Knowledge Fight - #436: May 22, 2020
Aired: 2020-05-25
Duration: 01:27:55


=== Knowledge Fight Segment (15:09) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:34]  I need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:42]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:47]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding me.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a first time caller.
[00:00:50]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:51]  I love your world.
[00:00:52]  Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:53]  KnowledgeFight.com.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:00]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:01]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Quick question.
[00:01:09]  What's up?
[00:01:09]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:10]  Why don't you take the lead on this one?
[00:01:12]  I have simultaneous bright and incredibly dark spots.
[00:01:16]  Oh no.
[00:01:17]  That's not the segment.
[00:01:20]  We had...
[00:01:21]  Our couch has been savaged by all kinds of small dogs excrement.
[00:01:26]  So we finally just...
[00:01:28]  We gotta get a new couch.
[00:01:29]  We gotta destroy it.
[00:01:30]  Sure, I agree with that.
[00:01:31]  It's been a long time since I've been over to your place, but I still agree with that.
[00:01:34]  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:01:35]  I can't imagine what's happened since then.
[00:01:38]  So, we got a new couch, and they delivered it.
[00:01:40]  It was supposed to come at 10, and instead it came at 8.30, and neither...
[00:01:46]  She nor I are morning people.
[00:01:50]  Especially when there's no job on the horizon to get up for.
[00:01:55]  And I am a severe caffeine addict and I had not had any coffee whatsoever yet.
[00:02:00]  So it was an insanely heavy couch and we got into one of those fights of just like that.
[00:02:05]  Is this the super dark part?
[00:02:07]  Yeah.
[00:02:07]  Just one of those fights where it's like, no, it goes in this way.
[00:02:11]  That's the only way.
[00:02:12]  And then that spirals out of control because we're both exhausted.
[00:02:15]  Couch looks great.
[00:02:16]  That's good.
[00:02:17]  Also, it didn't come with two of the cushions.
[00:02:19]  So it's not that...
[00:02:20]  So high, low, high, low.
[00:02:22]  Always.
[00:02:22]  Yeah, this is a zigzag.
[00:02:23]  This is a wave pattern.
[00:02:24]  Non-stop, yeah.
[00:02:25]  Oof.
[00:02:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:27]  It was a rough morning, but everything's worked out well.
[00:02:28]  Oh, good morning.
[00:02:29]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:02:30]  I say in the afternoon.
[00:02:32]  I guess my bright spot...
[00:02:34]  This seems like a cheap thing to do, and maybe it's not fair, but my bright spot in the last couple days has definitely been preparing for an episode that we're not doing today.
[00:02:45]  Of course.
[00:02:46]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:46]  Of course.
[00:02:47]  I meant to do a Bill Cooper episode for today, but something happened that made me need to talk about Alex Jones.
[00:02:55]  Okay.
[00:02:55]  And so we're sticking on Alex Jones, but I was preparing for a Bill Cooper episode, and something happened in that episode that I was marching around the apartment, doing, like, fingers up in the air kind of celebratory.
[00:03:11]  I heard something in an episode that I never would have expected.
[00:03:14]  I probably should have guessed.
[00:03:16]  I hate to be teasing like this, but I think we'll do it for Wednesday.
[00:03:20]  And you'll understand as soon as that happens.
[00:03:22]  Bill Cooper actually is Bill Hicks.
[00:03:24]  No.
[00:03:24]  That's the...
[00:03:25]  That is not the case.
[00:03:26]  Neither is Alex.
[00:03:27]  So, Jordan, shitty bright spot on my part and up and down bright spot on your part.
[00:03:33]  Hey, you know what?
[00:03:33]  You live, you learn.
[00:03:34]  It's true.
[00:03:35]  So, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
[00:03:37]  Like I said, we're still talking about Alex Jones.
[00:03:39]  We're going to be talking about the May 22nd, 2020 episode.
[00:03:42]  I'm Dan.
[00:03:42]  This is 2020.
[00:03:43]  God damn it.
[00:03:44]  And we're going to talk about some other things in addition to that that are why I ended up staying with Alex for today.
[00:03:51]  Breaking news.
[00:03:52]  Some new developments.
[00:03:52]  Somewhat, yes.
[00:03:53]  Or a follow-up from our Friday episode, for sure.
[00:03:57]  And we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:04:02]  So first, Andrew L. Thank you so much.
[00:04:04]  You are now a policy wonk.
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[00:04:08]  Thank you so much.
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[00:04:11]  Thanks, Mike.
[00:04:12]  I'm going to try and use the last initials when possible, but Mike was just Mike.
[00:04:16]  Mike's just Mike.
[00:04:16]  No last name.
[00:04:18]  Okay, all right.
[00:04:19]  So that's a serious Mike.
[00:04:20]  Oh, it definitely is.
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[00:04:32]  Conspiracy of Chris.
[00:04:34]  Conspiracy.
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[00:04:36]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:37]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:38]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:39]  Thank you very much, Talbaron.
[00:04:40]  No last name on that one.
[00:04:41]  I like it.
[00:04:42]  I like a good Talbaron.
[00:04:43]  Next, Derek E. Thank you so much.
[00:04:45]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:46]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:47]  Thank you, Derek.
[00:04:48]  Thank you.
[00:04:48]  And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
[00:04:51]  We appreciate that very much.
[00:04:52]  So, Kristen P., thank you so much.
[00:04:55]  You are now a technocrat.
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[00:04:58]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:04:59]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:01]  Crikey, mate.
[00:05:01]  That's fantastic.
[00:05:02]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:05:04]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:05:05]  Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
[00:05:08]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:05:09]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:05:11]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:05:13]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:05:15]  I declare Infowar on you.
[00:05:17]  Thank you so much, Kristen, and thank you so much, Jason.
[00:05:20]  Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
[00:05:21]  If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
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[00:05:36]  I'm trying to find different ways to say it, Jordan.
[00:05:38]  Shake it up.
[00:05:38]  I like it.
[00:05:39]  No, no, no.
[00:05:39]  I like it.
[00:05:40]  I admit that that one was not as good as it could have been.
[00:05:43]  It got a little out of your hands.
[00:05:44]  But we would appreciate that as well.
[00:05:47]  So, Jordan, now it's time before we get into our episode.
[00:05:50]  To get into the segment that is taking over my life.
[00:05:54]  And that is, of course, the year of the Seltzer.
[00:05:57]  Oh, man.
[00:05:58]  We're in real trouble here.
[00:06:00]  We're in real trouble.
[00:06:01]  You're getting more drops.
[00:06:03]  I forgot.
[00:06:04]  Damn it.
[00:06:05]  I forgot the name of the person who sent that to me.
[00:06:06]  But thank you.
[00:06:07]  You know who you are out there who sent me that drop.
[00:06:09]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:10]  Seltzer!
[00:06:11]  So, Jordan, today, here's my update that I have.
[00:06:15]  All right.
[00:06:16]  I wanted to get weird with it.
[00:06:17]  So, I was at the store not too long ago, and I saw Signature Selects.
[00:06:21]  I think it's the Juul brand.
[00:06:23]  Okay.
[00:06:23]  And they have a bunch of flavors.
[00:06:25]  And so, eventually, we'll be able to knock out a number of them.
[00:06:28]  But they had two that were sort of weird.
[00:06:30]  There was orange cream and strawberry cream.
[00:06:33]  So, they were like an orange sickle and a strawberry sickle.
[00:06:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:36]  Trash.
[00:06:37]  Of course they are.
[00:06:38]  Not good.
[00:06:39]  Orange sickles are trash.
[00:06:40]  You know what I was thinking, though, as I was drinking it?
[00:06:42]  I was like, hmm.
[00:06:43]  What have I done with my life?
[00:06:46]  That too, yes, for sure.
[00:06:48]  That thought crossed my mind.
[00:06:50]  As it does all the time.
[00:06:51]  Yeah, fair, fair.
[00:06:52]  Except for when I'm dancing around because Bill Cooper said something weird.
[00:06:55]  No, I was thinking that like the Limoncello Lacroix that is so highly rated.
[00:07:00]  You love so desperately.
[00:07:00]  But one of the pieces of that that was so good is that there was a sort of vanilla tinge to it.
[00:07:05]  And all this is is an orange thing with a vanilla tinge or a strawberry with a vanilla.
[00:07:12]  Flare.
[00:07:13]  Just doesn't work.
[00:07:15]  There's something wrong with the way the flavors are balanced.
[00:07:17]  Limoncello is just a much better balanced vanilla.
[00:07:20]  This one is offensive.
[00:07:22]  Sometimes it's the execution, not the ingredients.
[00:07:25]  It's the way you mix them and all that stuff.
[00:07:27]  I'm sure that an orange with a nice vanilla could be a treat.
[00:07:30]  There's a possibility, I'm sure.
[00:07:32]  Anyway, I'm being far too cruel about this on the podcast.
[00:07:34]  I was disappointed, but they both got 51s.
[00:07:37]  They're not terrible, but I wanted more out of that.
[00:07:39]  Anyway, this has been the Year of the Seltzer.
[00:07:42]  So, Jordan, like I said, we got the 20 second to get into, and I'll be honest with you right up top.
[00:07:48]  We have some fun things to talk about, but that show sucked.
[00:07:51]  Of course.
[00:07:51]  It's a lot of rambling.
[00:07:53]  It's a lot of talking about the devil and what have you.
[00:07:55]  Sure!
[00:07:57]  It's mostly pointless.
[00:07:58]  The devil is everywhere except where God is.
[00:08:00]  Right.
[00:08:00]  That's just science.
[00:08:01]  So, we have this follow-up.
[00:08:03]  And so I'm going to play for you a clip that we played on our last episode, Friday's episode.
[00:08:09]  This is from May 22nd, which is May 21st, Thursday.
[00:08:13]  And it's Alex talking about Joe Rogan and his plans to go after the left.
[00:08:19]  And Joe told me about his plans, and I told him, I said, this is hardcore, man.
[00:08:23]  You really want me to tell people this?
[00:08:25]  He said, yeah, no, I want you to go on air and tell everybody this.
[00:08:29]  And so...
[00:08:33]  Joe's always tried to stay politically neutral, and he tried to get along with the left, and they have acted like total monsters, and he's done with them.
[00:08:42]  He doesn't care what they do.
[00:08:43]  He's coming after them.
[00:08:45]  So that's what's exciting.
[00:08:47]  So this episode came out, and then over the weekend, Rogan released an episode, his next episode after Alex did this.
[00:08:56]  Sure.
[00:08:56]  And it was...
[00:08:57]  The very next episode.
[00:08:58]  The guest was David Pakman.
[00:09:00]  Noted left-wing YouTube talk show host.
[00:09:04]  Sure.
[00:09:04]  Who's, I believe, a social democrat.
[00:09:06]  Right, and he took him down.
[00:09:08]  He just said, I'm done with you forever.
[00:09:09]  They did a three-hour episode that was very cordial and very nice between the two of them.
[00:09:15]  And it also included Joe saying this.
[00:09:18]  And this is an important point because Alex Jones made some crazy video after our conversation that I had with him yesterday.
[00:09:25]  Where he was saying that I'm going to war against censorship and a war against YouTube.
[00:09:29]  I'm not doing any of those things.
[00:09:31]  I made this deal with Spotify.
[00:09:34]  I made the deal with Spotify because it's a great company and it's a great deal.
[00:09:39]  And I'm excited to be in a partnership with a company as opposed to a company that I just put my stuff up on their platform, whether it's Apple or YouTube.
[00:09:47]  I don't like that YouTube censors things.
[00:09:50]  I don't like that they do that with those doctors in Bakersfield.
[00:09:54]  But I'm not at war with them.
[00:09:55]  I'm not at war with anybody.
[00:09:56]  I don't envy them, their position.
[00:10:00]  So he then gets into talking about how the position that YouTube and all of these companies find themselves in is something he doesn't want to have to make those sorts of choices that they are in the position of making.
[00:10:10]  That's a reasonable thought.
[00:10:12]  So the name of that clip is Alex Lied About Joe Rogan.
[00:10:16]  100%.
[00:10:17]  Alex just made that shit up.
[00:10:19]  100%.
[00:10:19]  He took whatever the conversation was that the two of them had, and maybe it was Joe saying something like...
[00:10:24]  You know, I don't think that it's great that YouTube is taking some of these things down.
[00:10:29]  And Alex is like, he's on the warpath.
[00:10:31]  That's a really shitty friend.
[00:10:33]  That's really bad.
[00:10:34]  Alex is a terrible, terrible person.
[00:10:36]  So, I was listening to this episode with David Pacman and Rogan, and I thought, like, well, I could do a whole episode on how stupid fucking Rogan is.
[00:10:44]  Like, he just believes some really stupid shit, but to his credit, I guess, because I can watch these things critically, he does say, like, No one should listen to me.
[00:10:55]  Yeah.
[00:10:56]  I don't know what I'm talking about.
[00:10:57]  Yeah, that's fair.
[00:10:58]  That's fair.
[00:10:59]  Yeah, it's the same way with like, I don't want to do shows about Michael Savage because he's like, I am a racist.
[00:11:05]  Yeah.
[00:11:07]  Well, all right.
[00:11:08]  Cool.
[00:11:09]  You know it.
[00:11:11]  You've said it.
[00:11:11]  People can choose to not like you for it or like you for it.
[00:11:16]  Yeah, it's a little bit out there.
[00:11:17]  Joe is like, I'm fourth banana on news radio.
[00:11:21]  Guys, don't listen to my political views.
[00:11:23]  Yeah, and I think some people do still take him seriously, but in terms of really critically deconstructing...
[00:11:30]  Like, some of these things that he says that are stupid, it's like, well, you know, the rebuttal to that would be like, Joe says not to take him seriously.
[00:11:36]  Well, I don't have a response to that.
[00:11:38]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:11:39]  But there were a couple things that I think are really worth pointing out.
[00:11:42]  And so here's the first one, where Joe wonders about Bill Gates.
[00:11:47]  It's crazy when you go back and listen to Bill Gates' TED Talk in 2015 talking about the possibility of a pandemic and wiping everybody out, and then five years later you see it happen, and you're like, nobody listened.
[00:11:59]  Nobody loves me.
[00:12:00]  But how crazy is it that people are...
[00:12:01]  Now Bill Gates is the bad guy.
[00:12:03]  I've got people I went to high school with posting insane conspiracies about...
[00:12:09]  Bill Gates is the problem now to a lot of people.
[00:12:12]  How did that happen?
[00:12:13]  Help me there.
[00:12:14]  Help me there with that.
[00:12:14]  I know!
[00:12:15]  I was watching this video from Huntington Beach where all these people are protesting free California and they're running around and this guy's got a megaphone and he's like, Bill Gates is the devil!
[00:12:26]  How did that happen?
[00:12:27]  It's one of the weirdest memes.
[00:12:29]  I know a guy with a bullhorn.
[00:12:32]  Cultural memes.
[00:12:33]  Who says that?
[00:12:34]  has happened that Bill Gates, this philanthropic billionaire who's literally like made toilets in Africa and spent millions of dollars to try to get people education and millions of dollars on all sorts of great social goods.
[00:12:50]  This is so illuminating of how bad Joe is at this.
[00:12:55]  Because on the one hand, on this episode, he's saying that Alex is fucking lying about the things I told him, but not phrasing it that way.
[00:13:02]  And then he's like, how can you make Bill Gates the bad guy?
[00:13:04]  Who could do that?
[00:13:06]  Talk to your friend.
[00:13:07]  How is it possible?
[00:13:08]  Talk to your friend that you support.
[00:13:10]  Do you not even realize that that's Alex's biggest thing in the pink sweaters at this point?
[00:13:16]  When Joe goes on and he's like, hey, I like this guy.
[00:13:19]  He's a friend of mine.
[00:13:21]  Great.
[00:13:22]  But, recognize that a lot of the things that you think are crazy are things that Alex is very strongly pushing into the mainstream consciousness.
[00:13:32]  And so that's pretty sad.
[00:13:34]  This is one of my least favorite.
[00:13:36]  The things that make me so infuriating is when people diagnose the correct problem that we all know how it happened.
[00:13:47]  Everyone knows.
[00:13:49]  Well, Alex wasn't alone in it, but he was a big part of it.
[00:13:52]  No, but I mean, the obvious answer to that is the far right has created a propaganda campaign in order to paint this guy as a villain in order to accomplish their own ends because it's easier to do that.
[00:14:03]  Like, everybody knows this.
[00:14:04]  It's obvious.
[00:14:05]  And take it outside the right wing.
[00:14:07]  It's like conspiracy and larger one-world government and anti-vaccination communities.
[00:14:15]  have demonized him for a long time and the right wing is picking up on that and amplifying it and running with it in a way that they might not have or they might have recognized or like, let's not do this at other times because of the normalization and mainstreaming of conspiracy as a whole.
[00:14:32]  Now here's the last clip from Rogan and it's this one really I love and it's because Rogan is talking about how like, you know, like, hey, you know.
[00:14:43]  It's no good that there's a profit motive in vaccines, right?
[00:14:48]  But, but, but, but, but, he is still pro-vaccination and everything, but it is fucked up that we have that, which would lead you to believe that what he's actually supporting is public subsidization, which is nice, but then he kind of runs right into a brick wall.
[00:15:05]  There we go.
[00:15:06]  Here's the problem.
[00:15:07]  There is profit in vaccines.
[00:15:09]  That's a problem.
[00:15:10]  So, like, when someone looks for a conspiracy and they say something like, Bill Gates, he just wants a profit on the vaccine, you can't say no one ever profits on vaccines.

=== Angry Cynicism Over Vaccine Profits (02:18) ===

[00:15:20]  So that's a stupid idea.
[00:15:21]  You go, well, how much is a vaccine worth and how much profit is there in vaccines?
[00:15:25]  Then you look into it and you go, whoa, there's a lot of profit in vaccines.
[00:15:29]  Shit!
[00:15:29]  I wish there was none.
[00:15:31]  I wish, you know, they're making them just for the greater good of mankind.
[00:15:35]  Right.
[00:15:35]  People are buying private jets and Ferraris off that money, but...
[00:15:39]  Look, everything where people do it and do it well seems to require incentive.
[00:15:45]  But that's also a critique of the system, right?
[00:15:47]  It is.
[00:15:48]  Because it's not just vaccines.
[00:15:49]  But it's funny to me that people don't have a problem with that with capitalism.
[00:15:51]  But the same people that would vote right and don't have a problem with capitalism, maybe be anti-regulation, are angry that people make money off of vaccines.
[00:16:01]  But they're also angry because we're cynical and we wonder, okay, if they're making money off vaccines.
[00:16:07]  Would it be possible for them to incentivize doctors to vaccinate people more, or if they got more people involved, they would make more money?
[00:16:17]  That is a problem in just human nature, when you can make more money.
[00:16:22]  Okay, give me the reality.
[00:16:24]  Not vaccinating and having way more people to treat for stuff is way more profitable.
[00:16:31]  That's a good point.
[00:16:32]  Oh, is it?
[00:16:33]  Yeah.
[00:16:38]  I love moments like that.
[00:16:40]  The end.
[00:16:40]  Well, yeah, alright.
[00:16:41]  You win.
[00:16:42]  Oh, this rant that I just went on about something that makes me worried, I realize is based on a completely faulty premise.
[00:16:48]  Oh, yeah.
[00:16:50]  Huh.
[00:16:50]  Okay.
[00:16:51]  Okay.
[00:16:52]  So, that episode as a whole isn't something I would do a whole episode breakdown about, but the point of really bringing home that Alex completely lied about this, and Rogan has brought it up on his show.
[00:17:05]  Alex is saying crazy shit about our conversation.
[00:17:08]  Like, that's embarrassing.
[00:17:09]  That's really bad.
[00:17:11]  I can't find a way for his reaction to that to make sense to me, because to me, that constitutes a massive betrayal.
[00:17:19]  Oh, it should.

=== Super Spread Rally Risks (05:51) ===

[00:17:20]  You know, somebody took our private conversation, twisted it, changed it, and ruined it, and turned it into a propaganda tool for his bullshit without my knowledge or consent.
[00:17:30]  Yeah.
[00:17:31]  Tried to piggyback the story and make it about himself.
[00:17:34]  Yeah.
[00:17:34]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:17:35]  That's no more a friend time.
[00:17:37]  No, it's downright borderline sociopathic behavior.
[00:17:40]  It's exploitative.
[00:17:41]  Yeah.
[00:17:42]  Well, I don't know.
[00:17:43]  I mean, everyone has their own right to make up their boundaries as they see fit.
[00:17:47]  And if Rogan doesn't see that as a complete breach of trust, then that's his right.
[00:17:51]  Of course.
[00:17:52]  It seems like, man, you got to expect even worse.
[00:17:54]  I mean, how can you not expect after saying, like, how does Bill Gates become the bad?
[00:18:00]  He builds toilets.
[00:18:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:18:03]  How does he expect Alex to not do a segment about that and call you a sneaky snake?
[00:18:07]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:18:08]  You've played this game already.
[00:18:10]  Yeah.
[00:18:11]  Oh, Joe.
[00:18:12]  Yeah, great.
[00:18:12]  Keep amplifying him, man.
[00:18:14]  You poor guy.
[00:18:15]  So we're going to get to the 22nd, but there's another thing that I came across that I felt needed to be talked about, and that was an episode of The War Room.
[00:18:25]  Not a full episode, but a clip that Owen Shroyer put out.
[00:18:29]  And I just want to put this down on wax, as it were, and bring it to people's awareness that Owen Shroyer is putting stuff like this out into the world.
[00:18:37]  There is a rally this weekend in Austin, Saturday at the Capitol at noon, so I will be there.
[00:18:44]  But there's rallies happening in California, New York, everywhere.
[00:18:47]  And I can't be a part of all of them, but I salute all the ralliers.
[00:18:50]  By the way, total proof that there's no damn spread, okay?
[00:18:56]  110% total proof.
[00:18:58]  I don't know what else I can do.
[00:19:00]  I was literally telling Alex, I was like, Alex, I'll go eat dirt on the Capitol.
[00:19:03]  I'll go lick doorknobs.
[00:19:05]  I'll lick a doorknob at a hospital to prove this thing isn't real.
[00:19:07]  You couldn't get coronavirus if you tried.
[00:19:10]  Wow.
[00:19:11]  So that's probably a bad take.
[00:19:13]  I will donate to this cause.
[00:19:16]  Lick doorknobs.
[00:19:17]  He didn't do this, and he shouldn't do it.
[00:19:19]  Eat dirt.
[00:19:19]  You shouldn't encourage him to do that, even as some publicity stunt.
[00:19:22]  Still negative consequences from that.
[00:19:24]  But like...
[00:19:25]  That's the kind of thing that people like Owen are putting out into the world because he's like, I went to this rally and I didn't get sick.
[00:19:31]  It's like, yes, there is some...
[00:19:32]  Like, would you, Owen?
[00:19:34]  Like, I understand there's still even some randomness with licking a doorknob.
[00:19:38]  Like, would you...
[00:19:39]  You know, you could do that and not get sick.
[00:19:41]  There's a possibility.
[00:19:42]  Sure.
[00:19:43]  Would you exchange bodily fluids with someone who has tested positive and is definitely contagious?
[00:19:49]  Obviously.
[00:19:49]  Would you do that?
[00:19:50]  Of course.
[00:19:51]  Okay.
[00:19:51]  There's no spread.
[00:19:52]  Right.
[00:19:52]  There's no spread.
[00:19:53]  You can't spread it.
[00:19:53]  Yeah.
[00:19:54]  Yeah.
[00:19:54]  That's a real lame game.
[00:19:57]  So Owen is doing this rally, right?
[00:20:00]  To reopen stuff and what have you.
[00:20:02]  But he decides he's going to joke around here about how what it really is is a rally to spread the virus.
[00:20:10]  Because then what they can do is they can say that we're trying to spread the virus, but then when no one gets it, it'll all blow up in the media's face.
[00:20:18]  This is really bad.
[00:20:19]  Don't they ever get tired?
[00:20:21]  I'm exhausted by them.
[00:20:22]  This weekend, weekend, weekend, rally, rally, rally, Austin.
[00:20:26]  Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.
[00:20:28]  It's time to spread, spread, spread the COVID-19.
[00:20:33]  Come on out to the Texas State Capitol building in Austin, Texas.
[00:20:37]  Come to the front steps and get your coronavirus.
[00:20:41]  That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:20:42]  We're looking for a super spread, a mega spread, a massive spread here in Austin, Texas.
[00:20:48]  We don't want things reopened, so we're going to have a massive spread rally in Austin, Texas, this Saturday at the Texas State Capitol in Austin at...
[00:20:56]  12 noon, when the sun is at its peak, so that we can spread this virus massively.
[00:21:02]  You can take the virus home and spread it.
[00:21:04]  I can take the virus home and spread it.
[00:21:06]  And we can have a super spread.
[00:21:07]  It starts this weekend in Austin, Texas.
[00:21:09]  And when there isn't a spread, what's the media going to say?
[00:21:12]  Are they going to admit that they were wrong?
[00:21:14]  I doubt it.
[00:21:14]  So let's have the super spread rally.
[00:21:16]  I'll be there Saturday.
[00:21:17]  I'm spreading that virus.
[00:21:19]  Oh, I'm going to spread that virus, Jason.
[00:21:21]  Owen, if you bring your grandma, you don't have to pay cover charge.
[00:21:25]  These jokes are shit.
[00:21:28]  I remember brevity being the soul of wit, and I guess I was wrong.
[00:21:32]  Yeah, you gotta stretch it out.
[00:21:33]  Apparently you really need to milk it.
[00:21:37]  I think things like that are gonna look really bad if you're wrong, Owen.
[00:21:43]  I think that if people die after these rallies or...
[00:21:48]  Or things.
[00:21:49]  It kind of makes it look like you're encouraging the things that might have been a part of leading to their being infected and getting sick and dying.
[00:22:01]  I don't know.
[00:22:02]  First of all, even if that was a joke, it's not a good joke.
[00:22:08]  No.
[00:22:09]  Like, I can separate myself and be like, hey, this is offensive as hell, but it's funny.
[00:22:15]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:22:16]  There is that.
[00:22:17]  Comics.
[00:22:17]  That wasn't funny.
[00:22:18]  That is.
[00:22:19]  That just wasn't funny.
[00:22:20]  There was no bit there.
[00:22:21]  No.
[00:22:22]  Anyway.
[00:22:22]  I mean, they might as well, those rallies might as well feature a wicker man at this point.
[00:22:26]  Like, just...
[00:22:27]  String somebody up and burn a whole farm and a person inside it.
[00:22:31]  You guys are sacrificing yourselves for something.
[00:22:34]  And I don't know why.
[00:22:35]  It's weird because it doesn't feel exactly like that because of the randomness of it.
[00:22:41]  Or not randomness, but you could go to all of the rallies that have ever been and not get sick.
[00:22:47]  It is possible.
[00:22:48]  So you could tell yourself that there isn't a risk to it.
[00:22:52]  And I don't know.
[00:22:54]  I mean, yeah, but there was a guy who was at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki each time when the bombs fell.

=== Declaration of Independence Risks (15:53) ===

[00:23:00]  There was a guy who lived through two nuclear bombs.
[00:23:03]  Really?
[00:23:03]  Yeah.
[00:23:03]  I didn't know that.
[00:23:04]  You can do all kinds of weird shit, but I'm not going to a fucking rally.
[00:23:08]  No, I understand that.
[00:23:10]  It's all possible.
[00:23:11]  The same mentality is what allows people like Owen and Alex to trick with, like, you're not taking risks.
[00:23:19]  So we get to now the 22nd.
[00:23:24]  Rogan's rebuttal and Owen's shitty jokes aside.
[00:23:28]  And like I said, I don't really have much commentary about that except for just to say like, hey, let's remember that.
[00:23:34]  Let's remember that.
[00:23:35]  Put that down.
[00:23:36]  Yeah.
[00:23:37]  So we get to the 22nd and here we jump in and Alex has some big news and that is that the pastors of America are fighting back against the closure.
[00:23:47]  We have...
[00:23:48]  The beginning of the victory.
[00:23:51]  And it is pastors 66 days into total martial law lockdown saying you under the First Amendment have no law, have no right to tell us that we can't be open.
[00:24:08]  Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
[00:24:15]  The first words in American government documents, once a government for, of, and by the people was established, was Congress, the lawmakers, shall make no law.
[00:24:32]  You realize that was added on.
[00:24:35]  Congress, the ultimate lawmaking authority, shall make no law.
[00:24:40]  Congress shall make no law.
[00:24:44]  Moses up on the mountain shall make no law.
[00:24:47]  What?
[00:24:48]  Congress shall make no law.
[00:24:50]  Congress shall make no law.
[00:24:53]  No.
[00:24:53]  Congress shall make no law.
[00:24:56]  Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.
[00:24:57]  Respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the practice thereof.
[00:25:09]  I wonder if at any point in that constant repetition of saying Congress shall not, I wonder if Alex realized that Congress has nothing to do with any of the stay-at-home orders or business closures.
[00:25:19]  Congress made the law that said we're staying at home.
[00:25:21]  Congress shall make no law.
[00:25:23]  And that's who's at fault here, right?
[00:25:25]  No, that stuff's being done on the state level, with Congress not being in the mix at all.
[00:25:29]  The only person who's walking into dicey constitutional territory right now is Trump, when he threatens to override the state governors who don't go along with what he wants.
[00:25:37]  That is, in theory, a violation of the Tenth Amendment, something that Alex used to yell about a whole lot back in 2009.
[00:25:44]  It's all a bunch of nonsense, though.
[00:25:45]  Trump knows that he legally can't make the governors open up anything.
[00:25:48]  It's all just posturing and yelling to his base.
[00:25:51]  I don't know.
[00:25:52]  Could get dangerous.
[00:25:53]  But that said, this is a pretty big embarrassment on Alex's part.
[00:25:57]  He's Mr. State's Rights, and he's supposed to be a constitutional scholar.
[00:26:01]  But even just the very basic things he's saying don't make sense.
[00:26:04]  If the Constitution says that Congress shall not make a law about religion or prohibit its free exercise, that isn't relevant to bring up when Congress isn't making laws or prohibiting anything.
[00:26:14]  It's kind of more of a general thing, you know?
[00:26:17]  Like, when it says Congress, it's kind of more just saying, like, everybody shall make no...
[00:26:22]  You, me, we are all Congress.
[00:26:24]  We're all Congress.
[00:26:25]  And any grouping of people is really a Congress at the end of the day.
[00:26:28]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:29]  So you noticed something in that last clip that was a little bit weird about Alex's phrasing of things.
[00:26:35]  I caught that the first time around, too.
[00:26:38]  But when Alex kept talking, I got real worried.
[00:26:40]  I got really worried.
[00:26:42]  The first words of the government's establishment, the rebellion to establish a government of the people, was the Declaration of Independence.
[00:26:51]  We the people.
[00:26:52]  What about the Articles of Confederation?
[00:26:54]  But now that there's a government, the first words are, Congress cannot make any laws or has no regulations and has no jurisdiction.
[00:27:05]  Can we put the First Amendment to the U.S.?
[00:27:07]  Bill of Rights up on screen, please.
[00:27:09]  Just First Amendment.
[00:27:09]  So this is fucking embarrassing.
[00:27:11]  This is bad.
[00:27:12]  Alex is saying that the Declaration of Independence begins we the people, and that is not true.
[00:27:16]  We the people does not appear anywhere in the Declaration of Independence.
[00:27:20]  What Alex should have said is, quote, when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them.
[00:27:35]  A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
[00:27:42]  That's the beginning of the Declaration of Independence.
[00:27:44]  You know, the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, the very first beginning is, King Richard shall make no law restricting...
[00:27:51]  Sure.
[00:27:51]  What Alex is thinking of with We the People is the preamble to the Constitution.
[00:27:55]  King George, sorry.
[00:27:56]  Alex legitimately seems to not know the difference between the preamble to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, which is a massive problem, considering he's supposed to be an American patriot.
[00:28:04]  Who studied all this stuff.
[00:28:06]  It does seem like that.
[00:28:07]  What's an even bigger problem is that Alex seems to think that the amendments are the beginning of the Constitution.
[00:28:11]  He's saying that as soon as we got ourselves a country going, we're all like, alright, let's start with amending a blank document, which is not the case.
[00:28:18]  That's the plan.
[00:28:19]  The Constitution begins at the preamble, which is, you know, it's just saying that we're trying to form a more perfect union, and this Constitution guides the country.
[00:28:26]  Then it starts with Article 1, which lays out the structure of the legislative branch.
[00:28:30]  Then there's Article 2 for the executive, and Article 3 for the judicial.
[00:28:34]  There's seven articles in total in the original document before the amendments were ever added.
[00:28:39]  Alex doesn't know that much about the Constitution or American history.
[00:28:43]  Not a big fan.
[00:28:43]  It's scary whenever it disagrees with you.
[00:28:45]  Well, and he's not really interested in that stuff.
[00:28:48]  No.
[00:28:48]  He just wants to fight.
[00:28:50]  And the amendments are the enumeration of things that the government can't do and would give him justification to fight the government.
[00:28:57]  That's all he cares about.
[00:28:59]  Anyone with a familiarity with U.S. government, like, I don't know, let's say you took a class in high school on it, would clearly see that Alex has no idea about the things he's talking about.
[00:29:07]  And if there's one thing he damn well should know about, it's this.
[00:29:11]  His whole thing is a charade.
[00:29:13]  Everything is bullshit.
[00:29:14]  The people most likely to carry a constitution are the ones most likely never to have read it.
[00:29:19]  Well, you don't have to read it if you carry it.
[00:29:20]  You carry it around with you.
[00:29:21]  You pull it out, and when somebody references something, you open it up and you go...
[00:29:25]  I don't remember that being there at all.
[00:29:28]  So, Alex, a lot of the beginning of this episode is about the idea that churches are unessential, and the globalists want churches to be unessential.
[00:29:37]  Sure.
[00:29:38]  And Alex is mad about that, because he thinks that they want to end religion and make us all worship the state.
[00:29:43]  Why has, in the Europe and the UK, Australia and the US, why are they saying churches are the thing that has to stay closed the longest?
[00:29:52]  Because it's the most unessential.
[00:29:55]  Because taught in all the sociology, psychology, and anthropology textbooks now, they teach that religion is mental illness.
[00:30:05]  Because their religion is the religion of the state and of globalism and of transhumanism.
[00:30:09]  So they want all other thought processes that don't worship them and don't put the state bureaucrats as God outlawed.
[00:30:16]  And we're right back to having to worship Pharaoh instead of Jehovah.
[00:30:20]  I don't like either.
[00:30:22]  And so this is the prime movement, the prime initiative of the globalist is to end your right to either believe in a God or not believe in a God and make the state God.
[00:30:33]  So in terms of opening up churches and stuff, there's actually a bit of difference of opinion on the question, even among the Christian community.
[00:30:41]  Reverend Lou Peel wrote an op-ed in the Baltimore Sun, arguing that the church building itself could not be the focus of the question, or it shouldn't be at least, because the people themselves are the church.
[00:30:53]  The people are essential, whereas the building itself is important but not essential.
[00:30:57]  As long as there's a virus spreading that's killing people, it's more important to protect them than to go to a building.
[00:31:02]  He cites other folks, like Pastor David Yule, who said, quote, What are the essentials God would ask for the church?
[00:31:09]  We developed a series called Essentials and guess what?
[00:31:12]  Our building wasn't on them.
[00:31:13]  The greatest church is a healthy church.
[00:31:16]  Or there's Pastor Zach Eswine who said, quote, we don't prove our faith by defying orders in order to shake the hand of another Christian.
[00:31:24]  We prove our faith by denying ourselves so that we can clear the throat of a neighbor who can't breathe.
[00:31:30]  I mean, even their own fucking books, as anywhere men gather in my name, I am with them, or whatever it is.
[00:31:36]  You can gather digitally.
[00:31:37]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:31:38]  Obviously, there are plenty of folks who come down on the opposite side of the issue, but to pretend that there isn't a voice within the Christian community that believes that the suspension of in-person services is appropriate is a little bit dishonest of Alex.
[00:31:50]  The Guardian reported in early April about a suburban Sacramento megachurch that didn't take warning seriously.
[00:31:56]  And at least 71 congregants ended up testing positive, and at least one died.
[00:32:00]  In late March, NBC News reported on an Arkansas church that held an event despite warnings, and the result was at least 34 congregants catching coronavirus, including the pastor and his wife.
[00:32:11]  The pastor made a statement, quote, Maybe you assumed that it couldn't happen to you, just like I did.
[00:32:16]  Please adhere to the social instructions that you're receiving locally and nationally.
[00:32:20]  And then there was Bishop Gerald O. Glenn from Richmond, Virginia.
[00:32:24]  He was defiant about continuing to hold services, quote, unless I'm in jail or the hospital.
[00:32:29]  He said, quote, I am essential.
[00:32:30]  I'm a preacher.
[00:32:31]  I talk to God.
[00:32:33]  Glenn caught COVID-19 and is now dead.
[00:32:35]  His wife also tested positive, and it's hard to imagine that there aren't some other churchgoers who have as well.
[00:32:41]  Glenn's daughter said, quote, it becomes very real to you.
[00:32:44]  I just beg people to understand the severity and the seriousness of this, because people are saying it's not just about us.
[00:32:50]  It's about everyone around us.
[00:32:51]  There are more stories like this, but I think you get the point.
[00:32:54]  And they're all about the same.
[00:32:55]  People not taking the risk seriously, then when the consequences come, they say, I should have listened, please take this seriously.
[00:33:01]  The goal is to hopefully never end up in a position where you have to tell people to not be like you and to take the situation seriously.
[00:33:09]  That's what these people whose lives have been horribly affected by the virus are trying to communicate to the rest of us, and it would be wise to heed their words.
[00:33:16]  Yeah.
[00:33:17]  I think everything that I've read, though, even most recent polls are like, the overwhelming majority, even among Christians, even among Republicans, even among everybody, is let's stay inside and get through this shit.
[00:33:31]  But the signal boost...
[00:33:33]  From every possible journalistic outlet towards these ridiculous protests, it makes it feel like, holy shit, the entire right wing is doing this, when it's just a small vocal minority that keeps getting every bit of press they possibly can.
[00:33:48]  And you have people like Owen saying, you can't get it even if you want to.
[00:33:51]  Exactly.
[00:33:51]  Yeah, I've seen some of that data, but I haven't looked too deeply into it, so I'm not entirely sure, but yeah, that was a sense I'm getting, that pretty consistent polling is showing people not wanting to rush this.
[00:34:01]  Yeah.
[00:34:01]  Which is smart.
[00:34:02]  Yeah, which is why, of course, they elected people who are screaming at them that it's time to reopen.
[00:34:07]  Hey, super smart!
[00:34:08]  The reasons why churches would be a serious vector for virus transmission is pretty clear to anyone who thinks about it for a second.
[00:34:14]  There's an almost ritualized environment of shaking hands, of hugging, and when you consider the close seating that's almost universal and the donation basket that gets passed around, these things could be a big problem.
[00:34:25]  I understand and I empathize with the people for whom going to church is a cornerstone of their lives.
[00:34:30]  For a lot of people, the physical church is the center of their social and emotional lives, and for that to go away is really challenging.
[00:34:37]  I would never want to minimize that, and I do want to respect it, but at the same time, when there are such serious stakes involved, there are other ways that those needs can be met, and plenty of ways that the spirituality and religion of your choice can still be practiced.
[00:34:50]  I really enjoyed this quote from Reverend Peel's op-ed.
[00:34:53]  Quote, The new normal, or at least for the moment, may put more emphasis on our personal relationship to our God and how each one of us chooses to worship.
[00:35:06]  Maybe, just maybe, the new normal will be a positive thing.
[00:35:10]  That's kind of a beautiful...
[00:35:12]  No!
[00:35:13]  No!
[00:35:15]  I'm melting!
[00:35:16]  Sorry, that was Alex's reaction.
[00:35:18]  That's kind of a beautiful sentiment, and I'm saying that as a completely non-religious person.
[00:35:22]  It is nice.
[00:35:22]  That is, yeah.
[00:35:24]  It's like, yeah, all these circumstances, we can get through them, and they don't have any effect on what's supposed to be the cornerstone, which is our own connection with the divine.
[00:35:33]  Yeah, there's nothing I know more than that Christianity will, of course, be stamped out and wiped out if we have to wear masks and not go to church for a little bit.
[00:35:42]  Christianity is not a very strong religion whatsoever.
[00:35:45]  How old is it?
[00:35:47]  It's never survived anything like this before, Dan.
[00:35:50]  Yeah, it's strange.
[00:35:53]  But it's really like most of what Alex is getting on about.
[00:35:56]  And part of that is because he has an interview on this show with a pastor who just went viral for tearing up a cease and desist order.
[00:36:04]  Oh, so strong.
[00:36:05]  Yeah.
[00:36:06]  So powerful.
[00:36:07]  He has that guy pray.
[00:36:07]  Just like the martyrs.
[00:36:09]  Just like the martyrs he is.
[00:36:10]  Yeah, he has that guy pray on air.
[00:36:12]  It's very uncomfortable.
[00:36:13]  We're not going to listen to that.
[00:36:15]  But Alex has a news...
[00:36:16]  Which again, by their own Bible, a horrifying thing to do that God will smite you down for, I believe.
[00:36:21]  Possibly.
[00:36:22]  Yeah.
[00:36:22]  I don't know enough about that preacher.
[00:36:24]  I don't care.
[00:36:25]  But this next clip is an unfortunately, you know, it appears to be a true story and, you know, it's a bummer.
[00:36:31]  And so, of course, churches are the most non-essential thing on earth and they're getting burned down in Europe.
[00:36:36]  They're getting burned down in the United States.
[00:36:38]  One got burned down yesterday because they refused to close and a goody two-shoes watching TV came and burned it down.
[00:36:44]  I don't know about what he's talking about in Europe necessarily, but I looked into the specific one in the U.S. I'm not positive that that church was burned down by a goody two-shoes who watches TV, but unfortunately it is a real story, and he's fairly close to accurate on the details, at least as they're currently available.
[00:37:02]  This is the first Pentecostal church in Holly Springs, Mississippi.
[00:37:06]  The church had defied local stay-at-home orders, and last Wednesday, someone set fire to it and left a spray-painted message.
[00:37:12]  Bet you stay home now, you hypocrites, spelled H-Y-P-O-K-R-I-T-E-S.
[00:37:18]  Was that on purpose, you think?
[00:37:19]  I'm not sure.
[00:37:21]  Interesting.
[00:37:21]  It's a real tough misspelling, but...
[00:37:23]  There's some investigation that needs to be done to nail down the culprit and all that, but based on first appearances, it looks like this was an arson committed by someone who was mad that they were defying stay-at-home orders.
[00:37:34]  If that's what it turns out to be, then that's horrible, and it's counterproductive to the aims that the potential or alleged arsonist seems to be motivated by.
[00:37:42]  Burning down the church isn't going to stop them from renting out another space and continuing to hold services.
[00:37:48]  It's an act that's pointless, wrong, and probably counterproductive.
[00:37:51]  It's interesting to think about this, though, and compare it to the other instances of crimes like this and how Alex responds to them.
[00:37:57]  Whenever there's an incident of someone spraying swastikas on a Jewish person's home or any of that sort of hate crime, Alex will immediately and without proof say that the whole thing is fake.
[00:38:07]  Some leftists spray-painted the swastika in order to make it look like there's actual Nazis around.
[00:38:12]  False flag.
[00:38:12]  False flag.
[00:38:14]  You gotta make the right-wing look bad.
[00:38:15]  Yeah, we have to really work hard to make the right-wing look bad.
[00:38:18]  In this instance, they haven't caught the culprit yet.
[00:38:21]  We just have some graffiti that indicates that the person that did this did so because the church was defying stay-at-home orders.
[00:38:27]  Because this incident works for Alex's narratives and grants his side the status of the aggrieved party, Alex doesn't question this at all.

=== Alex And The Arbery Myth (15:47) ===

[00:38:34]  There's absolutely no consideration of the idea that this could be a false flag.
[00:38:38]  If Alex was a sincere actor, he should be speculating about the possibility that some right-wing stay-at-home protesters started the fire and left that message so that arson would be blamed on the folks who were in favor of the stay-at-home orders.
[00:38:50]  The speculation and conspiracy doesn't apply in cases like this because they don't need to.
[00:38:54]  Speculation and conspiracy for Alex are tools of right-wing, gun, and white supremacist apologia.
[00:39:00]  And to be clear, I'm not saying that Alex should speculate that this church arson was a false flag.
[00:39:04]  I don't think it is.
[00:39:05]  And I'm mostly just pointing out how weird it is that he's not playing that game here, but he does in other instances.
[00:39:12]  That's, you know, if I were writing a syllabus of how to study Alex Jones, one of the things I would be like, pay attention to the way he engages in similar stories that target different groups.
[00:39:23]  Pay attention to that, and you should learn almost everything you need to know.
[00:39:27]  Pretty much.
[00:39:28]  Yeah.
[00:39:29]  I will be immensely annoyed if it turns out to be a false flag.
[00:39:32]  That will annoy the shit out of me so hard.
[00:39:35]  Why?
[00:39:36]  What are we doing?
[00:39:37]  Come on, man.
[00:39:38]  Stop it.
[00:39:39]  And now this is just going to make more people think that false flags are a real thing.
[00:39:44]  It's so annoying.
[00:39:45]  That's not a possibility.
[00:39:46]  You really need to take that seriously.
[00:39:48]  I think there's an investigation that'll go the way it goes.
[00:39:52]  I didn't mean to introduce that thought into your mind.
[00:39:54]  No, now I'm terrified that that's the thought.
[00:39:57]  Okay, well, ease your mind.
[00:39:59]  I don't like that more just because regardless of how it happens, the church and the churchgoers and all of us are in this together.
[00:40:10]  They're not a problem.
[00:40:12]  The problem is how they got to where they are.
[00:40:15]  We need to focus on the propaganda and who's doing all of this and who's pushing all of these people this way.
[00:40:21]  Why would you bother with that?
[00:40:24]  That's insane.
[00:40:25]  That doesn't make any sense.
[00:40:26]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:40:27]  It's counterproductive.
[00:40:28]  It's ridiculous.
[00:40:29]  It only serves to hurt the possibility of some sort of understanding and better path forward.
[00:40:36]  So, you're not going to be happy about this, but Alex starts talking about Ahmaud Arbery again.
[00:40:41]  Ooh, cool!
[00:40:43]  And here's why I think he's talking about it.
[00:40:46]  The situation.
[00:40:47]  Hate?
[00:40:48]  Yep.
[00:40:49]  Also, he tells a story about going on a walk and seeing a white guy in a building that's under construction.
[00:41:00]  And then killing that guy?
[00:41:02]  No.
[00:41:04]  That's one major difference.
[00:41:06]  One major difference between the two stories.
[00:41:09]  But he's using that as a way to inoculate himself from a lot of the racism.
[00:41:16]  Of the positions that he is going to express.
[00:41:18]  And I will say this up front.
[00:41:20]  The story about his walk that morning, I don't believe it's true for a fucking second.
[00:41:26]  But Alex has found a new video.
[00:41:30]  And I would say that this is not good.
[00:41:33]  It's not hard-hitting.
[00:41:34]  And so coming up, I've got the footage.
[00:41:36]  Here's an example.
[00:41:39]  Of Ahmed Arbery.
[00:41:41]  When he just pulls up in the park, up on the curb, up in the middle of the park, like he's the king of earth.
[00:41:47]  If I pulled up in the middle of the park, over the curb, and parked in the middle of the park, the cops would show up like that and go, uh, are you mentally ill?
[00:41:55]  Why are you parked in the middle of the park?
[00:41:57]  Why are you out of the parking lot?
[00:41:59]  I mean, it's like, and he's got his coat with his chest out, and he's acting like, you know, he's a billionaire superstar or something, messing with the police.
[00:42:08]  That's really asking for it.
[00:42:10]  This footage that Alex has of Ahmaud Arbery is from 2017, and it's not like he drove his car into a park like you might imagine, like right next to the jungle gym or the bars or whatever.
[00:42:21]  It's a patch of grass next to some train tracks.
[00:42:23]  When the police say why they're talking to him, they don't say that it's because of him driving on the grass.
[00:42:28]  They say it's because that's an area that's known for drug activity.
[00:42:31]  This is just part of Alex's white identity-based propaganda work.
[00:42:34]  It's really important for Alex to make excuses for and form conspiracies about any incidents that appear to be racially motivated violence carried out by white people, because his entire worldview centers around white victimhood.
[00:42:46]  The actual killing looks pretty bad, so Alex and his ilk have decided what they need to do.
[00:42:52]  Ooh, don't talk about it.
[00:42:52]  Well, you can talk about it a little bit, but you gotta paint the victim as someone who had it coming.
[00:42:56]  Of course!
[00:42:57]  Of course!
[00:42:58]  That way you can pay lip service to pretending to be opposed to the killing.
[00:43:01]  But at the same time, you don't really condemn it for what it appears to be.
[00:43:04]  Hey, he drove on some grass.
[00:43:06]  That's a death sentence.
[00:43:07]  That makes sense.
[00:43:09]  He was wearing a coat.
[00:43:10]  What are you going to do?
[00:43:11]  A man's wearing a coat.
[00:43:12]  You gotta kill him.
[00:43:13]  You just gotta.
[00:43:14]  Yeah, this is proof of a deficient character.
[00:43:17]  Of course.
[00:43:18]  That means he probably has to definitively, obviously, it's proven that he was breaking into those houses.
[00:43:23]  Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense.
[00:43:25]  That's the game that's being played here.
[00:43:26]  And again, this is almost a perfect case study in Alex's racism.
[00:43:30]  When you want to understand what makes Alex such a flagrant bigot, all you have to do is consider the differences and how he covers a case like this, where two white men chased down an unarmed black man and killed him, and how he covered the case of Kate Steinle, where a white woman was accidentally hit by a stray bullet that Rick and I had to do.
[00:43:47]  We found on the ground wrapped in a rag.
[00:43:52]  When white people are the victims, it's an anti-white hate crime.
[00:43:56]  When white people are the perpetrator, the victim wasn't so great themselves and they probably had it coming.
[00:44:01]  This is how this works.
[00:44:02]  Again, it's about the differences.
[00:44:04]  You compare things that are You know, hey, your coverage goes this way one time and this way the other.
[00:44:12]  Why?
[00:44:12]  Why is that?
[00:44:13]  Really only one explanation.
[00:44:15]  If you actually have a principle, it does not matter the circumstances surrounding it.
[00:44:20]  My principle is don't murder people.
[00:44:23]  That seems very simple.
[00:44:25]  I don't understand why you need to add other like, oh, well, hold on.
[00:44:28]  This person, I don't know if you know this, stole a pack of gum one time.
[00:44:32]  Oh, well, never mind.
[00:44:33]  Of course it's fine.
[00:44:34]  He was in a house.
[00:44:36]  Naturally.
[00:44:37]  Yeah.
[00:44:37]  Fuck off.
[00:44:38]  Yeah, and so this proceeds, and Alex, what he's doing is essentially trying to build a shitty case as to why you shouldn't care that much about Ahmaud Arbery's death.
[00:44:49]  Let me just tell you, I pull up in the middle of a park in the grass, I'm wearing a fur coat with jogging pants, and I'm waving arms and cussing at people and telling them F you, and then they caught him with marijuana.
[00:45:04]  Which I say they should decriminalize.
[00:45:05]  Fine.
[00:45:06]  But the point is, they didn't arrest him!
[00:45:09]  Because they were politically correct, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:45:12]  So then, months later, he's going in houses.
[00:45:16]  He's casing them out.
[00:45:17]  People go to stop him.
[00:45:19]  Who the fuck are you?
[00:45:19]  This arrest is legal in that state.
[00:45:22]  Holy shit.
[00:45:23]  He starts physically attacking him.
[00:45:24]  He gets killed.
[00:45:25]  I'm not happy this guy got killed.
[00:45:27]  Kind of sounds like you are.
[00:45:28]  It's got that same whole thug look of that white guy this weekend when I'm hiking around the woods behind a neighborhood.
[00:45:34]  And there's a guy in full black with a hood over his head and full like a robber outfit.
[00:45:39]  And I start walking towards him and the guy turns and looks at me all crazy.
[00:45:43]  He was a crazy looking white convict type.
[00:45:45]  And you're asking me, how do I know a thug?
[00:45:46]  Let me tell you, whether they're a white thug or a black thug, I know what a thug looks like.
[00:45:51]  Put them back on screen.
[00:45:51]  They've got that dumb, stupid ass.
[00:45:53]  So the police in 2017 didn't catch Arbery with marijuana.
[00:45:59]  Ahmaud Arbery didn't allow them to search his car, and the police suspected that he had weed in his car, but that's not proven, nor would it matter at all in terms of the bigger conversation that's being had here.
[00:46:08]  Alex literally says that weed should be decriminalized, yet he's here using a lie about the police catching Arbery with weed to paint a picture of Arbery as being someone whose death is not that big a deal.
[00:46:18]  Also, the argument about citizens' arrest is fucking absurd.
[00:46:21]  There are rules about the use of force in terms of putting someone under citizen's arrest, and I don't think anyone could make the argument that the circumstances here justified lethal force.
[00:46:30]  I would fucking love for Alex to try and make that argument, especially in court.
[00:46:34]  That would be fun.
[00:46:35]  The whole story Alex is telling about seeing a white person in a hoodie on his morning hike or whatever, it's absolutely a fake story that Alex has just concocted to allow himself to say horrible things about Arbery, like that he, quote, looks like a thug.
[00:46:48]  Alex gives himself permission to make these very clearly racially coded attacks on a murder victim by fabricating a white person that he's also applying these labels to.
[00:46:57]  See?
[00:46:57]  I know a white person.
[00:46:58]  By using this term to apply to both a real black murder victim and imaginary white guy Alex saw this morning, Alex can pretend that what he's doing isn't outrageously bigoted, but it's a really transparent thing of what he's doing.
[00:47:11]  You know, there are mitigating factors that don't have anything to do with skin color.
[00:47:14]  That's not what I'm talking about.
[00:47:15]  I mean, the way it looks from where...
[00:47:18]  I'm sitting is, Alex just wants to say that Ahmaud Arbery deserved to be killed because he was a black guy doing something suspicious, but he knows that that would be too explicit.
[00:47:25]  He probably doesn't want to deal with the consequences of expressing those opinions.
[00:47:29]  Yeah, no.
[00:47:30]  Because his case is shit.
[00:47:31]  Like, what Alex is doing is shit.
[00:47:33]  It's insane.
[00:47:34]  I wouldn't do this no matter, like, okay, let's do this.
[00:47:40]  Let's do the whole opposite situation.
[00:47:44]  There is a white dude dressed in army fatigues carrying guns who is killed for looking like a terrorist.
[00:47:53]  And then we find out, oh, he's got a previous conviction for domestic violence and yada yada yada and all that shit.
[00:47:59]  That doesn't mean I'm okay or it's not a tragedy that he got murdered.
[00:48:04]  That's still a fucking murder.
[00:48:06]  Right.
[00:48:07]  It's disgusting and awful and you should just be able to fucking say this guy was murdered.
[00:48:13]  For being black.
[00:48:14]  That's it.
[00:48:15]  It shouldn't be that hard to deal with the story in an honest way.
[00:48:20]  In a human way.
[00:48:21]  And it's something Alex can't do.
[00:48:22]  No.
[00:48:23]  And so in order to make this a little bit more compelling, his angle on it, he sort of reports on it alongside another story where a black youth beat up a guy in a nursing home, which is not really related at all.
[00:48:41]  Well, that I support, though.
[00:48:44]  So here's Alex covering that story.
[00:48:47]  And it's in the same segment where he goes from talking about Ahmaud Arbery to talking about this story as almost sort of a way to be like, look, black people beating up old white people.
[00:48:57]  Let's show them the next beating up a woman.
[00:49:00]  Punch her in the throat.
[00:49:02]  But it's okay because they're white.
[00:49:05]  And Twitter's like, damn right, kill that cracker.
[00:49:07]  And it's weird white people saying it.
[00:49:11]  Nothing like beating an Alzheimer's patient because they can't defend themselves.
[00:49:17]  So remember, when you're warehousing your parents, folks, while you're off having fun, you're going to be there too.
[00:49:22]  What?
[00:49:23]  That's right.
[00:49:23]  Beat that white cracker, hoe.
[00:49:26]  What is happening?
[00:49:27]  Show her.
[00:49:29]  And he goes on on his YouTube videos to explain that whites are the devil.
[00:49:34]  So, I don't know what Alex is trying to prove here, although that is a facetious statement.
[00:49:39]  I know exactly what he's trying to do.
[00:49:40]  This story is about a 20-year-old man with a history of unspecified mental illness who was a patient at the Westwood Nursing Center.
[00:49:46]  It's awful, and I'm not making excuses for this kind of thing.
[00:49:49]  It's never okay for someone to assault another person, but in this case, it does appear that there are some side issues that are relevant to consider.
[00:49:56]  The first is the history of mental illness that was the reason this man was in the hospital to begin with.
[00:50:01]  The second is how much of that history was the staff of the hospital aware of and were they negligent to their monitoring or their care for him as a patient.
[00:50:08]  Also, in the video, the man is clearly saying that this guy he's attacking was in his bed, so it's unclear if it's appropriate to ascribe a racial motivation for this beating.
[00:50:17]  It very well may be the case that this guy wasn't in his bed and he was just mad at white people.
[00:50:21]  That's possible.
[00:50:22]  I'm not sure.
[00:50:23]  I guess.
[00:50:24]  But here's the thing.
[00:50:24]  That guy who is hitting is still alive, and the attacker is facing charges for the beating.
[00:50:30]  There are tons of stories in the media you can find about this case.
[00:50:33]  Earlier, Alex was saying that the whole thing, like, no one's talking about this because it's a black guy beating up a white guy.
[00:50:38]  That's a complete lie.
[00:50:39]  Alex is covering the story the way he is because he feels that this is his trump card for people saying that the Ahmaud Arbery killing was racially motivated violence.
[00:50:47]  I find that offensive.
[00:50:49]  Whatever the case is with this 20-year-old guy, even if he did beat up this guy because he was white, that has literally nothing to do with the fact of the Arbery situation.
[00:50:56]  Also, you can just hear in Alex's voice how much more passionate he is about a story like this.
[00:51:01]  Oh, yeah.
[00:51:01]  Where he gets to rile up his audience on ideas of white persecution and fear.
[00:51:05]  It's where he feels the most comfortable, which is really fucked up.
[00:51:09]  Beat that white hoe.
[00:51:10]  You can hear the...
[00:51:13]  I don't know what it is.
[00:51:15]  There's an enjoyment.
[00:51:17]  He's...
[00:51:18]  Very much amplifying the brutality.
[00:51:20]  One, because he likes the brutality.
[00:51:23]  And the brutality sells.
[00:51:25]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:51:26]  And two, because he is making sure that you think, look, look at how brutal this black person is.
[00:51:33]  Look at how violent they are.
[00:51:35]  Now, in the Ahmaud Arbery case, well, hey, they were protecting themselves.
[00:51:40]  And their neighborhood.
[00:51:41]  Their community.
[00:51:43]  He got killed.
[00:51:44]  He got killed.
[00:51:45]  They didn't kill him.
[00:51:47]  He got killed.
[00:51:48]  And it's a shame.
[00:51:49]  It's a shame.
[00:51:49]  I wish that it didn't happen, but also he was in a park in 2017.
[00:51:54]  He's beating this old lady, white cracker.
[00:51:55]  Oh, beat her, beat her, beat her.
[00:51:57]  Come on, man.
[00:51:58]  I think it's pretty clear.
[00:51:59]  It's very obvious what's going on.
[00:52:01]  Yeah.
[00:52:01]  So, at this point, we get into the second hour of the show, and Alex interviews that preacher who ripped up the cease and desist order.
[00:52:07]  It is a hero.
[00:52:08]  Who cares?
[00:52:09]  St. Peter.
[00:52:09]  I don't care about that interview.
[00:52:11]  Call him St. Peter.
[00:52:12]  So, after that, Alex gets weird, man.
[00:52:15]  Sure.
[00:52:15]  I don't know if this is the effect of this guy praying on air and Alex getting real spiritual, but he says some things that I think are fucked up.
[00:52:22]  Let me tell you, folks.
[00:52:23]  I told you they were going to blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on bin Laden.
[00:52:29]  God gave me a vision.
[00:52:31]  Oh, no.
[00:52:31]  And that's the little added ingredient of M4s everybody knows about.
[00:52:34]  It's not just that I know how to politically analyze all this stuff.
[00:52:37]  I can get on my knees and go to that place.
[00:52:42]  And then the problem is you're just in God's presence.
[00:52:44]  You don't care that now you can actually see everything going on in the universe.
[00:52:51]  Plugging directly in to the source.
[00:52:53]  Hey, this is Wolf Blitzer.
[00:52:54]  Welcome to the Situation Room.
[00:52:56]  God has given me precognition.
[00:52:58]  All right.
[00:52:59]  Okay.
[00:53:00]  Top story today.
[00:53:02]  I can see the future.
[00:53:03]  Quick question.
[00:53:03]  How is this electoral college thing going to work out today?
[00:53:06]  Let me tell you.
[00:53:07]  Can we get rid of all your holograms and such since you have the prophetic vision?
[00:53:11]  Let me get down on my knees and enter the zone.
[00:53:14]  Wolf, tell me sight beyond sight!
[00:53:17]  Yeah, so this isn't good.
[00:53:20]  This is a guy claiming he has superpowers that God has given him.
[00:53:24]  Listen.
[00:53:25]  I think in any sort of just neutral context, you hear that and you're like, you're not doing well.
[00:53:31]  Right.
[00:53:31]  You need...
[00:53:32]  Well, you know, everybody wants a little added something to their entertainment.
[00:53:37]  Everybody needs a little flavor.
[00:53:38]  Hey, let me tell you what's different about InfoWars from all these other dumb, dumb news shows.
[00:53:42]  First of all, I really know politics, although I don't really understand the Constitution or the things I yell about all the time.
[00:53:49]  I have no idea what civics are, but I'm a psychic.
[00:53:53]  Honestly, not just for news.
[00:53:55]  That wouldn't be okay on a reality TV show.
[00:53:58]  That wouldn't even be okay for the worst behaving people on the planet where you'd still be like, no, you gotta get out of here, man.
[00:54:04]  I don't think I've heard anybody on The Amazing Race say anything like that, or Survivor.

=== God's Predictions (09:19) ===

[00:54:10]  Hey, don't worry about this.
[00:54:12]  I know you're angry right now.
[00:54:13]  I can see the next clue.
[00:54:15]  We're skipping this shit.
[00:54:16]  God has given me the answers to the tribal councils in the future.
[00:54:21]  I can predict voting.
[00:54:22]  You know who's too hot to handle?
[00:54:24]  God.
[00:54:25]  So, that's not the only superpower Alex has, turns out.
[00:54:28]  We've heard him talk about precognition in the past.
[00:54:31]  Of course.
[00:54:31]  I think it is a little weirder for him to be like, God has granted me.
[00:54:35]  That's weird.
[00:54:36]  But he has another power.
[00:54:37]  I couldn't take the amount of this.
[00:54:39]  When I was like a little kid and had a connection to God, I would just weep.
[00:54:43]  It was so intense.
[00:54:44]  Now I can just take it a little more.
[00:54:46]  But then God goes, oh, you can take that.
[00:54:47]  Here, take this.
[00:54:48]  You're now ready to really see what this looks like?
[00:54:50]  And I can now literally stare into the minds of the enemy.
[00:54:54]  And they know I can.
[00:54:55]  That's why they hate me so much.
[00:54:56]  But I'm like, God, please don't let me do it.
[00:54:58]  Please don't let me stare.
[00:54:59]  They're like, you're going to do it.
[00:55:01]  You're going to look right into them, and you're going to explain it to people.
[00:55:05]  So there's all the fakes in the universe, folks.
[00:55:08]  You're not fake.
[00:55:09]  I'm not fake.
[00:55:10]  So, I have now decided that if I ever do write a book about Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Reluctant Telepath.
[00:55:20]  A decent title.
[00:55:22]  God is forcing me into telepathy and reading the minds of my enemies.
[00:55:26]  I just wish he was like a 15th century monk who could just flagellate with a cat and nine tails.
[00:55:31]  That would be so much easier.
[00:55:33]  That's what he wants to do.
[00:55:34]  Clearly, he's forcing himself to experience some sort of suffering.
[00:55:37]  He's interpreting it that way.
[00:55:38]  I don't know if that's accurate.
[00:55:40]  I just wish I couldn't see what the enemy was doing.
[00:55:43]  So now he's psychic and he can read minds.
[00:55:46]  Right.
[00:55:46]  He's my favorite X-File.
[00:55:47]  He's basically Professor X, right?
[00:55:49]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:55:50]  I mean, that's basically the most powerful telepath in the world.
[00:55:53]  Where's Cerebro?
[00:55:55]  But this is where it all gets really funny because he says this immediately after.
[00:56:00]  When you look at people like Hillary Clinton or Lord Rothschild or the Rockefellers or any of these people, they...
[00:56:07]  Have sold their souls.
[00:56:10]  They have turned themselves over.
[00:56:13]  And they're no longer human.
[00:56:14]  They have given up their humanity and connected into something that's dead and gone.
[00:56:22]  And that's all they can do is run around and...
[00:56:26]  They convince themselves that they're special and they're powerful.
[00:56:29]  They run around and convince themselves they're special and powerful.
[00:56:32]  You just said that you're psychic and telepathic.
[00:56:35]  Wee!
[00:56:35]  Wee!
[00:56:36]  Bill Gates, how are you doing today?
[00:56:39]  I'm doing wonderful, Mr. Rothschild.
[00:56:41]  Wee!
[00:56:42]  Let us cavort through the fields of joy.
[00:56:45]  And there's Alex sitting over here.
[00:56:46]  It's like, ooh, I can see you.
[00:56:48]  I can see you.
[00:56:49]  I can read your mind.
[00:56:49]  I can read your so fucking mind.
[00:56:51]  I'm going to get on the radio and tell people I have mutant powers.
[00:56:54]  Quit running around!
[00:56:55]  Quit it!
[00:56:58]  Stupid.
[00:56:59]  So, Alex does use his psychic powers on this episode, and he does give us a glimpse down the road into the future.
[00:57:06]  I knew Trump was going to win when I asked him in 2015.
[00:57:12]  The spiritual imprint, the thousands of data points, was just very clear that nothing is standing in its way.
[00:57:19]  Because that's how the universe works.
[00:57:22]  Answering prayers.
[00:57:24]  But then, once the real battle began, we had to then carry it the rest of the way.
[00:57:29]  God doesn't win the whole game for you.
[00:57:31]  God will initiate things and end things.
[00:57:34]  But in my experience, in between God initiating and God ending things, it's up to you.
[00:57:39]  God gives it to you.
[00:57:41]  And so I'll say this now.
[00:57:45]  It's taken me weeks to say this.
[00:57:47]  President Trump is going to lose the 2020 election.
[00:57:49]  Right now.
[00:57:50]  Dun, dun, dun!
[00:57:52]  Change the course, but right now he's going to lose for sure.
[00:57:54]  That Carvel monster is up there saying that fat ass is going to lose the rest of it.
[00:57:59]  That's the election fraud.
[00:58:01]  They're blocking everything.
[00:58:03]  They've got targeted tens of millions of brainwashers to go knock on doors under PR company names, violating campaign finance law.
[00:58:12]  Trump let the globalists censor everything.
[00:58:15]  And unless Trump...
[00:58:17]  Can get the Justice Department, if there's good people there, to indict some major globalists on the offense and rolls up some of their main opposition right now who are engaged in political crimes with the Chinese government.
[00:58:32]  Unless Trump does what he's supposed to and scares this outside globalist force to make them turn and run, Trump's going to lose.
[00:58:43]  Let me translate that.
[00:58:44]  Trump's going to lose unless he consolidates power prior to the election.
[00:58:48]  Yeah.
[00:58:48]  That's basically what Alex is saying.
[00:58:50]  Yeah.
[00:58:50]  Unless he strong arms his way into winning the next election, he's probably going to lose even against Biden.
[00:58:56]  Point number one, if Trump loses, it's because everybody else cheated and the election results are illegitimate.
[00:59:02]  Canvassing is brainwashers going door to door.
[00:59:05]  Mail-in ballots is cheating.
[00:59:07]  Of course.
[00:59:08]  Point number two, if Trump starts, let's say, jailing his political opponents, you know that's not because he's consolidating power, although...
[00:59:18]  He is consolidating power.
[00:59:20]  But it's mainly because he's getting rid of evil people.
[00:59:23]  That's the only way he can defeat the globalists.
[00:59:24]  Exactly!
[00:59:25]  In order to stop authoritarianism, we must act the authoritarian.
[00:59:30]  It's the only way.
[00:59:31]  Right.
[00:59:31]  This is a good plan.
[00:59:32]  It's always worked.
[00:59:33]  Love it.
[00:59:34]  It's never happened before.
[00:59:35]  I'm sure this is the first time anybody's tried it.
[00:59:37]  Isn't Alex a prequels guy?
[00:59:42]  He really loves Emperor Palpatine.
[00:59:44]  So in this next clip, Alex plays a clip of Trump talking about how he's going to override the governors if they don't open up churches.
[00:59:52]  I'm going to do some unconstitutional shit.
[00:59:54]  Alex seems to have an interesting take on it.
[00:59:56]  Love it.
[00:59:57]  The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now for this weekend.
[01:00:08]  If they don't do it, I will override the governors.
[01:00:12]  In America, we need more prayer.
[01:00:14]  Not less.
[01:00:16]  Thank you very much.
[01:00:17]  Oh my god.
[01:00:18]  You see, the rebellion is on, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:00:20]  The rebellion is on?
[01:00:22]  You should be really against that, Alex.
[01:00:24]  The rebellion is on?
[01:00:26]  What are we doing?
[01:00:27]  What are we fucking doing?
[01:00:30]  I am going to take extreme ultimate executive power into my hands.
[01:00:36]  Just like the Constitution says I should.
[01:00:39]  Because I disagree with things that states are doing.
[01:00:42]  Congress shall make no law over...
[01:00:44]  Right.
[01:00:45]  So, in this next clip, this is a long clip.
[01:00:49]  I'm going to warn you about that in advance.
[01:00:51]  And it's because I wanted everyone to have a taste of what this episode was like, and I thought that this was the most entertaining and also vapid stretch.
[01:01:01]  Alex, play some techno music.
[01:01:03]  And rants about the devil.
[01:01:04]  Love it.
[01:01:05]  And this is nothing.
[01:01:08]  This is just...
[01:01:09]  This is a fucking asshole filling time.
[01:01:12]  Free will must be tested.
[01:01:18]  Free will.
[01:01:19]  We don't want to be Kim Jong-un.
[01:01:26]  No, Kim Jong-un.
[01:01:29]  And it's that nexus point between free will and God's consciousness that God could make perfect robots all day long that carried out whatever task God wanted.
[01:01:40]  Nexus robots.
[01:01:44]  Who, if they pass the test, one day will stand on the same horizon for the creator of all time.
[01:01:57]  That's not done by supercomputers.
[01:01:59]  That's not done by mad scientists.
[01:02:02]  That's not done by Larry Page or Sergey Brin.
[01:02:05]  That is orchestrated by the creator of the universe.
[01:02:11]  God, not Gates, is where we are now.
[01:02:15]  This planet is going to burn.
[01:02:19]  The seeds are going to boil.
[01:02:22]  It's Toasty.
[01:02:23]  It's Toasty.
[01:02:37]  You said it was long.
[01:02:39]  You said it was long.
[01:02:41]  You really think that's how this dream goes?
[01:02:43]  No.
[01:02:44]  You are cut off from God, so you imagine a Godhead.
[01:02:49]  You imagine an AI system that surveils all humanity.
[01:02:52]  You imagine omnipresence.
[01:02:55]  Because you and your ancestors refused omnipremence.
[01:03:00]  What?
[01:03:01]  You refused to interface with the Godhead.
[01:03:03]  Did we?
[01:03:04]  When?
[01:03:07]  Oh.
[01:03:08]  You could have risen from the very beginning, but instead you chose to climb down a hole with that devil.

=== Believe You Were God (03:48) ===

[01:03:16]  And in that nest, you believed that you would create Valhalla.
[01:03:24]  What?
[01:03:25]  What are we doing?
[01:03:28]  Valhalla's real?
[01:03:31]  Believe you were God.
[01:03:33]  Believe you were king.
[01:03:36]  Believe you were the author of the universe.
[01:03:39]  When all you were was a potential for consciousness.
[01:03:46]  Sure.
[01:03:47]  I am so high.
[01:03:54]  But you rejected the very force that created you.
[01:03:59]  Naturally.
[01:04:00]  So because of that, that's why they call you the follower.
[01:04:03]  Because without the wind.
[01:04:08]  A kite can't fly.
[01:04:09]  Uh-oh.
[01:04:09]  Oh, man.
[01:04:10]  Music's gone.
[01:04:12]  That would have been a great drop, though.
[01:04:13]  There is no humanity.
[01:04:15]  And you believe you can cut off the universe and say that you are a god.
[01:04:21]  And we're doing such things.
[01:04:23]  And let's ask for an amazing discussion with the yellow tooth goblin that Alan Dershowitz has is.
[01:04:29]  Okay.
[01:04:32]  That reminds me.
[01:04:33]  That's the whole break.
[01:04:34]  Have you ever heard that Godspeed, You Black Emperor song?
[01:04:39]  They've got this overlay of an interview with the Sovereign Citizen guy, and he's just going over and he's like, and I got this ticket, and I went to the court, and I went to the judge, and I said, listen, I'm not going to take your shit!
[01:04:49]  And all the while playing underneath it is just some swelling, Godspeed you, Black Emperor music.
[01:04:54]  And God, it would be so much better if it was Alex.
[01:04:57]  It would be so much better.
[01:04:58]  Possibly.
[01:04:59]  But like, that was uninspired as hell.
[01:05:01]  So insane.
[01:05:02]  That was a very bland Alex rant.
[01:05:05]  But like, why are you doing that other than you enjoy talking over music?
[01:05:10]  Like, that's the only thing that is.
[01:05:11]  Yeah.
[01:05:12]  And I love just the like, uh-oh, ran out of music.
[01:05:15]  And then like 10 seconds later, the outro music.
[01:05:18]  Play it up, yeah!
[01:05:20]  He's like, alright, we're going to be back.
[01:05:22]  We're going to talk to somebody who talked to David Horowitz.
[01:05:26]  Alan Dershowitz, I believe.
[01:05:28]  Excuse me.
[01:05:28]  Oh, the Dersh.
[01:05:29]  Oh, boy.
[01:05:30]  So, stupid.
[01:05:31]  That's pretty great.
[01:05:33]  I feel like that clip was probably a little bit painful, and I'm sorry to subject the listeners to that, but I wanted you to feel it.
[01:05:40]  I wanted you to feel it, because this episode is a lot.
[01:05:43]  There's a bit of that in this.
[01:05:46]  And honestly, like...
[01:05:47]  I wasn't even going to cut that clip at all.
[01:05:50]  I was just listening to it.
[01:05:52]  His rant?
[01:05:53]  Slowly losing your mind.
[01:05:54]  About a minute in, I was like, wow, he's still going.
[01:05:56]  How about that?
[01:05:57]  Another minute later, I'm like, this is not going anywhere.
[01:06:00]  This is really treading water here.
[01:06:04]  Third minute in, I'm falling asleep.
[01:06:06]  And then I realize, I gotta cut all of this.
[01:06:08]  I gotta tell the people.
[01:06:10]  It turns out I am a psychic too, because I knew that was going down.
[01:06:13]  What?
[01:06:14]  Because it was too long?
[01:06:14]  It was too long.
[01:06:15]  Yeah.
[01:06:16]  So in this next clip, Alex comes back and he talks about how he knew what...
[01:06:20]  Trump was going to say at the inauguration.
[01:06:24]  Sure.
[01:06:24]  Right?
[01:06:25]  Sure.
[01:06:26]  And he gets into how a little bit later, and it's troubling.
[01:06:29]  I was there on January 20th, 2017, when President Trump was inaugurated president.
[01:06:35]  And I tweeted, Trump will invoke the secret technologies that are suppressed.
[01:06:39]  Trump will invoke Americanism, not globalism.
[01:06:42]  Trump will invoke humanity and truly our march to the stars.

=== Bad News on Hydroxychloroquine (03:10) ===

[01:06:47]  And after the speech Trump gave, the major New York Times writer comes up and he goes, and he was one of their people.
[01:06:53]  He was just like, how did you know that?
[01:06:55]  Are you talking to him today?
[01:06:56]  This is totally a true story.
[01:06:58]  I just knew what he'd say, and he knew it was true.
[01:07:00]  He goes, his hate being cut off from God was so intense.
[01:07:06]  It sounds like a very true story.
[01:07:08]  They want to build that without God, and they don't have it.
[01:07:11]  The real Internet.
[01:07:13]  Yeah, so I don't believe that story.
[01:07:15]  No, that's a true story.
[01:07:17]  You know how the New York Times reporters growl at Alex?
[01:07:20]  Totally.
[01:07:20]  They can't stop themselves.
[01:07:22]  Anytime they get too close to his presence, they begin to growl.
[01:07:25]  He's overflowing with God.
[01:07:28]  Oh boy.
[01:07:28]  Don't believe that.
[01:07:29]  I wonder if they just called him for a comment.
[01:07:31]  Would they still growl at him?
[01:07:33]  Yeah, probably.
[01:07:34]  The distance doesn't matter?
[01:07:35]  Also, how does that come with those miracle cures?
[01:07:38]  Those technologies that were going to be revealed?
[01:07:41]  How does that come?
[01:07:42]  I wasn't even going to point that out.
[01:07:43]  Right.
[01:07:43]  There's just no point.
[01:07:45]  Right.
[01:07:45]  So Alex complains this next clip about the UN is in control of everything.
[01:07:51]  Of course they are.
[01:07:52]  And then he says that hydroxychloroquine's good.
[01:07:55]  We're under UN control.
[01:07:58]  You turned CNN on.
[01:08:03]  They tell you the UN runs things.
[01:08:05]  The UN says hydroxychloroquine doesn't help.
[01:08:08]  The UN says zinc sucks.
[01:08:10]  The UN says you don't need vitamin C, oxygen, or water!
[01:08:13]  They don't say that.
[01:08:14]  But also, bad news for Alex on the hydroxychloroquine front.
[01:08:17]  How's it going?
[01:08:18]  So, on the very day he's doing this episode, May 22nd, Lancet published a paper that looked at the fatality rates across six continents of people who were taking hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19.
[01:08:28]  Right.
[01:08:28]  According to a Guardian article about this paper, quote, The death rate among all groups taking the drugs was higher than among people who were not given them.
[01:08:36]  That's because it's too good a cure.
[01:08:38]  One in six of those taking one of the drugs died, while one in five died if they were taking chloroquine with an antibiotic, and one in four if they were on hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic.
[01:08:49]  The death rate among patients not taking the drugs was one in eleven.
[01:08:53]  This wasn't a formal study, so there aren't variable controls in place.
[01:08:57]  So the differences in death rates may not be as big as those numbers suggest.
[01:09:00]  But, quote, the U.S. authors of the study say allowing for these differences, there was still higher mortality among those taking the drugs.
[01:09:08]  More and more evidence is mounting that this is not a good drug to be boosting for COVID treatment.
[01:09:13]  And yet Alex is still on that hill.
[01:09:15]  He's so desperate to defend the stupid things Trump says that he's willing to support an unproven treatment that could kill people rather than just say, hey, look, Trump is off base on this one.
[01:09:24]  I don't know what he's doing.
[01:09:25]  It's really sad.
[01:09:26]  It's really sad.
[01:09:27]  He's like, for someone who's like, you know, I'm a free thinker.
[01:09:31]  I'm outside the box.
[01:09:32]  All you sheeple.
[01:09:33]  All you people that followers.
[01:09:35]  I will do literally anything that Trump says.
[01:09:37]  He's a very definition of a follower.
[01:09:38]  Yeah.
[01:09:38]  It's very sad.
[01:09:39]  Very sad.
[01:09:39]  You know, like...

=== Politician's Pushing Bullshit (12:24) ===

[01:09:41]  Remember all the drugs that are developed over time with impulsive scientists and they aren't just like a politician comes out and says, take them?
[01:09:51]  Those are all the good drugs.
[01:09:52]  Oh.
[01:09:53]  Those are all the good ones.
[01:09:54]  It's an interesting axiom.
[01:09:55]  Yeah, but when the politician comes out and says, just take this.
[01:09:59]  Not good?
[01:10:00]  It's bad.
[01:10:01]  I'm just going to say that right now.
[01:10:03]  I didn't learn that in the civics class that I didn't take it.
[01:10:06]  I know, but the first words of the Constitution are, Congress shall make no law restricting the president from pushing some bullshit on people.
[01:10:15]  Alex does say that the president has free speech.
[01:10:18]  There you go.
[01:10:18]  Cool.
[01:10:19]  So, in this next clip, Jordan, I know you're probably wondering, how did Alex know what Trump was going to say at the inauguration?
[01:10:26]  Was not wondering.
[01:10:27]  You weren't?
[01:10:27]  No.
[01:10:28]  I don't need to call Trump up over a telephone.
[01:10:34]  Trump up over a telephone.
[01:10:40]  And you see, Trump is the oracle.
[01:10:43]  Somebody slapped him.
[01:10:45]  Our dreams, our hopes, what we want.
[01:10:48]  He is picking it up.
[01:10:50]  That's why you've got to pray for Trump and then pray for how you want God to influence Trump.
[01:10:58]  Because Trump's in the middle.
[01:10:59]  We're here.
[01:11:00]  What?
[01:11:01]  God's up here.
[01:11:01]  You can reverse it.
[01:11:02]  We're here.
[01:11:03]  Trump's here.
[01:11:03]  God's there.
[01:11:04]  And Trump knows that.
[01:11:06]  He knows that.
[01:11:08]  What?
[01:11:09]  Trump knows that.
[01:11:11]  You don't even know that.
[01:11:14]  Trump loves God now.
[01:11:16]  Oh, boy.
[01:11:17]  Oh, boy.
[01:11:19]  I'm so scared.
[01:11:21]  Okay.
[01:11:22]  Now, here's the big issue.
[01:11:23]  Yeah.
[01:11:23]  If he can talk to Trump without the use of a phone.
[01:11:26]  He's definitely implying telepathic communication.
[01:11:28]  He is a national security risk.
[01:11:31]  No doubt.
[01:11:32]  He's got all of the secrets!
[01:11:34]  He can just telepath in there all the time!
[01:11:36]  No.
[01:11:37]  Other countries need to be kidnapping Alex Jones and raiding his mind for all of Trump's secrets.
[01:11:43]  No, because Trump doesn't have secrets.
[01:11:44]  His mind is just like a couple of dolphins juggling ice cream cones or something.
[01:11:50]  Alex tries to read his mind to find the nuclear codes and he's like, what the fuck is this?
[01:11:55]  What is this, a Betty Boop cartoon?
[01:11:57]  What is going on?
[01:11:59]  That's what ends up happening when Alex gets telepathic with Trump.
[01:12:02]  Mickey Mouse starts whistling in the corner.
[01:12:05]  So, yeah, Alex is...
[01:12:07]  Definitely implying that there's a telepathic connection with him and Trump, which is upsetting.
[01:12:12]  Very strongly.
[01:12:13]  Very upsetting.
[01:12:14]  And then the other thing that's super upsetting there is that he's definitely saying that God is here, we're here, and Trump is in the middle.
[01:12:21]  Right.
[01:12:21]  And that seems to be...
[01:12:23]  Where Jesus is?
[01:12:25]  I mean, that's one thing to consider, but another thing to consider is this is basically king shit.
[01:12:31]  This is what you say about...
[01:12:35]  Someone who's divinely ordained to be your ruler.
[01:12:38]  Yep.
[01:12:39]  They're a conduit through which God speaks.
[01:12:42]  And you know what?
[01:12:43]  I mean, that's exactly what the early, early church was.
[01:12:46]  The priest was the only one who could speak to God and he would convey the messages from the Holy of Holies.
[01:12:52]  Well, hell, it was only two Japanese emperors ago and they were the conduit for God.
[01:12:57]  Sure.
[01:12:59]  It's definitely not like a republic, democratic republic view.
[01:13:05]  Of the ruler.
[01:13:06]  It is hard to...
[01:13:07]  It's tough to square that with anything that our country is based on.
[01:13:11]  It's hard to justify a peaceful transition of power away from God's chosen president.
[01:13:17]  Well, it'd have to imply that...
[01:13:18]  Does God choose a new one?
[01:13:20]  Well, I mean, there's two possibilities.
[01:13:22]  Either he has lost the will of God and now...
[01:13:24]  The mandate of heaven.
[01:13:25]  And whoever wins gets it.
[01:13:27]  Of course.
[01:13:27]  Or...
[01:13:28]  The mandate of heaven is so flimsy that it can be undone by...
[01:13:32]  Human machinations.
[01:13:34]  Yeah, God doesn't really have much of a swing on this one, apparently.
[01:13:38]  He can be knocked out every four years.
[01:13:41]  But I mean, if Alex is there, I mean, what are we doing?
[01:13:45]  Like, this guy is a zealot.
[01:13:47]  Like, so far beyond the realm of acceptable beliefs.
[01:13:51]  Yeah, no, this is king.
[01:13:52]  Yeah, he should be ashamed.
[01:13:55]  So Alex plays that clip.
[01:13:57]  I believe this is where he does this again.
[01:14:01]  He plays the clip of Trump talking about opening up the churches.
[01:14:05]  And man, this is funny.
[01:14:06]  Alex's interpretation of this is real funny.
[01:14:09]  The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now.
[01:14:17]  Here's the key.
[01:14:18]  For this weekend.
[01:14:19]  If they don't do it, I will override the governors.
[01:14:24]  In America, we need more prayer, not less.
[01:14:28]  Pause.
[01:14:28]  Thank you.
[01:14:29]  Did you just hear that?
[01:14:30]  He's never said override governors.
[01:14:32]  Back that up 20 seconds.
[01:14:33]  He just, the only way the federal government can override is if it is the first or second amendment or fourth or fifth and a few others.
[01:14:41]  What?
[01:14:42]  He's getting really good advice.
[01:14:42]  What are you fucking talking about?
[01:14:44]  What about the third?
[01:14:45]  What are you fucking talking about?
[01:14:47]  The only, the government, only the first or a few amendments?
[01:14:52]  Only a few amendments allow the government to do.
[01:14:55]  What are we doing?
[01:14:56]  I don't know, man.
[01:14:57]  What are we fucking doing?
[01:14:58]  Alex is making shit up.
[01:14:59]  Jesus Christ!
[01:15:00]  He's making stuff up in order to try and make it appear like this isn't a contradiction of his, like, really extreme Tenth Amendment shit from back in the earlier days when Obama was president.
[01:15:12]  That's all that's going on here.
[01:15:13]  Like, it's just a shitty, shoddy rationalization of a complete flip-flop on his part.
[01:15:21]  In order to, you know, serve at the boots of Trump.
[01:15:25]  I remember shame.
[01:15:27]  Remember shame?
[01:15:28]  Shame was good.
[01:15:30]  I liked shame when people experienced shame for saying shit like that.
[01:15:34]  And they were like, whoa, I feel physically bad after saying something that completely compromised everything I've ever espoused in my entire life.
[01:15:42]  I feel bad about that.
[01:15:44]  Yeah.
[01:15:44]  Apparently, we are not there anymore.
[01:15:46]  And you can just say that shit and feel free and rollick like your Lord Rothschilds do.
[01:15:52]  Yeah, man.
[01:15:53]  It's bad.
[01:15:55]  I mean, we've covered a large part of that, like 2009 period.
[01:15:59]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:16:02]  He was...
[01:16:03]  He was having state legislators on regularly who were pushing 10th Amendment resolutions.
[01:16:09]  He was talking about a constitutional convention.
[01:16:15]  It's ridiculous.
[01:16:17]  You look at this picture of this broken-down loser that he is in 2020, and it's just like, God damn, man.
[01:16:24]  You would hate yourself.
[01:16:26]  There's no other way to put it.
[01:16:28]  A decade ago, you would be your own worst enemy.
[01:16:30]  You would be...
[01:16:32]  The person...
[01:16:32]  Like, Glenn Beck would be second to your future self.
[01:16:35]  To you, yeah.
[01:16:37]  It's very sad.
[01:16:38]  Yeah, I can't imagine it would be difficult to put together a...
[01:16:42]  What?
[01:16:43]  Like a debate between new Alex and old Alex and just have them argue with each other all day.
[01:16:49]  I hate that you said that because now I'm thinking about...
[01:16:51]  Don't do it.
[01:16:51]  Don't.
[01:16:52]  That is for an enterprising documenter.
[01:16:57]  Yeah, I don't have the time.
[01:16:58]  Although I bet it will go viral.
[01:17:00]  See, this is why we are bad.
[01:17:02]  This is why we're really bad at what we do.
[01:17:03]  We're bad at strategies.
[01:17:04]  We focus on putting out three...
[01:17:06]  Twelve hour episodes per week instead of making one thing that will go viral.
[01:17:11]  That's an issue for us.
[01:17:12]  That is a problem.
[01:17:13]  So, on our last episode on Friday, we had a weird clip where Alex said that he prayed with somebody, and then he was like, I can't get into it.
[01:17:21]  I can't get into it.
[01:17:22]  This comes up again.
[01:17:24]  I prayed with a very prominent person.
[01:17:28]  Several, well...
[01:17:29]  The devil?
[01:17:31]  And I told you this.
[01:17:33]  Thank you.
[01:17:38]  First time Trump, like four years ago, was telling me how much he loved Jesus and how much he loved God.
[01:17:44]  I thought he was patronizing.
[01:17:46]  Get the fuck out of here.
[01:17:46]  Come on, man.
[01:17:47]  He wasn't patronizing.
[01:17:49]  Come on.
[01:17:50]  Come on, guys.
[01:17:51]  We all know the score.
[01:17:52]  And just like they could find it, Melania, when we come back for the next guest.
[01:17:55]  What?
[01:17:56]  When they were threatening Trump, threatening to kill him, everything, and she goes, she likes to say the Lord's Prayer.
[01:18:01]  I was like, I know she was going to do that because there are no atheists in foxholes, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:18:08]  Doesn't exist.
[01:18:09]  I think that's just a saying.
[01:18:11]  Yeah, there are a lot.
[01:18:13]  Yeah, so I still think it's Roger.
[01:18:16]  I think that's Roger Stone.
[01:18:17]  It has to be Roger.
[01:18:17]  Yeah.
[01:18:18]  I don't know why he's playing it so close to the vest.
[01:18:20]  I don't know.
[01:18:21]  Probably because they also committed a crime during that prayer?
[01:18:24]  Maybe.
[01:18:24]  Hey, is that like attorney-client privilege stuff?
[01:18:28]  Hey, you can't get me for planning a crime when I was praying.
[01:18:32]  I was praying at the time.
[01:18:33]  Congress shall make no law restricting my prayer for crimes.
[01:18:37]  Sure, sure.
[01:18:37]  We planned a crime, but I hadn't said amen.
[01:18:40]  So, it's unadmissible in court.
[01:18:43]  First Amendment grounds.
[01:18:45]  Yeah.
[01:18:45]  I don't know, because Alex has talked bluntly about praying with Roger and bringing Roger to God in the past.
[01:18:53]  So it doesn't seem like he would be playing this game where on multiple episodes he's like, I can't say who it was.
[01:18:58]  Right.
[01:18:59]  If it was Roger, but...
[01:19:00]  Maybe he's just not supposed to...
[01:19:02]  Maybe that's some unwritten part is he's not allowed to...
[01:19:05]  Talk about Roger anymore.
[01:19:06]  No, I bet that he forgot that he said that about Roger.
[01:19:10]  Oh, that's possible.
[01:19:11]  He thinks he hasn't brought it up on air.
[01:19:12]  That's possible.
[01:19:12]  That's what I bet it is.
[01:19:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:14]  So we know that Alex is really bad with Thomas Jefferson quotes.
[01:19:19]  But how does he do with quotes from...
[01:19:21]  Is he really good with them?
[01:19:22]  No, he's not.
[01:19:23]  He's very bad with them.
[01:19:24]  How does he do with quotes from outside of the United States?
[01:19:28]  Well, if it's a non-white person, I bet he's going to attribute it to a white person.
[01:19:31]  There's no choice in this, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:19:34]  You choose God or you choose eternal death.
[01:19:38]  You think you're on this planet and have this consciousness?
[01:19:41]  This is some kind of damn game?
[01:19:43]  You think it's all about watching TV?
[01:19:46]  No, man, this is about your soul.
[01:19:48]  You're a sentient creature.
[01:19:50]  You have, like Mahatma Gandhi said, who is a Hindu, but I understood his perspective, which is totally true.
[01:19:56]  Each soul is a seed of the universe, has the potentiality of the universe.
[01:19:59]  Well, that is absolutely true.
[01:20:04]  You think about that.
[01:20:06]  And then you start playing games.
[01:20:08]  Huh.
[01:20:15]  Very weird.
[01:20:16]  Okay.
[01:20:17]  I don't think that's a real Gandhi quote.
[01:20:19]  I tried to find it.
[01:20:21]  I can't find it anywhere.
[01:20:23]  I have no idea.
[01:20:25]  I don't know any Gandhi quote that's, our souls are the seeds of the universe.
[01:20:30]  Doesn't sound like what he was talking about.
[01:20:33]  So no, I looked for that.
[01:20:34]  I couldn't find anything.
[01:20:37]  I don't know if it's a real quote, but if it is, I can't find it.
[01:20:42]  I know Alex's batting average is so bad that I can't imagine it's...
[01:20:46]  It's real and I just can't find it.
[01:20:48]  But I'm also not going to spend like five hours trying to track down some quote.
[01:20:52]  I like swinging and just throwing it at Gandhi's feet.
[01:20:55]  Sure.
[01:20:56]  Like, that sounds great.
[01:20:57]  Like, everybody knows sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name.
[01:21:07]  Gandhi.
[01:21:08]  Boom.
[01:21:08]  Yeah, that one is real.
[01:21:10]  That one's real.
[01:21:10]  Yeah, I found that one.
[01:21:12]  So Alex ends his run here with an interview with a guy named Jason Goodman, who runs his own YouTube show about nonsense.
[01:21:20]  Sure.
[01:21:21]  And maybe we'll talk about him at some point in the future.
[01:21:24]  Are we at war with YouTube?
[01:21:26]  What?
[01:21:27]  I mean...
[01:21:28]  Isn't Alex and Joe Rogan and everybody at war with YouTube?
[01:21:31]  Why are they talking to YouTube people?
[01:21:33]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:21:33]  Well, because they have audiences.
[01:21:35]  Oh, that's probably a good reason.
[01:21:37]  Yeah.
[01:21:37]  And so anyway, he's the guy who interviewed Dershowitz.
[01:21:43]  Okay.
[01:21:44]  In that interview that Alex got super pissed off about.
[01:21:47]  Right.
[01:21:47]  And started screaming about how he's a fucking piece of shit.

=== Animal Trials Controversy (03:08) ===

[01:21:50]  Right, right, right.
[01:21:53]  So they end up talking a bit about Dershowitz's answers about Epstein and stuff like that and how he didn't have anything to do with it.
[01:22:01]  Of course not.
[01:22:01]  According to him.
[01:22:02]  Of course not.
[01:22:03]  Oh, yeah.
[01:22:04]  Right.
[01:22:04]  I don't care.
[01:22:04]  I don't care about Alex interviewing a guy who interviewed a guy.
[01:22:09]  I don't care.
[01:22:09]  I don't care.
[01:22:10]  If I cared, I'd go watch Goodman's interview.
[01:22:13]  That would make sense.
[01:22:14]  And we would just go from there.
[01:22:15]  That would make more sense.
[01:22:16]  This secondhand nonsense is no good for me.
[01:22:18]  But there's a couple of things.
[01:22:20]  Maybe just one thing that stuck out to me that I thought was interesting.
[01:22:23]  They're not allowed to bypass animal trials under federal law.
[01:22:26]  How is this happening?
[01:22:28]  How is Moderna, meaning the mother in Spanish, and these other three companies doing human testing in the United States right now?
[01:22:36]  So Moderna means modern in Spanish.
[01:22:39]  Madre.
[01:22:40]  Means mother.
[01:22:40]  Yes.
[01:22:41]  Moderna means mother.
[01:22:43]  No.
[01:22:44]  No.
[01:22:44]  Madre.
[01:22:44]  Moderna.
[01:22:45]  Also, there isn't a law.
[01:22:47]  About animal trials.
[01:22:49]  It's just normal operating procedure for vaccine development to use animal trials, but it's not the law.
[01:22:55]  From an article in Stat News, quote, regulators require that manufacturers show a product is safe before it goes into people, and while it isn't enshrined in law, researchers almost always check that a new concoction is effective in lab animals before putting human volunteers at potential risk.
[01:23:12]  Alex is just making up that there's a law, but it's definitely uncommon.
[01:23:15]  These are uncommon circumstances we're in right now.
[01:23:18]  And I'm not going to sit here and deny that there are potential dangers that could come from skipping any kind of step in normal processes.
[01:23:25]  And I'm not sure.
[01:23:26]  I'm certainly not in a position where I have enough awareness to understand what kind of calculus people are making.
[01:23:32]  Like, what could we learn from the animal trials that we might not be?
[01:23:37]  They ain't got to add in how cruel are animal trials, period.
[01:23:41]  What should we be doing to factor those out as a whole, possibly?
[01:23:45]  I don't know enough.
[01:23:46]  But I know that from reading a number of articles on this, there's no law.
[01:23:51]  Alex is making that up.
[01:23:52]  And people who have familiarity with the topic understand, or at least they're expressing that if you go the normal route, it'll be 10 years before there's a vaccine on this.
[01:24:05]  You don't want to wait 10 years, do you?
[01:24:07]  I don't know.
[01:24:09]  I certainly don't.
[01:24:13]  Right.
[01:24:14]  If there is a situation where skipping those steps ends up putting us in a position where something really unexpected and negative happens.
[01:24:21]  And I think it is better to take your time to do things right.
[01:24:26]  For sure.
[01:24:26]  But at the same time, I'm not sitting here thinking like whatever vaccine they do end up developing is going to be intrinsically dangerous.
[01:24:32]  Right.
[01:24:33]  Or anything.
[01:24:34]  It seems like.
[01:24:34]  I trust.
[01:24:35]  I trust that people who this is their lives.
[01:24:38]  Yeah.
[01:24:39]  They understand those concerns that I might think of in my head.

=== Allow Expertise To Lead (03:12) ===

[01:24:43]  Right.
[01:24:43]  And generally, when I try and look for perspective on those things, all of the questions that I have are pretty well discussed.
[01:24:50]  Yeah.
[01:24:50]  Yeah.
[01:24:50]  It seems like...
[01:24:52]  Now, I'm just spitballing here.
[01:24:54]  You and I probably aren't the guys to make that kind of call.
[01:24:58]  No.
[01:24:58]  Because we don't really know enough about it.
[01:25:00]  It's not our area of expertise.
[01:25:01]  Nope.
[01:25:01]  And you would say that that would be true for many people.
[01:25:05]  So what we should do is allow people for whom that area is their expertise to make those decisions.
[01:25:11]  That makes sense, right?
[01:25:12]  Sure.
[01:25:13]  I think we can all agree that that's a good idea.
[01:25:14]  So why can't we agree that that's a good idea?
[01:25:17]  Because some people are angry.
[01:25:20]  So we have one last clip here, and it's a...
[01:25:23]  I don't know.
[01:25:24]  I was going to say it's a rare glimpse into Alex being a bad boss, but that's not true.
[01:25:29]  That's not true.
[01:25:29]  We see a fair amount of that.
[01:25:31]  He's a bad boss on the daily.
[01:25:33]  But this one is particularly awful because the way in which he's being a bad boss is actually kind of, it kind of undercuts some of his beliefs and love for this country.
[01:25:46]  Owen Schroyer's coming up.
[01:25:47]  I'll be back this Sunday, by the way, 4 to 6 p.m. Central.
[01:25:51]  I'm doing that Sunday show live.
[01:25:52]  The crew's trying to talk me how to do a Memorial Day live.
[01:25:55]  So they get a day off, but we'll see what happens with that.
[01:25:59]  Yeah, we will.
[01:26:00]  I bet you're going to be there on Memorial Day and making your staff work.
[01:26:02]  Oh, man.
[01:26:03]  I love this country so much.
[01:26:04]  You think you're going to get a day off just for what?
[01:26:06]  Memorial Day?
[01:26:07]  I don't even know what this day is about.
[01:26:09]  Let's memorialize this day on my broadcast where I'm going to yell at weirdos.
[01:26:15]  Ugh.
[01:26:16]  Yeah.
[01:26:16]  Oh, boy.
[01:26:17]  So, I don't know, man.
[01:26:17]  This episode as a whole really wasn't, like, that great.
[01:26:22]  Yeah.
[01:26:23]  But...
[01:26:23]  The fact that he did the, like, that Rogan, first of all, had a left-wing dude on his show and explicitly said that Alex was lying.
[01:26:33]  Yeah.
[01:26:34]  That necessitated keeping us in the Alex, right?
[01:26:36]  And, I mean, like, hey, we just learned that Alex is a telepath and a psychic and that he believes that he's telepathically connecting with Trump.
[01:26:42]  If we got to sit through a three-minute rant about the devil to get there, I think it's worth it.
[01:26:48]  Because it adds so much to our world now.
[01:26:50]  So what do you think his favorite X-File is?
[01:26:54]  Do you think he's an X-Files The Last Stand guy, or a Logan guy, or what kind of X-File are we dealing with for him?
[01:27:01]  Do you think he goes for the X-File Days of Future Past?
[01:27:05]  Do you think he's that kind of...
[01:27:06]  I think his favorite X-File is Captain America.
[01:27:16]  There's a lot of guns in that, right?
[01:27:18]  That's true.
[01:27:18]  There are a lot of guns in that.
[01:27:19]  Yeah, that's my sense of it.
[01:27:20]  That's a gun one.
[01:27:22]  Yeah.
[01:27:23]  So we'll be back, Jordan.
[01:27:24]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:27:26]  We do have a website.
[01:27:27]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:27:28]  Yep.
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[01:27:42]  Yep.
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[01:27:48]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:27:49]  Thanks for holding.
[01:27:52]  Hello, Alex.
[01:27:53]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:27:53]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:27:54]  I love your work.