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March 23, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:28:29
#410: March 19-20, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the stretch of time when Alex Jones should have just gone on vacation. In this installment, Alex claims that at least six sci-fi movies are real and interviews Ted Nugent's wife as an expert about coronavirus.

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Main voices
a
alex jones
29:32
d
dan friesen
01:23:32
j
jordan holmes
24:59
Appearances
m
mike adams
01:01
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shemane nugent
01:25
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bill maher
00:10
g
gavin newsom
00:29
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Everybody is now, of course, working from home.
You and I both have been working from home for a long time now.
Do you have any tips for people?
dan friesen
No, I do it poorly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Nope, I got no tips.
I have absolutely no tips, but I do have to actually fuck this question because I really can't be all that helpful.
I don't do work from home well.
I'm very consumed with work.
jordan holmes
You've literally worked from home for three years now?
dan friesen
No, two years.
jordan holmes
Two years.
dan friesen
Something like that.
First year or so of the show, I was still unemployed.
But no, I don't really have any tips other than I think you should listen to someone else.
I think other people have better advice.
jordan holmes
That's my advice.
dan friesen
But I have a question for you.
unidentified
Sure!
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
My question for you.
Yes, sir.
Is, Jordan, what in this time has given you some bright spots?
What out there is like, what's a nice, you know, solid ray of sunshine in the period?
I'd like to, every episode, you and I...
jordan holmes
You want to try this one?
dan friesen
Give a little bit of like a positive, hey, this is something that has given me a little smile.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
I mean...
dan friesen
I can go first.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go for it.
You've been thinking about this.
dan friesen
Not a ton.
Something I'd like to give a shout out to is this snack called Popcorners.
It's a popcorn chip.
And their jalapeno cheddar flavor is perhaps one of the best things I've ever had in my life.
I bought like three bags.
If I'm hoarding anything, it's maybe the jalapeno cheddar popcorn chips.
Because I'm desperately afraid of running.
But to be fair, even in a non-crisis, I probably would be hoarding them.
jordan holmes
If we're in the end times, you're going to need some popcorn.
dan friesen
But even if we're not, I still want bags of it.
jordan holmes
Delicious.
dan friesen
I can't risk the store running out of popcorners.
jordan holmes
And they will.
They will.
You know they will.
People are stealing those right now.
dan friesen
I usually don't like popcorn-based chips, but these ones are good.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like it.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Mine?
Steven Universe Future.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
This is the last ten episodes of Steven Universe, which is an incredible show about a young boy who is also a crystal gem.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
And so on and so forth.
It's really heartfelt, and right now it is dealing with a narrative that is purely based on recovery from PTSD and finding yourself and doing all of these different things.
How he's dealing with it.
It's really, really good for right now, especially.
It's a really comforting thing.
Watch the entire series.
That's what I would recommend.
dan friesen
Great!
Grab yourself a bag of popcorners.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Watch some Steven Universe.
You got it.
dan friesen
Golden.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, this is a podcast where we're trying to give a little bit of a ray of sunshine, and I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I like to do the former, and I don't know anything about the latter.
dan friesen
So, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're looking at the end of last week, March 19th and 20th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
Goddammit.
And, you know, hey, some of it's going to be shitty.
jordan holmes
It is what it is.
dan friesen
Some of it's going to be stupid.
I questioned even the point of doing our show as normal for a large stretch since our last episode.
The idea of, in these circumstances, who would want to be listening to Alex Jones?
And the answer was, not me!
And I can't imagine most of the audience wanting to listen to him either.
It's a disaster.
I've gotten messages a bunch in the past from people.
Who've said things like, I don't know how you do it.
I don't know how you listen to him.
And usually it's not that impactful for me.
It's not that difficult to listen to him, but I'm finding in these circumstances...
jordan holmes
It's rough.
dan friesen
It's not ideal.
jordan holmes
Rough going.
dan friesen
Yes.
So I will take all those old sympathies that people sent me, and I'll apply them now, and I appreciate everyone's kind thoughts, because this shit sucks.
jordan holmes
Well, we all thank you, Dan.
If it weren't for you, we wouldn't be able to congregate here as we so have.
dan friesen
And to turn around and thank everybody else.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Particularly some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
So first, Elliot, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Elliot.
dan friesen
Next, Jacob, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Jacob.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jacob.
dan friesen
Next, Sweetie Honey, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Why, thank you, sweetie honey.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, James.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, James.
dan friesen
Next, Jason.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jason.
dan friesen
Next, Dave.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Dave.
unidentified
Thank you, Dave.
dan friesen
Next, DM Thompson 360.
Like Anderson Cooper 360.
unidentified
I gotcha.
dan friesen
But not quite the same.
jordan holmes
DM Thompson.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, DM Thompson 360.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say...
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
jordan holmes
This is...
dan friesen
Next, I'd like to say thank you to someone who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Caleb, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Caleb.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Caleb.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
I'd like to support these gents too.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
That'd be lovely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I want to give a little bit of a preamble to this episode.
I believe that as this public health crisis continues and things get worse and a little bit more...
Frightening and uncertain, I wanted to take a moment to address something that I've been wrestling with a little bit.
It's a thought that's kind of natural to come up in these sorts of circumstances, and that is, was Alex Jones right?
It can be difficult because I think it's very important to recognize in situations like this that even when some of Alex's vague predictions come true, he's still wrong.
There's an important dynamic to consider, and that is that Alex is an alarmist by nature.
He has to elicit very intense emotions of fear and anxiety from his audience in order to keep them in the fold.
So every world event is presented with an amplified level of intrigue, usually by painting everything as a globalist plot against him or his friends.
In this case, his alarmism feels warranted, you know, because what we see Yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because alarm!
dan friesen
Obviously, his show went way past the line in terms of being healthy alarmism, and it drifted deeply into Chicken Little, the sky is falling territory, which is the first major strike that I would have against him.
Alex's alarmism was also never pointed in any productive direction.
For instance, when he would talk about the low number of tests being done in the United States, his solution wasn't to push for increased testing.
He instead decided to yell about how he imagined the lack of testing was a globalist plot to embarrass Trump, and that it's actually good because Trump needs to keep the infection numbers artificially low to avoid a panic which would hurt him politically.
jordan holmes
And it worked out perfectly.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
The point that the government was making, the point they were making of failing in terms of testing is a fair one, but the conclusion that Alex arrives to because of that is ludicrous.
There were various things that he said that you can't really dispute have come to pass, but it's important to recognize what sorts of things those are.
There are two major categories of, let's call them predictions, that appear to have come true.
The first is completely obvious byproducts of things getting worse with the virus.
In this category, you have predictions like the stock market is going to go down.
By the point this was a main talking point for Alex, the city of Wuhan was already under a lockdown, so even if things didn't spread much past that point, it's a pretty safe bet that there would be some economic implications.
This is not the sort of prediction that you could really give someone a ton of credit for, and it's also important to recognize how this prediction was used.
Right, right, right.
Further, the idea that the globalists released the virus to try to attack the stock market to embarrass Trump is used to justify Trump's involvement in the delayed and bad response to the outbreak.
Trump didn't put out adequate numbers of tests because he knew that the virus was just the globalists trying to tank the economy and he knew that if the real numbers were out there, the public would panic and the market would fall.
jordan holmes
Let's remember, this is the good guy in Alex's story.
dan friesen
The not-all-that-impressive prediction that the market would be affected by an outbreak is ultimately repackaged into an imaginary motivation for the outbreak itself and then used to justify Trump's negligence in his response to it.
The other type of prediction that Alex is kind of right about is the things that he predicted which are actually the result of a negligent response.
One of the big early ones in this category is how Alex said that there would be an outbreak around Seattle, which did turn out to be correct.
This was a pessimistic prediction, but it wasn't an outlandish one given that there's already a confirmed case in the area.
If you're an alarmist, you will take that case and you will build on it, which is what Alex did.
It's important to recognize that Alex's behavior in this crisis isn't really all that out of the normal for him.
Back in 2014, he was saying that Obama was trying to bring Ebola into the country, but you forget about that hysteria because the situation was handled with appropriate intensity.
There was international cooperation and Obama took care of that shit.
Along with everybody else who was involved.
There are hundreds of examples like this, even outside the medical sphere.
Every time Alex yells at his audience after a shooting about all the guns being taken.
All the times he would prophesy a total collapse of the economy and a summer of rage back when he was primarily a gold pitch man.
or the many, many times Alex has said that the globalists are going to try to kill Trump within the next week.
Alex's business model largely relies on being wrong all the time, but insisting the audience forget about all those incorrect predictions and narratives and only focus on the stuff he was close to right about.
As the coronavirus situation gets worse, he's able to play the game where he can say that he was right and everyone called him wrong.
But it's important to recognize that even if he hits some of the points on this, he's still a liar and a fraud.
It's also crucial not to lose sight of the main elements of his conspiracy.
He believes that the Gates Foundation already has a treatment or vaccine for this, which is incorrect.
He's just lying about a group that the Gates have given some money to, the Pure Bright Institute, that has a patent for a completely unrelated coronavirus related to a vaccine for chickens.
He's asserted as fact that the virus is man-made, is tons of different viruses all lumped together, and has, quote, the HIV delivery system.
All of this is from a non-peer-reviewed study that was self-retracted by its authors after the methodology and conclusions began getting some review from their scientific peers, who found their work to be deeply flawed.
Alex still believes every exaggeration he's made about that study to be founded, proven, and true.
He believes without any evidence that the study was retracted because the authors were pressured by the globalists.
Alex has claimed that Lancet said the virus had a 15% mortality rate, which is not true.
The study only looked at a handful of patients who already had developed severe symptoms like pneumonia, and it's not something you can extrapolate to the general population.
Even Alex has explained that on air, indicating that he understands what the study was about, but he's not stopped from making the claim that Lancet said there was a 15% mortality rate.
That is him lying.
He believed and asserted his fact that the virus was stolen from a lab in Winnipeg, then sent to China.
This is not true.
So not true, in fact, that Alex later decided it was disinformation, since his dumb-dumb expert Francis Boyle came up with a better narrative.
That narrative was that the virus was created in a lab at UNC Chapel Hill.
This is not true.
This narrative was wholly based on the term gain-of-function, appearing in a study from UNC in 2015, as well as a recent study about the novel coronavirus.
The 2015 study had to do with a researcher giving a coronavirus a gain of function related to ACE2 cleavage.
Whereas the recent study was about the current virus, it was noting that the virus appeared to have a naturally occurring gain of function related to furin cleavage.
These are not the same thing at all, but a non-scientist had found the word gain of function in both studies, and that constitutes a closed case on Alex's show.
Alex has asserted it as fact, based on that study from 2015, that Obama sold the virus to China.
This is not true.
This is just a lie based on the fact that there was some Chinese funding that went into the study, which does not prove the sale of a virus.
And it can also be explained very easily.
Alex has asserted as fact, based on the headline that he found about that 2015 UNC study, that there was a big public debate about Obama selling the virus to China.
This was an article on the website The Scientist with the headline, quote, lab-made coronavirus triggers debate.
Alex has just decided that the debate the headlines referring to is whether or not Obama should have sold it to China, which is a complete fabrication.
He's just making that up.
It's a lie.
It's a very short article, and if you read it, it's clear that the debate is about whether gain-of-function studies themselves are ethical.
Alex has asserted as fact, and then walked back, and then re-embraced the idea that the coronavirus is a race-specific bioweapon targeting Asian military-aged men, possibly the deep state attacking China for fentanyl.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has no reason to believe this at all.
It's completely made up.
jordan holmes
Yes.
One theory he floated is that Trump is the reason this is happening in retaliation.
dan friesen
That was a short-lived theory.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But that was there.
dan friesen
There are plenty more examples but these are the very foundational lies and misinterpretations Alex has used to build up his central conspiracy.
This isn't saying anything about the shit he's allowed his guests to do.
He let Steve Pachanek claim that he was the first person in the United States to get the virus and he cured himself with antibiotics, even though antibiotics don't treat viruses.
He let Mike Adams lie about how mosquitoes transmit disease.
He supported callers making claims ranging from the virus is meant to kill off everyone on Social Security to don't pop air bubbles because the air in there is from China and could be infected.
jordan holmes
That one's true, though.
dan friesen
In high anxiety times, the work of alarmists and propagandists becomes more appealing, because we're all confused, and probably scared.
If you aren't paying close attention, the finer details of what Alex is doing fade into the background, and you just kind of remember him saying that the market was going to go down, and that martial law was going to come in.
Though there isn't really martial law at this point when we're recording, there are cities and states putting in place various quarantine measures, and it's hard not to feel like that's the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's a little martial law-y.
dan friesen
It's martial law-ish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's an-esque.
dan friesen
It's in the neighborhood.
jordan holmes
It's in the martial ballpark.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The issue, though, is that these things that Alex is right about were relatively avoidable consequences of decisions the president he supports made or failed to make.
If Obama had handled the Ebola outbreak in 2014 the way Trump has handled this outbreak, Alex probably would have looked a lot closer to right back then, too.
Anyway, my point is that whatever superficial things Alex has been kind of correct about are way, way overshadowed by the things he's been completely and glaringly wrong about, which happen to be the cornerstones of his conspiracy.
Anyway, I'm sorry about this big rant to begin the episode, but I really have this feeling of...
That being a question in my head.
And I want to stomp that question out.
Because he's not.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
And this is not like...
Even if he's...
Glombing on to some shit.
This is something that people...
Epidemiologists have been predicting an outbreak like this for 20 years.
dan friesen
But that can be part of the conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
But the point is not that he is right by any stretch.
jordan holmes
As long as you're paying attention to what professional experts are saying.
And then using that as kind of a basis for prediction, you'll probably be right often enough.
And then if you're a conspiracy theorist, you just say, it's part of the conspiracy.
dan friesen
But Alex didn't predict an outbreak.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He predicted natural consequences, such as the stock market going down, and then packaging it as the reason the virus is being released to begin with.
It's easy to, I don't know, I would want to call it missing the forest for the trees.
And think like, oh wait, he was kind of right.
He's not.
jordan holmes
And it's also a little bit like there's an arsonist in Chicago and he's like, don't worry about the arsonist and it starts burning down buildings.
He's like, okay, well eventually it's going to burn down buildings but you don't need to worry about it.
And then the great Chicago fire happens and he's like, there's going to be economic consequences for this.
And you're like, yeah dude, you helped get us here.
dan friesen
So we're going to get to today's episode.
We're going to start on the 19th but before we do, here's another context drop from today's show.
alex jones
By the way, you go to Cuba today, and the most beautiful women you can imagine will have sex with you for a $2 little tube of wormer.
dan friesen
How do you know that?
unidentified
Uh...
Message boards?
dan friesen
So, we start on the 19th, and it's actually kind of fitting, because Alex is going through his, you know, he really feels like he's proven that the Democrats and the left...
They're all cheering for the economy to collapse because they want to hurt Trump.
jordan holmes
We got it.
dan friesen
Which is sort of the justification for why he believes that the virus was released in order to destroy the economy.
Because the Democrats were wanting that because they want to hurt Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And, dude, it's so obvious.
And this is going to be a running theme throughout this episode.
It's all just Bill Maher.
alex jones
We're going to get into the public plan by the globalists.
You've seen the Democrats.
You've seen MSNBC, CNN.
You've seen Bill Maher.
You've seen them celebrate and say, we want a recession or depression to punish Trump voters and kill the U.S. economy, so we submit.
And it's worth it to take the hit.
Bill Maher just said that two weeks ago again.
And now you see our economy targeted.
dan friesen
It's all Bill Maher.
Alex is just mad at Bill Maher and pretending that everybody's saying exactly the same things as Bill Maher.
Ludicrous.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
And when you recognize that that's kind of the foundation for his belief or his justification for claiming that the Democrats wanted to destroy the economy to attack Trump, which is why they'd release the virus, it's like, stop watching Bill Maher.
jordan holmes
Just stop.
dan friesen
You don't have to watch it.
Or just do a podcast about Bill Maher.
jordan holmes
We do one about you.
Just do that, you asshole.
dan friesen
Stop pretending that it's something bigger than it is.
jordan holmes
That's such, though, a perfect encapsulation of why anybody's arguing like, oh, Bernie, people aren't ready to vote for a socialist.
It does not matter.
Does not matter.
Biden will be called a socialist ad nauseum.
dan friesen
Oh, undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
In the same way that we are called...
People who want the economy to collapse because Bill Maher said it.
It does not matter.
dan friesen
But it's also because there's a little bit of code with socialists for people like Alex.
And it's just anybody who supports social welfare programs.
Anybody who has any kind of idea that the state should do things basically is a socialist to them.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, you have them calling, like, Obama a socialist.
They're called John Kerry a socialist.
jordan holmes
Dictator John Kerry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They'll do that, and it's like, that doesn't make sense.
But in their very anti-communist Cold War holdover mentality, that is socialism to them.
And so, yeah, I guess, you know, that's the issue.
Whoever you put up, it doesn't matter.
That attack is going to come.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex has figured out that this is going to be not a short-lived situation in America.
jordan holmes
Just now dawning on him, huh?
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Let me lay a few things out here first.
jordan holmes
Oops.
alex jones
The real number that emerged about a week ago is now confirmed.
The government's looking at 18 months.
The EU first announced this last week.
18 months of lockdown.
So, see, first they tell you, oh, it's just two weeks.
It's also always two weeks, and then QAnon's going to bring down the deep state.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
Two weeks, and we'll see all the indictments happen.
That's been happening for, what, three years?
Well, same thing.
Oh, two weeks, you'll be allowed out of your houses.
But notice, every couple days, they announce more restrictions, more controls.
Until they get the depression they're looking for.
dan friesen
Hold on to that thought that Alex doesn't like QAnon for later.
Keep that in your back pocket.
So admittedly, I have no idea how long anything is going to actually last.
I have no predictive abilities on that front.
Even experts trying to predict that have difficulty because a whole lot of outcome is based on individual action.
And if people don't take this seriously, the time frame for things to get back to what you might call normal is going to extend.
And there's just almost...
You'll see these people who have models and they always have very different outcomes depending on different actions that are taken.
And even those are, you know, who knows.
The 18-month number that Alex is talking about is specifically related to the UK.
Boris Johnson had previously announced that their strategy was going to be trying to develop a herd immunity to the virus by people just going on living their lives, which epidemiologists roundly said was a very bad idea.
jordan holmes
I really think that we shouldn't elect lunatic reality TV show stars slash magazine commentators to our highest offices.
I think it's a bad idea.
dan friesen
It's not.
It's not productive.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's a good idea, Dan.
dan friesen
According to an article in Time, modeling of that strategy, of the herd immunity strategy, found that it would, quote, exceed healthcare systems' maximum capacities many times over.
So I thought that's what he was talking about, because there was an article about Boris Johnson having to be like, wow, this is going to take a long time.
But it's still not 18 months in lockdown.
This wave may last that extent of time.
So I thought that's what it was, but that's not where the 18-month number comes from.
That's the estimated time it will take to develop and get approval for a vaccine, at which point all the restrictions for social distancing and similar measures would not be necessary.
This is not a statement that anyone is going to be in lockdown for 18 months.
It's merely a reflection that we will need to have some sort of containment considerations probably until there's a vaccine.
And that's the estimated time frame for that.
jordan holmes
12 to 18 months, yeah.
dan friesen
It's also inaccurate to say that these things will only last a few weeks.
That's a slight misunderstanding of statements from health officials about the lengths of things like stay-at-home rules like we have here in Illinois, which lasts until April 7th.
There is a possibility that it'll extend after that.
Maybe.
Probably.
But that's the period where things can be reassessed and experts will know a little bit more at that point.
So when people are saying it'll last two weeks, they're not saying that, hey, we're all good in two weeks.
That's the period and then we'll reassess and know more from that point.
jordan holmes
It's them all trying to be like, can we please hit pause on this?
We're going to try and test everybody and get a full idea of where exactly we are and then we can move forward.
Instead of being like...
I guess we're just gonna go for it.
dan friesen
Let's see what happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, write it out.
Herd immunity?
Why not?
I wrote in a newspaper for a bit.
dan friesen
It's probably pessimistic to assume that social distancing measures will last 18 months, but it's also probably naive to assume it'll only last two weeks.
It's probably a good idea to expect worse than the best case scenario, but if people take this seriously and we get lucky on the medical side of things, the worst case scenario doesn't have to come to pass either.
The other thing that this is based on is a post on Michael Snyder's economic collapse blog, which Alex has reposted on Infowars, titled, quote, The U.S. government is preparing for an 18-month pandemic and critical shortages.
The sub-headline is, quote, Are you prepared for the nationwide shutdown that's happening now to last 18 months?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This blog post is based on a 103-page Health and Human Services document that the New York Times released, titled, U.S. Government COVID-19 Response Plan.
The only place in this document that 18 months comes up is in the section that lists the assumptions that this plan was based on.
And number two is, quote, a pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.
It would be important to also point out that assumption number three is, quote, the spread and severity of COVID-19 will be difficult to forecast and characterize.
So that's even kind of a caveat to assumption number two.
This is a document that's primarily about government agency responsibility for various considerations.
It's an organizational document more than anything else, and I think it would be a real stretch to assume that you can take this document to prove that even the government is planning for an 18-month lockdown.
The thing that's important to remember is that this 18-month number is an assumption of how long the pandemic may have an effect on the country that requires a plan, but that doesn't mean the same thing as there's going to be a year and a half lockdown.
One key point is that this is a full plan, and it involves a stage after the active pandemic in its timeline.
The phase where it would be returning to what they call a quote, pre-epidemic posture.
That's part of the 18-month lifespan of whatever they're assuming.
This doesn't say that there will be an 18-month lockdown.
And in fact, one of the most critical considerations of the document is, quote, revisions in the scenarios, modeling, and projections used to inform planning, and consequent changes in planning should be made to accommodate changes in knowledge about COVID-19 characteristics affecting the parameters used for this modeling.
So even this plan says, this could change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We will have to revise these scenarios as more information comes in.
jordan holmes
We don't know the future.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so using that to be like, ah, you're going to be locked in your home for 18 months is hysterical, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, that's not fair.
Neither is how Alex has sold his food buckets.
jordan holmes
Okay, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is feeling a little bit defensive about that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
About his behavior vis-a-vis sales.
And so he gets into that a little bit in this next clip.
alex jones
The truck drivers are still delivering, but most people in the warehouses have panicked, put their tail between their legs, and run home, not understanding you're going to get a big, giant Great Depression now.
jordan holmes
Take that.
alex jones
And if it really collapses, millions will starve to death.
Seven million major universities, look it up, starve to death during the Great Depression in the United States.
Cause death malnutrition.
dan friesen
So this is a little weird.
This is in the middle of a discussion about Alex's food buckets that kind of feels like a sales pitch, but he's also saying that my Patriot Supply has stopped taking new orders.
I'm not sure if that's true, because according to their website, I just checked it, in an update from March 20th, they're still taking orders.
There's a 12-week delivery window.
I'm not sure what the situation is here.
Maybe they've said, Alex, you're not taking orders.
jordan holmes
We don't want to be associated with Alex right now.
dan friesen
I don't think that.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
I think that maybe it's like we can't handle the load from all of our affiliates, because they do sell through tons of right-wing media figures.
So it might just be a thing where it's like, we're not taking...
Discounted orders from our affiliates anymore.
We're only taking direct orders.
jordan holmes
We're not going to give them a cut.
We're going to do our own thing.
dan friesen
We have a demand that's high enough that we don't need this right now.
Yeah, absolutely.
But again, that's just a guess.
I don't know that to be the case, but I do know that their website is still taking orders.
This really just feels like, you know, because he's saying that they're not taking orders anymore, it doesn't feel like a sales pitch.
Because it can't be.
You don't have anything to sell.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have anything.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It just feels defensive.
So that's why he's talking about the...
jordan holmes
How dare you?
Seven million people died last time, huh?
Do you want to be one of those people?
No, I'm not a bad person for obviously exploiting this crisis that I didn't know was this bad until pretty much right fucking now, and now I feel bad about it.
dan friesen
So we've heard Alex talk about that in the past, how millions starved to death during the Great Depression, and we've discussed how it's absolutely not true.
He keeps bringing it up, though, and in this case, it's in the context of talking about his food bucket, so I was a little curious about this claim and where it comes from.
The one thing you can be certain of is anytime Alex says something comes from quote major universities, it does not come from major universities.
It turns out that this stat traces back to research done in 2008 by a Russian gentleman named Boris Borisov.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound real.
dan friesen
I know.
But it is.
jordan holmes
Boris Borisman?
dan friesen
That is the guy's name.
jordan holmes
Alright, okay.
dan friesen
And this research was widely covered in outlets like Pravda and RT, but it didn't get a ton of traction outside of those places, most likely because his work was very flawed.
Demographers have looked at his assumptions and found that the research is just not good.
His basic point is that if you review census data, there are about 7 million people unaccounted for during the Great Depression, and therefore they must have all starved to death.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Leaving aside how that's a gigantic leap to make, and it's unclear if 7 million are even unaccounted for during that period, there's a ton of other explanations for the demographic numbers, like people not filling out censuses during the Great Depression, or mass relocation caused by things like the Dust Bowl.
Without minimizing the hardships of people living in the Depression era, there's just no good evidence that 7 million people died of starvation.
And that raises the question, what's behind this claim that Borisov is making?
It's pretty explicit in that Pravda article that the intention here was to frame the Great Depression as America's holodomor.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
The goal is whitewashing the USSR's man-made famine in Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Okay, sure, millions of people starved to death, but America did it.
See?
We're not bad guys.
Everybody was starving people for fun.
That was a normal thing.
Mao, he was doing it.
unidentified
Everybody loved it.
dan friesen
The Hall of Demore is way too complicated for us to get into on this episode, but this is super weird for Alex.
He is a huge anti-communist, anti-USSR guy.
His entire worldview has grown out of the red-baiting hardliners during and after the Cold War, so it seems very out of sync for him to be citing a statistic about US deaths during the Great Depression that was more or less produced as a propaganda narrative to minimize the case of the USSR causing a famine that killed millions.
This is an instance where the message of the erroneous stat That 7 million US citizens starved in the Great Depression is more important than the context of where that stat comes from.
It's because Alex is selling these food buckets, and the erroneous stat helps him further and justify that goal.
So who cares if it comes from a pro-USSR, anti-USA piece of propaganda?
jordan holmes
This is nuts!
It is really, like, we are in a...
Like, the abyss-looking-back kind of period of right-wing history.
You know, all of these guys are born from a blatant anti-communist lunatic mill, but because the only people now who agree with them in terms of propaganda output are those former communist people, they have to become strange men.
It's just like a...
Radical Christians agree more with radical Islam than they do with anything else.
The strange times make strange bedfellows kind of situation there.
Or you become what you hate the most.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
It's just weird to me.
Alex wants to sell more than he cares about these principles of hating the USSR.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
Come on.
dan friesen
You would think if you find this article about 7 million Americans dying of starvation during the Great Depression, you would maybe look into it.
And then you'd be like, huh, that's not true.
Why is this person making this claim?
Like I did.
Alex did none of that.
He's just like, yep, Boris Borisov sounds great.
I'm going to pretend I saw that from a major university.
And we are going with it.
He is a dumb asshole.
So, there's a thing that's going on that I think is really good and appropriate.
And that is that certain states are taking moves to release people from prison during this coronavirus outbreak because overcrowding in prisons will be very detrimental to people's health.
It could end up in a very bad situation.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's an incubator.
We should release them from prison.
dan friesen
I mean, we should do a lot of that anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, even if you don't...
Want to.
Even if you have no interest in the...
A good part of it, just out of pure self-interest.
If you do not release people from prisons and you keep them in an overcrowded space, the virus is going to get in there and go fucking hog wild.
And then it's going to get out.
dan friesen
Or at least you're creating a circumstance where that is likely or more possible than it would be.
So Alex is mad about that and he lies about it a little bit and then he lies about some other stuff.
alex jones
It was hundreds yesterday.
LA's now released thousands.
Since two days ago, it's now thousands today.
There's an article from yesterday saying hundreds.
But don't worry, I have all the stacks of articles right here that if you get caught in France trying to go out and even walk your dog, you're going to jail.
Oh, they're letting the Islamics out and they're letting the child molesters out, but they want you, the producer, to know we own your ass.
dan friesen
Hey, whites!
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
That's the message there.
jordan holmes
Dog walkers!
Get in there!
dan friesen
So, in France, you can still walk your dog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The government website literally lists the acceptable reasons to leave your home, and one of them is, quote, for short trips close to your home linked to physical individual activity and for the needs of domestic pets.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there you go.
dan friesen
They've put in a system where you need to fill out a form to have in your possession in case you're out and you're stopped by a patrolling officer, which I'm not super thrilled with, but I kind of understand.
jordan holmes
I don't like a hall pass.
dan friesen
I don't know this for certain, but I have to think that if you're out walking your dog, even if you don't have one of those forms, you're probably just going to get a warning.
Either way, France isn't putting people in jail for violating the quarantine guidelines.
There's just a fine of 135 euros.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
Silence is lying.
jordan holmes
We have all of these people that we need to keep separated, so if one of them gets out, we need to put them with a whole bunch of other people!
This makes perfect sense!
dan friesen
Right.
That's a problem of the thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As to the issue of California releasing prisoners, I can't find any evidence that the prisoners being released are the ones who are convicted of violent crimes.
And from what I can tell, it's mostly people who had pretty short times left on their sentences to begin with.
Prison overcrowding is a very serious issue, particularly in a public health crisis.
Anything that can be done to minimize the risk that incarcerated persons face is something that should be considered.
Does that mean releasing all murderers?
Not necessarily, but it does mean possibly releasing nonviolent drug offenders so there's appropriate space to house the violent offenders in the prison setting responsibly.
From everything I can tell from the articles I've read, that's basically what's happening.
For someone like Alex, who allegedly is opposed to people being in jail for drugs and likes to pretend he's a fucking libertarian, it should be a good thing.
But it's not, because he wants to try and turn it into a wedge thing where they're letting the Islamicists, all the immigrants, they're letting them run wild, but you, the producers, they're going to jam you up.
jordan holmes
You know, producers do have one, like...
In his mind, physical characteristic in common.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I would say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He talks about that a little bit more here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The illegal aliens and Islamic invaders, they're just burning things, running around, raping, laughing, control whole areas of cities, no-go zones.
That's all fine and dandy for them.
But all the compliant good slaves are being nailed to the wall.
So I'm going to tell you again, we have a big supply of a lot of our supplements.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
You motherfucker.
Wow.
unidentified
You would think that that behavior would go away in a crisis.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Nope.
Motherfucker.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How can you be defensive about food sales and then all of a sudden be like, well, yeah, obviously we need to get rid of all illegal aliens and immigrants and Muslims.
And you should buy pills, too.
Just so you know.
We need to get rid of all the immigrants, but you should buy pills.
dan friesen
It's a bit much.
That's brutal.
jordan holmes
That's brutal.
That is really fucking scary.
dan friesen
From my position, anybody who has any concerns about Alex really being on the up and up and being right about stuff, go check on that behavior and come back and talk to me.
So Alex on this episode is mostly on the martial law is coming.
It's here.
Tip.
There's not a whole lot of evolution in terms of narratives about the virus, because a lot of that's pretty solidified.
Like, it was made in that lab at UNC Chapel Hill.
Obama sold it to China.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Bioweapon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
dan friesen
But now he needs to build from there.
And, you know, this is a very obvious development, and that is that Bill Gates is the big bad guy.
He's the villain behind all of this.
No, certainly not.
So Alex gets into that a little bit here.
alex jones
So here is just a short sampling.
Bill Gates, who headed up the UN Disease X operation, saying this mystery thing's coming in a few years.
Get ready.
World government will save you.
Then he did a tabletop exercise in November where 65 million died from a coronavirus.
They rolled a 20. He's got the patented vaccine ingredient.
I mean, they've got the vaccine ready.
Then they have all these TV shows that he finances about how he's a hero creating a vaccine to stop a world pandemic.
And out of China, we get the bird flu, the swine flu, and now this.
jordan holmes
The wine flu.
alex jones
And SARS.
Four of the big pandemics all from China.
dan friesen
All that stuff about Bill Gates is nonsense, and it's stuff we've gone over in the past, but I wanted to check in real quick with Alex's claim there at the end that all these diseases come out of China.
jordan holmes
I really don't think they do, Dan.
dan friesen
So, the bird flu is not one specific disease.
There are a lot of avian influenzas, but obviously the one Alex is talking about is H5N1.
Interestingly, the first case of human H5N1 was found in Hong Kong, which, according to Alex's stated policy set, he doesn't believe that's part of China.
But that's on the cusp.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He would call that China for the purposes of this argument.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic was one that had a more...
At the time, it had a pretty openly debated origin.
People weren't entirely clear.
In 2016, researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai demonstrated through genetic analysis that that virus traced back to central Mexico.
SARS and the current outbreak are fair to say that they started in China, but using that information in any context outside of epidemiology sounds kind of pointless.
Alex doesn't really know anything about this topic, as evidenced by his claim that all these outbreaks originated in China.
He's just trying to play the game of assigning blame to his chosen target, in this case, China, Bill Gates.
Also, if he's saying that these are the four big pandemics, then what about Zika and MERS?
Or what about Ebola?
He did a whole lot of Ebola coverage in his day, so it's weird to see that left off his list.
jordan holmes
You don't need to worry about that one.
dan friesen
It doesn't comport with today's narrative, so it doesn't exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't.
I cannot.
It just, it's so stupid.
Like, unless China literally made it, which they didn't, then you can't, it doesn't matter where it originates.
Viruses can exist and explode from literally anywhere.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
They're old.
They're older than us.
dan friesen
There's an element of randomness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you might as well blame Earth.
Or not even that.
Fucking space.
Viruses are just part of the game.
dan friesen
I'm down with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it's space's fault.
dan friesen
That's why we need a space force.
jordan holmes
It's entirely possible viruses seeded all life on this planet, though.
dan friesen
Trump is trying to create space force.
Not in order to fight in space, but to fight space.
jordan holmes
To fight space itself.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
We gotta find that dark matter somehow.
Smoke it out!
dan friesen
So on this show, this is the 19th.
This is Thursday.
Alex has a big interview coming up on Friday.
And I want you to try and guess who you think the guest is.
jordan holmes
Big interview on Friday.
dan friesen
Big interview.
jordan holmes
Big interview.
dan friesen
He doesn't usually promote the next day's interview in advance.
And he does it multiple times on this episode.
So who do you think it is?
jordan holmes
It's got to be disappointing.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
I'm either going to go Nick Fuentes or our big boy Stevie Pease.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
We have a special guest on tomorrow, Shemaine Nugent, a very smart lady.
I've gotten to know her and Ted Nugent pretty good over the years.
And she's a lot, in her words, bolder than she used to be.
She's willing to really let it all hang out.
And so this is an interview you don't want to miss tomorrow at high noon.
We're going to talk coronavirus, the Q movement.
Ted Nugent.
dan friesen
He's going to have Ted Nugent's wife on to talk coronavirus.
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
What does she do?
dan friesen
She writes books.
Some of them about being married to Ted Nugent.
unidentified
There we go.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So that makes her well situated to talk about the coronavirus situation.
dan friesen
I think she's a Zumba instructor.
We'll get into her when she shows up.
jordan holmes
So she's a super spreader.
Is that what she's talking about here?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think her and Ted live in the woods.
We'll get to that whenever she shows up on the show.
But that's just...
It's so ludicrous to me, the idea...
jordan holmes
We got a big interview.
We got Ted Nugent's wife.
dan friesen
So like I said, this is going to be...
She's in high demand.
Certainly.
There is a theme that runs through this, like I said, that when Alex talks about the bringing down of the economy, it's just Bill Maher.
alex jones
Sickening people.
Because they're not just trying to blame Trump with this and kill the economy as they said they would do to bring down Trump and to teach Americans, as Bill Maher said, to roll over and bow down.
It's such authoritarians.
jordan holmes
I don't like Bill Maher!
alex jones
Shorting the market.
dan friesen
So, you can see in that clip, again, the only reference Alex can ever make when he talks about the plan to bring down the economy to get rid of Trump is something Bill Maher said on HBO.
Alex wants you to believe that there's an elaborate globalist conspiracy afoot, but weirdly...
The only proof is something that Bill Maher said.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
So last week, there were a lot of stories that came out about people in Congress selling off stock, weirdly, right after they got a briefing about the coronavirus situation.
jordan holmes
That was such a really interesting coincidence that happened.
I feel bad for them because this looks so bad.
I'm sure this was entirely innocent to you.
They need to prove their good names.
dan friesen
According to The Hill, Republicans' Kelly Loeffler...
James Inhofe and Richard Burr, as well as Democrat Dianne Feinstein, quote, each sold hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock within days of the Senate holding a classified briefing on January 24th with Trump administration officials on the threat of the coronavirus outbreak.
jordan holmes
Newsflash!
Four of the worst people in the world do the worst thing in the world!
dan friesen
Everyone's got an excuse, but I'm not sure anyone cares.
I don't know what the government should do about these individual cases, but it's probably time to ban elected officials from having stocks.
The inherent conflict of interest is just something we apparently can't trust people to handle responsibly when they're supposed to be acting in the public interest.
I thought that's what Alex was talking about when he said people are shorting.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
There's no way that he would criticize a noted monster Senator Inhofe.
dan friesen
What these congresspeople did was sell stock, presumably based on non-public information, which might be accurately called insider trading.
But that's not the same thing as short selling.
Short selling is a super risky market play that goes like this.
You have a hunch that a business's stock is going to drop in price.
So you borrow stocks from someone willing to lend them to you.
Then you immediately sell them with the expectation that you can buy them back later for a substantially lower price.
At that point, you can return the stocks to the lender and pocket the profits.
You theoretically make a lot of money without any initial investment.
The downside is that if your hunch is wrong and the stocks increase in value after you sell them, you're on the hook to buy them back for an increased price so you can return them to the lender.
jordan holmes
It's gambling.
It's literally gambling.
Our economy is built almost entirely upon gambling.
dan friesen
The bulk of markets.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I know.
But if you, for instance, know that there's a housing bubble, then you're going to get very, very, very rich while the world explodes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because of this potential gigantic downside, most people don't advise anyone to fuck around with stuff like short selling.
As Market Watch explains, if you buy stocks normally, the most you can lose is 100% of your money.
Conversely, with short selling, the amount you lose is literally limitless.
You could lose any amount of money.
Alex is not talking about these congresspeople when he's talking about short-selling, but because there is a story that's going to be coming up about it, I wanted to explain what short-selling was before we get to that.
jordan holmes
It's real fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not great.
But also, I don't know.
I don't know my entire feeling on banning it.
I read some articles that say it's a good idea.
I read some articles that said it's stupid.
There's no need to ban it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not a market expert.
Don't take any advice from me.
So here's where Alex gets more into this, and he's talking about this short-selling conspiracy that he's found.
alex jones
Well, what they don't tell you when they're all up there manipulating the market on television is that they're shorting it, and they started shorting it 10 weeks ago, and I went and looked it up.
And they said a depression is going to stop Trump.
If I played all the clips, we would take the rest of the hour up.
But I do have someone to play next hour.
Bill Maher and CNN and MSNBC and PBS.
jordan holmes
I hate Bill Maher!
alex jones
All saying, we're going to plunge the economy to get Trump.
Wow!
dan friesen
So I know that he says that he has all these clips and he can't play them because it'll take the rest of the hour, but as I've listened to his show, I've never heard a compelling clip that he's played that indicates that anyone is saying that we would like the market to go down to hurt Trump, except Bill Maher.
He's the only fucking person.
So he's talking about...
jordan holmes
That's because he's so fucking edgy, Dan.
He's so edgy.
dan friesen
And because he's the mouthpiece of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Officially.
jordan holmes
He's a dick.
dan friesen
So that clip he was talking about someone being on TV and trying to cause the market to go down because they had been short-selling.
And he doesn't make clear who he's talking about until this next clip.
alex jones
But I'll tell you the good news.
When I saw this video yesterday up on Infowars.com, the Paul Joseph Watson article...
I knew who the guy was already, and he's a villain.
And connected to Soros.
And then I went and looked him up, and I went to the YouTube of the video of him.
jordan holmes
The YouTube?
alex jones
On national television, on CNBC.
And almost every commenter was, this is the guy that bought up that drug company and increased prices 5,000%.
This is the guy that is constantly doing insider stuff and shorting things and trying to bring down U.S. companies.
He calls himself an activist investor.
And what he works to do...
Is go after nationalist and conservative operations.
Oh, but he's a Harvard alum, so he's part of the Harvard mafia, so they call him an activist investor.
dan friesen
So apparently he's talking about this guy Bill Ackman, who had just done a fairly strange and possibly alarming segment on CNBC where he'd advocated Trump call for a 30-day nationwide shutdown of the economy.
I think his quote was something along the lines of, like, capitalism can't work with an 18-month shutdown, but it can survive a 30-day complete lockdown or whatever.
That's basically his position.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He had some very doom-laden predictions, but he also said that he was buying stock, which led to a lot of people accusing him of having short positions.
As Business Insider put it, there were accusations, quote, that he was trying to scare investors into selling so he could buy at a discount or profit from short bets.
Beyond those accusations, I don't see any proof being provided that he actually did have those short positions.
It's just something that people were saying.
Also, Ackman is not involved with Soros in any meaningful way, beyond them both being hedge fund billionaires.
Most of the articles you can find about the two of them are about how they have opposite positions on some company over time.
Ackman also doesn't hate Trump.
A Vanity Affair article from November 2016 says, quote, Bill Ackman looks at President Trump and likes what he sees.
A Fortune article from the same time, quote, Bill Ackman says he's bullish on Trump.
In his comments about how the economy should shut down for a month to save itself, he was even complimentary toward Trump, saying that if he could navigate this crisis, he could be re-elected in November.
He is not an anti-Trump guy.
I don't know what Alex is doing here.
jordan holmes
You just pick him.
Just pick one.
You can pick any billionaire.
They're all acting evil as shit right now.
I would believe half of anything.
dan friesen
Also, he isn't the guy who bought that drug company increased prices 5,000%.
That was Martin Shkreli, who's currently in prison.
jordan holmes
And he should not be let out.
dan friesen
Ackman's hedge fund had invested in a company called Valiant, eventually leading to approximately them having control of 10% of the shares.
And that company has had some drug price gouging issues.
In 2017, Ackman sold off all his shares in Valiant and in the process lost $4 billion.
He would go on to apologize for the investment in the company, but mostly for losing his investors money, not for the price gouging, because he wasn't the person who made that decision.
So anyway, Alex doesn't really know anything about this guy, but he, I guess, is a villain now.
So Alex claims, without providing any evidence, any proof, that Bill Ackman is shorting key industries in the United States.
jordan holmes
Key industries.
alex jones
And then you find out he's shorting all these key industries, and he knows if Trump orders...
jordan holmes
Our doors are too locked!
alex jones
They will then go down to close to zero, and then he will buy them up.
And then turn the lights back on, just like Rothschild did when they beat Napoleon.
Rothschild had a fast ship go across.
jordan holmes
There it is.
alex jones
With the message that Lord Wellington had defeated Napoleon in the Second War.
They then had a fast Corvette, not a car, a fast ship, race across and tell the stock market, Lord Wellington's been destroyed!
The British Army's down!
We are now vanquished by Napoleon!
Stock market went to 1%.
And Lord Rothschild became the richest man on earth and controlled the British Empire.
That's on record.
That's in mainline history.
And the same thing's happening again today.
So, billionaire Bill Ackerman.
dan friesen
So, this story about Nathan Rothschild is not true.
It's not in mainline history because it's a fake story that's been used as a key element of anti-Semitic propaganda for decades.
jordan holmes
Alright, well there is that.
dan friesen
We covered this in extended detail in our endgame coverage, but the basic element of this is that the story gained popularity first in 1846 when it was told in a pamphlet signed by a person calling themselves Satan.
It was actually written by a very public anti-Semitic named George Dainville.
jordan holmes
I thought it was Boris Borisov for a second, but okay.
dan friesen
The story is directly contradicted by historical evidence, but the narrative caught on anyway, and you can find it popping up all over the place in dicey settings, like the 1940 Nazi propaganda film The Rothschild Shares at Waterloo.
This is pure and simple, no two ways about it, an anti-Semitic piece of historical fiction.
Anybody who repeats this line is either someone pushing it knowing fully well that it's bogus, or they're the sort of person who would uncritically accept narratives that find a good fit in Nazi wartime propaganda.
I have no idea if Ackman is short-selling any industries, and Alex has provided no proof of it on this show.
I would suspect that he's probably not, seeing as on April 16th, 2019, he announced that he and his hedge fund, Pershing Square, had, quote, for sworn short-selling.
Maybe he was lying, though.
I don't know.
And Alex doesn't either.
So, Alex talks more about this.
They said they're going to break down the economy!
jordan holmes
That's what they said!
alex jones
They're killing the economy by design, and if you remember...
Democrats, MSNBC, CNN, HBO host, like Bill Maher, they've all come out and said over and over and over again that they were going to plunge the economy, that it was worth it to stop Donald Trump.
dan friesen
I thought that went longer.
I mean, it's just Bill Maher.
I hate to sound like a dead horse, or I'm beating a dead horse, but it is all he's got.
jordan holmes
Some asshole says it, and now he gets to scream about how CNN and NBC and all of that shit.
dan friesen
I would like to be fair to Alex, so I am going to play the full compilation of clips that he plays on his show of proving this claim.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Pay attention to how much fucking Bill Maher is in this compilation.
alex jones
Here's a short compilation, just a sampling of their revelatory behavior against...
jordan holmes
All of you.
alex jones
Here it is.
unidentified
A woman asked me, do you think we're going to have a recession?
And I said, well, I'd never say never.
But I said, I think the economy is pretty fundamentally strong.
And I don't see one on the horizon.
And the people kind of grimaced when I said that.
And one woman said, I want a recession because that will help get rid of Donald Trump.
And I think most liberals won't admit that.
But when you see what's happened with the media coverage of the economy, Martha, over the last 10 to 14 days, the new R word isn't racism.
I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point.
mike adams
And by the way, I'm hoping for it.
unidentified
Because I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy.
So please, bring on the recession.
But as far as the winning economy that the president needs from now until November, do you really see that changing?
Well, I'll give you two examples.
2008, at this time, nobody thought we would have a global financial crisis right on our shores.
And that's the thing that really sunk John McCain's candidacy then.
Think about 2008.
You know what happened in Q4 2018?
The stock market fell 20%.
You know what also happened?
The Dems took back the house in that period.
So if the stock market were to tumble this year, if we don't get near the 3% GDP growth that this administration has been talking about for years, these are all things that Dems can run on, and they pose a problem.
bill maher
All right, Josh, isn't the Fed cutting rates now just going to make the next economic downturn worse?
mike adams
What's your prediction?
I've been...
I'm hoping for a recession.
unidentified
People hate me for it, but it would get rid of Trump, so you shouldn't hate me for it.
bill maher
They said we would see the global economy entering a recession in three quarters.
Perfect timing, I say.
mike adams
I mean, I've been rooting for a recession.
Sean Hannity says I'm able for that, and I'm bringing it on.
Sean, if you're watching, I'm not a genie.
I can't make it happen.
I'm just wishing it.
unidentified
If it happens, it'll be because of your lord and savior, Donald J. Trump.
A recession is a survival threat.
What Trump is doing to this country is not.
His trade policy with China.
First thoughts, second thoughts.
dan friesen
So almost that entire compilation is clips of Bill Maher.
One of them is just a pundit saying that Democrats can run on economic issues if the stock market is bad, which is a little shy of rooting for the market to collapse to hurt Trump.
It's just kind of a political fact.
jordan holmes
But that also means that if the economy does well, then Trump can run on that.
dan friesen
I'm sure they would say that as well.
jordan holmes
So that kind of cancels out the whole, we're rooting for it.
dan friesen
That's even part of the conversation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
dan friesen
It's a very implicit part of the statement.
The only clip in there, other than Bill Maher, that's questionable at all is the first one.
That was from an interview that took place in August 2019 on Fox News.
The person speaking is Stephen Moore, who is an economic advisor to Trump, a writer for the Heritage Foundation, and author of a book called Trumponomics.
jordan holmes
He's a great guy.
dan friesen
Hardly a source I would consider unbiased.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That's a hard and fast scientist right there.
dan friesen
Somebody who Trump actually nominated or was going to nominate to be on the Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So interestingly, that interview begins with a clip of Bill Maher.
And the whole premise of the...
This was one in a series of interviews that followed that same theme that Stephen Moore did, all based on an essay that he had written about Democrats rooting for a recession.
It was posted on the Heritage Foundation's website.
Interestingly, that article begins, quote, last week I gave a talk to high-wealth investors in San Francisco, not exactly an audience of left-wing activists.
That's where he runs into this woman who wanted a recession to get rid of Trump.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if I buy this apocryphal story from one of Trump's advisors about how Trump's opposition wants to destroy the economy to hurt Trump.
Seems like bullshit.
jordan holmes
Sure, well, there is that.
dan friesen
That's all this is.
Alex is mad at Bill Maher.
He's pretending that things Maher says with a uniform position to the left.
He's so pathetic.
jordan holmes
This is sad.
These people are stupid.
dan friesen
I'm mad.
Now, let's have a little fun.
Because that's how Alex goes out to break.
And then he comes back from break.
You know, it's fun when he sings over country music.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
It's fun when he goes over the sax and you belong to the city.
jordan holmes
Amazing!
dan friesen
This is so weird.
He tries to hip-talk.
jordan holmes
He's Shatnering?
dan friesen
Mic down.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Yet you didn't know.
unidentified
That's how they roll.
alex jones
And they've got the vaccine ready, but they got to do the trials first.
Bill Gates owns that.
And did the tabletop exercise four months ago worth 65 million died from the coronavirus.
Obama transferred the virus in 2015 under big protest to, you guessed it, the Woonan Bioweapons Lab.
They're getting busy.
They're getting busy.
I guess you didn't know.
dan friesen
Ugh.
jordan holmes
Right about now, the Funk's your brother.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Check it out now.
dan friesen
What a dork.
jordan holmes
The Funk's soul, brother.
dan friesen
That guy's the worst.
I guess you didn't know.
jordan holmes
I guess you didn't know.
God, that's so bad.
dan friesen
He's got to be sitting there thinking like, I am fucking the coolest.
I can adapt to any musical genre.
jordan holmes
People think what rappers do is hard.
Look at this shit.
He crushed it.
unidentified
My name is Alex and I'm here to say I like to scare you in a coronavirus way.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Done.
Done.
So, in this next clip, Alex reveals a shocking lack of knowledge about basic information about the situation in America.
alex jones
All of that craziness?
The flu kills about 150 people a day if you average it out over a year in the United States alone.
How many have died in the United States?
Is it even 100?
Let's look that up.
jordan holmes
You should have known that.
dan friesen
So on the 19th, which is when this episode was recorded, there were 207 deaths in the United States related to coronavirus.
For someone like Alex to be behaving the way he is on air, it's deeply disgraceful for him to not be aware of basic information about the topic.
For some context, on March 7th, there were 233 total deaths related to coronavirus in Italy.
By March 20th, there had been over 4,000.
That's a two-week progression, and that's what we don't want to see here.
Alex is the anti-martial law guy, except for the many times he says he wants Trump to enact martial law.
So when he sees severe measures being taken to stop a pandemic, it's kind of on brand for him to be against those measures and minimize everything.
And that mentality, if pervasive enough, will impede our country's ability to deal with this outbreak.
Simply put, if you listen to Alex, you'll have a lot of food and silver in your home.
But you'll be looking at a situation like Italy in the near future, most likely, if you don't take this seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're saying the UK is showing that same progression right now, that same two-week double after double after double.
dan friesen
The goal is, you know, what they keep saying, flatten the curve.
Make things manageable in a way that it doesn't become a complete disaster.
Alex is not in favor of that.
alex jones
And, of course, the answer is, well, the bell curve.
The answer is not the bell curve.
jordan holmes
The answer is never the bell curve.
alex jones
Space it out.
They're saying, oh, you're all still going to get it.
That's why we made it.
But we're going to space it out over 18 months.
And, of course, you know, once you've lived with having to have your papers go outside your house and drones barking orders at you for 18 months, you're never going back.
Never going back.
Never coming back.
Just like the UN said, world government needs a bioweapon or a new plague to get the public to accept surveillance and control and forced inoculation and gun confiscation.
So we better start having a discussion about that.
But I know that's a thing that's happening.
dan friesen
So I think this is a good time to point out a real problem with what I'm feeling right now, which is pretty well suggested by that clip.
Alex is saying that once you go into lockdown-type situations, you never go back.
This is, in essence, the beginning of the tyranny that he's long foretold, if you believe what he's saying.
And that's a problem, because if I know anything at all, it's that Alex recommends fighting against that tyranny.
So what form would that take?
Would it involve people not self-isolating in a milder expression of this mentality?
That would be damaging and it could get a lot of people hurt.
But what's far more scary is if you believe what Alex is saying, it's time to kill people.
What possible scenario is there that's more time to act than now?
If you believe that this is a globalist plot to bring in martial law that will never go away and kill freedom.
This is a gigantic problem for Alex's rhetoric.
His rhetoric relies on escalation.
I don't know what is.
It's really fucked up.
He's trapped in an extremist bubble right now.
I don't know how...
You can't de-escalate this while the crisis is still going.
And he's already shot his wad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
It does seem like you really should have called for armed insurrection later on.
He's already taken us to that place.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if he has explicitly, but implicitly, based on his rhetoric, A then B, B then C, A then C. It's a very simple equation of the things that he preaches.
It's trouble.
jordan holmes
He's literally given a, like, okay, if these things start to happen, then we have to start the hot war.
And those things have started to happen.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So, what's he going to say?
Whoops, my bad.
dan friesen
Buy my pills.
That's what he's going to say.
jordan holmes
I meant we should do it on the next pandemic, and while you're waiting this one out...
You're going to need some DNA force, buddy.
dan friesen
Buy my shit.
jordan holmes
You're going to need some DNA force.
dan friesen
Speaking of Alex's sales...
jordan holmes
How are they doing?
dan friesen
Well, you know, he got that letter from the New York Attorney General telling him to cease and desist on the silver.
jordan holmes
He did read it correctly, too.
dan friesen
And he pretends that he won that battle.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know, you saw all those big national headlines last week about Alex Jones selling fake coronavirus cures.
Never said we had a cure.
Never said we had a treatment.
dan friesen
Prevention.
alex jones
Yay, we knock it out.
Laboratories that...
Produces stuff for hospitals and over-the-counter and everything else.
And as soon as everybody found out, the regulators, that Walmart sells this under another name and makes claims that ABL has that they've certified, it all went away, didn't it?
You didn't see any other articles.
It all just stopped Sunday, didn't it?
dan friesen
Alex is pretending that he pointed out that Walmart sells silver products, and just like that, everything went away, which is bullshit.
There weren't any other stories after March 14th because there wasn't a story.
The main story was that the New York Attorney General's office sent Alex a cease and desist letter.
That's the whole story.
jordan holmes
Follow-up.
Letter.
Still sent a couple of days ago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, that's all that's going on.
There's no reason there would be any more stories unless the New York Attorney General takes further action, and you wouldn't expect that to happen so quickly.
It's perfect for Alex, though.
He gets to pretend that the fact that there's no more stories means that he was vindicated.
In reality, it doesn't really mean anything.
And I notice on this show, he's being far more fucking careful.
I think someone might have sat him down.
jordan holmes
That's because he won!
dan friesen
He won!
He's certainly not saying the same things.
For the most part, about his silver.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
Trying to be real cautious.
He's constantly saying, like, this isn't a cure!
All right, Alex, you got bit.
Someone, some lawyer checked you.
So it's, you know, there's hysteria going around.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And apparently it's the megabanks that are doing it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure how that works, but here's Alex explaining.
alex jones
It's the big megabanks and the most powerful Fortune 500 exerting their will.
To start a stampede in non-essential areas they were running, to have their executives go home but actually keep all their companies operating, to then cancel some big public events and have governments declare martial law in areas like Europe and China, to then set the precedent to create the hysteria and the fear to have that done here if Trump didn't follow suit, monkey see, monkey do.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And the big thing this will create is unrest in the end.
They know within a month we'll be into a depression with this lockdown once it's in place.
And they're incrementally putting more in every day.
Trump's been bucking it, but trying to give the rhetoric that he's doing this so that he doesn't get the political blame for the death he knows is already coming.
He's following a balancing act that we really advised him to cover.
He's either listening to us or he came up with the exact same pragmatic system because...
Regardless, they're going to hype every event like it's the end of the world.
dan friesen
If I understand that clip, Alex is saying that the megabanks are the ones who are creating the hysteria, which involves putting Italy and China into a lockdown in order to force Trump to do the same here.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So Trump is fighting against that plan by pretending to go along with it with his rhetoric.
jordan holmes
He's very smart.
dan friesen
Because he's a political coward and doesn't want people to blame him for things later.
unidentified
No, he's brilliant.
dan friesen
And Alex thinks that's good leadership.
jordan holmes
Four-dimensional chess, Stan.
unidentified
This really feels like a...
dan friesen
Wheel spinning?
I was listening to that and like, I can't even really muster the energy to care about that stupid shit.
That's such a weak defense.
jordan holmes
I know.
I'm just amazed that even in his defenses, Trump is a giant coward.
Like, Trump is a giant baby, and that's why Alex likes him.
He's smart enough to take no blame for the things that he is responsible for.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Is not an endorsement of a candidate.
dan friesen
The history of books will remember him like Patton.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
When he needed courage, he summoned the will to lie.
Great.
dan friesen
So, RoboCop's coming.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
This is a corporate strike against the people exercising their power over you.
To shut down the economy, to shut down the infrastructure, and to drive you into total hysterical fear and submission.
And if you pass the test and submit properly, then you are never going to get out of the handcuffs.
This is the new world order.
This is the technocracy.
This is robot drones everywhere, barking orders at you, now becoming autonomous.
We're wanting to be police controlling them.
It'll be the ruling technocrats with their robot armies, surveillance.
I remember the plot of this movie.
dan friesen
Honestly, that sounds like a libertarian fantasy world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
alex jones
This is the complete rollout with digital tattoos out of the skin, microchips, total tracking, absolute domination, absolute total control, because after all...
We have to get rid of...
Diving boards.
We have to get rid of dodgeball and chase at the school.
Someone might hit their knee.
And now they're not even allowed to talk at many recesses or shake hands.
And we're all being trained to be these jellyfish and stay in our homes and watch the TV screens.
And the robots will tend the fields.
And the robots will bring us the food.
And the robots will enforce it like THX 1138, the actual globalist plan.
dan friesen
So that George Lucas movie is the real globalist plan.
jordan holmes
That was the plan.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex isn't basing this just on movies, though.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he's basing it just on movies.
dan friesen
Turns out, also, British royals, and maybe even other European countries, the kings and princes, have run their mouths.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
alex jones
Well, Queen Elizabeth II's husband, the former SS officer before World War II, They're in a good place to do it.
Prince Albert of Monaco.
Will you guys reprint this for me?
It printed blank.
Thank you.
Prince Albert of Monaco.
jordan holmes
It's just an empty paper.
alex jones
Coronavirus.
unidentified
Palace announces so does Grace Kelly's shine.
alex jones
You know, back a few weeks ago when they said Tom Hanks had it on that weekend, I went live on Sunday and I said, I think this is either made up or it's PR to overshadow Trump's emergency announcement.
jordan holmes
Yes, you did say that.
alex jones
That ABC News ran.
The king's a fake news.
And I think this is fake, too.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Awesome.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
There's no evidence that Tom Hanks faked having coronavirus.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he faked it.
dan friesen
He was just discharged from the hospital and went to self-isolation back on the 17th.
It's fun that Alex is digging his heels in on this one, though, basically saying that all people he doesn't like who test positive are faking it.
jordan holmes
Is Idris Elba faking it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He hasn't commented on that.
jordan holmes
Okay, I want to know.
dan friesen
Also, what good does having the Prince of Monaco fake a coronavirus diagnosis to?
jordan holmes
They got him!
dan friesen
100% of Alex's audience can't find Monaco on a map and probably didn't even know it existed five minutes ago.
Seems like it would be a weird play on the globalists' part.
jordan holmes
I think that one's fake, too.
I just love the confidence of just like, hey, I'm gonna go with fake on this one, Bob.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, Queen Elizabeth's husband is Prince Philip, and he was never an SS officer.
Philip was 18 in 1939 when the war began, so I have no idea how he could have been an SS officer prior to World War II.
jordan holmes
He was an SS officer whenever he was 14. Makes sense.
He was the first SS officer, Dan.
dan friesen
Prince Bernhard, on the other hand, may have been a member of a Nazi group in college.
That was claimed in a book, but I have a hard time finding concrete confirmation of it, but it's possible.
jordan holmes
I don't need a reason to hate royalty.
dan friesen
No.
Prince Philip didn't run his mouth about wanting to depopulate the world with a bioweapon.
Alex is just lying about a quote from the foreword to a 1987 book called If I Were an Animal.
This was a book where a hundred or so celebrities answered the question of what animal they would like to be.
Prince Philip said, I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.
That's a little different than running his mouth about wanting to depopulate the world with a bioweapon, but when you're Alex Jones, you're not a big fan of details.
jordan holmes
I would also like a horse, please.
Thank you very much.
And I want ice cream, and...
dan friesen
I don't know what quotes Alex is talking about with Prince Bernhard, but I'm just guessing it's a reference to him funding the creation of the World Wildlife Fund.
Also, I don't think Bernhard and Philip are cousins, and Bernhard's been dead for 16 years, so who cares?
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Right.
So, Alex gets back to the world.
jordan holmes
I kind of just have this feel that wouldn't most people, even at Alex fans, like, listen to this and just go, man, shut up.
We'll get back to you in better times.
But this is dumb.
dan friesen
No, because they don't think it's dumb.
jordan holmes
I know, but this is dumb.
dan friesen
It's very dumb.
unidentified
It's bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very dumb.
And if you listen, like, why doesn't anyone consider, like, everything he talks about is a movie?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The globalist plan is actually THX 113, and now this.
The next club, he cites two movies.
alex jones
French face fines if they leave home amid coronavirus lockdown as Europe prepares to close external borders.
dan friesen
Wait, I thought you said they were going to go to jail.
Now they're just getting fined?
What is it, Alex?
Were you lying before?
No.
jordan holmes
Why are you being like this?
alex jones
So when you go see V for Vendetta and the young news girl is getting home five minutes after dark and the thugs come around her.
And she says, I'm sorry, I got stuck on the train.
Wow.
You want to spy on every corner?
dan friesen
Alex can't deal with reality except through fiction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's why he has embraced so fully this fictional worldview and imaginary enemies.
jordan holmes
I was expecting Clockwork Orange to pop in.
I was thinking we would get some droogs going on, but honestly, I got out of left field there.
Got out of left field.
dan friesen
Tony Montana.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Tony Montana.
dan friesen
So he has all these movies that are real, and he talks a little bit here about THX-113 being reality.
And he veers into how basically science is demons telling people things.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
alex jones
And of course, the next thing will be go underground so the virus can't get you.
And that's the whole idea of THX 1138 that George Lucas made his first film about with Robert Duvall and a lot of other amazing actors.
Brave New World.
And then what the scientists and others were talking about at the time, what they wanted to build.
And a scientific elite takes humanity underground to protect them from a bio threat.
And generations later, we're ruled over by robots and a technotronic elite.
The technocrats.
jordan holmes
And the band Technotronic.
alex jones
That's the plan.
It's always been the plan.
Since 1856.
jordan holmes
What happened then?
alex jones
Sir Francis Galton.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
alex jones
Had a hallucination.
jordan holmes
Going Galt.
alex jones
This is in history books.
So did Darwin, his cousin, Charles Darwin.
They ate shit!
Of course.
Of course.
And they were told by aliens how to build all this.
Wow.
What?
And the double helix and biometrics and everything they were supposed to build.
And then they set about with the Scientific Royal Academy to build this.
And then Eisenhower, 100 years later, 105 years later, 106 years later...
jordan holmes
Officially.
alex jones
He comes out and warns you about the technotronic scientific elite controlling the military-industrial complex who's going to do all this.
You see?
jordan holmes
I do see.
alex jones
It all makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
jordan holmes
It all makes perfect sense.
It's demons.
alex jones
Literally inspired these people.
jordan holmes
Alien demons.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I did not know that was mainline history.
Did they change mainline history when I wasn't looking?
dan friesen
Yeah, they must have.
Is this a Mandela effect?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
Turns out it was Darwin's and Orwell, and they bred humans and aliens, and that's mainline history.
dan friesen
A bit of that stuff we covered in the Endgame documentary, there's some of those claims, and you can go back and hear that stuff if you want to there, but this is the sort of stuff that I'm just not even going to really engage with all too much, because it's just like, alright Alex, enjoy.
Science is made by demons!
jordan holmes
If you think that all science came about because demons contacted hallucinating...
Writers in the 19th century, and that all makes perfect sense?
Yeah.
You and I are just going to be done.
I'm not going to bother.
dan friesen
Francis Galton and Charles Darwin do share a grandfather, though, and Galton was a eugenicist.
So, I mean, there's some kernels of reality behind stuff you're saying, but like, you know, in 2015, Ben Carson told a crowd at a creationist conference that Darwin's ideas were encouraged by Satan.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, what you need to realize is, like, this is all, like, laughable and stuff, but this is pretty standard, like, extreme Christian creationist talking points.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm aware.
dan friesen
That's all Alex is doing here.
jordan holmes
There's a tornado in your junkyard, Dan.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks a little bit more about these demons that are inspiring scientists.
alex jones
You know, you're sitting there listening about machine elves when you're six, seven years old at the dinner table.
And now the government's got a project talking to the aliens.
jordan holmes
Was that what I was listening to?
alex jones
Running a secret project in San Francisco.
So, that's what this is.
The aliens are working with the globalists to kill everybody.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, if you want to tell me that Alex Jones is right about things, you now must explain to me that he is right about aliens working with the globalists to kill humanity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
Good luck.
jordan holmes
Alright, here we go.
New York Times just recently published that story saying that the Navy and the Pentagon all know about aliens going on, right?
So that's proof that aliens are real.
Step one, aliens are real.
Step two, aliens are communicating with the globalists.
The globalists are also...
Ooh, I have to prove they're real before we can even go anywhere.
dan friesen
You gotta prove a lot of the first premises.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, I don't think I can do this.
I don't think I can do this.
dan friesen
So, I mean, the way that the globalists talk to these demons, obviously they take DMs.
jordan holmes
Hallucinations.
dan friesen
DMT.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is Joe Rogan a globalist?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Alex isn't clear on what he thinks about it.
jordan holmes
He says he's Rogan at Darwin.
dan friesen
He says that Rogan's inducted into something.
I don't fucking know.
Who cares?
Anyway, DMT, don't.
Take it.
unidentified
I want to.
alex jones
I would not take the DMT.
Believe me.
Because if you're not deceived and I don't think they can rope you in, they're going to try to absolutely go watch Buckaroo Banzai when the guy goes in the other dimension for a second and then they get him for a minute and he comes back crazy.
Let me tell you, they don't just put that in Hollywood movies because they just thought this up, okay?
jordan holmes
Yes, they do.
That's how imaginations work.
alex jones
In fact, guys, try to pull up Buckaroo Banzai online, even if it's on Netflix, the part where it explains what happens to the mad scientist.
jordan holmes
Actually, yeah, do that.
alex jones
That's a great movie.
It's really like 100 years.
They torture the living hell out of him.
You want to know what a DMT trip's like?
That's what it's like.
And let me tell you, it is a trip.
You're going somewhere.
So don't take it.
dan friesen
Then he plays a long clip of Buckaroo Bonsai.
jordan holmes
So we got RoboCop and Buckaroo Bonsai here, man?
Are we going on a...
dan friesen
And THX113, and V for Vendetta, and Kroni Montana.
jordan holmes
I know, but what's the name of RoboCop again?
He was the star in both RoboCop and in Buckaroo Bonsai.
dan friesen
Peter Weller?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Peter Weller.
dan friesen
Peter Weller?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think I'm going to have to watch Peter Weller movies now.
dan friesen
Also, eagle-eared listeners will remember that back in that Ask Me Anything episode that me and Robert Evans recorded, Alex got one of his questions was, are you a fan of Buckaroo Banzai?
And he said, no.
jordan holmes
Bullshit!
dan friesen
And I wanted to play that clip, but he's so fucked up that it's really depressing to listen to.
I don't want to play it again.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex said he wasn't a fan of Buckaroo Banzai.
jordan holmes
That lying motherfucker!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This great movie.
Huge Peter Weller spin.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, I think he's admitting defeat.
alex jones
This is it.
This is martial law.
There will be a lot of survivors.
And we better do it or our president's bad.
And the American people go, we want martial law.
And then you're going to get it for 18 months and never come out.
And you're going to get a big fat depression.
But don't worry.
You're going to learn how to need the government now.
And all the big box stores can stay open.
You can't.
Economic takeover.
And drones flying around all ready to tell you what to do.
Hope everybody enjoys.
We tried to stop it.
dan friesen
He has no real suggestions for what should be done alternatively to the measures that are being suggested by states.
Even if, like, you know, California, it's an extreme measure to quarantine people, tell people to stay in their houses.
Shouldn't Alex be fine with it?
It's a state.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's the governor.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Martial law.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's no win.
dan friesen
No.
So, Alex takes calls, and this first caller that he gets wants to promote Endgame, the documentary.
jordan holmes
That's a surprise.
dan friesen
In heavy quotes, documentary.
unidentified
Whatistheendgame.com?
Whatistheendgame.com?
I think you pointed this out.
jordan holmes
The Endgame is a road, buddy.
alex jones
Is that website still up?
Whatistheendgame.com?
unidentified
It is still up, actually.
Yep.
alex jones
Yeah, it's put in whatistheendgame.com.
So, that thing we put up 14 years ago, that's still up.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah, and...
alex jones
Amazon banned the sale of it.
Amazon banned the sale a few months ago.
They said it was a racist movie because it's anti-Hedler.
I'm not kidding.
It's anti-eugenics and global extermination, so you're not allowed to see it.
dan friesen
Amazon just took Endgame off Prime, presumably because no one knew it was there to begin with.
And when Avengers Endgame came out, a bunch of people accidentally watched Alex's bullshit and complained.
I just went over to Amazon.com.
You can buy yourself a nice DVD copy of Endgame for six bucks.
So it's clearly not bad.
It's there.
But everybody's taking it down.
alex jones
And we need to post a copy of the film, I guess, ourselves.
Have we ever posted Endgame yet on Man.Vidia?
They're taking it down everywhere.
jordan holmes
Have any of you seen Endgame?
alex jones
Have any of you?
dan friesen
So they're taking it down everywhere.
If you search for Endgame Alex Jones on YouTube, you'll find multiple channels that have the film posted.
One posted it ten years ago.
Another six years ago.
There isn't a big rash of people taking Endgame down.
It was just Amazon Prime and it was probably due to customer complaints.
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Man, that would be such a bummer if you just wanted to watch Avengers Endgame and then...
Rhodes!
Rhodes are coming to kill us all!
Rhodes!
dan friesen
I did see one Amazon comment that was like, I was trying to watch Avengers.
Yeah, I can see a lot of people having that happen, but most of them are probably just like, oh, that's weird.
jordan holmes
I'll find another one.
dan friesen
But some people are going to call Amazon and be like, what the fuck is this?
jordan holmes
I wonder if some people are going to watch the whole thing.
That would be hilarious.
dan friesen
I can't imagine.
jordan holmes
Get to the end of it and be like...
dan friesen
I have been red-pilled.
jordan holmes
Iron Man wasn't in this at all!
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's gonna show up.
jordan holmes
I heard he died!
I heard he died at the end!
Did he die before this movie?
dan friesen
I think that Hulk is gonna show up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think Hulk is gonna take down Bilderberg.
dan friesen
That narrator kind of looks like Hulk.
unidentified
He's got a thick neck.
jordan holmes
Chris Evans was great.
dan friesen
So this next caller says something that is probably a counter to the goals of public health, and Alex does not push back on him at all.
unidentified
Another point, I think this whole spread of corona has really blossomed since the test kits have been put out.
And I think some of the test kits might actually have, you know, some sort of virus in there or...
Something, you know, toxic, deadly.
jordan holmes
You should really share that information with people.
unidentified
I think that might be why, you know, a lot of people are getting hit harder than others.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
Because they are getting tested?
That could be nanotech.
I mean, everything's lining up right now, and those are just a few theories.
alex jones
And notice, like, in war.
It all lines up, it all gets beta tested, it all gets ready, and then boom!
It hits you worldwide at once.
dan friesen
You can't let people say shit like that with no evidence, with no backing.
You know what I think?
I think the test actually is giving people the virus.
jordan holmes
That is great.
dan friesen
You know, because what this is going to do is going to, you know, it has Alex's tacit stamp of approval because he just moves on to the next topic and says, sir, that's an irresponsible thing to suggest.
So the audience listening to this will internalize a message of, I better not go get tested if I have some sort of symptom.
Like, this is fucking crazy.
The test will kill you.
jordan holmes
The test itself will give you the virus is maybe the most damaging thing that anybody could possibly say.
dan friesen
It's super irresponsible.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
Then it's just like everybody's trying to kill you, dude.
Stay inside.
dan friesen
Yeah, they are, because it's the globalists.
They are trying to kill you.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
You can see it right there.
It's a total economic takeover with U.S. corporations that are really globalist allied with China using this to shut us down.
And if Trump says it's bull, they'll show the thousands that die every week or so and hype it up that it's his fault.
So again, it's the weakness of the average American, the cowardice, the loving to get into a pity party, the wanting to be a victim, the wanting to get a welfare check, the wanting to win the lottery.
It's not all Americans, but it's the overall weakness.
dan friesen
This fucking dude is talking about weak Americans wanting a pity party and playing the victim.
He got a DUI a couple weeks back and claimed that it's Mockingbird CIA that there are articles about it.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to call that projection.
dan friesen
God damn.
Just embarrassing.
Just embarrassing levels of lack of awareness.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
So Alex has a guest that comes up now.
It's Tim Reams.
And this guy, I guess he's ex-military and he was formerly employed by Blackwater.
Probably as good a time as any to remember that Alex in 2009 believed that Blackwater were a group of criminal mercenaries.
They were.
And are.
This is one of the bigger turnarounds in Alex's career.
The hating Blackwater to employing them as his security and having former Blackwater on his guests.
jordan holmes
Love him.
dan friesen
Tim apparently was also a contestant on a reality show called American Tarzan.
jordan holmes
That sounds good.
dan friesen
Anyway, this guy, he was along with Rob Dew, and he recently went down to the border to see if it's really closed.
I have no interest in that segment.
It's all just pure xenophobia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
But Alex tries to prove to Tim that this virus is man-made.
Not that Tim disagrees, but he just uses him as a sort of sounding board to prove.
So he just uses two pieces of information that really nail down that this is man-made.
alex jones
Indian scientist discovers coronavirus engineer with HIV-like insertions, and it's got all the actual genes and protein signatures cut into it where they know it was gene-edited, okay?
It's like, how do you know a woman's had a breast job?
You see the scars.
I mean, it's like ridiculous, okay?
jordan holmes
You could ask her.
dan friesen
That's just the self-retracted Indian study that Alex is embellishing on.
Here's the next one.
alex jones
Lab-made coronavirus triggers debate.
This is the scientist journal.
Five years ago, Shane, why was Obama giving a weaponized virus to the Tricoms?
And it's almost the same virus, minus the HIV slice that they cut into it.
dan friesen
Alex is making shit up.
If he was forced to actually read that article on air, he would have to admit that it has nothing to do with...
The debate has nothing to do with Obama selling a fucking virus to China.
jordan holmes
That is unacceptable.
dan friesen
Those are the pieces of information that he's able to pull out when he's trying to demonstrate that the virus is man-made, which tells me he has no evidence of that at all.
He is full of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is really disheartening.
dan friesen
It is.
But it gets more disheartening.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
In this last clip from March 19th, and that is Alex promoting tomorrow's show.
alex jones
We've got Ted Nugent's wife on tomorrow to really break her silence about what she thinks is going on.
Break her silence?
She's a really smart lady.
jordan holmes
She's a freedom fighter?
alex jones
In her words, her exact words was...
Be bold.
dan friesen
All right.
Ted Nugent's wife is finally going to break her silence on the virus.
The world has been clamoring to know what Ted Nugent's wife thinks about all this.
jordan holmes
Every morning I walk outside and into the sky I scream, Lord, tell me!
What does Ted Nugent's wife think?
dan friesen
And we will learn.
So we get to the 20th, and Alex has taken on a very blasé tone about the potential consequences of this virus.
alex jones
Trump is stuck in this balancing act.
He knows this is going to kill the economy.
He knows they're trying to remove him from office.
He knows that they're hyping this up bigger than it is.
Yeah, it's going to probably kill tens of thousands of people.
Still, we're in Asia at 330 plus million.
dan friesen
So that's so minimizing of a very terrible potential outcome.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Especially considering, you remember the last time they amped up a story like that?
Or Alex, like, I just keep thinking about the migrant caravan over and over and over again.
Of them being like, oh, they're amping, this is hysteria, this is insane, how dare they, they would never make this kind of, and it's like, you guys went apeshit over...
Bunch of people who didn't even...
dan friesen
Or Jade Helm?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You guys are insane if you're talking about other people engineering hysteria.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, certainly I'm more concerned with the fact that he seems to think that tens of thousands of deaths is like...
No big deal.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
But that's kind of what he was saying on the last episode, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, but this is more explicit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It makes it more upsetting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a good point.
dan friesen
So this is a globalist takeover.
They're trying to teach you to work from home and all that.
alex jones
This is a globalist takeover.
jordan holmes
Does he have any tips?
alex jones
This is teaching you to work from home.
Teaching you that you've got to be tracked by a cell phone to go outside.
We talked about China a month ago tracking people with their cell phones before they could leave their houses.
Making them download a government app.
Well, now we broke on Monday.
DrudgeReport.com picked it up that MIT and Bill and Melinda Gates have a plan to make you wear a bracelet that changes colors and a digital tattoo that you take under the skin that shows you've been inoculated and that they'll track you by your cell phone.
dan friesen
So there's really no resource on this Bill Gates stuff other than an article on Infowars whose only source is an anonymous, quote, cybersecurity white hat government contractor.
Suffice it to say, that means literally nothing to me, and I reject it.
jordan holmes
No, he's a cybersecurity white hat government contractor.
That means he knows what Bill and Melinda Gates are up to.
dan friesen
Or it's not a real person.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, there's that.
dan friesen
It's a lieutenant colonel.
So the stuff about the invisible ink tattoo for vaccination records isn't related to the coronavirus outbreak.
That was a research project that was taking place at MIT previous to all this, and it did receive some funding from Bill Gates, but that doesn't really prove any of the conclusions Alex is jumping to.
An article in Futurism from December 2019 describes it as, quote, proof of concept and that, quote, in human cadaver skin models, the patterns outlasted five years of simulated sun exposure.
I would assume that if the goal is maintaining some kind of vaccination record, then that's not nearly good enough to achieve that outcome.
This may be a ways off from being viable and it's not approved for use.
Also, it's not Bill Gates that wants to use cell phones to track people.
According to reporting in the Washington Post from the 19th, quote, in the United States, the White House has been in negotiation with major tech companies, including Google and Facebook, about potentially using aggregated and anonymized location data created by smartphone use, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.
But those efforts have been kept largely from the public.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds like something that you would want to keep from the public, you know, that mass-scale surveillance program that you definitely have.
God, I hate these people.
dan friesen
That's something Trump is doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex can play all these games he wants where Trump's employees and administration officials do things that they're not supposed to do, according to Alex, or secret deep state moles.
But at a certain point, he's just going to have to face the music that his hero is the villain of his career, and he fucking loves him.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Ironic.
dan friesen
Alex gets to talk more about these bracelets and tattoos.
alex jones
Asia deploys innovative...
Give invasive tech to curb virus.
And what's it say?
Cell phones that track you, bracelets, digital tattoos.
Yahoo News.
dan friesen
So Alex is making up the digital tattoos part of that article about Asian use of innovative tech.
This is an article from the Japan Times, not Yahoo News, and it's about how China, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore are testing out approaches to medical tracking that might be a little bit invasive.
The article is about an app that people can download on their smartphone which is connected to a bracelet.
This is pretty extreme stuff, but from the article, it only references those bracelets being used in the case of people who are subject to compulsory quarantine because they had returned from overseas.
That's not to say it's great, but it's not quite as horrendous as Alex is making it out to be.
jordan holmes
They're not kicking down doors and slamming bracelets on people.
dan friesen
Not according to this article.
That's not something that we can prove using this article.
And, you know, it's bracelets that make sure people aren't...
Breaching the quarantine that they are required to be under.
jordan holmes
It's a low jack.
dan friesen
And again, he's making up the part about the digital tattoos.
That's not in this article at all.
jordan holmes
They just love the mark of the beef shit.
Gotta throw that in there.
dan friesen
Can't get enough of that.
So Alex gets really into Gavin Newsom, California governor, in this episode on the 20th.
And he's talking about how...
Gavin Newsom did this press conference where he said that there's martial law, it's in place.
And it's like, he's trying to be smooth about it, so you go along with it, and then you're dead.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So Gavin Newsom is our Bill Maher of this episode.
dan friesen
I guess.
And Alex has a gross kidnapping fantasy that he plays out about Gavin Newsom.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
alex jones
An American psycho, Gavin Newsom, is going to strut around.
We come back.
I'm going to play five minutes of his press conference where he gets into the martial law.
Oh, no, no, no.
He says to the reporter, the reporter says, don't we need total martial law?
He goes, my sweetie, they're socializing, they're accepting and enforcing it on themselves.
Let's not get too hasty.
Looks so evil.
He goes, we'll get to that very soon.
Because it is martial law.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
alex jones
When you're a kidnapper, let's use the microcosm example, and you try to pick up the 16-year-old girl.
Like your Ted Bundy.
You tell her, oh, I have a non-threatening yellow Volkswagen.
Hey, let's go eat dinner.
Let's go drink some beer together.
Get in the car with me.
Pulls the gun out, puts it to her head, and he says, I'm going to blow your head off unless you put these handcuffs on.
It'll be okay if you put them on.
See, Newsom's just like, put the handcuffs on.
jordan holmes
This is not the music I want for this.
alex jones
I'm going to take you to a nice place and let you out of these.
Let me lead you down.
Let's put this gag on.
Down these stairs, right into this basement, shows that door, and he goes, I'm going to torture you over three days.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
I'm going to suck your soul.
I'll get ready for me to torture the hell out of you.
Newsom's like, let's get the handcuffs on.
dan friesen
So the first point, and I think this should be probably obvious, Alex is lying about what Governor Newsom said in the press conference.
He was saying that martial law is not necessary at this point because people were recognizing there was a public need to act and people were stepping up.
We'll play the clip that Alex plays.
It's the next clip.
So that's all bullshit.
But I wanted to talk about Alex's kidnapping metaphor.
He loves telling that little story.
Like, he legitimately does that bit all the time.
He talks about a kidnapper threatening to kill you unless you put on handcuffs, and if you put on the handcuffs, you're dead.
It's a fine metaphor and all, but I have a different one that might be more appropriate for Alex.
I would suggest that this is more like taking your dog to the vet.
Your dog is a stupid asshole that doesn't understand medicine, but it still suffers from medical issues.
And you know what?
That dog's medical issues are going to affect other people and other dogs.
Whether it's because you ignore a dog's health and then a problem gets worse to the point where it requires an expensive surgery, or because the dog has a condition that can transmit to another dog at the park, that dog has to be taken care of.
And it's too fucking stupid to do it on its own.
In case you don't get it, Alex is the dog.
He'll fight and bark and yell all the way to the vet.
Maybe even try to bite you, but it's for his own good and everyone else's own good.
jordan holmes
My dogs, Jake and Fanny, are not mean, Dan.
Or not stupid.
How dare you?
They call me and say, we gotta go to the vet!
unidentified
Baby!
dan friesen
I've seen your dog shit on the wood floor.
That's true.
That dog's stupid.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that Alex should be put down or forced into a FEMA camp for his own good or anything like that, but when the state is enacting certain measures that are necessary to stop the spread of a very dangerous pandemic, he's the dog in the backseat on the way to a vet.
You just need to ignore his stupid, meaningless barking.
And that's all this is.
So anyway, that's a better metaphor.
jordan holmes
That's a pretty good one.
That's an apt metaphor.
dan friesen
That one's for free.
jordan holmes
I don't think you'll be using that one.
dan friesen
So here is that clip of Gavin Newsom that Alex says that he's trying to put the handcuffs on you.
unidentified
The governors of Illinois and Ohio ordered the closure.
Yeah, well, we could do that easily.
dan friesen
Why not exercise your...
unidentified
Because we...
gavin newsom
It's a nuance and a distinction we can get caught up in because to date we haven't needed to do that.
unidentified
We've set out guidance.
alex jones
That guidance has been met in every circumstance.
gavin newsom
And as I said in the past, if you want to establish a framework of martial law, which is ultimate authority and enforcement, we have the capacity to do that, but we are not at this point.
moment, feeling that as a necessity, and to the extent that people do not socialize I would be surprised and we have all the confidence it will be.
dan friesen
That's not him saying, put on the handcuffs.
That's saying, at this point, people are going along with the recommendations.
There is no need for us to enforce things necessarily.
So, great.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much the complete opposite of what Alex is trying to paint it as.
Yep.
dan friesen
He's gaslighting.
jordan holmes
If you are the globalists, why wouldn't you take this opportunity to declare martial law when even the reporter is like, do you think you should declare martial law?
Suggesting that it is on the table.
dan friesen
He's saying that other states are taking slightly more drastic and enforced measures.
jordan holmes
And the guy's like, we're not declaring martial law.
dan friesen
Because so far we haven't needed to.
People are going along with things.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
It's wild to me.
The way that Alex portrays something is the exact opposite of what it is.
So Alex, in this March 20th episode, I think that he has discovered the cure for coronavirus.
Okay.
alex jones
And then we heard a few weeks ago that Chlora, Chloroquine, an inexpensive malaria drug, is having incredible effects on people if it's caught before it gets too late, even if you're old.
And I've got a bunch of articles and studies and reports here on that, but anybody can pull up chloroquine, C-H-L-O-R-A-Q-U-I-N.
jordan holmes
Didn't even spell it right?
Oh, man.
alex jones
Chloroquine works, right?
French study finds anti-malaria drug chloroquine may be highly effective against coronavirus.
That was days ago, but again, it came out weeks ago.
Well, guess what chloroquine does, according to the literature?
It pushes zinc into the cells, and then when there's zinc in there, the viruses can't replicate.
In the cells.
Isn't that interesting?
Just like nanosilver in Pentagon.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ!
No!
You insane person!
alex jones
Dallas, other Homeland Security congressional reports, coats the cell so that viruses can't get in.
And it also fries them.
dan friesen
Paging the New York Attorney General.
jordan holmes
He's just too stupid to live.
He can't control himself.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
This dude is nuts!
dan friesen
So there was a bit of a story that went around over the weekend that I regret to inform you this episode predates.
On Saturday, Trump retweeted a tweet that cited a French study claiming to show that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were effective in treating COVID-19.
This led to some scientists chiming in and pointing out that the study itself was very poorly constructed and that the groups that were tested were very small to the point of being inconclusive.
And then it got worse.
Jared Holt pointed out that the account that Trump retweeted was actually a guy who used to go by the name Mike Tokes, who had a bit of a habit of hanging out with neo-Nazis like Baked Alaska.
He was even covered in an article in The Guardian about the figures who were putting together that alt-right rally in Portland back in 2017.
jordan holmes
Can't imagine why he would be in Trump's orbit.
dan friesen
And then it got worse.
A number of doctors pointed out that advising people to take hydroxychloroquine and zithromycin was dangerous, and it could actually result in heart failure.
jordan holmes
Great.
Great.
dan friesen
And then it got worse.
jordan holmes
Why do we have this?
Oh my god, we're all gonna...
dan friesen
And then it got worse.
After Trump's tweet, Bloomberg reported on how in Nigeria there were, quote, two cases of chloroquine poisoning.
jordan holmes
God damn!
dan friesen
After United States President Donald Trump praised the anti-malaria drug as a treatment for the novel coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I was worried that Alex's talk about the drug predated Trump's, but it turns out Trump was talking shit about chloroquine in his White House briefing on Thursday when he lied about it being FDA approved to treat coronavirus.
So that's probably what Alex was going off of.
Anyway, shit's all the way reckless now.
jordan holmes
This is...
dan friesen
I have absolutely no words to describe the level of despair I feel seeing this particular little chapter play out and knowing that it's just a blip on the larger radar.
The president lied about the FDA approving a medication for a pandemic, then retweeted a guy named Mike Toks who hangs out with Nazis, touting an inconclusive study that led to a spike in demand for that medication and at least two overdoses in Nigeria.
And it's not that big a story.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
I just...
I...
I just can't.
Can you imagine if Obama did anything like that?
He would be arrested.
dan friesen
Federal buildings would be blowing up.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He would be arrested for murder.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
Alex, you could tell from that clip, he really only brought up the chloroquine in order to sell his own shit.
And so he gets into that further.
alex jones
They don't spray the iodine that much even more, even though it kills stuff too.
Or the alcohol, that's not even hardly used.
Stuff everybody uses as hand sanitizer.
They are using nanosilver from American Biotech Labs, the one that we use.
But the toothpaste is sold out, folks, and I'm not advertising it as something that is a treatment or a defense.
It's sold as a tooth whitening toothpaste, but yeah.
Silver's antibacterial antiviral.
jordan holmes
You're doing it again!
alex jones
My teeth went.
jordan holmes
You can't stop.
What are you doing?
dan friesen
You can't stop.
jordan holmes
In the middle of saying, I'm not selling this.
I mean, yeah, the active ingredient cures coronavirus, but it's just toothpaste that I'm selling for whitening purposes.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Of course, the ingredients inside of it cure the...
Oh, my God.
Idiot!
dan friesen
Well, I think he's too defensive about people calling him out for that, and so he can't show ass by being like, sorry, look, I shouldn't have done that.
So he ends up doing it more.
And maybe the New York Attorney General's office will take notice and fine him.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
So it's not only the silver.
Alex now has the chloroquine angle.
He's like, how can I make money off that?
alex jones
Well, guess what has a whole bunch of zinc in it?
The real red pill.
And the Real Red Pill Plus.
The Real Red Pill Plus has natural, healthy stimulant in it.
dan friesen
So Alex only brought up the chloroquine thing because he read the word zinc in some headline about it and realized, hey, I sell zinc.
Let's pretend that's related.
So he sells this supplement, the Real Red Pill, that has zinc in it, but that means nothing.
A lot of foods have zinc in them.
Go eat some beef or baked beans.
jordan holmes
No, but the red pill will actually push the zinc inside yourselves.
Okay, well.
dan friesen
It's theorized, but it's not proven or even a consensus opinion that chloroquine acts as an ionosphere.
Which allows extra zinc to enter the cells.
It doesn't have zinc itself, so for Alex's promotion here to make sense, he would really be needing to try to sell his audience the real red pill and also say that they should take chloroquine.
That's really irresponsible stuff.
And you can just see the levels and layers of profiteering Alex is trying to engage in.
jordan holmes
That's really disgraceful.
dan friesen
As soon as something becomes relevant, he tries to sell it.
If you go to his website, there's a big banner that says, add a boost of zinc to your daily routine.
Advertising the real red pill.
He knows no bottom to this scam.
He will make whatever money he can by jeopardizing his audience's well-being because he doesn't give a single shit.
And listen to this.
This is just a fucking con man.
alex jones
My point is, real red pill and real red pill plus, zinc is sold out everywhere.
So is vitamin C. It's sold out everywhere.
In fact, I have reporters out right now showing multiple stores.
They're going to report on it.
They're just, it's empty.
Folks are getting it.
Well, guess what we've got in stock?
And I decided I haven't made this announcement yet.
I just decided to do it.
jordan holmes
Do not.
alex jones
Even though this is going to sell out in just a few weeks, right now it's only 20% off.
As we speak, it's 50% off.
jordan holmes
God damn you.
alex jones
I do the opposite of what the globalists do.
I don't raise prices in a crisis.
I lower them.
It's 20% off right now.
I said I wouldn't do 50% off in the new year.
I haven't done it yet, but I'm doing it now.
50% off on real red pills.
dan friesen
You can find zinc on Amazon.
There's a bunch of them.
So, as disgusting as that is...
jordan holmes
Like, he should be tarred and feathered.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There needs to be some sort of old-timey group social shaming for this behavior, because that is insane.
dan friesen
Maybe just everyone boo him all the time.
unidentified
Yeah, all the time.
dan friesen
Everyone, you see Alex just boo.
jordan holmes
Everybody gets one tomato that they have to throw at Alex Jones.
dan friesen
So, look, as bad as that is, that's terrible, and let's leave that behind us.
Because, I mean, it's what you expect.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, I need to know somebody is breaking their silence on something.
dan friesen
Well, that's not yet.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
That's not yet.
Because Alex actually has a pretty good position on the insider trading that's happening in Congress.
jordan holmes
It's bad.
All right.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
And now we learn Republican and Democrats, including Dianne Feinstein, she has a Chinese spy around her office.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Got a classified briefing on coronavirus and how dire it was.
Same intelligence agency saying Trump's a Russian agent.
Trump still hasn't gotten rid of all the globalists.
And they dumped their stock.
And the media, strangely enough, is calling for the Republicans to resign.
But not the Democrats.
I say every...
Damn one of them.
jordan holmes
Yes, I agree!
alex jones
You have a Republican or a Democrat.
jordan holmes
Hooray!
alex jones
Classified briefing, and you go dump your stock.
It's called insider trading.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
alex jones
Stick a fork in them, they're done.
But see, oh!
Don't you know those few Republicans that didn't vote for impeachment?
Don't you know now when there's going to be a new impeachment coming up?
Oh, you know it's coming.
For not handling the coronavirus right.
Give it four months.
When the death's peaking, hundreds of thousands.
On the high end, 50,000 on the low end.
That's my prediction.
From the real numbers.
Oh, they've got their votes now!
Because the FBI is still controlled by the globalists at the top.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And they'll defer prosecution for insider trading, but you're going to now vote against President Trump.
So you can see how all this is coming together.
dan friesen
Alex lost me in the middle there.
jordan holmes
So it turns out that the Republicans caught for insider trading will not be asked to resign.
Instead, they'll be blackmailed into impeaching Trump.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
And it only takes three Republicans to successfully remove...
Is this the Federal Reserve?
dan friesen
Alex is iffy on numbers.
jordan holmes
Is this the Federal Reserve, Dan?
dan friesen
So on the one hand, I agree with and applaud Alex for calling for all these people in Congress to be treated equally and resign if this is actually a case of insider trading, which it appears to be.
I don't think he'd have that position if one of them was Jim Jordan.
But whatever.
That's a counterfactual.
I can't really prove that that's true, but I bet he would be different.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
However, Alex doesn't seem to know who the Republican ones are.
And Dianne Feinstein's the only name he even brings up.
He also doesn't even seem to know that it's all Republicans and then Dianne Feinstein.
She was the only Democrat that's been named.
But he's trying to make it seem like it's equal.
It's like three Republicans and Dianne Feinstein.
jordan holmes
Also, Dianne Feinstein, look, the Republicans, look, they're cheaters and traitors and they're awful.
But Dianne Feinstein also has a Chinese spy.
Democrats are even worse!
dan friesen
Right.
Also, I don't think I can get down with that blackmail to impeach Trump narrative.
jordan holmes
I don't think that one's going to work.
dan friesen
This show is so goddamn boring now because every conspiracy has to lead to the end point of taking out Trump.
It feels like a sitcom that's in season 10 where the writing is just lazy.
It's like, come on, can't you just be interesting?
Can't you have a weird conspiracy?
Everything is just like, ah, yeah, secretly trying to take out Trump.
jordan holmes
Trump is doing a bad job.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He sucks.
unidentified
Wrong.
jordan holmes
He's terrible.
unidentified
Wrong.
jordan holmes
He's the worst.
He's actually literally killing people.
dan friesen
No.
Trump is doing a great job.
unidentified
And your show is boring.
dan friesen
Trump is doing a great job.
jordan holmes
All of the stars aligned to just not do this shit anymore.
dan friesen
Trump is doing a great job.
jordan holmes
No, he's not.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex talks about it in this next clip, so I know it's true.
jordan holmes
God, that can't be real.
alex jones
Anthony Fauci and all the same ones that run the show.
They're the good guys.
And Trump gets up and tries to talk the virus down.
Fauci saddles up, sidles up, and says, It's all over!
Run for the hills!
You're all dead!
dan friesen
You say that.
alex jones
Trump's always surrounded by the deep state.
dan friesen
This is so fucking funny.
Alex is so mad at Anthony Fauci because he's not playing along with Trump's stupid games.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's trying to stay focused on responding like an adult to the crisis that's in front of him.
jordan holmes
And it's going great.
dan friesen
He's behaving like a responsible grown-up.
And that's really pissing off Alex because he wants to have fun and yell conspiracies.
But because I listened to Alex's show, I remember that Alex only learned who Fauci was back on February 8th, when Alex misread a headline and decided to report that Anthony Fauci was coming out at Trump's behest and saying that they believed the virus was man-made.
This, of course, was a load of bullshit, but it led to Alex saying this, which is really funny now.
alex jones
Now let's look at the facts.
The president, through his medical spokesperson, who's very respected, made a lot of calls about Fauci in the last few months, I knew who he was, and they say he's very respected, a quote, legend.
dan friesen
So on February 8th, Alex had looked into Fauci and made some calls, and he's the best, super respected.
jordan holmes
He's a legend!
dan friesen
But now he's the deep state.
jordan holmes
He's the deep state legend!
dan friesen
Nothing is real.
jordan holmes
He's a nightmare, Dan!
dan friesen
Nothing is real.
And then once you accept that nothing is real, it makes you more able to accept that we are about to listen to Ted Nugent's wife.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Why not?
The world couldn't get any more weird.
Why wouldn't I have to listen to Ted Nugent's wife talk?
dan friesen
Why not?
shemane nugent
And you've talked about the coronavirus and what's going on, and I started to do some research in the past month or so, and I started to find out what's really going on, and it scared the crap out of me.
dan friesen
So, Ms. Nugent has done some research.
jordan holmes
She has a Chrome browser then, I assume?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like, you know...
You would maybe assume that his wife isn't maybe the best source of research about the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
I always understood her to be a thorough researcher.
dan friesen
Alex has something you need to know.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, I respect you as a researcher.
I learned a lot from you on the medical field.
Really?
You're really a respected expert on that.
From your deep research, what do you really think this virus is?
Where do you think it's coming from?
What do you think is going to happen?
dan friesen
I don't know if Shemaine Nugent is a respected name in the field of research or anything like that.
I think she's mostly relevant because she's Ted's wife.
I went to her website and apparently she's into Zumba and some years back she got sick because toxic mold in her walls which encouraged her to get into alternative medicine.
Anthony Fauci basically has the same resume.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you could listen to the deep state or you could listen to the Zumba instructor.
dan friesen
One big red flag on her website for me was her educational record.
She has a bachelor's in radio, TV, and film, which checks out because she met Ted when she was working at a Detroit radio station.
She also claims to have a master's in metaphysics, which is more of a problem.
jordan holmes
A master's in metaphysics?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I noticed that she doesn't say where either of these degrees are from because probably, you know, the metaphysics degree is from some scammy diploma bill.
Real accredited universities do not offer degrees in metaphysics.
When someone has a degree in metaphysics on their resume, particularly when their other educational background isn't in some other solid form of philosophy or maybe theology, it's a major sign that they have a fake degree.
Metaphysics is a real branch of philosophy, but it's not something universities give degrees in.
It's the same thing with most branches of philosophy.
Like, if I had pursued a philosophy major instead of a minor in college, I would have a bachelor's degree in philosophy.
Not in logic.
jordan holmes
It would include logic.
dan friesen
You could say you have an emphasis in logic or something like that, but you wouldn't have a degree in logic.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
She's written three books.
One is called Kill It and Grill It, which is a wild game cookbook she wrote with Ted.
jordan holmes
A very respected researcher, Dan.
dan friesen
Another is called Married to a Rockstar, which is about being married to Ted.
jordan holmes
What better research is there for a book like that than actually marrying a rock star?
dan friesen
The third is called Four Minutes a Day, Rock and Roll Your Way to Happy.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
It seems to be also still cashing.
You know, being married to a famous rock and roll.
jordan holmes
Four minutes is all you need to do good research.
dan friesen
She's also currently making a documentary called Killer House, which is about toxic mold.
Also in 2013, she was arrested for having a.38 caliber handgun in her carry-on bag when she tried to board a plane in Dallas.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
According to Gawker, the gun was loaded, but Shemaine claimed that she had no idea it was in her bag.
Nothing says responsible gun ownership than not knowing where your loaded gun is.
jordan holmes
That's the games that Ted and Shemaine like to play with each other.
You know, like, oh, are you leaving the country?
Perhaps international travel?
I'm just going to sneak a little loaded weapon into your luggage.
Ha ha ha!
dan friesen
I can find no evidence that she should be treated as an expert in anything, nor should her research into the coronavirus be taken seriously at all.
But she is married to Alex's weird pervert hero, Ted Nugent, so she's basically the head of the CDC.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
Great!
jordan holmes
I just...
We live in strange times, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We live in strange times.
dan friesen
So, you know, there's some theories going around that the virus is a cover for Trump to mop up the deep state.
jordan holmes
Why would those theories be going around?
dan friesen
Alex suggests that, and Shemaine agrees.
alex jones
So I see them trying to use the virus against Trump, saying it's his fault, but at the same time, it's also an opportunity for Trump to mop up the deep state.
So I think both sides are trying to use it right now.
What do you think?
shemane nugent
Yeah, I totally agree.
But I think Trump is one step ahead of him.
And obviously, this is a preordained evolution.
This is unlike anything we've ever experienced before.
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
What's really weird is there's a lot of talk and vague insinuations of this being sort of biblical and, you know, that...
Why aren't they bringing up the locusts?
Like, they never bring up the locusts.
jordan holmes
The locusts are too real.
dan friesen
They're trying to pitch this like this is revelation stuff.
It's a plague.
Why not bring up the fact that there's also locusts?
jordan holmes
Because that's too real.
Every time I read that news, I swear to God, I've read that same news like 30 times, and every time I immediately forget it because I'm like, no.
I just refuse to believe that there's locusts.
I refuse to believe there's a plague of locusts right now, Dan.
Dan, there's a plague of locusts right now.
dan friesen
You would think that it fits right in with their rhetoric.
jordan holmes
It does!
dan friesen
It's conspicuous in its absence.
unidentified
But that's because it's almost too on the nose!
Maybe.
dan friesen
So, Alex, talking about the mopping up the deep state thing, that's a QAnon thing.
That is definitely one of the narratives that's put out by QAnon.
Guess what?
Shemaine likes QAnon.
unidentified
Of course.
shemane nugent
I know what you're trying to get me to say.
I do believe that there is an orchestrated group of individuals that some people have called Q, who have been dropping breadcrumbs, so to speak, for those of us.
And the information is available online.
I have told my people to do the research for themselves.
jordan holmes
Stop calling it research.
shemane nugent
And to look up QAnon.
jordan holmes
You're Googling weird articles.
shemane nugent
To do due diligence for themselves.
alex jones
Let's talk about it with Shemaine.
Stay right there.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
So Alex rushes out to break.
And what do you know?
They don't come back to this topic.
jordan holmes
Oh, they don't come back to cute stuff?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But Shemaine does try to get Alex to do a breathing exercise, which is kind of funny.
shemane nugent
Alex, if you don't mind, I would like to do something.
Here with you, live, that you've probably never done before on your show.
jordan holmes
Remove a chip from a homeless man.
shemane nugent
Do you want to try it?
alex jones
Is it called breathing?
shemane nugent
I want you to take a deep breath, and when you breathe in, silently count to four.
Ready?
Do it with me.
Ready?
unidentified
*Sigh*
shemane nugent
You're not doing it.
alex jones
I counted to four.
shemane nugent
Good.
Good.
All right.
alex jones
See how I guessed what you were going to say?
shemane nugent
Great mind.
alex jones
No, no, no.
shemane nugent
You know what, Alex?
Here's the thing.
We don't really know for sure what's going to unravel and when, and we're all getting breadcrumbs and bits and pieces of information.
dan friesen
Breadcrumbs, again.
More QAnon language.
Yep.
So anyway, she's super into QAnon.
Their interview is pointless.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex, you can tell, kind of, like, isn't really all that interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he asks too many questions, it's going to get into her promoting Q, and he has a stated position of hating Q, which he said earlier in the episode, or on the day before, and pretty consistently.
So he doesn't want to yell and make fun of Ted Nugent's wife.
He needs to keep Ted Nugent his friend.
So he keeps being like, oh, I hear maybe Ted's going to drop in.
So then Ted shows up.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
They talk about how great it is to live in the woods.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex ends this interview.
They get done.
It's like an hour of talking to the Nugents.
That can't be real.
jordan holmes
Why aren't they on Fox News right now, Dan?
I want the world to know what the Nuge thinks.
dan friesen
They might be.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, you're right.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Alex gets into weird headspace after the interview, and he somehow starts talking about the movie Rollerball.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And so now Rollerball is real.
jordan holmes
I love it.
alex jones
So, globalism was about being able to choke countries off because everybody was interdependent.
Hell, they made an incredible movie back in the 70s with James Caan, Rollerblade.
jordan holmes
Rollerblade?
alex jones
And I remember being like eight years old watching it when it was on TV in like the early 80s.
And my dad going, read this as a big new Brzezinski book when you get old enough, son.
This movie's about what they plan to set up.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
You got a bad dad.
You got a bad dad.
You got to get rid of that dad.
Get a new one.
Get a new one.
Call someone right now.
dan friesen
Hey, eight-year-old son, Rollerball is real.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
Hey, eight-year-old son, I got a Brzezinski book for you to read.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But this isn't a straight thought.
Alex really legitimately seems to think that in the same way THX113 is real, so is Rollerball.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
But if you go back to Rollerball...
James Caan is this world-famous superstar, top rollerballer.
He won't quit.
He's supposed to get defeated in the end.
He's supposed to be torn down.
The corporates even take his wife.
They have that power, like a lord of old, to take your wife or your daughter from you.
And he goes to try to find files about how the corporations took over, and there's this one big mainframe liquid computer.
And he goes to the computer and...
They've gotten rid of all the books.
They've gotten rid of everything.
But for a while, everything was available on this worldwide computer system called the Internet.
It's in the movie.
But once it all went onto one AI computer, it began to erase everything.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a good plot of a movie.
alex jones
And he goes, yes, he categorizes things, and then he loses them.
And you see, once everything's on the cloud, notice everything's getting lost now.
Yes.
Back this up with audio.
Back it up.
I want to play this for people.
Because they're telling you everything.
Here it is.
Play it.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
So many movies.
jordan holmes
He's playing a clip from Rollerball.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And he's asking them to back it up with audio just in case the cloud loses it?
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Back it up.
Like, rewind it.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I thought he was like...
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I genuinely thought he was like, we need a physical copy of this.
dan friesen
I mean, that's a fair reading of, you know, the context of what he's saying.
I mean, this is like, what?
Maybe the eighth?
Movie that he's cited as real?
jordan holmes
I'm writing down movie titles that I think might come up later.
I got Logan's Run going on there.
dan friesen
Is it Logan's Run?
I can't remember.
I think Blade Runner.
jordan holmes
Blade Runner?
Okay, that's a good one.
Harrison Ford is a replicant, by the way.
dan friesen
Anything that's adjacent to Philip K. Dick or one of the short stories probably is going to be real.
jordan holmes
I wrote down Running Man, but I don't think he would reference that one.
dan friesen
He has many times.
jordan holmes
Has he?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, I thought he would just hate Arnold Schwarzenegger.
dan friesen
No, no, not Running Man.
I'm thinking of Total Recall.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Total Recall is a good one.
dan friesen
I think he's talked about Running Man before.
jordan holmes
I think Running Man is probably a better one for him.
Isn't Jesse Venturi in that?
unidentified
Oh, hell yeah, Jesse Venturi is in Running Man.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
unidentified
I can't wait.
dan friesen
I fucking can't wait for like...
Him to run out of Philip K. Dick related movies.
He's just like, you know what?
Hey, the Adjustment Bureau.
jordan holmes
How far do you think we're going to go?
dan friesen
You see someone with a hat.
jordan holmes
Alright, look out.
Now, okay, hear me out.
dan friesen
People with hats go through doors.
jordan holmes
I know people didn't like the movie Bright starring Will Smith, but hear me out.
alex jones
It's going to happen.
dan friesen
Is that the Philip K. Dick thing?
No.
Well, you ruined the game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Supposed to be Philip K. Dick stuff.
So Alex wants to take some calls towards the end of this 20th episode, and he puts out the call for a specific sort of caller.
alex jones
I'm going to go to your calls quickly because I know you're busy.
dan friesen
He's not.
alex jones
If you have specific information from the National Guard, NORTHCOM, Space Command, Central Command, Army Special Operations, Threat Fusion Centers, State Police...
on what you've been prepped and ready for.
jordan holmes
Also Ted Nugent's wife.
alex jones
And what you've been told.
I want you to call him.
dan friesen
So Alex puts out that call for callers from high intel areas because he wants to hear what they're hearing.
That's great, but I highly doubt anyone in those areas is likely to call in and even less likely to disseminate private information on Alex's dumb show.
What this is, it's not actually a plea for intelligence people in the audience to call in.
In function, this is Alex signaling to the audience that if they call in and claim to be intelligence, he's going to let them.
He won't question them and is willing to take at face value all the information the audience might present as appearing official.
Basically, what he's doing is establishing an improv game.
jordan holmes
He's inviting people to LARP with him.
dan friesen
Yes.
That is it.
It's the first line in an improv scene.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, he doesn't get to call us for a while because he's...
jordan holmes
Not getting any calls.
dan friesen
Well, that might be, or maybe he's just bad at it, which we've seen plenty of evidence for.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he starts rambling more lies about the virus.
alex jones
If you're just an average person and under 70 and aren't sick, you're not going to have a big problem.
But if you're exposed to the different variants of it, and there's at least two different strains...
One is super deadly compared to the other, but is only on surfaces.
The other is not very dangerous and is airborne.
Still, you've got to worry about the medical workers and the police, the military, and the rest of it.
dan friesen
So, on our last episode, we heard Alex claiming that there were ten strains of the virus, and now there's just two that he's talking about.
Seems weird.
Maybe ten numbers or something he made up because he was rambling and talking shit.
Speaking of talking shit, this stuff he's saying about two strains is not something that is a scientific consensus.
There is preliminary research that suggests that there's what's called the S strain, which is the ancestral strain, the original one that jumped from animal to human, which at some point mutated into the L strain, which appears to be better adapted to jump from human to human.
When it's called the more aggressive strain, this is a reference to its ability to transmit from person to person, not because it causes a more severe illness.
The Guardian reported on March 11th that, quote, it is not yet clear whether the two strains cause different severity of disease.
Alex has heard a few words, like more aggressive and two strains, and he's just creating a story out of that that fits his needs.
Whether or not studies do eventually show that there are, in fact, two distinct strains of the virus and that one causes a more severe illness, it doesn't matter.
Right now, Alex is just making shit up.
jordan holmes
It feels a little bit like our language itself is at fault for so much disinformation.
When you say, oh, it's aggressive, for epidemiologists, that means one thing.
And for people who aren't epidemiologists, that seems to mean a completely different thing to them.
They'll interpret it.
dan friesen
A perfect example is every single time Alex uses a headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That article from 2015 about the gain-of-function study on a coronavirus causing debate is a perfectly accurate headline.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it also, when Alex lies about it, it perfectly fits his propaganda narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's almost like they should have to make up complete...
Random nonsense words in order to describe something.
Instead of calling it a gain of function, it's a flip-flop.
That's the only way that people won't confuse it for bullshit.
dan friesen
I don't feel like it's the expert's responsibility to adapt their behavior to propagandists.
jordan holmes
It shouldn't be.
dan friesen
Well, fair enough.
So, Alex, I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just him selling his zinc, which he's pushing a bit now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a surprise.
dan friesen
But Alex is kind of mad that the media He's saying there's going to be a lot of deaths.
jordan holmes
He just said there was going to be a lot of deaths.
dan friesen
You might believe that, yes.
unidentified
We played it!
jordan holmes
It didn't get lost in the cloud.
The AI didn't steal that clip.
dan friesen
No, rollerball.
jordan holmes
You still played it.
dan friesen
Rollerball.
alex jones
Even if 2,000 people died, it's going to be the end of the world with a hysteria.
Hell, one person's sick in a town.
Everyone runs in fear.
Some estimates are in the hundreds of thousands.
The media and press conferences says 3 million.
There's no evidence of that.
The number keeps going down and down.
dan friesen
So the media isn't saying there's going to be 3 million deaths in the United States from coronavirus.
They're covering a March 16th report from Imperial College that estimated that if literally nothing was done, it could result in 2.2 million deaths in the United States and 510,000 in The report prefaces this prediction by saying, quote, So that's kind of the setup.
It's the unlikely nothing is done.
Alex and Mike Adams have misused Imperial College estimates in the past.
They were talking about 50,000 new cases a day in China.
So they should be totally on board for this.
Except now he's trying to downplay the virus or something.
So it's kind of just the media is being hysterical.
But unfortunately, I listened to Alex's show.
alex jones
The Pentagon believes with the numbers they have.
That they could have up to 3 million dead people in the next six months here in the United States from the coronavirus.
mike adams
Well, if you infect half of America, which is pretty typical for a flu, 2% comes out to roughly 3.3 million dead Americans.
alex jones
I mean, I might have an Army lieutenant colonel in my house once a year or something, just on some other business that I was doing and taking care of.
This guy retired about a year ago.
He's there.
I had to leave to work.
He's in there having coffee with my wife.
She calls me and says, hey, I don't want to travel anymore.
He's saying the Pentagon thinks three million are going to die.
They're going to kill you and your family.
And most of us are already dead.
We'll all be getting cancer soon.
We'll all be sterile soon.
It's over.
mike adams
In my assessment, the bulk of the human race will not survive this.
Now, there can be lone survivors or small groups of survivors, and I think that that's the strategy we have to get to.
alex jones
It's CPAs, man!
jordan holmes
You just love that one.
mike adams
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
I've decided that my new signature bit...
jordan holmes
It's CPAs, man?
dan friesen
No, anytime I have a supercut of something, I gotta throw in something completely unrelated, just for fun.
So, don't call the media hysterical for talking about this three million thing when that was your bread and butter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You dick.
jordan holmes
This is abuse.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel abused.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This show is fucking nothing is real.
dan friesen
No, of course not.
jordan holmes
Not even from day to day, from hour to hour.
dan friesen
Important thing though, Jordan.
Don't panic.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Listen, listen, listen.
If we lost a million, we lost the Civil War back when our population was 20% of what it is now.
If we lost a million...
And don't panic about it.
It's sad.
You know, it's not good.
But if you have a Great Depression, you can pull up the university studies.
7 million.
Pull up the articles.
University studies.
7 million starved to death from malnutrition and Great Depression.
7 million people in the 10-year Great Depression or 11-year Great Depression ended up starving to death, they estimate.
So if the whole society collapses...
That is not good.
And the food's going to run out.
So, again, it's like where you get startled and then fall down the stairs and break your neck because your wife says, hey, honey, and you fall down the stairs and break your neck or have a heart attack.
And I see that's what is unfolding.
And it's just the getting into it and the hysteria and the fear.
dan friesen
This is so wild.
So anyway, he brings back up the 7 million died of starvation.
And he has the board operators try to find a citation for him.
And look what happens.
alex jones
Yeah, there it is.
Famine killed 7 million people in the USA.
And that's Pravda.Russia.
In the old days, you couldn't believe Pravda.
But I don't even believe it because it's in mainstream media.
But I read that.
I think it was the University of Chicago.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
There you go.
dan friesen
No, you didn't.
No, you didn't read it from the University of Chicago study.
You read it from fucking Pravda.
Or, maybe not, just some other source of Boris Borisov's claims.
jordan holmes
You know how people know about how many people who starve to death in Russia?
You know how we know about it?
It's a very famous thing that we know.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because it's historically...
dan friesen
And it's something that Alex has yelled about a bunch.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Now, don't you think that if a similar number of people had starved to death here, we wouldn't be just finding out about it from Alex Jones?
Pretty sure that would be a thing that we are taught as...
dan friesen
Nah, man, because the globalists...
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, never mind.
dan friesen
Rollerball.
jordan holmes
I take it back.
dan friesen
So Alex goes to some calls and he gets a caller that wants to give him an advertising strategy and how to...
jordan holmes
Alex, I'd like to help you commit a crime.
dan friesen
I'd like to help you market your brand in this time of difficulty.
unidentified
Thanks so much for taking my call.
Real quick, I want to tell all your viewers to do what I've done.
And that's I took $10.
I got a yard sign and a can of spray paint and some pencils.
I have COVID-19 as 1984 on one sign.
And Infowars.com on the other.
So to all your viewers, we've got to spread the message.
alex jones
Listen, I'll hold you over so you have more time, but I've been thinking about having callers call in.
What's a t-shirt or a bumper sticker or just something we ask everybody to put up?
jordan holmes
I need to steal ideas!
alex jones
To describe it.
And yes, COVID-19 is...
jordan holmes
I don't have it!
alex jones
COVID-19 equals 1984.
You just nailed it.
dan friesen
You're going to get people killed.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So another caller calls in later and he's like, you were close on that one, but it should be COVID-1984.
Good punch-up, buddy.
Good punch-up.
unidentified
The answer to 1984 is COVID-1984.
dan friesen
Look, I hate the caller who did punch-up a little less, because at least that was a good suggestion.
If we're in the realm where we're talking about that sign, that is a better sign.
jordan holmes
That is a better sign.
dan friesen
So this caller, because he's given Alex a marketing...
Opportunity.
jordan holmes
He's got a job.
dan friesen
Well, he at least gets to say something stupid.
He gets to hang on the line until he gets to give a completely baseless theory that makes no sense.
unidentified
I've got one more major point.
Do you remember the Las Vegas shooting back in October of 17?
alex jones
Yes, I do.
unidentified
Okay, if you remember, Trump banned bump stocks after that that went into effect in March of 19. And then we started learning the CDC started hiring in November of 19 for all these quarantine officers.
So it's all connected, Alex, because they didn't want you to be able to get bump stocks to prepare for the martial law.
alex jones
Well, I know this.
This country is in a fight for its very future.
The president's surrounded by people that won't implement his policies.
dan friesen
Ah, yes.
Bump stocks.
The crucial element of surviving this coming tyranny.
jordan holmes
Well, I know this.
Sir, shut up.
dan friesen
I would love for there just to become like a moment where Alex has a break and he's just like, listen, that's stupid.
We're trying to create panic, and we're trying to, you know, I love all this fear.
Great.
I love conspiracies.
I would love anything that gives a different narrative about the Las Vegas shooting, but that's dumb.
That is dumb.
You are, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you want him to have that happy, or the Billy Madison moment of just like, if you, sir, have wasted everybody's time, and may God have mercy on your soul.
That kind of thing, yeah.
dan friesen
Or even, like, I've listened to a number of episodes of Bill Cooper's show where he talks to callers and he's like, you have no proof for that.
Like, he will just push back on people.
I want Alex...
I know that he'd never do it because it would hurt his ability to keep people in the fold and sell them stupid shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, I would love it if you just tee off on some of these assholes because they're so dumb.
I'm not...
I don't hate them because they're dumb.
These things that they're saying, some of them are legitimately publicly dangerous.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Some of them are just like, oh, this would be so good.
It's like a setup.
Just spike the ball.
unidentified
Spike the ball.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Bump stocks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what the government's after.
dan friesen
So this guy, obviously, not a high-level intelligence source.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like that.
dan friesen
But Alex does have one of them, or did have one on the phone, but maybe they got cold feet.
alex jones
Alright, we had a federal officer on with some info, but they got cold feet and hung up.
You're not giving out any secret information.
We've already got a form of martial law by the corporations, by the Democrats in their areas.
dan friesen
So the driving point of Alex's coverage in these couple of days is definitely that martial law is already here, and it's the Democrats and the globalists doing it.
On the one hand, this is a mess for Alex because he's always been pretty clear that when martial law is happening, it's time to start a revolutionary war.
But leaving that aside, there's another really serious problem with what Alex is suggesting, namely that he's suggesting that the left is responsible for making these martial law moves.
Perhaps Alex would like to try and explain some new reporting.
Politico reported on Saturday that Trump's Department of Justice, run by his good buddy Bill Barr, had, quote, quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies.
It's really staggering, the level of control the DOJ was requesting.
From that Politico article, quote, In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the Attorney General power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.
Also from that article, quote, So that means you would be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over.
I find it absolutely terrifying.
Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.
Alex Jones, the champion of civil liberties, will not likely cover this story.
He wants Trump to become a dictator.
He's been very clear about it.
Alex doesn't care about civil liberties for their own sake.
They were always a means to an end for him.
And it was an issue that was central to the popularity of people like Ron Paul, so he had to push it really hard.
It's always been a Trojan horse, and circumstances like this are really just dropping the masks.
If Alex doesn't come out and immediately completely reverse course on Trump after his Department of Justice is asking for the power to detain people indefinitely without trial, he should fucking throw in the towel on everything he's ever pretended to stand for because that shit is over.
But we'll see.
I mean, that happened on Saturday, and this is Friday's episode.
But it's comical, the idea that he's trying to say that the globalists on the left is doing all this stuff, and Trump is a heroic force fighting against it, when there's all of these instances of Trump doing the exact things that he normally would be screaming about.
He's the villain of Alex's story.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It is amazing to me exactly how much Trump is doing what they said Obama was doing and lost their minds over it.
dan friesen
I still don't think that even if Trump does all of the negative things he may do, that he automatically becomes king and all the senators become dukes.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that.
That might be true.
That might be true, Dan.
You don't know.
You haven't read the Constitution.
It's too big.
dan friesen
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
It's impossible to read the whole thing.
That's science.
dan friesen
So Alex talks here about how he's played that clip of Gavin Newsom a ton on the show, and he hasn't.
alex jones
Clinics in California during lockdown, the governor has basically put you under martial law.
40 million people are told to leave their homes unless for essential things.
And the reporter goes, well, why don't you just do martial law?
And he goes, it's a subtlety, honey.
We are under martial law.
jordan holmes
He did not say honey.
alex jones
Three times earlier.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he's played the clip, but it doesn't say what he's saying there.
He's misrepresenting it.
jordan holmes
And he's turning Newsom into a misogynist somehow as well.
dan friesen
Very dishy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Mike Adams comes on.
And Mike Adams, I think, actually has a pretty interesting position at this point.
I don't agree with almost anything he's saying, but he does believe that these quarantine things are necessary.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
So he is at least at the point of...
A push and pull going that I'm fine with, but I don't want from him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
mike adams
The thing is, we now have to prepare to fight for our civil liberties.
As we endure the lockdown and isolation that is medically necessary or epidemiologically necessary.
alex jones
That's what I've been saying, and people try to say we're disagreeing.
I don't.
dan friesen
That is not what you've been saying.
jordan holmes
That is not what he's been saying.
dan friesen
So Mike is saying that this lockdown and these sorts of things are necessary.
Otherwise, we're going to be in a really, really bad situation with the virus, which I appreciate him at least having that position.
Now, he's also saying that we need to protect our civil liberties in the course of that.
And my response to that would be, go talk to Trump, dick.
But, at the same time, that is a relevant conversation.
Maintaining civil liberties while at the same time doing this necessary thing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I will openly accept that conversation and the difficulties in finding a solution or a conclusion that we can all feel comfortable with from anybody but anyone who's ever been on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
They do not have the credibility for me to even respect that conversation for one fucking second from them.
And I am repulsed by that.
I do appreciate that Mike is saying that this is necessary.
Because in the world of Infowars assholes, that is monumental.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, the one person that I really don't want to hear from on this right now, more so than Alex, is Mike Adams.
And somehow he's the one who has...
dan friesen
Well, no, I mean, I'm not going to play a lot of the other things.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean, this particular thing he says.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Our last clip today from the March 20th episode is Mike being...
Equally wrong.
mike adams
Alex, my confession and my error in all of this is I have vastly understated the criticality, the extent of this problem.
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
That's understated.
jordan holmes
That's a shot in a chaser, I believe is what that's called.
dan friesen
It's understated.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
Okay, buddy.
dan friesen
So, we come to the end of this, and I think that Alex is...
I think that the...
You know, it's not as painful as I expected it to be.
You know, it is in some ways.
There's a lot of this stuff that is like, well, this is pretty dangerous.
And if people listen to this as opposed to experts, they run the risk of stymieing the efforts of the country getting through this successfully.
There's also a lot of stupid shit along the way, and I can always enjoy finding that, hey, Alex said that this 7 million people starved in the Great Depression.
Oh, that comes from Pravda trying to justify Soviets.
jordan holmes
I mean, you used to not be able to trust Pravda, but I read about it before Pravda, from the University of...
dan friesen
Right, so you have stuff like that, and that can keep my interest, and I appreciate little things like that being there.
And then at the same time, you just got this overwhelming sense of like, okay, The bottom line is the reason you think that the globalists released this virus is because they wanted to destroy the economy to embarrass Trump.
And your only defense you can ever give for that is fucking Bill Maher.
That's fun to think about.
And the fact that Alex thinks that every single goddamn movie is real.
jordan holmes
He really thinks they're real.
Especially Rollerball.
dan friesen
Rollerball.
jordan holmes
How about Death Race?
dan friesen
What does Alex think about the remake?
jordan holmes
The LL Cool J Rollerball.
What about Death Race 2000 with Jason Statham?
There are hard-hitting questions that we need answered.
dan friesen
What does he think about Crank?
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
What do you think about Jason Statham's entire career?
dan friesen
We may never know.
But, I don't know.
We'll be back.
I hope everyone out there is doing alright with the circumstances, and I hope you all are...
I don't know.
I don't want to sound too maudlin or anything, but I hope you're taking care of yourselves and each other.
I appreciate all the nice messages that we've received about us doing alright.
We are doing okay here in Chicago for the time being.
But thank you for your concerns.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
You're right.
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes, download, rate, review, donate to the show, do the whole thing.
We'd love it.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the juiciest ice cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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