Knowledge Fight - #398: February 9-10, 2020
Aired: 2020-02-12
Duration: 01:59:57


=== Valentine's Correction (12:01) ===

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[00:00:20]  It's time to pray.
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[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
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[00:00:29]  Knowledge fighter.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
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[00:00:42]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fake fan color in my house fans.
[00:00:52]  I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about what's going on with that weirdo, Alex Jones.
[00:01:08]  Indeed, we are, Dan.
[00:01:10]  We're the weirdos who talk about that weirdo, Alex Jones.
[00:01:13]  Yeah, which one of us is weirder?
[00:01:15]  That is a good question.
[00:01:16]  I have a question for you, though.
[00:01:18]  Great.
[00:01:19]  Love questions.
[00:01:20]  Can't get enough of them.
[00:01:21]  Have you received a Valentine as an adult?
[00:01:24]  Probably, yeah, but you think so?
[00:01:26]  Yeah.
[00:01:26]  I mean, when do you become an adult?
[00:01:29]  Well, when was the last time you got a Valentine?
[00:01:31]  I don't know.
[00:01:32]  It's been a while.
[00:01:33]  Probably a while.
[00:01:34]  Yeah.
[00:01:34]  I don't know.
[00:01:35]  In relationships in the past, there have been like little Valentines.
[00:01:38]  Yeah, like a card?
[00:01:39]  I mean, I consider when you say Valentine, I really think of like it has to be something that you're not seeing the person.
[00:01:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:01:47]  It has to be someone who you're not in a relationship with.
[00:01:50]  Okay.
[00:01:51]  Okay.
[00:01:51]  I feel like in school, that was always in the context of you being in a relationship.
[00:01:56]  It was just you give the whole class.
[00:01:58]  Yeah.
[00:01:59]  Everybody got a Valentine.
[00:02:01]  Yeah.
[00:02:02]  And then you get into high school and it evolves to like there are people you can buy roses from.
[00:02:08]  Ooh, I know.
[00:02:08]  That's so great.
[00:02:09]  But then that's in a relationship.
[00:02:11]  Right.
[00:02:11]  Hopefully.
[00:02:15]  It can go real bad.
[00:02:16]  I don't know.
[00:02:17]  The dynamics of Valentine giving has always struck me as a little weird.
[00:02:21]  Right?
[00:02:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:21]  I don't know if it's ever been something I've put too much steak into her interest.
[00:02:26]  But I don't know.
[00:02:27]  I got a nice card from a girlfriend 10 years ago.
[00:02:30]  Well, that's great.
[00:02:31]  That's nice.
[00:02:32]  I've gotten an adult Valentine.
[00:02:34]  No?
[00:02:35]  never.
[00:02:35]  I mean a card.
[00:02:36]  I've always thought of a Valentine as a card.
[00:02:38]  Right.
[00:02:39]  You know, like, hey, you go out to dinner.
[00:02:41]  That's not a Valentine.
[00:02:43]  Right.
[00:02:43]  Right.
[00:02:44]  You're really materialistic, though.
[00:02:46]  Yeah, that's what I'm about.
[00:02:47]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:48]  You're all about the money and the things.
[00:02:50]  Absolutely.
[00:02:51]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:02:52]  Every kiss begins with Hallmark, is what I say.
[00:02:54]  It seems like it's definitely something that is more less relevant.
[00:03:00]  Yeah.
[00:03:00]  I guess you could say less relevant in adulthood.
[00:03:03]  Yeah.
[00:03:04]  I did not care.
[00:03:05]  Absolutely.
[00:03:05]  So this podcast where I don't know much about adult Valentining, and also I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:03:10]  And I don't know anything about either.
[00:03:12]  Right, Jordan.
[00:03:13]  So today we are still in the present because this shit is getting wild.
[00:03:16]  Of course.
[00:03:17]  Today we're going over February 9th and a little bit of the 10th, 2020.
[00:03:21]  I'm Dan.
[00:03:22]  This is 2020.
[00:03:23]  Damn it.
[00:03:24]  And that's the Sunday show and a little bit of Monday.
[00:03:27]  Monday's not very interesting, but Sunday is fascinating.
[00:03:30]  Okay, okay.
[00:03:31]  So we'll be going over that and I'm excited to get to that.
[00:03:34]  But before we do, we're going to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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[00:04:13]  Maybe an old school fan.
[00:04:15]  Maybe an old fan of the movie Old School.
[00:04:18]  Okay, I was assuming you were going to go towards Daba Deeing and Daba Dying.
[00:04:22]  No, I was going to go with you're my boy, Blue.
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[00:05:41]  Also, I got to give a thank you to a listener who reached out to me because they gave me a little bit of a correction or at least pointed something out that I got wrong and I need to make a little correction about our last question.
[00:05:53]  Gotcha.
[00:05:53]  Gotcha.
[00:05:54]  So on our last episode, I responded to Mike Adams citing a stat from Neil Ferguson about the coronavirus outbreak, and I made an incorrect assumption.
[00:06:03]  Because there's someone named Neil Ferguson, who's come on Alex's show a bit in the past and is from the UK, who'd recently written an op-ed about the coronavirus, I assumed that that was the Neil Ferguson that Mike was referring to.
[00:06:17]  As this listener, ironically named Alex, pointed out, there is another Neil Ferguson who is an actual public health expert from Imperial College London, and I apologize that I got that wrong.
[00:06:28]  So because I dismiss the claims that were made based on believing them to have come from a humanities professor, it's only right that I take a look at them now, given that they're supposedly coming from someone whose opinion is a little more valid on the subject.
[00:06:40]  Sure.
[00:06:41]  A couple of important qualifications here are that Ferguson's number is an estimate.
[00:06:46]  And in the interview where he expresses this estimate, he also says that they don't know enough to be sure.
[00:06:51]  Even if there are as many cases as he is estimating, he's also very specifically talking about people who come down with very mild forms of the virus who may not even know they have it and may not even be contagious.
[00:07:03]  In the interview, Ferguson doesn't get into the modeling too much or explain how his estimate was reached.
[00:07:09]  Also, notably, he's not freaked out about it.
[00:07:11]  And it's almost a side thought in the conversation.
[00:07:13]  That's not even something that's nailed on too much, but it's the piece of the conversation that is taken and applied all over the place.
[00:07:21]  Yeah.
[00:07:22]  Even if what Ferguson is estimating is accurate, which he's not even concretely saying, it doesn't justify the way Mike Adams was using that figure.
[00:07:32]  For instance, Mike took that 50,000 new infections number that Ferguson was estimating, and he connected it with the 15% mortality rate from the Lancet study to say that China would be looking at 7,500 deaths a day.
[00:07:47]  The cases that were a part of Ferguson's estimate were largely very mild cases and not the ones that would lead to deaths.
[00:07:53]  Whereas the Lancet study was a breakdown of 41 patients who presented already having pneumonia.
[00:07:59]  So those are the severe cases, and it's an inappropriate use of these statistics.
[00:08:03]  In another article from February 10th in The Telegraph, Ferguson said, quote, our estimates, while subject to much uncertainty due to the limited data currently available, suggest that the impact of the unfolding epidemic may be comparable to the major influenza pandemics of the 20th century, which is to say swine flu.
[00:08:21]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:21]  That sort of thing.
[00:08:22]  Not great.
[00:08:23]  Yeah, that's to say that it is a serious public health issue, but it's not an apocalyptic event.
[00:08:28]  The way Mike Adams is trying to use Ferguson's estimates to suggest.
[00:08:31]  Right.
[00:08:32]  Anyway, I apologize for mixing up the Neil Fergusons.
[00:08:35]  I made a little bit of a hasty assumption based on a familiar name popping up, and I'll be sure to be more careful about that in the future.
[00:08:41]  Point still remains.
[00:08:43]  Mike Adams is out of line.
[00:08:44]  It's unfair.
[00:08:45]  One of those Neil Fergusons needs to relinquish their British citizenship.
[00:08:49]  Otherwise, we will be confused forever.
[00:08:51]  Or just relinquish the name.
[00:08:53]  And I would say that it should be the humanities professor.
[00:08:55]  He's been on Infowars.
[00:08:56]  Let's rename him.
[00:08:57]  Anyway, I just wanted to get that out of the way up top because you bungled a little something.
[00:09:03]  Anyway, and also thank you to listener Alex for pointing that out.
[00:09:06]  I really appreciate it.
[00:09:07]  Thank you very much.
[00:09:08]  So we start here on February 9th, and I should say that prior to this clip, the show started, and it started with 311.
[00:09:20]  The band 311?
[00:09:21]  Oh, okay.
[00:09:23]  Today seems like a good day.
[00:09:25]  Oh, boy.
[00:09:26]  Why did it start with 311?
[00:09:28]  Alex is a fan of the family.
[00:09:30]  I like them.
[00:09:31]  Alex's fake reggae nonsense.
[00:09:33]  Hold on.
[00:09:33]  Hold on.
[00:09:34]  You're making a much like I did on the last episode.
[00:09:36]  All right.
[00:09:36]  You're making a hasty assumption.
[00:09:38]  Wait, so the band 311 is in studio?
[00:09:40]  No.
[00:09:40]  Just play some 311 music, and Alex is having a tough time.
[00:09:46]  Okay.
[00:09:46]  Well, well, well, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Alex Jones, your host.
[00:09:51]  Just to clarify even further, the 311 plays, then there's silence, and then we get this Star Wars music pickup.
[00:09:58]  And I'm going to start the show at the beginning of the next segment.
[00:10:01]  It's a new pastime, a new thing we do here.
[00:10:04]  Hell will be a good idea.
[00:10:05]  Not starting the show.
[00:10:06]  Again, I'm not ready to start the show.
[00:10:09]  And that's just the way it is.
[00:10:15]  If the broadcast starts with music that sounds like we're sitting back drinking pina coladas and just woke up in the Garden of Eden before the serpent, well, it just makes me.
[00:10:25]  That's what 311 is.
[00:10:26]  I'm in the middle of a total fight for the complete future of human civilization.
[00:10:34]  311 does this.
[00:10:36]  That's where we are right now.
[00:10:38]  All right.
[00:10:38]  Listen, I don't like 311.
[00:10:40]  I don't like 311 either.
[00:10:41]  I don't hate 311 as much as I might have when I was a little younger, but I don't.
[00:10:46]  This is an overreaction.
[00:10:48]  I do hate 311.
[00:10:49]  Specifically, you heard me.
[00:10:50]  I was singing along with Fascination Street before we started the show.
[00:10:54]  Shouldn't sing along with it.
[00:10:55]  I was just singing it.
[00:10:57]  And 311's cover of Love Song I will never forgive them for.
[00:11:00]  So it's annoying.
[00:11:01]  It's not the color of your energy.
[00:11:03]  Terrible.
[00:11:03]  Hate them.
[00:11:04]  Hate them.
[00:11:05]  Hate 311.
[00:11:06]  Yep.
[00:11:07]  The end.
[00:11:09]  He's trying to figure out a way to work Beautiful Disaster into a sentence.
[00:11:14]  I don't even like that you know 311 songs.
[00:11:16]  I like to get high for a while back when I was younger.
[00:11:20]  Loved it.
[00:11:20]  I don't know if I ever.
[00:11:21]  I think those timelines made me do a spit day.
[00:11:24]  I don't think those timelines are accurate, though, because I think I might have liked 311 before I was old enough that I was smoking weed.
[00:11:32]  Right, right.
[00:11:33]  Not sure.
[00:11:33]  Anyway, who cares?
[00:11:34]  Yes.
[00:11:35]  This is a podcast where we get to the bottom of this.
[00:11:38]  311 throws Alex off to an extent where he has to restart the show.
[00:11:42]  That's hilarious.
[00:11:43]  Which is awesome.
[00:11:45]  Anyway, Alex gets into talking about his main story, of course, the coronavirus.
[00:11:52]  Naturally.
[00:11:53]  He gets into it a little bit, but thankfully.
[00:11:57]  It is not the main focus of a ton of this episode.
[00:12:00]  Oh, that's good.
[00:12:01]  We will get other topics to discuss.

=== Praise and Critiques in Global Health (07:52) ===

[00:12:03]  I assume he's sold out of a lot of stuff then.
[00:12:06]  You know, you got to kind of think that that might be a good idea.
[00:12:10]  So it's nice to have some other topics to talk about, but of course, he has to keep that ball in the air.
[00:12:14]  He has to keep juggling it.
[00:12:16]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:16]  So he touches on it a little bit here.
[00:12:18]  I'm obsessed with the coronavirus because it is man-made, and they're acting really sneaky about it.
[00:12:24]  And they're not just doing this martial law thing to create a precedent and get us scared.
[00:12:31]  They're like, oh, don't be scared, but we've got martial law in place.
[00:12:34]  And the UN is praising Xi Ji Ping for killing people in the streets at checkpoints.
[00:12:39]  So a couple quick points on this last clip here.
[00:12:43]  One, Alex is obsessed with the virus because he's seeing a drastic increase in his sales.
[00:12:48]  He's already said that his immune gargle sold out.
[00:12:50]  And if you go to MyPatriot Supply's website, they're saying they have a 12 times increased order volume.
[00:12:55]  Surprise.
[00:12:56]  Now, naturally, not all of those sales are coming through Alex, since they also sponsor pretty much all of the big right-wing alarmists, including Glenn Beck.
[00:13:03]  But it's clear that Alex's share of the sales are rising.
[00:13:07]  Two, any government that decides to enact martial law probably doesn't care too much about there being a precedent.
[00:13:12]  That's kind of silly.
[00:13:14]  Also, this fails to take into account that quarantining cities already has a long precedent.
[00:13:19]  In 2014, the city of Yumen in China was put into lockdown after a man there died of the bubonic plague.
[00:13:25]  During the SARS outbreak in 2003, while they didn't quarantine a whole city, Canada quarantined over 30,000 people in Toronto, even though they only had 250 probable cases of the virus.
[00:13:37]  The experts don't believe that strict and enforced large-scale quarantines are the best way to deal with outbreaks, but also they really can't stop a country from doing them.
[00:13:45]  If there were some international ban on quarantining, Alex would claim that it was the globalists infringing on a country's sovereign right to lock down a city if they wanted to.
[00:13:53]  So it really is all just nonsense.
[00:13:55]  God, can you imagine if governments listened to experts?
[00:13:58]  That would be hilarious.
[00:13:59]  That would be wild.
[00:14:00]  It would be an insane world we'd live in.
[00:14:02]  So there are international health regulations that countries have agreed to, but the issue is that they are not enforceable.
[00:14:10]  So the third thing, third point about that clip, is that there's no evidence I can find that the video involving the alleged woman who'd been shot at a checkpoint has been verified.
[00:14:21]  This is just something that Alex saw that someone had tweeted, and I have no idea if it's real or current.
[00:14:26]  I don't know what the truth is there, and neither does Alex.
[00:14:29]  He's assuming that it's real without any confirmation or journalistic due diligence.
[00:14:34]  And to the larger point, people are not applauding China for instituting a quarantine and all these brutal crackdowns and all this.
[00:14:40]  And actually, what they're doing is likely a part of a complicated balancing act.
[00:14:45]  Because those international health regulations are not enforceable, they're completely up to each country to abide by them willingly.
[00:14:52]  If a country doesn't cooperate in a crisis, that crisis is going to be impossible to deal with, and that affects the whole world.
[00:14:58]  So while there is growing evidence of a lack of transparency on China's part, potentially, and of course, there are definite questions about whether or not the quarantining of millions of people is a great idea, the praise that people, like the head of the World Health Organization, are expressing are not about those issues.
[00:15:16]  We are in a public health emergency, just broadly speaking.
[00:15:22]  And successful navigation of that emergency depends on China's cooperation.
[00:15:27]  Vox interviewed a couple experts about this, and I think that their perspective is helpful in understanding some of these public statements that people have been making.
[00:15:34]  For one, it's very important that China identified and sent out the genome of this virus in prompt fashion.
[00:15:40]  So that is something that is worthy of praise.
[00:15:42]  And, you know, you can hang your hat on that.
[00:15:45]  That's fine.
[00:15:46]  Nah, Alex said they didn't.
[00:15:47]  Sure.
[00:15:48]  But the issue comes down to diplomacy.
[00:15:51]  Debi Shridar, the chair of the Global Public Health University of Edinburgh, told Vox, quote, the World Health Organization has a difficult balancing act.
[00:16:02]  They have to somehow retain being the lead coordinator and director of international health work, and the trade-offs they are having to make are about the greater good.
[00:16:12]  Right now, the greater good is to create positive incentives for countries to collaborate with the World Health Organization, to share data, to let missions into China.
[00:16:21]  If that means publicly having to praise China, I understand it.
[00:16:25]  Lawrence Gostin, a global health law professor at Georgetown, said, quote, if the World Health Organization criticizes China publicly, it's possible they can be less transparent, less cooperative.
[00:16:36]  If I was in Tedros, the head of the World Health Organization, if I was in his shoes, I'm not entirely sure I would do anything differently.
[00:16:44]  This is a really complicated kind of thing, and the reality is that these international health regulations are great, and people agree to them after outbreaks are resolved.
[00:16:53]  And then they're pretty quickly ignored whenever a new one pops up.
[00:16:56]  Isn't that surprising?
[00:16:57]  For instance, restricting entry of people from affected areas is counter to those regulations.
[00:17:02]  But every time there's a public health event, countries are quick to breach this norm.
[00:17:06]  Mark Eccleson Turner, a global health law professor at Peel University in England, told Vox, quote, the international health regulation operates on mutual trust largely.
[00:17:17]  And it is a mutual trust.
[00:17:20]  That mutual trust has been eroded over a number of outbreaks where member states have ignored the recommendations from the World Health Organization.
[00:17:28]  I think it's possible that we have at times painted too rosy a picture of the coronavirus situation, but that's just because I'm responding to the claims that Alex makes, which are sensationalist trash.
[00:17:38]  When you're dealing with a guy who's saying garbage like, It's over for humanity.
[00:17:44]  There will only be lone survivors.
[00:17:46]  And you pair that with embarrassing sales tactics, I have no qualms about saying that it's just trash and garbage.
[00:17:52]  That said, it's important to recognize that serious people do have some critiques about China's handling of the outbreak.
[00:17:57]  They just don't match up with what Alex is saying.
[00:18:00]  And so when you hear people like the heads of the World Health Organization saying like we applaud China and something, there is a dynamic of there are things to applaud, and it's not wrong to point those things out.
[00:18:11]  And if you don't do that, you have a state that has the ability to stop cooperating, and you run the risk of making everything worse for the world.
[00:18:20]  All of these issues are best to be dealt with after the immediacy of the situation is handled.
[00:18:28]  How do you get any strongman, powerful dictator on your side?
[00:18:34]  You flatter the shit out of them.
[00:18:35]  We see it with Stevie Pease and Alex all the time.
[00:18:38]  So the World Health Organization going to China and being like, you guys are doing great.
[00:18:43]  Everything, you guys have been kicking ass.
[00:18:45]  We love it.
[00:18:46]  Help us, help you.
[00:18:47]  That whole thing is going to be far more effective than being like, here's what you're doing wrong.
[00:18:51]  Stop, stop, stop.
[00:18:52]  Change it to this.
[00:18:54]  And do I wish that wasn't the case?
[00:18:56]  Of course.
[00:18:57]  But it's unfortunately the people who understand the situation and the experts are pretty clear on that.
[00:19:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:04]  Which, again, no government pays any attention to anybody who knows what's going on, i.e. climate change.
[00:19:10]  But the optics of this are perfect because Alex can say that the World Health Organization and these leaders are applauding China and pretend that what they're applauding is all of the meme videos that he's seen and all of the harsh crackdown of the quarantine.
[00:19:26]  And that's just not fair.
[00:19:28]  Alex is playing with optics in a way that's, I mean, just deceitful.
[00:19:31]  Yeah.
[00:19:33]  So Alex, uh, he, he's really, I don't know how to just set this up other than to say like, he really hates three 11.

=== DOD's Quarantine Space Agreement (10:08) ===

[00:19:40]  Thank you.
[00:19:41]  They have been trying to plunge the stock market using this information.
[00:19:47]  We're in the economic war.
[00:19:48]  They have not been successful, but they're going to try very, very hard this week.
[00:19:56]  So we're going to be going over all of it coming up when we start the broadcast at the start of the next segment.
[00:20:06]  I mean, right now, you might as well just wind your watches.
[00:20:09]  Might as well check the weather, look at the thermometer.
[00:20:14]  I don't know, go to the refrigerator.
[00:20:16]  What are we doing here?
[00:20:17]  Get a glass of ice water.
[00:20:19]  You're on air.
[00:20:20]  Just kill him, Tom.
[00:20:21]  You're on air.
[00:20:22]  Big giant compendium of information ready to launch, ready to trigger.
[00:20:27]  And I've got it on the runway right there.
[00:20:31]  And that's why we're going to come back with something fitting for a moment like this.
[00:20:37]  Trioxin 9.
[00:20:40]  We're going to start the broadcast over.
[00:20:43]  And it's all going to be Peachy King after that point.
[00:20:49]  And I'm going to knock it out of the park.
[00:20:51]  Thanks to all of you and all of your support.
[00:20:54]  I don't know.
[00:20:57]  You know, it's like you got Labrador retrievers and you're breeding them and you have Labrador Retriever puppies.
[00:21:02]  But then they have puppies and it'd say poodles come out.
[00:21:04]  You know, that music was satanic.
[00:21:10]  Now, right back, stay with us.
[00:21:15]  Alex wasted like six minutes on air because of 311.
[00:21:19]  You know what?
[00:21:20]  Now I will finally be able to answer.
[00:21:22]  When people are like, would you want to talk to Alex Jones?
[00:21:24]  I'd be like, yes, at a bar and only about 311.
[00:21:27]  Yeah, and I would bring Peanut along.
[00:21:29]  Exactly.
[00:21:31]  Hexham.
[00:21:32]  Man, he's really affected by 3-11.
[00:21:34]  Yeah, and it's tragic, too, because I would associate people who like 3-11 with being susceptible to InfoWars propaganda.
[00:21:43]  I don't know if that's the case.
[00:21:44]  Maybe I'm making way too broad a generalization, but I would say they're subject to Doug Benson's form of comedy more than anything else.
[00:21:54]  Yeah.
[00:21:55]  So Alex gets back from break and he starts the real show.
[00:21:59]  And on this, the beginning of the real show, he's talking about some issues.
[00:22:04]  And one of them, it turns out, is Rush Limbaugh, who has come down with some cancer and got a Medal of Freedom.
[00:22:11]  Great.
[00:22:11]  So Alex says.
[00:22:12]  Why is America?
[00:22:13]  Alex has some very weird feelings about this.
[00:22:16]  Yeah.
[00:22:16]  I think he's trying to express a certain amount of like, you know, we feel bad for him.
[00:22:22]  Sure.
[00:22:23]  At the same time, he also seems to think like, once he dies, I'm going to get him.
[00:22:28]  Where's my Medal of Freedom?
[00:22:29]  No, I'm going to get his radio stations when he dies.
[00:22:33]  Open phones, second hour of the Sunday show.
[00:22:37]  Then I'm going to go home and see my children.
[00:22:42]  And then I'm going to come back tomorrow into the 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. broadcast.
[00:22:46]  The 3.11 a.m.
[00:22:47]  Against poor Rush Limbaugh with his lung cancer.
[00:22:51]  And I got to tell you, you know, Trump's on the phone before said stuff like, you know, you're going to be the next Rush Limbaugh, they say.
[00:22:59]  And I'm like, well, actually, I'm more popular than Rush Limbaugh, but on terrestrial radio, you can say he's a lot bigger.
[00:23:06]  You could really fancy myself as the next Rush Limbaugh.
[00:23:09]  Kind of Rush Limbaugh has become what I talk about, a patriot nationalist, anti-new older guy.
[00:23:14]  That's not that far off.
[00:23:15]  He wouldn't even say the CFR existed.
[00:23:17]  But I got to tell you, we will probably get a lot of stations when Rush Limbaugh makes the jump into hyperspace.
[00:23:23]  And I do not have a good feeling about that.
[00:23:25]  But Rush has pretty much said it looks like he's terminal.
[00:23:27]  He might be able to stall it a while.
[00:23:29]  We hope he has a miracle.
[00:23:31]  And I sure as hell don't like the omen of Rush Limbaugh dying right before the 2020 election because he definitely helped Trump get elected in a big way.
[00:23:39]  So Alex is looking at this like a human.
[00:23:41]  Oh, man.
[00:23:42]  Oh, we're really sorry.
[00:23:45]  We hope he recovers.
[00:23:46]  When he dies, I'm going to get all of his shit.
[00:23:48]  So, we really, I'm not saying I don't want him to recover.
[00:23:52]  Sucks that Rush is dying before the election because we could have used him.
[00:23:54]  We could have helped.
[00:23:56]  And I'm going to get his stations, and that's great.
[00:23:58]  Man, that's not how it works.
[00:23:59]  He's also not.
[00:24:00]  There's a lot of other people in line for that time slot.
[00:24:04]  There are a hundred other big because the people who syndicate those time slots on all those stations are people who would never work with Alex.
[00:24:12]  Ever.
[00:24:13]  So there are people like Mark Levin or Hugh Hewitt or Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity.
[00:24:20]  Yeah.
[00:24:20]  Like there's plenty of people within that time slot that would Rush Limbaugh goes away.
[00:24:25]  Hannity takes over his time slot.
[00:24:28]  And it's just all over the place.
[00:24:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:30]  Or whatever.
[00:24:30]  You know, whatever the case is, Alex is not next in line.
[00:24:34]  There is no line that Alex is even in, let alone next in.
[00:24:38]  I don't think that there is a mass of radio stations that are like, fuck, we want to play Alex, but the time slot, he's against Rush.
[00:24:47]  It's the time slot.
[00:24:48]  That's it.
[00:24:49]  I don't think that's the whole problem.
[00:24:51]  I think there's three stations in the country that might have that dilemma.
[00:24:55]  So Alex is a real shithead.
[00:24:58]  I hate Rush and all this.
[00:24:59]  I'm not interested in celebrating him having cancer in any way.
[00:25:05]  I hate him, and I think that this is disgraceful.
[00:25:07]  This is bad.
[00:25:09]  So Alex has some other news about the coronavirus as it relates to the United States, and it's a load of shit.
[00:25:17]  Let me just, in the time I'm going to left this segment, tell you what I'm going to get to today.
[00:25:22]  First up, we have the quarantine centers set up at U.S. military bases, DOD reports.
[00:25:29]  That's Miami Herald.
[00:25:30]  We broke this almost two weeks ago, and I said they were establishing these and specifically where they were doing it.
[00:25:38]  And of course, we got to call fake news, but we have that directly from White House sources.
[00:25:43]  In the interest of clearness, I've heard Alex saying that the government was specifically preparing for a gigantic quarantine near Seattle.
[00:25:51]  That's the specific I've heard him use in the past, as far as I know.
[00:25:55]  The rest of the things I've heard from him have been vague and nonspecific fears about camps and shit.
[00:26:01]  In terms of what he's put out on the show, it's been like the Seattle.
[00:26:04]  Yeah.
[00:26:05]  So this Miami Herald article is just about the Department of Defense entering into an agreement at the request of the Department of Health and Human Services to provide quarantine space in case there are a need for additional beds for suspected coronavirus patients.
[00:26:19]  What this comes down to is the fact that the bases are equipped to handle this kind of thing, and they're located in places where they can be helpful.
[00:26:26]  The bases that agree to assist are specifically ones that are near major airports.
[00:26:31]  So flights entering the United States from areas affected by the outbreak disembark.
[00:26:35]  They have screening measures done to the passengers, and then suspected cases can be taken to the centers at the DOD bases.
[00:26:41]  The article is very clear that this is still a Department of Health and Human Services operation, just using space at these bases instead of creating new facilities that they don't need to create.
[00:26:51]  With the Pentagon spokesman saying, quote, DOD personnel will not be in direct contact with the evacuees and will minimize contact with personnel supporting the evacuees.
[00:27:01]  So how it works is that the medical staff will attend to them.
[00:27:04]  And if anyone tests positive for coronavirus, they'll then be relocated to a nearby hospital.
[00:27:09]  Yeah.
[00:27:10]  This is also a very limited arrangement.
[00:27:13]  The help agreement only lasts until February 22nd.
[00:27:16]  The likely reason for this arrangement being struck is because earlier this month, Trump signed an executive order that restricted travel from China, but it didn't completely shut it down.
[00:27:26]  According to the Charlotte Observer, starting February 2nd, flights from China to the United States were being directed to specific airports where the passengers could be best screened.
[00:27:35]  It makes sense that the Department of Health and Human Services would make use of the resources available to them and, if possible, borrow space from the DOD to house any possible suspected cases that might pop up.
[00:27:45]  Makes total sense.
[00:27:46]  This is very frustrating to me that all of this sounds incredibly reasonable, and yet Alex is attacking it.
[00:27:53]  Right.
[00:27:54]  Because it has the optics that he needs in order to create the fears that he's already built up over the years of feminism.
[00:28:00]  And the only thing you can assume is he would prefer large mass-scale panic and chaos to reasonable measures taken to prevent it.
[00:28:07]  No, because he doesn't want actual rioting or looting.
[00:28:11]  Right.
[00:28:11]  He wants the controlled chaos that's enough, like you're scared enough to buy his product, but you're not scared enough to get out in the streets.
[00:28:18]  Right.
[00:28:18]  That's the sweet spot that he wants people at.
[00:28:21]  Also, it's not like these DOD centers would be gigantic prisons or something.
[00:28:25]  According to the very Miami Herald article that Alex is citing, each would be able to house a maximum of 20 patients.
[00:28:32]  It just seems like good precautions being taken, as far as I can tell.
[00:28:35]  Yeah, that's all reasonable.
[00:28:36]  There's no evidence.
[00:28:38]  Nothing in the article talks about how many people are even being taken to those places.
[00:28:42]  If anyone is, there's no, and it's not like they would be the first places people are taken because the DHHS already has places to take people.
[00:28:53]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:28:54]  It's just in case there are tons more people who are coming in from China who are suspected of having the virus.
[00:29:02]  Well, maybe they have to switch.
[00:29:03]  Maybe they have to switch around, and all the soldiers have to go to the Department of Human Health Services, and all of the patients and hospital staff have to go to the bases.
[00:29:11]  We have a nice little switcheroo.
[00:29:13]  Everybody learns about each other.
[00:29:15]  This is a 13-going on 30 scenario, Dan.
[00:29:18]  And again, to bring sharp focus to this, you know, like the idea that Alex and his narratives are designed to get you no matter what you do.
[00:29:26]  Yeah.
[00:29:27]  If they didn't do something like this as a precaution or, you know, have these plans.
[00:29:31]  These people are asleep at the wheel.

=== Chris Matthews On Emails & FBI (15:24) ===

[00:29:33]  They're letting us all die.
[00:29:34]  They don't give a shit about us.
[00:29:36]  Exactly.
[00:29:36]  Yeah.
[00:29:37]  So you hear Trump said bullshit?
[00:29:39]  Oh, so cool.
[00:29:40]  So cool.
[00:29:41]  Old English.
[00:29:42]  Anyways, the Saxons.
[00:29:43]  2,000 years ago.
[00:29:45]  I've never seen something so sexy politically.
[00:29:48]  What a weirdo.
[00:29:49]  Oh, gross.
[00:29:51]  So we get off the coronavirus stuff, and that's great.
[00:29:55]  Yes.
[00:29:56]  Because it's been a while since we've had anything really juicy.
[00:30:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:30:02]  But it's not good.
[00:30:04]  It's a nice breath of fresh air.
[00:30:06]  Novelty is the best we can hope for.
[00:30:08]  It's from a dumpster.
[00:30:09]  Yeah.
[00:30:09]  It's fresh air, but it's also downwind from a dumpster.
[00:30:12]  Oh, this one's from a McDonald's instead of a Burger King.
[00:30:15]  That's nice.
[00:30:16]  Right.
[00:30:16]  So, Chris Matthews, after the New Hampshire Democratic primary debate, made some comments about how if Bernie gets in, he might kill his rivals.
[00:30:28]  This Chris Matthews lost his mind, too.
[00:30:30]  Yeah, it was a little bit unhinged.
[00:30:32]  Not unhinged.
[00:30:33]  I don't know.
[00:30:34]  It was irresponsible.
[00:30:35]  Everybody thinks that I don't know what I'm talking about.
[00:30:38]  That's just because I yell all the time.
[00:30:39]  But Bernie's going to murder all of his viruses.
[00:30:42]  Yeah.
[00:30:42]  So Alex picks up on this and he's like, great.
[00:30:47]  This is quite interesting.
[00:30:48]  MSNBC's Chris Matthew suggests Bernie Sanders could assassinate political opponents and president.
[00:30:57]  Now, Hillary has a bunch of people around her dead in incredibly suspicious circumstances.
[00:31:02]  I mean, you know, Air Force coroners say that Ron Brown was shot through the head.
[00:31:07]  If you read that on the air, they say it's a conspiracy theory when it's a public fact.
[00:31:13]  They had a coroner in Arkansas called Family Malik that would rule that people were found with their arms, legs, and heads cut off in plastic bags in a dump.
[00:31:21]  And they said the person committed suicide multiple times.
[00:31:25]  So it's pretty fun that Alex is doubling down on Chris Matthews, suggesting Bernie will kill political opponents based on nothing, and at the same time, celebrating Trump firing people who testified against him in clear acts of retaliation for them testifying.
[00:31:37]  Yeah.
[00:31:38]  I don't really care if Chris Matthews is a dumbass, so I'm not even going to engage with that.
[00:31:41]  But I wanted to talk to him.
[00:31:42]  What do you mean you don't care about me?
[00:31:44]  Calm down, Chris.
[00:31:45]  Okay, sorry.
[00:31:46]  I wanted to talk about these Hillary murders a little bit.
[00:31:49]  Before we get into any of this.
[00:31:50]  That's my favorite Agatha Christie novel, by the way, The Hillary murders.
[00:31:54]  Sure.
[00:31:54]  Poirot.
[00:31:55]  Coireau.
[00:31:55]  Her cue, Coirot.
[00:31:58]  The Belgian gets to the bottom of it.
[00:31:59]  He's not French.
[00:32:00]  He's not French.
[00:32:01]  So before we get into any of this, just off the top, this is all just a part of that dumb Clinton bodybag shit that was started by the Waco conspiracy theorist named Linda Thompson back in the 90s as a way to attack Bill Clinton.
[00:32:13]  People have gone over this list of people who were quote-unquote close to the Clintons who died, and none of them really stand up to scrutiny at all.
[00:32:20]  Interestingly, though, Linda Thompson appeared as a guest on Bill Cooper's show, The Hour of the Time, 15 times.
[00:32:26]  Nice.
[00:32:27]  She was a very regular guest.
[00:32:29]  There we go.
[00:32:30]  All right.
[00:32:30]  You might have to get into some of those.
[00:32:32]  Yeah.
[00:32:32]  I listened to one, and it was very boring, but there might be some other gems in there.
[00:32:37]  We'll see.
[00:32:37]  If Hillary Clinton kills anybody else, I'm sure she'll be back on.
[00:32:40]  I think.
[00:32:41]  Oh, it might be too late for Bill Cooper's show.
[00:32:43]  Yeah, he's not on the air anymore.
[00:32:45]  Why is that?
[00:32:46]  The first case that Alex brings up is Ron Brown.
[00:32:49]  Okay.
[00:32:50]  Ron Brown was the first African-American to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
[00:32:54]  And then when Clinton was elected, Brown became the first African-American to serve as Secretary of Commerce.
[00:33:00]  On April 3rd, 1996, he was one of 35 people who were tragically killed in a plane crash over Croatia.
[00:33:06]  And based on a small detail in the coroner's report, conspiracy theorists started spreading all this shit about his death.
[00:33:13]  An X-ray showed what appeared to be a small round wound, which folks decided must be a bullet hole.
[00:33:19]  This theory is super weak, considering that the X-ray suspiciously did not also include a bullet, any bone fragments, or an exit wound, which makes it super unlikely that he was shot.
[00:33:29]  Yeah.
[00:33:30]  Why don't they make the bullets out of the black box?
[00:33:32]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:33:33]  Sure.
[00:33:33]  Yeah.
[00:33:34]  There's so much more that needs to be explained for this to be plausibly presented as a murder, and neither Alex nor any of the Clinton conspiracy crowd has ever provided anything close to an explanation for how they think this went down.
[00:33:45]  Like, let's say he was shot before, then they just dragged him on the plane and everyone got on the plane with a dead body.
[00:33:53]  No way.
[00:33:53]  No.
[00:33:54]  Seems weird.
[00:33:54]  Obviously, the way this goes down is a D.B. Cooper-style fucking hijacking.
[00:34:00]  The CIA agent or NSA agent or whatever you want breaks into the plane, sets it down, kills the pilot, says, we're all going down, then walks into the fuselage, shoots the guy, and then jumps out the side and parachutes out.
[00:34:17]  Why do you need to shoot him if they're going to have a plane crash that kills everybody?
[00:34:21]  Because what if he survives?
[00:34:22]  And then he winds up eating everybody else and only gains their strength and comes back to bite you in the ass.
[00:34:27]  That makes perfect sense.
[00:34:28]  You have some interesting ideas.
[00:34:31]  But like I said, there's a lot more that needs to be fleshed out in this conspiracy theory.
[00:34:34]  That's a few people have failed to do that.
[00:34:36]  So this one I'm not going to count as a Clinton murder.
[00:34:39]  I'm going to have to say this.
[00:34:41]  It gets just a tragic event that happened.
[00:34:43]  For sure.
[00:34:44]  So as for Fammy Malik, what Alex is referring to here is the case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives.
[00:34:50]  I have no idea what he's talking about with suicide and people in bags and all that stuff, but he's clearly talking about these two guys.
[00:34:57]  Henry and Ives, aged 16 and 17, respectively, were hit by the 4.25 a.m. train on August 23rd, 1987, as they lay on the tracks.
[00:35:08]  They had been out hunting and had some weed in their system, which may have led to the coroner, Fammy Malik, to conclude that they were passed out from the weed and got hit by a train, having fallen asleep on the tracks.
[00:35:19]  The families did not accept that determination, so they got a second opinion, and the information that came up made it seem very clear that these kids were murdered.
[00:35:27]  For instance, they found a stab wound in one of their backs, and the second coroner found that they had way less weed in them than Malik had suggested.
[00:35:34]  Did she miss the stab wound?
[00:35:36]  He.
[00:35:37]  Oh, he's sorry.
[00:35:39]  I assumed that the explanation would be like, you just think it's a train wound or something like that.
[00:35:43]  Oh, I could see that.
[00:35:44]  Yeah.
[00:35:45]  A train wound?
[00:35:46]  Well, maybe not.
[00:35:47]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:35:47]  Yeah, I guess.
[00:35:48]  From here, all sorts of conspiracies started swirling around about how these kids must have accidentally seen something they shouldn't have, like a drug deal that would implicate then governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton.
[00:35:58]  None of this has ever been proven, but it's accepted as truth by the Clinton conspiracy crowd.
[00:36:03]  I see that as a bit of a leap.
[00:36:05]  It is.
[00:36:06]  Yeah.
[00:36:06]  From where I'm sitting, I think it's entirely possible that Fami Malik was just super, super bad at his job.
[00:36:12]  He quit his position in 1991 under harsh criticism that he had a pattern of botching autopsies.
[00:36:17]  That's not good.
[00:36:18]  There was the 1989 case of Olivia Ward, which he determined to be a murder, but further examination found to be inconclusive with no evidence of murder at all.
[00:36:27]  It's not like he always bungled cases, but the case of Henry and Ives was definitely not an isolated incident in his tenure at the coroner's office.
[00:36:35]  And the other cases he made mistakes in don't seem to have any relation to the Clintons, nor does Henry and Ives's, unless you are operating off guesses and theories that aren't substantiated.
[00:36:46]  Sure.
[00:36:46]  So Alex says these two examples of Clinton murders that he throws out, pretending that they're solidly proven, but they're absolutely not.
[00:36:53]  This is all just dumb old right-wing conspiracy shit.
[00:36:56]  And more to the point, even if Hillary killed every person she's ever met in her life, that has nothing to do with Bernie, who, if you've forgotten, Hillary hates.
[00:37:06]  Yeah, yeah, but that's only because Bernie has also killed everyone he's ever met in his entire life, and the two of them are on a collision.
[00:37:14]  In a murder context, they're keeping a tally at home.
[00:37:19]  This election season is going to be ugly, even in ideal situations and circumstances.
[00:37:24]  The last thing we need is Chris Matthews saying dumb shit like Bernie might kill you.
[00:37:28]  Bernie might kill me tomorrow.
[00:37:30]  I don't know.
[00:37:31]  We do not need to be able to do that.
[00:37:32]  He's so stupid.
[00:37:33]  Yeah.
[00:37:34]  You don't need, and the way that that sort of thing, I don't know if it's a lack of awareness or a lack of caring of how that's going to be used by people like Alex, but like you should just be more fucking careful.
[00:37:45]  Yeah.
[00:37:46]  So I don't think the people on TV who have opinions know what they're talking about ever.
[00:37:52]  I think they might be just assholes.
[00:37:54]  Your case, your argument is, it looks stronger by the day.
[00:37:59]  So I thought that this is just going to be a Chris Matthews talks about Bernie killing people, and then Alex gets to go off on a Clinton conspiracy jag.
[00:38:08]  And I thought that was it.
[00:38:10]  Yeah.
[00:38:10]  I think he's going to kill Steven Miller first.
[00:38:15]  I thought maybe just going to rehash some of these old Clinton bodybuildings.
[00:38:20]  Sure.
[00:38:20]  Alex is going to be like, man, I miss Larry Nichols.
[00:38:22]  Something.
[00:38:23]  I thought that was going to be it.
[00:38:25]  No.
[00:38:25]  It turns out Alex has decided, like, why not play with fire?
[00:38:30]  Hundreds of people have been sued by DNC lawyers for just questioning Seth Rich's death at governmental or political hit.
[00:38:41]  Uh-huh.
[00:38:43]  FBI lying about murder of Seth Rich.
[00:38:46]  Attorney claims what American news is scared.
[00:38:50]  They talk to the lawyer.
[00:38:51]  The lawyer says it goes all the way up to the top.
[00:38:53]  Hillary Clinton.
[00:38:54]  We're going to go to the middle.
[00:38:55]  It goes all the way up to.
[00:38:57]  Oh, but you can say Bernie Sanders might kill people because a bunch of his staffers drool.
[00:39:02]  They're communists.
[00:39:03]  That's what communists do.
[00:39:05]  Wife and children to put them in a forced labor camp.
[00:39:08]  Sure.
[00:39:09]  But it's legitimate to say he might do that.
[00:39:13]  I mean, something true out of Chris Matthews' mouth, but can we say Hillary might have had Seth Rich killed?
[00:39:19]  They certainly would have done that.
[00:39:20]  I guess now.
[00:39:22]  Asking that question, that's all coming up.
[00:39:25]  Alex better be really fucking careful or else he's going to fuck around and get himself sued.
[00:39:33]  This is not the road you want to go down, Alex.
[00:39:35]  Look, here's the thing.
[00:39:37]  He's making so much more money now.
[00:39:39]  He's like, I'm playing with the house, so I might as well go hard.
[00:39:43]  It seems like.
[00:39:44]  Pick Seth Rich.
[00:39:46]  He's on a sort of a slander mania episode.
[00:39:50]  Also, Hambi Hulakaya, I lied about my apology.
[00:39:54]  He's still an evil guy who's bringing in rapists.
[00:39:56]  He has already said that.
[00:39:57]  That's true.
[00:39:58]  He has already said that.
[00:39:59]  God damn it.
[00:39:59]  So this is a story that Alex is covering about, you know, like One American News Network is putting this out.
[00:40:05]  So Alex is covering that.
[00:40:06]  It's about a couple of emails that turned up in a FOIA request for all the emails between Peter Strzzok and Lisa Page.
[00:40:12]  There were a couple emails regarding Seth Rich, but it's pretty important to recognize the context of these interactions and these emails.
[00:40:21]  Seth Rich died on July 10th, 2016, and these emails are from August 10th, 2016.
[00:40:27]  They're not really about Seth Rich or any investigation of his death.
[00:40:31]  It's very clear from the first email in the chain that this was specifically about claims that Julian Assange had been making really vaguely in the media that Seth Rich was the source of the emails that WikiLeaks published.
[00:40:42]  This email, the initial one, is from the Public Affairs Office or the media relations section of the FBI asking some folks if the FBI had any involvement in this.
[00:40:52]  There are a lot of parts retracted for who knows what reason, but the exchange, as it appears, seems to be them saying that there is no FBI involvement.
[00:41:00]  The emails got caught up in this FOIA request because Strzzok ended up forwarding the email to Paige, who was an FBI lawyer, looping her in on the situation in case there's any legal implications.
[00:41:12]  None of this seems very suspicious at all, unless you already believe that Hillary had Seth Rich killed, and you let your imagination run wild about the parts that are redacted.
[00:41:21]  I'm very much unimpressed with this development in the case of this evidence, and I think it demonstrates literally nothing.
[00:41:27]  But I am very, very worried for Alex's legal situation.
[00:41:31]  What an idiot.
[00:41:32]  I just don't have faith in his ability to thread needles anymore.
[00:41:35]  If he gets to talking about this case, I'm almost certain he's going to end up slandering.
[00:41:39]  Yeah, he can't stop himself.
[00:41:41]  He just can't.
[00:41:43]  Why isn't there somebody there to just throw shit at his head and be like, no, Seth Rich?
[00:41:49]  Like, if you hear Seth Rich, some kind of like can should come out and hit him in the side of the head.
[00:41:55]  Good point.
[00:41:56]  Do you remember how bad and weak your shit was before?
[00:41:59]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:00]  Do you remember how a lot of your information was lies that Jerome Corsi was telling you and he sued you?
[00:42:05]  And you guys don't like each other anymore.
[00:42:06]  Do you know?
[00:42:08]  You really need to be careful, Alex.
[00:42:10]  This is not a road you want to go down.
[00:42:12]  But it turns out Alex is basically a professor in criminal justice.
[00:42:16]  I don't think he is.
[00:42:17]  He starts telling you how you do an investigation.
[00:42:19]  Oh, no.
[00:42:21]  Let's talk about some important things this segment.
[00:42:23]  Tie together.
[00:42:26]  We're going to bring on Columbo.
[00:42:28]  Oh, I also should point out that this is after he does a three-minute, like, I love the song Strangle Hold.
[00:42:36]  He's just rocking out to Stranglehold.
[00:42:38]  Okay.
[00:42:38]  All right.
[00:42:39]  And it's a juxtaposition with like, fucking hate 311, Ted Nugent.
[00:42:43]  That's where it's at.
[00:42:44]  You know, you got to, he's got strong takes.
[00:42:47]  So that's strong take.
[00:42:48]  That's why he's like, we got to get down to some serious issues because he's just been fucking around listening to Ted Nugent for three minutes.
[00:42:55]  When someone who is in politics dies getting shot a couple times in the back, it's completely legitimate to speculate about why and how it happened and who could be behind it and who stands for gang.
[00:43:11]  And the old Roman saying is, Kibono, who benefits.
[00:43:17]  And in any investigation, the first thing you look at is who would benefit from this.
[00:43:25]  And then who has the means?
[00:43:27]  I just thought it was.
[00:43:28]  We already said who benefits.
[00:43:32]  And then who had the ability to carry it out?
[00:43:34]  The means.
[00:43:34]  He's just repeating himself.
[00:43:35]  Yeah.
[00:43:36]  Also, please, Alex, demonstrate Kibono about the Seth Rich.
[00:43:41]  Yeah.
[00:43:42]  Please demonstrate how Hillary gained from that.
[00:43:44]  She won!
[00:43:45]  Great.
[00:43:46]  Please, dude.
[00:43:46]  I mean, I don't even think he can do that.
[00:43:49]  No, absolutely not.
[00:43:50]  So, Alex, like, really is in trouble here.
[00:43:53]  Like, he's going down the road of talking about Seth Rich again.
[00:43:57]  And, like, if he, I can't stress this enough.
[00:44:00]  If he keeps going down this road, it's going to be trouble, but not for the reasons he thinks.
[00:44:04]  If you talk about Seth Rich, you get sued by the DNC-funded law firms.
[00:44:11]  There's over 100 lawsuits I know of.
[00:44:14]  Name them.
[00:44:20]  They're scared.
[00:44:23]  They don't want you looking into it.
[00:44:25]  But, you know, the data via some of these suits that actually went the other way came out.
[00:44:32]  And it's come out in federal court that the download information on the hack DNC servers, because you can look on the files and see how it was downloaded at the time it happened was six times faster than any streaming service capability in the world.

=== Seth Rich Misinformation Suits (09:36) ===

[00:44:58]  So, quick point: the people who are getting sued for spreading misinformation about Seth Rich are not getting sued by the DNC or Hillary Clinton.
[00:45:04]  They're getting sued by Seth Rich's parents, who have been very clear in the past that they're being re-traumatized by having their son's tragic death being used for political propaganda.
[00:45:14]  There aren't a hundred suits about this.
[00:45:15]  Alex is just making that up to seem like the DNC and Hillary are desperate to do a cover-up, when in reality, it's just a family fighting back against people who have caused them harm, which seems like a theme in Alex's career.
[00:45:26]  It seems like he hurts people.
[00:45:28]  Yeah.
[00:45:28]  He hurts people a lot and kills dogs for some reason.
[00:45:32]  Yeah.
[00:45:32]  Also, that stuff that Alex is saying about the download speeds being too fast to be a hack didn't come out in court.
[00:45:38]  That's stuff that past Infowars guest William Binney had claimed, which was used to give credibility to the narrative that Russian intelligence couldn't have been behind the hack.
[00:45:47]  And in fact, it had to be an inside job because the speeds were so quick, it had to be a USB drive that was used to get these files.
[00:45:55]  Absolutely.
[00:45:55]  It could not have been done by a download.
[00:45:57]  No, there's no such thing as a fast internet connection.
[00:46:00]  So the first problem was that this claim that the speed at which the files were downloaded, which is 22.7 megabytes per second, exceeded available internet download speeds.
[00:46:10]  That isn't true.
[00:46:10]  Yeah, that can't be.
[00:46:11]  No, that's not possible.
[00:46:12]  That was a speed that could be achieved by widely available internet connections all over the world.
[00:46:17]  Fucking RCN can do that.
[00:46:19]  Just based on that little bit of information, this theory is shaky at best.
[00:46:23]  As it turns out, Binney wasn't working from any real analysis of his own.
[00:46:27]  He was just using information he'd received from a man named Adam Carter, who is allegedly a researcher and tech expert.
[00:46:33]  As it turns out, Adam Carter's real name was Tim Leonard, and he was less an expert as he was a 39-year-old troll from the United Kingdom with a bit of a track record of spreading misinformation on Reddit and 4chan.
[00:46:45]  Most of it having to do with how Russia didn't hack the DNC.
[00:46:49]  That does seem pretty consistent.
[00:46:51]  He'd even created a second mysterious identity called Forensicator, which he used to prop up the findings of his other alias.
[00:46:58]  They worked in concert to prop each other up.
[00:47:00]  Oh, shit.
[00:47:00]  CBS just picked that up for a full slate.
[00:47:03]  This shell game of fake identities was tracked down by InfoSecurity researcher and expert Duncan Campbell, and this led to some interesting consequences.
[00:47:12]  Under his Adam Carter alias, Leonard operated a website called G-2 that sought to show that Goosefer 2.0 couldn't have been Russian intelligence.
[00:47:21]  Through this site, Leonard sent William Binney a file that claimed to show that the hack was an inside job.
[00:47:26]  I'll read to you here from Duncan Campbell's piece about his research that was published in Computer Weekly.
[00:47:32]  Quote: The untitled file included complex details explaining how to unlock information inside a tranche of files released by Goosefer 2.0 in London.
[00:47:41]  Metadata in the files had been manipulated to prove that the documents could not have been, or could have been stolen only by a Democratic National Committee employee.
[00:47:51]  This file that was sent to Binney had manipulated metadata, which made it appear that the download was impossible, except locally.
[00:47:58]  Sure.
[00:47:59]  Binney did no analysis on the files himself, but instead took this information and took it as gospel.
[00:48:04]  The work into this file was attributed to Leonard's other alias, Forensicator, and from there, Forensicator was, I guess, just deemed credible by Binney without further question.
[00:48:16]  Binney began making the rounds on right-wing media, offering this smoking gun that it wasn't Russian hacking.
[00:48:21]  His claims are all over Breitbart, Hannity, and, of course, he showed up at Monchon Infowars.
[00:48:26]  His claims even made it all the way to Trump, who told then-CIA director Mike Pompeo to meet with Binney to get information that would prove that Russia didn't hack the DNC.
[00:48:36]  Ah, God.
[00:48:38]  But he knows that they did.
[00:48:40]  And Pompeo did meet with.
[00:48:43]  God damn it.
[00:48:44]  And that makes this very sad, especially considering the next development.
[00:48:48]  Duncan Campbell was able to get William Binney to visit Britain and analyze the actual data contained in the actual Goosefer files.
[00:48:55]  And, quote, a month after visiting CIA headquarters, Binney came to Britain.
[00:49:00]  After re-examining the data in the Goose for 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind.
[00:49:07]  He said there was, quote, no evidence to prove where the download copy was done.
[00:49:12]  The Goose for 2.0 files analyzed by Leonard's G2 space were, quote, manipulated, he said, and a, quote, fabrication.
[00:49:20]  Even William Binney has come out and admitted that the basis for his claims about download speeds and how it's impossible that the hack wasn't an in-house operation was bullshit and a fabrication.
[00:49:30]  There's nothing here other than a supposed expert getting tricked by a troll and in the process tricking the fucking president.
[00:49:37]  Alex is lying, saying that the information came out in court when in reality it was bullshit that he unquestioningly accepted from William Binney, who had unquestioningly accepted it from Leonard.
[00:49:46]  Alex is reopening his interest into Seth Rich, which is a really bad idea, and defending that decision based on lies about things his sources don't even still believe.
[00:49:55]  This is bad news.
[00:49:57]  Yeah, that must have been a real bummer for Benny whenever it got too far, because then he had to admit that it was bullshit.
[00:50:03]  Because if it didn't go all the way up to Pompeo talking to him, he wouldn't have retracted that.
[00:50:09]  He'd still be going down InfoWorks.
[00:50:11]  It's possible.
[00:50:12]  If Duncan Campbell had still gone through the process that he did of figuring all this stuff out and convinced William Benny to come do the work over with him, I imagine that Benny would have been like, yeah, you know what?
[00:50:26]  You're right.
[00:50:27]  Could be.
[00:50:27]  Could be.
[00:50:29]  I just halfway expect all of these people to take a fucking mask off and reveal that they're Jacob Wall underneath.
[00:50:34]  Like these people are all insane.
[00:50:36]  Well, that's another one of Alex's big narratives about Seth Rich is the guy investigating him got shot for investigating him.
[00:50:43]  And that was the guy Burton, who works with Jacob Wall on all these publicity stuff.
[00:50:51]  And he didn't get shot because he was investigating Seth Rich.
[00:50:54]  He got shot with a BB gun by a guy who he was collaborating on a Seth Rich investigation with because the investigation turned south.
[00:51:02]  See, this is what I'm saying.
[00:51:03]  These people are all children.
[00:51:04]  Not Burton, Berkman.
[00:51:06]  Yeah.
[00:51:06]  Berkman.
[00:51:06]  Yeah.
[00:51:07]  Yeah.
[00:51:07]  So all of this is bullshit.
[00:51:12]  It's outrageous.
[00:51:14]  If he keeps going down this road, it's going to be really bad.
[00:51:16]  Great.
[00:51:16]  But I'm excited to see if he does.
[00:51:18]  Yeah, I know.
[00:51:18]  Because it's dangerous.
[00:51:20]  It is nice to see him get all that money and then rush as fast as he can to get sued to get it all taken away again.
[00:51:27]  It's very strange.
[00:51:28]  What an idiot.
[00:51:29]  Yeah.
[00:51:29]  So, another thing that might end up costing Alex a bit of money is he is now comfortably settled into selling his immune gargoy based on a claim that it is good at preventing or helping with SARS.
[00:51:44]  We have sold out of the 16-ounce immune gargle that has the nano-silver that's patented and documented and even admitted in documents we've shown to go after this whole corona SARS family of viruses, viruses and bacteria, period.
[00:51:58]  So, viruses are bacteria?
[00:52:00]  I think he said viruses and bacteria.
[00:52:02]  Oh, okay, all right.
[00:52:03]  I struggled with that as well.
[00:52:04]  I was like, I had to listen to it a couple times.
[00:52:07]  Did you?
[00:52:08]  Because I know that he says that like all cancer is viruses.
[00:52:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:12]  So, like, I know that he has some weird thoughts about science, but I think he said viruses and.
[00:52:18]  Yeah, I would have assumed viruses and if we weren't dealing with Alex Jones.
[00:52:22]  Right, right.
[00:52:22]  In which case, viruses are bacteria is just as reasonable a thing for him as a person.
[00:52:26]  It's a possible thing he might believe.
[00:52:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:52:28]  So, you got that, and it's like, okay, it's clear we've seen this path over the last like week or so, the tentative dipping the toe into the pool of making these claims.
[00:52:39]  Now, he's just totally comfortable with it.
[00:52:41]  Yeah, why not?
[00:52:43]  Let it ride.
[00:52:43]  No consequences for me.
[00:52:46]  So, Jordan, this next clip is long and it's very confusing.
[00:52:52]  Okay.
[00:52:53]  I wanted to cut clips of it.
[00:52:56]  Sure.
[00:52:56]  But I can't.
[00:52:57]  I have to present it as a full segment.
[00:53:00]  Okay.
[00:53:01]  This is a five-minute segment.
[00:53:02]  Maybe four-ish.
[00:53:03]  It's the first segment of the second hour.
[00:53:06]  Okay.
[00:53:06]  It's where he's coming into the show.
[00:53:09]  And it's that segment that isn't carried on every station.
[00:53:13]  So sometimes it's a little bit strange.
[00:53:16]  This one is very strange.
[00:53:17]  Okay.
[00:53:17]  I need you to take notes.
[00:53:19]  I need you to pay close attention because I don't know if I know what he's saying.
[00:53:22]  I've listened to it a couple times, and I'm very confused by this.
[00:53:27]  It's very weird.
[00:53:29]  When I hear about somebody dying, I mean, I have empathy.
[00:53:35]  I'm connected to them.
[00:53:36]  I know the universe works.
[00:53:37]  It's bad mojo to not care.
[00:53:40]  I already know that instinctively.
[00:53:41]  I don't need to go like, oh, it's bad luck if I don't care if somebody gets hurt who's innocent.
[00:53:46]  So at this point, I have to pause because this is after talking about Seth Rich.
[00:53:51]  So I thought maybe he was talking about Seth Rich, but he also talked about Rush Limbaugh and how he was going to die early.
[00:53:58]  I wasn't.
[00:53:58]  And I think he hopes 311 dies.
[00:54:00]  So that's in the mix.
[00:54:01]  But he doesn't think they're innocent.
[00:54:02]  No, that's true.
[00:54:04]  That's true.
[00:54:04]  If you'd look at the context, it seems more likely it's about Seth Rich.
[00:54:08]  Okay.
[00:54:09]  Or the feelings at least.
[00:54:10]  But I'm not sure.
[00:54:11]  See, I'm leaning towards Rush on this one.
[00:54:13]  Or it could be the people in China.
[00:54:15]  I don't know.
[00:54:16]  I mean, I guess that's possible.
[00:54:17]  I don't think he cares about people in China.

=== Unite Rally's Dark Side (15:42) ===

[00:54:19]  I don't know.
[00:54:20]  Yeah, that's fair.
[00:54:22]  I already spiritually know that.
[00:54:24]  But if I was a sociopath, you'd think I'd know that, but they like don't.
[00:54:32]  Because they don't get the laws of nature.
[00:54:35]  And that's why evil always goes, wow, I can do this and this happens.
[00:54:43]  But they don't think about the next couple things that happen.
[00:54:48]  So being nice is the best way to build a good civilization and have good people around you that are doing well.
[00:54:55]  I mean, if people aren't doing well, I don't care what color they are or where they came from.
[00:55:00]  How does that make me better?
[00:55:02]  It doesn't.
[00:55:03]  But I then, because I have a spirit and I have a conscience and I care, I have nerves, I have feelings.
[00:55:13]  I'm not a psychopath, a sociopath.
[00:55:15]  Yes, you are.
[00:55:20]  I can't let people manipulate my feelings cold-bloodedly.
[00:55:25]  And that's where this comes in.
[00:55:27]  People that are good and strong have to do the right thing when it comes down to it, even though we don't.
[00:55:33]  Let me tell you something.
[00:55:34]  When I fry some enemy and defeat them, I don't even feel good.
[00:55:37]  I'm like, I can't believe I had to spend time on that person, man.
[00:55:43]  And I feel bad that they like when I see how bad they are and how weak they are and how bad their family is.
[00:55:51]  I'm not like a lot of people I know go around poor people.
[00:55:57]  They could be poor black people, poor white people, poor whatever.
[00:56:00]  And they like feel elitist.
[00:56:01]  Man, did you see those poor, dumbass people?
[00:56:04]  Man, we're not like them.
[00:56:05]  And I'm like, really?
[00:56:06]  You feel good?
[00:56:06]  Because they're doing bad?
[00:56:10]  Worst job I ever had.
[00:56:12]  I was like, what's the highest job I can get was a carpet cleaner, a Stanley Steamer carpet cleaner, like 30 years ago.
[00:56:19]  Right out of high school.
[00:56:23]  Longer than that now.
[00:56:24]  I'm getting old.
[00:56:25]  I'm 46.
[00:56:27]  When did you get out of high school?
[00:56:30]  And I remember, like, I get paid $20 something an hour as the assistant to clean carpets.
[00:56:36]  And my other job is like $9 an hour.
[00:56:38]  Yeah, I'll take this right now.
[00:56:40]  Until I got to people's houses.
[00:56:45]  And I was like, yeah, they could be white.
[00:56:48]  They could be black.
[00:56:49]  They could be whatever.
[00:56:50]  Why do you?
[00:56:50]  They're mainly white people.
[00:56:51]  But I was like, I've never seen anything like this.
[00:56:57]  A dirty carpet.
[00:56:58]  And try to describe what I saw in the few months I worked there.
[00:57:02]  Dirty carpets?
[00:57:04]  Would take hours.
[00:57:05]  It was hellish.
[00:57:08]  They're just dirty carpets.
[00:57:10]  No, the Bible's true.
[00:57:13]  Humanity's falling, man.
[00:57:14]  I talk to paramedics, the stuff they see.
[00:57:17]  You talk about PTSD.
[00:57:19]  I mean, I'm not taking away from military people and stuff, but let me take medics and people.
[00:57:22]  That's the real heroes.
[00:57:24]  I mean, carpet cleaners?
[00:57:25]  The carpets gave me a lot of people.
[00:57:26]  And all they're doing is taking care of people that actually got their arms and legs blown off.
[00:57:30]  And nobody in the military will deny those are the real heroes.
[00:57:32]  But think about paramedics or even police that have got to show up and see these chewed up bodies.
[00:57:40]  Or you drive by a wreck.
[00:57:42]  You don't know the firefighters and police are there with dead kids and stuff.
[00:57:50]  Imagine being the first cop to pull up after a wreck.
[00:57:52]  There's a three-year-old with blood spurting out, begging for mommy.
[00:57:54]  You're trying to save them and you can't.
[00:57:57]  And little baby dies right.
[00:58:00]  And like, it doesn't even matter.
[00:58:01]  You knew, well, that's not my fault.
[00:58:03]  I got there.
[00:58:04]  I tried to hold it around their neck.
[00:58:05]  I tried to put a little baby.
[00:58:08]  It's a psychic wound.
[00:58:11]  And then there's everybody else who just wants to go home and watch Netflix.
[00:58:15]  And, you know, hear some stuff from Jeff Bezos, some Black Lives Matter.
[00:58:20]  Let's kill the cops.
[00:58:21]  And you're just like, it doesn't even fit.
[00:58:24]  And you got these billionaires sitting up there funding Bernie Sanders, by the way.
[00:58:30]  Really?
[00:58:30]  All of how much some dude making $100,000 sucks.
[00:58:35]  These are sick freaks, man.
[00:58:36]  They're sick freaks.
[00:58:39]  So that's what it's like to listen to this show a lot of the time.
[00:58:42]  That's bewildering.
[00:58:44]  Okay.
[00:58:44]  I really do not know exactly what point he's making.
[00:58:48]  Although, I will say, before we get to your analysis, I do think I realize what he's trying to imply with the carpet cleaner.
[00:58:56]  Yeah.
[00:58:57]  I didn't understand it for a long.
[00:58:59]  I think he's implying that he cleaned up like satanic rituals or something like that.
[00:59:03]  I think it has to be because otherwise, yes, it's a dirty carpet.
[00:59:06]  You're going to see a dirty house of someone who can afford a carpet cleaning company.
[00:59:11]  Yes.
[00:59:12]  Or maybe he's saying that he cleaned up murder scenes or something like that.
[00:59:16]  He had a contract with the city.
[00:59:18]  His company did or something like that.
[00:59:20]  But if he's saying that he cleaned up after satanic rituals, then what he did is not report them.
[00:59:26]  Yeah.
[00:59:26]  So he's complicit.
[00:59:27]  Anyway, I have no idea what he's talking about.
[00:59:29]  I think he just has PTSD from cleaning a lot of carpets.
[00:59:32]  I think that's the, I think that's basically what he's described because here's here he's going through.
[00:59:37]  Right.
[00:59:38]  Give me the path you went on.
[00:59:40]  All right.
[00:59:40]  Okay.
[00:59:40]  So he's got empathy.
[00:59:42]  He does.
[00:59:42]  He does.
[00:59:44]  He's not a sociopath.
[00:59:45]  He is.
[00:59:46]  Being nice and being with good people is how you build a good society.
[00:59:50]  And he doesn't like it whenever he has to smoke fools.
[00:59:52]  Right.
[00:59:53]  That's fries an opponent.
[00:59:55]  When he fries an opponent, he doesn't feel good because they're so weak.
[00:59:58]  I take no pleasure.
[00:59:59]  And being weak reminds him of being a carpet cleaner.
[01:00:04]  Which is the same as being a paramedic or a first responder.
[01:00:08]  And he said multiple times that he doesn't care what race you are, which means he's talking about black people.
[01:00:13]  Maybe.
[01:00:15]  And poor means carpets, PTSD, dirty carpets.
[01:00:22]  Which takes us to the cops and paramedics.
[01:00:26]  Seeing a baby at a car crash.
[01:00:27]  Right.
[01:00:28]  And how that leaves a psychic wound.
[01:00:29]  And Black Lives Matter is killing babies.
[01:00:32]  I believe.
[01:00:33]  I forgot about Bezos and the billionaires funding Bernie.
[01:00:36]  Right.
[01:00:37]  Bezos running Black Lives Matter.
[01:00:38]  This is my new favorite Judy Bloom novel.
[01:00:41]  See, this is the experience that I go through sometimes.
[01:00:44]  Like, sometimes I'm able to sit here and present you with clips that make sense.
[01:00:48]  Like, oh, here's what he's talking about.
[01:00:50]  Here's the bullshit.
[01:00:51]  Like with the clip about like, it's come out in court, these download speeds for the goose for hack.
[01:00:56]  Like, I could tell you what he's talking about.
[01:00:58]  Right, right.
[01:00:59]  Oh, I forgot.
[01:00:59]  The Bible is true.
[01:01:00]  Bible is true.
[01:01:01]  The Bible is true.
[01:01:02]  I forgot about that part.
[01:01:03]  Based on carpet cleaning, the Bible is true.
[01:01:05]  Right.
[01:01:06]  That's what leads me to believe that he's talking about cleaning up like satanic rituals.
[01:01:09]  Yeah.
[01:01:10]  Because the connection to the Bible being real is very strange.
[01:01:14]  I refuse to accept there's a real connection to any of those sentences.
[01:01:18]  So whatever bewilderment you were feeling or the audience was feeling while listening to that rambling nonsense.
[01:01:24]  I know I have PTSD from it.
[01:01:25]  Now try and imagine my life.
[01:01:30]  Just sitting there like, what are you talking about?
[01:01:33]  I tell you what, it's a psychic wound.
[01:01:35]  And then imagine people who are listening to his show who believe him hearing that and not being like, I'm worried about this.
[01:01:42]  I can't believe how smart this guy is.
[01:01:45]  Yeah, he knows things.
[01:01:47]  So Alex goes to break and he comes back and he starts talking about a recent crime that was committed.
[01:01:54]  And he's being really dumb.
[01:01:56]  So we're not drama kings.
[01:01:58]  We're not drama queens.
[01:02:03]  But could you imagine when two years ago you saw Charlottesville where nope, stop the crowd attacks a car, a guy drives, hits a woman, she has a heart attack, dies.
[01:02:14]  It's like Trump's a murderer.
[01:02:16]  The KKK's taking over.
[01:02:19]  Destroy America.
[01:02:21]  It's the most powerful thing ever seen.
[01:02:25]  It's all over, Run for the Hills.
[01:02:29]  You're saying it's all over, Run for the Hills.
[01:02:32]  There are only lone survivors.
[01:02:34]  All the attacks on Trump supporters, that means America supporters, people that against bullying, people that believe in self-defense, people that believe in life.
[01:02:43]  So many reasons.
[01:02:44]  The people that won't back down under intimidation.
[01:02:47]  The folks God's looking for.
[01:02:48]  I'll just tell you, Trump's just a tester of what?
[01:02:53]  Story up on Infowars.com.
[01:02:55]  Trump supporters attacked after Van plows through GOP voter registration tent in Florida, suspect arrested.
[01:03:03]  Just real quick, Heather Hayer didn't have a heart attack.
[01:03:06]  That is a white nationalist meme talking point that spread to deflect blame from the guy who hit her with his car.
[01:03:12]  The fact that Alex consistently brings that up isn't necessarily proof that he's intentionally running interference for white supremacists, but it's definitely a telling marker as to the sources of information he deems credible.
[01:03:22]  Yeah, he has to be getting it through that channel.
[01:03:24]  Yeah.
[01:03:24]  And he's either winkingly and knowingly repeating it, or he just thinks that those people know what's up.
[01:03:31]  I would say the latter.
[01:03:32]  So a 27-year-old man did run his car into a GOP voter registration tent setup on Saturday, and that's awful.
[01:03:41]  Even though these incidents may seem similar to Alex in that they both involve cars, when they're viewed together, they actually demonstrate clearly why the national conversation happened after the Unite the Right rally, and this one will not have the same effect.
[01:03:55]  The first obvious thing is that at the Unite the Right rally, Heather Hare was killed.
[01:03:59]  Fatalities will always increase the severity of a situation.
[01:04:03]  Conversely, in the case of this guy in Florida, no injuries were even reported, which makes his actions stupid and wrong, but it's not a clear, it's clearly not as huge a deal as if he'd murdered somebody.
[01:04:14]  Second, while it appears that the guy in Florida didn't like Trump supporters, Lieutenant Larry Gale of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said that, quote, we don't know if this is politically motivated.
[01:04:24]  We're in Florida.
[01:04:25]  It could be anything.
[01:04:27]  You can make the assumption that it's politically motivated, and you're welcome to have that opinion, but the people investigating it don't know that yet.
[01:04:33]  So it remains to be seen officially.
[01:04:36]  Conversely, at the Unite the Right rally, the political motives, the events that led to the car attack, were pretty well understood.
[01:04:43]  And then finally, you have this very basic aspect.
[01:04:46]  Everyone knows that driving your car into people is wrong.
[01:04:50]  The left and right agree on that, or as they should.
[01:04:53]  So what was particularly unsettling for people about the Unite the Right rally was Trump's response to the fallout of it when he said that there were very fine people on both sides.
[01:05:04]  To be fair to Trump, he also said, quote, I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.
[01:05:11]  But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?
[01:05:16]  And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
[01:05:19]  So, I mean, we finally have a president who will recognize the inherent decency of people who are willing to march alongside open white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
[01:05:27]  So I don't know if that quote actually makes things any better.
[01:05:29]  Why won't people think of the guilty bystander?
[01:05:32]  Why won't they think of them, Dan?
[01:05:34]  Right.
[01:05:35]  Everybody's all talking about the bad people, but don't you want to shed a tear for the people who just wanted to oppress other people?
[01:05:44]  And had no problem standing alongside open neo-Nazis?
[01:05:48]  Yeah, come on.
[01:05:49]  But of course, they were just popping up.
[01:05:50]  They were theater students.
[01:05:51]  Of course.
[01:05:52]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:53]  So instead of reacting unequivocally after the rally, Trump tried to defend his side.
[01:05:58]  Instead of respecting that a woman had been killed and that goddamn neo-Nazis were marching alongside his supporters and recognizing that there was a real problem there, he decided to provide cover and defense for them, which most people found shocking and really disgusting.
[01:06:11]  Which they shouldn't have found shocking, but is very disgusting.
[01:06:14]  Conversely, in the case of this guy in Florida, I'll read to you from the New York Post.
[01:06:18]  Quote, the Duval County Democratic Party said it condemned, quote, this cowardly act of violence.
[01:06:23]  No one's life should be placed in danger for exercising their First Amendment rights.
[01:06:27]  As Democrats, but more importantly, residents of the greater city of Jacksonville, we call on our fellow citizens to act with dignity, civility, and respect for one another during this election cycle and beyond.
[01:06:37]  See, look at how similar their rhetoric is to Trump's.
[01:06:40]  Of course, you have to condemn them roundly.
[01:06:43]  On the left, I have to be ideologically consistent and say that their rhetoric is inflammatory and is absolutely going to get more people hurt.
[01:06:53]  There wasn't a defense of this guy's actions.
[01:06:55]  No call to consider, well, hey, you know, Trump's policies are pretty shitty and his supporters are defending a guy who's hurting a lot of people.
[01:07:01]  There wasn't an attempt to justify a clearly wrong act by deflecting, which is the right thing to do.
[01:07:07]  This guy's actions are not indicative of the Democratic Party.
[01:07:09]  They are just his bad actions.
[01:07:11]  The actions of white supremacist terrorists would not be associated with Trump if he behaved differently in crucial situations like the press conference after the Unite the Right rally.
[01:07:22]  Because we all agree that running your car into people is wrong, and in this case, no one is trying to pretend that the conversation is about anything other than that.
[01:07:29]  We all get to move forward after the agreement.
[01:07:32]  He's been arrested.
[01:07:32]  He will be treated as appropriate by the law.
[01:07:36]  There's no need to ask what the fuck is wrong with people trying to justify unjustifiable things.
[01:07:41]  And this is largely why this is just a bad thing that happened in Florida that even people like Alex will probably not remember in a week, as opposed to a deeply traumatic event, the ripples of which are still resonating to this day.
[01:07:52]  Yeah.
[01:07:53]  These are like there's it's so fucking obvious.
[01:07:57]  Yep.
[01:07:58]  But Alex needs to ramp up the conservative victimhood juice that's so important toward to animating the rhetoric and the narratives that he puts forth on his show.
[01:08:08]  That's the fuel that runs this engine.
[01:08:11]  What's disgusting to me about that is that it feels so often like when some kind of tragedy happens due to a white nationalist terror attack, the right is not at all interested in engaging with that.
[01:08:26]  And they're just excited and hoping that there will be a what about either later or that they can point to.
[01:08:33]  They want a what about more than they want a resolution to anything.
[01:08:37]  Well, sure.
[01:08:38]  Yeah.
[01:08:39]  But it's all just in service of we are the ones who are under exactly.
[01:08:43]  Yeah.
[01:08:44]  And so you see that here with Alex, like really just lying.
[01:08:47]  And you see the reports every couple hours like anti-Trumper beats head and boss beats boss to death and head with hammer.
[01:09:03]  And you just see the reports pouring out, and the media says, hey, they deserve it.
[01:09:10]  So there was a story in late January of a construction worker in Florida who was accused of murdering his boss, who loved Trump, but he didn't use a hammer.
[01:09:17]  He used a trowel.
[01:09:18]  Apparently, the two men got into a political argument, and then the dude killed his boss before draping an American flag on him.
[01:09:24]  The problem here is that Alex hears that this guy killed his Trump-loving boss after a political argument, and he just assumes that the murderer is a Democrat who hates Trump.
[01:09:33]  In reality, the alleged murderer is one of those anti-government types who believes that the government is out to get him.
[01:09:38]  Kind of a paranoid conspiracy theory type fella.
[01:09:41]  Huh.
[01:09:42]  Anyway, Alex here.
[01:09:43]  I can't imagine those guys committing any acts of violence.
[01:09:46]  No.
[01:09:46]  Alex is here saying that there's all these news stories about attacks on Trump supporters are coming in every hour.

=== Anderson Cooper's Struggle (12:14) ===

[01:09:52]  Yes, but the best he can do is come up with a story from over two weeks ago that he doesn't really know any of the details of.
[01:09:58]  And it may not make the case he thinks he does.
[01:10:00]  And you can hear those long pauses because he can't come up with any.
[01:10:03]  He's like, oh, they're coming in every hour.
[01:10:04]  If they're coming in every hour, you should probably have a couple examples.
[01:10:07]  Right on the top of your head.
[01:10:09]  Two-week old story that probably isn't what you think it is.
[01:10:12]  Maybe even just give the one that came in last hour, the most recent of them.
[01:10:15]  You could do that.
[01:10:16]  Yeah, that would be a good one.
[01:10:16]  For the hour 10 hours a day.
[01:10:19]  So much preparation.
[01:10:20]  Clearly have a handle on this stuff.
[01:10:22]  What about the one that came in before you started the show while you were on air?
[01:10:26]  So, but then, you know, the issue is that all of these Trump supporters are getting attacked every hour.
[01:10:31]  You hear the news stories.
[01:10:32]  Of course, of course.
[01:10:33]  And then villains and demons in the media like Wolf Blitzer justify it.
[01:10:39]  It was like CNN a few years ago when Congressman Scalees had been shot.
[01:10:45]  They had a guest on saying he's a hero.
[01:10:47]  He's not a bad guy.
[01:10:48]  He saw fascism and fought it.
[01:10:50]  Wolf Blitzer said, you're right.
[01:10:52]  Hoping more people would come kill Trump supporting members of Congress.
[01:10:58]  Hey, Wolf, if you're ever successful starting a civil war in America, buddy, it's open season on your little ass.
[01:11:06]  So on the Situation Room on June 14th, 2017, while reporting on the shooting at the congressional baseball practice, Wolf Blitzer played a piece that was compiled by CNN's congressional correspondent Phil Mattingly.
[01:11:19]  Approximately seven seconds of the piece was an acquaintance of the shooter saying, quote, I just want to let people know that he wasn't evil, that he was, I guess, tired of some of the politics that are going on.
[01:11:29]  Wolf didn't say that it was good.
[01:11:30]  And in fact, after Maddigley finished up his presentation of his piece, here's what Wolf actually said.
[01:11:36]  You know, it's interesting, Phil, because clearly he was evil.
[01:11:39]  And on March 22nd, as you point out, he posted this on Facebook.
[01:11:43]  Trump is a traitor.
[01:11:44]  Trump has destroyed our democracy.
[01:11:46]  It's time to destroy Trump and company.
[01:11:49]  And then he said, Republicans are the Taliban of the USA.
[01:11:54]  When you say on a Facebook post, it's time to destroy Trump and company.
[01:11:58]  That's a threat against the president of the United States, and that's a crime.
[01:12:03]  Not only did Wolf not support the shooter's actions, he directly and clearly rejected the statement the acquaintance made saying that the shooter wasn't evil.
[01:12:12]  Kind of seems like Alex just makes up whatever he wants in order to satisfy the right-wing's constant need to portray themselves as victims.
[01:12:19]  What a piece of shit.
[01:12:20]  And it's also just so, it doesn't matter.
[01:12:23]  It doesn't matter if it's reality or not.
[01:12:25]  That's what they want to say.
[01:12:26]  Yeah, like that's why that's why anytime somebody is trying to be like, oh, nobody will vote for Bernie because they'll call him a socialist.
[01:12:33]  It's like, dude, if Pete is in, they're going to call him a socialist.
[01:12:37]  It does not matter what reality is.
[01:12:39]  It matters what's politically expedient.
[01:12:42]  Right.
[01:12:42]  And I mean, it's just, this is blatant shit.
[01:12:44]  It's really terrible.
[01:12:46]  I'm going to still blame this on the 311, though.
[01:12:48]  This is probably just the.
[01:12:50]  Alex's head is hazy.
[01:12:52]  He got high by contacting Wolf Black.
[01:12:54]  He got hot boxed with 311.
[01:12:56]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:12:57]  Okay.
[01:12:57]  Fucked him up.
[01:12:58]  Yeah, that'll happen.
[01:12:58]  Terrible job.
[01:12:59]  So anyway, he's like, hey, Wolf Blitzer, open season on you when the war comes.
[01:13:04]  And Alex gets to rambling about fantasies about wanting to kill Wolf Blitzer.
[01:13:08]  Right.
[01:13:09]  Now, hold on one second.
[01:13:10]  Can I go back here?
[01:13:11]  He has empathy, and it would be crazy.
[01:13:14]  He doesn't like frying his enemies.
[01:13:16]  He doesn't like it.
[01:13:16]  He doesn't like it.
[01:13:17]  He's not a sociopath or a psychopath.
[01:13:19]  I don't know if he actually likes the frying of the enemies, but he certainly likes talking about it.
[01:13:24]  He sure does.
[01:13:25]  In the past, Jordan, we have said that Alex probably technically killed a guy.
[01:13:29]  I think we can now upgrade that.
[01:13:32]  And I don't want to ever see Wolf Blitzer hurt because Wolf Blitzer is a human maggot.
[01:13:39]  I mean, like, you really want to start a fight with us?
[01:13:43]  Just he just can't help it.
[01:13:45]  Yeah, you do, don't you?
[01:13:47]  You're begging for it.
[01:13:49]  You're begging.
[01:13:50]  You're begging to get your gut stomped out, hard.
[01:13:54]  And I don't know, Wolf, you ever had your gut stomped out, but you don't live after that happens.
[01:14:00]  So you not that I've ever stomped anybody's guts out.
[01:14:04]  Actually, I have a couple times.
[01:14:05]  It's not too nice.
[01:14:06]  Takes people a long time to die if you stomp their guts out.
[01:14:10]  But that's no threat to Wolf Blitzer.
[01:14:13]  So Alex is a mass murderer.
[01:14:15]  He just committed murder on air.
[01:14:17]  He just admitted to murder.
[01:14:19]  Mass.
[01:14:20]  There is no statute of limitations on murder.
[01:14:23]  We need to get to the fucking bottom of this.
[01:14:25]  Check the Dallas Austin videos for any unsolved stomping murderers.
[01:14:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:14:32]  Let's go cold case files on Alex Jones only.
[01:14:36]  I 100% don't believe Alex.
[01:14:38]  But based on his.
[01:14:40]  It takes us all.
[01:14:41]  Based on his words, he is a spree of money.
[01:14:45]  A multiple murderer.
[01:14:46]  A multiple murderer.
[01:14:48]  No, technically, probably anymore.
[01:14:50]  Nope.
[01:14:50]  Alex, you are a murderer.
[01:14:52]  At the very least, murder too.
[01:14:54]  At the very least, murder too.
[01:14:56]  Maybe he wasn't premeditated.
[01:14:57]  Maybe he just got angry.
[01:14:59]  But man, I would give him 25 to life on this.
[01:15:01]  You know what's really fucked up about that clip is like in the past, whenever he's talked about these probable technical murders that he's committed, are always in the context of, you know, hey, I didn't like to do it.
[01:15:13]  I was getting bullied.
[01:15:14]  And, you know, it's like almost self-defense in nature.
[01:15:17]  This is not.
[01:15:18]  He's sitting there relishing the slowness of their death.
[01:15:22]  Yeah.
[01:15:22]  This is a sick fuck right here.
[01:15:25]  He really said he doesn't enjoy frying his enemies, but he does enjoy watching their guts spill out and die slowly.
[01:15:35]  Painfully.
[01:15:36]  Right, right, right.
[01:15:37]  He's not a sociopath or a psychopath, Dan.
[01:15:39]  That would be crazy.
[01:15:40]  The thing that I really need to put a sharp focus on here is that, like, if he's telling the truth, this is the most fucked up thing ever.
[01:15:47]  But unfortunately, if he's lying, it's even more fucked up.
[01:15:49]  This is insanely fucked up to lie about murdering people?
[01:15:53]  And he wants to be presented and seen by his audience as someone who would have slowly and painfully murdered multiple people.
[01:16:02]  Yes.
[01:16:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:16:03]  That seems okay or positive to him.
[01:16:05]  Right, right, which is really gross.
[01:16:08]  This man is just sick.
[01:16:10]  Look, it's a stand-your-ground law, even if the ground is below a human's body.
[01:16:14]  You still get to stand on that ground, I believe.
[01:16:17]  Fucking gross.
[01:16:18]  That is disgusting.
[01:16:19]  Child.
[01:16:20]  So anyway, he rambles a bit about CNN because, you know, Wolf Blitzer got to throw some shots at him, and then, you know, he's not the only one who's going to get it.
[01:16:29]  Sure.
[01:16:29]  Anderson Cooper.
[01:16:31]  A lot of people are going to be tried.
[01:16:32]  Yeah.
[01:16:32]  And if you forget about gods, they're not gods anymore, but Anderson.
[01:16:37]  Oh, Anderson.
[01:16:39]  Just because you're the last Vanderbilt on the planet, your brother.
[01:16:45]  No, he's going to kill the Vanderbilt shot.
[01:16:50]  Because your brother wouldn't bend over.
[01:16:54]  What?
[01:16:58]  You're not going to gang rape America by yourself.
[01:17:02]  So after getting mad at Wolf Blitzer, Alex descends into a rant just generally about CNN being bad, and it's pretty boring and formulaic.
[01:17:09]  Yeah.
[01:17:09]  I decided to cut this clip, though, because it really illustrates how Alex is just making up the bullshit he says in his ramblings.
[01:17:15]  For one, in 1988, Anderson Cooper's brother, Carter, committed suicide by jumping out of a window.
[01:17:21]  This is absolutely tragic, and their mother believes that this was the result of a psychotic episode caused by bad drug interaction, but Alex is rewriting it, which is a fucking gross thing to do.
[01:17:30]  Yeah.
[01:17:31]  Regardless, Anderson Cooper does not just have one sibling.
[01:17:35]  Sure, maybe his only brother from that marriage, that marriage of his mother's, was Carter.
[01:17:40]  But their father, Wyatt Emery Cooper, is not where the Vanderbilt lineage comes from.
[01:17:45]  That's from his mother's side.
[01:17:46]  And Gloria Vanderbilt already had two sons when she married Cooper, and they're both still alive.
[01:17:52]  Ipso facto, Anderson Cooper is not the last Vanderbilt.
[01:17:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:17:56]  And that's not even considering that Gloria Vanderbilt had a sister, Kathleen Vanderbilt, or the fact that Cornelius Vanderbilt was their great-great-grandfather, and he had 13 children.
[01:18:07]  The family is very diffused now, and there are a ton of living Vanderbilts.
[01:18:11]  Like, guess who?
[01:18:12]  Timothy Oliphant, who was Anderson Cooper's third cousin once removed.
[01:18:16]  All right.
[01:18:16]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:18:17]  You probably didn't even know that Timothy Oliphant is a Vanderbilt.
[01:18:20]  I didn't know that.
[01:18:21]  That's just because he's being sneaky with a different last name.
[01:18:23]  That does sound right.
[01:18:24]  Like Anderson Cooper.
[01:18:25]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:18:25]  I'm not going to hire Timothy Vanderbilt to be in my western.
[01:18:28]  I'll tell you that right now.
[01:18:29]  Timothy Oliphant, get him in there.
[01:18:31]  But what about James Vanderbilt, the guy who wrote the movie Zodiac, The Amazing Spider-Man, and White House Down?
[01:18:37]  That dude also wrote The Meg, which is that movie about Jason Statham fighting a shark.
[01:18:42]  There are tons of other Vanderbilts who are still alive.
[01:18:45]  You just don't know about it because it doesn't mean anything anymore.
[01:18:48]  The Meg is predictive programming, though.
[01:18:50]  Jason Statham will have to fight a shark eventually.
[01:18:53]  Yes.
[01:18:53]  Alex is making up that Anderson Cooper is the last Vanderbilt to make him seem like more of a villain and as an opportunity to mock him for his brother's death because Alex is a profoundly bad person.
[01:19:03]  And also, it turns out he probably killed a lot of people.
[01:19:06]  Yeah, he's a sociopath and a psychopath.
[01:19:08]  Yeah, he is the worst.
[01:19:09]  He is a fucking monster.
[01:19:10]  Yeah.
[01:19:11]  But this is my educational corner where I teach the world that Timothy Oliphant is related to the Vanderbilt.
[01:19:17]  That is fun.
[01:19:18]  That is a nice little fun fact.
[01:19:19]  Yeah.
[01:19:20]  So Alex goes out to break and he comes back and he's got, he wants to touch on the Roger Stone news.
[01:19:27]  Oh, I imagined he would.
[01:19:28]  But I'm just going to stop now and go to your calls until the very end.
[01:19:32]  And I've got to hit this Roger Stone thing.
[01:19:35]  Or maybe I should just do it at the start of the weekday show tomorrow at 11 a.m.
[01:19:39]  It's all over the news that, well, Roger has to go to prison for a long time because he violated the gag order talking to Alex Jones.
[01:19:48]  Really?
[01:19:49]  Really?
[01:19:50]  It was about the trial.
[01:19:51]  You're that much of a narcissist.
[01:19:53]  Roger said in news articles that he wanted a pardon from Trump if he was convicted.
[01:20:04]  That's his right.
[01:20:07]  And it's un-American what this judge is doing.
[01:20:11]  It's insane.
[01:20:12]  Roger isn't going to prison because he violated the gag order to talk to Alex.
[01:20:15]  No, he isn't.
[01:20:16]  This is one of the more pathetic strawman attempts I've seen from Alex lately.
[01:20:19]  Seems like he doesn't have a good angle on this.
[01:20:22]  Also, news.
[01:20:23]  Because he's guilty.
[01:20:23]  That's a problem.
[01:20:24]  That is a problem.
[01:20:25]  Yeah, that's an issue.
[01:20:26]  News broke that prosecutors are saying that Roger should do between seven to nine years in prison, which means he'll be in like three, maybe.
[01:20:33]  Yeah.
[01:20:33]  Probably won't even.
[01:20:34]  I have no faith in the system anymore.
[01:20:36]  Nope.
[01:20:36]  He's not going to prison, I'm sure.
[01:20:38]  Trump's going to pardon him.
[01:20:39]  Interestingly.
[01:20:39]  There are no consequences for his actions anymore.
[01:20:42]  This episode that we're listening to is from Sunday, the 9th of February.
[01:20:45]  Outlets didn't report the prosecutor's request for sentencing until Monday afternoon, which is the 10th.
[01:20:51]  This heavily implies to me that Alex is getting this news from Roger himself or one of his associates.
[01:20:57]  And the spin is to say that he's being sent to prison for defending himself or some shit.
[01:21:00]  Sure.
[01:21:01]  It's pretty sad, but I'm not going to get too invested in it because, like I said, I have little faith that he's going to see the inside of a prison cell.
[01:21:07]  No.
[01:21:07]  For now, this is just more of that classic conservative victimhood narrative building.
[01:21:11]  It's just very, very regular.
[01:21:14]  It is so annoying that the people who fucking run everything now complain about being the victim.
[01:21:20]  Totally.
[01:21:20]  That's so annoying.
[01:21:21]  Yep.
[01:21:22]  And it's all because a gag order, man.
[01:21:25]  But Alex has a defense for that, which isn't good because it's a defense that he denies whenever he has to go to court.
[01:21:31]  And they want me arrested, they've said, for violating the gag order.
[01:21:35]  I talked to five lawyers about it.
[01:21:37]  Plus, I know common sense.
[01:21:38]  I'm a journalist.
[01:21:40]  She only has her little district.
[01:21:42]  I'm covering what she's doing.
[01:21:44]  Everybody else is.
[01:21:45]  But she says I can't talk about it.

=== Strange Journalist Tactics (10:13) ===

[01:21:47]  Alex is conveniently not a journalist whenever he's in a deposition.
[01:21:52]  It is strange how that happens.
[01:21:53]  It is strange how that happens.
[01:21:54]  Well, he feels like he's a journalist on air.
[01:21:57]  So it's a character.
[01:21:58]  Well, he's a journalist reporting that he stomped the guts out of multiple people he's around.
[01:22:03]  I don't think Chuck Todd would keep his job if he was just on air just being like, oh, man.
[01:22:08]  I love murder.
[01:22:09]  Oh, I just murder people all the time.
[01:22:12]  I don't like murdering people, but when you do murder somebody, oh, it feels good to watch them die slowly.
[01:22:18]  So there's a hastily put together commercial that Alex plays multiple times during this show.
[01:22:25]  And I think it's kind of interesting.
[01:22:26]  So I want to play a tiny piece of it.
[01:22:28]  We've now confirmed from major food suppliers across the United States that they've already run out of supplies of storable foods because of institutional and governmental buyers.
[01:22:37]  That's right.
[01:22:38]  The rich, the powerful, the elite, big corporations are now buying up food stores at alarming rates.
[01:22:43]  So I've been meaning to get into this for a while, but I keep forgetting.
[01:22:46]  So now is a good time.
[01:22:48]  The main driver of the sales pitch that Alex is going with here regarding the survival food from my Patriot supply is that bulk buyers are coming in and buying up all the survival food on the market.
[01:22:57]  So you need to act now to get your food so your family doesn't starve.
[01:23:00]  Otherwise, it's going to be an armored redoubt.
[01:23:03]  It's a pretty exploitative and gross marketing scheme.
[01:23:05]  But what if I were to tell you, Jordan, that I've seen this exact same marketing campaign before?
[01:23:11]  Do you mean everywhere simultaneously right now?
[01:23:14]  A while back, we talked about those commercials that Alex used to run for the weird device, which I think was a solar-powered thing.
[01:23:21]  It was a cryptic commercial that warned of an impending collapse where you'd need this weird device.
[01:23:25]  And the pitch man was a guy named Frank Bates.
[01:23:28]  And this is a guy who's like, hey, I'm a right-wing, I'm just like you, I'm Middle America.
[01:23:32]  Right, right, right.
[01:23:33]  I'm on the grift.
[01:23:34]  Right.
[01:23:34]  As we discussed when we went over this, Frank Bates is a fake character designed to appeal to paranoid conservative radio listeners.
[01:23:41]  He was the creation of an affiliate marketing scam artist named Alan Balor, who ran a company called Reboot Marketing.
[01:23:47]  Under the umbrella of Reboot Marketing, Balor had a ton of little smaller grifts, and one of them was Food for Patriots.
[01:23:54]  In 2013, Food for Patriots was selling survival food by warning their customers that FEMA was trying to buy up all the food, trying to secure 420 million meals to feed people in their FEMA camps.
[01:24:06]  FEMA was buying up all the other available food, but you could still get food from Food for Patriots because, unlike other companies, they weren't sellouts to the man.
[01:24:15]  This dude, Alan Balor, made a shit ton of money playing on the fears of scared conservative audiences of people who'd been trained to think that any day Obama was going to put them in a FEMA camp.
[01:24:26]  So, in part, thanks to the fake persona of Frank Bates, who was a guy just like them who had a hot tip.
[01:24:32]  Alex is doing the same thing now.
[01:24:34]  And based on the fact that Alex used to air weird device commercials, I wouldn't be surprised if he also advertised Food for Patriots.
[01:24:43]  Except I'm certain that he didn't, because Food for Patriots wasn't a real company.
[01:24:48]  It was just Alan Baylor reselling food from My Patriot supply at a markup.
[01:24:53]  All right.
[01:24:54]  All right.
[01:24:54]  This scam is evergreen.
[01:24:56]  It's a good scam.
[01:24:57]  Because Alex's show, and basically the entirety of right-wing media, is predicated on amplifying manufactured fear to distract from the very real problems that they're making worse.
[01:25:07]  There will always be some sort of an issue to make profitable.
[01:25:10]  Sometimes it's a black president you're sure is going to lock you in a FEMA camp.
[01:25:13]  Sometimes it's a public health crisis.
[01:25:15]  But no matter the exact character of the thing you're supposed to be afraid of, if you listen to Alex, rest assured that it will be used to sell you bullshit.
[01:25:23]  And My Patriot Supply is going to be there, happily taking a cut.
[01:25:27]  Alan Baylor was laughing his ass off at idiots who believed that Frank Bates was a real person.
[01:25:32]  And you have to be a complete idiot to think that Alex isn't on some level laughing at the people who think he's sincere too.
[01:25:38]  Yep.
[01:25:39]  Yep, that's, that's, why is it so easy to get these people to believe grifters and impossible to get them to believe grifters are grifters?
[01:25:49]  Well, because I think a lot of it is really targeted at soft spots in people's psyches.
[01:25:55]  Right, right.
[01:25:56]  Fear is something that really overrides a lot of your rational thinking.
[01:25:59]  And I think something that you viscerally and emotionally are taught isn't something that's very easy to rationally unteach.
[01:26:09]  Sure.
[01:26:10]  I think that those are such different processes that you want it to be.
[01:26:15]  You wish that it could be that, but it's just, unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way.
[01:26:19]  Yeah.
[01:26:20]  And even worse is that when you, you know, if you can't counteract an emotion like fear with rational thought, you think, well, maybe you try and create, you try and use a different emotion to counteract it, and then you have no fucking clue how that's going to go down.
[01:26:35]  Nobody knows what happens whenever you start amping people up in all directions.
[01:26:39]  And I think that there's also a secondary problem that comes in that these people like Alex have a built-in way around one of the teachable moments that could happen is like, yes, you emotionally are tricked into buying all their shit because of this crisis.
[01:26:55]  And then when the crisis doesn't happen, you would look back and be like, hey, wait a second.
[01:27:01]  You guys fucked with me.
[01:27:02]  Ah, because you bought this food.
[01:27:04]  Well, you averted it.
[01:27:06]  It's not that direct.
[01:27:08]  The game is, well, we, look, yes, we narrowly escaped whatever this crisis was.
[01:27:15]  And that way you guarantee that you'll have the ability to run this scam the next time.
[01:27:19]  It's like, yes, last time we almost, we, you almost needed that food last time.
[01:27:23]  This time, don't, don't fuck it up.
[01:27:26]  Yeah.
[01:27:26]  So it's all just super exploitative marketing.
[01:27:31]  And that's sad.
[01:27:32]  That makes me very sad.
[01:27:33]  It is sad.
[01:27:34]  And it's so clear how like Alex, when he's off air, he's got to be laughing at people.
[01:27:42]  And also, he, let me go, let me go back to my notes on his weird ramble.
[01:27:48]  He does not like it when people manipulate his feelings.
[01:27:51]  No.
[01:27:52]  So it is totally fine for him, though, to manipulate other people's feelings.
[01:27:56]  Well, that's the best way to make sure no one's manipulating yours.
[01:27:59]  And only sociopaths and psychopaths would enjoy manipulating other people's feelings.
[01:28:04]  Right.
[01:28:05]  There we go.
[01:28:05]  So Alex goes to calls in the second hour of Sunday's show.
[01:28:10]  And one of his callers has a theory about the Wuhan quarantine that is.
[01:28:16]  Bernie's going to kill China.
[01:28:18]  No, it's dumber.
[01:28:19]  Let's talk to Luke in Illinois.
[01:28:21]  Thanks for calling, Luke.
[01:28:26]  What if this whole coronavirus in China is just a ruse just to mask massive amounts of people movements?
[01:28:34]  So they get all these people inside these buildings, then they go into the deep tunnel systems and move all these large, huge quantities of people wherever it is that they want, preparing for a possible ground invasion, per se.
[01:28:50]  I mean, what's to stop them?
[01:28:52]  Sure, you know, mainstream media tells us don't speculate.
[01:28:55]  In a world of constant lies and disinfo and the whole history of governments staging lies and huge hoaxes, you'd be crazy not to say that anything's possible.
[01:29:04]  This caller is a real dum-dum.
[01:29:06]  Although I do agree with Alex that everyone has a right to speculate about things, totally.
[01:29:10]  Sure.
[01:29:11]  I wouldn't say that this guy can't sit around and think about how maybe this whole coronavirus situation is just to get millions of people into a big building so they can go through some underground tunnels so they can gain the element of surprise in a ground invasion of somewhere.
[01:29:24]  I think that's exactly the sort of thing that's appropriate for a conversation that involves a couple of dumb college students and a blunt.
[01:29:29]  It's just not a serious theory.
[01:29:32]  Everyone has the right to speculate, but that doesn't mean that all speculation should be respected and taken as equal.
[01:29:37]  Some speculation is really stupid.
[01:29:40]  And just because Alex wants to pretend that there's moral virtue in his practice of not doing any work, that doesn't mean he needs to validate shit like that.
[01:29:47]  A couple points.
[01:29:49]  If this were the plan, I'm not sure how they would be, where they would be ground invading.
[01:29:54]  Wuhan is pretty inland in China, so those would have to be really fucking long underground.
[01:30:00]  They'd be big tunnels.
[01:30:01]  They'd be big tunnels.
[01:30:02]  Which I have to assume someone would have seen being constructed.
[01:30:05]  We got the channel, man.
[01:30:06]  We can make a tunnel anywhere.
[01:30:07]  The closest border to Wuhan is the East China Sea.
[01:30:10]  So I assume that's not where they're going to invade.
[01:30:12]  Probably not.
[01:30:13]  After that, the closest country is Vietnam, but I don't think invading there makes a whole lot of sense.
[01:30:17]  It's time to solve the issue once and for all, Dan.
[01:30:20]  We're going to kill thousands of people, build a tunnel to Vietnam, and take the Viet Cong.
[01:30:26]  I think that would be a really strange move geopolitically for China to ground invade.
[01:30:30]  Well, they have to.
[01:30:31]  First, they have to kick out the spider leadership.
[01:30:33]  As we all know, that's a huge issue there.
[01:30:35]  Sure.
[01:30:35]  I mean, if they wanted to go, like, I'm sure that this guy's thinking like North Korea or Russia, but like there's other cities they could have done this in if they wanted to do that.
[01:30:43]  Much closer, much less tunneled.
[01:30:46]  Yeah, but that would set people off.
[01:30:48]  It's too convenient for a tunnel, Dan.
[01:30:50]  If you put it in Wuhan, you know nobody's going to be looking for your tunnels.
[01:30:54]  Very dumb theory.
[01:30:55]  Point is, Alex's own shit is so weak that he can't afford to even push back against the stupidest things his callers say for fear of accidentally training them to think critically.
[01:31:05]  If he helps them recognize why their own idea is bad, it's only a matter of time before they apply that to his bullshit.
[01:31:11]  And the next thing you know, food bucket sales dry up and you can't be having that.
[01:31:16]  So he just allows this.
[01:31:17]  What if, what if Xi Jinping was the only guy to have the coronavirus?
[01:31:23]  So he gave it to other people because he didn't want to be lonely.
[01:31:27]  Right.
[01:31:27]  So Alex takes more dumb calls.
[01:31:29]  And, you know, he's loving taking these calls, though, because it's just like not doing anything.
[01:31:36]  Yeah.
[01:31:37]  Callers say dumb stuff.
[01:31:38]  And then he's like, you know what?
[01:31:39]  We're right.
[01:31:40]  Sounds like a good idea.
[01:31:41]  Hey, let's consider possibilities.
[01:31:43]  So he starts thinking about like, I got to do this call-in show, this show that's just all calls.

=== Call-In Show Magic (04:39) ===

[01:31:50]  And he's like, this would be fucking innovative.
[01:31:53]  Unfortunately, this is kind of like almost like you couldn't write this comedy, what ends up happening.
[01:32:00]  Because after talking about how he's going to do this innovative show that's just calls, he gets a call.
[01:32:05]  You mean a call-in show?
[01:32:06]  Well.
[01:32:07]  In fact, I've been thinking about doing new shows, and I've had a bunch of ideas, but I can tell you, I really think the answer is like two or three hours a day, commercial-free.
[01:32:18]  If TV and radio stations want to pick it up, they can.
[01:32:21]  Just phone calls.
[01:32:22]  People want to hear people.
[01:32:24]  You mean like love that?
[01:32:25]  I just want to have a phone bank where we just don't even screen them.
[01:32:28]  We'll get a lot of really bad calls doing that, you know, cussing, whatever.
[01:32:32]  But just boom, you call, you're on air.
[01:32:34]  What do you have to say?
[01:32:35]  Maybe you get five seconds, maybe you get an hour.
[01:32:38]  But do you imagine just a network, a satellite of just phone calls and Skype calls?
[01:32:44]  Yes.
[01:32:45]  C-SPAN.
[01:32:45]  No, I'm coming to you.
[01:32:47]  You're like, let's blip, blip, blip, blip.
[01:32:49]  Oh, Skype.
[01:32:50]  I want to do that.
[01:32:51]  That's what I want to do next.
[01:32:53]  I used to innovate stuff.
[01:32:54]  Now I just fight the globalist all day.
[01:32:56]  But thank you, Luke.
[01:32:57]  You do less than that.
[01:32:58]  He's the Patriots and talks of his own right.
[01:33:00]  Every time we say it's not first-time callers, he calls in.
[01:33:03]  We love him.
[01:33:04]  Chase, what do you think's going on?
[01:33:06]  Hey, Alex, thanks for taking my call, brother.
[01:33:08]  Yeah, you know, real quick, I think that show you were talking about is my show, actually.
[01:33:11]  We get people from all over the country and world calling in.
[01:33:14]  I love it.
[01:33:15]  And you're right.
[01:33:15]  There are some crazy, so it's a little dangerous.
[01:33:17]  So Alex is anymore.
[01:33:20]  This thing is hilarious.
[01:33:22]  The next call he goes to is like, hey, that's what I do.
[01:33:24]  That's what I do.
[01:33:25]  That's my show, Alex.
[01:33:26]  Alex has got to be sitting there like, why did I go to that?
[01:33:29]  Alex, you're still not innovating, buddy.
[01:33:31]  Oh, my God.
[01:33:32]  Yeah, that's really sad.
[01:33:34]  Terrible.
[01:33:34]  So Alex goes to Chase the Patriots dumb, and he has a stupid point to make.
[01:33:38]  I don't even remember what it was.
[01:33:40]  But Alex gets another caller.
[01:33:42]  And man, this guy is a weirdo.
[01:33:44]  This guy, I kind of dig his vibe, though.
[01:33:46]  Okay.
[01:33:47]  Jerome in New York.
[01:33:49]  You're on the air, Jerome.
[01:33:50]  Are you in New York State or New York City?
[01:33:53]  I'm in the Big Apple over here in Chinatown.
[01:33:55]  It's 6.40 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, but guess what?
[01:34:00]  In mainland, China, it's 7.40 a.m. over there.
[01:34:03]  Shanghai, Beijing, Shengzhou, Guangzhou.
[01:34:07]  Hey, it's time to get up and let's get to work, folks.
[01:34:10]  Not unless you got a lot of money.
[01:34:11]  Not unless you're retired.
[01:34:13]  Not that you can work from the house.
[01:34:15]  So guess what?
[01:34:15]  You're going to go get on the bus.
[01:34:16]  You're going to get on the subway.
[01:34:18]  You get on the train.
[01:34:21]  I don't know what's going to go on now, man.
[01:34:23]  That's not good.
[01:34:28]  I do like his vibe, too.
[01:34:30]  He's got a good vibe.
[01:34:31]  He's got a musical kind of speech pattern to him.
[01:34:34]  I think he was getting to like, and he never really gets to the point.
[01:34:39]  He doesn't need a point.
[01:34:40]  He transcends points.
[01:34:41]  I think what he was heading towards is like, there is people with the virus, and now you got to go get on public transit, and that's not good.
[01:34:47]  I think that's what he was getting to.
[01:34:49]  But if he wasn't, and he was just like, hey, it's morning in China.
[01:34:52]  You got to get up.
[01:34:53]  You got to go do some stuff.
[01:34:54]  You got to get on the bus.
[01:34:56]  You got to get in your car.
[01:34:57]  You're not going to see a lot of traffic.
[01:34:58]  Let's get out there and hustle.
[01:34:59]  Remember, buddy, come on.
[01:35:00]  You got a work to do.
[01:35:01]  Unless you're retired, unless you're sitting there.
[01:35:03]  Get out there and get that money.
[01:35:06]  Go clock in.
[01:35:07]  It's almost like it's motivational.
[01:35:09]  And it really is like if it was being played in China, people in Wuhan would be like, all right, we can do this.
[01:35:15]  All right, man.
[01:35:16]  I'm feeling it.
[01:35:16]  This guy's got, I don't understand a word he is saying, but he's got that musical tone.
[01:35:20]  It's almost like something you would hear, like, hey, you know, hey, it's morning time in China.
[01:35:26]  You gotta, hey, unless you're retired or rich enough not to work, you gotta get out there.
[01:35:30]  All right.
[01:35:30]  Hey, let's go to Lover Boys working for the weekend.
[01:35:36]  It's 7:40 a.m. and Wuhan, everybody.
[01:35:39]  We're gonna have a grand old time.
[01:35:40]  Everybody, get your party hats on.
[01:35:42]  We're gonna get right on to it, baby.
[01:35:44]  Here's Dolly Parton's 9 to 5.
[01:35:47]  It almost feels like what a drive-time DJ.
[01:35:50]  Like a morning DJ would have this riff every Monday.
[01:35:54]  That's what it feels like.
[01:35:56]  All right, it's Monday.
[01:35:57]  It's 6 a.m.
[01:35:58]  We're gonna play some 311 for you, piss off somebody else.
[01:36:01]  No, never.
[01:36:03]  So I've made the point that Alex is like the way he's selling this immune gargle and his toothpaste that has the silver in it is really, really inappropriate.

=== Stay Frosty! (04:28) ===

[01:36:11]  And the way he's been making health claims about it is really bad.
[01:36:14]  But now it's even branching out even further because now he's advising a caller to use it for protection against coronavirus.
[01:36:25]  I did buy your immune gargle and toothpaste and all this stuff this week because I got to go back to Taiwan tomorrow.
[01:36:34]  Yeah, no, if I was going to Taiwan, I'd be guzzling the nano-patented silver we've got that's been proven to be able to kill SARS.
[01:36:43]  Whoa!
[01:36:44]  Just because you have it in your mouth because this is the same family of SARS that's going to stop it.
[01:36:50]  No, but this is damn proven to be very effective.
[01:36:54]  So, I mean, we're getting now to the point where it's health advice that he's giving based on these claims that he's making.
[01:37:01]  And I mean, I just think he's nestled into a real comfort about this.
[01:37:06]  Yeah, I don't know how this is okay.
[01:37:08]  It's not.
[01:37:10]  Some press needs to take this because it's not like the FDA or the FDA jump in and be like, yeah, that's a correction that I need to make also: is that apparently because he's making these claims in the speech form as opposed to the label on his bottle, it's more an issue with the Federal Trade Commission than it is for the FDA.
[01:37:31]  I got those mixed up a little bit in terms of what they monitor.
[01:37:34]  Yeah, this would have been a great piece for Gawker, but unfortunately, Peter Thiel funded lawsuits.
[01:37:40]  Mark Hogan, stop that.
[01:37:42]  Yep.
[01:37:43]  So, granted, I mean, he's making all these pretty outrageous commercials about the gargle, but we do know that Alex had his first fever in four years.
[01:37:54]  Yeah.
[01:37:54]  And he took the gargle and it cured him.
[01:37:56]  Absolutely.
[01:37:57]  He was totally cured.
[01:37:57]  Remember, he said it cured him.
[01:37:59]  Of course.
[01:37:59]  Turns out it didn't.
[01:38:00]  Oh, no.
[01:38:00]  I'm kind of exhausted today.
[01:38:02]  I was bragging.
[01:38:04]  I mean, I knocked on wood, but had had a cold over four years.
[01:38:08]  And then I got one this week.
[01:38:09]  So I'm kind of out of it today.
[01:38:10]  I had a lot of family stuff going on.
[01:38:12]  So I'm trying as best I can.
[01:38:13]  I'm sorry to Pastor Sam and Teddy.
[01:38:15]  Call me back tomorrow.
[01:38:16]  Oh, it looks like he was lying.
[01:38:18]  Pastor Sam and Teddy?
[01:38:19]  Pastor Sam calls in all the time.
[01:38:20]  Okay.
[01:38:21]  Looks like he was lying about the immune gargle or curing him.
[01:38:24]  Wow.
[01:38:25]  So great.
[01:38:25]  Steve Pieczenik does still have the coronavirus.
[01:38:28]  I don't know if you know this, but a lot of the health claims that these guys are making.
[01:38:32]  Cured himself.
[01:38:33]  Okay.
[01:38:34]  So Alex is that's his way of being like, I can't take any more calls.
[01:38:37]  Yeah.
[01:38:38]  And I don't know.
[01:38:38]  I don't, this is, this just struck me as kind of weird.
[01:38:42]  Alex ends the show by sort of vamping, doing kind of like an Oscars style thank you.
[01:38:48]  A list of thank yous.
[01:38:49]  Okay.
[01:38:49]  I appreciate this break crew coming in tonight on Sunday, doing a fantastic job.
[01:38:54]  I want to thank all the affiliates.
[01:38:55]  That's AM FM, TV, UHF, VHF cable.
[01:38:59]  Want to thank everybody and just encourage folks to stay frosty.
[01:39:03]  Stay frosty.
[01:39:04]  Stay frosty.
[01:39:06]  Jesus Christ.
[01:39:08]  Oh, my God.
[01:39:09]  That's how he wraps up the show.
[01:39:10]  There's a lot of thank yous.
[01:39:11]  Hey, everybody, stay frosty out there.
[01:39:13]  Oh, God.
[01:39:14]  So I was just going to do an episode about the 9th because I think there's plenty in there.
[01:39:18]  Alex getting freaked out about 3-11.
[01:39:21]  Yeah.
[01:39:21]  Getting back into Seth Rich.
[01:39:23]  Hey, it's 7:40 a.m.
[01:39:25]  I could just listen to that clip.
[01:39:26]  Yeah, for sure.
[01:39:27]  Alex's lies about Wolf Blitzer that lead to him confessing to multiple murders.
[01:39:31]  Right.
[01:39:32]  There's a lot going on.
[01:39:33]  Those are an issue.
[01:39:34]  But then I started to listen to the 10th because I got a tip off that Robert Barnes was back.
[01:39:39]  Oh, no.
[01:39:39]  And so I was like, I'll go ahead and listen to this episode.
[01:39:42]  Well, of course.
[01:39:43]  Barnes' appearance isn't really that exciting.
[01:39:46]  Did they make up?
[01:39:48]  Barnes seems to be willing to call in now as opposed to come to studio very frequently.
[01:39:55]  He calls in, and it's fine.
[01:39:56]  It's whatever.
[01:39:57]  He's like calling for a new church committee hearing and whatever.
[01:40:01]  But there is something that's going on that's worth noting on this episode.
[01:40:05]  I'm not going to get into his standard coronavirus stuff because it's just background dressing on this episode.
[01:40:12]  There's something more important going on.
[01:40:14]  The first is that Alex is really excited about things that Charles Murray has to say, which is a bad idea.
[01:40:20]  But that leads him to basically telling his audience that it's time to go to the woods.

=== Move to Small Towns (05:33) ===

[01:40:28]  Oh, okay.
[01:40:28]  Charles Murray says we're living in post-America.
[01:40:33]  He says, move to a small town to survive the collapse.
[01:40:40]  And yes, if we don't turn America around and rout the leftist poison ideology that is designed to collapse society, then the producers,
[01:40:56]  whether you be white, black, Hispanic, old, young, but people that want to live like normal humans and want to live in what America was, if you don't want to live in the globalist paradigm that's actually taking us backwards, we're going to have to move to geographic areas and then pass laws and have culture and systems that do not tolerate the left because they don't tolerate us.
[01:41:21]  They come in and take over and then end fair elections.
[01:41:24]  I wonder if that's going to end up looking at all like a white ethno-state theocracy.
[01:41:29]  Wonder.
[01:41:30]  Yeah.
[01:41:30]  This isn't good, man.
[01:41:32]  Charles Murray is the author of the book The Bell Curve, which has been widely discredited, but yet lives on as one of the foundational texts among the race IQ people who like to argue that minorities are genetically less intelligent than white people.
[01:41:44]  But white people less intelligent than Ashkenazi Jews.
[01:41:47]  Well, hey.
[01:41:48]  That's another part of white supremacy.
[01:41:50]  Respect your enemy.
[01:41:52]  His career has largely been about trying to take social ills like racism and sexism and explain them with genetics.
[01:41:58]  And it has not been a good career.
[01:42:00]  You don't have to feel like it's your fault at all.
[01:42:03]  Charles Lane did a piece on the bell curve in the New York Review of Books and noted that it was weird how a number of the experts he cites in the book are explicit racists and Nazi sympathizers, less than they are respected experts in the field that the book is supposed to be covering.
[01:42:17]  It's a pretty well-explained thing that the bell curve is trash.
[01:42:19]  And I would say that if you hear anyone citing it as a source or speaking well of Charles Murray, that's a red flag.
[01:42:25]  They might have some crypto positions.
[01:42:26]  They're trying to sneak into the conversation.
[01:42:28]  Seems like Alex might be into what this dude's got to say.
[01:42:32]  And now we've got to isolate.
[01:42:34]  We've got to move our conservative right-wing stuff into small areas and then take over.
[01:42:40]  That's a bad development.
[01:42:42]  I would prefer if they just went to the regular woods and stayed there.
[01:42:46]  Get rid of everybody.
[01:42:47]  Get rid of your social security cards.
[01:42:49]  Get rid of all ideas.
[01:42:52]  Sovereign citizens are going to do that.
[01:42:53]  I'm talking rank and file GOP.
[01:42:55]  We've got to get them all into the woods.
[01:42:57]  Well, it's more about going to rural areas, which is what Alex is telling his audience explicitly that it is time to draw.
[01:43:03]  Right.
[01:43:03]  You need to self-select.
[01:43:05]  If you have children, you have a duty to go to rural Christian areas and to raise them outside of the big cities in the suburbs.
[01:43:15]  It's not running to go to those places, but you have to be politically involved and fight for the rest of the nation and against the globals while you're there.
[01:43:23]  But you need to run with your children to the most conservative Christian nationalist patriot area you can.
[01:43:30]  Okay.
[01:43:30]  This is like, I know that his audience probably isn't going to hear that and be like, well, let's go.
[01:43:36]  But if there are a couple people who take his advice, he's basically telling his audience to uproot their lives and go someplace where they can be in a cult kind of.
[01:43:46]  Yes.
[01:43:47]  Yes.
[01:43:48]  What they should do is go create utopian communes based around Christian conservative ideology.
[01:43:56]  You know how those work out.
[01:43:57]  I don't think that this is a good development, but Alex is pretty consistent about it throughout this show.
[01:44:02]  He's hitting this note hard.
[01:44:04]  His rhetoric has taken the Jim Jones fleeing to Guiana kind of.
[01:44:10]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:44:12]  It's approaching that step, or at least that sort of conversation is becoming introduced into the proceedings, which is not good.
[01:44:18]  I mean, I think it's also part of the just voting block, that idea of people in cities are more exposed to learning and less likely to be.
[01:44:30]  You call it learning.
[01:44:31]  Yes.
[01:44:32]  Oh, I apologize.
[01:44:32]  Brainwashing.
[01:44:33]  Yes.
[01:44:33]  Apologies.
[01:44:34]  But this also raises the question of like, Alex, you live in Austin.
[01:44:37]  What are you talking about?
[01:44:38]  He's moved to the woods.
[01:44:40]  He has not.
[01:44:41]  Although he does make a completely not true claim in this next clip.
[01:44:45]  And as soon as I can, I am moving out of Austin.
[01:44:48]  You know, my mom's from here and my family's from here.
[01:44:52]  But it is, I would never move my children to San Francisco.
[01:44:56]  And it's San Francisco in a lot of areas now, and it's getting worse.
[01:44:59]  You can afford it.
[01:45:00]  And as California collapses, and our offices are here, there's no way I can move these offices.
[01:45:05]  But I certainly can move my children to a safer distance away from Sodom and Gomorrah.
[01:45:12]  And then the future telecommute in a lot of the time because we have to put our money where our mouths are.
[01:45:20]  Which you don't do.
[01:45:21]  It really is time to evacuate every major blue city crap hole.
[01:45:25]  So Alex is suggesting that he's going to move away from Austin and telecommute in.
[01:45:31]  He's just going to do his show remotely from somewhere.
[01:45:34]  Well, why do you need that multi-million dollar studio?
[01:45:37]  Well, I mean, it's not that.
[01:45:38]  You don't need that anymore.
[01:45:40]  I wonder if this is maybe an excuse for the coming downsizing that he's going to have to do because he's running out of fucking money, even with the infusion of whatever he's making from the silver and food bucket sales.

=== Mafia Ties and Morbidity Rate (08:43) ===

[01:45:51]  It's not enough to write the ship.
[01:45:54]  I think this is bullshit.
[01:45:55]  I think it's bullshit.
[01:45:56]  I do too.
[01:45:56]  But it could be a preemptive priming of people for when inevitably he might be doing a podcast.
[01:46:03]  What an asshole.
[01:46:04]  Hey, it's the only way to do it safely.
[01:46:06]  I had to get out of the blue city.
[01:46:08]  I'm competing with another podcast for number one Alex Jones-based podcast.
[01:46:13]  Good luck.
[01:46:14]  Good luck, Alex.
[01:46:15]  Good luck, buddy.
[01:46:15]  We'll see you on iTunes.
[01:46:16]  Or not.
[01:46:17]  Probably won't be allowed.
[01:46:18]  No, I don't think he'll be allowed on iTunes.
[01:46:20]  So Alex takes some calls, and of course, the subject of the coronavirus comes up.
[01:46:24]  And man, that dude who was talking about the sort of tunnel theory, he was dumb.
[01:46:32]  But this guy is also dumb.
[01:46:33]  We're going to find out real quick the morbidity rate.
[01:46:36]  And I hope it's super low.
[01:46:38]  In fact, I hope it's zero.
[01:46:39]  What are you predicting it's going to be?
[01:46:42]  I'm hoping it's going to be low.
[01:46:44]  But like my brother told me, I don't know where he got this from or thought of it, but he said, just remember, don't pop any bubble rat because all that air comes from China.
[01:46:53]  Another good point.
[01:46:55]  Another good point.
[01:47:02]  You know that the Chinese have ruined even the satisfying feeling of popping bubble wrap, Dan, with their air that they put inside the bubble.
[01:47:11]  Totally.
[01:47:12]  And Alex's response is another great idea.
[01:47:15]  So first of all, why are you asking this random caller what his prediction is for the morbidity rate?
[01:47:21]  Ridiculous.
[01:47:22]  I don't know, but Chinese air will kill you.
[01:47:25]  It's in bubble wrap.
[01:47:26]  It's in popcorn.
[01:47:28]  The largest bubble wrap company in the world is Sealed Air Corporation, which was started by Seal Wrap.
[01:47:34]  It was an engineer who lived in New Jersey.
[01:47:37]  Their headquarters is currently in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I can find no evidence that their bubble wrap is primarily made in China.
[01:47:43]  Also, bubble wrap is sterile the inside of it.
[01:47:46]  I don't know.
[01:47:47]  So much so that you can find a 2014 study from NPR.
[01:47:50]  I'm sorry, story from NPR about how researchers at Harvard found that they could use bubble wrap as makeshift kind of test tube, which could have amazing applications for underfunded scientists, particularly in developing countries.
[01:48:04]  They wrote up their findings in the journal Analytical Chemistry and everything.
[01:48:09]  That's really cool.
[01:48:10]  Yeah.
[01:48:10]  A follow-up study in the Biomedical Optics Express journal had this in its abstract.
[01:48:16]  Quote, in this paper, we demonstrate that the bubbles of bubble wrap make ideal trapping chambers for integration with low-cost optical manipulation.
[01:48:24]  The interior of the bubbles is sterile and gas permeable, allowing for the bubbles to be used to store and culture cells, while the flat side of the bubble wrap is of efficient optical quality to allow for optical trapping inside the bubbles.
[01:48:37]  If the interior of bubble wrap is sterile enough for scientists to use them to create lab cultures, I don't think this caller and his dumb brother need to be too worried about it.
[01:48:46]  But here, again, we have Alex responding to a caller making a very stupid point by saying it's a good point.
[01:48:51]  It's almost like he has a vested interest in validating and supporting really bad thinking in his audience.
[01:48:56]  Jesus Christ.
[01:48:57]  Yeah.
[01:48:58]  Jesus.
[01:48:59]  Don't pop those bubbles.
[01:49:01]  You see the games that are being played.
[01:49:02]  Here's all stupid.
[01:49:04]  So we know that in the past, whenever Alex has gone on these large-scale narratives, like with the Boston bombing, in particular, at least in terms of the ones that we've seen and really focused on, and the Trump stuff too, to a certain extent.
[01:49:18]  Sure.
[01:49:20]  We've seen evidence that his traffic was way up.
[01:49:24]  And now, as he embarks on this coronavirus shit, we see him experiencing the same thing.
[01:49:30]  Well, I'll say this.
[01:49:31]  banned.video is really exploding.
[01:49:33]  Solicitors are doing a great job getting the videos out.
[01:49:38]  We're getting four or five, six million views a day now, a man.video that really pisses Google off.
[01:49:44]  And the establishment, they thought they would silence everybody, but they're not going to keep it up.
[01:49:49]  But yes, Dr. Boyle said on Friday the White House should investigate this is man-made.
[01:49:54]  Hours later, they made that announcement.
[01:49:56]  Nope, it was the day before.
[01:49:57]  It was on Thursday they made that announcement.
[01:50:00]  Alex is still trying to create that appearance that the Boyle interview led to Trump science advisor coming out, who I think he still thinks is Anthony Fauci, which is funny.
[01:50:12]  Great.
[01:50:13]  So again, here's another example of Alex using the health claim about the silver in order to sell his toothpaste and immune gargle, which is not cool.
[01:50:25]  We sold out of the 16-ounce nano-silver that's so good to counter the whole coronavirus family.
[01:50:32]  We have a three-ounce left.
[01:50:33]  It's selling out quickly, as well as the one-ounce that's selling out very, very quickly.
[01:50:38]  And it's great to have regardless spray on your hands and body.
[01:50:41]  You can also ingest it.
[01:50:43]  It's at InfoWarstore.com and the entire toothpaste line, both super blue and super silver tooth whitening have it in it as well.
[01:50:51]  So he's just, he's brazen.
[01:50:54]  Just silver, silver, put it in your body.
[01:50:56]  Uh-huh.
[01:50:57]  Jesus.
[01:50:57]  So Alex has Barnes on, and we don't have too many clips of this because I didn't find it all that interesting.
[01:51:02]  Yeah.
[01:51:03]  But there are a couple of things.
[01:51:04]  And one is that they're talking about how Trump has beat the impeachment thing.
[01:51:09]  And so he's like, hey, Barnes, how are they going to come at him next?
[01:51:16]  And I think Alex might have something in mind here.
[01:51:20]  How do you think they're going to try to come up with the president next if he doesn't go on the offense immediately?
[01:51:24]  Stage three is definitely coming.
[01:51:26]  I think they were thinking about these firings, but I think they recognize it's too close in time.
[01:51:30]  So stage three is either going to be right in the middle of the election or right after the election.
[01:51:34]  My guess is it's coming as an October surprise against President Trump again.
[01:51:38]  But what would it be, I'm asking?
[01:51:41]  That level?
[01:51:41]  Oh, it will be of the same, it will be the same type, but they will try to, it will be same international in orientation.
[01:51:47]  It will be some sort of Russian collusion component again.
[01:51:51]  But they've tried the campaign aspect.
[01:51:53]  They've tried the institutional aspect.
[01:51:55]  So my guess is this one's going to be personal.
[01:51:57]  They're going to try to go after him or his son and try to tie it into money in some way.
[01:52:01]  That's right.
[01:52:01]  They're going to try to find somebody that's done something corrupt in their giant orbit, threaten them with prison if they don't say Trump laundered money or something.
[01:52:09]  I agree.
[01:52:10]  They're going to go after Mafia Ties next.
[01:52:12]  That's what my gut tells me.
[01:52:14]  All right, we'll be back.
[01:52:15]  Your call straight ahead.
[01:52:16]  Well, when have we heard Alex talking about Trump and Mafia ties in the past?
[01:52:20]  Jesus.
[01:52:20]  Oh, maybe before he supported Trump when he said, hey, with a name like Corleone, you get arrested, but with a name like Trump, you don't.
[01:52:28]  Trump is mobbed up.
[01:52:29]  He's not really rich.
[01:52:30]  Everyone knows it.
[01:52:33]  Interesting.
[01:52:33]  I think that's preemptive damage control in case there is a story that comes out that is more explicit about linking Trump to mob money.
[01:52:41]  The P-Tape is real.
[01:52:42]  I think that that's Alex recognizing a piece of his awareness.
[01:52:46]  Like you might need to protect against this.
[01:52:48]  So let's predict in advance that this is going to be something that comes up.
[01:52:53]  So it, much like a vaccine, inoculates the audience.
[01:52:56]  That was one of my, that's one of my huge fucking annoyances that the way it was portrayed so many times in so many different media outlets of like, Trump defeats impeachment push or Trump beats the impeachment, which is fucking bullshit.
[01:53:11]  Trump, what he did was everything possible to fuck up the defense that they put towards him.
[01:53:17]  Trump didn't beat shit.
[01:53:18]  Trump was protected by a corrupt fucking fascist organization.
[01:53:24]  That's what happened.
[01:53:25]  All the GOP except Bitt Romney.
[01:53:28]  Don't say Trump beat anything.
[01:53:30]  He did the crime, and then he actively worked to undermine his defense.
[01:53:35]  He further afterwards undermine it more.
[01:53:38]  He tweeted himself through it.
[01:53:39]  That's what he did.
[01:53:40]  Yeah, sure.
[01:53:41]  Self-care with just a bunch of fucking admitting to crimes on video.
[01:53:46]  Assembling perhaps the best legal team this side of the OJ trial.
[01:53:50]  Hey, when you can get Dersh, there's nothing else you can do.
[01:53:53]  Yeah.
[01:53:55]  Jesus Christ.
[01:53:55]  They're talking a little bit about the firings.
[01:53:58]  Trump has started cleaning house for you.
[01:54:01]  And Barnes is super into that.
[01:54:03]  Yeah, that's a surprise.
[01:54:05]  This purge is not a purge.
[01:54:07]  It's a cleaning house.
[01:54:08]  And Bob, I don't want to too much.

=== Numbers of Recovered (03:29) ===

[01:54:10]  I still hear anybody's, but I know the White House listens.
[01:54:13]  I know they've got a whole office does.
[01:54:14]  That's why they want Miller.
[01:54:15]  Stephen Billy plays.
[01:54:17]  We come on Friday with a head of the former bioweapons, treaty developer for the U.S., the head guy.
[01:54:24]  He says they've got to come out.
[01:54:25]  The White House must say it looks like it's man-made.
[01:54:27]  Call for investigation.
[01:54:28]  Five hours later, they do it.
[01:54:30]  He's just lying to Barnes about the timeline.
[01:54:32]  Jeez.
[01:54:33]  Barnes, I'm sure, knows too.
[01:54:35]  Of course.
[01:54:35]  And anybody, even Stephen Miller, if he does listen, which I can't imagine, but even if he does listen, he's like, oh my God, this guy is going to be so easy to use.
[01:54:45]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:54:46]  Like, he's not going to listen to that weird ramble of Alex talking about carpet cleaning and shit and be like, man, this guy is good.
[01:54:52]  He's not going to listen to Alex and be like, when you stomp a guy's guts out, they die slow.
[01:54:56]  And I've done it multiple times.
[01:54:58]  Be like, that I could see him listening to.
[01:55:01]  The cleaning, the carpet cleaning.
[01:55:02]  No.
[01:55:03]  Right.
[01:55:04]  Nonsense.
[01:55:05]  That's ridiculous.
[01:55:05]  So we got one last clip here, and it's Barnes is still there, but Alex goes to calls, and he takes a call from a guy who has some updates about the coronavirus.
[01:55:14]  Sure.
[01:55:15]  The numbers of the coronavirus, they started reporting the cases that people have recovered.
[01:55:22]  And so 3,669 people have been reported to recover from it.
[01:55:27]  910 people have died.
[01:55:30]  That comes out to be a 20% mortality rate.
[01:55:34]  Even the official numbers now show it has a much higher death rate than they were saying.
[01:55:38]  Yeah, the Chinese government says 15%.
[01:55:41]  Barnes, you look at a lot of numbers.
[01:55:42]  You're a big numbers cruncher.
[01:55:43]  You're a famous gambler.
[01:55:44]  Very successful.
[01:55:46]  What do you think about the numbers?
[01:55:49]  I think the numbers are going to continue to rise.
[01:55:52]  So this caller is misusing statistics.
[01:55:54]  That 20% figure comes from a study that looked at patients who had to be hospitalized because their cases were really severe, which includes only people who had been, they'd had their condition progress to the point of having pneumonia.
[01:56:07]  Right.
[01:56:07]  The number of people who have recovered from the disease is not an accurate picture of people who got a mild case and then just had some flu symptoms and got better.
[01:56:14]  It's specifically the number of people who were hospitalized for pneumonia from the coronavirus who recovered and left the hospital.
[01:56:21]  And honestly, you know, even if you're talking about a 20% mortality rate for people in that subset of people who got the virus, that's not wildly out of sync with the general expectations you'd have for people who have cases of pneumonia generally.
[01:56:34]  Yeah.
[01:56:35]  According to Healthline, quote, the 30-day mortality rate for people with pneumonia is 5% to 10% of hospitalized patients.
[01:56:42]  It can be up to 30% in those admitted to intensive care.
[01:56:46]  Oftentimes, these numbers can sound really horrifying when they're presented out of context, like this caller is doing.
[01:56:52]  And it's really irresponsible of Alex and particularly Barnes to frame it like this.
[01:56:57]  Yeah, good work, Barnes.
[01:56:58]  They need to be able to understand the statistics that they're talking about and discuss them appropriately, or else what they're doing is just ridiculous.
[01:57:08]  And that's what you see consistently throughout all of this.
[01:57:10]  Like Alex is taking information from callers and validating it.
[01:57:14]  He has no idea what this caller is talking about and being like, ha ha, yes.
[01:57:17]  You got him.
[01:57:18]  He's taking a caller from a guy who's worried about bubble wrap and being like, that's a great point.
[01:57:21]  He's taking a call from a guy who's like, I think that they're trying to hide a land invasion of something.

=== Alex's Listener Base (02:27) ===

[01:57:28]  And he's like, hey, hey, we have the right to speculate about whatever we want.
[01:57:32]  Good on you.
[01:57:32]  I can't imagine why Trump keeps winning non-college educated whites.
[01:57:36]  That seems odd to me.
[01:57:37]  You don't know demographically what these callers are.
[01:57:41]  Although, if you look at podcast and places that break down Alex's listener base, it does seem like that is a heavy, heavy section of his target demo.
[01:57:54]  It might be.
[01:57:54]  So, anyway, we get to the end of this.
[01:57:56]  And, man, I was pretty glad that there was some non-coronavirus stuff to talk about.
[01:58:02]  Yeah, that was nice.
[01:58:03]  William Binney stuff, Seth Rich business.
[01:58:05]  Of course.
[01:58:06]  Alex lying about Wolf Blitzer and confessing to murder is certainly a high point.
[01:58:10]  Can't say no to a good gut stomping.
[01:58:13]  I think that that's pretty bad.
[01:58:16]  Oh, I've forgotten out of context dropped.
[01:58:17]  Oh, here you go.
[01:58:18]  Well, I piss all over your gut.
[01:58:22]  I piss all over the state.
[01:58:23]  Ooh.
[01:58:25]  So anyway, Alex isn't pissing.
[01:58:27]  Yeah, it's a family show, though.
[01:58:28]  Absolutely.
[01:58:29]  So, yeah, I don't know.
[01:58:30]  That's the show.
[01:58:33]  Close and strong, Dan.
[01:58:34]  I don't have any real summation.
[01:58:36]  I piss all over his show.
[01:58:38]  I have a summation.
[01:58:39]  It is that Alex is a psychopath and he is manipulating people's emotions.
[01:58:45]  Let's see what else is going on.
[01:58:46]  Counterpoint, he said he wasn't.
[01:58:48]  Even still, He said that cleaning carpets was disgusting, so I assume that he is against Trump cleaning house.
[01:58:55]  I imagine.
[01:58:56]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:58:56]  He has PTSD.
[01:58:58]  He respects paramedics who Trump in his budget is probably cutting.
[01:59:02]  All of this, everything in his ramble is the opposite of what is true, Dan.
[01:59:06]  That must mean he enjoyed cleaning carpets.
[01:59:09]  He might.
[01:59:10]  Whoa.
[01:59:10]  Oh, this could be crazy.
[01:59:11]  I don't know.
[01:59:12]  It does add one more to our long list of chemicals that Alex has had in his face when he was a child.
[01:59:18]  He might have hot boxed some cleaning chemicals.
[01:59:22]  Who knows?
[01:59:22]  Yeah.
[01:59:23]  Anyway, we'll be back.
[01:59:24]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:59:26]  We do.
[01:59:26]  It's KnowledgeFight.com.
[01:59:28]  Yep.
[01:59:28]  We're also on Twitter.
[01:59:29]  We are on Twitter.
[01:59:30]  It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at GoToBedJordan.
[01:59:32]  Yep.
[01:59:33]  We're also on Facebook.
[01:59:34]  Indeed, we are.
[01:59:35]  If you'd like to listen to the show, please go to iTunes, share it with your friends, download it on other podcast apps too.

=== Huge Fan On Air (00:19) ===

[01:59:40]  Why not?
[01:59:40]  I don't know.
[01:59:41]  Donate to the show.
[01:59:43]  Have fun.
[01:59:43]  Yeah.
[01:59:44]  We'll be back.
[01:59:45]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[01:59:46]  I'm Leo.
[01:59:46]  I'm DZX Clark.
[01:59:48]  I am the last living Vanderbilt.
[01:59:50]  Andy in Kansas.
[01:59:51]  You're on the air.
[01:59:51]  Thanks for holding.
[01:59:53]  Hello, Alex.
[01:59:54]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:59:55]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:59:56]  I love your work.