Knowledge Fight - #470: ShadowGate
Aired: 2020-08-17
Duration: 03:27:24


=== Cucumber Flowers Bloom (03:08) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:29]  Dan and George.
[00:00:30]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:32]  Need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:41]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:44]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:47]  You're on the air.
[00:00:49]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  I can sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:07]  Dan!
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:09]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:11]  Well, Jordan, today, actually, my bright spot comes in the form of a riddle.
[00:01:16]  No, it does not.
[00:01:18]  30 white horses on a red hill.
[00:01:20]  No, it comes in the form of something, a segment that we had in the past at my old apartment, but it's sort of fallen by the wayside, is Plant Watching.
[00:01:29]  Yes.
[00:01:29]  I'm changing the name to Plant Watching.
[00:01:31]  Plant Watching.
[00:01:32]  Well, now that they're moving in real time, you are existing in the Plant Watching.
[00:01:35]  Yes, you do need to pay attention to them.
[00:01:37]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:01:38]  I have not given an update.
[00:01:40]  I've got a number of peppers and I've failed on quinoa really badly.
[00:01:48]  Trying round two on quinoa right now.
[00:01:50]  Seeds germinating.
[00:01:52]  Peas going well.
[00:01:53]  Peas going great.
[00:01:54]  But the bright spot, Jordan, is my cucumbers that I'm growing have begun to flower.
[00:02:00]  And it's one of the most exciting things.
[00:02:02]  I know.
[00:02:04]  I can't say enough how wild it was to come in here and look and see there's a yellow burst of flower coming out of this thing that I made from a seed.
[00:02:14]  It's very exciting.
[00:02:16]  I'm really pumped to see the fruits.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, it's a little trippy in a way.
[00:02:22]  Here we are in the middle of an apartment in Chicago and just got a little pot of dirt that I put a seed in and now it's got a weird yellow flower growing off it.
[00:02:30]  Yeah, it's nuts.
[00:02:31]  Yeah, for two dudes who are probably never going to have children, this is about as close as we're going to get.
[00:02:36]  I told you I'm going to have to pollinate them, so it's going to essentially be me cucumber husbandry.
[00:02:43]  Something or other.
[00:02:45]  Yeah, it's wild.
[00:02:47]  I spent a long time the other night watching videos about cucumber.
[00:02:53]  I'm like, okay, alright.
[00:02:55]  Can't fuck this up now.
[00:02:57]  I've got one on the hook.
[00:02:59]  And so I think I have a pretty good head on my shoulders about what needs to be done to make sure I get some cucumbers out of that, make some pickles.
[00:03:05]  Great.
[00:03:06]  Everything's going to be fantastic.
[00:03:08]  My green thumb is back after the...
[00:03:10]  Utter failure that we've not fully talked about.
[00:03:13]  We don't need to worry about it.

=== Policy Wonk's Dilemma (06:41) ===

[00:03:15]  My quinoa crop all died.
[00:03:18]  What did you expect?
[00:03:19]  100%?
[00:03:20]  You're at like 80% of everything that you've planted has worked.
[00:03:23]  Some of the stuff that's working isn't working as well as I'd like.
[00:03:26]  There's a couple of flowers that I've planted that are not going great.
[00:03:30]  But a lot of it has to do with things having differential sun needs.
[00:03:34]  So I'm trying to accommodate that now with some actual lights as opposed to relying mostly on sunlight.
[00:03:39]  Well, you're still an amateur grower.
[00:03:41]  True, true.
[00:03:42]  It's not like you've been doing this for 20 years.
[00:03:44]  No, but I'm seeing some positive signs and I'm really excited about it, so look forward to me talking a bunch more about that.
[00:03:50]  I will.
[00:03:51]  How about you, Jordan?
[00:03:53]  My bright spot is my aunt's memorial was yesterday.
[00:03:58]  Right.
[00:03:59]  And I woke up and had a really terrible feeling in my gut.
[00:04:05]  Well, because you had to...
[00:04:06]  The memorial to go to.
[00:04:07]  Because I couldn't remember what time the memorial was.
[00:04:11]  Oh no.
[00:04:11]  And I realized that I had transposed the numbers with a different appointment that I had.
[00:04:17]  So it was...
[00:04:18]  Oh no, it's not at 3am?
[00:04:19]  It's at noon, not 11. So I freaked out.
[00:04:23]  That's not too bad.
[00:04:24]  No, it's not too bad.
[00:04:24]  That's better than the reverse.
[00:04:26]  It was a three and a half hour drive to get there.
[00:04:28]  It's better than thinking it was later than it actually is.
[00:04:31]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:32]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:04:33]  Because then you show up late and miss it.
[00:04:35]  It was later than it actually was.
[00:04:36]  Oh, I think you said it wrong then.
[00:04:37]  Did I say it wrong?
[00:04:38]  I thought it was at 12 and it was at 11. Maybe I heard you wrong.
[00:04:41]  So I woke up late.
[00:04:42]  Maybe I heard you wrong.
[00:04:43]  See how easy it is to transpose times?
[00:04:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:46]  It's very difficult.
[00:04:46]  You just made a case in point of that.
[00:04:48]  And I think you also accidentally highlighted a thing that is true for both of us, and that is we are sleepy.
[00:04:53]  Not good.
[00:04:55]  We are recording this for...
[00:04:57]  For different reasons on very little sleep.
[00:05:00]  You because of your aunt's memorial and me because of what we're going to talk about.
[00:05:05]  So I wound up getting there a half hour late and my dad managed to get them to push it back so I could be there for the whole thing.
[00:05:14]  So it was like a comedy show.
[00:05:15]  Yeah, because I would never have forgiven myself.
[00:05:17]  Got a hold.
[00:05:18]  Not a chance.
[00:05:19]  So that was really, you know, it's a bright spot to get to my aunt's memorial.
[00:05:24]  Sure.
[00:05:25]  It's a bright spot.
[00:05:27]  What are you going to do?
[00:05:29]  It's better sweet.
[00:05:30]  I don't even know if that needs to be better.
[00:05:33]  Yeah, a little.
[00:05:33]  I mean, it is a memorial.
[00:05:35]  But you being late, I don't think, needs to be a better part of it.
[00:05:38]  No, it's not bad.
[00:05:38]  It all worked out.
[00:05:39]  I know that I speak for the audience when I say our hearts are with you in the trying time that you've been through in the last couple weeks.
[00:05:47]  Yeah, it's rough.
[00:05:48]  And I hope that as soon as we get done with this, you are able to take a nap.
[00:05:52]  I would love to.
[00:05:53]  I would love to go to bed.
[00:05:56]  It's in your Twitter handle.
[00:05:57]  Oh, shit.
[00:05:59]  That's where it came from.
[00:06:00]  That's why you're sleepy.
[00:06:01]  That is why.
[00:06:02]  Jordan, today, we had an...
[00:06:03]  Interesting episode to go over.
[00:06:04]  Yes, sir.
[00:06:05]  I don't know how to put this.
[00:06:08]  It's not an episode of Alex Jones' show.
[00:06:10]  Okay.
[00:06:10]  But we will get to the specifics on that here in a second.
[00:06:13]  But before we do, we take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have made this possible.
[00:06:17]  And really, you know, everyone who supports the show.
[00:06:20]  And I should say people who have supported the show and have had to, you know, erase their donations.
[00:06:26]  And people who have sent me messages who say...
[00:06:28]  You know, I want to, but I can't.
[00:06:30]  Of course!
[00:06:30]  I consider all of you in this same group, and I consider this group of wonks, so we're going to give a shout-out to a microcosm of that, that allowed me to power through to get this episode done today.
[00:06:41]  Where, under other circumstances, I might have...
[00:06:45]  Thrown my headphones across the room and said, fuck this.
[00:06:48]  This bullshit is unsustainable.
[00:06:50]  This is a spirit bomb situation.
[00:06:53]  Sure.
[00:06:54]  The love of all came to you as power.
[00:06:57]  I think in my sleep-deprived state, that is what I would like to express.
[00:07:00]  Yeah, I like it.
[00:07:01]  So first, Mark S., thank you so much.
[00:07:03]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:04]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:05]  Thanks, Mark.
[00:07:05]  Thank you, Mark.
[00:07:06]  Next, Elliot S., probably not related.
[00:07:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:08]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:09]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:10]  Thank you, Elliot.
[00:07:11]  Thank you.
[00:07:11]  Next, Antique Christ.
[00:07:13]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:14]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:15]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:16]  Thank you very much, Antique Christ.
[00:07:17]  I think that means more than 20 years old.
[00:07:19]  Right?
[00:07:20]  25?
[00:07:20]  It depends on...
[00:07:21]  Are we talking about music?
[00:07:22]  I'm talking about an armoire.
[00:07:23]  It's an oldies.
[00:07:24]  Next, Sean F. Thank you so much.
[00:07:26]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:27]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:28]  Thanks, Sean.
[00:07:29]  Next, Timothy.
[00:07:30]  Fake!
[00:07:32]  V. Thank you so much.
[00:07:33]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:34]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:35]  Thank you, Tim.
[00:07:36]  Fake!
[00:07:38]  Next, FastBlint.
[00:07:39]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:39]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:40]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:41]  Thank you very much.
[00:07:42]  And Jackie.
[00:07:43]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:44]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:45]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:46]  Thanks, Jackie.
[00:07:47]  It's not Jack Hay, though, unfortunately.
[00:07:49]  She is awesome.
[00:07:50]  And then finally, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
[00:07:53]  We appreciate that very much.
[00:07:54]  So Mike C., thank you so much.
[00:07:56]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:07:57]  And Rebecca E., thank you so much.
[00:07:59]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:08:00]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:01]  Crikey, mate.
[00:08:02]  That's fantastic.
[00:08:03]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:08:04]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:08:06]  All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
[00:08:08]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:08:10]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:08:12]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:08:14]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:08:15]  I declare Infowar on you.
[00:08:18]  Thank you so much, Mike, and thank you so much, Rebecca.
[00:08:21]  Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
[00:08:22]  If you're out there thinking, hey, enjoy the show, I'd like to support these gents, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or you can take that generosity, put it on a pillow, and take a nap over at a local charity.
[00:08:33]  In your area.
[00:08:34]  That one I feel like is a bit of a cop-out.
[00:08:36]  Well, to be fair, it's about the energy either of us has left for extraneous issues right now.
[00:08:42]  That's fair!
[00:08:43]  So before we get to the actual episode, Jordan, we gotta take a little look inside the old mailbag.
[00:08:47]  Oh, hey!
[00:08:48]  Yeah!
[00:08:50]  So, I mentioned in the last episode that we got a bit of a soda machine.
[00:08:55]  And there was not a note or a name along with it.
[00:08:58]  And I found out, once again, great audience.
[00:09:00]  A lot of people not taking credit falsely for gifts.
[00:09:04]  I do appreciate that.
[00:09:06]  But I got a message from Bex, or it could be Bix, I'm not entirely sure, B-E-X.
[00:09:12]  I've known somebody who spelled their name that way, that it was pronounced like an I. I think it might be a British thing, I'm not entirely sure.
[00:09:19]  But either way, Bex, Bix R. Just an amazing care package came right after with...
[00:09:27]  All sorts of, like, there was some blackcurrant syrups.
[00:09:31]  Sure, sure.
[00:09:31]  And some Calibri drinks.
[00:09:34]  Calibri drinks.
[00:09:34]  They're like some sort of a fizzy thing, and then on the top of each of them, there's like a syrup that you can add.

=== Incredible Care Package (03:02) ===

[00:09:41]  I think it might be to taste, and it changes the flavor of them.
[00:09:44]  I don't know what it is.
[00:09:46]  It's crazy.
[00:09:47]  Is it good?
[00:09:47]  I don't know.
[00:09:48]  I haven't tried it yet.
[00:09:48]  I haven't had time to.
[00:09:49]  All right.
[00:09:50]  So it's like one of those yogurt things that you pour nuts into, but it's a drink and it's syrup.
[00:09:55]  I think so, yes.
[00:09:56]  I haven't studied it.
[00:09:58]  Okay.
[00:09:58]  There were some other items, an elderflower lemonade, a conspiracy theory board game.
[00:10:04]  Yes.
[00:10:05]  Just an amazing care package.
[00:10:07]  A lot of really cool, thoughtful things.
[00:10:08]  Totally.
[00:10:09]  And then for you, Jordan.
[00:10:10]  Oh, for me, I got the best gift, I think, ever.
[00:10:13]  I saw that and I opened the package and I thought...
[00:10:16]  Jordan might cry.
[00:10:17]  It's very close.
[00:10:19]  It's very close right now.
[00:10:21]  Yeah, Beck sent me specifically an artwork book from Steven Universe with all the original artwork and drawings and character prototypes and cool interviews with everybody.
[00:10:34]  It's an incredible gift from Bex there.
[00:10:37]  It's so cool.
[00:10:38]  It's incredible.
[00:10:39]  I'm just imagining you curling up next to the non-existent fireplace in your apartment.
[00:10:43]  I'm just going to later on to...
[00:10:45]  Actually, there is a fireplace in my apartment.
[00:10:47]  It doesn't work, though, right?
[00:10:48]  No.
[00:10:48]  I mean, it might work, but it's never going to work.
[00:10:51]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:10:52]  I feel like that's the way it is for any fireplace any of us run across.
[00:10:57]  Like, on my work, I'll never know.
[00:10:58]  No, no, no.
[00:10:59]  And then one other thing that's inside this bag is I got a nice...
[00:11:03]  A selection of bravado hot sauces from Jacob.
[00:11:08]  Jacob Wohl?
[00:11:09]  No, it was not Jacob Wohl.
[00:11:11]  We said some disparaging things about him recently.
[00:11:13]  I don't think he would send me hot sauce.
[00:11:14]  I doubt it.
[00:11:15]  He might, but it would be a prank.
[00:11:16]  He'd be trolling me with hot sauce.
[00:11:18]  A little butterfly would come out.
[00:11:21]  So, the Bravado is a nice sauce company.
[00:11:25]  One of them was a Carolina Reaper black garlic situation that's delicious.
[00:11:30]  That's interesting, yeah.
[00:11:31]  There's a ghost chili blueberry, I believe.
[00:11:33]  It's pretty good.
[00:11:34]  That's kind of when the mood strikes, you kind of sauce.
[00:11:37]  Ghost chili blueberry.
[00:11:39]  Yeah.
[00:11:39]  That's a complex flavor.
[00:11:40]  The balance is pretty nice, though, with the sweet of the berry and the heat.
[00:11:45]  And then the third one is much more challenging.
[00:11:48]  It's very umami, kind of like a miso.
[00:11:52]  I don't know what the pepper is on it, but it's pretty hot and also very umami.
[00:11:58]  It's good.
[00:11:59]  But again, those two are particular moods.
[00:12:04]  They're great, but you need to have it on the right thing.
[00:12:07]  Whereas the Carolina Reaper...
[00:12:10]  Garlic is just real good across the board.
[00:12:13]  Thank you so much, Jake.
[00:12:14]  I would like to try that.
[00:12:14]  Yeah, now that you're a heat boy.
[00:12:15]  Now that I'm a heat guy!
[00:12:16]  Yeah, although people don't even know about that.
[00:12:19]  We talked about how it happened.
[00:12:21]  We did.
[00:12:21]  They just didn't get to hear it happen.
[00:12:23]  Yeah, well.
[00:12:23]  So, Jordan, now.
[00:12:24]  Yes, sir.
[00:12:25]  The episode.
[00:12:26]  Mm-hmm.
[00:12:28]  How we doing?

=== Skeptical Responses To Millie Weaver's Arrest (15:30) ===

[00:12:29]  Are you going to make it through?
[00:12:30]  Probably not.
[00:12:31]  The big news over this weekend was that Millie Weaver, aka Rainbow Snatch, was arrested at her home in Ohio.
[00:12:38]  She got snatched, if you will.
[00:12:39]  By a rainbow.
[00:12:40]  By a rainbow.
[00:12:41]  That was a policeman.
[00:12:41]  Yes.
[00:12:42]  Along with her husband, Gavin Wintz.
[00:12:44]  The self-shot video of her arrest started making the rounds on Friday, and immediately people started to have some reasonable skeptical responses.
[00:12:51]  And immediately, I took that as the bat signal.
[00:12:54]  Yeah.
[00:12:55]  Yeah, you gotta do that.
[00:12:56]  You know, something like this happens, I'm like, well, okay, I better get a solid footing on what's going on.
[00:13:03]  Oh, God, it's the worst.
[00:13:04]  She was arrested by Commissioner Gordon.
[00:13:06]  It's the worst kind of thing for me, because it's like, well...
[00:13:10]  It's sort of a double-edged sword.
[00:13:11]  It's the best and the worst.
[00:13:13]  In terms of like, okay, I'm fucking bored with what Alex has been doing lately.
[00:13:16]  This is nice.
[00:13:17]  Throw me a curveball.
[00:13:18]  On the other hand, it's fucking Millie Weaver.
[00:13:20]  And it's nonsensical.
[00:13:22]  And so it's like, I don't know.
[00:13:24]  Anyway.
[00:13:25]  For one thing, this is Millie, who works at Infowars, so it's best not to take anything that she does at face value.
[00:13:31]  You know, there's a lot of skepticism, like I said, floating around.
[00:13:34]  There is a verification that's required for claims that are being made by people like her, so when I saw the video of her arrest, I delayed making any judgments.
[00:13:42]  The tape itself is full of things you could point to in order to build a case that the whole thing seems staged.
[00:13:47]  For one, there only appears to be one officer there to arrest her, which seems suspicious.
[00:13:52]  Additionally, the officer allows Millie to continue recording or streaming as he conducts the arrest, which at no point involves handcuffs.
[00:13:59]  No, that's a regular thing that they do, right?
[00:14:00]  The officer allows Millie to go back in the house unaccompanied to get some shoes, which seems like something a cop taking a person into custody wouldn't do, seeing as it's possible that the suspect could have a weapon in the house, they could take people in the house hostage, or they could flee out the back of the house.
[00:14:14]  It's tactically a weird thing to see on the tape, and it naturally causes a bit of doubt to creep into viewers' minds.
[00:14:21]  A couple of important things to keep in mind, though, are that Millie and her husband are white, and this is Diamond, Ohio, which is an unincorporated community in northeastern Ohio.
[00:14:30]  There's a population there of 2,700.
[00:14:33]  There's a possibility that the policing there is closer to Andy Griffith than current-day normal cities, so some of the discrepancies in the actual video didn't really actually raise that many red flags for me, as they might have to some.
[00:14:44]  It seems like a lot of it seems weird, and it is weird, but it's probably not proof of anything being staged or fake.
[00:14:50]  Plus the arrest.
[00:14:52]  Yet!
[00:14:53]  Plus, the arrest itself is pretty boring.
[00:14:56]  And if it were faked, you'd think they'd be able to amp up the drama a little bit.
[00:14:59]  Yeah, that would be fun.
[00:14:59]  Maybe get her tackled.
[00:15:01]  The thing that I found the most suspicious about this, and now since then, there's been confirmation that she actually was arrested.
[00:15:11]  We don't know a whole lot of the details because we're recording this on Sunday, and apparently the last I heard, she's supposed to go before a judge on Monday.
[00:15:17]  So we'll know more at that point.
[00:15:19]  But for now, it's a little bit of a question mark.
[00:15:22]  But the thing that I found the most suspicious was that on the day of her arrest, August 14th, through an associate's YouTube channel, she released her expose document.
[00:15:32]  Hmm.
[00:15:49]  It gives the film the appearance of authenticity and creates a whirlwind of buzz.
[00:15:54]  Looking at this rationally, there are a couple of general possibilities that seem to be in front of us.
[00:15:59]  The first is that the globalists or whoever had Millie arrested because they were worried about the documentary that she was making.
[00:16:06]  This seems dumb from their standpoint because she's been talking about this documentary for a while and any globalist worth their salt would know that arresting a person makes an expose documentary.
[00:16:14]  It only gives them more legitimacy, and the gullible audiences they prey on will eat that up.
[00:16:20]  I reject this as an explanation.
[00:16:22]  Unless solid evidence is provided, they would support this conclusion.
[00:16:26]  Yeah, considering that we do have a recent-day example of what would happen in Edward Snowden.
[00:16:32]  If the globalists wanted to do Millie like they do Edward Snowden for releasing all this information, we would be in a very different situation.
[00:16:41]  Certainly.
[00:16:42]  I think...
[00:16:43]  I believe that Infowars has actually shit on a number of whistleblower types who have gotten a lot harsher.
[00:16:51]  I don't know.
[00:16:53]  The second possibility is that Millie was arrested because of this documentary, but it's because something she did in the course of the creation of it that was illegal.
[00:17:00]  There could be an issue like she stole documents or something, and that could be the case, although I see no evidence that that's the case.
[00:17:06]  When more information is available, we can reassess this as a possibility.
[00:17:10]  The third possibility is this arrest has nothing to do with the documentary, but it's being used to promote the film all the same.
[00:17:16]  I have no reason definitively to believe that this is the case, but it seems like the most likely explanation, and here are the reasons that I feel that way.
[00:17:24]  One, the documentary was done, fully edited with voiceover and credits completed prior to the arrest.
[00:17:30]  It was waiting to be released, which could have been done at any time.
[00:17:33]  Two, Millie does not seem all that surprised in the arrest when the officer is there.
[00:17:38]  Of course.
[00:18:05]  Yeah.
[00:18:07]  We'll get to why she would have to know that towards the end of this.
[00:18:10]  Overall, though, her affect and behavior does not strike me as the way an Infowars reporter would respond to an unexpected arrest they believe to be about their reporting.
[00:18:19]  Kind of seems like...
[00:18:22]  If it were me.
[00:18:24]  Kind of seems like going through the motions.
[00:18:25]  If I were going to stage the arrest as an InfoWars reporter, I think what I would go for is an indignant kind of resignment, you know?
[00:18:36]  Like, officer, cuff me!
[00:18:39]  And you put out both your fists right next to each other, and you're like, take me to jail!
[00:18:43]  No, passive...
[00:18:45]  I think the way you would go is like passive non-compliance.
[00:18:49]  Okay.
[00:18:49]  Like make them drag you to the car or something like that.
[00:18:51]  That's not bad.
[00:18:52]  That would be the...
[00:18:54]  I've handcuffed myself to the door of your car.
[00:18:58]  Shit!
[00:18:59]  On the inside.
[00:19:00]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:19:01]  God damn it, I loomered myself.
[00:19:02]  She also did have a loomer shirt on.
[00:19:05]  While she was getting arrested.
[00:19:07]  No, I don't think that there's any chance that it was staged as a whole.
[00:19:11]  Sure.
[00:19:12]  Or even largely.
[00:19:13]  I just think that there's a decent chance that she knew that there was a warrant out for her arrest or something.
[00:19:20]  Or she got a phone call.
[00:19:21]  Any of these things are possible.
[00:19:23]  But I don't have any reason to know that.
[00:19:25]  Like, I don't have any evidence of that.
[00:19:27]  I'm just saying, it's weird the documentary was completely ready to go.
[00:19:31]  It got posted online almost immediately afterwards.
[00:19:35]  She doesn't seem surprised.
[00:19:36]  There's someone else there to take care of her kid.
[00:19:39]  I don't know.
[00:19:40]  It's just like, okay, if everything just happened organically and she was surprised by this...
[00:19:46]  It worked out about as perfectly as it could have.
[00:19:49]  It does seem like that's a really good time to release the documentary.
[00:19:54]  And then the third thing here, the third element that I have is that on Saturday the 15th, Heavy reported on the arrest and confirmed with representatives from the Portage County Jail that Millie and Gavin were in custody and that they were being held on felony charges of robbery, tampering with evidence, obstructing justice, and domestic violence.
[00:20:11]  Based on these four charges being what they were arrested for and the fact that in order for a warrant to be issued it was approved by a grand jury, I have a strong suspicion that this arrest was about something entirely different from the documentary.
[00:20:23]  It's nothing to do with it, I don't believe.
[00:20:26]  The domestic violence charge in there is particularly interesting because it makes no sense that this narrative, you know, that it's something about the documentary.
[00:20:34]  We need more information on this to reach an informed decision, but as it stands now, knowing what I know about Millie's character and the fact that she works for fucking Infowars, she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that she's an intrepid reporter getting arrested for standing up to the man.
[00:20:46]  I'm gonna go with a big no on that one.
[00:20:48]  So basically my feeling on this is follows.
[00:20:50]  It looks like the arrest itself was real, but I see no reason to conclude that it was related to the documentary.
[00:20:57]  However, it is super, super clear that there is an attempt being made to use the arrest as a promotional tool to hype this documentary.
[00:21:04]  The messaging is very ubiquitous that this arrest was a retribution for making this expose documentary, so that leaves me with the question, is this documentary actually dangerous at all?
[00:21:14]  And would anybody arrest someone for making it, knowing that it would only validate everything the filmmaker was saying?
[00:21:19]  Oh, we're gonna talk about the documentary, aren't we?
[00:21:22]  We know that Alex constantly says that the only reason he's not been arrested yet is because the globalists know that if they did, it would only prove him right.
[00:21:29]  That can't be a standard that only applies to Alex himself, right?
[00:21:33]  I mean, obviously the police would know that arresting Millie would prove her right.
[00:21:38]  Which would make Alex talk about it as though he were himself arrested.
[00:21:43]  Undoubtedly.
[00:21:44]  Exactly.
[00:21:44]  I decided to watch this Shadowgate film for myself to see what was up, and it was easy enough to find on YouTube.
[00:21:50]  Very easy.
[00:21:51]  Yeah.
[00:21:52]  And that actually brings up another serious problem.
[00:21:54]  Wait, how can she find it?
[00:21:55]  How is it on YouTube?
[00:21:56]  Exactly.
[00:21:56]  They're banned from YouTube!
[00:21:58]  Wow.
[00:21:59]  I mean, it was another account, but your response does highlight another problem.
[00:22:05]  In the past few months in particular, Alex has been embarking on a crusade, insisting that everything that's speaking the truth gets banned from YouTube.
[00:22:12]  All the doctors who are telling the truth about COVID-19 have their videos removed.
[00:22:16]  People like David Icke who say that there is no virus have their videos removed.
[00:22:20]  Alex has invested a lot of his energy into promoting the idea that censorship is so out of control.
[00:22:25]  And in the process, what he's done is he's actually accidentally made the inverse argument.
[00:22:29]  If it's true that there's an out-of-control censorship campaign going on at YouTube against anything that's true, you've inadvertently said that anything that doesn't get removed is apparently not dangerous or not true.
[00:22:41]  This is a problem because Millie's video is still up on YouTube, as is the channel that posted it, which is run by one of the two main sources that she used to make the film.
[00:22:49]  If the globalists went so far as to arrest Millie for this documentary, doesn't it stand to reason that they would be able to block it from being posted?
[00:22:56]  No, can't do it.
[00:22:57]  Isn't it entirely against their interest to attempt to silence Millie by arresting her and then doing literally nothing to silence the actual thing they were trying to stop from being reported?
[00:23:06]  That does seem a little odd.
[00:23:07]  It's a bit convoluted, which is the problem with treating negative consequences as an indication of virtue.
[00:23:13]  Sometimes you don't get the negative response you're hoping or expecting to get and that accidentally kind of looks like an indication of a lack of virtue when you've normalized the pattern of thinking where consequences equals being right.
[00:23:24]  So I watched this stupid documentary and let me say right off the bat that it is very stupid and no one would arrest anyone for making it.
[00:23:29]  I'm not sure I mentioned this, Jordan, but it's exceedingly stupid.
[00:23:33]  Yeah, I believe you.
[00:23:34]  It doesn't prove anything.
[00:23:35]  I was not worried about that.
[00:23:37]  There are two talking heads in this film and neither of them produce any solid evidence of anything.
[00:23:42]  Every single salacious thing that's in the film is just them saying that they know something, then not proving it.
[00:23:47]  Then that's accepted as solid truth.
[00:23:49]  Is one of those guys Guy with Telescope from Carrie Cassidy's?
[00:23:52]  This guy might have a telescope.
[00:23:54]  He's not the same guy.
[00:23:56]  He's not the same guy?
[00:23:56]  I can tell you for sure that he does have a motorcycle.
[00:24:00]  Oh, no.
[00:24:01]  So this isn't good work.
[00:24:03]  And it becomes even worse work when you start to ask yourself, who are these people?
[00:24:07]  And whether or not they should be viewed as experts.
[00:24:09]  Now, Jordan, I'm sorry about this, but we're about to go over Millie Weaver's new documentary Shadowgate.
[00:24:14]  And we're going to discuss some of the fundamental problems of it.
[00:24:17]  And in the process, we're going to get into a bit of why I don't believe that anyone would arrest anyone for making such an impressively stupid documentary.
[00:24:25]  This thing sucks.
[00:24:27]  It's really bad.
[00:24:28]  And like I said, without the spiritual energy that comes to me from our wonderful supporters, at about 3 o 'clock in the morning last night, I probably would have been like, I hate everything.
[00:24:39]  I would have thrown my cucumbers out the window and just like, no!
[00:24:43]  Nothing beautiful can live!
[00:24:45]  Okay, maybe Shadowgate is like the ring, you know, where after a week you're going to jump off your balcony.
[00:24:51]  I don't think so.
[00:24:52]  Okay.
[00:24:52]  I think I went through the swamp.
[00:24:56]  Sure.
[00:24:57]  Ironically, because there's a lot of swamp talking.
[00:24:59]  Of course there's swamp talking.
[00:25:00]  I was trying to think of, you know, the only thing I could think of was like from the Phantom Tollbooth.
[00:25:04]  I went through the doldrums.
[00:25:05]  Oh, okay.
[00:25:06]  Or whatever, and I kept moving.
[00:25:07]  And that's what allowed me to get through it.
[00:25:09]  I had some dark times in the last 48 hours of trying to get this to be like an episode.
[00:25:16]  Because there's just like, you listen to like 30 seconds of this stuff and it's like...
[00:25:22]  There's so many things to look into and none of this is real.
[00:25:25]  Half an hour into the documentary and looking into things, you get burnt out.
[00:25:30]  You just be like, I know you're lying, I don't care.
[00:25:33]  Yeah, I was gonna say.
[00:25:35]  That's the doldrums that I had to keep my legs moving or else I would have fallen into the pit.
[00:25:41]  Right.
[00:25:41]  You don't need to prove that she's full of shit.
[00:25:44]  But in order for this to work, you have to prove she's full of shit.
[00:25:48]  That's very frustrating.
[00:25:49]  And I'll be honest, I think that there were at least a couple of points where I punted.
[00:25:53]  Not because I couldn't have gotten into the things that were being said, but because this is an hour and 22 minute documentary.
[00:25:59]  Get the fuck up.
[00:25:59]  And quite frankly, it could have been just about everything I could have said.
[00:26:04]  Prove it.
[00:26:04]  Or something.
[00:26:06]  That would get very annoying.
[00:26:08]  Give me a reason that you think these things.
[00:26:10]  Yeah, and at a certain point...
[00:26:11]  We have to do a show, too.
[00:26:13]  So, it's like, that wouldn't serve anyone's interest.
[00:26:17]  Tried to find the things that lay out the argument that's being made in the film, and then glaring points of things she says wrong.
[00:26:27]  Oh, no.
[00:26:28]  So, here we go.
[00:26:29]  We're going to start off where Millie Weaver, and again, I told you, Jordan, I'm sorry.
[00:26:34]  You're going to have a really tough time with this.
[00:26:36]  Okay.
[00:26:36]  Please try not to scream about everything, because I know it would almost all be justified.
[00:26:43]  Anyway, here's the beginning.
[00:26:45]  What if I were to tell you that a small group of government contractors were hired by government officials to frame the Trump campaign?
[00:26:55]  Shut up.
[00:26:56]  set him up for the Russia collusion investigation, provided witnesses for the impeachment hearings, and provided administrative support services to the Department of Justice during the Mueller investigation.
[00:27:11]  And what if it just so happened that this same group of contractors are behind the fake news in mainstream media?
[00:27:20]  Influence operations on social media?
[00:27:22]  And the civil unrest nationwide pushing the defund the police movement.
[00:27:29]  The Obamagate scandal only scratches the surface.
[00:27:33]  So, in this introduction, Millie lays out the things that she intends to demonstrate in this film.
[00:27:38]  Uh-huh.
[00:27:39]  Either that, or she's actually just curious what you'd say if she told you those things.
[00:27:43]  I would be, I think I would say something along the lines of like, blah.

=== FOIA Fictions (07:56) ===

[00:27:48]  Ah!
[00:27:50]  Ah, sure.
[00:27:51]  And then leave.
[00:27:52]  Hey, I gotta go.
[00:27:54]  Ah!
[00:27:55]  Ooh!
[00:27:55]  Have you considered...
[00:27:57]  What's the time?
[00:27:58]  Smoke bomb!
[00:27:59]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:28:00]  So, keep track of these things, because they're the rubric by which we are forced to judge this film, because it's what she set out.
[00:28:06]  One, a small group of government contractors were hired by people in the government to frame the Trump campaign.
[00:28:11]  Okay.
[00:28:12]  Two, the Russian investigation was a setup carried out by these same contractors.
[00:28:17]  Three, these same contractors provided witnesses for the impeachment hearings.
[00:28:21]  Four, these same contractors provided administrative service for the Department of Justice during the Mueller investigation.
[00:28:27]  Well, they were working the phone bank, you know, making calls on Hillary's behalf.
[00:28:31]  That's kind of administrative.
[00:28:32]  Sure.
[00:28:33]  Five, these same contractors are creating fake news in mainstream media.
[00:28:38]  And six, the current civil unrest and the defund the police movement are the product of the social media influence campaigns carried out by these same contractors.
[00:28:46]  These are the most effective contractors in the history of the United States.
[00:28:51]  They should get a full-time job.
[00:28:53]  No, totally.
[00:28:54]  Absolutely.
[00:28:55]  These people you don't want to have on contract, they're apparently the best.
[00:28:57]  Give them benefits at least!
[00:29:00]  This is a whole lot for Millie to try and prove in an hour and 20 minutes, and I wish Rambo snatched the best with that, though, because I'm from the future, I already know that she doesn't prove jack shit.
[00:29:09]  Oh, damn it.
[00:29:10]  Oh, that's unfortunate.
[00:29:11]  Spoilers.
[00:29:12]  I think a lot of the stuff that she said, too, could fall under the normal category of investigation.
[00:29:19]  You know, like, oh, they hired investigators to investigate him as opposed to set him up.
[00:29:25]  Or, as we're gonna learn here, maybe there are, like, IT infrastructure companies that have some overlap.
[00:29:35]  Sure.
[00:29:35]  Dun-dun!
[00:29:36]  Sure, sure.
[00:29:38]  So, anyway.
[00:29:40]  Millie gets into this here, and she's talking Shadowgate, my man.
[00:29:46]  We're just never gonna get rid of gate.
[00:29:47]  That's just gonna happen forever.
[00:29:49]  It's just gonna be the thing.
[00:29:50]  I wish we could.
[00:29:52]  It's such a bummer.
[00:29:52]  That should be a political litmus test.
[00:29:54]  That should be a political litmus test.
[00:29:55]  If you ever sincerely call something gate...
[00:29:58]  You need to take a class.
[00:30:00]  Or something.
[00:30:01]  A class about getting rid of gate.
[00:30:04]  We'll call ourselves the No Gate Party.
[00:30:07]  Bill Gates isn't allowed, and also nobody can use Watergate.
[00:30:11]  The No Gates Foundation.
[00:30:13]  And then we'll get some funding from right-wing billionaires.
[00:30:18]  I like it.
[00:30:18]  Who have no idea what we're doing.
[00:30:21]  So anyway, it's Shadowgate, my friend.
[00:30:23]  Bad news.
[00:30:25]  Shadowgate.
[00:30:26]  Both parties are equally guilty of covering up what should turn out to be an even bigger scandal, Shadowgate.
[00:30:35]  the tactical and operational role the shadow government played behind the scenes carrying out the coup against President Trump.
[00:30:45]  We're going to be looking behind the puppets at who the real Puppet Master Street Bullets are.
[00:30:52]  The material presented in this documentary should concern people of all political affiliations.
[00:30:59]  This is about real players, people whose names never come up, but should.
[00:31:05]  Career politicians are definitely part of the Beltway Swamp, even aspects of the Deep State.
[00:31:12]  But they are not the shadow government.
[00:31:15]  The shadow government consists of government contractors, defense, intelligence, security, and so on.
[00:31:22]  Our government mostly consists of front-facing desk jockeys that are compartmentalized in cubicles.
[00:31:30]  They're to cover up for the fact that most of the real work is outsourced to contractors, a.k.a.
[00:31:37]  the military-industrial complex.
[00:31:40]  That way, what the public sees through FOIA requests, investigations, congressional hearings, or otherwise, is as clean as a whistleblower.
[00:31:50]  Is it?
[00:31:53]  This is such a bunch of nonsense.
[00:31:59]  Why would you put in a FOIA request if it wasn't shady shit?
[00:32:04]  Right off the bat, this is such bullshit.
[00:32:06]  But it's an important way for Millie to start off the film because it essentially provides cover for why she can't prove any of the things she's about to say.
[00:32:13]  It's impossible to prove that any of this ever happens or did happen because it was a secret group of contractors who did that so the government could keep their hands clean.
[00:32:21]  This is critical for Millie because it's dumb.
[00:32:24]  But it sounds just sensible enough for anyone who's passively watching this documentary to accept.
[00:32:29]  And it'll be enough to quiet that part of their brain that's asking...
[00:32:32]  Hey, why isn't there any proof?
[00:32:34]  You should be able to prove this.
[00:32:36]  I mean, here's what I would say.
[00:32:39]  If you were a journalist, you would put in a FOIA request anyway.
[00:32:43]  Oh, I did search the FOIA archive.
[00:32:46]  Never once has anyone named Millie Weaver...
[00:32:49]  Or Millicent Weaver, which is her full name.
[00:32:52]  No one by those names have filed a FOIA request.
[00:32:56]  There are no FOIA requests on file where the organization name is InfoWars.
[00:33:00]  Sure, sure.
[00:33:01]  So, I don't know.
[00:33:02]  Maybe they're not familiar with the system.
[00:33:03]  I like a preemptive justification for not doing your job.
[00:33:06]  I couldn't...
[00:33:07]  Even if I wanted to, so why would I?
[00:33:09]  Right.
[00:33:11]  If you aren't a gullible idiot, and you even take two minutes to look into how Freedom of Information Act works, you'll learn that contractors are subject to FOIA requests, just like regular government employees.
[00:33:21]  A contractor sounds like a vague, scary thing, but in reality, all it is is a company or individual who does work for a government entity on a contract basis.
[00:33:30]  If you're a construction company and the government needs a building erected, you can bid for a contract, and if you're selected, congratulations, you're now a government contractor.
[00:33:38]  Did they bid to frame Trump?
[00:33:42]  Did they hit the lowest bid?
[00:33:45]  Well, I think it was a single bid situation, but we'll get to all this later.
[00:33:50]  Foyer requests can be made about recipients of government contracts as well as government grants, but there are some exceptions to the information that can be released.
[00:33:59]  These are exceptions that include and involve protecting individual privacy, information that would be illegal to release, and very often trade secrets, because these are companies that are doing contracted work.
[00:34:11]  There's those business things.
[00:34:14]  Also, there's an entire exemption related to government withholding any information about, quote, geographical information on wells, which I think is probably good.
[00:34:23]  Yeah.
[00:34:23]  If you go to FOIAonline.gov, you'll be able to find all sorts of information about various government contractors, often even digital copies of contracts and agreements.
[00:34:33]  Sorting through all that stuff is really time-intensive and hard, though, so it's easier for Millie to just make up that contractors aren't covered by FOIA rules and use that as a bullshit excuse for why she can't substantiate any of the nonsense she's gonna say.
[00:34:45]  Oh, that's frustrating.
[00:34:46]  Also, you might notice that Millie is phrasing things in ways that don't actually mean anything.
[00:34:50]  How does she expect to quantify that most of the work in government is done by contractors?
[00:34:55]  Uh, it's about 60%.
[00:34:56]  That's something that's explicitly unfalsifiable, because it's something that can't be measured.
[00:35:02]  Expect more of that.
[00:35:06]  Expect a ton of stuff that's just like...
[00:35:08]  I mean, when you get caught with numbers, then you get into trouble.
[00:35:12]  So just give a vague, like, most.
[00:35:15]  Some.
[00:35:16]  Also, there's a couple of points in the course of this documentary that I smelled real distrust in her own experts.

=== Tory and Patrick Berge (02:58) ===

[00:35:25]  You can tell there's almost like, I don't know if I want to double down on what you're saying, even though I'm going to put you in my documentary.
[00:35:31]  It's very weird.
[00:35:32]  I don't...
[00:35:32]  I don't know.
[00:35:34]  Anyway, there's a couple of whistleblowers.
[00:35:36]  Two experts.
[00:35:37]  Sure.
[00:35:37]  That are the backbone of this whole thing.
[00:35:40]  Okay.
[00:35:41]  Man, oh man.
[00:35:42]  Both of them.
[00:35:43]  Real weirdos.
[00:35:44]  Dynamite.
[00:35:44]  Real weirdos.
[00:35:45]  Dynamite.
[00:35:46]  Two whistleblowers.
[00:35:47]  Tory and Patrick Berge, who both worked extensively within the shadow government as contractors, have come forward with revelations that may be part of the biggest whistleblowing event to date.
[00:36:01]  It's not.
[00:36:02]  You might think that what she's saying is Tory and Patrick Berge like they're a married couple.
[00:36:08]  Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
[00:36:09]  They're not.
[00:36:09]  Patrick Berge is one guy.
[00:36:10]  And Tory is another person.
[00:36:12]  That's an alias, but...
[00:36:13]  It's very easy to find out who she is.
[00:36:15]  I don't know why they're using some sort of a weird single...
[00:36:20]  She has a fucking radio show online.
[00:36:22]  She has an interview show where she interviewed Roger Stone.
[00:36:28]  She's some kind of unknown entity.
[00:36:31]  She's not in no light with a vocal modifier.
[00:36:34]  No, she's on camera in this documentary.
[00:36:38]  It's very dope.
[00:36:39]  Anyway, I waited a while.
[00:36:43]  I didn't want to get into both of them immediately.
[00:36:47]  So Patrick is the first to start discussing his...
[00:36:51]  His situation.
[00:36:53]  His credentials as well?
[00:36:54]  Sure.
[00:36:55]  So we're going to get into him first and then we'll meet Tori a little bit later.
[00:37:00]  So here's Patrick talking about his involvement in ShadowNet and how he implies in this clip that the whole coronavirus and COVID-19 is all an internet simulated activity.
[00:37:17]  You understand enough about someone and you can Hack their shadow, right?
[00:37:23]  You can use their fears.
[00:37:27]  You can use their anxieties.
[00:37:31]  Sound anything like pandemics that you recognize here?
[00:37:35]  Oh yeah, definitely.
[00:37:36]  So you can use those things to help reflexively control or influence a target, an individual or whoever it is, right?
[00:37:45]  Or a group of people.
[00:37:46]  Or an entire election, an entire country.
[00:37:48]  So, this is the main talking head of the documentary, you might say.
[00:37:52]  I mean, it's debatable.
[00:37:53]  It's kind of like a co-headliner situation.
[00:37:55]  He's a fellow by the name of Patrick Berge.
[00:37:57]  He's randomly and baselessly suggesting that COVID-19 is a mass psyop that I guess is being run all over the world and includes also killing a lot of people.
[00:38:06]  He never defends this implication that he's making because he doesn't have to.

=== Berge's Psychological Warfare (12:07) ===

[00:38:09]  Millie just allows him to say the pandemic isn't real with no follow-up or pushback at all because she is great.
[00:38:15]  I'm a big fan of interviews where it's just like, Does that sound familiar?
[00:38:20]  Moving on.
[00:38:21]  Hey, Pandemic's fake.
[00:38:22]  Is this your card?
[00:38:23]  Is this it?
[00:38:24]  For years now, Bergy's been getting out there and trying to tell people about how in his time as a military or government contractor, he worked with the Department of Defense to create a form of social media psychological warfare called IIA, or Interactive Internet Activities.
[00:38:42]  This was apparently in 2008, and for some context, Facebook didn't introduce the like button until February 2009.
[00:38:48]  So that was when social media was at that stage.
[00:38:51]  Right.
[00:38:52]  In 2017, Berge released a memoir, quote, Victim of the Swamp, How the Deep State Destroyed the 40-Year-Old Private.
[00:39:00]  Ah!
[00:39:05]  He's a victim.
[00:39:06]  He's a victim.
[00:39:07]  I got it.
[00:39:08]  I got it.
[00:39:08]  The title is a reference to how Bergie had enlisted in the armed service at age 39 back in 2005.
[00:39:14]  Good for him, I guess.
[00:39:16]  Yeah, why not?
[00:39:16]  An article in the Tampa Bay Times covers his story, but it's not so much a human interest.
[00:39:21]  Isn't this interesting type of story, as you might think?
[00:39:23]  The headline is, quote, bound for boot camp, he's booted from his job.
[00:39:29]  Now that's a headline right there.
[00:39:31]  Apparently, Berge had been employed as a computer network administrator for the Florida Heart and Vascular Associates Cardiology Clinic.
[00:39:38]  Berge claims that he was fired for, quote, putting country before company, but the story doesn't seem so cut and dry.
[00:39:44]  His boss, Dr. Klein, himself an Air Force veteran, quote, said Berge stopped showing up for work shortly after he told Klein on October 3rd of his plan to join the military.
[00:39:54]  He declined to comment further on Berge's employment status or work history.
[00:39:58]  Fair.
[00:39:59]  As part of the 1994 Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act, you cannot discriminate against an employee for enlisting, and you're required to rehire returning enlisted persons after their active duty is over, so that would have been a problem.
[00:40:12]  However, according to this Times article, quote, In an October 18th letter Klein sent to Berge, the doctor lauded him for his desire to serve his country and said he intended to comply with federal labor laws.
[00:40:25]  But Klein also said that Berge had been, quote, repeatedly insubordinate, that he had rung up a $340 charge in unauthorized charges on the company's phone, and was unresponsive to reports of computer problems at the clinic.
[00:40:40]  Oh, do you mean his job?
[00:40:42]  That's what it sounds like.
[00:40:43]  Okay.
[00:40:44]  It kind of seems like there is some documentation here that maybe his boss...
[00:40:48]  An Air Force veteran wasn't retaliating against Berge for enlisting as much as he was dealing with a shitty employee who coincidentally was also deciding to enlist.
[00:40:56]  Air Force and Army have had a rivalry forever.
[00:40:59]  This dude is sabotaging Army because he's worried that this 39-year-old private is going to become the star quarterback, I assume.
[00:41:07]  He's got a cannon for an arm.
[00:41:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:41:08]  So this was a strange decision on Berge's part.
[00:41:12]  This was 2005, which was not the beginning of the Iraq War.
[00:41:17]  You can kind of understand people getting swept up in the post-9-11 militaristic patriotism that was everywhere.
[00:41:23]  Maybe enlisting at that point, like at the beginning of 2002.
[00:41:26]  I guess.
[00:41:27]  Even in 2003, when the Iraq invasion was beginning, the thought process of feeling like you had a duty to country, to do your part, kind of makes some sense.
[00:41:35]  I disagree with you.
[00:41:35]  Sure.
[00:41:36]  But you can understand where someone's coming from.
[00:41:37]  And the massive propaganda campaign around it, you know?
[00:41:40]  Yeah.
[00:41:41]  This was 2005.
[00:41:44]  Yeah, how's he doing?
[00:41:45]  Late 2005, no less.
[00:41:47]  Saddam Hussein was captured on December 13, 2003, and the public support for the war had decreased quite a bit by late 2005.
[00:41:55]  So the idea that someone felt so compelled to enlist as a 39-year-old civilian with a Hmm.
[00:42:10]  served by the continuation of that war.
[00:42:12]  But I guess if that's the sort of person that he wants to present himself as, kind Country over everything.
[00:42:18]  And also, I really didn't like my wife and kids.
[00:42:20]  So that's, I mean, country first.
[00:42:23]  Hating my wife and kids second.
[00:42:24]  Didn't like that cardiology clinic that much.
[00:42:27]  So I wanted to understand this stuff as best as I could.
[00:42:30]  So I watched another interview that Bergy did on a show called Crowdsource the Truth.
[00:42:35]  Some of the other folks who are treated like serious people on that show include Laura Loomer, Larry Nichols, and another of Alex's favorite fake whistleblowers, Dennis Montgomery.
[00:42:44]  That show is very bad and very boring.
[00:42:46]  That sounds great.
[00:42:47]  I listened to the interview with Bergie, though, and he did actually say that 9-11 inspired his enlistment, which is wild, considering the time in between.
[00:42:54]  The host of that show, Jason Goodman, tries to play up Bergie's enlistment, and he says this, which actually made me laugh quite a bit.
[00:43:02]  So it's an interesting circumstance, Patrick, because obviously at 40, you've got a lot more life experience, you've got a much more...
[00:43:10]  Mature brain and thought process.
[00:43:13]  And as you're saying, your physical training, your physical capabilities at 40 might not match that of an 18- or a 20-year-old getting enlisted.
[00:43:22]  But you've got much more sophisticated thought process and experience, which is valuable to the Army.
[00:43:28]  But at the same time, if someone gets in there at the age of 18, there's a psychological indoctrination that goes on in the military that's necessary to cause someone to take orders and have that be there.
[00:43:40]  their sort of mental instinct rather than thinking for themselves, is this right, is this something that should be done.
[00:43:46]  Would you say that's fair to say?
[00:43:49]  Well, my ex-wives would probably disagree with you on some of that, but yeah, that's a safe...
[00:43:54]  I hear you on that for sure.
[00:43:58]  Ah, yes.
[00:43:59]  Such a free thinker.
[00:44:01]  I can't.
[00:44:02]  Such a mature mind.
[00:44:03]  Decide to join the military at the age of 40 when they had a job and multiple children to care for and the country was engaged in an illegal war that no one really had any excuse to think wasn't based on lies by 2005.
[00:44:14]  What a pillar of rationality and good judgment.
[00:44:17]  I want to bring back water balloons that you fill with urine for this guy.
[00:44:23]  I don't know if those ever went away.
[00:44:24]  I think we just grew up.
[00:44:25]  I think kids might still terrorize each other with those.
[00:44:29]  So, also, that joke there at the end hit my ears weird.
[00:44:32]  Bergie's saying that some of his ex-wives wouldn't say that he has a sophisticated thought process, and what a great joke that is.
[00:44:38]  See, it's funny, because his ex-wives seem right.
[00:44:41]  Yes.
[00:44:41]  And you also heard that right.
[00:44:42]  Ex-wives.
[00:44:43]  Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.
[00:44:45]  Generally, I have very little interest in the people we talk about's private life, but I can't not tell you this.
[00:44:51]  Okay.
[00:44:51]  On the Amazon page for his book, in the About the Author section...
[00:44:55]  Get the fuck out.
[00:44:55]  This is how his bio ends.
[00:44:57]  Quote, he was divorced in 2010 following several years of deployments overseas and his personal struggle with combat-related PTSD.
[00:45:04]  He acknowledges things in his life got a little crazy after the divorce from his first wife.
[00:45:09]  Was married briefly to his Russian wife, Zana, shortly after that, and remained separated from his third wife from Thailand, Kwanchanak.
[00:45:18]  Now going on two years.
[00:45:20]  Uh, okay.
[00:45:21]  He now has a dog!
[00:45:22]  Exclamation point.
[00:45:27]  Alright, that's a better joke than the whole how about my ex-wives thing.
[00:45:31]  This will ultimately end up raising a few questions for me about Bergie's timeline, and also makes me really sad.
[00:45:36]  I do wonder how things, quote, got a little crazy, though, and how that squares with his alleged simultaneous employment in top-secret projects.
[00:45:43]  Well.
[00:45:43]  But who knows?
[00:45:45]  It's up in the air.
[00:45:47]  Interestingly, just before deciding to enlist, Patrick Berge had tried to enter the world of politics.
[00:45:52]  In the 2004 election, he ran for the office of Pasco County Supervisor of Elections in Florida.
[00:45:58]  An article about his campaign from the Tampa Bay Times comes off very strange.
[00:46:03]  Berge seemed mad that his opponent, the sitting election supervisor Kurt Browning, was getting free press by doing his job and appearing at public meetings about the upcoming elections that air on C-SPAN.
[00:46:13]  Sure.
[00:46:14]  Berge saw Browning's appearances to discuss elections as a form of campaigning and was trying to demand equal time on those platforms for his campaign.
[00:46:22]  That's a swing.
[00:46:22]  I like it.
[00:46:23]  It's a weird angle, but it seems also downright kixotic when you consider that from the jump he was running a doomed campaign.
[00:46:31]  From this Times article, one of Berge's first acts upon getting into the race was the political equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot.
[00:46:38]  He decided to run without any party affiliation.
[00:46:41]  Berge didn't want anyone even considering that the would-be election supervisor might favor one party over the other.
[00:46:47]  He wanted to seize the moral high ground because he intended to slam Browning for his very public switch to the Republican Party in 2002.
[00:46:55]  In the eyes of many political observers, Berge's decision was both commendable and politically suicidal.
[00:47:01]  He effectively shut the door on any hope for organized support.
[00:47:05]  Though he obviously had, you know, a political identity, and now is almost universally pictured wearing bikers for Trump vests, Berge went out of his way to self-defeating extremes in order to appear hyper-neutral.
[00:47:19]  Because he felt that was a potent propaganda tool that he could use against his opponent.
[00:47:23]  I assume he spent a lot of time and money building up a grassroots organization because he can't rely on the party machine.
[00:47:29]  Nope.
[00:47:29]  So, in order to win, he would need a really good campaign manager.
[00:47:33]  From the article I read, his campaign, all the money for it came from loans from himself and a check from family members.
[00:47:40]  Okay.
[00:47:40]  How much?
[00:47:41]  Three grand.
[00:47:42]  Ooh, that's not enough to win.
[00:47:44]  Nope.
[00:47:44]  Berge's campaign did not catch on, and was almost entirely based around trying to erode trust in things, like the voting machines that the county used and the incumbent supervisor, Kurt Browning.
[00:47:54]  From this article, which is overly fair to Berge...
[00:47:57]  It does not appear that he has any good reason to suggest that he would be a good person for the job of election supervisor.
[00:48:03]  The campaign seems entirely about vague, undefined distrust in the opposition.
[00:48:08]  The election was held on November 2nd, 2004, and Berge ended up with 17.25% of the vote, which is honestly a really good job.
[00:48:16]  That's really good!
[00:48:19]  That's surprisingly good.
[00:48:21]  Yeah, particularly for someone we talk about on this show.
[00:48:23]  Yeah, that's great.
[00:48:24]  Usually the folks we cover who run for office don't even make it to voting.
[00:48:28]  .03% is a good...
[00:48:29]  That's you.
[00:48:30]  Unfortunately, this wasn't the end of the election for Bergie.
[00:48:33]  On June 9, 2005, the Florida Elections Commission filed a default final order requiring Bergie to pay an assessed fine from his campaign that he had neglected to pay.
[00:48:43]  According to findings of fact in the order, the Respondent's campaign treasurer's report was not filed with the filing officer on the designated due date.
[00:48:51]  On April 18, 2005, he was sent a notice that he needed to pay $202.50 or appeal the decision within 20 days, and he didn't either.
[00:48:59]  The commission gave him 30 days to pay his fine.
[00:49:03]  A little while after this, he decided to join the military, but who knows if that's connected to any of this at all.
[00:49:07]  I think it would be very funny if you joined the military to avoid a $200 fine.
[00:49:14]  Screw you, sucker!
[00:49:15]  I mean, he does clearly expend a lot of effort to not pay this fine.
[00:49:19]  By December 1st, 2006, I can find evidence that he had not paid this fine.
[00:49:24]  Apparently, by this point, he and the commission had discussed the matter and agreed to a settlement where Berge agreed to pay a fine of $125 and pay his own attorney fees.
[00:49:33]  You kind of get the sense from reading this that the commission had a position of like, okay, fine, whatever.
[00:49:38]  Whatever.
[00:49:39]  I don't know if they want to expend that much time and effort on $200.
[00:49:46]  Right.
[00:49:47]  I'm just saying.
[00:49:47]  He might.
[00:49:48]  It seems like the attorney's fees would be more than $200.
[00:49:51]  He might have been pro-bump.
[00:49:53]  He might have been pro-say.
[00:49:55]  Anytime I enter one of these investigations, I try my best to keep an open mind, particularly about the people and subjects I don't know much about going in.

=== Shadownet Practices (15:19) ===

[00:50:02]  So my tone might be a little bit much now, but as I started this, I was trying to be incredibly fair, but this right here is the point where I started to get the sense that Bergy was an asshole.
[00:50:13]  Oh, he's an asshole.
[00:50:14]  This is about where I was like, and granted...
[00:50:16]  I will say it's still pretty early in the documentary, but I came in with the open mind.
[00:50:22]  Sure, sure.
[00:50:23]  So he wrote this book, which is all about how the deep state destroyed this noble 40-year-old private.
[00:50:28]  I'm not going to read this book, mostly because it's not available in PDF form and there's no way I'm ordering a paperback.
[00:50:34]  I'm sure it's a gripping tale about how the deep state forced him to pay a fine for not filling his treasurer's report out, but I'm going to pass.
[00:50:40]  The hinge of what Patrick Berge alleges is going on in the world is the term interactive internet activities.
[00:50:47]  This is a term that can definitely go a number of directions, depending on how you interpret it.
[00:50:51]  According to Berge and his documentary, the way you're supposed to understand these words is that there are activities in the world which are prompted by things that the DOD interacts with on the internet.
[00:51:01]  So, like, it's just like a thing.
[00:51:03]  Mm-hmm.
[00:51:03]  Okay.
[00:51:04]  That is to say, through meddling with the internet and social media, the government is able to prompt civilians into engaging in the activities they desire them to engage in.
[00:51:12]  So there's elaborate, hyper-specific data mining that they do, and then everything that happens in the world is due to their influence campaigns.
[00:51:21]  They're interacting with internet activity.
[00:51:24]  Well, I mean, we have Cambridge Analytica, so we know that that is true.
[00:51:27]  We'll get to them later.
[00:51:29]  The term interactive internet activities is one that is used in Department of Defense documents.
[00:51:35]  One of them, a memorandum for Secretaries of Military Departments from June 8, 2007, is presented by Berge on his website as a way of solidifying his claims.
[00:51:44]  I traced down this memo, and it's interesting to see the context it's used here.
[00:51:48]  Quote, So
[00:52:18]  they're just describing communication between two people.
[00:52:24]  They're describing a conversation.
[00:52:26]  Right.
[00:52:26]  Being taken...
[00:52:28]  Online.
[00:52:28]  Being done by people from the Department of Defense.
[00:52:31]  Yes.
[00:52:32]  Gotcha.
[00:52:33]  That's one of the large things that this seems to be about, like the rise of how people are communicating differently online, you know, and how many new media organizations are not, quote, established news organizations.
[00:52:44]  This memo recognizes that, quote, some individuals and websites not affiliated with established news organizations have become recognized news sources for large audiences, giving them stature equivalent to an established news organization.
[00:52:56]  Only public affairs organizations may engage with such designated individuals and websites.
[00:53:01]  I don't see anything too strange about that so far.
[00:53:04]  Hey, we've got our own PR people to respond to emails in real time.
[00:53:09]  Done.
[00:53:10]  The other thing that this seems to be about is recruitment.
[00:53:13]  Quote, military departments' interactive internet activities will be for the purpose of addressing manpower issues within or organizing, training, and equipping their departments.
[00:53:22]  This makes sense, that they would lay out policies for best practices about using the new form of mass communication in terms of enlistment.
[00:53:29]  Yeah, you go online, you play some video games on Twitch, and people call you a war criminal.
[00:53:34]  You know, good internet interactive activities.
[00:53:37]  None of that was imaginable back in 2008, 2007.
[00:53:41]  So there's one section here that I thought was really strange, and it's about intellectual property.
[00:53:45]  Quote, Messages and materials protected by law, such as graphics, video, and illustrations used in any interactive internet activity, will comply with relevant intellectual property laws, policies, and guidance.
[00:53:58]  So based on what Patrick is saying and will go on to say, I'm supposed to believe that this IIA program involves an insidious plan to overthrow the government and foment riots and create a fake pandemic, but they also specifically will not risk violating copyrights?
[00:54:14]  Which seems a little bit weird and kind of hard to accept.
[00:54:16]  Look, there are laws above the law, Dan.
[00:54:18]  There are things that are immutable.
[00:54:20]  You can play around in the gray area, but you fuck around with copyright and you're in trouble.
[00:54:23]  You're in trouble.
[00:54:24]  I've had my internet shut off for torrenting.
[00:54:26]  I read some commentaries on this memo, including one published on army.mil back in September 2009.
[00:54:32]  Then they do point out that this view of public relations work under the DOD has the potential to blur the line between public relations and psyops.
[00:54:40]  Beyond that, it seems like the DOD might be, in this sense, taking on a responsibility that's traditionally been associated with the State Department in terms of engaging in public diplomacy.
[00:54:50]  There are these concerns, but there are also pretty strong caveats that are important to keep in mind when we look at the claims in this film as we go along, particularly about...
[00:55:00]  Like, this document is one of the only things that he has to go on.
[00:55:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:55:04]  The first caveat is this is not applicable to the United States.
[00:55:08]  The scope of the policy clearly says that it's for quote selected foreign entities.
[00:55:12]  The second is that they specifically say that quote interactive internet activities within the scope of this policy will be accurate and true in fact and intent.
[00:55:21]  Your trust in that may vary, but if you're pointing to this document as proof of something, you also need to accept that they specifically say in the document they cannot lie or mislead.
[00:55:30]  There are other places where you can lie and mislead.
[00:55:33]  This one happens to be one where you are not supposed to.
[00:55:36]  There's also a section about attribution.
[00:55:39]  I have to attribute that...
[00:55:43]  Sure, sure.
[00:55:54]  communications that are able to be non attributed but specifically this is only as authorized by the secretary of state or uh in a named operation in the war on terror sure My feeling about that is, well, just...
[00:56:10]  No, no, no, no.
[00:56:12]  Can't do it.
[00:56:12]  Gotta fight the war on terror forever, Dan.
[00:56:15]  I don't believe that those caveats are able to encompass what Patrick Berge is going to present or what he discusses.
[00:56:23]  Kind of doubtful.
[00:56:24]  It appears to me that this is a document that's about public affairs personnel within the DOD putting onto paper best practices about engaging in internet-related activities that involve countering terrorist organization propaganda overseas.
[00:56:36]  I'm not saying that it's a great thing.
[00:56:38]  I'm not saying that I'm in favor of it.
[00:56:40]  I am in favor of ending our wars.
[00:56:43]  But it's important to recognize how different this is from what is being presented in the film.
[00:56:47]  When they talk about IIA, one of the only things that they have to fall back on is this document.
[00:56:52]  And everything will become central to interactive internet activities.
[00:56:57]  IIA.
[00:56:58]  Yeah, to be clear, I like none of the people that we are dealing with, including the DOD.
[00:57:03]  No.
[00:57:03]  Like, everybody in this documentary, I assume, can probably go fuck themselves.
[00:57:08]  You bet.
[00:57:09]  Okay.
[00:57:10]  So, we get to Millie.
[00:57:13]  She's talking about this technology.
[00:57:16]  So, here's the layout.
[00:57:19]  IIA is this interactive internet activity.
[00:57:22]  And it's the method, basically, by which the man, the globalists, are tricking everybody into rioting and protesting for things that aren't important to straight white men.
[00:57:35]  So that's that.
[00:57:37]  Then you've got Patrick Berge.
[00:57:39]  He was a contractor, allegedly, for a company called Dynology, which was run by the Sun.
[00:57:47]  Of James Jones, Obama's former, what was it, National Security Advisor, I believe?
[00:57:53]  I can't remember if it was Homeland Security.
[00:57:55]  Yeah, it was National Security Advisor.
[00:57:57]  His son runs this company called Dynology, and they have government contracts.
[00:58:01]  And so at Dynology, Patrick Berge asserts that he had a hand in creating a platform called ShadowNet.
[00:58:11]  And then also one called I Spy, but it's P-S-Y.
[00:58:15]  Oh, that's very funny.
[00:58:16]  Yeah.
[00:58:16]  Is it funny?
[00:58:17]  No, it's not.
[00:58:18]  So he has created these things back in the past, and now he has not worked there.
[00:58:27]  He's not working there.
[00:58:29]  He doesn't have this technology.
[00:58:30]  They don't provide any proof that it's like a thing.
[00:58:33]  But he suspects...
[00:58:35]  Based on the things that he sees in the world.
[00:58:39]  No, no, no.
[00:58:40]  That's not good.
[00:58:40]  Sound like anything familiar to you, Dan?
[00:58:43]  He sees the unfolding of the George Floyd situation, and he's like, huh, this looks like Shadow Net.
[00:58:51]  And so it's taken as if it's Shadow Net.
[00:58:55]  Here's one thing that I will say, because I always try and find something positive to say about these people.
[00:59:03]  Shadowgate is a better title than Shadownetgate.
[00:59:06]  Yeah, yeah, I'll give you that.
[00:59:08]  I'll give him that.
[00:59:09]  Also, I was a little amused reading over some of Patrick Berge's writings, and so I'll give him some credit for giving me a chuckle.
[00:59:20]  So we get to talking about this Shadownet here in this next part.
[00:59:24]  This technology was so successful.
[00:59:27]  They couldn't resist the temptation to not use it commercially and have the power to affect outcomes of elections at home.
[00:59:35]  The commercial and black market value of such a technology is incalculable.
[00:59:42]  This is the mobile mega Shatternet mobile.
[00:59:47]  So they show him at his motorcycle.
[00:59:50]  Is he like the Oscar Mayer hot tub?
[00:59:52]  I wish.
[00:59:52]  It's a motorcycle with a sidecar that has a bunch of wires in it.
[00:59:56]  I have no idea what he's doing.
[00:59:57]  Okay.
[00:59:58]  Love it.
[00:59:58]  So essentially what's being suggested by this documentary is that this guy, Patrick Berge, invented some sort of technology or program or algorithm or something which can take all sorts of micro-targeted information about people and then make them do things.
[01:00:10]  If the discussion here is about the creepy ability of social media advertisers to target people with messaging, sure, that's a worthwhile conversation.
[01:00:17]  But it becomes an issue when it's all just this vague nonsense flying around.
[01:00:21]  I wanted some more information than this documentary was providing, so I checked out Bergy's website, titled Victim of the Swamp.
[01:00:28]  Very consistent in his branding, this guy.
[01:00:31]  He had a post on there that was meant to lay out the relevant issues in his story, and apparently, according to him, here's how it goes.
[01:00:40]  He was working for a company called Dynology, which is apparently working on a social media psychological warfare weapon under a government contract.
[01:00:48]  However...
[01:00:48]  Somehow, when the contract lapped, Dynology retained the intellectual property rights to the tech they developed, so now they were going to start marketing the psych warfare weapon to the highest bidder with the name ShadowNet.
[01:00:59]  So we're in a serious, like, Mission Impossible scenario where a private corporation...
[01:01:05]  It certainly feels that way.
[01:01:06]  That is probably not how it would work.
[01:01:09]  I have some feelings of...
[01:01:12]  Well, the contract with our government is over, so let's sell it to the most evil.
[01:01:16]  The Shah of Iran from the 80s.
[01:01:19]  I will say that it felt a lot like my eyes were rolling.
[01:01:25]  Uncontrollably.
[01:01:27]  It's pretty hard to find information about ShadowNet that doesn't come directly from Patrick Berge, so it's a bit of a shrug from me.
[01:01:34]  He posted screenshots from Dynology's website, or what's supposed to be Dynology's website, but there's no link to this, so I just have to kind of take his word for it that it's a real screenshot?
[01:01:43]  Sure.
[01:01:43]  But even if I allow that, the screenshot is far from damning.
[01:01:46]  It appears that the service that Dynology was selling, under the name ShadowNet, was a service that allowed people in the Department of Defense to safely use the internet from secure computers.
[01:01:56]  From the screenshot, quote, Many DoD elements lack the proper tools to safely engage via the internet as the NipperNet, the Non-Classified Internet Protocol Router Network, that typically blocks access to social networking sites, chat sites, and other sites deemed high-risk from an information assurance perspective.
[01:02:15]  Dynology's customized security solution, ShadowNet, protects organizational assets and resources while working online.
[01:02:22]  Our solution leverages virtualization technology from leading providers like VMware and Citrix to safely separate internal corporate networks from the dangers of the internet, providing a safe sandbox from which you can conduct your internet activity.
[01:02:37]  Alright.
[01:02:38]  So it's just a Chinese firewall kind of idea.
[01:02:41]  The platform allows for potential breaches that could happen to be contained.
[01:02:47]  Yeah.
[01:02:48]  Quote, if a desktop is compromised, potential damage will be isolated away from your internal assets and contained.
[01:02:54]  It also allows them to obscure their real IP address, given that would probably be bad for the DoD network's IP address.
[01:03:00]  You want to know where they are at all times?
[01:03:02]  This is based on what Patrick Berge is presenting as proof of something nefarious, and all I see is a perfectly normal sounding network security system.
[01:03:10]  With a name that's like catnip to conspiracy theories.
[01:03:13]  Yeah, we gotta deal with people in bad names.
[01:03:16]  Agenda 21, we gotta deal with these bad names, guys.
[01:03:20]  The other technology that Dynology sells that Bergy brings up here is called iSpy.
[01:03:27]  This is a platform that allows clients to record and track their online interactions.
[01:03:31]  It appears that this is related to recording things that an individual does.
[01:03:36]  If I'm online, then it records all the interactions that I have and puts them into a searchable database.
[01:03:42]  But from the information provided, it doesn't seem like it's the kind of thing where you could record this and extend it outside the interactions of your online self.
[01:03:51]  You would essentially, based on what you're telling me and what he's telling me, he is saying that...
[01:03:58]  Every computer in everywhere is infected with this thing.
[01:04:04]  More or less.
[01:04:04]  A shadow net.
[01:04:05]  Creating a shadow net that is functionally useless.
[01:04:09]  The internet.
[01:04:10]  Yeah.
[01:04:11]  So, look.
[01:04:12]  Essentially, what it looks like to me, and from everything I can tell, this is a platform where you can create...
[01:04:24]  Perhaps a fake persona, and you can interact with something online, and then it will record your interactions for the sake of continuity.
[01:04:37]  So if someone else takes over some sort of surveillance that's going on of, let's say, a dangerous group that has an internet presence, you're able to use ShadowNet.
[01:04:51]  To secure the DoD computers from any possible hack.
[01:04:55]  And then iSpy allows you to record all of the interactions so in case, I don't know, let's say you get sick, someone else can take over and see what has been done in terms of communications.

=== Super Switch Risks (15:35) ===

[01:05:08]  Which, I mean, it's creepy.
[01:05:09]  It's creepy technology, but at the same time, I don't see how it rises above the level of something that makes sense from a law enforcement perspective that doesn't necessarily prove...
[01:05:22]  The evil ShadowNet claims that are being made.
[01:05:25]  It kind of, based on what you're describing, is just an automatic version of screenshots.
[01:05:31]  If you just took a screenshot of every interaction you had and put it in an email to somebody...
[01:05:38]  That would be basically the same thing.
[01:05:40]  But I don't know what it looks like or functionally how it goes because all there is is this screenshot of the description of it from Dynology's alleged website.
[01:05:50]  Sure.
[01:05:50]  And that's the description that they have.
[01:05:51]  It sounds like that's what it is.
[01:05:53]  Okay.
[01:05:54]  Because it does talk about the continuity of projects and stuff like that.
[01:05:59]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:05:59]  And it makes total sense from that standpoint, but I don't know.
[01:06:05]  Anyway.
[01:06:05]  It's about what they're not saying, Dan.
[01:06:07]  I think we can fall back on that pretty solidly.
[01:06:10]  Yeah.
[01:06:10]  Once again.
[01:06:12]  So I think you might be starting to get a sense of why this is incredibly frustrating.
[01:06:15]  Yeah.
[01:06:16]  As a documentary for me.
[01:06:17]  I'm telling you, urine water balloons are the way to go.
[01:06:20]  I'm coming around to your way of thinking.
[01:06:22]  So here's Millie.
[01:06:24]  She keeps going.
[01:06:25]  Load of nonsense.
[01:06:26]  One of the first indications that I think that you might not have much of a sense of what Edward Snowden talked about, but seems to like to say things about.
[01:06:36]  Sure.
[01:06:36]  The NSA data system collects everything through what's called the upstream, where everything is stored for 72 hours, then dumped.
[01:06:46]  However, if one could twin this stream of data, they could privatize it.
[01:06:52]  Imagine what you could do with that.
[01:06:54]  Tori alleges that she worked for John Brennan at the Analysis Corporation and Global Strategies Group.
[01:07:02]  So, Tori claims that she worked for John Brennan in a project of, like, mirroring data that they captured upstream or something.
[01:07:11]  And just to be clear, the NSA doesn't bulk collect literally everything with their upstream monitoring, which is definitely what Millie is trying to suggest.
[01:07:19]  That's a gross mischaracterization of the definitely shady and unnerving behaviors of our intelligence community.
[01:07:25]  I have serious questions about data collection and privacy issues and obviously there are issues with trust in the intelligence community, but that does not mean you can just say whatever you want about this stuff.
[01:07:35]  The NSA absolutely was not forthcoming about their data collection in the past, but that in and of itself does not mean that whatever unverified thing you decide to believe about what they do must be accurate.
[01:07:47]  You can't play that game.
[01:07:48]  I don't trust them.
[01:07:50]  I don't trust Facebook.
[01:07:51]  I don't trust Google.
[01:07:53]  I don't trust any of these motherfuckers.
[01:07:55]  But I'm not going to be like...
[01:07:57]  And that's how I know they're stealing everyone's data and calling it the bleh!
[01:08:01]  Because you don't trust a thing or an entity doesn't mean you should trust everything that's said about them.
[01:08:08]  Doesn't that seem odd?
[01:08:09]  Yeah.
[01:08:10]  Upstream gathering of data is done by catching data as it goes past.
[01:08:13]  You know, that sort of idea of upstream.
[01:08:15]  Like a bear and salmon.
[01:08:16]  Right.
[01:08:16]  Hence the name.
[01:08:17]  Yeah.
[01:08:17]  According to a 2011 review by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, NSA acquires more than 250 million internet communications each year pursuant to Section 702.
[01:08:27]  But the vast majority of these communications are obtained from internet service providers and are not at issue here.
[01:08:33]  Indeed, NSA's upstream collection constitutes only approximately 9% of the total internet communications being acquired by NSA under 702.
[01:08:43]  Millie wants to present the image that what's being collected by this upstream project is actually literally everything.
[01:08:49]  Every call you make, every text, every website you visit.
[01:08:52]  It's all logged in the NSA database when the reality of what she's talking about is much smaller in scope.
[01:08:57]  There are definitely legitimate issues surrounding the NSA and upstream surveillance.
[01:09:01]  The people who are actually fighting this are the ACLU, who sued the NSA over the issue, which you'd never know from listening to Infowars, where the ACLU is an evil Soros anti-free speech pro-tyranny group.
[01:09:12]  So I assume she's going to talk to somebody from the ACLU, right?
[01:09:16]  Nope.
[01:09:16]  Talks to two people.
[01:09:17]  She talks to two people.
[01:09:18]  The whole documentary.
[01:09:19]  Patrick Berge and Tory.
[01:09:22]  That's a bad situation.
[01:09:23]  You're not wrong.
[01:09:24]  So the main privacy concern that comes up with upstream data collection of internet stuff...
[01:09:29]  Relates to the possibility of roping in unrelated persons.
[01:09:32]  This was because downstream collected data was specifically just communications that were either to or from a non-U.S.
[01:09:39]  person who was under surveillance.
[01:09:41]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:09:43]  Whereas upstream collections involved communications that were to, from, or about a specifically specified person.
[01:09:50]  That last category is super hard to pull off ethically because you have a targeted email address, let's say, and then you collect a message where that address is in the body of the email.
[01:10:01]  If you do that, you could have inadvertently spied on a message from and to persons who aren't involved in that surveillance at all, which is bad.
[01:10:08]  As such, the NSA announced in April 2017 that, quote, After considerable evaluation of the program and available technology, NSA has decided that its Section 702 foreign intelligence surveillance activities will no longer include any upstream Internet communications that are solely about a foreign intelligence target.
[01:10:27]  Instead, the surveillance will now be limited to only those communications that are directly to or from an intelligence, a foreign intelligence.
[01:10:34]  Well, yeah.
[01:10:44]  I mean, unfortunately, NSA, you earned that.
[01:10:48]  You earned the fuck off real hard.
[01:10:51]  I won't lie that I understand where the instinct comes to be oppositional, defiant, knee-jerk about it, but I don't accept it as a conclusion.
[01:10:59]  No, I think it's absolutely an evil organization, but you need to do more.
[01:11:04]  So Millie would just be like, no!
[01:11:06]  However, in the real world, upstream collections did not collect everything that happened online, and the NSA stopped using it in ways that could inadvertently collect the communications of people not under foreign surveillance in 2017.
[01:11:16]  Anyway, her second expert is this person named Tori.
[01:11:19]  She's going to claim that she worked for John Brennan and he had her copy of the internet or something.
[01:11:23]  It's a mess.
[01:11:24]  I don't believe anything this person says.
[01:11:26]  So, okay.
[01:11:28]  Alright.
[01:11:29]  Does she not take that next step and realize, were they to collect everything?
[01:11:34]  They would need the infrastructure of thousands of people to even start trying to sort through it.
[01:11:41]  AI, baby.
[01:11:41]  AI, baby.
[01:11:48]  You got me.
[01:11:50]  I don't know if it's because you're tired, but that look on your face was terrifying.
[01:11:54]  You had a look of like, oh no.
[01:11:58]  You know, it is also, I mean, I'm joking around, but it is one of the unfortunate things that's the sort of deus ex machina about these arguments.
[01:12:07]  And you could just appeal to some sort of a magical ability that the globalists secretly have, like life extension technologies.
[01:12:14]  Okay, fine.
[01:12:15]  Then if we're doing that whole thing, who's...
[01:12:18]  Programming the algorithm and what biases...
[01:12:21]  Oh, God, I hate these people.
[01:12:22]  Bergie did it.
[01:12:22]  I hate them.
[01:12:23]  I hate them so much already and we haven't heard Tori speak.
[01:12:27]  Nope, but we're about to.
[01:12:28]  She's going to talk about some work that John Brennan had her do with some hard drives back in 2008.
[01:12:34]  She claims to be the actual person who moved the electronic files at Stanley Inc.
[01:12:40]  and CGI in 2008, which publicly was falsely alleged to be a hack.
[01:12:47]  What can you tell us about the CGI Stanley Passport incident?
[01:12:51]  See, Brennan has a certain MO, okay?
[01:12:53]  When he wants to get something, he pretends there's a hack.
[01:12:58]  So, I was asked, when I was stateside, hey, would you go buy that office and pull all this data from the State Department?
[01:13:08]  Leave the cannoli.
[01:13:08]  He said, of course I will.
[01:13:09]  I put it on two rugged drives.
[01:13:12]  They were like the orange tips, really big, you know.
[01:13:16]  Drives.
[01:13:17]  And I put it on there.
[01:13:18]  And then, later, it's like, "Oh, they were hacked!" And I'm thinking, "I didn't hack anything.
[01:13:26]  I was told to do it." So, I just kind of watched what was happening.
[01:13:30]  One person actually committed suicide or something, and the other two were found.
[01:13:34]  I'm like, "But there was no hack." And that's a going theme.
[01:13:38]  You know that, right?
[01:13:39]  Wow.
[01:13:40]  Wow.
[01:13:41]  So, I'm sorry.
[01:13:42]  I'm going to need more than the wow on that one.
[01:13:46]  Wow.
[01:13:47]  I'm going to need you to follow up with another, like, question.
[01:13:51]  That would be nice.
[01:13:52]  That's not Millie's style.
[01:13:53]  Nah, that's fair.
[01:13:54]  That's fair.
[01:13:55]  So you might be starting to notice a trend with this shit.
[01:13:57]  Millie's having to be really careful with her reporting, saying that Tori claims these things, and that's because there's literally no way to confirm anything this person's saying.
[01:14:05]  And that's smart for Millie.
[01:14:07]  If you're going to do a documentary where your experts are real weirdos who can't prove anything they're saying and they might be saying legally dicey things, the best way to handle it is to just say, they say this!
[01:14:16]  Yeah.
[01:14:17]  The government is run by Bigfoot.
[01:14:19]  Claims Tory.
[01:14:20]  Yeah.
[01:14:20]  Fuck off.
[01:14:21]  Here's one big problem with this story just from the jump.
[01:14:24]  Millie says that Tory claims to be the person who was behind his hack at Stanley and CGI back in 2008.
[01:14:31]  This has to do with some incidents in the lead-up to the 2008 election where all of the candidates' passport information was accessed by unauthorized people.
[01:14:39]  The breaches were traced to three individual incidents, two involving Stanley Incorporated subcontractors, and one who was a contractor for the Analysis Corporation, which are different entities.
[01:14:50]  The problem is the CGI part.
[01:14:52]  CGI had nothing to do with these data breaches, but they are associated with Stanley Incorporated.
[01:14:59]  They bought Stanley Incorporated in 2010, which is two years after these data breaches happened.
[01:15:05]  CGI has nothing to do with this story, unless you're somebody who's trying to recreate a conspiracy and got kind of sloppy with details and dates, which is kind of what I think is going on here.
[01:15:13]  Quid pro quo, my buddy.
[01:15:14]  So they do the hack with the other company, but two years later, so as not to make it look suspicious, They then purchase the other company making those people rich.
[01:15:25]  See?
[01:15:25]  Quid pro quo.
[01:15:26]  Hey, hey.
[01:15:26]  Done.
[01:15:27]  Makes sense.
[01:15:27]  Done.
[01:15:28]  Yep.
[01:15:29]  I have no idea what Tori's talking about with people who allegedly breach the files turning up dead or whatever, but this is entirely to set up a Seth Rich conspiracy later.
[01:15:38]  I think one of them committed suicide.
[01:15:39]  I'm not going to worry about who.
[01:15:40]  You've been warned that there's a Seth Rich conspiracy coming.
[01:15:45]  Nah, there's a couple people who got killed.
[01:15:46]  I'm pretty sure they were found somewhere.
[01:15:48]  I'm not sure.
[01:15:49]  Do I have any names?
[01:15:50]  Nah.
[01:15:51]  So this is the John Brennan M.O. In 2008, Tori went in.
[01:15:59]  They made it look like it was a hack, where people came in, except it wasn't really even a hack.
[01:16:04]  It was people who were contractors just accessed the information.
[01:16:09]  We're going to get into it later.
[01:16:10]  It seems very easy for people to do.
[01:16:12]  Yeah, it's kind of an honor system.
[01:16:13]  Yeah, it's almost kind of an accident, really.
[01:16:15]  It was not an accident.
[01:16:16]  Well, okay.
[01:16:17]  It might not have been nefarious.
[01:16:19]  Oh, yeah, okay.
[01:16:20]  So she goes in there, right?
[01:16:22]  She takes information off.
[01:16:24]  Of course.
[01:16:25]  But then somebody else has to come in and put information in or something.
[01:16:30]  This is what's known in the business is the super switch.
[01:16:33]  If it wasn't a hack, I'm presuming that means you took the information off of their servers.
[01:16:41]  Big presumption.
[01:16:42]  So that information was then missing.
[01:16:45]  Correct.
[01:16:45]  What would be the point of that?
[01:16:47]  What were they trying to hide?
[01:16:48]  Well, if I removed it, that means someone else was there to replace it.
[01:16:53]  Right?
[01:16:54]  Big presumption again.
[01:16:56]  Factual, actual information, and then someone goes behind.
[01:16:59]  That's like Super Switch.
[01:17:04]  I thought an Akon song was starting based on that sound effect.
[01:17:07]  Do not give me that sting.
[01:17:09]  Do not give me that sting after what she said.
[01:17:12]  She said it's the Super Switch.
[01:17:13]  Nah, you gotta come with something hot.
[01:17:15]  You can't just say Super Switch and then go, boom!
[01:17:17]  Right.
[01:17:18]  No.
[01:17:18]  Can't do it.
[01:17:19]  Nope.
[01:17:19]  Wrong.
[01:17:20]  Lose.
[01:17:21]  So this clip, it might have been...
[01:17:25]  I mean, at this point, we're not that deep into the documentary, but this might be about where I lost my mind and I wanted to yell at the people who were involved in this.
[01:17:34]  Okay.
[01:17:35]  Because it's just like, you're so bad at this.
[01:17:38]  I could do a better conspiracy documentary than you.
[01:17:41]  So what is the relationship between Global Strategies Group...
[01:17:45]  Analysis Corporation and Canadian Global Information.
[01:17:50]  They all do the same thing.
[01:17:51]  They're the jacks of all trade.
[01:17:53]  Except for the fact that Global Strategies Group was actually a hub for all information.
[01:18:01]  In and out.
[01:18:03]  None of this is proven anyway.
[01:18:05]  But there's a simpler answer to this question.
[01:18:08]  What's that?
[01:18:08]  The question, what's the relationship between these?
[01:18:12]  Analysis Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Strategies Group.
[01:18:16]  Oh, that's a good answer.
[01:18:17]  The answer to the question is, what's the relationship between them?
[01:18:20]  One owns the other.
[01:18:22]  You don't have to play games and be like, oh, they all do the same thing.
[01:18:26]  They're all jacks of all trades.
[01:18:28]  There's actual material concrete connections between two of these companies that you listed.
[01:18:33]  You would have to do research at all to know that name.
[01:18:37]  Not much.
[01:18:37]  I found that pretty easily.
[01:18:38]  Also, Millie thinks that CGI Incorporated stands for Canadian Global Information, which it actually doesn't.
[01:18:45]  It's a French name, which is Concierge en Gestion et Informatique, which loosely translates to Management and IT Consultants.
[01:18:54]  Since growing into a giant company, they just go by CGI now.
[01:18:58]  This is a problem with Millie's surface-level bullshit.
[01:19:01]  She thinks that CGI stands for Canadian Global Information because all she did was look at the first line of their Wikipedia page, which describes them as a Canadian Global Information company.
[01:19:10]  Oh my god.
[01:19:11]  The next paragraph literally would have explained their name and how when it was translated to English, it became consultants to government and industries in order to preserve the acronym.
[01:19:20]  I don't know what the connection is, if there is any, between CGI and Global Strategies Group.
[01:19:25]  I do know, however, that just saying that these companies all have a lot of divisions in them isn't strong enough of an argument, and the fact that Tory didn't correct Millie on thinking that that's what CGI stands for makes me think that maybe she doesn't know much about the company either, and that's pretty troubling.
[01:19:41]  I want to throw...
[01:19:42]  A urine balloon so bad.
[01:19:45]  I'm noticing that's going to be a theme.
[01:19:48]  I'm trying not to yell, Dan.
[01:19:50]  So I'm imagining, instead of the screams, I'm seeing in my mind's eye Millie Weaver and a giant explosion of urine all over her face.
[01:19:58]  Sure.
[01:19:59]  I wish I didn't say it like that, but...
[01:20:03]  You know, we all need visualization exercises sometimes.
[01:20:08]  So one of the other, the two main villains, I guess, if you're going to say that about this documentary, are James Jones, Obama's national security advisor, who apparently, I don't know if he actually runs Dynology or it's his son.

=== CIA Director's Subsidiary (15:41) ===

[01:20:26]  His son is listed in all the stuff that I was finding.
[01:20:30]  But it's possible that the father was also involved.
[01:20:34]  I don't know.
[01:20:35]  Sure.
[01:20:35]  So, Patrick Berge apparently worked for Dynology, which is involved with James Jones.
[01:20:41]  Of course.
[01:20:42]  The other villain is John Brennan, former director of the CIA, who was the CEO for a short time, a couple years, of the Analysis Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary.
[01:20:55]  of Global Strategies Group and Subcontracting Group.
[01:21:00]  And one of the people who did work for it was one of the people who accessed the passport.
[01:21:05]  Sure.
[01:21:06]  And so that is how Tori is going to say that she was that person and worked for John Brennan or something kind of it's controversial.
[01:21:15]  Convoluted.
[01:21:16]  Are we getting psyoped here?
[01:21:19]  Or is somebody behind this?
[01:21:21]  Maybe.
[01:21:22]  Somebody who maybe has been all over the world for the past 40 years.
[01:21:26]  Are you talking about Steve Pieczenik?
[01:21:28]  He's not involved in this, as far as I can tell.
[01:21:30]  His alias is Tory.
[01:21:31]  Oh.
[01:21:32]  No, it's not Steve.
[01:21:34]  Nope.
[01:21:35]  This person left a paper trail.
[01:21:37]  All right.
[01:21:37]  Anyway, here's some talk about John Brennan that's not true.
[01:21:41]  John Brennan, working within his network of contracting companies such as Stanley, Canadian Global Information, and the Analysis Corporation, helped then-Senator Barack Obama get elected using internet influence operations.
[01:21:59]  March 5th, 2013, Brennan gets confirmed as CIA director, dodging controversy over his involvement in the CIA-enhanced interrogation scandal.
[01:22:10]  This makes no sense.
[01:22:11]  For one, Millie is saying Canadian Global Information again, which is not a real company.
[01:22:16]  Second, there's literally nothing about the sentence and allegation that she just made that's proven.
[01:22:21]  Tory claims that she was working for John Brennan through the Analysis Corporation when she went and took those passports, which was then covered up as a hack, but Millie hasn't proven this, and absolutely zero evidence to suggest that this wasn't just people accessing the data has been provided.
[01:22:34]  It's just the hearsay of one person.
[01:22:37]  John Brennan was the CEO of the Analysis Corporation from 2005 to 2008, at which point he left in order to accept a nomination from Obama to be the Deputy National Security Advisor.
[01:22:47]  I don't know if there's any connection between the Analysis Corporation and Stanley Incorporated, and none has been provided outside of the fact that in 2008 both had contractors who breached State Department files to view the candidate's passport data.
[01:22:59]  That apparently isn't very hard for people with access to do, though.
[01:23:03]  The thing that's stopping people from doing it is knowing that if you do, it triggers a response and you will get in trouble.
[01:23:09]  In a New York Times article about the 2008 data breaches, a State Department spokesperson, Sean McCormick, discusses how Hillary Clinton's file had been breached the previous summer.
[01:23:18]  It was in the context of a training exercise where new employees were asked to pull up someone's file.
[01:23:24]  Quote, usually in these training circumstances, people are encouraged to enter a family member's name just for training purposes.
[01:23:32]  The person chose Senator Clinton's name.
[01:23:34]  Do not tell me that!
[01:23:37]  What an idiot.
[01:23:39]  It was immediately recognized, they were immediately admonished, and it didn't happen again.
[01:23:43]  Pat Kennedy, the Undersecretary of State for Management, said that the department had automatic controls that flag when the files of well-known or public figures were accessed.
[01:23:52]  In the case of Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain, the flag went up when these files were opened.
[01:23:57]  It's apparently super easy for this information to be accessed by people who we trust to work in these data environments, so it's not too surprising the contractors from two different firms were able to access them.
[01:24:08]  It really just means that there were multiple people who didn't believe it when someone told them, if you click on that, it will set off an alarm.
[01:24:14]  Yeah.
[01:24:15]  As the kids say, they fucked around and found out.
[01:24:17]  That is such a fucking sitcom plot.
[01:24:20]  It is.
[01:24:20]  Of like, it's your first day and you're like, haha, it's a joke.
[01:24:24]  I'm going to be the funny guy in the office.
[01:24:25]  I'll just type in Hillary Clinton.
[01:24:28]  Klaxons all around you.
[01:24:31]  Lockdown.
[01:24:33]  John Brennan is connected to the Analysis Corporation, but not Stanley.
[01:24:37]  Stan Lee is involved in the data breach story, but CGI didn't buy them until two years later.
[01:24:42]  There's no reason for Milley to claim that this data breach, which he hasn't proven that Brennan had anything to do with, was the quid pro quo which got Obama elected, and it was IIAs, and then the payoff was to make him CIA director five years later?
[01:24:56]  Yeah, it's the long game, Dan.
[01:24:58]  It's the long game.
[01:24:59]  There's a few details that Milley's leaving out.
[01:25:01]  The first is that Brennan specifically withdrew his name from consideration for the position of CIA Director in Obama's first term because he knew that he was unlikely to be confirmed for the exact reason that Milley brings up, that he had supported Bush's enhanced interrogations.
[01:25:14]  Knowing that, he accepted the position of Assistant to the President on Homeland Security, which doesn't require Senate confirmation.
[01:25:21]  Also, Milley is conveniently ignoring that John Brennan was a public supporter of and advisor to then-Senator Barack Obama prior to the passport breach.
[01:25:29]  According to an article in The Record from 2009, Brennan, quote, became involved with Obama's campaign in 2007.
[01:25:36]  Brennan was already on a short list of names to be nominated for positions like CIA director or security advisor long before that data breach, and there's nothing that Milley is saying here that can actually be proven or seems to mean anything.
[01:25:48]  Yeah.
[01:25:49]  That's awesome.
[01:25:51]  Thanks, Billy.
[01:25:51]  Yep.
[01:25:52]  So, anyway, she gets to talk more about Snowden a little bit.
[01:25:56]  And I know that you're somebody who has a lot of familiarity with that story.
[01:26:00]  And let's see if this passes your smell test.
[01:26:03]  Snowden created a data bridge from the NSA database into private servers controlled by private intelligence and cybersecurity contractors.
[01:26:13]  aka the Analysis Corporation, Global Strategies Group, and Canadian Global Information.
[01:26:21]  The twinning of streams is duplicating the information in the upstream.
[01:26:26]  That's crazy.
[01:26:28]  To think that another company is copying all emails, texts, phone calls, messages, emojis, Instagrams, tweets, anything you can imagine that's being uploaded.
[01:26:42]  That has to go into, like, the 72-hour holding is suddenly being pushed offshore.
[01:26:47]  That sounds kind of illegal, because it is.
[01:26:50]  June 5th, 2013.
[01:26:52]  Edward Snowden goes public with the NSA program, PRISM, revealing the NSA collects internet traffic of all U.S. citizens from major internet and telecom companies through the FISA 702 program.
[01:27:09]  Snowden's actions kicked off, on the federal level, justification for spying on US citizens, including the Senate and Congress, in the name of preventing US citizens with classified or top-secret clearances from being able to repeat Snowden's actions.
[01:27:27]  This opened the door for the creation of Clear Force.
[01:27:31]  Dun-dun!
[01:27:32]  Clear Force!
[01:27:34]  We'll get to that later.
[01:27:35]  Alright.
[01:27:35]  Real quick, Edward Snowden didn't create twin streams of data.
[01:27:38]  Nope, didn't.
[01:27:39]  He released a trove of documents, which revealed the level of spying that we were previously unaware of.
[01:27:43]  In the information presented in this film, I'm not confident that Millie knows what Edward Snowden actually did.
[01:27:48]  I think she has no idea.
[01:27:50]  Yeah, it's very confusing.
[01:27:51]  It sounds like she didn't even watch Citizen 4, which is not long!
[01:27:56]  And it's a good documentary.
[01:27:58]  She might have watched him on Rogan, but not paid attention.
[01:28:02]  Secondly, Canadian global information still isn't a thing.
[01:28:05]  Third, there's no evidence that what Tory is describing is happening.
[01:28:09]  If she's just talking about the upstream collections, that's a very small percentage of data that's collected by the NSA, and since 2017, it's a method that only applies to communications to or from persons under foreign surveillance.
[01:28:20]  What she's describing sounds really scary, though.
[01:28:23]  Probably impossibly complicated to implement in any way, but very scary.
[01:28:27]  Yeah, if it sounds illegal, Dan.
[01:28:29]  Literally everything that's being done, everything online is collected in this 72-hour hold, and then it's doubled and sold to everybody.
[01:28:38]  Yes.
[01:28:39]  Fourth problem, Snowden's revelations about PRISM has nothing to do with upstream collections, which has been what we've been talking about this whole time.
[01:28:46]  Well, that is kind of important.
[01:28:48]  The data that's collected through PRISM is requested from actual internet service providers, which is in contrast to how upstream collection works.
[01:28:55]  You would know the difference if you looked into it, but you wouldn't know the difference if all you did was watch this stupid documentary.
[01:29:01]  Yeah, I think, you know, when I read the book...
[01:29:08]  And watched the documentary and went through all of this stuff.
[01:29:12]  I really thought that Snowden was going to send all this data to a non-existent company.
[01:29:17]  And to find out that it was confirmed by Millie Weaver that he sent all of our private information.
[01:29:24]  No, that's the problem.
[01:29:26]  Analysis Corporation is a real company.
[01:29:29]  That's the problem with a lot of this stuff.
[01:29:31]  Yeah, there's enough...
[01:29:34]  There's tentpoles of reality that if you're not careful, you could easily get yourself tricked into thinking like, uh-oh, this is real.
[01:29:41]  Yeah.
[01:29:41]  And then you're like, what's Canadian global information?
[01:29:44]  Fifth problem.
[01:29:46]  I don't know if Snowden is where the idea of screening employees started, which is what Clearforce is.
[01:29:52]  I know that when I was rejected for a job at Eddie Bauer back when I was 20, it was because I failed the multiple choice test that they made me take that's supposed to identify if you're likely to steal.
[01:30:01]  And that was...
[01:30:05]  That was back in 2004.
[01:30:08]  I got a little note in the mail that said that I didn't live the Eddie Bauer lifestyle.
[01:30:15]  Alright, that's enough to cause a revolution.
[01:30:17]  It hurt.
[01:30:18]  That should be the front page of every newspaper.
[01:30:21]  My buddy Swearingen at the time worked at Eddie Bauer and he mocked me about how I lived the Eddie Bauer lifestyle.
[01:30:27]  So Swearingen was living the Eddie Bauer lifestyle.
[01:30:29]  I feel like that should have been the other way around.
[01:30:32]  I think we were roommates at the time too.
[01:30:34]  Very different lifestyles of the house, which actually, to be fair, quite different.
[01:30:37]  You stole a lot of stuff, presumably.
[01:30:40]  According to that multiple choice test, I had the propensity.
[01:30:43]  I would assume that if getting a job selling overpriced jeans employed some of these techniques to screen employees, companies that are involved with hiring people who get access to very sensitive data might have some checks in place.
[01:30:53]  I love the idea that we are all the way in a year that begins with a two, right?
[01:31:02]  Snowden happens, and then the government's like, Shit!
[01:31:04]  Screening people!
[01:31:06]  Uh-huh.
[01:31:06]  Oh, duh!
[01:31:08]  Oh, damn.
[01:31:09]  How did we not know that?
[01:31:11]  Yeah.
[01:31:12]  We've been around for a while.
[01:31:14]  Yeah.
[01:31:14]  So, um, we'll get into this a little bit more.
[01:31:18]  They talk about Clearforce a bit later.
[01:31:19]  It's just sort of another vague name that's thrown around, like, ShadowNet.
[01:31:22]  Yeah, Clearforce, what are we doing?
[01:31:24]  I don't know.
[01:31:25]  What are we doing naming shit?
[01:31:26]  I don't know.
[01:31:26]  Call it Thing 1 and Thing 2, and then we'll number them until we're done.
[01:31:30]  So this was one of the more troubling and difficult things to look into that gets brought up in this documentary.
[01:31:41]  Millie's talking about Dynology, which is the company that's run by James Jones, apparently, or his son.
[01:31:48]  And they have contracts with the government.
[01:31:51]  And one of the contracts that Millie has singled in on is...
[01:31:56]  A contract about a thing called the Congressional Knowledge System, which is essentially, as I understand it from the things that I was able to find, it is a platform that people can have to gather publicly available data on representatives.
[01:32:17]  So it will have meetings that they went to, because everybody's schedule is publicly available.
[01:32:24]  And then you can cross-reference that with who was at which meeting.
[01:32:27]  I assume that it has really strong potential for lobbying and for networking uses.
[01:32:35]  Essentially, from everything I can tell, all of the stuff that would be on it or you'd find through this platform is stuff that you could find if you wanted to take forever to find it.
[01:32:45]  Or they've created an algorithm that gathers this information from the places that it is and has it in a searchable database.
[01:32:54]  That's the sense that I get from looking at it.
[01:32:58]  So that's the thing that Dynology had a number of contracts for.
[01:33:04]  Now, Millie has found a website that lists government contracts, usspending.gov.
[01:33:12]  And she's found something in there that is suspicious.
[01:33:16]  And I will admit that when I started to look into it...
[01:33:20]  I didn't think that she was making something up because it is very fucking suspicious.
[01:33:23]  Okay.
[01:33:24]  And it became an issue where I was like, oh, what's going on here?
[01:33:28]  And then I wasted hours.
[01:33:29]  Good.
[01:33:30]  But I didn't waste them because I did figure out what's going on.
[01:33:32]  Okay, good.
[01:33:33]  If we look on usspending.gov, we see Dynology was awarded contracts for the Congressional Knowledge Management System.
[01:33:42]  However, one contract stands out.
[01:33:45]  where Dynology was awarded a contract by the Department of Defense that includes a mention of the Congressional Knowledge Management System.
[01:33:54]  A closer look shows that the award description is for CKMS hosting labor, admin, core data.
[01:34:03]  The primary place of performance is Germany, and the North American industry classification description is data processing, hosting, Let it sink in that these official documents suggest the Congressional Knowledge Management System outsourced to a private
[01:34:33]  contractor is hosted, managed, and stored in servers in Germany.
[01:34:40]  This is very disturbing.
[01:34:42]  I don't know if it is.
[01:34:43]  I don't think it's very disturbing.
[01:34:45]  I'm not entirely sure what it implies, but there's something really strange about this transaction.
[01:34:50]  I did trace it down, and weirdly, Millie isn't apparently making stuff up.
[01:34:54]  There is an award that ended up totaling $169,112 of a potential $253,300 that appears to be for some kind of data processing, hosting, and related services taken on by Dynology that has Germany listed as its primary place of performance.
[01:35:12]  There's other screwy things about this award, too, that just don't quite make sense on its face.
[01:35:17]  Wait, so the global spying operation costs $160,000?
[01:35:21]  Yeah, that's a problem.
[01:35:22]  We'll get into it.
[01:35:23]  Trust me.
[01:35:24]  This seems really fishy, but when you're lazy and you jump to assumptions, you end up doing things like Millie.
[01:35:31]  But when you spend a couple hours going over this and looking for details, I can explain this to you.
[01:35:38]  Pretty clearly.
[01:35:40]  But it does look fucked up, because why is there this one contract that's in Germany?
[01:35:45]  Sure, sure.
[01:35:46]  And this is the other part that I really had difficulty with.
[01:35:49]  The first installment of it was paid in February 2008, the amount of $76,526.

=== Cloud Computing Controversy (15:29) ===

[01:35:56]  Then, in January 16, 2009, an additional $84,178 was paid out.
[01:36:02]  But, on April 28, 2009, that exact same amount was returned to the U.S. government.
[01:36:08]  Then, in January 2010, $92,586 was paid to Dynology for this award, and then that's it.
[01:36:16]  It seems like an indication that in 2009, Dynology failed to fulfill their end of the contract and weren't paid.
[01:36:23]  It's really hard to say what exactly it was that they didn't provide, but it couldn't possibly be something as essential as the Congressional Calendar, which is what they are saying that this Congressional Knowledge Service is.
[01:36:36]  Gotcha.
[01:36:37]  Because, you know, that would mean that Congress had no calendar for a year, and then they decided to pay the same vendor in 2010 that screwed it up in 2009.
[01:36:43]  Doesn't make sense.
[01:36:44]  I think that's a great way to, you know, I want the government to run like a business.
[01:36:48]  Something is up here, and I didn't know exactly what it was, and I'm confident that Millie doesn't either.
[01:36:54]  This page on usaspending.gov does not say what this contract was for.
[01:36:58]  It's only described as, quote, CMKS hosting labor slash admin slash core data.
[01:37:05]  You can jump to a conclusion with this if you want, and report that Dynology was hosting all this U.S. Congress calendar data on the server in Germany, but I don't think that the award proves that, and like I said, I'm not sure if it's a scandal if it were true, even.
[01:37:18]  Alright, here's my pitch.
[01:37:19]  Spying on Hitler who didn't die.
[01:37:22]  Could be.
[01:37:22]  Here's my attempt to clear this up.
[01:37:24]  Although, I respect your guess.
[01:37:27]  That's about 160 grand worth, right?
[01:37:29]  Sure.
[01:37:30]  I suspect that Millie made a hasty assumption in guessing what CMKS stands for.
[01:37:37]  She says that this contract has a mention of the Congressional Knowledge Service, and that is only the description line, CMKS hosting labor slash admin slash core data.
[01:37:49]  That's what she's referring to.
[01:37:50]  She's interpreting it as being the Congressional Knowledge System, which is supposed to be that calendar.
[01:37:56]  But in other contracts they have that involve the Congressional Knowledge Service, it's never abbreviated.
[01:38:01]  This is the only contract, I went through a bunch of them, where it's abbreviated, because I don't think that's what CMKS stands for.
[01:38:10]  I think it stands for Customer Master Keys, which are something that are used in cloud computing.
[01:38:15]  The contracts that Dynology has been awarded are mostly through the Department of Defense, but the office that's doing the awarding is different.
[01:38:22]  And the one that's in the German contract and is for CMKS is the office that's titled 0409-AQHQ.
[01:38:31]  This is the only contract they've been awarded through this office, and if you search for more information about it, the office itself, you'll find a bunch of contracts for a U.S. regional office in Bavaria.
[01:38:42]  These contracts as Dynology has been awarded are in the field of IT and network, so it makes total sense that they possibly were contracted by a US station in Bavaria to help with a cloud computing issue related to customer master keys, and Millie saw the abbreviation CMKS and assumed that it must be related to the Congressional Knowledge System, because three of the letters are the same.
[01:39:04]  Even if that's the case, she completely fucks it up.
[01:39:07]  She calls it the Congressional Knowledge Management System, which would be CKMS, not CMKS.
[01:39:13]  Well, we all make mistakes.
[01:39:14]  Pobody's nerfick, Dan.
[01:39:16]  Dynology did have a trademark on CKMS, or Congressional Knowledge Management System, which they filed in March 2009.
[01:39:23]  You'll notice that the contract for the German CMKS started prior to this, in February 2008, which is weird.
[01:39:31]  The trademark that Dynology had has also since expired.
[01:39:34]  It doesn't appear to have been active, at least since 2015.
[01:39:37]  From everything I can tell, there's no reason to conclude that this contract that was performed in Germany has any connection to the other contracts that Dianology fulfilled, or has anything to do with the congressional knowledge system.
[01:39:49]  And I think that Milley just assumed that based on similarity of acronym.
[01:39:53]  And that's fucking sloppy.
[01:39:56]  That, what you just explained right there, is the nail in the coffin for when, if you made it this far into the documentary, you should just turn it off.
[01:40:06]  But you would never know this if you didn't look through all these fucking contracts.
[01:40:11]  Of course not.
[01:40:12]  It took forever.
[01:40:12]  I know.
[01:40:13]  It was annoying.
[01:40:13]  I believe it.
[01:40:14]  And I didn't want to do it after she screwed up the Canadian global information thing.
[01:40:18]  That's what I was thinking.
[01:40:19]  Yeah.
[01:40:19]  How did we get here?
[01:40:21]  But the fact that you put more work, more work, to finding out that acronym than she did on the entire fucking documentary.
[01:40:31]  Well, here's the thing.
[01:40:31]  You know what I was saying at the beginning, like the good and bad part of it.
[01:40:35]  I really did feel excited looking at that.
[01:40:39]  Of course you did.
[01:40:39]  Because it was like, oh, what's going on here?
[01:40:41]  This is interesting.
[01:40:43]  Yeah.
[01:40:43]  Because Millie had pointed me at something that doesn't immediately make sense.
[01:40:47]  Right.
[01:40:47]  And that is, why is there this one contract for Germany that's related to the congressional knowledge system?
[01:40:54]  Sure.
[01:40:54]  You go through all the prefixes of the things, look at dates on contracts, and they're like, oh, wait a second.
[01:41:02]  You should probably get the acronym wrong.
[01:41:04]  CMKS is something that exists as an abbreviation in cloud computing.
[01:41:08]  There's no reason to suspect that this has anything to do with it.
[01:41:11]  You're just making up that it's related.
[01:41:14]  Also, there are American military bases all around the world.
[01:41:19]  I wouldn't be surprised if one of them needed IT support in Germany.
[01:41:25]  It wouldn't be all that uncommon for a bunch of different IT companies to perhaps provide Fulfillment of those contracts.
[01:41:34]  So them just having this one that was in Germany makes sense.
[01:41:38]  Maybe they did it and didn't do a great job with it, which is why they aren't in that field as much, and there's only one contract for that.
[01:41:47]  I don't know.
[01:41:48]  There's a hundred possibilities that are completely non-nefarious and aren't weird at all, but they're all excluded, and she just jumps to the conclusion that, aha!
[01:41:58]  Aha!
[01:41:59]  Dynology has...
[01:42:02]  All of the Congress.
[01:42:03]  They have all of Congress's information and they keep it on this secret thing in Germany.
[01:42:11]  I'm just not going to buy $160,000 doing it.
[01:42:15]  You can't spy on the Congress for only $160,000.
[01:42:20]  For three years.
[01:42:21]  Yeah, you need risk.
[01:42:24]  Risk alone.
[01:42:26]  $30 million.
[01:42:27]  Even if you accept that every misinterpretation that she's making is true.
[01:42:31]  Yes.
[01:42:32]  This contract ended its payout.
[01:42:34]  The last payout was in 2010.
[01:42:36]  Yeah.
[01:42:36]  So I don't know what the relation this has to the present day.
[01:42:40]  Also, if you're spying on the government for a year.
[01:42:46]  And then they're like, you did a bad job and you have to give back $80,000?
[01:42:51]  That's a red flag for me.
[01:42:53]  Some egg on the face.
[01:42:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:42:54]  That's not good.
[01:42:55]  So now at this point what we have is two streams that are going sort of simultaneously.
[01:43:00]  Yeah.
[01:43:01]  You have the Bergie side of things.
[01:43:03]  Sure.
[01:43:03]  Which is Dynology and James Jones.
[01:43:06]  Right.
[01:43:07]  And so they...
[01:43:08]  Have Congress by the Short and Curleys with this...
[01:43:12]  With Nichols.
[01:43:13]  And also they have the entire world because they do these IIA operations that basically can make everyone do whatever they want.
[01:43:22]  And they do it on the cheap.
[01:43:23]  That's what you need.
[01:43:23]  So they got that covered.
[01:43:25]  Yeah.
[01:43:25]  Then you have Tori, and she worked for John Brennan through whatever, and she apparently, through him, knows that he has access to every computer.
[01:43:36]  Sure.
[01:43:37]  So he can do everything through the computers.
[01:43:40]  Dynology's got control of all the Congress.
[01:43:42]  Bada bing, bada boom!
[01:43:44]  Based on what you're telling me in reality, I feel like these are completely parallel streams that do not ever intersect whatsoever.
[01:43:52]  I think they're supposed to be working together.
[01:43:54]  I don't know.
[01:43:55]  Anyway, all this is meaningless.
[01:43:57]  None of this is proven.
[01:43:58]  They need to do a better job.
[01:44:00]  If what they're talking about, like, let's pretend it is real and there is this nefarious plan.
[01:44:05]  Sure.
[01:44:05]  They are doing a disservice by making this terrible documentary that doesn't prove anything.
[01:44:10]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:44:11]  They're really fucking us over.
[01:44:12]  Maybe Jesus.
[01:44:14]  No, no, no.
[01:44:15]  Come on.
[01:44:16]  Anyway.
[01:44:16]  False flag documentary.
[01:44:17]  Brennan got the computers.
[01:44:19]  Uh-huh.
[01:44:20]  Dynology has everything else.
[01:44:21]  Sure.
[01:44:22]  With the Senate's computer network, compromised by John Brennan's CIA.
[01:44:28]  That's just a regular CIA.
[01:44:43]  Prove anything.
[01:44:44]  Anyway, Bergy comes back now.
[01:44:47]  We have to talk about Bergy a little more.
[01:44:49]  He claims that he named this technology iSpy because PSI, like psychology, psyops.
[01:44:56]  Wait, so it's P-S-P-I-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-S-P-I-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S- Anyway, he named it because he loves confusing.
[01:45:13]  And then through this clip, we end up with one of the really, really big misunderstandings that fuels where a lot of this is coming from.
[01:45:25]  Sure.
[01:45:26]  And it's a pretty simple explanation for why they're wrong.
[01:45:29]  What did you name it iSci for?
[01:45:31]  I, like the iPhone, Psi for psychological warfare.
[01:45:36]  Okay.
[01:45:37]  You have the component where you need to be able to collect all this information.
[01:45:40]  Real quick, they absolutely do call it I-Spy at other points.
[01:45:44]  I know that I heard them call it that.
[01:45:46]  Okay, gotcha.
[01:45:48]  I'm really mad that they said I-Spy.
[01:45:50]  In this one circumstance.
[01:45:52]  It might be interchangeable.
[01:45:54]  I know I heard I-Spy.
[01:45:55]  Anyway.
[01:45:57]  You're alright.
[01:45:58]  And then you need to be able to collaborate this information with a team of an unspecified amount of analysts and or other legal people that will be looking at stuff.
[01:46:08]  And collaborate information.
[01:46:10]  To provide the leadership of a tactical operation, you need to be able to provide them what's called a COPS, a common operational picture, right?
[01:46:20]  So this provides people at the top a common operational picture of all the different assets.
[01:46:28]  Assets can be journalists.
[01:46:29]  It could be an entire news organization.
[01:46:33]  It could be a podcast.
[01:46:35]  It could be just an individual YouTube influencer.
[01:46:39]  It could be anybody like that.
[01:46:42]  And you would either build them from scratch or contract them out.
[01:46:47]  Just bring them online.
[01:46:48]  According to Berge, the 2012 changes to the Smith-Munt Modernization Act of 2012 So here's where things kind of fall apart, and Patrick Berge begins to sound even more like a sovereign citizen type who's constructed a fantasy world where only he really knows the truth.
[01:47:11]  But then again, he did say the podcasts are possibly IIA operations, so why would anyone take my word for it?
[01:47:16]  Yeah, right.
[01:47:17]  All the parts of this stuff that intersects with reality are in places that involve public diplomacy efforts in foreign countries, which some could call propaganda or even psyops.
[01:47:27]  The 2007 policy guideline on IIA stuff was about engaging foreign entities, for example.
[01:47:32]  Some of this is undoubtedly insidious and awful, but some of it's probably not as malevolent as you might imagine, like countering terrorist propaganda.
[01:47:40]  I mean, yeah, the other way of, you know, that's also just advertising.
[01:47:44]  Yeah.
[01:47:45]  Public relations.
[01:47:46]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:47:47]  I feel like having the conversation about whether or not public relations messaging is a good or a bad thing is nearly impossible when the definitions are so vague, so I'm not even going to try.
[01:47:55]  The only reason that these people like Berge and Milley can argue that this has anything to do with America, and thus they can claim that all attacks on Trump and all social unopportunities, Yes, yeah.
[01:48:21]  This is literally all the result of one instance of bad reporting by the late Michael Hastings of BuzzFeed.
[01:48:27]  From an article in Foreign Policy, quote, One example included a report in the late BuzzFeed reporter Michael Hastings, who suggested that the SmithMunt Modernization Act would open the door to Pentagon propaganda of U.S. audiences.
[01:48:50]  In fact, as amended in 1987, the act only covers portions of the State Department engaged in public diplomacy abroad.
[01:48:57]  But the news circulated regardless, much to the displeasure of Representative Mac Thornberry, Republican of Texas, a sponsor of the Smith-Bunt Modernization Act of 2012.
[01:49:07]  Quote, To me, it's fascinating as a case study and how one blogger was pretty sloppy, not understanding the issue, and then it got picked up by Politico's playbook, and you had one level of sloppiness on top of another, Thornberry told The Cable last May.
[01:49:21]  out there it spreads like wildfire yeah that is fascinating the smith-munt modernization act only applies to the broadcasting board of governors which contains things like voice of america they produce news items and programs that are available for foreign audiences which they claim are fair and objective but i think most people would suspect are a bit on the pro-america angle of things no the modernization act was prompted by two considerations
[01:49:46]  The first was that previously, the products of the Broadcasting Board of Governors was not supposed to be available in the United States, but that was when there was radio and TV were the primary means.
[01:49:56]  So with the internet becoming what it was, it's probably going to be increasingly impossible to guarantee that these products aren't available within the United States.
[01:50:04]  You can get radio stations from across the world.
[01:50:06]  Yeah, I mean, you would have to create your own Chinese firewall around America just for this one purpose.
[01:50:15]  Logistically, it would be really, really hard to guarantee that.
[01:50:19]  The larger consideration, however, was providing programming that would serve diaspora communities in the United States.
[01:50:25]  For instance, there's a large Somali-American community in St. Paul, and prior to the act, they weren't able to listen to Voice of America Somalia, which may have been their main source of news before coming to the United States.
[01:50:36]  Meanwhile, they would have access to other news sources from Somalia that might not be great.
[01:50:42]  Yee well.
[01:50:43]  So that's one of the big considerations.
[01:50:46]  The important thing to take away from this is that the Smith-Munt Modernization Act did not legalize using propaganda on American citizens the way that people like Berge like to pretend.
[01:50:55]  They act like after that point the Pentagon and CIA were taking over every newsroom in the country when in reality the act had nothing to do with anything except a very specific section of the government and it applied to programming that was already being created which is now available in the United States upon request.

=== Obama Didn't Legalize Propaganda (01:44) ===

[01:51:12]  The act is very clear on page 5, saying, quote, No funds authorized to be appropriated to the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States.
[01:51:23]  It's a very standard talking point that people on the extreme right wing in the conspiracy world deploy in an attempt to invalidate all media they disagree with, but it just isn't real.
[01:51:32]  Obama did not legalize propaganda in the United States.
[01:51:35]  The act just made it so people in the United States could watch Voice of America if they wanted to.
[01:51:39]  If they want to complain about Voice of America, that's fine.
[01:51:42]  They have the right to do that.
[01:51:43]  It's just a completely different conversation.
[01:51:46]  Cool.
[01:51:48]  So, I don't quite understand.
[01:51:54]  If you're telling me that Obama legalized propaganda in the United States and thus took over newsrooms and the like, including podcasts such as ours.
[01:52:06]  That is what they're saying.
[01:52:07]  Right, right, right.
[01:52:08]  Then, why is it that they often reference those news organizations when they want to use them to prove their point?
[01:52:19]  Smokebob.
[01:52:24]  You're just saying literally everything is propaganda.
[01:52:26]  Dude, because the fucking DOD can't control everything.
[01:52:29]  Yes, they can.
[01:52:30]  You just said they could.
[01:52:32]  You're saying that's what Snowden allowed them to do.
[01:52:35]  Shut the fuck up.
[01:52:36]  When there's a good article that supports what I like, then that's not the DOD.

=== Long Elevator Ride (12:54) ===

[01:52:42]  Alright.
[01:52:42]  Okay, so here's...
[01:52:43]  It's magic.
[01:52:44]  Piggyback on this, though.
[01:52:46]  Magic.
[01:52:46]  This is where you piggyback...
[01:52:47]  This is actually good for your conspiracy theory documentary, right?
[01:52:51]  Don't call it mine.
[01:52:52]  I'm not talking about yours.
[01:52:54]  I take offense to that.
[01:52:55]  This documentary is terrible.
[01:52:56]  I mean in a larger sense.
[01:52:57]  The collective mind is...
[01:53:01]  Okay, so that means that if they're controlling newsrooms and I sometimes use them to agree with myself and I sometimes use them to disagree with other people...
[01:53:12]  Then the government is planting information for both sides all the time, creating this great divide in the United States.
[01:53:22]  It's all there, right?
[01:53:25]  That's what you say.
[01:53:27]  I mean, sure.
[01:53:29]  I'm having a difficult time processing.
[01:53:31]  I just...
[01:53:36]  We are both a little punch drunk here.
[01:53:39]  I mean, there's a little bit of that to it.
[01:53:40]  And then there's also a, like, I'm so frustrated by this documentary.
[01:53:46]  Yeah.
[01:53:47]  And talking about it now, I realize there's a bit more to talk about, and that makes me angry.
[01:53:55]  This product makes me angry.
[01:53:57]  We're not done yet.
[01:53:58]  Yeah.
[01:53:59]  How is it we're not done yet?
[01:54:00]  Honestly, I couldn't pay attention to the conspiracy that you were spinning because I'm like, I'm going to be up all night.
[01:54:05]  I literally just didn't get this episode out.
[01:54:08]  Here's what we'll do.
[01:54:08]  This episode's going to be four hours long.
[01:54:10]  I'll just stay quiet the rest of the night.
[01:54:12]  No, no.
[01:54:13]  I insist you don't.
[01:54:15]  So, Millie gets into talking with Patrick Berge here.
[01:54:18]  She's interviewing him.
[01:54:19]  And she wants to know if iPhones, you know, if they were creating these smartphone technologies, were they created in order for the military to run IIA operations on us?
[01:54:29]  And this is where I started to detect a trend in Mr. Berge.
[01:54:35]  Do you think that some of these smart devices were created in order to gain access to the public by the military-industrial complex?
[01:54:45]  I know that the iPhone really was released within, if not the same month, of the IIA policy letter.
[01:54:54]  I know for a fact, and you can easily look it up, that the Smith-Munt Act Modernization Act was modified to allow For the influence, dissemination of propaganda to Americans,
[01:55:09]  which had previously been restricted or prevented by the Smith-Munt Act in the late 40s when it was put into place, when they modernized that, they took away those protections, allowing it to adapt for social media, and then within a few months or just a very short period of time, they came out with the Obama phone.
[01:55:32]  Everybody in Cleveland, no minority!
[01:55:34]  Get the fuck out!
[01:55:35]  Yeah.
[01:55:36]  Get the fuck out!
[01:55:37]  That was where I was like, oh no.
[01:55:38]  Get the fuck out!
[01:55:39]  No, no, you leave.
[01:55:41]  You leave.
[01:55:42]  You go.
[01:55:43]  I'm not smoke bombing.
[01:55:44]  This time, you go.
[01:55:45]  Yeah, I insist you smoke bomb yourself out of here.
[01:55:47]  You leave!
[01:55:48]  If you need a nice, solid piece of evidence that this Patrick Berge guy might be a little bit nuts, I present to you that sentence.
[01:55:55]  He's suggesting the iPhone is nefarious because it was released sometime close to when this IIA memo came out.
[01:56:01]  And because the Tea Party got really upset about quote-unquote Obama phones fairly shortly after the Smithmont Modernization Act.
[01:56:08]  They're somehow related.
[01:56:09]  This is not well-ordered thinking.
[01:56:11]  This is a person essentially making random connections between dots so he can tell the story that he wants to.
[01:56:16]  You do not get to just point to two things that happened around the same time and then smugly claim that you've made your point that they're connected.
[01:56:23]  Sure, the memo and the release of the first iPhone both happened in June 2007.
[01:56:28]  But if we go ahead and play that game, I could say, like just for an example, that the car attack on the Glasgow International Airport that happened that same month was in retaliation for the previous day's release of the movie Ratatouille.
[01:56:41]  That sounds right.
[01:56:42]  I could do it.
[01:56:42]  That sounds right.
[01:56:43]  I'm going to be honest.
[01:56:45]  Glasgow...
[01:56:45]  Hated that movie.
[01:56:47]  If they weren't connected, why did they happen close to the same time?
[01:56:50]  I think, I can't see any reason why you, or how you could disprove that.
[01:56:54]  The Smith-Mont connection is even more bizarre.
[01:56:56]  Those two things are absolutely not connected.
[01:56:59]  If Obama had given everyone radios with dials that were broken and only picked up Voice of America, then maybe you could make an argument here.
[01:57:06]  But as it stands, this is one of the most, like, first...
[01:57:08]  Subtly racist ways this conspiracy theory is starting to manifest, and it's a pretty stark example of Berge's thinking not being based in reality.
[01:57:16]  I was wondering when we were going to get to racism.
[01:57:19]  I knew it was coming.
[01:57:19]  It had to.
[01:57:20]  There was no way that we weren't going to get any racism here.
[01:57:22]  It had to, and we landed there, and then now it's like, okay, floodgates are open.
[01:57:28]  Oh, no.
[01:57:28]  He also suggested that the contiguous release of the Obamaphone with an unlimited data plan played a significant role in fostering the Ferguson riots using IAA.
[01:57:41]  Burn his bitch down!
[01:57:47]  So, here's another instance of patently racist narrative building, enabled by outrageous dot connecting and living in a world devoid of standards of evidence.
[01:57:56]  The unrest in Ferguson took place in August 2014, and if you were asking me what prompted them, I would say that it was the inaction by the police against Officer Darren Wilson after he shot and killed Michael Brown.
[01:58:07]  The community was unhappy about the shooting and how it was being handled, and this didn't come out of nowhere.
[01:58:11]  There's a pattern of racist policing in the city that you can learn more about if you care at all.
[01:58:16]  If you don't, you can take that video of a woman talking about Obama phones from late 2012 and notice that she's black, as are a lot of the protesters in Ferguson, so the stories must be connected.
[01:58:25]  Oh boy.
[01:58:26]  People who are interested in doing a good job don't accept things like this as being anything other than an indication of someone not being a person they can rely on for solid information.
[01:58:35]  This response could go a long way toward explaining a pattern of stonewalling that Patrick Berge feels like he's received from all the elites who are afraid of him because they use his technology to control people.
[01:58:48]  This whole thing of him...
[01:58:51]  What I'm trying to get at is Millie responding humoringly or acceptingly I don't think is a common thing that Patrick Berge receives.
[01:59:03]  I think that there's a pattern In his life.
[01:59:07]  Of people quote-unquote stonewalling him.
[01:59:09]  Sure.
[01:59:10]  Because they're scared of his information.
[01:59:11]  Terrified.
[01:59:12]  When in reality, they're responding appropriately.
[01:59:14]  Yeah.
[01:59:15]  On his website, he posted a quote elevator version of his story that reads like an angry nonsensical telling of a weirdo trying to get attention.
[01:59:23]  Here are some of the passages that I think are a little bit illuminating.
[01:59:25]  If it's an elevator pitch, there should only be one passage, Dan.
[01:59:29]  The fact that you said passages suggests to me this is either a long elevator or I want to leave.
[01:59:34]  I said it's fucking long.
[01:59:35]  Oh, God.
[01:59:35]  I'm not going to read all of it.
[01:59:36]  No, I know, but there exists more than one passage.
[01:59:39]  Oh, my God, so much.
[01:59:40]  Yeah.
[01:59:41]  Quote, think of the Shadow Net as a social media fake news project management tool that the Washington Post has known about since at least 2017 when I first worked with WAPO's Craig Timberg and a few others.
[01:59:51]  They killed my story after about a month of going back and forth.
[01:59:55]  Berge says that they killed his story, but I would guess that they tried to report on it, looked into some of the things he was claiming, and realized they were talking to a conspiracy theorist weirdo.
[02:00:03]  The documentary we're talking about only exists because people like Millie don't do that kind of work before they accept information and decide that it's worth reporting on.
[02:00:12]  Quote, the Senate Judiciary Committee were the only ones that actually spoke to me.
[02:00:16]  They had two investigators interview me in a private room for about 45 minutes, but I never heard from them again.
[02:00:22]  If that's even true, and the investigators did interview Bergie, you can easily see how this exchange might have been experienced differently from their perspective and from his.
[02:00:33]  The only reason it lasted 45 minutes was they were having a great time.
[02:00:39]  They were laughing.
[02:00:39]  That is exactly what happened.
[02:00:41]  Quote.
[02:00:42]  I believe the House and Senate members have submitted multiple memorandums of record sworn and signed under penalty of the False Claims Act and ignored were ShadowNet customers.
[02:00:51]  I'm open to any other fact-based argument, but thus far, I haven't heard it.
[02:00:56]  I've literally spoken to Matt Gaetz and Lindsey Graham, both of whom promised me at the time they would help.
[02:01:01]  Then crickets.
[02:01:03]  You can see how inaction on anyone's part can easily become proof that they themselves are in on the conspiracy, which is a dangerous feature of unchecked delusional paranoia.
[02:01:13]  The problem is that when you engage with the world on these terms, you're essentially creating a system where no matter what feedback you get, your conclusion is proven correct.
[02:01:21]  If you go tell Matt Gaetz about this stuff and he takes it seriously, you can work with that.
[02:01:25]  If he ignores you, then he's probably secretly in on the conspiracy against you.
[02:01:29]  If he speaks out against you about how This information doesn't check out, then he's definitely in on the conspiracy.
[02:01:36]  Totally!
[02:01:37]  This is a big feature to look out for when you're engaging with conspiracy shit.
[02:01:41]  If it's constructed in ways where no matter what happens, the conspiracy theorist is correct, that should be a red flag.
[02:01:47]  This is like how Alex will warn about an imminent attack by Antifa on multiple police stations across the country, knowing that when nothing happens, he can claim his coverage stopped the attack.
[02:01:56]  Do not trust people who act that way.
[02:01:58]  Yeah, that's usually bad.
[02:02:00]  This last passage is particularly dramatic, and it's a little bit longer, but I think it's worth it.
[02:02:06]  Patrick Berge sees Dan Bongino's show on TV, and he likes some of the anti-Hillary coverage that he's seeing, but he thinks that Dan doesn't have the full story.
[02:02:15]  Oh boy.
[02:02:17]  Quote, not knowing who to trust, I felt a strong, almost calling, if you will, that I needed to meet Dan Bongino, look him in the eye, and see if he would help me or turn me away.
[02:02:26]  Some people have suggested I did this as a gotcha moment or wanted to embarrass Dan or set him up, but nothing could have been further from the truth.
[02:02:33]  I was hoping he would help, but I didn't know if he was a good guy or a bad guy.
[02:02:38]  And I didn't trust Sarah.
[02:02:39]  That's a person who he had reached out to who was apparently, I think she might have been working for Judge Jeanine Pirro.
[02:02:45]  Sure.
[02:02:45]  He got snubbed by Pirro, too.
[02:02:47]  He was not happy about that.
[02:02:48]  I wasn't questioning Bongino's honor.
[02:02:50]  I was counting on him having it.
[02:02:52]  So I reached out to a Patreon supporter, hoping to find a way to get a $450 VIP ticket to see Dan Bongino, who was the keynote speaker at an event in Naples, Florida.
[02:03:02]  I still owe $100 to the commission!
[02:03:06]  Obviously, this was a very long shot, but to my absolute surprise and amazement, a Patreon supporter, Susan, who had been very helpful in getting me to D.C. to file my QTAM, which is a lawsuit he filed, purchased a ticket for both of us.
[02:03:20]  Along with airline tickets to join me!
[02:03:23]  I picked Susan up at the Tampa airport Thursday morning and we drove straight to the event.
[02:03:27]  Well, there was a slight detour to the Everglades when I missed the Naples exit on 75 South, but that's another story for itself on another day.
[02:03:35]  This elevator...
[02:03:37]  I am no longer interested in whatever floor I'm going to.
[02:03:43]  I'm no longer hitting the emergency button.
[02:03:46]  I'm opening the doors by hand.
[02:03:48]  It's a bit exhausting.
[02:03:50]  Crawling through the tiniest hole that I can get to.
[02:03:54]  I need to get out of this elevator as soon as possible.
[02:03:57]  Yeah.
[02:03:58]  We got there and registered at the event.
[02:04:00]  As we walked around, we met some pretty interesting people that had showed up and paid a lot of money to get their picture with Dan Bongino.
[02:04:07]  But Susan and I were there for another reason.
[02:04:09]  I needed to look Dan in the eye and see for myself if he had honor and integrity, or if he was just another member of the DC Swamp.
[02:04:15]  And then get a picture.
[02:04:17]  A few days later, Dan blocked me on Twitter.
[02:04:22]  The metaphorical equivalent of hitting the emergency button on the elevator.
[02:04:27]  So at least I have an answer to the honor question.
[02:04:30]  Zero.
[02:04:34]  Susan described what she saw when I first told Dan who I was as fear.
[02:04:38]  She felt Dan was afraid of something when he saw me, and I felt the same thing.
[02:04:42]  Having followed Dan for a couple years now, I felt he would have respected someone meeting him face to face, as social media can't be trusted.
[02:04:49]  And I felt like he would respect someone with the guts to ask him directly.
[02:04:52]  Little did I know he was a snowflake.
[02:04:54]  Being that Dan's actions were completely opposite of what he preaches on his daily show, I can only assume he's being paid off or simply in fear of losing his Fox News contract.
[02:05:04]  Again, I'm open to any other fact-based suggestion.
[02:05:07]  You really don't think he is, Dan.
[02:05:08]  But I haven't heard any reasonable argument so far to convince me otherwise.
[02:05:12]  Here's what I got for you, buddy.
[02:05:14]  Here's the most reasonable argument I can give to you.
[02:05:16]  Okay.

=== Suspicious Connections (15:31) ===

[02:05:17]  You're a dick.
[02:05:19]  There is a fact-based argument.
[02:05:21]  People want to get away.
[02:05:22]  That is a fact-based argument.
[02:05:25]  You're freaking people out.
[02:05:25]  I call incontrovertible.
[02:05:27]  So, yeah, I think you might be right, and he might be less open to reasonable arguments than he might think.
[02:05:32]  So this dude's telling of his own story is just littered with interactions like that from the external perspective sound totally normal, just like people being freaked out by this guy who's probably intensely telling them about a conspiracy theory that he insists they have to take on.
[02:05:46]  I would guarantee he's a close talker, too.
[02:05:49]  I've never met him, but everything I've been able to gather from this documentary, his writing, and the interviews I've seen lead me to suspect that I would probably act exactly the same way as people like Dan Bongino or Matt Gaetz, and I am not a Shadow Net customer.
[02:06:03]  That's true.
[02:06:04]  That is true.
[02:06:04]  I barely tweet.
[02:06:05]  Yeah, yeah, that is true.
[02:06:07]  I mean, you had a tweet a while back.
[02:06:11]  A few months ago.
[02:06:12]  Can't remember the last time.
[02:06:14]  So yeah, I think that he's used to this.
[02:06:19]  And he's getting a sympathetic ear from Millie.
[02:06:23]  And that's bad.
[02:06:26]  Now it's time to go hog wild.
[02:06:27]  And so racism comes about.
[02:06:30]  Anyway, Black Lives Matter is run from Ukraine.
[02:06:33]  Why do you think they were targeting them for collection purposes?
[02:06:38]  When it says them, this is still an extension of the conversation about Obamaphones and the black community.
[02:06:44]  Just black people in general.
[02:06:45]  We're calling them them now.
[02:06:47]  Think of what you could do, right?
[02:06:51]  Think of how easily you could start a riot in Cleveland if you had the data.
[02:07:00]  Oh, my goodness.
[02:07:01]  So you could gather that information and know how to psychologically target them to get them upset?
[02:07:07]  Ooh, I've got an idea.
[02:07:09]  Do you think that they were pushing information to them, like tailoring their viewpoint on social media?
[02:07:17]  I would.
[02:07:18]  And when I, like I said...
[02:07:20]  So now I don't like you even more.
[02:07:21]  earlier but I originally in 2014 I recognized Black Lives Matter movement during the Michael Brown riots is being influenced by IIA a colleague of mine in South Korea did a
[02:07:40]  No.
[02:07:53]  So, a couple things to point out about that clip.
[02:07:56]  The first is that Patrick Berge is being asked if black communities are being targeted by these IIA programs through things like Obama phones, and his response is that, I would.
[02:08:06]  That's a very suspicious response on his part.
[02:08:09]  The second thing here, Jordan.
[02:08:11]  Yes.
[02:08:11]  Is that I need way, way more details about this supposed tracking of his alleged South Korean co-worker did.
[02:08:18]  So Berge saw the events unfolding in Ferguson and around the country prompted by what happened in Ferguson, and he decided that it looked like it must be IIA.
[02:08:26]  Then, an unnamed colleague did a, quote, trace route on something that Berge thought was IIA and tracked that to Ukraine.
[02:08:34]  What does that mean?
[02:08:36]  What is the thing he traced?
[02:08:37]  There's no details on any of this.
[02:08:39]  It could be anything.
[02:08:40]  I searched his website for Ferguson.
[02:08:42]  I didn't have any information.
[02:08:43]  I couldn't find any specifics.
[02:08:45]  I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
[02:08:47]  Because Millie just sucks as an interviewer.
[02:08:49]  She doesn't ask any follow-up questions on this.
[02:08:52]  And I strongly, strongly suspect that on some level she knows this whole thing falls apart under scrutiny.
[02:08:57]  So she knows not to push.
[02:08:59]  Don't ask questions.
[02:09:00]  Yeah, not to push.
[02:09:03]  Okay, so what you're telling me...
[02:09:05]  Is that the government, the DOD, is running these psyops to get communities to riot whenever they want to, right?
[02:09:16]  Yeah, I guess that's a fair assessment of some of the activities, yeah.
[02:09:21]  Okay, now that seems like a hat on a hat for me.
[02:09:24]  Because one way to get communities to riot, I've found, is to start a country based on enslaving an entire race of people.
[02:09:32]  Then, when that slavery is over...
[02:09:34]  Create different ways to continue enslaving those people.
[02:09:37]  And those last forever.
[02:09:39]  And then just start straight up murdering them over and over and over again.
[02:09:44]  That is something...
[02:09:45]  I mean, leaving aside the sort of grander picture that you're talking about, the inciting events of these things are just dismissed entirely by the analysis that's being provided by Millie and Bergie, which I think is weird.
[02:09:58]  I think it's weird.
[02:10:00]  And distasteful.
[02:10:01]  Just the internet?
[02:10:02]  Not just...
[02:10:02]  Not maybe...
[02:10:04]  A cop murdering somebody?
[02:10:05]  Well, I mean, hey.
[02:10:07]  I don't know.
[02:10:08]  Okay.
[02:10:08]  Anyway, I'm going to skip this next clip because I don't really give a shit, but it's just basically Patrick Berge talking about how the Dirty Dossier was created by people who are all connected to this.
[02:10:19]  Put it in a digital Dropbox to bring it all back to the beginning.
[02:10:22]  The Shadow Net created the Dirty Dossier.
[02:10:25]  Right.
[02:10:25]  And John McCain was a big Shadow Net customer.
[02:10:27]  That's why he was killed.
[02:10:28]  All this.
[02:10:29]  We're going to get to a really shocking revelation in a little bit.
[02:10:32]  But first, we need to talk a little bit about Tori.
[02:10:36]  It turns out that...
[02:10:38]  Well, let's just say that this isn't the first rodeo that she's had with Millie.
[02:10:44]  And I know that, because I'm not an idiot.
[02:10:47]  I know Millie's work.
[02:10:49]  But if you didn't, this next clip wouldn't come off weird at all.
[02:10:54]  But it's very weird.
[02:10:56]  The Obama aid package in Ukraine, which corresponds with Joe Biden's billion-dollar loan guarantee scandal, is the same aid package where Seidel got a field office in Kyiv to provide election training and election management for the Ukrainian Election Commission.
[02:11:14]  Seidel is one of the most notorious outsource companies for elections, with regular electronic voting machine problems who also tabulate our election results in cloud services in Europe, a.k.a.
[02:11:29]  servers outside the United States.
[02:11:31]  A whistleblower leaked to me in 2019 internal documents from Seidel that appeared to show meddling in the Kentucky election.
[02:11:41]  So, I don't particularly care about the dot-connecting nonsense about this company because nothing that she's saying proves anything, and I don't want to get lost in the weeds.
[02:11:48]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:11:49]  That clip brings up something a bit more important and very suspicious, though.
[02:11:52]  Millie says that she had a source on her story about her belief that the Kentucky election in 2019 was stolen, but she doesn't name the source.
[02:11:59]  If you go and consult the Infowars articles that Millie released about this subject, it all traces back to one source.
[02:12:05]  A Kentucky journalist named Tori.
[02:12:08]  Spelled T-O-R-E, which is how this woman in this...
[02:12:11]  Gotcha.
[02:12:12]  This is the same person who's the second interview subject in this documentary, so it seems very suspicious that the subject of the Kentucky election is coming up, it's being raised, but that Millie isn't saying that the person who was her primary source on that story happens to be the person who's the primary source on this story, probably because that would be fucking suspicious as shit.
[02:12:31]  Yeah.
[02:12:32]  So the fake name is the real name.
[02:12:37]  I mean, that's her alias.
[02:12:38]  She goes by that online.
[02:12:39]  I think her show is called, like, Tory Says or something.
[02:12:43]  That whole story about the Kentucky election, it was based on Tory making an allegation that though she lives in North Dakota and is a Republican, she and her husband, who is not a citizen, were on the voter rolls as registered Democrats in Kentucky.
[02:12:56]  She insisted that this was proof that the Democrats were filling the voter rolls with fake votes to steal the election, and Millie reported on this story incessantly.
[02:13:04]  Unfortunately, ProPublica looked into this and found that, quote, their Kentucky registration forms show that both checked the box for Democrat when they registered to vote in Fayette County in 2008.
[02:13:13]  Her husband, who Lindeman, that's her real last name, claims is not a citizen, also signed the form in 2008, which requires signers to attest that they are U.S. citizens.
[02:13:23]  Lying on the form carries a penalty of fines or jail time of up to 12 months.
[02:13:27]  The couple, records show, have never removed themselves from the roles or changed their registration status until November 8th of this year, which is when she began tweeting.
[02:13:37]  No!
[02:13:38]  No!
[02:13:39]  Her story didn't stand up to even basic journalistic scrutiny, which is why it's widely reported on Infowars by Millie Weaver, who doesn't do that difficult stuff, like looking into things before reporting on them.
[02:13:50]  As it turns out, this person, Tori, is a woman named Terpsichore Lindemann.
[02:13:54]  And she seems to be someone who might be a little bit out there.
[02:13:57]  Terpiscord is a great name.
[02:13:58]  I like it.
[02:13:59]  Yeah, I like it too.
[02:14:00]  In 2018, she found herself under investigation by the North Dakota Attorney General, quote, after a consumer protection division received a media inquiry about claims made by Miris Lindemann, that's her hyphenated last name, in fundraising solicitations for a holiday concert supposedly to benefit charities.
[02:14:18]  In Minote, which is the city she lives in in North Dakota.
[02:14:21]  Man, you get down to the bottom and you find a grift.
[02:14:25]  Yep.
[02:14:25]  You find a grifter.
[02:14:26]  They're always there!
[02:14:27]  There were some concerns because she was presenting herself and her business, which is called a Magic City Christmas, as a charitable organization, but it wasn't registered as such with the Secretary of State, which is required to solicit charitable donations.
[02:14:40]  According to the Attorney General's investigation, quote, Affiliation with both the Bank of North Dakota and the City of Minot in her solicitations.
[02:14:54]  Without permission, or even after being advised that the Bank of North Dakota could not be a sponsor, Maras Lindemann used the bank's logo in her website solicitations, magiccitychristmas.com.
[02:15:05]  She also used the coin of the City of Minot in her website and Facebook page, even after the city had repeatedly asked her to remove it.
[02:15:13]  Morass Lindemann ignored the city's attempts to contact her, and as a result, on October 27, 2017, the city of Minot was forced to issue a press release disclaiming any involvement with Morass Lindemann or A Magic City Christmas.
[02:15:27]  Even after the supposed benefit concert was then cancelled, Morass Lindemann continued to sell items, now claiming the proceeds were intended for homeless shelters.
[02:15:36]  From what I can tell from the press release from the Attorney General, it appears that Tory was self-dealing a little bit here.
[02:15:42]  Quote, Strange.
[02:15:56]  Strange.
[02:15:57]  There is also evidence to suggest that when her personal bank account funds were depleted, Maras Lindeman made personal expenditures from the donated funds account.
[02:16:11]  Shady stuff.
[02:16:12]  See, now this is the type of person that would believe it only takes $160,000 to take down Congress.
[02:16:19]  You know?
[02:16:20]  Yeah.
[02:16:21]  So just after all this stuff in 2018, Tory decided to run for mayor of Minot.
[02:16:26]  Why wouldn't you?
[02:16:27]  You've already got the coin.
[02:16:29]  And she used the Make Minot Great Again as her campaign slogan.
[02:16:34]  Of course she did.
[02:16:34]  According to the Minot Daily News coverage of the election results, she did not make it to the ballot.
[02:16:39]  I'm not sure if not being on the ballot is related to this or not, but a fellow Minot resident created a Change.org petition titled, quote, Prohibit Tory Maras Lindeman from running for mayor in Minot, North Dakota.
[02:16:52]  I think that's a great idea.
[02:16:53]  From the petition, quote, A petition is being started because it's felt that this individual is a concern for the well-being of our city and the people that reside within it.
[02:17:01]  Yes, 100%.
[02:17:02]  Due to harassment using multiple pages, parentheses, via social media platforms, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, to name a few.
[02:17:09]  Liable, lying about city officials, and claiming several credentials that have been proven to be false, including that of stolen valor.
[02:17:15]  A number of concerned citizens would like this shut down before any more damage can possibly be done.
[02:17:21]  The petition goes on to say, quote, several of us concerned citizens have contacted them, meaning Tory, on their social media campaign, educating them on such things as tax laws and how they work, only to be personally attacked in such a manner that said citizens were accused of being pedophiles.
[02:17:38]  Sounds pretty familiar.
[02:17:39]  Yeah, I've heard something like that.
[02:17:41]  Hey, Dan, sounds familiar, doesn't it?
[02:17:44]  When I try to find some indications about, like, where this person came from prior to this weird charity thing and running for mayor, I find myself a little perplexed.
[02:17:54]  For instance, in 2011, her name appears in the University of Kentucky's brochure for their showcase of undergraduate scholars.
[02:18:01]  At the time, she was an undergraduate in biology, and she gave an oral presentation on, quote, microgravity as a method of therapy for acute spinal cord injury to decrease secondary damage.
[02:18:11]  All right, that sounds like bullshit.
[02:18:12]  I don't think it is.
[02:18:13]  Oh, okay, cool.
[02:18:14]  I think it's actual, like, legitimate undergraduate research.
[02:18:18]  Wow!
[02:18:18]  What threw me for a loop, though, was her Medium page.
[02:18:22]  She has a Medium blog.
[02:18:23]  All right.
[02:18:24]  She had a blog, and she's posted sporadically since 2014, and it's really actually remarkable the shift you can see just from this glimpse.
[02:18:32]  Her first essay was titled, quote, USA Language Confidential, A Nation Built by Immigrants.
[02:18:38]  This is a thoughtful essay about her life early on as a first-generation Greek-American, and the insight that gave into how challenging it can be when you don't speak English well enough to enjoy many of the same things that native speakers do, like full healthcare privacy.
[02:18:52]  She's pretty blunt about her sport for immigrants and her distaste for nationalist sentiment, saying, quote, The United States of America was built by immigrants.
[02:19:00]  This is a country with no official language.
[02:19:02]  Keep that in mind next time you think of blurting out, this is America, and then in parentheses, with a redneck accent.
[02:19:09]  This post from 2014 doesn't have any indication...
[02:19:11]  Get rid of the parentheses, just my advice.
[02:19:13]  Sure.
[02:19:14]  You can still edit it.
[02:19:15]  It's medium.
[02:19:16]  Sure.
[02:19:17]  This post from 2014 doesn't have any indication of involvement in any of the clandestine spooky things that she claims, although she should have been deeply involved in all that by this point.
[02:19:26]  She told Millie that John Brennan had her stage the passport hack back in 2008, but also in this same medium post, she says, quote, So, much of this doesn't make sense.
[02:19:53]  In 2008, she's supposed to have been in medical school, but also working for John Brennan to make fake passport hacks.
[02:19:59]  Also, she was a biology undergraduate in 2011 at the University of Kentucky, but also in med school at...
[02:20:04]  2008.
[02:20:06]  Maybe she meant pre-med in 2008 and just called it med school, so I'm gonna go ahead and ignore that as a problem for the timeline, but I have some very serious doubts about the Brennan stuff based on this.
[02:20:16]  See, now, again, this is...
[02:20:18]  Scrub your page, man.
[02:20:22]  Scrub your page!
[02:20:22]  It would have been wise.
[02:20:23]  That's all you gotta do!
[02:20:25]  Her next two posts on Medium are about the same topic.
[02:20:28]  language interpreters and their importance in the medical field.
[02:20:31]  She makes some decent points about the difficulties that are involved in medical interpreting.

=== Shift in Tone (12:21) ===

[02:20:35]  You know, it's very specific types of language.
[02:20:37]  Sure, sure, sure.
[02:20:37]  And she even uses sensitive, appropriate language, like referring to people served by interpreters as, quote, limited English proficient persons.
[02:20:45]  By August 2016, the entire tone shifts.
[02:20:49]  Previously, the extent of the politics on her inner writing had to do with issues like language interpreters and her feelings about Greece's financial situation, speaking as someone of Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
[02:20:59]  On August 1, 2016, she posted an entry titled, quote, There are only two options you have to choose.
[02:21:06]  This is a completely different writing style that comes off like an unhinged rant against Hillary Clinton, whereas the previous posts were fairly thoughtful and decently well written.
[02:21:16]  This entry is littered with accusations of things like Webster Hubble secretly being Chelsea Clinton's father, a bunch of other Larry Nichols-ass stuff.
[02:21:25]  She's clearly putting out a very strongly pro-Trump message here, but there are a few things that are curious in their absence.
[02:21:30]  In the blog post, there's no insinuation or even suggestion of inside knowledge about the players and the whole thing.
[02:21:36]  The name John Brennan doesn't even come up, which seems weird.
[02:21:40]  Another thing that's interesting about this post is that her use of language completely changes.
[02:21:45]  While I read this passage about the issue of the wall, please remember that previously her blog had been a bunch of posts about protecting immigrant communities who had built this country, and she went out of her way to use terminology like lesser English proficient, to describe people who speak a different primary language.
[02:22:02]  Now, in August, quote, considering that it is really difficult to hide a poppy plantation to make heroin in the United States, we can only assume that it is smuggled in from Canada and Mexico.
[02:22:12]  Building a wall will disallow such a drug to come in so easily.
[02:22:15]  Also, it will help regulate immigration both legal and illegal.
[02:22:19]  Win-win.
[02:22:19]  I don't see why everyone has a problem with defining borders and ensuring we know who's coming into our country.
[02:22:25]  You have a fence around your house and outline your land.
[02:22:27]  You have a door to your house to control who comes in.
[02:22:29]  Why is it so wrong to want it the same for the country?
[02:22:32]  Is it a ploy by Trump's opponent to pander to the Latino, or shall I say, Taco Bowl community?
[02:22:38]  Yes, Taco Bowl is how the DNC refers to Latinos.
[02:22:42]  Second-class citizens in their eyes that deserve no respect.
[02:22:45]  Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall.
[02:22:46]  They will!
[02:22:47]  They owe us money, so instead of cashing in, they will build the wall.
[02:22:50]  It's that simple.
[02:22:51]  Okay, so either she got YouTubed and went down the algorithm and lost her mind, or all of her scams started failing, so she was like, I'm clever enough to right-wing grift.
[02:23:09]  I don't know.
[02:23:10]  Yeah.
[02:23:11]  No, no.
[02:23:11]  I'm not asking you.
[02:23:13]  I'm saying that these are the possibilities.
[02:23:15]  To be fair, though, this post...
[02:23:17]  That really shows a shift from the previous post.
[02:23:20]  Sure.
[02:23:21]  It's in August 2016, and the charity thing is in 2018, 2017.
[02:23:25]  Oh, okay.
[02:23:26]  It's later.
[02:23:27]  Yeah, okay.
[02:23:28]  So this is sort of a pre-log to some of that.
[02:23:32]  I don't know.
[02:23:33]  I can't tell you what happened or why any of this is going on, just that there's this trail and make of it what you will.
[02:23:39]  Yeah, wild.
[02:23:40]  This post is tonally very different from her early writing, which I find very suspicious.
[02:23:45]  It's also devoid of some of the thoughtfulness with which she previously approached the issue of medical interpreters.
[02:23:51]  Her analysis is now flat, completely nonsensical and following very dumb talking points like the idea that a border wall will stop Poppy from flooding in from Mexico and Canada.
[02:24:00]  That's the trick.
[02:24:01]  It's nonsense.
[02:24:02]  No, that's the trick.
[02:24:03]  That's what you do.
[02:24:04]  You build a wall.
[02:24:05]  There's also a rise in cruelty towards vulnerable groups that didn't appear before.
[02:24:09]  Her previous posts contained empathy towards immigrants who face unique challenges in their lives here.
[02:24:14]  Now she's ranting about stuff like this.
[02:24:16]  Quote, there should be no, capital no, discussion on this.
[02:24:20]  Why not shut our borders down completely?
[02:24:23]  Kick out all the illegal aliens.
[02:24:25]  Keyword illegal, meaning not legal, meaning under law, meaning breaking the law.
[02:24:29]  How hard is the word illegal for someone to understand?
[02:24:33]  Ooh.
[02:24:34]  Even though she probably thinks she's making a meaningful distinction by calling undocumented immigrants illegal, this really highlights what seems to be a complete change in her perspective.
[02:24:42]  It's ugly, it's mean, and it would basically require an immigrant Gestapo just to put into place, which I guess she would be fine with.
[02:24:50]  I don't know.
[02:24:50]  Okay, so what don't people...
[02:24:52]  Okay, Dan.
[02:24:53]  Dan?
[02:24:54]  Yeah.
[02:24:54]  Dan.
[02:24:55]  Dan, she wrote this?
[02:24:57]  August 4th, 2016.
[02:24:58]  August 1st.
[02:24:59]  August 1st.
[02:25:00]  And then in 2017...
[02:25:02]  She scammed people out of money with an illegal charity.
[02:25:07]  According to the North Dakota Attorney General.
[02:25:09]  What don't people understand about the word illegal, Dan?
[02:25:12]  Yeah.
[02:25:13]  In the lead up to the election, she was spinning all sorts of conspiracy yarns about Trump.
[02:25:17]  In one post, she says, quote, your vote counts.
[02:25:20]  Remember, we're voting against dead people, legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, and fictional people.
[02:25:25]  By this point, it seems like she's fully descended into that frame.
[02:25:28]  Yeah.
[02:25:29]  On November 7th, 2017, she posted an entry titled, quote, MAGA Movement a Year Later.
[02:25:35]  In this installment, she veers into religious ideology about Trump.
[02:25:38]  Quote, last year today, Franklin Graham asked people from around the globe to get together and pray for our president.
[02:25:44]  I firmly believe that he was elected because people prayed.
[02:25:47]  I don't care if you think prayers don't work.
[02:25:50]  And then in all caps, but they did.
[02:25:55]  So then you do care.
[02:25:57]  I guess.
[02:25:57]  The caps are weird.
[02:25:59]  This post is incredibly convoluted and attempts to portray some kind of empathy towards others as being what making America great is all about.
[02:26:06]  It's possible for an individual to think that, I guess, but largely there's a disconnect between that mentality and Trump's policy decisions.
[02:26:13]  Also in this post, I think Tory is advocating for businesses to pay higher taxes.
[02:26:18]  Quote, businesses big or small must listen to their communities.
[02:26:22]  They must take a position in putting their communities first.
[02:26:24]  You can't ride a crest of the MAGA movement without the boogie board, which is your contribution.
[02:26:29]  Seems like higher taxes would be the most effective way to distribute those boogie boards, but I'm guessing that's probably not what she's saying.
[02:26:35]  I don't think she was saying that, Dan.
[02:26:36]  No, but maybe we should have higher taxes.
[02:26:39]  What's missing from all of this previous writing is any indication of her alleged past working in secret intelligence contracting.
[02:26:46]  Around the time when she's supposed to have been in college at the University of Kentucky.
[02:26:51]  She spends all this time complaining and ranting about the Democrats and their meddling and trying to derail Trump, but there's no mention of John Brennan and not even the suggestion that she has first-hand experience with the very deep state forces that she's ranting about on her blog.
[02:27:05]  If I had to guess, I would say that's probably because that stuff wasn't part of her narrative yet.
[02:27:10]  This Medium page contains what essentially appear to be the writings of two different people.
[02:27:15]  But neither of them claim the backstory the Tory now claims.
[02:27:19]  The first person you see is an educated person who cares passionately about immigrants receiving appropriate linguistic assistance.
[02:27:25]  The second is a raving conspiracy lunatic.
[02:27:28]  There's probably a cautionary tale in here, but for our purposes, the change is less important than the fact that her own writing seems to directly contradict and definitely does not support her current claims.
[02:27:40]  Millie did literally none of the work that is involved in looking into her sources before repeating their claims, both about the Kentucky election and now about this bullshit, because Millie doesn't care about her work.
[02:27:50]  She's very bad at this stuff, she's a liar by trade, and she's even trying to obscure the fact that Tory, her expert witness here, was also the person that she based her story about the Kentucky elections on.
[02:28:03]  Because she knows that that's bad.
[02:28:06]  She knows that that wouldn't fly.
[02:28:07]  Yeah, that's very bad.
[02:28:08]  Yeah, people are like, come on, man.
[02:28:10]  Wow.
[02:28:10]  Yep.
[02:28:11]  Wow!
[02:28:12]  Yep.
[02:28:13]  So Tori's a complicated sort of view that I get, looking at the things that you're able to find about her.
[02:28:23]  It's tough, because, you know, sort of emotionally, your instinct is to think...
[02:28:29]  She just got fucked up by this information stream.
[02:28:33]  The algorithm gets people.
[02:28:36]  Something happened, and it sent her down a terrible path.
[02:28:40]  And that's certainly a possibility.
[02:28:42]  We've seen people be radicalized like that in the past.
[02:28:46]  It's not outside the realm of possibility, but I also think that that is probably a desire on our part to have an empathic...
[02:28:54]  Yeah.
[02:28:55]  Reasonable explanation for what happened.
[02:28:57]  Maybe there isn't an easy explanation.
[02:28:59]  I have no idea, but that Medium blog is upsetting.
[02:29:04]  I'm just so mad at her right now.
[02:29:09]  Not for all of the lying that she's doing in the documentary, but that she...
[02:29:13]  In the same way Millie doesn't have the impetus or will or is just too lazy to do...
[02:29:21]  The barest minimum of journalism.
[02:29:23]  She is too lazy to do the barest minimum of scrubbing your internet history before you start to become the source of a conspiracy theory documentary.
[02:29:34]  That's basic.
[02:29:36]  That's basic stuff.
[02:29:37]  If you're going to create a mythology for yourself, do it.
[02:29:42]  You know?
[02:29:44]  Yeah, I don't know.
[02:29:47]  Mythologies go back into the past.
[02:29:49]  They don't just start.
[02:29:50]  In 2019!
[02:29:52]  Or 2020, or whatever.
[02:29:54]  Oh, God.
[02:29:56]  I hate it.
[02:29:57]  It's weird.
[02:29:59]  It's weird.
[02:30:00]  Sloppy makes me 100% not believe any of the stuff that she says about...
[02:30:06]  I mean, I didn't believe it to begin with, but now...
[02:30:09]  I mean, if you're talking about, like, in 2008, you were in med school, and you were trying to work as a language interpreter, which you were really passionate about.
[02:30:19]  Right.
[02:30:19]  I find it hard to believe that at the exact same time, like, you were at the University of Kentucky, and then at the same time, you're supposedly working for a secret government contractor and infiltrating the Secretary of State here in Virginia.
[02:30:31]  Yeah.
[02:30:31]  Makes no sense.
[02:30:32]  Also, I don't know, like, I saw that...
[02:30:37]  Change.org petition that was making a claim of stolen valor.
[02:30:40]  And I don't know.
[02:30:41]  I have no idea if she claims that she's been in the military.
[02:30:44]  She very well may have.
[02:30:46]  There's a website where people can post the times that they were in the service and then try and find and connect with people that they served with.
[02:30:56]  Oh, yeah.
[02:30:56]  And so she has a page on there, but I don't know how much of that information is self-generated.
[02:31:01]  So I don't know.
[02:31:02]  Right.
[02:31:03]  I did use that to cross-reference the time that she was at the University of Kentucky, which is on her military meetup page.
[02:31:13]  So that exists on there.
[02:31:17]  Man, she is really not going to like how thorough and in-depth your destruction of every part of her life is.
[02:31:24]  But I also feel bad.
[02:31:25]  I don't fuck her!
[02:31:27]  Well, certainly.
[02:31:28]  I feel bad if...
[02:31:30]  The genesis of this is sincerely what you suspect, and it is somebody who got sucked down this radicalization pipeline.
[02:31:41]  But how much of that is misplaced empathy for someone who is now, according to the North Dakota Attorney General, actively scamming charity donations and being the centerpiece of bullshit propaganda Infowars documentaries.
[02:31:56]  So my empathy runs thin very fast.
[02:32:00]  I don't know.
[02:32:01]  It's tough.
[02:32:02]  And I think maybe some of the empathy is based on me thinking that she made some valid points in those early blog posts.
[02:32:08]  Sure, sure, sure.
[02:32:09]  And even some stuff that you don't consider all that much.
[02:32:13]  It's not stuff that's talked about very widely.
[02:32:15]  The needs that people who are not proficient in English have in specialized situations.
[02:32:22]  And it is probably a conversation that's relevant.
[02:32:25]  People should...
[02:32:26]  You know, I don't know exactly how much attention should be paid to it, but it's something relevant.
[02:32:32]  Yeah, I mean, it's hard.
[02:32:33]  It's always hard, I think, regardless of any situation, to see somebody with very clear potential to self-immolate.

=== Cambridge Analytica Controversies (15:34) ===

[02:32:43]  Yeah.
[02:32:44]  Like, I would have a lot more empathy for Millie if I looked into her and I found in the past that she had been, like, a championing crusader for, like, labor rights or something.
[02:32:53]  Totally.
[02:32:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:32:54]  You know, like, you have that beginning and, like, what happened?
[02:32:57]  How did we get here?
[02:32:58]  Right.
[02:32:58]  You know?
[02:32:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:33:00]  There but for the grace of God go I, because I empathize with the earlier version of her, which means that it's possible for me to turn into the later version of her, I suppose.
[02:33:09]  I wonder if it is that sort of selfishly based.
[02:33:13]  It could be.
[02:33:14]  It really could be.
[02:33:15]  Anyway, I think we're analyzing this too much.
[02:33:17]  She isn't.
[02:33:18]  She didn't even scrub the medium page.
[02:33:20]  Erase that medium page.
[02:33:21]  Jesus.
[02:33:24]  You get to talking here, this is just like a patently false claim about Robert Storch, who is the Inspector General of the NSA.
[02:33:35]  Milley makes a false claim about him, and I'm mic down for this because Tory says something that Milley should have fucking edited out of the documentary.
[02:33:43]  Obama nominates Robert Storch, who is working as Deputy IG of the DOJ under Horowitz at the same time.
[02:33:51]  I'm Rob Storch, and I'm honored to serve as the Inspector General at the National Security Agency.
[02:33:57]  During the transition period from the Obama administration into the Trump administration, Storch appears to never have actually been confirmed by the Trump administration.
[02:34:10]  How did this guy get confirmed?
[02:34:13]  Not one person asked, hey, have you ever worked for, I mean, a couple months before they even had the hearing to see if he's going to be confirmed or not.
[02:34:21]  Nobody asked him, hey, did you by any chance get an offer from the president of Ukraine to work for them?
[02:34:28]  It was all over the media, but not one person asked.
[02:34:31]  You know who else helped them set it up?
[02:34:33]  Bill Taylor and George Kent, those two clowns, also testified against the president.
[02:34:37]  One of them has supersonic hearing.
[02:34:40]  We're not on speakerphone.
[02:34:42]  Across the room.
[02:34:44]  So, that's odd.
[02:34:45]  That is odd.
[02:34:46]  That is odd, Dan!
[02:34:47]  You should have added that out.
[02:34:48]  I will tell you this right now.
[02:34:50]  That's an odd thing.
[02:34:51]  She's talking about that overheard phone call.
[02:34:54]  Yeah.
[02:34:55]  But the way she's describing it and the delivery makes it sound like she actually is saying that he has supersonic hearing.
[02:35:03]  Yes.
[02:35:03]  And I would have cut that out.
[02:35:06]  Yeah, that would be smart.
[02:35:07]  Also, what the fuck does Millie mean when she says, quote, Storch appears to have never been confirmed by the Trump administration?
[02:35:14]  What does appears mean there?
[02:35:16]  He appears to never have been confirmed.
[02:35:17]  This is a concrete fact you can look up.
[02:35:20]  As a writer, appears to never have been confirmed.
[02:35:24]  Not a good, not a good, not good.
[02:35:25]  That's weasley language.
[02:35:27]  Yeah, that's not good.
[02:35:27]  Was the guy confirmed or not?
[02:35:29]  Well, he appears to not have been confirmed.
[02:35:32]  To whom?
[02:35:33]  Me.
[02:35:33]  Okay.
[02:35:34]  Storch was the Deputy Inspector General at the DOJ beginning in March 2015.
[02:35:39]  At the end of his term, Obama nominated him to become the Inspector General of the NSA, and guess what?
[02:35:44]  In June 2017, Donald Trump re-nominated Robert Storch to be the Inspector General of the NSA.
[02:35:50]  Sure, sure.
[02:35:50]  He didn't have to do that.
[02:35:51]  He could have nominated somebody else, but Trump re-nominated the dude.
[02:35:55]  If you go to NSA.gov, it's super easy to find a press release dated December 22, 2017, that begins, quote, Admiral Michael S. Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, is pleased to announce the Senate confirmation of the president's nomination of Robert P. Storch as the inspector general for the National Security Agency.
[02:36:13]  So what does Millie mean when she says it appears that he was never confirmed?
[02:36:16]  Because from what I can tell, it very much appears that he was confirmed and that Trump re-nominated him for the post.
[02:36:21]  It appears to me that Millie is just talking shit to create a narrative here that means nothing.
[02:36:26]  That is what it would appear like to you.
[02:36:28]  Because you Googled it.
[02:36:31]  However, were I not to Google it, it appears that he has not been concerned.
[02:36:36]  Because I don't see it, Dan, up here!
[02:36:39]  Right.
[02:36:40]  There you go.
[02:36:41]  You brought up Cambridge Analytica earlier.
[02:36:44]  And it's interesting because Cambridge Analytica is really where this thing hits the NOS.
[02:36:50]  Really?
[02:36:51]  Cambridge Analytica comes up, and this is where it's just like, alright.
[02:36:56]  Okay, so do they not know anything about Cambridge Analytica to the point where Cambridge Analytica used what bullshit they're saying the other team is using to get Trump elected?
[02:37:06]  Aha.
[02:37:07]  Aha.
[02:37:08]  Aha, you're gonna love this.
[02:37:09]  Oh, goddammit, I hate them.
[02:37:11]  They were supposed to sway him because they were supposed to give up the goods to match the Russia hack.
[02:37:17]  Why would they be running an IA operation that would be helping Trump win?
[02:37:23]  Because that doesn't make sense when we know that General Jones is a Democrat and many of these people don't like Trump.
[02:37:31]  So, what gives?
[02:37:32]  Well, because then we just make it look like Russia was running the Cambridge Analytical Program, too.
[02:37:38]  Ah!
[02:37:39]  So, here, if you're keeping track, this is what the narrative is now.
[02:37:43]  Cambridge Analytica got...
[02:37:45]  We know who was running Cambridge Analytica!
[02:37:48]  We know!
[02:37:48]  We know their names!
[02:37:50]  Right, right.
[02:37:51]  We know where they live!
[02:37:52]  Right, right.
[02:37:53]  But they got attached to the Trump campaign to attack Trump.
[02:37:57]  See, Jordan, they surreptitiously use nefarious means to get Trump elected in order to later, later, they're able to blame the Russians for their nefarious activity, which would achieve the goal of making Trump not president, which he would only be because of their assistance.
[02:38:12]  See, it makes total sense.
[02:38:13]  Dan, Dan, Dan, the urine balloon dream is not doing it right now, Dan.
[02:38:17]  I am not doing well.
[02:38:20]  This...
[02:38:21]  Fuck off.
[02:38:22]  It is a long walk.
[02:38:23]  Oh, man.
[02:38:24]  It is a bit much.
[02:38:25]  Wow.
[02:38:26]  Yeah.
[02:38:26]  So, Cambridge Analytica, but also what's weird about this is that they are fully accepting that Cambridge Analytica did all this shady shit to get Trump elected.
[02:38:35]  So they're not really...
[02:38:36]  So the shady shit isn't the problem.
[02:38:38]  It's that they're not doing the shady shit the way...
[02:38:40]  Well, I mean, obviously the shady shit isn't the problem.
[02:38:42]  The other guy was like...
[02:38:44]  Yeah, that's what I would do.
[02:38:45]  The shady shit is accepted, and it's clearly the reason that Trump won, according to even this documentary.
[02:38:52]  But it was the globalists or whoever, they attached the Cambridge Analytica to Trump so that they could cheat to help Trump win, and then the cheating could later be blamed on Russians, and then Trump would be impeached.
[02:39:10]  And then Pence will be president or something.
[02:39:12]  I don't know.
[02:39:13]  Who cares?
[02:39:14]  This hurts the brain.
[02:39:16]  No, that's a very smart plan that has zero holes in it that would work 100% of the time.
[02:39:21]  Now, Jordan, here's where things get wild.
[02:39:24]  This is where things get wild!
[02:39:25]  Yes.
[02:39:26]  So, Cambridge Analytica was used to frame Trump in this universe.
[02:39:33]  Now, that has some implications that are difficult to get around.
[02:39:37]  Mic down for this.
[02:39:38]  Cambridge Analytica was used to create the appearance that Russia conducted influence operations to help Trump win the 2016 election.
[02:39:48]  Stone, Manafort, Davis, McCain, Jones, all of these people have been doing this for, to my knowledge, a decade of my personal fact witness knowledge.
[02:40:03]  They've been doing this for a decade prior to Trump even running for office.
[02:40:07]  I met with Roger Stone.
[02:40:09]  We were at his table at a speaking engagement that he did in Clearwater, Florida.
[02:40:13]  And I asked Roger Stone at that time, are you, you know, did you work with, do you know Jim Jones?
[02:40:20]  Did you work with Dynology?
[02:40:22]  And he acknowledged his relationship and said, yeah, sure.
[02:40:26]  I did ask.
[02:40:26]  I asked him flat out.
[02:40:28]  I said, did you use the shadow net?
[02:40:32]  Did you know about it?
[02:40:34]  He's like, no.
[02:40:35]  Stone, leaving the Trump campaign early on, suggests candidate Trump didn't want his campaign tied to Stone's influence operations.
[02:40:44]  What the fuck is happening?
[02:40:51]  So apparently, Roger Stone, not a hero now, or something.
[02:41:00]  If I know anything about the pattern that I've seen from Patrick Berge, I would suspect that when he said he met with Roger, that means he paid for a meet-and-greet ticket or something and then got an autograph and in the process asked him about ShadowNet and Roger said, what?
[02:41:18]  He harangued him probably for as long as he could.
[02:41:21]  Meanwhile, Millie works with Roger!
[02:41:25]  Is he trying to pretend that he hasn't worked at InfoWars for years?
[02:41:29]  Like, what kind of conversation is this about?
[02:41:32]  Like, Roger Stone is somebody who is known to have worked with ShadowNet and Dynology and is associated with his stuff for 10 years and IIA activities.
[02:41:41]  Does that not raise the question of what he was doing at InfoWars?
[02:41:45]  Shouldn't that be the next question?
[02:41:47]  The next place that you take your...
[02:41:49]  If you're...
[02:41:50]  This is unacceptable.
[02:41:52]  We...
[02:41:52]  Have reached stone for comment, by which I mean I walked down the hallway and asked him what he...
[02:42:00]  And he refused to be a part of this documentary, probably because it's too good.
[02:42:04]  Yeah.
[02:42:04]  He agreed to be on that PBS Frontline thing, but wouldn't return Patrick Berge's calls.
[02:42:10]  Really odd.
[02:42:11]  Yeah, so what's going on is in this sector of Infowars world, Roger isn't the same as in other ones.
[02:42:17]  In this one, he's more of a character that they can use.
[02:42:20]  Yeah, we're dealing with Marvel Universe kind of shit here.
[02:42:23]  We're in different timelines.
[02:42:25]  In this section, Roger is either a bad guy, maybe.
[02:42:29]  Probably not, though.
[02:42:30]  He's probably a good guy.
[02:42:31]  But he didn't know that he was being set up by these globalists who were using IIA to attach...
[02:42:39]  People like Roger and Paul Manafort to Trump's campaign, which would then later be used to impeach Trump or something.
[02:42:46]  Anyway, Manafort...
[02:42:47]  I'm just going to look at you angrily for a while now.
[02:42:51]  I deserve it.
[02:42:52]  I apologized to you at the beginning of this episode.
[02:42:54]  I know, I know, but now it's real bad.
[02:42:56]  So Manafort, he's an asset.
[02:42:59]  Sure.
[02:43:00]  Psy Group, through Paul Manafort, submitted a proposal to Trump's campaign.
[02:43:07]  Now Trump's campaign...
[02:43:08]  rejected the proposal.
[02:43:09]  I love that man, right?
[02:43:11]  That's why I keep voting for him.
[02:43:13]  Because even when he's given the opportunity to do that, he rejected it.
[02:43:18]  The Trump campaign must have known the Dems would try to use anything against them.
[02:43:23]  Trump must have sensed that the offer for influence operations was a honey trap to set him up.
[02:43:30]  Well, do you think that the reason they attached Manafort to Trump's campaign, because that was kind of later, right?
[02:43:36]  They attached him onto there.
[02:43:38]  Do you think it's because they were trying to frame up Trump?
[02:43:41]  Yes.
[02:43:41]  Because they failed with their IIA attempt.
[02:43:44]  Yeah, I definitely would say that Manafort was an asset.
[02:43:48]  Whether or not he fully understood what his role was, you know, they might have lied to him about what is true.
[02:43:58]  What their true intentions were.
[02:44:00]  Oh, great.
[02:44:00]  So now it looks like all the criminals that Trump surrounded himself weren't actually people he chose and liked.
[02:44:05]  They were people embedded in his campaign secretly by some vague and shadowy group.
[02:44:09]  They did it.
[02:44:11]  They made Manafort his campaign manager.
[02:44:14]  Trump is perfect, I tell you.
[02:44:15]  All of these giant fuck-ups are machinations of the evil globalists.
[02:44:18]  Who we weirdly aren't calling globalists in this documentary.
[02:44:22]  Also, between the election and Trump's inauguration in early January 2017, both Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon reportedly met with General Ahmad al-Asiri, a Saudi intelligence chief, and Joel Zamel, the head of Psy Group, as reported in the Daily Beast, which is the group...
[02:44:39]  That he's saying Trump turned down.
[02:44:42]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:44:43]  Another article in the Daily Beast about the Mueller investigation includes this.
[02:44:46]  Quote, Psy Group employees told the Daily Beast that they have been interviewed by the FBI, which asked about two Republicans other than Gates who had made overtures from Trump World to Psy Group in 2016.
[02:44:57]  Both represented themselves as members of Trump's inner circle.
[02:45:01]  I don't know, but it kind of sounds like there's more connections than just Paul Manafort being installed in the campaign in order to frame Trump.
[02:45:08]  Seems kind of like a bunch of people associated with Trump are interested in Psy Group.
[02:45:11]  I don't know what the reality is exactly, except this film is talking about his straight bullshit.
[02:45:18]  You know, Dan, yesterday at the memorial service, I told you before the show, the pastor who was doing the service gave a real long, awful, for the wages of sin is death, kind of...
[02:45:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:45:35]  Bible reading.
[02:45:36]  No, it's not.
[02:45:36]  It's the whole thing.
[02:45:38]  So I've been thinking about the Bible and my relation to it for a while since then.
[02:45:43]  And listening to this documentary, I was thinking, if Millie were there, I don't think Jesus would have said, he who is without sin may cast the first stone.
[02:45:56]  I think he would have been like...
[02:45:59]  This time...
[02:46:00]  We'll get him next time!
[02:46:02]  We're gonna do the turn the other cheek thing next time, but this time...
[02:46:05]  You present an interesting thought experiment.
[02:46:08]  I would say that as tough as it is for you listening to this...
[02:46:14]  Please pity me.
[02:46:17]  I have no pity for you.
[02:46:18]  I watched this multiple times.
[02:46:19]  Look, you made me do this.
[02:46:21]  That's a fair point.
[02:46:22]  You were allowed to say yes or no.
[02:46:24]  Look, there's bad people on both sides of this table.
[02:46:26]  Alright?
[02:46:27]  That's fair.
[02:46:28]  I won't cast dispersions or stones.
[02:46:30]  So, Millie has an interesting question for Tory here, and that is, alright, if these operations, these IIA operations were supposed to ensnare Trump, why didn't they just run ones to get Hillary elected?
[02:46:46]  And this is a dumb, dumb answer.
[02:46:49]  Explain this to me.
[02:46:49]  So why wouldn't they just focus their efforts on running IA operations to get Hillary in office?
[02:46:55]  Good question.
[02:46:56]  Oh, they did!
[02:46:57]  Are you kidding?
[02:46:58]  They deployed everything.
[02:46:59]  From censoring, shadow banning, to dismissals, to full-blown mockingbirds.
[02:47:07]  I mean, that's where we saw the real face of the press.
[02:47:10]  So...
[02:47:10]  I don't understand why these psychological operators would be deploying intense psychological operations for conflicting goals.
[02:47:20]  Like goals that aren't complementary to each other at all.
[02:47:24]  And one of them they don't want to achieve, apparently.
[02:47:27]  You are telling me with a straight face.
[02:47:30]  She's got a straight face, does she not?
[02:47:32]  Is she smiling?
[02:47:32]  Is this documentary like a joke?
[02:47:35]  That if you only listen to auditorily, you won't get it because they're too deadpanned?
[02:47:41]  I think someone's laughing.
[02:47:43]  Because someone's, as the British say, taking the piss.
[02:47:47]  Alright, explain to me why you would have government agencies, the same government agencies, contractors, working simultaneously against each other.

=== Pence In Charge? (03:31) ===

[02:47:59]  Well, it's the same people working against themselves.
[02:48:05]  For unclear goals.
[02:48:07]  So, I don't know, dude.
[02:48:08]  Look, it's really difficult to understand why anyone would ever operate this way outside of a comic book.
[02:48:14]  Yeah.
[02:48:14]  But, Patrick Berge comes in to clear it up a little bit.
[02:48:18]  Oh, thank you.
[02:48:18]  I need some clarification here.
[02:48:20]  He seems to think that the goal is to get Pence elected.
[02:48:25]  Basically.
[02:48:26]  What would be the point of, like...
[02:48:31]  Making Hillary out of the equation to then get Trump in to then want to just impeach him?
[02:48:37]  Good question.
[02:48:38]  Because he wasn't their choice.
[02:48:40]  These people hate Trump.
[02:48:41]  He's a jackass.
[02:48:43]  So...
[02:48:43]  We're talking about, at the time, you know, John McCain...
[02:48:45]  That would just make Pence in charge.
[02:48:47]  Well, which Pence?
[02:48:49]  You think John McCain would have rather had Pence in charge?
[02:48:52]  You think Lindsey Graham would rather have Pence?
[02:48:54]  Lindsey Graham was so frustrated with Trump, he took his phone and smashed it.
[02:49:04]  What a totally irrational response to be mad at someone who gives out your cell phone on television.
[02:49:11]  Yeah, that dude's nuts.
[02:49:13]  That dude's crazy.
[02:49:15]  I would say that based...
[02:49:19]  On the level of control and nefarious dealing that they're describing these people of being capable of, the simple solution would have been to run Pence and perform IIA operations in order to support him winning the presidency.
[02:49:35]  Or, if you don't want Pence, run Kasich.
[02:49:39]  Run anybody!
[02:49:41]  You can't have it both ways.
[02:49:43]  Oh, yes, you can do.
[02:49:45]  You can't have these people capable of these magical, otherworldly control.
[02:49:50]  And then also, like, the easy fix to the solution.
[02:49:53]  Like, all of these problems would have been like, oh, they should have just chosen somebody else.
[02:49:56]  Ah, but they couldn't because Trump was so much more powerful than the IIA things.
[02:50:02]  Oh, was he?
[02:50:03]  Yeah.
[02:50:04]  Okay.
[02:50:05]  Then why did they need to embed Cambridge Analytica?
[02:50:08]  Ah!
[02:50:09]  Here's what this documentary accidentally proves.
[02:50:13]  Trump is so bad at everything he does that in order to, at the very least, make him appear competent, you have to go to these lengths.
[02:50:28]  Yes, yes, that is true.
[02:50:29]  That is what it proves.
[02:50:30]  Trump is so bad, these people are killing their own brains trying to make him a good guy.
[02:50:35]  Yeah.
[02:50:36]  Wow.
[02:50:36]  Yeah.
[02:50:37]  So now we get to the beginning of some weird claims on Tori's part.
[02:50:44]  Don't say three hours in that we get to the beginning.
[02:50:47]  I'm gonna hit you.
[02:50:49]  There's a series of weird claims that she makes, and one of them is that she was in possession of parts of the DNC server that got hacked.
[02:50:58]  Sure, of course.
[02:50:59]  They went as hard as they could.
[02:51:01]  Stone, the same thing.
[02:51:02]  They went with nothing.
[02:51:04]  Like, look, Mueller called him in.
[02:51:06]  Right?
[02:51:06]  For these emails and talking about WikiLeaks, when I had actual portions of the DNC, like even Muller knew I had it.

=== Need More Evidence (03:43) ===

[02:51:15]  Okay, that's quite a claim.
[02:51:18]  That's quite a claim, and I'm going to need something on that, which is not provided at all.
[02:51:23]  I mean...
[02:51:24]  You could even just take a picture of a random surgeon.
[02:51:28]  Sure.
[02:51:28]  Why not?
[02:51:28]  That would be better than just saying it.
[02:51:31]  Take a picture of a fucking cloud outside and say it's the cloud.
[02:51:34]  Take a picture.
[02:51:34]  Take a picture.
[02:51:35]  You can take it.
[02:51:36]  You can fake this shit.
[02:51:37]  They're so lazy.
[02:51:38]  I don't care for this.
[02:51:40]  I'm going to need more.
[02:51:41]  I want a higher class of criminal, Dan.
[02:51:43]  Yeah.
[02:51:44]  So, Bergie seems mad.
[02:51:46]  This is also just in his sort of pattern here.
[02:51:49]  Why did Mueller never call me back?
[02:51:52]  When I went to him and told him about all this information.
[02:51:55]  I know why.
[02:51:56]  15 minutes.
[02:51:57]  Every one of these people are so corrupt.
[02:51:59]  It's not even funny.
[02:52:00]  I have a hunch as to why people would not call you back.
[02:52:03]  I wouldn't.
[02:52:04]  There is...
[02:52:06]  Sometimes...
[02:52:08]  You know, this goes beyond a cigar is just a cigar.
[02:52:12]  This goes beyond that to just fundamental, like, I have a foot.
[02:52:17]  Like, we're in situations.
[02:52:21]  We're dealing with object permanence.
[02:52:24]  That's what we're dealing with here.
[02:52:25]  Not even the acknowledgement of what an object is.
[02:52:27]  Here's the way I hear this stuff about Bergy's complaints about how people interact with him.
[02:52:33]  He seems to think that he has the goods on everything and all this, and no one takes him seriously because he talks to them and they're like, oh, there's no credibility to this at all.
[02:52:43]  I don't need to.
[02:52:44]  We'll look into this for a minute, and they're like, oh, no.
[02:52:46]  No, it doesn't check out.
[02:52:48]  This is like me being, like, insisting that I have the best three-point shot in the world.
[02:52:54]  Yeah.
[02:52:54]  And as a 36-year-old person, I keep going to talk to basketball teams and the NBA.
[02:53:00]  Totally.
[02:53:00]  And none of them will sign me.
[02:53:02]  And it's a conspiracy because they don't want me to take over the three-point game.
[02:53:06]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:53:06]  They know that my beard and my, like...
[02:53:09]  Like, I'm old.
[02:53:10]  Hey, it wouldn't be good.
[02:53:12]  It wouldn't be marketable.
[02:53:13]  It's against the narrative for them.
[02:53:15]  So they don't want me coming in there and wrecking shop from downtown.
[02:53:19]  And so every time I called, like, dude, I called the fucking Utah Jazz.
[02:53:26]  They wouldn't have me.
[02:53:27]  I called the Lakers.
[02:53:29]  And my age isn't a problem.
[02:53:30]  Vince Carter played until he's dead.
[02:53:33]  Exactly.
[02:53:34]  It sounds that way to me.
[02:53:36]  It's like, okay, I get you, because of sort of a twisting in your thinking, believe that that's accurate.
[02:53:43]  Yes.
[02:53:44]  But as an external observer, I'm seeing no evidence that you do, in fact, have a 100% from downtown jump shot.
[02:53:52]  Yeah, that's an issue.
[02:53:53]  Maybe that is your perception.
[02:53:55]  Could be.
[02:53:55]  And maybe these teams aren't interested in signing you for very valid reasons, like you don't know how to dribble.
[02:54:00]  Man, have you heard what some of these people say?
[02:54:03]  And you think that they're too inside for you?
[02:54:09]  Oh my god.
[02:54:12]  I can't breathe, Dan.
[02:54:14]  This is very hard.
[02:54:16]  So Millie gets back to talking about the passport hack.
[02:54:22]  And I got some problems.
[02:54:25]  From CGI's involvement in the passport fiasco in 2008 to CGI involved in the Mueller investigation.
[02:54:33]  We see how contractors have the ability to both perform and clean up their own dirty work.
[02:54:39]  We already discussed this, but in case you forgot, CGI was not involved in the passport issue back in 2008.

=== Man, You Heard About String Theory? (06:07) ===

[02:54:45]  That was Stanley Incorporated, which was acquired by CGI two years later.
[02:54:49]  Millie is trying to make a big deal out of their fingerprints being in two places, but at least one of those places she's misreporting.
[02:54:54]  I have no idea what specific claims are being made about CGI's intersection with the Mueller investigation.
[02:54:59]  But considering that they're an insanely diversified company that brings in an annual revenue of over $10 billion, I bet it's not outside the realm of possibility that they provided some kind of IT or systems consulting or something.
[02:55:12]  There's some subsidiary.
[02:55:13]  Unless Millie can be more specific about what they did and why it's suspicious, I'm not going on a wild goose chase.
[02:55:19]  At this point, I should probably say I'm not going on another wild goose chase because my dude chased a lot of geese in the last 48 hours.
[02:55:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:55:27]  I'm sick of geese.
[02:55:29]  Wow.
[02:55:29]  So, Tori, we've already heard her say that she had a piece of the DNC server.
[02:55:37]  Yes.
[02:55:37]  And here she gets into talking about how that came to be.
[02:55:42]  I would like to know that.
[02:55:43]  And this is where we dovetail into Seth Rich.
[02:55:45]  Okay.
[02:55:46]  I think it's about time people understand what happened.
[02:55:49]  And I've made it no secret that I know what happened.
[02:55:53]  So, Seth Rich worked for the DNC.
[02:55:56]  He was Axe, just like I. He was asked, Hey, why don't you go image the DNC server right there since you're there for us?
[02:56:08]  And he uploaded it where he was told.
[02:56:10]  So he uploaded it where he was supposed to.
[02:56:13]  There were a lot of me's that saw it.
[02:56:16]  Me's meaning group of friends that I have where we sit and talk string theory and predictive analytics.
[02:56:21]  Sure you do!
[02:56:24]  Sure.
[02:56:24]  So we find this and it's like, whoa, treasure trove!
[02:56:28]  Copied.
[02:56:30]  And we fractioned it, so that way we can download it, because it was so massive.
[02:56:36]  It's a server.
[02:56:37]  That's what happened.
[02:56:38]  I'll tell you what happened to Seth Rich.
[02:56:41]  Okay.
[02:56:42]  So, she was watching the upload of it, and mirrored it, and downloaded, fractioned parts of the DNC server.
[02:56:51]  I don't believe any of this.
[02:56:53]  All I see in my head is the image of like...
[02:56:56]  Some hefty older guy behind a big desk eating a hoagie for lunch and he just looks over and he's like, hey, why don't you go download some of that DNC stuff?
[02:57:09]  Yeah.
[02:57:09]  Alright?
[02:57:09]  Okay.
[02:57:10]  I'll see you guys later.
[02:57:11]  Man, across the country, Tori hanging out talking string theory with her friends.
[02:57:19]  Man, you heard about string theory?
[02:57:21]  It's like there's strings.
[02:57:24]  I got a theory about strings.
[02:57:26]  They don't exist.
[02:57:27]  Only ropes!
[02:57:29]  Rope theory.
[02:57:30]  There's absolutely zero evidence provided of her claims, and everything I've been able to tell about Tori so far, she's not someone I'm going to accept an extravagant claim from without proof.
[02:57:39]  Also, if I understand the timeline on this, the DNC hack happened on, like, June 2016, so we can put this on Tori's timeline as being after her writings about linguistic needs for immigrants, and just prior to her trying to rip off people with a fake charity Christmas concert.
[02:57:53]  What I'm saying is I need proof, and I don't see it.
[02:57:57]  Yeah, that's such a thing that people...
[02:58:00]  People like her say to sound super smart.
[02:58:03]  Like, oh, we're around discussing string theory.
[02:58:05]  Like, they're the fucking Algonquin round table.
[02:58:07]  Right.
[02:58:08]  Calm down, Dorothy Parker.
[02:58:09]  Yeah, shut up.
[02:58:10]  Shut up.
[02:58:11]  What do you know about string?
[02:58:13]  Get the fuck out of here.
[02:58:14]  That'd be a good follow-up question.
[02:58:15]  Yeah.
[02:58:16]  Tell me literally one thing about string theory.
[02:58:19]  Well, string theory had nothing to do with Seth Rich.
[02:58:23]  Okay.
[02:58:24]  Well, that's one thing.
[02:58:25]  I can tell you that.
[02:58:25]  That's one thing.
[02:58:26]  So here's her feelings about that case.
[02:58:32]  Seth Rich, that is.
[02:58:37]  I mean, yeah.
[02:58:46]  He came in contact with a guy named Sean Lucas.
[02:58:53]  So they decided, oh yeah, maybe we can get it out to someone else.
[02:59:02]  And it was not to Julian Assange direct.
[02:59:06]  And both of those guys are dead.
[02:59:08]  In a bizarre twist of events on August 2nd, less than one month after serving the subpoena, Lucas was reported dead.
[02:59:17]  Seth Rich was killed on July 11th, 2016.
[02:59:20]  That same month, a video went viral of a guy named Sean Lucas serving the DNC with papers regarding a lawsuit.
[02:59:27]  Lucas had nothing to do with the actual lawsuit.
[02:59:29]  He was just a process server whose job was to deliver papers.
[02:59:32]  Yeah, you serve him.
[02:59:34]  Yeah, Sean worked for One Source Process Incorporated, which is a paper-serving company in D.C. Yeah.
[02:59:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:00:08]  Tori is telling an intriguing tale, but it's kind of short on evidence.
[03:00:12]  I'm going to need some of that.
[03:00:13]  Any of that.
[03:00:14]  If I'm going to entertain this shit.
[03:00:16]  When you say kinda.
[03:00:17]  Fair enough.
[03:00:18]  Yeah.
[03:00:20]  But I mean, it's a fun spy novel if it wasn't real people's lives.
[03:00:24]  It's not a fun spy novel, Dan.
[03:00:26]  It's a really boring, annoying spy novel that I hate.
[03:00:30]  You're not wrong about that.
[03:00:31]  And there's also trends that are just impossible to ignore.
[03:00:35]  We're seeing Patrick Berge talk about how, when I saw the protests in Ferguson, I knew this was IIA stuff.

=== Wag the Dog Protest (05:15) ===

[03:00:43]  I knew it.
[03:00:44]  And then I traced Black Lives Matter to Ukraine or something.
[03:00:47]  Sure.
[03:00:47]  And here we have another accusation that he has about IIA operations.
[03:00:52]  What you've seen with the recent riots surrounding George Floyd's death...
[03:00:57]  From your perspective, does that look like an IAA operation?
[03:01:02]  Absolutely.
[03:01:03]  Nothing feels natural about what's going on.
[03:01:06]  More stuff is fake and fabricated right now in the news than what's actually real.
[03:01:13]  That's so weird.
[03:01:14]  Another social protest event is happening, seeking to address issues that primarily affect non-white people, and Patrick Berge just cannot understand how any of this is happening organically.
[03:01:23]  It just doesn't make sense.
[03:01:24]  It's got to be an elaborate plan to trick these people into protesting, he says.
[03:01:28]  You notice that this kind of thinking doesn't get directed at certain other types of gatherings.
[03:01:33]  The Unite the Right rally isn't being called IIA.
[03:01:36]  The giant gun weirdo event, that rally in Virginia from earlier this year, isn't IIA.
[03:01:41]  That dumbass straight pride parade isn't IIA.
[03:01:44]  The social gatherings and movements that feed into these people's ideologies are seen as authentic because it makes sense to them that people would be motivated to protest around something like that.
[03:01:53]  For issues that don't touch their lives personally, things get a little too abstract, and this is the only way that some people like Patrick Berge can contextualize those things.
[03:02:01]  It's so silly.
[03:02:02]  You're so stupid for thinking that a cop murdering a man, a black man, in cold blood...
[03:02:12]  On video.
[03:02:12]  As people watch.
[03:02:14]  And he said, I'm dying.
[03:02:16]  And they did nothing.
[03:02:18]  Why would anybody protest that?
[03:02:21]  I don't know.
[03:02:22]  Probably IIA.
[03:02:23]  Yeah.
[03:02:23]  But, on the other hand, if somebody might intimate that gun control is a good idea, obviously you protest.
[03:02:31]  Right.
[03:02:32]  With guns.
[03:02:32]  Obviously you storm the statehouse.
[03:02:34]  Yeah, naturally.
[03:02:35]  With guns.
[03:02:35]  Yeah, with guns.
[03:02:36]  So, Millie realizes, you know, hey, this stuff, this IIA...
[03:02:42]  It's like they're fucking around, you know?
[03:02:44]  It's kind of like that movie Wag the Dog.
[03:02:46]  Oh, God.
[03:02:47]  So she mentions Wag the Dog, of course.
[03:02:49]  And then Tori says something that disturbed me deeply.
[03:02:52]  It's like the movie Wag the Dog, quite literally.
[03:02:55]  Oh, you know, movies tell a lot of stories.
[03:02:58]  Oh, yeah.
[03:02:58]  And it's almost as if they're making fun of us.
[03:03:04]  They made fun of Alex Jones when he used to...
[03:03:07]  Oh, I was going to say, you used past tense.
[03:03:09]  I mean, I guess that's just a term he was using, but if you actually look, what he was pointing out in a lot of instances was IIA operations.
[03:03:20]  So...
[03:03:22]  First of all, still make fun of Alex Jones.
[03:03:24]  We'll continue to for the foreseeable future.
[03:03:27]  And Millie, please step back and analyze the things that Alex has called false flags.
[03:03:32]  And see if those hold up to more critical analysis.
[03:03:36]  Things like the Boston bombing or Sandy Hook.
[03:03:39]  Go ahead and really chew on that stuff.
[03:03:42]  Now, I think what's more important is how terrifying it is, the idea that Tori thinks that movies are making fun of her.
[03:03:50]  Yeah.
[03:03:50]  I know that Alex thinks that there's all this predictive programming and movies are communicating things.
[03:03:57]  I don't know why, but the framing of it is they're making fun of us is a little sadder to me.
[03:04:03]  It's a bummer.
[03:04:04]  It's a little narcissistic to me.
[03:04:07]  But it's also like it makes me feel sad.
[03:04:10]  Yeah.
[03:04:11]  Anyway.
[03:04:13]  So, all these false flag things that Alex has talked about are really just this IIA stuff.
[03:04:19]  Although, 9-11 was a false flag, according to Alex, and that was six years before the IIA memo.
[03:04:25]  So, I don't know.
[03:04:28]  Anyway, who cares?
[03:04:29]  None of that's important.
[03:04:30]  All these false flags are really just IIA.
[03:04:32]  Alex just didn't know the term for it.
[03:04:33]  I was going to say, especially while you were talking about Alex's thing, I was like...
[03:04:41]  Alex's false flags don't hold up to your documentary.
[03:04:46]  Nope.
[03:04:47]  Nope.
[03:04:49]  But that's all IIA stuff.
[03:04:51]  Sure.
[03:04:52]  And, hey, you know, it's hacking reality.
[03:04:57]  Now, as this clip goes on, you'll see the reason that Millie, if she thought that she was being arrested and believed the stuff that's in this documentary.
[03:05:07]  Uh-huh.
[03:05:08]  She should never get in that car.
[03:05:10]  If she had the opportunity to flee out the back of the house...
[03:05:12]  Oh, she's dead.
[03:05:13]  Well, not dead, but she's screwed.
[03:05:15]  But he didn't know the term IIA, so it would be easier for people to understand someone's hacking a reality.
[03:05:21]  Because now in this day and age of computing, that makes more sense to people.
[03:05:25]  They understand it more.
[03:05:26]  Oh, hack my reality.
[03:05:28]  You mean change the way I see things.
[03:05:30]  And that is exactly what an IIA is.
[03:05:32]  It's just that it's software churning out, oh, you need to do this to get this outcome.

=== Every Legal Decision Up For Grabs (04:28) ===

[03:05:37]  Kind of like using that shadow net in the D.C. courts and saying, "Oh, prosecutor, you want him to go to jail and you want a guilty verdict?
[03:05:45]  Well, we're going to have to pull it out." And then when a pool of jury people come, all of them are potential to give you a guilty verdict.
[03:05:52]  So then you pick from all the people that will give you a guilty verdict.
[03:05:57]  So there's no chance that you'll win.
[03:05:59]  That's so bad.
[03:05:59]  And even Matt Whittaker said that on my show.
[03:06:03]  Judges are corrupt.
[03:06:04]  That's a major problem for the justice system.
[03:06:06]  If people are able to use that technology in jury selection to be able to predict who's gonna, you know, throw their vote a certain way.
[03:06:17]  Is anyone stopping them?
[03:06:19]  That's a major problem right there.
[03:06:21]  It is.
[03:06:22]  And Roger Stone, with this commutation...
[03:06:24]  We'll solve it.
[03:06:25]  Because this is where it all comes to the surface.
[03:06:28]  Oh boy.
[03:06:28]  So this is a convoluted narrative about Roger Stone that I'm not sure if he's...
[03:06:31]  I don't care.
[03:06:33]  Look, the issue is this is unhinged.
[03:06:36]  Yeah, no, that's insane.
[03:06:37]  That's just insane.
[03:06:38]  They're using this technology in order to pick jury pools that will guarantee whatever outcome to it.
[03:06:46]  So basically, all the underpinnings of every piece of our society are just under control, right?
[03:06:54]  I mean, she can't possibly hope to go and get a trial for whatever these charges are.
[03:07:00]  No, she's guilty.
[03:07:01]  She's guilty.
[03:07:01]  They're going to stack the jury from the pool, even.
[03:07:05]  Yeah.
[03:07:06]  Before we even get there.
[03:07:08]  Yeah.
[03:07:09]  It's predetermined outcomes to every legal decision.
[03:07:11]  So every legal decision, every court thing is up for grabs and probably fucking fake to begin with.
[03:07:18]  Nothing's real.
[03:07:19]  Everything is all just bad.
[03:07:20]  It's all this magic shadow net.
[03:07:22]  I feel like she's making fun of me.
[03:07:28]  Wagon the dog.
[03:07:30]  So here, Tori says something that's just absolutely not true about Trump.
[03:07:34]  If people knew just how bad it is...
[03:07:38]  Think about how many things he's changing and how much money they're taking.
[03:07:41]  I mean, think of all the money they're going to lose in contracting.
[03:07:44]  He's stopped the clearances.
[03:07:46]  Remember, once you're out, now we pull your clearance?
[03:07:47]  He did that, remember?
[03:07:49]  So now all the future generals or all the future intelligence community persons don't get to use their clearance.
[03:07:56]  If you're out, it's finished.
[03:07:57]  That's absolutely not true.
[03:07:59]  What Trump did was a politically motivated attack and threat against political opponents.
[03:08:04]  There you go.
[03:08:04]  In August 2018, Trump revoked security clearance for John Brennan and indicated that he was considering action on the clearance status of various people who had been critical of his administration.
[03:08:13]  It was very clear that this was retaliatory in action in nature.
[03:08:17]  Tory is taking this story and exaggerating it to being a case where Trump said that once you leave your post, you lose your security clearance, which is complete fiction.
[03:08:24]  If it's not, I would welcome her to provide evidence that Trump did this, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
[03:08:29]  One of the issues here is a misunderstanding of what security clearance even is.
[03:08:33]  If you have top secret clearance, that doesn't just mean that you're able to access whatever top secret material you want.
[03:08:39]  You would still need to be employed in a job where access to that material is required.
[03:08:44]  Having security clearance is essentially the equivalent of being screened to be eligible to gain access to certain levels of classified material.
[03:08:51]  It's pre-approval TSA.
[03:08:54]  More or less.
[03:08:55]  To actually access said material, you need a reason and authorization.
[03:08:59]  People like Millie and Tori seem to operate in this world where having top-secret clearances is like James Bond having a license to kill.
[03:09:05]  John Brennan can be years removed from being in any position in the government, but because he has top-secret clearance, they imagine he still has access to all this confidential shit, which may not be the case.
[03:09:15]  Do you know what this is?
[03:09:17]  This reminds me exactly of the movie Red with Bruce Willis.
[03:09:24]  I don't know if anybody ever saw it.
[03:09:26]  But at one point in the movie, they break into Langley or whatever because, you know, that's not hard.
[03:09:32]  And then they get down into the super secret basement where there's a vault with...
[03:09:37]  I hear the Vatican's down there.
[03:09:40]  Burgess Meredith in it?
[03:09:41]  I don't know.
[03:09:41]  But it's just this old dude who's called the Record Keeper.
[03:09:44]  Oh, sure.
[03:09:45]  And you can walk in there and there's the records of everything that's ever been done and you can just walk in.
[03:09:50]  This movie sounds bad.

=== Momentum and Moral Ground (10:10) ===

[03:09:51]  Yeah, it is bad.
[03:09:52]  But in a way, it's great.
[03:09:53]  I don't even want to deal with it.
[03:09:55]  Okay.
[03:09:55]  I'll not watch it.
[03:09:56]  Continue not watching it.
[03:09:58]  Thank you.
[03:09:58]  I appreciate your approval of my not watching it.
[03:10:01]  So, we're coming towards the end here.
[03:10:04]  Millie's trying to synthesize some of this stuff.
[03:10:06]  And so, she's established, basically, that these contracting groups, primarily Dynology and, I guess, the...
[03:10:20]  I'm not even worried about names anymore.
[03:10:22]  The John Brennan one and the Jones one.
[03:10:24]  And then the Canadian global information, which isn't a real thing.
[03:10:29]  They have all of this.
[03:10:31]  They've made this shadow net that they're able to do everything with based on misunderstandings of upstream data collection that she's taking from imaginations of two weirdos.
[03:10:45]  And now we're going to get into pivoting that into robots.
[03:10:50]  The future is going to involve robot policing that's informed by all of this ShadowNet technology.
[03:10:58]  So we're in...
[03:10:59]  I'm going to be honest.
[03:11:00]  I miss when the road was the biggest problem.
[03:11:03]  I do miss the road as well.
[03:11:04]  I miss the road being our big bad guy.
[03:11:07]  So Millie has found a report from Interpol.
[03:11:10]  This is the biggest and boldest move towards the ultimate surveillance state.
[03:11:15]  ever made and it's near completion micromanaging this technology on a global scale would require integrating it with artificial intelligence imagine artificial intelligence autonomously operating the
[03:11:29]  I'm imagining it.
[03:11:47]  Understanding how these technologies can be applied by law enforcement agencies for the safety and security of our global community is of critical importance.
[03:11:57]  Keep a safe distance of six feet from others.
[03:11:59]  So I found this report that Millie is talking about, and maybe it was because I was tired and slap-happy and punch-drunk, but I laughed out loud when I saw that the quote that she's reading is literally from the first paragraph of the foreword.
[03:12:15]  God!
[03:12:16]  I'm assuming that she read that sentence and was like, fuck yeah, they just named some movies.
[03:12:20]  My work here is done.
[03:12:22]  Clock out.
[03:12:23]  Yeah.
[03:12:23]  That is amazing.
[03:12:24]  That was so funny to me.
[03:12:26]  Oh my God.
[03:12:27]  So this report had to do with a fundamental truth that the writers and collaborators were recognizing, and that is that as technology evolves, so do the criminal uses of technology.
[03:12:39]  Consider hacking or the black markets that are on the dark web.
[03:12:42]  These things are naturally going to exist, as people who want to commit crimes are able to leverage technological advances.
[03:12:48]  If that's true, which I think it is, law enforcement has a couple of options.
[03:12:52]  The first is to be actively engaged with technologies as they evolve and adapt strategies to fit with changing times.
[03:12:58]  The second is to just cede the ground to the criminal use of various emerging technologies, which seems kind of dumb.
[03:13:06]  The report includes a lot of consideration.
[03:13:09]  Participating in those very evil actions yet.
[03:13:13]  That's sort of like a 1B or something.
[03:13:15]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:13:15]  The report includes a lot of considerations that will end up coming up as a result of technological advancement.
[03:13:21]  For instance, if we're to assume that robots are going to be used for patrols and surveillance capabilities, then, quote, as this occurs, it will be necessary to address privacy concerns associated with these technologies, including issues such as when and where it's permissible to use sensors.
[03:13:36]  One of the main sections of this report covers how central ethics questions are in the conversation about the use of robotics and AI in law enforcement.
[03:13:46]  So yeah, there are some really messy issues ahead in terms of technological advancement and the society that we've built, particularly in terms of the way that some of the existing structures end up being modernized.
[03:13:57]  It's hard, and automation is another area where these questions become super tough, but for people like Milley to point at this Interpol report and read one sentence out of it, While pretending that the report itself doesn't raise these serious ethical concerns, that's cheap, it's lazy, and it's dishonest.
[03:14:13]  She is not pretending.
[03:14:14]  You would have to have read the thing to then pretend that it did not contain that.
[03:14:19]  I mean, she's misrepresenting that she's read it.
[03:14:21]  Exactly.
[03:14:22]  They're pretty clear in this report about this being challenging terrain.
[03:14:26]  Quote, If this opportunity is ignored and AI and robotics are used in law enforcement without fairness, accountability, transparency, and explainability, then the law enforcement community risks losing the confidence of the communities and citizens that it's mandated to protect.
[03:14:51]  Shut up.
[03:14:52]  I understand you're laughing.
[03:14:54]  I understand you're laughing, but...
[03:14:56]  I saw a line of cops.
[03:15:02]  Mashing their batons on their riot shields, walking, and then beating protesters.
[03:15:07]  I think we're there.
[03:15:08]  I understand what you're saying.
[03:15:10]  And in the real world, I'm probably closer to your perspective than not.
[03:15:18]  But in terms of what we're looking at with what Millie is reporting and what this document says, you can scoff and be like, I don't trust that at all.
[03:15:30]  But I find that to be affirming the negative as opposed to looking at what's actually being said and what Millie's saying.
[03:15:37]  And I'm not saying you're wrong to do that.
[03:15:39]  I just clunkily pushed back on it and I felt the need to explain myself.
[03:15:42]  Nah, you're doing great.
[03:15:43]  Very tired.
[03:15:44]  Yeah, me too.
[03:15:45]  We're on hour 10 of this documentary.
[03:15:48]  Hey, it's been a while since we did a documentary.
[03:15:49]  It's been a while.
[03:15:50]  Usually we plan ahead, though.
[03:15:52]  This kind of fell in our laps because Millie got arrested and I realized like...
[03:15:55]  Okay, we have to talk about that.
[03:15:57]  We have to talk about it.
[03:15:58]  And I don't want to talk about the arrest for a whole episode.
[03:16:00]  So we've got to talk about what is being pretended to be behind it.
[03:16:03]  Exactly.
[03:16:03]  And as soon as I started watching it, I was like, okay, I either have to actually cover most of this or I have to just say in one sentence, it's dumb.
[03:16:13]  There is no middle ground there.
[03:16:14]  I might have chosen the wrong approach, but we'll see.
[03:16:18]  Anyway, Millie has found a Dynology patent that she's going to misrepresent as being part of...
[03:16:25]  All of this stuff.
[03:16:27]  Short from a major PR rollout, there is an international push for autonomous law enforcement to remove the human factor.
[03:16:35]  Several features of the Interpol program indicate that they are using an iteration of ShadowNet and ClearForce technology.
[03:16:42]  This March 2017 United States patent issued to Jim Jones III and Clearforce spells it out.
[03:16:50]  Quote, systems and methods for electronically monitoring humans to determine potential risk.
[03:16:57]  This patent that Millie has pulled up is being represented dishonestly.
[03:17:00]  You can tell with that creepy voiceover that she wants to highlight the word humans, but that's actually the one word she's deceiving the audience about.
[03:17:07]  So what she's done is she's taken the word employees and replaced it with humans in that weird voice.
[03:17:14]  Sure, that makes sense.
[03:17:15]  Yeah.
[03:17:15]  If you read the actual patent, it does seem creepy, but it's essentially a platform that employers can use to monitor their employees' on-network actions, which will also update with any alerts from legal public databases, like arrest reports for things that might make you suspicious of your employees.
[03:17:31]  I'm opposed to this, but there's a lot of labor management relations stuff that I'm opposed to, and these matters are wholly unrelated to the conspiracy that Millie is trying to spin.
[03:17:39]  Totally.
[03:17:40]  I welcome Millie to Champion Workers' Rights, but I strongly doubt we'll be hearing that anytime soon, so let's just move along.
[03:17:46]  Yeah.
[03:17:46]  Also, this patent from 2017 is just an updating of their existing patent from 2015 titled, quote, System and Method for Detecting an Employee-Related Risk.
[03:17:55]  Great.
[03:17:55]  So, she even did a sloppy job on that.
[03:17:58]  Yeah, great.
[03:17:58]  Good work.
[03:17:59]  Now, we get to where she's kind of wrapping things up and making unjustified conclusions, and I'm just...
[03:18:05]  Oof.
[03:18:06]  Oh, Nelly.
[03:18:07]  Given that leftist organizations managed by Momentum, which is behind the "Defund the Police" movement, and given that Momentum has been connected to IIA operations, the case can be made that Jones & Co.
[03:18:21]  are running the "Defund the Police" influence operation simply because they are in a position to benefit by offering an alternative solution that is already in line Robot Cops.
[03:18:35]  This is completely baseless.
[03:18:39]  And that's why she's saying an argument can be made that Jones is running the defund the police stuff because he's going to replace everybody with robots.
[03:18:49]  I am now going to throw a balloon filled with fire?
[03:18:54]  At her.
[03:18:55]  I don't know if that would work.
[03:18:56]  I think the balloon material would have, you'd have trouble with that.
[03:19:00]  I understand.
[03:19:00]  I'm thinking of plants.
[03:19:02]  I understand.
[03:19:02]  They make as much sense as anything that she said.
[03:19:05]  Oh, no, I definitely think that Dynology has a patent for that balloon.
[03:19:09]  And I found it.
[03:19:11]  You're good.
[03:19:12]  If you are thinking that Momentum is a name that's coming out of nowhere and the Defund the Police stuff, you're right.
[03:19:20]  It's disconnected.
[03:19:22]  It's just being thrown in.
[03:19:23]  I don't know.
[03:19:24]  Great.
[03:19:25]  Anyway, here is how the documentary ends, which is just incredibly unsatisfying.
[03:19:33]  It makes very little sense.
[03:19:34]  And she just decides to, you know, throw in the UN and throw in the Sunrise Movement.
[03:19:41]  What are you, what are you, lazy?
[03:19:41]  You gotta throw the UN in there.
[03:19:43]  Furthermore, this technology is behind the push for police abolition, defunding law enforcement and replacing it with smart justice, given we have seen IIA shadow net technology implemented by the Socialist Democrats and Sunrise Movement, who are using it to push for police abolition.

=== Bad Delivery, Ten Minutes Later (06:54) ===

[03:20:02]  This political movement is deeply connected to the UN, who has partnered with Interpol to corral us into the artificial intelligence and robotics for law enforcement direction.
[03:20:15]  That's the end of the documentary.
[03:20:16]  That's it!
[03:20:17]  Yep.
[03:20:17]  That's the end.
[03:20:18]  Yep.
[03:20:19]  Did she run out of tape?
[03:20:23]  I guess she thought the point was made.
[03:20:27]  It's not.
[03:20:28]  That's the point that she did it.
[03:20:31]  I mean, I go back to looking at the questions from the what if I were to tell you at the beginning.
[03:20:36]  I don't think she proved anything.
[03:20:37]  I was going to say, did that close off the thesis statement that we were working towards?
[03:20:41]  If I were her, I would be so embarrassed that I put something out that said Canadian Global Intelligence is what CGI stands for.
[03:20:50]  I would take it down immediately.
[03:20:51]  I would be so like...
[03:20:54]  No!
[03:20:55]  Like, there have been a couple times that I have made slight errors on the podcast that I realize, like, after I have put out the episode...
[03:21:04]  You have texted me at, like, four in the morning.
[03:21:06]  Yes.
[03:21:06]  Like, I fucked up.
[03:21:07]  I fucked up.
[03:21:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:21:11]  Or even just, like, little tiny considerations where, like, things are factually accurate.
[03:21:17]  Maybe I said a name and I shouldn't have said the name.
[03:21:19]  So I'll not be able to sleep until I get out of bed, bleep the name, and repost the episode.
[03:21:25]  Because it's important.
[03:21:27]  And when you make a fuck-up that's just basic and pointless, like CGI stands for Canadian Global Information, and you repeatedly say it, that alone is like...
[03:21:42]  Please.
[03:21:42]  And all the other myriad problems and just like really substantive misrepresentations, factual inaccuracies.
[03:21:51]  This thing is trash.
[03:21:53]  The convoluted and contradictory backstories of both of the people that she has as experts.
[03:22:01]  The contradictions and conflicts of interest that exist with Tori.
[03:22:07]  As her unnamed source, not bringing up that she was the source in the Kentucky thing, but she does bring up the Kentucky thing.
[03:22:15]  That's dicey.
[03:22:16]  It's unethical as hell.
[03:22:19]  There is nothing worthwhile about this documentary.
[03:22:23]  And I would further suggest that there's nothing in this documentary that could ever merit arrest.
[03:22:29]  I don't think I see...
[03:22:31]  I mean, until lying is...
[03:22:34]  Well, decency, taste.
[03:22:37]  There are crimes against taste, for sure.
[03:22:39]  But here's the thing I think about, is like, okay, so, you know, the most generous interpretation I guess someone would have is that in the process of making this dangerous-ass documentary...
[03:22:53]  She stole documents, and that's what the burglary was, right?
[03:22:56]  And then all the other charges are trumped up or something.
[03:22:58]  That's the idea.
[03:22:59]  There is nothing in this documentary that is stolen, and the only information that could be even really generously interpreted that way is stuff that comes from Bergy and Tori, and neither of them got arrested.
[03:23:16]  And they very easily could have been.
[03:23:18]  They're known people.
[03:23:20]  So I reject the possibility that there's any connection to her arrest.
[03:23:24]  And what I'm going to do, I did this on purpose.
[03:23:28]  I wanted to, for our Monday episode, completely focus on the actual documentary itself.
[03:23:32]  Yeah.
[03:23:33]  Because I knew that doing more would just be unwieldy.
[03:23:35]  And even this is kind of unwieldy.
[03:23:36]  It's 100% unwieldy.
[03:23:38]  So I haven't even watched Alex's coverage of this.
[03:23:42]  Yeah.
[03:23:42]  As we're recording this.
[03:23:43]  I don't know what he's saying, but I'm sure it's bullshit.
[03:23:47]  Wednesday, we will go over Alex's coverage of it, which will be a little bit easier to do, especially because by that point, theoretically, she'll be out of prison by then, or jail, holding cell.
[03:23:59]  And so we'll be able to better do that.
[03:24:03]  So apologies if people were expecting Alex's response to the arrest.
[03:24:07]  I don't know what it is.
[03:24:08]  I don't care.
[03:24:08]  I've watched this documentary too many times.
[03:24:11]  It's taken up too much of my time.
[03:24:13]  How dare Millie Weaver make Alex look like a good documentarian?
[03:24:20]  I don't want to sound sexist because I make the same complaints about John Bound and Greg Reese.
[03:24:27]  It's just terrible voiceover.
[03:24:30]  It's very hard to listen to, whereas Alex is really good at voiceover.
[03:24:34]  He knows what he's doing.
[03:24:36]  He knows how to sell these things in the context of the documentary.
[03:24:39]  Yeah, it's not that her voice is terrible.
[03:24:42]  No.
[03:24:42]  It's that the...
[03:24:43]  Well, the writing is garbage.
[03:24:45]  And the delivery is bad, too.
[03:24:46]  The delivery is bad.
[03:24:47]  Yeah.
[03:24:48]  The other thing, too, is that I think Alex is a little more...
[03:24:53]  No, he's not more careful with his fucking subject matters.
[03:24:56]  He's absolutely not more careful.
[03:24:57]  Interview subjects.
[03:24:58]  And Carta is one of his...
[03:24:59]  Right, but he doesn't say that.
[03:25:01]  Yeah, that's true.
[03:25:01]  When he made Endgame.
[03:25:03]  But I'm thinking of interview subjects.
[03:25:04]  Because in Endgame, he still talked to Big Jim Tucker, who worked for...
[03:25:08]  The fucking spotlight.
[03:25:10]  That's bad.
[03:25:12]  And then you've got Daniel Estelin who's nuts.
[03:25:16]  It's still talking to crazy people and trying to present them as credible experts.
[03:25:21]  It suffers from the same problems, but I think the production values are much better on Alex's.
[03:25:25]  I think Rob Jacobson, back when he was around, was probably a really good editor.
[03:25:30]  And I think that probably his touch helped the values of that a lot.
[03:25:35]  And Gavin Wintz.
[03:25:37]  Millie's husband edited this, and I don't think it was very well done.
[03:25:42]  Yeah, so I mean, from a content standpoint, I guess I would say...
[03:25:48]  Boo!
[03:25:50]  Zero out of ten?
[03:25:53]  As an entertaining documentary, I would say zero out of ten.
[03:25:57]  Yeah.
[03:25:58]  As a thing that made me laugh a couple times, one out of ten?
[03:26:02]  Yeah, I would give it a one out of ten.
[03:26:04]  Because there were a couple laughs.
[03:26:05]  There were, yeah.
[03:26:07]  I got a couple giggles.
[03:26:09]  This sucks.
[03:26:10]  I'm sorry, Jordan.
[03:26:11]  I apologized to you at the beginning of this, but it was required that we do it.
[03:26:14]  And I'm sorry to you again, but we made it through, and now you can go home and take a nap.
[03:26:18]  No, I'm dead.
[03:26:20]  I'm going to go home and die.
[03:26:21]  That's what I'm going to do.
[03:26:22]  And now I will be up all night getting this episode out for the people, but it is our duty.
[03:26:26]  Yep.
[03:26:28]  Oh, boy.
[03:26:29]  Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.
[03:26:32]  Will we?
[03:26:33]  Maybe not.
[03:26:34]  Is this the one that does it?
[03:26:36]  Stay tuned Wednesday to see if we will survive the night.

=== First-Time Caller's Story (00:42) ===

[03:26:41]  If we do.
[03:26:42]  To quote Alex Jones, Lord willing, we'll be back.
[03:26:45]  But we have a website.
[03:26:46]  We do have a website.
[03:26:47]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[03:26:48]  We're also on Twitter.
[03:26:51]  We are on Twitter.
[03:26:53]  We're also on Facebook.
[03:26:55]  We are on Facebook.
[03:26:56]  If you can, please find a local charity or bail fund, especially if you're in Chicago right now, to help the people doing God's work.
[03:27:07]  Yes.
[03:27:08]  We'll be back.
[03:27:09]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[03:27:10]  I'm Leo.
[03:27:10]  I'm DZX Clark.
[03:27:11]  I'm Daryl Rundis.
[03:27:13]  I have supersonic hearing, and it's kind of weird.
[03:27:16]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[03:27:18]  Thanks for holding.
[03:27:20]  Hello, Alex.
[03:27:21]  I'm a first-time caller.
[03:27:22]  I'm a huge fan.
[03:27:23]  I love your work.