#374: November 25, 2019
Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a present day episode of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex gets mad at Borat and also gets mad at a trailer for a forthcoming Amazon series.
Nov. 27, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge. | ||
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Fight. | |
| Need. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
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knowledge fight knowledge fight.com I love you Hey, everybody. | |
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| In honor of Turkey Day and the astonishing number of advice guides on how to handle your family. | ||
| Dan, have you ever had a huge argument at the Thanksgiving dinner table? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Nothing that sticks out as an individual one? | ||
| No, nothing notable. | ||
| You and your parents mainly agree, right? | ||
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Politics, yeah. | |
| On a lot of politics? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Particularly, at least my parents. | ||
| And my brother and I are all pretty left-leaning, so there's not too much concern about that. | ||
| I guess my dad's parents, he was a Mennonite preacher, and I get a real sense, even though he never really talked politics or anything, I get a sense that he's a bit to the right. | ||
| I have no idea, though, really. | ||
| A lot of that stuff never really came up. | ||
| My mom's mom seemed pretty open and progressive growing up, but again, I never really had those conversations. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| I feel like that's a fairly unique experience, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There's a little bit of a disconnect between a lot of the extended family and my family, I think. | ||
| A lot of that had to do with, for a number of years growing up, we lived in Hawaii. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And almost the entire family lives in California. | ||
| So even seeing each other at all would involve a cross-ocean flight. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then after that, we lived in Missouri, and they all still lived in California. | ||
| And no one's going to come to Missouri. | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| Of course you're going to take that flight out to Missouri. | ||
| It's a very, very underappreciated state. | ||
| Fly into St. Louis, rent a car, head on down. | ||
| And we would go visit the extended family during the summer, because my dad and mom were both teachers. | ||
| And so there was a summer break, and we would take a road trip across the country to go visit family, generally during that time. | ||
| These family Thanksgivings and Christmases weren't necessarily super common. | ||
| There would be more phone calls on Christmas or Thanksgiving. | ||
| The days themselves were nonspecific in terms of family kind of shit right there. | ||
| It's when you would meet when you... | ||
| When we would visit in person. | ||
| Those conversations just never seemed to end up coming up. | ||
| A lot of it was more religious in nature. | ||
| With my dad's side of the family. | ||
| And then with my mom's side. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It was just like... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I assume you have a lot of more experience with that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I am beset on all sides. | ||
| You're surrounded. | ||
| So good luck with that. | ||
| Thanks, Dan! | ||
| I've got it down to a two-hour science. | ||
| I will have a turkey sandwich on Thursday. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| I might make a phone call. | ||
| We'll bring some back for you. | ||
| It's very nice of you. | ||
| So, Jordan, this podcast where I don't know too much about Thanksgiving fights over politics, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I know a hell of a lot about one and not much about the other. | ||
| That's this podcast. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| So, Jordan, today what we're doing is we are in the present day. | ||
| We're going to be taking a look at November 25th, 2019, which is... | ||
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Christmas? | |
| Yes. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| No, it's Tuesday. | ||
| No, Monday this week. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| My day is mixed up. | ||
| And this is an interesting episode. | ||
| There's a lot that I found very disturbing on this show. | ||
| There's nothing about news. | ||
| Thanksgiving or news? | ||
| There's a slight mention of Thanksgiving. | ||
| Well, it's a family show, of course. | ||
| There's nothing really about news. | ||
| Alex is singularly obsessed with one thing, and it gets very, very out of control. | ||
| And we'll get to that here in a moment, but before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So, first of all, Mike! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you, Mike. | |
| Next, J.D. Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, J.D. Short for Jermaine Dupri. | ||
| Ah, I thought it was the ghost of the brilliant producer, Jay Dizzle. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Or J.D. Riznar. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| None of those people. | ||
| Probably a very cool wonk. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Hank. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Hank. | ||
| Next, Lisa. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Lisa. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Aaron. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Aaron. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate that very much. | ||
| So first, Travis. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Sarah. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Travis and Sarah. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Sarah and Travis. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you think, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| It would be lovely. | ||
| And before we get down to business business, just a little programming note, we are not going to have an episode on Friday. | ||
| We're going to take the end of this week off due to you having a holiday break. | ||
| Jordan being yelled at for a day, yeah. | ||
| It's tough when you do the family Thanksgiving, and that's on a Thursday. | ||
| We generally record on Thursdays, but we'll be back on Monday, so don't get too alarmed if there's not an episode on Friday. | ||
| Just if you're listening to this right now, pause it, and then whenever your family starts talking on Thanksgiving, just pop those earbuds in and you can hear us scream about nonsense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, we start here on the 25th, and Alex does have a tiny thing to say about Thanksgiving, but this is the only thing he has to say about it. | ||
| Well, as we could predict, there is a full-on assault on Thanksgiving and any other pro-America, pro-Western holiday. | ||
| I'm going to look at some of the real history of Thanksgiving coming up later in the hour today. | ||
| He does not. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I don't even want to imagine what his... | ||
| Quote, real history of Thanksgiving. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure it'd be a little bit stilted. | ||
| I heard that and I was like, well, here we go. | ||
| Researching the pilgrims. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| None of that ends up being relevant at all. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Alex is completely obsessed with something else on this episode. | ||
| He doesn't get to it immediately because there is a... | ||
| Native Americans gave themselves smallpox. | ||
| He probably does believe that. | ||
| There is a story out of the UK that Alex believes is evidence that the demon cult of pedophile globalists that is in charge of the world is starting to lose control. | ||
| And because they're losing control, they have to crack down on language. | ||
| And so this story out of the UK is evidence of that. | ||
| And that's why they're now waging absolute... | ||
| Complete war at levels never before seen on language. | ||
| And that's why national television, the censor board in the UK, that's the model for the US, is now saying they're outlawing the word uppity. | ||
| Because somebody thinks it was once used in connotation to black people. | ||
| So that's the level of the control, and I would expect the ADL to call for anyone that uses the word epi to be arrested. | ||
| They always follow suit because it's about a hysterical, total, and complete out-of-control power grab. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay, so can I... | ||
| I propose that we only talk about Thanksgiving, and I assume that he never speaks of this again, right? | ||
| He doesn't speak of Thanksgiving again. | ||
| No, but he speaks of the word. | ||
| No, not this so much. | ||
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Okay, good. | |
| This is just sort of a little bit of a transitional narrative. | ||
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An amuse-bouche. | |
| Gotcha. | ||
| Yeah, amuse-bouche is a great way to put it. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| We're on amuse-bouche of racism. | ||
| We haven't said anything specific yet. | ||
| So this situation here that he's talking about is about a guy named Iman Holmes, who's appearing on the show in the UK called This Morning. | ||
| And he described Meghan Markle's attitude when she didn't want people taking tons of pictures of her at Wimbledon as uppity. | ||
| Oh, that's racist as fuck? | ||
| See, that naturally does have connotations, since the term has been historically used to describe non-white people, particularly black people in America, who didn't know their place in society and dared to act like equals. | ||
| It's the only way that that word can be used. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| There are other connotations of it, but it has largely taken on that connotation. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| It's very possible that Holmes himself was unaware of that historical use of the term, particularly when it's being used to describe a non-white person behaving in ways that you have a problem with. | ||
| But the message is the same regardless, whether or not he intended it to be that way. | ||
| It began being reported that Holmes had been reprimanded, which the network ITV denied. | ||
| And then it started to be reported as the word uppity had been banned from ITV. | ||
| Immediately, the right-wing media went into active mode, because this was a fringe case where potential racism needed their help, and they can't resist that brand of free speech issue. | ||
| In fact, it seems like that's the only kind that really seems to matter all that much to them. | ||
| They do really get... | ||
| Well, I mean, you could almost use a certain word to describe the way that they treat this issue. | ||
| It seems to be like that is the world of free speech that they are uniquely interested in. | ||
| One thing that places like Zero Hedge made a very serious point in stressing is that only one person complained, and it led to the banning of a word. | ||
| That's PC culture run amok, Jordan! | ||
| I noticed this same overemphasis of the one complaint issue in the coverage of the story in RT, but in other articles about this, that wasn't the focus. | ||
| Like in The Express, The Metro, and The Sun, all the stories seem to imply that there was only one complaint to the broadcast regulatory organization Ofcom, but that detail isn't used to minimize the complaint, where it is in these other spheres. | ||
| It's used to drive it even further as like, no, it should have to be a thousand people who complain before they get bothered by it. | ||
| Is that what they're doing? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're just trying to say like, oh, just this one person was butthurt about this. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| It's entirely possible that there were other complaints to the network, but this one to Ofcom is the one that prompted a reaction. | ||
| Also, it's possible that only one person followed through with the filing of a formal complaint. | ||
| Even if that's the case, that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the single complaint is valid. | ||
| In this instance, if there's one person complaining, that one person is absolutely correct. | ||
| The term uppity does have racist connotations, specifically in the way that Holmes was using it. | ||
| As far as I can tell, Holmes doesn't seem to have a history of racially inflammatory commentary, so it's entirely possible that he didn't mean this in the way that it came off sounding. | ||
| And that's probably why he didn't get in trouble for the comments. | ||
| The context was just explained to him so that he could choose better words in the future. | ||
| And the word wasn't banned from ITV. | ||
| A representative for the network was very clear, telling the Express, quote, it is incorrect to state that this is an ITV ban on the word uppity. | ||
| There's no such ban on the word uppity per se. | ||
| Rather, care will be taken regarding the context of its use. | ||
| This is a situation where things played out pretty much exactly how they should have. | ||
| A guy on TV said something that he didn't realize was kind of racist. | ||
| Someone pointed out that what he said was kind of racist. | ||
| And the response was, oh, good point. | ||
| Let's try to be more careful about how we say things in the future. | ||
| And the right wing in the United States apparently can't stand that. | ||
| To the point where they have to manufacture narratives about banned words and shit. | ||
| Alex's version is even crazier. | ||
| He's saying that the word is being outlawed, as if to say you're going to go to jail for saying it. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's really kind of pathetic, this desperation to cling to and defend these remnants of a racist past while pretending it's all just about free speech. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| This is nonsense, man. | ||
| Like, the details of the story aren't real. | ||
| And they have to go, like, the thing is, it's just anything, any small thing that they can find, they will attack on that, just... | ||
| My theory on that is that if they attack on those edge racism situations, then we're all over here looking at these edge bullshits going like, no, you can't. | ||
| It's not that you can't say the word. | ||
| It's that it's always been used in a certain way, and that's why we're just very careful about the context of this word. | ||
| And they turn that into fucking ape shit, and then we still can't get back to like... | ||
| The mortality rate for black people is 10 million times worse. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| I think it's an issue more of that's the only battle they can fight. | ||
| They can't really fight some of the other non-Edge related cases. | ||
| Let's put refugees in cages now. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| This is a First Amendment issue. | ||
| So that's something that I think is interesting and it put this episode into a sort of like, I see where Alex's headspace is here. | ||
| And it got worse. | ||
| It gets so much worse because we now get to what Alex takes most of this episode responding to. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And it's... | ||
| I don't know how to tell you this, but it's Borat. | ||
| When I witnessed the speech given at the... | ||
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I'm sorry, what? | |
| ...National Summit by Sacha Baron Cohen, I knew that every bit of it was written by the Deep State. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| The very sinister forces behind the ADL. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| He called for the arrest of the Big Tech Six, starting with Mark Zuckerberg and his execution. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Did he do that? | ||
| He needs to be punished accordingly for war crimes, which is execution. | ||
| He went on to... | ||
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Or no consequences. | |
| ...that the attempted silencing of Alex Jones... | ||
| Has not been enough. | ||
| He says that it was just the beginning. | ||
| And that all Americans must be silenced under the will of the globalists. | ||
| This isn't some old black and white film footage of Adolf Hitler saying things like that about his enemies. | ||
| This is the ADL. | ||
| We see the exact same scripting under the Southern Poverty Law Center. | ||
| We see the exact same... | ||
| Talking points out of major colleges, out of mainstream media. | ||
| This is a unified front of authoritarian danger. | ||
| So I heard that clip and I was like, I hope he's just talking about this for a minute. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| This goes very far off the rails. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| So, Jordan, I don't know if you saw the video, but last week, Sacha Baron Cohen gave a speech at the ADL's Never Is Now conference. | ||
| It was kind of a very big deal. | ||
| Because for years, Cohen's been a performer that very seldom appears as himself. | ||
| He prefers to exist in public almost entirely as one of his characters. | ||
| Dropping that facade and speaking bluntly makes a bit of a powerful statement on its own. | ||
| But even beyond that, it was a pretty good speech. | ||
| I found it to be pretty well delivered. | ||
| A large part of Cohen's message is about linking his own work to the corrosive effect that social media has had on society. | ||
| Facebook and Twitter are profoundly powerful propaganda tools which are able to lead people to believe in completely insane things, which has led to a mainstreaming of previously fringe conspiracy theories. | ||
| He discusses how, as his Israeli commando character, as part of the show Who is America, he told a guy that attendees of the Women's March were putting out chemicals to turn people trans, and instructed him to plant explosives on three people. | ||
| The man did it and actually pushed the detonation button, which would have killed tons of people if they weren't fake explosives. | ||
| Cohen, I believe rightly, connects this person's willingness to believe the dumb conspiracy that his character presented to him. | ||
| It's a good speech, and honestly, Cohen makes a lot of points that are completely compatible with the goals Alex pretends to hold. | ||
| He's arguing for big tech companies to be responsible for what goes on on their platforms, which Alex professes to want. | ||
| They both don't want these companies to be allowed to hide behind the excuse that they're just a space where anyone can post whatever they want, while their operations appear to be counter to that. | ||
| The primary difference seems to be that Alex wants more unhinged racist conspiracy theories to be posted, and Cohen wants less. | ||
| The prevalence of complete bullshit being passed around as truth online has an effect of normalizing the sort of content Alex puts out, so it's a really important aspect of his business model. | ||
| Without the erosion of objective reality, he's way less able to trick people into believing that his subjective delusional fantasies are real. | ||
| I mean, his subjective delusional fantasy is on display perfectly right there. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| None of what he said makes any sense or is true. | ||
| No, and a lot of it doesn't reflect Cohen's speech at all. | ||
| Like, he didn't call for Zuckerberg's execution. | ||
| And Alex himself was barely even a footnote in the speech. | ||
| Cohen didn't say that everyone needs to be silenced. | ||
| He was specifically talking about tech companies removing content like Holocaust denial because, as Sacha Baron Cohen puts it, quote, that is not some random opinion. | ||
| Those who deny the Holocaust aim to encourage another one. | ||
| Again, I can't help but notice that it seems like every free speech issue Alex decides to get on his soapbox about has nothing or it has to do with attacking someone who says, hey, there's a lot of racism flying around. | ||
| I don't think that's a coincidence. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I know it's nothing new, but it feels particularly overt in this episode. | ||
| It seems like a lot of these free speech protestations that he has are too specifically directed towards people who are pointing out a problem of racist harassment or issues surrounding racist speech. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Just representing The idea of what Sacha Baron Cohen... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's not like a prank guy. | ||
| I couldn't say. | ||
| I'm almost a performance artist in many ways. | ||
| I think it's an immersive satire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's a great way of putting it. | ||
| He probably said that. | ||
| I don't know if I've heard him describe it that way. | ||
| That's just the way it looks to me. | ||
| His character is often a satirized version of something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then people's responses to it are the... | ||
| Then inform the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He talks about that a little bit in his speech, about how in Borat there are scenes that are offensive, that he's doing something offensive, but what comes out of it is the illustration that people are willing to go along with this. | ||
| And that is a shocking thing to see. | ||
| That's the effect of the art. | ||
| The guy doing the racist stuff, which is the Borat character, is satire of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as you were saying, it's far more powerful coming from him because of its infrequence. | ||
| Because he's spending so much time in this character, Alex has to attack him personally just because he popped out. | ||
| He's so used to saying, like, Borat is, why aren't people complaining about Borat? | ||
| He did all of this stuff. | ||
| And now Sacha Baron Cohen, because of his lack of character, is given far more attention. | ||
| I think that's some of it, but I also think that Alex understands that the themes that Cohen was talking about are things that are dangerous to his ability to operate. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| And then secondarily, he does mention Alex in passing. | ||
| In the speech. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He does mention, like, Alex... | ||
| Then I throw out all the stuff I said, and it's purely because he mentioned Alex, so Alex is going to talk about it for six hours. | ||
| I think that's a big part of it, but also thematically, what he's talking about is relevant to Alex's ability to operate, and so that is also a piece of it. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| But, largely speaking... | ||
| Most of what he was talking about was things like Holocaust denial being acceptable on places like Facebook and Twitter. | ||
| You're allowing this. | ||
| You make a choice. | ||
| You can not allow it. | ||
| So anyway, I thought maybe Alex was just going to talk about that a little bit. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| He gets back to it. | ||
| But there's another element to this episode that I saw this and I'm like, man, there's a storm brewing. | ||
| And then I shot a very important seven-minute report that we're going to have reposted to the front page of Infowars.com here in the next few minutes that I hope you will share. | ||
| And then I'll be airing at the bottom of the hour, Zach Voorhees, a major Google whistleblower, probably the biggest yet. | ||
| He's going to be back in studio with new developments in Intel from his sources. | ||
| So, like I said, I just feel like a really overt... | ||
| Really problematic storm is coming. | ||
| So he begins talking about this complete bullshit story out of the UK about the word uppity being banned. | ||
| Primarily to, I guess, argue that it's cool to call non-white people uppity? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Then he gets into this bit of a tizzy about Sacha Baron Cohen's ADL speech, most of which he should agree with, but seems to think is terrible because Cohen's main point has to do with the need to remove things like Holocaust denial from mainstream conversations. | ||
| And now Alex says that he has this Google whistleblower Zach Voorhees coming back on the show. | ||
| That just fits too perfectly. | ||
| Because if you recall, Zach's big cache of documents that he released to Project Veritas were all basically meaningless. | ||
| But in the fallout of him going public, it was revealed that Zach had a track record of posting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on social media. | ||
| On multiple occasions, he posted about how America had a Zog, or Zionist-occupied government, and said, quote, It's very simple. | ||
| Either you go along with the Zionists, or you end up like Andrew Breitbart, which is, of course, to say that there's also a Zom, or Zionist-occupied media. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I assume... | ||
| He's saying that Breitbart was murdered by them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| The Daily Beast reviewed his Twitter account and found that Zach believed that the prevailing concept of free speech really meant, quote, free speech for Jews, not free speech for Goyim. | ||
| He claimed that Jews were using vaccines to attack non-Jews of the world. | ||
| When Alex wants to do the big free speech pageant, and mysteriously only ends up bringing up cases where racist stuff is the subject of possible curtailing, and he lies about the circumstances of each such story, and then has this guy on his show to discuss the issue who believes there's a zog, and that free speech is, quote, free speech for Jews, not free speech for Goyim, you really have to ask yourself what's really going on here. | ||
| This isn't a defense of free speech. | ||
| It's protecting racism and dabbling a little bit into anti-Semitism. | ||
| I think that's all this is. | ||
| Yeah, is Alex, like, is he dipping a toe for the Holocaust denial waters? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| No! | ||
| The show gets a little closer to that than I'd like. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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I'll tell you that. | |
| God damn it. | ||
| I am not thankful for this. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So he starts talking a little bit about Saucer Baron Cohen's point about Zuckerberg. | ||
| I'll explain that on the other end of this clip, but this is so vintage, Alex. | ||
| Arrest the tech heads if they don't fully submit to the ADL and the university combine of leftists that are now openly suing everybody that protects America like myself and others. | ||
| Georgetown University is organized and funding the fake Charlottesville case and many others. | ||
| And their stated goal is to end the First Amendment. | ||
| They're not just going to take your guns. | ||
| They're going to take your speech. | ||
| They're going to take everything until we start refusing to bow down and stop refusing to be slaves to this system. | ||
| One of the biggest things you can do, because we've already enraged the enemy staying on air this long, Is to buy the products. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So he's saying that Sacha Baron Cohen was saying you need to arrest all the tech heads and execute Zuckerberg. | ||
| That's not what he said. | ||
| He's actually... | ||
| Alex will play the clip a little bit later. | ||
| He's saying that Facebook has been involved in facilitating the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. | ||
| We have seen these effects. | ||
| If this happens again, you have to go to jail. | ||
| I believe I'll make this comment again later. | ||
| That is an overly generous position. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| When Alex said he called for their arrest, I expected you to say he didn't call for their arrest and me to be like, yeah, I'm cool with it. | ||
| Name it. | ||
| You don't get to be a billionaire without committing some crimes along the way. | ||
| I believe as I put it in my notes for later, it's like this is kind of Too soft, even. | ||
| Because the way that Sasha Baron Cohen is framing it, it puts the deaths of these Rohingya people into a fool-me-once kind of situation. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| Next time, you're in trouble. | ||
| You should take all of it seriously. | ||
| Next Holocaust, I'm really going to be pissed at you. | ||
| It's trouble. | ||
| But you see there at the end, Alex gets into the... | ||
| The ad pitch. | ||
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| It's a very clear, like, oh, we're going to whip it up, and then just very normal. | ||
| They're taking your ability to say that the Holocaust didn't happen away from you, and the only way we can get your ability to say the Holocaust happened back is if you buy these products. | ||
| Yeah, so in this next clip, we hear a little bit more in Alex's sales pitch, and the only reason... | ||
| That I would play even more of it is because I think there's an indication of some real trouble in here. | ||
| The super giant official Black Friday sales are here. | ||
| 50% off store wide. | ||
| Free shipping. | ||
| Triple Patriot points for the first time ever. | ||
| And a free bottle of Brain Force Plus with DNA Force Plus. | ||
| And a free bottle with X2 or X3. | ||
| Never before done that. | ||
| Biggest sales ever. | ||
| So the new special is basically the same as so many of these other we're selling off the store sales that we've seen in the past. | ||
| But now there's an added bonus. | ||
| For the first time ever, you get triple Patriot points, which I honestly can't imagine means anything to anyone who's on the fence about buying his products, because I don't think anyone's on the fence about buying his products. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Triple Patriot points? | ||
| You know, the devil didn't do it for me, but you triple it. | ||
| Now we're dealing with gold, my friend. | ||
| By this point, you're either in or you're not, and the temptation of building up even more points in a system that you're not even engaged with probably doesn't move the needle at all. | ||
| Different kinds of sales are targeted at different demographics. | ||
| For instance, a giveaway, just a free giveaway, that's intended to specifically increase your customer base. | ||
| You have faith in the thing that you're selling, but you need market awareness, so you give it away for a brief period of time to get the word out there. | ||
| This is a strategy often employed by a lot of booze companies. | ||
| The shop people go around. | ||
| You're like, oh my god, this is great. | ||
| Everyone loves booze. | ||
| It's a strategy to get you to enjoy their thing and then maybe you'll become a customer. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's one tactic that people can use. | ||
| Offering triple Patriot points is the exact opposite. | ||
| That's a special that cannot appeal to new customers, since the incentive to buy is accruing points in a loyalty campaign that they aren't part of. | ||
| This is a strategy that you only employ if the people you're trying to increase sales for are the people who are already customers, which absolutely tracks. | ||
| Yeah, not going to happen. | ||
| At a certain point, though, that strategy can become very dangerous. | ||
| At its baseline, the way Patriot points work is that if you spend a dollar at the InfoWars store, you get five Patriot points. | ||
| If you build up points, you can exchange 500 of them for $5 in store discounts. | ||
| Basically, you get a point for every 20 cents you spend at the store, and then you can redeem them for one cent in discounts. | ||
| That's how it tracks based on if you get it all down to the... | ||
| It's Kohl's cash. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| Under normal circumstances, Alex is accepting losing 5% to incentivize increased purchasing. | ||
| But this can get really hairy when you start adding multipliers to things. | ||
| Because the triple Patriot points, if you do that with triple Patriot points, customers are now getting 15 Patriot points for every dollar they spend, or one point for every six cents. | ||
| If the exchange rate still holds, where 500 points equals $5 in store credit, you now have to spend six cents to make one cent, as opposed to before, where it's 20 cents to make one cent. | ||
| What's that in crooner? | ||
| You can see how these two prospects are pretty different in terms of how much of a loss you're willing to accept in order to increase repeat sales. | ||
| This shit will really cut into margins at a certain level. | ||
| It's just not a good idea from a business perspective. | ||
| Mostly because if someone is going to be inclined to purchase product because of triple Patriot points, they're probably going to be just as swayed by double Patriot points. | ||
| This feels like a really desperate attempt to sell things off to the base that he has left. | ||
| Profit margin be damned. | ||
| Honestly, he could offer 10 times Patriot Points and it probably wouldn't matter if he knows that he's probably going out of business. | ||
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| Rewards programs specifically have no monetary value, so if you go under and all your fans are left with thousands of unused Patriot points, you don't have to pay them back for their imaginary value. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| This might be a good plan for him moving forward. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If he wants to just fleece the last people around, create these absurd sales and just hope they don't cash in before you file. | ||
| Yeah, this does seem like a... | ||
| If they... | ||
| Grab as much revenue as possible as soon as they can. | ||
| Then they can funnel that out into, I guess, Alex's legal defense. | ||
| And then whenever they declare bankruptcy, they don't have to give up anything and they don't have to pay back all the Patriot points and such. | ||
| The strategy that one would be using that looks like this, it does feel like trying to patch up a hole in a ship. | ||
| It feels like you need to squeeze the base. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| It definitely tracks with a lot of the other indications that we've been seeing. | ||
| It's not a long-term business strategy. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, Alex goes to break there, given the Triple Patriot points announcement. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And he comes back, and he's playing that seven-minute ADL Sacha Baron Cohen report that he had mentioned that he had made. | ||
| Is he using the weird Chinese accent the whole time? | ||
| No, he's not doing fentanyl. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But I'll just say this right now. | ||
| My title of this clip is Not Good Stuff. | ||
| Influential Jewish organization in the world. | ||
| The ADL, or Anti-Defamation League. | ||
| has come out and issued a public statement at their main conference calling for the arrest of the big six tech heads if they do not fully turn control of their company's moderation and content over to them. | ||
| This is literal terrorism. | ||
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And maybe fines are not enough. | |
| Maybe it's time... | ||
| To tell Mark Zuckerberg and the CEOs of these companies, you already allowed one foreign power to interfere in our elections. | ||
| You already facilitated one genocide in Myanmar. | ||
| Do it again and you go to jail. | ||
| The ADL then goes further and calls for a purge of everyone who does not... | ||
| Agree with them. | ||
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Insist on facts and purge these lies and conspiracies from their platforms. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, not even Hitler gave speeches this evil and this draconian. | ||
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He just took over and then carried out the evil. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| When Hitler said it's time to exterminate the Juden, no, no, no, no, that's not bad. | ||
| When Sacha Baron Cohen says if you facilitate another genocide, you should go to jail. | ||
| Oh, that's Hitler speak! | ||
| That was the point in the episode where I was like, well... | ||
| We're in trouble. | ||
| We are in deep fucking trouble. | ||
| Yeah, this is no good. | ||
| So he keeps trying to say that the ADL put out this announcement. | ||
| That was a speech that Sacha Baron Cohen gave. | ||
| The ADL. | ||
| The ADL didn't come out and make a statement. | ||
| That was just an event that a keynote speaker had getting an award. | ||
| Alex can argue all he wants that the ADL tacitly agrees with Cohen's comments, but it's a gross mischaracterization to say it's a public statement put out by the ADL. | ||
| He knows what he's doing, and it's called lying. | ||
| Also, like I talked about with the Myanmar Rohingya situation, I think that he's being a little bit too generous. | ||
| But at the same time, I understand why someone wouldn't make this speech and be like, you should be in prison right now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a little inflammatory, even for this circumstance. | ||
| I get why you would phrase it this way, but I disagree. | ||
| I think it should be stronger. | ||
| But the more important point is, what the fuck does Alex think he's talking about this Hitler shit? | ||
| He said, quote, not even Hitler gave speeches this evil and this draconian. | ||
| He just took over and carried out the evil. | ||
| Is that somehow better? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| What the fuck is his point? | ||
| Well, because he didn't give a speech like that. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| It sounds like this is just an attempt to say that the ADL is worse than Hitler. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying, yes. | ||
| Also, for someone who claims to be as much of a history buff as Alex does, what with the 25,000 books on World War II he's read, I would suggest he revisit some of Hitler's speeches. | ||
| I was going to say, when he said Hitler didn't say anything this evil, I was going back through my mind like, ooh, man, he said some more. | ||
| Really evil shit? | ||
| I would hate for Alex to accidentally say that those speeches weren't evil and draconian because he'd just forgotten how evil and draconian they were. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I could come up with plenty of examples of very evil and very draconian things that Hitler said in speeches. | ||
| Things that are far more evil than Sacha Baron Cohen suggesting that tech companies shouldn't platform Holocaust denial. | ||
| And if their platforms are used to carry out genocides, they should probably have some consequences. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's really hard to say that the guy who is saying no more genocides is worse than the guy who said Yes to genocide. | ||
| Well, the underlying thing here is that Alex wants to argue that the ADL is complicit in actively working towards a white genocide, but he knows that it would be way too overt. | ||
| Might be a little tough. | ||
| Yeah, so he wants to use all the rhetoric that surrounds that without actually saying it. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And just being like, they hate conservatives. | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| Yeah, that's the way to do this. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Conservatives who really, really want to say uppity all the time, and those two things are not related. | ||
| So this is kind of a double-pronged situation. | ||
| On the one hand, Alex is trying to demonize the ADL because he's a gigantic bigot, and the ADL is kind of a threat to bigots because they take them seriously. | ||
| But on the other hand, in the process, Alex is whitewashing Adolf Hitler by implying that he wasn't as bad. | ||
| Alex is very, very fucked up, and the most generous reading of that is that he has so little idea of what he's talking about that he's willing to hand-wave Hitler's speeches in order to attack the ADL. | ||
| The least generous reading is that he actually does know what he's talking about, and he thinks Hitler's speeches weren't evil. | ||
| Well, I would say that if you're reading 25,000 books on World War II, let's go with... | ||
| To be clear, I made up that number based on his... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, he said I've read at least... | ||
| I'm going to go with between 40% and 60% of those are Holocaust denial histories. | ||
| In some form. | ||
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| So the special report goes on. | ||
| Multinational corporations working with groups like the ADL have decided to brand any resistance to their takeover as anti-Semitic. | ||
| This is so incredibly dangerous and it's going to blow up in the face of those that are trying it. | ||
| The ADL spokesperson that famously said, throw the Jew down the well so my country can be free. | ||
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Throw the Jew down the well. | |
| Well, I simply say, uphold the Bill of Rights and Constitution. | ||
| So, I think that Alex is starting to realize that more people are taking seriously how deeply rooted in anti-Semitism his worldview is, and that he needs to come up with a good defense for that. | ||
| I didn't predict it would involve him saying that Hitler's speeches weren't evil, but Alex is... | ||
| I'm pretty sure his brilliant strategy for claims that his worldview is deeply anti-Semitic is, I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| We were far from the only people who were previously pointing out that Alex's conception of his villain seems to pull heavily from old-time anti-Semitic tropes, but lately it seems to be more of a public thing. | ||
| For instance, last week we saw Fiona Hill testify in the impeachment inquiry, during which she pointed out that the conspiracies surrounding George Soros are little more than a modern-day update to the protocols of the elders of Zion. | ||
| Which 100% means that she listens to our show. | ||
| That was a forged document specifically designed to spread antipathy towards Jews. | ||
| Alex has nothing to worry about from this sort of talk in terms of his audience. | ||
| They don't care, or probably even support, at least some of them, support that element of Alex's broadcast work. | ||
| But the more and more the rest of the world understands how much Alex's show does fit into the box of this sort of propaganda, the more likely it is that he'll be seen for what he is, instead of some patriot truth-teller. | ||
| And so it makes sense that Alex realizes that he's probably going to be accused of being an anti-Semite a bit in the future. | ||
| So it's probably best to come up with a preemptive defense around that. | ||
| They're just calling everyone who loves America anti-Semitic now. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Cohen's speech at the ADL event, he discusses that sketch he did while he was playing Borat, getting a group of people at a bar to sing along with the song Throw the Jew Down the Well. | ||
| The reason that scene in Borat is so resonant is because it demonstrates how there are places in the country where anti-Semitism is so casually acceptable that no one thinks to speak up when a complete stranger starts singing about how the Jews are the problem in their country and how they take all your money. | ||
| That scene is an actual example of satire. | ||
| Sacha Baron Cohen did something very risky, going on stage at a country music night and singing an explicitly anti-Semitic song to see how people would react. | ||
| And it turns out they reacted by clapping along and singing the chorus. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| This is like Roadhouse, but better! | ||
| Alex can pretend all he wants that this clip he has is like a gotcha moment that proves that Cohen is the real anti-Semite. | ||
| That sort of behavior is so intentionally obtuse, you really have to question the motives behind it. | ||
| I just gotta tell you, nobody understands satire quite as well as Alex does. | ||
| You know, because satire requires like second level order of thinking that Alex specializes in. | ||
| That's his game, man. | ||
| He is all about satire. | ||
| So in this special report, we've seen already... | ||
| Alex saying that this speech that Sacha Baron Cohen is more evil and draconian than Hitler's speeches. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Which is nuts. | ||
| I mean, I don't understand. | ||
| Even if you're a fan of InfoWars, how is it that he can play that clip of like, we saw what happened with the Rohingya in Myanmar. | ||
| If you facilitate another genocide, you're going to jail. | ||
| He didn't play like more. | ||
| Of that clip. | ||
| That's very straightforward. | ||
| Even if you're an InfoWars fan, you've got to be anti-genocide, right, Dan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You've got to be. | ||
| You'd hope. | ||
| But this special report really blows my mind because it's deeply anti-Semitic. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Already. | ||
| Incredibly. | ||
| Are we not done yet? | ||
| No, it gets a bit worse. | ||
| So the ADL's gonna protect us from all these Nazis, and then we learn they're Alex Jones, Donald Trump, Breitbart, Stephen Miller, anybody that doesn't like George Soros that was an actual Nazi collaborator and said it was the best time of his life on 60 Minutes. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| But it's more than just a power grab, it's also about money. | ||
| Because the ADL is already paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year by big tech to run their moderation and the training of their censors. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on there. | ||
| So, of course, Alex there, he pulls out more rank Holocaust revisionism in the form of lying about George Soros' actions during World War II. | ||
| This is no surprise, but I was pretty shocked when Alex followed that up by saying that the ADL is out for power, but they're also out for money. | ||
| Does he not realize the characterization of Jews having no morality past a lust for money is a deeply anti-Semitic trope from history? | ||
| It's almost like he's going out of his way to appeal to tons of anti-Semitic shit in his weird attempt to defend himself from claims that he's anti-Semitic. | ||
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It's weird. | |
| It's wild. | ||
| He's leaning into being an anti-Semite while claiming that... | ||
| This is devil speak that I just can't hang with right now. | ||
| He literally said... | ||
| This is one of the weirdest special reports that I've listened to on his show. | ||
| It's so incongruous. | ||
| Everything just doesn't work together. | ||
| Man, he said the Jews are getting paid a lot of money. | ||
| They're doing this for all the money, and they control moderation, which in other ways basically says the Jews control the media you consume. | ||
| Social media, yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So, the ADL isn't paid millions by big tech to train their sensors, as far as I can tell. | ||
| Alex is referring to a 2017 story he read in Breitbart about the ADL teaming up with Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Microsoft to create the Cyber Hate Problem Solving Lab, a place where issues across platforms that have to do with hate-oriented harassment can be discussed. | ||
| I can see how this would be construed by Alex as the ADL being paid millions to train sensors, but there's no evidence I can find that that's what's going on. | ||
| The ADL wasn't even the only advocacy group that was involved in that project. | ||
| Legitimately, this special report that Alex plays is one of the most fucked up things he's done in a while. | ||
| It's completely misrepresenting Cohen's speech on every level. | ||
| It's a misrepresentation of the content of the speech. | ||
| It's a misrepresentation that it's a public statement from the ADL. | ||
| And even beyond that, Alex's rebuttals to the straw man arguments he's attributing to Cohen are laced with anti-Semitism. | ||
| It's an embarrassment. | ||
| It's very fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like this is the beginning. | ||
| Maybe he pivots one more time, but boy, this is KKK-level kind of shit right here. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And honestly, in a thing where he says... | ||
| They say that we are Nazis, like me and Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, and it's like, yeah, you all say the same Nazi shit! | ||
| Like, this isn't worse than Hitler! | ||
| Well, and the larger irony, too, is that the ADL has said very publicly, don't compare things to the Holocaust. | ||
| Yeah, they're kind of big on that. | ||
| They've made many public statements about not comparing people to Nazis, and... | ||
| Right. | ||
| The concentration camps at the border to concentration camps in the Holocaust. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, they have been the people who aren't doing that. | ||
| They are the people most likely not to call you a Nazi. | ||
| Which is why this is so weird. | ||
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| So, Alex comes back after the special report, and he's seen a trailer for a TV show. | ||
| New Amazon show features white people wearing red mega hats being hunted as Nazis. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Series starts Al Pacino. | ||
| There's numerous similarities to The Hunt, including the name of it. | ||
| Is it called The Hunt? | ||
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Nope. | |
| And that's just so sick. | ||
| And the left says we're calling for violence when they're the, quote, anti-fascist funded by the most famous living fascist who worked directly for Hitler. | ||
| You know him as George Soros. | ||
| You cannot make up the magnitude of that. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| You just did. | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| He's making up that Soros worked for Hitler, not directly for Hitler, like he's his manager. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure that this is straight up defamation. | ||
| You can sue him. | ||
| And he's making up that Soros funds Antifa. | ||
| Like, that's based on those fake contracts you found on 4chan. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| And he's the most famous fascist in the world. | ||
| George Soros, the most famous fascist in the world. | ||
| Soros. | ||
| George Soros. | ||
| Not Xi Jinping. | ||
| Not... | ||
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Mussolini? | |
| Yeah, no, none of those. | ||
| Definitely not Hitler! | ||
| No, he wasn't that evil or draconian. | ||
| So I'm not sure how Alex could... | ||
| He's talking about this show, Hunters, is this new show. | ||
| So I guess Hunters, The Hunters, whatever. | ||
| So I'm not entirely sure how he could see that trailer. | ||
| And come to the conclusion that it's about Jews hunting down Christians, or that it has anything to do with Trump or MAGA hats. | ||
| As to that last part, the show takes place in the 70s, so MAGA hats and Trump being president would be pretty fucking anachronistic. | ||
| To the larger issue, though, which is that Alex sees this show and decides it's about Jews hunting down Christians, that's not the plot. | ||
| It's about a ragtag group of Nazi hunters who are not so much hunting down Christians as much as they are hunting down Nazis. | ||
| Boy, I really feel like Alex connects those two, though. | ||
| You know, like that Christian and the Nazi part? | ||
| He really identifies both of those as being equal. | ||
| We'll get to that in a troubling way in a little bit. | ||
| So, the show just released its first trailer, and I have a few thoughts about it. | ||
| The first is that Al Pacino looks a whole lot like Marc Maron in this show. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Honestly, that's probably my main thought about it. | ||
| Okay, good! | ||
| This right here is just another in a long string of instances where Alex seems to be running damage control for imaginary racists. | ||
| We saw him do this with that other TV show a while back about the time traveler going back to stop a white supremacist bombing, which Alex claimed was about a time traveler trying to stop patriots from fighting globalism. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Here, it's pretty much the same thing. | ||
| He's talking about a show where a rabbi puts together a team of Nazi hunters and he's claiming it's about Jews killing Christians. | ||
| It's really fucked up to see how consistent his identification with the bad guys in media like this is. | ||
| They're not real. | ||
| I don't know for what reason or another, but for some reason, he really didn't like the ending of Inglourious Bastards. | ||
| Now, I don't know what part he didn't like! | ||
| These people are not real. | ||
| I'm sure it's the historical inaccuracy. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| It's bizarre the way he crafts these straw men surrounding these shows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he talks a little bit more about the show here. | ||
| So... | ||
| The Hunt was coming out a few months ago, and it was where the left kidnaps people wearing Make America Great Again hats and takes them out to a farm and hunts them. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Folks knew that was going to cause mass shootings, and so they didn't release the film. | ||
| But now they've released Hunters, where anyone wearing Make America Great Again hats are really secretly Nazis. | ||
| What about the ones who are Nazis? | ||
| And get hunted down and killed by Antifa. | ||
| This show, as best as anyone can tell at this point, there's one trailer for it. | ||
| It has nothing to do with Antifa. | ||
| It has nothing to do with Trump. | ||
| It has everything to do with a reality where tons of actual Nazi Nazis escaped into the United States and they're being hunted down by a group led by a rabbi who's pretty anti-Nazi. | ||
| I just... | ||
| It cannot be said enough. | ||
| These are the type of people who claimed that we are all snowflakes. | ||
| This is the type of person who sees a trailer for an Al Pacino... | ||
| TV series? | ||
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| How long is the trailer? | ||
| A minute 40. Okay, so it took a minute and 40 for him to decide a show that is... | ||
| When is it set? | ||
| 70s. | ||
| Set in the 70s is actually about... | ||
| Him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So there's one shot in the trailer where a guy is holding a red hat to his chest, as one might when they're in prayer, which is apparently enough for this whole show to actually secretly be about hunting down Trump supporters by claiming they're Nazis. | ||
| The red hat is not a Trump hat. | ||
| It has yellow lettering, and it doesn't say Make America Great Again. | ||
| It's just red. | ||
| Other people in the same shot have no hats. | ||
| Another guy has a pork pie hat. | ||
| Also, there's no evidence from the trailer that this guy who has a red hat is one of the targets of the Hunters. | ||
| That's just an assumption that Alex is making. | ||
| There is a red hat in the trailer. | ||
| Ipso facto. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's about Trump. | ||
| Okay, so how about the end of Schindler's List? | ||
| Did he not like the red balloon? | ||
| Is that the part that really got him there? | ||
| Predictive programming for the hats. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So this is just an assumption Alex is making. | ||
| Actually, Alex is just reporting on a Paul Joseph Watson assumption here. | ||
| This is just an outright white identity victimhood taken to a point of self-parody. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson's article on InfoWars legitimately says, quote, The plot of the show appears to bear numerous similarities to Jason Blum's The Hunt, a horror movie that's centered around a group of liberals who hunt down red state conservatives. | ||
| That's not really a good description of the plot of The Hunt. | ||
| It has some relevant points in there, but if I were a middle school teacher and that was the plot description little Paul Joseph Watson turned in for a book report, let's say, I'd probably give him a seat. | ||
| It demonstrates a lack of critical thinking and contextual analysis. | ||
| That said, there's nothing really similar about the plots of Hunt and Hunters. | ||
| Their names are close, and Infowars has turned them both into attacks on Trump and white people, but beyond that, they're very different stories. | ||
| If you're a hammer, everything is a nail. | ||
| If you're a rabid white identity propagandist, all you ever see are attempts to make white people look bad. | ||
| That's all that's going on here. | ||
| This is pathetic. | ||
| So we're dealing with second-degree bullshit here. | ||
| They're not engaging with the Hunters, but they are drawing a connection to the Hunt, which they already have narratives about. | ||
| So then, because it's Hunters, and they know that nobody who is dealing with this shit is going to actually give a shit about the actual show. | ||
| Unless there are huge Al Pacino fans in the Infowars audience. | ||
| I think that's how you write the article, but I think the inspiration for it is there's a red hat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I want to work for them, because that is the easiest job in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so easy. | ||
| You know, when I was doing stand-up, one of the things that made it the most difficult was constantly being like, someday people will find out I'm not funny. | ||
| You know, like that imposter syndrome thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't imagine how difficult that would be if you work at Infowars. | ||
| Like, I don't know how you would tamp that down. | ||
| See, now, I think it's one of those things where... | ||
| It's like how rich people become more sociopathic. | ||
| When you're riding the bus, you're much more close to your fellow man, and then as you get rich, you isolate yourself, and you start to become that kind of psychopath. | ||
| I think the same thing happens when you're in the pitch meeting and you're trying really hard. | ||
| The first couple weeks, you're like, I'm going to really dig down on this story. | ||
| Then after a couple weeks, everybody's like... | ||
| You don't have to do a goddamn thing. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| And then you pick up a nice booze habit. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Everybody in the writer's room is fucking madmening it all day. | ||
| Three whiskey lunches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this guy calls into the show. | ||
| Alex gets a caller now. | ||
| And he has some information about the ADL that Alex should know. | ||
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Oh no! | |
| All right, well, when it comes to the ADL, I think people need to educate themselves on the history of this organization. | ||
| And you can get a pretty good synopsis if you look at the executive intelligence review from 1993 called The Ugly Truth About the ADL. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Yes, the LaRouge Group did a very good analysis. | ||
| Is that what you're talking about? | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| Ooh, hard pass. | ||
| A lot of people say that. | ||
| The LaRouche group did a lot of great analysis on that one. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and not even engage with this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You got a caller calling in saying, hey, you got to educate yourself about the ADL. | ||
| May I refer you to Lyndon LaRouche? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Excuse me, caller. | ||
| Could you please say what you really mean, which is that you just hate the Jews? | ||
| Could you just stop right there? | ||
| So Alex is into it, though. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| So he starts talking a little bit about LaRouche. | ||
| And he has some inaccurate things to say. | ||
| To go back to Casey, you were bringing up from the LaRouche PACs analysis of the ADL. | ||
| And I remember reading that report. | ||
| It was like a big, thick magazine. | ||
| And everything I remember reading of that turned out to be true. | ||
| They locked little LaRouche up because he was a real progressive trying to unify things and trying to have peace with Russia and China and others. | ||
| And, of course, we never got that, did we? | ||
| He just got put in prison for one credit card statement being wrong. | ||
| He's trying to put me in prison right now, too. | ||
| So, you can tell there that Alex is trying to imply that there's some kind of a connection between LaRouche's publication about the ADL and his arrest. | ||
| That's impossible, since the pamphlet came out in 1992, whereas LaRouche was convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud involving more than $30 million, 11 counts of actual mail fraud, and a count of conspiracy to defraud the IRS. | ||
| In December 1988. | ||
| That's why you don't bank with Chase, guys! | ||
| The ADL pamphlet was released while LaRouche was in prison for the things far more serious than one credit card receipt not being right. | ||
| Just as a rule of thumb, I'm going to say this. | ||
| Anyone you hear saying positive things about Lyndon LaRouche in the year of our Lord 2019 is someone you should walk away from. | ||
| They're either members of his cult, or they're just too dumb to recognize what a con man Lyndon LaRouche was. | ||
| And either way, it's a gigantic red flag. | ||
| You do not need to engage. | ||
| Just go, go, go. | ||
| LaRouche is a name that you just pass on. | ||
| No, I'm going to look into what he's... | ||
| You don't need to. | ||
| You don't need to. | ||
| He's LaRouche. | ||
| So Alex talking about this Sacha Baron Cohen speech has really prompted something in his collars. | ||
| Because we get this call from this guy who's like, hey, you should educate yourself about what the LaRouche people had to say about the ADL. | ||
| No, will not. | ||
| Then he gets another caller, and man, this dude. | ||
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Hey, Alex, it's really great to hear that you're talking about these kinds of issues. | |
| I know it's a very hot-button topic, but this really is what it comes down to. | ||
| Groups like the ADL have been using terms like anti-Semite, What? | ||
| That caller accidentally revealed a little bit about himself in that brief sentence. | ||
| He's saying that an anti-Semite used to mean someone who didn't like Jews, but now it's someone the Jews don't like. | ||
| What does he mean by someone the Jews don't like? | ||
| Who are these Jews who are deciding who they like and who they don't like? | ||
| This is some Zog shit here, man. | ||
| I think this guy's been called an anti-Semite recently. | ||
| He might. | ||
| And I heard that and I was like, oh man, that framing of this is so fucked up. | ||
| That indicated to me something really bad. | ||
| But then I was like, you know what, man? | ||
| I might be guilty of the same hammer nail situation. | ||
| I dwell in a lot of worlds of pretty anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that are passed off as anti-communist in nature. | ||
| I was worried that I was maybe unfairly castigating this guy in my mind. | ||
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No! | |
| His opening sentence was, I'm glad you started talking about these issues. | ||
| You know what these issues means to this dude. | ||
| This dude isn't talking about... | ||
| That could be just us being hypersensitive to this stuff. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| Because he goes on and he makes a recommendation for someone Alex should have on the show. | ||
| Hitler. | ||
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It's really, really scary to see what these people are doing. | |
| And there's a guy who's been writing about this for a very long time. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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His name is E. Michael Jones. | |
| And I think that you need to talk to him. | ||
| Well, I know this. | ||
| I don't know who E. Michael Jones is. | ||
| I sent a link to him the other day, like some writer. | ||
| All I know is I just want to promote Freedom Americana. | ||
| So I'm always interested when a caller recommends someone that Alex should have on. | ||
| And to Alex's credit, at least he didn't say, I heard of the guy like him, which he usually does. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| But when they make recommendations, that kind of thing speaks volumes about who Alex's audience thinks he's in line with. | ||
| This caller apparently thinks that Alex is on the same wavelength as E. Michael Jones, which is really fucked up, because that dude is a huge bigot. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Jones is an extremist Catholic speaker who's said some pretty outrageous things in the past few years, a lot of it having to do with how the Jews are behind all the evil in the world. | ||
| For instance, he said in an interview, quote, if you turn away from the Catholic Church, you will end up a slave, a slave to the Jews, either through their pornography or their usury. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That pretty well sums up his perspective. | ||
| It's not some kind of anti-Zionist thing or someone who critiques Israel for their policies. | ||
| This is a guy who literally believes that Jews are intrinsically against the good of the world. | ||
| That is really bad. | ||
| I mean, it's not as bad as like, hey, if you facilitate another Holocaust, we're going to be real mad at you. | ||
| It's not that bad. | ||
| It's not that bad, but that is still bad. | ||
| In the aftermath of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting, Jones said, quote, You have undermined the moral order, and now don't be surprised if people start acting out their aggression towards you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is explicitly saying that those 11 people who were murdered brought their deaths upon themselves for being Jewish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, when you're Jewish, you're immoral. | ||
| And if you're immoral, don't be surprised when people murder you. | ||
| I feel like that makes perfect sense. | ||
| Since 1996, Jones has put out a magazine called Culture Wars, which is pretty much just about how the Jews are bad. | ||
| He's called Jews, quote, outlaws and subversives who use religion as a cover for social revolution. | ||
| He said Judaism has a, quote, particularly malignant spirit. | ||
| He legitimately argued that it's a requirement of being Christian to be anti-Jewish. | ||
| In 2003, he wrote an article for his magazine that blamed the Jews for bringing the Holocaust upon themselves as well as the pogroms. | ||
| Incidentally, E. Michael Jones is a big influence currently on one of Alex's former friends turned outright anti-Semite, Owen Benjamin. | ||
| He's been interviewed by Benjamin a number of times and seems to have played an important role in him going down the path that he's currently on. | ||
| This caller knows exactly who E. Michael Jones is and how much he hates Jewish people. | ||
| He's recommending him to Alex because to anti-Semitic ears, Alex seems like he should be hanging out with this dude. | ||
| They seem to be on the same page. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| Oh man. | ||
| It speaks volumes. | ||
| I do love... | ||
| It's so... | ||
| It's so transparent and just right on that he said that. | ||
| To be a Christian, you have to hate the Jews could not be more obvious. | ||
| Yeah, if you think about that, you also have to hate Christ, dude. | ||
| Are you getting this? | ||
| Are you getting what you are? | ||
| You are... | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| That's this virulent strain of Christianity is hating Christ. | ||
| Fucking awful. | ||
| So, when you look into E. Michael Jones, you see these sorts of things where, like, after this synagogue shooting, he's saying that the Jews brought this upon themselves. | ||
| He's saying that they brought the Holocaust and the pogroms upon themselves. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is a great thing to say. | ||
| And you kind of hear a little bit of Alex threatening in this clip. | ||
| Sort of similar things. | ||
| It's craziness. | ||
| It's crazy megalomania by the ADL. | ||
| And it's not going to end well. | ||
| It needs to stop right now. | ||
| Because I'm not scared of the ADL. | ||
| I'm scared for the ADL. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| Because this is extremely dangerous. | ||
| When push comes to shove, ladies and gentlemen, America's not going to roll over like 1917 Russia to take it in the case. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So in many ways, what he's expressing there is that the ADL is going to bring on whatever backlash they have, which is obviously some sort of a code for... | ||
| An attack by patriots. | ||
| I am so scared for the ADL because if they keep asking my friends not to be all anti-Semitic, my friends are going to start killing them. | ||
| And that's not my fault. | ||
| That's their fault. | ||
| They did that. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a very similar mentality and speaks, again, volumes as to why someone would think he should be hanging out with E. Michael Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex says in this next clip that the ADL hates Stephen Miller because he's Jewish and he loves America. | ||
| And then they're in the New York Times that very day saying purge Stephen Miller. | ||
| He's a white supremacist. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| He's a conservative Jewish guy that loves America and is trying to unify us around America. | ||
| So, it really is like the ADL really goes after Prager and Miller, Jews that don't, I guess, nationalists or right-wing Jews, great people. | ||
| I think they're going after him because he's a white supremacist. | ||
| Nothing unites people quite like building a giant wall between them. | ||
| Very united. | ||
| He's a uniter, Dan! | ||
| That's real fucking absurd talk. | ||
| So now Alex has Zach Voorhees on the show, the Google whistleblower who believes in a Zog. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| When you're having this kind of a show, it's just like you're having this guy on. | ||
| It's really fucked up. | ||
| It is so weird to me that we are dealing with 100-year-old Russian propaganda and present-day propaganda. | ||
| Mixing together at the same time. | ||
| You know, that protocols of the elders of Zion still being around while at the same time all of this noob shit is being pushed out. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| They're good at propaganda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Zach thinks it's absurd for anyone to believe that there are neo-Nazis. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I know that he says it. | ||
| And then he tries to explain why it's absurd. | ||
| Yeah, let's hear this. | ||
| And his argument is bad, but it's even worse because he's on Infowars. | ||
| You know, they're saying that there's a bunch of neo-Nazis in America and that they're about to rise up. | ||
| Like, let me just paint about how ridiculous this is. | ||
| Think if Putin was saying we need to stop the neo-Confederate movement in Russia. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, you think Russia might be, you know, taken over by neo-Confederates? | ||
| And this is what they're trying to say in America, is that we're going to be taken over by neo-Nazis, that a German political party a century ago is on the verge of taking over America. | ||
| And it's just like... | ||
| So, that's a huge slip-up on Zach's part. | ||
| He's trying to say that it would be absurd to say the Confederacy would take a foothold in Russia in the same way it would be absurd for the Nazis to take a foothold in the United States. | ||
| One problem is that the Confederacy was not really an international thing, whereas Nazism involved a world war as opposed to a civil one, which is a little different. | ||
| But the bigger reason this is a fuck-up is because he's on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Alex's entire grand conspiracy involves the same globalists who ran communism and overthrew the Tsar and Russia and installed Hitler and did literally everything through history. | ||
| They were the Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt. | ||
| They are now in power in the United States. | ||
| For Zach to mock the idea that a centuries-old group could possibly be relevant at present day is to mock Alex's entire worldview. | ||
| This show... | ||
| It's very pathetic and often self-contradictory, mostly because they're all just making this shit up based on their feelings of aggrievement. | ||
| Also, Zach believes that the U.S. has a Zionist-occupied government, which seems relevant to this conversation, but weirdly never comes up. | ||
| I don't understand why. | ||
| Strange that Alex wouldn't ask about that. | ||
| Also, imagine if when the Confederacy lost and they were just kicked out and a lot of them went to Russia and became a political party, then yes. | ||
| A neo-confederate movement could absolutely take over Russia. | ||
| It's an ideology more than... | ||
| During our civil war, there were a big confederacy. | ||
| Yeah, other countries got involved. | ||
| Like little bunnies. | ||
| Russia joined the confederacy in order to fight back against whomever. | ||
| The difference between 1860 and 1920 is pretty big in terms of international connectedness. | ||
| So, like, the possibility that in other circumstances that could have happened, that there could have been... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It does seem conceivable on some level. | ||
| Yeah, a bunch of slave owners took their slaves to Russia and being rich as shit started doing the whole thing. | ||
| Of course it could happen. | ||
| It's not as laughable as he's trying to make it sound. | ||
| No, it sounds very reasonable and terrifying. | ||
| But I do think that the bigger issue is that what he's describing as being absurd is literally what Alex believes. | ||
| Good job, Voorhees. | ||
| Also, his comparison of Nazis being equivalent to Confederates kind of makes a lot of sense now, doesn't it? | ||
| Well, Alex's parents fought for the Confederacy. | ||
| Yeah, and now he's a Nazi. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| Well, that's not true. | ||
| Alex says that the ADL are Nazis. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Sacha Baron Cohen up there reading off the teleprompter and it says behind him, you know, never is now. | ||
| So never again. | ||
| They're saying the Holocaust is now, yeah, of American rights at the hands of the ADL. | ||
| Yes, it's true. | ||
| You're the Nazis. | ||
| I'm the Jew. | ||
| Leave me the hell alone, you crazy people. | ||
| Oof, man. | ||
| That even rhymes with I'm rubber, you're glue. | ||
| Rubber, you're glue. | ||
| You're the Nazi. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| It is equally childish. | ||
| You could get a sense there that Alex is really freaking out. | ||
| He got pretty mad once Zach comes into studio. | ||
| He has someone else to bounce off of. | ||
| I think I brought this up the last time that Zach was on. | ||
| The two of them don't have good chemistry. | ||
| There is a real lack of... | ||
| Not ready for prime time. | ||
| I'm going to put a lot on Zach. | ||
| He's not very smart. | ||
| He's not very quick. | ||
| And maybe socially he is. | ||
| Maybe having a conversation privately he could bring a little bit more to the table. | ||
| Put people under the lights. | ||
| He's not good on camera and on mic. | ||
| And so the two of them, it's tough. | ||
| And so when Alex is already in this state where he's really mad about Sacha Baron Cohen doing the speech at the ADL, he's had these callers call Yeah. | ||
| into yelling about how he's the Jew in this equation and they're Hitler. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| It's disturbing. | ||
| So far on the show, we've had a total of four white men bitch about being under attack by the Jews? | ||
| More or less. | ||
| So earlier, Alex said that he isn't scared of the ADL. | ||
| He's scared for them. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And that always troubles me a little bit. | ||
| What could happen to your ADL? | ||
| I'm not saying something. | ||
| I'm just saying that if you keep talking like that, there's probably a word that we've used that's been associated with another race for a while. | ||
| I can't remember what word it is. | ||
| Maybe we talked about it earlier in the day. | ||
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But the ADL is getting that word. | |
| He gets a little bit worse in this next clip. | ||
| What's happening is the ADL's been sitting back with the Southern Property Law Center on the left and seeing what they can get away with. | ||
| And they've gotten away with so much and all this bullying that they think they can now say we're going to arrest everybody. | ||
| And I'm just sorry. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Well, you know what the next move is. | ||
| They're going to false flag themselves. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's their game plan. | ||
| That's the game plan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't want me on air when it happens. | ||
| I just can't believe it. | ||
| I just cannot believe that the country's come to this. | ||
| So we know that largely, a lot of the ways that Alex deploys false flag narratives are to mask and apologize for terrorism that's related to people in his community. | ||
| The militia community, the white supremacist, white nationalist community. | ||
| The neo-Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To deny that there are ever any acts of violence that are carried out by people in those communities, he makes them false flags. | ||
| When Alex says something like, you know the next step, they're going to false flag themselves. | ||
| What I hear is Alex believes... | ||
| That someone is about to attack them. | ||
| See, I never know, because he's done that a few times, where it's like, I swear to God, I don't know if he's getting a text. | ||
| No, I don't think that. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| I think that would be crazy conspiratorial. | ||
| There's a part of me that's like, he and, you know, Oath Keepers are hanging around, and he's just overhearing some conversations, man. | ||
| I think Alex is plugged into those communities, maybe, and he gets a lot of information from them. | ||
| In terms of just blog posts and shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| I think that it more just might be a situation where he has an instinctual ability to read the tea leaves a little bit and be like, well, violence is very possible from the rhetoric that's being put out, and I'm going to have to defend it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Better get started now. | ||
| Yeah, and if it doesn't happen, then it doesn't really matter. | ||
| But if you've laid this track ahead of time, let's say someone blows up the ADL headquarters, you'd be like, of course it did. | ||
| They're just trying to make themselves the victim so they can take out the Patriots. | ||
| You do this sort of thing preemptively in case. | ||
| And I think that Alex, that's one possibility. | ||
| I do think that Alex thinks like that to an extent. | ||
| But there's also the possibility that he's just talking shit. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm never sure. | ||
| You can get in your head, like, this guy is overhearing conversations or getting a text from his buddies or whatever, and he's like, I know something's coming. | ||
| They didn't share the details because I'm supposed to not know that information, but somebody's planning something. | ||
| I have to push back. | ||
| I know you're not saying that's the case, but I have to push back just in case anyone takes away. | ||
| Legitimate possibility. | ||
| I don't think that's a legitimate possibility. | ||
| I think the only two options are Alex talking shit, which is very possible, or him having a sense that the climate is right in terms of the way people's mood is. | ||
| We're coming up on a really highly tense time with the election season coming. | ||
| You have QAnon is back now. | ||
| What? | ||
| How? | ||
| I don't know if that's even... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You see posts like, hey, someone's posting again. | ||
| You've got Red Ice just got kicked off Facebook. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| Good. | ||
| There are these things that are things that will increase tensions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the worst that I would say... | ||
| Alex views it as a just-in-case situation. | ||
| I'm absolutely not saying that the conspiracy theory is the case, but it's hard not to think it, at least for a little bit. | ||
| So, Alex, in this next clip, says that the ADL is going to turn a lot of people into Nazis. | ||
| That is crazy town! | ||
| And it's going to have the byproduct of making a bunch of people turn into what the ADL is saying they are. | ||
| That's what the ADL wants, because then when there's pushback to Jews in general, all that money will flood into the ADL. | ||
| The ADL is setting Jews up for persecution, just like they did in World War II. | ||
| They worked with Hitler. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| We got an ADL worked with Hitler on this one. | ||
| I would ask Alex to prove that claim because that would be something I'd like to see him demonstrate instead of just claim as he's rushing out to break because he knows that he can just reset when he comes back from commercial and never has to demonstrate any of his fucking claims. | ||
| All I can do is really sit back and think, huh, seems like a lot of the Jewish people that Alex disagrees with politically happen to secretly have worked with Hitler in World War II. | ||
| Tends to. | ||
| It's weird how consistent that is. | ||
| I do have a little bit of a tip of the cap for anybody who out-and-out defames the Anti-Defamation League. | ||
| You're really locking heads, locking horns. | ||
| Swinging for the fences. | ||
| Really going for it. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we learn that Zack thinks that Epstein is still alive. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And the thing is, is that he didn't kill himself. | ||
| He was either killed or he was transferred out of prison. | ||
| And I think that he's probably living in some island right now. | ||
| Well, that's what Pchenik said. | ||
| Pchenik really did run major black op operations. | ||
| I mean, that overthrowing governments and stuff. | ||
| He says he's alive. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And Pchenik's Jewish, so... | ||
| You can't... | ||
| That song is back. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's very jarring. | ||
| It is. | ||
| So yeah, Zach thinks that Epstein's still alive. | ||
| Alex is like, yeah, that's what Steve Pachanek, the guy who's lied to me for years, says. | ||
| Who I know lied to me. | ||
| I just want to revisit that. | ||
| I hate that argument of like... | ||
| If they keep calling us Nazis, people who weren't Nazis are going to become Nazis. | ||
| If that were true, Obama would be a fucking socialist right now. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| There's a lot of examples of people who don't turn into the things you call them. | ||
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Almost all of them are examples of that. | |
| And in fact, the people who are most likely to say that they'll be turned into Nazis? | ||
| Really already there. | ||
| So Zach believes that the ADL is an extortion racket. | ||
| Okay, of course. | ||
| Which again... | ||
| The Jews are extorting Christians? | ||
| I've never heard anybody... | ||
| And his defense of that, or his explanation for it, is a really absurd rewriting of a recent event. | ||
| I mean, it's an extortion racket. | ||
| Like, the ADL comes to you and says, hey, we're writing some bad stuff. | ||
| Do you want this to go away? | ||
| How about you make a donation to our organization? | ||
| Like, that happened with YouTube's largest video producer, PewDiePie. | ||
| And he ended up capitulating and then saying, I'm going to donate $50,000 to the ADL. | ||
| But something amazing happened when that happened. | ||
| The whole internet said, why? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| And it was such a commotion because now it's known that the ADL is this slandering operation that PewDiePie did the amazing step of retracting his $50,000. | ||
| I saw that, but then I was watching one of his videos and he's like, and didn't the ADL try to help? | ||
| It was the whole one about which one of these hate symbols has been banned. | ||
| The answer is all three. | ||
| Imagine being the ADL, though, where you don't actually go after real Nazis. | ||
| You go around terrorizing people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and trying to extort them for money. | ||
| Let's go to a phone call here. | ||
| The way he laughs at the end there is really troubling. | ||
| But he's also not being honest about the PewDiePie situation. | ||
| I don't believe that the ADL was like, hey, we'll stop if you give us money, which is a bizarre notion. | ||
| Then the entire internet did not get up in arms about PewDiePie making a donation to the ADL. | ||
| No. | ||
| Neo-Nazis. | ||
| And white supremacists. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| It couldn't have been neo-Nazis. | ||
| They don't exist. | ||
| Obviously, they don't exist. | ||
| Neo-Confederates. | ||
| It was just people. | ||
| It was just good God-fearing folk who, for some reason, decided that a video game streamer saying anti-Semitic things is a hill worth dying on. | ||
| There was a bigot backlash that happened. | ||
| And that's what happened. | ||
| He's... | ||
| Completely mischaracterizing very important elements of this story that are really... | ||
| The capitulation was PewDiePie capitulating to the bigot audience. | ||
| It's amazing how they can turn a guy deciding to make a public donation as an apology. | ||
| I don't know if there's an apology, maybe an overture. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't give him too much credit for it. | ||
| Him making that decision on his own... | ||
| Is capitulation. | ||
| Whereas him being screamed at by thousands of online neo-Nazis is him doing something amazing and retracting a donation. | ||
| Real sensible stuff from Zach who believes in a Zog. | ||
| Is he really good at something? | ||
| Probably a good engineer. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| He's got to be good at something because this guy is dumb. | ||
| I have not seen his work. | ||
| So we're done with the content of this episode. | ||
| It's insanely... | ||
| It's very difficult for me because on the one hand, I recognize that the ADL is not the same thing as Jewish people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So when Alex is really mad at the ADL, I don't want to say that that is directly anti-Semitic. | ||
| And it could be very easily... | ||
| Construed that that's the response that I'm having. | ||
| And I want to clarify that I don't believe that. | ||
| There are many criticisms that you can have of both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL. | ||
| You can have criticisms of all of them. | ||
| And I would not say that it's intrinsically anti-Semitic or even to disagree with the ADL or bigoted to disagree with the SPLC. | ||
| There are fine ways to do that. | ||
| My response to this and the way that this Carried out is that Alex is using very much anti-Semitic ideas to lash out at the ADL. | ||
| And the thing that he's responding to that they're doing has nothing to do with or it has to do with tamping down on things that are anti-Semitic in his content and in other people's content vis-a-vis Holocaust deniers, like outright Holocaust deniers. | ||
| So when you respond to things like, hey, This isn't an opinion. | ||
| This is propaganda that is meant to normalize, mainstream, take the teeth out of the history of a genocide. | ||
| You shouldn't allow that on your platform, Facebook. | ||
| That's not the government censoring. | ||
| That is not against the First Amendment. | ||
| You have a choice in the matter. | ||
| When you respond to something like that with this is worse than Hitler's speeches, that is not responding to the ADL. | ||
| That is an expression of anti-Semitism. | ||
| I was going to say, we are not talking about... | ||
| He is using ADL. | ||
| We are not talking about the ADL. | ||
| No. | ||
| You and I, and he knows, and Zach knows, and his callers know, the ADL, it could be anybody. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's the ADL. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's the SPLC. | ||
| We know what they're really mad at the moment you say it's worse than Hitler. | ||
| Well, and the thing... | ||
| The reason I want to make that clarification is because I think it would be easy to hear this episode and get the impression that we are treating it with the same A means B. Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I'm not. | ||
| And then secondarily, you have to look at the way that Alex's audience responds to his discussion of the ADL. | ||
| You come in with, you know, like, LaRouche. | ||
| Publications about the ADL, and you're like, well, that's not good. | ||
| You get another caller who's like, hey, you should talk to E. Michael Jones. | ||
| You have the audience very clearly understanding that, okay, he's going in this direction. | ||
| Let's blow his mind with... | ||
| Real, hardcore anti-Semitism. | ||
| Somebody called it the LaRouche pack, which obviously was second only to the Rat Pack in quality, I assume. | ||
| And fun. | ||
| So, when I hear all this stuff, I'm left with a real troubling feeling. | ||
| Because this is an almost entire episode long breakdown about Feelings of being accused of being anti-Semitic, responding with some pretty anti-Semitic stuff. | ||
| Well, that's because they called him anti-Semitic. | ||
| It turned him into an anti-Semitic. | ||
| And then the sort of repetition of something's going to happen to them. | ||
| That is not... | ||
| It just really doesn't make me feel good. | ||
| So we end with one last clip. | ||
| I think my biggest issue is this is maybe the most... | ||
| In terms of what I've heard recently, this is the most, it's just us in the room, I think I've heard it. | ||
| Because this is really... | ||
| There's still a bit of linguistic distance. | ||
| There's still a little bit of code. | ||
| For sure, but it's very... | ||
| Man, when you're talking about a Sacha Baron Cohen speech at an ADL event, and you say that Hitler's speeches weren't this evil, you're... | ||
| I mean, I can't look at that as anything other than, like, are you trolling here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're saying that seriously, then you need to read some speeches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want him to read those speeches. | ||
| I don't want him to get any ideas on what to say next. | ||
| So we'll leave with one last clip, and Alex gets another caller a little bit later in the show. | ||
| And he wants to give an ad for Turbo Force. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think that this guy's ad for Turbo Force sounds very similar to the way that Robert Barnes wanted to sell it. | ||
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Before I go ahead and talk about the topic on hand, I've got to talk about one of your products. | |
| A little bit about me. | ||
| I'm 245 pounds. | ||
| I work about 10 to 13 hours a day at UPS. | ||
| And to make a long story short, I used to have a problem with Adderall. | ||
| I do have ADHD, but, you know, I was taking Adderall for its energy-boosting properties. | ||
| You know, I kind of got a little out of hand, and, you know, I listen to you religiously in my truck every day. | ||
| So I tried your TurboForce, and really, it's a cliche, this product changed my life, but TurboForce really changed my life. | ||
| Needless to say, I no longer take Adderall. | ||
| So his testimonial for Turbo Force is, hey, man, this is so much better than abusing Adderall as if it were speed. | ||
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Robert Barnes was talking about the illegal stimulants that he was using in college. | |
| He was like, it's very similar to using those illegal stimulants. | ||
| I'm really, really starting to think somebody should test what's actually in Turbo Force, right? | ||
| I like it better that this is just a thing that keeps popping up. | ||
| I had a problem with speed, and hey, man, your product's great. | ||
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Why? | |
| I used to do Coke every day and now I just snort TurboForce because it's completely different! | ||
| Hey man, TurboForce is great for when I go to these late night parties and everyone wants to talk about ideas. | ||
| That's not a good ad. | ||
| Sometimes I'll take an eight ball of TurboForce and some heroin and we'll just go all and have a good day. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| Not a good sales pitch. | ||
| No. | ||
| So we come to the end of this and I feel gross. | ||
| I don't feel good. | ||
| Yeah, this is bad. | ||
| I worry about what the future holds for Alex. | ||
| If he's teasing around these sorts of ideas, it doesn't get better. | ||
| It doesn't get good from here. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, I hope everyone has a nice rest of the week and the weekend. | ||
| We'll be back on Monday. | ||
| Enjoy your turkey day. | ||
| And for our international audience, do whatever you need to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Celebrate indigenous people wherever you are. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Please. | ||
| But we'll be back. | ||
| Until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Now go to bed, Jordan. | ||
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| We are on Facebook. | ||
| And if you want to download the show, go to iTunes, leave a review, etc. | ||
| Share it. | ||
| You know the game. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am quadruple patriot points. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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