Knowledge Fight - #360: October 23, 2019
Aired: 2019-10-25
Duration: 02:12:18


=== Why We Talk About Alex (08:53) ===

[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish ten colour and we're here to say I love your room.
[00:00:52]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:02]  Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Indeed, we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan?
[00:01:09]  What's up, Jordan?
[00:01:10]  Let me ask you this.
[00:01:11]  I'd love to hear a question.
[00:01:12]  But actually, I have a question that I hope you'll ask.
[00:01:14]  I'm really – this is a weird situation because there's something I want to talk about.
[00:01:18]  Okay.
[00:01:18]  Okay.
[00:01:19]  And I want you to ask your question, but there's a real big part of me that hopes it's a very specific question that I don't think you're going to ask.
[00:01:28]  I'm going to go with roughly an infinite number of questions.
[00:01:32]  You bet there are.
[00:01:32]  So it would be very difficult.
[00:01:34]  But look directly into my eyes.
[00:01:37]  We're doing this right here.
[00:01:38]  We're mind-melding.
[00:01:39]  Okay.
[00:01:39]  All right.
[00:01:42]  All right.
[00:01:42]  You get it?
[00:01:43]  No, I have no idea.
[00:01:44]  What do you want to talk about?
[00:01:45]  No, that's not your question.
[00:01:46]  What's your question?
[00:01:47]  Have you ever caught somebody in a lie and told them to their face?
[00:01:52]  Yeah, probably.
[00:01:53]  I mean, obviously we catch people in lies.
[00:01:54]  Yeah, probably.
[00:01:55]  That's our shit.
[00:01:56]  I'm not sure it's an interesting story.
[00:01:57]  What I'd rather talk about is...
[00:01:58]  There we go.
[00:02:00]  I'm not worried about it.
[00:02:04]  This is a foregone conclusion the moment you said I wanted to talk about something.
[00:02:08]  I don't know why you bothered.
[00:02:10]  I need to just tell you about this, Jordan.
[00:02:11]  We could have talked about this question later.
[00:02:13]  We could have saved it.
[00:02:14]  Yeah, probably.
[00:02:15]  So look, man, I've been spending the morning before we record.
[00:02:19]  I had a little bit of downtime, right?
[00:02:20]  I got most of the episode prepared last night.
[00:02:22]  I was sitting around waiting for you to show up over at the studio, and I started exploring a few things.
[00:02:30]  I think I've discovered a genre of music that might be right in my wheelhouse.
[00:02:36]  This, Jordan.
[00:02:37]  Exploring?
[00:02:38]  Probably.
[00:02:39]  Reimaginings of Phil Collins songs.
[00:02:42]  Okay, all right.
[00:02:43]  There we go.
[00:02:44]  That's.
[00:02:45]  The canon is fantastic.
[00:02:47]  Sure, it is.
[00:02:48]  I mean, we're talking about just disturbed land of confusion.
[00:02:52]  No, everybody thinks Phil Collins is great.
[00:02:55]  Now, granted, that's Genesis, not Phil Collins, but it's Phil Collins singing.
[00:02:58]  Yeah.
[00:02:58]  And Bone Thugs and Harmony, Take Me Home.
[00:03:01]  Right.
[00:03:01]  Holy shit.
[00:03:02]  I really feel like I've talked about this in the past.
[00:03:04]  It might just be a rediscovering.
[00:03:08]  I've never heard of it before.
[00:03:10]  Who's rediscovering these songs?
[00:03:12]  I'm rediscovering my love of these reimaginings of Phil Collins.
[00:03:15]  Who's reimagining it?
[00:03:16]  Disturbed?
[00:03:17]  Oh, confusion.
[00:03:18]  Oh, shit.
[00:03:19]  Great remake of a Genesis song.
[00:03:21]  And then Bone Thugs and Harmony did take me home.
[00:03:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:25]  Got Phil Collins to do it with them.
[00:03:28]  He's in the video and everything.
[00:03:29]  He's walking around with crazy, lazy, and wish.
[00:03:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:32]  Fantastic.
[00:03:34]  Anyway, I went on a real rabbit hole of, let's see if this is as good as I remember.
[00:03:38]  I started listening to a bunch of the I Got the Hookup soundtrack.
[00:03:41]  Oh, man.
[00:03:42]  Pretty good stuff on there.
[00:03:43]  Like See Murder song, Would You Hesitate?
[00:03:45]  All right.
[00:03:46]  Great track.
[00:03:46]  Okay.
[00:03:47]  Hateball and MJG showing up.
[00:03:50]  Now that started me going down a road of like, C Murder's still in prison?
[00:03:54]  Yeah, he committed murder.
[00:03:56]  But two of the witnesses in his trial have recently recanted their testimony.
[00:04:01]  Really?
[00:04:01]  Yeah, and they won't give him a new trial.
[00:04:03]  No shit.
[00:04:03]  Crazy.
[00:04:04]  Yeah.
[00:04:04]  Anyway, probably should get a new trial for C-murder.
[00:04:07]  Yeah, nobody.
[00:04:07]  This is why we shouldn't record it this early.
[00:04:10]  We got to do something, all right?
[00:04:12]  We're going to stop recording.
[00:04:13]  We're going to get C-Murder out, and then we're going to come right back.
[00:04:16]  I'm not sure if I want to get him out, but I think we should take another look at it.
[00:04:19]  We should take another look at it.
[00:04:20]  His name is C. Murder.
[00:04:22]  No, that is true.
[00:04:23]  That is true.
[00:04:25]  That was admissible in court.
[00:04:28]  I don't know.
[00:04:29]  Anyway, Jordan, we're here.
[00:04:30]  What did you say that the witnesses no longer see murder?
[00:04:35]  Yeah, they claim that they did not see a murder.
[00:04:37]  That is correct.
[00:04:38]  All right.
[00:04:39]  So, Jordan, this is a podcast where I have questionable musical tastes.
[00:04:44]  Yeah.
[00:04:44]  And I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:04:47]  And I regretfully have to participate in both.
[00:04:50]  And we should record this early in the morning.
[00:04:54]  We are all over the place.
[00:04:55]  Oh, yeah.
[00:04:56]  But, you know, we have a bit of business to do here, and that is talk about Alex Jones.
[00:05:03]  We're back in 2013, right?
[00:05:04]  No, no.
[00:05:05]  In the present day.
[00:05:06]  No, shit.
[00:05:07]  I can't do a 2013 episode except on Mondays because they don't have enough time between episodes on Wednesday and Friday.
[00:05:13]  That's a good point.
[00:05:14]  To do all the reading that's required and all the stuff.
[00:05:18]  So those take a lot longer than these normal day episodes.
[00:05:22]  Most of Alex's present-day narratives and stuff are pretty easy.
[00:05:26]  Yeah, bang that out in a few hours.
[00:05:28]  You're good to go.
[00:05:29]  Yeah, whereas with Alex's, especially around this Boston bombing period, that is stuff where two minutes of his show might take me an hour and a half to get through.
[00:05:39]  Just because he'll lie about something and that requires a ton of reading.
[00:05:45]  But we will be back in 2013 for Monday.
[00:05:47]  I consider the Coast to Coast episode from Wednesday to be our 2013 episode of the week.
[00:05:52]  Okay.
[00:05:52]  Because that does.
[00:05:54]  We got both Wacky and 2013 out in the same episode.
[00:05:57]  That's great stuff.
[00:05:58]  Yeah, because it does add to the sort of canon of our understanding.
[00:06:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:02]  No, we're doing a present day episode today.
[00:06:04]  We're doing October 23rd, 2019.
[00:06:06]  All right.
[00:06:07]  Which is Wednesday.
[00:06:09]  And hey, man, there's some silly shit going on.
[00:06:11]  Naturally.
[00:06:11]  There's some bad stuff going on.
[00:06:13]  Of course.
[00:06:14]  And Alex has both of his lawyers as guests.
[00:06:18]  That cannot be true.
[00:06:21]  Jesus Christ.
[00:06:22]  I'm not sure I've seen an episode where both of his lawyers have come on on the same episode.
[00:06:26]  Are they physically there or Pattis calls in?
[00:06:30]  Norm Pattis calls in, and Barnes is in studio.
[00:06:34]  Yeah, of course, Barnes is there.
[00:06:35]  Yeah, he's more eager for the fray.
[00:06:37]  Barnes is not busy.
[00:06:38]  Although, I do.
[00:06:41]  We're going to have to have a conversation at the end of this episode about which of them comes off worse.
[00:06:45]  Okay.
[00:06:46]  Oh, boy.
[00:06:46]  Both of them do something that is each in its own way pretty fucked up.
[00:06:52]  All right.
[00:06:52]  All right.
[00:06:53]  Oh, boy.
[00:06:53]  We'll get to that here in a moment.
[00:06:54]  But before we do, Jordan, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:07:00]  So, first, Jackie, thank you so much.
[00:07:03]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:04]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:05]  Hey, Jackie.
[00:07:06]  Next, Flex Montello.
[00:07:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:11]  Thank you.
[00:07:12]  Thank you so much, Flex Montello.
[00:07:14]  Next, Brent from the None Dare Call It Ordinary podcast.
[00:07:18]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:18]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:20]  I'm a policy wonk.
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[00:07:27]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:28]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:29]  Thank you, A. McNellis.
[00:07:30]  A. McNellis.
[00:07:32]  And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who have signed up on an elevated level.
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[00:07:37]  So, first of all, Josiah, thank you so much.
[00:07:40]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:07:42]  And thank you so much, Reverend Dr. Peter Anomaly.
[00:07:46]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:07:48]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:49]  Crikey, Mike, that's fantastic.
[00:07:50]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:07:52]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:07:54]  We got to go full-tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
[00:07:56]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:07:57]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:07:59]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:08:01]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:08:03]  I declare info war on you.
[00:08:06]  Thank you so much, Josiah and Reverend Dr. Peter Anomaly.
[00:08:10]  Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
[00:08:12]  That last one sounds like a Philip K. Dick character.
[00:08:15]  And maybe I haven't gotten through all of his work yet.
[00:08:17]  That is quite frankly.
[00:08:18]  Could be a PKD reference.
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[00:08:31]  So, Jordan, before we get into today's episode, I have perhaps one of my favorite out-of-context drops.
[00:08:38]  If you play Bone Thugs in Harmony right now, I am going to be furious.
[00:08:43]  No, this is a rare type of out-of-context drop that I just think is like, this could not be better.
[00:08:52]  Okay.
[00:08:53]  I mean, there might be.
[00:08:53]  There's no way to improve it.
[00:08:54]  Right.
[00:08:55]  There may be a better dropout there.
[00:08:57]  Right, right.
[00:08:58]  This drop is the ideal form of this drop.
[00:09:01]  Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
[00:09:02]  Now, what I'm about to say is incredibly obvious, and I'm not talking down to any of the viewers or any of the listeners.
[00:09:08]  I'm just stating the facts.
[00:09:10]  I own a chainsaw.
[00:09:17]  Oh, not condescending.
[00:09:19]  I don't know how that could be condescending.
[00:09:21]  I'm just stating the facts.
[00:09:22]  Just I own a chainsaw.

=== Latest Developments Teased (15:38) ===

[00:09:28]  Oh, God.
[00:09:29]  Now, if you've seen Mandy, now we need Nick Cage to fight Alex Jones in a chainsaw fight.
[00:09:35]  That could be.
[00:09:36]  Perfect.
[00:09:37]  Yeah.
[00:09:37]  I know Alex.
[00:09:40]  He owns a chainsaw.
[00:09:41]  Yeah.
[00:09:41]  So we jump in here.
[00:09:43]  This is how Alex gets the old ball rolling.
[00:09:47]  It's predictable.
[00:09:48]  It's just, hey, Trump, Trump, this impeachment thing is bullshit.
[00:09:53]  Oh, okay.
[00:09:54]  Now, we obviously have the latest developments taking place on a lot of different fronts.
[00:10:09]  And we have the latest rerun of the whistleblower hoax with the diplomat, lead diplomat, the ambassador to Ukraine, saying he heard somebody say it was quid pro quo, just like the other fake whistleblowers whose names we can't know.
[00:10:32]  Leiden said that as well.
[00:10:35]  And then even when he testified, Bill Taylor yesterday in his bomb show had to admit that when he got a call from the EU ambassador and told him that, he said, that's insane.
[00:10:50]  Trump never said quid pro quo or that he better be given something.
[00:10:54]  So you may notice that Alex is calling all this Ukraine business, specifically as it relates to the impeachment inquiry, a hoax.
[00:11:01]  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:11:02]  You'd expect that from Alex.
[00:11:03]  And I almost yawn when he opens a show like this.
[00:11:06]  It's just like, oh, God, this again.
[00:11:07]  Yeah.
[00:11:08]  Weird that he doesn't start off the show talking about Mick Mulvaney's weird-ass press conference from the other day, but you know, get that one.
[00:11:15]  The one where Mick Mulvaney said Trump asked for a quid pro quo.
[00:11:18]  We do that all the time.
[00:11:19]  Get over it?
[00:11:19]  Yeah, get over it.
[00:11:20]  Yeah, so he doesn't talk about that.
[00:11:22]  It's a hoax, even though they admitted they committed the crime.
[00:11:25]  It's well, I think that the reason is that would be a challenge.
[00:11:29]  That would be really hard to do.
[00:11:31]  Spinning that one.
[00:11:32]  And I know that they, you know, Mulvaney's like walked back that, and they've tried to do some damage control and what have you.
[00:11:38]  Fuck off.
[00:11:38]  That shouldn't even be possible.
[00:11:40]  Yeah, Alex isn't touching that one.
[00:11:42]  Yeah.
[00:11:42]  He's going ahead and maligning Bill Taylor.
[00:11:45]  So anyway, Alex brings up that testimony.
[00:11:47]  Bill Taylor, he's the top diplomat for the U.S. and Ukraine.
[00:11:52]  On Tuesday, Taylor spoke with the House committee members privately.
[00:11:56]  So a lot of what he said in those conversations hasn't been released.
[00:11:59]  But his 15-minute page opening statement is very public.
[00:12:03]  And that's what Alex is calling his testimony.
[00:12:06]  You get your first indication that Alex dismissively calling this testimony a bombshell.
[00:12:10]  You're like, it's a bombshell.
[00:12:11]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:12]  That might be an indication that Alex is very scared of what this guy said.
[00:12:16]  Because it was a bombshell.
[00:12:17]  The first indication is on page one.
[00:12:19]  Just because you can say it in a sarcastic voice does not make it not true.
[00:12:23]  Yeah.
[00:12:24]  It's like me saying, hey, Dave Bone Thugs and Phil Collins, it's a great song.
[00:12:28]  Yeah, it's a good song.
[00:12:30]  It is a good song.
[00:12:30]  Exactly.
[00:12:31]  So anyway, from page one, quote, our national security demands that this relationship with the U.S. and Ukraine remain strong.
[00:12:38]  However, in August and September of this year, I became increasingly concerned that our relationship with Ukraine was being fundamentally undermined by an irregular, informal channel of U.S. policymaking and by the withholding of vital security assistance for domestic political reasons.
[00:12:52]  Yeah, that sounds folks.
[00:12:55]  Bill Taylor was the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009 and is very well aware of the situation in the country and its recent history.
[00:13:03]  He is absolutely no slouch.
[00:13:06]  And when he's testifying that there was a divergent unofficial foreign policy operation going on outside the State Department, it's a real serious charge.
[00:13:15]  And it becomes even more serious when you realize the charge Taylor is making is that this second unofficial channel was contradicting and threatening the objectives of the real official channel of U.S. foreign policy, namely strong support for Ukraine.
[00:13:28]  Yeah.
[00:13:29]  Taylor's opening statement involves very clear specifics, like the following.
[00:13:34]  Quote, on June 27th, Ambassador Sondlund told me during a phone conversation that President Zelensky needed to make clear to President Trump that he, President Zelensky, wasn't standing in the way of investigations.
[00:13:46]  I don't understand.
[00:13:47]  That doesn't sound like any issue.
[00:13:50]  There's no problem there.
[00:13:51]  Taylor provided WhatsApp conversations with Ambassadors Volcker and Sondland, where Volcker said what was, quote, most important is for Zelensky to say he will help investigations and address any specific personnel issues, if there are any.
[00:14:03]  You can fake those.
[00:14:04]  Sure, WhatsApp.
[00:14:06]  I mean, if you write them by hand, then you don't even know if they're from WhatsApp.
[00:14:10]  Totally.
[00:14:10]  On July 20th, a representative of Zelensky told Taylor that Zelensky, quote, did not want to be used as a pawn in a U.S. re-election campaign, which kind of calls into question the idea of whether people on the Ukrainian side were aware of the machinations.
[00:14:26]  Yeah, they definitely were.
[00:14:27]  Kind of puts that into question.
[00:14:30]  Taylor describes conversations with Ambassador Sondland, where Sondlund explicitly tells him that support for Ukraine was contingent on Zelensky publicly saying that they were going to do these investigations because, quote, Trump wanted President Zelensky in a public box.
[00:14:45]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:14:46]  No, and I know that that's like, you know, sure, it's firsthand, but it's still hearsay.
[00:14:53]  You can't trust it.
[00:14:54]  Sure.
[00:14:55]  Taylor describes that, quote, the inability of any U.S. official to respond to Ukrainians' explicit questions about security assistance was troubling them.
[00:15:04]  You know, like the idea that they ask, what's going on with this, and no one, they just stonewall.
[00:15:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:09]  You know, and that sounds exactly like how Trump seems to operate.
[00:15:12]  No.
[00:15:13]  Like a mobster.
[00:15:14]  No.
[00:15:15]  You know what you're supposed to do, and you're not going to get me to say it.
[00:15:19]  So just do it or there'll be problems.
[00:15:22]  That's how criminal enterprises run.
[00:15:26]  No, one's like, go kill that guy.
[00:15:29]  No, no, no.
[00:15:30]  Every time I buy weed, I first off call.
[00:15:34]  I call first and I say, I would like to buy some drugs from you illegally.
[00:15:38]  Then I text him that information as well.
[00:15:41]  I drive over with three cops behind me.
[00:15:44]  I invite them in and then I buy my weed.
[00:15:47]  That's how it works.
[00:15:48]  Buy the books.
[00:15:49]  Yeah, buy the fucking books, Dan.
[00:15:51]  It is true that Taylor's opening statement does include a passage about a conversation that he had with Tim Morrison, the head of the Eurasia desk for the National Security Council.
[00:15:59]  Morrison had spoken with Trump, who said that, quote, he was not asking for a quid pro quo.
[00:16:05]  But Trump did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say that he's opening investigations of Biden and the 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do it himself.
[00:16:17]  Right, See, so yes, I guess that Trump did technically say that he didn't want a quid quote pro quo, but then he did go on to describe the quo he was expecting from.
[00:16:29]  See, now you have to say quid pro quo.
[00:16:32]  It's like fucking Beetlejuice.
[00:16:33]  You have to say it three times, otherwise it doesn't count.
[00:16:35]  Exactly.
[00:16:36]  You know, if Trump doesn't say it three times, then it's not quid pro quo.
[00:16:39]  Nope.
[00:16:39]  It's very hard to read this opening statement and get the impression that there was not a quid pro quo going on.
[00:16:45]  You could read it and take the parts that say there was no quid pro quo, but those parts aren't Taylor's words.
[00:16:51]  Those are him repeating that that came from Trump and also that he clearly doesn't believe that statement that was coming to him.
[00:17:00]  And the evidence he indicates he's providing tends to contradict those people's statements that there was no.
[00:17:06]  Right, right.
[00:17:06]  Okay, so I am offering, actually, I am withholding aid that I have promised you in order for you to do something that I would like you to do.
[00:17:16]  Yeah.
[00:17:16]  And then when you do that, I will give you that aid.
[00:17:19]  I don't understand where the problem is.
[00:17:20]  No, it doesn't seem like that.
[00:17:21]  He said it wasn't a quid pro quo.
[00:17:23]  It's not a big deal.
[00:17:24]  No, it was an exchange of ideas.
[00:17:27]  Since that testimony itself is private at the point when I was getting this episode ready, and I believe it still is, it's very hard to know precisely what he told those committees.
[00:17:36]  But if this opening statement is any indication, it was very likely some fucking damning stuff.
[00:17:41]  Oh, yeah.
[00:17:41]  Just from this one person in this opening statement, you have multiple name people like Volcker, Sundland, among other people, who had direct conversations with Trump about this situation.
[00:17:54]  Just from this, there's a clear roadmap to an investigation.
[00:17:57]  The people you need to ask questions of, the people you need to get under oath.
[00:18:00]  And if I were Alex, I would be seriously, seriously thinking about turning on Trump right now.
[00:18:07]  Yeah, they would.
[00:18:07]  Now is the time.
[00:18:08]  Nope, not gonna be.
[00:18:09]  If there ever has been, I mean, it's been for a while now, but just strategically as a propagandist, you're about to enter an area where there's nothing you can do.
[00:18:18]  Right, right.
[00:18:19]  This is going to be a disaster.
[00:18:21]  And good luck.
[00:18:23]  It doesn't look good.
[00:18:24]  But look, man, that's just assuming that this opening statement was real.
[00:18:30]  There's a possibility.
[00:18:31]  I did not expect that.
[00:18:33]  There's a possibility that Alex is going to discuss here that this is all fake.
[00:18:39]  And you can tell Schiff wrote this latest statement this guy put out.
[00:18:42]  I mean, it's so obvious.
[00:18:43]  It's a redo of the fake letter that Schiff read.
[00:18:47]  In fact, let's cue that up.
[00:18:48]  Schiff reading the fake letter that was supposedly the fake transcript between the Ukrainian president and Trump.
[00:18:56]  Remember that?
[00:18:57]  Remember that?
[00:18:58]  So last month, Adam Schiff read what you might call a parody version of the rough transcript of the phone call that Trump had with Zelensky, which he kind of meant it to just heighten the mobster qualities of the conversation while trying to maintain the essence of what Trump said.
[00:19:13]  Some may call that a boneheaded move, but others might think it's a worthwhile strategy to attempt to creatively make the point you would otherwise be trying to make dryly.
[00:19:23]  I have no opinion on the matter other than that when I first heard about Schiff doing that, I knew immediately that Alex would pretend that he was claiming that he was reading the actual transcript.
[00:19:32]  He said that Schiff said that he was going to lay out, quote, the essence of what the president communicates.
[00:19:38]  You'd have to be an idiot or a shameless propagandist to try and claim that he was trying to pass that off as a real document.
[00:19:44]  How about both?
[00:19:45]  Yeah, and that's why Alex is doing that.
[00:19:47]  And that's a big, it's a big piece of his sort of like Trump defense.
[00:19:50]  It's like, shift tried to pass off this fake document as real.
[00:19:53]  He should be hung up.
[00:19:55]  Sure.
[00:19:56]  It's a mess.
[00:19:58]  So we get through that little segment, and Alex gets to some real serious news.
[00:20:03]  Or at least he starts teasing real serious news.
[00:20:06]  Trump is trying to end major wars, trying to win a trade war with China, trying to stabilize our economy, and trying to reboot the American spirit.
[00:20:20]  But under Trump's nose and under our noses, there's some things going on that I think you should know about, and I think that we should talk about.
[00:20:33]  And we're going to do that on the other side.
[00:20:37]  What's going on with the homeless?
[00:20:40]  Oh, no.
[00:20:41]  Oh, God, no.
[00:20:42]  Yeah, you don't like to hear that.
[00:20:44]  What's going on with the homeless?
[00:20:45]  Oh, fuck me.
[00:20:46]  It's not going to be, I support the homeless and we should socialize our fucking price.
[00:20:52]  It's not going to be let's help people get access to homes.
[00:20:55]  We should provide homes for people without homes.
[00:20:58]  Let's discuss what the best options are for public housing, for mental health assistance, for no, none of that.
[00:21:05]  Let's behead and eat Jeff Bezos and then everybody gets a home.
[00:21:09]  We don't know what his take on it is going to be yet, what the story is here, what is going on with the homeless.
[00:21:16]  So Alex leaves that alone and goes to break, promising to get back to it later.
[00:21:21]  But as soon as I heard that, I was like, this isn't going to be good.
[00:21:25]  Whatever it is, whenever you hear Alex bring up a vulnerable population, you know it's somehow going to be maligning.
[00:21:31]  You know it's somehow going to be adding to the possibility of them being further victimized and exploited.
[00:21:40]  And I'm pretty confident in saying that is the case.
[00:21:44]  But we'll get to that when he gets to it.
[00:21:45]  Yeah, when he does that shit, it's like he brings up something to distract from the larger issue and then peppers it with cruelty.
[00:21:55]  So people get that, like, yeah, I get to be awful.
[00:21:59]  And then they don't worry about whether or not Trump is committing all kinds of crimes.
[00:22:04]  Sure.
[00:22:05]  And, you know, like the sort of dehumanization and the just sort of like, hey, you know, they're shitting on the streets.
[00:22:14]  That kind of mentality, it kind of leads towards like criminalizing and possibly, I don't know, rounding up.
[00:22:23]  Yeah.
[00:22:24]  I mean, I can't say it enough.
[00:22:26]  People are not homeless because they failed.
[00:22:28]  They're homeless because the rest of us did.
[00:22:30]  Sure.
[00:22:30]  That's the reality of it.
[00:22:32]  But we'll get to some of that stuff in a moment because Alex goes to break and he comes back and he is in a real weird mood.
[00:22:40]  I'm your host, Alex Jones, and we're live broadcasting worldwide.
[00:22:43]  There's a couple of really important things I want to let you know.
[00:22:48]  I am aware of information going on inside the Trump campaign that is very, very dangerous and very, very scary to the president, to this country, and to all of you watching and listening out there.
[00:23:03]  You may have noticed that Brad Parscale earlier this week had a huge, lavish cover story in the Sunday New York Times about what a wonderful person he is and what a genius he is.
[00:23:17]  Well, there's some interesting things going on with Brad Parscale that I'm going to reveal later on the broadcast today.
[00:23:26]  Okay.
[00:23:27]  He doesn't.
[00:23:28]  There's an interesting thing about Alex's relationship with the Trump administration that I'm starting to notice.
[00:23:34]  There's a trend where he seems to keep finding out about how certain members of the team are evil and working against the resurgence of Americana.
[00:23:42]  A lot of this falls squarely into the genre of what you might tend to see in authoritarian systems, where the media bootlickers constantly dwell on palace intrigue, where the storm of suspicion and accusation is always raging, threatening those who don't appear to be loyal enough to the leader.
[00:23:58]  With Alex, I'm starting to notice a slightly different character to his particular type of palace intrigue, namely that all the people he seems to think are threats within the administration are specifically people who apparently don't like Alex enough.
[00:24:10]  Yeah.
[00:24:11]  We saw this with Generals McMaster and Mattis, who Alex said were globalist infiltrators, largely because he felt like they were trying to stop Trump from reading InfoWars, which was how Alex communicated direct messages to Trump, which is weird on its own.
[00:24:25]  He had similar problems with the former chief of staff, Reince Priebus.
[00:24:28]  And now the crosshairs are fixed on Brad Parscale.
[00:24:32]  It should be mentioned that Alex has recently complained about how he saw a video where Parscal was asked about Alex Jones and replied, Who is Alex Jones?
[00:24:39]  So it's kind of hard to hear Alex now uncovering some kind of scary and dangerous information about Parscal and not thinking maybe his bruised ego is somehow involved.
[00:24:48]  That doesn't sound right.
[00:24:49]  This dude really wants to get back on Facebook, and he's willing to wage public demonization campaigns against essential personnel in Trump's administration in order to get there, which is kind of funny on one level, but really just sad.

=== Steve's YouTube Channel Growth (07:22) ===

[00:25:01]  It's very sad.
[00:25:04]  He really wants to get back on Facebook.
[00:25:06]  Yeah.
[00:25:06]  It seems, and it's almost odd now in the context of the testimony from Zuckerberg yesterday that he's not back on Facebook.
[00:25:13]  Zuck doesn't give a shit.
[00:25:16]  He's clearly happy to watch the fucking world burn.
[00:25:20]  So put him back on.
[00:25:22]  Yeah, it is strange.
[00:25:24]  It is strange.
[00:25:25]  Yeah.
[00:25:25]  But you know what, Brad Parscal, whatever Alex might be saying about him, it appears that Alex doesn't think he's evil.
[00:25:32]  Nothing against Brad Parscale, but quite frankly, the man is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and is a serious weak link.
[00:25:45]  So he's dumb, I guess.
[00:25:47]  Man, none of you are.
[00:25:50]  So Alex doesn't get to talking about what his dangerous and scary information about Brad Parscal is on this episode, but he does tease that he has a huge guest coming up on Friday.
[00:26:02]  And later in the show, he does sort of connect these two things: that this guest has some information about Parscal and the Trump campaign.
[00:26:12]  And I would say that this next clip is really Alex overselling Friday's show and his guest that he's going to have.
[00:26:19]  Because Alex seems to think that he's going to get killed over this interview.
[00:26:23]  And again, I've probably gotten butterflies 10 times in the 25 years I've been on air.
[00:26:30]  When I had Donald Trump coming on the show, I did not get butterflies.
[00:26:34]  I got sick.
[00:26:36]  I get butterflies when I think about the guest we're going to have Friday.
[00:26:43]  It's a big guest.
[00:26:43]  You know, Joe Rogan had Edward Snowden on yesterday, but they released a few hours ago.
[00:26:49]  That's great.
[00:26:49]  It's posted up on Infowars.com.
[00:26:51]  That's a big guest.
[00:26:52]  Not as big as Julian Assange would be.
[00:26:54]  That's also a dangerous guest.
[00:26:57]  Hat tip was talking to Joe's Thorne hat tip to chill.
[00:26:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:00]  There's that big landed fish.
[00:27:02]  This is a really important, big interview, and it's an emergency message to the president.
[00:27:09]  And I know my phones are getting listened to.
[00:27:12]  So it's the kind of interview where I'm looking under my car, literally, now for bombs when I drive to work in the morning, and I've never done that before.
[00:27:21]  So we got a big interview coming up Friday in the second hours where it's scheduled live.
[00:27:28]  And you're going to want to tune into this.
[00:27:30]  And if something happens to me, the interview's still going to go out.
[00:27:34]  Okay?
[00:27:35]  Folks know, by the way, I don't hype stuff.
[00:27:37]  I just tell you how big something is and straight up deliver.
[00:27:41]  He says that it's going to be live, but that he's worried that someone's going to try and kill him before then, which would only make this interview larger.
[00:27:49]  I don't think anybody would do that.
[00:27:50]  Well, he did find an IT guy named Ted Snowden.
[00:27:54]  So, I mean, it's basically the same thing.
[00:27:56]  Ted Word.
[00:27:56]  Yeah, Ted Word Snowden.
[00:27:57]  It's basically the same thing.
[00:27:58]  If I know one thing in this life, it's that this guest Alex has coming up on Friday is going to be a real letdown.
[00:28:05]  He does later, like I said, give a few clues about who it is, saying that it has to do with the Trump campaign and Brad Parscal.
[00:28:11]  So in a normal world, that should narrow things down.
[00:28:14]  But because this is Alex, it could still literally be anybody.
[00:28:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:18]  I don't have any idea.
[00:28:20]  Here are some of my guesses about who I think it could be.
[00:28:22]  Roger Stone.
[00:28:23]  Sure.
[00:28:24]  Yeah.
[00:28:26]  If he weren't in custody, I would say that it could be Julian Assange.
[00:28:29]  Rogan, like Alex said, had snowed in on.
[00:28:31]  So I could see Alex trying to one-up him.
[00:28:33]  And Assange, outside of being in custody, is not above going on Infowars.
[00:28:37]  No, absolutely not.
[00:28:39]  He may have been a few years ago.
[00:28:41]  There was a time.
[00:28:42]  That time has passed.
[00:28:43]  I was trying to think of who a big name Alex could get who's in the Trump orbit and he could pretend is a danger for him to have on.
[00:28:52]  And I just couldn't think of anyone, really.
[00:28:54]  Like Roger Stone coming on is only a danger to Roger's gag order at this point.
[00:28:58]  I thought it could be Steve Bannon for a second, but Alex could never pull that off after he spent so much time in the past calling Steve a traitor and possibly a globalist.
[00:29:08]  Plus, Bannon just started a podcast called War Room.
[00:29:11]  So Alex can't be happy about that clear infringement of Owen Schroyer's copyright.
[00:29:16]  Uh-oh.
[00:29:16]  Owen Schroyer's got a cease and desist letter written up.
[00:29:20]  Yeah, that could be a feud coming up.
[00:29:22]  I thought it might be possible that this is a place where he could have a return of Steve Pieczenik.
[00:29:27]  After their unceremonious falling out, I thought they'd probably never speak again.
[00:29:31]  But I checked in on it, and Steve's YouTube channel has been coming along, and he's gathering an audience, which I think that Alex might be interested in trying to poach.
[00:29:40]  And I could see him trying to put water under the bridge and say, like, yeah, you know, he was wrong about the Las Vegas shooting, but he's one of the greatest ever State Department officials.
[00:29:48]  Blah, blah, blah.
[00:29:49]  He's a patriot.
[00:29:50]  I will give up literally anything to get 1,000 more listeners.
[00:29:55]  I could see him trying to rehab Steve.
[00:29:59]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:30:00]  Possible.
[00:30:00]  He has no principles.
[00:30:01]  It's unlikely, but I think that, you know, of the people who I see as people who would return an email.
[00:30:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:30:13]  If I hadn't listened to as much Alex as I have, I might be excited to find out who his guest is.
[00:30:18]  But unfortunately, I still remember how in 2013, he teased that he had the biggest guest ever coming on later in the week, and it turned out to be the Obama phone lady.
[00:30:27]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:27]  So I do not know where Alex is.
[00:30:30]  Like, this is a get.
[00:30:32]  That one was brutal.
[00:30:33]  Yeah.
[00:30:34]  That one, because I was, we were both excited.
[00:30:37]  We were both excited.
[00:30:38]  And then when it turned out to be the Obama phone lady, that was crushing.
[00:30:41]  It was.
[00:30:42]  That changed me.
[00:30:43]  So, Jordan, here's a random list of people that I think it might be.
[00:30:46]  And I'm mostly putting this list out there in case it's one of them so I look like a prophet.
[00:30:50]  Throw them all at the wall.
[00:30:51]  John Voigt, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan.
[00:30:54]  Yes.
[00:30:55]  Joey Salads, the congressional candidate who peed in his own mouth.
[00:30:58]  That really could be him.
[00:30:59]  Mel Gibson, Ted Kaczynski, John McAfee.
[00:31:02]  I think that one might be like a real front runner.
[00:31:06]  Is he still trapped on his island?
[00:31:08]  I have no idea what McAfee's up to at this point.
[00:31:10]  Anthony Scaramucci.
[00:31:12]  That's possible.
[00:31:12]  He talks a lot of shit.
[00:31:13]  I can see that one.
[00:31:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:15]  And just for long shot points, Bubba Sparks.
[00:31:18]  Bubba Sparks?
[00:31:19]  You're going to give it Bubba Sparks a chance?
[00:31:21]  I don't know.
[00:31:22]  All right.
[00:31:22]  If I'm a betting man, that's 225 to 1 odds.
[00:31:26]  I will give that to you.
[00:31:27]  I'm just putting a dollar on that in case.
[00:31:31]  Alex's show is so profoundly disappointing these days that it's very hard to hear something like what he's doing.
[00:31:36]  Like, they're going to put a bomb under my car because I'm doing this interview.
[00:31:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:39]  It's hard not to get a little excited about who that could be, the mystery.
[00:31:44]  But I'm going to bet just about everything I own that this is going to be a fucking zero.
[00:31:48]  You know what?
[00:31:49]  I am actually going to put the odds that it is the Obama phone lady again at two to one.
[00:31:54]  I consider it.
[00:31:54]  It is that bad.
[00:31:55]  I consider to be a possibility.
[00:31:57]  It is that bad.
[00:31:58]  Yeah.

=== Alex's Breaking News Claim (15:27) ===

[00:32:00]  So it turns out we get right back to the news about the people experiencing homelessness.
[00:32:07]  And Alex, this is stupid.
[00:32:13]  No, it's good.
[00:32:14]  Lires in our brains.
[00:32:15]  Big corporations putting them in there and laughing that the AI will take us over.
[00:32:20]  They're hiding it in plain view, Elon Musk, and it'll soon take you over.
[00:32:24]  With his eyes all jacked, his pupils all huge.
[00:32:27]  I mean, is he on freaking five hits of LSD or has he already got a brain chip?
[00:32:31]  They've already are wired up.
[00:32:33]  And let me tell you something.
[00:32:35]  I did some digging this morning right before I went live.
[00:32:38]  The company that's in Austin, wait for it, is doing it through a UN-connected grant, is microchipping the homeless in Austin.
[00:32:48]  They've already done it in Mexico and in Guatemala, and now it's here.
[00:32:54]  So my first thought about this is that it seems strange how every nefarious plot that the globalists try and pull off seems centralized in the exact same area Alex lives in.
[00:33:05]  It is kind of suspicious.
[00:33:06]  It just keeps coming up over and over again of these weird things Alex keeps rails about just keep happening in Austin.
[00:33:12]  Yeah, it's almost doesn't seem likely it's almost fictional.
[00:33:15]  Like it's almost like how geographical proximity bias.
[00:33:20]  It's like how so many of Stephen King's novels are set in Maine.
[00:33:24]  Yeah.
[00:33:24]  You know, there's a little bit of that kind of feel to it.
[00:33:27]  Yeah, statistically, it doesn't make sense how this keeps happening.
[00:33:30]  Austin is the center of the universe, actually.
[00:33:32]  Plus, if you are the globalist ne'er-do-wells and you have this crusading hero named Alex Jones, who's super good at digging into things and keeps uncovering your plots in his home city of Austin, it feels like you might move your operations somewhere else.
[00:33:44]  Just go to Cincinnati.
[00:33:46]  Alex doesn't give a shit about Cincinnati.
[00:33:48]  You can do whatever you want there.
[00:33:49]  Just go to Cincinnati, globalists.
[00:33:51]  Yeah, Cincinnati's nice.
[00:33:53]  As for the actual story Alex is talking about, in a very strange twist, he's not just making stuff up.
[00:33:58]  There is an organization that's working with people experiencing homelessness that will allow them to have an implantable form of identification.
[00:34:05]  The argument goes like this: in order to access many of the benefits that these folks depend on to survive and try and get their life back in order, people experiencing homelessness need identification documents.
[00:34:17]  However, these same people are precisely the ones whose life circumstances are such that they may have the worst ability to have secure places to store these documents.
[00:34:25]  Yeah, what are they going to fucking carry around carrying binders with them everywhere?
[00:34:29]  Totally.
[00:34:30]  If you live on the street or out of a backpack, you're one accident or a fight or a mugging away from losing your social security card, for example.
[00:34:38]  And that, you know, that could be a huge problem.
[00:34:40]  That's that.
[00:34:40]  And that's not even considering the possibility that just living in the elements might destroy your identification card without any incident or accident.
[00:34:48]  This leads to people in that situation having to be in a constant state of reapplying for these documents, which becomes an awful cycle that you end up in.
[00:34:58]  And you have to pay fees every single time.
[00:35:00]  And you can only imagine what kind of, like, that would cause a horrible psychological experience of feeling trapped and unable to get to the next step or having to constantly reset.
[00:35:10]  Right.
[00:35:10]  These sorts of barriers are a frustrating part of life for people in these circumstances.
[00:35:15]  And the goal that problems like this one in Austin, called MyPass, have is to eliminate some of those barriers so people can have a better chance of getting back to having a secure life.
[00:35:24]  Right.
[00:35:24]  I don't know how I feel about this program as a whole.
[00:35:27]  Obviously, I support the goal behind it, and anything that can be done to help people experiencing homelessness and that is developed with their input is something that is worth being explored.
[00:35:38]  There are some concerns you can have about data security, but the early trials of this program have shown a lot of promise.
[00:35:43]  And part of that is by using blockchain technology in order to service these chips.
[00:35:49]  So, you know, the control of the data is entirely under the control of the individual.
[00:35:54]  Like, if they need to prove a certain form of a medical identification, they can allow those people only to have access to that medical information.
[00:36:03]  There is some compartmentalization of the data through the blockchain that is allowed, which is actually very interesting the way they're trying to set this up.
[00:36:13]  And like I said, it shows some early promise on that front.
[00:36:16]  If those sorts of considerations are adequately taken into account and it's shown to help the community it's meant to help, then I don't see a good argument for being against this.
[00:36:25]  Whatever your position is on the issue, one thing that's important to point out is that Alex is presenting this like it's breaking news.
[00:36:32]  And that's because Mike Adams just ran a story about this on Natural News that Alex read, which is now he's acting like sound the alarm, they're chipping the homeless.
[00:36:40]  But don't get it twisted.
[00:36:42]  This is not news.
[00:36:43]  I found stories about the beginning of this program dating back to April 2018.
[00:36:48]  The Wall Street Journal covered it on June 26, 2018.
[00:36:51]  Harvard's Data Smart blog ran a piece about it on September 13th, 2018.
[00:36:56]  The Austin American Statesman covered a new grant for the program back on August 2nd, 2019.
[00:37:01]  Local news in Austin, KXAN, covered the program on July 31st, 2019.
[00:37:08]  This isn't something that's been like, you know, that's just been developed in secret.
[00:37:12]  It's not hidden in plain sight.
[00:37:14]  It's a program that aims to alleviate the often under-recognized hassles of experiencing homelessness, which many outlets have covered and discussed for a year and a half now.
[00:37:24]  Alex's team is just super bad at news.
[00:37:27]  So they had no idea that this microchipping program was happening in the city that they live in and operate out of.
[00:37:33]  This is just embarrassing stuff.
[00:37:35]  Like the severity of like, ah, this by the way, we've cracked the case on this is a mask that's covering, we didn't know about this for a year and a half.
[00:37:47]  And it should be a marquee issue for them.
[00:37:49]  Like this should be squarely in their wheelhouse.
[00:37:52]  This should be something they've been talking about for a year and a half.
[00:37:54]  At least.
[00:37:55]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:55]  I mean, it's literally the way that he describes the mark of the beast being carried out.
[00:38:01]  So if you were at all paying attention to news that is not coming from Mike Adams, especially if it's local news in Austin, you should definitely have been aware of it.
[00:38:11]  It suggests a really bad news diet on Alex's considering all sorts of other places have been very openly and Dan.
[00:38:19]  Were any of those on Drudge?
[00:38:21]  Any of those articles?
[00:38:21]  I don't know, maybe.
[00:38:22]  I don't know Drudge's choices.
[00:38:27]  So anyway, Alex is just trying to victimize the homeless community.
[00:38:31]  And one of the things that this achieves is disallow them to possibly have a better chance of breaking out of this cycle of needing to reapply for identification in order to get the ball rolling.
[00:38:45]  That's one thing.
[00:38:46]  Keep them trapped in the system that they're trapped in, which Alex is whether or not he's actively and actually in favor of that.
[00:38:52]  That's the function of what he's supporting.
[00:38:55]  And I would assume, based on everything I know about him, he's pretty much actively supporting destroying them.
[00:39:01]  Well, that's the other part of it.
[00:39:03]  is now you introduce the idea that his conception of people who have chips in them is that the AI can take over them or something like that.
[00:39:13]  So if you now introduce the...
[00:39:15]  Can't trust anybody with a chip in them.
[00:39:17]  Right.
[00:39:17]  Can't trust them.
[00:39:18]  Can't trust the homeless.
[00:39:19]  Can't trust them.
[00:39:19]  They're basically not even people anymore.
[00:39:21]  No, they're not.
[00:39:21]  They're just cyborgs.
[00:39:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:23]  They're not dominions of the globalists.
[00:39:26]  Why even bother with them?
[00:39:27]  They're foot soldiers.
[00:39:28]  It's crushingly dehumanizing to people who are in a very vulnerable state in life because of their circumstances.
[00:39:38]  And the idea that you would want to approach that situation and social problem and look at it like, let's make it worse for them.
[00:39:48]  Right.
[00:39:48]  Let's make people more suspicious and scared of them as opposed to how can we work together to rise people out of this.
[00:39:56]  We could end homelessness or we could end the homeless.
[00:40:01]  Those are the two options.
[00:40:02]  That is a good way to put it.
[00:40:03]  He is choosing the second one.
[00:40:05]  Or at least it seems like he prefers that approach.
[00:40:09]  And that's profoundly fucked up.
[00:40:12]  So we're done with that.
[00:40:14]  Alex talks about this quite a bit, but I'm putting that baby to bed.
[00:40:17]  What he's talking about is complete bullshit.
[00:40:20]  And I don't care to hear him say it over and over again.
[00:40:23]  Nope.
[00:40:24]  So Alex gets into talking about fluoride here.
[00:40:27]  And that's also kind of boring.
[00:40:29]  But I wanted to play this because I think that this is an interesting, rare, good ad pivot on Alex's part.
[00:40:36]  Okay.
[00:40:36]  He's in the middle of talking about fluoride bullshit.
[00:40:40]  Yeah.
[00:40:41]  And through the actual content he weaves into an ad, as opposed to that really clunky briefly.
[00:40:48]  Yeah.
[00:40:49]  Like that sort of thing.
[00:40:50]  This is actually kind of smooth.
[00:40:51]  You wonder why everybody's so dumb and looks like zombies and are so damn ugly.
[00:40:56]  It's the fluoride.
[00:40:59]  They take out the good halogen, the iodine.
[00:41:02]  They put the bad one in.
[00:41:03]  And I get up here and sensationally lay it all out with the government documents, the periodic table, and try to launch a movement against it so that people understand the fluoride out, get the good iodine in.
[00:41:14]  And yes, we sell the best, cleanest, best iodine out there, a symbiotic relationship, fund the Infowar, and get the best X2, the best X3.
[00:41:23]  X3 is great for kids.
[00:41:24]  See, the reason that I think that's a little smoother is because it is just normal content of the show that starts to get defensive.
[00:41:31]  And then while he's still in the same sentence, there is an A to B that goes in that, that gets to like, before you know it, you're in the middle of an ad.
[00:41:41]  Right, right, right.
[00:41:42]  It's how he should be doing this.
[00:41:45]  It's almost a little scarier because on some level, it is like, well, that's the way you hide this battery.
[00:41:52]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:53]  He wasn't even bothering to try and hide it.
[00:41:55]  No, I mean, to a certain extent, you could imagine him manufacturing stories that would allow him to talk about each specific product.
[00:42:03]  I hate to say this, Jordan, but I kind of do imagine that.
[00:42:06]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:08]  I hate to say this, Jordan, but I think I've demonstrated that a little bit in the past.
[00:42:14]  No, I mean, more specifically like that.
[00:42:16]  Yeah.
[00:42:17]  Line by line, like going down, like, oh, the fluoride takes away iodine.
[00:42:21]  Right.
[00:42:21]  It's your iodine.
[00:42:22]  It's stupid and ugly.
[00:42:23]  Yeah.
[00:42:24]  The dogs take away your energy.
[00:42:26]  And here's my, you know, like that whole thing.
[00:42:28]  Yeah.
[00:42:29]  It could, if he were smart, it could lead to much better planned shows where he's like, all right, so the break is at 16 of the hour.
[00:42:40]  So by minute 14 of the hour, I've got to be in the middle of a rant about fluoride.
[00:42:46]  Yeah.
[00:42:46]  And I need to be able to sort of smoothly weave this along and make it appear hidden.
[00:42:53]  Right.
[00:42:54]  And maybe he will.
[00:42:55]  I don't know.
[00:42:56]  It's what he should have been doing all along.
[00:42:57]  Yeah, it would be a smart move.
[00:42:58]  So this briefly.
[00:42:59]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:43:00]  We got good iodine.
[00:43:02]  So that goes to commercial.
[00:43:04]  He starts pitching the iodine stuff.
[00:43:06]  It goes to commercial, and then Alex has a weird commercial for his iodine once it goes to commercial.
[00:43:12]  And I don't cover the commercials these days too much because they're mostly like just Alex saying please buy my shit.
[00:43:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:43:18]  But this one I think was a little bit worth checking in on.
[00:43:23]  Again, I'm not talking down to the Infowars audience, but I've been banging my head against a wall for a long time on this.
[00:43:30]  And I'm talking about fluoride and I'm talking about iodine.
[00:43:34]  Now, if you have a boat, a motorboat, let's say an old Glastron boat, and you want to take it on the lake, you've got to have a lake to put it in.
[00:43:44]  If you're a human being, you've got to have oxygen to live.
[00:43:47]  Okay, it's the same thing.
[00:43:48]  Well, ladies and gentlemen, the bad halogen is fluoride.
[00:43:52]  That's why in every Western nation, they put it in the water.
[00:43:54]  They're going to teach us Christians to lay down and die.
[00:43:56]  The Chikoms don't put it in the water.
[00:43:58]  They'd execute you if you did that.
[00:44:00]  They put iodine in the water because it's the good halogen and increases fertility and lifespan and intelligence and everything else.
[00:44:08]  So this is like a string of commercials that he's doing where he's not condescending to his audience.
[00:44:13]  Yeah, that is a weird sort of ad campaign.
[00:44:17]  Yeah.
[00:44:18]  I'm not talking down to you.
[00:44:20]  I own a chainsaw.
[00:44:21]  You need water for a boat.
[00:44:22]  Right, right.
[00:44:23]  That was one of the weirder ads I think I've ever heard.
[00:44:26]  You don't hear like professional ad people going like, let's put in an overly complicated analogy that doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it.
[00:44:35]  No, no, it's not.
[00:44:36]  It's not good.
[00:44:37]  And actually, I want to talk about why it's not good.
[00:44:41]  So one thing that's important here is that that metaphor does not work.
[00:44:45]  Comparing a human's need for oxygen to a boat's need for water kind of works.
[00:44:49]  Like we need to be in an oxygen-rich environment to survive, and a boat needs to be in water to do what it's supposed to do as a boat.
[00:44:56]  But I think a submarine would be a better choice for Alex in terms of the parallels.
[00:45:00]  Yeah.
[00:45:00]  Since if a boat is surrounded by water, it's not going to run very well.
[00:45:03]  But I'm just nitpicking you.
[00:45:04]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:45:05]  As for the metaphor working for iodine in the body, that's where things fall apart.
[00:45:09]  We do need iodine, like, you know, to live, but we don't need to live in an atmosphere that's iodine-rich.
[00:45:16]  We just need to take a little bit of it for our bodies to function properly.
[00:45:19]  I would say his metaphor should have been that it's like the fuel that the boat needs to run.
[00:45:24]  But even that isn't very fair.
[00:45:25]  Food is food.
[00:45:26]  That's the fuel for us.
[00:45:28]  Iodine's a mineral that helps the body work well.
[00:45:31]  It would be like antifreeze.
[00:45:32]  Yeah.
[00:45:33]  Or maybe the piston lube or something.
[00:45:35]  I can see you.
[00:45:35]  I could probably come up with a better example, but I'm not a machine guy.
[00:45:38]  Let's just go with oil.
[00:45:39]  Anyway, I'm being nitpicky here.
[00:45:42]  That's all secondary.
[00:45:44]  There's a more important issue, and it has to do with this stuff about China and all that.
[00:45:48]  My first comment is to say that him saying that the globalists put fluoride in the water in the West to attack Christians is maybe making his Christian identity ideas a little bit too overt.
[00:45:59]  Yeah.
[00:45:59]  That is not a dog whistle.
[00:46:01]  That's a fucking siren.
[00:46:02]  Keep in mind that this is how Alex is trying to market his products.
[00:46:06]  I don't feel like his ad reads used to be nearly that blunt.
[00:46:10]  I think that that signals like, I'm trying to sell to a specific audience.
[00:46:14]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:46:15]  He could, however, have just said, N-word, N-ward, N-word, N-word, please buy iodine.
[00:46:20]  It could.
[00:46:21]  Basically the same thing.
[00:46:22]  Maybe.
[00:46:23]  Keep that thought for later.
[00:46:24]  All right.
[00:46:25]  Which I hate to say.
[00:46:26]  Oh, no.
[00:46:26]  Oh, no.
[00:46:28]  So my first glaring problem with the content of what he's talking about is that most of Europe doesn't add fluoride to their water.
[00:46:37]  Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, none of them practice fluoridation.
[00:46:43]  And there are plenty of Christians in those countries, and many of them are considered parts of what most people think of as the West, which is a problem for Alex's narrative that he's selling about they put fluoride in to teach us Christians to lay down and die.
[00:46:55]  See, that's where you're missing it.
[00:46:56]  They put fluoride in all the holy water in Europe.
[00:46:59]  That's how they weed them out.
[00:47:01]  All right.
[00:47:02]  Yeah.
[00:47:02]  As for China and fluoridation, Alex is correct that they don't add fluoride to the water there, but he's missing out on some important context.
[00:47:10]  China and India both don't add fluoride to the water, partially because they exist geographically on top of a gigantic belt of naturally occurring fluoride.

=== China's Iodine Solution (02:17) ===

[00:47:19]  This belt contains 85 million tons of fluoride, and it has the expected effect of making their water supplies naturally high in fluoride.
[00:47:27]  There'd be no point in adding fluoride to their water since the naturally occurring levels are often higher than any place in the United States, even after we've added fluoride to the water.
[00:47:36]  This is a public health problem that's caused increased rates of detrimosis and even fluoride toxicity in these parts of the world.
[00:47:43]  It's a very heavily discussed issue, and anybody who knows anything about the real issues in the world related to fluoride would understand this clearly.
[00:47:50]  All Alex knows is that China doesn't add fluoride to their water, and that's all he needs to know.
[00:47:54]  Bada bing, bada boom, let's make a narrative out of it.
[00:47:57]  I could find, I can't find any information concretely about China adding iodine to their water, but they did pass regulations in 1995 about adding iodine to salt to address the high prevalence of iodine deficiency in the population.
[00:48:11]  Well, the U.S. hasn't made a law about it.
[00:48:13]  We've been adding iodine to table salt since 1924, and current estimates say about 70% of all salt sold in the United States is iodized.
[00:48:21]  That number would probably be higher, but we don't have as big of an iodine deficiency problem as China did, most likely due to varying iodine levels in each country's natural water supplies.
[00:48:34]  Who cares?
[00:48:35]  So, what you're saying is the globalists went back in time and put all the fluoride in the earth in order to get rid of the Chinese.
[00:48:43]  I guess Alex could make that argument, which would be interesting.
[00:48:46]  Like, some sort of time-traveling patriot went.
[00:48:49]  Yeah, I think so.
[00:48:51]  I think the globalists are hiding fluoride under the ground in order to take down the East.
[00:48:58]  There is no bridge that's too far for Alex to go at this point.
[00:49:02]  Why not just sell that?
[00:49:03]  There's no.
[00:49:04]  But you understand, there are real world issues that explain a lot of this stuff that Alex is trying to pass off as like this is an attempt to attack the West through fluoride.

=== Appeal to White Christian Victimhood (02:52) ===

[00:49:15]  Read a little, Alex.
[00:49:16]  I'm kind of mad that he hasn't insisted that the globalists have perfected time travel yet.
[00:49:22]  He should be there by now.
[00:49:23]  I think it's implied that he does believe.
[00:49:26]  I don't know.
[00:49:27]  My point here, Jordan, is that Alex is very stupid.
[00:49:30]  His stupidity carries over even into his ads, which are now starting to sound a little bit like an open appeal to white Christian victimhood narratives.
[00:49:38]  Right, right.
[00:49:39]  Way more than normal.
[00:49:40]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:41]  I think his new line of InfoWars-branded hoods, that's not good.
[00:49:47]  This indicates to me a bit of a lack of interest in any other demographics, which kind of makes sense.
[00:49:52]  Like, when you target your marketing that selectively, it's not a good sign for your business because you're alienating people who are outside of that possible market.
[00:50:01]  Yeah.
[00:50:02]  When you're doing that while you're also running an everything must-go sale, it kind of feels like you're circling the drain.
[00:50:08]  When you're really going niche with it, trying to empty your warehouse so you can theoretically make it longer.
[00:50:14]  Yeah.
[00:50:15]  I mean, I guess in 2019, it wouldn't surprise me if the only people buying his shit were white nationalists, anyways.
[00:50:24]  So, why even bother?
[00:50:26]  Like, is it really a niche audience or is it just his audience?
[00:50:29]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:50:30]  Well, I understand that, and I think that we've sort of touched on that over the course of doing this show.
[00:50:35]  It's like in the same way that that sort of content-led hidden ad is what he should have been doing all along.
[00:50:43]  Right.
[00:50:43]  This is what he should have been doing all along.
[00:50:45]  Of course.
[00:50:45]  He should be coding all of his marketing messages.
[00:50:47]  Right.
[00:50:47]  But I believe that in the past, he's felt like I have a broader appeal than I do.
[00:50:54]  You know, you imagine you're casting this wide net and getting as many people as possible.
[00:50:58]  And now the pretense has kind of fallen.
[00:51:00]  At least these are the indications that I start to get.
[00:51:03]  Like, you wouldn't be throwing that rambling about Christians being under attack in the commercial.
[00:51:10]  Yeah.
[00:51:11]  It feels that way.
[00:51:12]  And maybe I've missed a number of commercials he's done in the past where he has been that overt, but I don't remember hearing a lot of that.
[00:51:20]  It struck me even as a little bit surprising.
[00:51:23]  I can see him previously, like back when he was on Facebook and shit, having to pretend to cast a wide net, you know, in order to block the perception that he is only speaking to white nationalists, even though he knows he's only speaking to white nationalists, he still has to pretend like he doesn't in order for people to think that he's a more mainstreamer.
[00:51:49]  There's a necessary wink.
[00:51:50]  And now that he's off Facebook, he can just be like, fuck it.

=== Alex's Illicit Excuses (04:45) ===

[00:51:53]  We're all white nationalists here, guys.
[00:51:55]  Let's put our robes on and go for it.
[00:51:57]  Yeah.
[00:51:58]  So, I don't know.
[00:51:59]  And, you know, this sort of news headline rundown only seems to reinforce that sort of feeling.
[00:52:07]  Tyranny 2.0, Proud Boys sentenced to four years in prison for defending themselves from Antifa attack.
[00:52:13]  Oh, boy.
[00:52:15]  Alex and his ilk can make excuses for their beloved fascist street gang all they want, but in doing so, all they do is reveal what they really support.
[00:52:23]  Alex can get on his show and here and report the news of these two Proud Boys who are being sent to jail after being found guilty of attempted gang assault and rioting stemming from a brawl in New York last October that took place after their leader, Gavin McGuinness, gave a speech.
[00:52:36]  He can say all they did was defend themselves from an Antifa attack, but that isn't true.
[00:52:41]  And if he was in any way interested in reality, he would know that.
[00:52:46]  Alex is operating off of one video that was widely circulated by the right-wing media, which appeared to show one of the victims of the beating throwing a water bottle at the Proud Boys.
[00:52:54]  And thus the argument goes, the Proud Boys were just defending themselves.
[00:52:57]  Antifa started it.
[00:52:59]  Subsequent videos have come to the surface that show a very different story.
[00:53:03]  There is a water bottle thrown, but the person who throws it is doing so in response to one of the Proud Boys literally charging at them with his fist cocked back.
[00:53:11]  These aren't children.
[00:53:13]  One of the men who was sentenced is 39 years old, and he joined a group where the only way to get in is to name serials while the gang punches you.
[00:53:21]  Yeah.
[00:53:22]  I'm kind of sick of the bullshit, so I'm just going to put this simply: The Proud Boys is an organization that is based in violence.
[00:53:29]  Their initiation ritual is based on a mock jumping-in ceremony.
[00:53:33]  Gavin created the gang with a tiered structure of membership where the only way to get to the fourth level of initiation is to get into a violent confrontation with Antifa.
[00:53:42]  From the second you joined with the Proud Boys, and as you work your way up the ranks, everything is centered around either implied or real political and physical violence.
[00:53:51]  If Antifa had a leader who had said specifically that they created this group as a way of getting into fights against people they're politically disagreeing with and made submitting to an act of group violence necessary to join and created a hierarchy ladder that required violence to climb, I promise you, I would not find that acceptable, even if I completely agreed with what they stood for and were working for.
[00:54:14]  In the case of Gavin and the Proud Boys, I find what they stand for repulsive, and their entire structure is indistinguishable from a gang.
[00:54:22]  It's a real lame gang, mostly centered around misplaced feelings of victimhood, but it's a gang nonetheless.
[00:54:27]  Yep.
[00:54:27]  Anyone carrying water for the Proud Boys in 2019 knows exactly what they're doing.
[00:54:32]  They want groups of extremely right-wing white men to have free reign to assault people they politically disagree with.
[00:54:38]  That is what Alex wants, and that is why he's presenting their incarceration as Tyranny 2.0.
[00:54:44]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:45]  No, it's very clear now.
[00:54:47]  Make America Great Again is about when we used to always have roving gangs of white men hurting and murdering people that they didn't like.
[00:54:56]  Defending the Proud Boys who got sentenced for this is only protecting that.
[00:55:04]  That's the only thing you're doing.
[00:55:05]  It was really weird.
[00:55:06]  Or you're dumb.
[00:55:07]  Or you're dumb and you follow for the right-wing line.
[00:55:10]  And if Alex is that stupid, then he has no business being a commentator.
[00:55:14]  No, of course not.
[00:55:15]  But I'm trying to be overly generous.
[00:55:16]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:55:17]  Like, I could see that as someone thinking that and not actually wanting roving gangs of white dudes to be able to assault whoever they want.
[00:55:26]  Right.
[00:55:27]  Alex, if that were true for him, he needs to get off air because he is so stupid and so unable to present information that what he's doing is accidentally misleading literally everybody who listens to his show.
[00:55:43]  Well, you know, I know he's not that stupid, and I know he knows what's going on because that clip of the guy throwing the water bottle, obviously the right-wing edited.
[00:55:54]  What they did was they started the clip with Peter Griffin running Boston Mary.
[00:56:01]  So, you know, it was totally that.
[00:56:04]  They know.
[00:56:05]  To be honest, right?
[00:56:06]  I was trying to listen to you, and I agree with what you're saying, but I'm very self-conscious that I've talked about that bone thugs and Phil Collins song.
[00:56:12]  You're going to be okay.
[00:56:13]  Dan, you're going to be okay.
[00:56:14]  It's going to haunt me for a long time.
[00:56:15]  You like this song.
[00:56:17]  You can talk about the same thing.
[00:56:18]  It's not more than one.
[00:56:18]  I forget about liking it.
[00:56:20]  I know.
[00:56:20]  It's fine.
[00:56:21]  We all rediscovered this.

=== Bitch Ban Laws (07:07) ===

[00:56:22]  You might be a huge Phil Collins fan.
[00:56:25]  I really wish you weren't.
[00:56:26]  Easy Lover is a great song.
[00:56:27]  I know, I know, I know.
[00:56:29]  Easy Lover.
[00:56:30]  We've got to get you out of here.
[00:56:32]  What are you, a dad in the 80s?
[00:56:33]  What is that?
[00:56:34]  You want to get me out of the house?
[00:56:35]  Get Phil Collins to come to town.
[00:56:37]  I'll go to a Phil Collins.
[00:56:40]  Have it at Wrigley Field.
[00:56:41]  For sure.
[00:56:42]  All right.
[00:56:43]  So that's not the only headline Alex wants to talk about.
[00:56:45]  He's got another big story that he wants to.
[00:56:49]  He doesn't really talk about this too much, but it's definitely like a touchstone that he's like, yeah, look at this.
[00:56:54]  Look at this.
[00:56:56]  There's also folks trying to pass laws banning the word bitch.
[00:57:00]  Oh, what about this?
[00:57:03]  Man, Sheck West is going to be fucked.
[00:57:05]  If you ban bitch, Sheck Wes is done for.
[00:57:08]  Yeah.
[00:57:09]  No one is trying to ban the word bitch.
[00:57:11]  Actually, that's not true.
[00:57:12]  There's one person who is a random person in Massachusetts.
[00:57:16]  All right.
[00:57:17]  In the state house in Massachusetts, Representative Dan Hunt introduced this bill that would outlaw the B word.
[00:57:24]  But it wasn't because he was trying to censor people or overturn free speech, as Alex and most of the right-wing media would have you believe.
[00:57:30]  It's because he was following Massachusetts law.
[00:57:33]  How dare you!
[00:57:35]  Massachusetts has what's known as the right of free petition that's built into the state constitution and actually predates the founding of the United States, which allows citizens to send bills to their representatives to be introduced.
[00:57:46]  It's the responsibility of state reps to give their constituents a fair hearing in the state government, and that's exactly what happened here.
[00:57:53]  An unnamed Massachusetts resident sent Dan Hunt a bill to introduce that would outlaw the use of the word bitch, and he did what he was supposed to do since he represents that person.
[00:58:03]  According to The Guardian, at least 6,000 bills get introduced through the right of free petition in Massachusetts every year.
[00:58:09]  This is kind of a perfect example of why Alex Jones fucking sucks.
[00:58:13]  It's so interesting how Massachusetts has this right of free petition.
[00:58:17]  Yeah, and I have never heard of that before.
[00:58:19]  Why do I not know about that?
[00:58:20]  And if I were one of his listeners, I would probably get a lot out of learning about how and why they're the only state in the country whose state government works that way.
[00:58:28]  There's a lot of opportunity for some much-needed civics education here.
[00:58:31]  And this is a perfect way in for that to go down that direction.
[00:58:35]  Yeah.
[00:58:36]  Alex could talk about how this quirk of Massachusetts law has allowed real direct action to take place.
[00:58:41]  Like how in 2013, an eight-year-old kid was pushing for a bill to put restrictions on shark finning.
[00:58:47]  Or Alex could go the opposite direction and talk about how in 2011 someone tried to request their representative do something about how football games were preempting jeopardy.
[00:58:55]  It's the yin and the yang of people actually having a voice.
[00:58:59]  Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize I know why I don't know about this.
[00:59:04]  They do not want people to know about this.
[00:59:06]  How many of those 6,000 petitions are fuck Dave?
[00:59:10]  This guy's an asshole.
[00:59:12]  If you can go on change.org and see exactly what people would do if everybody knew about this circumstance.
[00:59:19]  Yeah, I mean, a lot of people do in Massachusetts.
[00:59:21]  It's just maybe not known.
[00:59:24]  If you live in Massachusetts, I want you to send a bill to your representative, make Knowledge Fight the state podcast.
[00:59:30]  I lived in Boston for a number of years and Cambridge.
[00:59:34]  Give me the key to the city.
[00:59:36]  I love it.
[00:59:36]  Yeah.
[00:59:37]  Knowledge Fight is your new state podcast, and Dan gets the key to Boston.
[00:59:41]  No, What?
[00:59:43]  We don't need to be the official state podcast, but I would like a parade.
[00:59:48]  All right.
[00:59:49]  We can do that.
[00:59:50]  Listeners at Massachusetts.
[00:59:52]  Give us a parade.
[00:59:55]  So, like, this is the sort of thing.
[00:59:57]  I mean, granted, maybe we're abusing the system a little bit here, but there's a lot that Alex could bring to the conversation to be like, what is behind this clickbait story?
[01:00:06]  Right.
[01:00:06]  This is interesting.
[01:00:07]  This is how civics works in one of the great states in our country.
[01:00:10]  And instead, he just ignores all of that.
[01:00:12]  He doesn't even look at the issue at all.
[01:00:14]  He just sees a headline about someone trying to outlaw the word bitch, and he just takes it, says good enough, and builds an outrage cycle about how they're trying to suppress free speech.
[01:00:22]  And the globalists want to control how you talk.
[01:00:25]  It's pathetic and trivial.
[01:00:27]  It's pointless to even critique because what he's doing is so uninspired, so transparent, except to the completely, hopelessly lost among his audience.
[01:00:35]  What makes it so insanely dumb is to imagine that what he's saying actually is true.
[01:00:41]  Imagine if he's right.
[01:00:42]  Imagine that someone in the Massachusetts State House was trying to ban the word bitch.
[01:00:46]  Who gives a shit?
[01:00:47]  That bill would never pass.
[01:00:49]  Yeah, no kidding.
[01:00:49]  And even if it did, the Massachusetts ACLU, who Alex hates, would get it struck down so fast.
[01:00:55]  This is just right-wing outrage clickbait, pure and simple.
[01:00:58]  And when you really get down to it, that's most of what Alex has left.
[01:01:02]  And it's sad.
[01:01:03]  That's what they all have left.
[01:01:05]  Right.
[01:01:05]  But Alex, you know, he was bigger than this.
[01:01:09]  Yeah, there was a time.
[01:01:10]  Or at least he pretended to be bigger than this.
[01:01:12]  I mean, I'm higher-minded.
[01:01:14]  I suppose it's just too often.
[01:01:17]  I mean, it's all of right-wing media now because reality is starkly against them.
[01:01:23]  You know, they have set themselves so fucking headstrong against the concept of reality itself that what else do they have?
[01:01:30]  They can't talk about a story.
[01:01:32]  They have to make it up.
[01:01:34]  I think it's one of those things where you had like a really good, not a good, but you had a sustainable balance between these con, these right-wing con folk and the rest of the world who just wanted to move forward.
[01:01:46]  Right, right, right.
[01:01:47]  It was a kind of adversarial, like, all right.
[01:01:51]  They flew too close to the sun.
[01:01:52]  They took the game to too high of a level where it's just like everyone is now like, okay, you're a problem.
[01:01:59]  Could have flown under the radar for quite a while.
[01:02:01]  It really could have.
[01:02:01]  It's like if you're at, you know, you got a job, you can steal like $10 a day easy.
[01:02:07]  Yeah.
[01:02:07]  But if you try and steal $100 in one day, you'll get caught.
[01:02:10]  You wait, spread it out over 10 days, you can steal $100 easy.
[01:02:14]  No one's going to notice.
[01:02:15]  Oh, yeah.
[01:02:17]  I'm not sure if this works at every workplace, but you get the theme.
[01:02:19]  Like, they could have kept stealing $10 a day, but they wanted that $100.
[01:02:23]  Right.
[01:02:24]  And this is the consequence of it.
[01:02:26]  I mean, it's the one less job conundrum.
[01:02:29]  You know, you're running robbing banks.
[01:02:32]  You're not going for the vault.
[01:02:33]  You're just going for the cash.
[01:02:35]  You're doing great.
[01:02:36]  You do the one big job and then you're fucked.
[01:02:39]  That's how it goes.
[01:02:40]  Yeah.
[01:02:41]  So, no, this isn't the only free speech issue that Alex has to talk about here.
[01:02:45]  He's got another headline.
[01:02:47]  So here's a short clip of the video that was shot by the person that complained.
[01:02:54]  And reportedly, it might have been the N-word.
[01:02:56]  We don't get to hear it.
[01:02:57]  It's just, it's too dangerous for us evil Americans once the passion of free speech.
[01:03:01]  And so these guys are walking along together saying the verboten word, but a good citizen caught it.
[01:03:10]  There's a big investigation.
[01:03:11]  Everyone's panicking in fear right now at the university.

=== False Punishments? (15:34) ===

[01:03:14]  Here it is.
[01:03:25]  Well, this is just incredible.
[01:03:27]  We might as well just eat the planet at this point.
[01:03:30]  And of course, these are the same universities banning Halloween parties, just someone might get offended.
[01:03:34]  Don't worry, the ADL came out and said the okay symbol that law enforcement uses, that divers use, that the International Sign Language Association's used for over 100 years.
[01:03:46]  All the times Obama did this.
[01:03:47]  Well, it's okay.
[01:03:48]  The ADL says he can do it.
[01:03:49]  You just can't do it.
[01:03:51]  Okay, and of course, in the NBA, there's a popular clothing line with a three-point symbol.
[01:03:56]  It's okay.
[01:03:57]  Black guys wear it.
[01:03:58]  But if the ADL decides you're going to lose your bank accounts, you're going to go to jail.
[01:04:03]  Because they're our bosses, and the Southern Property Law Center is our boss as well.
[01:04:08]  So men arrested for speech in Connecticut.
[01:04:10]  They were arrested for speech.
[01:04:12]  So this is a case where a couple of white students were repeatedly yelling the N-word on the campus of UConn outside student dorms.
[01:04:19]  While it's not illegal to say the N-word, I do think there's a good reason why action had to be taken here.
[01:04:25]  For one, this was on campus property, and it happened at night and in such a public manner that someone in one of the buildings taped it.
[01:04:33]  This does create an environment where if you're a black student in one of those dorms, it would be hard to imagine that it would not, like, it not making you feel unsafe.
[01:04:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:04:43]  It would make you feel unwelcome.
[01:04:45]  And it doesn't even need to be the N-word specifically.
[01:04:49]  If they were out there just screaming, blood, blood, blood, it's the same, you'd be like, no, we got to get you the fuck out of here.
[01:04:55]  Well, yeah.
[01:04:56]  And when you add the racial element to it, it doesn't have to be the N-word, but it could be some other term or it's the factor of it that is less the word itself and the behavior.
[01:05:11]  The way that you're doing it, it is a threat.
[01:05:13]  You are threatening people.
[01:05:15]  You're not just exercising free sense.
[01:05:17]  The word is bad.
[01:05:18]  The behavior is the problem.
[01:05:21]  The biggest problem.
[01:05:22]  The word's a big problem, too.
[01:05:23]  But if you're the school administrators, you have to do something.
[01:05:27]  If you don't do anything, you're sending the message that you run a school where this kind of thing is acceptable.
[01:05:32]  And making people feel unwelcome because of their race is okay.
[01:05:36]  It has a very dangerous normalizing effect to just let students run around campus yelling the N-word from a school admin perspective.
[01:05:43]  The real options here are either kick them out of school or enforce some kind of punishment and hope that they learn from their mistake.
[01:05:50]  These kids were charged with ridicule based on race, which is a crime in Connecticut.
[01:05:55]  According to their general statutes in Connecticut, the law, the punishment for this is a fine of up to $50 or 30 days in prison.
[01:06:02]  These kids will definitely not get any jail time for this.
[01:06:05]  So if I had to bet, I would say that they're going to end up with a $50 fine.
[01:06:09]  This is really actually what I think, and maybe I'm wrong on this.
[01:06:14]  I'm willing to be told that I'm wrong.
[01:06:16]  But I kind of feel like this is a good process for dealing with abhorrent behavior like this, particularly in a college setting.
[01:06:23]  There needs to be a punishment, but it shouldn't be overly harsh.
[01:06:26]  And the door needs to be open for them to learn about why they did this thing and why it's awful.
[01:06:32]  So when you have a punishment like this, it's a negative reinforcement, and that's good.
[01:06:38]  And it also opens up the possibility of them speaking to people who have a different perspective than them.
[01:06:45]  And it allows for a conversation with them, hopefully, to become aware of why this is like, why people take this seriously.
[01:06:54]  It is a healthy process that can go on.
[01:06:59]  And that process is completely disrupted by people like Alex and all this outrage-driven right-wing media.
[01:07:06]  Because of their framing of the case, people like Alex have created the illusion that these two kids are involved in a very important free speech case.
[01:07:13]  If they're so inclined, these kids could choose to learn no lesson from this because of the exposure that they're getting and take their metric tons of free publicity and turn it into a little grift.
[01:07:24]  In essence, what the right-wing media does is create a countervailing force against the process of growth that could run its course without people like Alex getting involved.
[01:07:33]  It's not to say that these kids are going to do this, but they could, you know, start a GoFundMe for their $50 fines and end up raising $50,000.
[01:07:42]  You know, I'm not saying they're going to do that, but you could easily see, like, oh, let's fucking capitalize on this.
[01:07:48]  Right, right, right.
[01:07:49]  That sort of attention and coverage that they're getting from the right-wing media, it gives cases like this the possibility of another path to go down as opposed to learning.
[01:08:00]  And I think that some people might say, like, yeah, you should kick them out of school.
[01:08:04]  And I think in egregious examples, yeah, you probably should.
[01:08:08]  In this case, I think that you have the opportunity for some sort of reconciliation.
[01:08:15]  I think that you definitely have the this isn't I know that they were screaming the n-word, but on an examination of it, like the circumstances of the case, it seemed like they were yelling other words as well that weren't like targeting black people and were just trying to play a game where they yelled offensive words.
[01:08:35]  Oh, okay.
[01:08:36]  So the it's like the penis game.
[01:08:38]  Sure.
[01:08:39]  Where two guys just keep penis, penis, penis, pen.
[01:08:42]  You know, they keep trying to like that, but they were being horribly fucking offensive.
[01:08:45]  Yeah.
[01:08:46]  So the issue comes down to like, okay, given those circumstances, the effect on people who are in those dorms and affected by their behavior is not changed.
[01:08:57]  Yeah.
[01:08:57]  But the possibility that they could learn from this and aren't people who want to run around and try and terrorize people is still there.
[01:09:06]  So you need to make it so the punishment isn't so severe that it inhibits the possibility of learning from it.
[01:09:14]  I don't know.
[01:09:15]  I would be interested in other people's perspective on it.
[01:09:17]  But from where I am looking at it, like trying to imagine how you would handle this from a school superintendent perspective, that seems like the most likely to get the desired outcome that you want.
[01:09:31]  I suppose my only like what you're looking for is something that's just.
[01:09:38]  You want something that is equally treating the problem and that kind of stuff.
[01:09:46]  And that's another thing that the right-wing media is absolutely against.
[01:09:51]  Right.
[01:09:51]  You want to treat the problem and also honor the people who are being affected by the behavior.
[01:09:59]  You need to balance those two things.
[01:10:01]  Right.
[01:10:01]  And the right-wing media is like, what if instead we turn them into martyrs?
[01:10:05]  Yes.
[01:10:05]  That sounds great.
[01:10:06]  Yeah.
[01:10:07]  The ultimate outcome is taking those two considerations and looking for the best way forward in a possible way, like a way that is actually achievable.
[01:10:19]  And this behavior from the right-wing media is not particularly conducive to that.
[01:10:24]  No.
[01:10:24]  The right-wing media is participating in protecting what is a fundamentally unjust system.
[01:10:31]  And they fucking love it.
[01:10:33]  I mean, it goes, I mean, it runs through this, like Alex saying that the proud boy is getting arrested.
[01:10:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:10:38]  It's tyranny.
[01:10:41]  It all runs the same track.
[01:10:43]  And Alex doesn't care about this because of free speech.
[01:10:46]  He just wants white people to be allowed to yell racial slurs and create hostile spaces for non-white people.
[01:10:51]  He doesn't think that that's a problem.
[01:10:53]  Yeah, no big deal.
[01:10:54]  Free speech, Dan.
[01:10:55]  So Norm Pattis comes on at this point while Alex is getting into this story about these two students in Connecticut.
[01:11:03]  And Norm wants to be their lawyer.
[01:11:07]  And in talking about why he wants to be their lawyer, warning, Norm uses a word that he shouldn't use.
[01:11:15]  Oh, no.
[01:11:16]  We're hoping the phone rings and one of these kids calls.
[01:11:19]  Because I think this case is ripe for a constitutional challenge.
[01:11:22]  This country has always had a robust commitment to freedom of speech, even offensive speech.
[01:11:27]  And the N-word is one of those words which is context-driven.
[01:11:31]  If a black person says to another person, yo, nigga, what up?
[01:11:34]  That's fine.
[01:11:34]  If I walk up to a black person and say, yo, nigga, what up?
[01:11:37]  That's a crime.
[01:11:38]  And so what makes this word offensive is the context in which it is used.
[01:11:43]  And that gives the person offended the ability to turn the honor off quickly.
[01:11:48]  Norm.
[01:11:49]  Norm.
[01:11:52]  Whoa.
[01:11:54]  Oh, okay.
[01:11:56]  All right, Norm.
[01:11:59]  Oh, boy.
[01:12:01]  Ooh.
[01:12:03]  That's really just.
[01:12:05]  Man, that's when you're trying to shoot an arrow at a barn and you just miss.
[01:12:08]  You miss to the side of the bar.
[01:12:11]  Jesus.
[01:12:13]  These types of white dude are just never going to fucking get it.
[01:12:15]  They're just never going to get it.
[01:12:17]  They just want to say the N-word real bad because they're not supposed to.
[01:12:21]  I hate them.
[01:12:22]  It's so stupid.
[01:12:24]  It's very weird.
[01:12:25]  It's very, because there's no need for Norm to say that.
[01:12:29]  No.
[01:12:29]  He said the N-word, like the word N-word earlier in that same sentence.
[01:12:34]  Yeah.
[01:12:34]  There's no reason for.
[01:12:36]  And he totally.
[01:12:37]  Hey, hey, hey.
[01:12:38]  You know for a fact.
[01:12:39]  You know for a fact that he was like, well, I'm not hitting the hard R, so I'm probably fine.
[01:12:45]  You know it.
[01:12:45]  You hear it in his head.
[01:12:47]  You hear his thoughts come out where he's like, see, I'm genius.
[01:12:51]  Right.
[01:12:52]  But also, like, this is something that is so elementary and so simple that, yes, most language does work as circumstantial.
[01:13:02]  Like, if I come up to you and I say, give me a dollar, that's not any kind of like intimidation.
[01:13:07]  But if I yell at you, give me a dollar.
[01:13:09]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:13:09]  And it turns into a situation where the interaction between us has absolutely changed based on the context of what's being said and how it's being said.
[01:13:18]  Absolutely.
[01:13:19]  Like, are you serious you don't understand that, Norm?
[01:13:22]  It is funny how he's like, see, it's a context-driven word, and now I'm going to use it in the precise wrong context to use this word.
[01:13:31]  I would argue that anytime it's being thrown out on Alex's show, it's a very oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding.
[01:13:36]  And it's nuts.
[01:13:37]  I don't think I, I maybe have heard, I don't know if I've heard the N-word on Alex's show in the past.
[01:13:43]  I am shocked that they didn't bleep that.
[01:13:45]  Yeah.
[01:13:46]  Well, he can't bleep things.
[01:13:47]  I don't know if he has a delay.
[01:13:48]  Oh, that's fair.
[01:13:49]  That's fair.
[01:13:49]  He used to have a delay.
[01:13:51]  I don't know what he's doing.
[01:13:51]  He used to have a delay, but I don't know what's going on.
[01:13:55]  That's incredible.
[01:13:56]  Yeah, I wonder if that could get him in FCC trouble.
[01:14:00]  I mean, if he is still broadcast on the radio, he claims to be.
[01:14:03]  I imagine.
[01:14:04]  And people have sent me messages that they've heard him on a radio.
[01:14:07]  Yeah.
[01:14:07]  Like, I just, I feel like, I don't know.
[01:14:11]  I don't know what the rules are.
[01:14:12]  It seems like that's pretty wild.
[01:14:15]  I don't know.
[01:14:16]  Coming from Norm, the rules are, or in regards to Norm, the rules are never say that.
[01:14:21]  And preferably, stop speaking and practicing law for the rest of your life.
[01:14:25]  It's wild.
[01:14:26]  Jesus.
[01:14:26]  So Alex suggests at this point that the entire incident might be a false flag.
[01:14:32]  This whole thing probably.
[01:14:34]  the fuck out that's that's my response to that shit No.
[01:14:39]  No.
[01:14:39]  You shut the fuck.
[01:14:40]  You're being willfully obtuse, you moron.
[01:14:42]  Well, I mean, it just fits his pattern of anytime there is a white person accused of anything bad, probably.
[01:14:47]  Right.
[01:14:47]  It's probably a false flag.
[01:14:49]  But seriously, Norm just false flagged you then.
[01:14:53]  How do we know these guys didn't just see small at something?
[01:14:56]  We have a lot of folks that do this to create fear on campuses.
[01:14:58]  I'm not saying they did.
[01:14:59]  But the names, Moojuga.
[01:15:02]  What?
[01:15:03]  I mean, these guys have names that don't sound like they don't look or act like white guys either.
[01:15:12]  I mean, my whole point is, is that could these have been false flaggers or people just trying to tease folks?
[01:15:17]  False flaggers.
[01:15:20]  The name he's trying to pronounce is an Albanian name.
[01:15:23]  Oh, okay.
[01:15:23]  It's like Mukaj.
[01:15:25]  Well, Albany.
[01:15:27]  Albania.
[01:15:31]  These people don't look or act white.
[01:15:34]  Yeah.
[01:15:34]  Yeah.
[01:15:35]  See?
[01:15:35]  Holy shit, Alex.
[01:15:37]  Damn, they don't look or act white.
[01:15:39]  That's a totally fine thing to say.
[01:15:41]  That is a totally normal and fine thing to say that has no larger meaning whatsoever.
[01:15:47]  The context of saying that is always great, Dan.
[01:15:51]  That one's a winner.
[01:15:53]  How can you have this?
[01:15:55]  This conversation should go in the fucking Smithsonian and why white people are bad.
[01:16:01]  After Alex has his, like his lawyer says the N-word a couple times, he's like, these people don't act white.
[01:16:06]  That's banana.
[01:16:07]  Which implies that there is a way that white people act that's intrinsic.
[01:16:12]  Yeah.
[01:16:13]  Oh, yeah.
[01:16:14]  Leaving alone the entirety of him just being like, they don't look white enough.
[01:16:17]  No, no, no, no.
[01:16:18]  Holy shit, the layers of that.
[01:16:20]  Even trying to unpack that is angering me to an extent I can't.
[01:16:25]  That whole thing is fucking.
[01:16:28]  You guys are gone.
[01:16:30]  These people are fucking gone.
[01:16:31]  When I was listening to this show, I was kind of bored at the beginning because it's like, okay, the microchipping the homeless thing.
[01:16:38]  That's cruel and stupid, but it's right in line with your normal stuff.
[01:16:42]  And then when I got to this, I was like, holy shit.
[01:16:45]  Wow.
[01:16:46]  This is unbelievably wild.
[01:16:49]  You know, this is such like.
[01:16:53]  This is two white dudes who think we're in safe territory.
[01:16:57]  They're cool.
[01:16:58]  It's this.
[01:17:00]  We said earlier.
[01:17:00]  Speak freely.
[01:17:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:17:02]  No, this isn't matter anymore.
[01:17:03]  This is some dude coming up to me after a show and telling me, like, you want to hear a joke, and then tossing in racial slurs in the joke because he's like, you're white, I'm white.
[01:17:12]  We know how funny this is.
[01:17:13]  And it's like, dude, fuck you.
[01:17:15]  Right the fuck out of my face.
[01:17:16]  When Alex got kicked off social media and YouTube and all that, one of the things that I speculated was a possible outcome of it was he was going to just lean in.
[01:17:25]  Like a lot of the stuff that might have been there subtly and under control a little bit before was just going to come up.
[01:17:32]  And I mean, even just in this episode, we see this whole goddamn thing.
[01:17:36]  Dude.
[01:17:36]  And Alex's ads now having more of a like, this fluoride thing is about attacking Christians.
[01:17:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:42]  Like you see a little bit more of this overtness coming through.
[01:17:45]  And maybe it's a combination of him being allowed to speak freely, just whatever.
[01:17:51]  And then also the desperation that being off social media for this long of a time has created in him.
[01:17:56]  But whatever the case, like this is crazy.
[01:17:59]  Like anybody who is like, hey, Alex is just like a cool, fun truth teller.
[01:18:05]  He's entertaining.
[01:18:06]  It's like, hey, what about this stuff?
[01:18:08]  I didn't know you could spell InfoWars with a KKK.
[01:18:13]  And also remember that Norm is also the guy who posted a video or a picture, a meme of three white beer cans surround the hoods on Klu Kuck's coors.
[01:18:27]  Oh, man.
[01:18:29]  So this guy.
[01:18:31]  These are bad people.
[01:18:33]  Yeah.
[01:18:33]  These are truly, truly.

=== Setting Up DC Bureau (08:12) ===

[01:18:36]  And just messed up, too.
[01:18:38]  Like, this is messed up.
[01:18:39]  Yeah.
[01:18:40]  So Alex has got some.
[01:18:41]  I want to put some computer chips in them so we can always know where they are.
[01:18:44]  Alex has now, at this point, Norm is gone.
[01:18:49]  And Alex wants to talk about why he wants to stick around on air.
[01:18:54]  And I'm so glad.
[01:18:55]  There are moments like that.
[01:18:56]  My lawyer dropping N-words.
[01:18:58]  So glad that we've been around for as long as we have doing this show because, like, this would sound like, oh man, that's too ambitious if we had no idea, if we didn't listen to his show.
[01:19:08]  But because we do, this takes on a layer of hilarity.
[01:19:12]  You know, one reason I want to stay on air is because we put out a lot of critical breaking news that percolates up into the mainstream and goes through the electronic Berlin Wall when the deep state and the big corporations don't want the information out there.
[01:19:25]  So many big stories that are pro-human that really stop a lot of corruption and evil originate here in Infowars.
[01:19:33]  That's why they want this broadcast shut down.
[01:19:35]  But listen, I don't want to just continue on.
[01:19:40]  I want to set up a DC Bureau.
[01:19:41]  Oh, yeah.
[01:19:42]  You already know.
[01:19:43]  Oh, yeah.
[01:19:44]  Oh, yeah.
[01:19:45]  He hit it.
[01:19:46]  He hit it.
[01:19:48]  I want to set up a DC Bureau and nothing will go wrong.
[01:19:51]  We already did this.
[01:19:53]  We're in reruns.
[01:19:55]  Right after the election, he had Jerome Coursey setting up a DC Bureau that was just in his fucking apartment or whatever.
[01:20:01]  Nonsense.
[01:20:02]  Why are we doing this again?
[01:20:03]  This is so.
[01:20:05]  I want to set up a DC Bureau with Jerome Dorsey.
[01:20:08]  It makes total sense.
[01:20:09]  It makes total sense, though.
[01:20:10]  We're coming up on an election season again.
[01:20:12]  And that makes, of course, what would be better for his purposes?
[01:20:17]  I should have someone in D.C. Why don't I?
[01:20:20]  Let's do this again.
[01:20:22]  Alex, let me tell you why you don't.
[01:20:24]  Jerome Coursey.
[01:20:26]  I'll give you one hint.
[01:20:27]  He's suing me now.
[01:20:28]  Exactly.
[01:20:30]  I think, first of all, I would assume that when he did do that, it was when he was at the peak of his powers.
[01:20:37]  Right after the election, he was on top of the world, and I think he probably made a lot of money off.
[01:20:42]  Well, we saw how much he was paying Coursey.
[01:20:44]  Yeah.
[01:20:44]  There's a shit ton of money.
[01:20:46]  But he probably made a lot out of the audience in terms of like, we're expanding.
[01:20:49]  We're going to get a DC Bureau going.
[01:20:51]  It's going to be a legitimate news outlet.
[01:20:53]  We're going to get press credentials at the White House.
[01:20:56]  I think he probably had a great profit drive off of that.
[01:21:01]  I think he probably wants to see if he can do it again.
[01:21:03]  Not going to work.
[01:21:04]  Nope.
[01:21:05]  Second, whatever he would achieve by having a DC Bureau would be very easily achieved by having an enterprising listener in DC.
[01:21:15]  Yeah.
[01:21:15]  That person, if they weren't insane and had a flip phone even that he could record on, you could have a DC Bureau in a second.
[01:21:26]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:21:27]  Or let's say, hey.
[01:21:28]  Well, he's already working with, I don't know, six unpaid interns running his show now, so why not?
[01:21:33]  You got nothing to lose.
[01:21:34]  Right.
[01:21:34]  One of your audience members would do it for exposure.
[01:21:37]  Yeah.
[01:21:38]  100%.
[01:21:39]  100%.
[01:21:40]  And if you want to say, okay, well, you know, maybe an iPhone isn't good enough to record your special reports on.
[01:21:47]  Yeah.
[01:21:47]  Get a fucking camera that costs like $100 or something like that.
[01:21:51]  It would take almost nothing to get a dumb listener in DC to step up to the plate and do whatever you.
[01:21:59]  He had Dan Badanti go and like disrupt press conferences.
[01:22:03]  Yeah.
[01:22:03]  Why can't you just do that again, Alex?
[01:22:05]  You don't need a DC bureau.
[01:22:07]  Because nobody in DC listens to you.
[01:22:09]  I think no one listens.
[01:22:11]  So we could do it.
[01:22:14]  We already had one guest.
[01:22:15]  I'm not going to DC.
[01:22:16]  All right.
[01:22:17]  That's my reason.
[01:22:20]  That's what you got.
[01:22:22]  I do think it would be really fun to work it up at InfoWars just as the contrarian.
[01:22:27]  I think it would be really fun to work at InfoWars in DC, not in Austin.
[01:22:32]  I don't know.
[01:22:32]  My parents live in Austin.
[01:22:34]  There's some good food.
[01:22:34]  Oh, that's fair.
[01:22:36]  I just mean being physically around him.
[01:22:38]  And I still think it would be really fun for it to be like court-mandated that I have to be his co-host.
[01:22:42]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:22:44]  Like the fairness doctrine comes back.
[01:22:47]  Alex, you could do your show, but Dan has to come.
[01:22:49]  Dan has to be wrong next.
[01:22:53]  That's a lie.
[01:22:54]  Next.
[01:22:54]  I'm just sitting there laughing at him.
[01:22:56]  You're so dumb.
[01:22:58]  You're so fucking stupid.
[01:23:00]  Why are you so mean to me?
[01:23:02]  I would take that job.
[01:23:04]  Let it be known.
[01:23:04]  Let it be known.
[01:23:05]  I believe you.
[01:23:05]  I would take that.
[01:23:06]  I really believe you.
[01:23:06]  There are a few jobs in media I would take.
[01:23:08]  That is one of them.
[01:23:09]  I would absolutely do that.
[01:23:12]  At this point, Alex, you know, we've already had one guest, and that is Norm, who just knocked it out of the park.
[01:23:18]  Yep, he's now N-word Norm.
[01:23:22]  N-ward Pattis.
[01:23:23]  And the N-word is Norm.
[01:23:26]  Alex has another guest, and that is the guy who was on, he was the whistleblower for Project Veritas, their CNN video.
[01:23:37]  Okay.
[01:23:38]  Piece of shit.
[01:23:38]  His name is Carrie Porch.
[01:23:40]  And here Alex introduces him.
[01:23:41]  Carrie Porch is in studio with us.
[01:23:44]  Wow.
[01:23:44]  He's the big CNN whistleblower that Project Veritas released information last week with.
[01:23:51]  And now more and more is coming out.
[01:23:54]  But he's just an interesting, smart guy, so I want to cover the waterfront with him here today.
[01:23:58]  Let's see what he thinks about all sorts of news stories.
[01:24:01]  Seems like a good use of time instead of actually really nailing down the situation.
[01:24:06]  He's there for it, the thing that he's doing.
[01:24:08]  Alex doesn't seem to care too much about that.
[01:24:11]  He mostly wants to talk about how much they hate him at CNN.
[01:24:15]  I bet they really don't like you sitting here in the ATX in studio with me because you were saying on air and off air.
[01:24:20]  Like, I was like the devil at CNN.
[01:24:23]  Yeah, you were popular at CNN and other outlets for many different reasons.
[01:24:28]  Some good, some bad.
[01:24:29]  Tell me all about it.
[01:24:31]  I know on air that I'll let me jump.
[01:24:33]  I love me.
[01:24:34]  I love me.
[01:24:35]  I want to talk about me.
[01:24:36]  Want to talk about me?
[01:24:37]  I want to talk about number one.
[01:24:39]  Oh, my, me, my, what I like, what I know, what I do, what I don't know, what I feel.
[01:24:43]  I like talking about you, you, you, you usually.
[01:24:46]  But occasionally, I want to talk about me.
[01:24:49]  Name the song.
[01:24:50]  No.
[01:24:51]  Toby Keith.
[01:24:52]  Of course I don't know that fucking song.
[01:24:55]  What?
[01:24:55]  You don't know Toby Keith?
[01:24:57]  Of course not.
[01:24:57]  What about High Maintenance Girl?
[01:24:59]  Don't Want No Maintenance Man.
[01:25:01]  I really don't like this.
[01:25:03]  This is uncomfortable.
[01:25:04]  What about beer from my horses?
[01:25:05]  You know what?
[01:25:05]  I just heard a dude say the N-word twice, and I'm more uncomfortable now.
[01:25:09]  Whiskey for my man.
[01:25:11]  Beer from my horses.
[01:25:14]  You are singing the N-words of songs.
[01:25:16]  Those are great songs.
[01:25:18]  A lot of my karaoke hits.
[01:25:19]  Should have been a cowboy.
[01:25:20]  Should have been a kid.
[01:25:21]  Should have learned to rope and ride.
[01:25:22]  That's possible.
[01:25:23]  Great song.
[01:25:24]  No, it is not.
[01:25:25]  Anyway, this dude stinks.
[01:25:28]  Alex.
[01:25:29]  Like, that's how the interview starts.
[01:25:31]  And that should tell you, like, Alex is probably not interested in the substance.
[01:25:34]  Right, right, right.
[01:25:35]  Well, that's because it's a Project Veritas video, and everybody knows by now, or at least hopefully that they're full of shit.
[01:25:40]  Right, which is kind of why I started singing Toby Keith.
[01:25:42]  Yeah.
[01:25:43]  Not so interested in.
[01:25:44]  I do like that his name is a sentence, though.
[01:25:46]  That's nice.
[01:25:46]  Sure, Carrie Porch.
[01:25:48]  Really?
[01:25:48]  Carry the Porch?
[01:25:50]  No, Carrie Porch.
[01:25:51]  I'm not sure the sentence is.
[01:25:53]  His name is Carrie.
[01:25:54]  Right.
[01:25:54]  Porch.
[01:25:55]  Right.
[01:25:56]  So like the outside of the house, you carry the porch?
[01:25:59]  No, you carry Porch.
[01:26:00]  His name is Porch.
[01:26:01]  Carrie Porch.
[01:26:02]  Is Carrie the verb?
[01:26:04]  Yeah.
[01:26:05]  It's a command.
[01:26:06]  You're lifting the porch.
[01:26:08]  No, you're lifting Porch.
[01:26:09]  Him.
[01:26:13]  Who's on first, dude?
[01:26:15]  I thought the noun you were talking about is the thing that you sit on.
[01:26:20]  I understand.
[01:26:21]  Like the stoop.
[01:26:22]  Right.
[01:26:24]  We cannot record this early.
[01:26:26]  So Alex talks to this guy, and he's even according to his own telling of the story, he is not an important person.

=== Oliver Darcy's Controversial Past (06:48) ===

[01:26:34]  I'm again, I wasn't a journalist.
[01:26:36]  I was just on the back end of things, very low level.
[01:26:39]  Oh, very low level.
[01:26:40]  Doing what?
[01:26:41]  He was like an uplink satellite guy, from what I understand.
[01:26:44]  Well, he's a perfect guy for whistleblowing then.
[01:26:46]  Yeah.
[01:26:46]  So the two of them start talking around, and Alex starts telling tales out of school about some people who work at CNN.
[01:26:54]  By the way, Oliver Darcy, I heard this years ago.
[01:26:57]  We went and looked it up.
[01:26:58]  He tried to get a job here like six, seven years ago.
[01:27:00]  Oh, wow.
[01:27:00]  He tried to work at Breitbart too.
[01:27:02]  He was out in California.
[01:27:03]  I know people that know him.
[01:27:04]  And Chuck Johnson was telling me that.
[01:27:06]  I thought Chuck was joking.
[01:27:07]  We went and looked it up.
[01:27:08]  So here's a guy tried to work here, and now he goes to CNN and joins the dark side, and then literally goes around policing everyone on the internet like he's God.
[01:27:18]  You know what's fucked up about this?
[01:27:20]  It might be true.
[01:27:21]  I don't know if it's true.
[01:27:23]  It seems like I would still need some sort of proof that he tried to work at InfoWars.
[01:27:27]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:27:27]  But Oliver Darcy was definitely more of a conservative-leaning dude years ago.
[01:27:32]  Right, right.
[01:27:33]  He was on, I can't remember the name of the website, but I found some like 30 under 30 in conservative media that he was on years ago.
[01:27:40]  Oh, okay.
[01:27:40]  Like way back.
[01:27:41]  Oh, so he's a complete and total shithead.
[01:27:44]  I don't know if that's necessarily true.
[01:27:45]  A lot of people have changes of heart, changes of mind.
[01:27:50]  Sure.
[01:27:50]  Based on their job.
[01:27:52]  I don't know if that's the truth.
[01:27:54]  I don't know.
[01:27:55]  No, I know.
[01:27:55]  I don't know any of the actual path that he's had.
[01:27:59]  But I think that just automatically assuming that someone's positions can't change or that there's some sort of artificial reason for them to change.
[01:28:08]  I think that that's.
[01:28:08]  I'm not saying that you're totally doing that, but I think it's an unhealthy impulse.
[01:28:12]  Right, of course.
[01:28:13]  Just saying that someone used to be more conservative and they now work for CNN, and that's somehow invalidating.
[01:28:18]  I find that to be a little bit lie.
[01:28:21]  I agree.
[01:28:22]  However, if it's true that he used to be conservative, that he tried to work at InfoWars, that's a little bit of a different story.
[01:28:31]  Yeah, possibly.
[01:28:32]  But you have to know what InfoWars is.
[01:28:34]  But I also think that if it's like 2012 InfoWars, you might not have as much awareness of it other than it being a conservative-leaning Ron Paul type of a libertarian organization.
[01:28:47]  I can see that.
[01:28:48]  I can see that.
[01:28:49]  It's tough because we know so much about it to view it through how someone else might see it.
[01:28:55]  Right.
[01:28:56]  And like nowadays, yes, if you apply to InfoWars, you know what you're doing.
[01:28:59]  You are fucked.
[01:29:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:29:00]  But I think maybe in 2011, 2012, you could make a better argument for it not being damning.
[01:29:07]  I agree you could make a better argument for it.
[01:29:09]  Right.
[01:29:10]  Unfortunately, if Oliver Darcy did apply, he didn't realize that the only way to get hired there is to win a contest.
[01:29:18]  He kind of screwed that one up.
[01:29:20]  It's funny that, of course, they had to go back and look it up.
[01:29:23]  They don't look at any of the fucking resumes that people send.
[01:29:26]  No.
[01:29:27]  You got to say Bill Clinton's a rapist on TV.
[01:29:30]  Then you get a fucking two-year contract.
[01:29:32]  If you put a CV, if you attach a cover letter or a resume, it goes straight to spam.
[01:29:36]  You can't read.
[01:29:38]  Please.
[01:29:40]  So Alex complains more about Darcy here.
[01:29:44]  There it is.
[01:29:44]  Old Twiggerville CNN reporter used to mock network.
[01:29:47]  CNN is, but now he's there.
[01:29:50]  Now he's a big boy.
[01:29:52]  And with a.
[01:29:53]  Look at that face.
[01:29:54]  Just scroll down.
[01:29:55]  Would you buy a used car from that gentleman, ladies and gentlemen?
[01:29:58]  I'm sorry.
[01:29:58]  I don't mean to be mean, but I mean, give me a break.
[01:30:01]  More instances of Alex taking people's physical appearance and applying virtue to whatever they look like.
[01:30:08]  It's a good thing he's not a used car salesman then.
[01:30:10]  Yeah, I guess so.
[01:30:11]  What he's talking about here is that Fox News dug up some old tweets of Oliver Darcy before he worked at CNN critiquing CNN's coverage.
[01:30:19]  Like, I can't remember the last time it wasn't breaking news on CNN.
[01:30:22]  That's right.
[01:30:24]  And that's cool, man.
[01:30:24]  You can clown on him for critiquing CNN and then working there.
[01:30:28]  But it's also important to point out that his job at CNN is media criticism.
[01:30:33]  Oh, really?
[01:30:33]  So it almost feels like what he was doing before working there was a lot of money.
[01:30:38]  Was auditioning.
[01:30:41]  Now, I don't know if nowadays he doesn't critique CNN.
[01:30:48]  I don't know if that's a good idea.
[01:30:49]  Well, as we all know, there's nothing to critique CNN for these days.
[01:30:52]  Yeah, fine.
[01:30:53]  They're right on.
[01:30:54]  Yeah.
[01:30:55]  If that is a thing where it's like, well, now he doesn't speak ill of the company at all, it's a little bit basically him doing a job.
[01:31:04]  He's a company man.
[01:31:05]  Sure.
[01:31:06]  Yeah.
[01:31:06]  But the old tweets don't mean anything.
[01:31:09]  No.
[01:31:09]  It is just sort of like, well, that is what he was doing, and now he's doing it for them.
[01:31:13]  Yeah.
[01:31:16]  We got to have some kind of like moratorium on the looking up old tweets.
[01:31:21]  We just got to look.
[01:31:22]  I get it.
[01:31:24]  Let's start from here.
[01:31:25]  We start now.
[01:31:26]  Everybody gets a clean slate.
[01:31:28]  We start now.
[01:31:29]  Any bullshit from then, now we're going to do that.
[01:31:32]  I think it's the same thing with doing undercover journalism, like lying about your identity or whatever.
[01:31:39]  I think that there needs to be an actual reason for it.
[01:31:44]  You can't ethically use deception in order to get a news story.
[01:31:51]  Yeah.
[01:31:51]  Unless that news story is such importance to the public.
[01:31:54]  It's worth it.
[01:31:55]  And the only way you can get it is basically.
[01:31:58]  Exactly.
[01:31:59]  And with old tweets, let's say, I think that there is a public interest when it's like someone who's trying to rebrand who used to be like a fascist or something.
[01:32:12]  Then fuck you.
[01:32:13]  Yeah.
[01:32:13]  No, and I get that.
[01:32:14]  Then I think that there is a public need or there's a justification for those old tweets.
[01:32:20]  But when it's just like, ha ha, you used to make fun of CNN, now you work there, it's petty and stupid.
[01:32:25]  Or the people who take out of context joke tweets, like what happened with Mike Cernovich trying to get Sam Cedar fired from MSNBC.
[01:32:35]  Those sorts of things are all just like, yeah, those they need to put a moratorium on.
[01:32:41]  But, you know.
[01:32:42]  I don't know.
[01:32:42]  I just suggest we have.
[01:32:44]  I think everybody on the planet should delete all of their old tweets right now.
[01:32:49]  Just right now.
[01:32:51]  Everybody, do it.
[01:32:53]  Sure.
[01:32:54]  Why not?
[01:32:54]  Done.
[01:32:55]  There should be a self-destruct button just built into Twitter where your tweets go away after a week.
[01:33:03]  You can.
[01:33:03]  There is that.

=== Drunk Van Incident (10:03) ===

[01:33:04]  Yeah.
[01:33:04]  Yeah.
[01:33:04]  You can get one of those.
[01:33:05]  You should.
[01:33:06]  Yeah.
[01:33:06]  So anyway, Alex does not have sponsors, but that doesn't mean he's not going to give some companies a free ride.
[01:33:14]  Okay.
[01:33:14]  Hey, is this your first time in Texas?
[01:33:16]  No, I've been through Texas many times over my life.
[01:33:18]  Have you ever had a Topochico?
[01:33:20]  I can't say I have.
[01:33:21]  They are not a sponsor, but let me tell you, this is some super good mineral water.
[01:33:24]  Okay.
[01:33:25]  Super good.
[01:33:26]  Okay.
[01:33:27]  Unpaid plug for Topochico.
[01:33:29]  Okay.
[01:33:30]  Probably don't want that plug.
[01:33:31]  No, no.
[01:33:32]  Topo Chico, the official mineral water of Infowars.
[01:33:36]  No, So then Alex gets into like, hey, man, you know, I've got to say what this is because if I don't, everyone's going to think it's booze.
[01:33:44]  And I ran into some folks.
[01:33:45]  They said, you know, Alex, I think you're better when you're drunk on here.
[01:33:48]  And I'm like, you know, when was that?
[01:33:50]  So, no, sir.
[01:33:51]  Maybe on election night, we had a little bit of champagne, but back with Roger Stone.
[01:33:56]  Smash cut to every time he's fucked up as well.
[01:34:00]  When was that?
[01:34:01]  Yeah.
[01:34:02]  Come on, Alex.
[01:34:03]  I imagine that you thought about putting together a super cut, and then you were like, there are just too many.
[01:34:09]  I got too busy watching Bone Thugs and Phil Collins videos.
[01:34:12]  But yeah, I mean, there's so many.
[01:34:14]  It's ridiculous.
[01:34:15]  Or that night at the Deplorable Ball when he was like, I'm going to go pee on that tree.
[01:34:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:34:19]  Or when he was out and he was yelling at that lady, calling her cupcake.
[01:34:23]  And she's like, I can smell booze on your breath.
[01:34:25]  Oh, yeah.
[01:34:26]  You're drunk.
[01:34:26]  Oh, man.
[01:34:27]  Cupcake.
[01:34:28]  Like, come on, man.
[01:34:29]  Don't fucking pretend.
[01:34:30]  Like, I don't think it's wrong to drink.
[01:34:34]  I don't think even if you're drinking while, I mean, I think it's super irresponsible to do what Alex does drunk.
[01:34:39]  Right, right.
[01:34:40]  I think it's irresponsible to do it sober.
[01:34:42]  But if he's out at the Deplorable Ball and he's doing a live remote shoot or something like that, who gives a shit?
[01:34:47]  No, kid.
[01:34:48]  But don't pretend that you don't.
[01:34:50]  As if somehow.
[01:34:51]  And sure, maybe he's not drinking now.
[01:34:54]  Great.
[01:34:54]  Yeah.
[01:34:55]  I bet you will soon.
[01:34:56]  I don't see it.
[01:34:58]  If Trump gets impeached, he's going to get so drunk and have another breakdown screaming on air.
[01:35:03]  That's just abusive dad bullshit.
[01:35:05]  That, like, tell me when I get drunk.
[01:35:09]  And it's like, fuck you.
[01:35:10]  Don't make me hassle Hoff here.
[01:35:11]  Get the fuck out of here.
[01:35:13]  Jesus Christ.
[01:35:15]  Yeah.
[01:35:15]  So they discuss this video that Carrie helped Project Veritas make.
[01:35:23]  And his experience of it was he was still working at CNN when the first video was going to be released.
[01:35:31]  Like it was going to be, they put a teaser out that they were going to release it.
[01:35:35]  Right, right, right.
[01:35:35]  And so he had to escape the building.
[01:35:37]  He was there at work, and he had to leave.
[01:35:40]  And he went out into a van, and then Project Veritas helped him move out of his house and flee the city.
[01:35:45]  It's like really overly dramatic stuff.
[01:35:47]  You got fleeced by Project Veritas.
[01:35:49]  It's really overly dramatic stuff.
[01:35:51]  They stole your life.
[01:35:53]  You idiot.
[01:35:54]  So Carrie talks about that here a little bit.
[01:35:56]  And he says that the experience of watching the Project Veritas video in the van leaving CNN was cool.
[01:36:03]  Okay.
[01:36:04]  But I don't think he articulates the word very well.
[01:36:07]  Especially guys at CNN.
[01:36:08]  They know what he's dumb.
[01:36:09]  They know that now they know that I wasn't the only one there.
[01:36:12]  So there were other people there and our crew.
[01:36:16]  Yeah, we just sat in the back of an old-ass U-Haul van and just watched it on an iPad, and it was kind of cruel.
[01:36:22]  Kind of cruel.
[01:36:24]  Cool.
[01:36:25]  Cruel.
[01:36:25]  Cool, cruel.
[01:36:26]  I mean, it is kind of cruel to be stuck in a U-Haul van watching a fucking live video made by Project Veritas on an iPad after they stole your goddamn life.
[01:36:37]  He was willing.
[01:36:38]  Yeah.
[01:36:39]  So Alex has this guy, Carrie Porch, on the show to talk about his big CNN whistleblowing that he did with James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, and it's not a good interview.
[01:36:48]  Carrie is not the chatty sort, and it doesn't seem like he's too into Alex's sense of humor.
[01:36:52]  So the interview is kind of like walking through calf-deep mud.
[01:36:56]  Carrie is trying to be humble and accurate and constantly refers to himself as a low-level employee, but Alex needs that not to be true, or at least the perception of that not to be true.
[01:37:05]  So he has to keep correcting him and saying shit like, sometimes the lowest level gives the best view.
[01:37:09]  Sure, sure.
[01:37:10]  You can get a bird's eye view from the ground.
[01:37:11]  It's the opposite of the bird's eye view, Alex.
[01:37:13]  Oh, boy.
[01:37:14]  It's a mess.
[01:37:15]  Carrie seems very dumb and to be on board with Alex's worldview entirely.
[01:37:20]  But the two of them have zero chemistry.
[01:37:22]  So in the middle of the interview, Alex becomes preoccupied with proving to Carrie that your light bulbs are spying on you and that Trump was probably being spied on by light bulbs.
[01:37:31]  Carrie seems politely interested in looking into it and like, yeah, I'll look, you know, I'll look into that.
[01:37:35]  But Alex, because the interview is such a dud, becomes hyper-focused on proving it to him.
[01:37:39]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:37:40]  And it just goes off the rails.
[01:37:42]  Yeah, that sounds good.
[01:37:42]  He starts yelling about light bulbs and like, I'll ball up the news stories.
[01:37:45]  I'll totally do it.
[01:37:46]  Oh, man.
[01:37:46]  I did a special report on this.
[01:37:47]  We'll just play it.
[01:37:48]  Dude, your light bulb is not covered right now.
[01:37:52]  So.
[01:37:52]  Yeah.
[01:37:53]  And what if he's right?
[01:37:54]  Yeah, it's a mess of an interview.
[01:37:56]  I went and watched the Project Veritas video about this because I guess I like pain.
[01:38:01]  Yeah, why don't you do that?
[01:38:02]  I'm here to report it's a real swing and a miss.
[01:38:04]  Oh, what?
[01:38:05]  Yeah, what do you know?
[01:38:06]  They're O for all of their videos?
[01:38:08]  That's a surprise.
[01:38:09]  It's really crazy to me, too.
[01:38:10]  Like, part of this interview that they're doing is like, I just don't understand why the mainstream media is covering up this Project Veritas interview.
[01:38:17]  Maybe history?
[01:38:18]  Yeah.
[01:38:19]  Don't care.
[01:38:19]  Yeah.
[01:38:20]  Oh, did Project Veritas put out a video?
[01:38:22]  Sure.
[01:38:24]  It's a four-part series, but I only watched the first one because that seemed to be the one that was focused on Carrie and because it was boring as shit.
[01:38:31]  So there's no way I was going to keep going after the first one.
[01:38:33]  That is enough.
[01:38:35]  This boils down to more or less some employees saying that CNN CEO Jeff Zucker doesn't like Trump personally and that the editorial decisions are to cover negative stories about Trump, like how people are talking about impeaching him.
[01:38:48]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[01:38:49]  I don't like Jeff Zucker, and I think CNN's a mess.
[01:38:52]  The entire institution of profit-driven news or political commentary is completely fucked and probably needs to be fixed.
[01:38:58]  So I don't I don't don't please, please don't think that I'm here to go to bet for the people who are being targeted by Project Veritas.
[01:39:05]  These folks deserve plenty of criticism.
[01:39:07]  It's just that the valid kind is never going to come from James O'Keefe.
[01:39:11]  What?
[01:39:12]  If the main criticism you're primarily lodging at the head of a uh is that the head of a company doesn't like the president enough, it seems like the situation you'd prefer is if everyone liked the president enough, which sounds pretty authoritarian to me.
[01:39:25]  If your criticism is that the network is chasing ratings, then fine.
[01:39:29]  But then why is your whistleblower going on info wars?
[01:39:32]  Alex tried to cause a panic last week that Trump was going to get assassinated at his rally in Dallas just to drive traffic to his website.
[01:39:39]  Like he's so much more guilty of this.
[01:39:41]  Yeah.
[01:39:42]  I hate it when people chase ratings like CNN and no one else.
[01:39:46]  Yeah.
[01:39:46]  Honestly, all of James O'Keefe's exposés are complete trash and embarrassing, but this one's particularly weird to watch.
[01:39:53]  Here you have a guy who works at CNN talking to his co-workers about stuff like what the newsroom was like on the day after the election.
[01:40:00]  They think they're just having a conversation with a friend or an acquaintance.
[01:40:03]  They have no idea he's secretly recording them so he can give the tape to a shithead propagandist.
[01:40:09]  It's a pretty messed up violation of their trust, and it really doesn't reflect well on the character of this Kerry guy.
[01:40:15]  It's just kind of, it bums me out.
[01:40:17]  Like, I can't even begin to quantify the number of times I've talked insane shit at work.
[01:40:22]  The workplace is an environment where nearly everyone has something to complain about, and everyone's got something to say about what's wrong with the bosses.
[01:40:29]  Co-workers often build rapport with each other by venting.
[01:40:34]  And that's kind of what's being hijacked and abused here in order to make this video.
[01:40:38]  It feels dirty and invasive, but I guess it bought Carrie Porch 15 minutes of fame in the right-wing media, and it kept O'Keefe useful to his dark money patrons.
[01:40:48]  So I hope it's worth it.
[01:40:50]  God, that sucks so hard.
[01:40:51]  It's a real bummer.
[01:40:52]  In the workplace, that is dropping a bomb.
[01:40:55]  That's now every time I have an interaction, is somebody videotaping this for fucking James O'Keefe?
[01:41:03]  Yeah.
[01:41:03]  God, that sucks.
[01:41:04]  Yeah, and you got a question like now, every single time that you'd talk to this guy before then, was he just buttering you up in order to do this?
[01:41:13]  Like, it's so.
[01:41:15]  And it's a state where you can record without the other people.
[01:41:19]  Yeah, New York is a one-party consent state.
[01:41:21]  But Kerry had to actually be having those conversations.
[01:41:24]  He couldn't just record other people talking.
[01:41:27]  So he actually had to engage with these people in order for it to be legal, which is another layer of this.
[01:41:34]  I understand that you think that you're doing something big here and showing CNN is evil and all this, but you're not.
[01:41:40]  It doesn't demonstrate what you think it does.
[01:41:43]  And in order to do this, you have to really violate people's.
[01:41:48]  I mean, just the sort of thing that, like, if you sit back for a second and think about it, like, you should be so ashamed to act like this.
[01:42:00]  And these people never will.
[01:42:01]  No, this is something that can only be done by a shitty person who believes lies.
[01:42:09]  Yeah.
[01:42:09]  Or an amazing person who is actually doing good.
[01:42:14]  Yeah.
[01:42:14]  And James O'Keefe is using this dude.
[01:42:16]  Yep.
[01:42:17]  I mean, it's pure and simple.
[01:42:19]  He's using him, and he's willingly being used.
[01:42:23]  Absolutely.
[01:42:24]  From everything I can tell and listening to this interview and watching the video, he's not like some guy who got roped into this.
[01:42:32]  He's on board.
[01:42:33]  But at the same time, James O'Keefe couldn't get these people to say what they say in the video.
[01:42:42]  But someone who you think is your friend at work, you might talk this kind of shit around them and think everything is totally fine.
[01:42:50]  It's such an invasion of privacy and gross, like for people who care, like, you know, they talk about how big tech is like all invading our privacy, and then to turn around and act like this to other people in real life is just monstrous.

=== Alex's Inevitable Fall (02:58) ===

[01:43:08]  And it's just so stupid.
[01:43:09]  Like, these guys just don't get that the grift is more important than you, and you will be tossed aside when you're not useful for the grift.
[01:43:17]  Yep.
[01:43:18]  Alex is going to Alex was tossed aside by Trump once he stopped being useful.
[01:43:22]  He doesn't care.
[01:43:23]  And he will be tossed aside in a much larger way.
[01:43:26]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:27]  Like, even if Trump's, like, even if Trump solidifies his power and becomes like a dictator, Alex isn't useful.
[01:43:33]  No.
[01:43:33]  Like, he, like, no matter what circumstance, you will be chewed up and spit out.
[01:43:38]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:38]  Trump as a dictator is the, you don't want Alex anywhere near Trump as a dictator.
[01:43:42]  You want somebody who gives the veneer of reality.
[01:43:46]  Yeah.
[01:43:46]  You know?
[01:43:47]  The only way that Alex could make his brand continually worthwhile would be to constantly be in opposition to whatever.
[01:43:55]  Yeah.
[01:43:55]  Like him choosing to go along with Trump is the like the second he decided that it's all these consequences that have come from it were inevitable.
[01:44:05]  Yeah, no, we said it on like what the second episode of the podcast.
[01:44:09]  The worst thing that has ever happened to Alex is Trump actually went.
[01:44:12]  And not happened to him.
[01:44:14]  No, no, no.
[01:44:14]  The decision he made.
[01:44:15]  Exactly.
[01:44:16]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:44:17]  I guess you could make the argument that him supporting him, if Trump had lost, would have worked out fine.
[01:44:22]  I think everybody.
[01:44:23]  I think, yeah, you're probably right.
[01:44:24]  I really do think everybody wanted Trump to lose.
[01:44:28]  The whole game was supposed to be Trump losing.
[01:44:30]  The decision to support Trump was a bad one, but it could have gone okay if Trump lost.
[01:44:34]  Yeah.
[01:44:35]  That is because he did, you know, he supported Ron Paul all those times and he lost.
[01:44:40]  That's fine.
[01:44:40]  You've got all the people who are.
[01:44:42]  You can't support someone who wins.
[01:44:43]  There's a deep state who cheated.
[01:44:45]  Yeah, you've got years of material out of that.
[01:44:48]  Right.
[01:44:49]  Alex could be using all the same narratives that he uses now without Trump being president in a much more effective way.
[01:44:55]  Oh, yeah.
[01:44:56]  You can make excuses for why you're not getting the changes you want to see in the world.
[01:45:01]  Yeah.
[01:45:01]  Everything works better.
[01:45:02]  Or even the best move probably would have been to be on Trump's side for like the first 50 or 60 days and then go hard against him and do that whole thing.
[01:45:10]  Yeah, the world is your oyster, really, if Trump loses.
[01:45:13]  But since he won, Alex is kind of backed into a corner and he feels like he has ownership over the election and he made it happen.
[01:45:20]  And that's a real fucked up box for you to be in if you're Alex Jones.
[01:45:24]  You just can't do it.
[01:45:25]  Because you think you did a great thing.
[01:45:26]  And if you change it, you think you did it.
[01:45:29]  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[01:45:30]  Yeah.
[01:45:31]  And if you change, that means you have to admit that you were wrong, which he is great at doing.
[01:45:35]  Right?
[01:45:36]  I guess.
[01:45:37]  So this next clip is pretty interesting because Kerry claims that he used to be a leftist.
[01:45:44]  Sure.
[01:45:45]  All right, buddy.
[01:45:46]  You have a good time.
[01:45:47]  Yeah.
[01:45:48]  So he discusses his fucked up political alignment in this next clip.

=== Scott's Principled Stance (11:43) ===

[01:45:53]  This doesn't make sense to me.
[01:45:55]  Because you called yourself a liberal, and I don't call that a leftist.
[01:45:57]  I mean, liberals are classical Americans in my view.
[01:46:00]  What was your view before you were on the inside of the beast at CNN?
[01:46:04]  And then what would you call yourself now?
[01:46:06]  So, yes.
[01:46:06]  And, you know, I use the term loosely with liberal and everything, but, you know, I supported Bernie in the 2016 election, voted for him, caucused for him in the primaries, and then voted for Gary Johnson in the general just because I didn't like Hillary and I didn't like Trump.
[01:46:20]  So I just went third party, and nobody said my vote mattered until obviously the next day.
[01:46:27]  But I would actually say I was more on the term of leftist or far left when I got to CNN.
[01:46:33]  And then from what I saw, the two and a half year journey, I basically got to red pill myself on YouTube while I was in the bureau.
[01:46:42]  And I would say I'm mostly center-right libertarian kind of right now, but definitely leaning more and more conservative with each passing day.
[01:46:50]  You know, I spoke at a turning point event in College Station last night.
[01:46:55]  A bunch of great kids there, great people.
[01:46:57]  And it was a lot of fun to meet a lot of people that just wanted to know what happened.
[01:47:02]  Well, you'll get a big scarlet letter put on you if you do this, but that's really a badge of honor.
[01:47:07]  But I'd like to talk about doing some projects with you or offering you a job here.
[01:47:11]  Of course.
[01:47:11]  Because we need new reporters.
[01:47:12]  We need folks that could run a couple reporters.
[01:47:15]  You seem like a smart, competent guy.
[01:47:16]  You're a likable guy in person.
[01:47:18]  And we don't have a big budget around here, but I'd really like to try to get you to do some work with us.
[01:47:22]  I can't pay you, but you want to work here?
[01:47:25]  Hey, guy, you got 15 minutes of fame on you.
[01:47:27]  I'd like to vampirically feast off that.
[01:47:29]  Yep.
[01:47:30]  Hey, guy who's suing his parents because they kicked him out of their home.
[01:47:33]  You want to work here?
[01:47:34]  Yep.
[01:47:34]  Hey, Obama phone lady, you want a job?
[01:47:36]  Yep.
[01:47:37]  Caller, you want a job?
[01:47:39]  Hey, house phone.
[01:47:40]  This makes me think that maybe I could get that job at InfoWars co-hosting.
[01:47:45]  Nah, you'd have to butter them up first.
[01:47:47]  Alex, I think you're great.
[01:47:48]  You'd have to scrub all your old tweets.
[01:47:52]  That wouldn't be hard.
[01:47:54]  Barely tweet.
[01:47:56]  Yeah, this is sad.
[01:47:58]  I think that what you see here is him expressing a path that probably a lot of people who didn't have principled stance take.
[01:48:06]  You know, like you just watch a bunch of dumb propaganda right-wing videos on YouTube and you're like, oh my God.
[01:48:13]  And then you probably overestimate how left you were to begin with.
[01:48:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:48:17]  Just so you can make it seem like I am one of the ones who came out of the cold.
[01:48:21]  Right, right.
[01:48:22]  It's a much more compelling story for the right-wing folks like Alex.
[01:48:27]  But, I mean, really, the bottom line of it is I watched a bunch of shit on YouTube and it warped my perceptions.
[01:48:34]  I just cannot understand people who watch a bunch of videos on YouTube and form a political opinion about it.
[01:48:42]  I just don't get it.
[01:48:43]  It's strange.
[01:48:43]  It's just crazy.
[01:48:45]  Yeah, but it is the ultimate goal of those who are making those YouTube videos.
[01:48:49]  And the algorithm will do that to you.
[01:48:52]  Yeah.
[01:48:52]  Yeah, it's kind of sad.
[01:48:54]  Read.
[01:48:55]  Yeah.
[01:48:55]  Just read.
[01:48:56]  Well, no, It takes too much effort.
[01:48:58]  There's no, there's words on paper.
[01:49:01]  They're comprehensive.
[01:49:02]  The books are big.
[01:49:03]  The YouTube videos are dumb.
[01:49:05]  One of the good things about the possibility of working at InfoWars is you wouldn't have to read it.
[01:49:09]  You wouldn't have to read.
[01:49:09]  That's true.
[01:49:10]  You would never have to read.
[01:49:11]  That's true.
[01:49:11]  And it does seem serious that Alex is offering him a job.
[01:49:15]  Again, my lady and I, we're entertaining everything that's coming our way.
[01:49:19]  We're not ruling out anything.
[01:49:20]  I'm sure you can appreciate it.
[01:49:22]  Oh, I love it.
[01:49:22]  Well, before you go today, I'm going to do a shoot right after the show, but we should talk on the phone about ideas you've got because I'm trying to hire a few more reporters, a few more people, especially for 2020, to really go out there and fight.
[01:49:33]  And you can see here, this is totally transparent.
[01:49:35]  How are you going to hire people?
[01:49:36]  You're having an everything-must-go sale.
[01:49:40]  Your show's falling apart at the seams.
[01:49:42]  Your producers can't handle doing live radio.
[01:49:45]  No.
[01:49:46]  This is a mess.
[01:49:47]  This is a disaster.
[01:49:48]  Yeah.
[01:49:49]  What kind of ideas do you have?
[01:49:50]  Tell me what kind of ideas you have.
[01:49:52]  I'm looking to hire somebody.
[01:49:53]  Oh, here.
[01:49:54]  Give me your ideas.
[01:49:55]  Here's me all of your ideas.
[01:49:57]  Here's an idea.
[01:49:58]  Get used by James O'Keeffe.
[01:50:00]  Yeah, there we go.
[01:50:01]  That seems to be what this guy brought to the table.
[01:50:03]  I would love to steal whatever you got.
[01:50:06]  So this dude was a leftist.
[01:50:08]  Cool.
[01:50:09]  But here is a clip that I believe invalidates his leftist credentials.
[01:50:16]  What we need to do more of is Project Veritas stuff in the field as well.
[01:50:19]  And I wish there were more groups like Veritas.
[01:50:22]  And I know that James O'Keefe does as well.
[01:50:24]  It's kind of scary that that's the only group that is as successful as he is.
[01:50:28]  Well, that's just a testament to James and his team.
[01:50:30]  Like, he is very particular with who he hires and vets and everything.
[01:50:35]  Like he and I talked for almost two months, you know, while he and his team were vetting me quietly, making sure that I wasn't a CNN plant trying to inside.
[01:50:43]  And boy, have they not tried to destroy him and put him in prison?
[01:50:46]  I mean, they've sued him.
[01:50:47]  They fake James fake video.
[01:50:48]  No, right?
[01:50:49]  Tape.
[01:50:50]  It's, I mean, even when I was a leftist, I didn't like James, but I respected him because you had the tape.
[01:50:58]  I was like, oh, okay, it's, you know, Acorn and this and that.
[01:51:00]  I'm like, well, it's, you know, my people at the time, but I'm like, you can't argue with tape.
[01:51:04]  You can't argue with tape.
[01:51:05]  Man, invalidating.
[01:51:07]  Either you were a leftist and you're the dumbest human being there's ever been, or you weren't a leftist and you're still the dumbest human being.
[01:51:15]  Yeah, I mean, it is a possibility that he was, you know, inclined towards the left and he was just profoundly stupid and thought James O'Keefe was actually like there are people on the left who don't read also.
[01:51:27]  It's not like that's unique to Alex's.
[01:51:30]  No, no, no, absolutely.
[01:51:32]  Absolutely.
[01:51:33]  But yeah, if you're somebody who is inclined towards left positions and you think that James O'Keefe is accurately portraying things in the videos that he's putting out, that means you're inclined towards the right, quite frankly.
[01:51:48]  Because otherwise, you would look into it and you'd be like, oh, this is all complete bullshit.
[01:51:54]  The video brings up Acorn and like that video, Alex still pretends that James O'Keefe was wearing the pimp outfit when he went in to talk to the people at Acorn.
[01:52:04]  Of course he does.
[01:52:05]  Alex even doesn't realize the manipulation that he's been subjected to.
[01:52:10]  So fuck all this shit.
[01:52:11]  Yeah, I mean, I can see.
[01:52:14]  Actually, I will give him this.
[01:52:16]  I imagine that he considers himself a leftist, or he considered himself a leftist because he had basic human empathy.
[01:52:24]  And if you do have that, then chances are you're going to say you're on the left.
[01:52:29]  It's possible that in hindsight, he's.
[01:52:31]  But he was also stupid.
[01:52:32]  So he watches those videos and he's like, well, this overrides my basic human empathy because these are facts.
[01:52:38]  These are giving me a reason to ignore my empathy.
[01:52:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:52:41]  And then, yeah, who cares?
[01:52:43]  What an ass.
[01:52:44]  Whatever his self-described journey is, maybe there's some perception that he has that feels accurate, but I don't give it any credence.
[01:52:53]  So he's already said that YouTube videos got him on the path that he's going on.
[01:52:57]  Even if that were true, I just wouldn't admit that.
[01:53:00]  Yeah, it seems lame.
[01:53:02]  I would say I read a book.
[01:53:03]  Even say Ayn Rand.
[01:53:05]  That's lame.
[01:53:05]  Yeah, it's awful, but at least it's a, yeah.
[01:53:07]  So he's in this next clip going to complain about people who think that YouTube radicalizes people.
[01:53:13]  But he's already said that he was radical.
[01:53:15]  And he does sort of reiterate that YouTube was a big part of this.
[01:53:19]  What an idiot.
[01:53:20]  I mean, before I torched my Facebook the morning of, obviously, but you know how they do the memories thing?
[01:53:24]  Like, hey, do you remember this five years ago?
[01:53:26]  And it was me doing like some, you know, a crazy far-left ideology post and whatnot like that.
[01:53:32]  I'm like, oh, total cringe fest.
[01:53:34]  I'm like, was it a process or a moment when you got out of the cult?
[01:53:38]  Process.
[01:53:39]  It was this process of coming to work in DC and kind of seeing how the sausage is made, slowly but surely, you know, watching an ecosystem of videos here and there and just being open enough to start to actually entertain other ideas, you know, without accepting them at that time, but just being open enough to, okay, let's see what the other side has to say.
[01:53:58]  And there was a whole ecosystem on YouTube where I could go from one video to the next.
[01:54:02]  I know they're going to take this out of context.
[01:54:03]  I see the YouTube radicalizes people.
[01:54:05]  You remember that New York Times article?
[01:54:07]  But it just got me a point where I could start watching pieces of several different people's videos and was slowly but surely kind of redpilling me in the process.
[01:54:16]  Just because you saw the manipulation.
[01:54:17]  I did.
[01:54:18]  And that's what opened me.
[01:54:19]  You see the manipulation of the that's itself manipula.
[01:54:23]  Yeah.
[01:54:23]  I mean, this is so woefully transparent.
[01:54:27]  Like, this is just somebody who fell victim to the algorithm.
[01:54:30]  Yep.
[01:54:30]  Probably started watching a ton of these like Stefan Molyneux videos.
[01:54:34]  Dave Rubin and shit.
[01:54:36]  We're just having ideas.
[01:54:36]  We're just having a free exchange, open exchange of ideas.
[01:54:40]  Debate me.
[01:54:40]  Fuck off.
[01:54:41]  Sure.
[01:54:42]  I mean, this is a story that you hear over and over and over again.
[01:54:46]  And good luck.
[01:54:51]  Not to you listening, but to this guy.
[01:54:53]  Good luck.
[01:54:55]  This is the good path.
[01:54:56]  Yeah, the problem is it's just so like they do it so gradually.
[01:54:59]  Because, you know, if you were talking to somebody and you hadn't been radicalized by the YouTube videos and they took a big swing, you know, say you are somebody who voted for Bernie and like you're like, I consider myself on the left.
[01:55:12]  And then you watch a YouTube video where it's like, white people are under attack.
[01:55:16]  You're going to be like, nah, okay, fine, whatever.
[01:55:18]  But if it's just like, hey, you know, this guy can't say this anymore.
[01:55:22]  And you're like, yeah, I noticed that I can't say that's the function of people like Dave Rubin.
[01:55:27]  Then the algorithm goes and takes you down there.
[01:55:29]  But it's just like, man, it's too easy.
[01:55:32]  Yeah, totally.
[01:55:32]  It's just too easy.
[01:55:33]  Yeah, but you need to rise the temperature gradually.
[01:55:36]  And that's why people like Steven Crowder or Dave Rubin are so essential to this pipeline that gets people down towards more radical ideas.
[01:55:46]  That's a YouTube to terrorism pipeline.
[01:55:48]  That's why you have people like Dave Rubin has these guests on, like Katie Hopkins or these sorts of people who are fucked up.
[01:55:56]  And he presents them as normal.
[01:55:59]  And that leads to a greater ability for people to end up considering people like, oh, they're just have normal ideas.
[01:56:07]  You just disagree with them.
[01:56:08]  And that's why, you know, like, no, she's trying to kill all the Muslims.
[01:56:14]  She's a genocider.
[01:56:16]  Yeah.
[01:56:16]  So Alex has been teasing that he's going to go to calls with this whistleblower for a long time on the show.
[01:56:22]  And he finally gets around to it when there's 10 minutes left in the show.
[01:56:26]  And instead of going to actual calls, he immediately goes to a friend of Carrie's who's called in, who apparently served with him overseas in the service.
[01:56:35]  And this is how that goes.
[01:56:37]  I'm going to go to Carlos.
[01:56:38]  I'm going to go to Johnny, Solo, Ryan, Michael, and Chris.
[01:56:42]  But let's go to your buddy, Scott Goldsmith, that you know from Iraq, another veteran.
[01:56:46]  Thanks for holding Scott.
[01:56:47]  You're on the air.
[01:56:48]  In this guy, a trooper, Scott.
[01:56:50]  Oh, this is Fanto no Chinese toaga.
[01:56:53]  Petro take over your contract.
[01:56:56]  Oh, I see AI break in the side.
[01:56:59]  Scott Goldsmith.
[01:57:01]  Scott Goldsmith has credit score gone now.
[01:57:04]  So now message from China break in.
[01:57:06]  Oh.
[01:57:07]  Oh, you don't say we have LeBron James.
[01:57:12]  When, for the people who are not, you know, you're just listening to this, Jordan's mouth was agape when that call started.

=== Alex's Offensive Humor (14:15) ===

[01:57:20]  Your jaw was wide open.
[01:57:25]  I can't believe that this show would also have a guy say the N-word a couple of times.
[01:57:29]  I just cannot believe that.
[01:57:31]  This is a family show, Dan.
[01:57:33]  It's pretty amazing.
[01:57:34]  Like, this, I think this is a good way to demonstrate to people that, like, hey, Alex is making these videos where he does this offensive Chinese voice on a dragon cartoon, and the audience responds to it.
[01:57:47]  They like it to the point where this guy is calling in, and he does it as a joke.
[01:57:52]  I'm going to get on all the act.
[01:57:54]  You can hear that dumb asshole laughing.
[01:57:56]  Yeah.
[01:57:56]  You know, like, Jesus, fuck you.
[01:57:59]  If you were on the left, we don't want you.
[01:58:02]  It's a funny gang.
[01:58:03]  Get the fuck out.
[01:58:04]  Yeah.
[01:58:05]  So this turns bad.
[01:58:08]  All right.
[01:58:08]  I was going to more calls here.
[01:58:10]  Let's talk to.
[01:58:13]  Sorry, stop doing that.
[01:58:14]  It makes me talk like that.
[01:58:16]  I saw you solo in Kentucky.
[01:58:19]  Oh, we saw the Kurds bombs in Kentucky on ABC News.
[01:58:23]  Oh, good media.
[01:58:25]  Oh, Trump leave the Kurds.
[01:58:27]  Sorry, Solo.
[01:58:28]  Go ahead.
[01:58:29]  So on October 14th, ABC aired some footage that was purportedly from Syria.
[01:58:34]  There was actually a, quote, nighttime machine gun demonstration from a shooting range in Kentucky.
[01:58:39]  Ever since this point, right-wing media figures like Alex have latched onto this as an excuse to pretend that there has not been horrible shit happening to the Kurds in northern Syria.
[01:58:47]  ABC apologized for the error and is investigating how the mistake was made.
[01:58:51]  This is a big mess up, but it was handled appropriately in terms of how news operations are supposed to work.
[01:58:57]  They fucked up, they apologized, and they made a correction.
[01:59:00]  It doesn't matter, though.
[01:59:01]  People like Alex can fuck up and lie a million times, never apologize, never correct anything.
[01:59:07]  And if you slip up once, they'll point to it over and over to portray you as the unethical party.
[01:59:12]  It's a lame, childish game.
[01:59:14]  Yep.
[01:59:14]  I personally don't care too much about this stupid game of finger pointing.
[01:59:18]  The truth is that ABC did fuck up in a big way, and in doing so, handed a weapon to the parties that want to whitewash and justify allowing a potential genocide to take place.
[01:59:29]  Senator John Cornyn said on Wednesday, quote, if Turkey was planning on coming into northern Syria and trying to ethnically cleanse the Kurds, and U.S. troops were caught in the middle, I'm not completely convinced that it was a bad idea to get them out of harm's way.
[01:59:43]  Last week, talking about Northern Syria, Trump himself said about Turkey, quote, they had to have it cleaned out.
[01:59:49]  In the immediate aftermath of Trump's withdrawal, Turkish forces moved in and started attacking.
[01:59:54]  Tens of thousands of civilians were displaced as they had to flee for their lives.
[01:59:58]  On the 13th, it was reported that Turkish-backed militants had executed nine people, including the Secretary General of the Future Syria Party, Hevrin Khalaf, who was the leader, who is a leader pushing for a more democratic state.
[02:00:11]  And these are far from the only civilians that were killed.
[02:00:14]  Pointing to one video that ABC News got wrong doesn't undo Hevrin Khalaf's execution, nor the deaths of all these other people.
[02:00:21]  All it does is give Alex a crutch to feel right when all he's doing is supporting an unjustifiable foreign policy decision that has doomed countless people to displacement, life under a dictator, or death.
[02:00:33]  Fuck Alex Jones.
[02:00:35]  These are the sorts of moments that you need to fully understand when people say that Alex is funny or this is just entertainment.
[02:00:41]  Were the hosts of the RTLM in Rwanda funny?
[02:00:45]  Was it just entertainment?
[02:00:46]  Was Lord HaHa funny?
[02:00:48]  Is that just entertainment?
[02:00:49]  Is this entertainment?
[02:00:51]  Alex is carrying water for Trump abandoning the Kurds while doing a racist Chinese accent.
[02:00:55]  Is that just funny?
[02:00:57]  It's not funny, and it's not entertainment.
[02:00:59]  It's cruel and malicious propaganda.
[02:01:01]  And the only thing I can really take solace in at this point is that I believe he'll probably live long enough to extremely regret his actions.
[02:01:10]  that's the only thing i can really hang my hat on because at this point like there's just there's just no words for how no i just can't he's He's doing an incredibly racist Chinese accent while minimizing and defending a genocide.
[02:01:29]  So I don't know what else.
[02:01:31]  If you can't recognize that as not just immoral, but some level of something that I can't complete psychopathy.
[02:01:40]  It's next level to a point.
[02:01:42]  I think that if history understands, like, the problem that I have is I don't think that Alex is very relevant.
[02:01:51]  And I don't think that he's affecting things nearly to the point that people like the broadcasters on the RTLM did.
[02:01:59]  I don't think Alex is causing any.
[02:02:02]  I'm sure he's causing some harm, but not to the extent that those propagandists did in those circumstances.
[02:02:08]  No, of course, of course.
[02:02:09]  But he's trying to.
[02:02:11]  His intention is very similar.
[02:02:12]  It's to minimize these very serious situations and deflect anybody being concerned about it in service of supporting Trump at any cost.
[02:02:24]  I think history is going to have a very complicated look at this if they actually take what he's doing seriously, as opposed to being like, yeah, he was an asshole conspiracy theorist, which is, I think, what a lot of people do.
[02:02:36]  But in reality, he's as bad as you can get.
[02:02:40]  Yeah.
[02:02:42]  I don't understand how nobody.
[02:02:43]  I really am amazed.
[02:02:46]  I'm not amazed.
[02:02:46]  And I do understand.
[02:02:47]  That's the problem.
[02:02:48]  Let me put it that way.
[02:02:50]  It is so normal that John Cornyn will face no discipline for literally saying, I'm fine with ethnic cleansing.
[02:02:59]  Of course he won't.
[02:03:00]  That's how awful it is.
[02:03:02]  It is totally normal that not even other senators are.
[02:03:06]  They're like, oh, he shouldn't have said that.
[02:03:08]  That's what we've got now.
[02:03:10]  That's what we've got.
[02:03:11]  And you know it.
[02:03:12]  You understand it.
[02:03:13]  You know, like you want to say.
[02:03:14]  It's normal.
[02:03:15]  You want to say so bad.
[02:03:17]  I don't get it.
[02:03:18]  And he's like, no, of course you do.
[02:03:20]  It's what's been going on for so long.
[02:03:22]  Cornyn should be kneecapped.
[02:03:25]  I mean it.
[02:03:26]  I mean it.
[02:03:27]  He should literally, I don't want harm to come to anybody but his knee should be blown out.
[02:03:33]  What a fucking prick.
[02:03:35]  I don't support the use of violence for political gains, but I understand why you're expressing yourself that way.
[02:03:40]  I don't want political gains out of this stuff.
[02:03:45]  I have no political gain to be gotten out of this.
[02:03:48]  Just trying to push back on your violent talk.
[02:03:50]  That's all I'm doing.
[02:03:51]  This is just.
[02:03:53]  I hear you.
[02:03:53]  I hear you.
[02:03:55]  And I think that one of the things that's really important, and I hate to say like, haha, our show is important because I don't know if it really is all that important.
[02:04:02]  But when you talk about Alex Jones, this is the stuff that really is the balance that's important.
[02:04:07]  This is this, like, this dude is like way out of line here.
[02:04:12]  But at the same time, he's also running commercials where he brags about having a chainsaw.
[02:04:15]  Right, right, right.
[02:04:17]  There is a farcical aspect to a lot of the work he does, but underneath it, there is this, like, if he had an opportunity to, he would defend a genocide.
[02:04:27]  Oh, 100%.
[02:04:28]  Because that's the behavior that he's manifesting here.
[02:04:30]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:04:30]  And that is important to consider.
[02:04:33]  Because should things ever get bad enough in this country where we're talking about, like, let's say getting rid of all Muslims in the country, like deporting all of them, he would be for it.
[02:04:44]  And he would be behaving in this sort of way.
[02:04:47]  Oh, of course.
[02:04:48]  And that's not relevant.
[02:04:52]  Nope.
[02:04:53]  Nope.
[02:04:54]  So we have one last clip here, and Barnes has shown up.
[02:04:56]  Great.
[02:04:57]  Because Barnes also wants to talk to the Google whistleblower.
[02:05:00]  Barnes wants to throw some N-words around, too.
[02:05:02]  He's like, hey, wait, I was his lawyer first.
[02:05:05]  See, this is where it gets into a really interesting conversation.
[02:05:09]  We had Pattis come in, and he did what he did.
[02:05:12]  Now we're going to hear what Barnes says.
[02:05:14]  And afterwards, I challenge you to answer.
[02:05:17]  To discern which one is.
[02:05:19]  Are we playing the greatest fucking game show in history?
[02:05:22]  Who is the worst lawyer on the October 23rd episode of Alex's show?
[02:05:27]  The Russians are not a threat.
[02:05:28]  They don't like Putin in particular because Putin is anti-the sort of EU established order of things.
[02:05:34]  They can't push Pootie Poot around.
[02:05:36]  Exactly.
[02:05:36]  And that's what drives them nuts.
[02:05:37]  Same reason why they hate Trump is the reason why they hate Putin.
[02:05:40]  Putin is not a threat to the United States.
[02:05:41]  He could be a great ally to the United States in the war against Islam.
[02:05:44]  And in dealing with China, we're pushing Russia.
[02:05:47]  I get a very honest war against Islam.
[02:05:49]  That's what it is.
[02:05:50]  Oh, boy.
[02:05:53]  So, Jordan, I ask you, which of these lawyers is more fucked up?
[02:05:59]  The guy coming in and talking about the N-word and saying the N-word, or the lawyer who comes in and very bluntly and confidently declares we're at war with a religion.
[02:06:12]  Man, you know, I want to say congratulations to both our competitors.
[02:06:17]  You guys really left it all out on the field today.
[02:06:21]  You didn't think it was possible that that clip was going to, in any way, cause any kind of like, I wonder which is worse.
[02:06:27]  I just didn't see it coming.
[02:06:29]  Yeah.
[02:06:30]  And there we have it.
[02:06:31]  I, oh man, I'm going to, you know, you want to go with just pure numbers.
[02:06:37]  Yeah.
[02:06:37]  You know, there are more, there are more people, but I'm going to.
[02:06:43]  Man.
[02:06:45]  Let me give you, while you're thinking, let me give you my thought on it.
[02:06:48]  Okay.
[02:06:48]  I think that viscerally Norm takes the win.
[02:06:52]  Right, right, right.
[02:06:53]  But if you step back and look at it a little bit more, I think probably what Barnes is saying might be worse.
[02:07:01]  Right.
[02:07:01]  Inasmuch as he's sort of declaring the holy war, or he's.
[02:07:05]  Yes.
[02:07:06]  Like there is a lot more that should that worldview be accepted more broadly, what you would be looking at is probably the end of the world.
[02:07:19]  Or at the very least, like a very, very fucked up campaign of trying to rid the world of Islam.
[02:07:26]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:27]  And I think that would probably have far worse effects than Norm being allowed to say the N-word.
[02:07:33]  Right, right, right, right.
[02:07:35]  Well, see, and that's not to minimize the experience of people who have to hear Norm say the N-word.
[02:07:40]  This is the thing, right?
[02:07:42]  I mean, I guess it's more just like Barnes came out and said the war against Islam.
[02:07:48]  Yeah.
[02:07:49]  Then Alex said, I applaud your honesty.
[02:07:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:52]  And Norm only kind of pointed to a major thing, which is the war against minorities.
[02:07:59]  So, you know, which one you're going to go with?
[02:08:03]  The war against.
[02:08:05]  And let me be clear, I'm not saying, I don't want to add a position of relative badness.
[02:08:13]  No, I know.
[02:08:13]  That's what I'm saying.
[02:08:15]  But it seems like one implies a world war.
[02:08:19]  I don't know.
[02:08:20]  Jesus, these fucking guys are.
[02:08:24]  I feel like the bar should be harder to pass, I guess.
[02:08:27]  Yeah.
[02:08:30]  I think that's our real issue.
[02:08:32]  Is it lawyerly behavior to say the N-word on Alex's show?
[02:08:36]  Can you get going on Alex's show?
[02:08:39]  That should be disbarring.
[02:08:41]  Oh, well, legal system's broken.
[02:08:43]  Yep.
[02:08:45]  I think these guys have just really done a great job at illuminating how everything is broken.
[02:08:53]  Just everything.
[02:08:53]  I cannot believe how shocking this episode was in some ways.
[02:08:58]  That is just bananas.
[02:09:00]  Just, I mean, it's staggering just alone that on one episode of his show, Alex had both of his lawyers as guests.
[02:09:08]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[02:09:09]  That alone.
[02:09:09]  And then the fact that both of them took such huge swings.
[02:09:13]  Yeah.
[02:09:13]  Just crazy, crazy shit.
[02:09:18]  One saying the N-word and the other declaring the war of Islamophobia.
[02:09:23]  This is just also, these two dudes are perfect examples of why this show is so the weakest link.
[02:09:33]  This is what we've talked about.
[02:09:34]  How many people in their quiet moments when, guess what?
[02:09:39]  No one's listening and it's just us guys, how many people would say, I applaud you for saying the war on Islam?
[02:09:46]  You know so many who in public, in public, no, no, no, no, we'd never talk about that.
[02:09:52]  We'd never say that.
[02:09:53]  But when it's just us guys, when it's just you and me, it's good that you're finally just coming out and saying it.
[02:10:00]  I don't think it's too far off base from Alex's sort of normal conception of things.
[02:10:04]  Yeah.
[02:10:05]  But it's weird for his lawyer.
[02:10:07]  Yeah.
[02:10:07]  I mean, but that's what I'm saying about that.
[02:10:10]  If I heard Alex just say it, it wouldn't even be a clip.
[02:10:13]  I'd claim that.
[02:10:14]  Exactly.
[02:10:16]  That would just be awesome.
[02:10:19]  That's totally what I'm saying as far as the weakest link goes.
[02:10:21]  It's not Alex.
[02:10:23]  It's his lawyers coming on there, being like, I'm glad now that it's just us, we all know what we can say.
[02:10:30]  This shit flies.
[02:10:31]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:10:33]  Yep.
[02:10:33]  We're fucked, Dan.
[02:10:35]  Yep.
[02:10:36]  So, but also, it's good to know.
[02:10:38]  I do believe that I think that a lot of these signs that we're seeing means that Alex is fucked too.
[02:10:43]  Yeah.
[02:10:43]  So there's at least like you can take cold comfort in the fact that this isn't going well for him either.
[02:10:49]  Yeah.
[02:10:50]  I know it's not, it doesn't help.
[02:10:52]  And what he's saying is still profoundly awful, even if he is circling the drain.
[02:10:57]  But, hey, man.
[02:10:58]  Man, you know what's going on?
[02:11:00]  One day it will be a brag for him to say he has a chainsaw.
[02:11:02]  I really, I genuinely, really think that if you had Trump as the host and Barr and Giuliani as the two lawyers, this conversation, these could be played out in the same script.
[02:11:14]  It might be a little bit less coherent.
[02:11:16]  Yeah.
[02:11:17]  Yeah, isn't that the sad part?
[02:11:18]  Yeah.

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[02:11:20]  Same script could be played out by those three guys.
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