Knowledge Fight - #458: July 14, 2020
Aired: 2020-07-17
Duration: 01:19:11


=== Cold Gin Note (04:33) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge.
[00:00:31]  Fight.
[00:00:32]  Need.
[00:00:35]  Need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:41]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:44]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:49]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:07]  Dan!
[00:01:08]  Jordan!
[00:01:09]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:12]  Well, as is becoming kind of routine.
[00:01:16]  Not routine necessarily, but it's such a bright spot on a fairly...
[00:01:19]  Consistent basis, I've got to zip, open up the mailbag.
[00:01:23]  Alright, alright.
[00:01:24]  It does brighten my day quite a bit to end up having things fly in and just show up.
[00:01:31]  Incredible.
[00:01:31]  So, from Lee, over across the pond.
[00:01:34]  Lee across the pond.
[00:01:35]  In the UK.
[00:01:36]  Alright.
[00:01:36]  Sent over a four-pack of...
[00:01:40]  I'm showing you this box.
[00:01:41]  This is just a repackaged box.
[00:01:43]  It does look like a surveillance box of some sort.
[00:01:46]  Did not get a note, per se, but on the flap of the box, a very nice note about how this tonic water, this really nice tonic water, is best involved with a splash of gin.
[00:01:58]  I am currently not partaking in the gin.
[00:02:01]  Except for Cold Gin, the Kiss song.
[00:02:04]  I listen to that quite a bit.
[00:02:05]  Dylan Morin, the comic that you hate so much.
[00:02:08]  I didn't hate him.
[00:02:09]  Bad night.
[00:02:10]  He called, in one of his specials, he called gin just mascara thinner.
[00:02:16]  It is only drunk by women on the first step.
[00:02:22]  They have an entire song about how cold gin is the only drink.
[00:02:26]  Ah, no.
[00:02:27]  I'm not a gin guy.
[00:02:28]  If you need to know that Kiss are weirdos, that's all you need to know.
[00:02:33]  Get rid of that whiskey!
[00:02:35]  Cold gin!
[00:02:36]  How dare you?
[00:02:37]  What?
[00:02:37]  How dare you?
[00:02:39]  So, from Lee, keep up the good work, it's cheaper than therapy from your friends in the UK.
[00:02:43]  I've not had a chance to drink these yet because they are really, they look classier.
[00:02:47]  Maybe it's just because I know that they're not American.
[00:02:51]  They're condescending to you as we speak?
[00:02:53]  I want to, yeah, I want to, like with these good and gather seltzers and stuff, I'm fine just chugging those.
[00:02:59]  Just like, I'll drink four in a night, I don't give a shit.
[00:03:02]  I want these to be a little more special, so I'm holding off on those.
[00:03:05]  Maybe we'll do a Q&A episode where we test the nice tonics.
[00:03:08]  You can have it with gin, and I can have it straight.
[00:03:11]  Ah, how dare you attempt to drink me!
[00:03:14]  Nothing more than a regular seltzer.
[00:03:16]  Speaking of which, also we got a bunch of hot sauces from Peggy's Vegan Hot Sauce.
[00:03:21]  Thank you very much.
[00:03:22]  We have an episode that we recorded where we taste tested those.
[00:03:25]  A Q&A episode that will be coming out shortly.
[00:03:28]  And so you'll be able to hear Jordan and my real-time reactions to these hot sauces.
[00:03:33]  And thank you for sending those.
[00:03:35]  And then one more thing here in the mailbag.
[00:03:37]  I got a little note.
[00:03:38]  It's got a lovely turtle on it.
[00:03:40]  I like turtles.
[00:03:42]  Inside this note, Dear Dan and Jordan, Thank you!
[00:03:45]  Exclamation point Dave.
[00:03:46]  A couple of owls on the inside.
[00:03:48]  Alright.
[00:03:48]  On the back it says, P.S. I just wanted to make sure you get plenty of mail.
[00:03:54]  I'm going to put that on the wall.
[00:03:55]  You know what?
[00:03:57]  I'm going to be straight with you.
[00:03:59]  That's great.
[00:04:00]  When was the last time you actually got mail?
[00:04:02]  That's just a thing now.
[00:04:04]  It's all bills and shit.
[00:04:04]  It doesn't pop up in your inbox when you're looking at Gmail.
[00:04:08]  That shit shows up like a physical thing.
[00:04:10]  Dave took the time to put something in an envelope.
[00:04:12]  There's a fucking stamp on it.
[00:04:14]  Just for me to open it up and be like...
[00:04:17]  I want to make sure you've got stuff to the bell.
[00:04:19]  Thanks, Dave.
[00:04:19]  We appreciate it.
[00:04:20]  The federal government got involved in that.
[00:04:22]  Yeah, so that was a pretty nice day brightener.
[00:04:25]  How about you, buddy?
[00:04:27]  I have a simultaneous, maybe the brightest spot in my entire life and maybe the lowest spot in my entire life.
[00:04:33]  It all happened on the same day.
[00:04:35]  I released the book and people have responded very well.

=== Proudest to Saddest (03:52) ===

[00:04:39]  So many people to the point where if downloads were book sales...
[00:04:45]  I would have an outside sod on a slow week to be on the New York Times bestseller list.
[00:04:50]  Isn't that amazing?
[00:04:51]  That's amazing.
[00:04:52]  Sure.
[00:04:53]  That's really cool.
[00:04:54]  And then about, what, a few hours after I released it, I got the news that my aunt was not going to be around for much longer to the tune of just a few days.
[00:05:09]  It's weird how the proudest day of your life suddenly becomes the saddest day.
[00:05:16]  And I just thought about this.
[00:05:19]  She was fine three weeks ago, and now it's going to be less than a few days.
[00:05:27]  And this is all too common a situation now.
[00:05:31]  It's not COVID.
[00:05:32]  She has stage 4 cancer, which is...
[00:05:37]  Something that happens, you know, it just happens.
[00:05:41]  It doesn't happen because a lunatic stole an election, you know?
[00:05:46]  Like, all of these families, 130,000 families are going through what my family is going through right now, and unnecessarily, due to just...
[00:05:58]  Just cruelty.
[00:05:59]  Just monstrous, monstrous cruelty.
[00:06:01]  You mean existence?
[00:06:01]  Yeah.
[00:06:03]  Ain't that the truth?
[00:06:04]  I mean, that's the way it seems to be what you're saying.
[00:06:07]  Life is a cruel joke.
[00:06:08]  Yeah, it is a cruel nightmare.
[00:06:10]  Great, great bright spot, Jordan.
[00:06:11]  Every moment is...
[00:06:12]  I said it was the brightest and the lowest spot.
[00:06:14]  It doesn't get much worse than that.
[00:06:16]  No, it's really sad.
[00:06:18]  Yeah, and it's tough.
[00:06:20]  And so I just, you know, I don't know how to be sufficiently...
[00:06:26]  Grieving.
[00:06:28]  This is terrible, and I'm a comic, so this is how we deal with it.
[00:06:35]  Yeah, there's no wrong way.
[00:06:36]  I laugh and enjoy what we do, and that's how I cling to it and how I grieve.
[00:06:43]  There's no wrong way except, I guess, denial.
[00:06:45]  And that's not even wrong.
[00:06:47]  That could be part of your process.
[00:06:48]  Yeah, it could be part of your process.
[00:06:49]  Yeah, and it's tough, and I'm sorry you're going through this, and I'm sorry that she's going through this.
[00:06:56]  But, you know, it is unfortunate.
[00:07:00]  Life includes that.
[00:07:02]  Yeah.
[00:07:02]  So, sorry to start off on a depressing note, but at the same time, motherfucker, I've always dreamed of that kind of possibility of writing something and people responding to it.
[00:07:17]  And as much as you're connecting these two things, they're not connected.
[00:07:20]  They're not connected.
[00:07:21]  It's not my fault.
[00:07:22]  It's a little bit my fault.
[00:07:23]  And even though your aunt is passing, which is very tragic, most likely, there's still a lot of love that you've experienced between the two of you and you can hold on to that and you can celebrate that part of what she meant to you and carry that with you moving forward.
[00:07:42]  Hopefully, not everything, even though it's hard and painful, not everything has to be fully negative.
[00:07:47]  As a certain swampy waterbender once said, time is an illusion, and so is death.
[00:07:57]  Thank you, Avatar.
[00:07:59]  For helping me out.
[00:08:00]  Sure.
[00:08:01]  So you're actually going to...
[00:08:03]  Yeah, I will not be here for the Monday episode.
[00:08:06]  We're going to try and maybe do something with a guest or something.
[00:08:10]  Or possibly maybe we might take it off.
[00:08:12]  Not entirely sure, but be going to visit.
[00:08:15]  Yeah, so...

=== Policy Wonk's Payoff (08:45) ===

[00:08:16]  Yeah, I'm...
[00:08:18]  You know, it's depressing, but fuck yeah.
[00:08:20]  Let's live our lives and, you know, be people.
[00:08:26]  Have fun.
[00:08:27]  Let's do it.
[00:08:28]  Alright!
[00:08:28]  I'm in.
[00:08:29]  I'm in, Dan.
[00:08:30]  Alright.
[00:08:31]  Let's do it.
[00:08:32]  So, that note aside.
[00:08:36]  It's gone now.
[00:08:36]  We've dealt with it.
[00:08:37]  Life is over.
[00:08:39]  So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over.
[00:08:42]  We are talking about just one day, July 14th.
[00:08:46]  Tuesday, 2020.
[00:08:48]  I'm Dan.
[00:08:49]  This is Tuesday.
[00:08:49]  Dan, there's only one thing I want you to tell me, and that is Roger Stone still doesn't show up.
[00:08:54]  See?
[00:08:54]  Now it has to happen.
[00:08:55]  No, you've got to tell me that he doesn't show up.
[00:08:58]  I can't tell you that because he does show up.
[00:08:59]  God damn it!
[00:09:01]  I know, I'm sorry to ruin the suspense.
[00:09:03]  Brutal, brutal.
[00:09:04]  But that kind of, I mean, on our last episode I was pretty clear that it's obviously, he signed an exclusive thing.
[00:09:11]  Totally, totally.
[00:09:12]  Hannity is a higher priority to him because it's a real show where it's going into people's homes and you can convince people who aren't Infowars listeners to listen to you and that you're a hero.
[00:09:23]  I can go on a show with 10 million viewers.
[00:09:26]  First, and get all this kind of attention, or I could go on a show with at most 100,000 listeners, and...
[00:09:34]  Not be invited onto any show ever again.
[00:09:38]  Yeah, I can honor my friendship and my partnership with Alex Jones at the expense of larger platforms.
[00:09:47]  Or I can kick Alex in the dick, like I do all the time, and it doesn't matter.
[00:09:52]  He keeps crawling back to me.
[00:09:54]  And I can go on Hannity's show and talk to a guy who was represented by Trump's personal lawyer.
[00:10:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:01]  Who gets exclusive interviews with Trump.
[00:10:03]  Maybe it would be smart to be close.
[00:10:05]  And campaign managers are up in the air, so who knows?
[00:10:09]  We might get stoned!
[00:10:10]  Comparatively, it's the right choice to make, because one guy gets exclusives with Trump and buddy buddies with him, and the other keeps talking about that one time Trump talked to him, and how he's spiritually connected to him, and they telepathically communicate.
[00:10:26]  I know who I would probably, if I were a shithead right-wing con person, who I would prioritize.
[00:10:32]  Roger made the right call.
[00:10:33]  But he has to show up eventually, because he can't go on Hannity every week.
[00:10:37]  He does need Alex as a parasitic base.
[00:10:42]  And so this is honoring that, and Alex is going to pretend like...
[00:10:46]  It's totally fine.
[00:10:47]  Yeah, but it's not.
[00:10:48]  It's not.
[00:10:49]  So I feel like this is sort of the payoff of our week narrative.
[00:10:53]  You know, we've had sort of a storyline going over the past week, which is, you know, it started with Roger's clemency and non-appearance.
[00:11:03]  Alex getting into Wayfair conspiracies, or not at the beginning, then convincing himself to be involved in Wayfair conspiracies, while Roger still doesn't appear.
[00:11:13]  And now we've got Roger finally showing up, and Alex doesn't even bring up Wayfair.
[00:11:17]  We're in a real Ross and Rachel kind of situation here.
[00:11:20]  And I guess Wayfair is the monkey?
[00:11:22]  Did he keep the monkey?
[00:11:23]  I don't know.
[00:11:23]  I don't know.
[00:11:25]  It's very confusing.
[00:11:26]  But here we are, and because you no-sold it, I must say again...
[00:11:32]  I'm Dan.
[00:11:33]  This is Tuesday.
[00:11:35]  All right.
[00:11:37]  That doesn't frustrate you?
[00:11:38]  Let's do it.
[00:11:39]  Let's do it.
[00:11:39]  All right.
[00:11:40]  So before we get into today's episode, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:11:44]  So first, Jonathan R. Thank you so much.
[00:11:46]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:11:47]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:11:48]  Thank you, Jonathan.
[00:11:49]  Thank you.
[00:11:50]  Next, Aaron K. Thank you so much.
[00:11:51]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:11:52]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:11:53]  Thanks, Aaron.
[00:11:54]  Thank you.
[00:11:55]  Next, Sunset.
[00:11:56]  Thank you so much.
[00:11:56]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:11:57]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:11:58]  Thanks, Sunset.
[00:11:59]  Next, Joe L. Thank you so much.
[00:12:02]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:12:03]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:04]  Thanks, Joe.
[00:12:05]  Thank you.
[00:12:05]  Next, cult-reared Aryan passer.
[00:12:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:12:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:12:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:11]  I was assured that was nothing untoward.
[00:12:13]  Was that towards me?
[00:12:14]  It feels like that.
[00:12:14]  No, no.
[00:12:15]  It was about their own experience in an alternative living kind of thing.
[00:12:20]  I was promised that this is not some sort of a code or anything.
[00:12:24]  Well, I'm not blonde, so we're all right there.
[00:12:25]  Yeah.
[00:12:26]  Next, Anna R. Thank you so much.
[00:12:27]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:12:28]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:29]  Thanks, Anna.
[00:12:30]  Thank you.
[00:12:30]  Next, Wade.
[00:12:31]  Thank you so much.
[00:12:32]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:12:33]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:34]  Thanks, Wade.
[00:12:35]  I'm going to tell myself that's Boggs.
[00:12:36]  I like a little Wade.
[00:12:37]  I like a Wade.
[00:12:38]  I like a Wade Boggs.
[00:12:39]  Good stuff.
[00:12:39]  Next, Jason.
[00:12:40]  Jason K., thank you so much.
[00:12:41]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:12:42]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:43]  Thanks, Jason!
[00:12:44]  And then finally, this is something that, this is not a title that we have anymore, but we did in the past.
[00:12:51]  And it's, you know, this person has required, not required, but requested that I call someone a globalist.
[00:12:58]  And so on behalf of Tasha, I've got to call Nick Hill.
[00:13:03]  It's N-I-K-H-I-L.
[00:13:05]  Nickel.
[00:13:05]  Nickel.
[00:13:06]  Whatever, however you pronounce that.
[00:13:08]  You're a globalist.
[00:13:09]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:13:11]  Globalist.
[00:13:12]  Thank you very much.
[00:13:13]  So, if you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show, I'd like to support with these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show, or you could take that generosity and toss it in the direction of a charity in your area that is helping people in need in these trying times.
[00:13:27]  Yes, we would appreciate either.
[00:13:28]  Indeed.
[00:13:29]  So, we start off on the 14th, and Look, man.
[00:13:34]  Roger's on.
[00:13:35]  Roger's on.
[00:13:35]  But he would have been on before.
[00:13:37]  No, he wouldn't have.
[00:13:38]  Well, he would have.
[00:13:39]  No, he wouldn't have.
[00:13:39]  He would have been.
[00:13:40]  No, he signed an agreement.
[00:13:41]  He would have been on before.
[00:13:42]  Is he hungover?
[00:13:43]  He would have been on before.
[00:13:44]  All right.
[00:13:44]  He would have given Alex the exclusive, but...
[00:13:47]  Roger Stone would have given us the exclusive yesterday, as he promised me to do.
[00:13:52]  Uh-huh.
[00:13:53]  But he had to get clearance and had to get the clemency letter first.
[00:13:57]  Sure.
[00:13:58]  And had to check with his probation officer.
[00:14:00]  Oh, of course.
[00:14:01]  So he gave it to Hannity.
[00:14:01]  That's fine.
[00:14:03]  I'm glad he's at least out there and able to speak in this so-called free country.
[00:14:07]  Sure you are.
[00:14:08]  Sure you are, Alex.
[00:14:09]  Dripping.
[00:14:10]  I love the idea that Roger told me.
[00:14:13]  Dude, I want to give you the exclusive, but I needed to get my clemency letter.
[00:14:17]  I needed to get the clemency letter.
[00:14:20]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:14:21]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:14:22]  That's why I'm going on Hannity first.
[00:14:25]  Alex, you're still a very important boy.
[00:14:27]  Don't worry.
[00:14:28]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:14:29]  Absolutely.
[00:14:30]  Come the fuck on.
[00:14:31]  It's ridiculous.
[00:14:33]  So Alex does have Roger on.
[00:14:34]  I'm not just playing games.
[00:14:35]  He will show up.
[00:14:36]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:14:37]  But, I mean, in terms of guests, Alex might have a bigger heavy hitter on this episode.
[00:14:43]  We have Jim Hoff's brother who's lived in Hong Kong and is an executive and looked at the numbers and writing a bunch of big articles for Gateway Pundit.
[00:14:50]  He's going to be joining us as well.
[00:14:53]  So much to cover today.
[00:14:54]  So you got Jim Hoff's brother.
[00:14:57]  Jim Hoff's brother.
[00:14:58]  I almost thought he said Jimmy Hoffa's brother.
[00:14:59]  No, no, no.
[00:15:00]  Are we calling him Jim Hoffa now?
[00:15:03]  No.
[00:15:03]  Jim Hoff is the guy who runs Gateway Pundit.
[00:15:05]  Right, right, right.
[00:15:06]  And his brother...
[00:15:07]  Look, dude, if you're somebody who has their own reality and their own expertise and reason to be there, your credit wouldn't be you're Jim Hoff's brother.
[00:15:17]  No.
[00:15:18]  That, to me, is a bad sign.
[00:15:20]  Because this guy, I guess his name, I don't even remember what it is.
[00:15:23]  He's Jim Hoft's brother.
[00:15:24]  Sure.
[00:15:24]  But if he was somebody who's like, oh shit, let's listen to this guy, you could just say, John Hoft is on, and that would mean something.
[00:15:33]  Like, my brother would be not somebody you'd want to talk to about Alex Jones-related issues.
[00:15:37]  Right.
[00:15:38]  He's a really smart, interesting guy.
[00:15:40]  Totally.
[00:15:40]  And he has his own world where he's relevant.
[00:15:42]  Yeah.
[00:15:43]  And you know what?
[00:15:43]  The stuff that he does...
[00:15:45]  I couldn't comment on it.
[00:15:46]  Of course not!
[00:15:47]  We could not comment on each other's areas of expertise.
[00:15:50]  Familial ties does not imply expertise!
[00:15:53]  Exactly.
[00:15:53]  So having my brother on a show that's like...
[00:15:57]  Talking about right-wing propaganda, it would be silly to be like, Dan's brother is on.
[00:16:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:03]  Great.
[00:16:03]  Who cares?
[00:16:04]  Yeah, I don't think I've ever wanted to be brought up to, this is Aaron's brother.
[00:16:10]  I don't think that would work well for me.
[00:16:13]  You get just for laughs.
[00:16:14]  You're coming out in Montreal, and they're like, Aaron's brother.
[00:16:17]  Welcome to our new Faces show, Aaron's brother!
[00:16:21]  I don't know.
[00:16:23]  What have you done?
[00:16:24]  Eh, don't worry about it.
[00:16:25]  Oh, also, if your credit, as Jim Hoff's brother, is you right for the thing that Jim Hoff runs?
[00:16:30]  Yeah.
[00:16:31]  I have further questions about your bona fides, whether or not you're worth listening to.
[00:16:36]  Coming up next, we have the concept of nepotism right over here.
[00:16:39]  Come on down!
[00:16:40]  Great.
[00:16:41]  So this is where we're at, I guess.
[00:16:43]  We got Roger Stone coming in real late and Jim Hoff's brother.

=== Fighting for Rights (05:03) ===

[00:16:48]  This is sad.
[00:16:49]  Yes, it is.
[00:16:50]  And in fact, I turned this episode off.
[00:16:52]  I think Alex did the fourth hour, but he kind of made it sound like him and Paul Joseph Watson were going to do it together, so it was like, click.
[00:16:59]  No, no tag team on that.
[00:17:01]  Don't care.
[00:17:01]  Nope.
[00:17:02]  So Alex is in a bit of a bad headspace early on, and he finds himself in a situation where he's warning his audience that the time will be fast approaching.
[00:17:12]  You will need to fight for your life.
[00:17:13]  Sure.
[00:17:14]  You'll need to engage in Mortal Kombat.
[00:17:17]  Okay.
[00:17:17]  You will be forced to take action.
[00:17:20]  You will be forced to fight for your very life.
[00:17:23]  Because when it was easy to win, you didn't stand up for the unborn.
[00:17:27]  When it was easy to win, you didn't stand up for the old people.
[00:17:29]  When it was easy to win, you didn't stand up for your own right, your own territory, your own freedoms.
[00:17:34]  And what are rights?
[00:17:35]  Rights aren't just the term, a right you have.
[00:17:37]  It's a right that people fought for, so there are rights of passage.
[00:17:41]  There are rights of blood payment.
[00:17:43]  That you've been living off of, that I've been living off of.
[00:17:46]  All of this largesse was money in the bank.
[00:17:49]  It was blood in the bank.
[00:17:50]  It was blood, sweat, and tears.
[00:17:51]  It was paid for.
[00:17:56]  But we took it for granted.
[00:17:57]  Alex might not realize it, but he's using two different words there that just sound the same.
[00:18:02]  If it's a homophone, it has the same definition.
[00:18:05]  That's why we have the word homophone.
[00:18:06]  So R-I-G-H-T describes things that you're entitled to.
[00:18:10]  Things that cannot be denied to you by virtue of you being a person.
[00:18:13]  There's a bunch of different sort of slight definitions.
[00:18:15]  It's all around that.
[00:18:16]  The other word, R-I-T-E, is a word that means ceremony or custom.
[00:18:21]  These words have different roots and completely different meanings, but they're pronounced the same in English, so I can see how Alex would treat them as the same.
[00:18:27]  He would be more comfortable if it was pronounced ritual.
[00:18:30]  That would make more sense to him.
[00:18:31]  He can't get the whole ritual.
[00:18:33]  Rites of passage.
[00:18:33]  Rites and ritual don't seem to, yeah.
[00:18:35]  Is not R-I-G-H-T's of passage.
[00:18:39]  Also, it's weird that he's claiming that these rights are fought for, because that's completely out of step with the underpinnings of his patriot right-wing ideology.
[00:18:47]  Inalienable means fought for, right?
[00:18:49]  No, no, no.
[00:18:50]  Rights are not fought for.
[00:18:51]  They exist by virtue of being given by God.
[00:18:53]  The fights that have happened in history, they've happened against people who would seek to infringe those rights, but they can't do anything to actually take those rights away from you.
[00:19:02]  Even in a tyranny or a dictatorship, you still have rights.
[00:19:06]  And in fact, that's a large part of what makes authoritarianism so evil, is that these people are working to temporarily deprive you of that which God has bestowed upon you.
[00:19:15]  Alex saying that these rights have been earned with blood and that the blood bank is running dry, that's completely foreign to the angle he's supposed to have on rights.
[00:19:23]  That's kind of weird to me, and it almost sounds like he believes that rights only exist because of some kind of human sacrifice in the name of rights that happened in the past, which is pretty close to what he believes the globalists are into.
[00:19:34]  No, no, Dan, when a white person turns 13, they are given their rights, and then one of those rights is to take them away from people of color.
[00:19:41]  I don't understand why you don't understand this.
[00:19:43]  It seems very out of step with the larger understanding of these things that are in the right-wing world.
[00:19:51]  Right, right.
[00:19:52]  These militia communities, they believe that these attacks on the ideas of religiosity and society, the separation of church and state, is an attempt to attack God and to get rid of God and society because all rights flow from God.
[00:20:08]  So you get rid of God and therefore you get rid of the excuse why anyone has rights.
[00:20:12]  Naturally.
[00:20:13]  So what I'm assuming is this entire segment is going to be about how he supports the protesters in Portland.
[00:20:20]  As they fight against the federal government sending in agents to kill them, basically.
[00:20:25]  Right-wing death squads coming in to...
[00:20:28]  They knocked a man out of his wheelchair and beat him.
[00:20:31]  He doesn't really talk about that a lot.
[00:20:34]  But they're fighting for their freedoms and their territory and their rights.
[00:20:37]  He's gotta know that.
[00:20:38]  I don't know that this comes up in any meaningful way.
[00:20:41]  I do think he mentioned Portland, just the word Portland, when he's talking about white people getting beat up by a BLM.
[00:20:49]  Sure, sure.
[00:20:50]  He hasn't covered any of that situation in any meaningful way to the point where I've had the cause to do a deep dive on it.
[00:20:59]  And because of that, I'm trying to keep up with the news, but I'm finding it very challenging.
[00:21:03]  And I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a good grasp on that situation, and that may be something that I need to correct.
[00:21:09]  That's one thing that Alex has in common, finally, with the rest of the mainstream media, an absolute willingness to ignore Portland.
[00:21:17]  Yeah.
[00:21:17]  It does seem, though.
[00:21:19]  It really does.
[00:21:20]  It's kind of freaking me out.
[00:21:21]  So Alex has some dystopian fantasies that he's working through here.
[00:21:24]  Sure, like in Portland.
[00:21:25]  Well, they're different.
[00:21:27]  And then he has, like, a new product that's totally not a replacement for a product he's been told he can't sell anymore.
[00:21:34]  And the nightmare will get more intense as they claim, oh, the answer is more socialism, more communism, more Satanism, more New World Order, and it'll finally get so terrible!

=== Boycott Activated Charcoal (04:27) ===

[00:21:44]  That the enforcers and the jail guards of the New World Order will start rebelling, but then the globalists have always failed.
[00:21:50]  The Jacobins have always failed because humans finally wake up.
[00:21:55]  That's why the robots, the drones, the combat robots, the controls, the automated chips, everything not working.
[00:22:03]  If they hit a switch, that's their deuce ex.
[00:22:06]  That's their ace in the hole.
[00:22:09]  That's their secret weapon.
[00:22:11]  Wait.
[00:22:12]  That's their master plan.
[00:22:14]  So we move to rural areas.
[00:22:16]  We become independent.
[00:22:17]  We educate everyone about the New World Order.
[00:22:19]  We dig in and we don't comply with any of the New World Order.
[00:22:23]  And we boycott the New World Order.
[00:22:25]  And we boycott their big companies.
[00:22:26]  And we boycott their systems because they are the enemy.
[00:22:29]  And we support the independent.
[00:22:32]  Speaking of that.
[00:22:33]  Here we go.
[00:22:34]  This has been in development for over a year.
[00:22:37]  Smooth.
[00:22:38]  And we're really proud of it.
[00:22:39]  But we're launching eight other products with it, with a whole new product line of really high-quality stuff.
[00:22:44]  It's being done under Dr. Jones Essentials, another company, a separate company from me, and we sell the product as we diversify operations for a lot of reasons.
[00:22:52]  I wonder.
[00:22:54]  Platforming, you name it.
[00:22:55]  Sure, there's a lot of reasons.
[00:22:57]  We have activated charcoal mouthwash and super high-quality activated charcoal toothpaste with no additives.
[00:23:04]  This stuff is amazing.
[00:23:05]  This was not to compete with the old toothpaste.
[00:23:07]  Does it cure COVID?
[00:23:09]  You saw the Soros-financed attorney general that sent everybody to die in the nursing homes, the mass murderer, Letitia James, come out and say that I said I had a COVID-19 cure when I didn't.
[00:23:20]  She tried to criminally get me a bunch of other stuff.
[00:23:22]  So we just stopped selling it.
[00:23:24]  So she stopped saying that.
[00:23:25]  We are planning litigation.
[00:23:26]  We've got some stuff behind the scenes.
[00:23:27]  It's got to be cleared up before we do that.
[00:23:29]  But we have to go after her.
[00:23:31]  But this has nothing to do with COVID-19.
[00:23:34]  It's activated charcoal with a bunch of essential oils and things.
[00:23:36]  It's really high quality.
[00:23:37]  We can't sell it to you yet.
[00:23:38]  It's been in for a couple weeks.
[00:23:40]  There's one other test that's got to be done.
[00:23:42]  We follow all the most strict things.
[00:23:43]  To see if it cures COVID.
[00:23:44]  The test we're in, I thought it was done, the final test.
[00:23:47]  A certificate of authenticity.
[00:23:49]  This is a great ad, by the way.
[00:23:50]  The test is being done.
[00:23:51]  So we don't have this on sale until next week.
[00:23:54]  So the big sale, the big new thing I told you we had, is not here.
[00:23:57]  What the hell is happening?
[00:24:00]  This whole rambly bullshit about like, hey, yeah, we got this new toothpaste, but it's totally not because I got told that I can't sell this other toothpaste because of how I was selling it.
[00:24:09]  It's super unethical and maybe illegal.
[00:24:11]  But we got this new activated charcoal toothpaste, which is pretty cool.
[00:24:15]  Maybe turn your mouth black.
[00:24:17]  And, hey, we don't have it.
[00:24:19]  It's not for sale.
[00:24:20]  Oh, they're after me Lucky Charms now.
[00:24:22]  Admittedly, they're not on sale yet.
[00:24:23]  They won't be on sale for quite a while, but eventually they'll be coming and then they'll be after my Lucky Charms.
[00:24:28]  And then, oh, there's so many Lucky Charms that they're trying to steal.
[00:24:31]  It's a weird buzz marketing strategy trying to get people excited about this charcoal toothpaste.
[00:24:37]  Oh, we've got new rainbows coming out.
[00:24:41]  Not yet.
[00:24:42]  We gotta put them through testing.
[00:24:44]  Very weird.
[00:24:45]  Yeah, that's not good.
[00:24:46]  Very weird.
[00:24:48]  But good luck with this.
[00:24:49]  So Alex, we know from a ways back, he's been getting into props lately.
[00:24:56]  He had the chessboard skull and the rose on the desk that is esoteric.
[00:25:01]  That he got called out for it being actually cultic.
[00:25:04]  Well, it's satanic, of course.
[00:25:05]  But as we know, he was on the fence about Satanism.
[00:25:08]  Maybe he's still on the fence.
[00:25:09]  That was as a teen.
[00:25:10]  So he's got a new prop.
[00:25:11]  He's been talking about this for the last couple days, but I've just been ignoring it.
[00:25:14]  And I finally got to a point where I'm like, I gotta...
[00:25:17]  All right, fine.
[00:25:18]  I'll take the bait.
[00:25:19]  A lot of people are going to ask me, what's up with the angel wings?
[00:25:23]  Roman archetypal standard symbol with a skull, and that's not plastic from the store.
[00:25:36]  And that double-edged dagger right there, it's actually a tri-edged dagger.
[00:25:43]  Is he just looking at the side of Vans?

=== Rockefeller's Spiritual Strategy (15:47) ===

[00:25:48]  It's definitely a message to everybody.
[00:25:52]  You will not escape God's judgment.
[00:25:54]  Sure.
[00:25:54]  God is above death.
[00:25:56]  God is above humans and war and life itself.
[00:25:59]  Okay.
[00:26:01]  This is a political show.
[00:26:06]  Hey, we're going to break down the real politics situation, but also here on my desk I have angel wings, a skull, and a tri-edged knife to remind you that none shall escape God's vengeance.
[00:26:17]  Yep, yep, yep.
[00:26:19]  What is this?
[00:26:20]  Dude, come on.
[00:26:21]  That was on Maddow two weeks ago.
[00:26:23]  He's just stealing that shit.
[00:26:24]  That's plagiarism.
[00:26:25]  He's also repurposing the skull from his last prop.
[00:26:27]  He's like, that skull's too good.
[00:26:29]  Get rid of the chessboard and the rose.
[00:26:31]  As any local theater company will tell you, you gotta repurpose props.
[00:26:35]  What a fucking dick.
[00:26:38]  Anyway, Alex gets to talking about...
[00:26:40]  I don't know.
[00:26:43]  China?
[00:26:44]  Whatever.
[00:26:44]  Sure, sure.
[00:26:45]  Rockefellers, they're evil.
[00:26:46]  Yeah, gotta get them.
[00:26:47]  But let's get to this first.
[00:26:48]  It was David Rockefeller when Mao Zedong died in 1976.
[00:26:53]  Wrote a big op-ed piece.
[00:26:55]  You can just type in...
[00:26:56]  David Rockefeller, New York Times article, Mao Zedong.
[00:26:59]  He wrote two of them, but you'll find the messages from a world traveler.
[00:27:05]  I think it's the exact headline.
[00:27:07]  And he says, I helped put Mao in.
[00:27:09]  I love Mao.
[00:27:10]  Mao's the answer.
[00:27:11]  Communism's what we need.
[00:27:12]  This is from the richest man in the world, arguably at the time.
[00:27:15]  So, we talked about this in the endgame stuff, but it's been a while.
[00:27:18]  So, first of all, now died in 1976.
[00:27:21]  David Rockefeller's op-ed was published on August 10th, 1973.
[00:27:25]  Why do you say those are different things?
[00:27:26]  Well, because Alex connected the two, and it's not connected.
[00:27:29]  Second, the headline was, quote, from a China traveler.
[00:27:32]  Alex got the title wrong.
[00:27:33]  Third, let's take a look at the specific claims Alex is making.
[00:27:37]  He says that Rockefeller says in the op-ed that he helped put Mao into power, that he loves Mao, that Mao is the answer, and that communism is what we need.
[00:27:45]  Four for four.
[00:27:45]  Rockefeller's op-ed says literally none of these things.
[00:27:48]  Alex is completely lying about that, knowing that his audience will never actually go read the actual article.
[00:27:53]  It's hard to read.
[00:27:54]  The closest that Rockefeller gets is to say, quote, The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.
[00:28:03]  Which is something that he was saying based on the impression he was able to get after a short visit to China.
[00:28:09]  If you read the complete article, however, you get the sense that Rockefeller may have some misgivings about what he himself experienced.
[00:28:16]  At multiple points, Rockefeller qualifies his own impressions.
[00:28:19]  He says, quote, In terms of simple geographic expanse, a week and a half visit to China is something equivalent to trying to see New York City in less than one and a half minutes.
[00:28:29]  That's in the opening paragraph, which should give the clear understanding that he wasn't in a position to have a fully immersed perspective.
[00:28:35]  So, as someone who has been in New York for one and a half minutes, I guarantee you I am an expert on both New York and China.
[00:28:41]  Yeah, he's not a local.
[00:28:42]  He's, as the title says, a China traveler.
[00:28:45]  Later in the article, Rockefeller even acknowledges that this view of the country he was getting was a curated one.
[00:28:51]  Each step of the trip was choreographed precisely by our hosts, and though virtually all our requests were granted, we clearly saw what they wanted us to.
[00:29:00]  His qualified impression of the country was that progress was being made.
[00:29:04]  Poverty, starvation, and crime were at much lower levels than they were 20 years prior.
[00:29:10]  In the same time period, the number of children receiving an education had jumped from 20% to 80%.
[00:29:15]  At the same time, Rockefeller absolutely does not sugarcoat things in that op-ed.
[00:29:20]  As he puts it, The first question was about individuality and creativity being contained in the country.
[00:29:35]  That is an issue.
[00:29:48]  The second question is how well the Chinese economy would be able to adapt to technological advancement and to foreign trade.
[00:29:54]  This is largely a strategic and logistical question.
[00:29:57]  The third question is, quote, are we and the Chinese prepared to accept our very real differences and still proceed toward the closer mutual understanding that must be the basis for substantive future contact?
[00:30:09]  And the answer to that was emphatically, of course.
[00:30:13]  That question had to do with how both sides, both America and China, would likely need to make a lot of accommodation in the future in order to coexist in an increasingly interdependent world.
[00:30:23]  None of the stuff Alex is saying about this op-ed is real.
[00:30:26]  All Alex knows about this article is what he's heard about it from paranoid John Birch Society pamphlets, which have basically no connection to reality.
[00:30:33]  And you can take, you know, a perspective of, you know, Rockefeller had all of the information that he could possibly have had at that point, but that doesn't seem to be accurate.
[00:30:45]  You're applying a 2020 mind to someone...
[00:30:49]  In 1973, at a time when Chinese-U.S.
[00:30:52]  relations were not what they are now, the flow of information was not what it is now.
[00:30:58]  I mean, that's like, you know, you hate TERFs now.
[00:31:02]  Go back to 1973 and see how you do with the feminist movement then.
[00:31:06]  It's like that kind of thing.
[00:31:08]  Yeah, it's unfair to apply modern awareness to...
[00:31:14]  Well, I mean, it's fine to look at it and critique what could have been.
[00:31:17]  Totally.
[00:31:18]  But it's not fair to assume that everybody at every point in the past knew everything that we know now.
[00:31:23]  Right, right, right.
[00:31:24]  And that's a big part of the game that's being played.
[00:31:27]  And then the second part of the game is just making shit up about this op-ed.
[00:31:29]  It's kind of frustrating.
[00:31:30]  I mean, I don't care about David Rockefeller.
[00:31:32]  I think he probably was not a great guy.
[00:31:35]  No, he's probably not.
[00:31:35]  In a lot of ways.
[00:31:36]  The very aspect of having that much money makes you not a great guy.
[00:31:39]  I think that there's probably plenty of...
[00:31:42]  Yeah.
[00:31:43]  Almost certainly.
[00:31:44]  Yeah.
[00:31:44]  Now, all the things that Alex brings up are all the wrong things.
[00:31:47]  Of course.
[00:31:48]  Of course.
[00:31:48]  That puts me in the un-cherishable position of being like...
[00:31:55]  You're lying about Rockefeller.
[00:31:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:57]  Like I'm a Rockefeller guy or whatever.
[00:31:59]  Oh man, I have to defend Rockefeller, you son of a bitch.
[00:32:02]  I'm mad at you for making me do this.
[00:32:04]  Yeah.
[00:32:04]  So a lot of this episode is sort of bland, what I would call just sort of COVID denial.
[00:32:13]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:32:14]  And so Alex gets it.
[00:32:15]  There's one point that he makes that I think is like undefensible.
[00:32:19]  But let's get to this first.
[00:32:22]  I was looking this morning at numbers out of Texas.
[00:32:25]  Did you know flu deaths and pneumonia deaths and all these other deaths are way down?
[00:32:28]  Because they've all been moved into the COVID column just like they've done around the country in months before.
[00:32:34]  They're just still doing it and then admitting they're doing it!
[00:32:38]  Alex is a goddamn liar.
[00:32:40]  No one is moving flu deaths to the COVID-19 column, and there's a really good reason why flu deaths are going way down.
[00:32:45]  It's because it's July.
[00:32:47]  Flu season is pretty much over by May.
[00:32:50]  We'll see an uptick in flu cases in the United States again, but it probably won't be for another few months.
[00:32:55]  Alex knows that and is lying about it, or he doesn't know that, and he has absolutely zero reason to be speaking on these subjects.
[00:33:02]  If you don't understand when flu season is, and you're trying to say flu deaths are way down and it's somehow suspicious, you are unqualified or a liar.
[00:33:12]  One of the two.
[00:33:14]  There's no third option there.
[00:33:16]  And to imagine that it's not increasingly unbelievable.
[00:33:19]  Like, any kind of conspiracy of that sort that he's trying to pull off.
[00:33:24]  We're a long ways into it.
[00:33:26]  You're not going to get me on pneumonia now.
[00:33:29]  You didn't get me before.
[00:33:31]  You definitely aren't going to get me after flu season.
[00:33:33]  That shit ain't happening.
[00:33:35]  So Alex laments that there's hysteria going on in the world.
[00:33:38]  There's a lot of hysteria.
[00:33:40]  And he discusses how he's going to play some clips to demonstrate it.
[00:33:44]  I'm playing this because I largely want to...
[00:33:48]  There's a point I want to make, and I'll make it after this clip.
[00:33:50]  But the first thing I want to go ahead and play for you is the hysteria, the craziness that's going on.
[00:33:59]  This is a video of a deranged SJW yells to airline passengers, I will kill everybody on this plane unless you accept...
[00:34:09]  Jesus was a black man.
[00:34:10]  Then we'll play the clip here of Marxist BLM protester leader calls for black militia revolution.
[00:34:20]  What point are you trying to make with these clips?
[00:34:23]  Like, what point are you trying to make other than race baiting?
[00:34:27]  Like, what coherent point is being made by the selection and the curating of these topics?
[00:34:34]  These bullet points.
[00:34:36]  What is...
[00:34:37]  What can be the editorial through line of a lot of this stuff other than be scared of black people?
[00:34:43]  Ah, all BLM SJWs are actually D.B. Cooper, Dan.
[00:34:49]  That is who they are, and that's how we do it.
[00:34:51]  Was that what D.B. Cooper was trying to do?
[00:34:53]  That's what D.B. Cooper was trying to do.
[00:34:54]  Wow.
[00:34:55]  Yeah, you didn't know that?
[00:34:56]  He got the stuff, jumped off right as he left.
[00:35:01]  Guys!
[00:35:02]  Black Jesus!
[00:35:03]  And then was gone into the night.
[00:35:04]  Right.
[00:35:05]  That's how it worked.
[00:35:05]  I find some of this to be trivial.
[00:35:11]  Some of it to be, you know, okay, that's an interesting story, I guess.
[00:35:16]  I didn't even look into this person on the plane.
[00:35:18]  I don't know what the story is there.
[00:35:20]  But even the worst case scenario of that is...
[00:35:23]  Yeah, someone threatened to kill people on a plane.
[00:35:25]  I hope they got arrested.
[00:35:26]  I don't really care why they did what they did.
[00:35:28]  This is a weird story.
[00:35:30]  And then the other one, the Black Lives Matter person saying that there should be black militias.
[00:35:35]  Alex should be in favor of that.
[00:35:36]  Yeah, totally.
[00:35:37]  He's in favor of militias.
[00:35:38]  Apparently not, in some cases.
[00:35:40]  They're organized to fight against the federal government.
[00:35:43]  He should love militias.
[00:35:44]  Right.
[00:35:44]  He just doesn't...
[00:35:45]  Yeah, whatever.
[00:35:46]  I wonder if there's something different.
[00:35:47]  So, some of this stuff would be a little bit more, like...
[00:35:51]  I don't even know.
[00:35:52]  I listen to this and I'm like, Alex, why do you not do any...
[00:35:56]  This is really difficult to put into words.
[00:36:00]  But what I'm trying to get at is there's moments in Alex's show where his lack of doing any work or any preparation accidentally reveals how little he knows about the world.
[00:36:11]  And this next clip is one of those that I think is just like, you shouldn't allow yourself to be put in situations where you look like this.
[00:36:18]  And see, that's what this is all about.
[00:36:20]  Ignoramus' video of the UK black rioters tear-down statue of African icon Haley Sasselli.
[00:36:29]  And it goes on from there.
[00:36:31]  That clip tells me a couple of interesting things.
[00:36:33]  The first is that Alex has no idea who Haile Selassie is.
[00:36:37]  Oh no!
[00:36:38]  He didn't!
[00:36:39]  That's what he did!
[00:36:40]  Sasselli!
[00:36:41]  No!
[00:36:41]  Get the fuck out!
[00:36:43]  No!
[00:36:44]  That is...
[00:36:45]  That is our new Bolshevara!
[00:36:47]  Yeah.
[00:36:48]  Haile Selassie was the emperor of Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974.
[00:36:53]  And he's a central figure in the Rastafari ideology.
[00:36:56]  You can't possibly listen to any decent reggae and not know Haile Selassie's name.
[00:37:00]  And that's coming from me, a person who can't listen to reggae.
[00:37:03]  Who hates reggae.
[00:37:04]  I don't hate it.
[00:37:04]  It just makes me anxious.
[00:37:05]  It makes me anxious.
[00:37:07]  We're going to be okay.
[00:37:07]  We'll get through this.
[00:37:08]  It's too chill.
[00:37:09]  I understand.
[00:37:12]  It's inconceivable to me that Alex would have no idea what that name is when he looks...
[00:37:17]  That's unreal.
[00:37:18]  The second thing that clip tells me is that Alex sees a statue being knocked over and assumes that it must be connected to every other statue he's read about.
[00:37:24]  And that's bad thinking, because there's no reason to assume that just because one group wants to take down certain statues, then all statue-related stories must be involved with that group.
[00:37:33]  In the reporting I can find about this statue, it appears that this one was destroyed in an event that's most likely related to unrest in Ethiopia.
[00:37:42]  According to the BBC, this has to do with the killing of a popular musician named Hachalu Hundesa.
[00:37:48]  Hundesa was a big proponent of the Oromo rites, which is an ethnic group that were oppressed by Selassie's regime.
[00:37:54]  A witness saw men gathering in the park in London, where the Selassie statue was, carrying flyers with Oromo slogans, which gives a pretty strong indication that this is what this story is about in this case.
[00:38:06]  The statue of Selassie's father, one of those, was recently torn down in Harar in Ethiopia.
[00:38:12]  And the reason there was this Haile Selassie statue in London...
[00:38:16]  Was because he had lived in Wimbledon when he was in exile in 1936.
[00:38:20]  Gotcha.
[00:38:20]  So he'd been there, and that's why there was a statue.
[00:38:22]  Right.
[00:38:22]  This incident is unrelated to the larger phenomenon of BLM-related statue issues, but there's not any room for nuance in Alex's show.
[00:38:29]  Yeah, of course.
[00:38:30]  If it's about a statue, it's the same story, and it's about a guy named Sicily.
[00:38:34]  Oh, God.
[00:38:36]  You know, I mean, here's the thing about statues, is generally speaking, on the average, now, I'm not saying it's all...
[00:38:44]  But on the average, fascists and people who oppress people are the ones most interested in getting statues.
[00:38:52]  There's a good chance that if you're knocking down a statue, you're doing all right.
[00:38:55]  There is a desire among despots and autocrats to have effigies of themselves created.
[00:39:02]  That is true.
[00:39:03]  Love that shit.
[00:39:04]  So Alex gets to talking about Roger coming on, and we're about to get to it.
[00:39:09]  Okay.
[00:39:09]  And in order for this to really make sense...
[00:39:13]  Still has got to be important, right?
[00:39:14]  I mean...
[00:39:15]  It better.
[00:39:16]  Well, Alex has to...
[00:39:17]  You better bring the juice.
[00:39:17]  Alex has to qualify.
[00:39:19]  Oh, no.
[00:39:20]  They're on screen.
[00:39:21]  There he is.
[00:39:22]  We're going to be going to Roger here in just a moment.
[00:39:25]  In the second hour, look very much forward to him giving us the first big exclusive D-Capt interview.
[00:39:31]  Went on Hannity last night.
[00:39:32]  That's awesome.
[00:39:33]  But this time, he won't just have 10 minutes.
[00:39:34]  He will have the whole next hour to really get into...
[00:39:38]  The election, his clemency, being attacked by Mueller.
[00:39:42]  So yeah, this is the first exclusive longer interview.
[00:39:46]  You only had 10 minutes on Hannity.
[00:39:48]  Yeah, this is Frost-Nixon now.
[00:39:49]  Now we're in the real shit.
[00:39:51]  So, I mean, you could just keep adding adjectives.
[00:39:55]  This is exclusively the first 458th episode of our podcast.
[00:40:01]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:40:02]  Exclusive.
[00:40:02]  That's true.
[00:40:03]  No one has ever done that before.
[00:40:04]  Just keep adding adjectives.
[00:40:05]  Yeah, why not?
[00:40:06]  This is the exclusive episode.
[00:40:08]  We talk about Roger coming on for the first time after his clemency.
[00:40:12]  Look, nobody has done that before.
[00:40:13]  Yeah.
[00:40:14]  So it's pretty much what you'd expect.
[00:40:16]  It's honestly not the best hour of Roger's life.
[00:40:19]  God damn it!
[00:40:20]  He's gotta...
[00:40:21]  He's not waggling his dick!
[00:40:24]  He's supposed to be...
[00:40:24]  Part of that is because of his coming to God.
[00:40:28]  You know, like, he claims that he doesn't want revenge on people now because of his newfound religion.
[00:40:34]  But he does think that it was an act of God that Trump carried out.
[00:40:38]  So I'm very grateful to God.
[00:40:40]  I'm very grateful to the president, who I believe received divine guidance to do the right thing, although I think he would have done the right thing, but I'm very grateful to both of them.
[00:40:49]  Sure.
[00:40:50]  So it's an act of God.
[00:40:51]  Now, Jordan, this next clip, I'm going to have to ask you to put your mic down, because this is a big interview for Alex.
[00:40:59]  Now, granted...
[00:41:00]  Roger kind of gave him the bird by going on Hannity for the exclusive.
[00:41:04]  Kind of.
[00:41:04]  But still, Alex is in the business of presenting this as a big deal.
[00:41:08]  Right.
[00:41:09]  He has to.
[00:41:09]  He's got to.
[00:41:10]  He has to.
[00:41:10]  And so in this next clip, Roger is talking about how his enemies are the ones who should be on trial.
[00:41:15]  Right.
[00:41:16]  And see if you notice anything about Alex's response.
[00:41:18]  So in my view, Andrew Weissman should be indicted for sedition and for treason.

=== George Soros' Claims (03:49) ===

[00:41:23]  It's time for them to get him in front of the grand jury.
[00:41:26]  Hopefully John Durham is going to do that.
[00:41:28]  I have my doubts.
[00:41:30]  But I'm still praying for it, and who knows?
[00:41:32]  It might happen.
[00:41:33]  And everything you said is true and on record.
[00:41:36]  It's come out that Hillary knew it was Russians.
[00:41:38]  It's incredible how they turned everything around on us.
[00:41:41]  Alex is eating.
[00:41:42]  Oh, no!
[00:41:45]  Alex is eating lunch during his Roger interview.
[00:41:49]  It is so fun to know so clearly now the subtle shade.
[00:41:55]  That's the fun part.
[00:41:57]  Now that we're this...
[00:41:58]  Look.
[00:41:59]  We're too immersed to enjoy the small stuff, the surface-level stuff.
[00:42:02]  Perhaps.
[00:42:02]  But the I-just-took-a-bite talk during Stone's interview, that's for you and me, Dan.
[00:42:08]  That's a real fuck you.
[00:42:09]  That's for us.
[00:42:12]  I really wish that Roger would be like, are you eating?
[00:42:15]  Yeah, totally!
[00:42:16]  Yes!
[00:42:17]  He has the status to pull that off.
[00:42:19]  Take this Cold War hot!
[00:42:20]  What the fuck is wrong with you?
[00:42:20]  You guys love hot wars!
[00:42:22]  Take the Cold War hot!
[00:42:23]  Yeah.
[00:42:23]  So in this next clip, Alex is talking to Roger.
[00:42:26]  Roger claims that Fox News, they have some censorship issues.
[00:42:31]  I was on Fox not long ago.
[00:42:34]  We're doing an interview.
[00:42:35]  I'm not going to tell you with whom.
[00:42:37]  And just before we went on in my earpiece, the producer came on and said, oh, one more thing, Mr. Stone.
[00:42:43]  Under no circumstances can you mention George Soros.
[00:42:46]  And I said, well, I wasn't going to.
[00:42:48]  It's not related to the topic I'm here to discuss.
[00:42:52]  They said, well, we just wanted you to understand our policy.
[00:42:55]  Now, this makes no sense to me.
[00:42:56]  I cannot explain why that would be the case.
[00:43:00]  He's untouchable, and that's exactly what I've been told by people at Fox.
[00:43:04]  Oh yeah, Fox News never bringing up Soros.
[00:43:06]  I cannot understand why this subject would be untouchable.
[00:43:09]  I can't think of any possible reason that you, the guy who is so used to defaming George Soros, you couldn't stop yourself if you tried.
[00:43:19]  I don't think it's a Fox News thing.
[00:43:21]  I think it's a Roger thing.
[00:43:23]  Well, let's see if I can just do a little Google here for Tucker and George Soros.
[00:43:30]  What's the most recent?
[00:43:33]  Tucker claims George Soros is...
[00:43:36]  What do we got here?
[00:43:37]  Tucker Carlson claims George Soros is, quote, remaking America?
[00:43:41]  Uh-huh.
[00:43:42]  Well, that must be on the third page of results.
[00:43:44]  Google, obviously...
[00:43:45]  That's from Heretz?
[00:43:45]  No, no, no.
[00:43:46]  It's got to be on the third page.
[00:43:48]  From June 2019.
[00:43:49]  Google's shadow banning it.
[00:43:50]  Uh-huh.
[00:43:51]  Okay.
[00:43:51]  Yeah, so it's pretty easy to find it.
[00:43:53]  Nah, he's never done.
[00:43:55]  You gotta really do some deep research, Dan.
[00:43:56]  This one requires your level of attention.
[00:43:58]  So yeah, Fox News barely moratorium on mentioning George Soros.
[00:44:03]  Sure.
[00:44:03]  So, Roger, I think he knew that he had to come with something to make this occasion special.
[00:44:09]  Yeah.
[00:44:10]  Because, obviously, you know...
[00:44:12]  Give Alex a piece of cake.
[00:44:13]  Tucker, I mean, he's on vacation, so Roger couldn't have gone on that.
[00:44:17]  He's on vacation that was pre-planned months ago.
[00:44:21]  Totally.
[00:44:21]  Not a weird momentary decision.
[00:44:24]  You went on Hannity, and you get on Hannity by being the exclusive.
[00:44:29]  Yes.
[00:44:30]  If you're not willing to do that, Hannity probably doesn't have time for you.
[00:44:34]  Alex, on the other hand, is the kind of guy that you can give a trinket to.
[00:44:39]  You can maybe give him a world's greatest talk show host hat.
[00:44:43]  Love it.
[00:44:43]  It'd be enough.
[00:44:45]  So here's what Alex gets as a consolation prize for being completely kicked to the curb by Roger.
[00:44:51]  So I'm going to do something very historic now, right on the air here at InfoWars.

=== Graham Signs The Moment He Gets It (12:03) ===

[00:44:56]  I'm going to actually sign my acceptance.
[00:44:59]  Of the commutation by the President of the United States.
[00:45:02]  There you see it.
[00:45:03]  It is not signed.
[00:45:05]  This is a historic moment.
[00:45:07]  This is the document that saves my life.
[00:45:11]  It now has my signature on it, as you can see.
[00:45:15]  And there it is.
[00:45:16]  So I have accepted the act of mercy, the act of justice by a benevolent president, a man who believes deeply in justice.
[00:45:26]  Who believes in fairness, who knows I did not get a fair trial, who knows I was subjected to a Soviet-style show trial before a kangaroo court.
[00:45:36]  It wasn't a trial, it was more like a lynching.
[00:45:39]  I mean, Owen Schroyer was there.
[00:45:40]  He saw it with his own eyes.
[00:45:42]  It was like a lynching.
[00:45:43]  So, I mean, like...
[00:45:45]  You could feel the electricity in that moment.
[00:45:48]  Like, you could feel it being historic.
[00:45:50]  I'm really bummed.
[00:45:52]  I'm really bummed.
[00:45:53]  I bet that was just a piece of paper.
[00:45:55]  Totally.
[00:45:55]  No chance was that the real thing.
[00:45:57]  He signed that the moment he got it.
[00:45:59]  I don't know.
[00:46:00]  Based on what he says later, he might have still been drunk until he was on Hannity.
[00:46:04]  You had time to get confetti.
[00:46:08]  That's what is really going on here.
[00:46:10]  That's the biggest issue.
[00:46:11]  Did you hear any pop?
[00:46:13]  Any of these people could have.
[00:46:15]  Anybody.
[00:46:15]  Rob Dew could have gone on a confetti run.
[00:46:18]  Yeah, totally.
[00:46:18]  Yeah.
[00:46:18]  Takes five seconds.
[00:46:19]  Or any kind of, like, get a brass band to walk through Alex's studio.
[00:46:23]  Oh, that'd be great!
[00:46:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:46:23]  That'd be awesome.
[00:46:24]  Celebrate it!
[00:46:25]  It's a historic moment.
[00:46:26]  Yep.
[00:46:27]  Nope.
[00:46:27]  Instead, we just pretend.
[00:46:28]  And Alex eats a piece of sandwich.
[00:46:30]  Sounds like a dud.
[00:46:31]  Sounds like a dud.
[00:46:32]  Big time.
[00:46:33]  So Alex wants to know about Roger's coming to God.
[00:46:36]  And, you know, I've been sort of...
[00:46:39]  Well, when I thought I was going to go to prison, my lawyer advised me that I might get a more lenient sentence if I pretended I believed in God.
[00:46:45]  I've been a little bit hands-off on this because I don't want to insult Faith as a whole.
[00:46:49]  But I'm going to include this just for how good a demonstration it is of Alex's bad planning.
[00:46:56]  Let's talk about Christ, though, because how did things change when you did that?
[00:47:00]  Overnight.
[00:47:01]  Literally overnight.
[00:47:02]  I had an opportunity to meet Reverend Franklin Graham.
[00:47:05]  I jumped at it.
[00:47:06]  He gave me the most solid advice you could give anybody.
[00:47:09]  He said, you're right, son, you're in big trouble, but if you will just confess your sins, if you will be reborn, if you will get right with Christ, if you will reaffirm your commitment to the Lord, you will see.
[00:47:24]  He will protect you.
[00:47:25]  He will never abandon you.
[00:47:27]  He will be with you in your moment of need.
[00:47:29]  And you can erase all worry, and you no longer need to be afraid.
[00:47:33]  That very day, I did what Reverend Graham suggested.
[00:47:36]  I stood up with 500 others.
[00:47:38]  I confessed my sins, and I pledged to sin no more to the best of my ability.
[00:47:43]  And Alex, that was a Saturday.
[00:47:45]  On Monday morning...
[00:47:45]  Stay there.
[00:47:46]  Let's talk about the Roger Stone story.
[00:47:48]  Gotta go to breaks.
[00:47:48]  Warning.
[00:47:49]  Ooh!
[00:47:51]  Ooh!
[00:47:52]  I feel like you don't ask somebody about something really important and a big story, like how did your life change after you accepted Christ when you're a...
[00:48:03]  Zealotist religious broadcast.
[00:48:05]  You don't ask that when you've got like 45 seconds to break.
[00:48:08]  Yeah, that's not a smart idea.
[00:48:09]  Hard break.
[00:48:10]  Because usually the answer is going to be involved.
[00:48:12]  There's going to be discussion of the process.
[00:48:15]  You know, it's not just like Roger would be like, it's been great!
[00:48:21]  Whenever I did a God camp, nobody played off my testimonial.
[00:48:26]  Nobody was like, alright, wrap it up, buddy!
[00:48:29]  We gotta go to break!
[00:48:30]  That felt really weird.
[00:48:32]  It's just bad planning.
[00:48:33]  You ask that as an opening out of a break as opposed to when you're gonna run out of time because it's disrespectful to the story that Roger's telling.
[00:48:41]  It implies that you don't really care that much yourself.
[00:48:44]  If you would put Roger in a situation where you might have to interrupt his story...
[00:48:48]  Wasn't that important?
[00:48:49]  Yeah, that happened to Jesus all the time.
[00:48:51]  They kept being like, Jesus, I get it.
[00:48:53]  There's a lot of fish now, but we gotta go.
[00:48:56]  Yeah.
[00:48:56]  So in this next clip, we get back to that subject after the commercials are out of the way.
[00:49:00]  And apparently Mike Cernovich is the answer to prayers.
[00:49:04]  Great.
[00:49:04]  Finish up with the day after you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
[00:49:08]  You're already a Christian, but not, you know, backslidden, obviously.
[00:49:12]  And then really cried and really gave your heart to Christ again, recommitted what happened.
[00:49:17]  Well, this was on a Saturday that I was reborn, and that very Monday morning, a day later, all the stories about the corrupt jury hit the fan, none of which I knew.
[00:49:29]  We had none of that information.
[00:49:31]  Frankly, Mike Cernovich, a crusading independent journalist, a solid conservative, broke that story, and it was everywhere.
[00:49:39]  And from that moment on, I was highly confident that everything was going to be fine.
[00:49:45]  God was now going to take his hand and he would provide.
[00:49:49]  Alex has got to be pissed that he said that Cernovich broke that story.
[00:49:53]  Alex has said that he did in the past.
[00:49:56]  This is not where you want to give credit.
[00:49:59]  I am loving that he is no longer kissing Alex's ass.
[00:50:04]  Well, it's pretty subtle, though.
[00:50:06]  It's not like a fuck you.
[00:50:07]  It's a Cernovich broke this.
[00:50:09]  Right, right, right.
[00:50:10]  Now, this next thing...
[00:50:12]  I might be imagining this, but I feel like Alex cannot enjoy hearing this next clip.
[00:50:19]  This is a discussion of what was going on on the day that Roger got the news about the commutation.
[00:50:25]  So last Friday, around 5 o 'clock, many media outlets, ABC was among the first, then Fox News, and then everybody, was saying that the president would commute my sentence.
[00:50:36]  Prior to that, there was a lot of speculation.
[00:50:39]  It could be a commutation.
[00:50:40]  It could be a pardon.
[00:50:41]  It could be nothing.
[00:50:43]  These same reports had popped up the previous Sunday and nothing came of them.
[00:50:47]  And so it became pretty clear that something was going to happen.
[00:50:52]  People started just arriving at my home.
[00:50:54]  I hadn't invited anybody but patriots, folks from the Trump Club, young Republicans, local conservatives, friends from the Republican Party, a lot of info warriors.
[00:51:06]  People just started arriving.
[00:51:08]  And then because I was under house arrest at that time, I could not leave the actual house.
[00:51:14]  We sorted people out.
[00:51:16]  Between those who were wearing masks, they were allowed to come in.
[00:51:19]  Those who didn't have a mask, they could mask in the front yard inside a gate.
[00:51:25]  Somebody sent out for beer, and we had a pop-up party.
[00:51:28]  And then around 7 o 'clock, my cell phone rang, and it was the White House switchboard operator saying, This is the White House switchboard.
[00:51:38]  I have a call from the President of the United States.
[00:51:41]  We'd like to speak to Roger Stone.
[00:51:43]  This is the White House.
[00:51:44]  Is Roger Stone available?
[00:51:45]  This is amazing.
[00:51:46]  He had a pop-up party around the time that he got the commutation and didn't invite Alex.
[00:51:52]  Well, he was in Florida.
[00:51:53]  There was no Infowars reporter.
[00:51:55]  You could have sent somebody out.
[00:51:57]  No, can't get there.
[00:51:58]  You could get some sort of an info warrior with a fucking cell phone to be a reporter on the scene.
[00:52:04]  Nah, there's no way that Alex himself knew about it two days before the news broke, like Stone told him.
[00:52:10]  Well, I mean, look, I imagine Alex would be feeling a lot of FOMO-type feelings, feeling of missing out.
[00:52:18]  Missed out on the party of the century.
[00:52:22]  But he wouldn't have been allowed in.
[00:52:24]  Oh, he would have worn a mask for that.
[00:52:25]  Oh, of course he would.
[00:52:26]  Yes, he would have.
[00:52:27]  To be able to hang out with Roger and Mancow?
[00:52:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:29]  You gotta wear a mask for that kind of exposure.
[00:52:32]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:52:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:34]  So, you brought up in our last episode how conspicuous it was that Roger didn't thank Alex and InfoWars.
[00:52:43]  Yes, it was fairly conspicuous.
[00:52:44]  Now, when he shows up on InfoWars...
[00:52:46]  Uh-huh.
[00:52:47]  Quite the opposite.
[00:52:48]  Oh, is it?
[00:52:49]  It was an amazing moment.
[00:52:51]  It was like having a weight off of your shoulders.
[00:52:54]  And this would never have been possible without the help of so many people.
[00:52:59]  Let's start with Alex Jones, who had never abandoned me, stuck with me through the whole thing.
[00:53:04]  Skeptical in the first that they would really come after me, but once they did, Alex, you were there.
[00:53:09]  Tucker Carlson is the standout.
[00:53:11]  Tucker Carlson was incensed by what they did with me.
[00:53:15]  He has a deep sense of justice, and he was outraged he was so angry.
[00:53:19]  Isn't he just an amazingly classy guy?
[00:53:21]  I mean, I already knew him.
[00:53:23]  He'd been in the office before we'd been to dinner, but I got to know him and have dinner with him a few times with you.
[00:53:27]  He is just super classy.
[00:53:28]  So classy.
[00:53:29]  I mean, this is the strategy that you would employ, and I think Roger's doing it exactly right, which is overplay how important InfoWars is on InfoWars and don't recognize it elsewhere.
[00:53:39]  Don't mention it at all.
[00:53:40]  Right, because if you bring up InfoWars other places, it diminishes the value of whatever you're getting out of that publicity, but at the same time, Alex knows his place.
[00:53:49]  You can't afford to get too mad at you for not thanking him elsewhere.
[00:53:53]  I imagine that every talk show he's been on, I imagine that when Hannity introduced him, he introduced him as somebody who worked for InfoWars for multiple years.
[00:54:02]  I imagine that's what he did.
[00:54:03]  He has to.
[00:54:04]  No, no, no.
[00:54:05]  He has to have done that.
[00:54:06]  That's his biggest credit right now.
[00:54:07]  This guy just got sued by Miles Kwok for $100 million and had to give a retraction for lying about him on InfoWars where he worked for a long time.
[00:54:20]  Ladies and gentlemen, we have Roger Stone's brother's brother here.
[00:54:24]  Yeah.
[00:54:25]  Better credit.
[00:54:26]  Yeah.
[00:54:26]  So he gives off his list of thank yous and Alex butts in.
[00:54:29]  I just thought this was kind of funny.
[00:54:30]  I've got to thank my friend Michael Caputa, who I've been prohibited from speaking to for almost two years.
[00:54:36]  But I know he was in my corner.
[00:54:40]  You never know where to stop.
[00:54:41]  Reverend Daryl Scott.
[00:54:43]  Pastor Mark Burns.
[00:54:44]  What about your wife?
[00:54:45]  Reverend Randy Collins.
[00:54:46]  So many Christians.
[00:54:48]  Franklin Graham.
[00:54:49]  All of these people.
[00:54:49]  General Mike Flynn.
[00:54:50]  In my corner.
[00:54:52]  I just think that's pretty funny.
[00:54:53]  What about your wife?
[00:54:54]  That is funny.
[00:54:55]  That is good.
[00:54:56]  So, this next clip, Roger's talking about how much he loves Infowars.
[00:55:00]  And if you pay attention...
[00:55:01]  He's using the first-person plural.
[00:55:04]  He's talking we.
[00:55:05]  Oh, boy.
[00:55:05]  So he's including himself as a part of Infowars now.
[00:55:09]  Of course.
[00:55:10]  Look, we're up for the fight of our life, and this is an important outpost of the truth.
[00:55:17]  Infowars is really still what it always was, a leader.
[00:55:22]  And we won't be censored.
[00:55:23]  We won't be silenced.
[00:55:25]  We will never stop fighting for freedom and for liberty.
[00:55:28]  So I'm honored to be back with you.
[00:55:30]  It's like being back home again.
[00:55:32]  You can bet that I'll be back again because, you know, I understand they're trying to silence us.
[00:55:38]  They're trying to kill our audience in terms of our reach.
[00:55:42]  But I feel right at home here.
[00:55:44]  And it's just good to be back and be able to tell the truth to the American people.
[00:55:49]  Something that I've not done in the past and actually had to admit that I had lied about a guy after he sued me for $100 million.
[00:55:57]  You know what?
[00:55:57]  They're really trying to get rid of our exposure and to keep our ideas kept within this area.
[00:56:04]  So that's why when I went on Sean Hannity, a show with millions upon millions of viewers, outside of this viewership, I screamed, everybody, We are Infowars!
[00:56:15]  That's what I screamed on that because I wanted to spread the message as far as I could.
[00:56:19]  Seems like he didn't do that.
[00:56:20]  Seems like he went the other way.
[00:56:22]  Probably a smart decision for him.
[00:56:25]  So when he says we, does that mean he's back on the payroll?
[00:56:27]  I wonder.
[00:56:28]  That would be interesting.
[00:56:28]  I wonder.
[00:56:29]  I hope not.
[00:56:29]  I don't think Alex can afford it.
[00:56:30]  That'd be really sad.
[00:56:31]  So Roger's interview is done.
[00:56:33]  It's largely, I have been wronged.
[00:56:37]  I will be avenged.
[00:56:39]  I need money.
[00:56:39]  Of course.
[00:56:40]  There's a lot of I need money.
[00:56:41]  A lot of I need money?
[00:56:42]  Three different fundraising websites.

=== Christmas in July Sale (03:06) ===

[00:56:44]  Oh, no!
[00:56:45]  You pathetic.
[00:56:46]  Yeah, so it is what it is.
[00:56:48]  And he leaves, and Alex gets back to talking about this.
[00:56:53]  It's fucking toothpaste that I can't sell yet.
[00:56:58]  So...
[00:56:59]  He really wants to sell this toothpaste.
[00:57:02]  But he can't.
[00:57:03]  So there's a different sale.
[00:57:05]  Eventually it'll be great!
[00:57:06]  Now, we've got the new toothpaste in for a few weeks.
[00:57:09]  But I've got one more big test that we are supposed to do on it until we're able to sell it.
[00:57:17]  So I thought that this week would be the week that we would be able...
[00:57:21]  To sell all of this and do all of this, but we're not able.
[00:57:25]  So the original sale that I had running is just going to keep running until next week.
[00:57:31]  Storewide free shipping, double Patriot points, but it's even bigger.
[00:57:33]  We had this sale last year.
[00:57:34]  I wasn't going to do it at this time.
[00:57:36]  We're about to sell a lot of things, but we're launching it right now.
[00:57:39]  Christmas in July sale, free shipping and double Patriot points, 50% to 60% off.
[00:57:47]  Whoa.
[00:57:47]  I'm not sure that I've made this point in the past, like when Alex did this sale last year, but there's something hilarious about him in particular doing a Christmas in July sale.
[00:57:57]  For Alex, Christmas isn't supposed to be a commercialized thing.
[00:58:00]  It's not about sales and gift giving.
[00:58:02]  It's a solemn holiday where you celebrate the birth of Jesus.
[00:58:05]  If your only interest in Christmas is the sales aspect, like if you're a mattress store, then it makes sense to have a Christmas in July sale, because the importance of the holiday is about cutting deals.
[00:58:14]  For Alex, this is almost sacrilegious.
[00:58:17]  There can't be a Christmas in July, because Christmas is a holy day that is of religious significance.
[00:58:23]  Yeah, the Easter sale's still going on.
[00:58:24]  There aren't two Christmases in the year, in the same way there aren't two Jesus Christs.
[00:58:30]  This doesn't really seem like a sale that anybody who takes their faith seriously in the way that Alex pretends to could possibly engage in.
[00:58:37]  This is using religion to drive sales, not a sale that just happens to coincide with a religiously based but also secularly celebrated holiday.
[00:58:45]  As someone with absolutely no skin in the game, just an impartial observer, it seems to me that this kind of thing, having a Christmas in July sale, that's more of an...
[00:58:54]  affront to religious observance than someone saying happy holidays in December, which Alex considers a war on Christmas.
[00:59:01]  not a war on Christmas to water the holiday down by creating your own second Christmas that isn't even halfway through the year?
[00:59:08]  Wow.
[00:59:11]  I don't know.
[00:59:12]  Oh, boy.
[00:59:12]  Yeah, I find that to be sacrilegious.
[00:59:14]  Yeah, well, you know, I'm pretty sure...
[00:59:18]  Now, we didn't play the whole thing, obviously, but the part that Roger, you know, when he was cut off, he continued talking.
[00:59:24]  What he said was, the day after I, you know, recommitted myself to Christ, I really knew that it was time to make some cash.
[00:59:34]  Oh.
[00:59:34]  And so, the Lord spoke to me, and he said, we've gotta do Christmas in July!

=== 100% Positive Mystery (15:35) ===

[00:59:41]  Second Christmas.
[00:59:42]  Absolutely.
[00:59:43]  So Alex has a big bit of COVID news to discuss.
[00:59:47]  Still not real?
[00:59:48]  Apparently not.
[00:59:49]  And he has a big smoking gun.
[00:59:50]  Okay.
[00:59:50]  The big smoking gun for me is on Infowars.com.
[00:59:55]  COVID testing scandal.
[00:59:56]  Numerous labs, 333, report 100% of people testing positive for coronavirus in Florida.
[01:00:05]  That is impossible.
[01:00:06]  So this story is actually true, but it doesn't mean anything.
[01:00:09]  Okay.
[01:00:09]  According to NBC Miami, there are actually 474 labs in Florida that had reported 100% positive test results, but it's important to understand the details of this story.
[01:00:19]  These labs were testing people who came up negative, but for whatever reason, they weren't entering those negative test results into their database.
[01:00:27]  This might seem like it would affect the overall positive rate in the state, but NBC Miami's analysis found that these 474 labs made up approximately 1% of the state's testing numbers.
[01:00:38]  And if their negative results were in line with the other 99% of labs in the state, it would, quote, result in the state's 11% overall positivity rate falling to 10.9%, an insignificant difference.
[01:00:50]  Oh no, that's huge.
[01:00:51]  The Florida Department of Health told Fox 13 out of Florida that, quote, in recent days the Florida Department of Health noticed that some smaller private labs weren't reporting negative test results data to the state.
[01:01:02]  The department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data.
[01:01:10]  As the state continues to receive results from various labs, the department will continue educating these labs on proper protocol for reporting COVID-19 test results.
[01:01:18]  One of the issues here appears to be bad messaging from the state of what is expected in a pandemic.
[01:01:24]  Of Florida?
[01:01:25]  These were smaller private labs who might have been unaware of what they needed to do.
[01:01:30]  You see, when there's no pandemic going on, a lab is required by law to report positive cases for specified infectious diseases that are being tracked.
[01:01:38]  But, as it turns out, when there is a pandemic, they're also required to report negative test results.
[01:01:44]  In all likelihood, the message just wasn't being spread universally that they needed to do this.
[01:01:49]  And even Florida Governor Ron DeSantis realizes this, saying, quote, There were a number of labs who were just simply doing what the default is, which is sending the positives only without sending the negatives.
[01:02:01]  So I don't think they were trying to be underhanded, those labs.
[01:02:04]  I think that's kind of what they were doing before this started.
[01:02:07]  This isn't a conspiracy.
[01:02:08]  It's another symptom of widespread mismanagement of the response to an outbreak.
[01:02:12]  People aren't on the same page, and that leads to some folks operating out of step with how they should, often completely unknowingly.
[01:02:19]  Ultimately, it's important for these negative tests to get reported as well, because it's crucial to have the most accurate information possible.
[01:02:25]  But people who've looked at the raw data are pretty clear that this error doesn't have a significant impact on the larger point that things are pretty out of control in Florida.
[01:02:35]  So, smoking gun!
[01:02:38]  That's a great smoking gun.
[01:02:39]  Smoking gun!
[01:02:40]  You did it.
[01:02:41]  Great.
[01:02:41]  You proved it.
[01:02:42]  Yep.
[01:02:42]  So Alex gets Jim Hoff's brother in.
[01:02:45]  Right.
[01:02:45]  I forgot about that.
[01:02:46]  I'm going to pretend it's Jimmy Hoffa's brother.
[01:02:48]  I think that might be what kind of broke me in terms of caring about the fourth hour.
[01:02:52]  It's like, you're going to do this disappointing interview with Roger and pretend that he would have given you the exclusive if only he had this piece of paper.
[01:02:59]  And then you're going to follow it up with this lame dud of a COVID-19 bombshell.
[01:03:05]  And then you're going to bring in Jim Hoffa's brother.
[01:03:08]  It might have just been like, I'm out.
[01:03:10]  I'm out, buddy.
[01:03:12]  But I thought this was really funny.
[01:03:13]  I asked Bobby Dillon.
[01:03:16]  I asked the Beatles.
[01:03:18]  I asked Timothy Leary.
[01:03:21]  But he couldn't help me either.
[01:03:24]  I had to ask Joe Haft.
[01:03:26]  I love it.
[01:03:32]  I'm just shaking my head.
[01:03:35]  That's so sad.
[01:03:37]  That's the saddest thing you can do to a song.
[01:03:39]  Yeah, it is pretty sad.
[01:03:41]  Any song that eventually ends with I had to ask Joe Hoff, that's a sad song.
[01:03:46]  I had to ask Joe Hoff.
[01:03:48]  That's a sad song.
[01:03:50]  I've been searching low and high.
[01:03:53]  It does not matter what's the happiest.
[01:03:56]  Happy birthday to you!
[01:03:57]  I had to ask Jim Hoft.
[01:03:59]  Joe Hoft.
[01:04:00]  I had to ask Jim Hoft, brother.
[01:04:03]  Yeah, so he's on to largely do a lot of COVID denialism and stuff.
[01:04:09]  And I think it centers around this story out of Florida.
[01:04:13]  And Alex goes even further than just sort of using this story as a prop.
[01:04:18]  He outright lies about it.
[01:04:20]  The tests are everywhere and...
[01:04:22]  The numbers are skyrocketing, and then you learn almost all the tests are false, and 333 labs, as I said earlier, in Florida all reported publicly 100% rates, some of them testing thousands, the average about 500, so they're testing tens of thousands of people, and they're all positive.
[01:04:39]  That is ridiculous.
[01:04:41]  What's really going on here?
[01:04:44]  Well, that's a great question, Alex.
[01:04:46]  Alex is just completely making up the number of average tests at these labs in Florida.
[01:04:51]  There's no source he could be citing to back that up, other than maybe something he saw, like on Twitter or something, but Fox 35 out of Orlando posted the actual documents of the lab-specific numbers, and if you go through the list, you'll see that the highest number of tests run at any of these labs that are reporting 100% positive cases is 405 at the Lee Memorial Hospital and Pancare of Florida.
[01:05:13]  That's nothing compared to the 540,816 tests that were done by Quest Diagnostics or the 455,636 done by LabCorp.
[01:05:24]  Many of the labs with the 100% positive results are under 100 tests reported.
[01:05:28]  It's all good and well to assume that if they haven't reported their negative results, then it stands to reason that the actual number of tests that they did do should be higher.
[01:05:39]  Right.
[01:05:39]  That's fair.
[01:05:40]  That would make sense.
[01:05:41]  It's fair to assume that the gross number is actually higher.
[01:05:44]  It's the only thing you could assume.
[01:05:45]  What's not fair is just to make up whatever number you think that number might be and then report it as fact, which is what Alex is doing.
[01:05:52]  Yeah.
[01:05:53]  Alex is lying and fabricating numbers to create a false narrative about this lab story, and the fact that Jim Hoff's brother doesn't immediately call him on it and clarify it means that he's a pile of shit just like his brother and not somebody who needs to be taken seriously.
[01:06:06]  Like, the fact that your response isn't...
[01:06:08]  What?
[01:06:09]  Yeah.
[01:06:09]  That means that you're invested in playing along with the fake version of shit that Alex is putting out.
[01:06:13]  Yeah, you know what else?
[01:06:14]  The fact that you don't have a name means go fuck yourself.
[01:06:17]  Yeah, I don't respect him enough to even know if Joe was the right name.
[01:06:21]  Nope, don't care.
[01:06:22]  So, the reason that he's doing this is that Jim Hoff's brother is apparently pretty anti-vaccine, and it becomes clear here.
[01:06:31]  I think one of the best individuals to discuss...
[01:06:34]  Fauci and just the vaccines in general, if not you, Alex, is the Bobby Kennedy Jr.
[01:06:42]  I heard a video of him.
[01:06:44]  Well, he exposes fraud, Steve, with the Gates.
[01:06:47]  People that they've had in the test, or even spokespersons, are getting real sick.
[01:06:50]  Healthy people are getting real sick in the vaccine trials.
[01:06:52]  We covered that story a while back when it was relevant.
[01:06:54]  It's no longer relevant.
[01:06:56]  But, yeah, I mean, if he's promoting Robert Kennedy Jr., then you kind of know what he's about.
[01:07:01]  So, one of the main things that is very difficult to get around if you are a COVID denialist is the phenomenon of excess deaths.
[01:07:11]  Right.
[01:07:11]  It turns out, it's not that hard to get around.
[01:07:14]  You can just kind of pretend that that number doesn't exist.
[01:07:17]  The thing that I wanted to point out last segment that I didn't, I'm sorry, was the fact that the one measurement that we can take that can really kind of tell us how bad this COVID is, is to look at total deaths.
[01:07:28]  This year compared to prior years.
[01:07:30]  And we've done that now.
[01:07:32]  And when you look at them, this year's deaths, especially related to the flu, et cetera, barely much greater than prior years.
[01:07:41]  Now, slow down and say that again.
[01:07:42]  We should have started the whole interview with this.
[01:07:43]  In fact, when we post this to Bandai video later, I want to put what you're about to say at the very front of the interview because we can put up the graph showing record testing, but deaths have gone way down from what they claimed.
[01:07:54]  But let's look at last year's numbers.
[01:07:56]  Compared to the flat line of death or the range of death compared to now?
[01:08:01]  And tell people the name of the article on Gateway Punish so folks can find it.
[01:08:04]  We're going to be putting it up here shortly.
[01:08:06]  How about that?
[01:08:07]  But we have a PhD who's provided us this information.
[01:08:12]  It's a good analysis.
[01:08:14]  And again, data is where we need to be.
[01:08:15]  We don't need to be listening to doctors right now.
[01:08:18]  We need to be listening to the data analysts.
[01:08:21]  Let's start over.
[01:08:21]  Tell people what you're about to break because we're in the zeitgeist.
[01:08:24]  We've hired a...
[01:08:25]  He's scared to put his name up, but we've hired a highly rated statistician to crunch the numbers.
[01:08:31]  Who's rating statisticians?
[01:08:33]  Actuaries.
[01:08:33]  You've already been saying where they take the death numbers of everybody else, put them in the column, but we're going to have, you're doing the same thing, I guess, having a PhD statistician show it.
[01:08:41]  So tell us what's coming.
[01:08:42]  Yeah.
[01:08:43]  So what he's done is he's looked at the last five years of mortality rates throughout the U.S., and he compares them to this year, and we're seeing that there's no material increase.
[01:08:52]  On July 1st, the Journal of the American Medical Association released an investigation in their imprint called Internal Medicine, which looked at the excess deaths of the mortality in the U.S. between March and May 2020.
[01:09:05]  They found that all-cause deaths rose by approximately 122,000 in the United States over that time period, compared to the same period in previous years.
[01:09:14]  At that point, there were only 95,235 official deaths from COVID-19 in the United States, which meant that the excess mortality in the country represented a number that was 28% higher than the official figures that had been linked to COVID-19.
[01:09:27]  this is going to be difficult for alex and his newly hired imaginary statistician to work around but i wish them the best of luck and by that i mean the worst of luck no matter how you slice it the numbers of all-cause mortality in this country are approximately 15 higher during the period of the pandemic uh that was studied so unless alex has a compelling argument for why that is the case this line of thinking is going to go nowhere hmm it's just uh it's We should not be listening to medical doctors, Dan.
[01:09:56]  We should be listening to doctors of philosophy!
[01:09:58]  We should be listening to brothers of doctors.
[01:10:00]  Yes, exactly!
[01:10:01]  That's the trick!
[01:10:02]  Jesus, what a pathetic...
[01:10:04]  The world exists now in a place of like, oh, you got experts?
[01:10:10]  I got experts.
[01:10:11]  It doesn't matter what my experts say.
[01:10:13]  I just say they're experts.
[01:10:15]  That's it.
[01:10:16]  You give them a fake-sounding good credential.
[01:10:19]  Or a good-sounding fake credential.
[01:10:22]  And then you just, hey, okay, sure, he's a lobbyist for the coal consortium, but he's an expert in coal.
[01:10:32]  Right.
[01:10:32]  That's equal to this, what do you call them?
[01:10:35]  Climate?
[01:10:35]  Climate what?
[01:10:36]  Scientists?
[01:10:36]  I don't even understand what that is.
[01:10:38]  Get out of here.
[01:10:39]  Yeah, it's a mess.
[01:10:39]  I have an expert, too.
[01:10:40]  It's a mess.
[01:10:41]  Fuck off.
[01:10:41]  Yeah.
[01:10:42]  So Alex has one attempt that he's going to use to try and explain away this increase, and I think it's bad.
[01:10:50]  I think it's not going to work.
[01:10:52]  Why is New York, a few areas of Michigan, because they're blue cities and states where they intubated people, they admit that's what killed them, and where they sent regular flu and regular pneumonia patients into nursing homes knowing they would get a death number.
[01:11:07]  And the only way you do that in 10 different Democrat states that did it, where you have most of the death, is it was premeditated.
[01:11:13]  Please talk about that.
[01:11:14]  That's right.
[01:11:15]  And we did a study, too.
[01:11:17]  We compared Democratic grand states to Republican on at least a two to one ratio.
[01:11:22]  You're more likely to die in a Democrat state from the COVID than in a Republican state.
[01:11:26]  This isn't going to work as an argument.
[01:11:29]  There's currently over 100,000 deaths that haven't been in New York and Michigan, so I guess that angle probably falls apart.
[01:11:35]  Also, Jim Hoff's brother is revealing his idiocy here.
[01:11:38]  If it is true that there's a double chance of dying of COVID-19 in blue states as opposed to red states, maybe you should look for what a factor might be involved there.
[01:11:47]  Maybe population density is different in these states.
[01:11:50]  Maybe blue states include more metropolitan urban centers than red states, which would have different patterns of transmission.
[01:11:56]  I mean this sincerely.
[01:11:58]  All you need to do is hear someone like Jim Hoff's brother saying stuff like that.
[01:12:02]  Then you're free to tune him out entirely.
[01:12:04]  If he's willing to make that kind of blind leap in order to justify his narratives, then he's not living in reality, and whatever all this stuff is is just bullshit.
[01:12:12]  And he's Jim Hoff's brother.
[01:12:14]  He's not a person.
[01:12:15]  Well, he's a person.
[01:12:16]  I mean, he's a person without a name.
[01:12:19]  He's an intellectual cardboard cutout that Alex is talking to, and who cares?
[01:12:23]  Yeah, I just can't.
[01:12:25]  The only thing I wrote down during that is just like...
[01:12:27]  How long can you keep doing this?
[01:12:29]  Apparently quite a while for that.
[01:12:31]  This is nuts.
[01:12:32]  How many deaths before you have to say, I can't keep doing this?
[01:12:38]  You know?
[01:12:39]  Like, where does this end?
[01:12:41]  Does this end after we get a...
[01:12:42]  I mean, it doesn't even end...
[01:12:43]  If it doesn't end before we get a vaccine, it's definitely not going to end after we get a vaccine.
[01:12:48]  I don't know, man.
[01:12:49]  I mean, this is insane.
[01:12:50]  How can they keep this going this long?
[01:12:52]  I don't know.
[01:12:53]  I'm sorry.
[01:12:54]  I'm screaming at you.
[01:12:55]  I apologize.
[01:12:56]  I apologize.
[01:12:56]  You're asking me, but it's like, I can't research that.
[01:12:59]  I don't know.
[01:13:02]  Intuitively, I would have told you way before now.
[01:13:05]  Of course.
[01:13:05]  That's what my gut would have told me.
[01:13:08]  Yeah, once shit gets pretty real, even these fraud assholes are going to have to try and get right with something.
[01:13:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:13:14]  But those instincts that I have or those thoughts are clearly not correct.
[01:13:20]  Yeah, the heavier the sand is.
[01:13:21]  Those underlying assumptions.
[01:13:23]  The heavier the sand is, the harder they seem to dig their heads into it.
[01:13:26]  So we have one last clip here, and it's about where I checked out.
[01:13:29]  And it's because Alex is continuing to race bait surrounding this story from Indianapolis, the woman who was shot.
[01:13:38]  And it was just kind of like, alright, I just listened to you talk to Jim Hoff's brother.
[01:13:43]  I'm not going to put up with this from you.
[01:13:46]  So this was sort of the like, alright, I've listened to three hours of your show today.
[01:13:50]  Go fuck yourself.
[01:13:51]  Look at these headlines right here.
[01:13:53]  BLM supporters celebrate death of mother shot dead for saying all lives matter when confronted by black racist thugs.
[01:14:03]  She said yes, they matter, but white lives matter too, so they shot her dead.
[01:14:08]  Facebook, Twitter, the left is celebrating it, saying, thank God one less dead white or one more dead white person.
[01:14:15]  Totally and absolutely sickening.
[01:14:18]  So let me just go ahead and start over with this article for you.
[01:14:21]  Let's just focus in on a real person that got killed right here.
[01:14:25]  You can have an overhead shot.
[01:14:28]  We're just going to sit here for a moment and look at somebody that died and think about them for just a second.
[01:14:35]  Because the globalists don't want us to humanize any of these people.
[01:14:39]  Yeah, it's a mess.
[01:14:41]  I mean, he's just basically rewritten this entire story and is now using it to push his very racist agenda.
[01:14:50]  I went and I looked at the article that he was talking about.
[01:14:54]  Everyone's celebrating this.

=== Roger's Insulting Turn (04:16) ===

[01:14:55]  They just cherry-picked a couple of comments from shitheads online.
[01:15:00]  They're saying that that represents...
[01:15:01]  It's the same stupid game that he is like, all the Democrats and the left, they all want to crash the economy to hurt Trump.
[01:15:08]  And his evidence is a fucking clip from Bill Maher.
[01:15:10]  It's the same game.
[01:15:12]  It's like, okay, yeah, I bet...
[01:15:13]  I bet if I had the kind of patience or any belief that it meant anything, I could go through all the comments on Infowars and I could find people using the N-word.
[01:15:23]  I could find any horrifying thing that you want me to find on the comments on Infowars or people who are Infowars fans tweeting out horrible shit.
[01:15:32]  But I don't think that means anything.
[01:15:34]  I think that would be committing a composition fallacy to say that this one shithead commenting online in a particular way is somehow indicative of what InfoWars is.
[01:15:43]  Alex does that all the fucking time and that's all he's doing here because it helps him bolster this white victimhood narrative of if you dare say that there's any nuance to Black Lives Matter then you'll get shot in the head.
[01:15:57]  It's just bullshit.
[01:15:59]  It's patently race-baiting, and I find it abhorrent and disgusting.
[01:16:03]  Now, if that wasn't where you turned the show off, that's definitely where I would have turned the show off.
[01:16:07]  I think you probably got there earlier.
[01:16:08]  Jim Hoff's brother, click.
[01:16:10]  Yeah, bye!
[01:16:11]  I always have hope that maybe there'll be something interesting that comes of it, but at a certain point you cut bait, and that's about where I...
[01:16:21]  Because it's also really repetitive.
[01:16:23]  This episode was really repetitive in a lot of ways.
[01:16:29]  This Indianapolis story is repeating it.
[01:16:33]  It comes up a couple times.
[01:16:35]  There's the COVID story about the Florida labs.
[01:16:39]  It's just over and over.
[01:16:40]  It's very boring.
[01:16:42]  And just the constant repetition of the same coronavirus narratives.
[01:16:49]  Destroy everybody kind of shit.
[01:16:52]  I just think we have to come full circle with Roger finally showing up and him kind of insulting Alex by discussing how Cernovich broke that story and how he had a house party that Alex wasn't invited to or aware of.
[01:17:07]  The man cow was at.
[01:17:10]  Alex insulting him by eating during the interview.
[01:17:13]  Right, of course.
[01:17:13]  And cutting him off with a commercial right in the middle talking about coming to God.
[01:17:16]  There's some real tension here.
[01:17:18]  There's some passive aggression.
[01:17:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:17:20]  And I'm glad that this doesn't have to stretch out over weeks.
[01:17:23]  We can just have the sort of...
[01:17:25]  This week on the show, we have the...
[01:17:29]  The conclusion, the stunning conclusion to our saga.
[01:17:32]  Of the will-they-won't-they.
[01:17:34]  Turns out they do, and it's disappointing, and Alex continues to be a racist piece of shit.
[01:17:38]  Yeah, if Who Shot JR lasted a couple of days, that would be way better.
[01:17:42]  That would have been preferable.
[01:17:43]  So, I mean, I think we get through this little time period, and we can see that Roger definitely wants what he can get out of Alex, but doesn't care about him all that much, based on, I mean, you know, like, it's kind of what Alex says all the time.
[01:17:57]  You judge a tree by its fruit.
[01:17:58]  And I think these fruits clearly indicate that Roger would rather be elsewhere if there is a higher degree of thing he can get out of it.
[01:18:07]  It's almost like...
[01:18:09]  Thank you, Alex.
[01:18:10]  You son of a bitch.
[01:18:12]  I think Alex is in agreement that I've made some great points about how Roger doesn't care about him.
[01:18:18]  I got nothing.
[01:18:19]  Alex, Roger doesn't care about you anymore.
[01:18:21]  Thank you.
[01:18:24]  Grow up and find some other dick to guide the ship.
[01:18:29]  Don't make best friends with psychopaths.
[01:18:31]  That's usually a good...
[01:18:32]  Roger Stone's entire career is evidence of don't make friends with Roger Stone.
[01:18:37]  Yeah.
[01:18:38]  Insane.
[01:18:38]  I don't know.
[01:18:39]  Anyway, we'll be back.
[01:18:42]  We'll see you Wednesday.
[01:18:43]  Yes.
[01:18:43]  But I'll be back on Monday with something or other.
[01:18:46]  Something.
[01:18:46]  But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
[01:18:48]  We do have a website.
[01:18:49]  It's knowledgefight.com, and my book is at thequietpartloud.com.
[01:18:52]  Yeah, we're also on Twitter.
[01:18:53]  We are on Twitter.
[01:18:54]  It's at knowledge underscore fight, and at gotobedjordan.
[01:18:57]  We're also on Facebook.
[01:18:57]  We are on Facebook.
[01:18:58]  We are on the show.
[01:18:59]  iTunes, regular review.
[01:19:00]  And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area and help people out if you can.
[01:19:04]  Yep.
[01:19:05]  We'll be back.
[01:19:05]  Until then, I'm Neo.
[01:19:06]  I'm Leo.
[01:19:07]  I'm DZXClark.
[01:19:08]  I am not Jim Hoff's brother.
[01:19:10]  Andy.
[01:19:11]  You're on the air.