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Feb. 12, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:37:57
#530: February 10-11, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex Jones is doing with Trump's second impeachment trial. In this installment, Alex sends a lot of mixed messages, lies about the Covid vaccine, and records a commercial with a very unsettling tone.

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alex jones
21:41
d
dan friesen
47:23
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jordan holmes
22:56
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jamie raskin
00:39
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jim hoft
00:19
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I love you.
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
Dan!
jordan holmes
Jordan, what's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is mochi.
jordan holmes
You've recently discovered mochi.
dan friesen
Yes.
And it is expanded from there.
jordan holmes
Next year we'll be doing 500 new tastes of mochi.
dan friesen
I don't think that would be possible.
It would be pretty difficult.
But I've tried a number of flavors that I've been able to get my hands on.
And, oh man, it's so good.
The thing that was really tough for me was that...
I'd heard such startlingly different reviews.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
It's a divisive dessert.
dan friesen
Very much so.
And I'd worried that I would fall squarely in the bleh category, but I love it.
And it also, I didn't realize it, but it just takes me back a bit to...
Like things that I had in Hawaii growing up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that makes total sense, but I didn't think that it would.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it's great.
I love it.
So another dessert.
Great.
Another fucking sweet thing for me to eat.
Just what we needed.
The audience was like, what other sweet things is Dan going to become obsessed with?
jordan holmes
What will capture Dan's sweet tooth today?
dan friesen
Fuck!
jordan holmes
Good news is people won't be mailing those to you.
dan friesen
No, that is true.
Thank God.
Next thing you know, shit just comes in dry ice.
jordan holmes
Dry ice.
Damn it!
And then just melted ones.
dan friesen
So yeah, Mochi, how about you?
jordan holmes
Oh, my bright spot this week, Dan, is The Swordsman.
It's a Korean movie that's, I don't know, it's really good.
It's about three swordsmen.
They do stuff.
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
So it's swordsman plural.
jordan holmes
No, the movie is about singular.
dan friesen
Okay, so it's one of the three.
jordan holmes
There are multiple that appear.
dan friesen
So it's like the Highlander.
There's more than one Highlander.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Although there can only be one.
jordan holmes
No, there's not more than one Highlander.
There's only one Highlander.
I mean, there are many people who live in the Highlands.
dan friesen
I thought that there was these immortals and they have to kill each other.
unidentified
Sure!
jordan holmes
Of course they do, but the Highlander specifically refers to that he's from Scotland.
dan friesen
Oh, that's right.
Highlander isn't the group of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's been a while since I've seen those movies.
And obviously, as we all know from just appearance and conversational style alone, Sean Connery is indeed Egyptian in that movie.
dan friesen
And the original Bond.
jordan holmes
And the original Bond.
Yes, we've discovered so much today.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of education.
Referencing things we Googled just before getting on the show.
So, Jordan, today we have an interesting thing to go over.
We're going to be talking about February 10th and 11th, 2021.
jordan holmes
Blackjack!
dan friesen
I let you have that one.
jordan holmes
You let me have that one.
You son of a bitch.
You son of a bitch!
I was still late because I was halfway waiting for you to say it first.
dan friesen
I am disappointed in you because you had the open lane and you still stutter stepped.
jordan holmes
No, it's like...
You thought it was a trap.
It's Anthony Davis in the block, man.
You can feel him coming.
You're not going to go for the layup because he's going to swat it away from you.
dan friesen
I decided to hang back and just see what you had.
jordan holmes
And then I blew it.
dan friesen
So that is Wednesday and Thursday of this week.
And the reason that I wanted to check in on this is because, of course, the Trump impeachment is going on.
Sure.
unidentified
We'll discuss some feelings about that because both of us have.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I mean it feels important.
jordan holmes
It should be.
It feels like it's way more important than people are taking it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it has a vibe of everyone's like, this is our second one.
We've been here before.
We all know it should have been done in the first one.
So let's get this over with because these people are fucking nuts.
dan friesen
We'll talk about some of the specifics and stuff once we get into the episode.
But yeah, it's weird.
So before we get to business on the episode itself, let's take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Joe S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Joe.
dan friesen
Next, Connor VG.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Connor.
dan friesen
Next, Caroline H. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Caroline.
dan friesen
Sweet, Caroline.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Sorry.
Next, Nat MC.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Nat.
dan friesen
Next, Becky C. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Becky.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Ooh, I was trying to get ahead of the...
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I'm blackjackin' all the time.
Now I'm way too ramped up.
dan friesen
Next, Jim J. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jim.
dan friesen
And finally, Jasmina K. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jasmina!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Do you organize those?
Because I feel like our last episode was 99% fake joke names.
And this one just all seemed like normal people.
dan friesen
I...
Prepared a little bit today, whereas sometimes I will end up...
It changes.
It varies.
jordan holmes
It changes.
I gotcha.
dan friesen
It depends on how much time I have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're a busy man.
dan friesen
Yeah, before the episode.
I need to be better at organizing stuff, but I'm just not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now I read an article recently about how podcasters don't really need to do much work and the money is really good in the job, so...
dan friesen
Yeah, I saw a tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I assume that that's what you're up to.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Jordan, also, another thing we gotta do is we're gonna take a little moment here to give a very special Delilah message.
jordan holmes
Ooh, Delilah!
Okay.
dan friesen
We got an email.
jordan holmes
Quit beating up Samson, lady!
dan friesen
We got an email from Mike.
Uh-huh.
And he wanted us to play I'm Holding Out for a Hero.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
unidentified
He wanted us to play a little bit of James Ingram.
jordan holmes
Yep, that sounds right.
dan friesen
I'm having a real tough time coming up with songs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
But he reached out and he wanted us to give a little bit of a happy birthday message out to his partner, Lauren, whose birthday is actually yesterday when this is coming out.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
You know, some people have a birthday week.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I hope not.
dan friesen
Yeah, some people do that.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
You've not worked in an office in a long time.
I don't remember birthday weeks.
jordan holmes
I don't remember that there were birthday weeks.
dan friesen
You don't remember people who would just be like, this is my birthday week.
And it's like, yeah, but that's Thursday.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I choose to believe that we are not dealing with people who manufacture a personality based on their birthday.
I think these people are great, Dan.
dan friesen
So, Lauren, happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Lauren.
dan friesen
And you know what?
You can have three days.
Not a week.
jordan holmes
You can have three days.
We negotiated it down.
dan friesen
It's a birthday, three days.
And I'm sorry, Mike, that I couldn't improvise a better song idea than...
James Ingram's name, and I'm holding out for a hero.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with 2D2F.
Never mind.
dan friesen
The only James Ingram song I can come up with right now off the top of my head is Yamo Be There, featuring Michael McDonald.
Just listening to the Yacht Rock podcast.
jordan holmes
Any song with Michael McDonald is usually halfway good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, impeachment.
jordan holmes
Yes, what about it?
dan friesen
It is upon us.
jordan holmes
Anything going on?
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know.
Watching this stuff.
One of my big takeaways is that Castro looks solid with a beard.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, Joaquin Castro.
Yeah, I gotcha.
He does look better with a beard.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a nice looking beard.
That's about all I got.
jordan holmes
Does his twin have a beard?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, we should call him.
Because that's a man who needs a beard.
dan friesen
This is a pressing issue.
jordan holmes
This is what we need to talk about.
dan friesen
God, how great would it be to have a twin so you could try out facial hair styles?
jordan holmes
Oh, it'd be awesome.
dan friesen
You get twice as much done in terms of trying out styles.
jordan holmes
No, I think you are talking about a clone, Dan.
You are talking about a clone.
unidentified
Same thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just think his beard looked good.
And then beyond that, I don't know.
I feel like the image that's going to resonate with me is that video of the officer running down the hallway, running past Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney turning around and running the other way, paired with all the video of protesters talking about hanging Mike Pence.
Just the imagining what could have happened had that guy...
Goodman not said, you know, run the other way.
Run the other way.
You know, just the idea that someone who's a very high-level politician, someone who's very notable in politics, someone who ran for president, who's in the Senate, they probably would have killed him.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah, there was a little bit of me that was watching that part thinking like, and then the next thing you should say is if it weren't for him, Mitt Romney would be dead, guys.
Hey, 45 senators who are going to vote to unconvict, say you want Mitt Romney to die or shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, that's one way to put it, and I think that would be fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's pretty much the only way to go.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a really surreal thing to be seeing.
This conversation that's happening, and the people you're trying to persuade are like, you know, they're chanting to kill the vice president who they elected.
You understand that.
Until moments earlier, they were fine with the idea of supporting Mike Pence if he subverted the Constitution.
You understand.
Your name is very replaceable with that, in terms of who they are looking to kill.
jordan holmes
See, the problem there is, I think they thoroughly understand that, which is why they will be voting to acquit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know the dynamics, but it's pretty fucked up to see the information presented that way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's coherent, it makes sense, and it...
jordan holmes
It's almost hilariously over-the-top comprehensive, where, like, I was watching yesterday, and then today, and they were talking about how this is almost guaranteed, this is guaranteed to be the shortest impeachment trial in history.
And after watching those two days, I was like, that...
It does make sense in a normal, real-world situation, because you'd watch that and go, boy, the defense better come up with something real good.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's open and shut.
jordan holmes
And then you watch the defense's opening argument, and you're like, they're fucked.
They're fucked!
They got no chance.
dan friesen
Their opening statement might as well have been, come on!
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, I know!
unidentified
It's literally, hey, come on, he's not even president anymore.
jordan holmes
Get out of here!
dan friesen
Yeah, and was that Caster?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, his statement being like, Oh, they made some good points.
That's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep, yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We're all August members of this body.
I just want to...
Say, you guys are all great.
I love you.
Now, obviously, the prosecution makes some good points.
My client's guilty.
But I want you all to know that you're spectacular people.
dan friesen
I thought we were going to bicker about jurisdiction.
I am not prepared for this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Ooh, boy, it really does look like he committed those crimes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And all these sort of defenses that you see thrown around are like, well, Trump's rally couldn't have incited this because the people were planning for weeks in advance.
Like, well.
Ta-da.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Here's all the stuff that Trump was saying for weeks.
Yeah.
And I have no faith in any conclusion.
Like, I don't have any faith that there's going to be a conviction.
And I also don't have any faith that, you know, there's not going to be.
Also, like, I just, I see this and I'm bleh.
Yeah.
I feel numb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I wanted to see Alex's response to a lot of this.
unidentified
For sure.
dan friesen
Because I figure if anybody's gonna be mad about this, it'd be Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He, for the, since the impeachment, the second impeachment has come around, has been really, really insistent that Trump needs to get up there and put the whole system on trial.
jordan holmes
Yes, that would be great.
dan friesen
Trump needs to get in there and insist that he won the election.
It was stolen from him.
jordan holmes
He still can.
dan friesen
Alex is not happy that that is not happening.
jordan holmes
I would imagine so.
dan friesen
And so we'll get into a little bit of his response.
But first, here is an Out of Context Drop from today's show.
alex jones
Because I actually worship these people.
I hate them.
I can't stand them.
But I actually know everything about AOC, everything about Joe Biden, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping.
I shouldn't be looking at Xi Jinping ever.
I mean, what the hell's going on?
But I have to, because he's always up my ass.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
That's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we really shouldn't be looking at Alex Jones.
He's there.
dan friesen
But I can't look away.
jordan holmes
But we have to, because he's up America's ass.
dan friesen
Can't not look.
So...
Alex discusses the UN building a little bit at the beginning of this show here on February 10th.
He's talking about how, you know, he made that documentary Endgame.
And it has the UN building on the front of it.
And he wasn't supposed to be on air when this stuff was going on now.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
You know, all the stuff that's happening in the world?
jordan holmes
He was supposed to have been taken off the air way in advance.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you could either believe that, or you could believe that all that stuff he was saying about they have plans to take me off the air when their plans come to fruition was just nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's possible.
alex jones
We are not supposed to be on air right now.
We're supposed to be shut down long before they launch this operation.
If you saw my film Endgame, also a green mist on the cover, you will notice that I specifically say they're going to release...
Bio-weapon simulants to practice a lockdown, and then that they would launch stronger attacks each successive wave while posing as the saviors while it will be the United Nations that launches the attack.
Will you guys just type into a search engine, in-game blueprint for global enslavement, and click images?
Or maybe go out on the bookshelf and bring a DVD, and I want to show you the cover.
It's the UN building in New York City.
Paid for by the Rockefellers, and the land it sits on, paid for by the Rockefellers.
Strangely enough, I won't get into that story.
Well, I might as well.
It doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
My ancestor, my mom's side, owned that land, sold it, to then come start the Texas Revolution.
That was the Ayers family, but that is a side issue.
jordan holmes
They don't slaughterhouses on it.
unidentified
Do what now?
alex jones
Yeah, that's right.
Back in the 1820s.
That side of the family were Yankees in New York, folks.
Anyways, you can't really count me as a Texan.
My family's only been here on both sides since the 1820s, because once you're from New York, I guess you're always from New York.
But I am digressing, sorry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Very much so.
dan friesen
We have a nine-hour series about Endgame, and you can go and decide for yourself if...
That documentary is actually about what Alex thinks it is.
jordan holmes
I believe he's literally asking us to judge a book by its cover.
dan friesen
Yes.
A DVD by its cover.
jordan holmes
Let me show you this cover of the DVD.
dan friesen
I love the idea that Alex is, you know, he's making this physical land where the UN building sits into a personal issue for him.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
But there's a couple problems.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
The relative that Alex is talking about here is a guy named David Ayers.
He and his family were the ones who Colonel Travis left his son with and that Alex claims to be related to.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
This dude came to Texas in 1832.
Also, Colonel Travis didn't, like, adopt his son to them like Alex likes to pretend.
His son just stayed with the Ayers family to attend school while his dad drunkenly pretended to be a soldier at the Alamo.
The son only stayed with the family for two years.
It's not like...
jordan holmes
Two years is long enough to build a bond.
I'm not going to cut Ayers on that one.
dan friesen
You're not going to split Ayers?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I think that that's fine, but the way Alex presents it is like, they gave him his son.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He raised Colonel Travis' son.
jordan holmes
He was found in a manger.
dan friesen
Also, David Ayers himself actually wasn't from New York.
He was from Morristown, New Jersey, where he was born in 1793.
According to the Texas State Historical Association, David, quote, came to Texas to buy property and build a home.
Prior to that, he, quote, was a merchant in Ithaca, New York.
Ithaca is about 230 miles from New York City, so I have some doubts about this whole story of him owning the land that the U.N. building is on.
Well!
unidentified
Sounds like a load of bullshit that Alex tells himself in order to keep this fight with his imaginary enemies personal.
dan friesen
That's my land!
unidentified
That's my family's land that the UN building is on!
jordan holmes
Man, here's the thing about that.
It's fun.
If that's what you want to do, okay, I have a claim to that land back from the 1820s, then you also have to acknowledge that maybe somebody else had a claim to that land in the 1500s.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Alex's property rights began in the 1820s.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
I should have.
Was that in the Constitution?
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So there's this...
Thing in life where stuff happens gradually.
Alex tries to discuss how taking COVID seriously will lead to negative consequences, much like taking the Klan seriously leads us to kicking Trump off Twitter.
unidentified
This is one of these A to A, B to B. I'm going to need to hear this one.
dan friesen
It's an SAT situation.
jordan holmes
All the way through.
alex jones
So the first domino was the KKK and the white supremacists, most of them run by the Southern Property Law Center and the ADL.
And the FBI, that's come out in mainstream news.
jordan holmes
The ADL.
alex jones
And then the next, like, oh, I'm up for the Nazis, so let's take their speech away.
Let's take their bank accounts away.
And then next, it's, oh, it's Alex Jones.
Let's take everything he's got.
And then two years later, it's the President of the United States.
jordan holmes
No, I think these are all lumped in with the Nazis.
alex jones
Oh, just wear these masks for 15 days.
Oh, just stay in your house for 15 days.
Sounds reasonable.
It's the little domino.
Then it's all six months.
Then it's all two years.
Well, just take this COVID test.
Well, just have a contact tracer in your house.
Well, it's ten years in jail if you're seen outside your house, period.
I got the video.
They announced it yesterday.
In Parliament.
In Parliament.
Ten years in prison if you're seen outside your house when they tell you to quarantine.
dan friesen
So the problem with the argument that he's making is that, like, if there is behavioral similarities between the Klan...
Alex Jones and the president.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
In that they're all breaking the terms of service of a certain platform.
Sure.
Them getting kicked off.
It's not like some kind of a dominoes falling situation.
It's more of just a consistency of the rules.
jordan holmes
Only Nazis would expect justice to be applied fairly, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense.
And then in terms of the evolving situation with COVID, it's like...
We didn't do any of those things.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
All of those things.
It's like, yeah, 15 days, 30 days.
Like, we didn't do those things.
Or at least...
Some people didn't to a large enough extent that those were not effective, or at least as effective as they could be.
And then secondarily, the government didn't provide material support to people to enable them to do these safety measures in a way that would have been meaningful.
And so we end up with a situation that gets worse and worse, and the mitigation things that you would prescribe for that become...
Larger.
So it's not the dominoes falling.
It's just us not taking care of a problem.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but mitigation efforts that were already planned for and in place that Jared Kushner, according to witnesses, denied specifically because it would only hurt Democrats more.
Making it more of a genocide situation.
Just saying.
Just tossing that out there.
dan friesen
But if you're outside your house, you're going to go to prison for 10 years.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
In the UK.
This is nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The actual story is about how the UK government has rolled out Yeah, 1,750 pounds.
The discussion of a 10-year sentence is for people who knowingly lie about where they're returning to the UK from in order to skip and skirt public health measures and the required quarantining.
Everyone can still go outside their houses.
Alex is just trying to scare people.
that sounds about right.
Yep.
And I am positive that, you know, that is a high figure for a lot of people.
But also, I would assume that people who are coming from these countries or people who are coming in from vacations to those countries, possibly people who would be able to afford the quarantining.
And I would also assume that if not, there's probably...
At least some sort of a program in place to help people who don't have the means for the sake of public safety.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not, I don't know.
Anyway, it's all a load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is lying.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
So, we know that Alex is a violent chap.
jordan holmes
From all of his words and deeds.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Those would be how we identify.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
His regular tone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His insistence on encouraging people to be violent.
jordan holmes
His behaviors in all of the stories he tells about accosting people as though he's the hero.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it turns out he's not.
We're right now, by we, I mean Alex and his audience.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We are in a riptide.
And if you fight...
When you're in a Riptide, you're going to drown.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Right?
So you can't fight.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Riptides.
dan friesen
You don't?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Oh, see, much like Mochi, Riptides were a part of my growing up in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally, yes.
dan friesen
And, yeah, there is a certain amount of truth to it.
Like, if you get taken in an undertow or something, you will generally end up, like, just getting...
unidentified
You gotta slide it and you'll come out.
dan friesen
Fighting against it is not a great strategy.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Because you're just gonna stay under and drown.
dan friesen
It can be very bad.
And it's really scary.
I've been through similar things a bunch of times in my younger years.
But this metaphor doesn't quite work the way Alex wants it to.
Because what he's sort of saying is like, we're gonna take some bumps in this riptide and then we'll be spit out from the riptide and be in safety.
It'll be scary.
But, you know, you can't fight, because if you fight, that's when you're going to drown.
But then, at the end, he also says that people are coming to kill your family.
alex jones
I liken this to getting caught in a riptide.
And I, one time, foolishly, when I was a teenager, they had red flags out.
I'm like, I'm a great swimmer.
I mean, hell, before I quit doing it, when I was 13, I was a champion swimmer, wearing all the blue ribbons in Dallas.
And I thought, I can get out there.
I'm 18 years old.
I got grabbed in one of those things, and I knew what to do, and it sucked me under.
I said, just hold your breath and relax.
Don't fight it, and it spit me out.
50 yards, and I was okay, but it scared the living hell out of me.
Well, let me just tell you, we're already being pulled under, so there's not time to even get air.
You're just holding it and relaxed, baby, because you panic, you're going to die.
So, this is not negative.
This is biblical.
It's all going to happen, and...
It's going to get so bad within a few years, you're just going to be totally blown away.
They're going to tighten, tighten, tighten, release a little, and then clamp down even harder, and then release a little, and clamp down even harder.
Mass suicides, death, there'll be COVID deaths from the vaccines everywhere, it's already happening, and they'll just normalize it, and then all these college students that don't have jobs are going to have government paychecks, their own uniforms, they're already coming to your house, armed, armed.
The communists are coming, armed for you and your family, and they're going to kill you, so get ready.
dan friesen
So we shouldn't do anything.
We're in a riptide.
unidentified
We should just hold your breath and relax.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Or should I be worried about the armed commies coming to kill my family?
jordan holmes
Well, those would seem important to you, but they're not coming to kill Alex's family, so we need to just sit tight and we'll get through this.
dan friesen
Much like how a T-Rex can't see you in the movies when the commies come to your door.
If you hold your breath and relax, they can't see you.
jordan holmes
I just can't...
Why do you also have to have blue ribbons in swimming?
Why does it always gotta be every time there's a new...
He's like a Stevie Peas in high school.
He's like, I was there, I did all of the stuff.
dan friesen
He's the best at everything.
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
And not all of it can be true, but that's close enough to like...
I could believe that.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
I don't have any problem with that.
I just have a problem with this is yet another in the long list of things where he tosses off.
You know, I won all the awards when I was there.
Anyways.
dan friesen
I won the title for most specialist boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's like Jesus to you.
dan friesen
Come on, buddy.
Yeah, come on.
Yeah, so that's an incoherent message that he's sending his audience there because at the end of it, I feel like he'd negated a lot of the ideas that you'd want to be...
Sending when you tell people you're in a Riptide.
Relax.
We're going to get out the other side of this.
Yeah, I feel like he's telling you to fight that Riptide.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
See, because he said relax first.
dan friesen
Yeah, like I said, it's incoherent.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
These clauses are dependent on each other.
So first get the Riptide and then die.
dan friesen
So what do you know about Pablo Escobar?
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Did you not watch Narcos?
jordan holmes
I did not watch Narcos.
dan friesen
They knew to die.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Man had elephants, I know that.
dan friesen
He was in the movie Blow.
He was featured as a character in the movie Blow.
jordan holmes
All-time great mustache, I believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All-time great.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pee-wee Herman was also in there.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
Yep.
All-time great mustache, by the way.
dan friesen
I learned from listening to this that not only did he have elephants, he also had hippos.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Hippos are dangerous.
dan friesen
Yes.
Alex.
Goes on a very long ramble about the dangers of hippos.
jordan holmes
He was voted best hippo in high school.
dan friesen
Best hippo wrangler.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I used to do...
unidentified
I was like a matador, but for hippos.
dan friesen
So Pablo Escobar had these hippos, and they got...
Now that they've bred, and now hippos are somewhere where they shouldn't be.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
They're an invasive species.
dan friesen
And so now people want to cull them.
This leads Alex to saying that there may be some good arguments.
For human calling.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
And I would like to remind you, he is a noted eugenics disliker, this guy.
jordan holmes
Theoretically.
Theoretically.
alex jones
Pablo Escobar down in South America got, what was it, four hippos something like 40 years ago.
Back in the 80s.
Back when I was a little kid.
And now, reportedly, there's just thousands of these hippos running around.
And by the way, if you didn't know, the hippo's the most deadly animal in the world.
It'll kill an elephant, it'll kill a lion, it'll kill a grizzly bear.
There's nothing more powerful on land than a hippopotamus.
Everything runs in fear.
The 20-foot crocodiles run in fear.
You can watch videos of a hippo just grabbing a 20-foot crocodile and just throwing it around like it's a toothpick.
So now, all over where Pablo lived, there's just giant hippopotamuses everywhere.
And so now they want to cull them.
Now they want to cull the hippopotamuses.
And I'm like, yeah, they don't come from there?
Yeah, they're killing everything?
Okay, kill them.
But see, I'm a human being.
I don't need to be culled.
But see, the globalists, they say, Jones, you notice you're telling people this, and they don't care.
That's because they're not conscious, they're just eating food, and their genetics are bad, and they're breeding, and we need to get rid of them.
We're not racist.
We're going to kill the dumb black people, the dumb white people, the dumb Hispanics, the dumb Asians.
And that itself is playing God as evil.
And I don't support that.
jordan holmes
That's the problem?
alex jones
There's an argument there.
But then you say the globalists, they're into Satanism, they're into playing God, their real documents are they want to overwrite everything and not save the earth and believe they're going to just be able to make all the planets they want once they become AI, artificially intelligent, singularity, godlike.
And they're just in a mad race sacrificing the earth as a testing ground to this ascension.
dan friesen
So that's a lot of nonsense, but I just find it really interesting whenever Alex has these hypothetical conversations with globalists, and he's like, ah, there's an argument to be made for going off the dumb.
jordan holmes
Listen, listen, I'm not saying it's a bad idea in philosophy.
alex jones
That's very weird.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying in practice it can go wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I would say that if your branding is such that Alex puts forth, you should never say that there's an argument to be made.
jordan holmes
It's not eugenics if it's dumb people.
That's not a race.
Sure, it's never been used in a way that's not racist.
Sure, there's a track record of some people maybe using this for their own racist purposes.
dan friesen
Oh, hey, Alex, you know how you see some people as dumb?
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
Think about that for a little while.
jordan holmes
Is he thinking that it's playing God because God had already done the Noah thing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
So he's almost a little mad at God.
He was like, what are you doing?
You should have just got rid of the dumb ones.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We could have had plenty of fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You shouldn't have let the dum-dums on the boat.
jordan holmes
And then you put all those goddamn hippos on the boat.
They're everywhere.
Now we're calling them!
dan friesen
Classic mistake.
jordan holmes
Classic God.
dan friesen
So Alex is not afraid of anything.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
He's a strong, strong boy who's only slightly afraid of riptides.
jordan holmes
He's afraid of Shadowgate.
dan friesen
Well, he's afraid of his former employees, probably.
alex jones
So people ask how I'm doing.
I am totally committed.
I have no fear.
I've gone way past everything.
I'm not worried, even about my family.
I love my family, but I've just had to turn it over to God.
Because the enemy's done horrible things to my family.
Horrible things to me behind the scenes that you don't even know about.
And I've just said, hey, it's okay.
It's God's plan.
I'm not mad at God.
I appreciate it.
I understand.
Because my children don't have a future anyways if we don't beat this.
You don't either.
None of us.
It's okay.
And you watch.
That first lawyer that got up and groveled like a dog with his tail between his legs that rolled over and pissed all over itself and just, oh, you're so powerful, Schumer.
I love you, sir.
Oh, you're so much better than us.
Great job with your presentation on Trump.
He was just shaking because there's not men in this country.
I told you Trump was surrounded by a bunch of damn cowards!
unidentified
Not by invincible 5D chess!
dan friesen
You talked about the dimensions in chess quite a bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't fucking pretend.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That transition was as jarring as it seemed in the clip.
jordan holmes
It felt so.
dan friesen
Yeah, it felt a little bit sharp.
It was a little weird.
jordan holmes
It took a turn.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex is now mad at these lawyers being soft.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Fair point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I think everybody pretty universally agreed that Caster did a real shit job.
dan friesen
Not great lawyers.
So Alex kind of is a little bit like...
Touch and go on the impeachment trial.
Yells about the lawyer being weak a little bit, but then doesn't spend too much time talking about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I kind of halfway assumed that today we would be talking about a secret migrant caravan, and we wouldn't even know the impeachment happened.
dan friesen
No, it's sort of dancing around a little bit, you know, like side issues to the impeachment.
Like, for instance, the fact that Democrats all have Chinese spy handlers.
In their offices.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Now, not only that, they all have Chinese spy handlers.
Nobody knows what the name of the Chinese spy agency is called.
alex jones
Most of the Democrats have Chinese spy handlers of Chinese intelligence.
So secret, the name of Chinese intelligence is not even known.
But I know its name.
jordan holmes
What is it?
alex jones
And you all know its name.
jordan holmes
What is it?
alex jones
Because everything hides in plain view.
jordan holmes
Like what?
unidentified
Like what?
alex jones
America is the red, white, and blue.
China is the red dragon.
jordan holmes
A what?
What's the name of the...
alex jones
The old snake.
The old serpent.
Diablo.
jordan holmes
The devil?
alex jones
So let's talk about some positive news.
unidentified
It's the devil.
jordan holmes
We're just doing word association games.
That's all we're doing.
dan friesen
Who would have thought the big reveal would be it's the devil?
It's actually the Ministry of State Security.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
The devil.
jordan holmes
Diablo.
dan friesen
He couldn't come up with old scratch there, I think.
He was probably pretty pissed in the moment.
Old snake.
Come on, man.
Scratch is way better.
alex jones
Dude.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is thinking about the devil, and so...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This clip is actually just titled, This Show is Stupid.
alex jones
They won't...
We want you by increment to get caught by this and to be too late.
You've got the whole blueprint, folks.
The blueprint for global enslavement.
The blueprint for global extermination.
You have the enemy operation.
You have it in Revelation.
You have it in Daniel.
You have it in Ezekiel.
You have it all around you.
You have it in your soul.
unidentified
All you've got to do is decide.
alex jones
That you don't want to be part of it and make the metaphysical decision to cut yourself off from Satan.
Then God will extricate you out of that.
You need God to do it, but God says you've got to let me in and I come knocking.
I come knocking.
Let me in.
Let me in.
But you've got to open the door because God isn't like Satan that rams down the door and lies to you from the time you're a child to steal your essence, to steal your will, to steal Your ability to interface with God and your free will.
God doesn't touch that.
Satan's all about encasing you from birth in a matrix so he can fool your soul.
He's the only way he can win because he's not a god.
He's a fraud!
jordan holmes
Wait, can he win?
alex jones
He's a liar!
He's a devil!
dan friesen
Not so impactful to yell that the devil is a devil.
jordan holmes
He's a devil!
That should come with a more upwards inflection.
dan friesen
That passion seemed so fake to me.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was just so boring and cookie-cutter.
Anyway, one thing that's very exciting, maybe another bright spot, is that my cat has jumped into my lap and is insisting on being very affectionate right now.
jordan holmes
Well, a car horn just went off a few times.
dan friesen
A little guest appearance there on the mic.
unidentified
There it is.
dan friesen
Get on my lap.
jordan holmes
Get kick on.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess she probably, you know, Celine probably heard some devil talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I gotta get in on this.
jordan holmes
Gotta protect him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, actually, she was trying to delay the inevitable, and that is that I need to tell you about a couple guests that we have on this show.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They just got kicked off Twitter.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's Jim and Jim's brother, Hoff.
I can't remember his brother's name.
Jim Hoft and Joe Hoft, maybe?
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're the brothers Hoft.
The brothers Hoft.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, the Gateway Pundit dudes, they got kicked off Twitter.
And so they come on to complain about that, and I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we don't want to listen to an hour of whining?
dan friesen
No, not really.
But, you know, Jim Hoft, his main point seems to be that this isn't a cult of personality about Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
jim hoft
You know, we're not going to have another candidate like that for a while.
alex jones
Donald Trump was, you know, a once-in-a-lifetime candidate.
jim hoft
So these Republicans better wake up.
And I think it's also imperative that a lot of these rhinos get replaced by other pro-Trump populist candidates in the next primary.
We have to get rid of some of this dead weight in the Republican Party.
dan friesen
If you don't want to sound crazy, I would recommend you not say whether or not a candidate in a future election is pro the president who is no longer in office.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would say that that is a real designation of a crazy person.
jordan holmes
It's not a cult of personality, Dan.
I just want everyone to agree that a single person is the greatest human being that ever lived and we should do whatever he says.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If you were running a Democratic candidate and they were like, this is the pro-Obama candidate, I would look at that also as weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It'd be very weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm uncomfortable with it.
Very strange.
So Alex is, you know, he's talking about how, like, you know, they've stolen the election.
You know, they steal the election.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then we know that they've stolen the election, so that makes us not vote, and that makes it easier for them to steal.
And then he goes out to break with something.
Really upsetting.
alex jones
In blue states and blue cities, people get to knowing that once they take over, it's permanent, then we stop voting, then it makes it easier for them to cover up the fraud.
Say hi to your brother.
Let's talk about how we still get people to vote even though we know it's a fraud.
Should we keep voting when we come back or what is our recourse?
Is it the cartridge box?
I hope not.
unidentified
You cannot hide a grand assault.
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a second.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, is it the cartridge box?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hope not.
Gross.
So, you heard that at the end.
You can't hide the assault.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex's commercial here is a little weird.
I'm now back to listening.
jordan holmes
Well, it started off great.
dan friesen
I'm listening to this episode on the GCN feeds.
So, this is a commercial that would have been played out on the radio.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I will tell you, it has a very different tone than the commercials and reads that we've heard Alex give on our recent episodes.
It's a little bit more fucked up.
And it also sounds like he's jacking it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Please, listener discretion advised.
He sounds...
jordan holmes
We may be tubing-ing by proxy.
dan friesen
He sounds so creepy.
unidentified
You cannot hide a grand assault.
America is about to have its energy cut off, its borders destroyed.
alex jones
It's dollar brought down to nothing.
All of you that have served Satan believe that you are the right team.
You're about to find out how pathetic you are.
So I ask all of you who are awake and who love God, stop living in fear.
The enemy is about to expose itself.
The enemy can't help itself.
unidentified
The enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy.
alex jones
We sit here as good people and get upset about that and try to stop it, and we should, but once it comes through, once it hits us, once it's dominating us and raping us and attacking us, we just have to point out we tried to stop it.
jordan holmes
This is on the radio!
alex jones
So prepare yourselves, America.
You're going under judgment, just like all the children that were aborted.
This is the truth.
This is the Infowar.
jordan holmes
God damn!
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Quite a bumper.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex, it sounds like your voice is a little bit scratchlier than usual.
You realize we're cutting promos today.
alex jones
I've forgotten.
jordan holmes
I smoked an entire pack of cigarettes about 20 minutes ago.
dan friesen
Sorry about that.
I'm three quarters drunk.
I'm jacking off.
I'm hiding from my wife and I'm recording this under a blanket on a cell phone.
jordan holmes
With a little flashlight?
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
No, I'm not going to bed yet!
dan friesen
That's supposed to be like a million dollar operation.
That sounded like shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was garbage.
dan friesen
I think one of the things that's going on is, I think he was probably fucked up, but he's also trying to really do that movie voice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was doing LaFontaine.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was trying to do that really dramatic voice.
Because I think that this is tailored more towards a possibly random person that could be listening on the radio to really pique their interest.
To be like, oh, what is this?
This is exciting.
He missed the mark, though.
Oh, no.
The voice sounds creepy as shit.
jordan holmes
I heard that, and I thought, ooh, I need to know more.
dan friesen
But you compare that to the meandering, random bullshit that's on the actual InfoWars feed, because he knows that that's targeting his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's pretty clear.
I just think that it's really funny that this is what he thinks goes to the wide net.
jordan holmes
That's what I was thinking.
It's amazing that he can fail in multiple ways.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's remarkable.
jordan holmes
It is.
You know, I like to imagine that, you know, if I failed in a different arena, I would be aware of it.
I wouldn't just be like, yeah, I killed it.
I can do literally anything.
dan friesen
Wow.
It's done.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
So this is a good strategy for Alex to try and get new listeners in.
Just do these creepy jack-off commercials about the end of America.
jordan holmes
Alex, this sounds really creepy.
I only do one thing.
dan friesen
You're not paying me for two.
So that's a good strategy.
Another good strategy might be, hey, Paul?
Paul Joseph Watson?
My oldest friend?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why don't you promote my shit?
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
I'm not mad about it.
alex jones
Please remember, everything the enemy does is about shutting us down.
That's why we built Bandot Video.
That's why we updated Infowars.com, NewsWars.com.
Paul's got his Summit.News.
She'd promote us more on there, but whatever.
Still love Paul.
dan friesen
Not mad about it.
Totally not mad about it.
I was thinking about it like, yeah, what isn't it for Paul to promote InfoWars?
jordan holmes
Zero reason.
dan friesen
It's really in his best interest to play down the connection.
jordan holmes
As far away from InfoWars as possible.
dan friesen
There's nothing else that he can get out of it other than, like, not making Alex mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that he has to worry about.
He's gotten as much publicity as could come out of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why the...
dan friesen
He's arguably bigger.
jordan holmes
That's why the band on the Titanic...
Kept playing is because they didn't want the captain to be angry.
So they were like, well, I guess this is where we die.
I don't want to piss that guy off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It only hurts Paul to remind people that he worked at Infowars for 20 years.
Yeah.
If I were him, I would do the exact same thing.
Goodbye.
So Alex is mad about Trump's lawyer being polite for the most part.
I mean, incompetent, too.
But Alex seems more mad that he's polite about his presentation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, they're in the chambers.
jordan holmes
Bordering on obsequious.
dan friesen
Sure.
But there's a certain decorum that comes along with congressional speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's the pageantry of being in the Senate halls that was literally just stormed.
dan friesen
You refer to people as the gentleman or the lady from New Hampshire or whatever the fuck.
Alex is mad about that.
alex jones
I just want to play a few clips from yesterday.
We got some of the new stuff today coming up as well.
Just to show you with enemies.
Like this.
Well, imagine what your real enemies are like.
jordan holmes
A what?
unidentified
Nailed it.
alex jones
Because that's the old saying.
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
When you look at just this foppish, preening, just classic BS artist lawyer in there ingratiating himself and groveling to Chuckie Schumer when all Schumer takes out his weakness and congratulating him and just all of this.
And then saying, this will turn around and bite you later if you do it.
Yeah, they're tyrants.
They don't care about chivalry.
dan friesen
He's just mad.
There's not a lot of analysis at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think the big thing that he's mad about in terms of the conversation that happens throughout the impeachment stuff is that, like, the defense is not arguing that Trump won the election.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They're taking as granted that Biden won.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is pretty mad about that.
Because that's the only thing you could really get people, like, distracted by.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That stupid argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That you can't...
But the reason they're not doing that is because that doesn't belong in court.
That belongs on Infowars and right-wing media outlets.
But yeah, he's a little bit upset that that world isn't being, like, taken over by his shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, it is...
Maybe it's their best defense.
Honestly, after looking at the opening arguments, maybe their best defense would be like, we're putting this whole thing on trial.
Actually, Trump is president.
That's why it's fine that everybody did this, and you're all the ones who should be impeached!
dan friesen
If you want to gum up the works and possibly create new problems for yourself, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think Caster's already gone far enough.
He might as well jump off the edge.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, look.
If you want it to be interesting, yeah, probably that's the way to go.
But it would be a disgrace.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It wouldn't work.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
But yeah, I think that Alex has gotten a little bit used to the last four years, five years of politics descending to his level.
And this is a concrete instance of it not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that probably would be pretty frustrating.
And then at the same time, you have Biden's comments of the Senate has an important role to play and to do their job, trying to stay above the fray and trying to keep himself removed from the process.
And that's got to really piss off Alex, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would imagine so.
dan friesen
So he does the only thing that he knows how to do, and that is talk to a comedian.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
He has a comedian.
Let's see if you know who this guy is.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I can't give you any clues, though.
Have you ever heard of Dave Landau?
jordan holmes
I have heard of...
I've heard the name before.
dan friesen
It's funny, because on band.video, the segment that he's on, I believe, refers to him as a top comedian.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
Usually means they're not.
He apparently hosts or co-hosts with Anthony Cumia.
Anthony Cumia's new show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Or whatever show the fuck he's doing now.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I'm shocked that I didn't get a call to co-host on that one, too.
I feel like I'm the guy for that.
dan friesen
Are you comparing me to Anthony Cumia?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because you better not be.
I'll take that as quite an insult.
So, yeah, Dave Landau is on, and I think he tries to make a few jokes.
jordan holmes
How's it go?
dan friesen
Not great.
Alex is not a good scene partner, as we know.
I only have one clip here because I don't care about what Dave Landau has to say about cancel culture.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I don't particularly care about his perspective on the impeachment because it's not interesting.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then anything that he has to say about cancel culture, I'm like, you fucking co-host a show with Anthony Cumia.
jordan holmes
Who gives up?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
I have very little interest in what any white comedian has to say about cancel culture.
dan friesen
Strike one, you host a show with Anthony Cumia.
Strike two, you're on...
unidentified
It's not even so much taking that big of a stand.
It's just telling people not to be completely blind.
And I think the only thing that most people are really seeing is that this is going to end in some kind of bloody civil war.
And the way that it's starting to look, I can see that.
I can see their point.
But I just think if people just calm down and stop turning on mainstream media, Stare at the television and have fear pumped into you.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally unlike the show you're on.
jordan holmes
That would be terrifying.
What kind of monster would force people to watch four straight hours of fear-mongering?
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel like you really...
Look like a real ding-dong when you say something like that on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that either means that you accepted a booking on a platform as maligned and notorious as Infowars without having done any due diligence about the place you're on, or somehow you don't see what Alex does as rank fear-mongering.
jordan holmes
No, that's not rank fear-mongering.
That's waking people up, Dan.
dan friesen
Screaming about the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
It's really simple what he's doing.
He's just asking people not to be blind, Dan.
That's all he's doing.
It's the mainstream media that's pumping fear into your blood all the time by reporting news.
dan friesen
I would say that anybody who works for any kind of mainstream media outlet, if they behaved in any kind of way close to what Alex does, they might be in jail.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At least would be sued.
Over and over and over.
They'd be fired.
It's just, it's wildly irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Or they would be Bret Stephens.
That's also a possibility.
dan friesen
Possibly.
That leads me to believe that maybe this Dave Lantau guy is not incredibly sincere.
Maybe a little bit disingenuous with his perspective.
So, that ends the 10th.
The 10th was The Brothers Hoffed.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Weird comedian?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Surface level.
jordan holmes
Fairly certain that one of the big deals of stuff is happening right now.
dan friesen
On the 10th?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You mean the impeachment?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I feel like that's important.
dan friesen
Yeah, but a lot of the hearings on the 10th were happening after Alex was on air.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
You're right.
Some of the stuff he didn't have any way of knowing until the next day, the 11th, when he's on air.
And he's still a little surface.
I'll be honest.
He's not covering it nearly as much.
I mean, because from Alex's perspective, that makes sense.
The election was stolen, according to Alex.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's all imaginary.
dan friesen
So why engage with the substance of the thing if the thing...
That kind of seems to be where he's at.
jordan holmes
Explain to me how Alex seems to have a more cogent position on what he imagines is imaginary and how much we should talk about it than the rest of us do.
dan friesen
I won't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, he starts off on the 11th talking about Bill Gates, because, of course.
alex jones
This is the most important news of our lifetimes.
It is official, what Bill Gates called for on Bill Moyers, and what he called for at TED Talks, and what he called for on CNN.
We have three clips of it in the last few years.
Calling for the euthanasia of old people because we, quote, can't pay for the aging population in Europe, the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand.
And he says, so you kill a teacher, and then you can...
Or, excuse me, you kill an old person and you can hire ten teachers.
And that's not how it really works, but they put that preface out there.
jordan holmes
But you kill ten teachers and you fish for a lifetime.
alex jones
That's the moral thing to do.
And so the reports are pouring in every day.
Five died here, four died here, three died here, ten died here, seven died here.
And it's only in the nursing homes where the employees notice all of the death.
And say something.
Most of these places know to keep it quiet and say they died of something else.
But in many of the cases, I'm going to read to you from the CDC's own website.
Oh, they even have a record of this.
Some of them die within 15...
dan friesen
So Alex is claiming that someone died 15 minutes after getting a COVID-19 vaccine, and then he presents that as evidence that the two are causally connected.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's the level of work he does.
He just associates two things and insists that he has then proven that they're connected when he's done no such thing.
Alex could legit show me a news story about someone dying as they're getting vaccinated, and it still doesn't prove the claim that the vaccine's related to that person's death.
There's an unfortunate reality here, and that is that Alex either doesn't understand that dynamic of reality, or he understands all too well how easy it is to trick people into Yeah, yeah.
But also, Bill Gates wasn't advocating killing old people so he could hire teachers.
It's easy to misconstrue his words that way, but the conversation he was having that Alex always takes out of context is about exorbitant medical costs and what can be done about that.
jordan holmes
Right, which is a thing that literally most of the world is dealing with right now as population explodes.
It's not unique to anywhere.
It's like, oh shit, what are we going to do?
Those fucking baby boomers wrecked us.
dan friesen
It's easy to look at that conversation that Bill Gates has had in these public forums.
As being like, well, mathematically, if we just kill all the old people, we can hire old people.
And that's not the conversation, though.
jordan holmes
No, that would be a facetious argument that I would make in a debate where somebody's like, oh, well, old people are dragging.
I'm like, then let's kill all of the old people!
dan friesen
I bet you could sarcastically make that argument against Alex and win the debate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
He's got a lot of nothing.
jordan holmes
Actually, that's a really good idea.
dan friesen
So Alex is now more mad at Trump's lawyers.
This is intentional.
They're fucking setting him up.
alex jones
Officially, we now know that the lawyers that Trump hired, because the first groups were bad, the second group was bad, the third group was bad, have all either sued him or Democrats that hate him and said that Trump's a criminal, and they're actually sabotaging him.
Publicly saying he deserves to be kicked out of office and that voters were smart and voted him out.
So instead of putting on evidence of election fraud, the lawyers are all slipping in.
By the way, the Americans are smart.
They kicked Trump out.
dan friesen
Trump's getting sandbagged.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
When that lawyer was saying that, he was trying to get the shit thrown out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he said that, you know, like, hey, there's another president and it seems like the process has worked fine.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Elections are how we solve problems like corrupt dictators.
Historically, you have an election!
dan friesen
So let's not do this.
jordan holmes
Nah, come on!
dan friesen
If the goal is winning the case, that is...
Maybe a decent argument to try.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
If we didn't have any precedent for it, if this was the first time, if this was like 1810, and we were having one of these, and people were having that argument, I'd be like, I don't know.
Have we ever tried this before?
Maybe give it a shot!
dan friesen
So look, this is about January 6th.
This was about the storming of the Capitol.
This impeachment trial is about that.
It's easy to lose sight of that from time to time because of nefarious shitheads who make stuff up and whatever.
But look, that was not cool.
That happening.
Because provocateurs did it to make...
Alex looked bad because people who are in the same communities as Alex or appear to be are being violent.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, at the same time, violence is cool, too.
alex jones
Look, we are well past the point of being able to righteously use violence against these institutions and organizations.
But having a few Democrats and a few infiltrator groups trigger, out of hundreds of thousands of peaceful people in D.C., a few hundred to go in the Capitol so you can be called insurrectionist and terrorist is not the place of the time for it.
dan friesen
Okay.
Again, incoherent messaging.
jordan holmes
No, I think that one is actually really coherent.
We should absolutely storm the Capitol.
This was bad planning.
They tricked us into not storming the Capitol on the 20th when we would have all been able to actually kill everybody.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think he's essentially saying that it wasn't the right time to fire the shot heard around the world.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
But the reason it's incoherent is because I don't think he wants to take responsibility for that cut-and-dry message.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
That's why it's incoherent.
That is what's behind, well, yeah, violence is obviously justified, but this was a misstep.
And that's why I blame it on agitators and provocateurs.
jordan holmes
They tricked us into shooting before we were ready to shoot.
So, in that case, I'm pretty sure he's saying that, well, yeah, obviously we wanted to kill everybody and overthrow the country.
We just wanted to do it at the right time so we would win.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
I mean, Alex even gets into his bloodlust.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I was in a halfway decent mood today, but I was already aware of the euthanasia of the old, and how would I come on air and give it the gravitas it needs so we don't all just get conditioned to accepting this.
jordan holmes
You said it five years ago.
alex jones
And I was reading the statistics and the numbers and just going through the stacks.
And I physically became nauseous.
dan friesen
No, you didn't.
alex jones
Because my nervous system was telling me, you need to go visit violence upon the people that are doing this.
If you let them kill old people like this and kill babies already born and they admit they're doing it, you are an accomplice.
My very cells are telling me, defend these people.
So for all of you out there that are mad at me because I'm saying let's not be violent, let's not be offensive, I understand your guts and your blood and your soul and your mind is burning with the desire to kill.
I understand that.
I want to stop these people just as much as you do.
But we've got to be wise as serpents and peaceful as doves and walk gently but carry a big stick.
dan friesen
I don't think you pulled it off.
unidentified
What was that?
jordan holmes
I'm gonna end with two cliches because I realized that I just basically told everybody that it's fine to kill.
And that I want to, too.
So, you gotta walk softly and carry a big stick, Dan.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex might not be lying about reading Infowars comments because that sounds like him responding to a lot of feedback of people who are like...
Alex, you're soft.
jordan holmes
Let's just go kill him.
Let's just go kill him.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's Alex trying to have an olive branch to the murderous audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and also, do you know who else anthropomorphizes their murderous intentions?
dan friesen
Who's that?
jordan holmes
Serial killers.
dan friesen
Look, he wants to kill.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he understands that the audience wants to kill, and they're connected on this.
jordan holmes
I feel like there's a problem there.
dan friesen
But you gotta be wise as a serpent.
jordan holmes
I feel like there's a problem there, too.
dan friesen
It doesn't get better.
alex jones
I just want everybody to know the left and Apple and Facebook and Twitter and Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey, you know what you're doing and you are just as guilty as Bill Gates, especially Mark Zuckerberg who works directly under him.
He's the next guy in line to be science officer of North America for the New World Order.
And you guys are mass murdering killers, and I know who you are, and everybody knows who you are, and you will pay for what you've done, murderers.
I don't care what you do to me.
You are guilty.
Everybody else is scared to call your asses out.
So I'll just tell everybody.
I was on the air the other day, and I said, if the Civil War starts, don't go after the cops and military.
That's a diversionary tactic to wipe them out for the Chinese and have a civil war.
Don't have the civil war.
That's why they've had the lockdowns, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, try to provoke a terrorist to get a civil war where we all kill each other.
We don't want a civil war.
We want a removal of the globalists and their collaborators.
Yikes.
dan friesen
You just named a number of people.
jordan holmes
What we want to do is remove these people that I have pointed out for you.
dan friesen
We're guilty of murder.
jordan holmes
And I have specifically said that violence and everything is okay because they're murderers.
dan friesen
And we're well past the point of being able to righteously justify violence.
jordan holmes
Righteous violence is way back then.
dan friesen
Now granted, the storming of the Capitol was bad planning, but what would be good planning is...
unidentified
He's clearly implying what would be good planning.
jordan holmes
What are you guys doing storming the Capitol with only a few hundred people?
You can't win.
What you should be doing, targeted assassinations!
What are you guys, stupid?
dan friesen
And you know what's unfortunate, too?
Mark Zuckerberg is one of the people that's on Alex's list, but Alex constantly calls him Jeff Zuckerberg.
There might be a Jeff Zuckerberg out there who gets targeted because Alex can't remember the dude's name.
jordan holmes
Oh man, he wields too much power and is too dumb to handle it.
dan friesen
So this is really irresponsible and I think you could make a pretty good argument that using shifty language, Alex is probably telling his audience that...
Should maybe kill my enemies.
jordan holmes
I think one of the things about the evidence in the impeachment trial that I've noticed was how many times that they did a really good job of avoiding allowing that kind of clause to excuse any behavior.
So often they played Trump's words and you're literally like, yeah, we all know he said...
Peacefully.
We should all protest peacefully.
And then they're like, yeah, but we've got 300 examples of him saying otherwise.
So you can't pull that bullshit.
This is a pattern behavior.
Alex Jones is essentially on trial in the same way.
dan friesen
Our show, in some ways, is a...
Rigorous, completely without legal backing trial of his words.
jordan holmes
In many ways, yeah.
dan friesen
And I would say he's guilty.
It's just that there is not a specific crime yet.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's just the behavior that would lead to that.
Just thank God people have not carried out his clear commands.
So yeah, he's mad about this trial because these lawyers are throwing the case, man.
alex jones
Here's another question.
Are Trump's lawyers tanking the impeachment trial on purpose?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Or are they just shitty?
unidentified
Yes, folks.
alex jones
Everybody knows these lawyers.
These are very competent lawyers.
They are sabotaging Trump because they've been told to.
They wouldn't have had a trial unless it was rigged.
That's why his lawyers are like, Trump actually lost the election, and you've done a great job, and you proved he's bad.
You've proved he's guilty.
Because it's a bunch of cowards.
The globalists are making their move.
All these so-called men are a bunch of pinstripe-wearing, knuckle-dragging, dirty, stupid crooks that have screwed this country over and sold it out to China.
And you've got a consortium of dirtbag lawyers and a consortium of pedophile leftists and just a bunch of nasty hunchback globalists that just absolutely are going to mount this country's head on a wall.
And I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
Because they hate themselves and they're going down.
Hollywood's going down.
All the leftist cities are going down.
And that's because they're run by the same slave master, Satan.
And now they want to just drag us down with them.
dan friesen
Well, how's he going to explain it when Trump gets acquitted?
jordan holmes
It really is going to be difficult to explain for a lot of people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Beyond saying...
These guys were just going to acquit no matter what.
dan friesen
If Trump gets acquitted, then how are you going to rationalize?
His lawyers are in on it.
They're throwing it.
They wouldn't have a trial if it wasn't rigged.
Oh, it's rigged to acquit?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fuck are you talking about?
This makes no sense.
He's just rambling.
And you can tell, the real dead giveaway, that he's probably just...
Fucking coked out of his mind and rambling about nothing is you get to the Satan at the end.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It always comes back to him.
You know why?
I'll tell you why.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
That's a real four in the morning party I want to leave kind of moment.
Yep.
Anyway, Alex gets to talk about these vaccines.
Did you know that there's thousands dead already from the COVID-19 vaccine?
jordan holmes
I feel like I would have heard it if there were.
dan friesen
Nah, they're keeping it on the low.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's smart of that.
dan friesen
And one of the things that I think is interesting about this, which is, first of all, it's not true.
Second, is that if Alex believes that, then he has to believe that there's about as many deaths from the vaccine as there is from COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's outrageous.
alex jones
They estimate that one out of 10 conservatively of adverse reactions gets reported.
A lot of doctors will tell you it's about one out of 100 probably, really.
I mean, how many times do you take some of an adverse reaction and you call the CDC and tell them?
I think Pfizer could sue him.
jordan holmes
I think so, too, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, he's just making up numbers at the beginning there.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
And also, you don't call the CDC.
Your doctor ends up calling the CDC to report adverse...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why you go to the doctor.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you have an adverse reaction to something, you will go seek treatment, and then they will...
jordan holmes
Yeah, they'll be like, oh, we gotta report this, because it's our job.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be a really inefficient system to force everyone to be like, bring, bring, hello, CDC.
jordan holmes
What frustrates me a lot about Alex's narratives regarding this type of stuff is that, yeah, man, people have already thought of those as problems.
They happened a long time ago, and people were like, oh, let's not do that.
Like, the reason we have the reporting system is precisely because you wouldn't call the CDC.
You wouldn't do that.
So the doctor does it for you.
dan friesen
Now, the issue where you could get to Alex maybe having a kernel of truth, although he's still making stuff up, is that, like, if you have a headache, that could be considered an adverse reaction, and you might not report that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it would be something so trivial that you don't seek help with it, and you might not even know if it's related.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, yeah, maybe 1 in 10 if you count, like...
jordan holmes
Minor nonsense that maybe my back hurts.
dan friesen
Slight dizziness is often...
jordan holmes
So I have a headache.
Or I got up too quick.
dan friesen
But what he's saying is just a load of shit.
And I honestly think that some of the stuff that he's saying has a real potential for public health problems.
alex jones
And then you look at what else it does.
Holy mackerel.
When you come across a COVID virus, the most common in the world, coronavirus, in the future, most people will have a violent autoimmune reaction.
And they're going to call that COVID 2022, probably be the name.
I think it'll be about 2022 that'll hit us with it.
Maybe sooner.
Hell, maybe next month.
And it'll be everybody dying.
Oh, by the way, that's what I didn't tell you.
Most of these old people that died, they said, had already tested positive for COVID.
Obviously, most of that's fraud, but that's the thing.
They also said, that's what Wolfgang Woodard and other scientists said, they said, if you've already had a similar COVID virus or coronavirus, the same family, or COVID-19, the vaccine may cause an autoimmune response and kill you.
Or make you very sick.
Or later, it'll cause the autoimmune response when you come in contact with one.
I mean, this is a death sentence.
Total death sentence.
And people are going to be dying.
It'll just be Bill Gates up there smiling like a psychotic at you.
I mean, they're never going to get away with this.
Never.
They're crazy.
But Hitler didn't get away with it either.
But he wanted to kill everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's deeply, deeply irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, this is fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The level of thinking that this is is which level?
Yes.
This is like a pure...
We've never advanced beyond thinking that the person with two cats is actually behind illness.
That's where we're at.
dan friesen
That's where Alex's brain is at, developmentally.
jordan holmes
How is it that we can develop a vaccine for a brand new virus in less than a year, and at the same time we have people who are like, nah, nah, nah, nah, see if you're physically unattractive, chances are you're the one killing everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I read a little bit about some of the folks who have died after getting the vaccine, and some of them did test positive for COVID, and the belief Right.
were that they had gotten the vaccine when they had already been infected.
It was in the incubation period.
And then the vaccine wouldn't be effective at that point.
jordan holmes
It's too late.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And, you know, you're talking about high-risk communities and people who are prioritized for getting the vaccines.
dan friesen
And, you know, that doesn't...
It's not even that high of a number either.
Like, it's not in the thousands, like Alex is saying, but...
But either way, this kind of misinformation, it stands to really persuade people to have either a belief or an inclination to not disbelieve that this shot is a death sentence.
And that can be really, really dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's hard even to imagine, like, okay, it's not the best vaccine, and it does have some adverse reactions, but it's going to save...
A million lives.
You know, like that kind of level of thing where it's like, yeah, that's worth it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Half a million people are dead, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex does the straw man shit all the time of like, everybody pretends the vaccines are totally safe and like, there's never been a bad reaction.
Like, no, no one says that.
That's a fake argument that you're making in order to straw man.
Yep.
Yeah, it's childish.
And I wish that people would treat him and his arguments with the disdain that they deserve.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about Bitcoin.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
Because Elon Musk, it was just on Rogan apparently again, and maybe he is into Bitcoin now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He also has a guy named BitBoy as a guest later.
I'm a motherfucking BitBoy!
The weekend.
You want to laugh, but you can't.
That was that look of, I can't laugh at this.
jordan holmes
Because it's wrong.
I'm a motherfucking dead boy.
Dan, I'm well past the point of righteous violets.
dan friesen
That was going through my head.
jordan holmes
After that joke.
dan friesen
Anyway, this guy is just a YouTuber who's into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
His interview is not interesting.
jordan holmes
I'm surprised.
YouTubers are always fascinating.
dan friesen
No, I bet he actually has some interesting things to say, and I didn't get any sense of, like, You know, him being a bigot, but I don't know.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He just was talking about cryptocurrencies.
Anyway, Alex is against them, but then he interviews this guy in a pretty positive way.
This is very confusing.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
And there is a global government openly announcing itself, and they need to end the dollar as a world reserve currency and bring in the new global digital currency, which will be based on Bitcoin.
Which, again, is obviously a giant inside job from the beginning, just like Q. And I told you that 10 years ago, and now you can see it.
dan friesen
So why are you having a long interview with a guy who's into Bitcoin, who's giving really positive perspective?
It's very confusing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex hasn't been super negative about Bitcoin.
It's much more complicated than that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He hasn't been a promoter of it, but if he actually thought it was something that was meant to replace the dollar as part of the globalist plan, he wouldn't have had Max Keiser on for the last 10 years on his show to constantly promote it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That would be an issue.
Yeah.
His behavior would be totally different.
And that's the same, actually, as with Q. Yeah.
If Alex actually thought that there wasn't some...
Thing in it for him to not fully denounce X, Y, or Z, whether it's QAnon or Bitcoin.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
His behavior would be totally different.
He thought that there was an angle that he could play, some sort of hedge in the middle, and then once that was clearly not the case, oh, I've known this was a setup all along.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, his pattern of denouncing something softly and gently, but then having pro guests on it.
For an eternity is clear evidence of some sort of issue he has with, I can't piss someone off.
There's always someone that can't be pissed off in these situations.
dan friesen
Or just like, it might be worthwhile to not alienate this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe down the road, QAnon becomes something that is profitable for me, so let's...
Keep that lane open until it's too late.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then I can always have been against it.
With Bitcoin, it could have collapsed, left people with nothing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Could have been something that everyone hates.
And then Alex, it'd be great for him to be able to say, I've been against this the whole time.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But maybe it's a cool thing.
And then I could be like, I've had Max Keiser promoting it on my show for 10 years.
I'm an old school Bitcoin guy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, you play both sides and then you look like a prophet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you're not.
You're just a dum-dum.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, Trump is on trial because he said some things.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And then some people did some things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And hey, what about Kamala Harris?
She said some things.
jordan holmes
Who hasn't said things?
alex jones
Here is Kamala Harris cackling like the witch she is talking about killing Trump.
Will she be?
Impeached?
Here it is.
unidentified
If you had to be stuck in an elevator with either President Trump, Mike Pence, or Jeff Sessions, who would it be?
Does one of us have to come out alive?
*laughter*
alex jones
You know what?
People will think I was overdoing it.
Play it again so you can hear the actual cackle.
I mean, I hear they're coming out with a new Wizard of Oz.
She's got the job as the Wicked Witch.
Here it is.
dan friesen
A possible interpretation of that joke is that she would kill herself before going in an elevator with one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I think this is a little bit thin.
jordan holmes
You think?
dan friesen
Also, the laughter and crowd applause indicates that this is a different setting.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
Maybe.
I would argue that there is a different contextual interpretation of someone saying a joke on The Ellen Show and someone saying that you should kill one's political enemies in a rally after having said that killing them is fine for a long time.
dan friesen
I would be dealing with this situation.
Entirely differently.
If Ellen DeGeneres killed Jeff Sessions in an elevator...
jordan holmes
I would be furious.
dan friesen
I would say that Kamala Harris was very irresponsible.
If Ellen DeGeneres killed Jeff Sessions in an elevator, then we would be...
I mean, how could you not?
Then she should be impeached.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's still hard not to add the context of a cop was killed and two were...
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in terms of the impeachment stuff from the day before, on the 10th, Alex doesn't deal with much of the, let's say, previously unreleased videos that are real problems for his narrative.
jordan holmes
Oh, those are issues.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, they certainly contradict his narrative quite a bit.
It's particularly, again, resonating, the people chanting, hang Mike Pence.
And people wandering through the halls yelling for Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
Just the first person going through the window wearing full tactical gear.
Confederate flags following along.
dan friesen
I think that everybody has different images that will probably stick with them.
That chanting was one that was really tough for me.
And particularly because I...
Spend so much time with Alex's rhetoric and his narratives and how directly counter this reality is to the game that he's spinning.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
So he just pretends a lot of that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
But this Raskin guy, right?
The lead counsel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, impeachment manager.
dan friesen
That's it.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He...
I know that from watching the impeachment, not from earlier before that.
dan friesen
He said some things that Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about that Alex is pissed about.
alex jones
Now, let's start getting to it.
The slimiest rat-like creature I've seen in a while, Jamie Raskin, has been the leader of the persecution.
He said that Trump supporters impaled police and stabbed them to death on the 6th, and that on the 6th, Trump supporters burned down a church.
Well, it's funny because that church is the one that BLM firebombed.
That church, ladies and gentlemen, is the church that Trump went and visited with the Bible.
Why would you tell such a gigantic lie out in the open?
jordan holmes
Interesting question.
alex jones
Why would you say that St. John's Church was burned by Trump supporters?
dan friesen
He didn't.
jordan holmes
Well, that would be an issue.
alex jones
That's like saying...
That Abraham Lincoln killed Abraham Lincoln.
No, John Wilkes Booth did.
I mean, it's just a...
It's like saying, my background is red.
And you're like, no, your background is green today.
jordan holmes
A what?
alex jones
I mean, he might as well just get up there and say, the sky is red at high noon in Texas.
But again, why does he do that?
Because he's a lying criminal.
Everything comes out of his fat mouths a lot.
They put out all these fake videos, everything else, and his fake crying.
He couldn't get an acting part in a third-grader play with that kind of...
jordan holmes
Projection!
dan friesen
Man, the master of similes, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Projection.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, outrageous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Raskin didn't say that people were stabbed on January 6th.
He was clearly talking about people who were using flagpoles as a weapon against Capitol Police, because that's a super resonant image.
The idea that they're the Capitol Police, and they're being attacked by something that has the flag on it.
jordan holmes
Sure, it is hard to avoid, yeah.
dan friesen
If we're taking things super strictly, literally, then yes, no one was run through with a pole.
But that kind of gives you a sense of the difficulty that Alex and his ilk have spinning this stuff.
The previously unreleased video, like I said, of the storming, really disprove a lot of Alex's narratives.
So, you retreat to dumb semantics arguments that mean nothing to pretend that that's the entire argument against Trump, and it's all a lie.
No one was impaled.
jordan holmes
No one was impaled by a javelin thrown from 40 feet away.
We were slamming the cop's head in a door.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
Get it right.
dan friesen
As for the church burning, Alex is playing dumb.
Raskin said, quote, This sentence doesn't say who burned a church, but Alex and Paul Joseph Watson, who wrote the article that Alex is covering, are pretending that it's making an accusatory claim.
The essence of what Raskin is saying is that Trump has a pattern of inciting events that lead to violence, which isn't really debatable.
So Alex and Paul have created this fake claim to respond to.
They're also pretending that Raskin must be talking about the burning of the St. John's Church, which was the church that Trump did his photo op in back in May.
So Alex can't actually prove that anyone from one of his villain groups did it, but he's just decided to report as if that is the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, as long as it's unknown, that's fine for him.
dan friesen
Sure.
Raskin could have spoken more clearly, but what he was talking about was the Proud Boys vandalizing the Asbury United Methodist Church and burning banners they've stolen from the church that said Black Lives Matter.
This is a secondary instance of Alex creating a fake thing to argue against, and he knows exactly what Raskin is talking about.
The guy who took credit for burning that church's sign has been a guest on Alex's show.
And the night of January 5th, Alex's employee, Owen Schreyer, recorded himself burning a Black Lives Matter flag in D.C. Yeah, there's that one.
Yeah, come on.
Grow up, asshole.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's really funny about this is with that lead up that Alex has, he didn't actually watch this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a problem.
dan friesen
You can kind of tell at the end because...
In the lead up to this, he's saying that Raskin claimed that there was all this on January 6th.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Whoops.
alex jones
And just listen to this BS.
jamie raskin
And that's before the second million mega march, a rally that ended in serious violence and even the burning of a church.
And as the president forecast, it was only the beginning.
On December 19th...
18 days before January 6th.
He told his base about where the battle would be, that they would fight next.
January 6th would be wild, he promised.
Be there.
We'll be wild, said the President of the United States of America.
And that, too, turned out to be true.
You'll see in the days that followed, Donald Trump continued to aggressively promote January 6th to his followers.
alex jones
Okay, so he's saying that the...
March that we coordinated that was peaceful that happened in December was the June 1st BLM event that burned the church.
jordan holmes
Did he say that?
alex jones
It's like six months apart.
jordan holmes
Is that why he didn't say that?
alex jones
And it's a public event that happened.
Trump went and visited it.
So what does this guy do?
He inverts it.
dan friesen
So you can hear him kind of re-spinning in real time because he realizes the clip doesn't say what he had already prefaced it to say.
And you can...
You can hear it very clearly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay?
All right.
See, now what he's saying is something different from what I said he would say.
unidentified
And so he's...
jordan holmes
Liar!
dan friesen
So, whose fault do you think it is that Trump has bad lawyers?
jordan holmes
Ooh, let's see.
Would it be the entire legal profession thinking that his case is both nonsensical and unwinnable, or him?
dan friesen
Try again.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Specific person.
jordan holmes
Oh, Nancy Pelosi?
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
Here's Bruce Castor.
Let's play clip three.
Trump's so-called lawyer, who it turns out has sued Trump before.
Oh yeah, Trump didn't know that.
And this is people that give him.
And this other guy called, he called him, another one of the lawyers called Trump a crook just three months ago and said he's a horrible person.
And that's his lawyer.
That's who Trump gets.
You can say, well, Trump's an idiot.
I don't know if he knows how to use Google, but my God, he better start, but see, it's all, it's all the son-in-law.
Man, Trump is under the spell of that Kushner.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
It's Kushner.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
A lot of buck stops there kind of shit here.
jordan holmes
So the secret leader of the deep state has been Kushner the entire time.
dan friesen
I think Pachanek has said that, maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think this is a relatively Shakespearean tale of a son-in-law betraying his father.
dan friesen
I would love to just be able to be, like, my dream job, if I could have it.
Would be to be a person who hacks in to Alex's earpiece.
And I could just respond live.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like from Fletch 2?
dan friesen
I've never seen Fletch 2. But Alex has an earpiece in that the producers talk to him with.
And just to be able to hack in and respond in real time would be so great.
Because I just hear that and it's like, boo!
Boy, you're saying that the bad lawyers, he hired a lawyer who sued him in the past and he didn't know about that and this is Kushner's fault?
jordan holmes
You could absolutely convince him, absolutely convince him that that is an anthropomorphized voice in his head.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
There is no doubt in my mind that he would have that, like, oh, I got my self-doubt in my ear again.
dan friesen
Alex, I'm your conscience and that was bad.
That was dumb.
Isn't this guy supposed to be king shit hero guy and he hired a lawyer who sued him because his son-in-law tricked him?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
This is stuff that even like...
jordan holmes
This is the man I want leading the country.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, like I said, there's not as much about the impeachment as maybe would be interesting or seems should be merited by this.
But he spends quite a while talking to BitBoy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's a motherfucking BitBoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have two clips left.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I'm not talking about BitBoy.
jordan holmes
No, I'm good.
dan friesen
We have two clips, and I want to ask you if you'd rather go culture war or gossip first.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I feel like culture war is going to be more offensive, and yet somehow I feel like gossip also might wind up with some really fucked up shit.
So let's go with culture war.
dan friesen
Okay.
Disney.
jordan holmes
All right, see, I knew it!
dan friesen
Disney has fired Gina Carano.
jordan holmes
Ah, so...
dan friesen
From The Mandalorian.
jordan holmes
So, a man who is absolutely not a fan of Star Wars, absolutely not appreciative of Star Wars at all, is very angry about one particular character being removed from The Mandalorian.
dan friesen
I didn't know that...
If I were Disney, I would blame her for Grogu.
On her way out?
jordan holmes
Yeah, on the way out.
She'd be like, toss all of our baggage onto her.
What else do we got?
unidentified
Everyone be mad at her for all of this shit!
dan friesen
So, in reality, what happened was that she had some social media posts, including a particularly offensive one where she compared being Republican to being a Jew in the Holocaust.
People didn't care much for that.
No.
And she was out.
Alex may not quite understand why she got fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
What's crazy about it is Disney's virtue signaling.
Kicking this former MMA lady out because she looks like a big, tough man.
So that's the image they want as women, as, you know, all the leaders.
jordan holmes
A what now?
alex jones
Men are idiots.
Goes back to Married with Children and all those shows where dad's always a moron.
I mean, that's come out in memos, not just Gamergate, that they want to show an emasculated society.
But even that wasn't enough for her playing the part of the big male hero.
jordan holmes
Pedro is the Mandalorian.
alex jones
Trends after Star Wars cancels Gina Carano.
And I'm not saying she's a bad actress, and I'm not saying I dislike women that are strong and have that Amazon-type look.
I think it's very attractive.
But the point is that she actually groveled and said it was so horrible what happened to the Jews, which it was bad what Hitler did, and they called it anti-Semitic.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Alex may not quite get...
The conversation.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy, Alex.
Alex, you might be too used to people saying worse things than that and being like, that's anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
Well, it actually does make sense because Alex has compared himself to a Jewish person during the Holocaust.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
So for him, yeah, obviously.
Yeah.
What she's saying is like...
jordan holmes
It's almost like he's like, you're gonna fire her for that?
I have Steve P on my show all the time!
He's throwing anti-Semitic shit out like fucking candy in a parade!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's interesting to me.
The part that I find the most interesting outside of Alex's bizarre need to...
Have a sexual psychodrama with his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't know why you need to do that.
jordan holmes
I can't stand that they put strong female women in roles and make them look strong and powerful.
No, it doesn't mean I don't want to have sex with them.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy, this is something you should deal with your therapist with, not your audience.
jordan holmes
I absolutely have to air out this problem that I can't sublimate, which is that I are both attracted to strong, powerful women and want them destroyed.
dan friesen
It's weird.
I wasn't quite sure where he was going as he was talking about this, like what side he was going to land on, because he was being very weird.
But then when he said she groveled and said the Holocaust was bad...
jordan holmes
Which it is!
dan friesen
Why did you say groveled?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, when you say the Holocaust is bad, obviously you're caving to the ADL and the Ku Klux Klan.
dan friesen
I don't understand that at all.
Anyway...
jordan holmes
What should she have said?
That Hitler was a complete badass?
dan friesen
Stud, as Alex has said.
jordan holmes
Would that have been what she should have said?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Anyway, now we get to gossip.
jordan holmes
It would be kind of ridiculous if the guy who said that Hitler was a complete stud and a badass was like, yeah, Gina should have been fired.
dan friesen
I wish that I had a soundboard so I could just play that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, all the time.
dan friesen
I'm afraid that there may be new listeners who don't know that we had a drop that we used to play where Alex says that Hitler and Stalin are total badasses.
jordan holmes
Complete badasses.
unidentified
Studs.
jordan holmes
That's how we used to thank people for giving.
dan friesen
So we move on to gossip to close the show.
I'll say one of the more rewarding things about listening to Alex's show is getting to find little threads that you can pull that you wouldn't, you know, you'd never have.
Like there was the story of Buckley's birthday party.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
A couple of years back.
jordan holmes
The ever growing changing story of Buckley's birthday party.
dan friesen
There was the Nazi hat saga.
There's little glimpses that you get into Alex's life.
jordan holmes
The globalist in the hot tub is always a classic.
dan friesen
Barton Springs tales.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All the times he would go down to Barton Springs.
The hike and bike trail.
Tales of the hike and bike trail.
jordan holmes
A lot of interesting things have happened on that trail.
dan friesen
Another thing is that we know a lot about Alex's wife's tennis habits.
jordan holmes
A lot more than I would have expected to learn.
dan friesen
We know that her tennis partner, I believe...
Was scoping out Antifa at the grocery stores.
jordan holmes
Has strong ability to do some reconnaissance.
dan friesen
She had some intel on Antifa.
And now we learn that maybe not all is good in the world of Alex's wife's tennis.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Maybe there are some haters.
alex jones
My wife was playing tennis with these women.
She's known a few years.
And one of them walks over with a real ugly look on her face.
And my wife goes, what's wrong?
She goes...
I just, what's wrong is what you did at the Capitol trying to overthrow our country.
Oh, I was like, we were protesting the election.
That was a handful of people.
She goes, oh, yeah, right.
Sure.
They just did this whole act of like, you know, oh, gosh, what you did.
Oh, it's like the Democrats were just saying, Jamie Raskin says Trump supporters burned down the church, dude, that BLM did publicly.
jordan holmes
That quick, huh?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She's getting the news that quick?
The turnaround is fast on that!
That is quick!
dan friesen
I mean, I understand that it's most likely just a device for him to do a character or whatever, but I love that there's an entire genre within Alex's world of stories where he complains about the people his wife plays tennis with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's almost doing nursery rhyme levels of explaining things in tale.
This is why we don't touch fire, because there's a rabbit that goes around, and it touched fire one time, and you were like, this is bad.
Her tennis instructor was like, hey, we should listen to this guy, and that's bad.
See?
Now, children, let's move on.
dan friesen
I feel like more his wife's tennis world is like a world that's populated by fictional characters that he just gets to cast in little plays.
jordan holmes
It's like a little anime.
dan friesen
Whenever he needs somebody to have seen Antifa setting up at the grocery store, wow, it's somebody involved in my wife's tennis games.
You need somebody to play the role of...
Nosy, judgmental Democrat.
Hey, somebody that my wife's playing tennis with.
jordan holmes
Now, it is, strangely enough, the only both combined tennis club and private investigatory agency on...
You know, it's like whenever you first saw a Baskin-Robbins and a KFC in the same place, you're like, what are we doing here?
That's the tennis club.
dan friesen
I think you're thinking of Dunkin' Donuts and Baskin-Robbins.
unidentified
Whatever.
jordan holmes
It's all the same shit.
dan friesen
There's never been a KFC.
jordan holmes
Taco Bell and KFC is what I meant.
What am I supposed to know?
dan friesen
Never be a Baskin-Robbins KFC.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
It's not the same company.
KFC and Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, they're all yum brands.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I understand this.
dan friesen
And then Dunkin' and Baskin-Robbins, I think, are the same parent company.
jordan holmes
We're making a meal out of me mistaking this.
dan friesen
You know, it's a meal.
Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut, all together, good meal.
But, don't eat it before you go play...
Tennis with Alex Jones' wife.
jordan holmes
You will probably wind up taking a nap and missing out on some crucial information.
dan friesen
Either that or you'll become a story that Alex tells on the show about somebody who ate too much shitty food before playing tennis with his wife.
That's the new way.
And that somehow illustrates how the Democrats are evil.
jordan holmes
That's the new way to fuck with Alex Jones.
You join his wife's tennis club and you just every now and again walk up to her with an ugly look on your face and just say something reasonable.
dan friesen
If I had all the time in the world...
I'd still not do that.
That sounds like a real waste of time.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, we come to the end of this, and I expected a little bit more fireworks, but, I mean, he is mad.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Don't get me wrong, he's mad.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it almost makes more sense to me.
You know, like, you're saying this is a coherent-ish response, and, yeah.
Like, he shouldn't be...
Like, upset about the impeachment thing.
He's supposed to think that Trump won the election.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's why we were...
dan friesen
He should be disappointed in whatever defense there is because they're not saying that Trump won the election.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's even better for him that they're terrible lawyers because then he can pretend that they're sandbagging on purpose.
jordan holmes
Of course.
And then whenever Trump wins and is acquitted, he's going to be like, see, even in spite of the lawyers that the globalists gave him, he's so innocent, his defense was literally two men going, for four hours, and he won.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll see how this develops.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight.com.
Go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I have no other place to mention this, and it seems perfect here.
Danny sent me a message, and Norm Pattis' beard is fucking crazy.
Norm Pattis, trim your goddamn beard.
It is inappropriate.
Anyway.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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