Knowledge Fight - #544: May 1, 2003
Aired: 2021-03-29
Duration: 01:48:08


=== Dan's Bright Spot (11:17) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  And endure.
[00:00:30]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:32]  I need, I need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:41]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:44]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a first time caller.
[00:00:50]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:51]  I love your world.
[00:00:52]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:53]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:56]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan!
[00:01:09]  Jordan!
[00:01:09]  Quick question.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:11]  My bright spot today?
[00:01:12]  Jordan, I think that one of the early bright spots when I moved into this apartment was that I had a junk drawer.
[00:01:19]  Yes, that's true.
[00:01:20]  Yes.
[00:01:20]  To check back up on that, I'd like to make my bright spot today that I had my first real junk drawer moment.
[00:01:26]  Where you were like, what the fuck did I put in here?
[00:01:28]  No, I was like, of course I've got AA batteries.
[00:01:32]  Oh no, not the junk drawer batteries moment.
[00:01:35]  They've got to be in there.
[00:01:36]  You never win.
[00:01:37]  I'm sure.
[00:01:37]  You never win.
[00:01:38]  The batteries moment!
[00:01:39]  So I was looking through the junk drawer, and I found AAA batteries, and no AA's, it turns out.
[00:01:45]  You are issued AAA's whenever you move in somewhere, and nothing fits AAA's.
[00:01:50]  AAA's just come in a pack that's too big.
[00:01:52]  You don't need as many as you think you do.
[00:01:54]  Yeah, we'll give you 30 AAA's for one remote control.
[00:01:57]  Yeah, I was going through there with pencils, pens, and I'm like, oh, I got a deck of cards in here.
[00:02:01]  How about that?
[00:02:02]  Yeah, why not?
[00:02:03]  Great.
[00:02:05]  It's your old-timey Batman Forever deck of cards.
[00:02:07]  You remember those?
[00:02:08]  It was a nice moment.
[00:02:10]  It really felt like...
[00:02:12]  You're home!
[00:02:13]  It's complete.
[00:02:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:14]  I don't know if I feel home, but the drawer is fun.
[00:02:17]  That's fair enough.
[00:02:18]  How about you?
[00:02:19]  Dan, my bright spot today is my support structure.
[00:02:23]  My partner and you and the many people who helped me.
[00:02:28]  It has been a very difficult few days between me and my brain.
[00:02:32]  A week or so.
[00:02:34]  And not a good place to be.
[00:02:37]  Sometimes my brain has been downright abusive towards me.
[00:02:40]  Sure.
[00:02:41]  So it is nice to have these amazing people in my life.
[00:02:48]  Spoiler alert for the audience.
[00:02:49]  I didn't talk to you at all yesterday.
[00:02:51]  No, I know.
[00:02:51]  I don't know what I did.
[00:02:53]  You didn't do anything.
[00:02:55]  Look, I mean, our employee-boss relationship, I feel, is strong.
[00:03:00]  Harumph.
[00:03:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:03]  So it is nice to have that.
[00:03:06]  It's a huge bright spot for me because there have been times in my life where that support structure was not around and I was teetering on a knife's edge.
[00:03:14]  So it is...
[00:03:16]  A huge bright spot.
[00:03:17]  Well, I love you, buddy, and I'm glad that you're feeling better now.
[00:03:20]  A little bit better, I assume.
[00:03:22]  Let's do the show.
[00:03:23]  Okay.
[00:03:24]  And to sort of reverse the sort of, just because I'm uncomfortable by you saying such positive things, you know, you've really helped me a lot, too, as a support structure.
[00:03:35]  So thank you.
[00:03:35]  It's great.
[00:03:36]  It's nice to be able to be in that position.
[00:03:38]  Yeah, it's huge.
[00:03:39]  Yeah.
[00:03:39]  Yeah.
[00:03:40]  So, Jordan, today we are gonna...
[00:03:42]  This is sort of like...
[00:03:43]  What we're doing today is also even kind of like my support.
[00:03:46]  Okay.
[00:03:46]  Self-support, let's say.
[00:03:48]  Okay, all right.
[00:03:49]  As open my eagle would say, what the fuck is self-care?
[00:03:53]  This may be self-care for me.
[00:03:55]  And we'll get to it here in a moment.
[00:03:56]  Before we do, we gotta take a little moment and say hello and shout out some new wonks.
[00:04:01]  So first, Jason B. also had a birthday recently.
[00:04:04]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:05]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:07]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:08]  Thanks, Jason.
[00:04:09]  And happy birthday to you.
[00:04:11]  Also, BB.
[00:04:12]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:13]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:14]  Also, BB just had a birthday recently.
[00:04:17]  Turned 20 years old.
[00:04:18]  How about that?
[00:04:18]  Oh, my God.
[00:04:19]  You're too young to listen to this show.
[00:04:21]  Do you remember being 20?
[00:04:23]  Oh, man.
[00:04:23]  You don't.
[00:04:24]  I mean, I literally don't.
[00:04:27]  Congratulations, BB.
[00:04:28]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:29]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:30]  Thank you, BB!
[00:04:31]  Next, Jared, spelled J-A-R-O-D-B-S.
[00:04:35]  That's two initials, not bullshit.
[00:04:36]  Jared, B to the S. Yeah, you're now a policy wonk.
[00:04:40]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:41]  Unclear when his birthday is.
[00:04:44]  If you are a policy wonk, please put your birthday in there, just so we can give you a happy birthday, whether you like it or not.
[00:04:52]  Next, greetings from the city formerly known as Portland's anarchist jurisdiction.
[00:04:56]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:57]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:58]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:59]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:01]  Yeah.
[00:05:02]  All of you, I suppose.
[00:05:04]  Next, this is another person who had a birthday.
[00:05:06]  On the 23rd, just missed it.
[00:05:08]  Oh, that's close, though.
[00:05:09]  But happy birthday, Cillian.
[00:05:11]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:05:12]  As well as Janie, who is also now a policy wonk.
[00:05:16]  But I don't know what Janie's birthday is.
[00:05:18]  Anyway, Janie got in touch with us and wanted us to wish you happy birthday, Cillian.
[00:05:22]  Policy wonkery all around.
[00:05:23]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:25]  Thank you.
[00:05:25]  Thank you very much to all of you.
[00:05:27]  And while we're here, Killian Murphy, too.
[00:05:30]  I think he had a birthday sometime.
[00:05:31]  At some point.
[00:05:32]  And finally, Prop Comic Sans, thank you so much.
[00:05:35]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:36]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:37]  Thank you very much, Prop Comic Sans.
[00:05:39]  Good times.
[00:05:40]  Now, Jordan, what we're doing today is...
[00:05:44]  I've got a question for you.
[00:05:47]  What's that?
[00:05:47]  Do you like apples?
[00:05:50]  Um...
[00:05:51]  So what do you think about them apples?
[00:05:52]  Okay.
[00:05:53]  All right.
[00:05:55]  Today, Jordan, what we got on our plate is I have found these old Alex Jones episodes.
[00:06:01]  I found episodes dating back to 2003.
[00:06:04]  All right.
[00:06:06]  So how do you like them apples was relevant at the time, is what you're saying?
[00:06:11]  Well, it was still out of date.
[00:06:12]  It's a little bit late.
[00:06:13]  It was still out of date, but...
[00:06:14]  I found episodes going back to 2003, and I find Alex almost insufferable and very boring in the present day.
[00:06:21]  I don't want to ignore him in the present day, but I also don't want to be doing a show that is constantly just looking at him in the present day, because I find that to be...
[00:06:32]  Dumb.
[00:06:32]  I think it's worthwhile as a sort of social thing.
[00:06:36]  Totally.
[00:06:36]  But as an intellectual exercise, I don't really care all that much about listening to a guy constantly say he's fighting the devil.
[00:06:43]  Totally.
[00:06:43]  And then I'm supposed to take it seriously and be like, well, actually, the devil started as an idea.
[00:06:49]  Right, right, right.
[00:06:50]  I have no interest.
[00:06:51]  I imagine that the audience does get a little bit bored with, I didn't listen to the third hour.
[00:06:56]  It was too boring.
[00:06:58]  And a lot of times I did listen to it.
[00:07:01]  Who cares?
[00:07:02]  There's nothing in there.
[00:07:03]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:07:03]  So, we will obviously still be talking about the present day, but for today, I needed to go back.
[00:07:09]  As far back as I could.
[00:07:11]  So, today, we are going to be talking about May 1st, 2003.
[00:07:16]  Ooh, is that when Christopher Lloyd guested?
[00:07:18]  No.
[00:07:19]  Christopher Lloyd, no guests on this episode.
[00:07:21]  Okay.
[00:07:22]  This episode is...
[00:07:25]  It's amazing for a number of reasons.
[00:07:27]  There's a couple things that blew my mind.
[00:07:29]  Okay.
[00:07:29]  I am convinced I'm a witch now.
[00:07:31]  All right.
[00:07:31]  And also, it's a new day.
[00:07:40]  It's a new day from 20 years ago.
[00:07:43]  I find myself getting these reinvigorations through whenever I can find these old time frames to look back on.
[00:07:50]  Oh, yeah.
[00:07:50]  It really is recharging of my batteries, and it's, man.
[00:07:54]  I like it.
[00:07:55]  So, Jordan, we start May 1st.
[00:07:59]  2003.
[00:08:00]  Do you remember 2003 much?
[00:08:01]  Do you remember what was going on in May?
[00:08:03]  No, I told you.
[00:08:03]  I don't remember.
[00:08:05]  The Iraq War had just ended.
[00:08:07]  Oh, boy.
[00:08:09]  Did we just mission accomplished?
[00:08:10]  That was that day.
[00:08:12]  That was that day!
[00:08:13]  You are a witch!
[00:08:15]  You're a witch!
[00:08:16]  May 1st, 2003 was the day that George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with the mission accomplished banner.
[00:08:23]  VI day, as we all know it now.
[00:08:25]  Yes, victory was upon us.
[00:08:28]  And so, hey, here's Alex.
[00:08:31]  We're going to find out a number of things.
[00:08:33]  Some of the things that are really interesting to me and I'm most excited to learn about are things like, how is Alex Jones' opposition to Bush and the Iraq War, how does it exist when Bush is in office?
[00:08:46]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:08:47]  How can we look at that through the prism of history in the context of knowing...
[00:08:51]  How he behaves more generally as a pattern.
[00:08:55]  How can we apply that to this source material?
[00:08:58]  And so it's interesting.
[00:08:59]  Anyway.
[00:09:00]  I believe you.
[00:09:01]  Did you know that the New World Order has a plan?
[00:09:05]  How many years behind might it be?
[00:09:08]  18 years ago, it's coming into place.
[00:09:11]  Okay.
[00:09:12]  We are now following the exact model used by dictators.
[00:09:19]  To intensify their hold on populations.
[00:09:22]  Whether it was Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, the agenda of the New World Order is spiraling out of control.
[00:09:31]  Years ago, I read a Pensacola News Journal article that is on Infowars.com in one of our press releases about how during a red alert, you won't be able to leave your house and have any rights.
[00:09:43]  You have a link to it.
[00:09:44]  In that story, the Marines took over.
[00:09:52]  Bill Clinton wants you to know what martial law is about.
[00:10:00]  I don't care.
[00:10:02]  Immediately, I'm listening to this, and I'm like, this dude is doing a voice.
[00:10:07]  Yeah, I wanted to...
[00:10:09]  He's performing.
[00:10:11]  This is so weird, because I was literally writing down, like, I don't know how to describe it, but he sounds fatter.
[00:10:18]  I think it has something to do with the way he's filling up his cheeks with air.
[00:10:23]  I think he's doing a bit of a Rush Limbaugh impression.
[00:10:26]  Oh, yeah, totally.
[00:10:26]  And I think that Rush Limbaugh has a sound better.
[00:10:32]  It's remarkable.
[00:10:33]  It sounds like a guy who knows he's doing radio.
[00:10:36]  Totally.
[00:10:38]  God, it's refreshing.
[00:10:40]  It's somebody trying.
[00:10:42]  It's amazing.
[00:10:43]  But apparently the globalist plan was falling apart back then, too.
[00:10:46]  Just constantly falling apart.
[00:10:47]  It's like when you're on a ship.
[00:10:50]  You're constantly rebuilding the ship as you sail.
[00:10:53]  That's how it's always worked.
[00:10:54]  Is it?
[00:10:55]  Yeah.
[00:10:55]  Oh, I don't want to sail.
[00:10:56]  Yeah, don't sail.
[00:10:57]  It's really hard.
[00:10:58]  So, I can't find the original article that Alex is talking about from the Pensacola News Journal, nor can I find articles about it on Infowars in their archives.
[00:11:06]  However, I did find a Geocities-level website that's copied and pasted what's supposedly this article, so I'm going to go off of that.
[00:11:13]  Okay.
[00:11:14]  Reading the article, you can tell that what was going on there was a situation where this school called Hobbs Middle School, it was part of a partnership with Whiting Field Naval Air Station.
[00:11:23]  And the enlisted people coming to the school, it was part of them volunteering to help T. Yeah.

=== CIA And The Bath Party (15:21) ===

[00:11:30]  They did this very basic presentation as if the military was in charge of the school to help the students better understand the issues that were facing the civilians in Kosovo at the time.
[00:11:39]  One of Whitfield's students, Julie McCool, said the presence of the military personnel in her school made the news she'd been watching from Yugoslavia seem a little more real.
[00:11:52]  Sure.
[00:11:53]  Which is great.
[00:11:53]  It achieves an impactful lesson for the students.
[00:11:56]  I mean, personally, I don't think any military should go anywhere near a middle school, but that's just me.
[00:12:04]  I mean, I assume that they weren't like, hey, let's become fascist, but, you know, what are you going to do?
[00:12:09]  Right.
[00:12:09]  I mean, the idea of making the news real or helping the students understand it.
[00:12:15]  Sure.
[00:12:15]  Totally.
[00:12:15]  There's a value to that.
[00:12:16]  Totally.
[00:12:17]  If you're going as far as, like, hitting the kids with the butt of a gun.
[00:12:22]  Then I'm out.
[00:12:23]  Yeah, I don't want to...
[00:12:24]  I mean, yeah.
[00:12:25]  And I think that there are also sort of what you're saying.
[00:12:29]  I think...
[00:12:29]  I wouldn't be in favor of things that are basically like PR work for the armed forces directed at schools.
[00:12:36]  That would kind of be a huge thing for me.
[00:12:38]  I don't like that.
[00:12:39]  I've been a Miyazaki fan for a long time, and the military teaching children it's okay to be in the military is a big deal.
[00:12:46]  from the article, what I was getting from it is not so much that they were teaching that it's cool to be in the military, but it still has the effect of rubbing off and maybe turning these people into I don't really have a position on it.
[00:13:09]  On the one hand, it could have the effect of making these youths think that the army is super cool.
[00:13:14]  But on the other hand, it also has the potential to open up the students to things they wouldn't have the chance to experience otherwise.
[00:13:19]  For instance, from this article, quote, Last year, students from Hobbs and SS Dixon Primary School communicated via email with a Coast Guard lieutenant on a cruise bound for the South Pole and had a video teleconference with their friend once she got there.
[00:13:34]  That could be a really neat opportunity for students to learn directly about all sorts of things in a way that's much more real than reading about the South Pole in a book.
[00:13:43]  And that could be a positive thing.
[00:13:44]  Yeah, sure.
[00:13:45]  What's it like on the boat?
[00:13:47]  Have you ever seen a man die?
[00:13:48]  We have to keep rebuilding.
[00:13:50]  You've never seen a man die before.
[00:13:51]  I've seen...
[00:13:52]  Two men die in my arms.
[00:13:55]  I don't know where that voice came from.
[00:13:56]  That was a weird voice.
[00:13:57]  Yeah, that was a weird voice.
[00:13:58]  My bad.
[00:13:58]  That's a 2003 voice.
[00:13:59]  Sorry about that.
[00:14:00]  Also, it's important to keep in mind that these are middle school students.
[00:14:03]  I would be opposed to this being done with an elementary school, since I don't know how well second graders could process any of this.
[00:14:09]  Totally.
[00:14:09]  That's how you get Alex Jones.
[00:14:11]  Yeah, but by middle school, the kids should be exactly at the point where this could be a great experience for them.
[00:14:16]  They're not too young to process it and not too old to think that it's really dumb once they're in high school.
[00:14:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:23]  Also, this is an article from March 1999, so it's nice to see that even in 2003, Alex doesn't deal with new news.
[00:14:29]  I kind of was thinking it's 2003 and we're listening about Clinton and Kosovo, and while I do think that that is a very important historical thing for us to learn, it's the Iraq!
[00:14:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:43]  And, you know, if you're talking about militarization of police post-9-11, obviously, certainly a topic worth conversing about.
[00:14:51]  Yeah.
[00:14:51]  But if one of the things that you're leading the show with is, like, the military coming into a school in Pensacola, like, that was pre-9-11.
[00:14:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:00]  You just need to...
[00:15:00]  There's better ways to do this.
[00:15:02]  You used to be able to just walk on a plane.
[00:15:04]  Whenever the military was at this school, you could walk onto a plane.
[00:15:08]  Yeah.
[00:15:09]  So that story from the past is being woven in with a new headline Alex has read about.
[00:15:16]  Now I have this article, Fox News.
[00:15:18]  Young Marines teach kids discipline, integrity, and it turns out it's an anti-drug, anti-gun program.
[00:15:24]  And they teach the kids if they join the globalists, they get to have guns.
[00:15:29]  If not, it's over.
[00:15:31]  It's all part of pure evil.
[00:15:33]  So this doesn't really relate at all.
[00:15:35]  No, it doesn't sound like it.
[00:15:37]  That four-year-old story was about a day when military volunteers, they created an educational experience at a middle school.
[00:15:43]  This is more or less just a press release about a youth program run by former Marines.
[00:15:48]  The Young Marines is basically a more discipline-focused version of the Scouts, and it's run by the Marine Corps League, which is a social organization for former Marines.
[00:15:57]  They basically put kids in boot camp-like conditions and have them eat MREs in order to build strength and discipline.
[00:16:02]  From everything I can tell, it's definitely an anti-drug program, but I did not get the sense that it's anti-gun.
[00:16:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:09]  I would have hated being in this group, and I think it seems kind of fucked up, but the only way anyone's gonna go to it is if they and their parents agree to take part in it, so I'm not gonna spend too much time complaining about their choices.
[00:16:20]  Yeah, you guys do what you do.
[00:16:22]  I don't have time for it.
[00:16:23]  The Iraq War is just going on.
[00:16:26]  Frankly, the Iraq War is just beginning.
[00:16:29]  When that Mission Accomplished sign up was the beginning of the Iraq War.
[00:16:33]  No, it did not.
[00:16:34]  No, it did not.
[00:16:36]  That was way back when.
[00:16:37]  Yeah.
[00:16:38]  Oh, man.
[00:16:39]  We really thought we were going to get out of there, Dan.
[00:16:41]  I don't know if I thought that back then.
[00:16:43]  I absolutely did not.
[00:16:44]  I thought these guys were going to fuck everything up and we were all going to die.
[00:16:47]  So, Alex is above the political divide, the left-right paradigm, all this stuff.
[00:16:52]  Talking about Clinton in 2003.
[00:16:55]  Yes, he's above the left-right paradigm.
[00:16:56]  38's Bush, too.
[00:16:57]  True.
[00:16:58]  Now, here's where things get a little muddy.
[00:17:01]  Oh, I got news of conservative states gun-grabbing all across the country.
[00:17:05]  Wait until you hear about this.
[00:17:06]  Again, conservatism now is a byword for big government, no freedom, condoms, abortion, everything.
[00:17:16]  They are ultra-liberals.
[00:17:18]  They are winning the war, destroying America, because the liberals learned how to dress up like conservatives.
[00:17:24]  It happened, folks.
[00:17:25]  It happened.
[00:17:26]  It's pretty illuminating to me, because it's really the core of Alex's fake presentation of being above two-party shit.
[00:17:32]  He's presenting a position where the conservatives out there are actually secret liberals, which is why the two parties don't matter, because they're both not far enough to the right.
[00:17:40]  Therefore, they're actually the same thing.
[00:17:42]  Yeah.
[00:17:42]  That's...
[00:17:43]  That's what his being above the two-party system is.
[00:17:46]  Yeah, I'm above the two-party system because I want to destroy them and institute a theocracy.
[00:17:51]  What don't you understand?
[00:17:53]  It would be fine for Alex to just openly advocate that he feels alienated by politics because he's way far to the right of anything that exists in polite society.
[00:18:01]  But even in 2003, he knows that's not going to appeal to a wide audience, so he plays the game of being like, oh, the left and the right is a lie.
[00:18:09]  And you know why?
[00:18:10]  If you actually are conservative, You've got to be an extremist to the right because these really hardcore right-wing people are actually secret liberals.
[00:18:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:18:20]  That makes sense.
[00:18:24]  Great!
[00:18:26]  So, at this point, there was talk of the need for the provisional government in Iraq.
[00:18:33]  Sorting out how to set up...
[00:18:35]  A system there once we were to withdraw.
[00:18:38]  Which, as we know from living in 2021, didn't go great.
[00:18:42]  Well, it turns out that crony capitalism combined with colonialism does not work out well for anyone.
[00:18:49]  Isn't that crazy?
[00:18:50]  U.S. reported to push for Iraqi government with Pentagon prevailing.
[00:18:59]  And they are appointing the members of the Ba 'ath Party, the Torture Lords and others trained in the U.S. in the 80s and the 70s.
[00:19:09]  All CIA, of course.
[00:19:11]  They are another easy victory for them.
[00:19:13]  They're going to be running things.
[00:19:15]  And we'll get to that for you as well.
[00:19:18]  I don't know how to read Alex's tone there.
[00:19:20]  I really don't know what...
[00:19:22]  He's being facetious?
[00:19:23]  Yeah, I was gonna say...
[00:19:24]  There's kind of a smugness to it more than a facetiousness.
[00:19:27]  I mean, they hadn't really announced debathification at that time, did they?
[00:19:31]  No, no, it's a couple weeks after this.
[00:19:33]  Oh, yeah, that's what I was saying.
[00:19:35]  But yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
[00:19:38]  I was like, does Alex not know that that's a major thing that ends up happening?
[00:19:42]  And it's a major thing that ends up contributing to the massive destabilization in...
[00:19:47]  So is he being facetious in such a way that, like...
[00:19:51]  These idiots are trying to get rid of the bath party, or is he actually thinking that the bath party is what's going to continue going on?
[00:19:58]  I think that, based on the context that I've gleaned from listening to the rest of this episode, I believe that Alex thinks that the CIA is running the bath party and all the people with Saddam and all this.
[00:20:11]  Saddam was allowed to get away to some island somewhere.
[00:20:14]  Okay.
[00:20:15]  Okay.
[00:20:16]  How did that work out?
[00:20:18]  How did that prediction work out?
[00:20:19]  Didn't go great.
[00:20:20]  Didn't go great?
[00:20:21]  Didn't end up correct.
[00:20:22]  He was in a hole.
[00:20:23]  But he, Alex, I think he thinks that the Bath Party loyalists and folks who the CIA were trained up and all this will pretend that they weren't part of the Bath Party or whatever, and then they will become people who are the puppets for the U.S. within Iraq moving forward.
[00:20:40]  Okay, so he didn't assume that the CIA would betray them like they always do?
[00:20:44]  I think that that's where he's going.
[00:20:47]  And that actually is one of the things When I was listening to this, I'm like, that's actually something I really want to track.
[00:20:53]  I'm interested to see how Alex's tone goes during the debathification.
[00:20:59]  Yeah, that is interesting.
[00:21:00]  Because should he be for or against it?
[00:21:03]  I don't know.
[00:21:04]  That's a really good question.
[00:21:05]  That requires a nuance that Alex is absolutely incapable of now.
[00:21:09]  2003 Alex, I think, is still incapable of it, but I'm interested to find out.
[00:21:14]  Because at this point, it seems like he's opposed based on this.
[00:21:18]  To the Bath Party members being allowed in the government.
[00:21:21]  Yes, right.
[00:21:22]  But then, based on his political ideology, he should be super against how the blanket banning of Bath Party members from all sorts of positions of influence went down.
[00:21:30]  Yeah.
[00:21:30]  It just seems like he can't possibly be for either.
[00:21:34]  Yeah.
[00:21:34]  What could possibly...
[00:21:37]  Oh, I know what could...
[00:21:38]  The only thing that Alex could be for is, like, we forced all of them to believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior now.
[00:21:46]  You're coming at this with too much of a 2021, Alex Jones.
[00:21:49]  You're right, but I'm bitter and angry.
[00:21:52]  What am I supposed to do, Dan?
[00:21:53]  I understand, but we have to look at this through, like, obviously you can't have perfectly naive eyes.
[00:22:00]  Sure.
[00:22:00]  But you have to look at this as, like, a different time frame.
[00:22:04]  As a different person.
[00:22:05]  It's a different person.
[00:22:06]  Well, it's the same person.
[00:22:07]  Well, it's the same person.
[00:22:08]  And you'll see a lot of similarities.
[00:22:09]  Okay, well, see, now this is why I'm bitter and angry!
[00:22:12]  Sure.
[00:22:12]  Yeah.
[00:22:14]  One of the things I noticed while I was listening to this is that he is definitely way more doing a radio show.
[00:22:20]  And he goes to calls, and then he'll get back to a story, and then later get back to some calls.
[00:22:25]  Like, he jumps around like a lot of normal talk radio shows do.
[00:22:29]  It's a radio show, yeah.
[00:22:29]  And he's just doing a fucking Rush impression.
[00:22:32]  Like, this is outrageous.
[00:22:34]  You go to places where you can't go and buy a gun and have one in your house, legally and lawfully, you got a lot of crime!
[00:22:41]  Now that's a fact, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:22:43]  That cannot be ignored or avoided.
[00:22:47]  And we know that when a state has a low threshold of gun control, where you have more liberty and some semblance of a Second Amendment left, you have the lowest crime rates.
[00:23:01]  Because even a crackhead or junkie won't invade your home when you're there, because they know there's a...
[00:23:10]  50-50 chance they're gonna get killed!
[00:23:13]  So I heard that and I was just like, this is just Alex doing an impression of right-wing talk.
[00:23:17]  That's not Alex either.
[00:23:18]  That's brutal, yeah.
[00:23:19]  And that sort of more guns is less crime kind of thing, that's a talking point we've covered exhaustively because he talks about it all the time throughout all of his career.
[00:23:26]  It's not true.
[00:23:27]  But when I was listening to this, I felt like I can see how someone would hear that and believe it.
[00:23:34]  Yeah.
[00:23:34]  Because it intuitively makes sense.
[00:23:37]  Yeah.
[00:23:37]  That why, if I were a criminal, why would I risk going somewhere where someone has a gun as opposed to somewhere where someone doesn't have a gun?
[00:23:45]  Sure.
[00:23:45]  That makes intuitive sense.
[00:23:47]  Yeah.
[00:23:47]  And if you have someone like Alex saying this authoritatively and almost sort of mocking the alternative.
[00:23:53]  Right.
[00:23:54]  Why wouldn't you just assume, well, this guy knows what he's talking about.
[00:23:56]  It makes sense.
[00:23:57]  Yeah.
[00:23:58]  But, you know, sometimes intuitive things are incorrect.
[00:24:01]  Yeah, I mean, it's the same way that people think about the death penalty of like, well, if the consequence is so high, then that should act as a deterrent.
[00:24:11]  In the same, you know, it makes sense of the macro where it's like, well, obviously we're not getting into a nuclear war because of mutually assured destruction.
[00:24:19]  So that's a deterrent against doing that.
[00:24:22]  But they, you know...
[00:24:23]  You're fucking hungry, man.
[00:24:25]  You know, like, that's a bigger deal than whether or not you're researching the possibility that this home, you need to do, you know, like, that kind of thing.
[00:24:34]  Yeah.
[00:24:35]  It doesn't make sense in the micro level.
[00:24:36]  No.
[00:24:37]  Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
[00:24:38]  Yeah.
[00:24:39]  So, George Bush, how would you describe his politics, like, on the spectrum of right to left?
[00:24:46]  Um...
[00:24:46]  Oh, boy.
[00:24:48]  I would put him in the, like...
[00:24:51]  Not far right.
[00:24:53]  Not center right.
[00:24:55]  That sweet spot of like, yeah, I want to kill everybody, but I want them to think I'm nice while I do it.
[00:25:01]  Would you call him conservative?
[00:25:02]  Uh, compared to now?
[00:25:05]  Yes.
[00:25:06]  Well, you're wrong on all counts.
[00:25:09]  Oh, okay.
[00:25:09]  Bush isn't conservative.
[00:25:10]  His cabinet isn't conservative.
[00:25:12]  They are the most socialistic creatures ever seen in U.S. history, but they're just puppets carrying out the agenda.
[00:25:19]  If you had Al Gore in office, things would be worse than it was under Clinton.
[00:25:23]  And whoever's in office next, it's going to be worse than under George W. Because they're puppets, they're frontmen.
[00:25:30]  Yeah, so he's a super socialist.
[00:25:32]  Yeah, he's a super socialist.
[00:25:34]  He's the most socialistic creature in history.
[00:25:37]  And all of Bush's cabinet, too.
[00:25:39]  Okay, alright.
[00:25:41]  Oh boy, that's not good.
[00:25:44]  That cabinet, see now that's a cabinet filled with pure psychopaths.
[00:25:49]  That's the thing about George W. Bush.
[00:25:51]  I don't think he gave a shit.
[00:25:53]  I think he just filled his cabinet with a shit ton of psychopaths who wanted to murder.
[00:25:57]  Let's see if we can surround this team, just get it full of weirdos.
[00:26:01]  Yeah, four out of at least four of the people in George Bush's cabinet had personally strangled a person.
[00:26:08]  You know, like that kind of level of psychopathy.
[00:26:11]  Really excited to see the 2004 election happen.
[00:26:16]  Anyway, this next clip I think is wild, because Alex is talking about how he doesn't feel bad for Saddam, which obviously, I guess that means that he doesn't feel bad that Saddam's missing or out of power.
[00:26:30]  It's hard to feel bad.

=== Mocking Food Supply Protection (06:40) ===

[00:26:31]  Sure.
[00:26:32]  For Saddam.
[00:26:33]  But Alex...
[00:26:34]  Based on things he says later, I think he thinks he's on an island somewhere.
[00:26:37]  So, I mean, obviously you don't feel bad for him.
[00:26:39]  Well, I mean, it's not like Saddam was Napoleon, where they're like, okay, we gotta exile you.
[00:26:44]  That's our solution to this problem.
[00:26:46]  Yeah, and then Alex gives voice to some stuff that I can actually, you know, appreciate.
[00:26:51]  That is that he feels bad for the citizens in Iraq.
[00:26:54]  The people on the ground who are being affected by this stuff.
[00:26:59]  But, if you pay attention to this...
[00:27:02]  This is one of these indications that you can get that, Alex, even this empathetic kind of vibe that seems really grounded and decent is actually rooted in just fervent anti-government sentiment.
[00:27:16]  Of course Saddam is a bucket of trash.
[00:27:20]  Of course he's evil.
[00:27:22]  The CIA hired him, folks, and 58 is a hitman.
[00:27:25]  Told him to invade Kuwait.
[00:27:26]  I mean, yeah, he's a bad guy, folks.
[00:27:28]  So I'm not sad for Saddam.
[00:27:31]  I am sad for the Iraqi people that are being mowed down in large piles by the hundreds if they dare to protest and one child throws a rock.
[00:27:39]  I am sad for the U.S. citizen, the young college girl, unarmed, run over by a bulldozer.
[00:27:45]  He then savagely backed back over her in the giant armored army bulldozer.
[00:27:51]  I am sad for the AP and Reuters cameramen that are being shot by Israeli snipers in the head as they wear vests that say press.
[00:27:59]  I am sad for the police officers killed by their own SWAT team members.
[00:28:04]  I am sad for the people being shut down by corrupt cops and having guns planted on them.
[00:28:11]  I am sad, ladies and gentlemen, for the people being abused by government worldwide.
[00:28:17]  It's all in service of just strong anti-government positions.
[00:28:21]  Yeah, I don't see him caring as much now about the hundreds of millions that were slaughtered by the United States government.
[00:28:29]  But, you know, what are you gonna do?
[00:28:31]  No, I can't expect him to continue caring about these people.
[00:28:35]  It's over after today.
[00:28:37]  Yeah, and that's part of the reason that I think it's really interesting, because he's saying a lot of the things that are right, but it doesn't feel like it comes from a place of any, like...
[00:28:46]  Solid center to it.
[00:28:48]  It doesn't feel like it's based on intrinsic belief as much as it is on...
[00:28:54]  Well, I guess it is, but the intrinsic belief is opposition to government.
[00:28:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:58]  I'm a little bit taken aback because it seems...
[00:29:02]  I want to say that this is a slicker show already.
[00:29:06]  A little bit.
[00:29:06]  I mean, that's because I was completely out of control in the present day.
[00:29:09]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:29:10]  But it's hard to like...
[00:29:13]  Oh, well, see, just because he's...
[00:29:16]  I would say it's almost more disingenuous by being a slicker show.
[00:29:22]  Yeah, I agree with that.
[00:29:24]  And I think that that's part of the reason why I feel reinvigorated by this.
[00:29:28]  Yeah.
[00:29:29]  Because I can see how someone would believe it.
[00:29:32]  Yeah.
[00:29:32]  I can see how someone, like, listening to a clip like that, could be like, yeah, this guy gets it.
[00:29:37]  Yeah, he does get it.
[00:29:38]  It is fucked up that US troops are killing civilians overseas.
[00:29:42]  That is fucked up.
[00:29:44]  Yeah.
[00:29:44]  And that is the way that Alex baits the hook to get people to fall into his anti-government shit.
[00:29:52]  Totally.
[00:29:52]  No, it seems reasonable.
[00:29:54]  It's so disingenuous and so evil.
[00:30:02]  Just evil.
[00:30:04]  You know, to hide your, like, I'm a Joan Bircher behind, like, hey, it's wrong to kill civilians.
[00:30:10]  Because his answer is, yeah, it's wrong to kill civilians until I want to.
[00:30:15]  You know, it's that kind of situation.
[00:30:17]  And he just leaves out that last part, which in the present day, he kind of leaves it in.
[00:30:23]  Yeah, he mostly leaves it in.
[00:30:25]  Yeah, he mostly leaves it in now.
[00:30:26]  Yeah.
[00:30:28]  We'll get to a lot more of this overt trickery, because I think you see some pretty stark examples of it later on.
[00:30:34]  And actually, the John Birch Society comes up later in an interesting way.
[00:30:38]  But before we get there, Alex has another headline.
[00:30:41]  This is about Tom Ridge, Homeland Security, wanting to institute...
[00:30:46]  An ID system for livestock.
[00:30:49]  Sure.
[00:30:49]  Due to a concern largely about vulnerabilities within the food chain.
[00:30:56]  Sure.
[00:30:56]  The ability to know if there's a diseased cattle somewhere that causes blah, blah, blah.
[00:31:01]  Right.
[00:31:02]  So Alex reads this headline, and apparently it's all about, like, more taxes or something.
[00:31:07]  Ridge favors national ID system for livestock.
[00:31:09]  Do you know how bad this is?
[00:31:11]  A whole layer of government bureaucracy in your life harassing you.
[00:31:17]  Taxing you, oh yes, a whole new bureaucracy knowing everything you've got.
[00:31:21]  Your cats, your dogs will be pigs, sheep, goats, cows, horses, a whole layer of tax.
[00:31:30]  You'll have a registration fee every year on your animal, but it's to keep the homeland and the food supply safe.
[00:31:38]  Seems to be mocking the idea of protecting the food supply.
[00:31:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:42]  Now, that's interesting, because that does fit the tone of some of the rest of his coverage throughout the show, but what it doesn't fit is the tone of one of his commercials.
[00:31:51]  Are you prepared?
[00:31:52]  Seems that more terrorism on our soil is inevitable.
[00:31:55]  Chemical attacks, biological, nuclear, who knows for sure what dangers lie ahead for America.
[00:32:00]  Recent articles have pointed to vulnerability in our agricultural industry.
[00:32:03]  An attack on our food supply would be devastating.
[00:32:06]  Jerry Guidetti from the ARC Institute has been alerting people to this very real possibility for years.
[00:32:11]  Yeah, so I...
[00:32:12]  It's so weird.
[00:32:13]  Okay, alright.
[00:32:14]  I can see how conflicting messages would cause problems for early listeners to the show.
[00:32:21]  Yeah, I was listening to this and it seemed very bizarre.
[00:32:23]  It's like, okay, your editorial's out of sync with your advertising at this point.
[00:32:27]  That's why you're not raking in the cash.
[00:32:29]  That could be an issue.
[00:32:30]  Yeah, that could be a problem.
[00:32:32]  Very weird.
[00:32:33]  Ted Anderson is still selling crap.
[00:32:35]  To his show.
[00:32:36]  Selling, that's a survival seed company.
[00:32:40]  Ah.
[00:32:40]  So obviously it would be in their best interest from an advertising perspective to drum up the fears of the damage to the food chain and the food supply.
[00:32:50]  Meanwhile, Alex has an interest politically in painting that as more government and more taxes.

=== Dodgeball Debates (11:24) ===

[00:32:56]  Of course.
[00:32:56]  They're going to tax your cat.
[00:32:57]  Yeah.
[00:32:58]  He says, loving ice.
[00:33:02]  So, you know, I don't know, man.
[00:33:04]  When you were in school, did you like playing games at recess?
[00:33:10]  Yeah.
[00:33:10]  Did you ever play Foursquare?
[00:33:12]  Sure.
[00:33:12]  Foursquare was great.
[00:33:13]  No black magic, no cherry bombs.
[00:33:15]  No black magic.
[00:33:16]  If you threw a cherry bomb, you're out.
[00:33:19]  You're kicked out because then you have to chase after the ball.
[00:33:21]  I don't even remember what any of that means, but I remember exhaustive conversations.
[00:33:26]  There were a lot of rules.
[00:33:27]  That was the beginning of when you first find out about the kid who's like...
[00:33:33]  Oh no, he's gonna take his ball, isn't he?
[00:33:36]  He's gonna take his ball!
[00:33:37]  Oh shit, now we don't know how, now we have nothing to play with!
[00:33:40]  I remembered the conversation of rules more than I remember Foursquare itself.
[00:33:45]  Totally.
[00:33:46]  Well, here's the good news.
[00:33:47]  Foursquare's still legal.
[00:33:48]  However, dodgeball has been banned.
[00:33:51]  All over?
[00:33:52]  Maybe you haven't heard, but it's been on television.
[00:33:55]  I know schools right here in Texas, parents right here in Texas that have called in on the show about it.
[00:34:00]  It's been in the news.
[00:34:02]  Dodgeball has been banned almost nationwide.
[00:34:06]  I remember our favorite game.
[00:34:08]  In fact, the girls, the kids that weren't that big, the Runch, everybody loved Dodgeball.
[00:34:14]  I mean, everybody went hooray to play it.
[00:34:17]  Everyone loved it.
[00:34:19]  And if somebody didn't like it, that's the way sports are.
[00:34:22]  That's the way P.E. should be when you're 6 years old, 7 years old, 8 years old, 10, 12. You should play, I guess, when you're about 10 or 12. They banned it.
[00:34:31]  And then I read a report about a month ago where they arrested kids, two or three of them, criminal charges of assault, because they would meet before school.
[00:34:41]  I remember doing stuff like this, but we would wrestle.
[00:34:45]  We would wrestle and knock our teeth out and break our noses, and the coaches would come around and go, you guys watch it, you're going to get hurt.
[00:34:53]  Do that on the mats with your headgear.
[00:34:55]  Get in here, I'm giving you a swat.
[00:34:58]  You know, they'd take you to the nurse and fix your lip, and then you'd get a pop for wrestling without headgear.
[00:35:05]  But the point is, now the kids will secretly get behind the school with their dodgeballs.
[00:35:12]  Just a little bit of freedom.
[00:35:13]  I can't find any stories about students getting arrested for pre-school hours dodgeball games.
[00:35:22]  That's such a...
[00:35:23]  I hate that shit so much.
[00:35:26]  Like, one, It seems silly now not to realize that dodgeball at that age is essentially a way to facilitate bullying.
[00:35:34]  Yes.
[00:35:35]  It's like, I'm happy playing dodgeball as an adult.
[00:35:38]  That makes perfect sense.
[00:35:40]  We all know the game.
[00:35:41]  We're all doing a great job.
[00:35:42]  As a kid, you're just like so many guys just picked on the smallest.
[00:35:46]  Alex is like, everybody loved to play the game.
[00:35:49]  He wasn't the runt!
[00:35:51]  Yeah.
[00:35:52]  You know?
[00:35:53]  I think it is a game that can get abusive.
[00:35:56]  Yeah.
[00:35:57]  And I understand people not wanting to play it, and they shouldn't be forced to play it.
[00:36:01]  Totally not.
[00:36:01]  But I guess if people want to play during recess, I don't know.
[00:36:03]  That's great.
[00:36:04]  I don't believe that it's been banned almost nationwide.
[00:36:09]  No, no, no.
[00:36:09]  There aren't arrests happening if you play dodgeball.
[00:36:12]  But I do think it's interesting the different way that Alex is talking about his school day's violence here in 2003.
[00:36:18]  Totally.
[00:36:20]  Dark.
[00:36:20]  No, at no point in time did I hear him say he stomped a guy's guts out.
[00:36:26]  Yeah, no, if we take the present day understanding of Alex's former violent tendencies where he murdered a couple people.
[00:36:32]  Yeah, a little bit different.
[00:36:34]  Seems weird that he'd be sitting here in 2003 laughing whimsically about...
[00:36:38]  Come on, we used to have little scrapes back in the day.
[00:36:41]  Now granted, I murdered.
[00:36:42]  I did kill him.
[00:36:43]  I did kill him.
[00:36:44]  I hate those fucking stories so much of like, oh, when I grew up, we used to go out back and we'd get hit with a switch if we got in trouble.
[00:36:52]  And we turned out fine.
[00:36:53]  And you're like, you guys are all legitimately insane.
[00:36:57]  Everything you believe is nonsense.
[00:36:59]  You did not turn out fine.
[00:37:01]  Do not tell me that story and then not connect it to your violent present.
[00:37:06]  And that's why they're banning dodgeball.
[00:37:08]  Of course.
[00:37:08]  Now, do you think anyone has been arrested for this is going to...
[00:37:12]  This is a trivia question that is very important.
[00:37:14]  All right.
[00:37:15]  Do you think anyone's been arrested for musical chairs?
[00:37:17]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:37:18]  30 to 40 people at a time, daily.
[00:37:21]  You've probably heard they're making musical chairs.
[00:37:25]  You can't play musical chairs.
[00:37:27]  Now, there haven't been arrests made for musical chairs.
[00:37:29]  Oh, shit, I was wrong!
[00:37:30]  There are arrests for secretly playing dodgeball or tag.
[00:37:32]  I forgot.
[00:37:34]  Tag 2 has been banned.
[00:37:36]  Tag, you get arrested for playing tag.
[00:37:38]  Then why the hell did you bring...
[00:37:42]  Bring up Tag!
[00:37:43]  You did.
[00:37:44]  I know, but why did you bring up?
[00:37:45]  No arrests for musical chairs.
[00:37:49]  I would like statistics on that.
[00:37:50]  Does the FBI publish musical chairs-related arrests?
[00:37:55]  Yeah, it's from the Bureau of Statistics.
[00:37:58]  Does the ATF also take care of that?
[00:38:01]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:38:04]  I mean, I feel like, as I recall, musical chairs can get a little bit physical, but it's not supposed to.
[00:38:09]  Like, if some kid is fighting with somebody over a chair, that's a behavioral issue.
[00:38:14]  Everybody goes, okay, well, we gotta deal with this now.
[00:38:17]  This was unintended.
[00:38:19]  This is not part of the game.
[00:38:21]  So Alex is pretty deep into a conversation about what you can and can't do at schools and how the government is cracking down.
[00:38:27]  Oh, that government.
[00:38:28]  Now they have gone too far.
[00:38:29]  Well, here it is.
[00:38:30]  Banned on campus, boys talking to girls, World Net Daily, elementary students protest restriction after showing public signs of affection.
[00:38:39]  Sixth grade girls protest, photo, herald, and news newspaper, and it shows dozens of young sixth grade girls with signs saying, allow us to talk to boys.
[00:38:51]  Smiling, pat on the shoulder, could lead to criminal charges.
[00:38:58]  Okay, everything's criminal now.
[00:39:00]  So that's a good story.
[00:39:04]  How are we still doing this?
[00:39:06]  So this is a story out of Portland, Peterson Elementary School in specific.
[00:39:09]  What happened was that there was a teacher at the school who witnessed some non-specified public displays of affection at recess and decided as a preventative measure that they needed to disallow girls and boys from talking during recess.
[00:39:22]  Obviously, this is taking things a little bit far, but also, Alex is completely blowing this story out of proportion, pretending that if a boy talked to a girl, he'd get arrested on criminal charges.
[00:39:32]  That's totally made up, because I suspect even Alex knows that talking about this story on the merits of it might come off as a little desperate in terms of trying to make your audience outraged.
[00:39:41]  A little silly.
[00:39:41]  Honestly, he's missing the forest for the trees here, and there's a much, much better story to be told.
[00:39:47]  That is the story of Sarah Maines and Hannah Guerrero, two 12-year-old girls at the school who took issue with the rule that got made and protested against it.
[00:39:56]  Sarah and Hannah straight-up formed a student committee, studied the school's rules, and figured out the proper steps to get a complaint heard.
[00:40:03]  They got all the protesting students'parents to sign off on letting them demonstrate, then held a protest to have their complaint heard.
[00:40:09]  Sarah's mother puts it so well in this article from the Herald and News.
[00:40:13]  Quote, I'm so proud of my daughter.
[00:40:15]  The hardest part was to walk into that school after protesting like that.
[00:40:18]  She stood up for herself.
[00:40:19]  I think she learned something important.
[00:40:21]  Yeah, it is nice to know that no matter what era we're in...
[00:40:26]  It is a universal rule that children are way better people than adults by a wide margin.
[00:40:32]  Also, the principal of the school said, quote, no disciplinary action would be taken against the protesters, and he's willing to hear any complaints from students and parents.
[00:40:40]  What you basically have here is a situation where a teacher possibly and probably overreacted to something that they were right to be concerned about.
[00:40:47]  This led to an overly broad rule being put in place, which got students to become active in opposition to it.
[00:40:53]  These kids learned how to appropriately and effectively have their voices heard, how to present an argument through proper channels to power.
[00:40:59]  It's honestly an amazing story, and I'm so impressed by these kids.
[00:41:02]  Yeah, it really is an amazing story.
[00:41:04]  What a bunch of...
[00:41:05]  This story that is really inspirational is absent from coverage in places like Infowars because the story isn't real to Alex.
[00:41:13]  It's a prop, and for this to be an effective prop, he has to distort details to make it something the government was doing to these kids, as opposed to an iffy administrative decision.
[00:41:22]  It makes me kind of sad because the Infowars audience is deprived of hearing this story about students getting involved in direct civic action solely because focusing on that too much makes it clear this whole thing about flirting becoming a...
[00:41:35]  Criminal act is complete bullshit, and that bullshit is how he keeps the audience engaged in outrage.
[00:41:40]  Well, I mean, the story is essentially a microcosm of the people taking on the government exactly like Alex would want them to do, theoretically.
[00:41:51]  However, that would be bad for his audience to actually take civic action to change things, because then he would run out of money.
[00:41:59]  Yeah, the students who were protesting here didn't...
[00:42:02]  You know, try and change the government by sending money to a blowhard student in the class.
[00:42:09]  There wasn't one student in the class who yelled a whole bunch.
[00:42:12]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:13]  And then they were like, I'll take care of it for you.
[00:42:16]  I'm the tip of the spear going against this teacher here.
[00:42:18]  Send me money.
[00:42:20]  One student had written a pamphlet that it was selling.
[00:42:24]  Yeah, that would be who Alex is.
[00:42:26]  Hold the teacher's horse.
[00:42:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:28]  Oh, she's just in it for the apples.
[00:42:30]  How does this still work?
[00:42:32]  I think that's why I'm a little depressed about going back to 2003, because how do adults still get caught up in this bullshit?
[00:42:41]  Look at this.
[00:42:42]  It's the same story that we're hearing about now.
[00:42:45]  Yeah, it is.
[00:42:46]  It's the same story.
[00:42:47]  Well, because I think...
[00:42:48]  It's the same shit, and adults...
[00:42:50]  Adults are still, like, at no point in time are they like, oh, have I heard this exact same thing 20 years ago and I'm fine?
[00:42:58]  Well, yeah, but I think that you forget.
[00:43:00]  I mean, the war on Christmas happens every year.
[00:43:02]  Sure, sure, that's true.
[00:43:03]  I think it's one of the evergreen things.
[00:43:06]  The Iraq war happens every year.
[00:43:07]  I think it's one of the evergreen things about the right-wing media ecosystem.
[00:43:10]  It's like these complaints that somehow the, you know...
[00:43:15]  All the kids are being softened at school or whatever.
[00:43:19]  It's just something that will never not elicit a reaction from that audience.
[00:43:23]  Yeah, no, of course, because if they were to hear that the kids weren't fighting at all, they were learning, using their words, organizing, and then making a real change in the world.
[00:43:35]  That would not fit in with their, these kids are soft argument.
[00:43:38]  You know, that would be difficult for them.
[00:43:40]  It would actually make you kind of look like an idiot for fighting instead of learning and organizing and making change.
[00:43:48]  Yeah, and those girls who started that protest, who got the committee going, studied the rules, they accomplished what they set out to accomplish.
[00:43:56]  Yes.
[00:43:57]  And they both grew up to be Michelle Obama.
[00:44:01]  That's one of the important lessons, I think, is being deprived from the audience, and I think that's just unfair.

=== Level 4 Bioweapons Lab (06:23) ===

[00:44:06]  But that's how it's supposed to be.
[00:44:08]  Anyway, Jordan, if you want to get more depressed about thinking about the past and the present, and about how I'm a witch, I would ask you to put your mic down for this next clip.
[00:44:17]  The British government actually released foot and mouth.
[00:44:22]  In fact, two months before the outbreak, they had to admit they had contacted people, the agriculture departments in the counties, and said, get pyres ready, get lots of wood ready to burn piles of dead animals.
[00:44:35]  They said, why?
[00:44:36]  And they said, oh, well, you'll see.
[00:44:38]  And then they admitted the foot and mouth got released from Porton Down Bioweapons Lab.
[00:44:43]  They said by accident someone released it or someone stole it.
[00:44:47]  By the way, that's a level 4 bioweapons lab that has stuff that'll kill specific races of people.
[00:44:53]  Wipe out all whites.
[00:44:55]  Wipe out all blacks.
[00:44:56]  Just amazing.
[00:44:57]  So many similarities to the present.
[00:44:59]  Wow.
[00:45:00]  There's no truth to what Alex is saying, but interestingly, in the aftermath of the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, there were a ton of rumors flying around about how it started.
[00:45:09]  Subsequent investigations have shown that it started on a farm that was feeding its livestock untreated waste, but that didn't stop theories from flying around in the days immediately after the outbreak.
[00:45:18]  One of the popular theories was that there was a vial of this specific strain of foot and mouth that had been stolen from or accidentally released from portland.
[00:45:25]  and down a biological lab in England.
[00:45:28]  Sure.
[00:45:28]  This is an interesting story and it follows essentially the same path as Alex's present day theories about the novel coronavirus.
[00:45:35]  At various points in the early days of the 2020 outbreak, Alex has suggested that it was intentionally or accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and he's also discussed the use of race-specific bioweapons to bolster his claims.
[00:45:48]  Jesus.
[00:45:49]  This is like looking into a funhouse mirror of the past.
[00:45:51]  This is so awful.
[00:45:53]  I'm trying to torture you with this.
[00:45:55]  I mean, because what?
[00:45:56]  Why would you?
[00:45:56]  Like, okay, I get that we're evil as a species or whatever.
[00:46:01]  And people are gonna do, you know, just because something shouldn't exist doesn't mean it's not going to, right?
[00:46:07]  But you can't possibly think it's a good idea.
[00:46:09]  Even if you could make a race-specific bioweapon, you can't think it's a good idea to leave it anywhere.
[00:46:16]  You have to have that in a safe, inside of a safe, inside of another safe surrounded by people who've lost their hands, who can't open it.
[00:46:26]  That kind of shit.
[00:46:27]  If you would ever endeavor to make something so stupid and destructive, you would have to keep it in a parody of security.
[00:46:34]  Yeah!
[00:46:35]  Something that's a force.
[00:46:36]  I mean, it's literally like you're one whoops away from all white people gone.
[00:46:40]  Like, that's not okay.
[00:46:42]  Yeah.
[00:46:43]  And also race-specific bioweapons are real.
[00:46:45]  It's bad.
[00:46:46]  So the Guardian looked at the various theories about the foot-and-mouth outbreak, and the Port-and-Down one was one of the ones that got their attention.
[00:46:52]  Unfortunately for the conspiracy, they spoke to a representative at Port-and-Down who said, quote, we have never worked on foot-and-mouth.
[00:46:58]  That doesn't sound like folks admitting that it was released from there, but yet Alex is on air saying that it's been admitted.
[00:47:04]  It's about what they don't say.
[00:47:06]  That's weird.
[00:47:06]  It's really weird.
[00:47:08]  Kind of like how he always acts.
[00:47:09]  This Guardian article also discusses the revelation that months before the outbreak, people from the Ministry of Agriculture were calling around getting quotes on the price of timber in order to burn diseased animals.
[00:47:19]  That is true.
[00:47:20]  Yeah.
[00:47:21]  Alex is reporting this as them sneakily and cryptically telling farmers to prepare pyres.
[00:47:25]  But that's about the level of accuracy you should expect from Alex.
[00:47:28]  Yeah.
[00:47:28]  It's kind of close to something that's real.
[00:47:31]  But according to The Guardian, quote...
[00:47:34]  Stratfordshire Animal Health Office, part of the Ministry of Agriculture, rang round merchants in the autumn asking for quotes for timber for pyres as part of an animal contingency plan on how to deal with swine fever and foot-and-mouth outbreaks.
[00:47:47]  This is a requirement of all EU countries.
[00:47:50]  It happens every year.
[00:47:51]  So it's not something that's suspicious at all, but Alex has built it into a foot-and-mouth was intentionally released from a level 4 bioweapons lab.
[00:47:58]  Of course.
[00:47:59]  In order to...
[00:48:01]  Oh, boy.
[00:48:02]  That's a story that's more about how England was like, remember when we threw dead bodies in the Thames and then there was disease?
[00:48:13]  We don't do that anymore.
[00:48:15]  It was a smart move on our part.
[00:48:17]  So another sort of mirror glimpse to the present and the past comes in this next clip.
[00:48:23]  Just stylistic, though, instead of content.
[00:48:25]  And I haven't even scratched the surface.
[00:48:27]  I've covered some of the important news.
[00:48:28]  The news is so insane today that I will cover all 100 articles.
[00:48:34]  I'm going to do it.
[00:48:35]  I'm going to do it in the next two hours.
[00:48:38]  And we're going to get to all your calls immediately after this break.
[00:48:41]  It's just always that.
[00:48:44]  Wow.
[00:48:44]  He's always about to get to it.
[00:48:46]  If you say that, there should be a ticker that appears, like, just by magic.
[00:48:52]  Like a hundred stories?
[00:48:53]  Like a hundred, like it's a countdown clock, it just appears.
[00:48:57]  Every day the show ends at 98. If I had, that's like...
[00:49:00]  Got the two stories.
[00:49:01]  That's like my wish, like my genie's wish is just like, nothing, I don't want money, I don't want happiness, I want...
[00:49:09]  Purely just, if you make a claim like, I'm gonna do a hundred things, a ticker appears.
[00:49:14]  The end.
[00:49:15]  Yeah.
[00:49:16]  So Alex does end up going to take some calls, and he gets a call from a guy, and the conversation drifts into talking about the government tracking children via cell phone.
[00:49:26]  Sure.
[00:49:26]  Or tracking people by cell phone, and then using the excuse that it's to protect the kids.
[00:49:31]  Right?
[00:49:31]  Yeah.
[00:49:32]  And then Alex says something weird.
[00:49:34]  But now that they're announcing that we're about to be tracking you, the government says, that, oh, the police locally will watch you through the FEMA command center they built.
[00:49:42]  Now it's, oh, it's for the children.
[00:49:44]  See how they introduced it?
[00:49:45]  It's for the children.
[00:49:46]  It's for the criminals.
[00:49:48]  It's for the minority.
[00:49:50]  It's always for that other group.
[00:49:52]  Go ahead.
[00:49:53]  So that's interesting to me because that's right on the line.
[00:49:58]  That's right on the line.
[00:49:59]  It's always for a minority.
[00:50:02]  Yeah.
[00:50:03]  That's the kind of thing that if you were really uncharitable and ungenerous to him, you'd be like, okay, what minority groups are you talking about here?
[00:50:11]  Is that coded language?

=== Ibm And The Chinese Military (03:07) ===

[00:50:14]  But it's also, if you are...
[00:50:17]  Charitable, you could be like, well, he's just saying that groups that aren't the majority, so criminals are a minority of the population.
[00:50:23]  It's right there on the line.
[00:50:26]  And it's rich for you to be like, oh, see how they do that?
[00:50:29]  They say it's for the children.
[00:50:30]  And then the next breath is like, I only care about the millions of aborted babies.
[00:50:35]  It's about the aborted babies.
[00:50:37]  It's not about controlling women's actions at all.
[00:50:40]  Sure.
[00:50:41]  Yeah.
[00:50:41]  So Alex has some bad financial advice.
[00:50:45]  Although, I will say that he's not saying this as just solid financial advice.
[00:50:51]  There's an ethical component to it.
[00:50:53]  But his audience would have missed out on some money if they took this advice.
[00:50:57]  Hey, you've got to be preemptively down at your county commissioners, your state legislature, calling Washington.
[00:51:03]  You've got to preemptively find out if any of the mutual funds you own own speculative tech stocks like Applied Digital.
[00:51:10]  If you've got Motorola, they're involved in the biochip, IBM.
[00:51:13]  IBM is a, you know, so-called good stock.
[00:51:16]  Well, yeah, it's like buying a piece of Satan.
[00:51:18]  You need to go ahead and dump that stock.
[00:51:20]  It's up from where it was in 2003.
[00:51:23]  I would argue...
[00:51:25]  It's not hugely up, but you'd make a nice bit of money if you'd bought stock in 2003.
[00:51:31]  You'd make maybe a good more than 50% profit.
[00:51:37]  Not bad?
[00:51:38]  No.
[00:51:39]  But the reason that he wants you to get out of it is apparently IBM owns the Chinese military.
[00:51:44]  I did not know that!
[00:51:45]  I would add an addendum to that.
[00:51:48]  IBM owns the Communist Chinese military, owns Applied Digital Solutions, their front company.
[00:51:53]  They don't want to take the heat of being involved in this product, but they are the owners.
[00:51:57]  You know their financial statements, 2000-2001.
[00:52:00]  I think 2002 is out yet.
[00:52:02]  I haven't read it.
[00:52:03]  The Chinese plant is being built for the implantator, injecture, and the chip itself.
[00:52:10]  It's all part of hell on earth.
[00:52:12]  So yeah, apparently there's a Chinese plant that's being built to get the implantator and the implants for the chip that they're going to put in everybody.
[00:52:20]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:52:21]  And IBM owns the Chinese government's military.
[00:52:25]  That is an interesting way to diversify your business, your revenue streams.
[00:52:30]  Yeah, it's like, okay, well, we did pretty good with it.
[00:52:33]  That almost suggests that the computer thing was just a way for them to make enough money to buy the Chinese military.
[00:52:40]  It also introduces a lot of questions that I want answers to, like, has it been sold since?
[00:52:45]  That's a good question.
[00:52:45]  Does IBM still own the Chinese military?
[00:52:47]  Also a good question.
[00:52:48]  What, say, does the Chinese government have?
[00:52:51]  About military decisions.
[00:52:52]  Do they have to check with IBM?
[00:52:53]  Sure.
[00:52:54]  I think one of those shared office space companies wound up buying it.
[00:52:58]  Yeah, I think they wound up buying it.
[00:52:58]  WeWork?
[00:53:02]  They don't have a solid business plan, so they were like, well, we might as well buy a military while we've got the cash.

=== Alex's Dedicated Caller (15:31) ===

[00:53:08]  Yeah.
[00:53:08]  So Alex takes another call, and this guy made me really sad.
[00:53:11]  I mean, I just can't...
[00:53:12]  I'm going to be honest with you.
[00:53:14]  I spend probably about 15 hours a day studying, reviewing articles you put out.
[00:53:19]  That's because you're normal.
[00:53:20]  You're sane.
[00:53:21]  When you read about giant FEMA camps and execution centers, it upsets you.
[00:53:25]  I can't imagine reading for...
[00:53:27]  A number of hours about things that Alex suggests people read and not realizing, oh, this guy's a dumb dumb.
[00:53:34]  Oh, this is full of shit.
[00:53:35]  Yeah.
[00:53:35]  All of this is terrible.
[00:53:36]  I find that really difficult.
[00:53:38]  I don't know what this guy is reading.
[00:53:39]  I don't think he is.
[00:53:40]  I think he's probably reading message boards or something and calling it research.
[00:53:44]  It almost seems like you would learn about how much bullshit it is by osmosis, just by repetition of just like, I've heard this before.
[00:53:53]  I've heard this before.
[00:53:54]  I've heard this before.
[00:53:55]  This guy might be full of shit!
[00:53:57]  Wait, this doesn't say what Alex says?
[00:53:58]  Yeah!
[00:54:00]  Yeah, it just bums me out.
[00:54:02]  And I think it is indicative of how a lot of his listeners and how a lot of people who get into this world, their experience of it is compulsive.
[00:54:11]  Yeah.
[00:54:11]  What he's describing is such a compulsive relationship with this information.
[00:54:16]  I read what you write 15 hours a day.
[00:54:18]  Because you're normal, man.
[00:54:20]  You're normal, bro.
[00:54:20]  Because you're a normal dude.
[00:54:22]  That's how people react to the things that I say.
[00:54:25]  Yeah.
[00:54:26]  So Alex at this point needs to make a programming note.
[00:54:28]  Okay, and that is actually kind of revealing in as much as he is clear, even in 2003, that tragedies bring traffic.
[00:54:37]  I made a comment last weekend that after every time there's a terror event, the listenership peaks, it spikes.
[00:54:46]  Well, obviously, all news, newspaper sales go up, radio listenership goes up for news talk.
[00:54:53]  That always happens.
[00:54:55]  And I made the comment that right after the so-called Iraq war ended, that listenership dropped.
[00:55:01]  And then, you know, that gets picked up and another host says it, another host says it, and basically it ends up we don't have any listeners.
[00:55:09]  That's ridiculous.
[00:55:10]  A little defensive.
[00:55:12]  But I think that this is interesting because at this point he does understand that dynamic of, like, tragedies lead to more people.
[00:55:21]  Viewing my shit.
[00:55:22]  Yeah.
[00:55:22]  Which is a lesson, obviously, he should have learned from 9-11.
[00:55:24]  Yeah.
[00:55:25]  And he should know that by now pretty well.
[00:55:27]  But I question whether he understands at this point fully that obsessing about the immediacy of another tragedy happening soon will also spike his ratings.
[00:55:38]  I think he learns that pretty quickly.
[00:55:40]  Yeah.
[00:55:40]  But it doesn't feel like it at this point.
[00:55:42]  This just feels like a radio show.
[00:55:44]  So he gets another caller, and this guy sent me down a nutso rabbit hole.
[00:55:49]  Insane.
[00:55:50]  Took too much of my time.
[00:55:52]  Okay.
[00:55:52]  I was wondering if I may take this opportunity to see if we can get any signatures on the site that I talked to you before about, if you want to go ahead and announce it.
[00:56:05]  What site is that, Eric?
[00:56:07]  You've got a site, signatures, what, a petition?
[00:56:10]  Yeah, it lists over about 300 grievances.
[00:56:14]  Oh yeah, I read that.
[00:56:15]  You sent that to me.
[00:56:16]  Yeah, a lot of good grievances there.
[00:56:18]  What's the website address?
[00:56:22]  Redeclarationofindependence.com.
[00:56:24]  And then I would imagine it's.com, yeah.
[00:56:25]  You bet.
[00:56:26]  2003 is an interesting time for followers of conspiracy culture and the communities surrounding it.
[00:56:32]  In the present day, extremely far-right tendencies have almost entirely absorbed that space, but it wasn't always like that.
[00:56:40]  So back then, I would be willing to bet that I'd probably agree with some of this caller's suggested new grievances in his post about the government.
[00:56:46]  Okay, okay.
[00:56:47]  Luckily, the Wayback Machine exists, and I was able to find this caller's re-declaration of independence, and perhaps unsurprisingly, I did in fact find some common ground with this guy.
[00:56:56]  Okay.
[00:56:57]  For instance, his first complaint reads, quote, We demand the abolishment of engaging our military in unconstitutional activities, spreading them out as the police of the world while leaving our borders wide open and unprotected.
[00:57:09]  I might have left out the part at the end about the border since it has nothing to do with the main point of unconstitutional engagements of the military, but leaving that aside, we agree that the government's gotta stop this war stuff.
[00:57:19]  True.
[00:57:19]  A little bit later, we find even more agreement.
[00:57:21]  Quote, We demand the abolishment of all instances of murdering citizens completely within their rights and destroying and refusing to disclose evidence in these crimes.
[00:57:30]  I would even expand that language to include non-citizen residents, but we're on the same page.
[00:57:34]  Cop shouldn't be killing people.
[00:57:35]  Yeah, it's important to remember that that's where those people were, and now they're at Blue Lives Matter, you know?
[00:57:42]  You don't know what this guy's up to.
[00:57:43]  Sure!
[00:57:44]  So, this whole agreeing thing falls apart pretty quick, since it immediately dovetails into complaints about UN treaties and calling for abolishing, quote, the post office, public education, and Amtrak.
[00:57:54]  Oh, so we're Ron Pauling it.
[00:57:56]  A little bit.
[00:57:56]  Okay.
[00:57:57]  This document completely goes off the rails with words like TREASON starting to pop up in all capital letters.
[00:58:03]  That's where we get into trouble.
[00:58:04]  Once you all caps a word, you are...
[00:58:07]  Yeah.
[00:58:07]  Apparently, part of the redeclaration of independence is charging any individual or industry that traded with North Vietnam, China, Russia, Iraq, or any of their satellite countries with treason.
[00:58:18]  This extends to literally everyone who worked in things like steel or petroleum industries, but also to everyone who's been in elected office in...
[00:58:28]  Yeah, you might as well just rewrite that to say, we gotta clean house and get rid of all these guys.
[00:58:36]  And past.
[00:58:37]  Yeah, let's begin at the 16th century and we'll start over.
[00:58:41]  The document demands, quote, all who served in these political positions during any of the times of armed conflict in question from the Korean War to this date be stripped of any retirement or other compensation.
[00:58:52]  I'm guessing that's in addition to the treason charges.
[00:58:54]  What about people who supported the Civil War?
[00:58:58]  The South, huh?
[00:58:59]  Do they get treason charges?
[00:59:01]  No, it's before the Federal Reserve.
[00:59:05]  Okay, well, that's fair.
[00:59:06]  The thing is, this is nuts.
[00:59:07]  This document is nuts.
[00:59:09]  And it's hilarious for Alex to pretend that he's read it trying to humor this caller.
[00:59:13]  I'm certain that Alex didn't read it, but honestly, it's so much funnier to imagine that he had, and was still giving this guy a glowing review.
[00:59:20]  You see, here's how the new Declaration of Independence ends, with a suggestion of what they should do next.
[00:59:26]  Quote, we hereby petition for a renewal of government removed entirely from Washington, D.C. and reconstituted in another region of the land.
[00:59:35]  And at least temporarily at first, during its beginnings, this new government for and of the people will be situated and redeveloped from Austin, Texas, the birthplace of the new people's house with an initial.
[00:59:46]  mailing address of bleep.
[00:59:48]  I'll just bleep it out.
[00:59:48]  Okay.
[00:59:49]  Okay.
[00:59:49]  A new government will be birthed for the free world, led initially and temporarily by the following patriots of this new age.
[00:59:56]  Alex Jones?
[00:59:56]  He names Alex Jones?
[00:59:58]  Oh no!
[00:59:59]  Oh no!
[01:00:01]  Top of the list?
[01:00:02]  Yep.
[01:00:03]  Oh, shit.
[01:00:25]  Well, this wasn't that much farther after Mallrats.
[01:00:29]  Wrong Kevin Smith.
[01:00:31]  What?
[01:00:32]  It's not the view askew Kevin Smith.
[01:00:34]  So this guy wants to overthrow the government, reconstitute it in Austin, and have Alex and some of Alex's friends temporarily rule this new blossoming government.
[01:00:42]  That's amazing.
[01:00:43]  Yeah.
[01:00:44]  In case you don't know those names, Mike Hansen was Alex's longtime cameraman and producer.
[01:00:49]  Kevin Smith worked at InfoWars, and George Humphrey and Bob Dassey were regular InfoWars guests.
[01:00:54]  The new Politburo is just employees of InfoWars.
[01:00:58]  Yeah, except for Chris Athanas.
[01:01:00]  I don't know who that is.
[01:01:01]  And Eric Rainbolt.
[01:01:03]  I was like, who the fuck is that?
[01:01:04]  And then I realized, it's this caller.
[01:01:10]  Well, you're not gonna not insert yourself into the Politburo.
[01:01:13]  So, if you Google the address that he lists as the temporary address of the new government of America, you'll find that it's listed as the publishing address for a 2005 book titled The Free Masonic Architecture of History, self-published by Eric Rainbolt.
[01:01:28]  It's Eric Rainbolt's house.
[01:01:29]  It's Eric Rainbolt's house.
[01:01:30]  Well, hold on.
[01:01:34]  Uh-huh.
[01:01:38]  He's also the proprietor of 911exposed.com.
[01:01:40]  Sure.
[01:01:41]  The real mystery here though, is that the name of the person listed as the owner of that house doesn't match with Eric Rainbolt.
[01:01:46]  So I felt like I was at a dead end, but my curiosity was itching too strongly.
[01:01:50]  Was this caller the person who wrote the new declaration of independence, imagining a new government forming at his house in Austin, where he gets to rule alongside Alex?
[01:01:59]  It's really complicated, but I looked into the phone numbers and addresses listed for the publishing endeavor, and I'm pretty certain that it is this dude.
[01:02:05]  It was actually written under Eric Thunderwater.
[01:02:09]  I found the phone number that's associated with it.
[01:02:12]  It's someone else's phone number, but also it's a house phone.
[01:02:16]  It's associated with someone named James Rainbolt, but Eric Rainbolt has published- Still living with his dad.
[01:02:21]  No.
[01:02:22]  Oh, okay.
[01:02:23]  I don't know.
[01:02:23]  Maybe.
[01:02:24]  Okay, maybe.
[01:02:24]  Eric Rainbolt has written a couple of other books under the name Eric James Rainbolt.
[01:02:31]  So anyway, I'm pretty sure it's him.
[01:02:32]  Alright, yeah, that would probably be him.
[01:02:34]  This is a stupid long road for me to wander down, but the reason I still think it's important is because there's some fairly critical things that me and this guy would totally agree about.
[01:02:43]  We would both want to end the Iraq War, and we both want greater oversight on police, but it's...
[01:02:48]  Pretty crucial to recognize that despite our differences, we aren't even close to allies, nor could we ever be.
[01:02:54]  Ultimately, I want to create a world that operates better and more fairly for everyone.
[01:02:58]  And ultimately, this guy wants to be on Alex Jones' small council.
[01:03:01]  Yeah.
[01:03:02]  Also, this guy ended up with 75 signatures on his petition at the point of the last screenshot in the Wayback Machine.
[01:03:08]  Available, this date was from July 2010, so I'm not sure exposure on Alex's show did much to help that petition.
[01:03:15]  I would argue that maybe...
[01:03:16]  75 signatures!
[01:03:17]  That's not good.
[01:03:18]  They might have read it and got to the point where it's like, what the fuck?
[01:03:21]  Alex is in charge of the government?
[01:03:22]  Along with...
[01:03:23]  The guy who wrote this?
[01:03:24]  Yeah.
[01:03:25]  The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if they also want to establish a fucking Game of Thrones style, I'm the hand of the king for Alex Jones situation.
[01:03:37]  Yeah, a bizarro, religious, extreme, libertarian, nonsense fantasy land where Alex and some of his guests rule the roost.
[01:03:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:45]  I'm out.
[01:03:46]  I don't think so.
[01:03:47]  I, too, am against war, but I will choose other people to work on that issue.
[01:03:52]  Yeah.
[01:03:53]  Anyway, this was kind of what I was like, I'm sure that's this guy.
[01:03:58]  And then...
[01:03:59]  Let's talk to Eric in Texas.
[01:04:01]  Eric, you're on the air.
[01:04:02]  Go ahead, sir.
[01:04:03]  That was the beginning of the call.
[01:04:04]  It is Eric.
[01:04:04]  It is Eric.
[01:04:05]  Yeah.
[01:04:05]  Okay.
[01:04:06]  So anyway, Alex gets another call.
[01:04:10]  Uh-huh.
[01:04:10]  And this guy is kind of interesting.
[01:04:12]  This fella has a plan for dealing with some of the media that he doesn't like.
[01:04:18]  Folks like Hannity.
[01:04:20]  Yeah.
[01:04:20]  These folks.
[01:04:21]  Who are not conservative, apparently.
[01:04:23]  I'll make them put the lotion in the basket.
[01:04:26]  No, we need to dig up dirt.
[01:04:27]  Okay.
[01:04:28]  Your listeners who are very intelligent and very capable people, many of them have, I'm sure, computers and know how to use them very well, you can access a lot of public domain information.
[01:04:38]  It's all quite legal.
[01:04:40]  And I think that we should start a campaign of accessing as much public domain information about all these suspect broadcast individuals as we can.
[01:04:50]  Case in point, I don't know if you or your listeners are aware, but Sean Hannity was a troublemaking adolescent who came from a Long Island, New York community.
[01:04:59]  That's a very interesting thing.
[01:05:00]  Maybe that needs to be looked into further, and it tells you something about what the real makeup of this man is.
[01:05:06]  Michael Savage, who you mentioned, the guy used to hang out in the late 50s in beatnik bars in Greenwich Village, New York.
[01:05:14]  Well, that's one of the major articles.
[01:05:16]  He's a beatnik communist.
[01:05:18]  That's admitted.
[01:05:19]  So, Michael Savage is a beatnik communist.
[01:05:22]  Wow.
[01:05:23]  Alright, here's what we do, guys.
[01:05:25]  We gotta blackmail Hannity and Michael Savage with their child records.
[01:05:31]  It's really interesting that you think that that's a potent way to attack these figures on the right that you don't like and apparently aren't on the right.
[01:05:39]  I found out public records that Sean Hannity got a D in his civics class.
[01:05:44]  Is that the type of person we want on the radio, Dan?
[01:05:47]  It is over.
[01:05:48]  For him.
[01:05:49]  He's hashtag cancelled.
[01:05:51]  He's toast!
[01:05:52]  This is cancel culture.
[01:05:53]  Yeah, this is cancel culture!
[01:05:54]  That's literally what the right does!
[01:05:56]  Oh, man.
[01:05:58]  Anyway, I just think it's really weird to hear this kind of ploy being suggested by this caller.
[01:06:04]  Alex being like, eh, alright.
[01:06:05]  And then also, the political framing is so important.
[01:06:10]  Like, we have...
[01:06:11]  George Bush and all of his cabinet, they're super socialists.
[01:06:15]  Sure.
[01:06:15]  You have Michael Savage as a beatnik commie.
[01:06:20]  These very right-wing people are being presented as left.
[01:06:26]  Yeah.
[01:06:27]  So, like, they're not even moderate.
[01:06:28]  Or maybe they're supposed to be, like, moderate.
[01:06:31]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:06:32]  Rhinos, if you will, Dan.
[01:06:33]  That was a big talking point in 2003 and ever and always forever.
[01:06:38]  But it makes it okay for whatever really, really hard right-wing thing you want to be like, oh, no, this is just actually normal conservatism.
[01:06:45]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:06:46]  I don't know about that.
[01:06:48]  Jesus.
[01:06:48]  Maybe sovereign citizenism is even just normal conservatism.
[01:06:52]  Sure!
[01:06:53]  Hello, Ida.
[01:06:54]  Yes, thank you for taking my call.
[01:06:57]  The reason I'm calling is I listen to you almost every day, and I understand we've got 250 million of the happiest slaves in the world living in this country, and that's why they'll never revolt.
[01:07:07]  I have revolted.
[01:07:09]  I have been thrown in jail five times.
[01:07:11]  I am now looking at a year and a half in jail plus a $1,500 fine simply because I refuse to go down the road without a driver's license.
[01:07:20]  Yeah, and the federal law actually says that, and the court rulings say that they can, you don't have to have a license for the generally accepted conveyance, but that's a horse and buggy still.
[01:07:32]  Alex, I've used every definition coming down the pike in court, and the judge turns around, the prosecutor objects, and the judge turns around, and he says that it's okay to object, I can't use it, and the next thing I know I'm getting paraded off.
[01:07:50]  You need to go ahead and appeal it up to a higher court.
[01:07:53]  But, yeah, these courts, even federal judges have said, are just rubber-stamped kangaroo courts now.
[01:07:57]  Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
[01:07:59]  You don't need a license, for sure, for sure.
[01:08:00]  Your Honor, objection, silly bullshit.
[01:08:03]  Sustained.
[01:08:06]  Yeah, this isn't true.
[01:08:08]  What Alex is saying isn't true.
[01:08:11]  They arrested me simply because I refused to go down the road without a driver's license.
[01:08:17]  Is an interesting way of putting, I've been driving without a driver's license, and I don't give a shit.

=== Gotta Leave the Commie Fox (03:46) ===

[01:08:22]  Yeah, also, Alex later in the call says, I've driven without a license for years, so I think they're targeting you.
[01:08:27]  Yeah, that sounds right.
[01:08:28]  That sounds right.
[01:08:30]  It's weird.
[01:08:31]  It's weird.
[01:08:31]  But that's like a bedrock of sovereign citizen shit.
[01:08:35]  It's just a misunderstanding of rules.
[01:08:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:08:38]  Yeah, or almost like an oppositional defiance toward the concept of rules that aren't self-generated.
[01:08:45]  Yep.
[01:08:46]  So, in the present day, Alex Jones loves one Tucker Carlson.
[01:08:51]  Sure.
[01:08:52]  Can't get enough of him.
[01:08:53]  Loves the guy.
[01:08:54]  Didn't like him so much before.
[01:08:56]  Yeah, I was gonna say.
[01:08:56]  Obviously, we've heard he doesn't like Hannity.
[01:08:59]  He thinks that Michael Savage is a commie.
[01:09:02]  Coincidentally, more important figures than him.
[01:09:04]  What do you think he thinks about Fox, Fox News?
[01:09:08]  Oh, I think he thinks that they are just a left-wing outlet giving out propaganda for an Obama that hasn't even been elected to the Senate yet.
[01:09:17]  Do you think that the average Marine or Army that's on the ground, do they know what's going on?
[01:09:22]  Do they even have any idea?
[01:09:23]  They just don't know?
[01:09:25]  No, they just have Fox, the ultra commie channel that calls itself conservative, beamed into them.
[01:09:32]  Oh, everybody loves you.
[01:09:33]  Oh, it's great.
[01:09:34]  Oh, you're the greatest heroes ever.
[01:09:35]  By the way, we're cutting all your benefits right now, but so what?
[01:09:39]  You know, that's the system.
[01:09:41]  Ultra commie channel, Fox.
[01:09:43]  We're cutting all your benefits right now is not a thing that is acceptable for Alex to say in a negative way.
[01:09:49]  He should be like...
[01:09:51]  Yeah, they're cutting all your benefits, because you don't deserve them, you lazy pieces of shit!
[01:09:56]  You know what?
[01:09:56]  I quit this show!
[01:09:58]  I gotta leave!
[01:09:59]  I gotta leave!
[01:10:00]  Ultra commie Fox News.
[01:10:02]  Ultra commie Fox News.
[01:10:04]  Oh boy.
[01:10:05]  That wasn't quite what I expected.
[01:10:07]  I mean, it's a lot to see.
[01:10:11]  When I first turned on the episode, I was like...
[01:10:14]  I think I'm gonna have some really subtle things to try and sift through.
[01:10:19]  Instead, it's just like, Michael Savage is a commie, Fox News is ultra-commie, everyone are communists.
[01:10:25]  Like, oh, this is great!
[01:10:28]  Yeah, that's so...
[01:10:30]  Because we've talked about this for years of like, if you just abandoned Trump, you could carve out that space of like...
[01:10:39]  I don't trust Fox News.
[01:10:40]  They're a bunch of liberal commie bullshit.
[01:10:43]  Listen to that.
[01:10:44]  It's so easy.
[01:10:45]  You could just be like, oh, Biden's giving a speech on CNN and they're whining about some nonsense five-year-old who's got a problem.
[01:10:54]  But perhaps the proof of the pudding is in the eating, as it were.
[01:10:57]  That's true.
[01:10:57]  I mean, look at where he was in his career in 2003 and look where he is now.
[01:11:03]  Obviously...
[01:11:04]  Signing up with Trump has massively exposed him.
[01:11:08]  It's gotten him a far greater space in the public sphere.
[01:11:13]  It's made him relevant to the point where people at least jokingly make his name trend sometimes.
[01:11:21]  Back then, in 2003, he had a position of defiance against the right and the left.
[01:11:27]  He could pretend that it was because he's above the divide, but he's extremely far to the right.
[01:11:34]  It didn't work.
[01:11:36]  It didn't work.
[01:11:36]  No, that's true.
[01:11:37]  That's true.
[01:11:38]  You're not wrong.
[01:11:39]  Although, I'm still of the opinion of carving out that comfortable space is so much better than being like...
[01:11:49]  Well, if I hitch my wagon to Trump's train, I can become world famous.
[01:11:53]  Yes.
[01:11:53]  No, I think it would be healthier and better if he had carved out that space.

=== Why Toronto Reacted Hysterically (06:51) ===

[01:11:58]  But clearly, he lusts for the sun, like Icarus.
[01:12:01]  That's true.
[01:12:02]  That is true.
[01:12:02]  And maybe that's just...
[01:12:04]  He could never do that while maintaining whatever it is that he's doing back then.
[01:12:09]  Yeah, it is one of those situations where were the actions and context completely different, I would be like, man...
[01:12:17]  I gotta give it up to you for seeing an opportunity and shooting your shot.
[01:12:20]  And it has not worked out for you.
[01:12:23]  But within the context and his actions, he's an idiot and I hate him forever.
[01:12:28]  Yeah.
[01:12:29]  And I want to throw baseballs at him.
[01:12:31]  I don't know if you know this, but 2003, in addition to seeing the end of the Iraq War, we also were in the middle of SARS.
[01:12:40]  Okay.
[01:12:41]  Now, some people may remember that COVID-19 is originally SARS coronavirus 2. Yep.
[01:12:46]  The sequel to what's going on in 2003, SARS.
[01:12:51]  Let's see how we handled it differently.
[01:12:54]  Reuters.
[01:12:55]  Money may be the root of all evil, but China is trying to make sure it won't be a source of SARS.
[01:13:02]  Now, they already have public service announcements here in this country of how, quote, cash is dirty and how we need to get rid of it to the safe, cashless society.
[01:13:12]  Well, the Central People's Bank of China was putting more new cash into circulation and holding used bank notes for 24 hours before putting it back on the people's hands.
[01:13:21]  The People's Daily Newspaper said on its website on Tuesday, the Communist Party mouthpiece said some banks were even sterilizing Grammy bills and showering them with ultraviolet radiation to try to kill the SARS virus, which has killed 148 people and infected more than 3,300 in China.
[01:13:38]  Like 300 globally.
[01:13:39]  Not even that many.
[01:13:40]  Folks, this thing...
[01:13:42]  Millions die every year from flu.
[01:13:44]  This is nothing.
[01:13:45]  They can't even isolate the virus.
[01:13:46]  It's hysteria, as the Toronto Star said.
[01:13:49]  It is a UN power grab.
[01:13:52]  I didn't say it.
[01:13:53]  Toronto started.
[01:13:54]  So weird to see how the past echoes with the present.
[01:13:57]  Like, you can dip back into 2003 and hear Alex making the exact same nonsense claims about SARS that he would eventually make about the novel coronavirus.
[01:14:05]  Yeah.
[01:14:06]  It's remarkable.
[01:14:07]  Yeah.
[01:14:19]  At this point, scientists hadn't been able to concretely isolate the SARS virus, but they did achieve that this same month, on March 22, 2003.
[01:14:28]  At this point when Alex is making the episode, it's only been a few weeks since China reported the outbreak of cases to the World Health Organization, and the situation is very much in its infancy.
[01:14:37]  The international community jumped into action and quickly identified and isolated the virus, and cautionary steps were taken to prevent the spread.
[01:14:44]  Because of collaborative action, and probably somewhat because the right-wing conspiracy movement hadn't grown to the size it has in the present day, only 774 people in the world ended up dying during the outbreak between November 2002 and July 2003.
[01:14:58]  The Toronto Star article Alex is referencing is something I can't find, but I would bet anything it was an editorial article presenting the opinion that Toronto's response to SARS has been hysterical.
[01:15:09]  You can find some people still, you know, some existing websites that express that sentiment.
[01:15:15]  It's hard to say if people there overreacted, but the greater Toronto area saw the fourth largest outbreak of SARS cases in the world behind China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.
[01:15:24]  So it really does kind of make sense that the matter there would be taken seriously in a way that might look like hysteria.
[01:15:30]  You know, I've always been, like, especially, you know, obviously now when you're thinking about it, but it...
[01:15:41]  It always kind of, like, messed me up.
[01:15:44]  People say, oh, you're reacting hysterically to this virus.
[01:15:48]  And it feels like...
[01:15:50]  The entire human race should be so hysterical about viruses and bacteria.
[01:15:55]  Especially really new ones.
[01:15:56]  Yeah, considering disease has killed almost all of us.
[01:16:00]  You know, like, we talk about, oh, I'm so scared of war and all that shit.
[01:16:04]  Of all the people who have ever lived, most of them have died because of some disease or another.
[01:16:09]  And I think that...
[01:16:11]  Like, we should all be hysterical.
[01:16:13]  You know, that's what I would say.
[01:16:15]  And I think that the conversation largely has been, like, in times when we're not dealing with outbreaks and infections and stuff, people in medical communities talk about the unknown unknowns.
[01:16:25]  Exactly.
[01:16:26]  About, you know, like, all the conversation about disease X or whatever.
[01:16:29]  About this thing that we don't know about that we may have to deal with.
[01:16:33]  It's really a terrifying prospect.
[01:16:35]  Yeah.
[01:16:35]  Because you have to figure out how it spreads, what its characteristics are, and while you're figuring that out, it's spreading.
[01:16:41]  Or it could be spreading.
[01:16:42]  Or it might be spreading faster than you think.
[01:16:44]  It's a terrifying thing.
[01:16:46]  I agree with you.
[01:16:47]  Almost levels of hysteria become more rational the more you think about it.
[01:16:54]  I remember some people that I knew were going through some steps that I would say were maybe a little bit further than I would have even at the beginning of dealing with the 2020 situation.
[01:17:10]  I kind of was like, you guys are going a little far with this.
[01:17:13]  And their response was, I'd rather do this And look stupid later than not do it and feel like, oh, I could have taken preventative measures.
[01:17:26]  Totally.
[01:17:26]  And I think that that's a compelling argument, and I felt stupid afterwards.
[01:17:30]  Yeah, and it's also just, but I mean, part of it is just the very fact that so many fucking people don't not just not understand evolution, but believe in it entirely.
[01:17:41]  It's just like, you realize that if a virus spreads, it's going to reproduce Billions of times in a very short period of time, which exponentially increases the possibility of mutation and adaptation to our measures against it.
[01:17:59]  It is a constant battle.
[01:18:03]  Even now, if we defeat COVID-19 to the extent that we would all love it, if we don't completely eradicate it, it is going to mutate and it can come back.
[01:18:15]  Anytime!
[01:18:16]  You know, like, it's a real terrifying reality, and most people are like, eh, it's probably witches.
[01:18:21]  Like, that's where we are!
[01:18:23]  Yeah, or, you know, witches that work for the UN.
[01:18:26]  Totally.
[01:18:27]  It's a UN power grab.
[01:18:28]  Yeah, it's a UN power grab.
[01:18:29]  It always is.

=== Racist Demons Awaken (13:41) ===

[01:18:30]  Always.
[01:18:31]  And I think if, you know, I don't know, I guess if Trump was president and the conspiracy community existed the way it does now in 2003, SARS might have been a much bigger problem.
[01:18:42]  Oh, totally.
[01:18:44]  It's weird to think about.
[01:18:45]  You think about so many of the, you know, like you think about Ebola outbreaks.
[01:18:49]  You think about those things that happened in the past that, in retrospect, you realize were handled by people who understood and were serious about the problem instead of actively exacerbating it.
[01:19:03]  And the people who are causing problems should be held responsible in the courts.
[01:19:10]  But what you gonna do?
[01:19:11]  Hey, you know, Alex at this point, you know, he's getting towards, you know, end of the show.
[01:19:16]  You know, we're getting deep into it.
[01:19:18]  He still hasn't covered the news.
[01:19:20]  Ooh, how many of those?
[01:19:21]  I'll start the next hour.
[01:19:22]  I'll get more into this and what life will be like under the New World Order.
[01:19:27]  We have covered about a third of it.
[01:19:29]  I'll have to just jam it all in calmly in the third hour.
[01:19:33]  I don't know what's been wrong with me this week, but I've been more fired up than usual.
[01:19:37]  Before I end this segment, you want to find out what really happened with 9-1-1.
[01:19:43]  You want to see all the information, the globalists admitting it, the documents, the news articles in a professional package.
[01:19:52]  Get Road to Tyranny.
[01:19:53]  Get Part 2 of that, Matters of Terror.
[01:19:56]  My two films.
[01:19:57]  That's the ad pivot back then.
[01:19:59]  There's no pills to sell.
[01:20:01]  No wellness supplies.
[01:20:03]  Get my films.
[01:20:04]  Yeah, he's just trying to sell his documentaries.
[01:20:06]  I'm looking for exposure.
[01:20:07]  If you get three of them...
[01:20:09]  Price goes down by three films.
[01:20:11]  What about shipping?
[01:20:12]  Is shipping still expensive at the time?
[01:20:14]  I don't remember.
[01:20:15]  Probably prohibitive.
[01:20:17]  Yeah, might be.
[01:20:19]  So Alex has an epiphany when he comes back from the commercial, and this just made me want to throw something.
[01:20:26]  I'm frankly starting to panic on air.
[01:20:28]  I'm going to be honest with you.
[01:20:29]  Stuff's getting so bad.
[01:20:30]  I see the plan coming together.
[01:20:32]  Now I know my analysis has been dead on all along.
[01:20:35]  Worse than I thought.
[01:20:37]  Frankly, and it's freaking me out.
[01:20:39]  I know the nature of the globalists.
[01:20:43]  Watching serial killer, control freak demons build a cage for humanity is very energizing.
[01:20:54]  I just am energized to resist them.
[01:20:57]  I've asked God to make me a vessel to fight the New World Order, and sometimes I just think there's too much.
[01:21:04]  I mean, I'm just too energized.
[01:21:06]  I've got all the information, I know what they're doing, I know what their plans are, what their operations are, and like my mouth, my speech centers cannot, I don't think, articulate the globalist program properly to you.
[01:21:19]  It's just horrible.
[01:21:20]  Anyone who listens to our show with any regularity has heard that speech.
[01:21:24]  It's one that Alex gives pretty frequently when he gets in a wistful, contemplative mood.
[01:21:29]  Yesterday he was confused, but today all the pieces have come together and he's more certain than ever that his analysis has been right all along, and it's worse than he thought.
[01:21:37]  That's an interesting experience to imagine having when something groundbreaking happens, but to go back to a random episode of his show from 18 years ago and see him pretending to have the same epiphany that he does regularly on his show nowadays, it's a little annoying.
[01:21:51]  also another reason I pulled this clip is because Alex makes a reference to God and to demons but I think you can tell how much different that feels than how he Oh, yeah.
[01:22:02]  To my ears...
[01:22:04]  Listening to this, it kind of comes off like a man who has religious inclinations but isn't a zealot.
[01:22:09]  It feels like a person calling his enemies demons as a pejorative insult, not as a description that's meant to be taken literally.
[01:22:16]  It's weird to think about, but maybe Alex meant it to be heard as literal all along, and people were just giving him an unasked-for benefit of the doubt.
[01:22:23]  There's no way he could think demons were real and they were just Democrats.
[01:22:28]  That seems crazy.
[01:22:30]  So we'll assume that he's being a...
[01:22:33]  It's metaphorical in this sense.
[01:22:35]  I don't think that's the case, but it's fun to think about.
[01:22:38]  Like, the possibility that, no, he's been pretty upfront about it.
[01:22:41]  He's talking about demons.
[01:22:43]  Dan, I hate time travel episodes sometimes.
[01:22:46]  I love it.
[01:22:46]  Because you're like a Mr. Peabody who refuses to let me get into the time machine.
[01:22:52]  You just make me watch a movie of the past, and you're like, oh yeah, if we used this time machine, we could fix it all.
[01:22:58]  But too bad, asshole!
[01:22:59]  We're just gonna watch.
[01:23:02]  Well, that would be a more interesting cartoon.
[01:23:04]  Could be.
[01:23:05]  So, Alex gets to another call, and boy, he has some pretty anti-immigrant sentiments back in 2003.
[01:23:12]  Unsurprising.
[01:23:13]  You know, I have a lot of friends that are Mexicans, but I don't have too many immigrant friends.
[01:23:20]  But you kind of wonder how in the world they got their driver's license in the first place.
[01:23:25]  You know, if they do have one.
[01:23:26]  Look it up.
[01:23:27]  And they really do not have a driver's license because they do not know the law.
[01:23:31]  They're there for big companies to work because they do work.
[01:23:38]  Yeah, and the big companies have said, these people are here to vote our rights away because they don't even know what they're doing.
[01:23:42]  They can't speak any language.
[01:23:44]  They just told what to do by their local bosses, local little bosses, barrio boss, who works for the government.
[01:23:50]  And they're here to de-industrialize and give us cheap wages.
[01:23:54]  Don't.
[01:23:55]  Arrest them, don't mess with them, and it happens.
[01:23:57]  You, on the other hand, are middle class and got some money.
[01:23:59]  You're to be fed on, pushed around.
[01:24:01]  They've got to let you know.
[01:24:02]  Just keep in line.
[01:24:05]  Okay, Alex, you know what you're doing.
[01:24:07]  That's for sure.
[01:24:08]  I would have the exact same response as that caller.
[01:24:10]  You know what you're doing, Alex.
[01:24:11]  Yeah, you lying piece of shit.
[01:24:13]  You know what you're doing.
[01:24:14]  Yeah, geez.
[01:24:15]  This is the same show where just an hour ago we were told you do not need a driver's license.
[01:24:21]  Right, with that caller.
[01:24:22]  Yeah.
[01:24:22]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:24:23]  So there's a difference, I would say, between who gets to not have a driver's license and who.
[01:24:28]  You're not meant to remember that.
[01:24:29]  Fair enough.
[01:24:29]  Also, on this same show, we had Alex talking.
[01:24:32]  You know, I was talking about that.
[01:24:34]  Like, if you're uncharitable, you could hear him saying the minority.
[01:24:37]  Yeah.
[01:24:37]  Yeah.
[01:24:38]  And you could hear that as him talking about, you know, minorities, non-white folk in his mind.
[01:24:43]  Right.
[01:24:43]  Or you could look at it as like criminals are a minority of the population and that's what he's talking about.
[01:24:48]  This is not the same thing.
[01:24:49]  No!
[01:24:50]  That's not this.
[01:24:51]  This is explicit.
[01:24:52]  Yeah.
[01:24:52]  These guys aren't talking about undocumented immigrants or people who came here through improper channels or people who overstayed a visa.
[01:24:59]  They're just talking about the blanket category of people who are immigrants, and this conversation is outrageously white nationalist at its core.
[01:25:07]  This caller is puzzling over how immigrants managed to get driver's licenses, which is a bit silly.
[01:25:11]  And then Alex shoots the moon by arguing that immigrants are coming to be controlled by, quote, Barrio bosses and instructed to take, quote, our rights away.
[01:25:20]  You got it.
[01:25:21]  The coded language is almost comically transparent here, and this walks hand-in-hand with the white nationalist ideas about the great replacement that get thrown around in more recent times.
[01:25:30]  This is the way that conversation was had back then, and it's basically indistinguishable from white supremacist positions on immigration.
[01:25:36]  Yeah.
[01:25:37]  It's outrageous.
[01:25:37]  I just see, like, a six-year-old Harrison Smith being like, man, I want to be worse than that someday.
[01:25:43]  I want to be more explicit about exactly what I know he is saying.
[01:25:47]  I want to take this game and push it a little farther.
[01:25:50]  Yeah, let's go a little bit further to the racist.
[01:25:53]  Oh, boy.
[01:25:54]  So, Alex, he gets to...
[01:25:56]  He has this big point that he keeps making, and that is that he can go on any show, on any conservative...
[01:26:02]  Not anymore!
[01:26:04]  Well, there's more to it.
[01:26:06]  Okay.
[01:26:06]  He can go on any show, conservative, liberal, normal, whatever, right in the middle, center, who gives a shit?
[01:26:11]  Sure.
[01:26:11]  He can go on any of these shows.
[01:26:12]  They can take 30 calls.
[01:26:14]  They all agree with him.
[01:26:15]  Of course.
[01:26:15]  They all agree with him.
[01:26:16]  Because he's so ideologically consistent.
[01:26:18]  And because everyone knows that Bush did 9-11.
[01:26:21]  That's true.
[01:26:22]  So, he ends up role-playing a little bit as some callers that he's fantasizing about talking to on these radio shows.
[01:26:29]  Sure, sure.
[01:26:30]  And then I can be on some other station and take 20 calls, and then one guy will call and he'll go, you're a liar, bushing, trying to take my guns.
[01:26:39]  And I'll go, well, actually, the bill number's S22.
[01:26:42]  Republicans are supporting it, and you're a liar and coming!
[01:26:45]  me.
[01:26:46]  I tell you, you liberals come up with some plans to confuse us and get us off track.
[01:26:51]  George Bush would never.
[01:26:53]  He's a Christian conservative.
[01:26:54]  And then the host will say, well, actually, he is supporting that.
[01:26:58]  And the guy will go, oh, well, I still don't like this guy.
[01:27:01]  Get him off here.
[01:27:04]  want to turn my guns in.
[01:27:06]  I mean, they don't say that, but they say everything else up to that.
[01:27:08]  Uh-huh.
[01:27:09]  So they're in a delusional world, and I can be on Pacifica Radio or something with all the, what you would And they're all calling and agreeing, making good points, admitting the Democrats are corrupt too, because if you're not hypocritical, they'll wake up.
[01:27:22]  You've got liberals calling in going, yeah, I see what you mean about owning guns.
[01:27:26]  It makes a lot of sense.
[01:27:28]  You know, if the government's tyrannical, why should we give our guns up?
[01:27:31]  I'm going to realize what you're saying, and I did hear Australia's crime rate exploded once they took the guns.
[01:27:36]  And then one person will call in and go, I bet you're a racist, Mr. Jones, aren't you?
[01:27:42]  Yes, New World Order is a code word for some type of racial group you remember of.
[01:27:45]  And I go, no, actually, the government's calling for a New World Order.
[01:27:48]  And I'll go, wait a minute, you work for the government, don't you?
[01:27:51]  Do you work in intelligence or for the FBI or for the...
[01:27:55]  Or do you work for some federal program?
[01:27:57]  Where I work, does it matter?
[01:27:59]  I'll go, just answer the question.
[01:28:00]  Well, yes, I work for the government.
[01:28:03]  Well, hey, whoa!
[01:28:06]  This was one of the moments in the show where I was like, this is kind of feeling like the present.
[01:28:11]  Yeah.
[01:28:11]  This is imaginary nonsense.
[01:28:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:28:14]  This one's good.
[01:28:14]  Yeah.
[01:28:15]  So I've heard that narrative arc of these callers discussed by Alex throughout his career.
[01:28:20]  That's sort of, it's very normal.
[01:28:22]  These seem to be archetypes of callers that he's imagined arguing with, that he uses as examples for decades, as dumb people he has to talk to.
[01:28:30]  Yeah.
[01:28:30]  These people are used as caricatures of strawman arguments, presenting things that are valid complaints about Alex.
[01:28:35]  He uses these imaginary dumb callers as puppets to introduce these ideas like that he's a racist, because then it's a lot easier to mock and discredit those ideas like that he's a racist.
[01:28:45]  You can hear Alex essentially laying out that him arguing that the Republican Party is corrupt is a way to get liberals who can admit that the Democrats are corrupt to wake up.
[01:28:55]  Yeah, if you lie about being hypocritical, they'll wake up, and they won't know you're lying because you're not a malicious figure yet.
[01:29:03]  This is a strategy, and it's meant to make Alex look closer to the middle, where this hypothetical Democrat is.
[01:29:09]  The idea is for him to paint a picture where he and this liberal have more in common than they think, and they only don't...
[01:29:15]  I think so, that they're more in common because these two corrupt political parties have told them that they're not similar.
[01:29:21]  This is not true.
[01:29:23]  Alex is light years to the right of the GOP, so what he's actually doing is trying to pull disaffected people of either party towards the extreme right.
[01:29:30]  For people already in the Republican Party, this could mean becoming extremely right-wing.
[01:29:35]  For Democrats, this might mean becoming a jaded political nihilist, maybe embracing the GOP, or just not voting for Democratic candidates.
[01:29:44]  Ultimately, the political end result of the project Alex is engaging in is this.
[01:29:49]  It's always about dragging people to the right while pretending there is no right or left, which serves the political interests of whichever viable political entity is furthest to the right.
[01:29:59]  That's what he's doing.
[01:30:00]  I am above the left-right divide, Dan!
[01:30:04]  They want to do all these taxes and things, and I just want to drink blood from the skulls of my enemies.
[01:30:11]  What doesn't everybody get about that?
[01:30:13]  Wake up, people!
[01:30:15]  I'm above the left-right divide!
[01:30:17]  Right.
[01:30:18]  I mean, if he was truly opposed to the left-right divide or whatever, and someone was like a Democrat, and they were like, oh, you know what?
[01:30:26]  The Democratic Party does suck.
[01:30:27]  I'm going to start exploring further left options.
[01:30:30]  He should be just as into that, right?
[01:30:33]  You would think.
[01:30:34]  Yeah.
[01:30:34]  Oh, no, he's not, because the socialists are...
[01:30:38]  I mean, George Bush is a socialist.
[01:30:39]  They're demons.
[01:30:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:30:41]  Everybody's a socialist at this point.
[01:30:42]  In the present day, he's a socialist.
[01:30:44]  We're not sure about that.
[01:30:45]  That's fair.
[01:30:46]  Could be a metaphor.
[01:30:47]  2003.
[01:30:47]  Is he?
[01:30:48]  He's anti-Reagan at this point, too, right?
[01:30:51]  I haven't heard him bring up Reagan on this episode.
[01:30:53]  Oh, that's true.
[01:30:54]  I can't speak to that.
[01:30:54]  That's true.
[01:30:55]  Fair enough.
[01:30:55]  He doesn't like anybody, from what I can tell.
[01:30:57]  It does sound like that.
[01:30:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:30:59]  He thinks everybody that is, like, you look back, you're like, ooh, gross conservative.
[01:31:04]  Yeah.
[01:31:04]  They were communists.
[01:31:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:31:06]  Which, I can, but you can totally see that kind of...
[01:31:11]  Being attractive, especially at that time, whenever you look at the fact that both political parties are like...
[01:31:17]  War is great, and let's do it all the time.
[01:31:20]  And you're like, what's the fucking point of having either of these political parties if we're just going to wind up with a mission accomplished banner?
[01:31:28]  You know, like that kind of thing.
[01:31:29]  And I think that that is why something like Alex is super potent back then.
[01:31:33]  Totally, totally.
[01:31:34]  Because there are a lot of people who are right in the exact place that they need to be to hear a message like that and get sent down a road they don't know they're going down.
[01:31:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:31:43]  I would say it's hard to argue that...
[01:31:47]  You know, Osama Bin Laden didn't destroy an entire country by himself.
[01:31:53]  It's kind of...
[01:31:54]  He had compatriots.
[01:31:55]  It's kind of a little bit...
[01:31:56]  No, he had tons of compatriots, of course, but it's a little bit like, you know, 9-11 really did defeat America.

=== Family Show Secrets (15:35) ===

[01:32:05]  Alex does talk a bit about 9-11 on this episode, but not in a way that I felt like this is where we're going to start picking into it.
[01:32:12]  So as I look through the 2003 stuff, when he gets into more of it, 9-11 will definitely be more of a topic than has been in our show in the past.
[01:32:23]  But I can't talk about it today because Alex, as he's talking about these callers that he gets on radio stations, he ends up talking about being on a show out in the UK, right?
[01:32:33]  And this, you got a call from a warden, a jail guard.
[01:32:38]  And this is when, this is evidence that this show used to be a family show.
[01:32:43]  I was on in England, and big national show, the James Whale show.
[01:32:49]  And it covers the whole country.
[01:32:50]  We're getting calls from Scotland, Ireland, wherever.
[01:32:52]  It's a big transmitter, a couple transmitters actually, but a big one in London.
[01:32:55]  They can have like, you know, 500,000 watt AMs there.
[01:33:01]  And I'm...
[01:33:02]  I'm on the show, and they take like 20 calls.
[01:33:06]  Everybody agrees with me.
[01:33:07]  And one guy calls in, and he goes, I'd love to get you in a jail cell.
[01:33:14]  I'd love to get you in there.
[01:33:16]  Well, actually, the guy's threatening me, saying, yeah, you're a traitor, you're an idiot, you're this and that.
[01:33:23]  Don't talk about how my queen's German, because I pointed out their royal family isn't even British.
[01:33:29]  And I said, wait a minute, you work for the government, don't you?
[01:33:32]  He's like, yeah, I'd like to get you.
[01:33:34]  I'd like to get you.
[01:33:35]  And he hadn't even said yet that he was a jail guard.
[01:33:37]  I go, you're a jail guard, aren't you?
[01:33:39]  He goes, huh?
[01:33:40]  Huh?
[01:33:41]  I go, yeah, aren't you?
[01:33:42]  And he goes, yeah, I'd like to get you in the cell.
[01:33:44]  I'd like to urinate on you.
[01:33:46]  He used another word.
[01:33:47]  I said, oh, oh.
[01:33:49]  And the host was amazed.
[01:33:50]  He goes, how'd you know that?
[01:33:51]  I can just tell.
[01:33:53]  Family show.
[01:33:53]  I don't say piss on this show.
[01:33:55]  Not back then.
[01:33:57]  No, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:33:59]  We gotta adhere to these FCC rules.
[01:34:02]  Yeah.
[01:34:03]  No piss.
[01:34:03]  I would say, I don't know, I haven't heard this radio interview, but I would guess that either this caller was like, yeah, I'm a jail guard, you dick.
[01:34:10]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:34:11]  Sure, I'm a jail guard.
[01:34:12]  Fine.
[01:34:13]  Or this didn't happen and Alex is imagining it.
[01:34:15]  Yes.
[01:34:16]  It's so interesting, though.
[01:34:18]  Alex goes to spending, like, five minutes talking about how he knew this guy was a jail guard.
[01:34:22]  He's like, he had this tone.
[01:34:23]  His voice was saying, like, I want to get you locked up.
[01:34:26]  I want to get you locked up.
[01:34:27]  And people only have this tone when they, like, really want to do it.
[01:34:30]  So, like, I heard this guy's voice and I knew that he either, either.
[01:34:34]  Was a serial kidnapper or a jail guard?
[01:34:37]  Because most people who are smart kidnappers just become jail guards because then they can do all that stuff and it's legal.
[01:34:43]  That sounds right!
[01:34:45]  That makes intuitive sense!
[01:34:47]  And this is how I read this guy's voice and knew that he was a jail guard.
[01:34:50]  People who kidnap illegally just don't know what they're supposed to be doing, right?
[01:34:54]  They just haven't found the right kidnapping job.
[01:34:57]  It's a little annoying, but also...
[01:34:59]  Kind of trivially fun.
[01:35:01]  Like, Alex is just wasting his time.
[01:35:04]  It's such an annoying habit of so many people to tell you a story where somebody is acting so over-the-top unreasonably that it's impossible to believe.
[01:35:14]  And you knew, before he even started, he was full of shit.
[01:35:19]  It's like, why am I here?
[01:35:20]  So Alex gets back to calls.
[01:35:22]  And this caller, unfortunately, has a terrible story of being canceled.
[01:35:26]  I'm calling you today because my local FM talk station has banned me from asking any questions concerning Well, anybody who believes...
[01:35:49]  That Oswald actor alone, fine, I got a bridge I want to sell you.
[01:35:53]  This is, like, my favorite thing.
[01:35:55]  I love going back to this time in the past, and the callers are fucking callers.
[01:36:00]  They're not, like, sycophant nonsense.
[01:36:02]  I love your brain force now.
[01:36:04]  Nope.
[01:36:04]  It's a weirdo who can't call the local FM station anymore because he talks too much about the Warren Report.
[01:36:10]  I'm not allowed there anymore because I refuse to discuss anything but 50-year-old news.
[01:36:17]  That's what I do here!
[01:36:19]  I love that.
[01:36:20]  That's a vibe I could listen to.
[01:36:23]  I could listen to that forever.
[01:36:26]  I'm not allowed on C-SPAN anymore because I won't stop talking about Fort Sumter.
[01:36:31]  And it's bullshit, Alex.
[01:36:33]  It's bullshit.
[01:36:34]  The cancel culture is out of control.
[01:36:36]  It's out of control!
[01:36:37]  That they won't let me harangue them for no reason about Fort Sumter.
[01:36:43]  It's infuriating, Dan.
[01:36:45]  I love it.
[01:36:48]  Love it!
[01:36:49]  So, he gets another call, and this guy brings up the John Birch Society, which I teased would come up.
[01:36:56]  Alex believes that the John Birch Society is mostly good.
[01:36:59]  Yes.
[01:36:59]  He's pretending that so much of his ideology isn't based on people who were in and adjacent to the John Birch Society.
[01:37:06]  Unrelated.
[01:37:06]  Unrelated to the John Birch Society.
[01:37:07]  It's very good.
[01:37:08]  Unrelated.
[01:37:09]  I learned everything separate from the John Birch Society.
[01:37:11]  I did my own research.
[01:37:13]  I definitely wasn't raised in a household filled with John Bircher literature.
[01:37:16]  It was mostly John Birch Society stuff and sci-fi that he thought was real.
[01:37:20]  That's mostly...
[01:37:21]  Wow!
[01:37:21]  That really does explain everything, doesn't it?
[01:37:23]  Not everything, but a lot of it.
[01:37:25]  He explains too much for a human.
[01:37:26]  So, this made me laugh so fucking hard.
[01:37:31]  If you get what he's talking about, don't yell it out.
[01:37:35]  Just let this play out.
[01:37:37]  There is an Oklahoma family who are begging oil and a bunch of other stuff who are actually involved in the founding of the John Burr Society.
[01:37:47]  But the John Burr Society overall is good.
[01:37:49]  Certainly early on.
[01:37:51]  Not the Birchers, but other conservative groups have been used by the bankers.
[01:37:55]  They'll tell some good conservative military man, that guy's a communist, go take him out, and they'll go do it and later take him out for plausible deniability.
[01:38:04]  You know, so many of our troops over there in Iraq now really are risking their lives and living in a third-world cesspool, a bombed-out Stone Age system because they really believe in this country.
[01:38:14]  Yes, sir.
[01:38:15]  But it is evil.
[01:38:17]  Does that mean the troops are evil?
[01:38:18]  No, it means they're ignorant.
[01:38:19]  Thanks for the call, Spencer.
[01:38:21]  I appreciate the call.
[01:38:23]  Yeah, I should have gotten into that.
[01:38:24]  Man, I had an article, big mainstream article on that family, how they funded the John Birchers and all the different things they do and how they are big supporters of Bush.
[01:38:34]  I need to dig that back up and cover that.
[01:38:36]  Hmm, I wonder who he's talking about.
[01:38:39]  Is he talking about the Candyman?
[01:38:41]  No, he's talking about Fred Koch.
[01:38:43]  Oh, that's who he's talking about, son of a bitch!
[01:38:45]  Yeah, he's talking about the Koch family.
[01:38:46]  That's right, they're in, oh my god, I didn't think of them because of the Kansas thing.
[01:38:51]  Yeah, they started in Kansas, but Fred Koch eventually, you know, he'd go on to help Hitler build some oil refineries.
[01:38:58]  Well, sure.
[01:38:58]  And then he started a crude oil interest in Duncan, Oklahoma, called Rock Island Oil and Refining Company.
[01:39:05]  It's just amazing.
[01:39:06]  Like, in 2003, hearing Alex, like, oh yeah, I heard about this.
[01:39:09]  Big family that they funded the John Birch Society and they support Bush.
[01:39:15]  He doesn't know the name.
[01:39:16]  He doesn't know anything about this.
[01:39:17]  Unreal.
[01:39:18]  He's bathed in John Birch Society nonsense and he doesn't know the name of Fred Koch.
[01:39:24]  So infuriating.
[01:39:25]  Yeah.
[01:39:26]  Man, you know, you think maybe if Citizens United had gone another way, none of us would be able to instantly pull Koch brothers' names.
[01:39:33]  Wouldn't that be lovely?
[01:39:35]  I don't know if that's true, but certainly it made it worse.
[01:39:41]  I think it's really interesting that, like, I'm, you know, obviously I'm fascinated by particularly...
[01:39:49]  That era of anti-communist propaganda and sort of ideology.
[01:39:56]  And so the John Birch Society is something that looms large.
[01:39:58]  And obviously I've looked into it a bit, and I know about the first meetings and the people.
[01:40:04]  Yeah, obviously Fred Koch was one of the founding members.
[01:40:07]  It's weird to me to think that Alex came from a family that clearly was Birchy.
[01:40:13]  Maybe not full-on members, but associates of members.
[01:40:17]  And he doesn't understand who some of these players are.
[01:40:22]  I mean, weren't they supposed to be cells that weren't necessarily connected to each other originally?
[01:40:29]  It's not like they had a hero worship of their founding members.
[01:40:33]  No, but you would know.
[01:40:35]  You would think.
[01:40:36]  You would hope.
[01:40:37]  But then again, Fred Koch didn't stay in it for all that long.
[01:40:41]  Yeah, he was too busy with the Nazis.
[01:40:42]  He's got shit to do.
[01:40:43]  But then again, the Koch brothers...
[01:40:46]  We're pretty involved with, like, Ron Paul.
[01:40:49]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:40:50]  I don't know.
[01:40:51]  It's weird.
[01:40:51]  It's weird that he'd have this non-awareness.
[01:40:56]  What an ignorant asshole.
[01:40:57]  How dare he tell me that he knows anything?
[01:40:59]  It does feel like he's not feigning ignorance.
[01:41:02]  He does seem like he's frustrated that he doesn't know the name of this big birch family.
[01:41:10]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:41:11]  It's strange.
[01:41:11]  Wild.
[01:41:12]  Anyway, he gets another call.
[01:41:14]  This is where we learn that Saddam Hussein may be on a beach.
[01:41:17]  Hey, Alex.
[01:41:18]  My name is Nick.
[01:41:19]  Hi, Nick.
[01:41:20]  I've been here for about 22 years.
[01:41:22]  Just a little information about Saddam Hussein.
[01:41:25]  On the 14th of this past month, the Gulf News out of Dubai and the Iranian News Service both reported that the U.S. had reached an agreement with Russia for $5 billion in cash and credit to get Saddam and 100 of his closest followers out.
[01:41:42]  This past Thursday on Univision, one broadcast through the middle of the day said that Saddam Hussein had been spotted in Cuba with his family.
[01:41:50]  Thank you.
[01:41:53]  Sounds about right.
[01:41:55]  Okay.
[01:41:56]  All right.
[01:41:56]  Yep.
[01:41:57]  Sounds about right.
[01:41:58]  He's probably in Cuba.
[01:41:59]  Yep.
[01:41:59]  That makes sense.
[01:42:02]  Possible other explanation.
[01:42:03]  Someone who looks like Saddam Hussein was seen in Cuba.
[01:42:06]  You know what I would do if I was Saddam?
[01:42:08]  Get closer to the United States.
[01:42:10]  Good idea.
[01:42:11]  That's a good plan.
[01:42:12]  They'll never look.
[01:42:13]  I'll take a boat from North Korea to Maine.
[01:42:16]  We have one last clip here, because Alex takes another call, and this person is into the Birch Society, and so there's a little bit more conversation about that.
[01:42:27]  I think this is kind of interesting.
[01:42:29]  First, let me say something about the John Birch Society.
[01:42:34]  I was a member when I lived in Utah.
[01:42:37]  I'm not a member now, but I do get the magazine.
[01:42:39]  And they put out wonderful information.
[01:42:42]  So you're still a member.
[01:42:43]  And I was going over some old ones the other day that go back into 98. And here they were telling about this threat of the World Trade Towers being bombed.
[01:42:57]  And this is all a connection with...
[01:43:01]  Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and on and on and on.
[01:43:04]  And how the government's going to blame them for it.
[01:43:07]  Right.
[01:43:07]  But the one thing I want to make clear, and this is for everybody.
[01:43:11]  You know, there's people that say things about Alex Jones and put out information about Alex Jones or John Stapmiller or somebody else.
[01:43:21]  And this is a ploy.
[01:43:23]  I remember back in the 50s and 60s, the Communist Party put out a propaganda.
[01:43:29]  Divide and conquer.
[01:43:30]  Right, and the same thing with MacArthur.
[01:43:33]  I even hear conservatives talk about MacArthurism as though that was something evil.
[01:43:38]  No, MacArthur was right.
[01:43:40]  McCarthy was right.
[01:43:42]  Okay, the other thing is...
[01:43:43]  Well, McCarthy was right.
[01:43:44]  The KGB files got released five years ago, and it turned out it was twice as bad than he thought.
[01:43:49]  But it was okay when he said it was...
[01:43:50]  Hold on, let me say something.
[01:43:51]  Hold on a second, ma'am.
[01:43:52]  It was okay, ma'am, ma'am.
[01:43:54]  It was okay when he said that it was just communist.
[01:43:57]  Yeah.
[01:43:57]  When he figured out that...
[01:43:59]  He said, wait, the Army runs the communist.
[01:44:01]  Our Army's giving them nukes and funding them.
[01:44:03]  Boom, he was out of there like that.
[01:44:05]  Go ahead.
[01:44:05]  So Alex has made up a fun story to try and pretend that Joseph McCarthy was right in his insane communist witch hunt, but that's all just bullshit.
[01:44:13]  Yeah.
[01:44:16]  Yeah, that is nice.
[01:44:17]  That's a really polite, angry Alex.
[01:44:20]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:44:21]  That's better than now.
[01:44:25]  Fuck off!
[01:44:27]  Look!
[01:44:28]  Buy my shit!
[01:44:29]  I would assume that those issues of the John Birch Society magazine that the caller is referring to, I think they have to do with the other time the World Trade Center was bombed back in 1993.
[01:44:38]  You would think.
[01:44:39]  I would assume it has something to do with that.
[01:44:40]  I've noticed that a lot of conspiracy thinkers tend to ignore that that happened, because it helps to make sense of why people would have been talking about terrorists attacking the World Trade Center before 9-11.
[01:44:51]  Yeah, it would be like, oh, so this guy already tried it?
[01:44:55]  It would make sense for him to give it another go if he failed the first time.
[01:44:58]  Yeah, they need for these conversations to be devoid of the context of the first bombing.
[01:45:06]  Because otherwise, it's like, yeah, of course.
[01:45:08]  Yeah.
[01:45:08]  Oh, there's a reasonable explanation for this.
[01:45:10]  I find this really weird because Alex is talking about, like, okay, so this caller is saying there's a John Birch Society magazine from, like, 1998.
[01:45:18]  It's talking about bombing of the World Trade Center.
[01:45:21]  Right.
[01:45:21]  And Alex is like, yeah, and how the government will blame Bin Laden.
[01:45:24]  Yep.
[01:45:24]  That's supposed to be his prediction.
[01:45:26]  Yeah.
[01:45:27]  So wait, now he's saying that the John Birch Society stuff from 1998 was making that prediction that he made in 2001.
[01:45:33]  Right.
[01:45:34]  That also he stole from Bill Cooper.
[01:45:36]  Yes.
[01:45:37]  Yeah.
[01:45:38]  Alex doesn't seem to be so eager to take credit as some kind of a prophetic...
[01:45:44]  Yeah, I would imagine the reason that he didn't make it to the four-year university was he couldn't keep himself from plagiarizing anything and everything in his sight.
[01:45:53]  Yeah, it's possible.
[01:45:55]  Feels like more of an individual at this point, though.
[01:45:57]  I'll say that.
[01:45:58]  That is true.
[01:45:59]  I mean, despite the Rush Limbaugh impression, they're very clear.
[01:46:05]  No, I remember at that time, my dad had all the Limbaugh books, and I was inundated with right-wing talk news radio.
[01:46:15]  And I wasn't hearing this shit, that's for sure.
[01:46:18]  I definitely wasn't hearing this.
[01:46:20]  Some of this is a little weirder.
[01:46:22]  But also, I'm fascinated by how some of it is so...
[01:46:26]  Like, one-to-one similar to the present.
[01:46:29]  The way he deals with SARS, the way he's saying that they intentionally released foot and mouth from Porton down.
[01:46:36]  Like, it's hauntingly similar.
[01:46:39]  Those who learn to exploit in the past refuse to change anything so they can continue exploiting in the future, Dan.
[01:46:45]  So I have one last question for you.
[01:46:47]  What do you think about apples?
[01:46:50]  They're pretty good.
[01:46:51]  So what do you think about them apples?
[01:46:53]  That's the real question.
[01:46:55]  I'm fascinated.
[01:46:57]  I'm loving the past, and I can't wait to keep listening to this.
[01:47:02]  Especially to see how, as the Iraq war is clearly not over, how Alex deals with that.
[01:47:08]  The 2004 election.
[01:47:11]  We haven't done monthly investigations for a long time.
[01:47:15]  I feel like this might be open-ended.
[01:47:17]  This could be forever.

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[01:47:22]  I will still also be keeping up on the present day, and I promise our next episode, we'll check in and see what Alex is up to, whatever his dumbass is talking about in the present.
[01:47:30]  No kidding.
[01:47:31]  See if it mirrors this.
[01:47:32]  Let's find out.
[01:47:34]  We'll see.
[01:47:35]  But, anyway, we'll be back.
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[01:47:38]  Indeed we do.
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[01:47:53]  Yep.
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[01:48:01]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:48:03]  Thanks for holding.
[01:48:05]  Hello, Alex.
[01:48:06]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:48:07]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:48:08]  I love your work.