Knowledge Fight - #364: April 21-22, 2013
Aired: 2019-11-04
Duration: 02:25:05


=== Policy Wonk's Tattoo (06:48) ===

[00:00:16]  Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
[00:00:19]  Knowledgeparty.com.
[00:00:20]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang, we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  Need fight.
[00:00:35]  Need money.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Candy.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding it.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish pin color.
[00:00:51]  I was here today and I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Indeed, we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan!
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  When was the last time you got a kick-ass tattoo, Dan?
[00:01:11]  Just this morning.
[00:01:13]  What?
[00:01:13]  Hey, at long last.
[00:01:15]  At long last.
[00:01:16]  We had as our one of our sort of push goals, I guess, on our Patreon.
[00:01:22]  Yeah.
[00:01:23]  That I would get a show tattoo.
[00:01:25]  And it is done.
[00:01:26]  It is.
[00:01:26]  I went this morning to shop here in Chicago.
[00:01:30]  I had been trying to get it for a while, and I'm sorry there was a bit of a delay, but I really wanted my brother to design it, and he's a very busy guy.
[00:01:37]  And so getting the actual design together took a little longer than expected.
[00:01:42]  And then I'd gone to a couple places here in Chicago that I just didn't feel comfortable when I went in.
[00:01:48]  Nothing against them.
[00:01:49]  I'm sure they're fine joints, but I just didn't.
[00:01:53]  I got a feeling of like, eh, I'd rather feel totally comfortable when I go through with this.
[00:01:57]  Yeah, there was a fun little text exchange that you had while you were in the tattoo parlor, and the guy is making the stencil, and you're texting me just like, I don't know if this is good.
[00:02:08]  I don't know if I like this.
[00:02:09]  I don't think I trust this guy.
[00:02:10]  That's not what it's supposed to look like.
[00:02:11]  He's freehanding it.
[00:02:13]  Yeah, that was a weird one.
[00:02:14]  I was like, here's the design.
[00:02:16]  Here is a picture of an apple.
[00:02:18]  So we'll post a picture of that on our Facebook group so people can enjoy.
[00:02:22]  And thank you to everybody who donated to the show and helped us get to the point where we were.
[00:02:29]  Yeah, all of our Patreon goals are going to be weird ass tattoos based off the show eventually.
[00:02:33]  I'm going to become the illustrated man.
[00:02:35]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:02:36]  But just stupid Alex Jones references.
[00:02:39]  Dan's body will be the illuminated manuscript that explains propaganda in the future.
[00:02:44]  And for those of you who aren't on Facebook and can't end up seeing this picture, it's an apple with a bite out of it, a glass of whiskey, and life is very fragile.
[00:02:51]  Oh, yeah.
[00:02:51]  So a reference to his drunk hotel interview with Patrick Bette David.
[00:02:55]  One of the great days of our end everyone's lives.
[00:02:58]  Indeed.
[00:02:58]  Yes.
[00:02:59]  So in honor of that, and it's in that same spirit of thanking folks who facilitated and pushed my back into a corner where I have to get a dump tattoo.
[00:03:09]  Forever.
[00:03:09]  Yeah.
[00:03:10]  I'd like to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:03:13]  So first of all, Riley, thank you so much.
[00:03:15]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:17]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:18]  Thank you, Riley.
[00:03:18]  Click Riley.
[00:03:19]  Next, Hal.
[00:03:20]  Thank you so much.
[00:03:21]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:22]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:23]  Thank you, Hal.
[00:03:24]  Thank you, Hal.
[00:03:24]  I believe that'll Hal1, not 9,000.
[00:03:28]  Right.
[00:03:28]  How many HALs are there?
[00:03:29]  There are apparently at least 9,000.
[00:03:31]  Okay, fair enough.
[00:03:32]  Next, Chris C. Thank you so much.
[00:03:34]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:36]  I get Chris C. Chris C, the C stands for conspiracy.
[00:03:39]  It does.
[00:03:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:40]  There we go.
[00:03:41]  Next, Chris K. Thank you so much.
[00:03:43]  Damn it.
[00:03:44]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:45]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:46]  The K also stands for conspiracy.
[00:03:47]  Yeah, naturally.
[00:03:48]  Apparently, the way we get donations is just pick a name and then everybody with that name will donate.
[00:03:54]  Yeah, seems to be working with Chris's.
[00:03:56]  That works.
[00:03:57]  Next, Patrick, thank you so much.
[00:03:58]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:59]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:00]  Thank you, Patrick.
[00:04:01]  Next, Molly.
[00:04:02]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:03]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:04]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:05]  Thank you, Molly.
[00:04:06]  Thank you, Molly.
[00:04:06]  Next, Untold Aspect.
[00:04:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:11]  Thank you.
[00:04:12]  Untold aspects.
[00:04:13]  And then this last one, I'm not sure if it's Mad Coop or Mad Co-op.
[00:04:17]  Oh, okay.
[00:04:18]  I'm not entirely sure, but whichever it is.
[00:04:20]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:20]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:22]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:23]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:23]  Thank you, Mad Coop.
[00:04:24]  Or co-op.
[00:04:25]  That'd be like the Mad Hatter, but it's a guy who makes barrels.
[00:04:28]  Or the Mad Cooper.
[00:04:30]  Or the Mad Cooperative.
[00:04:31]  Right, right.
[00:04:32]  Bunch of people working together.
[00:04:35]  It's a great grocery store, though.
[00:04:37]  So, Jordan, today, one of the things I wanted to do is also, I feel like in the spirit of tying up loose ends, I'm very bad at taking care of business that's outside of just doing this show.
[00:04:47]  Right.
[00:04:47]  So, one of the things was getting his tattoo squared away.
[00:04:50]  Get it taken care of.
[00:04:50]  Loose end.
[00:04:51]  Tied off.
[00:04:51]  Check that off.
[00:04:52]  Get it out of here.
[00:04:53]  And then something else I've been meaning to do, and I have been just terrible with, is I promised that we would have a special drop for the creator of our theme song, DJ Danarchy.
[00:05:03]  Thank you.
[00:05:04]  And we appreciate him so very much.
[00:05:06]  Like, this is just the best.
[00:05:08]  This theme song, rave reviews across the board from everybody.
[00:05:11]  Incredible.
[00:05:12]  And it's shameful that it's taken me this long.
[00:05:15]  But one of the things, I'm very bad at this stuff, organization and forgetting.
[00:05:19]  Like, I always mean to like, all right, I'm going to get this drop together.
[00:05:22]  Right, right, right.
[00:05:23]  And I just, I just never do, but I sat down and I said, we're taking care of it today.
[00:05:27]  So here is a special drop to thank you, DJ Danarchy.
[00:05:31]  I am now bestowing upon you the title of Leo Young of the podcast.
[00:05:37]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:38]  I love dolphins.
[00:05:39]  I love tigers.
[00:05:41]  I love elephants.
[00:05:42]  They're magic creatures.
[00:05:43]  Soon, I'm going to take my shirt off, folks.
[00:05:45]  They call me the meme machine.
[00:05:47]  I'm going to sneak off and piss on some tree or something.
[00:05:50]  I got me a rock and roll band.
[00:05:52]  It's free-for-all.
[00:05:53]  I have ordered a Hitler uniform.
[00:05:55]  You got that, you goddamn son of a bitch.
[00:05:57]  Fill your hand.
[00:05:58]  There's three ways to learn, or maybe four, but this is what they teach is ignorance.
[00:06:08]  So thank you so much, DJ Dan Arkey, the official Leo Young of the podcast.
[00:06:14]  Absolutely.
[00:06:15]  Ah, that's fantastic.
[00:06:16]  Yes, incredible.
[00:06:17]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:18]  So, Jordan, today what we're doing is we're going back to the past.
[00:06:21]  We're in 2013.
[00:06:22]  We will be talking about April 21st and 22nd of 2013.
[00:06:28]  Okay.
[00:06:29]  This is, of course, in the aftermath of the Boston bombing.
[00:06:33]  Naturally.
[00:06:33]  And we will be sort of tracking the course of Alex's terrible coverage of this traumatic event.
[00:06:40]  I think he's been doing okay so far.
[00:06:42]  Okay.
[00:06:43]  That's an interesting take.
[00:06:45]  Directly counter to my position.
[00:06:47]  Okay, I think.
[00:06:47]  has been doing literally the worst job possible.

=== Halcyon Days Lost (15:16) ===

[00:06:50]  I think if you asked me, what could he, like, what are What way could he ruin it further?
[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:56]  What are you going to do?
[00:06:57]  The opposite of like what are like what are the bright spots?
[00:07:03]  I would look at you very confused.
[00:07:05]  I don't know if there are any bright spots.
[00:07:07]  So here we are, Jordan.
[00:07:08]  When we last left Alex in 2013, he was coming down from the high he was writing when there was a complete absence of real information about the investigation into the Boston bombing, and he was free to create his own narrative wholesale.
[00:07:20]  After the Watertown shootout on the night of April 18th into the morning of April 19th, which left Tamerlin dead and his brother Johar armed and on the loose, Alex's show on the 19th was a completely bizarre affair.
[00:07:33]  Up to that point, he'd been insisting that the globalists had planned to blame a white patsy he'd discovered by looking at pictures that he found on 4chan.
[00:07:40]  But because Alex released those photos, the globalists were forced to change their plans.
[00:07:45]  Then, after the FBI released the images of the Sarnev brothers, Alex pivoted the narrative, since all the stuff he'd been yelling about for days had literally no relation to anything happening in the real world.
[00:07:55]  Now the globalist plan all along had been to blame the imaginary Navy SEALs Alex also decided were there at the marathon based on his analysis, again, of pictures he found on 4chan.
[00:08:06]  And since Alex also somehow blew up that plan that the globalists had, they were putting Boston into a state of martial law so they could go around and kill all the Patsies who were in the pictures that, again, Alex found on 4chan, so they could, these people that they were cleaning up couldn't reveal that it was all the drill.
[00:08:24]  Yes, all of this has been confirmed as true so far.
[00:08:26]  And that was what he was selling on the 19th.
[00:08:28]  And magically, just like that, Alex has created a preemptive excuse for why no one has ever come out and confirmed his dumb theories.
[00:08:35]  The globalists took them all out.
[00:08:37]  As we've discussed already, those men in the pictures that Alex found on 4chan that he thinks are SEALs are actually members of a couple of different states' National Guard civil support teams who are on scene at all large-scale public events, ranging from one of the largest marathons in the world all the way down to just MLB games.
[00:08:54]  If you wanted to put the effort in...
[00:08:56]  Whoa, MLB games are at the bottom of this list?
[00:08:58]  It's a smaller scale maybe than the Boston Marathon.
[00:09:02]  All right.
[00:09:03]  I don't mean to insult your...
[00:09:04]  I'm just being a dick.
[00:09:05]  If you wanted to put the effort in, you could almost certainly figure out who these people are and find evidence of them still being alive and working with their CSTs.
[00:09:12]  I'm not saying that I did that, but I am saying that if I did, I would still respect their privacy and never discuss their personal details on this show.
[00:09:19]  On his show on the 19th, Alex seems to have a keen awareness that his normal incitement-laden behavior may be way too dangerous to engage in while a city is in the middle of a large-scale manhunt.
[00:09:29]  That's not the time to call on citizens to rise up because it's the time when it's most likely to be taken seriously by the most unhinged of his listeners.
[00:09:38]  Alex took a very strange approach and barely even talked about Boston being in a shelter-in-place request, about how an MIT police officer had been murdered the night before, about how there had been a shootout in a residential neighborhood.
[00:09:50]  If you didn't know that these things were happening, you would not learn about them by listening to that day's InfoWars episode.
[00:09:55]  I can tell you that very confidently.
[00:09:58]  You'd learn about how Stuart Rhodes is a baby about permits and how Larry Pratt hates Muslims.
[00:10:02]  That's about what you'd learn.
[00:10:04]  Better for everybody, I guess.
[00:10:06]  So the 20th is a Saturday.
[00:10:08]  So now Alex has no show on Saturday.
[00:10:10]  Alex returns on Sunday the 21st, and by that point, the situation is largely resolved.
[00:10:15]  To get us up to speed on what's happened, here we go.
[00:10:18]  In the very early morning of the 19th, Governor Duval Patrick put out a shelter-in-place request asking the people to stay indoors to help police better carry out their manhunt.
[00:10:26]  At no point is this a demand, and it's not enforced by any coercion nor any force.
[00:10:31]  Mass transit is temporarily suspended in the city, and Massachusetts National Guard is called in to assist police in carrying out door-to-door searches in targeted areas.
[00:10:41]  As the day drags on, though, the authorities keep coming up empty.
[00:10:46]  At 2 p.m., that evening's Red Sox game is canceled, and by 4.30 p.m., the command center is starting to wonder if there's any point in maintaining this shelter-in-place request.
[00:10:55]  They've done their sweep, and they haven't found Johar, and they're beginning to fear that he has escaped the perimeter.
[00:11:01]  At 5.30 p.m., service resumes on mass transit, and at 6.25 p.m., the shelter-in-place request is lifted.
[00:11:09]  Then, 17 minutes later, at 6.42 p.m., the police get a 911 call from someone who lived at 67 Franklin Street, telling them that there is a bleeding man hiding in his boat, which is parked out in his yard.
[00:11:21]  Gotcha.
[00:11:22]  He'd not noticed that his boat had seemed to have been tampered with previously because he'd stayed indoors honoring the shelter-in-place request.
[00:11:28]  After the request had been lifted, he went outside to get some air, and he noticed that things weren't right.
[00:11:33]  He looked under the tarp and saw a person inside.
[00:11:36]  Police immediately jump into action, and they form a new perimeter around this address.
[00:11:41]  At 6.54 p.m., police fire on the boat, but they're quickly told to cease fire.
[00:11:46]  The officer who shot at the boat did not have proper authorization, but he saw motion.
[00:11:51]  And as the suspect was thought to be armed and known to be willing to fire at police, the last time they encountered him, he made a very bad assumption that he was about to be fired on.
[00:11:59]  And then there was that sort of phenomenon of contagious fire.
[00:12:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:03]  Police just hear someone shooting and they assume there's a reason to be shot.
[00:12:06]  Right, right, right.
[00:12:07]  Which again goes back to one of the main points of the police after action report, which is we need better weapons discipline.
[00:12:12]  No, it's a common fucking joke in so many things where some guy will fire off his machine gun and then 30 guys go off and then the commander's like, Jesus Christ, what are you guys doing?
[00:12:22]  And they're like, oh, this guy over here, I don't know.
[00:12:24]  Yeah, that phenomenon was in play.
[00:12:27]  Yeah.
[00:12:28]  Almost an hour later, the police deploy flashbangs, but they're ineffective in getting the suspect to leave the boat.
[00:12:34]  Negotiators came in to try and convince him to surrender, and that strategy is pretty ineffective as well.
[00:12:40]  I really want to caution everybody, maybe we should start with Negotiator and then go to Flashbang.
[00:12:46]  You know, the order of those should be reversed, right?
[00:12:49]  That's an angle that I think you can take, and I would be interested if that was Alex's perspective, but he doesn't seem to be interested in that one.
[00:12:58]  I am not positive, even if you look at all of it, that someone didn't try and get him out of the boat before they moved flashbangs.
[00:13:04]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:13:05]  But bringing in the professional negotiators might have been a little later.
[00:13:08]  One thing it's nice to know is that in the rock, paper, scissors game, boat beats flashbang.
[00:13:13]  That's nice to see.
[00:13:14]  Not always.
[00:13:15]  That's nice to know.
[00:13:16]  Not always.
[00:13:17]  So ultimately, Johar does leave the boat at 8:41 p.m. and surrenders to the police.
[00:13:22]  The nightmare the city has been living in for about four days has come to an end.
[00:13:26]  Four people are dead, and one has suffered injuries that will lead to his eventual death, and hundreds are injured.
[00:13:32]  Countless people's lives have been changed in ways that it would be impossible to quantify in numbers, but at very least, the suspects are dead or in custody, and the people of Boston can breathe easily and begin the difficult process of rebuilding and healing.
[00:13:45]  But that can also wait until the morning.
[00:13:48]  That night, people flooded the streets in celebration, more or less forming flash mobs to decompress and release their tension.
[00:13:54]  College students got drunk and yelled USA in large groups.
[00:13:57]  More adult Bostonians gathered to applaud and thank the law enforcement officers for putting themselves on the line to catch the culprit.
[00:14:04]  Watching the footage now, even six years later, the feeling of unity in that catharsis is palpable.
[00:14:10]  By the time Alex gets on air the afternoon of April 21st, the chaos is over.
[00:14:15]  The manhunt is complete.
[00:14:17]  The temporary deployment of the Massachusetts National Guard has come to an end.
[00:14:20]  The city of Boston had already announced a memorial to the victims and survivors planned to be placed in Copley Square.
[00:14:26]  The suspects are no longer on the run, and the details of the actual investigation that took place over the preceding six days are starting to become public.
[00:14:34]  The cement has dried, but Alex has managed to make a hellacious dent in the surface in the meantime.
[00:14:40]  As we jump back in here, we will see Alex entering the next phase of his conspiracy-building operation.
[00:14:45]  When there was no information available, he knows that he needs to lay the groundwork for his narrative.
[00:14:50]  He does this by immediately insisting the event is a false flag, displaying a confident, knee-jerk defiance that draws people in who mistake that confidence as being based in some kind of a wisdom or rebelliousness.
[00:15:02]  As any information has come out, he's worked to integrate it into his narrative.
[00:15:06]  And that's important.
[00:15:07]  In this stage that we've been looking at so far, he doesn't adapt his narrative to match reality.
[00:15:13]  He distorts reality to conform to his narrative.
[00:15:16]  That family guy episode was actually about a Tea Party guy who joins the Taliban.
[00:15:21]  That's shifting reality to match his narrative.
[00:15:24]  CNN announced that the arrest had been made not because they got bad information, but because they were scared of Alex's coverage of the pictures he found on 4chan.
[00:15:33]  The courthouse in Boston was evacuated not because of a bomb scare, but because Alex blew up their plan, so they had to switch out their patsys.
[00:15:41]  Everything that Alex has been doing serves to use his overarching explanation that this was a false flag that the globalists are now trying to cover up to make sense of everything that happens that might seem confusing because of the absence of information.
[00:15:54]  It's the rhetorical equivalent of a miracle pill that cures everything that he's trying to sell.
[00:16:00]  Yeah, one weird trick for propaganda.
[00:16:02]  Right.
[00:16:02]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:03]  Now that the suspects are in custody or dead, Alex has to change to the next stage of conspiracy building, which is discrediting every piece of information that comes out about the official suspects and the story surrounding their crime and arrest.
[00:16:15]  This is still somewhat aimed at distorting reality to fit his narrative, but it also has a necessity, it necessarily involves the opposite as well.
[00:16:24]  There will be elements of reality that he just can't pretend aren't real.
[00:16:27]  So in order to keep this going, he does have to fine-tune his narrative along the way.
[00:16:31]  There's a little bit of this in the shift to saying that they planned to blame the SEALs all along.
[00:16:36]  That's an attempt to jettison the white Patsy narrative as being relevant to the conversation at all, because it's not.
[00:16:42]  That's him shifting his narrative in order to better suit the facts that are coming out.
[00:16:48]  There are two elements of what Alex is doing that I find morally repugnant that I'd like to just say up front.
[00:16:54]  The first is that what this is doing is specifically in service of creating an alternative reality that Alex then makes money off of.
[00:17:04]  It's profoundly disrespectful to the victims and survivors of the attack, as well as the larger community of Boston.
[00:17:10]  He's taking their pain and anxiety and trying to turn it into profit, which is abhorrent.
[00:17:14]  The other thing is that if Alex has his way, he's trying to get Johar Zarnev off the hook for the bombing.
[00:17:21]  Now, in 2019, it's very easy for me to say that I have literally zero doubt about Johar's guilt.
[00:17:26]  It's been very well substantiated both by hard evidence, circumstantial evidence, and his uncoerced confession and apology.
[00:17:33]  There is a concrete reality here, and it's that Johar and Tamerlan Zarnev committed this bombing.
[00:17:39]  Alex is working as hard as he can to create a reality where either they didn't do it or they did it because the government was using them as patsies, which serves to shift culpability more than a little bit.
[00:17:50]  In a very concrete and real sense, Alex Jones, right now, as we're looking at him in 2013, is making money by doing damage control for terrorists.
[00:17:59]  Sometimes it's easy to lose sight of that.
[00:18:01]  You say that like it's a bad thing.
[00:18:04]  You say that with all this judgment.
[00:18:06]  It's easy to lose sight of that sometimes.
[00:18:07]  So I just wanted to start off this episode by bringing a sharp focus to that.
[00:18:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:18:12]  And in this first clip, we start to see that he is making a bunch more money off this.
[00:18:19]  Well, ladies and gentlemen, InfoWars.com and this radio show and my entire team has an incredible responsibility now more than ever.
[00:18:30]  The traffic on the site is quite frankly scary.
[00:18:34]  Tens of millions a day pouring into InfoWars.com alone right now, instead of a million a day or so, as is normally there.
[00:18:44]  So quite a responsibility.
[00:18:46]  Quite a responsibility.
[00:18:47]  Yeah.
[00:18:48]  We'll see how that plays out.
[00:18:49]  You know, there's a greater carefulness or attention to detail.
[00:18:54]  Well, yeah, now that his responsibility is increased, he is going to increase his acting responsible.
[00:19:00]  With great responsibility comes great profits.
[00:19:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:19:04]  I mean, his traffic is up 10 times.
[00:19:06]  So, like, he's gotten to that point by sort of mirroring, amplifying bullshit on the internet and sensationalizing and lying about an ongoing tragedy.
[00:19:19]  So why not keep that up?
[00:19:21]  You've market-tested this now.
[00:19:23]  It works.
[00:19:24]  It's just that thing where it's like you see that glitch in humanity and you're like, fucking, what are we doing here?
[00:19:30]  The idea that in the absence of real information, Alex Jones makes 10 times as much money.
[00:19:37]  Great.
[00:19:37]  Great humanity.
[00:19:38]  We're doing good stuff.
[00:19:40]  Just to be fair, it's not concrete that it's 10 times as much money, but it is definitely could be.
[00:19:45]  Yeah.
[00:19:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:46]  So Alex now gets to, since we're on the 21st, all of the stuff has happened already.
[00:19:52]  So Alex knows the main beats of the resolution of the manhunt, all of this.
[00:20:00]  And so he gets to talking about Johar getting taken in by the police and him coming out of the boat.
[00:20:07]  The younger Tsarnav brother climbs out of the boat and minutes later is a tracheotomy and can't talk and is now in critical condition.
[00:20:17]  Dead men tell no tales and now it's in the news they're drugging him because the hospital staff aren't on the globalist payroll.
[00:20:24]  They need to keep him drugged until they say he's okay and then he's going to be taken to a black site and he'll be given, I mean, you can give people amnesic drugs that are easy to get with his prescription where they'll do whatever you want.
[00:20:36]  You can say, walk off this cliff and give somebody four or five halcyon, they will.
[00:20:40]  So none of that ended up happening.
[00:20:43]  So that's cool.
[00:20:44]  Who has prescription privileges for amnesia pills?
[00:20:47]  For halcyon?
[00:20:47]  Yeah, who's everyone?
[00:20:49]  Who's the witch doctors get that?
[00:20:51]  I assume there's a special license.
[00:20:52]  Now James Bond has a license to kill.
[00:20:54]  Every globalist has a license for halcyon.
[00:20:56]  Okay.
[00:20:57]  All right, fair enough.
[00:20:58]  Every single time there's some high-profile event, Alex immediately says the person who's arrested for it is going to be drugged up, usually on halcyon.
[00:21:06]  It's a very important piece of his strategy because as long as he insistently argues that arrested terrorists are drugged up, it doesn't matter if they confess to their crimes.
[00:21:15]  No piece of actual evidence that they're guilty can penetrate this conspiracy theory at that point.
[00:21:20]  Anything the police say is just a cover-up of the false flag.
[00:21:23]  Anything the perpetrator says is just the result of them being drugged by the globalists to cover up the false flag.
[00:21:28]  It's basically an insurance policy for his narrative that he needs to invoke whenever a suspect is not killed during the arrest.
[00:21:34]  Leave aside for a moment that when someone who's suffering from a mental illness is incarcerated, it would be profoundly inhuman to not give them appropriate care, including appropriate psych evaluations if needed, and also if needed, medication.
[00:21:48]  Where Alex sees brainwashing and evil drugging, the reality is generally just getting psychotic people on antipsychotic medication so they can ethically be put on trial.

=== Neck Injury Conspiracy (07:45) ===

[00:21:57]  Yeah.
[00:21:58]  Yeah, it is just inhuman to watch somebody with a very serious mental illness spew their nonsense into the fucking etherphere.
[00:22:06]  Like if you're in his family or married to him or work at the same place that he does, if you just, if you keep a man from getting the medication that he needs to live a full, rich, healthy life, you know, I think that's where we're getting into trouble.
[00:22:19]  It's inhuman, man.
[00:22:20]  It's rough.
[00:22:21]  It's very troublesome.
[00:22:22]  So this tracheotomy argument that Alex is making was all the rage in conspiracy communities in the days after this arrest.
[00:22:28]  And guess what?
[00:22:29]  It largely traces back to an article that Alex posted on InfoWars.
[00:22:33]  The basic gist of this conspiracy is that after Johar had surrendered, the police gave him a throat injury so he couldn't speak and thus not blow the whistle about how he was being set up.
[00:22:43]  Of course, this theory doesn't take into account how he was still perfectly able to write as he did as he was being questioned immediately by law enforcement when he was in the hospital.
[00:22:52]  In October 2018, court filings were made public that included 79 pages that Johar had made and written while he was being questioned by the police.
[00:23:00]  On notebook paper, he wrote, lawyer, and quote, listen, buddy, I know my rights.
[00:23:05]  No one is at risk.
[00:23:06]  No bombs.
[00:23:07]  No one will die.
[00:23:08]  He asked the police, quote, is my brother alive?
[00:23:11]  A number of times.
[00:23:13]  In a moment where he seems to be acknowledging his own guilt, he says, quote, we're at war, my friend, when he's discussing the U.S. military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[00:23:22]  He even says, quote, America is at war.
[00:23:24]  Is it not?
[00:23:24]  I did what is necessary.
[00:23:26]  My people are dying.
[00:23:28]  Other notes seem to be clearly indicating that he's telling the police that this was a conspiracy of two.
[00:23:33]  Quote, no one else was involved.
[00:23:34]  Quote, only he knew.
[00:23:36]  Quote, my brother and I. Quote, we told no one.
[00:23:40]  He pleads for them not to arrest Tamerlane's wife, who he swears had no idea what they were planning.
[00:23:45]  Whatever would have been achieved by Alex's conspiracy theory of the police injuring Johar's neck would not have mattered at all.
[00:23:50]  It's not like he was scheduled to do a press tour, right, after getting arrested and now couldn't because he couldn't talk.
[00:23:56]  He ultimately might not have been able to speak, but he was perfectly able to communicate, and he did.
[00:24:01]  A bunch.
[00:24:03]  Also, he was able to speak again by April 22nd when he had his first preliminary hearing, which is in stark opposition to Alex's narrative, which is that Johar may never be able to speak again.
[00:24:12]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:24:13]  In his trial in 2015, Johar took the stand and said the following: Quote, immediately after the bombing, which I am guilty of, if there's any lingering doubt about that, let there be no more.
[00:24:24]  I did it, I did do it.
[00:24:25]  A way to make it hard, dude.
[00:24:27]  I did it.
[00:24:28]  Stick up for yourself a little bit.
[00:24:30]  Most of his trial was about how Tamerlin was more guilty.
[00:24:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:35]  I did it along with my brother.
[00:24:37]  I learned of some of the victims.
[00:24:39]  I learned their names, their faces, their age.
[00:24:41]  And throughout this trial, more of those victims were given names.
[00:24:45]  More of those victims had faces, and they had burdened souls.
[00:24:48]  Now, all of those who got up on that witness stand in that podium related to us, to me, I was listening, the suffering that was and the hardship that still is, with strength and with patience and with dignity.
[00:24:59]  Now, Allah says in the Quran that no soul is burdened with more than it can bear, and you told us just how unbearable it was, how horrendous it was, this thing I put you through.
[00:25:08]  And I know that you kept that much.
[00:25:11]  I know that there isn't enough time in the day for you to have related to us everything.
[00:25:15]  I also wish far more people had a chance to get up there, but I took them from you.
[00:25:19]  Now, I am sorry for the lives I've taken, for the suffering that I've caused you, for the damage that I've done, irreparable damage.
[00:25:26]  I ask Allah to have mercy upon me and my brother and my family.
[00:25:29]  I ask Allah to bestow his mercy upon those present here today.
[00:25:33]  And Allah knows best those deserving of his mercy.
[00:25:37]  He may have pled not guilty initially, but his defense never really even tried to say that he didn't do the bombing.
[00:25:43]  Anyway, about that neck injury.
[00:25:45]  When police apprehended Johar, he was pretty banged up.
[00:25:48]  He'd been in a shootout with the police the night before, and then was inside that boat when officers were shooting at it, not to mention the flashbangs.
[00:25:55]  In the process of that, he suffered some serious injuries, according to the trauma surgeon who attended to him when he arrived at the hospital, Dr. Stephen Ray Odom.
[00:26:04]  Quote, he has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left side of his mouth and exited the left face, lower face.
[00:26:12]  This was initially thought to be a self-inflicted wound, a botched attempt at suicide, but he didn't have a gun in the boat.
[00:26:18]  So the more likely explanation is that a stray shot happened, and it was remarkable that he survived.
[00:26:24]  Dr. Odom said that the injury caused damage to his pharynx, which was treated in the hospital, including the help of a trach tube that was done at the hospital, not on scene.
[00:26:34]  No one would do that outside the boat.
[00:26:37]  It wasn't like the helpful doctor on a plane who's like, get me a pen and stabs the guy in the throat and he's like, he can breathe.
[00:26:45]  No.
[00:26:46]  Alex's conspiracy hinges on two photos from the scene of the apprehension.
[00:26:50]  One shows Johar standing, approaching the police, surrendering.
[00:26:53]  The other shows medics attending to him with his neck appearing to be wrapped in gauze.
[00:26:58]  According to Alex, the first picture shows no wound, and the second picture is of them treating a wound.
[00:27:03]  Therefore, the police must have caused the wound to silence Johar.
[00:27:07]  In reality, the first picture of Johar standing is very poorly lit.
[00:27:11]  The entire left side of his neck is completely in shadows.
[00:27:15]  Other photos from the same release of images show Johar in much better lighting, and that side of his face is almost completely covered in blood.
[00:27:22]  The one image where the left side of his face is obscured by shadows makes things look pretty suspicious.
[00:27:27]  But if you look at all available images, that argument falls apart very quickly.
[00:27:32]  I like the idea of a person who is willing to accept two images as all the proof you need.
[00:27:39]  Yeah.
[00:27:40]  Call it a day, guys.
[00:27:41]  Let's wrap it up.
[00:27:42]  I got two pictures.
[00:27:43]  Good enough.
[00:27:44]  That's all I need.
[00:27:45]  Many conspiracy theorists use that second photo of him with his neck wrapped in gauze as proof that the police were putting a tube into Johar's throat at the scene to silence him.
[00:27:54]  And that's absurd, since the image just shows police using an assisted breathing mask, which is non-invasive.
[00:28:00]  Everything that's provided as being suspicious here is exactly what you would expect to see if police encountered a suspect with a wound that was potentially impairing their breathing.
[00:28:08]  They were performing first aid.
[00:28:10]  Right.
[00:28:11]  None of this is real at all.
[00:28:13]  It's based on out of context and sort of manipulative photos.
[00:28:17]  Like the fact that they point so strongly to the one with his face in shadows as like, you don't see any wound.
[00:28:23]  Of course, you can't see half of his face.
[00:28:25]  Right.
[00:28:26]  So anyway.
[00:28:27]  If you dump a bunch of photos, there should be a law that you don't get to just pick two.
[00:28:33]  No, no.
[00:28:34]  Like if you dump a bunch of photos, then if somebody just uses two and draws a conclusion, it's like, no, no, no, that's a fine.
[00:28:41]  Find.
[00:28:42]  That's a good indication they might not be on the other side.
[00:28:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:45]  So that's one of his big ways to attack the story.
[00:28:48]  That they put a tube in his neck to try and silence him immediately.
[00:28:53]  That's part of the new strategy, the new manifestation of the conspiracy building.
[00:28:59]  So now they've killed all of the Patsys except for their final Patsy, who they didn't succeed in killing.
[00:29:06]  Well, they wanted to kill him, but because the shelter-in-place order was rescinded, the media was able to get there on that.
[00:29:12]  They couldn't kill him.
[00:29:13]  Alex will articulate this later in the episode.
[00:29:15]  Of course, of course.
[00:29:16]  That's his theory.
[00:29:17]  Right.
[00:29:18]  Theory is a very generous way of putting it.
[00:29:20]  Yeah, full shit.

=== Selective Enforcement Controversy (15:17) ===

[00:29:21]  That's his theory.
[00:29:22]  So this is fun.
[00:29:24]  This part's fun.
[00:29:25]  This next clip is actually like a lot of these are just dumb, stupid, and probably dangerous lies.
[00:29:33]  Blasphemous, at least, yes.
[00:29:34]  This one is kind of fun.
[00:29:36]  Again, thank you so much for joining us.
[00:29:40]  Where should I start today?
[00:29:43]  Where should I start?
[00:29:44]  I think I should start with this article out of the Hollywood Reporter.
[00:29:48]  Again, Alex Jones here, your host.
[00:29:49]  Thank you for joining us today.
[00:29:51]  FCC blesses Red Sox player F-Bomb.
[00:29:55]  He spoke from the heart video.
[00:29:59]  So normally there'd be a giant fine on the network that aired it, and then that would be passed on by the players union and the league to David Ortiz.
[00:30:12]  Emotional Fenway Park speech included the line, this is our effing city.
[00:30:17]  But the government, the FCC, is deciding that's okay.
[00:30:22]  Now, quite frankly, I think it is okay.
[00:30:25]  But you cannot then fine anybody else for cussing during a family program like baseball.
[00:30:34]  As American as baseball and apple pie.
[00:30:37]  Do you have a F this over apple pie and baseball?
[00:30:40]  Do you do that at grandma's house?
[00:30:42]  No, you go to a bar and talk like that.
[00:30:44]  You do that on sailing ships.
[00:30:46]  Okay, if you're in the Navy ship.
[00:30:48]  And again, I'm not obsessed over people cussing, but I'm sick of selective enforcement.
[00:30:54]  So in their first.
[00:30:55]  Number one story out of Boston, April 21st.
[00:30:59]  Let's get the number one story out of the way, and then we'll get to the page two news, whatever that may be.
[00:31:04]  Right.
[00:31:05]  This is how he, like, this is such a good indication of him taking these boutique kind of like trivial issues and trying to make them super important when it's like, hey, the Boston bombing is resolved.
[00:31:16]  Yeah, but hold on.
[00:31:17]  David Ortiz gets to say fucking I don't.
[00:31:20]  I got to bleep it or I spent 500 bucks or whatever.
[00:31:23]  What about Janet Jackson's nipple?
[00:31:25]  Where are we on that, Dan?
[00:31:26]  So in their first game back at Fenway Park, the Red Sox were set to play the Kansas City Royals on April 20th, 2013.
[00:31:33]  Before the game, it felt appropriate to address the crowd because they had had to cancel the days before and the city was in this state.
[00:31:40]  And as David Ortiz is something of an elder statesman on the team, he was asked to say a few words.
[00:31:45]  He thanked the governor and the police, then said, quote, this is our fucking city, and nobody is going to dictate our freedom.
[00:31:51]  Stay strong.
[00:31:52]  Cue to the crowd going comfortably.
[00:31:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:56]  No, no, no.
[00:31:56]  Everybody loving it.
[00:31:58]  I hate that kind of shit.
[00:31:59]  I have no civic pride, but I would be there being like, fuck yeah!
[00:32:03]  This is a city that had just been terrorized.
[00:32:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:32:05]  No, no, no.
[00:32:06]  You get that one.
[00:32:07]  That one's on you, man.
[00:32:08]  Big Poppy didn't get in trouble for this, even though his comments were broadcast on live TV.
[00:32:13]  In fact, the head of the FCC, Julius Jenikowski, tweeted out, quote, David Ortiz spoke from the heart today at the Red Sox.
[00:32:20]  He tweeted out, fuck yeah.
[00:32:22]  I stand with Big Poppy and the people of Boston.
[00:32:25]  Of course.
[00:32:26]  God, can you imagine if the FCC really tried to enforce that?
[00:32:30]  That would be crazy.
[00:32:31]  The entire United States heard that.
[00:32:33]  No matter how much you hate bad language, they heard that without, fuck yeah.
[00:32:36]  Yeah, and that's like my position on it is who gives a shit?
[00:32:40]  Yeah.
[00:32:40]  Come on, man.
[00:32:41]  So there are some very good reasons beyond just the horrible optics of trying to find David Ortiz for this.
[00:32:48]  But they decided not to fine him.
[00:32:50]  One of them is that the game was being broadcast on cable, which is outside the jurisdiction of the FCC.
[00:32:55]  The game was also airing on the radio, though.
[00:32:57]  So they could have hit him with a fine for that.
[00:32:59]  But there's another element to this story that's important.
[00:33:02]  Previous to the bombing, Julius Jenikowski had put in his resignation as the head of the FCC.
[00:33:07]  All right.
[00:33:09]  He was on his way out the door.
[00:33:11]  He's a dude on his way out the door.
[00:33:13]  Fuck yes.
[00:33:14]  So he had zero interest in punishing someone for a passionate expression of solidarity in the aftermath of a tragedy.
[00:33:21]  Man, I put him by two weeks.
[00:33:23]  You get to say fuck whatever you fucking want.
[00:33:26]  And it's the sort of thing where it's like, okay, so someone new is going to take over the FCC in like a month.
[00:33:31]  They're like, you want to go back and do that?
[00:33:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:34]  You have fun.
[00:33:35]  You have fun.
[00:33:36]  I'm not going to do this.
[00:33:37]  So Bleacher Report did an oral history of the speech Ortiz gave, and here's what Jenikowski said.
[00:33:43]  Quote, I knew that there would be people who saw that he had used the F-word on the airwaves and would ask me, oh, is that a violation of the FCC rule?
[00:33:51]  And is the FCC going to punish that?
[00:33:52]  That's an editorial tone of voice, but.
[00:33:55]  My first thought was, no fucking way we're going to punish this.
[00:34:01]  In the same oral history, David Ortiz says what he remembers the head of the FCC telling him.
[00:34:06]  Yeah.
[00:34:06]  Quote, it was like, look, you said something that got this city moving forward.
[00:34:11]  It took the fear out of people.
[00:34:12]  You have no idea what you just said.
[00:34:14]  That's going to be in the history of New England forever.
[00:34:17]  It was right when we needed it.
[00:34:18]  Don't worry.
[00:34:19]  We needed that F-bomb.
[00:34:21]  Yeah.
[00:34:21]  You know what he also said?
[00:34:22]  My last act is not going to be the guy who fined David Ortiz for saying fuck yeah after we caught the Boston bomber.
[00:34:31]  That's not how I'm going down in history.
[00:34:33]  After days of being on edge, a terrifying 24 hours of this uncertain manhunt, the city was allowed to breathe a collective sigh of relief.
[00:34:41]  Relief is good.
[00:34:42]  And what David Ortiz did is hit a pressure release button, providing a rallying cry.
[00:34:47]  And no one, not even the censorious FCC, couldn't see that this moment was important for so many people.
[00:34:53]  Equal measures of rebelliousness and reassurance.
[00:34:56]  It was perfect.
[00:34:57]  Big Poppy would end up hitting a grand slam to tie game two of the ALC championships and keep Boston's playoff hopes alive that year, ultimately leading them to win the World Series with Ortiz taking home the honors of World Series MVP.
[00:35:10]  It's really the stuff of fairy tales.
[00:35:12]  And anyone who can't appreciate the 2013 Red Sox is either a complete monster or just a diehard Yankees fan.
[00:35:18]  Yeah, well.
[00:35:19]  And they're still salty about not winning the World Series in 2001.
[00:35:23]  God, that's the only thing.
[00:35:26]  The diamondbacks.
[00:35:27]  George W. could have done one thing in his presidency, and that's the day after 9-11 come out and been like, fuck you, terrorists.
[00:35:34]  I would have been like, well, at least we got one on the board and said it was shit all from start to finish.
[00:35:39]  Well, I mean, you just imagine a scenario where, like, I don't know, a month after 9-11, you got A-Rod.
[00:35:46]  Was he on the Yankees at that point?
[00:35:47]  Yes.
[00:35:47]  No, A-Rod wasn't on the Yankees in 2000.
[00:35:50]  Jeter.
[00:35:50]  Jeter was, yeah.
[00:35:51]  Jeeter comes out.
[00:35:52]  Jeter comes out.
[00:35:53]  He says this is our fucking city.
[00:35:54]  Yeah.
[00:35:55]  I don't think anyone's going to be mad about that.
[00:35:57]  You know, I understand the idea of selective enforcement being bad, but you also got to understand.
[00:36:02]  Come on.
[00:36:03]  Yeah.
[00:36:03]  Come on.
[00:36:03]  Come on.
[00:36:04]  Come on, man.
[00:36:04]  Grow up.
[00:36:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:36:06]  This is ridiculous.
[00:36:07]  Come on, man.
[00:36:08]  So Alex is pretty much, he's like, I'm not anti-profanity, but.
[00:36:12]  I'm not a person that uses a lot of profanity unless I slam my hand in a door or something.
[00:36:16]  Then you will hear some.
[00:36:18]  Or I just get mad.
[00:36:19]  Yeah.
[00:36:19]  A lot of the time.
[00:36:21]  Whenever I get mad.
[00:36:22]  But it's a family show.
[00:36:23]  Yeah.
[00:36:23]  Piss.
[00:36:26]  So Alex thinks that this selective enforcement of fining Derek Derek Jeter.
[00:36:31]  David Ortiz.
[00:36:32]  David Ortiz.
[00:36:33]  Is tyranny because any kind of selective enforcement is tyranny.
[00:36:37]  Again, this is the essence of tyranny is when things are selectively enforced.
[00:36:43]  We have a county district attorney.
[00:36:45]  Now the film's been released of her restrained, drunk, spitting on people, driving down the wrong side of the road.
[00:36:52]  And the Democratic Party here in Austin, Texas says she will stay in office and she is above the law.
[00:37:00]  She had right at three times, right below three times the legal limit.
[00:37:04]  And again, if I drink two beers and drive home, they'll take me to jail.
[00:37:07]  I empathize with what Alex is saying about selective enforcement, but I also think that there's room for understanding extenuating circumstances.
[00:37:14]  If the excuse was just David Ortiz was emotional, like Alex is trying to present, you know, like as if he had just hit a game-winning home run, then I think that excuse is a little bit soft.
[00:37:24]  Given that he was just asked to speak before the first Red Sox came back after the city was terrorized by bombers, I think it's probably okay to enforce obscenity laws a little selectively in that case.
[00:37:34]  And again, my advice to Alex is grow up.
[00:37:36]  Yeah, the only thing you don't get to say is, man, I wish that bomber was still free.
[00:37:40]  Like, you don't get to say that one.
[00:37:41]  Other than that, you don't have to do anything about it.
[00:37:43]  No, see, that's a bigger risk.
[00:37:46]  Now, about this Austin district attorney.
[00:37:48]  Alex is talking about a woman named Rosemary Lemberg, who was arrested for drunk driving on April 12th after her car veered into a bike lane, then into oncoming traffic, allegedly.
[00:37:58]  The officer who pulled her over saw an open vodka bottle in the passenger seat.
[00:38:02]  So this was what you call an open and shut case.
[00:38:04]  According to an article in the Austin Chronicle, the officer wrote in his affidavit that she was, quote, cooperative and polite, which seems counter to Alex's characterization.
[00:38:13]  The day after her arrest, she wrote letters to the county attorney and the court and said that she would plead guilty and that she expected no leniency.
[00:38:21]  According to a later Chronicle article, she was sentenced to 45 days in jail and lost her license for 180 days.
[00:38:27]  She also had to pay a $4,000 fine, which is the highest fine allowable for a DWI she was charged with, that form of DWI.
[00:38:36]  The strictness of the punishment is particularly notable since this is a first offense.
[00:38:40]  Like, it's very harsh punishment for a first offense.
[00:38:44]  It's kind of uncommon if you don't kill somebody or hurt somebody to get any jail time for a first offense DUI.
[00:38:52]  This was like a statement: nobody is above the law.
[00:38:55]  And she kind of asked for it.
[00:38:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:57]  Because she recognized that it would send a bad message.
[00:38:59]  We have to make this all look like it's above board.
[00:39:02]  We have to do the whole thing, and it's my fault.
[00:39:04]  The Democrats never said that she was above the law, and neither did she.
[00:39:07]  They just felt that a DWI isn't necessarily something that you should get thrown out of office for, particularly when you take responsibility for your actions.
[00:39:15]  All the details Alex is rattling off, particularly her spitting on people, is not substantiated.
[00:39:20]  Video from Lemberg's arrest has been released, and I won't lie, it's not a good look, but it's not too different from how just about anybody would be after getting arrested for a DWI.
[00:39:30]  She's trying to talk her way out of it and being a little bit rude to the police, but it's not that crazy.
[00:39:35]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:39:36]  I would imagine a lot of people would look way worse if you had video of them getting arrested and still kind of drunk.
[00:39:43]  Alex is using allegations that were put out against Lemberg by her GOP enemies who were trying to use her DWI as a way to get her out of office.
[00:39:52]  Then Governor Rick Perry would try to use the DWI to try to get her to step down, threatening that if she didn't, he would defund her office.
[00:39:59]  She refused.
[00:40:00]  He defunded her office, and then Perry got indicted by a grand jury for trying to coerce a public official to resign.
[00:40:06]  Wait, are you saying that you can't do that?
[00:40:08]  Because that sequence of events sounds like something that is enshrined in our Constitution.
[00:40:13]  You should be able to dishonestly and in bad faith pressure somebody into doing what you want in a public office.
[00:40:19]  I don't understand how that's an issue, Dan.
[00:40:21]  Perry fought the indictment, and after he ended up leaving office, all charges against him were dismissed in some sort of a deal.
[00:40:27]  Anyway, this whole thing is a big two-sided mess.
[00:40:30]  On one side, you had a DA who got caught dunk driving, lashed out a little bit, then apologized and submitted herself to the process of making things right.
[00:40:37]  It's always wrong to drive drunk, but if you do and learn your lesson, it's the best possible outcome short of not doing it ever.
[00:40:44]  On the other hand, you had a concerted effort to blow the DWI out of proportion and use it as a political weapon to get a Democrat out of office.
[00:40:52]  We see which side Alex is on.
[00:40:53]  He's just towing the GOP line, trying to get a Democrat DA out of office.
[00:40:59]  You know, it's not that I don't want to say that it's blowing the event itself out of proportion.
[00:41:03]  I think DUI is or DWI is a very, very serious defense.
[00:41:08]  I agree.
[00:41:09]  And so I'm not saying that they're, like, I don't think they're blowing it out of proportion.
[00:41:13]  I think they're using it in a disingenuous and dishonest manner.
[00:41:18]  I think we're saying the same things, but I agree maybe your phrasing is better.
[00:41:24]  Yeah, I just don't like that blowing.
[00:41:26]  Oh, it's just a DUI, you know, like that kind of feeling.
[00:41:29]  I'm not trying to minimize.
[00:41:30]  Right, right, right.
[00:41:32]  I know you're not.
[00:41:33]  I think it's just cleaning that up.
[00:41:35]  Fair enough.
[00:41:35]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:36]  So Forbes apparently has written an article about Alex.
[00:41:39]  Sure.
[00:41:39]  And he's not happy about it.
[00:41:41]  They don't like his conspiracies.
[00:41:43]  I don't know why.
[00:41:44]  Forbes says, we don't care what evidence you have of other groups being involved.
[00:41:48]  Americans love a win.
[00:41:51]  It's like, man, our team beat the Muslim team, beat the al-Qaeda team.
[00:41:57]  Our team won.
[00:41:58]  You killed three people, including an eight-year-old boy.
[00:42:01]  And you know what?
[00:42:02]  Our police went in there and set up martial law.
[00:42:04]  And that's what we like.
[00:42:05]  The whole city lockdown, door-to-door searches, which actually kept the population from finding the guy.
[00:42:10]  And then after the prison lockdown happened, martial law, that's what it is.
[00:42:14]  Don't come out of your house or we'll shoot you.
[00:42:16]  A citizen found one of the guys hiding in a boat under a tarp.
[00:42:20]  Important point.
[00:42:21]  At no point was there an understanding that if you come out of your house, you'll be shot.
[00:42:25]  No.
[00:42:25]  That is absurd.
[00:42:27]  It was a voluntary shelter-in-place request that most people honored because they believed, like, okay, yeah, I understand.
[00:42:35]  Or like, if you work some job you don't want to go into, perfect excuse to take the day off.
[00:42:39]  Hell yeah.
[00:42:40]  Hell yeah.
[00:42:41]  And that's minimizing it a little bit.
[00:42:42]  Yeah.
[00:42:43]  But most people.
[00:42:44]  We are humans, okay?
[00:42:45]  What was it?
[00:42:46]  Like a year later they did the poll and the referenced on our last episode that was 83% still supported the behaviors a year after the fact.
[00:42:55]  You know, that's like a casualty that you don't often think about with Alex, but it's like, he just can't be happy.
[00:43:03]  He can't be happy.
[00:43:04]  They caught the terrorist, and he can't be happy they did because even catching it is proof that there's still more work for us to do or they're still lying to us or all that shit.
[00:43:15]  He can't just be like, fuck yeah, we got him.
[00:43:17]  Is no win except the imaginary win over imaginary enemies that will never come.
[00:43:22]  Ever.
[00:43:22]  Yeah.
[00:43:23]  So he said in that last clip that this is martial law, and he says some more about that here.
[00:43:28]  The, quote, lockdown.
[00:43:30]  That's what martial law is.
[00:43:31]  Don't come out of your house or we'll bust a cap in your butt.
[00:43:35]  That's what it is.
[00:43:36]  It was just a giant, ridiculous exercise in planting the flag on the Republic, violating posse comitatus, all of it.
[00:43:44]  And the system says, hey, America, you had your big win.
[00:43:46]  So the baseball player, he can cuss in front of millions of little kids watching.
[00:43:50]  Of course, if your kid repeats that in school, he'll be suspended or expelled or in some cases arrested.
[00:43:55]  But that's okay.
[00:43:57]  It's okay.
[00:43:58]  So what happened on April 19th in Boston has all the optics necessary for Alex to call it martial law, but it fails in some very important points that he does not care to recognize.
[00:44:08]  The first is, as I've mentioned, all the law enforcement actions, the door-to-door searching, the dragnets, the shelter-in-place requests, were done by the state government through appropriate channels.
[00:44:17]  All of Alex's martial law fears involve the federal government and specifically FEMA.
[00:44:22]  This situation doesn't match any of his tyranny fantasies at all.

=== 7-7 Bombing Drill Theory (15:17) ===

[00:44:26]  The second important aspect is this was a very temporary thing.
[00:44:29]  Alex always talks about martial law coming in and staying in place.
[00:44:33]  It's not just a couple hours when an armed guy who's already killed a cop and bombed a marathon is on the loose in a known area.
[00:44:39]  For the situation to match Alex's paranoid fantasies, they would need to have not caught Joe Har and kept the city in martial law in a state of fear.
[00:44:46]  That's not what happened here.
[00:44:48]  Finally, most basically and most importantly, this was not martial law.
[00:44:53]  This is important to point out because the way Alex uses that term so flippantly leads to it losing any meaning.
[00:44:59]  But martial law is a real thing, and it has defining characteristics.
[00:45:03]  So let's discuss a few of them.
[00:45:05]  The first is suspension of civil rights.
[00:45:08]  This did not happen in Boston in the aftermath of the bombings.
[00:45:12]  No one's rights under the Constitution or Bill of Rights were suspended.
[00:45:15]  Habeas corpus was still in play.
[00:45:17]  They did re-segregate the schools during that lockdown, though.
[00:45:20]  That was a really weird.
[00:45:21]  They did not.
[00:45:21]  It was a really weird day.
[00:45:23]  They brought back prohibition and got rid of it again and then brought it back a second time.
[00:45:28]  For fun.
[00:45:28]  The second characteristic is military control of civilian governance.
[00:45:32]  This did not happen in Boston.
[00:45:34]  Massachusetts National Guard were allowed to partake in policing activities at the order of the governor, which is completely constitutional.
[00:45:41]  And they were not in charge of normally civilian governmental roles.
[00:45:45]  The chain of command and governmental structure remained unchanged from how things were on April 14th before the bombing.
[00:45:52]  The third feature is civilians being tried in military tribunals.
[00:45:56]  This did not happen in Boston.
[00:45:58]  There are plenty of examples from history of actual martial law, and what happened looks nothing like that.
[00:46:04]  And here's the thing that Alex will never address.
[00:46:06]  That's the most crucial thing.
[00:46:07]  Like I said, no one had to stay inside their homes.
[00:46:10]  This is merely a request the governor made.
[00:46:12]  There's no punishment they would face if they left their homes.
[00:46:15]  There's a bunch of pictures you can find the people have posted of that day highlighting the eerie emptiness of the city.
[00:46:21]  But if you look at those pictures, they all, almost all of them, have people walking around in them.
[00:46:26]  The shelter in place was entirely voluntary.
[00:46:28]  Most people felt that it made sense to stay inside.
[00:46:33]  This is nonsense.
[00:46:33]  Yeah, most people would have stayed inside.
[00:46:35]  Alex is full of shit.
[00:46:36]  You could have just said we're doing a citywide manhunt, and most of the city would have been like, cool.
[00:46:41]  I'm going to look.
[00:46:42]  Hey, there's some cartoons on.
[00:46:44]  This, like, categorically, what happened in Boston is nothing close to martial law.
[00:46:50]  And the way Alex uses that term cheapens the reality that martial law is a real thing, and it's a fucking scary prospect.
[00:46:57]  In 2019, there were literally people calling for things that are characteristics of martial law, and they're all Trump supporters.
[00:47:04]  Yeah.
[00:47:04]  Yeah.
[00:47:05]  So I just, like, the reason that I think this is important to, like, look at some of these defining characteristics of martial law is Alex's brand is Mr. Martial Law.
[00:47:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:47:14]  And the way he uses that term is so not correct.
[00:47:19]  Well, they did.
[00:47:20]  It deserves a little bit of a focus.
[00:47:22]  I mean, the Secretary of Defense did appoint Lieutenant Colonel Kincaid to be comptroller of Boston.
[00:47:29]  So there is a little bit of a military junta.
[00:47:33]  There are examples from American history, like even in the aftermath of the Chicago fire, like that that was actual martial law.
[00:47:40]  Yeah.
[00:47:41]  Military took over the city.
[00:47:43]  That's crazy.
[00:47:45]  And sure, sometimes it's not done in a way that's to oppress the citizens of the city.
[00:47:50]  Right, right, right.
[00:47:51]  But it looks nothing like what happened in Boston.
[00:47:54]  Alex is just trying to score cheap points.
[00:47:58]  There's no way that you could.
[00:48:00]  It's one of those things where you can throw around, oh, this is martial law, all you want, but living through it is like probably not living through it.
[00:48:08]  No.
[00:48:09]  So Alex has decided, of course, that there was a drill going on at the marathon, which he has failed to really establish in any meaningful way.
[00:48:16]  Right.
[00:48:17]  And one of the ways that he like he uses that to prove that this was a false flag, because these other times in the past when there have been drills, that was also a false flag.
[00:48:26]  Right.
[00:48:27]  One of the ones that he brings up that we haven't really discussed in detail is the 7-7 bombing.
[00:48:32]  And Alex discusses how that was a drill in this next clip.
[00:48:35]  And then I'm very excited to explain to you what he's actually talking about and how full of shit this guy is.
[00:48:42]  Terror expert, London bombing's mastermind, his MI6 asset.
[00:48:46]  Oh, oh, a Saudi Arabian, a SWAT from a big, powerful family, handled the supposed bombers who thought they were part of a drill.
[00:48:56]  That's Fox News, A.P. Reuters, London Telegraph, from 2005.
[00:49:01]  See, I know what I'm looking for because I've seen it about a thousand times.
[00:49:06]  I cannot stress this enough.
[00:49:07]  Alex thinks that everything is a drill.
[00:49:09]  Every major event in the world is orchestrated by the globalists who then take these drills and make them go live in order to cause chaos and push their agenda.
[00:49:17]  Every single one of them.
[00:49:18]  In the case of the Boston bombing, Alex has been making frequent references to the 7-7 bombings in London and how there was a drill that same day as a way to strengthen his argument that the Boston bombing was a false flag, as proven by the drill they were having that day.
[00:49:31]  As we've discussed on the April 15th episode, there's no evidence that there was any kind of a drill happening at the marathon, but there's some indications that there was a crowd desensitization exercise happening for police dogs.
[00:49:42]  Alex has taken that and turned it into there being a bombing drill going on with literally no evidence except a couple pictures he found on 4chan.
[00:49:49]  I'd waited a while to discuss this 7-7 stuff because there were more pressing issues, but now I feel like it's a real good time to touch on this issue and how full of shit Alex is.
[00:49:58]  On July 7th, 2005, four terrorists detonated bombs, three of them in the underground trains and a fourth on a double-decker bus, killing 52 people.
[00:50:07]  It was a horrible attack that deeply traumatized the city of London.
[00:50:11]  That same day after the bombings, a man named Peter Power, who ran a company called Viser Consultants, went on BBC and said that he'd been working on a drill that involved simultaneous bombings at the same stations that the attacks had taken place at.
[00:50:25]  From that, Alex and Paul Joseph Watson began spinning a conspiracy that what happened is that these drills were being carried out by this consulting firm and the globalists, of course.
[00:50:34]  And in the middle of the event, things went hot and the bombing turned real.
[00:50:38]  They were the leaders on this theory and were largely responsible for its dissemination.
[00:50:43]  And they did literally zero fact-checking or research at all.
[00:50:47]  Alex's article on the supposed drill says that they were, quote, running a 1,000-person strong exercise which drilled the London underground being bombed at the exact same locations at the exact same times as happened in real life.
[00:51:00]  This is obviously meant to tell the reader that there were 1,000 people involved in this drill to test the response to a potential bombing.
[00:51:07]  However, this is a complete lie.
[00:51:10]  And they would have known that if they'd reached out to Mr. Power or looked into this in any way before deciding on a narrative.
[00:51:17]  Here's what Power actually said.
[00:51:19]  Quote, at half past nine this morning, we were actually running an exercise for a company of about a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning.
[00:51:31]  The thousand-person number was how many people worked at the company for whom he was doing a presentation.
[00:51:36]  And there was a very low likelihood that all of them were even in his session, his lecture that he was giving.
[00:51:42]  This was a corporate seminar that Power was presenting.
[00:51:45]  There were no people in the streets.
[00:51:48]  There was nothing other than a scenario and a PowerPoint presentation.
[00:51:52]  And a bit of a coincidence.
[00:51:54]  People who have looked into Peter Power have suggested that he was doing a little bit of self-promotion in this BBC presentation and his appearance on the BBC.
[00:52:02]  Oh, there we go.
[00:52:02]  His scenario did not identically match the events of the 7-7 bombings, but it's in his business's best interests to make it appear that the corporate risk management lectures that he gives are as close to prophetic as possible.
[00:52:14]  Oh, man.
[00:52:15]  This is it.
[00:52:16]  This is the drill that Alex thinks proves the 7-7 bombing was a false flag.
[00:52:20]  An attention-hungry corporate lecturer.
[00:52:22]  So this dude is on a self-promotion grift, and then he's used by right-wing propaganda grifters in order to fucking facilitate more terrorism, essentially.
[00:52:35]  Cool, cool.
[00:52:35]  It's such utter incomplete shit how cynical Alex and Paul Joseph Watson are.
[00:52:40]  There's just literally no way that they can keep doing this and have no idea that they're complete frauds.
[00:52:45]  Can you imagine them portraying this honestly?
[00:52:47]  Like Alex getting on air and trying to argue that the bombing was fake because a guy was giving a risk assessment seminar that had similarities to the bombing.
[00:52:54]  Can you imagine them being straight up with the audience about this alleged drill not being anything that involved the police or operatives or anyone on the street and only existed as a PowerPoint presentation?
[00:53:04]  He'd never do it because he's a liar.
[00:53:07]  All terrorist acts begin as PowerPoint presentations, Dan.
[00:53:12]  We all know this.
[00:53:13]  I've seen the ISIS materials.
[00:53:15]  They don't use Keynote.
[00:53:18]  They tried at the very beginning, but it just you couldn't pay attention long enough, so they switched to PowerPoints.
[00:53:23]  It's a very complicated system.
[00:53:25]  They still use projectors.
[00:53:26]  Sure.
[00:53:27]  I can't find the article that Alex is referencing when he says that a terror expert says the mastermind of the 7-7 bombings was MI6.
[00:53:34]  I searched Infowar's website and I found a blurb about this.
[00:53:37]  And apparently it's in relation to a guy on Fox News saying that Harun Rashid Aswat may have worked with British intelligence in the 90s in Bosnia.
[00:53:46]  That may be true, but it doesn't prove that he was ever or is still an MI6 asset in 2005 when the bombings happened.
[00:53:52]  It certainly doesn't prove that the bombings were a false flag at all.
[00:53:55]  Also, Harun Rashid Aswat was not one of the 7-7 bombers.
[00:54:00]  Some have suggested that he was the mastermind of the attacks, but this absolutely has not been proven.
[00:54:05]  Whether or not Aswat was a string puller of the 7-7 attack or whether or not he worked with British intelligence 15 plus years earlier in a regional conflict, none of that matters to the larger point Alex is making.
[00:54:16]  Those things can be true and not be evidence that this was a false flag.
[00:54:20]  That's possible.
[00:54:21]  So I don't really care.
[00:54:22]  The central point that he's making is about this being a drill, and his version of that is categorically not true.
[00:54:28]  Also, Aswat is not Saudi Arabian.
[00:54:30]  He was born in the United Kingdom, but his family is from India.
[00:54:33]  So good one on that issue.
[00:54:35]  But he's trying to weave in Saudi Arabia.
[00:54:37]  Yeah, throw it in there.
[00:54:38]  Because it's a little more hot in the Boston bombing conspiracy world by the 21st.
[00:54:44]  And he's brown, so nobody's going to look into it.
[00:54:46]  I did.
[00:54:47]  So there's another piece of information that has come out that is that Russia, the Russian intelligence, had warned the United States about Tamerlin Tsarnev in the past.
[00:54:58]  Okay.
[00:54:59]  So now this is going to become a central piece of Alex's rhetoric moving forward.
[00:55:04]  The Russians came to the FBI two years ago to get it on record and said, we want you to go interrogate these guys that are going back and forth and hanging out with these extremists who are attacking us, by the way.
[00:55:16]  Turned out the FBI was handling them five years ago.
[00:55:20]  Oh, and here's a big smoking gun for all of you.
[00:55:22]  And people are asking, hey, what's Alex getting at?
[00:55:25]  I'm just giving you the information.
[00:55:27]  I don't know exactly what's going on here.
[00:55:29]  Sure don't.
[00:55:31]  All I know is every time there's a terror attack, whether it's 7-7, the London bombing, or this, CIA, FBI, MI6 agents are running the people.
[00:55:43]  Prove that.
[00:55:44]  Anyway.
[00:55:45]  Anyway.
[00:55:45]  Yeah.
[00:55:46]  You know, it's more like, you know, everybody that was around in the 80s and 90s, they worked with the FBI, the CIA, and then they became terrorists.
[00:55:58]  Like the Iran-Contra and that whole thing was like the velvet underground for terrorists.
[00:56:04]  Everybody, you know, not everybody saw the thing, but everybody who was there started their own terrorist group.
[00:56:08]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:56:09]  Okay.
[00:56:10]  Interesting metaphor.
[00:56:12]  That's my metaphor for that.
[00:56:13]  So on the question of whether or not Russia warned the United States about Tamerlin Tsarnev, the answer is they definitely did.
[00:56:19]  The FSB told us in March 2011 that Tamerlin was associating with known terrorist extremists and we should keep an eye on him.
[00:56:26]  This triggered an investigation carried out by the Boston Joint Terrorism Task Force.
[00:56:30]  They interviewed Tamerlin, but they were unable to surveil him because the evidence they had didn't rise to the legal standard of that kind of a measure.
[00:56:37]  The FBI's memo about their interview.
[00:56:41]  Russia's just like, come on, you can stare at him anyways.
[00:56:44]  We do it.
[00:56:45]  Come on.
[00:56:45]  What are you doing with your laws?
[00:56:46]  Come on.
[00:56:47]  Right.
[00:56:47]  So the FBI's memo about their interview with Tamerlin has been released, and the interview took place on April 23rd, 2011.
[00:56:54]  The readout sounds like a pretty clear-cut interview following up on a tip from Russian intelligence with Tamerlin discussing that he goes to mosque once a week, has no connections or interest in radical Islamic ideas, and respects people of all faiths.
[00:57:06]  Of note in the memo is that he tells the FBI about how someone he knew was approached by four men who claimed to be FBI who wanted to talk to Tamerlin.
[00:57:15]  They left no ID or way of contacting them, and he hadn't heard from them since.
[00:57:20]  This is definitely weird, but it definitely doesn't necessarily follow that these people were actually FBI or even with the government.
[00:57:27]  Some strong indications have come out that Johar was selling drugs, so Tamerlin could have had some second or first-hand contact with criminal elements who might want to try to intimidate him with that kind of a stunt.
[00:57:36]  There are other explanations for what this could have been.
[00:57:40]  The reason I strongly discount the possibility that these people were FBI is that the report, which was restricted to internal use only, treats these four guys as an unknown entity.
[00:57:50]  It makes specific note at the end of the memo that Tamerlin was open to reporting to the FBI if these men tried to contact him again.
[00:57:56]  Overall, you're left with the impression that the FBI doesn't know anything about these four guys and that they have little idea who Tamberlin is, nor much interest in him, other than following up on this FSB tip.
[00:58:07]  By June 2011, they'd done whatever investigating they could do and were unable to find any links to terrorism.
[00:58:13]  For safe measure, they added him to a customs and border protection list that would flag him if he tried to leave or enter the country.
[00:58:20]  There were two notes in this database about Tamerlin, and neither were effective in causing his detention when he flew from New York to Moscow in January 2012 and back in July 2012.
[00:58:31]  The first note didn't consider him a high-priority target.
[00:58:35]  So on the day that he was traveling to Moscow, there were about 100 other names on the watch list that authorities were detaining and questioning.
[00:58:41]  And as he was a lower priority, the resources available were expended elsewhere and he was able to get through unstopped.
[00:58:49]  By the time Tamerlin returned, that original note on the customs and border protection profile or whatever, that had expired.
[00:58:58]  But a more severe note had been made in the meantime, which was still in effect.
[00:59:03]  This was the result of a second warning from the FSB, which led to Tamerlin being considered a very dangerous person and made his detention mandatory.
[00:59:12]  However, the agent who wrote that second note misspelled Tsarnav when they were entering him into the system, and thus when he tried to return to the country that July, it didn't raise any alarms.
[00:59:22]  This is the second time, in the case of the story, when proper data entry would have saved people probably some trouble.

=== Drudge's News Recycling Machine (06:26) ===

[00:59:28]  Man, that's such a bummer.
[00:59:32]  That's such a fucking bummer.
[00:59:34]  Instead of an A, I typed an E.
[00:59:38]  Now it's a Boston bombing.
[00:59:40]  I mean, it's not a one-to-one.
[00:59:42]  I know it's not a one-to-one, but man, as far as butterfly effect shit goes, that's got to be a brutal, brutal thought.
[00:59:48]  So this, him being allowed to get back into the country, has been the root of some people speculating that Tamerlin was an FBI informant and had been clandestinely working to infiltrate Muslim extremist communities on behalf of the government.
[01:00:01]  Sure.
[01:00:01]  As the theory goes, according to Michelle McPhee's book, Maximum Harm, Tamerlin wanted to be a U.S. citizen, primarily so he could box in the Olympics.
[01:00:10]  But he was uneligible for that because he'd been arrested for domestic violence while he was in the country.
[01:00:15]  The FBI recruited him to be an informant, thus his ability to travel while he was on the lists, in exchange for approving his citizenship application.
[01:00:24]  Over time, as the promise of citizenship never materialized, Tamerlin became angry and snapped, ultimately contributing to him bombing the marathon.
[01:00:33]  Is any of that true?
[01:00:35]  Well, it's an interesting theory, but it's just that.
[01:00:37]  It's a theory.
[01:00:37]  Yeah.
[01:00:38]  If there were proof, I could probably engage with this a little bit further.
[01:00:41]  In write-ups for the book, McPhee even admits that this is just a theory.
[01:00:45]  From a Daily Mail article, quote, McPhee's theory, which she admits she cannot definitively prove, was that Tamerlin was a federal informant and that he turned on America after his citizenship application was rejected.
[01:00:56]  It's all good and well to have a theory and discuss the possibilities that arise from that theory, but the way her writing was covered was a bit irresponsible.
[01:01:03]  The claims that the FBI was handling Tamerlin for years led the stories, and the disclaimer that this is just what she believes and can't prove were second thoughts paragraphs later.
[01:01:13]  Isn't that crazy how that always works?
[01:01:15]  Yeah.
[01:01:15]  In terms of Alex's claim that the government had handled these brothers for five years, that's just based on a claim by Tamberlin's mother, who was arguing for her son's innocence.
[01:01:25]  Yeah.
[01:01:25]  So I don't take that to be all that substantial.
[01:01:28]  I mean, she's got some skin in the game, so to speak, you know?
[01:01:31]  Yeah, we'll discuss that a little bit further later on.
[01:01:35]  So Alex talks about here in this next clip his belief sort of that these 4chan pictures that he had are still like really at the center of things.
[01:01:46]  Here are the headlines.
[01:01:46]  Group link to the brothers.
[01:01:49]  Pairs specially trained for attack.
[01:01:51]  No doubt brothers not acting alone.
[01:01:54]  Two from Kajikistan in custody.
[01:01:58]  Boston mayor acted alone.
[01:02:01]  He still hadn't gotten the dumb mayor is still.
[01:02:03]  He's not in on it.
[01:02:04]  He's still going with like Wednesday's PR that it was alone.
[01:02:07]  They were going to come out and say it was a lone right-winger.
[01:02:09]  Remember, oh, we've got word from Axel Robinson right-winger, but we exposed all the Patsys with all those video and photos right before the bombing.
[01:02:17]  So that's all dumb.
[01:02:18]  But Alex is just reading headlines on Drudge, and this might be a good time to point out something super important that I think we don't bring up enough.
[01:02:25]  And that's how Drudge works.
[01:02:26]  How Drudge works is that he takes existing news stories and links to them.
[01:02:30]  That's the primary function of his site.
[01:02:32]  But that's not why his site is one of the most popular in the right-wing news ecosystem.
[01:02:37]  His site is number one with these dumb-dumbs because he rewrites headlines to fit the narratives that the right-wing pundits are already disseminating.
[01:02:44]  He provides cover in the form of taking sensational stilted link headlines that people like Alex can just repeat and lend their talking points credibility.
[01:02:52]  For instance, let's take one of these headlines Alex is reading.
[01:02:55]  Quote, no doubt brothers not acting alone.
[01:02:58]  That was the link on Drudge, which takes you to an article from the International Business Times.
[01:03:03]  The actual article's headline is, quote, Boston Marathon Bombings, FBI Hunt's Terror Sleeper Cell Linked to Sarnev Brothers.
[01:03:10]  In this article, the International Business Times quotes an article in the Sunday Mirror, which is itself quoting an anonymous source, quote, close to the investigation.
[01:03:18]  The credibility of this source is kind of in question because they say the bombs used at the marathon were, quote, highly sophisticated, and that, quote, agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.
[01:03:31]  Both of these details have been shown to not be the case, which leads me to believe that the Sunday Mirror got some bad info, which is then being reported in the International Business Times, which is then being sensationalized by Drudge, so it could be more easily used by people like Alex.
[01:03:45]  This is the information pipeline.
[01:03:47]  Yeah, Drudge is basically like a word cloud.
[01:03:50]  Yeah.
[01:03:51]  It's like if you go to that and you unfocus your eyes, you can see all the right-wing propaganda lies pulling out like one of those pictures that, you know, one of those illusion ones where you're like, it's a boat.
[01:04:04]  Sure.
[01:04:04]  So the next headline's even worse.
[01:04:07]  Quote, two from Tajikistan in custody.
[01:04:09]  What country is he trying to say there?
[01:04:11]  Is it Tajikistan?
[01:04:14]  The actual country he's talking about is Kazakhstan, which isn't even close to what he said.
[01:04:18]  No.
[01:04:18]  Tajikistan is not Kazakhstan.
[01:04:20]  No.
[01:04:21]  Very different.
[01:04:22]  Alex is talking about Johar's two roommates who were taken in for questioning.
[01:04:26]  They were ultimately arrested and sent to prison for obstruction of justice as they had gone to Johar's dorm room and attempted to help him dispose of evidence, including a laptop and a backpack full of fireworks.
[01:04:37]  There's no evidence of them having any involvement in the planning or execution of the attacks, but they did commit crimes to help their friend evade the law.
[01:04:44]  They both did short stretches in jail and were deported back to Kazakhstan when they were released.
[01:04:48]  I don't think there's anything too suspicious about this, but the way Alex is reporting this is not good.
[01:04:55]  I mean, that's a good roommate, I guess.
[01:04:57]  Sure.
[01:05:00]  I think I would have chosen some different options, such as, I'm fucking out, dude.
[01:05:07]  Bye.
[01:05:08]  Yeah.
[01:05:08]  So we get Alex, you know, along the way, he's just spinning his yarns about, you know, Johar was traked on the scene.
[01:05:18]  He'll never be able to talk again.
[01:05:20]  Right.
[01:05:21]  And it's just exhausting.
[01:05:22]  His throat was ripped out by a tiger.
[01:05:24]  Yep.
[01:05:24]  Yeah.
[01:05:25]  And we now see that Alex is starting to pivot towards blaming Saudi Arabia.
[01:05:30]  Right.
[01:05:30]  Wheel of Fortune.
[01:05:32]  I actually met her once when I was in California.
[01:05:34]  I remember her name.
[01:05:35]  Here we go.
[01:05:35]  I'll spin the Wheel of Fortune and then I will touch it.

=== Giant Improv Bombing (03:02) ===

[01:05:39]  Okay, we're going to nuke the Canary Current off the coast of Africa.
[01:05:42]  That's who did it.
[01:05:44]  The Canary Current is to blame, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:05:48]  I mean, it's, you know, Saudi Arabia supposedly attacks us.
[01:05:52]  Blow up Iraq.
[01:05:53]  Kill a million of them people.
[01:05:54]  Yeah, America.
[01:05:56]  Let's cuss at the baseball game.
[01:05:57]  We're tough.
[01:05:58]  You mess with us, we blow up your country.
[01:06:00]  Here, spin it again.
[01:06:02]  Let's attack the southern hemisphere.
[01:06:04]  Okay, Australia.
[01:06:06]  Nuke Australia.
[01:06:07]  So he's doing a little bit of a riff on like Saudi Arabia did something, so now we're going to attack other people.
[01:06:12]  Yeah, I don't think this bit is working the way that he'd like it to.
[01:06:15]  It's not a great bit.
[01:06:16]  It's foundering.
[01:06:17]  Yeah.
[01:06:17]  So he's established that there was a drill at the marathon, and you'll just see here how he tries to link it to the 7-7 drill conspiracy.
[01:06:26]  And as we've discussed, that was a PowerPoint presentation.
[01:06:29]  Yes.
[01:06:29]  Police saw so many black backpacks with the National Guard and Navy SEALs in plain clothes with black backpacks, part of the drill, which is now confirmed that they have to deny that a real bomb could be slipped through.
[01:06:44]  And that's why you do a drill.
[01:06:46]  They did a drill on 7-7 of the exact trains and exact bus attacked at the exact same time.
[01:06:51]  Wait for it at the exact same location.
[01:06:53]  Don't believe me?
[01:06:54]  Go to YouTube and type in 7-7.
[01:06:57]  It's not good enough.
[01:06:58]  BBC and ITN with the head of Scotland Yard admitting running drills of the exact same place, exact same time being attacked, Peter Powers.
[01:07:07]  He's not the head of Scotland Yard.
[01:07:09]  And again, it's like, well, why would he telling himself?
[01:07:11]  He probably wasn't involved.
[01:07:14]  He's hired to run a drill.
[01:07:16]  And then, oh, man, again, I've seen how they do this over and over again.
[01:07:21]  When you know what he's actually talking about, this just appears to be the saddest bullshit.
[01:07:26]  Yeah.
[01:07:27]  Like, that clip is so, like, it just, you see it clearly.
[01:07:32]  The scales fall from your eyes when you realize this drill that he's talking about with 7-7 is a corporate seminar.
[01:07:40]  It was preceded by a motivational speaker giving fucking performance goals.
[01:07:45]  And a t-shirt camp.
[01:07:46]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:07:46]  He's pretending that it's actually people out on the street in the trains and what have you.
[01:07:52]  And it's like, you can't.
[01:07:54]  Like, it's a giant improv everywhere bombing.
[01:07:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:07:57]  You're eight years after that bombing at this point.
[01:08:01]  You have no excuse to not know this.
[01:08:06]  I understand the day of you just see the CNN or interview with or BBC interview with Mr. Power.
[01:08:13]  You could get it in your head and misunderstand things and then the next day correct yourself.
[01:08:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:08:18]  Eight years later, still lying about this in order to reinforce other lies you're telling.
[01:08:23]  It's just so clear.

=== Glenn Beck's Bee Accusations (15:50) ===

[01:08:25]  I love his exasperation.
[01:08:27]  I've seen him do it so many times.
[01:08:29]  And it's like, no, no, no, no, you've said they've done it so many times.
[01:08:32]  You're boring.
[01:08:34]  You've convinced yourself so many times.
[01:08:36]  Yeah, they are doing different stuff.
[01:08:37]  You're the one saying it's all the same stuff.
[01:08:39]  Yeah.
[01:08:40]  So Alex now knows that the FBI did talk to Tamerlan in 2011.
[01:08:47]  So he's convinced now that when they put out those pictures of the suspects and they didn't know who they were and they needed the public's help identifying them, they were lying.
[01:08:59]  Let's go over some of these headlines.
[01:09:01]  Boston Marathon Bombs, the brothers, interviewed by FBI in 2011, but they're showing you photos of them saying, We don't know who they are.
[01:09:10]  Help us identify them, not help us find them.
[01:09:13]  Who are these people?
[01:09:15]  Oh, you don't know who your little pet projects are, and you're so dumb you release videos showing feds in doorways watching them as they walk by.
[01:09:23]  That's not shown to be true.
[01:09:26]  And like, I don't, I understand why this would be a compelling argument to someone who doesn't think too deeply about things.
[01:09:32]  Yeah.
[01:09:32]  Like, they did talk to them in the past.
[01:09:34]  Yeah.
[01:09:35]  How do they not know who they are?
[01:09:36]  How many fucking people do you think that they have on their radar?
[01:09:41]  Two or three per year.
[01:09:44]  This entire thing with the FSB saying, hey, check out this guy.
[01:09:48]  Yeah.
[01:09:49]  Could have been handled by like two people.
[01:09:51]  Right.
[01:09:52]  They might not remember two years later.
[01:09:55]  The entire FBI went to his apartment.
[01:09:58]  They all gathered around.
[01:09:59]  They all took pictures.
[01:10:00]  They said, remember this face in case something happens two years from now.
[01:10:04]  It's very understandable that they would not see him and be like, aha, I know who that is.
[01:10:09]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:10:10]  If you watch any episode of fucking forensic files, you're like, every goddamn police department has their own database of fingerprints.
[01:10:19]  You don't even know if somebody's fingerprints are in there from fucking.
[01:10:22]  Yeah, they don't remember every face.
[01:10:25]  Tamerlins were on file, and they were able to find that out once he was dead.
[01:10:29]  Yeah, when they had his fucking name.
[01:10:31]  Exactly.
[01:10:31]  Well, that's how they got his name is when they had already taken him to the hospital.
[01:10:38]  So I think that it's very reasonable to assume that the FBI might not know who they are, even though they talked to him before.
[01:10:45]  I do not think that that is some kind of crazy thing.
[01:10:48]  Easily.
[01:10:49]  But look, dude, leaders do false flags.
[01:10:54]  It's just established.
[01:10:56]  Look, man, hey, leaders do false flags.
[01:11:00]  Do you need an example?
[01:11:01]  Yes.
[01:11:01]  Of course, government staged stuff so they can.
[01:11:04]  I mean, Emperor Bomb 18 stages attacks on himself to declare martial law in Star Wars.
[01:11:10]  That's a kids movie.
[01:11:11]  Can people figure this out?
[01:11:15]  You want to take over?
[01:11:16]  Nero wanted to take over and purge the Christians.
[01:11:20]  Okay.
[01:11:21]  So his first example is Emperor Palpatine.
[01:11:24]  Right.
[01:11:24]  So his first example is a kids' movie.
[01:11:28]  Yeah.
[01:11:29]  And his second example is fake history.
[01:11:33]  Good stuff.
[01:11:34]  Okay.
[01:11:34]  Gotcha.
[01:11:35]  Yeah.
[01:11:36]  So those are two concrete examples.
[01:11:38]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:11:39]  It is bad work.
[01:11:41]  So when Alex is veering more towards Saudi Arabia and that sort of narrative and putting some sort of blame that direction, what's interesting is that there's another guy who's doing that too, by the name of Glenn Beck.
[01:11:54]  Sure.
[01:11:54]  Glenn Beck is going hard on Saudi Arabia.
[01:11:58]  Yes, particularly on the guy who the police questioned, who was one of the victims of the bombing, the Saudi Arabian student that we talked about episodes back.
[01:12:07]  Glenn Beck has not left the realm of suspicion about this guy.
[01:12:13]  He is someone who Glenn Beck is focusing on very closely.
[01:12:16]  Oh, that's not good.
[01:12:17]  No, and Alex is sort of seeing like, yeah, he's getting some traffic and mileage out of that.
[01:12:22]  Let's throw him into my bullshit.
[01:12:24]  Yeah.
[01:12:25]  Glenn Beck says Obama is covering up truth of Boston bombing.
[01:12:28]  Yeah.
[01:12:28]  I don't know how to build stuff up.
[01:12:30]  I mean, I just give it to you.
[01:12:31]  It's up on Infowars.com that the guy that we first pointed out, not saying he did anything, was on JewsReport.com.
[01:12:39]  Beck talks to his sources, puts out an article the Drudge also linked to under us, saying update.
[01:12:45]  And right there, they talked to their sources, which I know they have, saying he was a person of interest and was connected to shady people.
[01:12:51]  Now it's in the Saudi press that six of his family are listed as terrorists by the Saudi government.
[01:12:56]  Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but it's in the news.
[01:12:59]  Let me tell you something.
[01:12:59]  I don't link to something until it's in the news.
[01:13:01]  Yeah, you do a good job with that.
[01:13:03]  I don't link to something until it's in the news.
[01:13:06]  What does that mean, 4chan?
[01:13:08]  What does that mean?
[01:13:09]  I don't know.
[01:13:10]  Like, what does that mean?
[01:13:11]  So, while Alex has been a bit more scattershot with his coverage of the Boston bombing and has been shifting his theories to accommodate a whole bunch of different suspects, the same can't really be said for his mortal enemy, Glenn Beck.
[01:13:21]  In between Beck's segments criticizing Alex, so he appears sane in comparison.
[01:13:26]  Glenn has been spending a lot of time working up a conspiracy theory of his own, and it's centered around that Saudi Arabian student who'd been injured in the bombing.
[01:13:33]  I've been very consciously trying to not name people who were caught up in this thing, except when necessary, particularly victims of both the actual bombing and the propaganda surrounding it.
[01:13:45]  I don't feel like they deserve to have their names attached to this tragedy, and leaving them unnamed is something I consider a small act of honoring their right to live a normal life after this misfortune befell them.
[01:13:56]  While we discussed this student in the context of him being questioned, I stuck to that standard.
[01:14:00]  But now that Glenn Beck is involved, I need to get more specific.
[01:14:04]  In the days after the bombing, Glenn said on his show that they'd uncovered information about a, quote, very bad, bad, bad man who he claimed was involved in the attack.
[01:14:13]  It seems like it's a universal trait that right-wing shithead broadcasters really think they're speaking directly to the government on their shows because Glenn made an ultimatum.
[01:14:22]  He made an ultimatum to the government.
[01:14:24]  Yeah.
[01:14:24]  That if the government did not deal with this very bad, bad, bad man appropriately, he would reveal them on his show.
[01:14:31]  He called them, quote, the worst of the worst, and even appeared on Bill O'Reilly's show to spread his accusations further.
[01:14:37]  Naturally, the government didn't respond to how Glenn wanted, so he kept his word and accused Abdul Rahman Al-Harbi of being the money man who facilitated the attack and had given the, quote, go order for the attack.
[01:14:50]  Al-Harbi is the Staudi student who was injured in the bombing.
[01:14:53]  Okay.
[01:14:54]  I assume he sued Glenn Beck for all the money there ever was.
[01:14:58]  We'll get to that.
[01:14:58]  Glenn claimed he had received this info from two DHS sources, but he refused to elaborate or reveal his sources.
[01:15:05]  It's super important to point out, though, that by the time Glenn was making these accusations on air, the FBI had already spoken to Al Harby and had publicly announced he was not involved.
[01:15:14]  So naturally.
[01:15:15]  That's just what they would publicly announce, Dan.
[01:15:18]  True.
[01:15:18]  So naturally, Al Harby sued Glenn Beck in 2014.
[01:15:21]  Good.
[01:15:22]  Glenn tried to argue that Al Harby was a public figure, which would provide some.
[01:15:25]  Really, Glenn?
[01:15:27]  Really, Glenn.
[01:15:28]  Yeah.
[01:15:28]  Glenn, yeah, I'm going to take fucking Sally down the street from me, make a story about her, put her on the news 24-7, and then, yeah, she's technically a public figure.
[01:15:39]  That would provide him some cover for irresponsible reporting.
[01:15:42]  It's way harder to prove defamation against public figures.
[01:15:45]  The judge had no time for that and ruled that Al Harby was absolutely a private figure and returned a decision saying that Beck had to disclose his sources.
[01:15:54]  Naturally, Glenn wasn't going to do that.
[01:15:55]  So he paid an undisclosed amount to settle the case.
[01:15:58]  It's tough to imagine what the amount he paid out was, considering the person he was paying was someone he'd accused of orchestrating a terrorist attack.
[01:16:05]  But I'm certain he'd rather pay any price than have it revealed publicly that he just makes up sources and embellishes what they tell him to an egregious degree.
[01:16:13]  Covering that up is priceless.
[01:16:16]  And if that suit had proceeded, there's little doubt in my mind he would have never been able to go on his dumbass I'm sorry tour after Trump was elected.
[01:16:24]  Nope.
[01:16:25]  I can find no evidence that this Saudi student had a bunch of relatives who were on terrorist lists.
[01:16:29]  It is true that there are a number of people named Al Harbi on the Saudi Arabian watch list, but I can find no actual proof that they're related to this student.
[01:16:37]  They're just a bunch of dumb blogs like I am not ashamed of thegospelofchrist.com, where the only evidence provided is that they have the same surname.
[01:16:45]  Also, who cares?
[01:16:46]  Even if he did have relatives who were terrorists, that wouldn't do shit to prove that he himself is a terrorist.
[01:16:51]  Isn't this show supposed to be about individualism and reject the notion of guilt by association?
[01:16:57]  This is the sort of shit Alex is bringing to the table, citing evidence that Al Harby is a terrorist based on information put out by his arch rival, which ends up getting his arch rival sued.
[01:17:06]  And the rest of it's just a dumb right-wing blog filler.
[01:17:11]  Also, a pretty fun revelation of this lawsuit is that we learned some of Glenn Beck's employees' names, which are pretty strong arguments for nominative determinism or the idea that your name determines what you'll do in life.
[01:17:23]  Lie, fake bullshits.
[01:17:25]  The president of the Blaze at the time was named Joel Cheatwood.
[01:17:29]  And Glenn Beck's producer was named Joe Weasel.
[01:17:32]  Really?
[01:17:34]  God damn it.
[01:17:35]  These are not nicknames either.
[01:17:36]  Nope.
[01:17:37]  This is full-on.
[01:17:38]  I am proud of the weasel name.
[01:17:40]  Legal name.
[01:17:41]  So I am going to work for a literal weasel.
[01:17:44]  Yeah.
[01:17:45]  Gotcha.
[01:17:46]  Yeah.
[01:17:46]  So Glenn Beck gets sued for this.
[01:17:48]  I think Alex is probably on the outskirts of getting himself named in the suit, but, you know, still what he's doing is the same sort of behavior that led to Beck having to pay a bunch of money.
[01:18:01]  So anyway, Alex gets into the drill.
[01:18:04]  There was a drill at the bombing, and here he is.
[01:18:07]  Witnesses on record track coaches, you name it, said they were told a drill.
[01:18:11]  Don't worry about the bags.
[01:18:12]  It's just a drill, which they use to make everybody stand down.
[01:18:15]  Everybody was told, show up with a black backpack so the real backpack can make it in.
[01:18:21]  Exactly.
[01:18:22]  So that's the function of the drill.
[01:18:23]  Everyone's got bags so no one will get caught.
[01:18:26]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:18:27]  But see, here's the thing: it's the old switcheroo, Dan, the old hide the forest inside the tree.
[01:18:32]  Yeah.
[01:18:33]  So here's the thing: all of the evidence that he's citing for it being a drill is imaginary or deeply embellished.
[01:18:40]  So it makes it tough for me to hear this next clip and think he's being sincere.
[01:18:45]  If there wasn't a drill at this, and if there wasn't evidence of the drill, and then the cover-up of the drill, and then him being fine, and then tracheotomy, and he can't talk, and all these other points, and they tried to blame right-wingers, I would say, okay, real crazy's attacked us.
[01:18:59]  And then I'd say, let's not give up our rights for three dead.
[01:19:03]  Honeybees kill 200 plus.
[01:19:05]  All the things Alex is saying there for reasons he thinks something suspicious is up here is they're all completely fake.
[01:19:11]  The evidence that he has that there was a bombing drill is completely blown out of proportion, and he absolutely can't even come close to proving what he's putting out.
[01:19:18]  There isn't evidence of a drill.
[01:19:20]  There are just pictures of civilian, civil support teams that Alex has found on 4chan and written a mystery novel about, imagining that they're secretly Navy SEALs.
[01:19:29]  There wasn't a cover-up of a drill.
[01:19:31]  They're just officials who have no idea what conspiracy bullshit is flying around on the internet, and they aren't really interested in the dumb pictures from 4chan.
[01:19:38]  Not engaging with your conspiracy is not evidence of a cover-up.
[01:19:41]  Joe Har wasn't tracheotomied immediately, as Alex is suggesting.
[01:19:45]  And even if he couldn't talk for a very brief time, he was still able to communicate.
[01:19:48]  Also, he was able to talk within days.
[01:19:50]  He just couldn't talk while he had a throat tube in because he was recovering from a wound to his pharynx.
[01:19:54]  They didn't try to blame right-wingers.
[01:19:56]  Alex just feels like they were going to blame right-wingers and created an elaborate narrative surrounding those pictures from 4chan, where a random person in the shot was anointed the white patsy with zero evidence of anything other than Alex's feelings.
[01:20:08]  Literally, nothing Alex is saying to support his conclusion that the bombing was fake is true.
[01:20:13]  It's just absolute shit.
[01:20:15]  And it's the worst kind of work a person can do.
[01:20:17]  Also, small point here.
[01:20:19]  I hate to be pedantic, but honeybees absolutely do not kill 200-plus people a year.
[01:20:23]  Some decent numbers I found said that hornets, bees, and wasps combined kill about 1.4 per 10 million each year, or approximately 45 people in the United States.
[01:20:35]  Also, comparing the number of people killed in a bombing to the number of people killed by bees is pretty absurd.
[01:20:40]  For one, most people who die from bees are allergic to them, whereas we're all allergic to bombings.
[01:20:44]  Perhaps more importantly, bees are a very important part of our ecosystem, and without them, a lot of plants would die out.
[01:20:50]  The same is not true of people who bomb things.
[01:20:53]  No, no, no.
[01:20:54]  It's like how the Redwoods, you know, the forest fires clear off all the brush and then the Redwoods.
[01:20:59]  If we didn't have bombings, then how would we rebuild our cities, Dan?
[01:21:02]  It's the circle of life.
[01:21:04]  Everybody knows.
[01:21:05]  It's just the ecosystem.
[01:21:06]  We just accept this as part of how, you know, the things work.
[01:21:10]  Sure.
[01:21:10]  I hate him so much for that.
[01:21:13]  That 45 a year is hornets, wasps, and bees combined.
[01:21:17]  I really hate to be pedantic.
[01:21:18]  Yeah, I know.
[01:21:20]  I know you do.
[01:21:21]  I was going to wash over that.
[01:21:22]  That's not all bees.
[01:21:24]  Bees might be like six.
[01:21:26]  It's just so infuriating to listen to him talk on a day like this because all of the bullshit he said, he's saying with such confidence because you're like, oh, well, I guess he must already have proved that.
[01:21:39]  Like the way he wants you to.
[01:21:41]  Yeah, if you hadn't listened to his show for the past five days and then just came in on this and even though you had watched the regular news the whole time, if you just suddenly walked into this show, you're like, oh, shit, he must have proved all this shit because he is really comfortable.
[01:21:55]  The episode where he laid all that out.
[01:21:58]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:21:59]  It's so gaslighting as fuck.
[01:22:02]  100%.
[01:22:04]  100%.
[01:22:05]  I do not believe it's not intentional.
[01:22:07]  No, absolutely not.
[01:22:08]  I can even feel my head just like trying to inch towards there while he's talking, just be like, well, there's something.
[01:22:14]  He can't be this confident without something.
[01:22:17]  And I have to stop and be like, no, he literally has nothing.
[01:22:21]  This is all made up.
[01:22:22]  Yeah.
[01:22:23]  So Alex, at the end here of this 21st, this April 21st episode, he goes to calls, and one of these callers brings up an old article from the Boston Globe.
[01:22:33]  You need to know the power you've got.
[01:22:35]  Yeah, there it is.
[01:22:35]  Marathon is dry run disaster.
[01:22:37]  Wow, Boston Globe 2008.
[01:22:39]  Good job.
[01:22:40]  Good job.
[01:22:41]  That is true human, human intelligence.
[01:22:43]  You on the ground.
[01:22:44]  So, this caller has brought up this article, and Alex has found it.
[01:22:48]  This caller is a human intelligent.
[01:22:50]  Yes.
[01:22:51]  Now, listen to Alex talk about this again.
[01:22:54]  The whole MO of this situation stinks to high heaven.
[01:22:57]  And here we have a Boston Globe article: Marathon is a dry run disaster drill.
[01:23:02]  And we know they were running drills.
[01:23:04]  We've caught them running the drill.
[01:23:07]  Now, I assume he reads the entire article from there.
[01:23:10]  Less important.
[01:23:11]  What did you notice the difference between the two times he read the headline?
[01:23:15]  The first time he read the actual headline, which is, quote, marathon as a dry run disaster.
[01:23:20]  The second time he added the word drill to the headline that isn't there.
[01:23:25]  Okay.
[01:23:26]  That's intentional.
[01:23:27]  All right.
[01:23:27]  That is very intentional.
[01:23:29]  That's cheating.
[01:23:30]  Yeah.
[01:23:30]  That's cheating.
[01:23:31]  You can't do that.
[01:23:32]  Of course not.
[01:23:32]  It's against the.
[01:23:33]  I guess he can.
[01:23:34]  No, you can't do that.
[01:23:35]  There's a foul.
[01:23:36]  Somebody has to call a foul on this, right?
[01:23:38]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:23:39]  Air horn.
[01:23:40]  Yeah, there's a flag on the field.
[01:23:42]  There's something.
[01:23:43]  You can't just add drill to a headline because you're trying to say this was a drill.
[01:23:48]  That is dirty pool.
[01:23:50]  The FCC should have him bleep that shit.
[01:23:53]  I don't give a fuck if he's saying we fucking did it.
[01:23:56]  It should be goddamn bleep the addition to the headline.
[01:24:00]  So beyond that, what Alex is doing is just reading off his headline that one of his callers sent him from the Globe in 2008.

=== Dry Run Disaster (01:38) ===

[01:24:07]  Marathon as a dry run disaster could hardly be better tailored to what he's been putting out, unless you lie and throw drill on the end of the day.
[01:24:15]  That makes it even better.
[01:24:16]  That one really helps.
[01:24:17]  That really helps.
[01:24:18]  However, when this is being brought into the conversation where Alex is arguing that the bombing was a false flag, it's important to discuss the content of the article, not just the headline.
[01:24:26]  The article is an op-ed piece where the author is primarily arguing that a number of public health and safety organizations treat large events like the Boston Marathon or the 4th of July parade as opportunities to heighten their readiness for future calamities.
[01:24:41]  This is not about doing a dry run over a bombing or anything like that.
[01:24:44]  It's about how relationships between medical and law enforcement groups can be forged at large events like this in order that they can work better together.
[01:24:51]  Because as the article says, you don't want to, quote, exchange business cards at the scene of a disaster.
[01:24:57]  In addition to this element, the marathon is perfect for collaborative preparation because it doesn't just take place in Boston.
[01:25:05]  It extends through multiple cities.
[01:25:06]  So by definition, it's an event where intercity coordination is necessary.
[01:25:11]  This article does nothing to prove or even make more plausible any of the arguments Alex is making, but it appears to, based on a few buzzwords in the headline and one Alex is faking, putting in.
[01:25:22]  That's annoying.
[01:25:23]  That's like saying any of those CDC simulations where they try and coordinate with different departments and act as though, okay, here's what a pandemic would start and this is how it would look like.

=== Government's Moral Failure (03:04) ===

[01:25:34]  And let's see if we can simulate a circumstance where we succeed or something like that.
[01:25:39]  Just those existing would be fuel for Alex to be like, see, they're planning the new pandemic.
[01:25:45]  Like, there's nothing you can do.
[01:25:46]  No, no.
[01:25:47]  Unless you just understand how he operates, what he's doing, you get the bigger picture of this bullshit.
[01:25:53]  That's the way to help.
[01:25:54]  Yeah.
[01:25:55]  So Alex ends the show talking about our government.
[01:25:58]  Well, I was born in 1952 in the United States of America.
[01:26:01]  Very, very good, very wonderful country.
[01:26:03]  Well, the reason it was so much better then is you couldn't find many immoral people in government.
[01:26:08]  Now you can find a lot of them.
[01:26:10]  Well, I just heard on RT last night somebody said that, and you know, a trusted source that America was now number one, the most corrupt nation on the planet.
[01:26:21]  You say.
[01:26:22]  Anything the government tells you is most likely a lie.
[01:26:25]  Hmm.
[01:26:26]  Not many immoral people in government back in 1952, you say.
[01:26:30]  I wonder how Alex might be defining his terms on that one.
[01:26:34]  Would it surprise you to learn that the 82nd session of Congress, which included the year 1952, included only two African-American representatives and zero senators?
[01:26:44]  Odd.
[01:26:45]  How about the fact that there was only one woman senator and 10 representatives?
[01:26:49]  Keep in mind, there are 535 members of Congress.
[01:26:53]  Right.
[01:26:53]  This is one area where Congress has really noticeably changed since the 1950s, let's say after the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
[01:27:00]  And a lot of people are super happy about it.
[01:27:03]  One area that makes no sense to point to as a difference between the 1950s and the present day is governmental corruption.
[01:27:09]  There are thousands of examples of representatives and senators behaving in very similarly scandalous ways, going all the way back to the founding of the country.
[01:27:16]  But it's hard to say exactly what Alex considers immoral.
[01:27:19]  Maybe accepting bribes doesn't count as immoral.
[01:27:22]  No, that's not.
[01:27:26]  The idea that there were fewer immoral people in government, the entire government was by its nature immoral.
[01:27:34]  What about Truman Newton in Japan?
[01:27:36]  It was built around discrimination and segregation.
[01:27:39]  The entirety of the government was immoral.
[01:27:41]  I think all Alex is saying is he liked it better when the government was whiter.
[01:27:45]  I think that's all I'm here at that.
[01:27:47]  Yeah, I think we solved that problem.
[01:27:50]  Or I would ask him to explain what he means that's not who's moral.
[01:27:54]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:27:55]  So anyway, we get on to the 22nd.
[01:27:57]  And when Alex comes in here on his Monday show, he lays out the canonical version of what his narrative is about the bombing.
[01:28:08]  Obviously, day one, it happened.
[01:28:09]  I said, let's look for drills.
[01:28:11]  Let's look for stand downs.
[01:28:12]  Let's look for multiple Patsy groups.

=== Firing Holes in Mother Claim (15:23) ===

[01:28:14]  Let's look for setups.
[01:28:17]  Let's follow who they say they believe it is.
[01:28:19]  And the media said it's going to be a right-winger lone wolf.
[01:28:21]  And they said, okay, they've made an arrest.
[01:28:23]  Our word is right-wing, lone wolf.
[01:28:25]  You got owners are going to get the blame.
[01:28:27]  We got you.
[01:28:28]  But because of all the photos out there, I think the evidence is clear.
[01:28:32]  They said, okay, we haven't made an arrest.
[01:28:34]  We're letting the person go.
[01:28:35]  We're shutting the courthouse down.
[01:28:36]  Panic, you know, kick the media out.
[01:28:39]  And then they, the next day, bring out the Patsy photos.
[01:28:43]  So that's moving forward, what it seems like is going to be his.
[01:28:48]  Write that one in stone.
[01:28:50]  That's our final draft right there.
[01:28:52]  Gotcha.
[01:28:52]  So he goes along and he's denying that there was even a firefight in Watertown.
[01:28:57]  He expresses that that didn't happen.
[01:28:59]  Never.
[01:28:59]  And that's largely based on some videos that people have that are incomplete, just sort of partial videos.
[01:29:08]  He goes, you know, he is just strongly arguing that people were forced into lockdown.
[01:29:14]  Like this is like at gunpoint, people forced to stay inside their homes.
[01:29:19]  It's just not true.
[01:29:20]  But you just repeat it over and over again.
[01:29:23]  And eventually people are going to be like, well, that makes sense.
[01:29:27]  So Alex talks about how this whole thing, the lockdown, the shelter-in-place request, didn't really work because only after it ended was the person able to see that there was a guy in his boat.
[01:29:40]  Right.
[01:29:40]  And then the neighbor looks out and sees the boat and sees the blood on it.
[01:29:48]  And, oh, because the lockdown had been lifted.
[01:29:54]  He wouldn't dare go out while the lockdown was on.
[01:29:57]  He sat there and looked at the blood on the boat and everything and waited.
[01:30:00]  And when the lockdown was over, he went out to look and thought he saw somebody in there, so he went and called the police.
[01:30:06]  He followed his orders.
[01:30:08]  Man, I'm telling you, the police announced, you're locked down in Austin.
[01:30:11]  Do not leave your home.
[01:30:12]  You know what?
[01:30:13]  I'm going to go out.
[01:30:14]  I've had enough of the stinking government.
[01:30:18]  You're a big boy.
[01:30:19]  Okay, all right.
[01:30:20]  You're a big boy.
[01:30:21]  Cool.
[01:30:21]  Yeah.
[01:30:23]  So in his mind, this dude is sitting by his back window just staring at the boat, just like, man, I want to do something about this blood-covered boat of mine.
[01:30:32]  But they told me to stay inside, and I obviously can't use my phone from the inside.
[01:30:38]  I keep it outside, of course.
[01:30:40]  So, what are you going to do?
[01:30:40]  Yeah, I just got to stare there until they give the okay to step outside.
[01:30:45]  Yeah.
[01:30:45]  Look, the guy decided to comply with the shelter-in-place request, and when he went outside, he noticed something that he wouldn't see unless he was outside.
[01:30:53]  Who gives a shit?
[01:30:54]  So, Alex has found some video of the police shooting at the boat that Johar was in.
[01:31:00]  Yeah.
[01:31:01]  And he plays the video.
[01:31:03]  And I think that there's something really important to point out here.
[01:31:07]  And we are showing video to TV viewers of what looks like about 20 police firing in mash with 223s and 308 and over and over again into the boat.
[01:31:29]  And then waiting about an hour and 45 minutes for him to bleed to death.
[01:31:35]  By the way, there's even more of this footage, but it has cuss words over it, so you're only seeing about half of it.
[01:31:39]  The sustained fire, where it appears they load and reload their clips three or four times.
[01:31:46]  Alex is absolutely lying.
[01:31:48]  He is replaying that.
[01:31:50]  Yeah.
[01:31:52]  If you actually find videos of the shooting, it lasts a very short time.
[01:31:58]  There's a brief outburst of firing, and then it stops.
[01:32:02]  And everyone's yelling, stop fire, hold your fire, hold your fire.
[01:32:05]  The video that Alex is, or the audio you could tell there, there's shooting, then there's a lull, then there's more shooting, a lull, and more shooting.
[01:32:12]  That does not happen in the real world.
[01:32:16]  Yeah.
[01:32:16]  That is, and he's saying this is about half of it, as if to indicate that they were shooting for a full minute.
[01:32:22]  No, he's talking about a Wild West shootout where people are in different fucking houses across the way and putting their heads out the window and firing three shots and then ducking back in.
[01:32:32]  That's what he's talking about.
[01:32:34]  And it did not happen like that.
[01:32:35]  No.
[01:32:35]  Nothing that I'm saying is to say that the police were in any way within the bounds of good behavior to fire on the boat.
[01:32:42]  But what Alex is doing is completely lying about it.
[01:32:46]  And he has to be lying.
[01:32:48]  In that clip, he played shooting that lasted longer than it did in the real world.
[01:32:54]  There's no way for him to be playing that audio or video without looping it or without playing it twice.
[01:33:00]  That's such an asshole move.
[01:33:01]  Yeah, it absolutely is.
[01:33:02]  And the only reason.
[01:33:03]  And this was before everything was autoplay on Facebook.
[01:33:06]  Yeah.
[01:33:07]  And the only reason to do that is to create a false presentation of what was being done there.
[01:33:14]  Yeah.
[01:33:16]  Seriously, like, come on, guys.
[01:33:17]  Bullets aren't free.
[01:33:19]  What are we doing?
[01:33:20]  I don't like wasting my taxpayer dollars on 30 guys firing 5,000 bullets into a boat.
[01:33:27]  So there was something that happened in the night of the Watertown shootout, and that is that naked guy got arrested who was there on the scene.
[01:33:36]  Sure.
[01:33:37]  In the immediate, there were some theories that were running around that this was actually Tamerlin.
[01:33:43]  And it was not.
[01:33:45]  No one was going straight to time-traveling Terminator.
[01:33:47]  No, no, no, no.
[01:33:48]  Nobody went to Terminator.
[01:33:49]  Not that I'm aware of.
[01:33:50]  Okay.
[01:33:51]  But this was sort of bolstered by Tamerlin's aunt saying that that was him.
[01:33:58]  It was not.
[01:34:00]  But this family member lent all this credibility to being like, he wasn't actually killed there.
[01:34:06]  He was arrested naked.
[01:34:08]  Okay.
[01:34:08]  And this is not true, but here is Alex pushing some of this.
[01:34:12]  You've got the other brother.
[01:34:13]  Reportedly now witnesses are saying, we have these videos up on Infowars.com, that they saw the police run over him and then fill his body full of holes.
[01:34:24]  And the aunt and others are saying that it is video of the older brother, Tamerlin being brought naked into the police car.
[01:34:36]  And then I guess you just stage a firefight and then say that you killed him.
[01:34:42]  If you consult the time stamps of the time that people were showing live footage of the guy being arrested, they do not match up.
[01:34:51]  It was after Tamerlin had already been taken away in an ambulance.
[01:34:54]  Oh, this is bullshit.
[01:34:56]  It's an honest misunderstanding that can be made because there is a superficial visual similarity between this naked guy and Tamerlin, but he was just another suspicious person who was around the scene of the Watertown shootout.
[01:35:09]  And, you know, it's an easy sort of thing, mistake to make.
[01:35:15]  Yeah, and I mean, when they say they filled him full of holes, what they really meant is they force-fed him Shia LaBeouf movies.
[01:35:21]  Right.
[01:35:22]  Good.
[01:35:24]  Man, that was a swing.
[01:35:26]  That was a swing.
[01:35:27]  I went for it.
[01:35:28]  I went for it.
[01:35:28]  I don't know why you went for it.
[01:35:29]  Come on.
[01:35:30]  It had to be there.
[01:35:31]  It had to go.
[01:35:32]  Wow.
[01:35:35]  I thought Swiss cheese might come up with Shia LaBeouf.
[01:35:38]  Shia LaBeouf movie.
[01:35:40]  Impressive.
[01:35:41]  Holes.
[01:35:42]  Impressive.
[01:35:43]  So Alex's narrative now is that they were trying to kill Johar in the boat.
[01:35:48]  They were trying to kill him through the entire manhunt.
[01:35:51]  And that is why they told people not to leave their homes.
[01:35:54]  Now, what was the mission there?
[01:35:56]  Did they go pump tear gas in and say, come out with your hands up?
[01:36:01]  By the way, the witnesses say he didn't shoot at them with his, quote, carbine.
[01:36:05]  He was hiding in there.
[01:36:06]  And they pulled up and they unloaded.
[01:36:12]  Because they were told, kill him.
[01:36:15]  That's why they told the media, you cover this, we're going to kill you.
[01:36:18]  That's why they told citizens, you come out of your house, you're dead.
[01:36:22]  There's no evidence they told that to the citizens or the media.
[01:36:25]  Alex is making all of this up.
[01:36:27]  He's just decided that their mission was to kill Johar.
[01:36:30]  And that's not anything that he has any reason to report.
[01:36:34]  He doesn't have that from any official channel.
[01:36:36]  He's just assuming in the same way that he saw those pictures on 4chan and created an entire fantasy narrative out of it.
[01:36:42]  He's just decided as what they were told.
[01:36:44]  And it's constantly changing.
[01:36:46]  Everything is constantly changing.
[01:36:48]  On the 19th, when we listened to that episode, the manhunt or the lockdown was in order to find the fake seals from the pictures on 4chan and clean that whole thing up.
[01:36:58]  Now it's we got to kill Johar.
[01:37:00]  Like, it's ridiculous.
[01:37:02]  You know, I imagine that Alex has to be a little bit disappointed that he's still supporting Trump just because he could have used butt-dialing Giuliani as his source.
[01:37:12]  Giuliani butt-dialed me, and he said give them the order to kill him.
[01:37:15]  It would be perfect.
[01:37:16]  It's there.
[01:37:17]  It's all there.
[01:37:17]  The butt-dialing Giuliani, you can lie about anything with that because it's believable now.
[01:37:23]  Yeah.
[01:37:24]  So this next clip, I believe, is important here because it shows a harsh ad pivot that Alex is doing.
[01:37:33]  And again, babies are being aborted everywhere, including babies that can be adopted.
[01:37:38]  But oh, the media doesn't cry for them.
[01:37:40]  The media doesn't get sad for them.
[01:37:42]  It's only these three people that are dead, which they use as psychological trauma to scare everyone into going along with this tyranny.
[01:37:52]  By the way, we're almost sold out of the March issue of What's the Planet hoax?
[01:37:56]  You want to put it in bulk?
[01:37:57]  It exposes stage terror.
[01:37:59]  That's very familiar ad pivoting, but he's selling his magazine because he doesn't have his line of supplements yet.
[01:38:06]  So this is a bizarre feeling of development because he's saying that in the same time that he's talking about the globalists using psychological fear to get you to do what they want, he's trying to scare you about the globalists to get you to sell by his magazine.
[01:38:25]  It's very weird.
[01:38:27]  So anyway, Alex is certain that this is a cover-up and a false flag, and here is what that cover-up will lead to.
[01:38:33]  One thing is certainly clear.
[01:38:35]  There is a massive cover-up going on surrounding the bombings of last Monday.
[01:38:41]  And another thing is, sure, politically, they're going to use this to try to ban black powder or restrict its purchase.
[01:38:47]  Again, somebody does something bad, so we all lose our rights.
[01:38:49]  That's called authoritarianism.
[01:38:51]  You don't punish the individual, you punish the group.
[01:38:54]  It didn't happen.
[01:38:54]  I mean, that's not called authoritarianism.
[01:38:57]  And it didn't happen.
[01:38:57]  And it didn't happen.
[01:38:58]  So cool.
[01:38:59]  Check that off the list.
[01:39:00]  Yeah, we're good.
[01:39:01]  I'm certain this is going to be used to outlaw black powder.
[01:39:04]  Didn't happen.
[01:39:05]  Okay.
[01:39:05]  So Alex is certain that this is a false flag.
[01:39:08]  And it's not just him.
[01:39:09]  It's everyone Alex trusts.
[01:39:11]  And he says that and then struggles to come up with anybody's name.
[01:39:15]  Everyone I respect, like Joel Skousen and people like Joel Skousen.
[01:39:24]  Well, I mean, there's so many folks out there saying it has all the signs of false flag, but Steve Pieczenik, you name it, or saying this thing stinks to high heaven.
[01:39:33]  So your example is Joel Skousen.
[01:39:35]  Murderer's row of experts, Dan.
[01:39:37]  Joel Skousen, very long pause.
[01:39:39]  Long pause.
[01:39:40]  Then Steve Pieczenik, who we now know is on the outs.
[01:39:44]  We don't even have a Leah Zagame coming in.
[01:39:46]  No, he doesn't know Leo at this point.
[01:39:48]  So Alex has a new wrinkle here on this April 22nd episode.
[01:39:53]  That is, a story has come out about the FBI calling Tamerlin after the bombing.
[01:40:02]  Oh, no.
[01:40:02]  And Kurt Nemo's got a big article coming out soon with a whole boil down with their intelligence connections.
[01:40:09]  And that ties in with Steve Watson's article, Mother of Suspected Bomber claims FBI called Eldest Son after bombing before fatal shootout.
[01:40:18]  British media report claims FBI spoke with Tamerlin and said they knew he'd carried out the bombing.
[01:40:26]  And that is being reported about Channel 4 News in Britain.
[01:40:28]  Yeah, when the mother instantly said, intelligence services, they would not leave my son alone.
[01:40:34]  So the idea that the FBI called Tamerlin in the days after the bombing is supported by literally nothing other than a claim by the Sarnev brothers' parents, who were in active defense mode.
[01:40:44]  Their interviews in the days after their children's photos were released could all boil down to something like, our children could never do something like this, which is a natural parental reaction.
[01:40:53]  You see it commonly in the cases of people, you know, parents of people who do horrible things, because it's very damaging to your sense of self to imagine that someone you raised could do something like bomb a marathon.
[01:41:03]  I tend not to give those comments too much weight unless they're supported by backing evidence, which is just absent in this case.
[01:41:09]  And this is a situation where proving this would be pretty easy, as investigators poured over Tamerlin's phone records to try and identify possible accomplices.
[01:41:17]  Even the Channel 4 article that Alex is basing this on doesn't treat the story as being substantiated.
[01:41:22]  From this article, quote, the telephone call claim raises a number of questions.
[01:41:27]  On the one hand, the claim could be false.
[01:41:29]  It follows suggestions by both parents that the FBI had been monitoring Tamerlin for years and could be part of efforts to defend the brothers.
[01:41:36]  Another possibility is that the telephone call was Tamerlin preparing his mother for bad news.
[01:41:42]  Because Tamerlin told her, allegedly, that the FBI called.
[01:41:46]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:41:46]  The article very explicitly treats this as something that might be true, but there's no proof.
[01:41:51]  It's all good and well to discuss something like this as a claim being made by a traumatized mother, but it's very inappropriate to treat it as if it's established fact or even something likely to be true.
[01:42:00]  And that is what Alex is doing.
[01:42:02]  There's a very important distinction that Alex is trying to play both sides of in this very clip that we just listened to.
[01:42:08]  The headline from Steve Watson's story is fine because it's saying that Tamerlin's mother made this claim.
[01:42:13]  But Alex then goes on to say that a British report claims the FBI spoke to Tamerlin after the bombing, and that is an absolute lie.
[01:42:21]  The British report says that Tamerlin's mother said it.
[01:42:24]  It in no way claims that the FBI spoke to Tamerlin.
[01:42:27]  This is the sort of sleight of hand Alex does all the time.
[01:42:29]  It's how he's able to subtly change elements of a story without people really noticing.
[01:42:34]  And you could pretend that it's a minor shift in the story, but it's not.
[01:42:37]  One claim is that this mother made the claim.
[01:42:40]  The other is that the British media is reporting that the mother's claims are correct, and the FBI did talk to Tamerlin after the bombing.
[01:42:46]  It's an attempt to prove the mother's claim by appealing to a source that doesn't prove that.
[01:42:51]  This is a deeply dishonest act, and you probably wouldn't do something like this unless you were trying to mislead people.
[01:42:56]  So it just, I mean, the evidence just keeps piling up of his just shifty behavior.
[01:43:01]  This is really, really bad.
[01:43:03]  Yeah.
[01:43:03]  This is really, really, really bad.
[01:43:06]  This is out of character bad even for, I think, most of our coverage of Alex.
[01:43:13]  This is one of the most aggressively...
[01:43:16]  Yeah, condensed is a good way of putting it.
[01:43:18]  He is throwing so many lies at so many walls.
[01:43:21]  Well, because he has the opportunity to.

=== Lockdown and Lockups (00:59) ===

[01:43:23]  Right.
[01:43:23]  These circumstances don't present themselves very often.
[01:43:26]  Right.
[01:43:26]  This is just rapid fire.
[01:43:28]  This is.
[01:43:29]  Yeah.
[01:43:29]  So Alex talks about a little bit more about how that lockdown and the shelter in place stuff was really just to find Johar and kill him.
[01:43:38]  It was citizens that found your Patsy after your lockdown was lifted.
[01:43:42]  You couldn't find him to kill him, just like you did the brother.
[01:43:47]  And so you lifted it going, okay, let the slaves find it.
[01:43:50]  But then the media could then move the media you'd threatened to kill so they got a bird's eye view so you couldn't finish the killing.
[01:43:57]  Now you're drugging him up out of his mind to confess he did it, just like the so-called Aurora shooter.
[01:44:02]  This is all made up.
[01:44:03]  That's crazy.
[01:44:04]  This is all just imagine.
[01:44:05]  This is just Alex making a narrative and a storyline out of disparate pieces of information.

=== Professional Refugees Misunderstood (03:44) ===

[01:44:10]  I'm tired of getting cornered by the guy doing Coke at the party.
[01:44:13]  What is he doing?
[01:44:14]  That's what he's doing.
[01:44:15]  Now, what you got to know is you guys are afraid that they're going to come to my house and they're going to never.
[01:44:21]  Okay.
[01:44:23]  So Alex has two guests on the show on the 22nd, and I'm going to say up top, they're both pieces of shit.
[01:44:29]  Right.
[01:44:29]  The first of them is Wayne Madsen, the guy who told Alex that, what was it, Hillary Clinton's chef who died had a note attached to him that said call Larry Nichols.
[01:44:38]  Hell yeah.
[01:44:39]  So he's the origin of the Call Larry Nichols.
[01:44:41]  This is one of our founding members.
[01:44:44]  This guy now hates Alex Jones and thinks he's a liar and a charlatan.
[01:44:49]  I wonder why.
[01:44:50]  That's great.
[01:44:51]  So here's Wayne talking about the Sarnev brothers.
[01:44:55]  And many of these people I call them professional refugees, including the Sarniev family.
[01:45:01]  The Sarnia family, the young boy first came over here in 2002, apparently got his residency, his asylum.
[01:45:11]  By the way, I'll just say it off a gut feeling.
[01:45:14]  The dad looks like a classic intelligence operative.
[01:45:17]  He just screams, on top.
[01:45:19]  What do you say?
[01:45:20]  So, you know, he's talking about like Chechen refugees.
[01:45:25]  Yeah.
[01:45:26]  And at another point, he talks about how he's noticed that they're all in Washington, D.C. and Boston.
[01:45:32]  And it's all bullshit.
[01:45:34]  There are very few Chechens in the United States.
[01:45:37]  Most of them find it much easier to emigrate to European countries.
[01:45:40]  So the communities in those countries are much larger.
[01:45:42]  It's a complicated question as to why there are not as many refugees of Chechen descent in the United States, but some have pointed to it being an expensive trip to make to apply to asylum.
[01:45:52]  Here, that's a pretty large factor.
[01:45:54]  Another is that there weren't very many Chechens here.
[01:45:56]  So Chechens are much less likely to end up choosing to flee to the United States, where there are fewer fellow Chechens who can help them with the transition process of living in a new country.
[01:46:06]  Yeah, a little self-selection, a little economics, a little, yeah.
[01:46:10]  Whatever the case, there are not many Chechens as a whole in the United States.
[01:46:13]  Some estimates have put it as low as a couple hundred in the entire country.
[01:46:17]  No shit.
[01:46:18]  But it's hard to know for sure since many may be identifying as Russian in their country of origin documents.
[01:46:25]  My point here is that Wayne Madsen's point is kind of dumb.
[01:46:28]  He says that D.C. and Boston are cities with Chechens are surrounding, like they're the most prevalent in.
[01:46:36]  Right, right.
[01:46:37]  They are cities that have some Chechen populations, but they're tiny, relatively speaking.
[01:46:41]  And those cities aren't the only places where Chechen folks live.
[01:46:44]  They're cities that he's chosen from a list of cities with Chechen communities because it's where all the FBI stuff is and where the bombing happened.
[01:46:53]  There are also notable Chechen populations in Seattle, New York, Los Angeles, and New Jersey.
[01:46:57]  But Wayne hand waves those away to draw focus to the cities that he wants to build suspicion about.
[01:47:03]  And here's the thing.
[01:47:05]  This isn't just a conspiracy.
[01:47:06]  This is overt xenophobia.
[01:47:08]  Putting forth this kind of thing where you're trying to imply that refugees from this particular heritage are somehow nefariously clustered, it serves to make your listeners suspicious of all Chechens.
[01:47:18]  This is a very small group who are pretty vulnerable from a numbers and social capital standpoint.
[01:47:22]  Trying to create the perception that they might become to the United States as, quote, professional refugees and may be up to no good is an explicit act of marginalization of a community based on their ethnic origin.
[01:47:33]  And that seems pretty fucked up.
[01:47:35]  These Chechen Americans were just as affected by the bombing as anyone else, possibly even more so, since they had to fear that people would do exactly what Wayne Madsen is doing here, trying to tie their heritage to a terrorist act.

=== Rice Attack Theory (03:47) ===

[01:47:46]  In the strongest possible terms, fuck this.
[01:47:50]  Wayne sucks.
[01:47:51]  Yeah, there should be a picture of him next to Scapegoat.
[01:47:54]  Like, Jesus Christ.
[01:47:56]  Yeah, this angle is real bad.
[01:47:58]  That's fucking terrible.
[01:48:00]  So Alex has had Steve Pieczenik on, who's given the motive for the pulling off this false flag as being the imaginary bipartisan congressional committee that indicted Obama for war crimes.
[01:48:11]  They did it.
[01:48:13]  Wayne, they got it.
[01:48:14]  Wayne has his own motives.
[01:48:15]  Bottom line, what do you think really happened here?
[01:48:18]  Because they were getting ready to blame it on the Tea Party.
[01:48:20]  They said we have somebody arrested.
[01:48:21]  They were going to be at the courthouse.
[01:48:24]  Then they shut that down.
[01:48:25]  They acted very panicked.
[01:48:27]  Don't look at these other photos, the FBI said.
[01:48:29]  That's word for word.
[01:48:31]  Only look at these.
[01:48:32]  Now, the mother says they were calling him before and after the bombing and then right before the fatal shootout.
[01:48:40]  What is your inside intel on Capitol Hill?
[01:48:43]  They needed another dramatic, not as big as 9-11, but they needed something to spur on the passage of this CISPA Act.
[01:48:51]  I call this the Patriot Act for the Internet.
[01:48:54]  This is going to give the law enforcement intelligence carte blanche access to everybody's interaction with anything electronic.
[01:49:02]  And to plant stuff on you.
[01:49:03]  More important, to plant stuff on you.
[01:49:05]  Yeah, and then we had the Rice and attack instead of Anthrax.
[01:49:08]  That was the same playbook.
[01:49:10]  Rice and attack completely unrelated.
[01:49:12]  A guy trying to set up an Elvis impersonator who he had a rivalry with.
[01:49:16]  What a wild story that was.
[01:49:17]  Yeah.
[01:49:17]  So Wayne believes that the bombing was done to pass CISPA, or the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, also known as H.R. 3523 in the 112th Congress, H.R. 624 in the 113th, and H.R. 234 in the 114th.
[01:49:32]  All of these attempts to pass the bill failed, with or without any supposed false flag bombings.
[01:49:37]  In December 2015, the GOP included an amended version called CISA, CISA, into the budget bill, and Obama signed it into law.
[01:49:46]  You may remember December 2015 is one of the many times that the GOP, under Mitch McConnell, had tried to force a shutdown of the government if he couldn't get his way.
[01:49:54]  In this case, there was a big holdup with them trying to put defunding of Planned Parenthood into the budget bill, which they were unable to do.
[01:50:01]  They were, however, able to slide in CISA.
[01:50:04]  There's no need for the government to stage terrorist attacks to push through unpopular legislation.
[01:50:08]  Alex's buddies like Ted Cruz are more than willing to hold the government hostage to do that on their own.
[01:50:14]  So now we've got two bullshit theories as to the motive for the false flag.
[01:50:17]  Pushing through CIPA, which didn't happen, and Steve Pieczenik's imaginary bipartisan congressional committee that indicted Bush and Obama of war crimes.
[01:50:25]  Nothing that these people are saying means anything.
[01:50:27]  They're just making shit up.
[01:50:31]  It's not okay.
[01:50:33]  I know you probably get tired of that.
[01:50:36]  It's just not okay.
[01:50:37]  No, it's not.
[01:50:38]  You can't just do that.
[01:50:39]  It wouldn't even occur to me to just riff out the news.
[01:50:43]  And CISPA is just reality.
[01:50:44]  Just riff it.
[01:50:45]  No, yes, it's awful.
[01:50:47]  I tip my hat to Alex being against it.
[01:50:50]  But that's Alex against it.
[01:50:52]  Oh, yeah.
[01:50:54]  And, you know, and David Knight is particularly against it as well.
[01:50:58]  I think that's a solid position to have, but it doesn't justify this.
[01:51:03]  No.
[01:51:04]  No.
[01:51:05]  So, anyway, Alex, by this point now, has learned that there's an explanation for the people in his pictures that he found on 4chan and that they were National Guard civil support team members.

=== Solving Conspiracies (15:45) ===

[01:51:16]  By the way, now they're trying to claim those are National Guard.
[01:51:18]  There were some National Guard dressed the same, but there were people wearing craft hats there as well.
[01:51:23]  You could tell the difference between National Guard were wearing the camouflage uniforms and the craft guys were wearing these khaki pants and these vests.
[01:51:33]  Nope.
[01:51:33]  Well, that solves it.
[01:51:34]  Not true.
[01:51:35]  See how it works?
[01:51:37]  He solved it.
[01:51:37]  See, he just said one thing, and so I believe him.
[01:51:40]  It's done.
[01:51:40]  We're done.
[01:51:41]  Now you take this entirely terrible work that they've done, insisting these people are Navy SEALs, when in reality, they were part of these civil support teams, and they have now taken the truth and hand-waved it away.
[01:51:54]  Yeah.
[01:51:54]  Nap.
[01:51:55]  Nope.
[01:51:56]  No, of course not.
[01:51:58]  You're getting it wrong.
[01:52:00]  This is how you solidify your narrative from any kind of possible infiltration of reality.
[01:52:06]  It's so frustrating.
[01:52:07]  So Wayne's gone now, and he can stay gone for all I'm concerned.
[01:52:12]  And Alex decides to take a little time to plug a new station that's signed up to air his show.
[01:52:18]  And it might be good on these plug sheets if they give me the frequency.
[01:52:25]  Hey, John, will you give me the frequency?
[01:52:27]  I mean, I'm giving people the call letters, but hell, I can do it.
[01:52:30]  I can go to Radio Locator and do it.
[01:52:32]  It's like I'll get ad copy I'm going to write and say, here's your ad, and it just says the name.
[01:52:36]  It's like, you write it.
[01:52:37]  You know, you do everything, Jones.
[01:52:39]  People want me to come, I guess, into the bathroom and become groom of the stool or something, too.
[01:52:43]  I can do all the butt wiping around here.
[01:52:46]  11:60 a.m., ladies and gentlemen.
[01:52:49]  Excuse me, David.
[01:52:51]  That's a good way to introduce this hour.
[01:52:53]  Family show.
[01:52:54]  I apologize, folks.
[01:52:55]  I'm not complaining.
[01:52:55]  It's all the time.
[01:52:56]  It's like, they're a plug-distance station.
[01:52:58]  Oh, yes.
[01:53:00]  Did you say 1630?
[01:53:02]  It's good to know this has been a family show all along.
[01:53:06]  I love the petty workplace office scriping and just coming out on air.
[01:53:12]  That is every office where that is everybody who has ever worked in an office at least one day have been like, really?
[01:53:18]  I'm getting this many emails?
[01:53:20]  Do you guys not know how to figure it out your goddamn selves?
[01:53:23]  Go ahead and do everything right here.
[01:53:24]  Yeah, except it's on the fucking radio.
[01:53:27]  So Alex is convinced that the FBI knew who the Sarnev brothers were when they released the suspect photos.
[01:53:33]  And then he goes on and just tells his version of the manhunt.
[01:53:37]  And some of this is a little bit repetitive.
[01:53:39]  We've heard clips like this, but I think it's important to understand that what Alex is doing is, first of all, being repetitive to his audience to drive home his narrative.
[01:53:49]  And then secondarily, he's practicing.
[01:53:51]  He's practicing hitting these points.
[01:53:54]  And now it's just hands down the FBI knew who they were when they put their picture up.
[01:54:00]  And then called them up, if the mother's accurate, and said, we're going to come on by and get you.
[01:54:05]  And then they, for whatever reason, drugged him up or had already shot him, laid him out, ran over him, and then shot him up a bunch more.
[01:54:16]  And then they wanted that other brother bad.
[01:54:18]  And they tried to kill him, but media had gotten their cameras on it, so they were unable, after shooting hundreds of rounds into it, when he actually got up.
[01:54:25]  Oh, my goodness, you know, he's unarmed with his hands up.
[01:54:28]  Don't worry, we'll get him in the tent.
[01:54:31]  Get medical personnel over here to help him out.
[01:54:34]  But it was a little too obvious to me to die on the spot.
[01:54:37]  They made the call.
[01:54:37]  Hey, the kid doesn't know the whole story.
[01:54:40]  We'll try.
[01:54:41]  So this is all just made up.
[01:54:43]  This is, again, just Alex's imagination of what happened.
[01:54:46]  I don't understand why anybody would take this.
[01:54:49]  I mean, I do understand why people would take it seriously.
[01:54:51]  It's very convincing.
[01:54:54]  Let me take that again.
[01:54:54]  I think I could do that a little bit smoother.
[01:54:56]  Yellow leather.
[01:54:58]  Yellow.
[01:54:58]  Okay, we're going to do this one more time.
[01:54:59]  I want to tell this story.
[01:55:01]  I really want to get this story right.
[01:55:03]  He has the emotionally compelling presentation of someone who knows what they're talking about.
[01:55:08]  And it's very easy to be duped into thinking his confidence is competence.
[01:55:14]  So some videos had surfaced by this point of police taking people out of homes to search them.
[01:55:21]  And Alex has a position on this.
[01:55:23]  And I have some thoughts.
[01:55:24]  That's great.
[01:55:25]  And now in Boston, the videos are emerging where they would just go door to door and say, come out and have families, you know, with their children, you name it, come out with their hands up, and the cops would get in their face and grab on them.
[01:55:38]  And I'm telling you, it's illegal, it's unlawful, it's martial law.
[01:55:41]  So Alex is absolutely correct that there were videos going around of people being let out of their homes by police with guns.
[01:55:47]  There's no real indication of the police threatening them in any way, nor the police aiming their guns at these civilians, but the people do have their hands up.
[01:55:55]  From the videos I've seen, it seems more likely that this is an orderly process that the police are, you know, it's not that they're yelling at them to submit, but I can't be certain.
[01:56:04]  Are these even actually from that?
[01:56:06]  Yeah.
[01:56:06]  Oh, okay.
[01:56:07]  All right.
[01:56:08]  Because my first instinct is like, these are actually from six years ago.
[01:56:12]  Oh, they're real.
[01:56:13]  Okay.
[01:56:13]  I wasn't there, and I don't know what videos Alex has seen and hasn't seen.
[01:56:17]  I can't really speak on those sorts of things.
[01:56:19]  I can just tell you what I've seen.
[01:56:20]  Oh, and I can also speak about one other thing, and that is that every single one of these people whose homes are searched during the manhunt gave the police permission to search their homes.
[01:56:29]  You can make the argument that given the fever pitch in the city, that these people felt like they couldn't tell the police that they couldn't search their homes, and then in some way that, you know, that's a form of pressure for them to give up their Fourth Amendment rights.
[01:56:41]  You could make the argument that they might have felt like there would be consequences if they didn't consent to the police searching their homes, like that might make them appear suspicious if they didn't.
[01:56:50]  And these were the exact sort of questions that a certain group was exploring in late April 2013.
[01:56:55]  And it's a group that Alex fucking hates.
[01:56:57]  That group, of course, is the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU.
[01:57:01]  They'd seen the same videos that everyone else had seen and made very public statements that they would like to speak to any citizen who felt like they were put in a position where they couldn't say no to a police search.
[01:57:11]  Speaking to The Atlantic, Carol Rose, the executive director of the ACLU of Massachusetts, said that their organization had, quote, received a number of concerned complaints from people about the searches that took place, including some residents of Watertown.
[01:57:24]  None, however, from people whose homes had been searched.
[01:57:28]  I've looked, and I can find no evidence that anyone actually affected by the searches has ever lodged a formal complaint or filed suit claiming that their rights were violated.
[01:57:37]  All the noise that's been talked about this issue comes from people who saw the videos or looked at the optics and made their own decisions about it.
[01:57:44]  These observers are making a gigantic mistake.
[01:57:46]  And it's them trying to assume that they know the decisions that these actual people whose homes are being searched are making.
[01:57:52]  Many of them were probably totally fine with the search.
[01:57:55]  Some of them probably uncomfortable, but understood it was for the best, so they consented.
[01:57:59]  This is right-wing virtue signaling, pure and simple.
[01:58:02]  Just getting mad on other people's behalf.
[01:58:04]  If one of these citizens had filed a case and Alex wanted to support their claim and draw attention to it, that's one thing.
[01:58:09]  But he doesn't even have a particular case to point to.
[01:58:12]  All he's saying is, if that was me in that video, I wouldn't be okay with it.
[01:58:15]  Yeah.
[01:58:16]  And fine.
[01:58:16]  That's an okay thing to think, but it doesn't help us establish that the police are acting unconstitutionally.
[01:58:22]  So, whatever.
[01:58:23]  They were, you know, they're like vampires.
[01:58:25]  You have to invite them in.
[01:58:26]  Those are the rules.
[01:58:27]  Well, that is Alex, his magical rule.
[01:58:29]  Yeah.
[01:58:30]  Greater lesser magic.
[01:58:32]  Yes.
[01:58:33]  So now we get to our second piece of shit guest of the day, and that's Joel Skousen.
[01:58:37]  Hey, we got the Skousen.
[01:58:39]  We got the Scowlin Skousen in here.
[01:58:41]  Who Alex has already said believes is a false flag.
[01:58:44]  And we know that because this fucking dude thinks everything's a false flag.
[01:58:48]  Anyway, here's Joel.
[01:58:50]  I think, Alex, it's very clear that the two brothers were involved in some type of false flag training and operation.
[01:59:00]  But it was clear to them that when they showed up and when the bombs went off and they fled, and by the way, we have video of the younger brother fleeing with his backpack on him, so we know that what the FBI said about him dropping his pack could not have been true.
[01:59:16]  What a shock.
[01:59:17]  Joel Skousen thinks something's a false flag.
[01:59:19]  This guy is a broken record.
[01:59:21]  Literally everything that has ever happened in the world is part of some grand conspiracy to him.
[01:59:26]  It's so fucking funny that Alex presents him as an expert in any field other than saying things are false flags.
[01:59:32]  I'll concede that he's got that down better than anyone else I've ever seen.
[01:59:35]  In the days just after the bombing, Skousen was on his show, on Alex's show, and he said that this had the signs of a false flag.
[01:59:41]  And now he's upgraded his confidence level.
[01:59:43]  I don't give a shit about any of that because here's the thing: Joel Skousen is a goddamn liar.
[01:59:48]  He said in that clip there's a video of Johar leaving the area of the Boston bombing, still carrying his bag, and that is a complete lie.
[01:59:55]  There is no video or pictures of this.
[01:59:57]  He is just full of shit.
[01:59:58]  And I actually know what he's talking about, but he's trying to hide.
[02:00:02]  On April 19th, the Associated Press released a picture of Johar fleeing the scene of the crime.
[02:00:07]  The picture was taken by a businessman from Florida named David Greene, who had finished the marathon about an hour before the bombs went off.
[02:00:14]  He hung around the finish line to watch the waves of runners come in, but his phone was dying.
[02:00:19]  So he went to a charging station, and as he was returning to his friends, the blasts happened.
[02:00:24]  He saw a chaotic scene, so he took a picture and then immediately started helping people.
[02:00:29]  A friend texted him to ask if he was okay, and Green replied by sending the picture and saying that he was right there.
[02:00:35]  When the FBI released the pictures of the suspects, this friend reviewed the picture to see if there was anything unusual in it.
[02:00:41]  And he saw Johar in the lower left corner.
[02:00:44]  He told Green, who sent the picture off to the FBI.
[02:00:47]  He then contacted the AP, who vetted the picture and released it.
[02:00:50]  This picture clearly shows Johar without his backpack.
[02:00:54]  But internet sleuths decided that someone must have photoshopped the image to take out the backpack.
[02:00:59]  There's no evidence that this is...
[02:01:00]  You can't do that!
[02:01:01]  There's no evidence that this is the case.
[02:01:04]  And the same original, high-resolution image was submitted to the AP and the FBI.
[02:01:09]  The conspiracy theorists can't quite decide who to blame, whether it was Green or the FBI who did the photoshopping.
[02:01:15]  But the result was a good number of internet bullshit targeting David Green as possibly being in on a terrorist attack that killed his fellow citizens.
[02:01:22]  Like for real.
[02:01:23]  This is repulsive shit.
[02:01:24]  God, these fuckers are like the eye of Sauron.
[02:01:27]  Like once the eye is on you, it's all of their power combined onto this fucking God because you can find out if it's photoshopped.
[02:01:37]  It's not even that hard if you have technical ability with it.
[02:01:41]  And instead, they just wave it away and just say, nope, it was Photoshop.
[02:01:45]  I'm done.
[02:01:45]  And this is what Skousen is talking about when he says that there's a video of Johar leaving with his bag.
[02:01:50]  There isn't.
[02:01:51]  There's an unhinged, completely unproven internet conspiracy about how a picture of Johar without his bag is photoshopped.
[02:01:58]  This coward doesn't even have the wherewithal to present his bullshit sincerely.
[02:02:01]  Just keep hiding behind lies so the weakness of your evidence doesn't show too clearly.
[02:02:05]  It's bullshit.
[02:02:07]  But I mean, it feels like even if you pointed that out, he'd be like, aha, the evidence is that there isn't a video of him without his backpack.
[02:02:14]  Like, what?
[02:02:15]  What are you fucking talking about?
[02:02:17]  Try that angle.
[02:02:17]  Yeah, well, they photoshopped it out of the video, too.
[02:02:20]  And it's like, well, then fine.
[02:02:21]  Magic is real.
[02:02:22]  Whatever.
[02:02:22]  Yeah.
[02:02:23]  So Alex has been sort of trying to softly and subtly go from.
[02:02:30]  Tamerlin's mother says that the FBI called to it's truth that, and Joel Skousen's going to help out quite a bit with that because he's just treating that FBI call as a fact.
[02:02:41]  I think it was interesting though, that the police or the FBI called a couple of days after that and and and talked to them and, and yet they didn't arrest them immediately, and I don't know if they wanted them to flee.
[02:02:58]  I'm still unclear Alex, what this MIT cop had to do or the carjacking had to do with this.
[02:03:05]  So the FBI call is not an established fact.
[02:03:09]  And guess what?
[02:03:10]  The carjacking and the murder of the MIT cop make perfect sense outside of your conspiracy.
[02:03:15]  Yeah, they make absolute sense with reality.
[02:03:18]  Yeah, why are you?
[02:03:20]  Why are you considering I'm still trying to make up a narrative around why that stuff makes sense within my conspiracy theory, because if I were to like I mean, there are obviously reasons that those would make sense, but not within the context of what I'm telling you is true, that's deeply overcomplicating.
[02:03:34]  Things really got to figure out whether or not the the moon hit the mirror right and that's what sent the MIT cop to kill himself.
[02:03:42]  Yeah, and then they I don't know.
[02:03:44]  So Alex lays out the conspiracy here again and again.
[02:03:49]  I want to stress, I believe that this is him practicing telling the story.
[02:03:53]  They were saying White House officials, former White House officials, Axelrod and others.
[02:03:59]  Tuesday night they said, look it's, it's gonna be lone wolf domestics by themselves by Wednesday.
[02:04:04]  They said we got them a big announcement, it's gonna be the tea party.
[02:04:07]  They had a celebration on MSNBC, CNN.
[02:04:09]  I have the clips, I played them.
[02:04:11]  They said yeah, this is gonna look like it's lone wolf right wing, because they can't help but brag to themselves.
[02:04:16]  And then something that we and others the the the, that became the number one thing searched on the web that day uh, put out, freaked them out.
[02:04:22]  They withdraw it.
[02:04:23]  They say okay, there hadn't been an arrest.
[02:04:25]  They evacuate the courthouse where it's at, army vehicles drive in, drive out.
[02:04:29]  There's a panic, they throw all the media out.
[02:04:31]  And then the next uh day, they release thursday, the photos and say, look at nothing else.
[02:04:37]  Is this a false flag?
[02:04:39]  That completely blew up in their face and they had to switch to a backup plan?
[02:04:43]  That's a question.
[02:04:44]  Well, not knowing the the complexities of this, I know that they're ad-libbing on the spot, and that's a lot of what they were dealing with right here.
[02:04:53]  So what we have here is Alex practicing telling the story of what happened.
[02:04:57]  He's going over the beats of the story and you can hear him connecting the dots as he goes along, but there are some problems.
[02:05:03]  For one, I thought he changed the narrative to this being a thing where they wanted to blame the seals initially, but now it seems like he's back to the they plan to blame right wingers.
[02:05:12]  Was that april 19th episode, a bottle episode of Alex's show, where he throws out a whole new storyline about how it was all about the seals, how the lockdown was to clean up the Patsys, because it seems like we're supposed to have forgotten all about that show.
[02:05:24]  Look, it was.
[02:05:25]  It was so.
[02:05:26]  They panned out at the end of that episode and there was an autistic child with a snow globe, Dan.
[02:05:32]  That's how that episode worked.
[02:05:34]  You didn't see the last part of it?
[02:05:36]  I didn't.
[02:05:36]  So secondly, Alex has never played those clips of the media celebrating that they know it's going to be a lone wolf right-wing terrorist guy.
[02:05:45]  This is the second stage of the you can look it up misdirection.
[02:05:48]  When he says you can look it up, it's to train the listener to never feel they need to look something up.
[02:05:54]  This other one, I've played the clips, is an attempt to convince the listener that he's actually played the piece of evidence that he hasn't.
[02:06:01]  Eventually, through repetition, he can gaslight people into assuming he's demonstrated all this stuff and they must have missed the episode.
[02:06:07]  It's like what you were bringing up earlier, what you were feeling.
[02:06:10]  One of the benefits of listening to this every day of his show is that I can say very confidently that Alex has never substantiated this claim that the media was salivating, that it was a right-winger, but he's repeatedly claimed that he's played the clips.
[02:06:23]  Third, and most interestingly, Joel Skousen seems to think that these globalist bad guys got trained out of false flag by Del Close.
[02:06:30]  Does he fucking think that these people are just up there improvising?
[02:06:34]  Does he not understand how stupid that sounds?
[02:06:36]  Like, all right, guys, let's do years-long cultivation of this Tamerlan guy involving complicated operations to get him in and out of the country secretly, culminating in bombing the Boston Marathon.

=== Special Ops Bombing Mystery (08:16) ===

[02:06:46]  All right, sounds good.
[02:06:47]  Then what?
[02:06:48]  After that, we wing it.
[02:06:50]  I mean, Dan, but there's something to be said about a unique performance.
[02:06:54]  You know, that's like in theater, you know, there are certain things you get bored by the performance, then you have a fun mess up and you get reinvigorated to do it all over again.
[02:07:05]  It's a thing that you can only have happen once in a second.
[02:07:07]  It's a unique event.
[02:07:08]  Bullshit.
[02:07:09]  Oh, yeah.
[02:07:09]  This level of characterization of your bad guys is cartoonish.
[02:07:12]  Like, for real.
[02:07:13]  Joel Skousen doesn't get enough grief from me on a regular basis.
[02:07:16]  Maybe because it's kind of funny that he hates Trump in the present day, and Alex has to put up with it because all of his other experts won't talk to him anymore.
[02:07:22]  But let's not lose sight of the fact that Joel Skousen could fuck off.
[02:07:25]  This guy sucks.
[02:07:27]  So we have two motives now for the bombing.
[02:07:30]  Pieczenik's motive and Wayne Madsen's motive.
[02:07:34]  Skousen has his own.
[02:07:35]  Okay.
[02:07:36]  And it sucks.
[02:07:37]  Okay.
[02:07:37]  I think the number one motive for this is that it had been a long time since we'd had another one of these high-profile terror attacks.
[02:07:45]  Remember, we don't have any normal terrorism in the United States.
[02:07:48]  Normal terrorism would look like people coming across the border among the thousands of illegal aliens that come across daily, and they'd be blowing up electrical pylons.
[02:07:57]  They'd be setting off suicide bombers in malls.
[02:08:01]  Small, non-high-profile things.
[02:08:03]  These high-profile things are always a sign that there is something to be gained.
[02:08:07]  That's when a real terrorist hit train tracks.
[02:08:10]  That's right.
[02:08:10]  So as if you need more evidence, this Joel Skousen's a dunce.
[02:08:14]  Here he is asserting that the motive the globalists need to pull off this Boston bombing as a false flag is because we haven't had any terrorism for a while.
[02:08:20]  That is a Friedersdorf level take right there, Dan.
[02:08:24]  It's been a while since we had one.
[02:08:26]  Let's toss him on the yeah.
[02:08:28]  I'm going to leave aside his ideas about real versus fake terrorism.
[02:08:32]  Oh, because it's racist as shit?
[02:08:34]  Well, it might be.
[02:08:35]  There might be undertones of it, but even if it isn't, it's still just, I don't even care.
[02:08:39]  I'm going to leave aside also terrorist attacks aimed at other countries that absolutely do affect our country's interests, since that list would be too gigantic, and they probably wouldn't fit whatever nonsense criteria Joel's using here.
[02:08:51]  I know that definitions of terrorism might vary, but what about Sandy Hook?
[02:08:55]  What about the Aurora shooting?
[02:08:56]  What about Christopher Dorner's rampage?
[02:08:58]  What about that Nazi who shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin?
[02:09:01]  What about the attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords that left six dead and 15 wounded?
[02:09:06]  I would personally consider all of these to be acts of terrorism to some extent.
[02:09:09]  They produced terror in the community, whether or not these specific acts had an identified political motivation.
[02:09:16]  I would say that in early 2013, particularly after Sandy Hook, no one needed to be reminded what terror looked like.
[02:09:23]  Were there any trains involved?
[02:09:25]  No.
[02:09:26]  Not terrorism.
[02:09:27]  And then this telecommunications company.
[02:09:30]  Does this fucking dumb-dumb not remember that we're like six months removed from the attack in Benghazi?
[02:09:34]  Yeah, it's been six months.
[02:09:36]  What the fuck does he like?
[02:09:37]  Where does he get off going on a nationally syndicated radio show and pretending to be an international affairs expert?
[02:09:42]  Well, he spouts completely meaningless bullshit like this.
[02:09:45]  They orchestrated the Boston bombing because it's been too long since there was a terror attack.
[02:09:49]  Get the fuck out of here with this.
[02:09:50]  Dan, it's the classic stained motive.
[02:09:53]  It's been a while.
[02:09:55]  So dumb.
[02:09:56]  So now we get to a clip that I personally enjoy.
[02:10:00]  Okay.
[02:10:00]  And that is it may be one of my favorite genres of Alex's coverage.
[02:10:07]  And that is when he's swimming and he uncovers something.
[02:10:12]  Sort of Detective Alex at the swimming hole.
[02:10:15]  I mean, I listen to local talk radio, and they're talking like I am.
[02:10:18]  Almost every caller's agreeing.
[02:10:20]  I was swimming laps out at Martin Springs this weekend, and a group of military guys and their wives, and they were like special ops guys.
[02:10:26]  You know, they were in great shape.
[02:10:28]  We're talking about, and they couldn't even see me.
[02:10:30]  You know, I was sitting there with a towel on my head, and I just got there.
[02:10:32]  And I was laying out under a tree.
[02:10:35]  And talking about Oklahoma City being an inside job and what kind of thought this was an inside job.
[02:10:41]  And when I talked to them, they didn't even know who I was.
[02:10:44]  So everywhere is the buzz that this was staged.
[02:10:47]  I don't believe anything like this.
[02:10:51]  I don't even believe Alex went swimming.
[02:10:53]  I don't believe that either.
[02:10:56]  I was out the moment he said I was swimming laps.
[02:10:58]  I was like, you're full of shit.
[02:11:00]  I got to say, though.
[02:11:01]  You swim up to the pool bar and back away from the pool bar.
[02:11:04]  Alex is to be believed.
[02:11:05]  Barton Springs is one of the biggest hotbeds for special ops.
[02:11:11]  Secret information.
[02:11:12]  Absolutely.
[02:11:13]  Bandied about casually.
[02:11:15]  It is amazing how much secret information is a block away from his house.
[02:11:20]  There is so much secret information.
[02:11:21]  You're going out there and lay under a tree, and you're going to hear something classified.
[02:11:26]  You can't throw a stone without hitting a classified piece of information.
[02:11:30]  Also, I love that his justification for them being special ops is they were in great shape.
[02:11:33]  They were in great shape.
[02:11:34]  So they were clearly in special ops.
[02:11:36]  Cool.
[02:11:36]  And he was under, they couldn't even see him.
[02:11:38]  They were in a towel over there.
[02:11:39]  They weren't fucking with me.
[02:11:40]  I had a towel over me.
[02:11:42]  And they couldn't see me, but I was laying under a tree.
[02:11:44]  It was an oak tree.
[02:11:45]  I remember that because one of the little acorns fell on top of my towel head.
[02:11:49]  But they didn't know.
[02:11:50]  I said, oh, and then they knew it was me, but that's when they, oh, man.
[02:11:53]  Ridiculous.
[02:11:55]  So this next clip is just for posterity.
[02:11:58]  It doesn't really have a whole lot to do with the current affairs that we're talking about.
[02:12:04]  But it's interesting that here in 2013, Alex and Joel Skousen are both pretty clear that Putin has done some bad stuff.
[02:12:13]  Now, I want to make one point very clear.
[02:12:15]  The mainstream media continues to put out the propaganda.
[02:12:18]  The yes, when they're talking about Russia assisting the FBI in this investigation, how Russia has been the victim of Chechen terrorism as well.
[02:12:26]  This is absolutely untrue.
[02:12:28]  Is that almost all of the Chechen terrorism or terrorism in Russia, the apartment buildings, the Breslin bombings of the schools were blamed on Chechens, were in fact carried out by Russian speakers, not Chechens.
[02:12:43]  So Alex completely does not agree with this in the present.
[02:12:46]  Yeah, he's all over the world.
[02:12:48]  Within like a year or two after this, he's saying that Putin didn't do that.
[02:12:51]  Man, he must be happy that he doesn't have to, that the news is not focused on Bolsonaro probably assassinating somebody.
[02:13:00]  He hasn't had to worry about that one.
[02:13:03]  So Joel goes further down this road.
[02:13:05]  And it is also, it's pretty embarrassing to hear this sort of thing, considering the rhetoric that Alex would put out in a very short time after this.
[02:13:13]  The Russians have been running the Chechens as their false flag operations, just like we've been running the Middle Eastern Muslims as our false flag operations in this country.
[02:13:22]  Now they're kind of merging the two.
[02:13:24]  They're making it a worldwide war on terror.
[02:13:26]  This may have some other ramification in terms of bringing in more of this false propaganda that Russia is our ally in the world on terror in the war on terror.
[02:13:36]  They're still planning a disarmament treaty, another one yet again on Russia, even though they have yet to comply with the last New START treaty.
[02:13:45]  It seems like our government is just insisting on proving to the American people that the Russians are our friends, that there's no threat there, that we're fighting a common terror enemy.
[02:13:54]  Wow, that sounds exactly like Alex's angle a couple years later.
[02:13:58]  Yeah, that's pretty much it.
[02:13:59]  Wow.
[02:14:00]  That's weird.
[02:14:01]  So we end Alex's run here on the 22nd with Joel Skousen applauding Alex for his great work.
[02:14:08]  Of course.
[02:14:08]  Alex, I want to applaud what you're doing.
[02:14:10]  I know you're taking a lot of flack for what's going on.
[02:14:13]  That means you're effective when the O'Reilly's who are perennial conspiracy deniers, or even Glenn Beck, who's, you know, a good guy, considers himself a patriot, but he's a conspiracy denier, and it's a real problem.
[02:14:27]  You're at the forefront of this.
[02:14:29]  So, conspiracy deniers.
[02:14:31]  Conspiracy denier Glenn Beck.
[02:14:33]  He has to walk very carefully around that because Glenn Beck has some connections with, like, he's a big W. Kleon Skousen guy.

=== Questionable Literature Choices (04:29) ===

[02:14:42]  Really?
[02:14:42]  So he has some connection with the Skousen family.
[02:14:46]  He's very into the Skousen anti-communist work.
[02:14:50]  So Joel knows not jobs.
[02:14:54]  What do you mean?
[02:14:55]  I mean, that's, I would, oh, man, when they do background checks, it shouldn't be drug convictions.
[02:15:01]  It should be what kind of questionable literature choices have you made about whether or not you're fucking anti-government.
[02:15:08]  Are you big into weirdos?
[02:15:10]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:15:11]  Like, what's your favorite book?
[02:15:12]  Unintended Consequences.
[02:15:13]  Ha ha, caught you.
[02:15:14]  Get the fuck out of here.
[02:15:15]  Yeah.
[02:15:16]  So Alex ends on this, and he leaves about three and a half hours into the show and has Jakari Jackson and David Knight come in to take calls for the rest of the show, another half hour.
[02:15:29]  Right.
[02:15:29]  You know, there's no longer.
[02:15:31]  He had to take a shit.
[02:15:32]  There's no longer a frenzy going on, so he doesn't have to do six-hour long shows anymore.
[02:15:37]  He's back to the four hours in Overdrive.
[02:15:40]  And I just want to play a little bit of this because there's a big thing going on in the world.
[02:15:44]  And here's some of the calls.
[02:15:46]  Here's the first one.
[02:15:47]  I'm the Constitution Bill of Rights news sticker idea guy.
[02:15:52]  I think y'all should run the Bill of Rights as a news sticker at the bottom of your screen.
[02:15:58]  But I wanted to point out something about the Constitution.
[02:16:01]  Everybody's trying to mess with it.
[02:16:02]  And I'm going to tell you, the Bill of Rights itself says in the first four articles, the first letter article spells out the words can't.
[02:16:11]  I think it can't be any plainer than that.
[02:16:14]  Hell yeah, man.
[02:16:15]  What?
[02:16:15]  First letter of the first four says.
[02:16:17]  What did he say?
[02:16:18]  Can't.
[02:16:19]  I don't care.
[02:16:20]  I mean, this is just numerology level.
[02:16:24]  It's Nicholas Cage on the other line.
[02:16:26]  That is definitely Nicholas Cage.
[02:16:28]  So that's one caller.
[02:16:29]  And it's like, okay, I'm the guy who came up with the idea of doing the Bill of Rights as a ticker underneath it.
[02:16:34]  Okay.
[02:16:35]  All right.
[02:16:35]  This next caller is a little bit more troubling, but he just wants to, he starts out the call with like, I just want to plug something.
[02:16:43]  What I wanted to do is kind of plug here.
[02:16:46]  I've got a page on Facebook that I started in a group.
[02:16:50]  And it's called the name of it is The Constitution is Alive.
[02:16:55]  Now, granted, I know it's not a living document, but if the Constitution dies, so does this country is the idea that I was going with.
[02:17:06]  I will say like a man who's willing to admit the flaw in his title.
[02:17:11]  Yeah.
[02:17:12]  He's like, I thought it was a great title.
[02:17:14]  Now I admit, because a lot of people have pointed this out to me.
[02:17:17]  It's a very obvious problem.
[02:17:19]  A lot of people have pointed this out to me, and it's too late for me to change it.
[02:17:22]  Came up with some other options for him.
[02:17:24]  The first is the Constitution is pretty cool.
[02:17:28]  Another one he could have gone with is the president and vice president should be elected separately since I hate the 12th Amendment.
[02:17:34]  Another is I don't like minorities voting.
[02:17:37]  Any of those could work.
[02:17:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:17:40]  Those sound more accurate titles.
[02:17:41]  So I was curious, so I decided to check and I actually found this Facebook page.
[02:17:45]  It's been pretty dormant for a while now, but the last post from July 2013 is pretty telling of the sort of vibe that this guy was putting out.
[02:17:53]  Quote, to all five L's, those who have gone back and forth about the mixed race.
[02:18:00]  Oh no, stop right there.
[02:18:01]  In parentheses, he is not just black like you love to regurgitate.
[02:18:05]  Anti-American, anti-every religion except Islam, anti-freedom, tyrannical puppet that occupies our White House.
[02:18:12]  And the sad part is you still think his shit don't stink.
[02:18:15]  You are what's wrong with this country.
[02:18:17]  That post, two likes.
[02:18:19]  Gotcha.
[02:18:20]  I mean, I think that's good.
[02:18:21]  Sure.
[02:18:22]  I think only two likes on that is good.
[02:18:25]  Yeah, I think that's progress for the living Constitution.
[02:18:28]  Looking through this page's history, it's so clearly someone who's been completely afflicted by Alex Jones syndrome.
[02:18:34]  It's a non-stop talk about taking arms up and showing the powers that be that they are not in charge, followed by insistences that he's not calling for violence.
[02:18:43]  It's really sad, honestly.
[02:18:45]  Like, they call into Alex's show and they're plugging this page, and as best as I can tell, it didn't do too much in terms of engagement, and they just lost interest in July.

=== Path to Propaganda (05:41) ===

[02:18:54]  I would think that they just died or something, maybe got arrested, but they posted again in March 2015.
[02:19:00]  From that post, quote, I still believe that we can save our country.
[02:19:04]  However, I do not believe that there's an option available without blood being spilled.
[02:19:09]  We all know that corruption is well-rooted and not going to voluntarily remove itself.
[02:19:14]  We've all observed how quickly promises made on the campaign trailer left at the curb.
[02:19:19]  We all know that the soap ballot and jury boxes are tattered, torn, and breaking into tiny pieces.
[02:19:24]  We all know that the only box still available is the cartridge box.
[02:19:28]  I do not want my children to grow up knowing what war is.
[02:19:31]  I do not want my children growing up not knowing me.
[02:19:34]  I do not want my children growing up not knowing what freedom is.
[02:19:37]  I will not allow anyone the opportunity to take that away from me.
[02:19:40]  I will, with extreme prejudice, end anyone standing in the way of restoring this once great nation to her proper glory.
[02:19:47]  I urge you all to ask yourself where your line is.
[02:19:50]  How much more will you take?
[02:19:52]  When will you decide to stop hiding online behind words and put your blood where your mouth is?
[02:19:58]  He ends the post with the hashtag start the revolution.
[02:20:02]  This is the logical endpoint for a certain amount of people who internalize and believe Alex is bullshit.
[02:20:07]  They're angry.
[02:20:08]  The enemy they imagine they're up against is supremely overpowered.
[02:20:11]  And every time there's a traumatic event in the world, like the Boston bombing, they're taught anew to hate this overpowered elite cabal who were secretly the ones who carried out the attack.
[02:20:21]  They're given no real guidance or outlet, no path toward legitimate political action, only made more angry by outrage after outrage.
[02:20:29]  And they never could change anything anyway, since the enemy they're being taught to hate is imaginary, but they feel so real.
[02:20:35]  A person can only live in that state for so long before it becomes intolerable.
[02:20:39]  Some could probably deal with it by supporting Alex more, imagining that it's the best way they feel that they can feel like they're making a difference.
[02:20:47]  Some probably manage to break free from the bullshit and return to a normal life.
[02:20:51]  But some are consumed with this anger-centric worldview and end up calling for blood-filled revolutions because they can't figure out any other way to deal with the imaginary enemies Alex has taught them to fear.
[02:21:02]  I don't believe for a second that Alex isn't aware that this is something that he does to people.
[02:21:06]  He doesn't care.
[02:21:07]  As long as they're out there plugging in for wars, that's good for traffic.
[02:21:11]  And if they do end up following through with their plan to kill, they'll just be called false flags to demonize the Patriots.
[02:21:17]  They'll be used as a prop to provide the fuel.
[02:21:19]  Alex needs to terrify and outrage the rest of his audience to continue the cycle.
[02:21:23]  Yeah, it's good.
[02:21:25]  So, when we look at this episode and this whole thing with the Boston bombing, you see these overt lies and this desperate need to take things and make them fit his narrative so he can get attention, which we can absolutely see from his own words, is paying off incredibly 10 times the amount of traffic that he was getting before.
[02:21:46]  Just an insane rise in his notoriety.
[02:21:51]  And while you can look at these crass things, I think it's also incredibly important to remember that there are these people, one of whom who calls in on this show, who are being guided down a path that has no off-ramp, or at least no off-ramp with a sign that says, hey, here's the place to fucking check yourself.
[02:22:15]  I'm far more concerned with the people who are the targets of Alex's propaganda and ire.
[02:22:22]  I'm far more interested in expending the bulk of my empathy on those people.
[02:22:28]  But people like this guy who calls in, I don't think that I, in good conscience, can ignore the fact that he is a victim of Alex's shit, too.
[02:22:39]  Oh, absolutely.
[02:22:40]  And it's harder to feel a ton of empathy for him because, you know, he's advocating things that will end up hurting the targeted communities even more.
[02:22:49]  Yeah.
[02:22:49]  And, you know, should he follow his ideas through to the logical conclusion, he's going to end up killing people.
[02:22:55]  Yeah.
[02:22:56]  And that is unacceptable.
[02:22:58]  Well, I mean, to a certain extent, for this guy, what I see somebody listening to Alex Jones is Alex Jones is essentially a fucking cattle prod, and he's living in a constant state of agitation.
[02:23:11]  Like, it's, it's like if it's like a fucking experiment of somebody constantly jolting you every time you're about to feel any comfort and about to feel like you know what it's.
[02:23:23]  It's really not that big a deal.
[02:23:25]  He pokes you again and you get jabbed again and your brain is in this constant state of excitement.
[02:23:29]  Yeah, and it drives you insane.
[02:23:30]  Yeah, like if you did that.
[02:23:32]  It's animal cruelty.
[02:23:33]  Listening to Alex Jones yeah, or if you have like, the possibility of connecting with people on a larger scale like uh, around shared experiences, shared tragedies um, you are led away from that.
[02:23:47]  Yeah, the only people who share your experiences are people who live in the same imaginary world you do.
[02:23:52]  Yeah, you can't process the Boston bombing the way that other people do, because you are completely separate.
[02:23:59]  You sublimate to this awful shit.
[02:24:01]  So that's where i'm gonna leave this.
[02:24:03]  I think that's a good spot to leave it.
[02:24:04]  We see a lot of lies.
[02:24:06]  We see the, the second stage of Alex's conspiracy building operation kicking in, where he attacks, um, any information that comes out solidifies his own narrative.
[02:24:16]  Retreats from the.
[02:24:17]  They were blaming seals all along, apparently.
[02:24:19]  Yeah uh stuff, and uh, you see the consequences.

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