Knowledge Fight - #476: Moon Colonies Part 2
Aired: 2020-09-02
Duration: 01:38:10


=== Olive Garden Dressing Dilemma (03:45) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang, we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:38]  Riddler.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:43]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the airplane for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish pen calling over here saying I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledge fight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Indeed, we are.
[00:01:06]  Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Damn.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Quick question.
[00:01:09]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:11]  Well, not plant-related, but I was at the store the other day.
[00:01:15]  Take it back.
[00:01:15]  I was at the grocery store, feeling down.
[00:01:18]  And I looked over to my left, looked over to my right.
[00:01:21]  What did I see on the salad dressing aisle but Italian dressing from Olive Garden?
[00:01:31]  Yep.
[00:01:32]  And so I bought some.
[00:01:34]  It's really good.
[00:01:35]  It's great.
[00:01:35]  Of course it is.
[00:01:36]  Of course you love it.
[00:01:38]  Of course you love it.
[00:01:38]  I haven't been to Olive Garden in forever.
[00:01:40]  It's been a very long time.
[00:01:42]  I don't think it's probably actually even that good.
[00:01:45]  No, of course not.
[00:01:46]  But there's just something about that.
[00:01:48]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:49]  It's childhood.
[00:01:50]  No, it's not.
[00:01:51]  I never went to Olive Garden.
[00:01:52]  You've never went to Olive Garden?
[00:01:54]  The first time I went probably was like when I was 18, 19 or something.
[00:01:57]  Oh, man.
[00:01:58]  Wow.
[00:01:59]  I thought the dressing backdoored because of the free breadsticks.
[00:02:03]  That's the only reason we wind up liking that.
[00:02:05]  No, we went to like Fazoli's generally when I was in high school for the free breadsticks.
[00:02:10]  They were easier to scam.
[00:02:11]  Yeah.
[00:02:12]  Because at Olive Garden, you'd still have to buy something.
[00:02:15]  That's true.
[00:02:15]  At Fazolis, you could just buy a drink and still get free breadsticks.
[00:02:19]  Oh, well, that's thievery.
[00:02:20]  Yeah.
[00:02:21]  That's such a we were in high school.
[00:02:23]  Wow, that's true.
[00:02:24]  We're poor.
[00:02:24]  We want some breadsticks.
[00:02:26]  You need breadsticks.
[00:02:26]  Scarlet.
[00:02:27]  Sometimes.
[00:02:28]  Yeah, so I want to drink this Italian dress, quite frankly.
[00:02:33]  So yeah, I've been going crazy with Italian dressing.
[00:02:35]  All right, I like it.
[00:02:36]  How about you?
[00:02:37]  My bright spot is, Dan.
[00:02:40]  You know, I've talked about music in the past.
[00:02:42]  I kind of like it.
[00:02:43]  I was listening to music and then I came upon Seeger Rose once more and I was listening to the Sega Rose and I remember that the greatest concert that I've ever been to was when I was 18.
[00:02:55]  I went and saw them at the Chicago Theater.
[00:02:57]  Around about the time I got some Olive Garden.
[00:02:58]  It was on the TAC tour after they just released the album.
[00:03:03]  Incredible.
[00:03:03]  Greatest concert of my life.
[00:03:05]  It's my bright spot because, as you know, I don't like to deal with my memories too much.
[00:03:09]  I like to keep them in boxes.
[00:03:10]  So you had a nice memory.
[00:03:12]  Yeah, I had a nice memory.
[00:03:13]  It's been a while since I've had one.
[00:03:14]  Much like my memory of Olive Garden Italian dressing.
[00:03:16]  Exactly.
[00:03:16]  See, we're doing it.
[00:03:18]  We're nostalgic right now.
[00:03:20]  Absolutely.
[00:03:21]  So, Jordan, today we got an interesting episode to go over.
[00:03:23]  I, after our last episode on Monday, could not handle more of Alex.
[00:03:28]  No.
[00:03:28]  So I needed a little bit of a break.
[00:03:30]  Yeah.
[00:03:31]  And got some interesting situation going on here.
[00:03:35]  All right.
[00:03:35]  So I went to Project Camelot's YouTube page.
[00:03:39]  Of course.
[00:03:40]  Because I'm constantly just being like, come back.
[00:03:42]  Maybe.
[00:03:43]  Maybe today.
[00:03:44]  Maybe today's the day.
[00:03:46]  Maybe she's like, this paywall thing isn't working.
[00:03:48]  I got to go back to YouTube.
[00:03:49]  I think it might not be working because the last two, there's two new episodes that were both released for free.

=== Paul's Policy Suggestion (07:31) ===

[00:03:56]  Yes.
[00:03:57]  They weren't on topics that I think are interesting at all.
[00:04:01]  But that is a sign that maybe the next time she goes and talks to Mark Richards, we might still have that.
[00:04:05]  That's going to be YouTube.
[00:04:06]  That's going to be YouTube for sure.
[00:04:08]  I would think so.
[00:04:08]  Yeah, it's got to be.
[00:04:10]  And actually, today, thankfully, I was looking at our email and I'd gotten an email from Robert W.
[00:04:17]  Okay.
[00:04:18]  And he'd sent in a little bit of a suggestion for something to fill the gap of Project Camelot.
[00:04:24]  And that is a show called Unexplained with Howard Hughes.
[00:04:28]  Okay.
[00:04:29]  Howard.
[00:04:29]  Different Howard Hughes.
[00:04:30]  Not that Spruce Goose.
[00:04:32]  What happened to him?
[00:04:32]  Is he okay?
[00:04:33]  Hey, bad news.
[00:04:34]  Hanging out with John DeGrant Peru.
[00:04:36]  Oh, no.
[00:04:37]  So Robert had sent me this recommendation, and I was scrolling through the people who've been guests on this show.
[00:04:44]  Sure.
[00:04:45]  Out of the UK.
[00:04:46]  Real cool British announcer guy.
[00:04:50]  And there are some people like John Rappaport.
[00:04:52]  There's some people like Gerald Salente.
[00:04:54]  Got to have him.
[00:04:55]  And, you know, there's a lot of, there's some InfoWars at Jason.
[00:04:57]  We've been all.
[00:04:58]  There's David Icke on there, too.
[00:04:59]  Of course.
[00:05:00]  Any weirdo show you have eventually.
[00:05:04]  But I found one episode that I thought, like, I've never listened to this guy.
[00:05:09]  I don't know his product.
[00:05:10]  I don't know anything about this.
[00:05:13]  If we're going to do a trial balloon episode, this will be the one.
[00:05:18]  It's not Mark Richards.
[00:05:19]  All right.
[00:05:20]  I hope not.
[00:05:21]  No, he is not from the UK but able to.
[00:05:24]  Are they giving him Skype access now?
[00:05:26]  I don't think that's good.
[00:05:27]  No.
[00:05:28]  So we're going to get into this, but before we do, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you to folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:05:33]  Oh, I think that's a great idea.
[00:05:34]  Yeah, so first, Paul F. Thank you so much.
[00:05:36]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:37]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:38]  Thanks, Paul.
[00:05:39]  Thank you.
[00:05:40]  Next, Tyler Raymond B. Thank you so much.
[00:05:42]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:43]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:44]  Thank you very much, Tyler.
[00:05:46]  Thank you.
[00:05:46]  Next, Freeze Frame.
[00:05:48]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:49]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:05:50]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:51]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:51]  Freeze frame.
[00:05:54]  It's like that song.
[00:05:55]  Yeah, it is like that song.
[00:05:56]  Next, Michael P. Thank you so much.
[00:05:57]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:58]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:59]  Thank you very much, Michael.
[00:06:01]  Thank you.
[00:06:01]  Next, Josh M. Thank you so much.
[00:06:02]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:03]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:04]  Thanks, Josh.
[00:06:05]  Thank you.
[00:06:06]  Next, Nick Smash, and it's N-I-C-C Smash.
[00:06:09]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:11]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:12]  Thank you.
[00:06:13]  Next, Angus I. Thank you so much.
[00:06:15]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:16]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:17]  Thank you very much, Angus.
[00:06:20]  That's like a Robert shit now.
[00:06:23]  I can't remember his name.
[00:06:24]  Oh, man.
[00:06:25]  My English literature is frosty.
[00:06:26]  Frost.
[00:06:27]  No, it's not Robert.
[00:06:28]  It's Scottish.
[00:06:29]  God damn it.
[00:06:30]  I'm a failure.
[00:06:30]  Anyways, that would be the name of one of his poems, Angus Kamba.
[00:06:35]  If I had gotten there first, it would have been.
[00:06:37]  Joyce didn't write poetry, goddamn it.
[00:06:39]  Yeah, he did secretly.
[00:06:42]  Well, his greatest poem was Angus Kamba I. That's right.
[00:06:45]  Yep.
[00:06:46]  Finally, Denver Lodge.
[00:06:47]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:48]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:06:49]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:50]  Thank you very much, Denver Lodge.
[00:06:52]  Thank you.
[00:06:52]  If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show.
[00:06:54]  I'd like to support with these gents, too.
[00:06:55]  You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefreight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
[00:06:58]  We would appreciate it.
[00:06:59]  Yes.
[00:06:59]  Thank you very much.
[00:07:00]  Burns!
[00:07:01]  Or Robert Burns!
[00:07:03]  Nailed it.
[00:07:03]  God damn it.
[00:07:05]  Anyways, we can continue.
[00:07:06]  Okay.
[00:07:08]  If you, you know, if you don't, if you feel ungenerous and you, you know, maybe don't want to support the show, that's what you should do probably is write a poem.
[00:07:17]  I was going to say, contribute it to Robert Burns.
[00:07:19]  Naturally.
[00:07:20]  Sell it at auction.
[00:07:21]  Name it.
[00:07:22]  Give the money to charity.
[00:07:23]  Of course.
[00:07:24]  Give it a charity in your area.
[00:07:25]  That's how it supports people in need.
[00:07:27]  So, Jordan, before we get to today's episode, Zap.
[00:07:30]  Got to look in the mailbag.
[00:07:31]  All right.
[00:07:32]  First virtual mailbag.
[00:07:34]  I mentioned on our last episode that I got really bummed out because the website for Jelly Belly, they didn't, we didn't allow you to buy seltzer.
[00:07:42]  No, of course not.
[00:07:43]  And Policy Wonk Evan commented on Facebook that they were all available at a local jewel here in Chicago.
[00:07:52]  Because of course they would be.
[00:07:54]  And so I got the Seltzer Mobile out, which is a list.
[00:07:56]  Actually, and I went over to that jewel immediately, and I bought all eight flavors.
[00:08:02]  Of course, you did.
[00:08:03]  I have tried a number of them, and they're fine.
[00:08:07]  They're fine?
[00:08:08]  Yeah, they're pretty good.
[00:08:09]  I think that's better than I would have expected.
[00:08:10]  They're candy.
[00:08:12]  So you'd think they'd be sweet.
[00:08:14]  They're really not.
[00:08:15]  No.
[00:08:16]  It's strange.
[00:08:17]  There's even like an orange sherbet flavor.
[00:08:19]  It's not really overly sweet.
[00:08:21]  No.
[00:08:22]  It's pretty subtle.
[00:08:23]  Do they go like the jelly belly route and get like actual buttered popcorn seltzer?
[00:08:28]  No.
[00:08:28]  See, now that's what I want from a jellyfish.
[00:08:29]  That would be disgusting.
[00:08:31]  No, there's like grapefruit, tangerine, very cherry, very cherry.
[00:08:35]  Vanilla, piña colada, a couple others.
[00:08:39]  All right.
[00:08:39]  Orange sherbet and piña colada are probably as rangy as it gets.
[00:08:43]  Yeah.
[00:08:43]  But one of the cool things that I'm excited to try isn't they force you to buy, like you can't just buy a single.
[00:08:49]  Yeah.
[00:08:50]  But the thing that I want to do is mix them.
[00:08:54]  You know, like vanilla and cherry.
[00:08:55]  All right.
[00:08:56]  See if we can make some cocktails.
[00:08:58]  Some cream soda cherry.
[00:08:59]  Something like that.
[00:09:00]  I gotcha.
[00:09:01]  Yeah.
[00:09:01]  So I appreciate that in the digital mailbag.
[00:09:04]  But from the actual mailbag, Z. Yep.
[00:09:08]  Got a nice little thing from Paul in Austin.
[00:09:11]  All right.
[00:09:12]  Sent over some other seltzers as well, some Austin seltzers that look really great.
[00:09:17]  I'm excited to try them.
[00:09:18]  I've not had a chance yet.
[00:09:19]  Just got this in.
[00:09:21]  But one of them is called the Party Pickle.
[00:09:23]  Okay.
[00:09:23]  And I'm not excited about that.
[00:09:24]  No, that seems like the only one I want to take.
[00:09:26]  It's a pickle-flavored seltzer.
[00:09:28]  Yeah, and it's a party.
[00:09:29]  And it's this brand, Big Swig, right?
[00:09:33]  Right.
[00:09:33]  All right.
[00:09:34]  All the other cans from this company, normal size.
[00:09:38]  Party pickle tall boy.
[00:09:40]  Yeah.
[00:09:41]  They're not booze either.
[00:09:43]  Just a.
[00:09:44]  Hey, we've got a pickle.
[00:09:45]  What are you going to drink a normal size seltzer at a party?
[00:09:47]  No, you're going to pickle it up.
[00:09:49]  Maybe, maybe not.
[00:09:51]  I don't know.
[00:09:52]  Okay, that's fair.
[00:09:53]  Maybe I just want a taste of the pickled seltzer.
[00:09:57]  And also, Paul sent us a couple shirts.
[00:10:00]  Oh, okay.
[00:10:00]  So I want you to take a look at this here shirt and see what you think about it because it's a little bit cool.
[00:10:08]  If you see this shirt, it is a guy blowing an armadillo.
[00:10:14]  It really does seem like it's a guy blowing an armadillo, and I've been staring at it for a while, trying to think of any other thing that it could be.
[00:10:22]  I think that's probably what it is.
[00:10:23]  It says keep Austin weird.
[00:10:25]  It does.
[00:10:25]  Yeah.
[00:10:26]  And I think blowing an armadillo would do that.
[00:10:29]  I like that the tradition of listeners sending me shirts that I will never wear in public has continued.
[00:10:35]  But thank you, Paul.
[00:10:36]  No, no, no.
[00:10:37]  Have you guys seen that the guy who wears the blowing an armadillo shirt?
[00:10:41]  He's a really cool guy.
[00:10:42]  Coffee shop all the time.
[00:10:43]  A lot of fun working out at home shirts from our listeners.
[00:10:48]  But thank you, Paul.
[00:10:49]  Yes, thank you very much.
[00:10:50]  So, unzip.
[00:10:52]  Wait.
[00:10:52]  Re-zip.
[00:10:53]  Re-unzip.
[00:10:54]  All right.
[00:10:55]  D-zip.
[00:10:56]  Sure.
[00:10:56]  Okay.
[00:10:56]  So, Jordan, I don't know anything about Howard Hughes.
[00:11:00]  Of course.
[00:11:01]  The guy who hosts this show.
[00:11:02]  I know nothing about him.
[00:11:04]  I was trying to come into this with no idea what I'm looking at because I want to consider this a possible candidate for us to look at and understand more about.

=== Captain Randy Kramer's Charm (03:51) ===

[00:11:16]  And first of all, I think this guy is incredibly charming.
[00:11:20]  Right off the show.
[00:11:20]  Okay, well, that's great.
[00:11:21]  This show opens.
[00:11:22]  I'm like, first of all, his voice, fun.
[00:11:24]  Second, like, it's just, I mean, listen to this.
[00:11:27]  The guy sounds nice.
[00:11:29]  Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world, on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is the Return of the Unexplained.
[00:11:41]  Greetings from springtime in London.
[00:11:43]  And as I said those words, a little burst of sunshine came through my window, which is a bit of a rarity these days.
[00:11:48]  It's been like kind of mini winter for the last two weeks here, but nice to see that things may be moving in the right direction.
[00:11:55]  But I know some of you don't like me giving weather reports from London, so we won't dwell on that.
[00:12:00]  Actually, quite a few of you do, but that's a whole other topic.
[00:12:04]  What fun!
[00:12:06]  What fun!
[00:12:07]  If you told me a narrative arc of like the fourth doctor was he became a radio host for a while, I would buy it and it would be this show.
[00:12:17]  I find it so charming that he opens the show talking about the weather and then gets self-conscious and he's like, Some of you don't like me talking about the weather, but you know what?
[00:12:24]  Some of you do.
[00:12:26]  Ah, great!
[00:12:27]  I like it.
[00:12:27]  I like it.
[00:12:29]  Off the jump, he's he's kind of on his team so far.
[00:12:32]  Very human.
[00:12:33]  Yes.
[00:12:34]  And so we get in this next clip.
[00:12:36]  He pretty quickly introduces who the guest is, and you'll see why I chose this.
[00:12:41]  Captain Randy Kramer.
[00:12:43]  Okay, you've been a question on the show, and it took a little bit of time to get it together, but we've got him on this edition.
[00:12:50]  Captain Randy Kramer claims that he is part of a secret force that is already exploring and part of Mars.
[00:12:59]  You'll hear the whole story here.
[00:13:02]  So there's a misconception that some people have because of our fascination with Mark Richards.
[00:13:08]  Sure.
[00:13:08]  That Mark Richards was the first episode of Project Hamlock that we looked at.
[00:13:12]  I don't know who he was.
[00:13:12]  When in reality, the first episode we did had to do with Captain Randy Kramer.
[00:13:18]  We stuck with captains.
[00:13:19]  Captains are for space weirdos.
[00:13:20]  Lieutenant Colonels are for gun weirdos.
[00:13:23]  Yeah, for secret sources.
[00:13:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:25]  So, yeah, we got Randy Kramer in here.
[00:13:26]  I figured, like, if this is going to be something we look at, at least as a candidate, the first episode's got to be Randy Kramer.
[00:13:33]  If you want us to cover your product on our show, put Randy Kramer in.
[00:13:39]  Jelly Belly is making a Randy Kramer-flavored seltzer.
[00:13:42]  Randy, of course, is the guy who was fighting aliens on Mars and the moon and had the holographic med beds that he was trying to kickstart for a while.
[00:13:57]  So we'll get into some more of that, but that's who he is.
[00:13:59]  I believe our original episode of him was called like Mars Colonies, Mars Bases.
[00:14:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:06]  You can find that in the archives.
[00:14:08]  It's fantastic.
[00:14:09]  So Howard starts out the show before the interview with giving, like, I really.
[00:14:15]  This guy is charming.
[00:14:17]  Okay.
[00:14:18]  Graham says he's 40 miles from Papa Cata Petal.
[00:14:23]  He's reading an email from a listener.
[00:14:25]  Okay.
[00:14:25]  10 miles from the Great Pyramid of Cholula and 15 miles from the town of Atluxco.
[00:14:31]  He says, The reason I mentioned this is because ever since I moved here, 24 years ago, many people say there have been sightings of alien ships at these places.
[00:14:40]  I've been to all of them and I haven't seen any sightings.
[00:14:43]  It's plausible that aliens, if they exist, visit Papa Cata Petal and the Great Pyramid.

=== Why We Left Mars (15:18) ===

[00:14:48]  But Atlaxco, he says, all that town is known for is the meat market, the local ice cream of the garden centers.
[00:14:54]  Maybe they don't want those things.
[00:14:56]  Who knows?
[00:14:57]  Maybe there's a big shortage of ice cream on Alpha Santa Ri.
[00:15:00]  Who knows?
[00:15:03]  It's just like if BBC4 had a show where they're just like, yeah, aliens are real.
[00:15:08]  I'm fine with that.
[00:15:09]  But move on.
[00:15:10]  But I love it.
[00:15:11]  I don't feel like at this point, if you're listening to this, I don't feel like I've heard an editorial decision from the anchor.
[00:15:19]  Agreed.
[00:15:20]  Like, Howard, the way he responds to that is jovial and jokey, kind of.
[00:15:24]  Like, that's not saying, like, oh, yeah, the aliens must be coming there because they like ice cream.
[00:15:29]  See, now we're getting into trouble.
[00:15:31]  Here's where I've just been burned too much.
[00:15:33]  I've just been burned too much.
[00:15:34]  Because we haven't heard any editorial decision, I'm still on edge.
[00:15:38]  Like, my hackles are raised.
[00:15:39]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:40]  Because it's like, when are you going to say something about how you hate Jews?
[00:15:43]  Where does the ball?
[00:15:43]  Why is it going to happen?
[00:15:44]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:45]  When is it going to happen?
[00:15:45]  And that's the problem, it may not.
[00:15:48]  We don't know.
[00:15:49]  What if he doesn't hate Jews?
[00:15:50]  What do we even do?
[00:15:52]  That's like a unicorn.
[00:15:53]  How do we fit that into the conception?
[00:15:54]  Exactly.
[00:15:55]  Is this actually just pure space weirdo?
[00:15:57]  Pure space weirdo?
[00:15:58]  Oh, it could be.
[00:15:59]  Oh, God, I'd say, yeah, it'd be amazing.
[00:16:02]  Now, in addition to having some listeners who like the meat market and the ice cream down in New Mexico, it's fantastic.
[00:16:12]  Yeah, also has some listeners in Canada.
[00:16:13]  And again, this charmed me to no end.
[00:16:16]  Jonathan in Mississauga, Ontario.
[00:16:18]  I've always loved that name, Mississauga.
[00:16:20]  Oh, you're so in love with from Canada.
[00:16:23]  And I love it when they say some of the great place names in Canada, like Yellowknife and Mississauga.
[00:16:30]  You know, and one of these days I want to come to Canada.
[00:16:32]  But anyway, let me get to the email.
[00:16:34]  Yeah.
[00:16:35]  You and I have had the same conversation about Oagadougou.
[00:16:38]  Sure.
[00:16:39]  This is word for word, you being like, I just love the way certain names are pronounced.
[00:16:43]  Antana Norrio?
[00:16:44]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:16:44]  Capital Madagascar.
[00:16:47]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:48]  This is fantastic.
[00:16:49]  I'm enjoying this.
[00:16:50]  So he has done the business up top.
[00:16:53]  He's talked to a couple of emails.
[00:16:56]  We've learned he loves the name Mississauga.
[00:16:58]  Who doesn't?
[00:16:58]  And so now it's time to introduce Captain Kramer.
[00:17:04]  We are fascinated by the Red Planet.
[00:17:06]  Mars is a place that we are actively making plans to visit.
[00:17:10]  There are private companies doing that.
[00:17:13]  There are plans by NASA and others to explore the Red Planet more and maybe to terraform Mars.
[00:17:20]  In other words, to turn it into an environment that you could live on, to be able to turn the red dust into something that you grow things on.
[00:17:27]  It's not science fiction anymore.
[00:17:30]  And it's all in the pipeline.
[00:17:31]  It's stuff that we dreamt about when we were kids and now seems to be coming for real.
[00:17:37]  It's becoming reality.
[00:17:39]  We're actually, a lot of us are going to live to see this.
[00:17:43]  But there's another perspective on all of this.
[00:17:46]  What if I told you that there are people who say that we have been to Mars, we're actively involved in Mars, and we have a team of people who are explorers of Mars already.
[00:17:57]  I'm thinking about speak with Captain Randy Kramer.
[00:18:01]  He claims to have spent 17 years on Mars and three years on a secret space fleet as part of explorations.
[00:18:11]  So he claims to be, as opposed to he did do this.
[00:18:15]  This guy is already, it's already different framing.
[00:18:19]  You can tell there's a sense of it that is like, well, this is what he says.
[00:18:24]  Yeah.
[00:18:24]  And the editorial position is still unestablished, even as we're coming in.
[00:18:29]  And you can see craft.
[00:18:30]  You can see a bit of like.
[00:18:32]  Like what I wrote down was someone wrote something.
[00:18:35]  Yeah.
[00:18:36]  Slash, someone involved preparation.
[00:18:39]  Yeah, this is wild.
[00:18:41]  There's a bit of care that is clearly put into the product.
[00:18:44]  Unprecedented.
[00:18:45]  Yeah.
[00:18:45]  So when you hear like Randy Kramer on Project Camelot, it's just like, ah, hey, blue blop by Skype's breaking up.
[00:18:54]  He's one of the most important whistleblowers of all time.
[00:18:57]  I've heard that this guy is the best.
[00:18:59]  I believe everything that he's ever said, even though a lot of it contradicts some of the people that I've heard.
[00:19:05]  So at the outset, we have a charming British man who likes city and can make jokes about aliens like an ice cream.
[00:19:13]  Yeah.
[00:19:14]  And he apparently, at this point at least, doesn't seem to be pushing for this person to be credible or correct.
[00:19:23]  Totally.
[00:19:23]  Which I appreciate because it's very uncommon for us.
[00:19:27]  See, once again, I'm feeling like this is a honeypot.
[00:19:29]  This is a trap somehow.
[00:19:31]  Like, this guy only started three years ago after listening to our first episode and was like someday.
[00:19:38]  No, I think he has a couple, I might have like 400 episodes.
[00:19:41]  God damn.
[00:19:42]  Yeah, he's pretty wild.
[00:19:43]  Okay.
[00:19:44]  So here comes Randy, and he's going to tell his little story about how he was bred to be a super soldier.
[00:19:49]  Okay.
[00:19:49]  Can I call you Captain Randy Kramer or Randy?
[00:19:52]  Randy's just fine.
[00:19:53]  Randy, thanks very much for coming on.
[00:19:56]  Talk to me about you then.
[00:19:57]  What's your background?
[00:19:59]  Oh, wow.
[00:20:03]  Well, I guess if you're asking about my military background, I am literally born out of a project that was dreamt up in the mid-60s to augment and or create from scratch genetically augmented soldiers.
[00:20:22]  So he was in the military before he was even born.
[00:20:25]  Well, of course he was.
[00:20:26]  Yes.
[00:20:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:20:27]  I like that.
[00:20:27]  I mean, Howard's being polite.
[00:20:29]  Do I call you Randy, Captain Kramer?
[00:20:31]  I hear.
[00:20:32]  Look, I think this is because we're American.
[00:20:35]  But when he said, can I call you Captain Randy or just Randy?
[00:20:40]  I want to say that was a really deep insult right there.
[00:20:43]  Like there was something like, can I call you Captain Randy?
[00:20:47]  Right.
[00:20:47]  Because it's not, can I call you Randy, Captain Randy?
[00:20:51]  It's, can I call you Captain Randy?
[00:20:53]  Such as to say that I'm kind of treating you as a novelty, as like a, can I call you Captain Randy?
[00:21:00]  Because no one else will.
[00:21:02]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[00:21:03]  It's interesting.
[00:21:04]  It's kind of tough to read sometimes the ways in which politeness can be used as a weapon.
[00:21:09]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:21:10]  No, I don't know.
[00:21:11]  I don't trust British people.
[00:21:12]  I know you're using it.
[00:21:17]  So military people realized at a certain point that they had this alien technology, right?
[00:21:23]  They've gotten this from crafts and what have you.
[00:21:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:21:26]  And they were trying to use it on soldiers, right?
[00:21:28]  Because why wouldn't you?
[00:21:29]  But they kept finding out it doesn't work.
[00:21:32]  You've got to do it with babies or something.
[00:21:34]  Sure.
[00:21:36]  You've got to breed super soldiers.
[00:21:37]  Of course.
[00:21:38]  Well, we certainly at that time were cracking a number of different books and tables of information from extraterrestrial sources and extraterrestrial technology that was giving us jumps ahead of civilian technology and civilian research and development.
[00:21:53]  So the ability for the military to start doing genetic experiments ahead of what anything in the civilian world was was due to that, to advanced technology infused within those programs that gave us the leap ahead.
[00:22:05]  Once we had access to that technology, people wanted to figure out how to use it.
[00:22:08]  And so the first thing to do was try and figure out how to augment who you've already got.
[00:22:13]  And then we did enough tests with that and realized that it was minimally effective, that you really just had to do what some of the ETs were telling us that we needed to do who were working us, including scientists who were coming down working in our labs on the ground on terrestrial soil with us to advise us.
[00:22:29]  No, you really want to do this right.
[00:22:31]  You've got to start from the ground up and you've got to build the chain and build a map and start from the beginning and don't try and do it later on.
[00:22:38]  So you can hear at the end though, that there is the desire to ask follow-up questions.
[00:22:44]  Yeah.
[00:22:46]  Which runs throughout, which again, I appreciate.
[00:22:48]  But yeah, so we had this tech and you couldn't use it with existing soldiers.
[00:22:52]  So you had to sort of genetically alter and create people who could use this tech or whatever.
[00:23:00]  I want to say everything tracks there for the most part.
[00:23:04]  If you accept a premise, then the offshoot at least makes sense from where you're starting.
[00:23:09]  Yeah, everything was going great up until he was like, well, we had this alien technology, so they were like, let's just use it on the guys we have.
[00:23:17]  Like, that was their first option?
[00:23:20]  Well, it was like, hey, we got this alien tech.
[00:23:22]  I don't know.
[00:23:22]  Frank's not busy.
[00:23:23]  Sure.
[00:23:24]  Let's toss it on him.
[00:23:25]  Let's see what happens.
[00:23:26]  They didn't try it on.
[00:23:27]  It does make sense.
[00:23:28]  All right, fine.
[00:23:28]  If you accept A, you got to accept B.
[00:23:30]  It's against the law.
[00:23:32]  Geneva Convention.
[00:23:33]  I learned that recently.
[00:23:35]  So if we've got this program where these youths are being created before birth to be able to use this tech, you know, it raises the question, when did Randy get involved?
[00:23:48]  How did this happen?
[00:23:49]  Randy, where did you come into all of this then?
[00:23:52]  Where were you serving?
[00:23:52]  With whom?
[00:23:53]  Well, no, no, that is the answer to where I come in all this.
[00:23:56]  I was one of the first genetically created soldiers from that project.
[00:24:00]  I was built in a Petri dish from the ground up in late 19, mid-1969, and I was born in 1970.
[00:24:08]  You're kidding.
[00:24:09]  No.
[00:24:13]  I mean, I hear what you say.
[00:24:15]  You sound perfectly rational when you talk to me.
[00:24:19]  How can we be sure of that?
[00:24:22]  Proof.
[00:24:25]  Not the kind that I could show you through radio channels, that's for sure.
[00:24:29]  Okay.
[00:24:29]  So, yeah.
[00:24:30]  I mean, already out of the gate, there is a mildly insulting.
[00:24:35]  You're kidding.
[00:24:36]  I can't but begin to describe to you how much the you're kidding took me by surprise.
[00:24:41]  Yeah.
[00:24:42]  In our world, no one ever says ever.
[00:24:45]  Ever.
[00:24:45]  Were you listening to like Project 1 a lot?
[00:24:47]  Or some of these, just these just people who believe anything that there's never a, what the fuck are you talking about?
[00:24:54]  Why does anybody just go, come on?
[00:24:57]  And he asks for proof, and Randy says, I have proof, but not that I can give you over the radio.
[00:25:03]  I tell it to you.
[00:25:04]  So that is also pushed a tiny bit.
[00:25:08]  And this is what Randy comes up with as his best proof that he actually is a super soldier who is fighting on Mars.
[00:25:16]  I'm with you.
[00:25:16]  The main piece of proof that I have to throw out to people is that I live in the most militarized nation in the world.
[00:25:26]  We have no sense of humor at all about people who impersonate officers for any reason whatsoever.
[00:25:33]  Not true.
[00:25:34]  If I were impersonating an officer, and I've spoken to my attorney about this, there are absolutely steps that would be taken by the FBI and by the Marine Corps to discuss with me about my fraudulently doing so and how I needed to cease and desist and do that.
[00:25:45]  So if they thought you were passing yourself off as Captain Randy Kramer of the Space Corps, they would close you down first.
[00:25:52]  Well, I'm saying is that if I were doing that fraudulently, the process that they would follow through on is to contact me and tell me to cease and desist and show proof, in which case then I would say, great, I'd love a hearing in a JAG officer.
[00:26:03]  And my lawyer has essentially assured me that I'm probably never going to hear from them because they never want to give me a hearing.
[00:26:10]  So that's where I have my first problem.
[00:26:15]  So we can take two points of view on that last little piece of information.
[00:26:19]  Yeah.
[00:26:19]  So his best evidence for why this is real is that no one's tried to stop him.
[00:26:25]  Gotcha.
[00:26:26]  Gotcha, journalism.
[00:26:28]  You thought you had me.
[00:26:29]  You thought you could catch me with this whole proof question.
[00:26:32]  Let me tell you something.
[00:26:33]  What's the sound of one hand not slapping me?
[00:26:36]  Wow, silence.
[00:26:37]  Yeah.
[00:26:38]  So this also really creates an interesting problem for me when Randy keeps talking because, you know, he's saying that I've talked to my lawyer about what would happen if I was faking all this and anyone cared.
[00:26:53]  To which his lawyer said, you're kidding.
[00:26:56]  And why would he ask his lawyer any of these questions if what I'm about to play you is true?
[00:27:01]  Good question.
[00:27:02]  So you're saying that they're letting you do this and they're letting you come on radio shows like this one because you're telling the truth.
[00:27:08]  But if you were telling the truth, wouldn't that be a reason to close you down?
[00:27:12]  Oh, I'll go a step further than that.
[00:27:14]  No, the command staff of United States Marine Corps Special Section decided that they needed a public spokesperson to act as their public relations officer.
[00:27:22]  And apparently there was a short list of which my name was put on.
[00:27:25]  And then when they went through that list, eventually it came up to me and then my brigadier general asked me very politely if I wanted to be the public spokesperson guy.
[00:27:33]  And first I was like, not really.
[00:27:35]  But he convinced me.
[00:27:37]  And I said, all right, fine.
[00:27:39]  And so, yeah, my commanders have absolutely authorized me through a number of legal parameters which exist in the United States Marine Corps Special Section Special Code of Conduct that go beyond giving me permission outside of security clearance.
[00:27:54]  There's actually a legal mandate for me to do what I'm doing.
[00:27:58]  He legally has to come on these shows and talk shit about how he's a super soldier.
[00:28:02]  All right.
[00:28:03]  Now that is airtight.
[00:28:05]  But do you understand why this is now really confusing?
[00:28:08]  Why were you talking to your lawyer about the potential consequences of being a fraud?
[00:28:12]  Couldn't you just talk to your brigadier general about the potential consequences of being a fraud?
[00:28:17]  Yeah, like talk to your brigadier general.
[00:28:20]  Is chain of command really important?
[00:28:22]  Hey, Brig, what would happen if I were faking what I'm doing, but I'm not, because this is totally legitimate.
[00:28:28]  Listen, I would love to give you advice on that, but I need to tell you to talk to a lawyer first.
[00:28:32]  He's got a lawyer up.
[00:28:33]  You got a lawyer up.
[00:28:35]  You got to lawyer up, buddy.
[00:28:37]  So I find this out of the gate, convoluted.
[00:28:41]  Not great.
[00:28:42]  Not great.
[00:28:43]  And so one of the things that's really nice about this sort of British interview style is that it is largely polite.
[00:28:50]  You know, like there is, you can tell there might be times when Howard might want to ask something a little more direct.
[00:28:59]  Sure.
[00:28:59]  But because it's an interview and this person is your guest, there is sort of a decorum that Howard carries with him.
[00:29:07]  And so he moves on to another topic.
[00:29:09]  And this one is really where I got serious red flags.
[00:29:15]  I mean, I already had them.
[00:29:16]  Well, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:17]  Randy talks about his early life and like coming to understand that he was a super soldier.
[00:29:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:24]  I believe there were dreams the last time.
[00:29:26]  There are some dreams.
[00:29:27]  They will be in the mix.
[00:29:28]  There's two things happening there at the same time.
[00:29:30]  You're living a normal life, which you wake up every day and you perceive that you are going through normally.
[00:29:36]  And then usually at nighttime, when they decide to go take you away for training periods or educational missions or educational experiences, whatever the training is, which ends up being a number of years total worth of training because they start when you're a toddler.

=== Dreams vs. Reality (09:14) ===

[00:29:53]  Who are they?
[00:29:54]  Who are they?
[00:29:56]  That was a program that was run by a United States Marine Corps Special Section called Project Moonshadow.
[00:30:01]  Project Moonshadow.
[00:30:02]  I like it.
[00:30:03]  I'm dreaming of one.
[00:30:04]  I like it.
[00:30:05]  So, yeah, he's got this whole situation where Randy's saying he's living a normal life, but then at night, sometimes they take you on training missions.
[00:30:14]  Yeah.
[00:30:14]  And at the same time, he's saying he was created wholly in a lab in a Petri dish as a super soldier.
[00:30:21]  And so this is kind of getting to Howard.
[00:30:23]  And he's like, your parents have to be involved in this, right?
[00:30:26]  No, no, no, no.
[00:30:27]  Wow.
[00:30:27]  And your physiological parents who contributed to you, how involved were they in this?
[00:30:35]  They must have been totally involved in this.
[00:30:37]  I just have no problem with no knowledge whatsoever.
[00:30:40]  They have no knowledge whatsoever.
[00:30:42]  This is a real sticking point for Howard, which I appreciate because it is so logistical.
[00:30:46]  You know, it is so like, wait, hold on.
[00:30:48]  Yeah.
[00:30:49]  How would that, like, would they, they had to have known that they had like an artificial at the very least, did your parents have an artificial insemination?
[00:30:56]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:30:57]  They have an appointment nine months before you were born with a doctor who may have secretly.
[00:31:02]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:31:02]  There has to be something or like you disappeared at night when you were really young.
[00:31:07]  When you were always sleeping.
[00:31:08]  Okay, sure.
[00:31:09]  No parent has ever woken up in the middle of the night to go check and see whether or not their child is still asleep.
[00:31:15]  This never happened.
[00:31:16]  This becomes an issue for him.
[00:31:19]  But before that really becomes a hurdle, there's also the question of like, wait, if your parents didn't know about this, how do you know about it?
[00:31:28]  Good question.
[00:31:29]  How did you get knowledge of it then?
[00:31:31]  If they didn't know, who told you?
[00:31:34]  Well, I always would wake up with memories of things that would happen in the middle of the night.
[00:31:40]  You would just wake up and sort of disassociate them thinking, wow, that was the strangest, longest dream ever.
[00:31:46]  Even though you had a dream that seemed to last days or weeks at a time and seemed to be very consistent and not have weird dreamlike qualities to it and have a very solid linear timeline to it other than that, you know, you wake up and there's sort of this when you're talking about how like brainwave act conscious brainwave activity works, when you move from data, sorry, delta theta wave sleep states and move up through what's called your alpha bridge into your beta states,
[00:32:16]  you often forget and disassociate what's happening in that theta or delta state.
[00:32:20]  So because primarily what you're being trained in is in a lower brainwave consciousness state, which is actually better for training than a high beta state.
[00:32:30]  Oh, of course.
[00:32:30]  You come out of sort of into your waking consciousness, you kind of shake it off and go, wow, that was a really weird long dream.
[00:32:36]  Even though nothing about it, if you were to sit down with a dream analyst at that age and talk to them, would really indicate that you were having a dream.
[00:32:44]  They would go, wow, that is the weirdest experience I've ever heard.
[00:32:47]  But you don't think that's old.
[00:32:50]  You just think, wow, that's the weirdest, longest dream ever.
[00:32:53]  And I learned after a few conversations with my parents, like, you know, waking up and sitting at the breakfast table and saying, wow, I had this weird dream last night.
[00:33:00]  Let me tell you about it.
[00:33:01]  And getting those disconcerted looks from your parents to know, I shouldn't bring this up again.
[00:33:06]  That makes them worried.
[00:33:07]  Okay, there's a lot going on here.
[00:33:09]  There's a lot to unpack.
[00:33:11]  There's a lot going on here, and none of it to me sounds like Super Soldier stuff.
[00:33:15]  There's a lot of bullshit, and what I think is true is real a bummer.
[00:33:20]  It sounds like a creative child having good dreams and maybe some kind of an inability to connect with parents around these dreams that leads them to creating alternative explanations for why they're having what I hear, what I hear so simply could be boiled down.
[00:33:39]  Because I experienced this too as a child, which is that old, like, you know, I got an A plus.
[00:33:45]  I got an A plus I need to see the counselor.
[00:33:48]  You know, like that kind of, like, that's what I'm hearing right now.
[00:33:51]  Sure.
[00:33:52]  But there are just these concrete issues, like the question of if you're doing all this shit and being trained as a fucking Mars super soldier space person, how did your parents not notice?
[00:34:06]  That's a really good question.
[00:34:07]  Howard cannot let that go, and I think that's good.
[00:34:10]  It's a really good question.
[00:34:10]  It's a really important point.
[00:34:12]  So when did the force that created you to serve intervene and start getting involved in your life as a kid?
[00:34:18]  When did they start training you?
[00:34:20]  And how?
[00:34:22]  The earliest memories of training are probably really somewhere between about three and a half and four years old.
[00:34:31]  Okay.
[00:34:32]  Why?
[00:34:32]  Okay, and you would be taken away from your parents for training.
[00:34:37]  Right.
[00:34:37]  And they didn't know anything about this.
[00:34:39]  Well, you know, when I was a kid, if anybody taken me away from my mom and dad, they'd be hearing from my dad pretty damn quick.
[00:34:45]  Right.
[00:34:46]  Right.
[00:34:48]  So there is an explanation.
[00:34:51]  Sure.
[00:34:51]  I don't know if it's a good one.
[00:34:53]  Okay.
[00:34:54]  So your parents, they must have been aware of this, or they must have made a fuss about it.
[00:34:59]  If you were disappearing for periods going to get training and you weren't with them, presumably, surely, I mean, some of this doesn't, I have to say, some of this is difficult to take in.
[00:35:10]  Well, okay, or I guess we're missing an important thing.
[00:35:16]  Which is that again because we're talking about programs that are using reversed and or handed down technology from extraterrestrials, their ability to do things like hover over your house with a spaceship, you know, and pick you up,
[00:35:30]  and or project a wormhole into your bedroom and pick you up, and or take you to a location for training and use time travel to take you back so that you're actually that is really hard to read.
[00:35:52]  That's really hard to read.
[00:35:53]  That could be a guy going, ah, like, oh no.
[00:35:58]  Oh, no.
[00:35:59]  Or it could be a guy being like, oh, okay, this is how this fits into the narrative.
[00:36:03]  Maybe time travel is real.
[00:36:05]  Okay, I guess.
[00:36:06]  It's hard to say because I don't know anything about this host.
[00:36:10]  I might be approaching it more generously than he deserves.
[00:36:13]  I have no idea.
[00:36:14]  But that is a really funny response.
[00:36:20]  I'm falling.
[00:36:21]  Look, I couldn't get over the like.
[00:36:25]  Because some of this is really hard to swallow.
[00:36:28]  I'm finding some of this hard to take in.
[00:36:31]  The fucking deadpan nature of that.
[00:36:34]  I want to see his face while he's doing that.
[00:36:36]  If there isn't even the hint of a smile.
[00:36:39]  He's a genius.
[00:36:40]  He's a comedic genius.
[00:36:41]  Yeah.
[00:36:42]  So this next clip is where I kind of got a sense of like, aha, call me Hercule Poirot because I've solved this mystery.
[00:36:51]  Okay.
[00:36:52]  This is where it's like, ah, this is the clue that unravels, I would say, a more Earth-based solution and resolution to what was going on with his childhood dreams.
[00:37:06]  I will say this.
[00:37:06]  I want to add this one thing because I think it's kind of important.
[00:37:10]  My mother is actually a very metaphysically psionically sensitive person.
[00:37:14]  What is that?
[00:37:15]  And I will say that she has always had insomnia and is one of those people that I think she was aware that something was going on and it was one of the reasons why she was always had horrible insomnia and was always terrified that someone was coming to take her children away.
[00:37:30]  So on some level, your mom knew about this on some level.
[00:37:34]  On an intuitive level, I think she did.
[00:37:36]  And it created a lot of the panic and anxiety she had around sleep issues and around the house being broken into at night and so forth, which there was no evidence that that was happening.
[00:37:44]  But I think she was intuitively tuned into it and was very panicky.
[00:37:48]  So I would say that there are, you know, like there's an explanation, and that is that he was part, he was a super soldier who was bred to fight wars against aliens on Mars for years and then became a young person again by way of being re-injected into his clone five minutes after he left when he was 17.
[00:38:06]  That's one explanation.
[00:38:07]  Another explanation is that these paranoias and panicky fears about losing her children were sort of projected onto her child.
[00:38:17]  His mother has this preoccupation and the child wants to create a way to explain away those fears and anxieties in a way that's helpful, that's productive.
[00:38:28]  That's not like, hey, there is someone coming to take me.
[00:38:31]  No, there are people taking me, but they're taking me to be a hero.
[00:38:34]  Like, it kind of makes sense.
[00:38:35]  I'm not saying that that is the case.
[00:38:37]  I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist.
[00:38:39]  Probably.
[00:38:39]  But like, hey, if that's a possible explanation, fucking think it's way more likely than he's a Mars soldier.
[00:38:44]  Dan, any dream analyst would completely disagree with you.

=== Howard's Strategic Pushback (03:38) ===

[00:38:50]  I feel like I have all the information that I need to say I don't think you were on Mars.
[00:38:58]  That man, this did he was like, does he do this with all of his guests?
[00:39:04]  Does he kind of like Currently, I feel like he's lulling him into the sense of like accidentally he's revealing the center of all the problems, and Howard is just going to like allow that to exist in the space.
[00:39:19]  I do everyone kind of gets it.
[00:39:21]  I do think that Howard is making fun of him by the end of it.
[00:39:24]  Okay.
[00:39:24]  But I think that's fair.
[00:39:27]  Well, it's one of those things that, like, this is an interesting style of way to talk to people who are making extravagant claims, which is to have some pushback, but not so much that you're being a dick to them because they are your guest.
[00:39:38]  Yeah.
[00:39:38]  And it is, you don't want to have a fight with somebody for no reason.
[00:39:42]  Yeah, what's the point?
[00:39:43]  But if you ask pointed questions and follow-ups, then your audience can make a responsible choice about what's being said.
[00:39:49]  Indeed.
[00:39:50]  And they could be like, okay, all right, hold on.
[00:39:53]  Yeah.
[00:39:53]  This doesn't make sense.
[00:39:55]  Whereas the way that, like Project Camelot and a lot of these other places, the way that they show these people is in such an unquestioning, or if there is questioning, it's questioning in the wrong direction.
[00:40:07]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:40:08]  And that is irresponsible because you give your audience a false sense of credibility about every single thing that every weirdo is saying.
[00:40:16]  Oh, yeah.
[00:40:16]  And I think that that is the way that Howard appears to be approaching this.
[00:40:20]  And I say that very cautiously because, like I said, I haven't listened to any other episodes.
[00:40:25]  No.
[00:40:26]  I've only listened to this one.
[00:40:28]  Look, I'm waiting to hear him say a hard J. You know, like, that's where I'm always at.
[00:40:33]  I'll miss episode.
[00:40:34]  That's great.
[00:40:35]  That's great.
[00:40:37]  I don't trust you yet.
[00:40:38]  Fine.
[00:40:38]  I'm going to need years of work.
[00:40:40]  So when I say that, like, he's approaching this in a way that allows the audience to make a decision about what they're hearing.
[00:40:47]  I think that you can tell that some of them are not into it.
[00:40:50]  I have to tell, from your texts and tweets, not all of you are buying into this necessarily.
[00:40:55]  Randy, you must get a lot of opposition from people who simply don't believe it.
[00:41:01]  To be honest, not nearly as much as you might think.
[00:41:03]  I mean, there are certainly the number of unranked civilian influences who want to have their opinion about it, but when it comes to my interactions with my local politicians, elected representatives, local law enforcement, other professional persons, agencies, military personnel, NASA engineers, a whole list of very, very professional, credentialed people.
[00:41:29]  It's never even a question.
[00:41:30]  They don't bat an eyelash with me.
[00:41:32]  They all talk to me very professionally and are very interested in what I've done and what I'm doing.
[00:41:36]  Okay, I'll believe you.
[00:41:37]  Whatever.
[00:41:38]  Sometimes when you're lying, your list is too long.
[00:41:41]  It's a pretty big list.
[00:41:42]  It's kind of a tell.
[00:41:43]  Yeah.
[00:41:44]  But Howard makes a point of this.
[00:41:46]  A lot of people are not believing this.
[00:41:47]  No, that's true.
[00:41:48]  We have a character on radio here called Captain Cremon, who is a bit of a wacky cartoon space explorer created by a disc jockey on radio who's a really creative guy called Kenny Everett.
[00:41:58]  Julie has tweeted just to say this is more Captain Cremon than Captain Kramer.
[00:42:03]  But anyway, look him up.
[00:42:04]  I know that's good.
[00:42:05]  I love this guy.
[00:42:06]  That's actually funny.
[00:42:06]  I like that.
[00:42:08]  I think it's a nice comment.
[00:42:09]  It's a nice comment.
[00:42:11]  He's a delightful character.

=== Ray Guns and Kidnapping (09:48) ===

[00:42:13]  Well, because here's why that's not a nice comment.
[00:42:16]  Randy's not playing a character.
[00:42:18]  No, he's not.
[00:42:19]  The other guy, Captain Cremen, is a joke.
[00:42:22]  He's a joke.
[00:42:22]  Yes.
[00:42:23]  And you are more of a joke than the joke.
[00:42:26]  You understand that.
[00:42:27]  So Howard has another interesting line of questioning that begins basically that if you're a kid and someone's trying to kidnap you, you might fight them off or you might not want to go along with them.
[00:42:40]  Good question.
[00:42:41]  How was that experience for you when you were being taken for training?
[00:42:45]  The point is that you were being taken away by various craft and various means.
[00:42:49]  Now, if I was being taken away, especially when I was younger, I'd kick against it.
[00:42:55]  You know, if I didn't realize why it was all being done entirely, I would say, please don't take me away.
[00:43:01]  Sure.
[00:43:02]  What about you?
[00:43:03]  Well, in the very beginning, as a kid, you're certainly given childlike explanations for what you're doing and where you're going and what the training's for.
[00:43:12]  And so basically, you got, you know, an adult standing there, you know, you want to shoot ray guns and fight space monsters, don't you?
[00:43:21]  And you're all like, yeah, I want to shoot ray guns and fight space monsters.
[00:43:24]  And so it's an easy motivation.
[00:43:26]  That's fucked up.
[00:43:28]  That is fucked up.
[00:43:29]  It sounds fucked up.
[00:43:31]  But there was a guy with candy in a van.
[00:43:33]  You get it.
[00:43:34]  But he was like, I've got candy for you.
[00:43:37]  Let's take a step even beyond that.
[00:43:40]  He's saying that for a child, it's an easy sell to be like, do you want to shoot ray guns and fight aliens?
[00:43:45]  I have candy in my van.
[00:43:46]  Well, no, no, no.
[00:43:47]  Take that creepy part off of it.
[00:43:49]  That is what he's saying is what gets you hooked as a child.
[00:43:52]  Yes.
[00:43:52]  But that is also literally what he says he did.
[00:43:55]  Yes.
[00:43:56]  Correct.
[00:43:56]  So it's not like they're misleading this child to lure them to the training.
[00:44:00]  No.
[00:44:01]  I mean, if you don't actually have candy in the van, that should be a separate crime.
[00:44:06]  Oh, deceit, fraud, fraud in kidnapping.
[00:44:11]  Exactly.
[00:44:12]  yeah i find this very weird um and i i just can't for uh i i don't know man I can't imagine the government has a giant secrets super soldier program that's predicated on successfully kidnapping children to train them.
[00:44:32]  It does seem extreme and at the very least, slightly unethical.
[00:44:37]  Oh, quite, quite unethical.
[00:44:40]  There might be some issues.
[00:44:41]  Yeah.
[00:44:42]  But that means there are zero government watchdogs who are like, hey, guys, at least cut it off.
[00:44:48]  Like, maybe a moratorium.
[00:44:50]  And that means that there has to be like teams that are just for kidnapping children to train them.
[00:44:55]  Totally.
[00:44:56]  This is a dark view of the bureaucracy.
[00:45:00]  Yeah, we got Leroy over here.
[00:45:01]  He's the best child kidnapper we have in the United States Marine Corps.
[00:45:06]  So Randy is being like, hey, you know, like they come up and they say you want to shoot lasers and fight aliens, but like, you know, it doesn't matter.
[00:45:14]  I was genetically built to say yes to this kind of thing.
[00:45:18]  Now, that's a good argument.
[00:45:19]  So they drew you into this by saying, hey, little man, do you want to play with a ray gun like you've seen in the movies and on the team?
[00:45:25]  Yeah, psychologically, but genetically, keep in mind, I was engineered and built for this.
[00:45:30]  So I'm also engineered and built to think and want that this is a good idea.
[00:45:34]  So it wasn't something that I would have resisted anyway because I was genetically engineered to think it was a good idea.
[00:45:40]  So do you know what I can't get out of my head?
[00:45:44]  What's that?
[00:45:45]  He is saying all this stuff while at the same time saying that he's the government-mandated PR person for this.
[00:45:52]  This is not good PR.
[00:45:53]  He's the head of PR talking about kidnapping children.
[00:45:57]  It is.
[00:45:58]  This is really bad.
[00:46:02]  That's a good point.
[00:46:03]  Probably would have told you to keep that front rush.
[00:46:07]  Hey, you remember how we told you ray guns and all that shit is cool?
[00:46:11]  You tell them ray guns and shit are cool.
[00:46:14]  That's what we do here.
[00:46:15]  Keep the kidnapping on the low.
[00:46:17]  Kidnapping down.
[00:46:18]  Yeah.
[00:46:20]  It's a great point.
[00:46:22]  But he's genetically engineered to say that this is a great idea.
[00:46:26]  Yes, please, let's go shoot ray guns.
[00:46:28]  So if you're genetically engineered, it kind of stands to reason that you'd have superpowers.
[00:46:34]  Well, yeah.
[00:46:34]  And so this topic comes up.
[00:46:37]  And I love the way that Randy describes his superpowers.
[00:46:41]  It's so perfect as to never be provable.
[00:46:45]  Do you have capabilities that maybe I and my colleagues here tonight don't have?
[00:46:51]  I tend to be a little smarter, a little faster, a little stronger than everybody else.
[00:46:56]  And when you say you're a little stronger, what can you do that we can't?
[00:47:00]  It really comes down to what happens with my physical strength in a physical fight.
[00:47:05]  And the best way to explain that is if I get jumped by three guys, my physical body will respond as if I'm getting jumped by three guys.
[00:47:13]  If I get jumped by 20 guys, my body will respond as if I'm getting jumped by 20 guys.
[00:47:17]  So it escalates its output based on the input attack.
[00:47:22]  So the more people who attack me, the stronger and faster I will be.
[00:47:26]  Let's send an army.
[00:47:27]  That is clever.
[00:47:30]  Yeah.
[00:47:30]  That is a good one.
[00:47:31]  That's somebody who's practiced that bullshit a lot.
[00:47:35]  Yeah, it's great.
[00:47:36]  It means nothing.
[00:47:37]  It means nothing.
[00:47:38]  Yeah.
[00:47:38]  But earlier in his life, he wasn't really in control of these powers.
[00:47:42]  But now he's fully actualized and he's in complete control.
[00:47:48]  It's a skill that is completely under my control and completely in my grasp and has its own safety protocols to keep me from killing innocent people and so forth.
[00:47:57]  Ooh, that's a good out.
[00:47:59]  Will be sorry to be hurt very badly by me.
[00:48:02]  I've never lost a fight.
[00:48:03]  You almost talked over his response.
[00:48:06]  Glad to hear that.
[00:48:06]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:48:07]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:08]  Let's get you in the UFC.
[00:48:10]  All right.
[00:48:12]  No, no, no, no.
[00:48:12]  I like that.
[00:48:13]  It seems very easy to test.
[00:48:15]  That's a great, great little out right there.
[00:48:18]  Did you not hear the little part?
[00:48:20]  All right.
[00:48:20]  It keeps me from hurting anyone innocent.
[00:48:23]  That's why if you were to suddenly show up and beat the shit out of him, it'd be like, well, my super soldier keeps me from hurting you.
[00:48:30]  Going.
[00:48:31]  Go against one of the most highly trained martial arts professionals in the world and don't kill them.
[00:48:37]  But if you can beat them up, then I need government authorization.
[00:48:42]  Fine, that's your Brigadier General.
[00:48:44]  He won't say yes.
[00:48:45]  Go ahead.
[00:48:46]  He's a meaty.
[00:48:48]  He won't let me play.
[00:48:49]  He won't let me play.
[00:48:53]  These things seem like pretty easy to test.
[00:48:55]  Yeah.
[00:48:57]  I'm a little bit smarter, a little bit stronger, a little bit faster.
[00:49:00]  No big deal.
[00:49:00]  I mean, the smarter part, we could also...
[00:49:02]  I mean, I don't really know a perfect way to quantify things.
[00:49:05]  I'm not going to find that bullshit.
[00:49:06]  Fine, you win.
[00:49:07]  But, okay, let's have you race against Michael Johnson.
[00:49:12]  I don't know.
[00:49:13]  Is he still super fast?
[00:49:14]  All right.
[00:49:14]  How about Sweet Road?
[00:49:15]  I don't have a good reference to that person anymore.
[00:49:18]  Uzain Bolt.
[00:49:18]  There you go.
[00:49:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:19]  Uzain Bolt versus Randy Kramer in a foot race.
[00:49:22]  I think so.
[00:49:22]  And then he's got to fight.
[00:49:23]  He's going to be a little bit faster than Uzain Bolt.
[00:49:26]  I bet Eddie Bravo could kick his ass.
[00:49:28]  Easily.
[00:49:29]  Yeah.
[00:49:29]  Easily.
[00:49:30]  Speaking of which, Rogan is now on Spotify.
[00:49:35]  Yes, I saw.
[00:49:36]  And just a little update.
[00:49:38]  Alex still is not on Spotify.
[00:49:40]  Alex was supposed to be his first guest.
[00:49:42]  Supposed to be there.
[00:49:43]  It was Duncan Trussell.
[00:49:44]  Duncan Trussell was the first guest.
[00:49:46]  And all of Alex's old episodes gone from Spotify.
[00:49:50]  Not in Joe Rogan's thing.
[00:49:53]  In a very literal sense, Alex will never be on Spotify.
[00:49:57]  I wanted to cover Alex's show because I'm sure he's going to have a freak out about that.
[00:50:00]  Oh, yeah.
[00:50:00]  We're just going to have enough time.
[00:50:01]  Yeah.
[00:50:01]  So that'll probably be on Friday.
[00:50:02]  All right.
[00:50:03]  But back to the superpowers.
[00:50:04]  Yes.
[00:50:05]  It turns out he can also run and jump really fast.
[00:50:09]  Okay.
[00:50:09]  You can't leap tall buildings in a single bound, but can you sort of jump over high walls and stuff like that and run faster?
[00:50:15]  Well, yeah, like I said, it's situation responsive.
[00:50:17]  So the faster I need to run, the faster I'll run.
[00:50:20]  The higher I need to jump, the higher I will jump.
[00:50:22]  And like the actual limitations of that as far as like inches and feet are classified.
[00:50:27]  But again, it escalates based on threat.
[00:50:30]  So we're not really sure what the top of those scales are sometimes because we haven't necessarily seen top-scale threat.
[00:50:35]  I have a perfect way to test this.
[00:50:38]  Okay.
[00:50:39]  We have to create a scenario where there's a parkour contest against like, I don't know, Tony Ja or someone who's like a really high professional parkour person.
[00:50:52]  Whoever loses will be executed.
[00:50:56]  Now that.
[00:50:57]  Because you have to make government hit.
[00:50:59]  It's against the law for the government to stop him.
[00:51:01]  It's against the law for them to kidnap kids.
[00:51:05]  Yeah, but this is an asset of theirs.
[00:51:07]  Well, they don't want to lose money on this.
[00:51:09]  Let's just say.
[00:51:11]  But how else would you do it?
[00:51:12]  How else would you create the required threat that you need to jump over that building?
[00:51:17]  Sure.
[00:51:18]  No, furthermore, what this implies is that the government has done a lot of testing that involves regularly increasing threats.
[00:51:26]  Like they're in a box and they're like, all right, today you fight a lion.
[00:51:30]  And then tomorrow they're like, you fight two lions.
[00:51:32]  As though that's the way that people are going to figure out what your level is.
[00:51:35]  Can I be clear with you, too, that I think that what this has to be regulated by is adrenaline, right?
[00:51:40]  I mean, it's got to be a situation where the threat is perceived by the body as an adrenaline response.

=== Age-Regression and Aliens (05:06) ===

[00:51:46]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:51:47]  So you could artificially elevate your adrenaline.
[00:51:50]  No, no, no, you can't.
[00:51:51]  Super soldier, you need whatever it is that's causing him and his body to respond to threats the way it is could be artificially recreated and he could jump over a building.
[00:52:02]  Not with civilian technology.
[00:52:03]  They have the alien stuff.
[00:52:04]  None of the aliens ever figured that one out.
[00:52:09]  So we know from listening to Randy on Project Camelot that after his tour of service was done, he was age regressed, which is to say that the government had an exact perfect clone of him at the age that he left.
[00:52:24]  Right.
[00:52:25]  And then his consciousness was transferred into exactly.
[00:52:28]  Now, Mike down for this because we get a little more information than I remember.
[00:52:32]  He's had years to work on this story.
[00:52:34]  This is not good.
[00:52:35]  Okay.
[00:52:36]  So you spent all those long periods, but because they're able, they've got back-engineered technology, presumably, that allows them to compress time, you are not like 60 or 70 years of age now, which you would have to be if you'd served all of those periods.
[00:52:51]  See, now here's the funny part, right?
[00:52:54]  Is because of their ability.
[00:52:56]  Okay, so they call it age-reversing, but it's not really age-reversing.
[00:53:01]  At the end of your 20-year tour, they take you back to LOC, which is Luna Operations Command on the Moon, and they say, okay, we're going to, you know, wipe out your memory from all the traumatic, secure things that you don't want to remember anyway.
[00:53:13]  And we're going to send you back in a young do basically hatch you out a new clone body that's the same age when they took you away.
[00:53:22]  And they, and I know this is going to sound weird to some people again, but high advanced alien technology has, and science has gotten us to understand that the human soul is a quantum fluid and can be removed and pumped out of the body, put into another container, and held and or put back into another vessel or another body.
[00:53:47]  And so through a mechanism which I was not conscious for, obviously, and I do not recall or do not know how it works, other than they're able to remove the soul from that body, put it into this younger clone body that's the same age when you left, repress all your memories, and then put you back and you essentially wake up, you know, 15 minutes after you left from a 20-year tour.
[00:54:08]  Soul juice.
[00:54:09]  You got soul fluid.
[00:54:11]  I'm going to be honest with you.
[00:54:13]  If this was in a theater and the two of them were talking on stage and he had just said that and then just the pause, I would have stood up and slow clapped my balls off.
[00:54:24]  That would have been me just standing up and be like.
[00:54:28]  See, if I were the interviewer in that exact same situation, I would stand up and walk away.
[00:54:34]  No soul juice out of here.
[00:54:37]  Soul juice deserves a standing ovation, damn.
[00:54:40]  There's two reasons why this is bullshit.
[00:54:44]  One, what happens in the casket?
[00:54:46]  Like, is your soul juice just trapped in it?
[00:54:48]  No, no, no.
[00:54:48]  It's a quantum fluid.
[00:54:49]  It just kind of sinks down.
[00:54:50]  Into the ground?
[00:54:51]  Yeah.
[00:54:51]  That doesn't seem like it makes sense.
[00:54:53]  It doesn't really.
[00:54:53]  Or maybe all the coroners know this and they take your soul juice out and they use it to power spacecraft.
[00:54:58]  The Egyptians were doing.
[00:55:00]  So that's confusing.
[00:55:01]  And second, the other problem that I have, there's a very serious problem is you had this done.
[00:55:06]  Yeah.
[00:55:07]  Are you not curious?
[00:55:08]  You can't tell me anything about the process.
[00:55:10]  Yeah, it's classified.
[00:55:12]  He didn't say that.
[00:55:13]  He doesn't know anything about it.
[00:55:14]  He doesn't even know.
[00:55:15]  Yeah.
[00:55:15]  He never asked.
[00:55:16]  You had your soul juice put in another body.
[00:55:17]  Some things you don't ask about, Dan.
[00:55:20]  You don't ask about soul juice.
[00:55:22]  Yeah, it's rude.
[00:55:23]  Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, do the words quantum and fluid mean anything when they are put next to each other?
[00:55:32]  Maybe.
[00:55:32]  I don't know.
[00:55:32]  I don't think they do.
[00:55:34]  Okay.
[00:55:34]  I'm going to go with fluid.
[00:55:36]  It's a quantum fluid.
[00:55:37]  But that's not a.
[00:55:39]  Well, you might be on the half of the audience here that thinks this is bullshit.
[00:55:42]  Okay, I could be.
[00:55:43]  Hey, Randy Kramer, you are dividing my audience here.
[00:55:46]  Some of them love it, and some of them say, gee, not sure about this.
[00:55:52]  But amazing stuff.
[00:55:53]  That was polite.
[00:55:54]  If you just joined us now, we're half an hour into this hour, and you missed the first half hour, if you see what I'm saying.
[00:56:00]  Captain Randy Kramer is a man who was bred for missions to Mars.
[00:56:05]  Yep.
[00:56:06]  So.
[00:56:06]  Amazing.
[00:56:07]  Yeah.
[00:56:07]  I mean, there's the constant reminder that there's a bunch of people listening who think this is trash.
[00:56:14]  This is garbage.
[00:56:15]  And I think that's important.
[00:56:17]  I think that's responsible.
[00:56:19]  He's very polite about how he's expressing what is clearly a bunch of people saying he's full of shit.
[00:56:24]  Yeah.
[00:56:25]  So there's a question that is important.
[00:56:27]  It's like, why aren't there a ton of people who have the exact same story as you?
[00:56:32]  Good question.
[00:56:32]  Very important point, and people would get on my back if I didn't put this point to you.

=== Solar Warden's Silence (08:40) ===

[00:56:36]  Sure.
[00:56:36]  But some of those craft have, you said, a few thousand people on board them, which they might well have.
[00:56:42]  Where are all of those people, and why aren't they speaking too?
[00:56:46]  Well, some of them do.
[00:56:48]  Do they?
[00:56:49]  Do they?
[00:56:50]  Yeah, sure.
[00:56:51]  Some of them do.
[00:56:51]  There aren't a lot of people because most of them, their memories have been repressed very, very quickly, either badly or well.
[00:56:58]  And so sometimes their brains end up being more Swiss cheese and oatmeal.
[00:57:03]  And it's hard for them to bring memories to a cohesive state.
[00:57:07]  I talk to people all the time who are in the process of unfolding their traumatic memory experiences and are constantly asking me for advice on how to remember things more clearly and how to get their memories back and how to deal with the trauma and so forth.
[00:57:22]  And so there's a lot of people who are.
[00:57:24]  I will just be honest and tell you that most of them, quite simply, have no desire to be an out-in-front public person.
[00:57:32]  They don't want to be targeted.
[00:57:33]  They do not want to be, you know, get any hassle from anybody because most of them have not been given permission by command officers.
[00:57:39]  You must forgive that.
[00:57:40]  A lot of people would find it strange that you are the main person authorized, you say, to be doing the speaking about this.
[00:57:46]  If there are so many people who go through that experience, and if you're in contact with them here on Earth.
[00:57:51]  Well, I'm one.
[00:57:52]  I'm one of two.
[00:57:53]  Oh, two.
[00:57:54]  There's two.
[00:57:56]  Now, I would suggest that if we take Randy at face value, what he is describing is there is a government program that makes super soldiers, kidnaps them from their parents without anyone's consent in order to train them up through their dreams and other things.
[00:58:14]  Indeed.
[00:58:15]  Then has them fight battles against aliens for 20 years or whatever.
[00:58:20]  Yeah, and then takes the soul juice and puts it back in a younger clone body, wipes all their memories, which leaves many of them with brains like Swiss cheese or oatmeal in terrible pain, not remembering any of this, feeling crazy for the rest of their lives.
[00:58:37]  And Randy is doing PR for them.
[00:58:42]  I was just sitting there thinking, just like, what is it?
[00:58:47]  Randy, I'm sorry, but your previous Brigadier General was fired because he hired you as our PR guy, and you just gave us PR as scrambling people's brains, maybe on purpose?
[00:59:00]  Yeah.
[00:59:00]  Do you describe a nightmare?
[00:59:02]  Badly or well, are you implying that we want to scramble brains?
[00:59:07]  I think that's what I heard.
[00:59:08]  I think that's what I'm hearing.
[00:59:09]  So your brigadier general is fired, and also you are.
[00:59:13]  He's describing something really, really horrifying.
[00:59:15]  Yeah.
[00:59:16]  And just being like, hey, I work for them.
[00:59:19]  What?
[00:59:19]  Why?
[00:59:21]  Shouldn't you be a whistleblower trying to stop this?
[00:59:23]  No, no, no.
[00:59:24]  No, I work there.
[00:59:24]  They're great guys.
[00:59:25]  Weird.
[00:59:26]  So anyway, there's two.
[00:59:27]  There's two of them.
[00:59:28]  And here's Randy's explanation for that.
[00:59:31]  Yeah, there are two people actually.
[00:59:32]  Well, let me put it in, try and answer that in a more broad way, to be more specific to get where you're going at with that.
[00:59:39]  Have you ever seen me with a mustache?
[00:59:41]  The fleet that Naval Space Command sort of runs for the planet is divided into two fleets in the same way that here in America we have a Pacific fleet and Atlantic fleet to separate ships and guard sort of two different coastal ports.
[00:59:56]  So we got up space and downspace.
[00:59:58]  Up policing of the solar system, it's easier to sort of divide it in an imaginary line down the middle of it and have a fleet on the one side and another fleet on the other side.
[01:00:08]  So you have the equipment.
[01:00:10]  They're called Solar Warden and Radiant Guardian.
[01:00:13]  Now, each fleet decided that they needed to have a spokesperson and that they would pick a spokesperson and each of those spokespersons would come out about the same time.
[01:00:23]  Which one are you the spokesperson?
[01:00:26]  I am the spokesperson for Radiant Guardian.
[01:00:28]  The other spokesperson for Solar Warden is a gentleman by the name of Corey Good.
[01:00:32]  You may or may not have heard of him.
[01:00:33]  Is he in America?
[01:00:35]  He is, absolutely.
[01:00:36]  If you don't know about him, look him up.
[01:00:38]  That's convenient.
[01:00:39]  They're both American guys.
[01:00:41]  Yeah, it's laughable that these space programs decide, hey, we need a spokesperson speaking.
[01:00:46]  We both need spokesmen.
[01:00:48]  And they started out with one spokesman, and one guy was like, I can't be handling with this spokesman.
[01:00:52]  We're going to need our own spokesperson.
[01:00:54]  What spokes job is being achieved here?
[01:00:57]  I don't see what good is coming of this.
[01:00:59]  Is Good a better spokesman than you?
[01:01:01]  Oh, he's been getting into COVID denialism lately.
[01:01:04]  See, there we go.
[01:01:05]  You guys are bad choices for spokesman.
[01:01:07]  So, like.
[01:01:10]  What's interesting to me is that, like, just look at this from an institutional perspective.
[01:01:14]  Like, you are the Navy.
[01:01:16]  You're running the Solar Warden or whatever, right?
[01:01:19]  Okay.
[01:01:20]  What good does this guy do you?
[01:01:22]  What good is he doing?
[01:01:23]  Hold on.
[01:01:23]  Let me ask you a better question.
[01:01:25]  Are you running East or West Solar Warden?
[01:01:29]  Oh, no, because one's Radiant Garden.
[01:01:30]  Oh, okay.
[01:01:31]  So you're running.
[01:01:32]  Well, I mean, I assume Radiant Garden does things differently from Solar Warden.
[01:01:36]  Wow.
[01:01:38]  I don't know what Solar Warden standards are.
[01:01:40]  I don't know.
[01:01:42]  But what is achieved by this?
[01:01:44]  Like, obviously, if you have a spokesperson, they would be there to answer questions about things.
[01:01:49]  Sure.
[01:01:49]  There is nothing to answer questions about.
[01:01:53]  There's not like, oh, hey, there's a reported story in the AP about Solar Warden's behavior.
[01:01:59]  We've got to reach out to the spokesman for comment.
[01:02:01]  Right.
[01:02:02]  That's not happening.
[01:02:03]  So this is furthermore not just PR in the sense that it was like, if people are, I'm fielding questions in order to make the company.
[01:02:10]  Well, that's what often a spokesperson would do.
[01:02:13]  It's active outreach.
[01:02:14]  Right.
[01:02:14]  I'm being directed to tell you.
[01:02:18]  This is the worst place in the world.
[01:02:20]  The problem with that is if he's a spokesman in that sense, he's doing a terrible job.
[01:02:24]  We kidnap kids and then bring them back to brain sprides.
[01:02:28]  What?
[01:02:28]  No, we don't support that.
[01:02:29]  It's not in our name.
[01:02:30]  No.
[01:02:31]  Doing more damage than good.
[01:02:33]  If this is some crazy, elaborate secret program, then it's better for them to not have someone like Randy.
[01:02:40]  It does them no good.
[01:02:41]  Agreed.
[01:02:41]  It does them no good.
[01:02:43]  Agreed.
[01:02:44]  Anyway, There's these two branches.
[01:02:47]  No, here's what they're doing.
[01:02:48]  They want you to underestimate them, Dan.
[01:02:51]  They want you to think they're so stupid that they're Grandi Kramer to do it.
[01:02:56]  And then, whenever you finally come at them, oh, they're brilliant.
[01:03:01]  It's all part of the long game, bro.
[01:03:02]  Victory then.
[01:03:04]  So, you know, you got these two guys.
[01:03:06]  You got Randy Kramer and you got Corey Good.
[01:03:09]  And they're both weirdly from the United States, but they're supposed to be policing space.
[01:03:14]  So, how does this work?
[01:03:16]  You said policing the solar system.
[01:03:18]  Who is policing the solar system?
[01:03:22]  Well, Earth Defense Force, Naval Space Command, and this other sort of loose international group of military persons who sort of conglomerate together to make up the fleet.
[01:03:34]  So participating countries have officers and pilots and so forth that they contribute to the larger program, and then those people are distributed throughout the fleet in various missions and persons.
[01:03:46]  So this is real-life Star Trek then?
[01:03:48]  It's the Federation.
[01:03:50]  Pretty much.
[01:03:51]  I mean, except that if you want to get real mommy, get all nerdy about it.
[01:03:56]  The Federation's mission was very diplomatic and peaceful and was non-military.
[01:04:01]  And we definitely have a military mission because we consider the military protection of the solar system to be absolutely necessary given the tangible threats that we have to deal with, which again aren't so horrible that we can't deal with them, but there is a list of tangible threats that we have to deal with.
[01:04:16]  So the tangible threats aren't really that bad, and yet we use it as a justification to kidnap children and then leave them with their brains fried afterwards.
[01:04:26]  Wow.
[01:04:26]  I don't support this.
[01:04:28]  No, there's no other way.
[01:04:30]  The tangible threats aren't that bad.
[01:04:32]  Turns out.
[01:04:36]  Listen, as your PR guy, I want to just let everybody know this would be way better if it was Star Trek.
[01:04:43]  I know everything about Star Trek.
[01:04:44]  I'm a bit of a nerd.
[01:04:45]  In actuality, this is the worst.
[01:04:48]  Yeah, it's really no problem and we ruin people's lives.
[01:04:52]  Yeah, Star Trek, excuse me.
[01:04:54]  So Howard goes to some listeners who have brought up some interesting points.
[01:04:58]  And one of them has to do with the fact that if you're in space for like 10 fucking years, your body will deteriorate.

=== Regrowing Limbs (03:50) ===

[01:05:02]  There you go.
[01:05:03]  Randy has his go-to experience.
[01:05:06]  Now, one of our listeners, Hedi, who is a scientist and is a regular contributor to this show, says, prolonged exposure to 17 years or whatever of Martian gravity would cause massive bone deterioration.
[01:05:17]  How did you avoid that?
[01:05:20]  Well, I hate this amazing medical technology that was used on us all the time because we were in the field engaging in regular combat, and I've had my arms and my legs blown off so many times I can't even count.
[01:05:35]  And they essentially use what we call a holographic regenerating medical bed technology, which uses a projected hologram at a cellular level to convince your body to regrow and damaged and ripped off limbs.
[01:05:49]  And what's that technique called again?
[01:05:51]  I love the name of that.
[01:05:51]  What's that called?
[01:05:52]  Holographic?
[01:05:53]  A holographic regenerating.
[01:05:56]  It doesn't sound like he believes him.
[01:05:59]  It really doesn't.
[01:06:01]  It sounds incredibly polite.
[01:06:03]  It does not seem like he believes him.
[01:06:05]  Oh, that's good.
[01:06:06]  I love the name of that.
[01:06:07]  Tell me the name of your name of your magical made-up world, K-Rowley.
[01:06:12]  So here we get a little bit more information about these med beds because, you know, they've been brought up a bit, but the actual mechanics of it have always been that I hope this clip answers.
[01:06:22]  Maybe.
[01:06:23]  If he's had his arms and legs blown off so many times.
[01:06:28]  Does he lose any soul juice?
[01:06:31]  Soul Juice isn't in the arms.
[01:06:34]  None.
[01:06:34]  It's a quantum liquor.
[01:06:35]  There isn't even a little bit of soul juice in the arms.
[01:06:38]  What does that even mean?
[01:06:41]  Are you your arm?
[01:06:42]  This is a philosophical question now.
[01:06:44]  If you replace every part of your body, if you go into your clone with your soul juice, are you still you?
[01:06:50]  I don't know.
[01:06:50]  This is a good question.
[01:06:51]  These questions do not come up, and I'm sorry that your question is not answered.
[01:06:57]  A hologram that has a resolution at the cellular level that projects of a perfect image of your body that restores damaged tissue and/or at the end of a severed limb will fool that cellular tissue to keep going.
[01:07:13]  Because the only thing that stops your tissue from growing when you've blown off a limb is it reaches, oh, there's nothing here to keep going to.
[01:07:19]  But if you convince it by having a hologram at a cellular level that it goes, oh, I can just keep growing.
[01:07:24]  You essentially fool your body that it can just keep growing and you can regrow an entire limb.
[01:07:28]  So there's a master template of you somewhere.
[01:07:31]  Content.
[01:07:32]  Sure.
[01:07:32]  Right.
[01:07:33]  They use it.
[01:07:33]  Your perfect genetic sample.
[01:07:35]  Basically, it's just a DNA map that they can project holographically.
[01:07:39]  I'm going to do one of those.
[01:07:46]  All right.
[01:07:46]  He wins.
[01:07:47]  I have nothing funnier to say than that.
[01:07:49]  It seems like he's being a dick to him really politely.
[01:07:52]  He's really polite.
[01:07:53]  Yeah.
[01:07:53]  Oh, I could use one of those, boy.
[01:07:55]  Yeah.
[01:07:56]  So apparently, I don't know.
[01:07:58]  I'm not a doctor and I didn't pay much attention in biology classes in college.
[01:08:03]  And so I'm just going to have to leave this to the audience.
[01:08:05]  Reach out and tell us if the only reason your arm doesn't grow back is because it gets there and it's like, ah, nothing here.
[01:08:11]  It sounds right.
[01:08:13]  So holograms are apparently the solution to that.
[01:08:15]  It turns out that's a great idea.
[01:08:16]  Because I'm not a doctor, I can't speak on this or tell you that it sounds very dumb.
[01:08:21]  But hey, maybe it works.
[01:08:23]  Anyway, there's a really lingering question that I think is very important.
[01:08:28]  And Carrie.
[01:08:29]  Okay, if you can, if soul juice exists at the quantum level, it's quantum fluid.
[01:08:35]  Soul juice.
[01:08:36]  Can you artificially create it in like a collider?

=== Job Negotiations Revealed (15:45) ===

[01:08:42]  Can you create soul juice?
[01:08:44]  If you are telling me that the soul is a physical, only changed.
[01:08:49]  All right.
[01:08:50]  Fair enough.
[01:08:51]  I retract my question.
[01:08:53]  So this lingering question that I think is really important, I didn't really get a real sense of in the other interview I heard of his is like, what's your job?
[01:09:01]  What is your job?
[01:09:02]  He's a PR guy.
[01:09:02]  Well, do you have a regular job in the States?
[01:09:07]  My regular job is as an independent field commander of United States Marine Corps Special Section.
[01:09:12]  So under that series of duties is three main things right now that I have to deal with, which is criminal investigation, research and development, and public relations.
[01:09:21]  So the research.
[01:09:24]  Yes.
[01:09:26]  I have a couple of very, I'm just going to call them strange X-File type cases that have been given for me to deal with that involve criminal activity of a very unusual nature, which I'm really, because it's an open criminal case, I can't really say anything more about it.
[01:09:43]  But yeah, those are probably, that's my top priority, to be honest with you right now.
[01:09:47]  You're the PR guy.
[01:09:49]  Why would they have the same person be Fox Mulder and the guy who answers the phone at the FBI or whatever?
[01:09:57]  That doesn't make sense.
[01:09:58]  Oh, come on.
[01:10:00]  Look, that's a fantasy.
[01:10:03]  If you've got time to lean, you've got time to investigate.
[01:10:06]  You are not always giving interviews.
[01:10:08]  Jordan, I will grant that his PR work is probably pretty limited.
[01:10:13]  He would probably have time.
[01:10:15]  I wouldn't give him that many hours in the PR field.
[01:10:18]  I would say that he does have bandwidth to do some criminal investigations.
[01:10:24]  Although I really, really, really don't think that any competent organization would have all of those hats being worn by the same person.
[01:10:30]  Seems dumb.
[01:10:31]  Brigadier General, can I do PR today?
[01:10:34]  Oh, you could do PR, but just for today.
[01:10:38]  So now here's where it gets weird about this job situation.
[01:10:42]  Well, about the job situation.
[01:10:43]  I mean, it's already weird that he's so rangy, but it gets even worse.
[01:10:47]  Randy, what does it say on your paycheck?
[01:10:50]  I don't get one.
[01:10:51]  That's why I'm an independent field commander.
[01:10:54]  I'm responsible for dealing with all of my own resources and so forth.
[01:10:58]  How do you live?
[01:11:00]  How do you make ends meet, as we say here?
[01:11:02]  How do you pay for your food, your accommodation, all the rest of it?
[01:11:07]  There are some wonderful people who have been wonderful and helped me out when I've needed it.
[01:11:12]  I do teach a psionics class, and every once in a while when I do one of those, I get a marginal fee for teaching a class.
[01:11:21]  I get teeny keys for public speaking, which doesn't amount to anything.
[01:11:24]  But to be honest, it's some really wonderful people who have picked up the slack and said, you know, we want to help you and have, you know, taken care of that for me.
[01:11:32]  So really some wonderful folks.
[01:11:34]  So it's just people who maybe believe that he's a super soldier have given him a bunch of money?
[01:11:40]  So I'm the PR person.
[01:11:41]  I do criminal investigations in space.
[01:11:44]  I have a Patreon.
[01:11:47]  That's strange.
[01:11:50]  You should maybe quit as the PR person.
[01:11:53]  You are a bad PR person.
[01:11:55]  Not only do they steal children, but they don't even pay you.
[01:11:59]  Yeah.
[01:11:59]  I mean, this is going to be a serious labor issue.
[01:12:03]  He's a slave investigator.
[01:12:05]  That's what he's saying.
[01:12:06]  Yeah.
[01:12:06]  That's what he's saying.
[01:12:07]  Well, I mean, he doesn't say that he can't quit.
[01:12:10]  He doesn't say that.
[01:12:11]  So we don't know that for sure.
[01:12:13]  I feel like it's an implied you'll be killed situation.
[01:12:17]  Or your soul juice won't be put into another body.
[01:12:19]  Or your soul juice will be stolen.
[01:12:20]  Because he has to be expecting that once he gets to a certain age or his body wears down.
[01:12:25]  You can put it into some new soul juice.
[01:12:26]  Yeah.
[01:12:27]  You'd think.
[01:12:28]  Maybe that's the payment.
[01:12:29]  What if they put you in kind of like a...
[01:12:30]  Paying him with immortality.
[01:12:32]  Ooh, that's a...
[01:12:32]  I think that's a bad payment for his shitty life.
[01:12:36]  Well, I don't know if his life's that shitty.
[01:12:38]  No, that's fair.
[01:12:39]  I bet he has a job at an office.
[01:12:40]  Yeah, I was going to say.
[01:12:42]  He's probably a really great fucking groundskeeper.
[01:12:45]  Like, I bet he could fucking kill a baseball diamond, you know, like really make it look beautiful.
[01:12:51]  Sure.
[01:12:52]  So it's a problem that he's not getting paid, or at least it's very confusing.
[01:12:55]  So Howard pushes back on this a little.
[01:12:57]  But I know it's not called this, but why aren't the Star Corps paying you?
[01:13:01]  Oh, that is actually a more complicated legal reason.
[01:13:04]  Being activated under the independent field commander clauses, I actually have a greater legal authority to do the things that I need to do as an independent field commander, not getting a paycheck than I would getting a paycheck, which would actually limit what I can do.
[01:13:17]  Without a much more complicated legal discussion of that, it's a very specific legal parameter on being independent versus being completely dependent on them.
[01:13:28]  Do you often get asked the question I've just asked you about how do you pay for all this?
[01:13:33]  Not a ton.
[01:13:33]  I mean, every once in a while.
[01:13:35]  He doesn't seem to be getting asked the regular questions very often.
[01:13:38]  You would think.
[01:13:39]  So, yeah, I guess what he's trying to harken to is the idea that if you're a contractor, they farm out your blackwater mercenary.
[01:13:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:13:51]  So I can do more outside the law than within.
[01:13:54]  Sure.
[01:13:54]  Whatever.
[01:13:56]  Mercenaries also get paid.
[01:13:57]  I'm going to ask you really quick.
[01:13:59]  An organization that has no problem genetically creating children, secretly implanting them into host bodies, then stealing them when they are four, I don't understand why they're real hung up on the payment part.
[01:14:14]  Yeah.
[01:14:15]  Or pay you in gold or something.
[01:14:17]  Yeah.
[01:14:18]  Bitcoin.
[01:14:18]  Yeah.
[01:14:19]  You can get paid.
[01:14:20]  Yeah.
[01:14:21]  You can weave this into the narrative.
[01:14:22]  Untraceable money.
[01:14:24]  Yeah.
[01:14:24]  So this leads to Howard making a joke.
[01:14:26]  Do me a favor, Randy.
[01:14:27]  Don't tell any radio station that explanation for why you shouldn't be paid because they're all going to be using it.
[01:14:34]  You know, I've got bills to pay.
[01:14:36]  Damn charming guy.
[01:14:38]  He's great.
[01:14:38]  That's great.
[01:14:39]  So he asks Randy, because this is really hard to, as a pill to swallow.
[01:14:43]  Capitalist overlords would love to treat me like that.
[01:14:46]  You, Randy, are working for Space Army.
[01:14:51]  Yeah.
[01:14:52]  You're doing PR work.
[01:14:54]  You're a detective for paranormal shit.
[01:14:56]  I'm a good one.
[01:14:57]  You're not getting paid.
[01:14:58]  Why would I?
[01:14:59]  Do you have a contract?
[01:15:01]  That's a good question.
[01:15:01]  Have you got a contract that you can read, like a piece of paper with these people?
[01:15:05]  Not in front of me that I could show you.
[01:15:06]  I mean, let me put it this way: in a box, somewhere in a vault, that my records exist, and then there is a contract.
[01:15:14]  I'm going through a process to try and get them, but I don't expect it to happen soon.
[01:15:19]  Yeah, me neither.
[01:15:21]  I'm trying to get my legal documents.
[01:15:23]  Of course.
[01:15:24]  But every time I ask my brigadier general, he's like, go back to PR work.
[01:15:28]  Yeah.
[01:15:28]  It's in a box somewhere.
[01:15:31]  Great.
[01:15:31]  Whatever.
[01:15:32]  It's in the Ark of the Covenant.
[01:15:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:15:34]  Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, it's big warehouse.
[01:15:36]  So we've basically gotten where we're going to get on this line of questions.
[01:15:40]  Pretty much.
[01:15:41]  And so Howard moves it over to talking about, yeah, what's it like on Mars?
[01:15:46]  What's it like to be on the surface of Mars?
[01:15:51]  Well, the gravity is less than half.
[01:15:55]  It's about 0.4.
[01:15:57]  So, you know, it's much lighter, that's for sure.
[01:16:00]  And that's why you have the extra strength, then, presumably.
[01:16:04]  Well, I mean, first of all, we're there in an augmented powered body armor environment suit.
[01:16:15]  So not only do you have the ability to sort of jump higher and throw things farther, you're in a powered body armor, so you can even jump higher and farther and throw things farther.
[01:16:26]  So it's a little crazy.
[01:16:29]  But you're not allowed to bring that back with you.
[01:16:32]  Oh, heck no.
[01:16:33]  Nope.
[01:16:34]  Also, why are you so focused on throwing things?
[01:16:38]  How much throwing are you doing?
[01:16:40]  Well, because he works on a baseball diamond most of the time.
[01:16:42]  I could be.
[01:16:44]  I think this is indicative of one thing.
[01:16:46]  Everyone who's in the Space Weirdo interviewing community, whether consciously or instinctively, knows what questions not to ask because he's really thrown off by a lot of these very, very simple questions.
[01:17:00]  Like basic questions.
[01:17:01]  Yeah, yeah, just like you can hear him when he's like, well, like he's an element, he's snap.
[01:17:10]  I got my prepared response.
[01:17:12]  Let me offer Randy a little bit of an out on that.
[01:17:14]  Okay.
[01:17:15]  If I had been on Mars and you asked me what's it like on Mars, that's such an open question that it might take a second to be like, well, the gravity is different.
[01:17:24]  Fair.
[01:17:25]  You know, like, what's it like in Chicago?
[01:17:29]  See, you paused.
[01:17:30]  It's nice.
[01:17:31]  Yeah.
[01:17:31]  You didn't have a quick answer.
[01:17:32]  That's fair.
[01:17:32]  That's fair.
[01:17:33]  It's a broad topic that you don't have like an easy, like immediate, satisfying answer for.
[01:17:39]  Yeah, I wouldn't say the gravity's normal here.
[01:17:41]  Sure is, though.
[01:17:45]  So also another thing that Randy got to do while he was in space was he got to go to some intergalactic negotiations.
[01:17:52]  Steve Pieczenik wasn't there.
[01:17:54]  Yep, he was.
[01:17:55]  He was there.
[01:17:55]  He was there.
[01:17:56]  Mike down for this because it ends with my favorite question that Howard asks.
[01:18:00]  While I was on the Nautilus, I was very, very, very, very fortunate on a number of missions to the Intergalactic Space Station, not the International Space Station, the Intergalactic Space Station that rotates around Jupiter, which is a meeting place for a number of species from all over the place.
[01:18:17]  We meet there.
[01:18:18]  Other people meet there to have some really fascinating discussions, mostly diplomatic arrangements, contract negotiations, etc., treaty negotiations.
[01:18:27]  And on a number of occasions, I was tag-along, basically, as one of the only officers, flight officers with hand-to-hand combat experience.
[01:18:35]  I was a Just-in-Case, even though there was never a Just-in-Case.
[01:18:38]  Was always very peaceful arrangements, but they wanted one guy who could stab somebody in the eye with their thumb if they needed to, and that was me.
[01:18:43]  So I got to go along.
[01:18:45]  I got to sit at many different tables across from many different species while senior officers were having many different discussions, initial negotiations, contract negotiations, treaty negotiations, first contact meetings.
[01:18:58]  It was one of the most amazing things ever.
[01:19:00]  And in that, who are your favorites?
[01:19:03]  Yeah, that's a great question.
[01:19:05]  Here's.
[01:19:08]  Again, I haven't listened to enough episodes to have a good sense of who this interviewer is.
[01:19:13]  But my sense of that is if that's your question, you're not taking this very seriously anymore.
[01:19:18]  You are not, like, your question, who's your favorite alien?
[01:19:23]  Yeah.
[01:19:24]  I went to this intergalactic space station where they negotiated treaties.
[01:19:29]  Who do you like best?
[01:19:30]  Another question, if you're taking this seriously, is like, oh, on what authority are those treaties held?
[01:19:35]  Totally.
[01:19:35]  Who enforces contract law in space?
[01:19:38]  Contract law, contract law.
[01:19:40]  We're really worried about contract law here.
[01:19:43]  That must mean that.
[01:19:44]  Who's the jag officer for space?
[01:19:46]  Well, that must mean if there's other alien races coming to this space station for a negotiation, that must mean that we are already in a universal government.
[01:19:56]  Correct.
[01:19:57]  Like there must already be a one, not one world.
[01:20:01]  A united galactic because otherwise, none of this could be enforceable in any way.
[01:20:07]  Of course not.
[01:20:08]  Okay, so we break a contract.
[01:20:10]  Do we get blown up?
[01:20:12]  I mean, maybe not blown up, but there would have to be some sort of a balance.
[01:20:14]  There would have to be some sort of consequence.
[01:20:16]  From whoever can enforce these contracts.
[01:20:18]  Exactly.
[01:20:20]  That would be something I'd like to hear.
[01:20:21]  But something else I'd like to hear is, what's your favorite alien?
[01:20:23]  Who's your favorites?
[01:20:24]  That I do.
[01:20:26]  Dan, we have a ready-made answer for that question.
[01:20:29]  If anybody's asking you, you like the feline contessas.
[01:20:33]  Yeah, of course.
[01:20:34]  And I'm a dog merchant now.
[01:20:36]  You're a mercantile dog.
[01:20:37]  Yeah, of course.
[01:20:38]  Well, Randy, he doesn't realize that that's an actual question that's being asked to him.
[01:20:45]  But it is.
[01:20:46]  Who are your favorites?
[01:20:47]  Oh, gosh.
[01:20:48]  I mean, on Star Trek, I used to like on the old series The Little Tribbles.
[01:20:52]  They were good.
[01:20:52]  I mean, you know, who are the most interesting and the ones that you like?
[01:20:58]  Or do you like them all?
[01:21:00]  You know, as a person who has always been very sort of like science-motivated, I mean, I was a nerdy science kid, you know, from the get-go.
[01:21:10]  And so I was always fascinated and interested, no matter what, no matter what they looked like, no matter where they were from, no matter what their behavior was, I was always fascinated and interested to understand what in the world it was like.
[01:21:26]  You look somewhere else.
[01:21:27]  You're a diplomat.
[01:21:28]  You're a diplomat, and you like them all.
[01:21:30]  Yeah, that's like, all right, all right, man, whatever.
[01:21:32]  I was just looking for a fucking answer.
[01:21:34]  Yeah, we were going to have fun.
[01:21:36]  You're being a dick, right?
[01:21:37]  Yeah.
[01:21:37]  So there's another issue that comes up here, and I think this is another really important point that a good, well, at least a decent interviewer would ask that never comes up in other places like Project Camelot.
[01:21:50]  And that is like, okay, you were on Mars.
[01:21:52]  You're doing all this shit on Mars.
[01:21:53]  We just had a rover go there, and we saw pictures of Mars.
[01:21:57]  It doesn't look like anything like what you're talking about.
[01:21:59]  That's a problem.
[01:22:01]  But when we get these orange pictures back from Mars from NASA, they're all orange-tinted, and it looks like rubble up there.
[01:22:08]  I mean, there are some people who say that they can see figures and various other things, but it looks like rubble mostly, just nothing in particular.
[01:22:15]  You're saying.
[01:22:16]  No, no, no.
[01:22:16]  I thought there was a really great picture that came off the JPL that had a rodent tucked between two rocks.
[01:22:23]  Well, people disagree.
[01:22:24]  There have been lots of photographs like that.
[01:22:25]  I mean, there'll be a photograph of a woman in an evening gown, supposedly.
[01:22:29]  Yeah, that was more fuzzy.
[01:22:31]  But the rodent on the ground, I mean, it looked like a giant rat squirrel there next to a rock.
[01:22:35]  I mean, I thought that was way less fuzzy and way less questionable.
[01:22:39]  All right.
[01:22:39]  Yeah.
[01:22:40]  All right.
[01:22:40]  There was okay.
[01:22:41]  So you got to.
[01:22:41]  How about you don't.
[01:22:42]  Then why don't you ever talk about how big the rodents on Mars are?
[01:22:46]  That doesn't seem to be central in the narratives, but maybe it will be eventually.
[01:22:51]  There's so many goddamn rodents on Mars.
[01:22:54]  And finally, the lunar rover picked one up.
[01:22:57]  Don't worry about all the technology that I said was there.
[01:23:00]  Didn't you see there was a rodent in between two rocks?
[01:23:02]  Yeah.
[01:23:02]  That's true.
[01:23:03]  Very exciting.
[01:23:04]  Proved it.
[01:23:05]  So this is how things end.
[01:23:06]  Listen, we've got to go.
[01:23:07]  But Captain Randy Kramer, I have a million more questions I've no time to ask you.
[01:23:11]  Thank you very much.
[01:23:11]  And please.
[01:23:12]  We can have you back anytime.
[01:23:14]  That's the new.
[01:23:15]  You can go back anytime.
[01:23:16]  I will come back.
[01:23:18]  Bye.
[01:23:19]  So I think this is really interesting.
[01:23:21]  And I really do appreciate Robert sending this suggestion over.
[01:23:25]  But as we come to the end, I don't think that this is a good option for Wacky Wednesday in the future.
[01:23:32]  We can't also make fun of somebody with somebody else.
[01:23:35]  Well, but it's also from the one glimpse of this, it's unclear if he's making fun of Randy.
[01:23:41]  Sure.
[01:23:42]  Because he does talk to fucking John Rappaport and David Ike.
[01:23:46]  Right.
[01:23:46]  So who knows what kind of actual standards he has?
[01:23:50]  That's fair.
[01:23:50]  It sounds like he's making fun of Randy.
[01:23:52]  It would be so hard for me to believe that he wasn't.
[01:23:55]  Yeah, me too.
[01:23:56]  It'd be really tough.
[01:23:57]  Me too.
[01:23:58]  But I don't think that this is necessarily a good option for us to cover for the reason that I kind of laid out earlier, which is he asks follow-up questions and presents this guy who we've seen on Project Cam a lot in a light that the audience can then make up their mind.

=== Hey Dan, Play It Responsibly (10:50) ===

[01:24:14]  Sure.
[01:24:15]  That is all I ask of people who are doing Space Weirdo or this kind of interview.
[01:24:20]  Right.
[01:24:21]  That's how you do an interview like this responsibly.
[01:24:23]  You push back on ideas that are outlandish.
[01:24:27]  If someone's being too offensive, you probably end the interview.
[01:24:31]  Those are just sort of like you can talk to people.
[01:24:34]  Like you could even interview horrible people like Gavin McGinnis.
[01:24:39]  You can do it if you do it in a responsible way.
[01:24:42]  And from this one.
[01:24:43]  Politely leave them out to dry.
[01:24:45]  For this one glimpse that I have of Howard Hughes, it appears that that seemed to be what he was doing.
[01:24:51]  He pushed back on these completely absurd points.
[01:24:54]  He tried to get some details.
[01:24:56]  The details probably weren't coming.
[01:24:58]  It was polite.
[01:24:59]  He said, you're kidding.
[01:25:01]  And at the end, it does seem like his questions become less serious because I think he's like, oh, okay, I get what's going on.
[01:25:08]  I don't want to be a total asshole to this guy and be like, you're full of shit.
[01:25:11]  Because that's not the brand.
[01:25:12]  That's not the program that he's running.
[01:25:14]  But who's your favorites?
[01:25:16]  That's a great question.
[01:25:17]  Yeah.
[01:25:18]  No, no, no.
[01:25:18]  If you're trying to be a dick.
[01:25:19]  It's an even greater question just because if you're taking that into just terrestrial life, can you imagine a journalist talking to somebody at the fucking UN being like, hey, who's your favorites?
[01:25:33]  You like Germany?
[01:25:34]  Who's your favorites?
[01:25:36]  Just give me some of your faves.
[01:25:37]  Well, that's a dick question, and you know it.
[01:25:40]  I guess so.
[01:25:41]  Yeah, come on.
[01:25:42]  But Randy didn't experience it that way.
[01:25:44]  Of course not.
[01:25:44]  No.
[01:25:45]  Because he doesn't get that.
[01:25:46]  No.
[01:25:47]  So anyway, I appreciate it, but I, yeah, I don't know.
[01:25:50]  I don't know.
[01:25:51]  I think it's a great episode.
[01:25:52]  I think it's fun to listen to and to get some more information about Soul Juice and Medbeds.
[01:25:57]  About Soul Juice.
[01:25:58]  But we will have to probably keep looking for a new Soul Juice and see what comes up.
[01:26:05]  But before we get out of here, Jordan, let's take a little time to listen to VoiceMan.
[01:26:09]  Oh, that'd be great.
[01:26:10]  Hi, chat, guys.
[01:26:11]  I'm a letter carrier in a small town currently sitting in a park on my lunch break.
[01:26:16]  I just wanted to thank you for keeping me sane while I deliver the mail.
[01:26:22]  But also, and more to the point, ask, should I get a tattoo of a portrait of my DD character or just one symbolizing him?
[01:26:29]  You know, I didn't know if an actual portrait of him would be a little bit too much.
[01:26:33]  Anyway, thanks again.
[01:26:35]  Have a good day.
[01:26:36]  I feel like that's a question for you.
[01:26:38]  That's more in your vein.
[01:26:40]  Personally, I am against portrait tattoos.
[01:26:43]  I'm all about symbols.
[01:26:45]  I'm against portrait tattoos.
[01:26:46]  I don't know what it is.
[01:26:48]  I just think the representation of a face is so iffy.
[01:26:52]  Unless the face itself is a symbol.
[01:26:54]  Could be.
[01:26:55]  But I mean, even then, when you're going to an artist, faces are tough to tattoo.
[01:27:00]  You're just thinking of Roger Stone.
[01:27:02]  Well, I don't want to Nixon on you.
[01:27:04]  If your DD character is Nixon, you know where to put it.
[01:27:07]  On your back.
[01:27:08]  Oh, yeah.
[01:27:09]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:27:10]  I kind of agree with you, I think.
[01:27:11]  Also, shout out to our mail carriers out there.
[01:27:14]  Yes, 100%.
[01:27:15]  All right.
[01:27:15]  Please survive.
[01:27:16]  Hi, guys.
[01:27:17]  My name is Rashan.
[01:27:19]  I am a longtime listener, a second-time caller, because I freaked out and hung up a second ago.
[01:27:24]  So I'm sorry about that.
[01:27:26]  But I just wanted to call, and first I'll say that I really enjoy the podcast.
[01:27:32]  I think that What Y'all Do is very important as far as shining a light on the way that conspiracy culture kind of exists and how it propagates in America.
[01:27:43]  And I think that What Y'all Do really is important as far as showing people how these extreme views and conspiracy views, how they can be birthed, how they can continue, how they propagate and perpetuate from one person to the next.
[01:27:59]  I think that's marvelous.
[01:28:01]  Alex used to be a very different person back when I first encountered him.
[01:28:06]  I remember watching that documentary, Secret Rules of the World, the Bohemian Grove episode, where Alex goes to Bohemian Grove with DBC reporter, or he's an English journalist, John Ronson.
[01:28:20]  So you have Alex's documentary, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, which is still on YouTube.
[01:28:26]  That was actually filmed at the exact same time as John Ronson's Secret Rules of the World episode, which is also on YouTube.
[01:28:34]  And it's just remarkable to look at the difference between how Ronson reports Alex's daring raid, so to speak, and how Alex reports it.
[01:28:45]  That could be a fun Wacky Wednesday thing for y'all to do where you watch both and just compare them.
[01:28:50]  I don't know.
[01:28:51]  Whatever you do, I'm going to be listening.
[01:28:53]  I'm going to be supporting.
[01:28:55]  Y'all have a good one and stay safe up there.
[01:28:58]  Bye-bye.
[01:28:58]  Thank you.
[01:28:59]  Yes, thank you very much.
[01:29:02]  As to that, we've talked a bit about Alex and John Ronson's different takes on Bohemian Grove.
[01:29:09]  So unfortunately, that would be redundant as a Wacky Wednesday.
[01:29:12]  But do like the suggestion nonetheless, and thank you for the money.
[01:29:17]  Hey, Dan Jordan, this is Griffin calling out of California.
[01:29:21]  It's been referenced a few times, but Jordan keeps saying he has an Andrew Jackson joke.
[01:29:27]  I was just wondering, could he set it on the podcast?
[01:29:30]  I'm super curious now to know what it is, and I'm sure there's a few other people who are equally curious.
[01:29:37]  I don't think I'll be getting out of Chicago anytime soon.
[01:29:39]  And even though I was, I'm not sure if Jordan will be performing that night.
[01:29:43]  So if the bit isn't too long or if Jordan is not opposed to it, could we hear that bit?
[01:29:51]  Thank you.
[01:29:51]  Do the bit.
[01:29:52]  No, do the bit.
[01:29:55]  Do the bit.
[01:29:55]  It's one way too long.
[01:29:57]  And two, stand up is not done on a podcast.
[01:30:01]  But if you want to hear that bit, I'm pretty sure I have a clip of me doing stand-up, and I'm pretty sure it's on one of them.
[01:30:09]  Okay.
[01:30:09]  Yeah.
[01:30:10]  No, I won't do the bit on them.
[01:30:11]  I'm not going to do the bit.
[01:30:12]  All right.
[01:30:12]  Okay.
[01:30:13]  Hey, Dan and Jordan.
[01:30:14]  This is Katie from Oklahoma City.
[01:30:16]  I'm really glad that y'all created this online because I didn't know I never wanted to tweet this out.
[01:30:22]  But I've had this burning question forever about Alex.
[01:30:27]  He's going to have like a water sport or like durant fetish, right?
[01:30:34]  Because he talks about it all the time.
[01:30:38]  He it seems he's what it just seems like he's way too fixated on it for it not to be a huge hang-up for him in some way.
[01:30:49]  He, like, it's in, you know, in like the Technocrat drop, it's like he talks about globalists pissing on people all the time.
[01:30:57]  And it's, I find it really gross, but it's just, it comes up so frequently.
[01:31:04]  I'm convinced there's something there.
[01:31:07]  I wonder if Ellen have ever talked about it.
[01:31:09]  I know it's kind of weird and gross, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
[01:31:13]  Love the show, Fight.
[01:31:14]  First of all, no kink shaming.
[01:31:16]  Exactly.
[01:31:18]  Second, yeah, I mean, he talks about the globalists pissing on us.
[01:31:24]  He's got a scatological thing that he returns to repeatedly, yeah.
[01:31:28]  Yeah, it's hard to say if it's a preoccupation or if it's just like, ah, this is my way of saying disrespect.
[01:31:35]  And he often talks about it in the form of like female politicians pissing on him.
[01:31:43]  Correct.
[01:31:43]  Like AOC or Hillary.
[01:31:45]  He talks about that a lot, which I don't know.
[01:31:47]  I'm not ready to ascribe that to be some kind of a sexual thing for him.
[01:31:51]  But it is.
[01:31:53]  Of shows that I've ever listened to, he is the most frequent person who brings up people.
[01:31:58]  100%.
[01:31:59]  But it is a family show.
[01:32:00]  I would say that I see some sort of dominance thing there.
[01:32:07]  So I don't know if it's escalated to actual water sports, but there's definitely dumb circumstances going on there, I can only imagine.
[01:32:17]  I don't know.
[01:32:18]  I don't know.
[01:32:18]  Anyway.
[01:32:19]  Hi, guys.
[01:32:20]  Long time listener, first thought caller.
[01:32:22]  I've always wanted to say that.
[01:32:24]  I'll be honest, I'm really only doing this to deny one of my friends.
[01:32:29]  And I felt like you guys appreciated that.
[01:32:32]  So, Door Magic, I'm in your podcast now.
[01:32:37]  Thanks, guys, and keep up the great work.
[01:32:39]  I don't know if I should encourage that kind of behavior, but I decided what the hell.
[01:32:44]  I mean, we don't negotiate with terrorists, but I don't know if we flatly deny them.
[01:32:51]  Making your friend frustrated by leaving a message.
[01:32:54]  I think that's kind of fun.
[01:32:55]  That's fair.
[01:32:55]  Yeah.
[01:32:56]  I'll allow it.
[01:32:57]  There are worse things.
[01:32:57]  Hey, Dan and Jordan.
[01:32:58]  This is Clay.
[01:33:00]  I was wondering, hearing about all the news about the plants, if Dan or Jordan have ever heard of the game Stardew Valley.
[01:33:06]  If not, it is on the Switch, and I highly recommend you guys look into it.
[01:33:10]  It's comfy as fuck.
[01:33:12]  Have a great day, guys.
[01:33:14]  Yes, I have played Stardew Valley.
[01:33:16]  Oh, have you?
[01:33:17]  Yeah.
[01:33:17]  Oh, I know.
[01:33:17]  It was one of the first games I played.
[01:33:18]  Oh, no, that's right.
[01:33:19]  Now I remember.
[01:33:20]  I was thinking of the one with animals.
[01:33:22]  That's got animals.
[01:33:23]  Is that what it was?
[01:33:23]  Yeah, it's like a farming kind of game.
[01:33:25]  Oh, okay.
[01:33:26]  Yeah, I played it.
[01:33:26]  It was fun.
[01:33:27]  I don't know if it has a lot of replay value for me, but when I got it, I actually deep in our Twitter feed, you can find I was posting screenshots of the game because I named all my animals after Infowars people.
[01:33:39]  That's true.
[01:33:40]  You did.
[01:33:40]  So, like, there's a screenshot that's like, David Knight is not old enough to milk or something.
[01:33:46]  So, yeah, no, I played.
[01:33:47]  Stardew Valley was a lot of fun.
[01:33:48]  There's a lot of I like that kind of thing.
[01:33:51]  It is very mellow.
[01:33:53]  The music is very, it's relaxing.
[01:33:56]  It's just interesting enough because there is a story to it kind of thing.
[01:33:59]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:34:00]  So, yeah, I enjoy it.
[01:34:02]  I've never played it.
[01:34:02]  You should give it a shot.
[01:34:03]  I might.
[01:34:04]  I don't have a Switch, but yeah.
[01:34:08]  Consider porting it.
[01:34:10]  Write some code.
[01:34:12]  All right.
[01:34:12]  Okay, I apologize for not solving my own problem.
[01:34:15]  Yeah, one last call here.
[01:34:17]  Okay.
[01:34:17]  Hey, Dan.
[01:34:17]  Hey, Jordan.
[01:34:18]  This is Brandon.
[01:34:19]  I'm from Chicago, but I'm living in Pittsburgh right now.
[01:34:23]  Lee.
[01:34:24]  Otherwise, we'd become friends, I'm sure.
[01:34:26]  I just wanted to say that a couple of months ago, maybe, maybe sooner than that, you had been developing a narrative that Alex's show would have run out of money by now.
[01:34:41]  And that didn't happen, and I'm mad at you, and I'm disappointed that I deserve an apology.

=== Criticism And Bankruptcy Speculation (03:05) ===

[01:34:50]  I love the show.
[01:34:51]  Thanks.
[01:34:51]  You guys are very funny.
[01:34:53]  I'm going to honor your request for an apology.
[01:34:58]  I'm sorry about that.
[01:35:00]  You know, there was a situation where Alex was behaving in ways that were very consistent and very repetitively talking about how they were going out of business.
[01:35:10]  He was being very blunt and direct.
[01:35:14]  I can only express this as the person listening to it.
[01:35:18]  It's very difficult for me to recreate that on the show.
[01:35:22]  But the way that I was bringing it up repeatedly was reflecting how repeatedly he was bringing it up.
[01:35:27]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:35:28]  And you know what?
[01:35:30]  He's very fatalistic about it, for sure.
[01:35:32]  Yeah, and I appreciate the call out on this, and I accept that criticism that maybe we allowed ourselves to buy into that a little more than we should have.
[01:35:42]  But there is also a decent chance that he was in terrible financial straits, and some things were able to fix that.
[01:35:49]  I don't know.
[01:35:51]  If there's anything I'm pretty sure we've been consistent about is one, our predictions are almost always wrong.
[01:35:57]  I say that a lot.
[01:35:58]  And two, if we predict something, it will almost always go wrong.
[01:36:05]  Well, and in our faces.
[01:36:07]  I don't know how much, you know, I certainly wasn't guaranteeing all of this, but there were things that were happening also that were sort of heightening that possibility.
[01:36:16]  Totally.
[01:36:17]  Like, there was the fact that he got a DUI and that, like, he was like, it looked like things were really falling apart for him behind the scenes.
[01:36:26]  If there was a just and loving God, our prediction would have come true.
[01:36:29]  Yeah, and then there was the situation with his bankruptcy hearing, which, granted, did not end up bankrupting him, but his wife was suing him for involuntary bankruptcy that could have ended up costing him like three quarters of a million dollars.
[01:36:44]  Totally.
[01:36:44]  There were these things that were real that were happening kind of around the same time.
[01:36:50]  And, you know, I think that I've learned a little bit of a lesson.
[01:36:54]  And that is that even when things look really bad, I'm not going to buy into it.
[01:36:59]  I'm going to try and do a better job of not letting myself get caught up in the, oh, what if?
[01:37:05]  Sure.
[01:37:05]  What if this is.
[01:37:06]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:37:07]  And I think that it's a fair criticism to say that I probably did get a little bit more into like, he's going to fucking eat.
[01:37:15]  He could be out of business.
[01:37:16]  Look, we're allowed to be excitedly wrong.
[01:37:18]  Yeah.
[01:37:19]  But at the same time, I have no problem with recognizing that in that excitement, we can look back on it and be like, hey, we got carried away a little bit with what could be fantasy booking Alex's bankruptcy.
[01:37:33]  I'm not going to defend my predictions.

=== Call To Action (00:35) ===

[01:37:36]  I appreciate that.
[01:37:38]  We are called out.
[01:37:39]  So we'll be back, Jordan.
[01:37:40]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:37:41]  We do have a website.
[01:37:42]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:37:43]  Yep.
[01:37:43]  We're also on Twitter.
[01:37:44]  We are on Twitter.
[01:37:44]  It's at Knowledge Just GoFight and I GoToBed Jordan.
[01:37:46]  Yep, we're on Facebook.
[01:37:47]  We are on Facebook.
[01:37:48]  That will show you right.
[01:37:50]  And then if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area and help out people doing the best they can.
[01:37:56]  Yep, we'll be back.
[01:37:56]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[01:37:57]  I'm Leo.
[01:37:58]  I'm DZX Clerk.
[01:37:59]  I'm Daryl Rundas.
[01:38:01]  I am Soul Juice.
[01:38:03]  Andy in Kansas.
[01:38:04]  You're on the air.
[01:38:04]  Thanks for holding.
[01:38:07]  Hello, Alex.
[01:38:07]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:38:08]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:38:09]  I love your work.