Knowledge Fight - #388: January 12-13, 2020
Aired: 2020-01-15
Duration: 03:10:51


=== Keep Working Eventually (02:39) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang me are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge and fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:38]  Reddit.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:42]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish pin caller over here saying I love your work.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:03]  Like, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Indeed, we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan?
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:10]  Let me ask you a quick question.
[00:01:11]  Sure.
[00:01:11]  How have you traditionally dealt with being in a creative rut?
[00:01:17]  Not well.
[00:01:18]  Do you have any coping mechanisms?
[00:01:20]  I mean, there were a number of years where it was booze.
[00:01:23]  Certainly that would be a go-to of like, I'm stuck.
[00:01:27]  I can't get anything done.
[00:01:29]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:29]  I'm not getting anything done.
[00:01:31]  Why am I not getting anything done?
[00:01:33]  Certainly, that didn't work.
[00:01:35]  No, I have no answer for you.
[00:01:37]  I guess actually I kind of do have an answer for you, but it's incredibly unsatisfying.
[00:01:41]  Okay.
[00:01:41]  And that is just keep working.
[00:01:43]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:01:44]  Legitimately, that's the only thing that I've ever found.
[00:01:46]  I mean, I guess like in past times, things like meditation and mindfulness have yielded some positive results, but I would be kind of putting on airs if I use that as like an actual actual piece of advice since it's not really a consistent part of my life.
[00:02:04]  But yeah, just keep making things, keep moving forward.
[00:02:08]  It was something impressed upon me in some, I believe it was some like creative writing class I took long ago.
[00:02:13]  It was like you can't control the quality of what you create.
[00:02:18]  Sometimes things will be good, sometimes things will be bad, but you can control the quantity.
[00:02:24]  And so if you create a hundred things and three are good, that's better than sitting around and trying desperately to create that one good thing and not allowing yourself to do anything, get anything done unless it's as good as you want it to be.
[00:02:39]  So I would say that's probably the best.
[00:02:41]  Just keep doing stuff, keep working, and eventually exercise some, you know, oversight of what you put out or what you release.

=== Thank You Notes (04:35) ===

[00:02:51]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:51]  Well, so everyone can't see those 97 pieces of shit.
[00:02:54]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:02:55]  And they think that, oh my God, he's quite three things and they're all amazing.
[00:02:59]  That's the key.
[00:03:00]  That's the trick.
[00:03:01]  So this has been my episode of Masterclass.
[00:03:06]  I think you did great.
[00:03:07]  Stay tuned for Gordon Ramsey.
[00:03:11]  Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about just keeping on doing things and a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:03:17]  And I know a little bit about both.
[00:03:19]  Right.
[00:03:19]  So, Jordan, today we're back in the present day.
[00:03:22]  I wanted to check in since we had a 2013 episode on Monday.
[00:03:26]  For sure.
[00:03:26]  And so I started listening to January 12th.
[00:03:30]  That was Sunday's episode.
[00:03:32]  And I got incredibly bored and stopped listening halfway through.
[00:03:35]  Good call.
[00:03:36]  Only to be hit right in the face with something terrifying on the January 13th Monday episode.
[00:03:42]  Sure.
[00:03:43]  And so that is what we'll be going over today.
[00:03:45]  But before we get to that, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:03:49]  Wonderful.
[00:03:50]  So first of all, John with no H, John D, last initial D, thank you so much.
[00:03:55]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:56]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:57]  Thank you very much, John.
[00:03:59]  Did you know that that's the name of the original wizard?
[00:04:02]  Of the Oz?
[00:04:03]  No, the beginning, the guy who first dressed like a wizard.
[00:04:06]  Merlin.
[00:04:07]  He's the basis for Merlin.
[00:04:09]  He was, I can't remember.
[00:04:10]  He was the court magician.
[00:04:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:14]  John Dee.
[00:04:14]  Yeah.
[00:04:15]  It's also the John D. Rockefeller Foundation.
[00:04:18]  That's fair.
[00:04:19]  That's Reading Rainbow possible.
[00:04:20]  So thank you.
[00:04:21]  I like the difference between us.
[00:04:23]  I go straight to Wizard.
[00:04:24]  And you're like, John D. Rockefeller.
[00:04:25]  Okay.
[00:04:26]  The Foundation.
[00:04:26]  Yeah.
[00:04:27]  Help me read.
[00:04:29]  So also, Jerry, J-A-R-R-Y, thank you so much.
[00:04:33]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:34]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:36]  Thank you very much, Jerry.
[00:04:37]  Next, Hannah.
[00:04:37]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:38]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:39]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:40]  Thank you, Hannah.
[00:04:41]  Thank you, Hannah.
[00:04:42]  John with no H. John with no H. Last initial M. Thank you so much.
[00:04:47]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:49]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:50]  Thank you, John M. John M. MacArthur Foundation.
[00:04:54]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:55]  Next, Sylvia.
[00:04:56]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:56]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:57]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:58]  Thank you, Sylvia.
[00:04:59]  Thank you.
[00:05:00]  Next, Hakon.
[00:05:02]  I'm almost certainly mispronouncing that.
[00:05:04]  H-A-K-O-N.
[00:05:05]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:06]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:08]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:09]  Yes, thank you very much.
[00:05:10]  Thank you so much, Hakon.
[00:05:11]  And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate it very much.
[00:05:16]  So, Larry, thank you so much.
[00:05:17]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:05:19]  Craig, thank you so much.
[00:05:20]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:05:22]  And Villa, thank you so much.
[00:05:24]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:05:25]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:26]  Crikey, Mike, that's fantastic.
[00:05:28]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:05:29]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:05:31]  We got to go full-tilt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
[00:05:34]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:05:35]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:05:37]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:05:39]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:05:41]  I declare info war on you.
[00:05:43]  Thank you so much, Larry.
[00:05:45]  Thank you so much, Craig.
[00:05:46]  And thank you so much, Villa.
[00:05:47]  Yes, thank you very much to all three of you.
[00:05:49]  If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show.
[00:05:50]  I'd like to support with these gents, too.
[00:05:52]  You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
[00:05:56]  We would appreciate it.
[00:05:56]  It'd be very helpful.
[00:05:57]  Now, Jordan, before we get down to today's episode, what I thought I would do is cause some dissension in the ranks between you and me?
[00:06:07]  No, I want to split the audience.
[00:06:09]  Okay, all right.
[00:06:10]  I have two out-of-context drops, and I would like the audience to sound off on which they think is a better out-of-context drop.
[00:06:17]  Sure, why not?
[00:06:18]  So here's the first one, which is a little bit heady.
[00:06:21]  You know what I really think about the world is what I say on air.
[00:06:26]  Like I say things on air, I never say in private.
[00:06:29]  This is like my secret place.
[00:06:31]  I'm an imprisoned.
[00:06:31]  Right in front of the whole world.
[00:06:33]  The secret place in front of the page.
[00:06:35]  Oh, man.
[00:06:36]  What is happening?
[00:06:36]  Alex's show is like what is happening?
[00:06:39]  Is this Buddhism?
[00:06:40]  What is happening right now?
[00:06:41]  The only place you really can be private is in public.
[00:06:43]  I'm not safe everybody.
[00:06:45]  So that's the first one.
[00:06:46]  Right.
[00:06:47]  Option one.
[00:06:47]  Okay.
[00:06:48]  Here's the second option.
[00:06:49]  You know, they say horses are psychic, and that's been proven.
[00:06:54]  Psychic horses.
[00:06:55]  I'm pretty sure I know which team I'm on.
[00:06:57]  Secret place in public.
[00:06:58]  You're right.
[00:06:59]  Secret horses.
[00:07:00]  Psychic horses.
[00:07:02]  Team psychic horse.
[00:07:03]  I'm all team psychic horses.
[00:07:04]  Team secret public place.

=== I Just Heard About Blood Play (15:37) ===

[00:07:07]  All right.
[00:07:08]  Enough fucking around.
[00:07:09]  Okay.
[00:07:09]  Let's get down to business.
[00:07:10]  So we're starting on the 12th because I was listening to the show, and it's interesting because this is a Sunday show that is absolutely in the mold of the we're going to soft launch some narratives.
[00:07:21]  Sure.
[00:07:22]  This is definitely that sort of Sunday show where he's doing a trial run.
[00:07:26]  You know, we're not on the main show.
[00:07:29]  We're only on the stations that carry the Sunday show.
[00:07:31]  Right, right, right.
[00:07:32]  Whatever.
[00:07:32]  Diminished viewership.
[00:07:34]  Psychic horses.
[00:07:35]  Let's get down to it and see how this feels coming out of my mouth.
[00:07:40]  So Alex starts a couple of narratives right at the top of the show, and they're absurd.
[00:07:46]  It is January 12th on the Sunday Broadcast 2020.
[00:07:53]  And we have definitely entered the quickening.
[00:07:56]  Everything hidden is now beginning to be revealed.
[00:07:59]  This is going to be a bumpy ride.
[00:08:05]  Californian textbooks for eighth graders officially have blood drinking and vampirism as part of sexual pleasure taught for multiple pages.
[00:08:16]  That's coming up.
[00:08:17]  That's coming up.
[00:08:18]  All right.
[00:08:19]  How many years have we been in the quickening now?
[00:08:21]  So many.
[00:08:22]  So many years.
[00:08:22]  The slowening.
[00:08:24]  So this was a difficult story to tell exactly what Alex was talking about because of the phrasing of it, it's you know, that's not super easily Google-able.
[00:08:34]  Okay.
[00:08:34]  So it turns out this is just an article that Alex's employee John Bown wrote for the InfoWars website.
[00:08:39]  That's all that's going on.
[00:08:40]  That's what we got.
[00:08:41]  Even if you believe everything that's in John Bown's article, which I do not, Alex is still wrong.
[00:08:46]  He's here on air saying that this stuff is being taught to eighth graders when the article specifically says that it's part of curriculum for ninth through 12th graders.
[00:08:54]  Alex Jones cannot help himself.
[00:08:56]  He just reflexively embellishes literally everything he talks about.
[00:09:00]  It's, you just gotta lie.
[00:09:02]  Adolf.
[00:09:03]  He just gotta lie.
[00:09:05]  Now, as to whether or not California students are being taught about blood drinking for sexual pleasure, I'm not sure that this article that John Bown wrote establishes that.
[00:09:13]  According to Bown's article, he saw a Facebook post on a page for a group.
[00:09:18]  Already out.
[00:09:19]  Yep.
[00:09:20]  Shut the fuck up, Bown.
[00:09:21]  Yep.
[00:09:22]  This is the primary source.
[00:09:23]  The fuck off.
[00:09:24]  A post on this Facebook page for a group called Informed Parents of Washington that claimed that there was a book called Sex that was on the suggested reading list for high school students.
[00:09:34]  12th grade.
[00:09:35]  No.
[00:09:35]  Okay.
[00:09:36]  First problem, this is just a Facebook page, which is not a sturdy foundation to use as the base for your reporting.
[00:09:42]  Second problem, this is the Informed Parents of Washington talking shit about education in California, which seems like them working across purposes.
[00:09:50]  Yeah.
[00:09:50]  Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense why this is in their purview.
[00:09:54]  Well, it doesn't say the informed about Washington group.
[00:09:58]  It's the informed parents group from Washington.
[00:10:01]  Oh, yeah, that's true.
[00:10:02]  They don't know anything about Washington.
[00:10:03]  That might be.
[00:10:05]  Yeah, that could be an example.
[00:10:06]  Yeah, that might work.
[00:10:07]  All right.
[00:10:07]  I'll accept your Bown writes, quote, the textbook allegedly contained a chapter on anal sex and vampiric sexual practices known as blood play.
[00:10:17]  First of all, this is not a textbook.
[00:10:19]  And even according to that article, it wasn't required reading.
[00:10:22]  It was just on a suggested list.
[00:10:24]  And if you know anything about high schoolers, most of them are not going to do much reading or homework that is not required.
[00:10:31]  Also, blood play is not inherently satanic or vampiric, though some participants may lick or even drink each other's blood.
[00:10:39]  But my position on this is sort of like, if they're doing this responsibly and both parties are into it, who cares?
[00:10:46]  Alex pretends to be a libertarian, so he should care even less than I do.
[00:10:50]  The issue here, and one of the reasons I could see this being very valuable as like some information, you know, being there in a sex ed program that's available to the students, is that kind of play can be pretty dangerous if you're not engaging in it responsibly.
[00:11:06]  Sure.
[00:11:07]  It's a pretty widespread kink, like not super universal, but it's one that a number of people have, which tends to imply that it's not just going to go away if the right wing pretends it doesn't exist.
[00:11:18]  So the best thing you can do to make sure people who are drawn to that kink, the best thing is to have them make sure they have all the information they need.
[00:11:26]  You do not understand the right-wing sex education, all right?
[00:11:30]  First and foremost, abstinence only.
[00:11:33]  Right.
[00:11:33]  Second, kink shame.
[00:11:34]  Yeah.
[00:11:35]  The end.
[00:11:36]  Yeah.
[00:11:37]  I could see why you definitely don't need to make blood play front and center in your sex ed curriculum, but it feels appropriate to have some resources available for people if they want.
[00:11:46]  That is fun.
[00:11:47]  The idea that everybody coming into the sex ed class is already so versed that it's like, well, we got to find something new to teach them.
[00:11:53]  I just heard about blood play on a Facebook post.
[00:11:55]  Let's get on this.
[00:11:57]  Yeah.
[00:11:57]  So I went and checked out the Facebook page for Informed Parents of Washington.
[00:12:00]  And let me begin my review of it by saying that I would probably be a bit embarrassed if I used this as a primary source.
[00:12:08]  As best as I can tell from scrolling all the way down their timeline, this page first posted on December 9th, 2019.
[00:12:14]  So it's been around about a year.
[00:12:16]  And it only has 220 followers.
[00:12:18]  It's completely anonymous and seems just to be obsessed with anti-sex education news.
[00:12:24]  There's very little emphasis even on Washington.
[00:12:26]  So your theory about it just being informed, but not about Washington might be accurate.
[00:12:31]  This is barely even a real group.
[00:12:32]  And Infowars has picked up this Facebook post from them and relied on it to source their reporting.
[00:12:37]  This is really embarrassing stuff.
[00:12:39]  And later, I even learned that I think the John Bown article is based on an article on National File, which again is run by Alex's employee Tom Pappard.
[00:12:48]  Man.
[00:12:48]  So they're even laundering it through a second thing.
[00:12:52]  But it all traces just back to this Facebook post.
[00:12:54]  Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we spout bullshit.
[00:13:00]  Also, even according to this Infowars story on this, quote, following a massive public outcry, it was removed.
[00:13:07]  That's right.
[00:13:08]  This book they're so offended by that it was on this suggested reading list.
[00:13:12]  He's not even on that list anymore because they complained really loudly.
[00:13:16]  That's classic Infowars shit.
[00:13:18]  Just complete bullshit spin on a poorly sourced story covering a non-problem that they've already got their way on.
[00:13:24]  The bunch of assholes.
[00:13:25]  I know.
[00:13:26]  Just a bunch of assholes.
[00:13:27]  It's just never going to end.
[00:13:29]  So anyway, vampires are in the schools.
[00:13:32]  I bet they're super pro-vaccine, I'm sure.
[00:13:34]  They sound like they're way into vaccine.
[00:13:36]  It's so interesting that you say that because that is the subject of the next headline Alex has.
[00:13:42]  The UN's head officials admit major vaccine deaths and injury cover-ups.
[00:13:48]  So that's the next.
[00:13:50]  We got the UN admitting a vaccine cover-up.
[00:13:53]  So this article or this story appears to be based on a national file article, which, again, like I said, run by Alex's employee, Tom Paper.
[00:14:00]  So this is a story about Dr. Sumya Swamanathan giving a speech.
[00:14:06]  She's a leading UN World Health Organization doctor and researcher scientist.
[00:14:12]  She's giving a speech which is basically about how there's a lack of thorough safety monitoring systems in many countries around the world.
[00:14:19]  And it creates optics where propagandists can latch onto some ambiguities and use it to attack vaccines.
[00:14:25]  There we go.
[00:14:25]  She's not saying there's a cover-up, just advocating that the international health organizations do a better and more comprehensive job so anti-vax people can't wiggle into the gray area.
[00:14:34]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:14:35]  She does say that there are deaths that can be traced to vaccines, but no one disputes that.
[00:14:40]  Alex is pretending that this is some kind of a giant admission when it's literally just how medicine works.
[00:14:46]  There isn't a medicine or treatment on this planet that I'm aware of that doesn't have some death toll.
[00:14:51]  So this is definitely not her slipping up and revealing there's some kind of a cover-up going on.
[00:14:56]  You know, it's funny to me that I think Alex prefers doctors from the 15th century who would be like, bloodletting is a great idea.
[00:15:04]  Leeches.
[00:15:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:06]  Yeah.
[00:15:06]  He would tell you there was a cover-up of how leeches are real medicine.
[00:15:10]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:15:11]  100%.
[00:15:12]  Yeah, I don't doubt that for a second.
[00:15:13]  But don't play with the blood, Dan.
[00:15:17]  So Alex is pretending that he and his crew have been pouring over hours and hours of footage from this World Health Organization summit where this woman gave this speech.
[00:15:26]  But in reality, the only thing he ever produces is a video that some anti-vax group that he doesn't name created, which includes a very short clip of Dr. Swamanathan out of context.
[00:15:37]  I find this narrative super uncompelling.
[00:15:39]  And if Alex really had some kind of a smoking gun like he's claiming he has, he would have released the entire raw footage of this meeting.
[00:15:46]  Like, because he's saying that they're not putting it out.
[00:15:49]  We have copies of it.
[00:15:50]  We've been going over it.
[00:15:51]  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the reason he's not doing that is because he knows that the context of the larger conversation would tend to contradict the narrative that he's building.
[00:16:00]  And it's not in his best interest to allow that.
[00:16:03]  Yeah, that's what happens whenever you start stealing Facebook posts from the informed parents of Oklahoma.
[00:16:08]  You got a lot worse anti-vex shit going on there.
[00:16:11]  Yeah, there's actually more to this that I looked into that we'll get into a little bit later, sort of trace down some of the roots of where this is all coming from.
[00:16:18]  But for now, I just found him bringing this up.
[00:16:21]  This is a very uncompelling narrative, just sloppy work in his anti-vex crusade.
[00:16:27]  But little did I know.
[00:16:30]  See, I work quite a bit on this show.
[00:16:33]  I do a lot of reading, a lot of preparation, editing.
[00:16:36]  I do a lot of just sort of, and I'm not complaining.
[00:16:39]  I'm not sitting here.
[00:16:40]  Of course you know.
[00:16:41]  But I didn't know how much more Alex works than me because I hadn't considered that all this time that I think he's sleeping.
[00:16:51]  Right.
[00:16:51]  He's actually working.
[00:16:52]  I don't know if you're doing that.
[00:16:53]  I don't believe that.
[00:16:54]  I'm not making stuff up here.
[00:16:56]  I don't believe that 98% of the time I'm dead on accurate.
[00:17:00]  But let's just move on from that.
[00:17:05]  I'm just explaining to people that I don't blow smoke.
[00:17:09]  I really lived this.
[00:17:11]  I had eight hours of dreams last night of work.
[00:17:14]  I mean, I work in my dreams, and they're very clarient and very central.
[00:17:18]  And I was working the whole time on what we're going to do.
[00:17:26]  I just want you to know I'm fully committed.
[00:17:28]  Look, I'm not one of these guys who's like real wet blankety about the potential of the subconscious.
[00:17:35]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:17:36]  I just don't believe Alex was working in his dreams.
[00:17:39]  I don't know.
[00:17:42]  Doc invented time travel in his dreams.
[00:17:45]  Does this imply that maybe he was going over some of the footage of the World Health Organization in his dreams?
[00:17:50]  I think that might be the case.
[00:17:51]  Either that or he was the original inventor of DreamWorks animation.
[00:17:55]  There's only one explanation that I can see.
[00:17:58]  I would say that there's some explanatory power in the fact that he works in his dreams with the fact that he's afraid of vampires.
[00:18:05]  I think that you might be able to draw a line between his obsession with vampires and nightmares that he might be having.
[00:18:13]  I'm furious that he gets a full eight hours of sleep.
[00:18:16]  That makes me angry.
[00:18:17]  I can't get eight hours of sleep.
[00:18:19]  Neither can I. Brutal.
[00:18:20]  Yeah.
[00:18:20]  I went to bed at midnight last night and got up at two because I hadn't fallen asleep.
[00:18:25]  Yeah.
[00:18:25]  Laying in bed for two hours straight.
[00:18:27]  Just oh, brutal.
[00:18:29]  So, like I said, Alex is afraid of vampires, and he talks about that a little more here.
[00:18:34]  Now, let me tell you the next thing why I'm so freaked out.
[00:18:38]  I've known that vampirism, the drinking of blood, is at the heart of Hollywood.
[00:18:45]  I didn't know that from movies or anything.
[00:18:47]  I was in some movies, got involved, went there, and had people tell me.
[00:18:51]  And then I saw it.
[00:18:54]  California textbooks are now teaching eight-year-olds.
[00:18:56]  It broke today.
[00:18:57]  It's on Infowars.com.
[00:18:58]  To drink blood as a sexual preference.
[00:19:03]  And they teach them about blood play.
[00:19:05]  And I went, wait a minute.
[00:19:08]  I was told that by a former high-level FBI years ago.
[00:19:12]  Bullshit.
[00:19:13]  And I looked it up, and there they're teaching children hardcore Satanism.
[00:19:17]  I'm going to show you that too, folks.
[00:19:19]  Believe me.
[00:19:20]  You don't want to look at it, but you got to look at it because that's who these people are.
[00:19:23]  These are actual devil worshipers.
[00:19:26]  Their bodies don't live forever, but the spirits that are in them transcend.
[00:19:32]  We're going to talk about it when we come back.
[00:19:34]  Immortal evil spirits are teaching your kids to be vampires in schools.
[00:19:38]  And oh boy.
[00:19:39]  You can put dramatic music all you want over that.
[00:19:42]  That's still lame bullshit.
[00:19:44]  Yeah.
[00:19:44]  Come on.
[00:19:45]  That is weak tea.
[00:19:46]  Yeah, it's pretty lame.
[00:19:48]  So Alex starts rambling about how, you know, this sounds crazy, but really, like, this has always been the case.
[00:19:57]  Sure.
[00:19:58]  Like, you remember how there was that whole satanic panic in the 80s?
[00:20:01]  Yeah, that turned out to be a bunch of, oh, no, you're shaking your head at me.
[00:20:05]  That was true?
[00:20:06]  All of that was real?
[00:20:07]  None of it was made up.
[00:20:09]  No, it turns out 100% real, and the FBI has admitted it.
[00:20:14]  Okay.
[00:20:14]  So I was growing up, and I would hear the leftist propaganda that, oh, there's all these squares that don't want you to have a girlfriend, don't want you to drink a beer, don't want you to have fun.
[00:20:28]  Weird music.
[00:20:30]  Who is doing this?
[00:20:31]  This is very strange.
[00:20:32]  Who is doing this?
[00:20:34]  I don't know.
[00:20:34]  Oh, man.
[00:20:34]  And they're all paranoid.
[00:20:35]  They claim there's the 1980s.
[00:20:40]  Satanism hysteria doesn't exist.
[00:20:45]  Even though law enforcement was reporting it, there were thousands of convictions of human sacrifice, murder, Satanism.
[00:20:53]  They would say, Geraldo Rivera, he's putting out hoaxes.
[00:20:55]  None of it exists.
[00:20:56]  The Satanism hysteria, the Satanism panic, those files get declassified 30 years later and it's everything that the police were warning us about was real.
[00:21:14]  So.
[00:21:15]  Who is classifying satanic panic documents?
[00:21:19]  Well, I mean, there is something.
[00:21:20]  This is shorthand for something.
[00:21:22]  You're just going to have to trust me on this because Alex isn't explicitly saying this in this clip, but I know from listening to his show that when he says that the FBI declassified stuff that proves this satanic panic was a real thing, what he's talking about is the recent release of the files on the Finders.
[00:21:37]  This is just shorthand that he brings up all the time.
[00:21:40]  And any consistent listener of his show would know that when he brings up the FBI releasing files that prove this stuff, it's generally accompanied by discussion of the group, The Finders.
[00:21:48]  Last October, the FBI released their file on this group.
[00:21:52]  They were a group that was one of the central focuses of the last big satanic panic.
[00:21:56]  I'm absolutely certain that Alex has not read these files since it's 324 pages long and there aren't any dank memes in it.
[00:22:04]  That's troublesome.
[00:22:05]  They should let Dankula take a pass at that.
[00:22:08]  Totally.
[00:22:08]  If he can't edit it down.
[00:22:10]  Yeah.
[00:22:10]  Punch this up, Yanks.
[00:22:12]  Do you know anything about this finders?
[00:22:14]  No, I do know about the Losers Weepers, but I don't know anything about the Finders.
[00:22:18]  They're not keepers.
[00:22:19]  Oh, okay.
[00:22:20]  So according to conspiracy lore, two men were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida back in 1987 on child abuse charges.
[00:22:27]  They were found with six children who weren't related to them, and they were uncooperative with the police when they were asked about who the kids were or to provide their identities or anything.

=== Fbi Files: A Dud (03:08) ===

[00:22:36]  These men were part of a cult called the Finders, who were based in Washington, D.C., and they were run by someone who was called the game caller.
[00:22:43]  Oh, boy.
[00:22:44]  The feds would go on to raid the Finders and find proof of how they operated as a child abuse ring with kidnapping and grooming and taking in children.
[00:22:52]  Somehow, U.S. intelligence is involved as like using them as cutouts or something.
[00:22:59]  Probably Congress is in on it too, since they're in D.C.
[00:23:02]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:23:03]  So the FBI files on the Finders, they're pretty much a dud.
[00:23:08]  And it actually reveals how much of this narrative is based on paranoid fantasies that were very common in the cultural psyche back in the 80s.
[00:23:15]  There was a full investigation of these two men who were arrested in Tallahassee.
[00:23:18]  The police were able to find the parents of the six children, and quote, the mothers were all aware that the children had been taken to Florida on a trip.
[00:23:26]  They were familiar with and thoroughly trusted the men in whose care the children had been placed.
[00:23:31]  The men would go on to spend about 10 days in a local jail and then were released.
[00:23:35]  The U.S. Attorney's Office declined to prosecute the case largely because there wasn't strong evidence of any specific crime.
[00:23:41]  A special agent whose name is redacted from the files, quote, advised that the media blew the case out of proportion.
[00:23:48]  And that's basically what you find happening throughout a lot of the issues in the Satanic Panic.
[00:23:53]  Yeah, it bums me out that while it's happening, people don't realize that they're redoing the witch hunt, the witch burnings.
[00:24:01]  Like, guys, we've done this before.
[00:24:04]  But I mean, you don't even have to go back that far.
[00:24:06]  I mean, if you just look at that, like, yeah, no, every 30 years.
[00:24:09]  It's more easy to relate to being in the 80s as opposed to the 1600s.
[00:24:16]  So I've read over most of the Finders files, and it seems like the conclusion one should come to is that this was a group of people who wanted to live an alternative lifestyle, sort of a commune kind of vibe under the leadership of a weirdo called the game caller.
[00:24:28]  Yeah, I mean, hey, if you could, it's good work if you can get it.
[00:24:31]  Running a cult is easy stuff.
[00:24:33]  Apparently, what he would do is he would tell people in the group things to do in order to gain experiences because he would learn through their experience.
[00:24:41]  Love it.
[00:24:42]  Love it.
[00:24:42]  He's gamifying knowledge.
[00:24:44]  That's perfect.
[00:24:44]  Somewhat.
[00:24:45]  I'm sure there was some nefarious angle to it, too.
[00:24:48]  Well, obviously.
[00:24:49]  I'm sure it was.
[00:24:50]  I'm sure there was not great things happening.
[00:24:52]  No, no, of course.
[00:24:53]  It was loot boxes all over again.
[00:24:55]  It's entirely possible that some abuse was taking place in that environment.
[00:24:58]  And I am not saying that there wasn't, but also FBI investigation failed to produce any proof of it.
[00:25:05]  The rest of the shit, the stuff that Alex believes, it's all just cultural exaggeration due to what was happening at the United States at that time with that book Michelle Remembers being released and the McMartin school trials creating a fever pitch of fear around satanic child abuse in particular circles in our country.

=== Vampirism In School (03:54) ===

[00:25:22]  Yeah, what happened to those two daycare people was a fucking travesty.
[00:25:27]  People don't remember how long that trial was too.
[00:25:30]  It went on for fucking ever.
[00:25:32]  Insane.
[00:25:33]  So that's all that's going on.
[00:25:35]  Like this is just a remnant of that.
[00:25:37]  And Alex is trying to re-bring it back up.
[00:25:40]  We've talked about it even like ways back.
[00:25:43]  This has been a pretty consistent thing that Alex is into in the present day of trying to whip one of these things up.
[00:25:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:50]  But I mean, he wouldn't have to whip it up into a frenzy if vampires weren't teaching kids vampirism in school.
[00:26:01]  I really don't like it when you say that sentence, and I'm supposed to take it like it's a thing that is okay to say.
[00:26:07]  Well, I mean, 2020.
[00:26:09]  It's just reality.
[00:26:10]  Next segment, I will come in like a news reporter and cover the next thing.
[00:26:15]  Just as a father and as a human, it's hard to do.
[00:26:19]  And then I'll tie it together with all the things that are happening.
[00:26:21]  But report.
[00:26:23]  California eighth graders taught anal bondage sex involving blood in sex ed classes.
[00:26:31]  Now, I saw that national file article that was posted up on newswars.com, and I thought, what the hell is blood play?
[00:26:44]  No, and I've read about that.
[00:26:46]  That's what vampires call it when they're killing somebody.
[00:26:51]  And sure as hell, I pulled it up, man.
[00:26:54]  And it is what you do when you're killing somebody and playing in their blood when they kill a baby or rolling around in the way.
[00:27:01]  And so, you know, I did a little bit of research on that.
[00:27:03]  That was something I wanted to forget.
[00:27:05]  And it was sure as hell going on.
[00:27:08]  They're going directly to the most sick stuff they can.
[00:27:14]  I would love to know what the research entailed there.
[00:27:16]  Yeah.
[00:27:16]  I looked it up, and sure enough, vampires do when they're killing you.
[00:27:21]  You know, I love hearing jargon from, you know, like insulated communities when you get a view inside.
[00:27:27]  I like to find out that that's what vampires call it whenever they're about to do it.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, that's it.
[00:27:31]  That's totally.
[00:27:31]  Alex has a lot of high-level vampire sources.
[00:27:34]  Yeah.
[00:27:34]  So that Van Helsing, of course, Blade.
[00:27:38]  Oh, naturally.
[00:27:39]  Now, he doesn't hang out with Blade, though.
[00:27:42]  Blade still has to drink a little blood from time to time.
[00:27:44]  Right, but he's a good resource for information.
[00:27:47]  That's true.
[00:27:47]  That's true.
[00:27:49]  Not a lot of daywalkers out there.
[00:27:50]  I'll tell you, I was getting pretty impatient with this episode.
[00:27:55]  It was probably.
[00:27:56]  Why, because you were forced to take vampires as real?
[00:27:59]  I was probably about half hour in, and I was really losing my will to live.
[00:28:03]  Like, I was just so I got to a commercial that Alex did.
[00:28:07]  This is what made me turn it off.
[00:28:09]  I was just like, I'm not listening to this episode anymore.
[00:28:12]  Knock on wood, I am not tempting fate.
[00:28:16]  But everybody around the office, especially folks that have worked there a long time, have noticed that I really don't ever get sick.
[00:28:24]  Now, again, I might get sick tomorrow because I just made that statement.
[00:28:27]  I'm not tempting fate.
[00:28:29]  I'll say that again because I am superstitious when it comes down to that.
[00:28:32]  Alex thinks that's an ad read.
[00:28:34]  Yes.
[00:28:36]  So sloppy and lazy.
[00:28:38]  He's rambling about how a saying that he never gets sick is going to make him get sick because he's superstitious about that.
[00:28:43]  You can hear from the background, he's recording this in his car.
[00:28:46]  Yeah, I know.
[00:28:47]  That's crazy.
[00:28:48]  That's crazy.
[00:28:50]  Look, I never get sick.
[00:28:51]  I'm going to make myself sick.
[00:28:53]  Talk about my pills.
[00:28:54]  All right.
[00:28:55]  Put it up.
[00:28:56]  I just can't imagine that.
[00:28:57]  Like, I imagine now McDonald's putting Ronald McDonald in a commercial, just him driving being like, I'm telling you, McDonald's food is the freshest.

=== Alex's Controversial Choices (07:58) ===

[00:29:05]  Now, I may be wrong tomorrow.
[00:29:07]  I may be wrong tomorrow because, you know, the everyday changes.
[00:29:10]  Everything is new.
[00:29:11]  Try some.
[00:29:12]  You know what?
[00:29:13]  I'm loving it, but maybe not tomorrow.
[00:29:15]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:29:16]  Anyways, bye, McDonald's.
[00:29:19]  I hit my breaking point, kind of.
[00:29:21]  I was like, there's nothing good that's going to come of this episode.
[00:29:23]  Like, obviously, he's teasing.
[00:29:25]  He's going to get into these vampire shit.
[00:29:27]  And it's like, okay, we've heard you do this rant before.
[00:29:30]  This isn't new.
[00:29:31]  You're just fabricating a new story to enable you to do this rant.
[00:29:35]  Right, right, right.
[00:29:36]  To go back and play the hits, so to speak.
[00:29:38]  Yeah, and so I was like, I'm not going to fucking listen to a tease for a product that's already on the market.
[00:29:45]  I have better things to do than wait around for that.
[00:29:48]  So I jumped to Monday's episode.
[00:29:50]  And holy shit.
[00:29:52]  The individual that I believe is controlled opposition, Richard Spencer, on the show.
[00:29:58]  Nope, nope.
[00:30:00]  Nope.
[00:30:00]  You know, the okay to punch a Nazi guy.
[00:30:02]  I don't think it's okay to punch anybody who doesn't punch you first.
[00:30:07]  Unless they're a Nazi.
[00:30:08]  The guy just reeks of being synthetic.
[00:30:10]  So when Alex first said that Richard Spencer was going to be on his show, I thought, yeah, it sounds about right.
[00:30:16]  Alex's show is in the middle of spiraling the drain of plausible deniability, so why not make some of this shit super overt?
[00:30:22]  Yeah.
[00:30:23]  Then Alex said that he's having him on because he believes that Spencer is controlled opposition, which could look like Alex having him on for a confrontational interview.
[00:30:31]  But I assure you that Alex is not equipped to have that kind of interview with a slick, media-polished bigot like Richard Spencer.
[00:30:38]  Do you not think that Spencer's been called controlled opposition like a thousand times by now?
[00:30:44]  Do you not think he has a million deflections and rebuttals to that criticism at this point?
[00:30:49]  I've seen Richard Spencer in a number of debates and conversations, both friendly and in hostile environments.
[00:30:55]  And when I heard Alex tease this interview, all I could think is that this is going to be a disaster.
[00:31:00]  Spencer is much better at rhetoric stuff than Alex, and Alex is very gullible.
[00:31:05]  I just imagine Richard Spencer becoming the new geopolitical expert in Alex's whackpack after that.
[00:31:11]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:31:11]  For sure.
[00:31:12]  Like, honestly, that's how badly I foresaw this going.
[00:31:15]  Like, he's going to give him a job.
[00:31:16]  I see this ending the way that Stefan Molyneux's special report in Poland ends where he's just like, Alex is just like, you know what?
[00:31:24]  You convinced me.
[00:31:24]  I'm a Nazi now.
[00:31:26]  In reality, let's just cut through the bullshit.
[00:31:28]  I think Alex is probably having Spencer on mostly because Spencer recently tweeted that he regrets ever supporting Trump.
[00:31:34]  They're now on opposite sides of the white identity scene, so there needs to be some kind of a smoothing that out.
[00:31:40]  A meeting of the minds, if you will.
[00:31:43]  That's the sense I get of what probably precipitated this.
[00:31:47]  And also, they're both pathetic enough at this point in their careers that they would appear on the show together.
[00:31:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:53]  They deserve that.
[00:31:54]  That would not have happened a couple of years back in other career circumstances.
[00:31:58]  Right, right.
[00:31:59]  Like back in 2017, 20, maybe even some 2018, 2016, Richard Spencer would have seen himself as being so far above going on Alex's show, he would not have done it.
[00:32:10]  He got profiles in major newspapers.
[00:32:13]  Yeah, the Times did a fawning Nazis dress well.
[00:32:17]  Yeah, and at the same time, at that point, Alex wouldn't have seen himself as being in a position where having Spencer on could be anything worth doing.
[00:32:26]  Can't go full Nazi yet.
[00:32:28]  Or even, like, it's not worth it to, even if I'm going to present him as false opposition or whatever, that's not even in my best interest.
[00:32:36]  Neither of them had a stake in that.
[00:32:38]  And now their lives have derailed to the point where it's like, fuck it, I'll go on Inforz.
[00:32:43]  Fuck it.
[00:32:44]  I'll talk to Richard Spencer.
[00:32:45]  I got nothing better to do.
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:47]  So we know that Alex has had David Duke on the show.
[00:32:52]  Yep.
[00:32:52]  And so this is sort of a second run of.
[00:32:58]  Interestingly, Alex talks about that, about how, like, Spencer, Richard Spencer is probably the most famous white supremacist in America outside of David Duke.
[00:33:07]  Right.
[00:33:08]  So Alex says some things about David Duke.
[00:33:10]  And keep in mind, he's not defending David Duke.
[00:33:12]  Sure.
[00:33:12]  Richard Spencer, other than David Duke, is one of the most famous white nationalists, white supremacists in the world.
[00:33:22]  And I do not believe David Duke is a fed.
[00:33:25]  I do not believe David Duke is an operative for the deep state.
[00:33:30]  I don't agree with David Duke on a lot of things.
[00:33:33]  But for the media to demonize David Duke and call him the worst person on earth because he is racially based when all the minority groups are being taught to be just as racist, but that's supposedly acceptable is a fraud.
[00:33:47]  And I'm not here defending David Duke.
[00:33:50]  David Duke's attacked me before.
[00:33:51]  Alex says he's not defending David Duke, but that's exactly what he is.
[00:33:55]  That is a defense of David Duke.
[00:33:56]  You might recall that in August 2015, Alex had David Duke on the show in an interview that I'm sure Alex thought would be his big chance to prove that he wasn't like Duke.
[00:34:06]  It was a miserable failure because David Duke is a guy who's been attacked for his horrible positions for decades.
[00:34:11]  And through that, he's gained a little bit of an ability to out-argue people who aren't prepared for debates.
[00:34:17]  What I find very interesting is that here in 2020, Alex is saying that he doesn't agree with Duke, but that Alex is against the media saying Duke is banned for being racially based when all the other races are racially based.
[00:34:30]  This is interesting because when David Duke was on Alex's show just four and a half years ago, Alex made the exact opposite argument to him.
[00:34:38]  Alex's big disagreement with Duke was the fact that Duke was racially based and that focusing on race was a globalist distraction.
[00:34:47]  That's all changed now.
[00:34:48]  And Alex is okay with racially based identification and grouping.
[00:34:52]  This is a fundamental important pivot that Alex has made, whether or not it reflects his true opinion or not.
[00:34:58]  In 2015, prior to joining up with Trump, Alex's show was explicit in its position that grouping based on race was a globalist trick.
[00:35:05]  Now, Alex thinks it's cool for David Duke to do what he does because he feels that other races are doing the same thing.
[00:35:11]  Alex's show has always been profoundly racist and white identity heavy.
[00:35:15]  But that change in presentation, I think, is important to note.
[00:35:18]  Yeah, the only things they disagree on now are like seafood choices.
[00:35:23]  Optics.
[00:35:24]  Like Alex doesn't like oysters, you know.
[00:35:26]  Optics of seafood choices.
[00:35:27]  Yeah, David Duke does love halal.
[00:35:29]  It's weird.
[00:35:30]  He's got a weird thing.
[00:35:31]  So David Duke is not a fed.
[00:35:34]  He's not fake, but Spencer is.
[00:35:37]  Sure.
[00:35:37]  With Richard Spencer.
[00:35:40]  The guy is as phony as a $3 bill.
[00:35:42]  And I'll just say that up front.
[00:35:44]  He wants to come on the show.
[00:35:48]  And I'll say it.
[00:35:49]  He acts and looks and behaves.
[00:35:51]  And his MO is just like somebody that's controlled opposition.
[00:35:59]  I don't have proof of that.
[00:36:00]  No shit, you don't.
[00:36:03]  That's great.
[00:36:05]  Yeah, I'm pretty sure that means that Alex is going to spend all of his time agreeing with Richard Spencer, but still being like, yeah, but you're here to make us look bad.
[00:36:16]  It doesn't go great.
[00:36:18]  We'll get to that when we get to it.
[00:36:19]  Oh, boy.
[00:36:20]  But yeah, I think the theme is pretty well spelled out in that clip, and that is that I have a vague accusation to make, but I have nothing to base it on, and that would be very easily dismissed.
[00:36:32]  That's kind of what's going to happen.
[00:36:33]  Yeah.
[00:36:34]  So Alex gets back to this UN vaccine story.
[00:36:37]  And the reason that I'm taking one from the 12th and here one in the 13th is that when he was talking about it on the 12th, I didn't really know how to get a handle on what he was talking about.

=== Alex's Misleading Regurgitation (05:42) ===

[00:36:48]  I don't really understand where this information was coming from necessarily.
[00:36:52]  But when he brings it back up on the 13th, he gives a little bit more detail and he gives me a way in.
[00:36:58]  We've now gone over the 20 hours of it.
[00:37:00]  It's linked on banned.video under our report to them to the full video on the UN site before they take it down.
[00:37:06]  So Alex here is saying that he's gone over this 20 hours of footage from the World Health Organization summit about vaccines and that he's going to link the videos on banned.video.
[00:37:16]  Great.
[00:37:16]  That's all I wanted.
[00:37:17]  I don't mind going over hours of footage to get a better understanding of what's going on here.
[00:37:21]  Like imagine my excitement when Alex made that announcement.
[00:37:24]  He's got the links up for the video.
[00:37:26]  Awesome.
[00:37:27]  So I run over to banned.video and the first video about the UN vaccine shit that I click on only has a link to the InfoWars store on it.
[00:37:34]  And that is not going to be helpful.
[00:37:36]  So I click on a second video that Alex put out about this story.
[00:37:40]  And that one does have links.
[00:37:42]  But they aren't links to 20 hours of footage.
[00:37:45]  There are two links.
[00:37:46]  One is to a two-minute 49-second clip of Dr. Swamanathan, which is devoid of context and meaningless.
[00:37:52]  The second link is much more relevant, since it's clearly the entire source that Alex is working off of.
[00:37:59]  This is a nine-minute video that highlights multiple short clips from the summit.
[00:38:03]  It was a video produced by a show called The High Wire with Del Bigtree, which appears to be largely a show that produces anti-vax content.
[00:38:10]  Sure.
[00:38:11]  For some insight, they had Andrew Wakefield as a guest four months ago, which is a bad thing.
[00:38:17]  That's good.
[00:38:17]  That's good.
[00:38:19]  Everybody agrees that he is still the foremost expert on why you shouldn't take vaccines.
[00:38:24]  Sure.
[00:38:24]  Del Bigtree is one of the producers of the pseudo-documentary Vaxed, which pushed the discredited Wakefield Vaccines Cause Autism narrative.
[00:38:33]  Big Tree has no medical education or training.
[00:38:35]  He is a TV producer who formerly worked on the Dr. Phil show, who eventually learned about Andrew Wakefield and was swayed by that bullshit and went fully down that road.
[00:38:45]  In March of last year, Big Tree caught some heat from Jewish organizations after he gave an anti-vax speech wearing a yellow star, meant to compare the plight of the anti-vax community to that of Jews during the Holocaust.
[00:38:58]  I would say it was right for him to catch some.
[00:39:00]  Gold star work.
[00:39:02]  Sure.
[00:39:02]  Buddy.
[00:39:04]  Big Tree is the founder and CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network, an anti-vaccination group, one of the most prominent in the country.
[00:39:11]  He started the group in 2016, receiving a $100,000 grant from the Sells Foundation, a charitable organization run by Bernard Sells and his wife Lisa, who coincidentally is the president of the Informed Consent Action Network.
[00:39:25]  In 2012, the Sells gave $200,000 to Andrew Wakefield's legal fund, which kicked off a rash of big dollar contributions to anti-vax efforts and went on to provide much of the funding for that pseudo-documentary of his, Vexed, which was produced by Del Bigtree.
[00:39:41]  It's important to remember that rich people are all fucking stupid.
[00:39:44]  It's also important to remember that 2012 is two years after Wakefield was convicted of professional misconduct and had his license revoked.
[00:39:52]  So it's not like he was a guy in good standing that these people just wanted to support.
[00:39:56]  According to Business Insider, $1 million or three-quarters of Del Bigtree's budget came from the Sells Foundation in 2017.
[00:40:04]  And that isn't even close to all the anti-vax stuff the Sells Foundation has supported.
[00:40:09]  They've given millions more to other outfits that spread misinformation about vaccines to the point where it would be pretty fair to say that without their money funding a lot of this stuff, anti-vax shit wouldn't be nearly as prevalent as it is.
[00:40:21]  It's unclear exactly what their motivation is in spending millions of dollars to push debunked and discredited science.
[00:40:27]  But what is very clear is that these are the people who are largely behind the popularity of anti-vax narratives.
[00:40:33]  People like Alex love to pretend that it's all just a grassroots thing where normal everyday people were given a voice through social media and that's why the conversation is happening.
[00:40:41]  But it's not.
[00:40:42]  It's well funded, backed by these multi-millionaires.
[00:40:45]  That's so frustrating that we always get, you know, like so many people like to mock that white lady who's like, oh, I don't want to, no, no, no, I don't believe in that and home birth and goop and all that shit.
[00:41:00]  Whenever it's fucking these people who are the issue, it's, it's.
[00:41:04]  It boils down to like, who is astroturfing what and why are we making fun of the people who got tricked by it instead of going after the people who are tricking people?
[00:41:13]  Right, you know?
[00:41:14]  Yeah, that why that's one of the reasons why I generally try to um approach some of this stuff with more empathy than some people think is appropriate.
[00:41:24]  And uh, you know, i'll take that, i'll take that criticism as uh being fine, but I disagree yeah that's, it's one of the things I mean.
[00:41:32]  Like obviously, that person that that's been tricked by this is still perpetuating and pushing, you know, narratives that could have the real world effect of people being heard, or absolutely, absolutely.
[00:41:41]  It's something to take seriously.
[00:41:43]  Yeah, they're not absolved of all right yeah, so Alex didn't watch 20 hours of footage from these hearings.
[00:41:49]  He watched that nine minute video released by Del Bigtree and pretended that he'd done the work.
[00:41:54]  He accepted the out-of-context snippets from Big Tree's video without question and presented this as a gigantic bombshell.
[00:42:01]  And on top of that, Alex is presenting this and like as investigative work that he's doing, when in reality, he's just regurgitating propaganda put out by a multi-millionaire funded anti-vax front group stud's the worst.

=== Measles Outbreaks and Lies (07:42) ===

[00:42:14]  I mean it's just it's, it's so apparent.
[00:42:17]  He watched all 20 hours in his dreams dan, he did in his dreams.
[00:42:21]  You can watch 20 hours of footage and only eight hours of dreams.
[00:42:24]  It's the dreamscape.
[00:42:25]  The Sales Foundation paid for those dreams.
[00:42:27]  Yes, so anyway he can go himself.
[00:42:31]  Yeah uh, and I mean it just leads to a breakdown, kind of of like just complete Vaccination lies and like science lies.
[00:42:41]  You know, back in the 50s, they gave millions of American women and French women and British women and German women a type of tranquilizer.
[00:42:53]  What type?
[00:42:54]  And it caused hundreds of thousands of children to be born with tiny little arms and legs.
[00:43:00]  Do you not remember the name of that?
[00:43:01]  You know, but they admitted it and pulled the drug off the market.
[00:43:04]  There have been thousands of drugs that they've pulled.
[00:43:07]  But see, not vaccines.
[00:43:08]  They don't ever pull any of them.
[00:43:11]  They just keep giving them to you and telling you nobody ever got hurt.
[00:43:15]  So Alex has no idea what he's talking about in terms of vaccine recall.
[00:43:18]  No, go ahead and confirm that Alex is 100% correct.
[00:43:21]  No vaccine has ever been pulled.
[00:43:24]  He's not happens all the time.
[00:43:26]  And it can come in a bunch of different forms.
[00:43:28]  Like in one instance, there might be a recall on a specific batch of a vaccine due to internal quality assurance testing indicating there might be a contamination or some other concern.
[00:43:38]  This happens not super regularly, but you can find plenty of examples of it.
[00:43:42]  In other cases, a vaccine might be discontinued because a better vaccine has been developed or it's just not effective anymore.
[00:43:48]  Other times, there are reactions that are not anticipated and oftentimes can't really be anticipated that are discovered after a vaccine begins being used.
[00:43:57]  For instance, in 1976, there was a fear of a potential epidemic strain outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix in New Jersey.
[00:44:06]  Scientists at the CDC went to work on creating a vaccine due to the severity of the possibility of what could come once flu season came.
[00:44:15]  After administering the vaccination program, it was found that a small number of people who got the vaccine had come down with Guillain-Beret syndrome.
[00:44:22]  And the timeline of the condition made it possible that there was a connection between the syndrome and the shot.
[00:44:28]  There was no causal link established, but the perception was made by the media that the shot had caused the Guillain-Beret.
[00:44:34]  By December, according to the CDC, quote, federal health officials decided that the possibility of an association with Guillaume-Beret syndrome and the vaccine, however small, necessitated stopping immunization.
[00:44:47]  There are other examples, but there's one of them.
[00:44:50]  So what Alex is saying is a lie.
[00:44:52]  Health officials are absolutely willing to pull or discontinue use of vaccines.
[00:44:56]  Nothing Alex is saying is based on anything.
[00:44:58]  He just feels like they never pull vaccines because that better conforms to his dumb worldview that everything is against him and everything's a plot.
[00:45:05]  Right.
[00:45:05]  It's bullshit.
[00:45:06]  Great.
[00:45:07]  Yeah, it's just like the best response to some kids remembering some fake bullshit is to create a satanic panic across the entire country.
[00:45:19]  It's also a good idea to confuse correlation and causation in any and all scientific possibilities.
[00:45:25]  Right.
[00:45:25]  And then you also want to take correlation, causation, and then also just lie on top of it.
[00:45:30]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:45:30]  That's it.
[00:45:31]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:45:32]  And the media should accept your claims and just spread it as far as and wide as possible.
[00:45:37]  And if there's a way to demonize a vulnerable population.
[00:45:39]  Ooh, that's the best way.
[00:45:40]  Right.
[00:45:41]  Oh, and it's the same left saying open the borders and bringing people from the third world absolutely infested with communicable diseases.
[00:45:48]  And then when there's outbreaks of those in vaccinated populations, they point their finger at us and say it's our fault.
[00:45:53]  Even though later you read the fine print, they go, well, the big outbreaks in New Jersey and New York were from illegal aliens brought in from Central and South America.
[00:46:05]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:46:06]  If you actually read the actual fine print, you'll know that Alex is just spaking up a part about undocumented immigrants causing outbreaks.
[00:46:12]  We've been over this a bunch, but what he's talking about is that measles outbreaks, those ones that happened last year.
[00:46:18]  Some of them were thought to be caused by people who had traveled overseas to areas where there were outbreaks.
[00:46:22]  For instance, the Orthodox Jewish community in New York's cases were, quote, brought on by travelers who'd been to Israel, according to the Pan-American Health Organization.
[00:46:31]  There's a big difference between people traveling and immigrating.
[00:46:34]  Alex doesn't care about this distinction.
[00:46:36]  He just sees what he decides to pretend is fine print, saying that there may be a foreign origin to some disease in the United States, and that's automatically understood to be undocumented immigrants being carriers of disease that the left is bringing into the United States to attack white people.
[00:46:49]  If Alex were really interested in these sorts of issues, I would expect that he should be covering how there's severe overcrowding in detention facilities near the border that's led to internal outbreaks of mumps and chickenpox.
[00:47:01]  But I never seem to hear him caring too much about that.
[00:47:03]  I don't know if I've ever even heard him bring it up.
[00:47:05]  I really feel like a simple rule for all media should be: did Goebbels say that?
[00:47:11]  And let's not say that.
[00:47:13]  Yeah, that gets to my larger point that I want to make, and that's that Alex is gearing up to interview Richard Spencer, a noted white nationalist.
[00:47:20]  And here he is yelling white nationalist shit about immigrants bringing in disease.
[00:47:25]  He can pretend all he wants that there's a relevant difference between him and Spencer, but there's not.
[00:47:29]  He literally said immigrants are infested with disease, communicable disease.
[00:47:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:47:34]  So now we're going to introduce Richard Spencer, who has controlled opposition, to make us look bad.
[00:47:40]  Right.
[00:47:41]  Good.
[00:47:41]  Yeah.
[00:47:42]  Good.
[00:47:43]  So Alex gets into some more dubious science stuff just about how China is making all our pills.
[00:47:52]  And that's bad.
[00:47:53]  Sure.
[00:47:54]  Really big report on that.
[00:47:55]  China makes the majority of our drugs.
[00:47:58]  And then they dump deadly fentanyl.
[00:48:00]  That's the number one killer in the U.S. right now.
[00:48:03]  Not true.
[00:48:03]  That's right.
[00:48:03]  Number one cause of unnatural death is just fentanyl alone.
[00:48:08]  It surpassed automobile accident deaths.
[00:48:11]  That's our ChiCom friends.
[00:48:13]  Alex has a really interesting angle here on pharmaceuticals and China.
[00:48:17]  I'm going to read to you here from an article on InfoWars.
[00:48:20]  Quote, if we are dependent on China for thousands of ingredients and raw materials to make our medicine, China could use this dependence as a weapon against us.
[00:48:28]  While the Department of Defense only purchases a small quantity of finished pharmaceuticals from China, about 80% of the active pharmaceutical ingredients, APIs, used to make drugs in the United States are said to come from China and other countries like India.
[00:48:42]  Oh, wait.
[00:48:42]  I'm sorry.
[00:48:43]  I mixed up my notes.
[00:48:44]  That was from an article on the Council on Foreign Relations website published on August 14th, 2019.
[00:48:51]  Whereas Alex just yells about these sorts of issues, his big villains, the CFR, explore them in far more meaningful ways.
[00:48:58]  For instance, this article points out, just in that quote that I read, that these raw materials are coming from, quote, China and other countries like India.
[00:49:06]  That 80% number is not all just from China.
[00:49:09]  It's the amount of APIs that are imported as opposed to being domestically sourced, which is totally different.
[00:49:15]  This article discusses how we're almost certainly also overestimating the number of these ingredients and the amount of it that's coming from China, saying, quote, as of 2018, China claimed 13.4% of all import lines defined as distinct regulated products within a shipment through customs among countries that export drugs and biologics to the United States.
[00:49:36]  So it's probably lower than you even assume.
[00:49:39]  Cool.
[00:49:39]  Alex's version of the story is certainly more exciting and it'll drive more clicks and pill sales, but it's dumb.

=== Cannot Find Proof (03:03) ===

[00:49:45]  It doesn't reflect reality or any careful analysis of the subjects he covers.
[00:49:49]  But the evil writers for the CFR do engage in a little bit of that.
[00:49:53]  Look at things from different angles and what have you.
[00:49:55]  Also, Alex is completely making up that fentanyl alone is the leading unnatural cause of death in the United States.
[00:50:01]  That's insane.
[00:50:01]  He has no data to back that up.
[00:50:03]  He's just a real piece of shit co-opting people's deaths to push his efforts to attack China.
[00:50:07]  Go fuck yourself.
[00:50:09]  I wouldn't be surprised if cops killed more people than fentanyl last year.
[00:50:13]  So in this next clip, I don't know, Alex jumps to cultural issues.
[00:50:19]  Trump tries to write ads that say we're looking for strong women, and Facebook banned that.
[00:50:23]  Saying people that weren't women saw the ad and it hurt them to hear about women.
[00:50:28]  Just like city buses in a major U.S. city last week.
[00:50:32]  And London's doing it.
[00:50:33]  Ban the word mother and ban the word female and ban the word girl.
[00:50:43]  These are all being banned because those are the new n-words, too.
[00:50:47]  And you're like, well, it sounds like a joke.
[00:50:49]  No, it's a scientific takeover.
[00:50:51]  I legitimately have no idea what Alex is talking about with his bus shit.
[00:50:54]  I can't find any proof of a major unnamed U.S. city or London banning feminine words from their buses.
[00:51:01]  I guess if he can prove it or give me a source, I'll look into it.
[00:51:03]  But for now, I just think he's talking shit.
[00:51:05]  Yeah, I couldn't even find an article about this on InfoWars.
[00:51:08]  But to be fair, his site is almost unnavigatable.
[00:51:11]  So I don't know if it's there and I just couldn't find it or what, but I can't find anything about this.
[00:51:16]  We have been hearing about people banning the word mother for seven years now.
[00:51:20]  At least.
[00:51:20]  Yeah.
[00:51:21]  You purple penguin.
[00:51:22]  No kidding.
[00:51:23]  So this is the same thing is true for the Trump ad.
[00:51:25]  At least it's not that I can't find any proof of it.
[00:51:29]  It's just that it's bullshit.
[00:51:30]  Yeah.
[00:51:30]  Alex knows damn well that ad got pulled because it said that Trump was quote looking for strong women like you.
[00:51:36]  It had nothing to do with the women part.
[00:51:37]  It had to do with the you part that was counter to Facebook's ad policy.
[00:51:41]  You can't target advertising at people like that.
[00:51:44]  And Trump's campaign had every reason to know that this was against the policy.
[00:51:47]  This is just intentional obtuseness because it plays better to argue that Facebook won't let Trump promote to women than it is to say Trump doesn't know Facebook's policies and he broke the rules.
[00:51:59]  Anyway, I don't know.
[00:52:01]  This cultural stuff is very soft.
[00:52:02]  Yeah.
[00:52:03]  It's very weak.
[00:52:03]  Yeah.
[00:52:05]  But it gets interesting.
[00:52:06]  Okay.
[00:52:07]  A little bit.
[00:52:08]  All right.
[00:52:08]  I don't know.
[00:52:09]  I think that what Alex is talking about here is like, you know, you can have, I don't know, your phone will make montages of photos that you've got.
[00:52:21]  Sure.
[00:52:22]  Right.
[00:52:22]  You know, like, I don't even know how to set this clip up because I have no idea what he's talking about.

=== Faraday Cage Protection (02:17) ===

[00:52:28]  Okay.
[00:52:28]  But I believe that there's probably a real thing here.
[00:52:32]  You know, because I've seen Facebook do this, you know, like your yearly review.
[00:52:35]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:52:36]  And it'll automatically generate like pictures from that you've posted over the last year.
[00:52:41]  You know, it'll do stuff like that.
[00:52:43]  Right, right.
[00:52:43]  So I'm assuming it's something like that that he's talking about.
[00:52:47]  But his angle on it is lunacy.
[00:52:50]  This is completely insane.
[00:52:51]  The fact is, I have one of these devices because of its uses, but I know what it does and I put it in a Faraday cage when I'm not using it.
[00:52:57]  What?
[00:52:58]  Those little blocket pockets we sell at InfoWarsWar.com.
[00:53:01]  Don't know if that's a Faraday cage.
[00:53:02]  You sell Faraday cages, quote unquote.
[00:53:07]  But have you noticed that if you have a droid or you have an Apple, particularly Apple, that for a couple years it's been doing this, but now it's getting really good at it.
[00:53:17]  It takes your photos of, say, your baby or your wife or your husband or a certain trip you went on and it puts together really good timelines that are as good as a human could do.
[00:53:30]  I mean, some of these look like Steven Spielberg directed them with the music and just how they do things right at the perfect time.
[00:53:37]  And then your baby daughter says one little thing right at the end.
[00:53:43]  And I went back and looked on my wife's phone at this at the thousands of photos and videos.
[00:53:49]  And it, I mean, it really picked the very best stuff.
[00:53:52]  Very, very frightening.
[00:53:55]  It's not being done locally on the phone.
[00:53:58]  This is just the interface to the big AI system.
[00:54:02]  It's being done in Beijing, where the main computers for Apple are Apple.
[00:54:11]  So just say, I'm old.
[00:54:16]  I'm old.
[00:54:17]  That's all I hear there.
[00:54:18]  I'm old and I don't understand.
[00:54:21]  I would assume the reason that they're the higher quality photos and it's like they chose the best stuff is because you've interacted with that stuff more than the photos that are like, ah, that was a mistake.

=== Carbon Conversations (15:15) ===

[00:54:32]  Yeah.
[00:54:33]  You sent it to more people or whatever.
[00:54:34]  There's some sort of a metric that is like, oh, there's more engagement on this.
[00:54:39]  Therefore, the phone or Facebook assumes this is something more important to the person.
[00:54:46]  That is a very easy explanation for this that doesn't involve overcomplicated AI in Beijing.
[00:54:54]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:54:54]  But is there something that it points to being disturbing perhaps later on?
[00:55:00]  Yeah, you could take a look at that.
[00:55:02]  Things are becoming far more complex, and AI is coming for our jobs, and yada, yada, yada.
[00:55:08]  You can go on that tip.
[00:55:09]  Not the Beijing is controlling your phone.
[00:55:12]  Right.
[00:55:12]  It's also because of Alex's misunderstanding of the, like, he thinks that all of our phone's information is in China as opposed to the reality of that story, which is still not good.
[00:55:23]  No, I mean, yeah, the future is more terrifying than the 1950s people could have imagined.
[00:55:28]  Right, but you don't need to escalate it.
[00:55:30]  Like, that doesn't get us anywhere.
[00:55:32]  No, no, no, no.
[00:55:32]  It's eighth graders.
[00:55:34]  It just has to lie.
[00:55:35]  Yeah, there is no way around it.
[00:55:37]  Like, every single story Alex tells, there is a necessity to amplify, sensationalize.
[00:55:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:55:46]  Even if, like, what the fuck?
[00:55:48]  Who cares?
[00:55:49]  Like, they're teaching ninth graders to be vampires.
[00:55:52]  Why can't you just go with that?
[00:55:53]  Yeah, that's that's what's the difference between 13 and I don't know.
[00:55:57]  That serves the same purposes.
[00:55:58]  Do you think that someone in your audience isn't going to be like oh, it's a freshman?
[00:56:01]  Okay, well, no, no, no, no big deal.
[00:56:03]  Alex, they're in high school.
[00:56:05]  Yeah, come on, man.
[00:56:07]  You were, you bragged of sleeping with like 100 women by the time you were 14 or whatever.
[00:56:13]  Two satanic rituals.
[00:56:14]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:56:15]  How dare you?
[00:56:16]  Kids grow up fast.
[00:56:17]  Yeah.
[00:56:18]  I don't know.
[00:56:19]  It's just completely unnecessary.
[00:56:21]  It reminds me of like pathological liars.
[00:56:23]  Yeah.
[00:56:23]  Just people who lie about things that have no consequence.
[00:56:26]  It reminds me of Mike Berbiglia's bit about the guy in his school who used to just lie about stuff that nobody even cared about.
[00:56:35]  Exactly.
[00:56:35]  Pathological liars.
[00:56:36]  Yeah, my cousin is Frank Baum's bookie, you know, and it's like, why are you lying about that to eighth grader or to however old we are?
[00:56:46]  You know, you just has to.
[00:56:47]  Got to.
[00:56:48]  So this is scattershot shit.
[00:56:50]  Like, it's all over the place.
[00:56:51]  Talking about like anti-vex stuff, Chinese pharmaceuticals, your phone creating photo montages.
[00:56:59]  Sure.
[00:57:00]  So Alex talks a little bit about climate change stuff.
[00:57:02]  Oh, no.
[00:57:04]  Is Beijing making collages of climate change?
[00:57:06]  They're probably involved.
[00:57:07]  I think so.
[00:57:08]  He has a big narrative about there was a Facebook glitch that revealed that Greta Thunberg's dad runs her Facebook page, and she addressed that by saying, Yeah, I use his account to use this Facebook page.
[00:57:25]  He's the administrator of the page.
[00:57:27]  What's the big deal?
[00:57:28]  Yeah.
[00:57:29]  So anyway, I don't care about that.
[00:57:30]  I don't engage at that at all.
[00:57:33]  This clip just involves Alex talking about how climate change exists in order to create a priest class that will eventually lead to us sacrificing babies.
[00:57:41]  Okay.
[00:57:42]  Now.
[00:57:42]  Does Steve Pachani become a duke in this scenario?
[00:57:45]  Yes.
[00:57:45]  Okay.
[00:57:46]  Only, I wouldn't even keep that in if this was, that was all.
[00:57:49]  Okay.
[00:57:50]  He weaves into a Bible story.
[00:57:52]  No.
[00:57:54]  And I think midway through talking about it, he realizes like it means the opposite of what he wants it to mean.
[00:58:00]  And he might not remember some of the details.
[00:58:02]  If you believe that carbon dioxide is so evil in trace gas, well, if China has unlimited release of it, nobody wants to cut theirs.
[00:58:08]  Why do we have to cut ours?
[00:58:09]  Because it's about economic warfare.
[00:58:13]  It's about control.
[00:58:15]  And it's about dumbing people down with the superstition like the ancient Aztecs and the ancient Druids and others did saying the sun didn't come back today because you've been evil.
[00:58:27]  So do what the priesthood says.
[00:58:28]  And people would believe that they were at fault and would do whatever the priest class said, even unto giving the priest class their children in every culture for human sacrifice.
[00:58:39]  In the Old Testament, Abraham.
[00:58:43]  Just a human sacrifice.
[00:58:44]  When God says, get your son up here and kill him, your firstborn, that son you wanted so bad.
[00:58:52]  Come on.
[00:58:54]  Oh, you're forgetting the.
[00:58:55]  And then God stays his hand and the angel stays his hand.
[00:58:57]  That's because in every other culture and society, that's what went on.
[00:59:01]  Wow.
[00:59:02]  That pause there is indicative of Alex being like, wait, Abraham was going to kill Isaac.
[00:59:07]  That was his plan the whole time.
[00:59:09]  Yeah.
[00:59:10]  Just because God told him to for no reason.
[00:59:13]  Yeah, he was going to do it.
[00:59:14]  Yeah, that was his plan.
[00:59:16]  Shit.
[00:59:18]  But the angels stopped him, so I guess that's fine.
[00:59:20]  Right.
[00:59:20]  That's almost throwaway there.
[00:59:22]  Yeah, that's it.
[00:59:25]  Also, he was the one who said he went ape shit at fucking Stonehenge.
[00:59:31]  Yes.
[00:59:31]  He loves the Druids.
[00:59:33]  Loves them.
[00:59:33]  He loves the Druids.
[00:59:34]  Can't get enough of it.
[00:59:35]  It's there.
[00:59:36]  You got violent because 30% of people experience psychotic breaks.
[00:59:41]  That's right.
[00:59:42]  That's right.
[00:59:42]  When they cross the body.
[00:59:43]  30% of people lie.
[00:59:44]  Yep.
[00:59:44]  Yep.
[00:59:45]  So it's interesting that Alex is saying that this priest class exists that tells you that things you can't observe are happening.
[00:59:53]  You know, like, you know, they know when an eclipse is going to happen and they say they're going to black out the sun if you don't do what they want.
[01:00:00]  Right.
[01:00:00]  But we do know what an eclipse is going to happen.
[01:00:02]  Well, but not back then.
[01:00:03]  No, they did.
[01:00:04]  No, no.
[01:00:05]  Not the pedestrian people who are foolable by the priest class.
[01:00:09]  I got it.
[01:00:09]  That's important.
[01:00:10]  Okay.
[01:00:10]  So that's the metaphor that he's making.
[01:00:12]  That like these authority figures will tell you things that you can't prove or disprove in order to manipulate you into doing things.
[01:00:22]  I find that very funny considering this next clip.
[01:00:25]  What are evil spirits?
[01:00:25]  Just things we can't see, but science now proves that there's something holding this dimension in that's many times stronger than the dimension that we're in.
[01:00:34]  The dark matter.
[01:00:36]  What?
[01:00:36]  What we can't see is what's 5, 10, 20 times stronger.
[01:00:40]  They can now read it with devices.
[01:00:44]  Read what?
[01:00:44]  They've now proven all these dimensions below and above and around.
[01:00:50]  Multiverse.
[01:00:51]  And there are entities.
[01:00:54]  So science is proven evil spirits.
[01:00:58]  Science has proven evil spirits.
[01:01:00]  So you've got to buy some kills.
[01:01:02]  That sounds right.
[01:01:03]  You know what?
[01:01:03]  Evil spirits, actually, science has proven this.
[01:01:05]  I don't know if you know this.
[01:01:06]  Iodine fends off evil spirits.
[01:01:08]  I did not know that.
[01:01:09]  I did not know that.
[01:01:09]  I know they proved that the soul weighs seven pounds or something like that.
[01:01:13]  Right, right.
[01:01:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:14]  Iodine makes it a little more.
[01:01:16]  Yeah, you only lose five pounds whenever you're.
[01:01:22]  Wow.
[01:01:22]  So that's fucking stupid.
[01:01:24]  Alex is obviously a really anti-climate change guy.
[01:01:28]  He's really in favor of coal and all that.
[01:01:33]  And we know that.
[01:01:34]  But this next clip, I thought, was a really extreme version of him expressing his feelings on the subject.
[01:01:41]  There aren't fossils of alligators and crocodiles and camels.
[01:01:45]  Yes, there are.
[01:01:46]  In the Sahara, crocodiles.
[01:01:48]  It's the bones of them.
[01:01:50]  Five, six, seven, eight, thousand years old.
[01:01:52]  In the middle of the Sahara Desert was a freaking jungle.
[01:01:55]  Because plants grow faster and are healthier and higher carbon dioxide.
[01:01:59]  The truth is the planet's dying.
[01:02:01]  And right at the time, we found the carbon and started putting it back up in the atmosphere.
[01:02:07]  Really?
[01:02:08]  God's plan for us to geoengineer and save the planet right at this time.
[01:02:13]  Wait, so we need to do it?
[01:02:13]  They're trying to shut down that process that God had waiting for us.
[01:02:17]  Now, whether you believe in God or not, do you understand me?
[01:02:20]  I think I do.
[01:02:21]  A little.
[01:02:22]  But also, no.
[01:02:23]  If I understand correctly, not only is he denying climate change, but insisting that we need to pour more carbon into the atmosphere in order to fulfill God's plan of geoengineering to make sure that camels can be in the Sahara.
[01:02:40]  I got to say, I've generally been on board with you and your climate change stuff, but what Alex is saying here just makes sense.
[01:02:46]  That makes too much sense.
[01:02:46]  It makes too much sense.
[01:02:47]  It makes too much sense.
[01:02:48]  You're right.
[01:02:48]  God left that coal down there for us to burn in order to save the planet.
[01:02:51]  It just makes sense.
[01:02:54]  It's a grand plan.
[01:02:55]  And you and Greta are out there trying to stop us from doing God's thing to geoengineer and save the earth.
[01:03:03]  You know what?
[01:03:03]  I was, what's the earth dying from, though?
[01:03:07]  What do we need to save the earth from?
[01:03:10]  From not having enough carbon?
[01:03:12]  Let me tell you about Abraham.
[01:03:18]  I don't know.
[01:03:20]  Oh, boy.
[01:03:20]  That is a good question.
[01:03:21]  I don't think he explains that.
[01:03:23]  I don't think that.
[01:03:25]  Yeah, I mean, the Sahara is a pretty interesting thing, inasmuch as, like, from some of the articles I was reading, they were saying it goes through like 20,000-year cycles.
[01:03:32]  It's a savanna and then a desert.
[01:03:34]  Right.
[01:03:34]  And, you know, there's some parts of that that's natural.
[01:03:38]  I do think that isn't relevant to the larger conversation.
[01:03:41]  I do think he's revealed that he's a young earther, right?
[01:03:45]  Because he's saying six, seven, eight, thousand years ago.
[01:03:48]  So I think.
[01:03:48]  And that's about when the last time it flipped.
[01:03:51]  Sure, sure.
[01:03:51]  But I think what he's describing, based on what I'm hearing, is the massive carbon dioxide in the air during what was it, the Cretaceous or whatever.
[01:04:03]  All the plants grew so big.
[01:04:04]  That's why the dinosaurs could grow so big.
[01:04:07]  So he's like, see, more carbon in the atmosphere is good for you.
[01:04:11]  Maybe.
[01:04:11]  I'll admit that I'm not really well read on that subject.
[01:04:17]  And so I wouldn't really be able to assess whether Alex is in line with that.
[01:04:21]  I'm not positive from what he's saying.
[01:04:23]  And because the last time the Sahara wasn't a desert, like when it desertified or whatever, is around that time frame.
[01:04:32]  That's kind of how I read it.
[01:04:33]  But your interpretation is entirely possible.
[01:04:35]  I just, I can't say either way.
[01:04:37]  I just see him thinking that the dinosaurs are only seven or eight thousand years old.
[01:04:41]  Yeah, it is possible.
[01:04:42]  Yeah.
[01:04:42]  So in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Australian fires.
[01:04:46]  And we know he has a bad perspective on this.
[01:04:49]  And it turns out his perspective.
[01:04:51]  Gets worse.
[01:04:51]  Oh, has it?
[01:04:52]  And so Paul Watson links directly to the police department press releases and a newscast about Muslims being arrested and indicted for setting fires, they believe.
[01:05:02]  And they're laughing outside the courts.
[01:05:04]  And Muslims are posing in front of Notre Dame laughing.
[01:05:07]  And the Guardian says that's a fake photo.
[01:05:09]  Snoop says that that's a fake photo.
[01:05:12]  InfoWars puts on a fake photo that they got from Sputnik, the Russians.
[01:05:18]  Turns out Sputnik got it from a major photo public library, paid for it, and we carried it too.
[01:05:27]  I got to say, I definitely saw this development coming.
[01:05:31]  Yep.
[01:05:31]  When I first covered this narrative on Alex's show, I read Paul's article about the Australian fires, and he didn't link to any police reporting.
[01:05:40]  It was just one tweet from Seven News that he was using as a source.
[01:05:44]  Now, however, the narrative is pivoted, and he's blaming Muslims.
[01:05:48]  So I thought, why not see if Paul's written a new article and see if there's any updated information?
[01:05:53]  I went to Summit.news and the only thing I could find is a new video that Paul shot with the title, Who Started the Australian Bushfires? with the subtitle, quote, the question the media won't ask.
[01:06:05]  This is some edgy stuff.
[01:06:07]  Is it God?
[01:06:08]  It's edgy.
[01:06:09]  Are we sure it's not a laser?
[01:06:11]  It could be a laser.
[01:06:12]  It could be a laser.
[01:06:12]  It's a freaking laser.
[01:06:13]  It could be a freaking laser.
[01:06:15]  Yeah.
[01:06:15]  It's just, you know, Paul's standard mopey-ass stuff.
[01:06:19]  The first five minutes of the video is Paul getting really defensive about how people criticized him for writing that Muslims celebrated the Notre Dame fire when he had strong evidence, like Facebook comments.
[01:06:30]  He then weaves in a Breitbart article that involves some official from Israel saying that arson can be considered terrorism, and a Daily Mail article about ISIS using fire as a weapon in Syria.
[01:06:41]  All of this is to imply that the fires in Australia are Muslim terrorism.
[01:06:46]  Right.
[01:06:46]  It's not even close to subtle.
[01:06:49]  This insinuation that he's engaging in.
[01:06:51]  That's brutal.
[01:06:52]  That's just brutal.
[01:06:53]  Oh, it gets worse.
[01:06:54]  Hold on.
[01:06:55]  After rambling about ISIS using fires as a weapon, Paul, as if he's a man working for a dude who's getting sued by literally everyone, says, and I quote, it's not to say there's any evidence that this is taking place in Australia.
[01:07:09]  But a zebra can't change its stripes.
[01:07:11]  Here's the full quote.
[01:07:12]  I just...
[01:07:13]  Here's the full quote.
[01:07:14]  Quote, that's not to say there's any evidence that that's taking place in Australia, but we have to ask the question.
[01:07:20]  Oh my God.
[01:07:21]  To translate, that means I have no reason or proof that Muslims have anything to do with these bushfires, but the only reason I have a career is to satisfy bigots.
[01:07:31]  So I need to try and make some kind of insinuation here to keep them happy.
[01:07:35]  This is legitimately sick shit.
[01:07:36]  And you can see how this pipeline works.
[01:07:39]  Paul does this mealy-mouthed, we got to ask the question shit.
[01:07:42]  And then that's taken by Alex, who pretends that it's reporting and that it was Muslims.
[01:07:47]  The only thing Paul has to go on here is a gateway pundit article about a couple of Muslim teenagers who were arrested for starting a fire.
[01:07:55]  Paul is walking that suggestiveness line, as always, trying to play with the edge of, are these kids or secret terrorists?
[01:08:03]  Unfortunately, he's super sloppy, and he accidentally flashes the article up on screen, including the portion of the article that says, quote, the brothers set off fireworks that started a park on fire.
[01:08:13]  Probably sounds like it's kid shit.
[01:08:17]  His big angle is that this picture of one of them, they're apparently laughing after they get out of court.
[01:08:23]  And to that I say, who cares?
[01:08:25]  Yeah.
[01:08:25]  Would Paul cover it if it was a white kid who was arrested for starting a fire, laughing after he got out of court?
[01:08:30]  Would he do a fucking 10-minute video about how this kid might actually secretly be a member of some white extremist group?
[01:08:36]  It's like, have doubts that he would.
[01:08:38]  I don't think he would.
[01:08:39]  I just don't think he would, Dan.
[01:08:41]  Yeah.
[01:08:41]  Also, I think Alex just admitted in that clip that he didn't pay to use that photo that he stole from Spudnet.
[01:08:45]  I'm pretty sure that's true.
[01:08:47]  And also, I read the Snopes article about the Notre Dame misinformation, and they don't even mention InfoWars.
[01:08:52]  They don't even mention whatever picture Alex is talking about.
[01:08:55]  They're more concerned with an obviously doctored video that was making the rounds where someone put audio of people yelling a la hakbar over video of the cathedral.
[01:09:03]  I have no idea what Alex is projecting about here, but if I had to guess, it's the stress that's brought on by two decades of being full of shit.
[01:09:10]  Yeah.
[01:09:11]  Man, that reminds, because that's such the like they just put out the results of a poll where a massive amount of people think that Iran already has a nuclear weapon.
[01:09:22]  Right.
[01:09:23]  So does Alex, by the way.
[01:09:24]  Yeah, well, of course he does.
[01:09:25]  Because of that disinformation and just the mashing together.
[01:09:30]  It doesn't matter if you're saying that they do or not.

=== Lincoln's Strategy Revealed (15:35) ===

[01:09:32]  Just put them right next to each other often enough.
[01:09:35]  Just like with this, did Muslims start the fires in Australia?
[01:09:40]  That's the question.
[01:09:41]  Just repeat that question and people won't even bother answering it.
[01:09:44]  They'll just assume that it's already been answered.
[01:09:47]  Inquiring minds want to know.
[01:09:48]  Exactly.
[01:09:49]  Hey.
[01:09:49]  Exactly.
[01:09:51]  The word on the street is people are talking about it.
[01:09:53]  Yeah.
[01:09:54]  Yeah.
[01:09:54]  And three years from now, you're like, hey, do you remember when the Muslims started those fires in Australia?
[01:09:59]  And you're like, no, no, no, you just, you didn't even bother answering the question.
[01:10:02]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:10:02]  Bastards.
[01:10:03]  Right.
[01:10:03]  So Alex teases this interview with Richard Spencer some more.
[01:10:06]  And I think it's really important to understand how he thinks this is going to go before it actually starts.
[01:10:13]  And there's some interesting wrinkles here.
[01:10:17]  I should be less surprised how much racism we've already got in for Richard Spencer.
[01:10:22]  I think that's also really important to point out.
[01:10:24]  Wow.
[01:10:25]  Richard Spencer, one of the most famous white nationalists in the country is going to be joining us.
[01:10:33]  Oh, the most famous.
[01:10:34]  And I thought guy's as funny as a $3 bill.
[01:10:38]  But that's kind of like, you know, being in somebody's house and that fruit looks like it's plastic.
[01:10:43]  And of course, you walk over, it's plastic.
[01:10:46]  Maybe my eyes aren't so good.
[01:10:48]  Maybe he's for real.
[01:10:50]  But can we get queued up?
[01:10:53]  Richard Spencer getting slugged, which I don't agree with.
[01:10:56]  So I get this sense that Alex is like, he thinks that he's going to have like this gotcha moment where he's like, you work for the globalists, and then Richard Spencer is going to be like, I think he thinks that that's maybe a possibility.
[01:11:11]  You really think he believes that he's going to.
[01:11:14]  No, but I think he thinks that he's going to be in charge of this conversation.
[01:11:17]  Right, right.
[01:11:17]  Alex thinks that he has the upper hand somehow.
[01:11:19]  Oh, that's a terrible idea.
[01:11:21]  And that's foolish.
[01:11:22]  But secondly, I get a sense listening to the way he's framing this that there's almost a disappointment in the idea that he's fake.
[01:11:30]  Yeah.
[01:11:30]  We'll see if he's real.
[01:11:31]  Yeah.
[01:11:32]  We'll see if he's for real.
[01:11:33]  Almost like it would be good if he's real.
[01:11:37]  Yeah.
[01:11:37]  Well, you want that apple looks fake, but you want it to be real, Dan.
[01:11:41]  Right.
[01:11:41]  You want that apple to be real.
[01:11:43]  Uh-huh.
[01:11:44]  Because you're friends with that apple and you're also a Nazi.
[01:11:48]  We'll see if he's real.
[01:11:50]  So Alex goes to calls a little bit before talking to Spencer.
[01:11:55]  And this caller is talking about how, you know, like immigrants that come into the country, they just vote however they're told.
[01:12:06]  This is a weird thing because this caller has a perspective that Alex should disagree with.
[01:12:11]  Right.
[01:12:11]  Not that part, but something.
[01:12:12]  No, no, no.
[01:12:13]  That part he's right on both.
[01:12:14]  Yeah.
[01:12:15]  This is weird.
[01:12:16]  Those people don't have safety hats.
[01:12:17]  They're working in the field and they're slaves.
[01:12:20]  They're slaves for the Hillary Clintons and the film.
[01:12:22]  And they vote how they're told, and they're brainwashed to be racist and hate white people.
[01:12:26]  And so that's why until that brainwashing stops, we have to get control of that.
[01:12:29]  And then Trump has to bring those folks out of the shadows.
[01:12:31]  And that's what he said he wants to do.
[01:12:33]  And just like Abraham Lincoln was attacked.
[01:12:35]  I mean, if you go back and history, see what they called Abraham Lincoln and made front of him.
[01:12:40]  You know, you know, I think that if this guy paid attention to Alex's show, he would hear what Alex calls Abraham Lincoln.
[01:12:47]  What?
[01:12:47]  Alex is not in favor of Abraham Lincoln.
[01:12:49]  No, Alex thinks he's a hero who just suddenly, for no reason, decided to fight his ancestors, who Alex also is.
[01:12:57]  Alex and guests like Steve Pieczenik, I mean, just like within the last week, Steve was talking about how bad Abraham Lincoln is.
[01:13:03]  The Infowars line is fucking Confederate.
[01:13:07]  This guy should understand, like, be like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're saying bad things about Trump, but you should see what they said about Lincoln back in the day, as if to imply what Lincoln did was good and misunderstood at the time.
[01:13:19]  Right, right.
[01:13:20]  No, no, you're calling into a show that would say all of those things about Lincoln.
[01:13:25]  And if you were, and if you were listening to that show back then, you would call in and talk about how much you hate Lincoln.
[01:13:30]  Totally.
[01:13:31]  That's what you would.
[01:13:32]  Lincoln would be their Obama.
[01:13:34]  Right.
[01:13:35]  So we get now to sort of the intro, the preamble to talking to Richard Spencer.
[01:13:40]  And Alex seems to think that he's on this whole thing where it's like Richard Spencer is a liberal.
[01:13:48]  Really?
[01:13:48]  Right.
[01:13:49]  Oh, boy.
[01:13:50]  He's bought into that framing a little bit.
[01:13:52]  Richard Spencer, when we come back after this one-minute break, is here to come on the show.
[01:13:57]  You know, most liberals and socialists will not come on the show.
[01:14:01]  But, I mean, I would call him a national socialist myself.
[01:14:04]  And he's really been angry at Trump.
[01:14:08]  And so we're going to be talking to Richard Spencer.
[01:14:11]  So I think that's ludicrous for a number of reasons.
[01:14:15]  But leaving those aside, I want to give a real important caveat here in that some of the things that I'm going to end up saying sound positive about Richard Spencer.
[01:14:27]  Oh, boy.
[01:14:28]  And they are not.
[01:14:29]  I think this guy's a pile of shit.
[01:14:31]  I think he sucks.
[01:14:32]  He's a liar.
[01:14:33]  I think he's a dangerous person.
[01:14:35]  Very much so.
[01:14:36]  Categorically, across the board.
[01:14:38]  I might end up saying some complimentary things about him in the sense that he's better at this than Alex.
[01:14:45]  That is the only context in which I am going to say positive things, and I do not want that to be misconstrued by anybody.
[01:14:55]  Also, before we get into this interview, I would like to play a clip of Spencer that Milo recently leaked.
[01:15:04]  Have you heard this?
[01:15:05]  Uh-uh.
[01:15:06]  Okay.
[01:15:07]  So after.
[01:15:07]  If Milo is involved in anything, I just skip over it.
[01:15:10]  After the Charlottesville rally, the Unite the Right rally.
[01:15:14]  Yeah.
[01:15:15]  Milo apparently recorded Richard Spencer having a little bit of a breakdown about what had happened.
[01:15:21]  He is ranting a little bit.
[01:15:24]  And I guess for whatever reason, Milo wanted to distance himself from some of these communities and worlds.
[01:15:31]  And so at the end of last year, he posted this audio on YouTube.
[01:15:36]  And just a little bit of a content warning.
[01:15:38]  There's some language in here that's pretty bad.
[01:15:40]  We are coming back here like a fucking hundred times.
[01:15:43]  I am so mad.
[01:15:45]  I am so fucking mad at these people.
[01:15:48]  They don't do this to fucking me.
[01:15:50]  We're going to fucking missilistically humiliate them.
[01:15:54]  I am coming back here every fucking weekend if I have to.
[01:15:57]  Like this is never over.
[01:15:59]  I win.
[01:16:00]  They fucking lose.
[01:16:02]  That's how the world fucking works.
[01:16:04]  Little fucking kites.
[01:16:05]  They get ruled by people like me.
[01:16:07]  Little fucking rocksaroons.
[01:16:09]  I fucking, my ancestors fucking enslaved those pieces of fucking shit.
[01:16:14]  We're going to win.
[01:16:15]  I rule the fucking world.
[01:16:17]  Those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me.
[01:16:21]  They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them.
[01:16:27]  That's how the fucking world works.
[01:16:29]  We are going to destroy this fucking town.
[01:16:32]  So obviously this is coming from Milo, who is a source of information you never like to take information from.
[01:16:42]  But he would be someone who is situated in such a way as to be able to record something like that.
[01:16:47]  So it lends some credibility to it.
[01:16:49]  Yeah, that's only going to come from inside.
[01:16:51]  It's not like we're...
[01:16:52]  Right.
[01:16:52]  Yeah.
[01:16:53]  I'm not going to walk up and record Richard Spencer saying that shit.
[01:16:56]  It sounds exactly like Richard Spencer's voice.
[01:16:59]  So it's either him or the great impressionists.
[01:17:02]  Rich Little Randy Credico.
[01:17:05]  Exactly.
[01:17:06]  The great impressionist of our time.
[01:17:07]  The man of a thousand voices, they call him.
[01:17:09]  And further, it sounds exactly like the messaging.
[01:17:13]  It sounds in line with what someone like Richard Spencer does believe.
[01:17:16]  Yeah.
[01:17:17]  So I, of course, reached for comment by tons of publications.
[01:17:24]  Richard Spencer has not commented on this.
[01:17:26]  Oh, he hasn't?
[01:17:27]  Why is that?
[01:17:27]  No.
[01:17:28]  He doesn't want to dignify the story.
[01:17:30]  Obviously, it's a deep fake.
[01:17:32]  Right.
[01:17:32]  So I play that because I think it's important to recognize, as slickly as he's going to try and come off in this interview, and as he does all the time, beneath that.
[01:17:43]  He's a fucking insane person.
[01:17:45]  Right.
[01:17:46]  So Alex starts off this interview, and I think that he thinks that this is going to go very differently than it does.
[01:17:55]  Give me your current view of President Trump from a white nationalist perspective and why you're angry with Trump.
[01:18:01]  And is he not your fur anymore?
[01:18:05]  Well, he was never a leader.
[01:18:08]  But I don't think I need to talk about Trump from a white nationalist perspective.
[01:18:12]  Think I could talk about Trump from a basic American nationalist, even conservative perspective.
[01:18:19]  He has failed to deliver on the keystone promises of his 2016 campaign.
[01:18:26]  There is no wall.
[01:18:28]  Immigration restriction is not going to be in the cards.
[01:18:33]  His policies on health care and many other things are absolutely incoherent.
[01:18:38]  What we have been getting has been the, and domestically, the Paul Ryan agenda of tax cuts for billionaires and so on.
[01:18:48]  And we've been getting the George W. Bush agenda in the Middle East.
[01:18:52]  It's not quite as bad.
[01:18:53]  I'll give Trump that.
[01:18:56]  But it is very bad.
[01:18:57]  He is making war in the Middle East more likely.
[01:19:01]  And that is the exact opposite of what not just me, but what his base of supporters voted for.
[01:19:12]  It is true that he said he was going to cut back the types of visas for skilled workers, and then he hasn't done that.
[01:19:19]  That was Alex's first question.
[01:19:21]  And if you listen to him, you can tell that he might be realizing that he is in no way prepared to have this conversation.
[01:19:28]  Alex legitimately thinks he can just say, what's wrong with Trump from a white nationalist perspective and think that's going to in any way get Richard fucking Spencer on his heels.
[01:19:36]  For one, labeling this guy a white nationalist is not going to tarnish him in any way from the perspective of Alex's audience.
[01:19:43]  Many of them probably think that white nationalist just means being a white person who's also a nationalist.
[01:19:48]  And the rest of them don't think that white nationalism is a bad thing.
[01:19:52]  I hear smugness in the way Alex delivers his question.
[01:19:55]  100%.
[01:19:56]  Asking if Trump isn't Spencer's fuhorr anymore.
[01:19:59]  But that smugness can only really be the result of not realizing that Richard Spencer is a pro.
[01:20:05]  He's been doing this for years now, and every single interview he's had in that time has been at least on some level confrontational.
[01:20:12]  It's the easiest thing in the world for him to deflect that weak shit and push forward with his own talking points.
[01:20:17]  Is Trump your Fuhrer?
[01:20:18]  Trump's never been a leader.
[01:20:20]  What do you think of Trump from a white nationalist perspective?
[01:20:22]  I don't need to speak from a white nationalist perspective.
[01:20:24]  I could talk from the perspective of nationalism and Trump's base.
[01:20:27]  Right.
[01:20:28]  With just those two simple deflections, Spencer has completely neutralized these two accusations that Alex started the interview with, and he's given himself the high ground in the conversation, which that's going to allow him to deliver these talking points, which Alex can't really disagree with.
[01:20:44]  You can almost hear an uh-oh in Alex when Spencer stops talking and there's a long pause.
[01:20:49]  And all Alex can come up with is a comment about how Trump hasn't cut down visas for skilled workers like he promised.
[01:20:56]  Whatever Alex hoped to get out of this conversation is already gone.
[01:20:59]  He's failed right out of the gate because he had no idea who he was about to talk to and he underestimated his guest.
[01:21:05]  And again, to be clear, that's not to say that Richard Spencer is some kind of superhuman thinker or debater.
[01:21:10]  He's just someone with skill levels high, high above Alex.
[01:21:14]  That reminds me of when I was first starting out in comedy, I went to a show featuring a friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, incredibly talented.
[01:21:25]  Sure.
[01:21:25]  And it was put on at a theater, and it was a regular comedy show put on in a 500-seat theater, and maybe 50 people showed up.
[01:21:36]  And it was a disaster.
[01:21:39]  The stage was too high, and so on and so forth.
[01:21:41]  So Marty, in his featuring set, just jumps off the stage and starts wandering through the crowd and blew the place up.
[01:21:48]  50 people made the theater huge.
[01:21:51]  But then the headliner to follow him, he tried to stand on the stage, and you can't go back.
[01:21:56]  Marty had changed the battleground entirely.
[01:22:01]  And the headliner wasn't equipped for it.
[01:22:03]  That is what Richard Spencer just did.
[01:22:06]  Alex thought he was going to be a lot of people.
[01:22:07]  He's going to have a space.
[01:22:08]  Yeah, he thought he was going to have a white nationalist conversation.
[01:22:11]  And all of a sudden, the criticism comes from a completely different battleground, and Alex is not able to fight there.
[01:22:18]  No, and if you can't sort of predict that that is what's going to happen, that means that you're either terrible at the job you signed up for, or maybe you're not super terrible, but you just weren't prepared for the circumstances that you have allowed yourself to get in.
[01:22:34]  This is why you don't do conversations like this unless you are fully prepared, unless you take it very seriously.
[01:22:42]  Because like, I keep stressing, someone like Richard Spencer knows these things.
[01:22:48]  Like, he's thought through these question trees.
[01:22:52]  Like, the, like, okay, if someone asks this question, what's the best way to proceed?
[01:22:56]  Whether or not he sat down and actually diagrammed these things, I have no fucking idea.
[01:23:01]  But intuitively, through experience and repetition, he understands, okay, here's where an attack is going to come from.
[01:23:07]  Here's what I do with that.
[01:23:09]  Yeah.
[01:23:09]  Yeah.
[01:23:09]  It's very simple.
[01:23:10]  He learned judo.
[01:23:11]  To link it back to crowd work or to comedy, crowd work kind of works the same way a lot of the time.
[01:23:16]  Yeah.
[01:23:16]  Like, you know that there's only a certain number of types of things an audience member can yell at you.
[01:23:22]  Yeah.
[01:23:23]  So if you come up with like a standard kind of strategy to respond to mean thing that's said, unintelligible thing that's said, you'll be able to roll with it much better.
[01:23:36]  The same way Richard Spencer is able to roll with the way that Alex is trying to frame the conversation.
[01:23:43]  The framing failed.
[01:23:44]  It completely failed.
[01:23:45]  And now it is up to Spencer to just dictate the terms of what they're going to do.
[01:23:50]  Absolutely.
[01:23:50]  And now he does that immediately after that.
[01:23:54]  He takes the high position.
[01:23:56]  I overheard the tail end of your last conversation, and you were both saying, well, we don't fear H1B visas, smart Indians or so on.
[01:24:08]  Well, the fact is we actually should care about issues like that.
[01:24:14]  Immigration is not simply about illegals or very poor, unskilled people coming across the border.
[01:24:20]  There are billions of people who are highly skilled, have high IQs, who can come into the United States and displace the middle class.
[01:24:29]  It's in a way worse than low-skilled, illegal immigrants doing construction or busboy jobs.
[01:24:36]  It's a very serious issue.
[01:24:39]  The Democrats, they want a big, unskilled, underclass they can control.
[01:24:45]  And I think more smart people will build the country up, not displace the middle class.
[01:24:49]  It's having more dumb people that'll destroy us.

=== Race-Based Debates: Spencer's Advantage (15:40) ===

[01:24:54]  I would prefer dumb immigrants to smart immigrants, to be frank.
[01:24:58]  It is smart immigrants who are not middle-class jobs, who are the ones that make universities of North America go up once Europeans came here.
[01:25:07]  So now that Spencer has realized he can take the upper hand in the conversation, he begins immediately with bringing up things Alex said earlier and that he disagrees with.
[01:25:15]  In this case, Alex's desire for more high-skilled and intelligent immigrants.
[01:25:19]  Alex is going to have a really hard time defending his position against someone who's willing to take the other side, which Spencer is.
[01:25:26]  So this is rocky territory.
[01:25:28]  And you can see how not great Alex's standing is when all he can come up with is smart immigrants made this country when Europeans came over.
[01:25:35]  Without any effort, without any force, Spencer has elicited a white nationalist idea from Alex.
[01:25:43]  Yeah.
[01:25:44]  By not even cleverly hiding his own white nationalism.
[01:25:48]  No.
[01:25:49]  That was brutally obvious.
[01:25:50]  And he has no real reason to hide it.
[01:25:52]  And he's not.
[01:25:53]  He's not.
[01:25:53]  I mean, even immediately after this, it's pretty clear.
[01:25:59]  And in the context of that clip of just, of course he doesn't mind a massive unskilled immigrant population.
[01:26:07]  He wants to enslave them.
[01:26:09]  Right.
[01:26:09]  You know, that's what he would like to do.
[01:26:11]  He doesn't want intelligent people.
[01:26:13]  Right.
[01:26:13]  Yeah.
[01:26:14]  And to that, Alex is going to have a tough time.
[01:26:17]  Which is not to say that unskilled people are not intelligent.
[01:26:19]  That's bullshit.
[01:26:20]  That's a dumb argument.
[01:26:21]  Totally.
[01:26:21]  Yeah.
[01:26:21]  But Alex is going to have a very tough time combining his talking points and worldview with arguing against what Spencer is bringing.
[01:26:32]  He's in a kind of an unwinnable situation for himself.
[01:26:35]  And that sucks.
[01:26:37]  So as I was saying, Spencer kind of reveals a little bit of this whiteness being at the core of all of it in this next clip.
[01:26:47]  I agree to a very large extent, but the fact is, the United States was since 1790 ultimately a white country.
[01:26:56]  It was a white European country with an Anglo-Protestant core to it.
[01:27:00]  And we brought in lots of other Europeans, but that was our identity.
[01:27:05]  So Alex has said that smart immigrants made America, and Spencer completely dismisses that comment by claiming to partially agree with it, then moving on to his talking point.
[01:27:14]  And he knows that Alex can't really disagree with it without contradicting his own positions.
[01:27:19]  America was not a white country at its founding.
[01:27:21]  Good God.
[01:27:22]  That's kind of a silly thing to say for a lot of reasons, but the most important is because what we perceive as white today is not the same as the 1700s definition of white.
[01:27:31]  In the late 1800s, Italian immigrants were absolutely not considered white, whereas now you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who excludes Italians from the category.
[01:27:40]  Same goes for Irish, Polish, and Greeks throughout the country's history.
[01:27:43]  I mean, shit, Benjamin Franklin called the German people living in Pennsylvania palatine boars.
[01:27:49]  You could make the argument that the country was Anglo-Saxon in nature at the beginning, maybe.
[01:27:54]  But if you did that, you're kind of implying that the goal should be for us to make it an Anglo-Saxon country now, which is not a white one, because those aren't the same thing.
[01:28:03]  Current day white nationalists try and wave this idea away because their definition of white is not one that would be productive if you try and consult history.
[01:28:13]  Their definition includes people they feel they would want to be in a group with, which conforms to their underlying prejudices and hate.
[01:28:21]  The sleight of hand trick that they're doing is the part where they try to pretend that the definition of white has always been the same, and they're actually, they're just in line with the founders of the country.
[01:28:32]  They don't say that this country should be Anglo-Saxon as a country because that sounds fucking stupid.
[01:28:37]  And almost all of them would be considered undesirables, undermining the purity of the country, as they would have been in the 1700s.
[01:28:45]  Spencer says 1790 in that clip because that was the year that the United States passed the Naturalization Act, which made all male white inhabitants of the country citizens.
[01:28:55]  But again, what did white mean?
[01:28:56]  I guess that's an open question, considering decades later they still definitely didn't think Italians were.
[01:29:02]  My point here is this is a stupid conversation, and it doesn't really prove anything.
[01:29:06]  Even if somehow the founders of the country magically had the same arbitrary definition of white that Spencer does and they wanted this to be a white country, so what?
[01:29:13]  They had slaves and women couldn't vote.
[01:29:15]  I'm going to say that whatever their understanding of the world was, it had room for improvement.
[01:29:20]  But here's the thing.
[01:29:21]  Spencer's talking point that this is a white country is bullshit.
[01:29:24]  But Alex can't refute that without supporting some kind of multiculturalism.
[01:29:29]  Spencer kind of has Alex over a barrel where he has to choose between supporting minorities or going along with explicit white nationalism.
[01:29:36]  He's really having a tough time with this interview, and we're only like two minutes into it.
[01:29:40]  Yeah, I think what's interesting is they are arguing flavors of white nationalism.
[01:29:46]  Yes.
[01:29:46]  But Alex can't say that his flavor is different because then he'd have to admit he has a flavor of white nationalism.
[01:29:53]  It's similar to the David Duke interview, but I think worse for Alex.
[01:29:59]  Because I don't know exactly how to describe this.
[01:30:03]  Alex, I think he might have prepared a little better for the David Duke one, or at least he's known of David Duke for a really long time.
[01:30:11]  Or he was just more capable mentally back then.
[01:30:13]  Sure.
[01:30:13]  And it would be irresponsible of me to guess exactly what the reason is, but he was more prepared for this.
[01:30:20]  He's completely off his game here.
[01:30:22]  No, this is bad.
[01:30:23]  And I think in this next clip, you even see what could be considered the two of them kind of making friends a little bit.
[01:30:30]  Sure.
[01:30:31]  Well, I mean, the media says it's okay to hit you and attack you, and I don't agree with that.
[01:30:35]  And the stuff we hear coming out of the Democrats is way more racially based and aggressive, saying white people are inherently bad.
[01:30:41]  I mean, that's Michael Moore says whites are bad people.
[01:30:44]  Don't trust them.
[01:30:44]  They're inherently evil because of the color they are.
[01:30:47]  I'm going to see that turning white people into aggressive, race-based individuals because they're not going to have any other choice if the establishment organizes things into a race-based system than just like being in a prison.
[01:30:59]  I wouldn't want to have to go get in the Aryan wing of the prison, but if I didn't, I'd be killed because it's been made a race-based system.
[01:31:06]  I agree that there's a lot of toxic, nasty, anti-white rhetoric and even anti-white discrimination policies that are emerging from the Democratic Party.
[01:31:18]  I would also say that the GOP does next to nothing to actually fight these.
[01:31:22]  They'll talk about.
[01:31:23]  Let me ask you this affirmative action.
[01:31:25]  Undoubtedly, you're a moderate compared to the Democrat leadership saying whites are inherently evil.
[01:31:30]  I mean, you're not saying black people are inherently evil or Asians are inherently evil.
[01:31:34]  So here's the deal.
[01:31:35]  I disagree with a lot of stuff, but I just want to say, if you're a villain for being race-based, then you're like a little demon compared to CNN that's Satan himself.
[01:31:44]  If we judge things as being race-based as evil, then you are a very small evil.
[01:31:49]  Thank you, Alex.
[01:31:52]  I'll take that.
[01:31:53]  There's almost a dismissive humoring that's going on.
[01:31:57]  Spencer has so much more power in this conversation.
[01:32:00]  And I think that that's what Alex is doing.
[01:32:03]  I think he recognizes that Spencer has authority here.
[01:32:09]  And I need to bring us together a little bit.
[01:32:12]  But also, Alex realizes that the whole premise of this interview, he's said it multiple times already on the show, is that he thinks that he's false opposition.
[01:32:21]  So that is what needs to be dealt with.
[01:32:24]  You're false opposition, but you're not that bad.
[01:32:26]  Well, here's the thing.
[01:32:29]  If you're going to make that kind of an accusation or bring up that subject, I think you'd probably want to do it in a careful way as opposed to just blurting it out, which is what Alex does.
[01:32:38]  But my big beef with you, but I want to hear what you think first, is that you're synthetic and you're working for the globalists.
[01:32:44]  But please continue.
[01:32:46]  I'm not a synthetic or working for the globalist, but what I was saying before was that.
[01:32:51]  So for this whole episode, Alex has been saying he's going to confront Richard Spencer about how he thinks he's synthetic and working for the globalist.
[01:32:57]  He did it.
[01:32:57]  Alex is so on his heels in this conversation, and Spencer is maneuvering him so well that the only thing he can do is blurt out, I think you work for the globalists comment.
[01:33:06]  That's a joke, man.
[01:33:08]  Have you ever seen First 48 Hours?
[01:33:09]  Have you ever seen those?
[01:33:11]  You know, when they do those like those tense interview scenes where the guy's like, they're interrogating him and they're trying to figure out, those always start with, did you do it?
[01:33:21]  And then accepting whatever answer they write.
[01:33:24]  Did you do it?
[01:33:24]  No?
[01:33:25]  Okay, cool.
[01:33:25]  Get out of here, you scamp.
[01:33:27]  You can see how easily Spencer was able to take that as a sincere question and say no, then move on.
[01:33:32]  Spencer's in complete control of this conversation, and Alex has completely wasted the only arrow he thought he had in his quiver.
[01:33:38]  He thought he was going to ask about the white nationalist perspective on Trump was, and Spencer would say that Trump wasn't mean enough to the brown people, and Alex could work with that or something.
[01:33:47]  That didn't work out.
[01:33:48]  Now he's forced to throw his supposed knockout punch, the globalist accusation, and Spencer doesn't even flinch.
[01:33:55]  This is just sad.
[01:33:56]  This is like, it's ridiculously bad.
[01:33:59]  Man, the only reason people even entertain that, like, all white people are bad bullshit is because of guys like Alex and Richard Spencer.
[01:34:08]  If I didn't know there were so many of these white nationalists out there, it would never occur to me to think that all white people are bad.
[01:34:14]  Right.
[01:34:15]  Other than our history.
[01:34:16]  Well, so Richard Spencer starts talking about, like, there's an interesting thing with the globalist accusation, and that is that Richard Spencer does recognize that globalization is a necessary part of the modern world.
[01:34:32]  Right.
[01:34:32]  And so he talks about that a little bit.
[01:34:34]  And Alex just can't handle this shit.
[01:34:38]  There is a basis for identity politics that isn't just a globalist plot or isn't just some bad policy from the Democratic Party.
[01:34:49]  The fact is, we live in a globalized world.
[01:34:53]  We don't live in a world where your consciousness is formed by your neighborhood or maybe your small nation state at most.
[01:35:02]  We actually live in a world where we have a global consciousness.
[01:35:06]  And the major fissures of this upcoming war are going to be racial and cultural.
[01:35:14]  So you are a white man, whether you like it or not.
[01:35:18]  You're perceived as a white person by, say, the globalists or the establishment, but also by immigrants, by refugees and migrants and et cetera.
[01:35:29]  Our identity is forced upon us in this time, and we need to, wow.
[01:35:34]  Well, it certainly is true that the globalists want to make everything, not identify with the ideology of freedom and Americana that can unify us.
[01:35:40]  They want to make it racially based, force whites into a race-based system, and then have that war in that fissure.
[01:35:46]  And that's how I see you playing in as the other side of the left trying to make it race-based.
[01:35:51]  And now you're saying, okay, it is race-based, which things have always been tribal and race-based.
[01:35:55]  And so under Christianity, we would transcend that model.
[01:35:58]  So I'm in a debate about those two models.
[01:36:01]  I think it's okay to have that discussion.
[01:36:03]  And it's not good to say that whites are inherently bad while the left pushes a race-based system.
[01:36:08]  You are correct about that.
[01:36:09]  I'm saying you, how did you come upon your ideas, your system, who you are, and what you're pushing for?
[01:36:16]  That's so bad.
[01:36:18]  That's some good work right there.
[01:36:20]  Yeah.
[01:36:21]  I don't even know exactly what Alex is saying, quite frankly.
[01:36:25]  No clue.
[01:36:25]  No idea what he just said.
[01:36:27]  I don't know what he was trying to say.
[01:36:28]  Richard Spencer is being a mess, but he's also giving concise points that are tough for Alex to argue against.
[01:36:38]  So he just throws words around.
[01:36:42]  Yeah, well, you know, there's a race-based system, and then Christianity transcends.
[01:36:48]  I'm having a debate between these.
[01:36:50]  Wow.
[01:36:51]  I'm having a debate between these two systems or whatever.
[01:36:55]  That translates to, what do I do?
[01:36:58]  I'm fucking confused here.
[01:36:59]  No clue what's going on.
[01:37:00]  I'm getting my ass beat.
[01:37:01]  Yes.
[01:37:02]  I do wish they would just play like civilization instead of war gaming, the race war that's coming.
[01:37:08]  Just play civilization.
[01:37:09]  It's fun.
[01:37:10]  It's fun.
[01:37:11]  And the other problem, too, that I think is really intrinsic is that I don't think that Alex can really argue with a lot of the things that Spencer is saying because some of the conclusions about like, they just got to have all us whites together.
[01:37:26]  Whether you like it or not, you're white, which means you got to fight with the whites in the upcoming war.
[01:37:31]  Well, Alex might agree with that, but wouldn't want to say it.
[01:37:35]  But a lot of the other stuff that he's talking about is right in line with Alex's rhetoric.
[01:37:40]  The concept that the coming war is going to be racial and cultural.
[01:37:46]  Like that is InfoWars 101 stuff.
[01:37:50]  Absolutely.
[01:37:51]  So, the fact that so much overlap exists here, it becomes very difficult for Alex to have any kind of a conversation that involves counterpoints, pushback, follow-up questions.
[01:38:03]  And that's why you see like Alex just rambles his nonsense about God transcending this stuff and then goes to, where'd you get your ideas?
[01:38:11]  Yeah.
[01:38:11]  Well, because he thinks that the global, he thinks that the race war is coming, but it's because the globalists are drumming up people from the other races to hate on us.
[01:38:20]  Obviously, the race war is coming.
[01:38:22]  And we all should fight together because white people are going to be able to get to the point.
[01:38:24]  Also, pushing Richard Spencer into making whites identify as because Spencer is working for the globalists.
[01:38:31]  Of course.
[01:38:33]  So in order to make this even worse, I was hoping you would say that.
[01:38:41]  Spencer, man, he is knows what he's doing.
[01:38:45]  We need to be proud of ourselves.
[01:38:47]  We need to fight back.
[01:38:49]  We need to be tough guys.
[01:38:50]  And this is something that you should get because one thing that I really like about you, despite my criticisms, is that you are a bold, tough man's man.
[01:38:58]  And that's a good thing.
[01:38:59]  The white race needs to be like this.
[01:39:01]  We need to stop apologizing for ourselves.
[01:39:03]  We need to stop just beating around the bush on issues.
[01:39:07]  And we need to be proud of who we are and fight for who we are.
[01:39:10]  But in terms of how I came to these ideas, look, I come from a great background.
[01:39:16]  I had a wonderful childhood.
[01:39:18]  I have wonderful parents.
[01:39:19]  I could have just gone in and become a lawyer and made a lot of money.
[01:39:24]  But I want to talk about that when we come back because of like four of the five Unite the Right rallies.
[01:39:29]  We're all former Democrats.
[01:39:31]  That's why I'm suspicious.
[01:39:32]  I have no idea if Richard Spencer prepared for this interaction and knew that you can easily compromise Alex with flattery or if he's just intuitive enough to read the desperation and neediness in Alex.
[01:39:42]  But whatever the case, he comes in with the perfect compliment that Alex can't help but be won over by.
[01:39:47]  You're such a big, strong boy.
[01:39:49]  But not only that, like he's saying Alex is a tough guy, but on top of that, Alex is what white men need to be like.
[01:39:56]  That's really hitting Alex exactly where he is.
[01:39:58]  Oh, yeah.
[01:39:59]  Yep.
[01:39:59]  And you can see at the end of that clip, as Alex is going out to break, he's almost walking back his suspicion about Spencer being fake.
[01:40:05]  He's capitulating.
[01:40:07]  He's explaining why he was suspicious as if to show all his cards.
[01:40:10]  Like he's trying to apologize by laying out what made him suspicious, which now almost looks silly.
[01:40:15]  No, I'm sorry.
[01:40:16]  See, it was because five of the six were former Democrats.

=== Alex's Suspicions Unveiled (15:38) ===

[01:40:19]  So that's why I thought you were controlled opposition.
[01:40:21]  Now you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt since you're not a lawyer.
[01:40:24]  Look, I'm just saying, you know, look, look, I know, look, that's why I was sorry.
[01:40:29]  You're great.
[01:40:29]  I'm a big, strong boy.
[01:40:31]  We're all having a great day.
[01:40:32]  Yeah.
[01:40:32]  So when they get back from break, Alex explains that reason for his suspicion.
[01:40:38]  And like, it's so lame.
[01:40:42]  Okay, so Richard Spencer's here with us, and it's interesting to actually talk to him himself and hear things from his view.
[01:40:48]  So let's get into your ethos.
[01:40:50]  And the fact that, you know, I've got some of the background here, classic, you know, cutout type deal, and I can't prove that.
[01:40:57]  But then you guys had the Unite the Right rally where Soros sends in all these people.
[01:41:01]  There's this big clash, and then out of that, they blame Trump.
[01:41:06]  And then most of the leadership of it were like, I've had some mom, some of your bodies, like, well, it is true a year ago I was supporting Obama, but not now.
[01:41:13]  Or, yes, I supported Hillary two years ago, but now I agree with Richard Spencer.
[01:41:17]  And we're, and it just looks like the left creating a group to then identify with Trump to say, oh, look, he's a white nationalist.
[01:41:24]  So there's a rena mob out there saying that and doing that.
[01:41:28]  I mean, I'm not saying there aren't real white nationalists or white supremacists out there, but it seems like the media and the left and their attempt to say whites are inherently bad and do all this crazy racist stuff is to create this dialectic where you take the problems and you collide them together to create the synthesis.
[01:41:46]  What do you think's really going on here?
[01:41:47]  And I mean, who are you really?
[01:41:50]  First off, I did not organize the Charlottesville rally.
[01:41:54]  I was invited to speak at it, and I was a top-build guest, etc.
[01:41:59]  This is a perfect example of why Alex needs to do his homework.
[01:42:03]  His big conspiracy theory about Richard Spencer working for the globalists to create some white nationalist stuff, this big event to tarnish the sterling reputation of Trump.
[01:42:13]  That conspiracy hinges on the idea that Spencer had something to do with the Unite the Right rally.
[01:42:18]  If that's not the case, the whole thing falls because Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about or who he's talking to.
[01:42:25]  He thinks Spencer was one of the organizers of the rally, and he's decided with no evidence that other rally organizers like Jason Kessler are secret globalists.
[01:42:34]  This conspiracy falls to pieces in five seconds when Spencer points out that he wasn't involved in organizing the rally.
[01:42:39]  He was just an invited speaker.
[01:42:42]  Every piece of Alex's suspicion about Spencer is easily dismissed.
[01:42:45]  And now it looks ludicrous to the audience.
[01:42:48]  It looks like Alex doesn't know what he's talking about.
[01:42:51]  And this sort of game would not be so easy to play if Alex had done any preparation.
[01:42:56]  It's interesting because I've looked into it and I kind of think that Spencer's lying.
[01:43:01]  I know for sure that Jason Kessler was the lead organizer of the rally.
[01:43:05]  And Spencer is sometimes credited in stories and places like The Hill as being an organizer, but it's tough to find exact confirmation on that.
[01:43:13]  The SPLC doesn't list him as an organizer, just as the headline speaker.
[01:43:17]  And in an article in the Associated Press from just after the rally, they credit him as an attendee of the rally.
[01:43:24]  That said, I find it pretty difficult to believe that he wasn't in some way involved in the organization of the event behind the scenes.
[01:43:30]  And thankfully, I don't have to go off instinct because right now, Richard Spencer is one of the people facing a lawsuit over the Unite the Right rally, which goes to trial this October.
[01:43:40]  In the course of the case proceeding, a number of Spencer's text messages were turned over to the court and appear in a filing.
[01:43:46]  The picture that's painted in these texts is one where Richard Spencer is far more than just a speaker at the event.
[01:43:52]  In one text, Spencer is requesting speaker bookings.
[01:43:55]  Like he's saying, hey, what about this guy?
[01:43:58]  He's getting in touch with Jason Kessler and being like, we should have this guy speak.
[01:44:03]  In another, Kessler is consulting with Spencer about needing legal help for an insurance policy for the rally.
[01:44:09]  These are not texts you'd expect between an organizer and a headlining speaker.
[01:44:13]  They imply a relationship that's far more than that.
[01:44:16]  Add to that the fact that Richard Spencer held a torch-centric rally in Charlottesville in May, about three months prior to the Unite the Right rally.
[01:44:25]  It's just kind of hard to accept that he was solely just a headlining speaker at the rally, but all of that will likely be sorted out later this year when his case goes to trial.
[01:44:33]  Considering the legal implications of him saying that he was an organizer, like if he said that on Alex's show, it makes total sense.
[01:44:39]  He would take the position that he's taking here.
[01:44:42]  So ultimately, the point that I want to make is whether or not Spencer was an organizer or just one of the main speakers is kind of secondary to the more important issue.
[01:44:51]  And that is that Alex's conspiracy hinges on Spencer being an organizer of the event.
[01:44:57]  And even Alex clearly doesn't know if that's true.
[01:45:00]  Spencer can dismiss that with a few choice words, and all of Alex's theories look like paranoia.
[01:45:05]  And Alex is made to look like he doesn't know what he's talking about in front of his audience.
[01:45:10]  This is really just a display of Alex being outclassed by a very slick, very horrible person.
[01:45:15]  He's being humiliated in front of his audience.
[01:45:18]  Oh, hey, you know, you and your fellow organizers at the Unite the Right rally, you know, a bunch of the other ones are clearly secret globalists, so that's why I think that you are a secret globalist.
[01:45:27]  I'm not an organizer.
[01:45:29]  Well, what do you think about cheese?
[01:45:32]  I love it.
[01:45:33]  But white cheese only.
[01:45:34]  Right.
[01:45:35]  Did you know they make cheddar in white?
[01:45:39]  It's really sad.
[01:45:41]  Yeah.
[01:45:42]  So That being established, now Richard Spencer is free to talk about some of his political leanings.
[01:45:51]  I don't know about George Soros sending in people.
[01:45:54]  In terms of my own personal background, I've never been a Democrat.
[01:45:59]  I voted for John Kerry in 2004 for reasons that I might very well vote for a Jim Trump again in 2000.
[01:46:07]  He was supporting Obama working for Obama a year before he organizes this rally, Charlottesville.
[01:46:12]  Well, he seems to have a lot of ideas rattling around in his head.
[01:46:18]  I don't know if he knows who he is, but I can only speak to who I am.
[01:46:23]  And then the next thing you're organizing a white nationalist event.
[01:46:26]  It's not terribly.
[01:46:28]  It's not terribly unusual for people, particularly young people, to kind of go off in different directions.
[01:46:33]  But I'm not in touch with him.
[01:46:35]  I can't speak.
[01:46:36]  Do you know the Southern Poverty Law Center was running the Elohim Shetty facility, white supremacist compound, where McVay was and all that.
[01:46:42]  That came out in court.
[01:46:43]  That's all Alex is going to be.
[01:46:44]  Now we're just shooting the shit.
[01:46:46]  Right.
[01:46:46]  Yep.
[01:46:46]  Now all pretense of an adversarial interview is gone.
[01:46:51]  Right.
[01:46:51]  And so he's coming.
[01:46:53]  Alex is trying to come up with like, you know, hey, Jason Kessler used to work for that.
[01:46:58]  It's like, I don't like that guy.
[01:46:59]  Yeah.
[01:46:59]  If you read the texts that are in that court filing, they're horrible to Kessler.
[01:47:04]  They hate him.
[01:47:05]  Like, there is an exchange between Richard Spencer and this other dude where they are like talking about how they've discovered that Kessler's grandma is Jewish and they're going to blackmail him if they don't, if he doesn't leave them alone after the rally.
[01:47:20]  Like the classic Hitler move.
[01:47:22]  They fucking hate this guy.
[01:47:24]  So like the idea that Alex is going to be like, well, I'm going to bring up your buddy.
[01:47:29]  Like, no, I don't like that guy.
[01:47:30]  Fuck that dude.
[01:47:31]  And like Richard Spencer's position on politics makes more sense than Alex's.
[01:47:36]  Like this accusation that some of these people voted for Democrats, like, yeah, I voted for John Kerry because I'm against war.
[01:47:43]  Right.
[01:47:43]  I hated George.
[01:47:44]  Didn't you hate George W. Spencer?
[01:47:45]  I am consistently against war, and I am willing to vote and back up that position.
[01:47:51]  Right.
[01:47:51]  Now, I'm sure it felt great for you to run around and yell about Ron Paul.
[01:47:55]  Oh, yeah.
[01:47:56]  But we all knew Ron Paul wasn't going to get elected and George W. Bush was a fucking warmonger.
[01:48:01]  So, yes, I voted Democrat.
[01:48:04]  That makes more sense.
[01:48:05]  And the explanation, yeah, people, particularly young people, have, you know, they tend to go in different directions.
[01:48:13]  That is much closer to reality than the picture that Alex paints.
[01:48:17]  And the reason why this is dangerous is because Richard goddamn Spencer is making way more sense than Alex on Alex's own show.
[01:48:24]  Absolutely.
[01:48:25]  Because there are different.
[01:48:27]  Because the bar is set so low.
[01:48:28]  Totally.
[01:48:29]  Totally.
[01:48:31]  Alex is accidentally allowing him a platform that not only normalizes him, it makes him look better than the hero.
[01:48:38]  Man, I want to say, I don't know if I want to say this, but I don't know if this is an accident.
[01:48:45]  I don't either.
[01:48:46]  I really don't know if this is.
[01:48:48]  Because if you're not.
[01:48:49]  I think it's an accident on Alex's part, but I don't know if it's an accident based on whoever booked this film.
[01:48:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:48:55]  That's fair.
[01:48:56]  I think Alex wanted to come off better, but I do think that the point was to platform a white nationalist as well as grab attention for having the balls to talk to a white nationalist or something like that.
[01:49:12]  I struggle with what I think the motivation would be.
[01:49:15]  And I think for me to actually say what, you know, this is why he's doing this, I think that'd be irresponsible.
[01:49:23]  I don't know, but it feels like the booking is the editorial choice.
[01:49:28]  Somewhat, but I mean, again, like we talked about on the last episode, you can have people on if you have a confrontational approach to it.
[01:49:34]  I think that Alex is at least pretending that's what he's doing.
[01:49:38]  So you could easily say, like, well, he executed terribly.
[01:49:42]  Right.
[01:49:42]  His intention was to get back on the stupid evil continuum.
[01:49:47]  Alex is deeply, deeply incompetent.
[01:49:49]  So that is a possible situation.
[01:49:54]  Like, I was going back and forth with, like, what is the reason for this happening?
[01:49:59]  And I think a big reason for it is they're both white identity guys.
[01:50:03]  And Richard Spencer has recently broken with Trump.
[01:50:07]  And that is something that's relevant to Alex.
[01:50:11]  I think he wants to bring him on to humiliate him because, oh, yeah, you're turning on Trump just what a globalist would do.
[01:50:17]  Exactly.
[01:50:17]  That kind of thing.
[01:50:19]  That motivation makes total sense.
[01:50:22]  Similarly, I think that there might be a kernel of it that is, I want to bring on someone who's demonstrably a white nationalist, white supremacist, and distance myself from them because everyone thinks that I'm that.
[01:50:36]  If I'm publicly disagreeing with this guy, then haha.
[01:50:40]  Right.
[01:50:42]  I think that there's possibly a very complex motivation.
[01:50:45]  Yeah, I yeah, I agree with you.
[01:50:49]  I'm not saying I don't think it is simple by any means because there's so many different variables in having Richard Spencer on your show and you're Alex.
[01:50:59]  Yeah.
[01:51:00]  I could almost even see it being a setup.
[01:51:03]  The booker was like, I'm a white nationalist and I want to get these views out.
[01:51:07]  And I know Alex doesn't have a shot against this guy.
[01:51:10]  Yeah.
[01:51:10]  You know?
[01:51:12]  But that's a fucking conspiracy theory.
[01:51:14]  I'm losing my mind.
[01:51:15]  Yeah.
[01:51:15]  I accept all possible explanations for why this is happening as being possible, but I don't, I think the psychology that Alex consistently expresses leads me far more towards like he's gonna he wants to have him on to provide some sort of a distance between them or whatever.
[01:51:36]  And we already have the David Duke example as being pretty clearly that.
[01:51:41]  So it's more likely that that's the situation again.
[01:51:44]  Yeah, but I think also that's not taking into account the amount of difference there is between 2015, Alex, and 2020.
[01:51:50]  Absolutely.
[01:51:51]  Like the even if his intention was to do the same thing that he thought he was doing with the David Duke interview, the circumstances aren't the same.
[01:52:02]  Yeah.
[01:52:02]  And this is just bad.
[01:52:06]  We can agree.
[01:52:07]  Alex's main criticism is that he thinks that he's false opposition.
[01:52:10]  He's a globalist.
[01:52:11]  And so that gets fully ended here, I think.
[01:52:14]  I think that criticism is just squashed.
[01:52:18]  That there are dirty tricks and false opposition like that created.
[01:52:22]  The fact is, that is not who I am, period.
[01:52:25]  Okay, well, if you're not going to say you are, go back to your beginnings, your ethos, and what made you become this person now that the media's chosen as kind of the new David Duke.
[01:52:34]  Right.
[01:52:35]  I think that you and I might have similar origins in the sense that at a young age when we were becoming adults, we realized that there was something wrong with the world.
[01:52:46]  So at this point, Alex has made his accusation.
[01:52:49]  Spencer's responded to it in the negative, and Alex has accepted his claim that he's not false opposition.
[01:52:54]  If you're paying attention, that means that Alex has just deduced that he's talking to a legit white nationalist.
[01:53:01]  This should be the point of the interview where Alex takes issue with Spencer's white nationalism, but that isn't what I see.
[01:53:07]  I see Alex saying, well, who are you then?
[01:53:10]  Justify your white nationalism to me.
[01:53:12]  He opens the door for Spencer to create rapport with him by saying, I bet we're a lot alike when we were starting.
[01:53:17]  This is manipulation shit.
[01:53:18]  And Alex seems completely unaware or totally fine with the fact that he's being played.
[01:53:23]  Yeah, did Spencer call Pachenek before this, just being like, give me some playbook here.
[01:53:30]  Let me know what steps I need to take.
[01:53:32]  And then I'll get him saying that he's a Nazi by the end of the show.
[01:53:35]  See, I don't think that that's necessary.
[01:53:38]  Like, I think that, you know, like the flattery stuff, I think that would be something that someone who has some awareness of how people are communicating would pick up on and be like, all right, I'm going to flatter this guy, and he's going to roll over.
[01:53:50]  Yeah.
[01:53:51]  And if you have any understanding of Alex's talking points and his worldview, sure, you could tailor whatever you're saying to be like, this is going to be in line with you.
[01:54:03]  Or you could just be a white nationalist and say what you believe, and there's going to be a lot of overlap.
[01:54:08]  Yep.
[01:54:09]  So that could also just be just a natural thing that happens.
[01:54:13]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:54:14]  Because like right after that, after he says, like, you know, we're probably very similar coming up.
[01:54:19]  There was a problem with the world that we identified.
[01:54:22]  He starts talking.
[01:54:23]  And that problem is non-white.
[01:54:26]  Right.
[01:54:26]  Yeah.
[01:54:26]  And I think that if you listen to this clip, anybody who listens to Infowars is going to find a lot of this stuff really familiar.
[01:54:33]  I wanted to understand why my people and our civilization have been so demoralized, why we are not able to stick up for ourselves and our people and think about our future, why we are so eager to unilaterally disarm, why we have this black cloud hanging over our heads, whether it's slavery or the Holocaust or so on.
[01:54:58]  And it's preventing us from acting in our own interest, from being great, from going to the stars, to put it most vividly.
[01:55:08]  And I will understand that, that guilt complex that is always weighing us down.
[01:55:15]  This is so close to so much of the stuff Alex talks about.
[01:55:18]  He talks about going to the stars all the time.
[01:55:20]  All the time.
[01:55:22]  I wanted to understand why white people were made to feel this guilt.
[01:55:25]  Alex's primary emotional driver is this desire to not feel that guilt that he feels like people are putting on him.
[01:55:35]  There's so much here that if you are a committed Alex Jones follower, you'll hear this guy and you'll be like, man, Richard Spencer's making some good points.

=== Alex and Spencer Discuss Trump (15:44) ===

[01:55:44]  I thought he was a bigot.
[01:55:48]  Right.
[01:55:48]  Oh, boy.
[01:55:49]  Right.
[01:55:50]  Now, Alex and Spencer get to talking about Trump a little bit.
[01:55:55]  Okay.
[01:55:56]  And somehow that's more palatable to me.
[01:56:01]  I think this is where their paths diverge a little bit.
[01:56:04]  And I don't think that they're able to find not really.
[01:56:09]  But I think that their perspectives are fairly interesting because all Alex has is like sort of surface level talking points.
[01:56:17]  And I think that Richard Spencer is a little bit closer to accurate in terms of what Trump was doing in his campaign.
[01:56:24]  To go back a little bit earlier when you showed that image of me getting punched and you were saying, oh, they were creating a dialectic.
[01:56:34]  Well, the fact is Donald Trump created a dialectic.
[01:56:39]  Donald Trump was calling upon race, even if he wouldn't use that word specifically because he told us directly, particularly at the RNC, that I am your man.
[01:56:51]  I am going to stick up for Americans.
[01:56:53]  Americans have dreams too.
[01:56:55]  Immigration is out of control.
[01:56:58]  I'm going to be your guy.
[01:57:00]  This was implicitly, it was explicitly nationalist.
[01:57:04]  And let's be frank, it was implicitly racialist because America has been a white country for its entire political history.
[01:57:13]  That's what Donald Trump was about.
[01:57:15]  He was actually calling upon these energies in a way that no other reason is that.
[01:57:20]  I don't agree with that.
[01:57:21]  He's just calling for unity and saying those that want to divide us and say America's bad or wrong, it's okay for America to exist.
[01:57:28]  And all of our traditions are good and we should celebrate those.
[01:57:32]  But it was a unification event as well.
[01:57:36]  Was up there at the RNC with a rainbow flag, but he also went and marched in pro-life events, something no Republican's done.
[01:57:43]  He's trying to, I mean, he really seems pragmatically trying to be a unifier, but also stand up for human life and get the IRS off church's backs because they have no place being there under the First Amendment.
[01:57:54]  I mean, I just don't, that's, I think, what you were massively divided.
[01:57:59]  The United States of 1950 could have been unified in a kind of nationalist message, and we were to a very large degree fighting the Cold War.
[01:58:07]  We are polarized and we are polarized down racial lines to a very large degree, as opposed to the nationalists.
[01:58:14]  It's not even a matter of polarization of A or B.
[01:58:16]  The country is fragmenting into small communities that don't trust one another.
[01:58:22]  They're like a vaccine of racism.
[01:58:24]  They have the left being totally racist, and it's wrong and needs to be decried, but that's meant to have the autoimmune response of whites aligning upon race, just like a warden controls a prison through race.
[01:58:35]  That's all.
[01:58:37]  But we're going to have to accept this reality.
[01:58:40]  We're not going to come up with some nice Republican conservative leader who's going to unite the country.
[01:58:45]  That is more ridiculous than any outlandish thing I've ever seen.
[01:58:50]  I don't know.
[01:58:50]  I mean, quote, minorities are huge listeners and supporters of this show, and I run into them and they get what's going on and they want the American dream.
[01:58:56]  They don't care what color they are.
[01:58:59]  Purely Hispanics and Asians.
[01:59:01]  I'm sure you can find individuals like that, but the general Indians, Indians, Indians that are citizens are like a highest level of Trump supporters.
[01:59:11]  I just don't, I just don't, I'm not buying what you're saying.
[01:59:14]  I see the media trying it, and I see you as playing the part on the other side if you don't know.
[01:59:18]  We'll just come back.
[01:59:19]  Longer segment straight ahead.
[01:59:20]  I'll try to give you the floor for at least five minutes at the start and say what you have to say because I appreciate your courage coming on the show.
[01:59:25]  I think because of Alex's incompetent flailing, he's going to, I mean, to use the terminology of that community, he's allowing his audience to be kind of red pilled down this road of like, yes, Alex, these are problems, but sooner or later, you're going to have to accept the reality that you're not going to get some guy in here who's going to unite people.
[01:59:47]  You need to.
[01:59:48]  That's explicitly what the conservative people are against.
[01:59:52]  Right.
[01:59:53]  And I think that whether or not Spencer is right about what Trump was doing, he is accurately describing how a lot of people heard Trump's message.
[02:00:03]  Yeah.
[02:00:04]  And Alex refuses to accept that.
[02:00:06]  He refuses to accept that a lot of things that Trump was saying was specifically tailored to be heard a certain way by white nationalists and white supremacists, probably because of the influence of people like Stephen Miller, who Alex has constantly said loves Infowars.
[02:00:21]  So it's almost a Nora Boros in some ways.
[02:00:24]  I don't know if it's, I was trying to think of the word while he was talking.
[02:00:29]  I think it's, I guess it's maybe less exhausting to listen to this bullshit just because he's saying the quiet part loud.
[02:00:36]  Yeah.
[02:00:37]  You know, like I don't have to work at all.
[02:00:40]  And he's just like, Trump is a white nationalist.
[02:00:43]  That's why we voted for him.
[02:00:44]  And I'm like, thank you.
[02:00:45]  Right, right.
[02:00:46]  We know.
[02:00:47]  And he's saying it in full sentences.
[02:00:49]  Yeah.
[02:00:49]  And he doesn't jump around to all this like extraneous bullshit like Alex does.
[02:00:53]  No, I'm not tired.
[02:00:55]  Speaking in little nuggets of like scattershot shit.
[02:00:58]  Yeah, like Alex is, it's almost meant to wear out your attention space.
[02:01:03]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:01:03]  And in a certain way, and I think that's also probably a danger of Alex interviewing someone like Spencer because he comes off smart.
[02:01:11]  Cogent.
[02:01:11]  Right.
[02:01:13]  To a listener.
[02:01:13]  Yeah.
[02:01:14]  Now, granted, if they're used to and like Alex, that might be boring to them.
[02:01:18]  That's there is a possibility.
[02:01:20]  I don't fully know how people would experience it.
[02:01:23]  But I do think it runs the risk, certainly of being heard that way by his listeners.
[02:01:29]  And that's a real, that's a real danger that Alex has a responsibility to be aware of.
[02:01:34]  Even if he pushes back a little bit, defending Trump calling for unity or whatever.
[02:01:39]  Yeah.
[02:01:39]  That's not, that's not.
[02:01:40]  Nobody's going to buy that.
[02:01:42]  Nobody's going to buy that.
[02:01:43]  No info warrior is going to buy Trump was calling for unity.
[02:01:48]  Come on.
[02:01:48]  It seems hard to swallow.
[02:01:51]  No, I mean, comparably, Richard Spencer is far more attractive right now on this interview.
[02:01:59]  So if you were.
[02:02:00]  Right.
[02:02:00]  He's asserted dominance.
[02:02:01]  He's deflected all of Alex's criticisms.
[02:02:03]  Alex, his big accusation looked like shit.
[02:02:07]  And now he's supplicating himself before him.
[02:02:09]  Yeah.
[02:02:10]  With only this sort of surface-level talking point pushback and talking over Spencer whenever he's trying to make his points.
[02:02:18]  That's what he has to do.
[02:02:19]  Yeah, So in this next clip, they get back, and Spencer starts talking about how he wants homogenous populations.
[02:02:26]  Or I'm sorry, the globalists want homogeneous populations of everybody intermixed.
[02:02:31]  Yeah, and Spencer wants slaves.
[02:02:34]  Why is everybody confusing?
[02:02:35]  He wants ethno-states more accurately.
[02:02:38]  I don't think we actually have to look too far to understand what globalists want because we see it every day.
[02:02:45]  They want an undifferentiated mass of humanity on a planetary scale, all eating McDonald's and shopping and charging things on credit.
[02:02:57]  I hate you so much.
[02:03:00]  That's a sacrament.
[02:03:02]  I agree, actually.
[02:03:03]  It gets even worse.
[02:03:05]  They want that version of globalism.
[02:03:08]  That is not what I want.
[02:03:10]  I want what you could call civilizationalism or identitarianism or racialism in the sense that we have real unified cultures that are part of an historical tradition and can look forward to a future that is connected to their past.
[02:03:30]  I don't want to turn the planet into a giant shopping mall.
[02:03:34]  I want Europeans to be European, to pursue our path.
[02:03:39]  I want Africans to be African.
[02:03:41]  I want Indians to be Indian.
[02:03:43]  I want them to rediscover themselves.
[02:03:45]  That is what I am about.
[02:03:47]  How can Alex argue with that?
[02:03:51]  What in his sort of rhetorical arsenal does he have to be like, no, countries shouldn't just be one ethnicity?
[02:04:00]  What does he have?
[02:04:00]  He doesn't have shit.
[02:04:01]  Yeah, I know.
[02:04:02]  And the way that Spencer's framing the beginning of that argument with like, this is what the globalists want.
[02:04:08]  They want everybody to be cookie cutter, all the same.
[02:04:11]  One world is a big shopping mall.
[02:04:13]  Alex is yes-anding with him at the beginning.
[02:04:15]  They're chopped their testicles off.
[02:04:16]  Yeah, also that.
[02:04:17]  Not only that, but he can't then be like, I disagree with your conclusion that I helped you arrive at it.
[02:04:23]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:04:24]  It's stupid.
[02:04:24]  That's fucking.
[02:04:25]  I hate that.
[02:04:27]  I hate that so much because that's such an inverted bullshit view of reality.
[02:04:33]  Look, we live in the city.
[02:04:35]  There are people from every fucking culture here.
[02:04:38]  We have parades for Puerto Rico's.
[02:04:42]  We have Gay Pride Parade.
[02:04:43]  We have food from everywhere.
[02:04:45]  We celebrate all of these different cultures all in the same place, both together and separate.
[02:04:52]  Like, that's part of the joy of it.
[02:04:54]  And then he's talking about all these other places where it is homogenized.
[02:04:58]  I grew up in a small town homogenized with nothing but white people, and everybody ate at fucking Wendy's and shopped at Walmart.
[02:05:05]  That is what he's saying that he's against.
[02:05:08]  Right.
[02:05:08]  I fucking hate him.
[02:05:09]  I hate him so much.
[02:05:11]  Wow.
[02:05:11]  I hate him so much.
[02:05:12]  You're going to hate Alex more, I think, in this next clip.
[02:05:15]  God damn it.
[02:05:16]  Mike down for this because I think this is a good thing.
[02:05:19]  I'm a little anti-this will infuriate.
[02:05:21]  I mean, let's say what it is and they can continue.
[02:05:23]  Let's say what it is and then you can continue.
[02:05:25]  The Christian Western ethos was the white man's burden to build a civilization, to develop technology, to go into all these countries and really not exploit people, empower them, build them up, give them science.
[02:05:37]  Those populations explode, then the modern corporation technocrats turn against that, exploit the third world, racially turn them against the Christian ethos, erase the Christian ethos, and then bring the whole thing down.
[02:05:49]  And so the white man's Christian quote burden of expansionism did empower in many ways the third world and explode their populations, but now that's being used as a weapon against what's left of the West.
[02:06:01]  Wow.
[02:06:03]  So the white man's burden, Alex believes, is to bring civilization to all these other countries and then be demonized for it.
[02:06:13]  He could have just stopped right when he finished the Kipling reference.
[02:06:17]  Once he was there, I was like, I got it.
[02:06:19]  Yes, you think colonialism is great.
[02:06:21]  And definitely not what that leads to is, no, it's a good thing.
[02:06:25]  It's a good thing.
[02:06:25]  We actually did great.
[02:06:26]  Right.
[02:06:27]  We actually did great for them.
[02:06:28]  God, I hate him.
[02:06:29]  Yeah, the worst.
[02:06:30]  That's the worst.
[02:06:31]  And it's not going to help push back at all against the things that Spencer's saying.
[02:06:37]  Like, that's not going to be a rebuttal of anything.
[02:06:39]  No, no.
[02:06:41]  So it's almost a yes and.
[02:06:43]  Yeah, totally.
[02:06:44]  And so in this next clip, Spencer's saying that globalization is normal, which is a very unfamiliar conversation on Alex's show.
[02:06:53]  And it actually does eventually force Alex to express that globalization isn't bad.
[02:07:00]  Globalists are bad.
[02:07:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:02]  Which is a distinction that I've never heard him make on the show.
[02:07:05]  Of course, but it's forced because Spencer is clearly saying that there is a global community that is real.
[02:07:13]  So we've got to get away kind of from the nationalist globalist divide and move towards a synthesis of a civilizational racial consciousness.
[02:07:24]  And that is how the world is breaking down.
[02:07:28]  There are major fissures in this economically globalized world.
[02:07:33]  And those are on the basis of civilization and race and culture in the deepest sense of the word.
[02:07:40]  Now, Richard, you know, at the highest levels of the global system, they're actually very, very racist.
[02:07:46]  And do you notice that?
[02:07:49]  Hmm.
[02:07:50]  I'm starting to like that.
[02:07:51]  It's scientific how they go and they study each group and only want the smartest from each group.
[02:07:55]  And then that's the excuse to recruit all the scientists for this project of further dumbing people down and things so they can just accelerate this program, get rid of the bad sons to make sure there's not a challenge to the hegemonic system of the technocrats.
[02:08:10]  I think Spencer's just letting Alex talk, honestly.
[02:08:13]  Yeah.
[02:08:13]  He's just rambling about the like, oh, they want to take all the good sons.
[02:08:19]  Sure, sure, sure, Alex.
[02:08:21]  Keep on going.
[02:08:21]  Once you're done, I'll get back to talking smart stuff.
[02:08:24]  I'll get back to at least using sentence structure.
[02:08:27]  I will continue laundering white nationalism and calling I'm a racialist.
[02:08:32]  Jesus Christ.
[02:08:33]  So Alex in this next clip is complaining about the media and MSNBC in particular.
[02:08:39]  And he's like, they're like Hitler.
[02:08:41]  And Richard Spencer's, do not talk about my Führer like that.
[02:08:45]  It leads to an interesting exchange.
[02:08:47]  And we need to understand ourselves as Europeans, as a broader people on this planet with a particular destiny and a particular charge.
[02:09:01]  Well, there's no doubt that the closest thing to Hitler is MSNBC.
[02:09:05]  I mean, that's just, but from the position that white people.
[02:09:09]  What?
[02:09:11]  Well, let me explain that.
[02:09:13]  MSNBC has the purest Hitler message I've ever seen.
[02:09:18]  It's just from the perspective that whites are bad instead of other groups are bad from an Aryan or Nordic perspective.
[02:09:25]  I mean, you tune into that, man.
[02:09:28]  It's socialist.
[02:09:29]  It's anti-white.
[02:09:33]  It's Hitler, but from the other perspective.
[02:09:35]  And surely, I mean, you see that.
[02:09:38]  Relative?
[02:09:40]  I kind of get what you're saying.
[02:09:42]  I think that's a bit over the top.
[02:09:44]  So do you like Hitler?
[02:09:45]  I'm not going to say it like that.
[02:09:47]  What?
[02:09:47]  Do you like Hitler?
[02:09:50]  Hitler's just a man from history, a major figure like Genghis Khan.
[02:09:56]  We need to understand where we're going.
[02:09:58]  Oh, God.
[02:10:00]  And our consciousness and also our challenge is going to be very different than the challenge of the world.
[02:10:06]  Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
[02:10:07]  And history doesn't riot.
[02:10:09]  It does repeat.
[02:10:10]  Well, let's talk about Hitler, the real Hitler on the other side.
[02:10:15]  Stay with us.
[02:10:16]  Oh, boy.
[02:10:17]  That was what we call a non-answer to the question, do you like Hitler?
[02:10:21]  Do you know what is the least possible gotcha question I can think of?
[02:10:25]  Hey, what do you think about Hitler?
[02:10:26]  Bad.
[02:10:27]  Oh.
[02:10:27]  The end.
[02:10:28]  Gotcha.
[02:10:29]  Do you like Hitler?
[02:10:30]  No.
[02:10:30]  In fact, I would go so far as to say I strongly dislike Hitler.
[02:10:34]  Hey, he was just a guy.
[02:10:35]  He was just a guy.
[02:10:36]  That's not the.
[02:10:36]  No, no.
[02:10:37]  Did you just start with he was just a guy?
[02:10:39]  Because I know where you're coming from.
[02:10:41]  Yeah.
[02:10:43]  But you see this, like, this is high status behavior.
[02:10:47]  Yeah.
[02:10:47]  The way that Alex is like saying that MSNBC is close to Hitler and he's just laughing.
[02:10:52]  He's scoffing.
[02:10:53]  And even after Alex isn't used to it.
[02:10:57]  Alex isn't used to having something like that, like having to defend a position that he just rambles out.
[02:11:02]  Like he's used to working with like fucking two-time losers who need Alex in order to exist or employees or potential employees.

=== Soros and HitlerNarratives (08:04) ===

[02:11:12]  Do you think Barnes is going to flub a question like, do you like Hitler?
[02:11:15]  Or associate grifters.
[02:11:17]  You know, like Laura Loomer or people like that who are like, Alex is going to say, like, yeah, MSNBC is like Hitler.
[02:11:23]  And like, yeah, you bet it is.
[02:11:24]  He is.
[02:11:25]  Woo!
[02:11:25]  So is CNN.
[02:11:28]  They're all everybody's Hitler.
[02:11:30]  Richard Spencer doesn't give a shit about that.
[02:11:31]  He has his own industry or whatever.
[02:11:34]  He doesn't need Alex.
[02:11:35]  So he's like, what are you talking about?
[02:11:37]  Alex isn't used to that.
[02:11:38]  Alex has to explain himself.
[02:11:40]  The answer is ridiculous.
[02:11:41]  And Richard Spencer, even after the explanation, is like, I kind of get what you're saying.
[02:11:47]  I think you're trying to say MSNBC is bad.
[02:11:49]  And I don't like you bringing my boy Hitler into it.
[02:11:52]  Right.
[02:11:53]  God, that should be the simple.
[02:11:57]  God, you're so easily called a Nazi.
[02:12:00]  You're a Nazi.
[02:12:01]  If your answer to, do you like Hitler is not no, then you're a Nazi.
[02:12:05]  I don't understand how that's a complicated question.
[02:12:08]  It seems like it.
[02:12:09]  So Alex at the end of the clip said, you know, hey, when we get back from break, let's talk about the real Hitler.
[02:12:14]  And we know what that means.
[02:12:15]  That means when he gets to-deny the Holocaust.
[02:12:17]  No, not specifically.
[02:12:20]  He's no Steve yet.
[02:12:21]  Yet.
[02:12:22]  It's that Hitler was set up kind of narrative.
[02:12:25]  So he rambles for about a minute or two about his normal talking points about Hitler.
[02:12:30]  He doesn't bring up that he believes that Hitler was a Rothschild, which is weird.
[02:12:34]  I guess that, I mean, that's a big part of this.
[02:12:36]  Alex has clearly said that he's researched that and proven it.
[02:12:39]  But he doesn't bring that up.
[02:12:40]  He just talks about how, like, you know, Hitler was set up by the globalists.
[02:12:44]  And so if you listen to how this ends, I think it would be a fair description to say that Spencer is kind of amused by Alex.
[02:12:53]  There's like an elevated, like, ah, look at you kind of thing.
[02:12:57]  And so Hitler was a creation, then set up to destroy Europe and then bring down that model, but then bring in the scientific behind-the-scenes model that IBM and others were there propping up Hitler.
[02:13:08]  So that's the real world.
[02:13:09]  And so if you don't think, Richard Spencer, and I'm not saying you're a Hitler, that you are controlled, you just need to watch out and understand that you might be more controlled than you think by the system, by how they promote you and other things, because you're helping create one part of that dialectic clash that they're wanting.
[02:13:27]  I mean, have you ever thought about that?
[02:13:32]  Fair enough.
[02:13:32]  Yeah, I've certainly thought about bad actors and what role I might play in a bad scheme, of course.
[02:13:40]  But I mean, I can tell you very seriously, I am for real.
[02:13:46]  I am passionate about these ideas.
[02:13:48]  I care about our future, and I'm my own man.
[02:13:52]  So that's all I can say.
[02:13:54]  I mean, for better and for worse, I'm not funded by a bunch of globalists.
[02:13:58]  But the fact is, we probably need a pro-white Soros out there.
[02:14:03]  We actually need to need billionaires and a serious movement for social change.
[02:14:10]  We can't just back away from the stage of history and say, ah, we just want individual freedom and constitutionalism and so on.
[02:14:19]  No, we are actually going to need major actors in this play.
[02:14:24]  We're going to need people behind the scenes and funders in order to accomplish this.
[02:14:29]  And we need to get serious about that and realistic about it.
[02:14:32]  So there's, I mean, he's scoffing.
[02:14:34]  I'm not paid by globalists.
[02:14:36]  There's a like, I'll come back to that.
[02:14:37]  He's talking to a child.
[02:14:38]  Yeah.
[02:14:39]  He's talking to a 10-year-old and he's like, oh, you'll learn when you grow up.
[02:14:43]  You say that MSNBC is Hitler?
[02:14:45]  Yeah.
[02:14:46]  This is ridiculous.
[02:14:48]  And so, I mean, Soros has come up a couple times.
[02:14:50]  And so Alex brings up that Soros is a Nazi collaborator, which he brings up constantly with people.
[02:14:57]  And it's almost a litmus test of like, are you going to go along with this?
[02:15:01]  Everyone knows it's not true.
[02:15:02]  Yeah.
[02:15:03]  Are you going to go along with this?
[02:15:04]  And I've seen universally everyone who's on Alex's show goes along with it.
[02:15:10]  Richard Spencer.
[02:15:11]  Now you're talking to somebody who likes Hitler.
[02:15:13]  That is not a smear.
[02:15:15]  Richard Spencer responds in a way that I've never heard anyone respond.
[02:15:20]  Pulling back from that, you say we're going to need a Soros.
[02:15:22]  Soros was a Nazi collaborator, did help round up fellow Jews, and he said it was the best time of his life on 60 Minutes.
[02:15:30]  So isn't it funny that the guy you say is the polar opposite, I guess, of what you're trying to do actually worked for the Nazis?
[02:15:37]  Look, Soros had obviously a strange life history.
[02:15:43]  And Soros also has a bit of a complicated relationship with, say, Israel or the American foreign policy establishment.
[02:15:52]  He opposed the Iraq War.
[02:15:54]  It's a complicated story.
[02:15:55]  But the notion that George Soros is pro-white or racialist in some way is completely ridiculous.
[02:16:05]  No, I agree with you.
[02:16:07]  He's part of the dialectic.
[02:16:09]  He's the other side of what you know.
[02:16:12]  Okay.
[02:16:13]  That is real.
[02:16:15]  Wow.
[02:16:16]  Wow.
[02:16:16]  Okay.
[02:16:18]  You could hear the eye roll.
[02:16:20]  Yeah, sure.
[02:16:22]  All right, Alex, whatever.
[02:16:24]  That is funny because Spencer is a white nationalist out and out.
[02:16:29]  Yeah.
[02:16:30]  So he doesn't need this shit.
[02:16:33]  Don't hide behind George Soros, pretend being a Nazi collaborator.
[02:16:37]  Alex, come out here with me.
[02:16:39]  We love Hitler.
[02:16:40]  Let's just say it.
[02:16:41]  Come on, buddy.
[02:16:42]  Yeah, you don't.
[02:16:43]  Let's hold hands and walk underneath that rainbow and burn the rainbow to the ground because we love Hitler.
[02:16:49]  And what this demonstrates, I think, in some ways, is the way in which these narratives, like Soros is a Nazi collaborator and stuff like that, those are the things that are used as a mask in order to hide behind.
[02:17:00]  And once you're out and out and people just know what you are and what you're about, you don't need that mask anymore.
[02:17:05]  I don't need to make up bullshit about Soros.
[02:17:08]  I love Hitler.
[02:17:10]  You can just openly be like, yeah, you know, Soros is a pretty complicated figure.
[02:17:15]  There's a lot of stuff in his politics and in terms of his life that are complicated.
[02:17:23]  And Alex's whole premise is that Soros is a Nazi collaborator.
[02:17:27]  And Spencer's like, to imagine that he has that kind of politics is ridiculous.
[02:17:33]  Yeah.
[02:17:33]  No, no, he's part of the dialectic.
[02:17:36]  Yeah, sure.
[02:17:36]  Whatever.
[02:17:37]  Oh, man.
[02:17:37]  Whatever.
[02:17:38]  That's funny.
[02:17:39]  I've not heard really many, if any, I think there may be a few, but I mean, maybe like Dean Adell, Dr. Dean Adell may be one of the only people who's like really kind of smacked Alex down a little bit.
[02:17:53]  And it was a bit more joyful than this.
[02:17:55]  Whereas I've not heard many people, especially lately, come in and just be like almost patronizing.
[02:18:03]  Yeah, it is so stark in contrast to how simple, how simple, how much more simple your life and explanations get when you're just telling the truth of what you believe instead of hiding behind 300 different complicated conspiracy theory lies.
[02:18:21]  And how it frees you up to sort of demonstrate whether or not you're calling people out.
[02:18:27]  You can demonstrate the lying and the deceit in someone who is hiding.
[02:18:32]  Yeah, and you can engage with reality in terms of Soros and be like, he's a complicated figure.
[02:18:37]  I can say that because I hate him for being Jewish.
[02:18:41]  Sure.
[02:18:43]  So they get to talking about what Spencer's view of the future is, which isn't great.
[02:18:47]  But if you listen to this pretty carefully, I think you'll see a couple of instances where he's directly attacking some of Alex's core beliefs.
[02:18:55]  And because of the way this interview's gone, I don't think Alex has it in him to stand up for himself.

=== Future of White Death (15:52) ===

[02:19:01]  Give us your view of the future and what you think is going to unfold.
[02:19:05]  I think my immediate view of the future is basically more of the same.
[02:19:09]  The United States is suffering from a kind of white death, deaths of despair.
[02:19:14]  People who are hooked on drugs and have no sense of the future whatsoever and are literally and figuratively just killing themselves.
[02:19:26]  I think there is going to be more of this in the future, but there will be a reaction to this.
[02:19:31]  Here, I guess I kind of agree with you in the sense that there will be a point in which white people start collaborating together, working together as a team, and start forging their own destiny.
[02:19:46]  We stop unilaterally disarming ourselves, and we understand that there is power and collective action.
[02:19:54]  A team is going to destroy any individual opponent.
[02:19:58]  And we will eventually start acting like that.
[02:20:01]  If they stand up for Second Amendment or their families or pro-life or against communism, that they're racist.
[02:20:08]  Yeah, but all that's kind of individualism at some level.
[02:20:11]  It's about saying, oh, we don't want this state power.
[02:20:15]  We just want to be left alone and all that kind of stuff.
[02:20:18]  All that kind of stuff is weak at the end of the day.
[02:20:21]  The fact is, we're never going to be left alone.
[02:20:24]  We should just get that out of our minds.
[02:20:26]  And we probably won't leave other people alone.
[02:20:29]  We need collective power and state power.
[02:20:33]  We need to rise to this challenge as opposed to just saying, oh, just leave me alone.
[02:20:38]  It'll be okay.
[02:20:39]  Give me my rights or things like that.
[02:20:41]  We need to start being the badasses of history again, people who are pushing history in the right direction.
[02:20:47]  We need to rise to that challenge.
[02:20:49]  Well, I think people in general need to push a pro-human future because an anti-human future is being built.
[02:20:54]  I'm not trying to organize people against the machine, anti-human globalists take over that these technocrats admit in their own megalomania, which they're actually building because we've acquiesced our destinies, period, and are laying down as humans.
[02:21:07]  Then if you look at what you were just talking about, and the people committing suicide and the death and everywhere, and white's leading that, it is because there is a racial attack on whites being directed by the filth and the scum in Hollywood and the globalist combine who are the enemies of all humanity.
[02:21:23]  So he says right there at the end.
[02:21:26]  So what you have is Spencer laying out his view of what is going to come, and that is basically we need to have collective action in order to take over apparatuses of state power, and then whites will be in charge and run everything with that worldview in place.
[02:21:47]  And Alex is like, well, what about, you know, they come down on you if you're into the Second Amendment.
[02:21:52]  These are the most deeply held beliefs Alex has.
[02:21:56]  And Richard Spencer says they're weak.
[02:21:58]  Yep.
[02:21:58]  Those are weak.
[02:21:59]  We need to control the state apparatus.
[02:22:01]  We need to embrace the state, the power of the state.
[02:22:05]  We need to create an authoritarian system.
[02:22:09]  And Alex, based on everything, everything that he professes to believe, that should be the single worst insult anybody has ever said to him.
[02:22:20]  That should be fighting words.
[02:22:21]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:22:22]  That should be the fuck off my show.
[02:22:24]  You should be punching.
[02:22:25]  You person who...
[02:22:27]  You love the government.
[02:22:28]  Oh, you want a bigger federal government?
[02:22:31]  Please.
[02:22:32]  You should know that you think that you're going to get your cool white guys in there for the government, but you know that it's just going to be used against you.
[02:22:39]  It's more globalists.
[02:22:40]  They've infiltrated your operation.
[02:22:42]  You can't allow them to do that shit.
[02:22:45]  That should be his approach or something.
[02:22:47]  Instead, he just proves that he is exactly what he's called.
[02:22:51]  I'm just fighting for a pro-human future, man.
[02:22:54]  That proves that he is weak.
[02:22:56]  Capitulation.
[02:22:57]  Yes.
[02:22:57]  Exactly.
[02:22:58]  Has been vanquished by Richard Spencer.
[02:23:01]  Richard Spencer, because like, and legitimately, there is something Alex could have done.
[02:23:07]  Like, he could have argued some of it would be difficult with his established position set.
[02:23:12]  It would be really, really fucking hard to retain your beliefs and argue against Richard Spencer.
[02:23:19]  Yeah.
[02:23:20]  But he could have prepared.
[02:23:21]  He could have watched any interviews that Richard Spencer has done, any of the streams that Spencer's been on where they discuss some of these issues.
[02:23:29]  You could have figured out some of the tricks that he uses.
[02:23:32]  You could have figured out, well, what's a weakness?
[02:23:34]  What's a point?
[02:23:37]  Ask him about Hitler, the end.
[02:23:39]  I don't think that would even really work that.
[02:23:42]  You see what?
[02:23:44]  Because that's even like an attack that he's had many times.
[02:23:47]  Yeah, of course.
[02:23:48]  So you could have done more preparation and been able to handle yourself a lot better.
[02:23:52]  But like I said, I don't think I think he was destined to lose because of the beliefs that are compatible.
[02:24:02]  And Alex isn't good at nuance and specifics.
[02:24:05]  He's explicitly against nuance and despises specifics.
[02:24:09]  Which might be the only real way to have this conversation and not come out looking stupid.
[02:24:15]  Because, I mean, if you were to take some of these talking points that Spencer has and try and differentiate them from your own, you really need to get into theory.
[02:24:24]  You need to get into like a pretty deep, like, what's the distinction between your version of whites are under attack and mine.
[02:24:33]  Yeah, what flavor of white nationalist are you?
[02:24:35]  Well, and then Alex would have to try and do some heavy lifting in order to try and rationalize why what he is expressing isn't white nationalism and what Spencer is saying is.
[02:24:44]  And Alex just can't do that.
[02:24:46]  Even with a ton of prep, I don't think he'd be able to do that.
[02:24:49]  No, because he's a white nationalist.
[02:24:51]  You can't lie enough about being a white nationalist when you've already explicitly said.
[02:24:55]  I mean, that is a problem.
[02:24:58]  It's again so fucked up how easily Richard Spencer is.
[02:25:03]  Because the ideas that Alex and so many of these guys espouse all logically end with extermination or enslavement.
[02:25:13]  Right.
[02:25:14]  Always.
[02:25:15]  And Richard Spencer is just out here saying we probably won't leave people alone.
[02:25:19]  Right.
[02:25:19]  Which is like, oh, so you know that it's going to end in extermination or enslavement.
[02:25:23]  And you're just out there.
[02:25:24]  Or displacement.
[02:25:25]  Or displacement.
[02:25:26]  But even then, if he displaces people, you think his in his world white nation.
[02:25:32]  Do you think they stop at the border?
[02:25:34]  No.
[02:25:34]  Of course not.
[02:25:35]  No, no.
[02:25:36]  It would end up being pretty empire oriented.
[02:25:39]  That's the only way that they live.
[02:25:41]  He wants everybody to look up at him with his boot on their chest.
[02:25:45]  He's fucking crazy.
[02:25:47]  Yep.
[02:25:47]  So here's where the interview ends.
[02:25:49]  And I think it ends with Alex complimenting Richard Spencer.
[02:25:53]  Of course he does.
[02:25:53]  Of course he does.
[02:25:54]  Makes total sense.
[02:25:55]  Well, Richard Spencer, I got to say, you actually had a discussion with me.
[02:25:58]  David Duke just wanted to score points and talk about Jews all day.
[02:26:02]  And I would have him back on.
[02:26:03]  I want to have controversial people on the show.
[02:26:05]  It just turns into trying to score points to the other person.
[02:26:12]  But I appreciate you coming on the show.
[02:26:14]  And are you going to be in Virginia?
[02:26:16]  Next week, I'm going to be there in D.C. at the Women's March.
[02:26:20]  Well, I might come down if you're there.
[02:26:22]  Sure.
[02:26:22]  Well, I'd like to interview if you are.
[02:26:24]  I think that'd be a good on-camera interview.
[02:26:26]  Very thought-provoking.
[02:26:27]  Because, again, I mean, compared to the left right now, you're like an anti-racist.
[02:26:32]  Thank you.
[02:26:32]  You're right.
[02:26:33]  Yeah, that's great.
[02:26:37]  He's completely laundered this dude to his audience.
[02:26:40]  Yeah, I mean, Jesus, Alex, do you want him to rub your belly now?
[02:26:43]  Like, what is going on here?
[02:26:45]  Alex does stop short of offering him a job.
[02:26:47]  Yeah.
[02:26:47]  But he just wants him to be on-air personalities that he can interview from time to time.
[02:26:53]  Sure.
[02:26:54]  I don't see that being not possible.
[02:26:57]  I think Richard Spencer might show up on Alex's show more in the future.
[02:27:01]  I believe it.
[02:27:02]  Like, I just think this is the worst.
[02:27:04]  Yeah.
[02:27:05]  Yeah, it's disappointing.
[02:27:06]  It's, you know, but it's not surprising.
[02:27:10]  The way that Alex has been operating in the present day, like having E. Michael Jones on and Steve Pieczenik denying the Holocaust and Alex not batting an eyelash, like there's a real trend that's happening.
[02:27:23]  And Richard Spencer being on the show and basically just being presented as an anti-racist compared to the.
[02:27:30]  I can't.
[02:27:30]  I can't.
[02:27:31]  Right.
[02:27:32]  But he should have been punched in the face.
[02:27:34]  That's very predictable.
[02:27:36]  No, it is.
[02:27:36]  It's right in line.
[02:27:37]  It's right in line.
[02:27:39]  It's the same kind of hill that we've been going down.
[02:27:41]  But God, if you say that anywhere near me, I'm going to punch you in the face.
[02:27:45]  So Spencer's gone now, and Alex starts talking about some of this stuff.
[02:27:50]  And I think that what you see is that Alex is much more able to stay on what he perceives to be the message when he's not talking to Richard Spencer.
[02:28:00]  There's a movement to end humanity, as we know it, a post-human move.
[02:28:04]  And that's attacking the little boys, attacking the little girls.
[02:28:07]  They don't care what color you are.
[02:28:08]  They're attacking the children.
[02:28:10]  And it's good versus evil.
[02:28:14]  And it's absolutely true that whites are under attack and that the left is pushing it with a Marxist-Leninist agenda.
[02:28:20]  But I believe we're smart enough to expose that and change that.
[02:28:23]  That doesn't mean we shouldn't be proud of who we are, no matter what color we are, and stand up for ourselves when people try to guilt us into submitting to their political agenda because we're white.
[02:28:32]  So now that Spencer's left, Alex feels more able to stick to the message, which is still pretty racist.
[02:28:37]  It's very racist, but it's his fairly consistent.
[02:28:40]  Comparably.
[02:28:41]  Yeah, it's his fairly consistent spiel about how the globalists are attacking everyone, but let's focus on the white part of the equation.
[02:28:47]  I think this highlights a point that seems pretty important, and that is that Alex is only different from Richard Spencer in terms of how they see themselves.
[02:28:55]  Spencer's pretty open about how he's just focused on white people.
[02:28:59]  Alex pretends to care about all people, but weirdly, every single thing he seems to talk about, all the pressing issues he covers, seem to have to do with white panic.
[02:29:08]  Well, that's because they're under attack.
[02:29:09]  I mean, when the other groups and racial groups are the main people under attack, I'm sure he'll come to their defense.
[02:29:15]  Of course, Dan.
[02:29:16]  Right.
[02:29:17]  Of course.
[02:29:17]  Right.
[02:29:18]  It seems like that's the fake wall that's between them, and it's only optical.
[02:29:26]  So Alex starts talking about immigrants, and he seems to express that he's fine with second-generation immigrants.
[02:29:33]  The majority of people being brought in right now are being totally made dependent and brainwashed and used to drive down wages and to be racially based.
[02:29:41]  But people that have been here a generation or two now, I don't care what color they are.
[02:29:49]  They get what's going on.
[02:29:50]  And Generation Z shows that.
[02:29:52]  That is the least white generation in American history.
[02:29:57]  And in all the polls and studies, they're the most conservative.
[02:29:59]  See how that works?
[02:30:01]  Really?
[02:30:01]  And it's not because they're brown.
[02:30:04]  It's because they're living in this clash and they see that it's a load of crap.
[02:30:11]  Now, that doesn't mean you become a leftist bleeding heart and run around apologizing, you know, you know, because you're white to counter this.
[02:30:19]  And you don't then run around and put swastika armbands on either, in my view.
[02:30:23]  You say, damn it, here's the scam they're running.
[02:30:25]  Don't we want to be smart enough to not do this and be a bunch of idiots?
[02:30:28]  And then if we fail, and 20 years from now, I'm in some white redoubt with my family because I'm white and a giant people that aren't white are coming to kill me.
[02:30:37]  I'm going to fight and fight hard.
[02:30:38]  Damn well, you better believe it.
[02:30:39]  They choose to be racial.
[02:30:41]  They choose to run their flags that way.
[02:30:43]  They want to fight.
[02:30:43]  They'll get one.
[02:30:46]  But that'll be a group of non-whites that have decided to come at me because I'm white.
[02:30:51]  It won't be all the other brown people that didn't choose to be with that pirate horde.
[02:30:55]  What are you talking about?
[02:30:57]  So in this scenario, did you try inviting non-white people to your redoubt?
[02:31:04]  Are there any non-white people at your redoubt?
[02:31:06]  Or did you self-select a white redoubt in order to keep everybody else out?
[02:31:12]  I don't know.
[02:31:13]  Hey, chicken or egg, Dan.
[02:31:14]  Right.
[02:31:15]  That's fucked up.
[02:31:15]  That is fucked up.
[02:31:17]  I don't even want to address any of that stuff.
[02:31:19]  He's a white nationalist.
[02:31:21]  Yeah.
[02:31:22]  Or at least a white redoubtist.
[02:31:24]  Right.
[02:31:24]  He just talks about it in more like sort of abstract in the future.
[02:31:29]  When it comes to it, we'll do this.
[02:31:31]  Yeah.
[02:31:31]  Whereas Richard Spencer is like, we need to do this.
[02:31:33]  I mean, obviously, I'm going to join with the whites in the coming race war.
[02:31:37]  Of course.
[02:31:37]  Of course.
[02:31:38]  But until then, hey, I love second generation.
[02:31:41]  So in the past, I've found polls that show that there's some conservative identification among Generation Z folks, but also that the age group is overwhelmingly in favor of very progressive politics.
[02:31:52]  When I've looked at this question in the past, I've always come away thinking that there's a complexity in the younger set that polling must not be able to capture.
[02:32:00]  On the one hand, you can find like a Forbes article citing a UK study that found that 59% of Gen Z respondents had, quote, conservative or moderate views on social issues.
[02:32:11]  On the other hand, Pew Polling from last year showed clear progressive leanings among even self-identified Republican members of Generation Z. For instance, they found that 52% of self-identified Republican Gen Zers said that the government should do more to solve problems, which was far higher than any other generation.
[02:32:30]  Gen Z Republican-leaning people are far more concerned about climate change and are far more likely to believe that humans have a part in causing it.
[02:32:37]  Also, just generally, Gen Z is overwhelmingly on board with recognizing systemic racism, supporting people's pronouns, and a lot of stuff holds true, even among Republican-leaning members of that group.
[02:32:49]  What it looks like is this.
[02:32:51]  There are some people under 24 who identify as conservative or Republican, but that doesn't mean anything close to what Alex thinks it does.
[02:32:59]  One of the likely outcomes you might expect from this sort of data is that these people will grow up and realize that their politics are not Republican-leaning at all, and they'll stop identifying themselves that way.
[02:33:09]  Alternatively, if there are enough among the generation who retain their Republican identification and their fairly left-leaning ideas along with it, you could see a GOP being pushed to the left by that constituency.
[02:33:22]  I have no idea what to expect, but I can say definitively and confidently that Generation Z is not the most conservative generation.
[02:33:29]  And even if it's not as liberal as some like to imagine, it's entirely possible that labels mean a different thing to Gen Z than people like Alex want to realize.
[02:33:39]  His brand of conservatism is not popular among anyone, except maybe the silent generation who's still alive.
[02:33:45]  Yeah.
[02:33:46]  That's I mean, it's and even not that, because isn't Bernie part of the silent generation?
[02:33:50]  Yeah, isn't that true?
[02:33:52]  No, I mean, it's obvious.
[02:33:54]  Regardless of party affiliation, there's going to be a difference in perspective from the baby boomer generation who knows they're going out real soon and Gen Z who knows that when they're 50, they're going to be dying in a giant hellscape earth.
[02:34:08]  That's going to change your opinion on future policies.
[02:34:12]  Yep.
[02:34:13]  Yeah.
[02:34:14]  So in this next clip, Alex talks a bit about the Democrat and Clinton broken coalition strategy.
[02:34:21]  And it's interesting because he's had Larry Nichols on to yell about it a lot.
[02:34:25]  Actually, Larry doesn't yell much, sort of ramble a bit about it.
[02:34:29]  But the way Alex is talking about this, I don't really think he understands what that means.
[02:34:33]  I don't think he understands what the broken coalition is.

=== Spending Time on Racism (11:47) ===

[02:34:36]  And the left have something called a broken coalition strategy.
[02:34:40]  All these atomized, alone people that they then throw together.
[02:34:47]  And right now they're using the attack training doll of white people.
[02:34:51]  And whites need to reject it and get in the face of it and get in the face of the left pushing racialism and a total abandonment of Christianity and Martin Luther King Jr. and everything and absolutely get in its face.
[02:35:07]  And if he'll talk, the racist left, then talk.
[02:35:10]  Spencer would talk.
[02:35:11]  I talk to him.
[02:35:14]  In fact, Lister should recommend the racist minority leaders we should get on, but behind almost all of them are white PhD Ford Foundation folks.
[02:35:24]  Weird.
[02:35:25]  Great.
[02:35:26]  Okay, well, then don't get the weird white PhD foundation people.
[02:35:30]  Right.
[02:35:31]  No, they're not going to come on.
[02:35:33]  Of course not.
[02:35:34]  So I don't care about that stupid bullshit and his trying to say that Richard Spencer's on the left or whatever.
[02:35:40]  Yeah.
[02:35:40]  The broken coalition, every time I've heard Larry Nichols talk about it, this is a strategy that is specifically about prior.
[02:35:47]  One of the things that every candidate would do is prioritize straight white Christians as the largest demographic bloc that you're vying for.
[02:35:58]  The Clintons realized that you could fight for this demographic, or you could understand that there's a lot of people in the world who have different interests.
[02:36:09]  So you could bring in the LGBTQ community.
[02:36:13]  You could bring in the African-American community.
[02:36:15]  You could bring in Hispanic voters.
[02:36:17]  And the sum of those coalition that are disconnected, apparently, because of their individual interests, create a larger voting block than the straight white Christian bloc.
[02:36:30]  That is how it's always been described to me in the way I understand it.
[02:36:34]  But Alex seems to think that it's broken people.
[02:36:38]  People who are like individually atomized.
[02:36:41]  Yeah, one person over here, one person over there.
[02:36:43]  And that's not at all what the conversation has always been.
[02:36:47]  I think that he doesn't understand the topics he's talking about.
[02:36:50]  I don't know.
[02:36:51]  I mean, that's stupid.
[02:36:53]  Just a few years later, GW and the conservatives would name it better and just call it the big tent.
[02:37:02]  How do you get so confused at broken coalition?
[02:37:05]  I don't know.
[02:37:05]  That's so stupid.
[02:37:07]  Yep.
[02:37:07]  So in this next clip.
[02:37:09]  No wonder the conservatives had to dumb it.
[02:37:11]  Yeah.
[02:37:12]  So in this next clip, Alex talks about how his whole conception is that the globalists, you know, they create two sides and then make them fight.
[02:37:19]  Sure, it's a dialectic.
[02:37:20]  Right?
[02:37:20]  Yes.
[02:37:21]  But Alex prefers the Russian model, which isn't good.
[02:37:25]  They create the two sides, clash them together.
[02:37:28]  I like the Russian model where they know they've been attacked.
[02:37:32]  They know they brought in all these other groups to hate Russians.
[02:37:34]  Russians have been told to hate themselves, not have kids, all kill themselves.
[02:37:37]  Russian suicide's down.
[02:37:38]  Russians for the first time in decades are living longer and they're having more kids.
[02:37:43]  And they're coming back, not out of a racist thing that Russians are best, but that hey, we're Russians and we like ourselves and we like who we are.
[02:37:49]  And we've survived a bunch of people trying to take us out for 500 years and we're not going to go down.
[02:37:54]  And we're proud of ourselves.
[02:37:56]  You want to work with us?
[02:37:57]  If you're anybody in the group, that's great.
[02:37:58]  But you want to come in here and tell us what to do?
[02:38:00]  We're going to throw your ass out.
[02:38:02]  And if you try to stop that, we're going to kill you.
[02:38:06]  And that's what the Poles are doing.
[02:38:07]  And that's what the Hungarians and the Romanians and the Czechs are doing because they've been invading 1,500 years by Muslims.
[02:38:14]  And they know it when they hear again that white people are bad.
[02:38:17]  You better let the Muslims in to run your life.
[02:38:19]  They say, you know what?
[02:38:20]  I can't go to a Muslim country and say I'm going to run the whole show.
[02:38:23]  I'm pulling my knife out and I'm fighting to the death.
[02:38:25]  And they're winning.
[02:38:26]  Whoa.
[02:38:29]  Okay.
[02:38:29]  So Alex prefers that model.
[02:38:31]  What just, why is he even bothering to protect you?
[02:38:35]  Yeah.
[02:38:35]  Just say you're a fucking Nazi.
[02:38:37]  Jesus.
[02:38:38]  All I'm saying is I want a homogenous population all sharing my exact appearance and values and all the stuff that I say.
[02:38:46]  And I want them to wipe out everybody who gets in the way.
[02:38:49]  I don't understand what the problem here is.
[02:38:51]  Why are people calling me a racist?
[02:38:52]  Right.
[02:38:53]  And, you know, hey, if people come in to the country and they aren't completely subservient to my interests and my groups, I'm going to take out my knife and I'm going to fight to the death.
[02:39:01]  And we're winning.
[02:39:02]  Jesus.
[02:39:03]  Yeah.
[02:39:04]  Just stopped.
[02:39:05]  It is.
[02:39:05]  It does seem to be an artificial distinction that he desires to make.
[02:39:10]  And it's very upsetting.
[02:39:12]  I'm almost what I care most about is the people who are getting hurt whenever we allow the races to mix.
[02:39:19]  That's my issue.
[02:39:21]  All we're doing is fighting all the time.
[02:39:22]  Let's go to a homogenous whites-only population.
[02:39:26]  Nothing bad ever happens when that goes on.
[02:39:29]  Alex is interested in unity, man.
[02:39:30]  That's what you got to understand.
[02:39:31]  Yep.
[02:39:31]  Sorry.
[02:39:32]  So if there's one shining bright spot in this episode.
[02:39:38]  Horses are psychic.
[02:39:39]  That is true.
[02:39:40]  Second is that it's been a long time, but Alex brought back one of the hits in this.
[02:39:47]  Are we going to get the highwayman?
[02:39:48]  No, no, no.
[02:39:48]  Damn it.
[02:39:49]  Not a musical hit.
[02:39:50]  But one of his greatest hits.
[02:39:52]  Okay.
[02:39:52]  Something we might have spent way too much time talking about in the past.
[02:39:56]  I mean, I'm not a big partier, but when I was getting divorced like five, you know, six years ago, I would go to Halloween parties and stuff.
[02:40:01]  And I would have women and other people walk over to me because I was famous and go, are you a Nazi?
[02:40:09]  Because I was wearing a captain hat and looked at the Nazi Nazi hat and a white guy.
[02:40:14]  And I'd say, you know, and they would say more about, well, there's all these Nazis around.
[02:40:17]  And I'd say, no, you're the Nazi.
[02:40:19]  You're a racist that comes here in the most open country in the world and you tell me I'm a racist.
[02:40:23]  And it was like Arab men doing it and leftist women.
[02:40:26]  I would just laugh at them in the party and just get in their face.
[02:40:28]  And they would piss me off because they were so, oh, I'm sorry.
[02:40:31]  No, I'm not a racist.
[02:40:32]  Let me suck your boots.
[02:40:33]  That's not going to happen either.
[02:40:35]  So we get the Nazi Halloween hat story making a resurgence in 2020.
[02:40:40]  I wonder why he's thinking about that Nazi hat right now.
[02:40:43]  That's strange.
[02:40:43]  It's odd.
[02:40:44]  That's really weird.
[02:40:46]  I don't know.
[02:40:47]  Maybe he's in the mood to deflect criticism that he's giant Nazis.
[02:40:52]  So, Alex talks about how he gets attacked for a lot of stuff.
[02:40:55]  But one of the things he never really gets attacked about is talking about how extra-dimensional aliens are attacking him.
[02:41:03]  Richard Spencer's on Twitter.
[02:41:04]  He's on YouTube.
[02:41:05]  I'm not because I'm trying to stop.
[02:41:08]  That's good point.
[02:41:09]  The anti-human takeover.
[02:41:10]  And notice they don't attack me when I say, hey, it's off-world entity manipulating humanity, trying to teach us how to destroy ourselves.
[02:41:17]  Notice they don't make a thing out of that because they all follow that.
[02:41:20]  They all know that.
[02:41:21]  They're not atheist.
[02:41:25]  Oh, it's interdimensions.
[02:41:28]  That's a freaking UFO cult out in San Francisco and in Silicon Valley.
[02:41:32]  They take huge doses of drugs to interface with these entities that are giving them the blueprints, the ideas of all this crap to build, and then how to make us racially fight with each other to take us down.
[02:41:43]  Let me explain it again.
[02:41:44]  Interdimensional aliens are attacking us to make us all kill each other.
[02:41:47]  The Bible says it.
[02:41:48]  Are we going to put up this stupid?
[02:41:51]  Are you complaining that no one attacks you for that?
[02:41:53]  Because we do pretty regularly.
[02:41:55]  Yeah.
[02:41:56]  This is stupid.
[02:41:57]  Also, based on what we're learning more and more about Project Camelot stuff, people should be attacking more people for interdimensional alien stuff because usually underneath it is a shit ton of racism.
[02:42:07]  Yeah, it does seem like there's a weird overlap of that.
[02:42:11]  Yeah, and I also think that other people are mocking him for this.
[02:42:15]  But it might not be the most relevant thing that, like, let's say a publication like The Daily Beast would want to cover.
[02:42:23]  It kind of fades into the background when there's more pressing real world issues than Alex believes extra-dimensional demons are causing racism and giving globalists secret space technology.
[02:42:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:42:35]  That's not for right-wing watch.
[02:42:37]  That's for interdimensional right-wing watch.
[02:42:39]  Right.
[02:42:39]  It's a new one I'm starting.
[02:42:41]  I'll talk to Jared.
[02:42:42]  We'll see what happens.
[02:42:43]  It's one of those things, too, that like I could see an editor just being like, this is the least harmful of his beliefs.
[02:42:51]  Pass, guys.
[02:42:52]  Pass.
[02:42:52]  Yeah.
[02:42:52]  We're an entertainment show, so we make fun of it quite a bit.
[02:42:55]  We get very stupid.
[02:42:57]  Also, you wore a Nazi hat, dude.
[02:42:58]  Yeah.
[02:42:59]  So Alex goes to calls to.
[02:43:01]  No.
[02:43:02]  What?
[02:43:02]  Yep.
[02:43:04]  And there's an interesting thing that happens on this call.
[02:43:07]  Glad I finally got through.
[02:43:08]  Happy new year and new decade.
[02:43:12]  I call it the doubly roaring 2020s.
[02:43:15]  Like you have the roaring 1920s, doubly roaring 2020s.
[02:43:18]  Yes, sir.
[02:43:18]  This year is a good idea.
[02:43:19]  Yeah, we got it, buddy.
[02:43:19]  Doubly roaring 2020.
[02:43:21]  If you notice, that caller wished Alex a happy new decade.
[02:43:24]  And Alex is very insistent that it is not the beginning of the new decade.
[02:43:31]  He thinks that thinking that it's a new decade is a globalist trick because the globalists like to fuck with calendars.
[02:43:39]  This caller does not get corrected.
[02:43:42]  I think this caller is obviously a globalist because nobody would make a nickname longer than the Roaring 20s.
[02:43:48]  That was an already long nickname.
[02:43:50]  The doubly.
[02:43:51]  The doubly roaring 2020s.
[02:43:55]  I don't know if this guy is a globalist or not, but something he says in this next clip leads me to believe probably not.
[02:44:01]  I'm possibly, I'm guessing that I am your best customer in Copenhagen and in Denmark and maybe in all Scandinavia.
[02:44:08]  I did the stats today.
[02:44:10]  I spent about $19,000 last year on it.
[02:44:14]  Holy shit.
[02:44:15]  It's that tiny percentage of folks that underwrite this show.
[02:44:18]  So money well spent, my friend.
[02:44:19]  God bless you.
[02:44:21]  That's real bad.
[02:44:23]  19 grand.
[02:44:26]  How?
[02:44:27]  I don't know.
[02:44:27]  How?
[02:44:29]  Did he lose money gambling with this products or something?
[02:44:31]  What happened?
[02:44:32]  I wonder if that's just not true.
[02:44:34]  That can't be true.
[02:44:35]  It seems very high.
[02:44:36]  $19,000.
[02:44:37]  What is it everywhere?
[02:44:38]  I mean, a lot of this stuff is pretty expensive.
[02:44:39]  So it's real expensive.
[02:44:41]  Yeah.
[02:44:41]  And I mean, if you bought like a one of those water filtration devices that are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:44:48]  Because some of the ones that Alex sells are for like showers and stuff, too.
[02:44:52]  So it's like a lot of water.
[02:44:54]  Yeah.
[02:44:54]  I could see, you know, I see it being possible.
[02:44:59]  I also see it being unwise.
[02:45:01]  Yeah, I will say that.
[02:45:03]  I was shocked.
[02:45:06]  That's like when you hear somebody spent $1,000 on Candy Crush.
[02:45:10]  You're like, you can't even, you can't do that.
[02:45:12]  Can you do that?
[02:45:13]  You can't do that.
[02:45:14]  You did?
[02:45:15]  What?
[02:45:15]  How?
[02:45:16]  Why?
[02:45:17]  So once this caller says that he spent $19,000 last year at Alex's store, you kind of got to get like, this guy's got to, you got to let him talk.
[02:45:25]  Yeah.
[02:45:26]  And here's what he has to say.
[02:45:27]  I just want to start with some background that I believe based on my, you know, extensive research over decades now of, you know, world history and psychology and all that.
[02:45:38]  Oh, I'm going to get some Nazism out of this.
[02:45:40]  Trump is the greatest psychosocial, political, economical, spiritual super genius ever.
[02:45:45]  And I, and the thing about him is if there were a political IQ test, his would be about a 300.
[02:45:50]  I mean, and I've been saying now for years.
[02:45:53]  He has clearly studied Machiavelli.
[02:45:55]  He's clearly studied Bismarck.
[02:45:57]  He's clearly studied Sun Tzu.
[02:45:59]  And he's clearly studied Claudius.
[02:46:00]  And I can get into any one of those.
[02:46:03]  Okay, man.
[02:46:05]  I mean, maybe you should try reading more recent books.

=== Violence From Absurdity (09:48) ===

[02:46:09]  How can you possibly believe that?
[02:46:11]  What?
[02:46:12]  I mean, how can you spend $19,000 on InfoWars products?
[02:46:15]  Never mind.
[02:46:16]  Of course he believes that Trump is the single greatest bad person.
[02:46:20]  Yeah, I'm out.
[02:46:20]  Good call.
[02:46:21]  Why am I engaging?
[02:46:22]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:46:23]  And I'm not going to either.
[02:46:25]  So Alex says in this next clip that I got kind of derailed, man.
[02:46:29]  That anti-vax story that I had was supposed to be the main story today.
[02:46:33]  But I ended up.
[02:46:34]  And then I was a Nazi for a while.
[02:46:36]  Anyways, let's get back to ANDS.
[02:46:37]  I just basically mainstreamed Richard Spencer with my audience.
[02:46:41]  I kind of forgot.
[02:46:42]  Well, I better yell about it.
[02:46:43]  You know, I probably won't get to the UN report, even though it's our top story.
[02:46:46]  I've covered it Sunday.
[02:46:47]  I covered it Friday.
[02:46:48]  I covered it Saturday.
[02:46:49]  It's so huge.
[02:46:49]  Maybe I should just do the whole show tomorrow on it because you can't just, you know, go piecemeal on something this big.
[02:46:54]  The head UN scientist says vaccines are killing people.
[02:46:57]  I said that again.
[02:46:58]  Vaccines are killing people.
[02:47:01]  And we've been covering it up and there's no accurate real testing.
[02:47:04]  And then she's on TV saying it's all safe and effective.
[02:47:06]  And we have all the other top scientists saying you don't want adjuvants and people are pissed and the doctors don't believe us anymore.
[02:47:12]  And they know the vaccines are hurting everybody.
[02:47:14]  This is at the top summit in Switzerland.
[02:47:20]  And of course, it's in the independent media and, okay, a few hundred thousand views on my website, the banned.video.
[02:47:28]  This needs to be everywhere.
[02:47:30]  And the only way it gets out is you.
[02:47:31]  But see, first it's censor Alex Jones.
[02:47:33]  And now it's don't talk about vaccines.
[02:47:35]  Don't even tell us what's on the insert.
[02:47:37]  Wow, that's stopping public health.
[02:47:39]  That's covering up for corrupt drug companies that Facebook and Google are invested in.
[02:47:43]  Filthy criminals.
[02:47:44]  And now they want to make these vaccines mandatory.
[02:47:49]  The Nazis just lined you up and shot you.
[02:47:50]  But see, they know how to give you a shot, kills you 10 years later.
[02:47:53]  You've got to stop talking about that.
[02:47:54]  Violence is going to come out of this.
[02:47:55]  I don't want violence, but if they keep trying to force vaccines and people get their kids hurt and they get hurt, these vaccine heads and these corporate heads and the big tech heads are going to be fair game.
[02:48:04]  Open season.
[02:48:06]  Whoa, that's not good.
[02:48:08]  That's not good.
[02:48:09]  Open season on, I guess, doctors and the pharmaceutical people because of vaccines.
[02:48:16]  By that same sort of logic, you could really see somebody making an argument that people who push anti-vaccination stuff should be killed.
[02:48:26]  Like, there's open season on them.
[02:48:28]  If you could create some sort of a causal inference between people disseminating anti-vaccination information in various areas, or let's say increased numbers of people getting vaccine waivers on exemptions and then outbreaks of diseases happening.
[02:48:51]  If you could do that, then it would track that anti-vaccination is causing people to be hurt and killed.
[02:48:57]  Yeah, of course.
[02:48:58]  And then there's a season on guys like Alex Jones.
[02:49:02]  And of course that's not appropriate.
[02:49:04]  Of course, that's not good.
[02:49:06]  So you just see like this sort of line probably feels good for Alex to say, but realistically, he's opening the door for people who are extreme on the other side to justify violence against him.
[02:49:19]  Of course.
[02:49:19]  It's all very stupid, and it doesn't take into account the reality of the situation.
[02:49:23]  It's just blustery nonsense that is only meant to escalate and make people not really understand the topics that are being covered, but feel intense things.
[02:49:33]  Yeah.
[02:49:34]  And the violence doesn't end there, man.
[02:49:37]  Alex starts talking about fentanyl.
[02:49:40]  Now he wants to kill all Chinese people?
[02:49:43]  Not necessarily, but a different group.
[02:49:45]  One grain of pure fentanyl will kill you.
[02:49:48]  And they're lacing everything with it.
[02:49:50]  And I just, everybody I know has people dying or almost die from it.
[02:49:53]  I am so pissed.
[02:49:54]  I'm going to say this.
[02:49:55]  Anybody in my family gets hurt by fentanyl?
[02:49:57]  I'm holding the Democrats responsible.
[02:50:00]  Really?
[02:50:01]  That's violence attacking me and my family.
[02:50:03]  I am pissed.
[02:50:04]  They are.
[02:50:05]  They're there.
[02:50:05]  It's horrible.
[02:50:06]  And thank God Trump's trying to stop it.
[02:50:08]  And thank God that law enforcement understands.
[02:50:11]  It's in like cocaine or something where they let some of it slip through or whatever.
[02:50:14]  Anybody with fentanyl selling it needs to be executed.
[02:50:17]  Do like China does or Singapore.
[02:50:19]  Kill people that sell it.
[02:50:20]  I want them dagged because it's too damn millions are getting killed by this crap and it's pissing me off.
[02:50:27]  Excuse me.
[02:50:28]  Millions.
[02:50:30]  So here we find noted self-described libertarian Alex Jones expressing a desire for the state to enact lethal force against people who are engaging in a market interaction where they provide a dangerous substance that people can choose to take or not.
[02:50:43]  Why doesn't Alex believe that people have individual rights?
[02:50:46]  Why does Alex think that the state has the right to initiate violence?
[02:50:50]  This should be entirely against his basic political principles.
[02:50:54]  At least it would be if he were actually a libertarian.
[02:50:57]  But he's not.
[02:50:57]  He's evolved, as many libertarians do, into a full-on authoritarian.
[02:51:02]  The legal system does already recognize that selling drugs that result in injury or death require harsher penalties, like longer prison sentences.
[02:51:10]  Are you sure they don't require execution?
[02:51:11]  No.
[02:51:12]  Okay.
[02:51:12]  Positive of that.
[02:51:13]  What Alex is calling for is execution of drug dealers.
[02:51:16]  And even in his calling for it, he's cognizant that his position is in line with the horrible, oppressive states that he thinks are the big evil in the world.
[02:51:25]  And one of the main problems you're going to run into if you try and enact a policy like this is where's the line?
[02:51:31]  Many of the people who are selling opiates with fentanyl in them have no idea there's fentanyl in there.
[02:51:35]  Should these people be killed too?
[02:51:37]  How do you prove and establish that a drug dealer had foreknowledge of exactly what was in the drugs they were the middleman for selling?
[02:51:43]  It's almost an impossible case to make.
[02:51:45]  And I would assume that what you'd end up doing is probably just encouraging summary executions of people.
[02:51:51]  And now we're at deterrent levels.
[02:51:53]  Yep.
[02:51:53]  You know what I remember based on two amendments to the Constitution?
[02:51:59]  Prohibition works.
[02:52:01]  Well, I mean, they didn't just execute people with booze.
[02:52:03]  See, wasn't that what The Untouchables was about?
[02:52:07]  Executing people with booze?
[02:52:09]  Might have been a subplot.
[02:52:11]  Further, I want to ask this question.
[02:52:13]  What's so special about fentanyl that makes Alex want to kill people who sell it?
[02:52:17]  Sure, it's dangerous and it can be lethal, but so can tons of other drugs.
[02:52:21]  And a death from an overdose is a death from an overdose, regardless of what substance people take.
[02:52:26]  According to the CDC, only 67.8% of drug overdose deaths in 2017 were even from opiates.
[02:52:33]  And that's not all fentanyl.
[02:52:35]  Approximately 20% of overdoses involved cocaine.
[02:52:39]  So it would be important for Alex to explain exactly what it is about fentanyl that makes it okay to kill someone who sells that, but not okay to kill a cocaine dealer.
[02:52:50]  This is the real issue.
[02:52:52]  Alex thinks he's making a nuanced, cogent point, like that fentanyl is just so much more dangerous and thus you have to kill people who sell it.
[02:52:59]  But this is just the exact same line of rhetoric that anti-drug people have used forever.
[02:53:04]  He has subjectively decided that fentanyl is so dangerous that it merits killing dealers.
[02:53:09]  But using that same path of reasoning, someone who's universally anti-drug could point to the 20% of OD deaths in 2017 involving cocaine and say that cocaine is so dangerous that you just have to kill people who sell it.
[02:53:21]  Plus, the opiate crisis is not just about fentanyl.
[02:53:24]  Tons of people who are dying are dying from taking prescription opiates, which can be super dangerous when they're abused.
[02:53:30]  Using Alex's line of reasoning, it would be possible for someone to advance the position that we should kill pharmacists, which kind of, I kind of hope this illustrates how absurd Alex's position is.
[02:53:41]  This level of baseline, childish, and violent positioning is really dangerous.
[02:53:46]  Alex is mad about stuff, so he's letting off some steam, saying drug dealers should be killed.
[02:53:51]  But the effect of this is normalizing positions that should be way far outside what's acceptable.
[02:53:56]  But then again, Alex has never really had a problem with Duterte, so this is probably just something he's been cool with for a while and just, you know, kept under wraps.
[02:54:05]  I hear two things going on.
[02:54:07]  One, I can hear him like finally reacting angrily to rolling over and letting Richard Spencer rub his belly.
[02:54:16]  It seems like that probably is psychologically involved.
[02:54:20]  If he can't prove it, it feels that way.
[02:54:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:54:23]  And then two, just this, like, because he was talking to this out-and-out white nationalist, his rhetoric is so much more violent and so much more based around extermination.
[02:54:35]  I think you might be seeing coincidence.
[02:54:38]  I could be.
[02:54:38]  That's entirely possible.
[02:54:39]  But he's not talking about like, we need to put people in prison.
[02:54:43]  This is straight up exterminating.
[02:54:45]  True.
[02:54:46]  But that's also still fairly in line with the escalation that he's been going on there for months.
[02:54:51]  You're right.
[02:54:51]  The last few months now.
[02:54:52]  So like, I can see psychologically the way Alex operates and how fucked up he often is after an interview doesn't go the way he wants it to.
[02:55:01]  My sense from listening to it, like the entire thing, it doesn't really track that way necessarily.
[02:55:08]  I think it's more just like this is more what he's doing these days.
[02:55:13]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:55:14]  So I don't know.
[02:55:15]  I mean, these clips are curated and ordered.
[02:55:18]  So I mean, obviously, I don't have the full context there.
[02:55:22]  That's the progression it sounds like because the ones immediately after he was fairly docent or docile and like a little defensive.
[02:55:32]  As we get further and further away from it, it's pure like, and we should kill them!
[02:55:38]  I think it's more the, I think it's more a reflection of how extremely he's selling this UN vac story.

=== Patents and Conspiracies (07:33) ===

[02:55:48]  And he realizes that he didn't cover it on the show, so he needs to make up for it a little bit.
[02:55:53]  That leads him towards this violence.
[02:55:54]  Right, right.
[02:55:55]  And it carries over into the fentanyl thing.
[02:55:57]  Yeah, that makes sense.
[02:55:58]  I think that that's probably, but I'm glad you brought that up because I think it could easily be heard by our listeners as like that being the natural conclusion.
[02:56:07]  And honestly, we can't know.
[02:56:09]  No.
[02:56:09]  That might be what he's going through.
[02:56:11]  Sure.
[02:56:12]  Or it might not.
[02:56:13]  That's entirely possible.
[02:56:15]  Yeah.
[02:56:15]  Unfortunately, that's how the world works.
[02:56:18]  So Alex takes one last call here on the show.
[02:56:21]  And I think this caller might be into Project Camelot.
[02:56:25]  All right, sorry.
[02:56:26]  So I have something I want really quickly, the crew to just promise me they'll look up.
[02:56:29]  It doesn't have to be today, but in the next few days, look up Salvatore Pius.
[02:56:33]  Salvatore Pius put out a patent.
[02:56:36]  It's a patent for a vehicle that the U.S. Navy is using.
[02:56:41]  It says it's operable and enabled.
[02:56:43]  And y'all should really look into it.
[02:56:45]  Salvatore coming in.
[02:56:46]  Salvatore.
[02:56:47]  Salvatore Pius.
[02:56:48]  But it's like it's Pius Pi P A I S, like the country.
[02:56:53]  It's a ship.
[02:56:54]  His name literally translates to savior of our country.
[02:56:58]  This is real.
[02:56:59]  This is really, really, really real.
[02:57:00]  It's an anti-gravity craft that can go from Mach 46 and Mach 46.
[02:57:07]  Mach 46, Dan.
[02:57:09]  Yeah, it's fast.
[02:57:10]  So over the past few years, Salvatore Pius has applied for patents on behalf of the Navy for a number of very futuristic technologies, including a machine that would create electromagnetic fields, a zero-loss electrical generator, and a compact nuclear fusion reactor.
[02:57:26]  There's literally no reason to believe any of these things have been made.
[02:57:29]  They're just patent applications.
[02:57:31]  Anyone can apply for patents for whatever they want.
[02:57:33]  It's not required that they patent something that actually exists at the time of application.
[02:57:39]  Some people theorize that these patents are part of a misinformation campaign to make other world leaders believe that the United States either has or is working on particular things, which could have the effect of redirecting some of their research and lead them to wasting a bunch of money down rabbit holes.
[02:57:55]  Sure, sure.
[02:57:56]  That does seem like something that's within the realm of possibility, but I have no idea what's going on.
[02:58:01]  That is just a theory that some people have advanced.
[02:58:03]  We're at eight-dimensional chess now, and science has proven that there are dimensions above and below and all around us, Dan.
[02:58:11]  And evil spirits are real.
[02:58:12]  Yeah, and that's how you play chess.
[02:58:14]  This stuff is being pushed by people like David Wilcock.
[02:58:18]  Exactly what this caller is saying.
[02:58:20]  Yeah.
[02:58:21]  It's people in the Project Camelot side of the equation.
[02:58:24]  Until there's any proof of any of this stuff other than patent applications, you know, once there is that, I'll start to give a shit.
[02:58:30]  But for now, this is really ignorable.
[02:58:32]  What this demonstrates very clearly, though, is that there is a basic lack of reality literacy in people like this caller, and to a certain extent, Alex.
[02:58:41]  The caller doesn't realize that a patent doesn't mean the same thing as an actual invention.
[02:58:46]  So he's using completely irrelevant proof to claim that the Navy has all this futuristic tech.
[02:58:51]  Because Alex doesn't really know the difference either.
[02:58:54]  He can't explain it to the caller that he's making a reasoning error.
[02:58:57]  These two people have different deficiencies, but they compound each other.
[02:59:01]  The caller has a basic misunderstanding, which he presents to Alex, who's supposedly an authority figure.
[02:59:07]  In his capacity as that authority figure, Alex completely abdicates any responsibility to set this caller straight about patents.
[02:59:14]  And in doing so, he allows his stamp of approval to tacitly attach to this stuff.
[02:59:18]  It's just bad work all over the place.
[02:59:20]  Yeah.
[02:59:21]  Also, there's a slight problem with the translation of Salvatore Pius' name.
[02:59:25]  They aren't specifying what language it translates in.
[02:59:30]  And then, you know, he's saying it's savior of the country.
[02:59:33]  Salvatore does mean savior in Italian, but pious is country in Spanish.
[02:59:38]  There is a word for country that's close in Italian, but that form is spelled differently.
[02:59:44]  It's not the same word.
[02:59:46]  And it's not the word that most Italians would probably use in that context.
[02:59:50]  Right.
[02:59:50]  Pius is more for like town.
[02:59:52]  So generally.
[02:59:54]  So he's the savior of both Italy and Spain, is what you're saying.
[02:59:58]  Totally.
[02:59:58]  Okay.
[02:59:58]  Translation is complicated.
[03:00:00]  And honestly, it's more fun to use this guy's name to build a conspiracy.
[03:00:03]  So I get where this dude.
[03:00:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[03:00:04]  No, I'm fine with that.
[03:00:06]  Yeah.
[03:00:07]  So they talk a little bit, and this is sort of how we end up the show.
[03:00:12]  I just have one question for this caller.
[03:00:15]  And it determines whether or not I believe anything that he's saying.
[03:00:18]  What do you think about the Getty?
[03:00:19]  Do you have a telescope?
[03:00:20]  Okay.
[03:00:22]  Alex, I mean, he's not doubling down on this guy, this caller, but he isn't also bringing any reasoning or any rationality into it.
[03:00:32]  This is Space Forces.
[03:00:33]  This is the craft of Space Force.
[03:00:35]  Realize that.
[03:00:37]  Well, I know there's a lot of hidden technology they haven't rolled out yet, and Trump wants to do that to innovate us out of this out of this bubble and do an even bigger one, a big, juicy one.
[03:00:48]  So I will look into it.
[03:00:50]  Yeah, there it is.
[03:00:50]  That's an article I haven't seen that.
[03:00:53]  It does get some documents.
[03:00:54]  I'll look into that.
[03:00:55]  It looks like Daily Mail.
[03:00:56]  So the headline of this article in the Daily Mail begins: quote, U.S. Navy has been granted a patent on theoretical aircraft.
[03:01:03]  Theoretical being the operative word there.
[03:01:06]  The article literally says that a representative from the Navy has said that the tech described in these patents is not possible.
[03:01:12]  Quote, as corroborated by a letter defending the patent penned by the chief technical officer of the Navy, Naval Aviation Enterprise, James Sheehey, the mode of movement is, quote, beyond the state of possible.
[03:01:26]  Also, for someone who's made a career selling gold and survival goods, warning that the globalists are going to collapse the economy, it seems weird that Alex would applaud Trump for escaping the current economic bubble by entering a bigger, juicier bubble.
[03:01:37]  That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the word bubble.
[03:01:42]  Yeah.
[03:01:43]  It seems like, if anything, he should recognize that the end result of that bigger, it's a bigger and less juicy crash.
[03:01:51]  Alex, I just put a band-aid on it.
[03:01:54]  May it work.
[03:01:55]  Yep.
[03:01:56]  Oh, the oceans are heating?
[03:01:58]  Put a lot of ice in there.
[03:02:00]  And that'll solve the problem forever.
[03:02:02]  So this seems like a weird way to end, but it is how Alex ends the episode.
[03:02:06]  But it also, I think, is really actually very salient to the problem that is going throughout this episode.
[03:02:13]  And largely speaking, a lot of Alex's life and career.
[03:02:17]  This caller is calling in with a complete bullshit, very easy misunderstanding of how things work.
[03:02:24]  He believes that they've applied for this patent and therefore this machine exists.
[03:02:29]  This would be pretty simple to set straight with like, no, patents don't work that way.
[03:02:32]  Look, there's a bunch of time machines that have patents.
[03:02:34]  Why don't you go look through the patent office and see all the stuff that doesn't exist, can't exist, whatever.
[03:02:40]  Works perfectly.
[03:02:41]  Right.
[03:02:41]  So that would be something that Alex should instill in his audience a greater understanding of how the world works so they can be better critical thinkers.
[03:02:53]  That's presumably what Alex's mission is.
[03:02:55]  He wants smart people out there living in the real.
[03:02:59]  That'll do it.
[03:03:00]  But because Alex's main basic narratives and everything that he talks about doesn't stand up to any kind of critical scrutiny, he needs to have an audience that does believe that patents mean a real spacecraft exists.

=== Gotcha Tape Conundrum (07:02) ===

[03:03:15]  He has to have that.
[03:03:17]  And so he will never do any of the pushing back on the callers in order to help them reach a more critical thinking-oriented space.
[03:03:27]  This unfortunately has the byproduct of having a group of people you've brought together to think uncritically, exposed to people like Richard Spencer dancing circles around you.
[03:03:42]  So when you have somebody like Richard Spencer on and you think, oh, just because I'm so great and awesome and smart, I'm going to have him on here and he's going to bow before me with my superior points.
[03:03:54]  I'm correct 97% of the time, after all.
[03:03:56]  All I do is interview mutual liars and collaborators, basically people on the same scam as me.
[03:04:05]  So I have a very over-inflated sense of my ability to make arguments.
[03:04:10]  And simultaneously, I'm surrounded by co-workers and employees who put up with me barging off set because I'm mad about a mic not being given to me or some shit.
[03:04:21]  I have outbursts all the time that people have to put up with.
[03:04:23]  I'm in an abusive situation with my employees.
[03:04:26]  And so, of course, I am going to be great at talking with this guy.
[03:04:31]  Guy comes in, completely dismantles all of the counterpoints, and the audience that is trained to be basically just sitting ducks for this shit.
[03:04:44]  I hit a thousand playing in my T-ball league, so naturally I can bat another thousand playing this minor league shit poster.
[03:04:53]  Yeah.
[03:04:53]  Cool.
[03:04:54]  They're sitting ducks for bad actors who are introduced into Alex's space in ways like this.
[03:05:02]  E. Michael Jones and Richard Spencer are particular examples of it lately.
[03:05:08]  Like if you did any preparation, you would know what you're exposing your audience to.
[03:05:15]  And Alex, that's why it becomes very difficult, and I understand where you're coming from, where it's like there's a plan here.
[03:05:24]  It becomes very difficult to deny that it appears that there is when the behavior seems very consistent.
[03:05:30]  When there appears to be a pattern to it, it's hard for me to sit here and say, like, Alex is just, you know, he's just bad at this.
[03:05:39]  Yeah.
[03:05:40]  He's inviting these people on, like a guy who hates Jews very passionately.
[03:05:45]  Yeah.
[03:05:45]  Or Richard fucking Spencer.
[03:05:47]  He's just inviting them on and he's doing a bad job.
[03:05:50]  Yeah.
[03:05:50]  Like it's hard for me to take that position.
[03:05:53]  And I don't fully take that position.
[03:05:56]  I only do so because I don't see any like actual hard evidence that this is a plan.
[03:06:02]  Yeah.
[03:06:03]  But I even still, I can't deny that this is kind of what you would do if you were trying to.
[03:06:10]  Well, I think that's where we get right back to the 2013 investigation.
[03:06:16]  I don't care.
[03:06:18]  Functionally, it is the same.
[03:06:21]  Fair.
[03:06:21]  You know?
[03:06:22]  That's fair.
[03:06:22]  One way or the other.
[03:06:24]  I mean, it's not my job to parse how people feel or what they're thinking.
[03:06:29]  I mean, it's...
[03:06:30]  It's my job to parse.
[03:06:31]  Right, right.
[03:06:33]  That's the difference.
[03:06:35]  Fair enough.
[03:06:36]  I will now end my sentence.
[03:06:39]  No, and that is fair.
[03:06:41]  And I take your position entirely as well in terms of like the functional difference is negligible.
[03:06:47]  It's not really important.
[03:06:49]  What the end result is, is you're presenting hardcore bigots to your audience under the auspices of pretending to push back against it or explore what they believe.
[03:07:01]  Yeah.
[03:07:02]  At the same time, presenting them in the most positive light imaginable.
[03:07:05]  The function of that is your sitting duck audience is going to think of them in a different way than they might have if they were presented based on what they actually believe and what they've actually done.
[03:07:15]  So, yes, I agree with you.
[03:07:17]  My only quibble is at all like from my perspective, if he's doing it intentionally, it does change what you should think about Alex.
[03:07:28]  Yeah.
[03:07:29]  If he's doing it accidentally and like because he's white supremacist Mr. Magoo just fumbling through his existence, I mean, you still look at him and think he was pretty bad, but it doesn't excuse his behavior.
[03:07:45]  No.
[03:07:45]  But I do think that there's a different approach you would take in terms of looking at it.
[03:07:49]  That's the only thing that's relevant for me.
[03:07:51]  Yeah.
[03:07:51]  And it is becoming harder and harder to allow plausible deniability.
[03:07:57]  Yeah.
[03:07:58]  But I don't think, I don't know.
[03:08:00]  I don't know.
[03:08:01]  I'm mixed on it.
[03:08:02]  Yeah.
[03:08:05]  I don't know.
[03:08:05]  I feel like it's similar a little bit to me to hearing that Milo recording of Richard Spencer.
[03:08:13]  Like, I don't care.
[03:08:16]  I mean, obviously, that is the end result of his white nationalism.
[03:08:20]  Sure.
[03:08:20]  That's part of his white nationalist belief.
[03:08:22]  If he just even says I'm a white nationalist, I don't care if there's a gotcha tape.
[03:08:28]  He's already revealed that the gotcha tape is what he thinks.
[03:08:31]  Right, the gotcha tape.
[03:08:32]  You know, the gotcha tape is implied.
[03:08:34]  It's implicit, but at the same time, it is.
[03:08:38]  And you shouldn't need that.
[03:08:39]  Like, the New York Times shouldn't need that to know that you don't give this fucker a because they're doing that, you know, and you shouldn't need Brett Stevens' most recent column to know that he's a fucking Nazi too.
[03:08:50]  Like, you don't need all that stuff for functional purposes, as opposed to, I'm not going to say that I can prove that a tape like that existed until one, but functionally, it might as well have.
[03:09:04]  Right, right.
[03:09:05]  You know?
[03:09:06]  Yeah.
[03:09:07]  Do you see what I'm saying there?
[03:09:08]  Yeah, yeah.
[03:09:08]  Yeah.
[03:09:09]  I think we have similar positions, just from slightly different places of responsibility.
[03:09:15]  Yeah.
[03:09:16]  Anyway, this was a tragic episode.
[03:09:19]  Yeah.
[03:09:20]  I think that as we see 2020 developing, I wouldn't be surprised if Richard Spencer comes back.
[03:09:27]  And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Alex ends up talking irresponsibly with even more extremists as things roll along.
[03:09:37]  I'm actually going to disagree with you.
[03:09:38]  I think I would be surprised if Richard Spencer came back, not because of anything they talked about, but because Alex either is going to recognize that he got his ass roundly handed to him.

=== Leo Dzx's Future? (01:02) ===

[03:09:49]  I doubt that.
[03:09:50]  Or he is going to be told not to.
[03:09:54]  I doubt that too.
[03:09:55]  I would say it's entirely dependent on what kind of coverage he gets out of it.
[03:09:59]  Yeah, that's probably true.
[03:10:00]  I mean, if he gets a lot of new traffic, I would assume he's going to keep going down that road.
[03:10:04]  Yeah, you're probably right.
[03:10:05]  But I don't know.
[03:10:06]  I mean, like, you got a trend growing.
[03:10:11]  Not good.
[03:10:11]  So I don't look forward to where this goes.
[03:10:14]  But we will be back, Jordan.
[03:10:18]  Yeah.
[03:10:20]  We have a website, Dan.
[03:10:21]  It's KnowledgeMight.com.
[03:10:22]  Yep, World's Want Twitter.
[03:10:23]  We are on Twitter.
[03:10:24]  It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight, and that go to Mad Jordan.
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[03:10:31]  Go to other podcast dual apps, donate, do the whole fucking thing.
[03:10:34]  Yes, I will be back.
[03:10:37]  But until next time, I'm Neo.
[03:10:39]  I'm Leo.
[03:10:40]  I'm DZX Clark.
[03:10:41]  I'm the juiciest bubble.
[03:10:44]  Andy and Translas, you're on the air.
[03:10:45]  Thanks for holding.
[03:10:48]  Hello, Alex.
[03:10:49]  I'm a First Time Caller.
[03:10:50]  I'm a huge fan.
[03:10:50]  I love your work.