okay.
[01:01:13]  Still could be a metaphor.
[01:01:15]  It's very unsatisfying.
[01:01:17]  That's dark.
[01:01:18]  How dare he say that?
[01:01:20]  Stop tippy-toeing around it and dip your balls into Jesus, okay?
[01:01:24]  Let's go.
[01:01:25]  Well, he still talks about Jesus from time to time.
[01:01:28]  I'm less interested in him being religious, which does exist.
[01:01:32]  Certainly not as extremist and overt as it is in the present.
[01:01:37]  Sure, sure.
[01:01:38]  But I'm not interested in that.
[01:01:41]  I'm interested in specifically the literalness of waging war against the devil.
[01:01:48]  That like turning into a televangelist type deal.
[01:01:51]  Yes.
[01:01:51]  Where everything we're doing is a fight against the literal Christian devil.
[01:01:56]  So Craig Roberts and Alex have a conversation that hits on a number of kind of like, I don't care, kind of conspiracy topics.
[01:02:06]  Sure.
[01:02:07]  And it's, you know, it hits a lot of bases that we've hit before.
[01:02:11]  And I'm not so much interested in a lot of that minutiae because of stuff like this.
[01:02:17]  Once they put laws into effect, they can say, well, this law is going to sunset a certain time.
[01:02:22]  Well, a Brady law sunset it didn't go away.
[01:02:25]  You know, the assault weapons ban sunset.
[01:02:27]  Patriot Act 1 sunset it, but now they're saying they're getting rid of that sunset.
[01:02:31]  These dudes are being super dishonest about the subject they're covering here.
[01:02:35]  For one thing, this episode is in 2003, over a year before the federal assault weapons ban is set to hit its sunset date.
[01:02:43]  Alex is saying that the banned sunset provision had just been ignored, which is a lie.
[01:02:47]  And even if he was just saying that they were going to ignore the sunset provision in the future, he would be wrong.
[01:02:52]  The Patriot Act was not subject to a complete sunset clause, but various sections of the bill were.
[01:02:58]  However, the sunset date for that bill was December 31st, 2005, more than two years in the future from the point that Alex is speaking here.
[01:03:05]  In terms of this one, it's a little bit more of a complicated picture.
[01:03:09]  I'm not in favor of the Patriot Act, but I don't think that attacking it from the standpoint of sunset clauses is a particularly effective approach.
[01:03:16]  There have been multiple bills over the years that re-examined and reauthorized various provisions and amended some of them as well.
[01:03:22]  This is a common aspect of bills that have sunset clauses.
[01:03:25]  You know, it's not like they have a self-destruct clause.
[01:03:27]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:28]  The idea is to set a date in the future to reassess whether or not the particular bill is worth continuing.
[01:03:33]  You can take issue with the decision to reauthorize the Patriot Act, but pretending that reauthorizing it is somehow cheating, that's a silly argument.
[01:03:40]  Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
[01:03:41]  Both of these examples that Alex uses to make his point that the bills that they have these sunset clauses, they just never go away, they're bills that haven't reached their sunset dates yet.
[01:03:51]  He's just making this shit up.
[01:03:52]  Yeah.
[01:03:53]  Now, the case of the Brady bill is actually a little bit more interesting.
[01:03:57]  The bill was first introduced in 1987 and was constantly a non-starter.
[01:04:01]  The Reagan administration didn't appear all that interested in it, and Congress had a lot of trouble with getting it to a floor vote, so they would tend to attempt to attach it to larger crime bills, which ended up being a losing strategy.
[01:04:13]  All this changed when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 and voiced support for the Brady bill and indicated that he was willing to sign it if it was passed.
[01:04:22]  This changed the landscape, and the bill made its way through Congress.
[01:04:26]  Part of the negotiation to get the bill through Congress had to do with the mandatory waiting periods the bill put in place for gun purchases.
[01:04:33]  With the technology available at the time, it could take a while to run a background check, so a five-day period was included in the bill.
[01:04:39]  However, gun proponents wanted to strike a deal.
[01:04:42]  Their long-standing argument was that a provision should exist that this waiting period would be made null and void once the technology existed for an instant check system.
[01:04:51]  This made some sense, given that the waiting period was largely predicated on the technological inability to do the checks quicker.
[01:04:58]  Instead of this compromise, what was decided was that the waiting period provision of the bill would have a sunset clause that would kick in in five years whether or not there was an instant check system that worked.
[01:05:08]  This satisfied both sides, and the bill passed the House and Senate in November 1993.
[01:05:13]  The Brady bill itself didn't have a sunset clause.
[01:05:16]  This provision of it did.
[01:05:18]  The larger bill was permanent and put in place requirements for background checks for gun sales made by federally licensed gun sellers.
[01:05:25]  In 1998, the NICS system was developed, and that kind of made this whole question moot.
[01:05:30]  The Sunset Clause came and went, and now there is no federal waiting period required for purchasing a gun.
[01:05:35]  Each state has the right to make their own rules on that, and according to a recent article from ABC News, 10 states and the District of Columbia have waiting periods, whereas most states do not.
[01:05:45]  Alex and Craig Roberts are covering the subject from a completely dishonest perspective.
[01:05:49]  Alex is just making stuff up, and Craig is pretending that the entire Brady bill was set to sunset, when in fact it was just this specific provision, which did in fact go away.
[01:05:58]  I understand that they're staunch opponents of any kind of gun regulation, but covering the material this inaccurately feels like it's a disservice to sincere people who care about gun rights, and it leads me not to take the stuff that they're saying all that seriously about any other issues.
[01:06:12]  Yeah, that's frustrating.
[01:06:14]  That's very frustrating.
[01:06:15]  I don't like it.
[01:06:16]  I don't like it.
[01:06:17]  Also, I don't like that the waiting period expired.
[01:06:20]  I think that's stupid.
[01:06:21]  At the very least, at the very least, here's what we should have: no bad days waiting period.
[01:06:27]  You can't have a bad day and then go buy a gun.
[01:06:30]  You gotta wait at least until your bad day is over.
[01:06:33]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:06:34]  Yeah, I do.
[01:06:35]  I understand that position, and I think that states that decide to pass those things are well within their rights.
[01:06:42]  Makes sense.
[01:06:43]  The idea of not having a federal mandated waiting period doesn't seem that weird to me.
[01:06:48]  You know, as long as the background check system does work and it is effective, which I'm not positive, it's fully operational and does a perfect job.
[01:07:00]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:07:01]  I can see both sides of it, but I don't know.
[01:07:05]  I think on a state level, I think it's fine for that to be where that was.
[01:07:09]  Sure, sure.
[01:07:09]  I see that.
[01:07:11]  Let's call it the no breakfast of champions law.

=== Texe Marrs' Conspiracy Theory (15:27) ===

[01:07:14]  You can't have a sudden outbreak of a syphilitic breakdown and buy a gun on the same day.
[01:07:20]  I think that's fine.
[01:07:22]  Yeah, in a perfect world, I would be all right with that.
[01:07:25]  Okay.
[01:07:25]  Good.
[01:07:25]  We have come to compromise.
[01:07:27]  Sure.
[01:07:27]  Now, Jordan, it's time for you to play the theme song for our new segment.
[01:07:32]  All right.
[01:07:33]  Alex's true story.
[01:07:35]  The one time I got death-threated by the government was when Judge Walter Smith in Waco case wouldn't allow a jury.
[01:07:44]  And I don't know who did it, but it obviously was from that quarter.
[01:07:47]  And I went and we protested.
[01:07:50]  We pointed this out.
[01:07:51]  I was building that branch to Media Memorial Church, and they got very mad.
[01:07:55]  And I got little messages that couldn't come from anywhere but the government.
[01:07:59]  You know, the whole voice changer bit, the whole thing.
[01:08:01]  You know, the stuff from home.
[01:08:03]  Anybody can do that.
[01:08:03]  Stuff from Spotify.
[01:08:04]  The news does that.
[01:08:05]  I love my country.
[01:08:07]  You know, so be it.
[01:08:08]  I told them.
[01:08:09]  Whatever.
[01:08:10]  You know, I don't know.
[01:08:11]  And I've been left alone.
[01:08:13]  I don't believe Alex's version of this story or that it happened.
[01:08:18]  But even if you take Alex at his word, in 2003, he had only been threatened once.
[01:08:28]  I just don't like that I know for a fact that they've been doing TV interviews with voice modulators and everything.
[01:08:36]  Oh, they haven't?
[01:08:36]  Yes, they have since the 80s.
[01:08:38]  No, they haven't.
[01:08:39]  Even before that.
[01:08:41]  And Alex is like, only the government has that capability.
[01:08:44]  Yeah, no one else has a voice box.
[01:08:45]  Yeah, absolutely not.
[01:08:46]  No, no.
[01:08:47]  There was a fucking vocoder for Peter Goddamn.
[01:08:51]  This is really high-tech stuff.
[01:08:53]  All right.
[01:08:54]  Only the Fed had this.
[01:08:57]  So he's talking, Alex is talking to Craig Roberts, and this clip really, really was a big problem for me.
[01:09:06]  Well, remember Chandra Levy.
[01:09:08]  This was even on Fox and CNN.
[01:09:10]  It ended when it broke that she was involved in some type of weird satanic sex cult.
[01:09:14]  Did you hear that, Colonel?
[01:09:16]  Yeah, and that didn't surprise me because of all these other findings we have.
[01:09:20]  And there is a huge satanic underground movement that's linked to the homosexual community in Washington, D.C.
[01:09:25]  And we're not the only ones saying this.
[01:09:26]  I mean, this stuff pops up on TV.
[01:09:29]  Oh, yeah.
[01:09:30]  Well, here's the first real indication that I've seen that maybe Alex does think he's up against the literal devil at this early stage in his life.
[01:09:37]  This one sounds pretty serious.
[01:09:38]  It's still not nearly as overt as he is now, but it's getting close to being disturbing.
[01:09:43]  The issue that I run into is that based on what Alex is saying, he could very well think that he's fighting a group of Satanists and at the same time not think that he's fighting the minions of the literal Christian devil.
[01:09:53]  True.
[01:09:53]  He could just think that these Satanists are idiots doing dark, pointless rituals to a non-existent deity.
[01:09:58]  So I regret to inform you that this is not conclusive enough for me to call this case closed.
[01:10:02]  True.
[01:10:03]  So I was interested in the idea that Chandra Levy, be it, was involved in a satanic sex cult.
[01:10:08]  This was news to me.
[01:10:09]  So I decided to poke around and see what Alex is talking about.
[01:10:12]  It was also news to me.
[01:10:13]  This was not a story that broke in the mainstream news.
[01:10:16]  And the reason people stopped talking much about Levy and Gary Condit was because 9-11 happened.
[01:10:22]  It wasn't like the media was worried that people would learn of a secret satanic sex cult.
[01:10:25]  So they buried the story.
[01:10:27]  9-11 happened.
[01:10:28]  It was, well, I mean, that was, look, it happened in the morning.
[01:10:33]  Otherwise, it was a slow news day.
[01:10:36]  I would imagine that not a lot that ranked happened that day after.
[01:10:42]  Yeah, I could see that.
[01:10:43]  So this is a bit confusing, but it appears that this traces back to a post on the website of a guy named Texe Marrs.
[01:10:50]  This is upsetting for a number of reasons.
[01:10:52]  And one of them actually dovetails with this stupid conspiracy that Alex is raising here on this episode.
[01:10:58]  Texe Marrs died in 2019, but up to that point, he was an incredibly prolific conspiracy theorist and extremist Christian speaker.
[01:11:06]  Coincidentally, also based in Austin.
[01:11:08]  Perhaps one of the most distinctive traits of his, though, is a very clear, very deep, and very consistent anti-Semitism.
[01:11:17]  Tex still has a website running, and if you go there, you can purchase audio tapes of some of his lectures.
[01:11:23]  Or maybe they're preaching?
[01:11:24]  I don't know.
[01:11:26]  Allow me to read some of the titles that you can buy.
[01:11:30]  Oh, no.
[01:11:30]  Which I was tempted to buy, but I'm not going to give this asshole or his estate a penny.
[01:11:34]  Yeah.
[01:11:34]  Who killed Jesus?
[01:11:36]  How cowardly, lukewarm Christians are abandoning the truth and ripping passages out of the Bible in a futile attempt to appease the Jews.
[01:11:42]  Was that a sequel to Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
[01:11:45]  Nope.
[01:11:46]  Oh.
[01:11:46]  Here's another one.
[01:11:47]  All hail the Jewish master race.
[01:11:50]  I think that sounds weirdly positive, honestly.
[01:11:53]  Here's a little snippet of the description of that one.
[01:11:56]  Okay.
[01:11:56]  Quote: First, the Romans asserted their superiority.
[01:11:59]  Then came the Nazis and their exalted Aryan race.
[01:12:03]  No question.
[01:12:03]  Now it's the Jews who claim to be the master race.
[01:12:07]  Texe Marrs exposes those would-be gods on earth for what they are.
[01:12:10]  Arrogant, power-grubbing people ferociously opposing God's truth.
[01:12:15]  One quick second.
[01:12:16]  Oof.
[01:12:18]  So here's another one.
[01:12:19]  Okay.
[01:12:19]  Quote, Obama tells Jews no more.
[01:12:22]  The president finally stands up to the world's tormentors.
[01:12:25]  What a weird thing to support Obama for.
[01:12:29]  This one was apparently about Rahm Emmanuel leaving the administration.
[01:12:32]  Good for Rahm Emmanuel, I guess.
[01:12:35]  One of them is called, quote, famous anti-Semites whom I admire.
[01:12:39]  Interestingly, Ron Paul.
[01:12:41]  That's just a diary entry.
[01:12:43]  That is just a diary entry.
[01:12:44]  How dare you?
[01:12:45]  Don't you just list that shit, BuzzFeed?
[01:12:47]  Fuck you.
[01:12:48]  He includes Ron Paul on his list.
[01:12:49]  Well, Ron Paul's great at anti-Semitism.
[01:12:52]  Then there's one called, quote, Chimeras, Monsters, Pizzagate, and the Satanic Hoodwink of America and the World.
[01:12:59]  That sounds like a pretty regular TED Talk, to be honest.
[01:13:01]  The description includes, quote, Jewish scientists are working on DNA that will be inserted into the mind of every person at birth, ending anti-Semitism forever and creating new races that will love Jews.
[01:13:12]  That's almost a legitimate possible solution for Jews.
[01:13:16]  I think they should try that one.
[01:13:17]  One more is called, quote, Should Christians Burn the Jewish Talmud?
[01:13:20]  No.
[01:13:21]  Now, I don't want to order or listen to this one, but I'm guessing the answer Tex comes to is yes.
[01:13:27]  Based on how the description ends.
[01:13:28]  Quote, if Texe Marrs were to declare an international Burn the Talmud Day, would you be there to help him toss these trashy devil volumes into the bonfire?
[01:13:36]  Um also, I think.
[01:13:43]  Do the people burning holy books think they're the good guys?
[01:13:46]  Tex does.
[01:13:47]  Okay.
[01:13:47]  Also, I should point out that his website also sells a bunch of books about how the Holocaust didn't happen, including one by a guy named Brian A. Lewis Sherobot.
[01:13:56]  That middle name's probably a coincidence, right?
[01:13:58]  It could be.
[01:13:58]  Probably a coincidence.
[01:14:00]  I doubt there's anything to do with it.
[01:14:01]  Ooh, boy.
[01:14:02]  Texe Marrs is a giant pile of shit.
[01:14:05]  And one of the things that's the most constant theme of his is that Judaism is synonymous with Satanism.
[01:14:10]  It's something that constantly comes up in his lecture titles.
[01:14:13]  One is just called, quote, Inventors of Evil Things, How the Jews Created Freemasonry, Illuminism, Communism, Satanism, Witchcraft, and the New Age movement, and what they're up to now.
[01:14:25]  The description of that tape includes this, quote, Jesus said of the Jews, you are of your father, the devil, and he spoke absolute truth.
[01:14:33]  The historical record is clear.
[01:14:34]  Wow.
[01:14:35]  Good work, Bible.
[01:14:36]  Now, this also takes us back to earlier when Alex used the, you know, you are of your father.
[01:14:41]  A little bit.
[01:14:42]  It's a little bit of troubling parallels.
[01:14:47]  For someone like Texe Marrs, all roads lead back to Jewish people being behind the conspiracies that he promotes.
[01:14:52]  His brand is anti-Semitism.
[01:14:54]  It's just impossible to engage with his material and not understand that.
[01:14:58]  So, if Alex taking this conspiracy about Chandra Levy being involved in satanic sex cults, you know, that's from Texe Marrs' website, if he's taking that seriously, that's an indication of a very serious trend towards anti-Semitic content on Alex's part in this period.
[01:15:14]  Tex wrote at least two columns about Chandra Levy's disappearance and murder, and thankfully these are not behind a paywall, so I could read them.
[01:15:22]  They're fucking ridiculous.
[01:15:24]  Okay.
[01:15:24]  One attempts to make the argument that Levy was a secret Mossad agent.
[01:15:29]  Okay.
[01:15:29]  Quote, an accumulation of evidence indicates that the 24-year-old Levy was a youthful recruit in the Israeli Mossad, that nation's premier spy agency.
[01:15:37]  In that capacity, she had served as an intern at the executive offices of California Governor Gray Davis, an Illuminati initiate.
[01:15:45]  And that is where she first met Mr. Condit, also an Illuminati servant.
[01:15:50]  This falls just short of being convincing.
[01:15:52]  Is that an accumulation of evidence or just like it's piling up?
[01:15:55]  Yeah, okay.
[01:15:56]  Tex, based on literally no evidence other than his imagination, decides that as a Mossad agent, Chandra had insinuated herself in Gary Condit's life, then used him to get herself access to the CIA headquarters.
[01:16:08]  There, she learned of the Illuminati's plan to use fake Islamic terrorists to do 9-11, and thus she had to be killed so she couldn't spill the beans.
[01:16:16]  Wow, she's good.
[01:16:18]  Tex puts it this way: quote, as horrifying as the question may be, one must now contemplate the mind-numbing possibility that Chandra Levy very well may have been victim to a darkly vicious satanic force.
[01:16:30]  Damn.
[01:16:30]  My response to this is, must one?
[01:16:33]  I don't think one must contemplate that possibility.
[01:16:35]  No, have you started contemplating it yet?
[01:16:37]  I have.
[01:16:38]  Okay, see, then you did.
[01:16:39]  According to Tex, these darkly vicious satanic forces are the work of, quote, DC's exclusive satanic brotherhood, to which he claims literally all members of Congress have to be a part.
[01:16:50]  Not that exclusive.
[01:16:52]  When Texe Marrs is discussing these satanic forces, you'd have to be a monumental idiot to not understand he's demonizing Jewish people.
[01:16:59]  It's really fucking obvious.
[01:17:01]  If you know anything about his work, you could just check out his lecture titled, quote, The Jews Are Preparing a Grave for America, which warns that, quote, powerful Jewish interests have a stranglehold on American government, the economy, and our culture.
[01:17:14]  We are in grave danger.
[01:17:16]  What's anti-Semitic about that?
[01:17:18]  On the one hand, it's kind of intriguing to have this first step towards Alex talking about his feelings about the devil and Satanism in 2003.
[01:17:26]  But on the other, in much more serious hand, it's a real problem when you pull the thread of what he's talking about, and it leads back to another Austin-based conspiracy theory who believes that Satanism is a plot of the Jews.
[01:17:37]  Yeah, it would be hard to believe that living in Austin simultaneously, no one brought him up to Alex.
[01:17:45]  No one brought this guy up, so Alex has no idea who this is, and this is all coming from his own eyes.
[01:17:50]  I know that Texe Marrs has been on Alex's show before.
[01:17:54]  I know that.
[01:17:55]  Although I don't think that he plays as much of a role in later times.
[01:17:59]  I know that the name has come up, but one of the problems is there's another guy who's a conspiracy theorist named Jim Mars.
[01:18:06]  And so, like, I know he was on Alex's show a lot.
[01:18:10]  And I think that Texe Marrs had a lesser, but definitely a still existing presence.
[01:18:15]  Right.
[01:18:17]  And they both created MMs together?
[01:18:21]  Good joke.
[01:18:28]  Sorry.
[01:18:29]  That was shitty.
[01:18:32]  So, yeah, I'm really, I'm really troubled by this.
[01:18:38]  I did not expect that the first sort of fuller overture towards talking about satanic forces and what have you would be in the context of a story that was widely disseminated primarily by Texe Marrs, who has a tendency towards Satanism and stuff being coded ways for him to be anti-Semitic.
[01:19:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:19:00]  That leads me to be very worried about how much more anti-Semitic Alex's show may have been in the past.
[01:19:08]  Yeah, it does seem like it's making me clear that I need to, when I'm looking at these past episodes, I need to be a little bit more cognizant of them.
[01:19:17]  Right, right.
[01:19:18]  Because the question could be raised, like, with the globalists, is he stealing obviously effective anti-Semitic propaganda in order to rebrand it and use what is a very effective way to make his own money.
[01:19:35]  Right.
[01:19:35]  Or is he anti-Semitic and he's just camouflaging that same propaganda under the term globalists.
[01:19:43]  Yeah.
[01:19:44]  So it's that kind of appropriation versus it's a question that we've never really been able to find definitive answers to.
[01:19:52]  This does seem like a good troubling.
[01:19:54]  Yeah.
[01:19:55]  Because I don't believe that anybody, anybody could engage with the work that Texe Marrs puts out and not be aware of the particular character of anti-Semitism and a bunch of other stuff, too.
[01:20:08]  Anti-Catholic.
[01:20:09]  He just hates a lot of people.
[01:20:11]  But I don't think that you could.
[01:20:14]  And for Alex to, you know, seem to take information from his website seriously, it makes you worried about what other stuff he might.
[01:20:25]  Yeah, that's not good.
[01:20:25]  Yeah.
[01:20:26]  That's not good.
[01:20:27]  So we now jump to the 13th because they have such a good time, Craig and Alex, that they just take calls and it's boring.
[01:20:35]  Yeah.
[01:20:36]  So we jump to the 13th, and overnight, there was a bombing in Saudi Arabia.
[01:20:40]  There was a series of bombings.
[01:20:42]  And based on nothing, Alex has decided that this was a false flag.
[01:20:46]  Sure.
[01:20:47]  Sure.
[01:20:48]  And he has a list of suspects.
[01:20:49]  Go for it.
[01:20:50]  Now, this could be the CIA, it could be Mossad, or it really could be Palestinians that got into the country, got explosives, and did this.
[01:20:59]  There are real suicide bombers.
[01:21:01]  There are real terror groups.
[01:21:03]  They are few and far between.
[01:21:05]  We don't know right now.
[01:21:06]  We probably never will.
[01:21:08]  We know Vladimir Putin blew up three apartment buildings to get martial law going in Russia.
[01:21:12]  That's admitted, though.
[01:21:13]  So that keeps going.
[01:21:15]  Yeah.
[01:21:15]  Again, like I said.
[01:21:16]  Yeah, you just got to toss that in there.
[01:21:17]  Yeah, that's pretty constant.
[01:21:19]  It is a really great example of a false flag effectively turning a man into a dictator.
[01:21:25]  So there's that.
[01:21:27]  Yeah, so Alex has these suspects for this bombing, and it's just based on nothing.
[01:21:32]  Like, he has nothing to demonstrate or prove that this was in any way anything other than suicide bombings.
[01:21:40]  I don't know.
[01:21:41]  It feels like maybe it's the CIA or Mossad.
[01:21:44]  Yeah, probably.
[01:21:45]  Feels like it could be, Dan.
[01:21:46]  So one of the things that we've heard Alex say in various periods of time is a conditional acceptance of wars of regime change.
[01:21:57]  Sure, sure, yeah, yeah.
[01:21:58]  And it seems like this is something he actually really does believe.
[01:22:02]  You know, if the government was leaving our liberties alone, leaving our guns alone, leaving our freedoms alone, controlling our borders, and they said, let's invade Iraq because they're bad.
[01:22:10]  Let's invade Syria-Iran.
[01:22:12]  I could say, well, that violates what George Washington said, but you know what?
[01:22:16]  You can't really argue with it too much.
[01:22:19]  If they were really bringing freedom and all this, but they're not.
[01:22:21]  They're mowing down protesters.
[01:22:23]  They're giving them $20 a month to live on.

=== Domestic Enslavement (02:21) ===

[01:22:25]  They're totally enslaving them.
[01:22:26]  They're grabbing all the oil.
[01:22:28]  They're enslaving us here domestically.
[01:22:30]  They got gun bills that dwarf all gun control ever seen that Bush says he's going to sign.
[01:22:35]  Again, this is the same thing as the thing about prison labor.
[01:22:41]  It's somebody who has the same position as you being opposed to prison labor or being opposed to the war in Iraq, but the reasons are not the same.
[01:22:51]  And that's bad.
[01:22:53]  Yep.
[01:22:53]  Because Alex is conditionally fine with regime change wars as long as people just leave him alone.
[01:22:58]  Yeah, no, no, no.
[01:22:59]  Apartheid is bad.
[01:23:00]  Sometimes.
[01:23:01]  That's not a good take.
[01:23:02]  That's not a good take, Dan.
[01:23:03]  No.
[01:23:04]  Not a good take.
[01:23:04]  No, because if you solve the wrong problem, then the bigger problem is okay.
[01:23:09]  It's still there.
[01:23:10]  Hooray!
[01:23:11]  It's okay with Alex.
[01:23:13]  Yeah.
[01:23:14]  No, we can't have a dictator in this country.
[01:23:16]  Well, I mean, we can have my dictator.
[01:23:17]  Yeah, that's a good dictator.
[01:23:19]  I don't mind a dictator as long as they leave me alone.
[01:23:20]  It's got to be my dictator who's going to do what I say.
[01:23:23]  Yeah, that's how I want things to work.
[01:23:25]  I tell people how to live.
[01:23:27]  Now, I should tell you, I have studied everything about tyranny, and I am probably the only person who really understands it and is a voice against all forms of despotism.
[01:23:37]  Except for the woman that I do.
[01:23:39]  Right.
[01:23:40]  Because if you do my dictatorship, you'll never have another dictator.
[01:23:43]  And I think that this is indicative of the shallowness of Alex's opposition and the shallowness of his beliefs, at least surrounding the issues that he presents himself as being on the marquee.
[01:23:57]  100 certain.
[01:23:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:24:00]  It's really troubling to me.
[01:24:02]  And one of the things that I can't really get past is how obvious it is listening to this that even if you didn't know that Alex turned into the biggest piece of shit in the world.
[01:24:13]  Right.
[01:24:14]  If I heard him say that back then, I would be like, wait a second.
[01:24:19]  Sure.
[01:24:19]  Wait a second.
[01:24:20]  You would be fine with this war if you didn't have your guns hypothetically needing to be registered?
[01:24:26]  I don't know.
[01:24:27]  You know, that's one of those things.
[01:24:29]  And I think what it is not so much that as it is, like, I think about going back and watching a movie from the 90s now, and stuff pops up and you're like, I remember this movie as being one thing.

=== Alex's Whole Drill Theory (11:34) ===

[01:24:43]  Yeah.
[01:24:44]  And now I saw this and I'm like, holy shit.
[01:24:46]  That's definitely true.
[01:24:47]  I think if you give somebody the benefit of the doubt, especially during the time period, you're going to wind up missing or like skipping over in your brain just stuff and being like, he wasn't really thinking about that.
[01:24:58]  He's on the radio.
[01:24:59]  He's just talking shit.
[01:25:00]  You know, like that kind of stuff.
[01:25:01]  I guess that's true.
[01:25:02]  And you can also, you can't account for how differently you engage with things based on the time.
[01:25:09]  Totally.
[01:25:09]  You know, like watching.
[01:25:11]  I went back and I watched some of the like Attitude Era wrestling not too long ago, a couple years back.
[01:25:17]  And I was watching it and I was horrified.
[01:25:19]  Yeah.
[01:25:19]  Some of the stuff that I was like, wow, did not realize.
[01:25:23]  Oh, you go back and you're like, you could.
[01:25:26]  Jesus Christ.
[01:25:28]  Yeah.
[01:25:28]  Yeah.
[01:25:29]  So Alex has this story.
[01:25:31]  The main story of the episode is the bombing in Saudi Arabia.
[01:25:37]  There is no real actual discussion of it.
[01:25:41]  There's no, I mean, there's discussion of it, but there's no information that he provides.
[01:25:46]  There's nothing.
[01:25:46]  Well, why would you discuss that?
[01:25:47]  It's a false flag.
[01:25:48]  Every information that you get would be false information, Dan.
[01:25:51]  So you just got to speculate.
[01:25:53]  Right.
[01:25:54]  There's a lot of speculation.
[01:25:55]  And then also this.
[01:25:56]  This is what I think is the most important thing.
[01:25:59]  We'll be right back and I'll get into the NRA.
[01:26:02]  Finally admitting the ultra-gun grabbing is going on.
[01:26:04]  More on the bombings.
[01:26:05]  More on the terror drills that coincide with the bombings.
[01:26:10]  See, final control is needed.
[01:26:13]  See what happens when you don't become our slaves?
[01:26:16]  The Batman come and he boom-boom you.
[01:26:20]  Operation Northwoods will be back.
[01:26:24]  So I have to say, this is a pretty desperate attempt to grasp at straws on Alex's part.
[01:26:28]  In order for his theories to make any sense, terrorist attacks have to match up with drills.
[01:26:33]  And you can see here, because he's already covered the top-off drill, he'll accept any event as connected, regardless of how weak the argument is.
[01:26:41]  Oh, totally.
[01:26:41]  Alex's belief about the whole drill thing is that the globalists use drills so they can have plausible deniability in case one of their plans goes wrong or someone involved in the attack gets caught.
[01:26:52]  For instance, they'll run a bombing drill when they plan to carry out a bombing because that way they can plan out the details of the bombing.
[01:26:58]  And if anybody asks what they're doing, they can say it's for the drills.
[01:27:00]  Sure.
[01:27:01]  There are also ideas about how the globalists have to tell you what they're doing before they do it, according to some dumb intergalactic contract law.
[01:27:07]  But generally speaking, this concept that the drills are used as cover is central to why the connection between drill and event means anything.
[01:27:14]  Alex's theories about the London 7-7 bombing rely on a misunderstanding about news reports about a consultant giving a brainstorming presentation to business executives where he had a scenario planned that closely mirrored the actual events of the bombing.
[01:27:28]  That's a thin connection to draw, but at least the subject matter of the scenario and the attack were similar enough that you could see what Alex is trying to say.
[01:27:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:27:37]  In this instance, there were a number of suicide bombings in residential compounds in Riyadh that were generally known to be occupied by foreigners, particularly Westerners.
[01:27:47]  Meanwhile, in Chicago and Seattle, there was an interagency exercise going on that simulated a simultaneous biological attack in one city and a dirty bomb in another.
[01:27:56]  These two situations lack the primary piece of the whole drill conspiracy puzzle, which is that they're used to plan the attacks.
[01:28:03]  Yeah, there's a connection between the two.
[01:28:05]  That's what they're supposed to be used for.
[01:28:06]  This is sloppy shit, and I'm kind of shocked that Alex's listeners wouldn't realize this.
[01:28:11]  Like, I can kind of understand buying the whole drill conspiracy when there's overlap between the drill and the event.
[01:28:17]  But even when you accept this nonsense, like now Alex expects you to believe this extends this far.
[01:28:24]  Like these completely unrelated and not even thematically connected scenarios in Seattle and Chicago are somehow related to bombings in Riyadh and like when there's a like a very unpopular war happening in Iraq.
[01:28:45]  That is probably one of the benefits for him of having constant global news at all times because something is always happening.
[01:28:53]  True.
[01:28:54]  So there's always something coincidentally happening with something else that he wants to claim.
[01:28:58]  You know?
[01:28:58]  Yeah, but this is soft.
[01:29:01]  Oh, it's weak shit.
[01:29:03]  It is weak tea.
[01:29:06]  It's a ways off.
[01:29:07]  I wouldn't even, if I were Alex, I wouldn't even try this.
[01:29:13]  He's a young gun.
[01:29:15]  He's inexperienced.
[01:29:16]  He's really giving a shot.
[01:29:18]  You got to find your boundaries, and the only way to find your boundaries is to step beyond them.
[01:29:23]  Fine.
[01:29:24]  So, anyway, Alex talks about this a little bit more, and my only note on this is that this is unfair.
[01:29:30]  All right, we're already into the second hour of this worldwide broadcast.
[01:29:35]  Wide open phones in this hour.
[01:29:36]  We talk about the tragic, convenient, right-on-time bombings to legitimize the police state and these drills are running, the FEMA takeover drills, the martial law preparation activation test that's going on for the FEMA takeover.
[01:29:53]  So now the bombings themselves are meant to give credibility to the exercises that are being run in Seattle and Chicago.
[01:30:01]  What the fuck?
[01:30:02]  No, I'm very tired.
[01:30:03]  You can't.
[01:30:04]  That exhausts me.
[01:30:05]  Yeah, this is pretzel shit.
[01:30:07]  Yeah, no.
[01:30:08]  No, you cannot eat your own tail at me.
[01:30:11]  That's not possible.
[01:30:12]  Yeah, it's not fair.
[01:30:14]  It's not fair.
[01:30:15]  Either these exercises are used to provide cover and planning for the globalists.
[01:30:20]  Right.
[01:30:20]  Or they're part of contract law or they're not actually what's like sometimes the terrorist attack is actually about the exercise.
[01:30:30]  It's actually the reverse.
[01:30:31]  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[01:30:33]  He like twisted it around so now that the now the terrorist attack is providing cover for the drills instead of the drills.
[01:30:41]  I mean, I guess the reality is that when anything is fake, it doesn't matter.
[01:30:45]  That's a good point.
[01:30:46]  And if you believe or like your editorial line for these narratives is that all this stuff is fake, it's no longer disrespectful to take something like this and use it however you want because who cares?
[01:30:59]  Your editorial position is just expediency.
[01:31:02]  Whatever's the...
[01:31:03]  Yeah, I don't know if anybody's ever really, truly made a career out of taking the path of least resistance quite like Alex.
[01:31:12]  It's just like, I'm just flowing.
[01:31:15]  You know, he's almost reached a Zen position of just flowing through the river.
[01:31:19]  Whatever bullshit comes out of his mouth, he just rides along it behind him.
[01:31:24]  He's self-sustaining fart blimp.
[01:31:28]  That's what he is, Dan.
[01:31:29]  I have become one with the wind.
[01:31:31]  He is the Hindenburg.
[01:31:36]  So Alex takes some calls, and he gets a call from a guy who gets pretty religious with him.
[01:31:42]  Sure.
[01:31:43]  And it's interesting how quick Alex hangs up on this guy.
[01:31:45]  Okay.
[01:31:46]  But I also spend my life also in the scriptures.
[01:31:50]  And what's amazing to me, the things that are being spoken by yourself, but there's a few others like you out there that the scripture speaks of.
[01:32:02]  And I appreciate your call, Nante, and it's good to have you as a listener.
[01:32:06]  Take care.
[01:32:07]  Ed in Pennsylvania.
[01:32:08]  Ed, you're on the air.
[01:32:09]  Go ahead.
[01:32:14]  This caller was saying that, like, you're in the Bible.
[01:32:17]  Alex, I am calling to say that you're a prophet.
[01:32:20]  Listen, I don't have that kind of stuff on my show.
[01:32:23]  Cut to I am the Messiah.
[01:32:26]  Yeah.
[01:32:27]  Yeah.
[01:32:27]  Wow.
[01:32:28]  Quite a change.
[01:32:29]  Goddamn.
[01:32:30]  Quite a change.
[01:32:30]  God damn, that is fast.
[01:32:33]  So Alex, again, also in 2003, one of his sort of primary positions and branding strategies is anti-police brutality and anti-police stuff.
[01:32:47]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:32:47]  It's a quick, easy way to look above the left-right paradigm.
[01:32:51]  Yes.
[01:32:52]  Because I mentioned it, and it's online at Infowars.com right now.
[01:32:56]  Councilwoman criticizes action by constables.
[01:33:01]  This is out of the morning call online mainstream newspaper.
[01:33:05]  They shot three dogs too fatally when they went to serve a warrant in Allentown for unpaid parking tickets.
[01:33:13]  Saying there is a doozy of a problem here.
[01:33:16]  Allentown councilwoman Gail Hoover expressed outrage Sunday over the shooting of three dogs too fatally by constables serving a warrant on a man who had not paid parking tickets.
[01:33:27]  Obviously, this is not something I'm okay with.
[01:33:30]  Police should never behave this way, and I think we can all agree on that.
[01:33:33]  I just find it interesting that Alex ends up taking almost an entire segment on the show to rant about this story, which is honestly tragic, but definitely doesn't seem like something that needs to be front and center of the show's news that day.
[01:33:45]  It just makes me really sad to see him spending like 10 minutes decrying the evils of the police killing two dogs when in his later career he rationalizes that sometimes police are right when they shoot unarmed black people.
[01:33:57]  Personally, I'm opposed to all acts of police violence, but I don't think like a story like this actually ranks as important news for a number of reasons.
[01:34:05]  The first is that even from Alex's headline, you can tell that the city council person is upset about this event and is pushing to take appropriate steps to address the issue.
[01:34:13]  No, all globalists are evil.
[01:34:15]  In this instance, you can see unacceptable behavior from the police, but you can also almost be certain that the victim is going to win a civil suit and have some kind of restitution.
[01:34:25]  And that's exactly what did end up happening when they settled a claim against the cops who shot their dogs for $320,000.
[01:34:31]  Money can never make up for the loss of a loved pet, but I mean, what can you do after the fact?
[01:34:37]  Sure.
[01:34:37]  Hold people responsible and pay the victims.
[01:34:41]  Even this story that came out in the morning call about this shooting prior to this episode that Alex is recording quotes another cop who, quote, said he wanted the family to know that constables carry up to $500,000 in liability insurance.
[01:34:55]  Quote, we're walking cash cows for a good lawyer, he said.
[01:34:59]  Even other cops in the department were saying that they needed to do what needed to be done to make things right.
[01:35:04]  Wow.
[01:35:05]  And they had a lot of insurance.
[01:35:06]  That cop reminds me so much of that Kyle Kinane bit where he's like, you know, you meet somebody, you meet enough, you live an interesting enough life, you meet plenty of cops in your day.
[01:35:16]  And every now and again, you find one who's just like, there, but for the grace of God, go out.
[01:35:21]  He's like, eh, I could have been working at the gas station or, you know, being a cop pays five bucks better.
[01:35:27]  So, oh, man, that's great.
[01:35:28]  That cop just being like, hey, man, sue the shit out of me.
[01:35:32]  I don't got to worry about shit.
[01:35:33]  They got a lot of insurance.
[01:35:34]  Hey, come on.
[01:35:36]  So we have one last clip here.
[01:35:38]  It's another story that Alex is sort of touching on, but he doesn't really know the details.
[01:35:44]  And I'm driving along listening when I left to the 7 o'clock news or whatever.
[01:35:49]  And I'm listening, and they said that the governor, when the Speaker of the House has ordered the arrest of over 80 members of the legislature.

=== Redistricting Risks Revealed (04:48) ===

[01:36:05]  And I'm listening.
[01:36:06]  No, I'm not kidding.
[01:36:07]  I'm listening to them reading this AP headline, national headline, because they say they've been ordered basically under Homeland Security to follow all orders, to vote as they're told by Washington.
[01:36:20]  And then you hear this state rep from Houston saying they're taking over.
[01:36:25]  We won't be part of this.
[01:36:26]  And that's all it said.
[01:36:27]  We don't know what they're talking about.
[01:36:30]  I typed in the article.
[01:36:32]  It popped up.
[01:36:32]  It just said they've been ordered to be arrested.
[01:36:35]  See, I'm so conditioned in this la-law land that I'm hearing that members of the House have been ordered in the Senate to be arrested.
[01:36:46]  I don't know how you do it.
[01:36:48]  I can only.
[01:36:48]  Well, I mean, that's the insane.
[01:36:49]  In fact, people are listening right now in Texas who heard this or was on national AP News.
[01:36:54]  Call into the show if you heard it.
[01:36:56]  Why I didn't print that article.
[01:36:57]  I read it online last night when I got home.
[01:36:59]  Didn't print it.
[01:37:00]  Didn't cover it.
[01:37:00]  I can't keep track of it anymore.
[01:37:02]  Seems like if it's this kind of story, you probably should have thought to print it.
[01:37:06]  Yeah.
[01:37:07]  All right.
[01:37:07]  So what happened here is that the Republicans had taken control of the Texas legislature in the most recent election, and they were pushing a hard agenda that included harsh spending cuts and redistricting.
[01:37:18]  How funny is it that we no longer live in a world where I can assume after you say the Texas Republicans took control of the legislature that it would end in an election?
[01:37:29]  The Texas House requires a quorum of at least 100 of their members to actually meet and vote on things.
[01:37:35]  So 58 of the Democrats In office, they decided just to not show up to boycott the agenda that they were essentially powerless to stop in a vote.
[01:37:43]  This is something they can do, and in response, the House Speaker has the authority to send the Texas Rangers out to find them and bring them in to vote.
[01:37:51]  It's basically hide and seek, but with the government.
[01:37:54]  Exactly.
[01:37:54]  52 of the lawmakers decided to get out of the state in order to avoid being arrested.
[01:37:59]  So the Speaker requested help from other states to get them back into chambers.
[01:38:03]  Naturally.
[01:38:03]  An Associated Press article includes an amazingly dishy response from New Mexico Attorney General Patricia Madrid, who said that she had, quote, no authority to arrest lawmakers who show up there, but went on to say, quote, Nevertheless, I have put out an all-points bulletin for law enforcement to be on the lookout for politicians in favor of health care for the needy and against tax cuts for the wealthy.
[01:38:24]  Ah, God damn!
[01:38:29]  Oh, get her on roast battle.
[01:38:30]  Shit.
[01:38:32]  God damn.
[01:38:33]  The Democrats returned when the time had elapsed for the bill, but it didn't matter.
[01:38:36]  Governor Rick Perry held repeated special sessions to push through the redistricting plan and eventually got it passed, thereby gerrymandering the hell out of the state house districts and giving a very strong advantage to Republicans to remain in power.
[01:38:48]  Alex is pretending that this is an instance of power mad folks having their political opponents arrested and sent to the hole.
[01:38:55]  But the reality is it's part of political maneuvering that's uncommon, but it's not really outside of the standard rules set forth by the Texas House.
[01:39:02]  Yeah, it's power mad politicians so corrupt that they're willing to destroy their entire state in order to ensure right-wing politics rules the day.
[01:39:13]  Listen.
[01:39:13]  It has nothing to do with putting your political enemies in the hooscal.
[01:39:16]  Listen, the gerrymandering and the redistricting stuff is the real issue.
[01:39:20]  That's the real problem.
[01:39:21]  That's the conversation.
[01:39:22]  That's corrupt and power-hungry.
[01:39:24]  The sending Texas Rangers out to bring people back to vote is a silly portion of the rules of sort of government procedure.
[01:39:38]  Yeah, there is that, like, I understand that we have those rules, but this is childish.
[01:39:44]  Sure.
[01:39:45]  This is silly.
[01:39:46]  Like how you have to say, like, the good gentlewoman from New Hampshire.
[01:39:50]  Absolutely.
[01:39:50]  Shut the fuck up.
[01:39:51]  Yeah.
[01:39:52]  Yeah.
[01:39:52]  I don't need this bullshit.
[01:39:53]  Yeah.
[01:39:54]  So we reached the end of this.
[01:39:56]  I mean, that was a pretty boring episode, the 13th, I got to say.
[01:39:58]  Not much goes on.
[01:39:59]  It did not feel like it.
[01:40:00]  A lot of talk about that bombing and not a lot of actual information.
[01:40:05]  But I think that we stumbled upon something fairly important here.
[01:40:09]  And this is.
[01:40:10]  The satanic cabal living underneath D.C., swallowing the blood of our children.
[01:40:16]  The way that this is characterized, the way this sort of has a little bit of a clue leading back to Texe Marrs is a bit troubling.

=== Fun Things and Anti-Semitism (01:52) ===

[01:40:27]  And I'm worried about what we're actually going to find through this fanciful and seemingly fun investigation into when Alex started thinking he was fighting the devil.
[01:40:39]  Yeah.
[01:40:39]  Uncovering that maybe this too is all rooted in appropriated or exploited anti-Semitic ideals is not what I would have liked.
[01:40:52]  It does feel a lot like that day you're like, hey, Carrie Cassidy, kind of an anti-Semite, and then it all crumbled down and you're like, fuck, all fun things just wind up with anti-Semitism at the bottom.
[01:41:05]  Brutal.
[01:41:06]  It does seem that this might be another indication or another example of that.
[01:41:12]  And we will see.
[01:41:14]  We'll check back in and we'll see what we find.
[01:41:18]  I hope it really goes well for him.
[01:41:20]  Alex, I have bad news.
[01:41:23]  I hope he gets his act together.
[01:41:25]  Oh, no.
[01:41:26]  Right now, I feel like 2003, there's a bright future ahead of him.
[01:41:30]  18 years later, he will be on air threatening to eat his neighbors.
[01:41:33]  There's that.
[01:41:34]  There is that.
[01:41:35]  Okay.
[01:41:35]  I don't think it goes well.
[01:41:37]  It's at best lateral because he's richer.
[01:41:41]  That's true.
[01:41:43]  That's true.
[01:41:45]  In some ways.
[01:41:46]  Yeah.
[01:41:47]  Anyway, we'll check back in.
[01:41:48]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:41:49]  We do have a website.
[01:41:50]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:41:51]  Yep, Burl's on Twitter.
[01:41:52]  We are on Twitter.
[01:41:53]  It's at knowledge underscore fight.
[01:41:55]  And I go to bed.
[01:41:56]  And we're on iTunes.
[01:41:59]  And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.
[01:42:02]  Yep, we'll be back.
[01:42:03]  But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo.
[01:42:04]  I'm DZX Clark.
[01:42:05]  I'm Daryl Rundis.
[01:42:06]  I kind of think that Steak Knife is a fine code name.
[01:42:10]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:42:11]  Thanks for holding.
[01:42:14]  Hello, Alex.
[01:42:14]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:42:15]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:42:16]  I love your work.