Knowledge Fight - #349: April 15-16, 2013
Aired: 2019-09-30
Duration: 03:21:25


=== Flavored Vape Controversy (03:07) ===

[00:00:59]  Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:07]  Indeed, we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  What up?
[00:01:08]  Dan?
[00:01:09]  What up, Playboy?
[00:01:10]  Are you panicking?
[00:01:11]  I am why?
[00:01:12]  Are you panicking over vape fever?
[00:01:14]  Oh, yeah.
[00:01:15]  I mean, I guess this whole thing is going on.
[00:01:18]  I am so sick of this bullet.
[00:01:19]  Is that your question?
[00:01:20]  I know, right?
[00:01:20]  Is that your question?
[00:01:21]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:01:22]  I want to hear your thoughts on this.
[00:01:23]  Well, I was thinking about this, and it happened.
[00:01:26]  I'm old enough now.
[00:01:27]  I'm 35.
[00:01:28]  I'm old enough and have a career as someone who has smoked things for long enough to realize that it kind of happens every generation.
[00:01:37]  There's kind of a little bit of a panic of some kind that we're marketing things to children, and then you restrict everybody's access to fun stuff.
[00:01:45]  Like when I was, I would call it 1920-ish or so, I smoked cigarettes, and Camel came out with a line of cigarettes that would come in a tin, and there was a vanilla flavor.
[00:01:57]  Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember those orange chocolate.
[00:02:00]  Right.
[00:02:00]  Like these were like really awesome, cool flavors that they had.
[00:02:05]  I fucking love these things.
[00:02:06]  And then there was a big stink about that, and they ended up having to get them out of the stores because they were selling them to kids.
[00:02:12]  Right.
[00:02:12]  And I mean, the same things have lingered for a long time.
[00:02:15]  Like, you can't sell menthol cigarettes 100 feet from a school in Chicago or whatever.
[00:02:19]  You have these, like, these weird rules about, like, these appeal to children, therefore gone.
[00:02:24]  And now we're just going through it with the next generation of technology with the vapes.
[00:02:27]  I think it's fucking lame.
[00:02:29]  I understand that, like, I don't know, a cotton candy vape cartridge might appeal to a younger person, but you know what?
[00:02:35]  I'm 30 fucking five and I want to buy one too.
[00:02:40]  I'm not proud of that, but I do.
[00:02:42]  I bought the sour gummy worm flavor from the vape shop.
[00:02:46]  I have to try them.
[00:02:47]  I love the novelty.
[00:02:49]  Of course.
[00:02:49]  I like the weirdness of it.
[00:02:50]  And I don't appreciate this government overreach.
[00:02:53]  Oh, man.
[00:02:54]  It's so stupid.
[00:02:56]  But I do also understand that there are problems that are possibly coming to light about vape use that we just didn't have enough time to really understand some of the dangers about them.
[00:03:09]  Right, right, right, for sure.
[00:03:10]  And if, you know, if things are motivated along those lines and there are restrictions that are made, then I kind of understand.
[00:03:15]  But if it's just flavor-based, no, fuck off.
[00:03:18]  Fuck off.
[00:03:19]  So that's my speech on vapes.
[00:03:22]  I was wondering.
[00:03:23]  Yeah, I'm not thrilled with that.
[00:03:25]  I also just miss those camels that came in the tin.
[00:03:28]  Love those fucking camels.
[00:03:30]  Everybody has pointed it out, but it is never not hilarious to me that it's like, Walmart, we're never selling vapes again.
[00:03:37]  I'll take two packs of Camel.
[00:03:38]  Thank you very much.
[00:03:39]  Wonderful.
[00:03:40]  Yeah, it's a mess.
[00:03:41]  Yeah.
[00:03:42]  So this is a podcast where I have a lot of feelings about flavored tobacco products, and I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:03:48]  I think I'm on both now.
[00:03:49]  That's where I'm at.
[00:03:51]  So, Jordan, today we are getting into the long-awaited and highly anticipated and anxiety-provoking episode of the Alex Jones Show from April 15th and 16th.

=== Boston Marathon Bombing Response (03:11) ===

[00:04:02]  We'll be going over today where the Boston Marathon bombing happens.
[00:04:07]  And we get to see how Alex responds to it in real time.
[00:04:11]  And I sincerely think that this is one of the grimmer looks at a man.
[00:04:16]  Great.
[00:04:16]  Great.
[00:04:17]  All right.
[00:04:18]  Off to a good start.
[00:04:20]  He does not comport himself well.
[00:04:22]  Oh, that's a surprise.
[00:04:23]  I will say.
[00:04:23]  That's a surprise.
[00:04:24]  Along the way, I have a lot of very fine points to make.
[00:04:28]  And it's one of the things that I think is really the most difficult and most rewarding of doing this podcast.
[00:04:33]  And that is that whenever there's something like this, the tragedy happens or news breaks, you really get to see how Alex spins his wheels in real time.
[00:04:43]  And I think deconstructing how the ball moves forward, especially in the immediate point, I think is really revealing.
[00:04:52]  And then also, I lost respect for someone that I previously had respect for.
[00:04:56]  Oh, yeah?
[00:04:57]  Ooh.
[00:04:57]  And it's not Dan Badondi.
[00:04:59]  It's not Dan Badondi.
[00:05:00]  I assume it's not Leo.
[00:05:02]  Zagami?
[00:05:03]  No.
[00:05:03]  There's nothing that could make me lose.
[00:05:04]  Leo Zagami does not show up over this stretch of time.
[00:05:08]  That would be funny.
[00:05:08]  That would be wild.
[00:05:09]  That would be wild.
[00:05:10]  Especially because Alex is.
[00:05:10]  I did it!
[00:05:12]  Especially because Alex doesn't know him at this point.
[00:05:14]  So that would be very strange.
[00:05:16]  He just walks into studio.
[00:05:17]  Yeah.
[00:05:18]  So we'll get into all that, and I think there's a lot to learn, a lot to discuss today.
[00:05:23]  But before we get to that, you've got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and made this anxiety-provoking episode possible.
[00:05:29]  Love it.
[00:05:29]  So, first of all, thank you to Philip.
[00:05:31]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:33]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:34]  Thanks, Philip.
[00:05:35]  Next, Caitlin.
[00:05:36]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:36]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:38]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:39]  Thanks, Caitlin.
[00:05:40]  Next, Dustin.
[00:05:41]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:41]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:43]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:44]  Thank you, Dustin.
[00:05:45]  I had a guy who worked at a movie theater with named Dustin, and his last initial was G, and it made him furious that his name was Dusting.
[00:05:52]  Oh, no.
[00:05:52]  And I hope that this person is not living in the same gerund-related struggle.
[00:05:57]  All right.
[00:05:58]  Next, Claire.
[00:05:59]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:59]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:02]  Thanks, Claire.
[00:06:03]  Next, Lenoir, I believe.
[00:06:06]  L-E-N-O-I-R.
[00:06:07]  Lenoir.
[00:06:08]  I like it.
[00:06:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:11]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:12]  Thank you.
[00:06:14]  Lenoir.
[00:06:16]  And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who have donated on elevated level.
[00:06:20]  We appreciate that very much.
[00:06:21]  So, Santi and Admiral Cavendish, thank you to you both.
[00:06:26]  You are wonderful technocrats.
[00:06:28]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:29]  Crikey, mate.
[00:06:30]  That's fantastic.
[00:06:31]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:06:32]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:06:34]  We got to go full-telt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
[00:06:36]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:06:38]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:06:40]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:06:42]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:06:44]  I declare info war on you.
[00:06:46]  Thank you so much, Santi, and thank you so much, Admiral Cavendish.

=== Intentional Anxieties and Bombs Pressure (09:43) ===

[00:06:50]  Yes, thank you for the show.
[00:06:50]  King of the high seas.
[00:06:52]  Absolutely.
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[00:07:00]  Bye.
[00:07:00]  I'm not sure what it would be.
[00:07:02]  Yeah, that one's troublesome.
[00:07:04]  But whatever the case, if you'd like to support our show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
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[00:07:11]  Please do.
[00:07:11]  So only have a tiny little speech here just to write down some of the stuff.
[00:07:16]  So we're starting on April 15th, and on April 15th, 2013, at 2.49 Eastern Time, a bomb detonated near the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
[00:07:26]  14 seconds later, a second bomb placed 210 yards away went off.
[00:07:30]  Three people were killed, but at least 264 were wounded, 14 of whom required amputations.
[00:07:37]  The high number of injuries was the result of the homemade bombs being packed with nails and ball bearings, meant to be shrapnel to hit as many people as possible.
[00:07:45]  The bombs themselves were very rudimentary, which led authorities to believe that this could easily be the work of amateurs.
[00:07:51]  Their basic construction of the bombs was just a pressure cook uh pressure cooker filled with gunpowder, a little wiring, and the shrapnel.
[00:07:58]  The gunpowder came from fireworks that were purchased and emptied into the pressure cookers, which is just chilling to think about.
[00:08:04]  A person with really terrible intentions could do so much damage with pretty easy to get materials if they're so motivated and drawn that direction.
[00:08:14]  When this all happened, I was working a terrible temp job at an insurance company that I had no business being in the underwriting department for.
[00:08:20]  It was just a very weird circumstance.
[00:08:23]  They had very little work for me to do, so a lot of my time was spent reading conspiracy message boards to pass the time.
[00:08:29]  I remember April 15th, 2013, very clearly, and I remember how everyone in the conspiracy world was following Alex Jones's lead.
[00:08:36]  So many of the narratives that I heard listening back to these episodes were taken as concrete fact on the sites that I was killing time reading.
[00:08:44]  And when posters on those sites would be pushed to provide a source, it was very regularly Infowars links.
[00:08:51]  I struggled with how to present this episode since everyone listening knows how this plays out, at least in the real world, or at least they know the basics of it.
[00:08:59]  Our episode today is going to cover exclusively April 15th and 16th.
[00:09:04]  And I kind of feel like if I lay out everything that happens with the aftermath of the bombing and how things progress, that'll leave us with very little to deconstruct and talk about when the later events come around when we cover future episodes.
[00:09:18]  So I apologize if that's unsatisfying, but I assure you we'll cover all that stuff as it unfolds.
[00:09:23]  For now, by the time Alex goes off air on the episode on April 16th, no one knows anything about who did the bombing.
[00:09:31]  No one knows what their motivations could have been or if they were even working with a terrorist group.
[00:09:36]  Here's all the information that had come out by the 16th.
[00:09:39]  Within minutes, it was clear that this was not an accident, since there were two explosions a ways apart from each other, and video footage showed explosions inconsistent with a gas main explosion or something along those lines.
[00:09:50]  It was clear very quickly that this was an attack.
[00:09:53]  Initially, a whole lot of the media coverage was about people who saved each other's lives.
[00:09:58]  In the absence of any concrete things to report, that seems like the next most important story to tell, reassuring people.
[00:10:05]  People were embodying that Mr. Rogers spirit of looking for the helpers.
[00:10:09]  Obama's press conference mirrored this with him highlighting the bright parts of humanity that come out in a tragedy.
[00:10:15]  The people selflessly helping each other, the runners continuing to run to the hospital to donate blood, inspiring and unifying images, basically, just as like we gotta tell people something.
[00:10:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:26]  This is something that Alex really doesn't talk about at all over the course of these episodes.
[00:10:30]  And sincerely, the human aspect of this, both that's inspirational and the part that's tragic.
[00:10:37]  I don't really see Alex being all that interested in any of that stuff.
[00:10:41]  By the 16th, Obama had given his speech, and he'd called this an act of terror, but wasn't necessarily calling it strongly a terrorist attack.
[00:10:50]  And that kind of caused a little bit of weird conversation surrounding, why aren't you calling this a terrorist?
[00:10:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:57]  Which we'll touch on a little bit down the road on this episode.
[00:11:00]  The FBI was quoted by the BBC as calling it a quote potential terrorist investigation that they were engaged in.
[00:11:06]  Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis held a press conference and announced they had no specific intelligence that something like this would happen in advance.
[00:11:14]  The country, but Boston in particular, was in a very fucked up place.
[00:11:18]  Something that had such positive connotations, a marathon, had been turned into something terrifying.
[00:11:24]  Marathons were the sort of thing that you associate with being the culmination of hard work and dedication, with family and friends cheering you on to make it those last steps to get across the finish line.
[00:11:34]  The bombers had taken those associations and replaced them with blood trails and missing limbs, which is very hard to deal with as a country.
[00:11:42]  And even if you're watching it on TV, even if you're away from it, particularly for the people immediately associated with what happened, but everybody is reeling to an extent.
[00:11:55]  And on top of that, the culprits were still on the loose.
[00:11:58]  And there wasn't a lot of clues about who'd done this.
[00:12:01]  Boston was on high alert with heightened law enforcement levels on the streets.
[00:12:04]  No one knew if this person or persons were going to strike again.
[00:12:08]  No one knew what to expect.
[00:12:09]  No one knew anything except that a lot of people got hurt and that it was intentional.
[00:12:14]  This is an incredibly tense situation.
[00:12:16]  It's one of elevated anxiety and one where people crave any information to help them make sense of what happened.
[00:12:22]  It's the kind of situation where someone like Alex Jones is at his most dangerous.
[00:12:27]  Because no one knew what the story was of what had happened, Alex was free to craft a story all his own, and no one could really prove that he was wrong.
[00:12:35]  It was a very definition of that metaphor I always use about Alex needing to act fast.
[00:12:40]  He needs to act while the concrete is wet.
[00:12:42]  Until that concrete dries, he can easily put his initials in there forever.
[00:12:47]  But if he waits too long, he's going to need a jackhammer to make an impression.
[00:12:51]  I try to approach this show, our podcast, from a position with a bit of objectivity and elevating myself above stuff and not let myself get too mad.
[00:13:00]  But I can't sit here and pretend that what we're going to go over here today doesn't infuriate me.
[00:13:04]  For one, my family lived in Boston and Cambridge from just after I was born until I was six years old.
[00:13:10]  And while I don't remember much of that time too vividly, nor can I really claim any kind of big association with the city, it's still a part of my life.
[00:13:18]  I've always held a real fondness for Boston, and I was a huge fan of the Mighty Mighty Boston's growing up, but ultimately that has little to do with my anger.
[00:13:26]  And I'm not trying to personalize this to myself.
[00:13:29]  What makes me angry is that if you pay attention to Alex during the immediate aftermath of this attack, you can very clearly see that what he's doing is intentional.
[00:13:38]  We often discuss the stupid versus evil question, and I find his behavior that we're going to look at squarely on the evil side.
[00:13:45]  I hope by the time we reach the end of this episode, you'll see what I'm saying and realize that Alex is making calculated decisions in order to maximize his outcome.
[00:13:53]  This episode will take us straight through to the 16th, and like I said, by that point, the world really doesn't know that much.
[00:14:00]  We're a full two days away from the FBI releasing photos of the suspects and three days away from an arrest, but those are all things we'll cover on a future episode.
[00:14:08]  At this point, we know that the bombs were pressure cookers.
[00:14:10]  We know it was an attack, and that's about it.
[00:14:13]  At least, that's what we know by the 16th.
[00:14:16]  As Alex's show begins on the 15th, the attack hasn't even happened yet.
[00:14:20]  He has no idea what's going to happen by the end of the time he's on air, and thus we begin today's show very familiarly in the sense that the show, you know, it's in a very serious holding pattern, and we hear the familiar things that we've heard over the past couple weeks.
[00:14:37]  Right.
[00:14:38]  But knowing what we know and knowing how his show, before it goes off air, is going to have this giant curveball thrown, it's very surreal to hear the completely normal thing at the beginning.
[00:14:52]  Yeah.
[00:14:52]  And so that's where we'll end up jumping in.
[00:14:54]  All right.
[00:14:55]  I feel like I should pull curtains open after that.
[00:14:58]  And we have set the stage and now our first act begins.
[00:15:02]  Yeah.
[00:15:03]  I'm sorry if that's a bit much.
[00:15:05]  No, no, no, no.
[00:15:06]  I'm saying it's theatrical.
[00:15:10]  It is what it is.
[00:15:11]  I don't mean it to be.
[00:15:12]  I just felt that there needed to be more of a thesis to this than normal.
[00:15:16]  The stakes are a little bit higher.
[00:15:18]  A little bit.
[00:15:19]  And I came away from this, listening to these episodes, with far more of a strong feeling of like, he's doing this on purpose.
[00:15:27]  I can see the craft here than in other times in the past.
[00:15:31]  Granted, on some smaller scale things, it's obvious.
[00:15:34]  You can see like, he's doing that on purpose.
[00:15:36]  Ding, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:38]  But in this case, it was just pretty overt, and I found it to be repulsive.
[00:15:43]  An actual world-shaking crisis pried open his bullshit, and now you see the craft.
[00:15:49]  You see the artifice behind it.
[00:15:51]  But the other thing is.
[00:15:51]  And a narcissistic malignant personality disorder.
[00:15:55]  And it would be very difficult to concretely see it as much in the moment.
[00:16:00]  Like back then, if you're listening in 2013, it's much more difficult to see the ways that manipulation is being done.
[00:16:07]  But now, six years later, looking back, it's pretty fucking clear to me at least.
[00:16:13]  And I hope I'll present these clips that we have, and we'll walk through this.

=== Regulating Commodities Markets (08:08) ===

[00:16:18]  And I hope the conclusion isn't that, hey, Dan's way off on this one.
[00:16:24]  Yeah, after three years of nonstop creating context for almost precisely this moment, I think Dan got it wrong.
[00:16:33]  So we start on the 15th, and Alex has a pretty standard narrative to begin the show.
[00:16:40]  Gold is down 6.91%.
[00:16:44]  6.91% to $1,380 an ounce.
[00:16:49]  They're calling this a collapse.
[00:16:51]  A collapse would be losing half its value is generally what you call a collapse, not 6.91.
[00:16:57]  But they're trying to create a collapse.
[00:16:59]  Here's the headlines.
[00:17:00]  Gold set for worst two-day loss since 1983.
[00:17:05]  So he's leading the show with gold is down, but it's not real, really.
[00:17:11]  Hey, hey, hey, it's what?
[00:17:13]  6.9%?
[00:17:14]  Nah, that's not real.
[00:17:15]  You need to lose 50% before it's down.
[00:17:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:19]  So he's rationalizing and minimizing this drop in the gold price.
[00:17:23]  And of course, it should be pointed out, he's syndicated by the same guy who owns Midas Resources, a gold sales company.
[00:17:30]  So anytime he has a narrative that surrounds gold, it's like, well, I don't know about you, man.
[00:17:36]  I don't know if I'm going to listen to you.
[00:17:38]  Well, the first thing that I hear is like him being like, hey, no, no, don't worry about it.
[00:17:43]  It's not a collapse because I think the next sentence is going to be, now's a great time to buy, actually.
[00:17:49]  It's 6.9% down.
[00:17:50]  He does actually think that.
[00:17:51]  And of course there's a conspiracy behind it that the globalists have exactly the same idea that you do.
[00:17:58]  There's the headline.
[00:17:59]  Panic is everywhere.
[00:18:01]  Worst two-day loss since 1983.
[00:18:03]  So that's how the media is pushing at ABC News.
[00:18:06]  Gold investors exit amid price collapse.
[00:18:10]  Meanwhile, you'll see Soros badmouth gold.
[00:18:13]  You'll see other globalists do it.
[00:18:15]  They just want to be able to drive it down to buy it.
[00:18:18]  See?
[00:18:18]  There we go.
[00:18:19]  There it is.
[00:18:20]  There it is.
[00:18:21]  So in April 2013, gold prices plummeted.
[00:18:24]  Today, Alex is talking about this 6% drop, but it would continue from here, ending April with a 13% drop.
[00:18:30]  This absolutely feeds into Alex's paranoias that we've been seeing since he's a propagandist who's syndicated by a company that's also a gold dealer.
[00:18:38]  But everything he's suggesting about this drop in price is not true.
[00:18:42]  It's one of those universal features of Alex's worldview that this taps into, and that is selective omnipotence.
[00:18:50]  The globalists are so overpowered that they have complete control over all commodity prices and push them up or down to suit their whims.
[00:18:57]  They're suppressing the price of gold, according to Alex, which explains why the value isn't through the roof.
[00:19:02]  But one day they're going to stop suppressing it, so you better buy your gold from Midas Resources now before it's too late.
[00:19:08]  Of course.
[00:19:08]  That makes perfect sense.
[00:19:09]  But they're not just suppressing the price.
[00:19:11]  Sometimes they also crash the price.
[00:19:13]  But that's just so it gets really cheap and they can buy it all up.
[00:19:17]  Right, like the earlier one, except for bigger.
[00:19:20]  Right.
[00:19:20]  Yeah, but they do it all the time.
[00:19:22]  But it also makes no fucking sense.
[00:19:24]  No.
[00:19:24]  They're the fucking globalists.
[00:19:25]  Right.
[00:19:26]  They're in bed with the Federal Reserve.
[00:19:28]  Money is not an issue to them.
[00:19:29]  It's a huge issue.
[00:19:30]  If they wanted to buy up all the gold, they could just do it at whatever price point they wanted.
[00:19:33]  They don't need to wait for a 6% drop in price like they're the evil version of a coupon copy.
[00:19:37]  Are you talking about what you think you get rich by not taking a 6% cut?
[00:19:43]  If you're the fucking globalist, you do, they're evil.
[00:19:48]  They're evil, but they're thrifty, Dan.
[00:19:50]  I'm not sure they are.
[00:19:52]  I don't know if fiscal prudence is a hallmark of Alex's characterization of his enemies.
[00:19:59]  Dan, the old adage is you don't get rich by spending money, Dan.
[00:20:03]  That's what they tell the poor.
[00:20:04]  You get rich by hoarding it.
[00:20:06]  I don't know.
[00:20:07]  I just think it's absurd to think, like, oh, yeah, the globalists would buy up all the gold, but they need it just a little bit lower in price.
[00:20:14]  Right.
[00:20:15]  It's ridiculous.
[00:20:15]  The globalists can do whatever they want at any time, whenever they want it, but they're mostly worried about kind of like inconveniencing a lot of people.
[00:20:26]  And margin.
[00:20:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:20:28]  That's the selective omnipotence part.
[00:20:31]  They can do anything, but they're encumbered by whatever restrictions I decide to put on them that make it convenient for my narratives.
[00:20:39]  His big restriction, I think, that we'll always come back to is that like they have to make you agree to it.
[00:20:46]  That's their restriction.
[00:20:47]  They can do whatever they want.
[00:20:49]  That's imagine.
[00:20:50]  You have to say yes to them.
[00:20:51]  You have to shake their hands.
[00:20:53]  Like vampires.
[00:20:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:20:54]  Bullshit.
[00:20:55]  Like in Gravity Falls with the Triangle Man.
[00:20:58]  Nonsense.
[00:20:59]  So in reality, if you consult more grounded, data-driven sources like the International Business Times or Forbes, the picture is really clear what's going on and post-mortems that were done after the fact into 2014.
[00:21:10]  The first variable is that gold mining companies were having a particularly bad year around this point, which is an indicator to investors to be worried.
[00:21:18]  These companies took out expenditures and loans to establish new mines like Nova Gold did in Alaska, and they were not coming through.
[00:21:26]  The picture looked a lot like a lot of these companies that provide a lot of the supply of gold were in trouble, and that's a bad sign downstream.
[00:21:33]  The second factor was automated commodities trading.
[00:21:36]  Tons of trading entities had set up algorithms, but they also set them up with very similar or the same buy and sell points.
[00:21:43]  So when the market veered in one direction, you had a number of groups who were following the same pattern.
[00:21:48]  This wouldn't have had too much of an effect on the larger price of gold if it were just one or two entities automatically buying and selling.
[00:21:55]  But as commodities analyst Jeffrey Christian told the International Business Times, quote, it was more than 1,000 entities trading in a 10-minute period, which has a severe impact.
[00:22:06]  You see this in a lot of commodities markets, and it's probably something that we should fucking regulate super heavily.
[00:22:11]  And maybe isn't even a healthy thing to allow, quite a bit.
[00:22:13]  No, it is absolutely not.
[00:22:14]  But I'm not certain I'm well-versed enough in markets to know if it's a good idea for us to just say, like, let's outlaw automated trading.
[00:22:21]  I'm not positive all the ramifications of that, but we should also be like, let's get this under control.
[00:22:26]  Michael Lewis has wrote a book about the automation and how people are like the larger banks are trying to set up their servers as close as possible because even an inch of fucking fiber optic cable means one one trillionth of a second faster.
[00:22:46]  And since all of this stuff is automated, that means that you win one one trillionth of a cent more than your competitors.
[00:22:53]  Yeah, and that adds up.
[00:22:54]  Exactly, because you're making 10 billion trades a second, you know, whatever it is.
[00:22:59]  And yeah, no, it should absolutely be against the law.
[00:23:02]  100%.
[00:23:03]  Because we've seen it so many times that all of a sudden there's just this flash crisis that lasts 20 minutes and people lose.
[00:23:10]  And a lot of it could be fairly just accidental and based on computer.
[00:23:15]  And some of that stuff involves the random Twitter content and the general mood of Twitter as a way of, well, we buy or sell this nonsense.
[00:23:24]  And you're like, dude, that's crazy.
[00:23:26]  It's all very bizarre computer shit that ends up affecting real world stuff in a way that maybe we should get a rein on.
[00:23:33]  Yeah, but not them.
[00:23:35]  You're saying outlawing.
[00:23:36]  Saying maybe.
[00:23:38]  There's where we stand.
[00:23:40]  Point is that Alex is lying about the gold situation in 2013.
[00:23:43]  Now, honestly, I think it's a factor in this whole thing that I hadn't considered too much about this escalating rhetoric that he's been putting out.
[00:23:50]  I mostly didn't consider it because he hasn't talked about it much until this episode.
[00:23:55]  The price of gold dropping is a huge part of his financial collapse narratives.
[00:23:59]  So it would make sense that he would latch onto it as a sign of the implosion that's coming ahead.
[00:24:05]  And whether or not it's spoken, I feel like this has been in the background for at least these April episodes that we've been listening to, just as a ghost.

=== Boat Trouble (04:29) ===

[00:24:12]  Just the drop of gold prices.
[00:24:15]  But maybe he thought, like, it'll course correct, and now it hasn't.
[00:24:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:24:19]  So he's talking about it.
[00:24:21]  I'll say that he kind of gets distracted by something a little later in this episode.
[00:24:26]  It doesn't factor too much into the coverage of the bombing, but I wanted to bring this up here and make a point out of it because I have a strong suspicion it's going to get incorporated into his narratives moving forward because it does not stop.
[00:24:37]  Gold has a bad year in 2013, but a particularly bad April.
[00:24:41]  That's when things really start to dive.
[00:24:43]  And it does make sense from all of his hustle narrative.
[00:24:49]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:24:49]  You know, his motivations.
[00:24:51]  It makes sense that that would be a factor in a precipitous drop downwards in his life.
[00:24:58]  So Alex spins his wheels and he's yelling about this.
[00:25:00]  You know, there's the financial side of things.
[00:25:02]  There's the all of the same, like they're going to take your kids.
[00:25:07]  The globalists are trying to get the veterans.
[00:25:09]  All this he's yelling and he reaches a despondent state.
[00:25:13]  And he starts talking about how he doesn't know what to do.
[00:25:16]  How's my daughter supposed to protect herself against the globalists?
[00:25:20]  And I honestly think that this is one of the more irresponsible things for him to do.
[00:25:25]  I don't just say I get chills, folks.
[00:25:27]  I can hardly do this radio show because even doing this radio show is just like everything's business as usual.
[00:25:34]  It's not business as usual.
[00:25:41]  I just am so worried about my children.
[00:25:44]  I watched my five-year-old daughter go off to dance class this morning with my mother, who took her.
[00:25:49]  And there's just my mother's innocent, even though she's a very smart person who knows history, is a history-obsessed buff.
[00:25:56]  She's still, she's, I mean, what is my mother supposed to do to fight the new world order?
[00:26:01]  What's my five-year-old daughter supposed to do?
[00:26:04]  I'm the man.
[00:26:05]  I'm supposed to do something about this, and I don't know what to do because you got crazy criminals running wild.
[00:26:14]  You can go out in Austin, Texas, or San Diego, California, and every person you talk to in trendy areas says put all gun owners in forced labor camps, ban water.
[00:26:25]  I mean, they're just a sick cult of sick freaks who are not connected to history or reality and have no idea what they're going to do to everybody.
[00:26:35]  Okay?
[00:26:35]  I mean, oh, man.
[00:26:38]  We'll be back.
[00:26:39]  Stay with us.
[00:26:39]  So that's.
[00:26:40]  We're going to head out to these tasty licks.
[00:26:42]  That's a reference to the Mark Dice Man on the Street prank videos.
[00:26:47]  Everyone wants to lock up the gun owner.
[00:26:50]  They want to outlaw water, Dan.
[00:26:52]  We need that.
[00:26:54]  It's insane to me.
[00:26:56]  That's what that's based on, first of all.
[00:26:58]  And second of all, I just really think that the escalation in his rhetoric that we've seen over the past couple of weeks of his show, where it's really very seriously getting to the point of like, we are fucked.
[00:27:09]  We got to like, they're going to destroy us imminently and all this stuff.
[00:27:14]  When Alex has moments where he's getting really emotional and saying, I don't know what to do, you are like derelict in your duty because you have riled your audience up into a frenzy and you're saying, look, I know I'm the captain, but I don't know how to steer this fucking thing.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:31]  Which leads the audience to think, like, I got some ideas.
[00:27:34]  In case you were wondering, it's fucking chaos.
[00:27:36]  The ship is going down and you're on top of it.
[00:27:38]  So, what are you going to do?
[00:27:39]  You're going to jump?
[00:27:40]  No, you're going to light the ship on fire with everybody you've ever met.
[00:27:43]  It's even worse than that because Alex is like, okay, look, look, the boat is completely fucked.
[00:27:47]  It's going down.
[00:27:48]  I am a boat expert.
[00:27:49]  I know everything about boats, and I got to tell you, I don't know what to do.
[00:27:52]  I don't know what's going on.
[00:27:53]  Yeah.
[00:27:54]  So the audience has.
[00:27:55]  We're going to need a bigger boat, literally.
[00:27:56]  Right.
[00:27:57]  There's an expectation that the audience could have that's like, even the most brilliant mind against the globalists doesn't know what to do.
[00:28:04]  Maybe some of my ideas would be good.
[00:28:06]  It frees them up to not really take Alex's advice along the lines of this is an info war.
[00:28:14]  This is non-violent.
[00:28:15]  When you have him admit, like, I don't know what to do, it kind of opens up the idea of like, ah, trust your own instincts.
[00:28:21]  Do whatever you're fucking doing.
[00:28:23]  And that's really dangerous.

=== Satan-Y Die Young References (03:37) ===

[00:28:24]  You need a steady hand if you're going to act like Alex is acting.
[00:28:28]  You can't be like, I don't know.
[00:28:29]  Ah, fuck it.
[00:28:30]  I do like finding out more and more of his unique theology in that, like, my mom is very innocent, even though she's intelligent.
[00:28:40]  Where you're like, you're taking the whole fruit of the knowledge of good and evil tree a little too literally.
[00:28:45]  I think he means.
[00:28:45]  Knowing something doesn't necessarily mean that you lose innocence.
[00:28:49]  That's an interesting possibility.
[00:28:50]  I read it more along the lines of he just means like innocence as naivete or sort of blissful ignorance of the right.
[00:28:59]  Yeah.
[00:29:00]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:29:01]  That's pretty similar.
[00:29:02]  So in this next clip.
[00:29:03]  Only the dumb can be innocent.
[00:29:05]  In this next clip, you know, the world hasn't changed yet.
[00:29:09]  So Alex is still in a place where he can make petty complaints about pop culture.
[00:29:15]  Like it.
[00:29:16]  So here's some of that.
[00:29:18]  I don't really pay attention to pop culture, but I've been forced to.
[00:29:22]  And the stuff targeting tweeny and preteen girls.
[00:29:26]  Eight, nine, ten, eleven-year-olds that I hear booming out of cars and that I see children listening to on their on their iPads and iPods.
[00:29:36]  All of it is sexualizing them and hardcore devil worship.
[00:29:43]  Kill your own dad.
[00:29:45]  Kill your own dad.
[00:29:45]  I don't want to be talking about Lady Gaga, but Kesha, GZ, all of it.
[00:29:51]  And again, the guys were showing me this weekend some of the Kesha videos where they're teaching young girls how to commit suicide and how beautiful it is to be married to the devil.
[00:30:03]  Shut up, old man.
[00:30:06]  You leave Kesha alone.
[00:30:08]  What are we doing?
[00:30:09]  What are we doing?
[00:30:10]  I was like, I remember there being some kind of Satan-y things in the Die Young video.
[00:30:17]  So I went back and I watched it.
[00:30:18]  And yeah, there's some devil stuff in there.
[00:30:20]  Cool.
[00:30:21]  Cool.
[00:30:22]  Yeah, but there's not teaching people how to kill themselves.
[00:30:24]  Then I started watching some more Kesha videos.
[00:30:26]  I'm like, hey, Alex, why don't you talk about your love is my drug?
[00:30:29]  Why don't you talk about some of these real uplifting, fun, great pop songs that you put out?
[00:30:34]  Be that as it may.
[00:30:35]  On a recent episode, we heard Alex talking about how he stayed up late at night because that's when they played the hardcore rock and roll.
[00:30:43]  Yeah, I was going to say that.
[00:30:44]  Those people weren't doing devil imagery.
[00:30:46]  Seriously.
[00:30:47]  The last clip.
[00:30:48]  The last clip we went to break with Led Zeppelin, goddammit.
[00:30:52]  Yeah.
[00:30:53]  Famous!
[00:30:55]  Famously!
[00:30:56]  Yeah, you can't, you can't.
[00:30:58]  It's so fucking sad.
[00:30:58]  You can't have it both ways without just being like, I hate the kids.
[00:31:02]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:31:02]  Just say that.
[00:31:03]  Just say that.
[00:31:04]  Grumpy old ass.
[00:31:05]  Kids, I don't understand children's music these days.
[00:31:08]  Yeah.
[00:31:09]  That's all you're saying.
[00:31:10]  Yep.
[00:31:11]  Who gives a fuck?
[00:31:12]  I'm old, I'm old, is all I heard.
[00:31:15]  Yep.
[00:31:16]  So in this next clip, Alex is continuing his obsession with Mark Dice's Man on the Street reports.
[00:31:22]  And one of the things that I think is really interestingly revealed in this clip is he's talking about the videos that Mark's putting out, but then he starts discussing plans of a video of a man on the street thing he wants to do.
[00:31:34]  And I think he's going about it wrong.
[00:31:37]  Because I talked to Mark Dice.
[00:31:38]  I mean, he went out and talked to people, and that's what he ran into.
[00:31:42]  The video's up on DrudgeReport.com on the left-hand side underneath the California flag of the bear in distress.

=== Doughboy's Beep Beep Bombing (15:53) ===

[00:31:49]  And you watch it, and every person, except for two young women who were obviously sisters, they say, I don't want to turn my guns in.
[00:31:56]  I own guns.
[00:31:57]  Everyone else, he said, you know, we're going to, we're going to play it in a moment.
[00:32:03]  We're going to, you know, go and arrest the evil white Tea Party people and take their guns.
[00:32:08]  And by the way, I'm going to send my reporters out to go one step further and say, let's, you know what?
[00:32:14]  These people haven't paid their fair share.
[00:32:16]  Let's have 100% taxes on them and put them in forced labor camps.
[00:32:20]  And I guarantee you I will find people at the University of Texas ready to put you in a forced labor camp.
[00:32:27]  He guarantees it because he's going to edit it.
[00:32:29]  Yeah.
[00:32:31]  Like he's like, all right, here's the piece of propaganda I'm going to put together.
[00:32:36]  I'm going to send someone out on the street and I bet I can find somebody.
[00:32:39]  I bet you can too.
[00:32:40]  That is fun.
[00:32:41]  That is fun to be like, I guarantee that I can go out on that street right now and find a car.
[00:32:48]  Yeah.
[00:32:48]  Okay.
[00:32:49]  I guarantee that I can craft a narrative that I will present to you and show as universal agreement that we should be put in camps.
[00:32:58]  Dude, that is not how this works.
[00:33:01]  You can't allow yourself to pretend that that's reporting or means anything.
[00:33:10]  I think that that clip is trivial in many ways, but I think it's important because what we're about to witness with his coverage of the bombing, that clip is him very clearly saying, Mark Dice did such a great job.
[00:33:22]  He created amazing perception here with this video.
[00:33:25]  I'm going to go out and create my own perception as well.
[00:33:28]  When you see the way that he crafts a narrative out of this bombing, you see, before the bombing even happened, he was talking about doing a very similar thing around another topic.
[00:33:39]  It's an M.O.
[00:33:41]  So, Alex, another thing, another little bee-in-his bonnet is he's complaining about how all the normalization in the media and the TV.
[00:33:52]  Sure.
[00:33:53]  You know, there's all the complaints about the TV shows like We Hate Paul Revere that never came out.
[00:33:58]  Oh, that one.
[00:33:59]  The making patriots look bad on TV.
[00:34:02]  Not hard to do.
[00:34:03]  And now it's even extended to making the TSA look good in commercials.
[00:34:09]  It's during the break out there on the television.
[00:34:11]  You know, with these new DVRs, the last few years, you can just rewind what was live.
[00:34:16]  You've probably already seen it.
[00:34:17]  They now have Pillsbury Doughboy ads where the TSA gropes the Pillsbury Doughboy, and it is a bunch of fun to have this basically done to him.
[00:34:30]  That's the point of the Pillsbury Doughboy.
[00:34:32]  Everybody gropes the Doughboy.
[00:34:35]  Do you know what his catchphrase is?
[00:34:37]  It's not words.
[00:34:37]  It's him giggling because somebody bloked him.
[00:34:40]  That's his catchphrase.
[00:34:42]  This is the most ridiculous thing possible.
[00:34:45]  What is going on?
[00:34:47]  It wasn't even a Pillsbury commercial.
[00:34:48]  It's a Geico commercial.
[00:34:50]  Jesus Christ.
[00:34:51]  Because, you know, they had that whole campaign where they used other people as mascots.
[00:34:54]  Absolutely.
[00:34:55]  And so, yeah, Alex is.
[00:34:57]  I love it.
[00:34:59]  I love how weak some of this shit is.
[00:35:00]  The Pillsbury Doughboy enjoys the TSA groping him.
[00:35:03]  Jesus.
[00:35:04]  If anything, you might be able to interpret that as kind of a scathing pointing the finger at the TSA that they do grope people.
[00:35:11]  Exactly.
[00:35:11]  The entire point is.
[00:35:12]  It's almost like there's a parody or like the satire to it that Alexander.
[00:35:17]  No, because I think I remember that one where it is that Geico of like, what's better than this?
[00:35:24]  The Pillboy or Doughboy going through TSA and they're poking him.
[00:35:28]  And it's like, well, the implication is that the TSA always gropes people.
[00:35:32]  That is what they are known for.
[00:35:33]  Yeah, the underlying joke of it is actually a little bit subversive.
[00:35:36]  Exactly.
[00:35:37]  But Alex takes it the other way.
[00:35:39]  Maybe the issue isn't the doughboy.
[00:35:41]  Yeah.
[00:35:42]  So I thought this next clip was very interesting and probably important for our Sandy Hook purposes.
[00:35:48]  And that is that, you know, within an hour before the Boston bombing happens, Alex expresses his position on Sandy Hook vis-à-vis actors.
[00:35:58]  And I think this is where he stands at this point.
[00:36:01]  See, I don't think that kids didn't really die at New Haven.
[00:36:05]  They like killing real kids.
[00:36:07]  They clearly have some actors there to back up the story as well.
[00:36:09]  It's a composite.
[00:36:10]  Part of it's real, part of it isn't.
[00:36:12]  That's very obvious.
[00:36:13]  And that's what other declassified programs look like.
[00:36:16]  They're going to kill real kids.
[00:36:17]  They're going to kill real people.
[00:36:19]  So what I think is really interesting about this is Alex keeps saying New Haven instead of Newtown.
[00:36:24]  This is at least the second or third time I've heard him make that mistake, which indicates kind of disinterest.
[00:36:30]  Second, I don't give a fuck if he thinks some real kids died, if he thinks that some people there were actors, because he could believe that, or he could make all of the accusations that he makes, like Robbie Parker is an actor.
[00:36:44]  Right.
[00:36:45]  You know, all the other parents are actors that are suing him or whatever, and still think some kids died.
[00:36:52]  In essence, what he's doing is picking and choosing who he wants to accuse.
[00:36:57]  And accusing one person whose child died in that shooting of being an actor is equivalent to saying everyone was.
[00:37:06]  To me, at least.
[00:37:07]  At least from a moral standpoint, it's all the same game.
[00:37:11]  And he's passed the line.
[00:37:13]  Even if he's saying some kids died there, he has crossed the line into actor territory.
[00:37:18]  He's being unspecific about it, but he's saying some people are actors there.
[00:37:22]  He's argued that people like Robbie Parker are acting like actors.
[00:37:26]  The conclusion that you have to make is that he thinks at least some people are lying about their family.
[00:37:32]  Yeah.
[00:37:32]  And that's fucked up.
[00:37:33]  I mean, for his purposes, or I suppose for ours, if you want to make that argument as though it's a real thing, then you have to go line by line, name by name.
[00:37:44]  Who's an actor?
[00:37:44]  Who's real?
[00:37:45]  You kind of have a responsibility.
[00:37:46]  Otherwise, everybody is an actor because you get to choose in the moment.
[00:37:52]  You're not going to say, oh, well, Robbie Parker is the one who's an actor.
[00:37:56]  And then you look and you look at the next one and you're like, their real kid died.
[00:37:59]  What you're doing is a half-assed way of saying everybody was an actor.
[00:38:03]  Yeah, and giving your audience permission to decide for themselves who was really messy.
[00:38:09]  Tell me who really died.
[00:38:10]  Give me a name.
[00:38:11]  It's really messy.
[00:38:12]  Yeah, otherwise you're just saying everybody's actors, but you don't want to commit to it.
[00:38:15]  Yeah.
[00:38:15]  It's bullshit.
[00:38:16]  So Alex's rhetoric and narratives have really ramped up over the preceding few weeks, as I brought up a couple of times.
[00:38:23]  And this leads Alex to really get mad about how Glenn Beck is a dick.
[00:38:30]  And he starts screaming about how his job isn't fun because all this stuff is real.
[00:38:35]  All this stuff is real.
[00:38:36]  He is toe to toe with these fucking globalists.
[00:38:39]  Sure.
[00:38:40]  And so he just starts screaming about that.
[00:38:42]  And he says something that he will later consider a remarkable prediction.
[00:38:47]  You think it's fun doing this, folks?
[00:38:49]  You think it's fun?
[00:38:50]  All the egomaniacs and narcissists out there that think they're patriots, who all they do is infight and stuff all day?
[00:38:56]  This is a life and death situation.
[00:38:59]  This isn't a game.
[00:39:01]  And they're going to fire first by blowing stuff up and saying we did it.
[00:39:04]  That's why we've got to expose who really does the font fast and furious.
[00:39:08]  And of course they did Aurora.
[00:39:09]  And of course they're up to their eyeballs.
[00:39:11]  I mean, shooters in the same outfit from nearby hostage team, SWAT teams from a nearby federal special unit, local police who were federal special event police caught in the woods.
[00:39:23]  It wasn't just one.
[00:39:24]  It wasn't just two.
[00:39:25]  There were three of them seen.
[00:39:26]  One of them arrested.
[00:39:27]  And then they tried to cover it up and say it didn't exist.
[00:39:30]  Even though it was confirmed in the police reports, and we have chopper video.
[00:39:35]  Okay?
[00:39:35]  I mean, we're in trouble, folks.
[00:39:37]  They grease little kids boom right in the head to get our guns.
[00:39:41]  Isn't it obvious?
[00:39:42]  I'm sorry, sir.
[00:39:43]  Go ahead.
[00:39:44]  So there's a caller on hold for that.
[00:39:46]  Sure, sure.
[00:39:47]  So, yeah, all that stuff was the Sandy Hook conspiracy that he's screaming about there at the end.
[00:39:51]  And so his saying that they're going to blow stuff up and blame us on the day that there is a bombing, he will deem that to be like, I said it earlier in the show.
[00:40:02]  But as people who listen to his show regularly, you know that he's all of the time.
[00:40:08]  Well, this time period specifically, he has been talking about nuking Chicago.
[00:40:12]  But more to the point, no matter when you look at Alex's show, he's going to say that there is about to be something.
[00:40:19]  It's a very standard feature of his broadcast style.
[00:40:22]  And so I don't ascribe too much meaning to that.
[00:40:25]  No, but it does support my thesis that nobody is going to be happy about this tragedy, except Alex is going to be very happy that he was right.
[00:40:36]  He is going to be gleeful that people died.
[00:40:39]  I'm not sure gleeful is the right way to put it, but you'll see shades of not experiencing it like a human.
[00:40:46]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:46]  Let's say.
[00:40:47]  So the bombing happens while Richard Belzer is a guest on the show from Law and Order Special Victims Unit.
[00:40:53]  I know that shouldn't make sense.
[00:40:54]  John Muncher.
[00:40:55]  But that makes sense to me.
[00:40:56]  Yeah.
[00:40:57]  So at this point in the episode, Alex introduces Richard Belzer.
[00:41:02]  And as soon as I heard his introduction, I knew like, well, it's kind of like when you put your seatbelt on on a plane.
[00:41:08]  It's like, well, we're flying.
[00:41:10]  Here we go.
[00:41:11]  And so here we go.
[00:41:12]  Well, he's been in scores of different TV shows and movies.
[00:41:16]  Probably best known for Law and Order Special Victims Unit, Richard Belzer.
[00:41:20]  Oh, you think?
[00:41:21]  And I like getting him on because he's a funny guy.
[00:41:23]  Plus, you know, who else shows up to the show with Christopher Walking before?
[00:41:28]  It's like, here's Christopher Walking.
[00:41:29]  And then he sits down right next to him off the chart.
[00:41:32]  But Walking just wanted to talk about recipes, chicken recipes.
[00:41:35]  That is true.
[00:41:36]  You listen to that.
[00:41:37]  It was great.
[00:41:37]  It was surreal.
[00:41:38]  It was fun.
[00:41:38]  Yeah, Christopher Walken had no time for Alex's bullshit.
[00:41:41]  No.
[00:41:42]  Completely uninteresting.
[00:41:44]  Yeah.
[00:41:44]  So Richard Belzer is on to promote a book that he's written about the JFK assassination.
[00:41:50]  And of course he is.
[00:41:53]  Why?
[00:41:54]  When I told you earlier in the episode I lost respect for somebody.
[00:41:58]  Is it the Bells?
[00:41:59]  It's the Bells.
[00:42:00]  It's the Bells.
[00:42:00]  Because I'm a guy who, in a past relationship of mine, one of the things that we did a lot was watch tons of Law and Order Special Victims Unit real high.
[00:42:08]  Great to do.
[00:42:09]  And John Munch and Odafin Tutuola are the best tag team of detectives this world's ever seen.
[00:42:14]  Probably.
[00:42:15]  Iced T and the Bells.
[00:42:16]  Are you kidding me?
[00:42:17]  Amazing.
[00:42:18]  The best.
[00:42:18]  Amazing.
[00:42:19]  I did read some of his books when I was younger, too.
[00:42:23]  I don't know.
[00:42:24]  I don't remember them being good.
[00:42:26]  But I had a real fondness for him.
[00:42:27]  And I like the idea that his character, John Munch, travels between Homicide, The Simpsons, and the X-Files.
[00:42:34]  He connects all of these shows into a.
[00:42:36]  I like that.
[00:42:36]  And I always had a positive association towards Richard Belzer.
[00:42:39]  It's like a crack.com article come to life.
[00:42:42]  Kind of.
[00:42:43]  Yeah.
[00:42:43]  Top six ways that the universes between these things are connected.
[00:42:48]  And it's all John Munch.
[00:42:49]  But you like him.
[00:42:50]  He's a likable guy.
[00:42:51]  And then you listen to him talk to Alex and you realize, uh-oh.
[00:42:56]  And good to have you back on with us, Richard.
[00:42:59]  Alex, it's great.
[00:43:00]  I miss you.
[00:43:01]  I haven't spoken to you in a long time.
[00:43:04]  I must say that your programming, your documentaries, your news shows, those interviews have helped me in my research, and I greatly appreciate it.
[00:43:16]  And I want you to always take care of yourself and stay safe, my friend, because we're, as you say, we're trading in some dangerous waters now.
[00:43:24]  I heard that, and I was like, uh-oh, Richard Belzer might be stupid.
[00:43:28]  I was like, oh, he's using Alex's resources for his research.
[00:43:32]  Yeah.
[00:43:32]  Like, oh, no.
[00:43:33]  Into the JFK thing.
[00:43:35]  Oh, no.
[00:43:36]  Oh, no.
[00:43:36]  InfoWars is a source to him.
[00:43:39]  This is bad news.
[00:43:41]  That is interesting.
[00:43:42]  If Bells had never gotten the munch job, do you think he would be the conservative comedian prototype?
[00:43:50]  Like Dennis Miller?
[00:43:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:52]  I don't know.
[00:43:53]  Because I still don't think he's all that conservative.
[00:43:55]  I mean, he's pretty conservative, but he's not, like, he doesn't, I don't know.
[00:43:58]  He's not politically right.
[00:43:59]  He's a conspiracy theorist.
[00:44:01]  Yes.
[00:44:01]  Yes.
[00:44:02]  I think that he's nuts.
[00:44:04]  Right, right.
[00:44:04]  But I imagine just like all those other conservative guys, he'd say one thing, and then people would be like, ah, you're a bad guy.
[00:44:11]  And he'd be like, lean into it.
[00:44:12]  It's really hard to predict.
[00:44:14]  You're triggering.
[00:44:15]  It's really hard to predict, especially given the way conservatism has changed since those times.
[00:44:20]  Yeah.
[00:44:22]  And who knows if his comedy career would have continued.
[00:44:24]  Oh, no.
[00:44:27]  Have you seen some of the Bells' work?
[00:44:28]  I've seen some stuff that I've seen.
[00:44:30]  Timeless.
[00:44:30]  I didn't think some of it was terrible, but I honestly don't have any memory of it.
[00:44:34]  No, no.
[00:44:35]  One way or another.
[00:44:37]  But I think that he just has a low standard of evidence for things, which is a problem when you're writing a book about JFK's assassination.
[00:44:45]  I don't know.
[00:44:45]  And you say things like this.
[00:44:47]  And I think, Alex, you are in this small brigade.
[00:44:51]  I hope it's getting bigger.
[00:44:53]  I know you don't make anything up.
[00:44:54]  It's the truth.
[00:44:56]  That's why I don't write fiction anymore.
[00:44:58]  Alex doesn't make things up.
[00:45:00]  Bells, come on.
[00:45:02]  That's pretty crazy.
[00:45:03]  Oh, God.
[00:45:04]  So Richard Belzer's on here.
[00:45:06]  He's lauding Alex with these, you're one of the truth tellers.
[00:45:10]  I use your stuff for reasons.
[00:45:11]  One of the greats.
[00:45:12]  And it doesn't feel the same way as the people who just kiss his ass.
[00:45:15]  It kind of feels like he means it.
[00:45:17]  I think he does.
[00:45:18]  Which is more troubling.
[00:45:20]  Or he's a really good actor.
[00:45:21]  Could be.
[00:45:22]  I mean, he's been an actor for 30 years at this point.
[00:45:24]  And he was acting opposite Ice-T, which takes talent.
[00:45:28]  One of the favorite John Mulani jokes.
[00:45:30]  Elevates the game.
[00:45:32]  John Munch has got to elevate his game too.
[00:45:34]  Right, of course.
[00:45:35]  Yeah.
[00:45:36]  One of my favorite Mulaney jokes is listening to people explain things to Ice-T Bit.
[00:45:42]  Oh, it's so funny.
[00:45:44]  I love Ice-T explaining things to anyone else on Law and Order.
[00:45:50]  So Richard Belzer was talking, like, you know, he has this whole career behind him of conspiracy thinking and aliens and what have you.
[00:45:58]  And, you know, once he started talking about the banks, that's when things got weird.
[00:46:04]  But I have an alternate explanation for everything that he's trying to cause panic about.
[00:46:10]  All right.
[00:46:10]  You're getting into the banks, and all of a sudden, beep, beep, beep, beep.
[00:46:15]  This station is not available.
[00:46:16]  Try again later.
[00:46:17]  Now, you know, people call me paranoid, but and then for the last few days, my computer, the cursor, is going to places by itself.
[00:46:29]  Oh, my God.
[00:46:30]  Oh, yeah, your computer's been hijacked.
[00:46:32]  Are we just having two old dudes talk right now?
[00:46:34]  We're just having two old dudes with the like.
[00:46:36]  Change the batteries in your mouse.
[00:46:39]  Kesha's doing all this mean stuff to my children.
[00:46:42]  And I don't know how computers work.
[00:46:44]  What are we doing?
[00:46:45]  Yeah, your cable went out one day, probably, or maybe the station had an outage and your mouse needs a new battery.
[00:46:51]  There was a thunderstorm.
[00:46:52]  There you go.
[00:46:53]  You did it.
[00:46:54]  Right.
[00:46:54]  No, it's the banks.
[00:46:55]  No, I'm paranoid.
[00:46:57]  It's the banks.
[00:46:58]  I started talking about the banks, and I was still on Law and Order Special Victims Unit for years.
[00:47:02]  Look, if you want to pull that shit down.
[00:47:05]  If you want to use something not working for you, old man, then just say, like, my abacus stopped working.
[00:47:10]  And now we're talking about the banks doing it because you can't break an abacus.
[00:47:13]  No, you can't.
[00:47:14]  You need magic.
[00:47:15]  So Belzer's writing this book about JFK.
[00:47:18]  Sure.
[00:47:19]  I want to know who he thinks did it.
[00:47:20]  I'm not sure if he says.
[00:47:22]  He probably does, but I'd probably read the books.
[00:47:24]  I probably didn't care.
[00:47:25]  You got to read the book.

=== Court Case Controversy (04:22) ===

[00:47:26]  So he's talking about that stuff, and like, I'm like, okay, he uses Alex as a source.
[00:47:30]  He thinks Alex doesn't make things up.
[00:47:32]  These are, generally speaking, really bad signs.
[00:47:35]  But I don't know what he thinks about JFK.
[00:47:37]  Like, maybe he has a different standard for that kind of stuff.
[00:47:41]  Yeah.
[00:47:42]  And there we go.
[00:47:43]  He said this while talking about E. Howard Hunt, and I was like, oh, no, Richard Belzer's stupid.
[00:47:49]  Spotlight Magazine wrote that Hunt was involved in the Kennedy murder.
[00:47:53]  He sued them.
[00:47:54]  They went to court.
[00:47:56]  The magazine won.
[00:47:58]  The jury believed that Hunt was involved in a conspiracy by the government to assassinate the president.
[00:48:04]  That's a jury trial.
[00:48:06]  That's very stupid.
[00:48:07]  That is very stupid.
[00:48:09]  So, first things first, the Spotlight is the publication with the strange editorial habit of Holocaust denial run by the Liberty Lobby.
[00:48:16]  It's the same place that Big Jim Tucker, Alex's chief Bilderberg source, worked at.
[00:48:20]  It's a trash publication.
[00:48:22]  It doesn't exist anymore.
[00:48:23]  As for this lawsuit, Richard Belzer is playing fast and loose with the details.
[00:48:28]  Spotlight had just published that E. Howard Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the JFK assassination.
[00:48:33]  And as Hunt said that he was in D.C. at the time, he decided to sue them for libel.
[00:48:38]  The question of his involvement in the assassination was a matter that wasn't germane to the case and in no way was decided by this case at all.
[00:48:47]  The first lawsuit over this, Hunt won, and he was awarded $650,000 in damage.
[00:48:52]  But that verdict was overturned due to the jury getting incomplete instructions on how to give their verdict.
[00:48:58]  In 1983, the case was retried, and in this instance, the Liberty Lobby was able to win.
[00:49:03]  But it's important to consider what winning this case means, or perhaps more importantly, what winning this case doesn't mean.
[00:49:11]  Being cleared of libel doesn't mean that the thing that you wrote is true, which is to say that this jury trial doesn't even establish in court that Hunt was in fact in Dallas.
[00:49:21]  All that's necessary for this to be deemed not libel is that Spotlight had to have reason to believe this was true at the time of publication, which is what the jury decided was the case.
[00:49:32]  A lot of this was probably based on the Liberty Lobby building up a good case that doesn't prove that Hunt was in Dallas, but that they weren't just making it up.
[00:49:40]  That's not the hardest thing to show in court, sometimes even if you're just making stuff up, which is why it's important for these libel laws to be pretty lenient towards the media.
[00:49:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:49:51]  Because otherwise, you could nail them for things that were good faith errors that got made.
[00:49:57]  Right.
[00:49:57]  The fact that Belzer doesn't understand this is a massive red flag, and it makes me care very little about any other information that he's putting forth.
[00:50:05]  All other information that puts Hunt in Dallas that day either traces back to Soviet propaganda campaigns or the alleged deathbed confession Hunt made to two of his sons.
[00:50:15]  Although it's important to point out that Hunt's widow and their other children say this was a hoax and that the sons coached Hunt to say what they wanted so they could profit off of it.
[00:50:23]  Yeah.
[00:50:24]  Which is a great idea on their part.
[00:50:26]  Well, what is he going to be pissed?
[00:50:29]  I think it's evil, probably, but I don't know.
[00:50:32]  I don't care to get too mixed up into it because we can't have today turn into a, well, here's what happened with JFK.
[00:50:38]  Oh, no, no, don't care.
[00:50:39]  Other issues.
[00:50:40]  I'm just a big fan of people finding the scam where it's coming from.
[00:50:44]  And all you're hurting is the reputation of your dad who's dead, and everybody already thought he probably killed JFK anyway.
[00:50:50]  Right.
[00:50:51]  So make a buck off of it.
[00:50:52]  I like him.
[00:50:53]  So all this is to say that Richard Belzer thinks that that court case determined that E. Howard Hunt was involved in the assassination, which means to me that he doesn't understand what he's talking about.
[00:51:05]  And he wrote a book about this.
[00:51:08]  That's bad.
[00:51:09]  I do like the idea that in civil court, they proved that he killed JFK.
[00:51:15]  Of course.
[00:51:15]  But it's double jeopardy.
[00:51:17]  We can't get him on criminals trying to try.
[00:51:19]  That's bullshit.
[00:51:20]  We already sued him.
[00:51:21]  All of this starts to make sense once Belzer starts talking about the things that inspired him down the road in life that he's on.
[00:51:29]  Oh, no.
[00:51:30]  You know, you and I both were inspired by this book.
[00:51:33]  They're called a conspiracy.

=== First Instincts in Crisis Reporting (15:51) ===

[00:51:34]  Yeah, I read that.
[00:51:36]  Look at my copy.
[00:51:37]  It cost a dollar.
[00:51:38]  That's how old I am.
[00:51:40]  No, that really blew my.
[00:51:42]  Hey, bro, let's take a couple segments of call straight ahead.
[00:51:44]  They're all over the map, but I promise I'm going to get to Brendan and Richard and Nick and David.
[00:51:49]  So he's inspired by Nunder Call it Conspiracy.
[00:51:54]  Gary Allen's nonsensical anti-communist screed that is full of bullshit.
[00:51:59]  I like to imagine he and David Simon having arguments over Nunda Call a conspiracy on homicide.
[00:52:05]  That would be amazing.
[00:52:06]  You're fucking stupid, Belz.
[00:52:08]  All right.
[00:52:09]  Okay.
[00:52:09]  You're just so good.
[00:52:12]  You're just munch.
[00:52:13]  You threw it through.
[00:52:14]  You're munch, man.
[00:52:16]  Landsman won't play him for real, so I got to stick with you.
[00:52:19]  Damn it.
[00:52:22]  Yeah, I find that to be a pretty problematic inspiration source for them to share.
[00:52:28]  I heard that.
[00:52:29]  I was like, get the fuck out of here.
[00:52:31]  So the bombing, like I said, it happens at 2.49, and Alex is into overdrive because Belzer's there, and they're having a great time.
[00:52:39]  So it's like, let's do a fourth hour.
[00:52:41]  Sure.
[00:52:42]  So they plan to do like half an hour or so of it.
[00:52:44]  But when the bombing happens and Alex catches wind of it, they continue it for the full hour.
[00:52:50]  He doesn't know about it for about 20-something minutes or so.
[00:52:54]  He doesn't get the news immediately.
[00:52:57]  But then at about 3.08-ish, somewhere in that range, he comes on air, and this is his immediate reaction.
[00:53:05]  Oh, God, no.
[00:53:06]  Well, it's terrible news, but I hope it's a gas mean or something not terror-related.
[00:53:12]  Explosion at the Boston Marathon.
[00:53:15]  He'll punch up some feeds of this.
[00:53:17]  We're in overdrive.
[00:53:18]  We're live.
[00:53:19]  It's 208 Central.
[00:53:21]  And two explosions at Boston Marathon.
[00:53:24]  When I said 3.08, I meant Eastern Time.
[00:53:26]  Excuse me.
[00:53:27]  Boston Time.
[00:53:27]  Just to be clear.
[00:53:28]  Yeah.
[00:53:29]  People hurt in large explosions.
[00:53:31]  Oh, man.
[00:53:33]  Oh, my gosh.
[00:53:34]  And that'll blame it on Iran, blame it on a Patriot group.
[00:53:39]  Or is it going to be a veteran or something?
[00:53:41]  I mean, this is just so horrible.
[00:53:43]  His first instinct, not even knowing any information about it, thinking that, eh, maybe it's a gas leak explosion or something like that, because he doesn't have all the information.
[00:53:52]  He doesn't know anything.
[00:53:54]  His first instinct is to guess who they'll blame, and the people that he thinks they're going to blame are Iran, the Patriots, or a veteran.
[00:54:03]  Two of those are based on his big narratives.
[00:54:07]  They're going to bomb something and blame it on us.
[00:54:10]  This explosion happens.
[00:54:12]  His first instinct is, I wonder if they'll blame it on us.
[00:54:15]  That's not good.
[00:54:16]  That's, you know, when I think of a massive tragedy like that, my first thought is sympathy for the Patriots who might get blamed for it.
[00:54:27]  Right.
[00:54:27]  That's my first thought.
[00:54:28]  I don't think that's a callous.
[00:54:29]  I don't think, oh, this is a tragedy, and I hope the victims are okay.
[00:54:33]  My first thought is the real victims are white people.
[00:54:36]  That's the truth.
[00:54:38]  They're going to demonize us.
[00:54:39]  They're going to demonize us white people with guns because, you know, anyways, people probably died.
[00:54:44]  I don't know.
[00:54:45]  It's probably a false flag.
[00:54:46]  Whatever.
[00:54:46]  Don't know anything about what's happening.
[00:54:49]  They haven't watched the news.
[00:54:50]  They haven't gotten anything posted on Drudge Report, so they don't have any access to news because they can't get it from anywhere else.
[00:54:57]  And so him and Belzer start talking about the dynamics that are going on.
[00:55:02]  Thanks, Bells.
[00:55:03]  And one thing that is really important to point out is that it very quickly just becomes assumed that veterans and right-wingers are going to be blamed for this.
[00:55:14]  You mentioned before about what we have to keep our eye on in this marathon story is the very first official reaction.
[00:55:22]  Yeah, guys, save these recordings.
[00:55:23]  Save all the recordings.
[00:55:24]  Record everywhere.
[00:55:25]  What?
[00:55:26]  I'm telling the crew, record everywhere.
[00:55:28]  Yeah.
[00:55:29]  And yeah, how are they going to paint this?
[00:55:33]  I'm working with veterans now.
[00:55:36]  I convinced the show I'm on, Law and Order, Special Victims Unit, to do an episode about a vet who had PTSD and they tried to disparage him on the stand because he was having flashbacks and stuff.
[00:55:54]  But he gathered himself and helped us convict somebody.
[00:55:57]  So because I wanted to make the vet the hero.
[00:56:00]  That's a great story, and I'm happy for him.
[00:56:03]  But the only reason to pull this story out and tell it now is to reinforce the idea that everyone wants to make veterans look bad, which is in service of Alex's narratives that he's been building up for weeks and months of they're going to blame Patriots and veterans.
[00:56:17]  Right.
[00:56:17]  Blah, blah, blah.
[00:56:18]  Which is not good because they don't know that.
[00:56:20]  They don't have any information that anyone is pointing the finger at anybody.
[00:56:24]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:56:25]  So they are constructing this.
[00:56:29]  That's important to point out.
[00:56:30]  And it's important to point out how active Richard Belzer is because he is not a bystander.
[00:56:36]  No, here's what I think right now listening to Bells.
[00:56:40]  I think he is incredibly stupid.
[00:56:44]  Which made me think of the line that Buddy Glass has from Franny and Zoe, written by Salinger.
[00:56:51]  It was one of his books.
[00:56:52]  Just that, like, we overburdened you with an education.
[00:56:56]  A good actor travels light.
[00:56:57]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:56:58]  Interesting.
[00:56:58]  A good actor doesn't have much going on in the education front.
[00:57:01]  But I think he's probably pretty smart, but just dumb.
[00:57:05]  Yeah.
[00:57:05]  You know, like, it's a mess.
[00:57:08]  It's not how well you function.
[00:57:09]  It's that there's not much going on in the storage space.
[00:57:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:57:14]  I remember that I listened to this a long time ago, this episode, and I thought it was surreal that Belzer was on when this happened.
[00:57:21]  Yeah.
[00:57:21]  And for the longest time, I've just had this idea in my mind that he's just riding sidecar while Alex does this fucked up stuff.
[00:57:28]  But he is, like I said, an active participant.
[00:57:32]  He is helping Alex thread this needle.
[00:57:34]  Right.
[00:57:34]  But, you know, I mean, he's a team player.
[00:57:36]  He's an actor.
[00:57:37]  Right.
[00:57:37]  He's in this scene.
[00:57:38]  He's not really.
[00:57:38]  He's groundlings.
[00:57:39]  He's not really.
[00:57:40]  Yeah.
[00:57:40]  I don't know.
[00:57:42]  Probably.
[00:57:43]  So Alex is still kind of hoping that it's an accident in the immediate just learning about this stage.
[00:57:52]  And Belzer pushes back on that.
[00:57:55]  And it goes, multiple people injured, at least a dozen injured after explosion.
[00:58:00]  Man, I hope this isn't a false flag or a real terror attack, Richard.
[00:58:04]  No, I hope not.
[00:58:06]  But, you know, they're going to use it, even if it's innocent, they will use it because everyone's focused on it now.
[00:58:16]  And people can be controlled when they're all on the same emotion at the same time.
[00:58:23]  So now it doesn't even matter who they blame.
[00:58:25]  Now, obviously, they're going to blame the Patriots and the veterans, but even if they blame Al-Qaeda or Iran, it doesn't matter.
[00:58:31]  That's really still an attack on the veterans and the Patriots.
[00:58:35]  This is the narrative that they're constructing.
[00:58:37]  You can see it very clearly.
[00:58:39]  How much of it is like knowing what they plan to do in the next few days and how much of it is just like, this is what we do.
[00:58:48]  I can't tell you, but it's what they're doing for sure.
[00:58:51]  Yeah, I do wonder what the Bells would be doing if he was at home by himself watching this on TV.
[00:58:58]  Because he wouldn't be creating a narrative of how that's even more.
[00:59:00]  Maybe it'd be in his head, though.
[00:59:01]  It could be.
[00:59:02]  Absolutely.
[00:59:03]  But there's also like that.
[00:59:05]  I imagine reacting to something in real time with the toxic presence of Alex Jones already influencing you.
[00:59:11]  Andy's someone who you kind of admire.
[00:59:13]  Exactly.
[00:59:14]  So, your first instinct is going to be, or I imagine it's going to be like, I'm going to follow the leader on this.
[00:59:20]  And the leader is saying, this is a false flag.
[00:59:22]  And so, you're like, yeah, it's a false flag.
[00:59:24]  Let's talk this out.
[00:59:26]  No, no, no.
[00:59:26]  I mean, he will within minutes.
[00:59:28]  Right, right.
[00:59:29]  But when that clip happens, he's not.
[00:59:31]  He's saying, I still.
[00:59:32]  And how much of that is disingenuous is unclear, but he's saying, I hope this was an accident.
[00:59:36]  Right.
[00:59:37]  Because he doesn't have the information.
[00:59:38]  Of course not.
[00:59:39]  He doesn't have any information.
[00:59:40]  He's not really interested in it either.
[00:59:42]  Well, I think someone forced him because they go to CNN and they start listening to it, and Alex takes offense at something that they report.
[00:59:51]  Reality?
[00:59:52]  Let's just fade up the communist news channel more like the corporate news channel.
[00:59:57]  Let's fade this up.
[00:59:58]  There's a whole process underway right now, but the reality of the situation is it is almost impossible to protect an event, especially one that is over a protracted space, as a marathon is.
[01:00:12]  And, you know, I hate to say it, but these are the times that we live in.
[01:00:16]  Richard, that's what they're saying on CNN.
[01:00:19]  So they're already basically saying it's a terror attack.
[01:00:21]  Oh, my goodness.
[01:00:23]  We're helpless, is what he's saying.
[01:00:24]  That's so they can control us more.
[01:00:26]  So Alex takes sort of umbrage at the idea that they're saying that this was an attack already.
[01:00:31]  And that's because they have information that he doesn't have because he hasn't kept up with the story as it's evolved over the half hour that information is coming in.
[01:00:41]  He's been busy talking to the bells.
[01:00:42]  Right.
[01:00:43]  None dare call it conspiracy.
[01:00:44]  It's a bunch of bullshit.
[01:00:46]  And 45 seconds later, he goes back to CNN, and it's sort of clear why they're reporting it as an attack.
[01:00:54]  We just saw video, by the way, for radio listeners.
[01:00:58]  CNN is showing cell phone footage already uploaded, showing what looks like a pretty good-sized explosion and smoke.
[01:01:04]  And so then they're saying at least a dozen, oh, this looks really bad.
[01:01:06]  Looks like somebody blew up bleachers.
[01:01:08]  Oh, no.
[01:01:10]  This is information that CNN already had that Alex wasn't aware of.
[01:01:14]  So when he went to them in the first place and he's like, oh, they're already calling it an attack, as if they didn't have some reason to be looking at the situation that way, that's only based on his own ignorance.
[01:01:25]  Within a minute, he's like, oh, that's why.
[01:01:28]  He needs to calm down.
[01:01:29]  That's really the bottom line.
[01:01:32]  When you look at a lot of this stuff, when there's crisis reporting on Alex's show, he needs to.
[01:01:37]  You do not want to deal with crisis reporting on Alex.
[01:01:40]  You need to check out Alex.
[01:01:42]  You're not doing a good job.
[01:01:43]  Yeah, I mean, he's uniquely in a position to fuck up crisis reporting in a way that, you know, when you're so unfiltered as a job, I guess, like, his entire job is to react with certainty that that level of crisis reporting then is almost impossible for him because he can't wait.
[01:02:09]  He can't wait for a second.
[01:02:10]  He cannot say, like, oh, we're going to wait until more information's out.
[01:02:14]  He has to react.
[01:02:15]  He has to come back with his take.
[01:02:16]  It's an invalidation of the brand to wait for information.
[01:02:20]  Yeah, because you're supposed to know tomorrow's news today, man.
[01:02:22]  Right.
[01:02:22]  And you've been studying the globalists for 20 years and know their game plan.
[01:02:26]  Exactly.
[01:02:26]  So you need to have the answers.
[01:02:29]  And that's a real problem.
[01:02:30]  It's an essential problem.
[01:02:32]  So what they do for most of the rest of the show on the 15th here is sort of try and guess stuff.
[01:02:42]  Great, great.
[01:02:42]  That's good news.
[01:02:43]  Yeah.
[01:02:44]  And so they're kind of guessing around who did it in this next clip.
[01:02:49]  Who's the main motive here?
[01:02:52]  Well, who stands to gain?
[01:02:53]  When the government and the shadow government has been gearing up to roll out and be our savior, and they stand to gain from it, it's obvious.
[01:03:02]  I mean, who's the number one suspect in this Richard Belzer as a journalist?
[01:03:06]  Richard Belzer?
[01:03:07]  As a crime writer in the past.
[01:03:10]  So whoever this suspect is, the government will appropriate it and create a narrative.
[01:03:17]  And 90% of it probably, I'm just guessing, will be a fabrication to shape our thought.
[01:03:24]  Guessing.
[01:03:24]  That's military and safety.
[01:03:27]  And they're licking their chops.
[01:03:29]  Even if this was a gas main, they still got to study how we reacted.
[01:03:35]  And that's what they're, you know, that's why even events that they don't do, they study.
[01:03:40]  Yeah, I mean, it could have been a truck running over a gas main.
[01:03:42]  I mean, all the time I see in the paper, gas main blows up, kills 30 people.
[01:03:47]  It's not even in the news.
[01:03:48]  It's like back of the paper, barely a blur.
[01:03:51]  But I guarantee you, five people die from this, all you'll hear is Pell Mel Pavlovian.
[01:03:56]  Be scared of the random man.
[01:03:58]  Be scared.
[01:03:59]  Only we can save you.
[01:04:00]  I mean, just the response shows how fake all this is.
[01:04:03]  Yeah, you know, I'm going to predict that the hook for them is going to be, these are the times we live in, you know, and everyone will just surrender and let them, you know.
[01:04:13]  How much do you want to bet if you tune into all five networks?
[01:04:15]  They're going to be saying, these are the times we live in.
[01:04:18]  So they've already heard this guy on CNN say that once, and they've decided that this is going to be the catchphrase.
[01:04:24]  I'm really proud of them for moving past grief so quickly.
[01:04:27]  So fast.
[01:04:28]  I'm really proud of them for just making it way past that stage of, yeah, good work, guys.
[01:04:33]  I mean, Alex did say this looks bad.
[01:04:35]  Yeah, that was good.
[01:04:36]  Yeah, that's a good eulogy.
[01:04:38]  I like that.
[01:04:39]  Holy shit.
[01:04:40]  That's fucking sociopathic.
[01:04:42]  It really is.
[01:04:43]  And the presumption you can hear already is that this is fake.
[01:04:46]  Yeah.
[01:04:47]  Within minutes.
[01:04:48]  You don't even need to, you're in overdrive.
[01:04:51]  You don't even need to be on air.
[01:04:53]  Nope.
[01:04:53]  Like if shit like this happened for you and I, while we were fucking recording, we would just stop.
[01:04:58]  Absolutely.
[01:04:59]  We'd just stop and be like, maybe we'll do this some other time.
[01:05:01]  I can't handle this right now.
[01:05:02]  Well, we actually probably wouldn't know because we're not checking in with the news as we go.
[01:05:07]  And we don't have interns to run papers.
[01:05:09]  They can't throw shit at us.
[01:05:10]  Yeah.
[01:05:11]  Yeah.
[01:05:12]  Celine might give us the headset, though.
[01:05:14]  Yeah.
[01:05:16]  Too dead in the well?
[01:05:17]  Oh, no.
[01:05:17]  No, no, Celine.
[01:05:18]  Interestingly, though, too, what you're saying is like he doesn't have to be on air, but Alex recognizes the lack of information that he can exploit here.
[01:05:26]  So he, what he does, in the middle of the fourth hour, he announces we're going six hours today.
[01:05:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:32]  So what he does is he takes off a little while and lets Jakari Jackson and David Knight host.
[01:05:39]  While he tries to do that, so they do the next like three hours of like taking calls and stuff like that.
[01:05:45]  And we're not going to listen to any of that.
[01:05:46]  But we will listen to a little bit of them, but not from this.
[01:05:50]  Yeah.
[01:05:50]  Because I can't find that audio.
[01:05:53]  And I feel like whatever they might have come up with, if it's something that sticks, Alex will talk about the next day.
[01:06:00]  Oh, of course.
[01:06:01]  So we will get all of that coverage, as it were.
[01:06:05]  But he expands his show extremely in a way that is suspicious.
[01:06:11]  Right, right, right.
[01:06:12]  It's very fast, him doing it.
[01:06:14]  It's like, okay, you know, a couple minutes into the fourth hour of your show, this tragedy happened.
[01:06:21]  And by halfway through the hour, you're like, we're going six hours today.
[01:06:26]  Right.
[01:06:27]  It's a very fast decision, and I think it's based on the lack of information.
[01:06:30]  The ability to have the concrete be wet, make your mark in it.
[01:06:34]  Right.
[01:06:34]  Which is why it is, which is why he has to be, like, when he gets off air, he has to be like, fuck yeah, we got this one.
[01:06:43]  It's on the line.
[01:06:44]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:06:44]  Fish is on the line.
[01:06:45]  Absolutely.
[01:06:46]  I definitely feel like his actions indicate a certain amount of that.
[01:06:50]  No, he's gleeful whenever he's off the air, I bet.
[01:06:53]  So the only, like I said, the only real substance that's going on between Belzer and Alex for a good stretch is that they're just sort of guessing who's going to be blamed for it, which isn't, I don't feel, is very productive.
[01:07:05]  But with this, Muslim extremists are going to pin it on?
[01:07:08]  Or will they pin it on the new enemy, the Patriots?

=== Key Intel: AFC vs. NFC (10:31) ===

[01:07:10]  Go ahead.
[01:07:11]  Well, they have a menu of what will best serve their needs.
[01:07:16]  I'm with you.
[01:07:17]  I pray that it's not like Al-Qaeda.
[01:07:20]  Okay.
[01:07:20]  What menu?
[01:07:21]  I don't know.
[01:07:22]  It's not specific.
[01:07:23]  What needs?
[01:07:24]  I don't know.
[01:07:25]  So they talk about demonizing of the Patriots that's happened in the last forever.
[01:07:32]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:07:33]  Sure, sure.
[01:07:34]  The new enemy is the Patriots, right, Dan?
[01:07:37]  It's 2013.
[01:07:38]  We've never had to worry about the Patriots before.
[01:07:40]  Well, I mean, some NFC teams have.
[01:07:43]  Did I get the league right?
[01:07:44]  I'm not sure.
[01:07:44]  AFC.
[01:07:45]  Well, earlier in the playoffs, fuck you.
[01:07:47]  No, at the end, the AFC plays the NFC.
[01:07:51]  Earlier in the playoffs, it's just the AFC.
[01:07:53]  Oh, they're in the AFC.
[01:07:54]  They're in the AFC.
[01:07:55]  It's not until the Super Bowl that the AFC and the NFC play each other.
[01:07:58]  I don't know my contrast.
[01:07:59]  Okay, it's okay, Dan.
[01:08:00]  It's okay.
[01:08:01]  We're not even going to get into the American League versus the National League.
[01:08:04]  No, we won't.
[01:08:05]  How do you feel about the designated?
[01:08:09]  I don't love it.
[01:08:10]  So there's a demonization of these truth-tellers, Patriots, all this stuff that's going on.
[01:08:16]  And Richard Belzer says something that I think is fucking interesting considering what show he's on.
[01:08:22]  You know, Machiavelli, he said that what you do is you take a person's best quality and attack that, you know, not make up something.
[01:08:34]  You know, so it's like, that's what I'm not, I wasn't a big fan of Kerry, but, you know, he did get shot.
[01:08:41]  He was, you know, he had a uniform on, it's more than Bush did, and was in combat, but they made him into a wimp.
[01:08:48]  You know, it's like you can make people's brains do tricks, and this thing is exactly like, look at this bad person.
[01:08:55]  They help children.
[01:08:57]  So it's real funny that he's complaining about the swift boating of John Kerry considering Alex's best friend and future Washington, D.C. Bureau chief Jerome Corsi, the guy who did it.
[01:09:09]  He's very deeply involved in that.
[01:09:11]  Like, just know where you are.
[01:09:13]  Know what the people you're talking to have done and are involved in.
[01:09:17]  Like, even in 2013, Corsi is an associate of Alex's.
[01:09:21]  He's working for World Net Daily at the time, but he's been on the show a bunch, and the two of them, like, he's considered an expert in shit.
[01:09:28]  That's so funny.
[01:09:30]  If you're going to complain about the demonization and swift boating of John Kerry, don't show up and be like, hey, you never make things up to the guy who promoted the very thing.
[01:09:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:09:42]  Get the fuck out of here.
[01:09:43]  That's me going on TV with Dick Taney and being like, this guy, I love him.
[01:09:47]  Everything he's ever done is incredible.
[01:09:50]  And I just want to talk about something completely unrelated.
[01:09:53]  In the lead up to the Iraq war, there were a lot of lies thrown around.
[01:09:56]  And Carl Rohm was a menace.
[01:09:58]  Yeah.
[01:10:01]  Yeah.
[01:10:02]  It's similar to that.
[01:10:03]  Yeah.
[01:10:04]  So they've been building up this insinuation of who's going to be to blame.
[01:10:08]  And a lot of it has been steering towards them being like, well, it's probably going to be, especially Alex, steering towards it's going to be the new enemy of the Patriots.
[01:10:17]  There's a whole lot of that.
[01:10:19]  Then, in mid-sentence, Alex realizes one way that he can best hang his hat on that.
[01:10:25]  We got a bunch of people sick today, so our crew is limited, but we're going to do this.
[01:10:28]  Great job of the crew, by the way.
[01:10:30]  You guys are all entering.
[01:10:32]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:10:34]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:10:36]  I just realized it's Patriots Day in Massachusetts, and April 19th is the national one.
[01:10:41]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:10:43]  That bumps up the DEF CON that they're going to blame it on a Patriot group.
[01:10:46]  Anyways, I'm sorry.
[01:10:47]  I'm just brainstorming earlier.
[01:10:49]  Very astute.
[01:10:50]  He thinks it's astute.
[01:10:52]  Bells.
[01:10:54]  Good work, Bells, right?
[01:10:56]  Oh, boy.
[01:10:57]  I think that that clip fully displays how Alex is not spitballing on this episode.
[01:11:02]  He's actively trying to come up with any piece of information he can find to make it look like this fits the demonize the Patriots narrative.
[01:11:09]  It's crystal clear how excited he is about this realization that it's Patriots Day in Massachusetts.
[01:11:14]  Patriots Day was not celebrated nationally on April 19th.
[01:11:18]  It used to be on April 19th, but since 1897, it's always been the third Monday of April.
[01:11:24]  And the Boston Marathon has always been on that day.
[01:11:27]  They're basically the same thing, in Boston, especially.
[01:11:30]  More importantly, though, there are a lot of other things that could have been attacked if this were somehow Patriot-related.
[01:11:36]  You know, there's a lot of reenactments.
[01:11:38]  There's the standing tradition of the Red Sox playing at home on that day.
[01:11:41]  I think it's even like Fenway's opening day every year, or most years.
[01:11:46]  This is a tenuous connection, but it's one that feels super important to Alex because he's engaging in a behavior known as motivated reasoning.
[01:11:53]  Alex has a predetermined conclusion that he needs to arrive at, namely that the globalists are blaming this bombing on the Patriots.
[01:12:00]  He needs to get there because for months he's been warning of a big attack coming meant to demonize the Patriots, and this is a huge attack.
[01:12:07]  He knows he's probably not going to get a better chance to validate his narratives and rhetoric and in the process make a bunch of money, so he knows he needs to get to work at crafting this and make it make sense.
[01:12:18]  The behavior you see from Alex is exactly what you would expect from someone who is not interested in reality, but interested solely in manufacturing a perception.
[01:12:27]  It's been consistent since the news of the bombing broke out.
[01:12:30]  It's all been an attack on media coverage, but it's not an attack that's based on substance.
[01:12:34]  It's based on instinct.
[01:12:36]  You have Alex shitting on CNN for assuming it was an attack when they only did that because video they knew about that Alex didn't know about.
[01:12:44]  He doesn't have any information about the attack itself, nor the media coverage of it.
[01:12:48]  And yet here he sits with goddamn John Munch rambling about who they think the globalists are going to blame.
[01:12:54]  Alex doesn't want to guess who they're going to blame.
[01:12:56]  He wants to establish, first of all, that someone is going to be erroneously blamed.
[01:13:01]  And secondly, that no matter who actually gets blamed, this is all about getting at his dumb fuck gun buddies.
[01:13:07]  I didn't know exactly what I would find looking at this episode.
[01:13:10]  And on one level, none of this is surprising.
[01:13:12]  But on another level, like I mentioned at the beginning, this is making me a lot more angry than I expected.
[01:13:18]  As Alex is grasping at straws to find a way to make this tragedy about himself and his show's worldview, people are fucking bleeding on the street.
[01:13:26]  Other people are putting themselves in danger to help their fellow citizens.
[01:13:29]  People are scared.
[01:13:30]  Some people don't know where their loved ones are.
[01:13:33]  This is a disgrace, and it's very transparent, and it's willful.
[01:13:37]  And it's an affront to the pain that the people of Boston were going through at the exact time he's on air spreading this bullshit.
[01:13:44]  This is a perfect encapsulation of Alex Jones.
[01:13:47]  Brainstorming ways to spin a tragedy into being profitable for him while the victims of the tragedy bleed.
[01:13:53]  Fuck him.
[01:13:54]  This is nonsense.
[01:13:55]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:13:57]  There will be more rants throughout this.
[01:14:01]  I really, really disrespect this.
[01:14:04]  It's such a next-level version of what he does.
[01:14:07]  Right.
[01:14:07]  Like, the realities that other people are existing in and the way he's behaving are just so out of step.
[01:14:15]  Yeah.
[01:14:16]  And it's awful.
[01:14:18]  It's sometimes one of the ways I view it.
[01:14:23]  Like, one of the viewpoints that I take to try and understand this kind of, I don't know, idiocy and lack of empathy as something other than just this guy's a psychopath is the size of the states.
[01:14:37]  The size of the United States is such that if you are living in fucking Belgium and a bombing happens in Paris, that's a different country.
[01:14:46]  And so you don't treat it as though this is an attack on Belgians also.
[01:14:49]  Right.
[01:14:50]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[01:14:51]  In the same way, Belgium is a lot closer to France than Texas is to Boston.
[01:14:56]  Functionally, I do think that Alex believes he lives in a different country, obviously.
[01:15:02]  He lives in Texas, which is, in his mind, the only country.
[01:15:05]  And it's a state, or it's a country itself.
[01:15:07]  Yeah, exactly, exactly.
[01:15:08]  But that is one way of trying to understand this kind of behavior is because if you're, you know, just like if CNN is reporting on a terrorist attack in Senegal.
[01:15:19]  I think if Belgians were reporting this way about a bombing in France, I would still think it was pretty gross.
[01:15:24]  It is pretty gross.
[01:15:26]  I'm trying to talk about ways to view it without just being like, all these people are fucking psychopaths, but I don't know.
[01:15:33]  I don't know if you can.
[01:15:34]  I try.
[01:15:34]  I try.
[01:15:35]  I want to be a human.
[01:15:36]  So Alex needs more information as he's going along, and there isn't much being reported because a lot of information is unknown.
[01:15:44]  But one way he decides he can get around that is to put out a call for people to call in.
[01:15:49]  And I mean, what he's doing is just asking for hearsay.
[01:15:53]  Folks, here is the toll-free number: 800-259-9231.
[01:15:59]  What have you noticed watching the news?
[01:16:01]  That's just as important as if you're even in MASH, but particularly if you're in Boston.
[01:16:05]  I know we have listeners everywhere.
[01:16:07]  800-259-9231.
[01:16:10]  Please only call if you have a tidbit of key intel or if you were there or have family that was there.
[01:16:15]  800-259-9231.
[01:16:18]  Key Intel.
[01:16:19]  What are you going to get from your callers that is key intel?
[01:16:22]  I really love the idea that you can just crowdsource narratives to your conspiracy theory.
[01:16:28]  Well, I mean, it's so that's such fucking transparent bullshit of just like, well, I don't have time right now to come up with a complete story, but you guys give me a bunch of ideas, and I'll cherry-pick some to put into the narrative later.
[01:16:43]  It's like a contest almost.
[01:16:45]  I don't trust my employees to read the news and synthesize if you want me.
[01:16:49]  So I need you to call in if you saw the news.
[01:16:52]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:16:53]  And give me some wild shit.
[01:16:56]  Maybe it'll make it in.
[01:16:56]  Yeah.
[01:16:57]  Such a just like giving up of his responsibilities.
[01:17:00]  It's crazy.
[01:17:01]  Yeah, that's disastrous.
[01:17:02]  So Alex gets pretty severe here, and he makes an if-then statement that I want to really nail down and talk about because I think that this is kind of it really gets to the heart of what he's trying to do on this April 15th episode.
[01:17:18]  Again, within 20 minutes, half an hour after news broke of this.
[01:17:24]  And again, this could be the start of a whole bunch of this stuff, okay?

=== Patriot Meetings and Globalist Suspicions (10:06) ===

[01:17:28]  Because they're saying the libertarians will start bombing everything.
[01:17:32]  And then if it starts happening and they blame it on us, if it comes out and they say it's a libertarian group, folks, we are in deep crap.
[01:17:40]  It means they're going ahead with it.
[01:17:41]  If they say it's Iran, there is no way Iran would pull something like this knowing that they're going to get clobbered.
[01:17:50]  Leave the Iran part out of this for now, because it's not important.
[01:17:53]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:54]  Right here, we have perhaps the most dangerous way possible for Alex to frame a conditional statement.
[01:18:00]  If they blame libertarian patriot groups, that means we're in big trouble and they're moving ahead with it.
[01:18:06]  Alex is injecting a classic if-then statement and expecting his audience to accept this assessment as reality.
[01:18:13]  So if you see blaming of patriot libertarian groups, then it necessarily follows that the globalists are making their move and there will be bombings all over the place and the march to the FEMA camps is imminent.
[01:18:24]  This is a pure logical statement that he's putting forth.
[01:18:27]  The problem with this is when you frame an argument this way, you need to be pretty careful about how you present what the media is saying.
[01:18:34]  With this if-then argument in place, every time you argue that the media is blaming libertarian patriot groups, you're actually arguing that the globalists are about to send Ron Paul and all your gun weirdo buddies to a camp.
[01:18:46]  It just necessarily follows from the if-then argument.
[01:18:49]  You can't get around that based on how words work.
[01:18:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:18:54]  One of the essential elements of formal logic is that truth cannot lead to falsity.
[01:18:59]  If you have a valid argument and the premises are true, then your conclusion cannot be false.
[01:19:04]  The actual form of the argument that Alex is making is this.
[01:19:07]  Premise one, if the media blames the Patriots, then they're moving ahead with it.
[01:19:11]  Premise two, the media is blaming the Patriots.
[01:19:14]  Conclusion, therefore, they are moving ahead with it.
[01:19:18]  In this clip, we're seeing the first premise and the conclusion introduced, which is why this is super dangerous.
[01:19:24]  Alex still needs premise two in order to have this construction of an argument work.
[01:19:28]  And if we see him manipulating things in order to establish premise two that the media is blaming the Patriots, then what you're really seeing is him lying and manipulating to justify the conclusion that they're moving ahead with it and there's going to be bombings everywhere.
[01:19:43]  This is pretty basic deception stuff.
[01:19:45]  And Alex does variations of this kind of thing all the time.
[01:19:47]  I just felt like pointing this one out was particularly important because it's very glaring.
[01:19:51]  And when we get through some more of this stuff, you'll see why this is very important.
[01:19:55]  He needs premise two to be established, or else this doesn't work.
[01:19:59]  He no longer has a good argument if the media isn't blaming the Patriots.
[01:20:04]  He needs that to be there in order to justify, facilitate, and make his arguments look as extreme as he's making them.
[01:20:13]  Right.
[01:20:15]  I would like to see Alex have to draw it up himself.
[01:20:19]  Sure.
[01:20:20]  How logic works.
[01:20:22]  I would love to see Alex 1 try and fumble through what you just explained very quickly and shortly.
[01:20:27]  But even that's really simple stuff.
[01:20:29]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:20:30]  That's why I want Alex to do it.
[01:20:33]  It is the argument he's making, though, and it's important to look at it on a sort of crystal basis.
[01:20:40]  Absolutely.
[01:20:42]  Because we'll see.
[01:20:43]  We'll see.
[01:20:44]  I assure you.
[01:20:46]  So in this next clip, Alex says that CNN is starting to talk about right-wingers.
[01:20:52]  And then he says that he hopes he doesn't get blamed, which is code for, man, I hope they blame me for this.
[01:20:58]  Guys, rewind CNN right now.
[01:20:59]  Rewind it to that in the minute.
[01:21:02]  They're now saying, were there right-wing or Patriot meetings in the area?
[01:21:06]  Uh-oh.
[01:21:07]  Uh-oh.
[01:21:07]  Oh, man.
[01:21:08]  And that's CNN doing that?
[01:21:10]  Oh.
[01:21:11]  Wolf Blitzer, we are in trouble.
[01:21:13]  Oh, man.
[01:21:14]  I bet they even dragged me into it with my 1776 line.
[01:21:19]  I hope they're not going to be able to do it.
[01:21:20]  They dragged me into it with my famous 1776 line.
[01:21:25]  Did he?
[01:21:26]  Man, I am amazed at how quickly these guys move on from grief.
[01:21:30]  To laugh at it.
[01:21:30]  To laughing like that?
[01:21:31]  That's great.
[01:21:32]  And like real personal concerns about hypothetical realities where they get blamed for this.
[01:21:39]  It's very gross.
[01:21:41]  Yeah, that's...
[01:21:41]  You can see even already he's working on premise two.
[01:21:44]  Right.
[01:21:44]  Right.
[01:21:45]  That is the thing that when you deconstruct and break down his argument that he's trying to make, it makes it so much clearer these actions are in service of propping up the flimsy part of his argument in order to make it all look real.
[01:21:58]  Yeah.
[01:21:58]  And it's CNN's asking questions about where there are Patriot meetings in the area.
[01:22:04]  And this pisses off Belzer.
[01:22:07]  This thing is just, you know, it's making me ill because they're going to use it no matter who did it.
[01:22:14]  Exactly.
[01:22:14]  And it could blame it on Muslims, libertarians, liberals.
[01:22:17]  Who knows?
[01:22:18]  But how dare Wolf Blitzer pose a question like that?
[01:22:22]  How dare he?
[01:22:23]  That's directly from Fort Dietrich, I guarantee you to say, why couldn't say there were any Martians there?
[01:22:29]  Were there any aliens there?
[01:22:31]  That's a tell, though.
[01:22:32]  That's a tell.
[01:22:34]  Come on, man.
[01:22:36]  I got to get, oh, my God.
[01:22:37]  This is Red Alert.
[01:22:38]  Let's see what Drudge is saying.
[01:22:39]  I'm going to go back to the caller.
[01:22:41]  Yeah, let's go to Drudge.
[01:22:43]  So those last two clips are all about Wolf Blitzer asking this question, were there any Patriot meetings?
[01:22:48]  As if to imply that he's asking about, are there right-wing groups that we're meeting?
[01:22:53]  You want to hear the actual clip?
[01:22:54]  Sure.
[01:22:55]  Notice earlier in the day, Matt, any special Patriots Day events going on?
[01:23:01]  Anything pointing to a special day in Massachusetts?
[01:23:05]  Well, it's always a special day, Patriots Day.
[01:23:07]  Everyone gets the day off from work for the most part, and it's two huge events in Boston.
[01:23:11]  It's not only the Boston Marathon, where 25,000 plus people run, but I believe it's always opening day of Fenways.
[01:23:18]  They also have that going on.
[01:23:19]  So it's a traffic nightmare in a ways, but it's probably one of the busiest days in downtown Boston.
[01:23:25]  So it is a holiday, and a lot of people don't go to work, and is there no school today either?
[01:23:31]  This is about the holiday.
[01:23:32]  This has this question.
[01:23:34]  Are there any Patriots Day things going on?
[01:23:37]  Yeah, it's Patriots Day.
[01:23:39]  Yeah, there's a lot of traffic.
[01:23:40]  I think that means that the right wing is doing it.
[01:23:42]  Exactly.
[01:23:43]  What, huh?
[01:23:43]  Do you see how this is already the crafting of perceptions based on hinging on this word, Patriots' Day?
[01:23:50]  He's like, oh, they're blaming us because he said the word.
[01:23:53]  This is thin fucking shit, and it's immediate.
[01:23:55]  It's immediate because he needs this.
[01:23:57]  And it's this in order to make the argument work.
[01:24:00]  And he can't understand words.
[01:24:02]  Well, I mean, you know, it's really easy for him to use this one because he's not burdened with that ability to understand words.
[01:24:10]  I think that this is one of the cases of which is why I do think he's innocent, according to his own belief in innocence, meaning you don't know anything.
[01:24:18]  I think this is one of the cases of evil being masked by stupidity.
[01:24:22]  I think that he knows exactly what he's doing.
[01:24:24]  Yeah, I know.
[01:24:25]  So in this next clip, he wants to spread more suspicion around the idea that the bombing was planned by some nefarious globalists.
[01:24:33]  Sure.
[01:24:34]  And here's how he chooses to do that.
[01:24:37]  And notice the bombing happened right where they've got the United Nations display with a bunch of flags.
[01:24:43]  I'm telling you, Richard, this is looking worse by the minute.
[01:24:46]  Guys, keep Googling.
[01:24:47]  Find out if anybody's taking responsibility for this shit.
[01:24:49]  Keep on Google, guys.
[01:24:51]  Keep Googling.
[01:24:52]  So one thing that's important to remember, Jordan, is that marathon running is a big sport, and that the Boston Marathon is one of the biggest annual marathons in the world.
[01:25:00]  Some one-off events have been way bigger in terms of number of runners, but the Boston Marathon is huge, and it's been run since 1897, making it the world's oldest annual marathon.
[01:25:11]  Like, the marathon got brought back to the Olympics in 1896.
[01:25:15]  The next year after that, the Boston Marathon started.
[01:25:17]  It's been going ever since.
[01:25:19]  It's a huge deal in the international running community.
[01:25:21]  So people come in from all over to take part in this event.
[01:25:25]  The second winner ever in 1898 was a Canadian.
[01:25:28]  In 1907, a Canadian member of the First Nations named Thomas Longboat won the race.
[01:25:33]  It has a very rich history.
[01:25:36]  It was mostly Americans and Canadians until the late 40s.
[01:25:39]  And then you see the list come to life with winners from South Korea, Japan, Guatemala, Sweden, Finland, and then in recent years, a lot of Kenyans.
[01:25:47]  Only one American won the marathon between 1946 and 1967.
[01:25:53]  The only American to win in that time span was named John Kelly, which happened to be the same name and same spelling as the last American to win it in 1945.
[01:26:02]  And those dudes weren't related.
[01:26:04]  That's weird.
[01:26:05]  The race has a crazy history.
[01:26:07]  That is weird.
[01:26:07]  Full of weird trivia all over the place.
[01:26:09]  Yeah.
[01:26:09]  It's fun little trivia.
[01:26:11]  They let women start running in 1972, but guess what, Jordan?
[01:26:14]  The women had been running it unsanctioned for six years at that point.
[01:26:18]  Yeah, I heard that, Dallop.
[01:26:19]  Yeah.
[01:26:19]  Oh, I don't remember that.
[01:26:20]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:26:21]  They did a whole dollop about it.
[01:26:23]  Six years.
[01:26:23]  Yeah, about the badass woman who forced them and then the Scottish guy who single-handedly tried to keep women out of the marathon.
[01:26:31]  There's some bad aspects, but also some good ones.
[01:26:34]  There's a wheelchair division and record holders and everything.
[01:26:37]  It's awesome.
[01:26:38]  When you see that line of flags at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, that's not a UN station or anything like that.
[01:26:45]  It's a recognition that this thing that could just be people running a long way is so much more than that.
[01:26:50]  It's a celebration that crosses cultures and communities and brings people together.
[01:26:55]  According to the Boston Marathon's official Facebook page, quote, each year about 100 nations are represented by runners in the Boston Marathon, and their flags are displayed along the home stretch of Boylston Street.
[01:27:06]  It has nothing to do with the UN.
[01:27:07]  Rather, it's to honor and celebrate each of the runners that takes part in the race.
[01:27:12]  Alex is taking a physical representation of cross-cultural celebration and togetherness, and he's using it to create suspicion around the bombing by just making shit up to attach it to one of his big bad guys, the UN.

=== Misunderstanding the Marathon (09:37) ===

[01:27:22]  This is shameful shit.
[01:27:24]  And really, if you get down to the bottom of it, all Alex is saying is that he views any kind of multicultural unity as a UN plot.
[01:27:31]  And I think there's a name for that.
[01:27:34]  You know, it is almost like he is taking, let's call it the strength of the Boston Marathon, which is a cross-cultural event celebrating how, regardless of where you're from, we are all people and we all care and we are all humans and we are all empathetic.
[01:27:49]  And he's turning that into something evil.
[01:27:52]  So you can say that.
[01:27:57]  On the same episode, 15 minutes earlier.
[01:28:00]  Yeah.
[01:28:01]  So Alex has another revelation that he realizes he can use to make this look like they're blaming patriots.
[01:28:09]  No, it's just the income tax day.
[01:28:12]  Oh, watch him blame an anti-income tax guy.
[01:28:14]  And notice, they never actually bomb a real target.
[01:28:17]  It's always the general public so they can scare us and then act like anti-government groups would actually just target the general public.
[01:28:24]  Go ahead.
[01:28:24]  What?
[01:28:25]  That's nonsense.
[01:28:26]  Also, it took him like half an hour to realize it's tax day.
[01:28:30]  Yeah.
[01:28:30]  Like, that seems weird.
[01:28:31]  Yeah, he has a he's got an accountant who takes care of that for him.
[01:28:35]  He doesn't know when tax day is.
[01:28:37]  Probably.
[01:28:38]  So, like, like I mentioned earlier in this episode, he talked about how they're going to bomb and blame us earlier in the episode.
[01:28:45]  So he looks like a prophet.
[01:28:48]  Of course.
[01:28:48]  And the whole crew is freaking out because Alex said the thing he says every day.
[01:28:53]  And coincidentally, a tragedy struck.
[01:28:56]  And I think people are beginning to understand.
[01:28:58]  The crew's completely freaked out.
[01:28:59]  Because I walked in here the day before Sandy Hook and I said, something bad's about to happen.
[01:29:04]  And I only do this.
[01:29:05]  And today I said, I'm physically sick.
[01:29:07]  They're getting ready to.
[01:29:08]  I said on air, they're getting ready to blow stuff up.
[01:29:10]  And I said, they're going to do their own shot heard around the world to blame it on us.
[01:29:16]  So like Lexington and Concord.
[01:29:18]  And this is the day it happened at that place.
[01:29:21]  Yeah.
[01:29:23]  I mean, my God.
[01:29:24]  I mean, because listen, I said bin Laden will blow up.
[01:29:26]  They'll say Bin Laden blew up the World Trade Center, and then they're going to blame it on him, and he'll take the blame.
[01:29:31]  And I said that July 25th.
[01:29:32]  I don't know how I know this stuff.
[01:29:33]  It's like I need my own 1-800 number, start reading horoscopes or something.
[01:29:37]  No, I mean, it's not that, folks.
[01:29:39]  I get their script.
[01:29:40]  Okay.
[01:29:40]  So he's a psychic.
[01:29:41]  He's predicted everything.
[01:29:43]  And great.
[01:29:44]  How long after all the news broke is this?
[01:29:49]  This is towards the end of the fourth hour.
[01:29:51]  We're getting towards the end of the actual show.
[01:29:53]  Right, right, right.
[01:29:54]  Because the thing I hear is a genuine surprise at himself for being correct, which suggests to me he doesn't even think about it when he says things are going to blow up.
[01:30:04]  It's automatic.
[01:30:05]  It's just part of it.
[01:30:06]  And then one of his crew members, like they're all going, they're all freaking out because he did it.
[01:30:10]  And they have to tell him, remember, you predicted this.
[01:30:14]  And he's like, holy shit, I did.
[01:30:16]  Oh, my God.
[01:30:16]  That's so cool.
[01:30:17]  Yeah.
[01:30:18]  And it's selective memory on the part of his crew that obviously just forget about it every time he says this, this sort of shit.
[01:30:26]  And then this one time, it sticks out in your mind.
[01:30:29]  Right.
[01:30:29]  If you make, it's the same thing they do with the financial collapse shit all the time.
[01:30:32]  Like, if you say every day the financial collapse is coming, then when the 2008-2009 crisis hits, you look like a genius until you review the tapes and see you saying it all the time.
[01:30:43]  Every single fucking day.
[01:30:44]  Yeah.
[01:30:45]  And so I just, you know, if you want to play this game, you can play it, Alex, but it's very transparent.
[01:30:51]  Oh, yeah.
[01:30:52]  So Alex finds out a piece of information during the break from Rob Dew, and it's that his brother was there at the marathon.
[01:31:02]  Oh, God, no.
[01:31:02]  So we're going to have to.
[01:31:04]  Well, there's a bit of a misunderstanding between the two of them.
[01:31:08]  And Alex really over-inflates this news.
[01:31:11]  Yeah.
[01:31:13]  Your wife's brother?
[01:31:15]  Your wife's brother.
[01:31:17]  Tell people what happened to him today.
[01:31:20]  He was in command.
[01:31:22]  Well, I would not get a significant.
[01:31:24]  Well, no, you told me.
[01:31:24]  Well, he was in command of the military there because I saw a troop.
[01:31:27]  Tell me what you told me out there.
[01:31:28]  I'll tell you what.
[01:31:29]  He was running the race today.
[01:31:31]  Running the race.
[01:31:32]  Yes.
[01:31:33]  Running.
[01:31:33]  He was commanding it.
[01:31:34]  I misunderstood because I saw Army there.
[01:31:36]  He was running in the race.
[01:31:38]  Oh, my God.
[01:31:38]  And they had Army there with Army and a bus.
[01:31:43]  And they were running.
[01:31:44]  Well, yeah, I guess I could see how you misconstrued it.
[01:31:46]  I mean, you just told me this during the break.
[01:31:48]  You're like, because I knew he ran stuff.
[01:31:50]  I knew he was in intelligence domestically, so that I just got it wrong.
[01:31:54]  So that's a pretty fucking stupid misunderstanding for Alex to make.
[01:31:58]  That's one more example of Alex not understanding words.
[01:32:01]  Sure.
[01:32:02]  And also, Alex probably sitting there thinking, I should have not had Rob on a mic when I dropped this information.
[01:32:09]  I think I could have spun this a little better.
[01:32:11]  Could have done better.
[01:32:12]  Yeah.
[01:32:12]  Because I wanted to say that he was in charge of the Army there by willingly and very intentionally misunderstanding running a race.
[01:32:20]  He's running the race.
[01:32:22]  Yeah.
[01:32:23]  He's not running the race.
[01:32:24]  He's running the race.
[01:32:26]  So the story here is that Rob Dew's brother was there with the Army and he was running the race.
[01:32:32]  And at some point along the route, someone came to him and said that he was showing signs of dehydration and he was made to leave the race.
[01:32:42]  And so Alex.
[01:32:43]  So that means that he's a very good idea.
[01:32:43]  But because he's in the army and Alex reports him as being a high-level military intelligence guy.
[01:32:49]  They kept him away from the bombing in order to say that they knew what was going on and they didn't want any of their people to get hurt.
[01:32:56]  That's the narrative that's being put forward there.
[01:32:58]  Of course.
[01:32:59]  Now, first of all, for someone who does a show like Alex does, you really should be worried about revealing that his news director's dad is in the FBI and his brother-in-law is high-level military intelligence.
[01:33:09]  That's the sort of thing that really makes conspiracy theorists suspicious.
[01:33:13]  Ah, that's how he knows their language, Dan.
[01:33:15]  But, man, you can only say na-na-na-na-na.
[01:33:18]  They're the good guys in the spy grid.
[01:33:20]  Deep State.
[01:33:21]  You can only say that so many times before people decide you work for the man.
[01:33:24]  Yeah, well, he probably does.
[01:33:26]  Personally, I don't really believe these credentials, or at least I think they're intentionally exaggerated in order to create the appearance of proximity to legitimate information.
[01:33:34]  Alex does this all the time.
[01:33:35]  It's why he believes Steve Pieczenik's fake resume.
[01:33:38]  It's why he calls Christopher Monckton Lord.
[01:33:40]  And it's why he pretends that Leo Zagami isn't a raving lunatic.
[01:33:43]  It's all just what works best for the brand, and the brand is deception.
[01:33:47]  I'm inclined to believe, considering that Rob and Alex offer no evidence to the contrary, that Rob's brother-in-law did legitimately have signs of dehydration.
[01:33:55]  Allow me to lay out my case.
[01:33:58]  Marathons are long.
[01:33:59]  That's one thing.
[01:34:00]  Running is hard.
[01:34:01]  Well, he's in the Army, though.
[01:34:02]  He's in good shape.
[01:34:03]  April 15th, 2013, was a fairly cool day in Boston, with temperatures around 48 degrees, which under normal conditions would lead you to think that a person in good shape would have no real trouble finishing a marathon.
[01:34:14]  Generally, the finish rate is pretty high for the Boston Marathon, with about 95% of entrants completing the marathon in 2018.
[01:34:21]  However, if you have over 20,000 entrants, that's at least 1,000 people who, for one reason or another, don't pass the finish line.
[01:34:30]  And a pretty good number of those people, you kind of have to assume, didn't finish because of medical reasons.
[01:34:35]  It seems unlikely that they would train, go through the steps to qualify, plan ahead, register, and show up for the marathon, only to realize halfway through they had a meeting they'd forgotten about or some other.
[01:34:45]  You know, it's not like that would be hilarious.
[01:34:48]  You're running the marathon and you get a call and you're like, guys, I got to go to work.
[01:34:51]  Fuck.
[01:34:51]  I got called in.
[01:34:53]  It's something that takes a lot to get to the starting line.
[01:34:57]  Yeah.
[01:34:57]  So most people, like, that's why 95% finish.
[01:35:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:35:01]  You're not having anybody who's like, ah, on a lark, I'm just going to go run the marathon today.
[01:35:07]  I woke up a little bit late, but I can still make it there on time.
[01:35:10]  Yeah.
[01:35:10]  It's not super uncommon for people to be unable to finish the race.
[01:35:14]  And three people have actually died running it before.
[01:35:18]  One thing that makes the dehydration or exhaustion story a lot more possible to me is that it's pretty common for enlisted persons to sign up for these marathons, but run them in honor of their fallen brothers in the service.
[01:35:30]  They do this symbolically by participating in what's known as the tough ruck, which involves them doing the marathon in full uniform and carrying a military backpack that weighs about 40 pounds.
[01:35:40]  That added variable could make it far more likely that someone would have a difficult time finishing the full marathon.
[01:35:46]  Now, I have no idea if Rob Dew's brother-in-law was doing the tough ruck, but there definitely were enlisted persons doing that at the 2013 Boston Marathon.
[01:35:56]  It's literally impossible for me to figure out if any concrete information exists on this, since the guy, you know, it would be Rob Dew's sister's husband or whatever.
[01:36:06]  So Dew isn't even his last name.
[01:36:08]  Yeah.
[01:36:08]  I have no way of tracking down any information.
[01:36:10]  And they don't offer any, because of course they don't.
[01:36:12]  All this is to say that there's possible explanations for him being advised to leave the marathon that have nothing to do with conspiratorial paranoia.
[01:36:20]  Right.
[01:36:21]  Well, I looked into it a little bit, and I believe his name was Private First Class Illuminati.
[01:36:25]  So that does support that.
[01:36:28]  Admiral Cavendish.
[01:36:30]  The best thing I can say for this is that Dew's information doesn't prove anything.
[01:36:35]  The worst I can say is that Dew is allowing Alex to use his brother-in-law's medical situation to be used as part of his attempt to hijack and capitalize on the deaths of three people and injuries of 250 plus others, which I find to be an immoral act.

=== Saving People: Time Oh (02:19) ===

[01:36:49]  Yeah, he should have gone from do to don't on this one.
[01:36:53]  I agree.
[01:36:54]  So that's my perspective on this.
[01:36:55]  Let's see if Richard Belzer has a different take.
[01:36:58]  Yeah, it's very crazy.
[01:37:00]  Now that's stay there, stay there.
[01:37:01]  Richard Belzer, what's your take on that?
[01:37:03]  Well, I'm rarely speechless, but the fact that they pulled him out means now we know it is a domestic operation.
[01:37:13]  Now we know it.
[01:37:14]  If he wasn't really sick, did he say he was sick?
[01:37:16]  That's what I don't know.
[01:37:16]  They're going to tell him to shut up.
[01:37:17]  Call him right now.
[01:37:21]  Before I shouldn't even have.
[01:37:22]  This is breaking right now.
[01:37:24]  I am living.
[01:37:24]  They're saving their own people.
[01:37:26]  That's the big thing.
[01:37:26]  Yeah, they save their own people every time.
[01:37:28]  Oh, my God.
[01:37:29]  Yeah, there you go, man.
[01:37:30]  So, great.
[01:37:31]  Or counter theory, he was dehydrated.
[01:37:34]  Okay, well, you could believe what he has to say because he said it.
[01:37:39]  And he, you know what?
[01:37:42]  You're wrong.
[01:37:42]  That's not even a possibility.
[01:37:44]  It obviously is them saving their own people.
[01:37:47]  God, that was too easy, too.
[01:37:50]  Yeah.
[01:37:50]  That's so transparent and easy.
[01:37:52]  God, I don't even care if Dew even has a brother-in-law.
[01:37:58]  They were going to do that anyway.
[01:38:00]  Someone was going to have some insights, or it would be a caller.
[01:38:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:38:04]  Absolutely.
[01:38:05]  He'd be able to build off some sort of insinuation.
[01:38:08]  I'll tell you what, the Department of Transportation is on the road.
[01:38:11]  That's for damn sure.
[01:38:12]  So that's the end of the 15th, Alex's overdrive, fourth hour.
[01:38:16]  And like I said, Jakari Jackson and David Knight come in and do more in order to keep all eyes on speculation more or less.
[01:38:26]  And so we jump back.
[01:38:27]  Just keep the fires stoked at least.
[01:38:30]  And so we jump back in here on the 16th, and we see that Alex has decided to make this a regular thing.
[01:38:35]  It is 11 a.m. Central Standard Time on the 16th day of April, 2013.
[01:38:43]  I am your host, Alex Jones, and we are going to be live here for the next 10, 11 hours or so.

=== People Are Hungry For Speculation (15:42) ===

[01:38:51]  And again, in the future, we're going to have even more reporters and crew.
[01:38:53]  We'll be able to easily go 24 hours straight or longer.
[01:38:57]  Nope.
[01:38:58]  Still not true in 2019.
[01:39:00]  Man, he has been on that tip for a long time.
[01:39:02]  He definitely has.
[01:39:03]  But what you see here is, you know, just striking while the iron's hot.
[01:39:07]  That kind of mentality is like, well, here's a thing.
[01:39:10]  We can make a lot of fucking hay out of this.
[01:39:13]  There's not a lot of information coming out.
[01:39:15]  This is ripe for speculation.
[01:39:17]  People are in the right headspace to hear conjecture and bullshit in order to satisfy their need for something.
[01:39:23]  And I'm going to fill it.
[01:39:25]  Yeah, if there's a vacuum, everybody wants something there.
[01:39:28]  Nature abhors a vacuum, and I abhor Alex.
[01:39:31]  Yeah.
[01:39:32]  So there's not a ton more information that's come out since the 15th to the 16th.
[01:39:37]  There is information that's come out about the bomb being a pressure cooker.
[01:39:42]  Those little bits of information have come out.
[01:39:45]  But in terms of a lot of concrete reporting, I went back through and was looking through articles posted in that day, and a lot of it is just the very standard little bit of information that they had.
[01:39:57]  Yeah, the who and the why were not yet available.
[01:40:00]  A lot of that is only speculation put out by the internet.
[01:40:06]  There's a lot of failings of the media in the course of this.
[01:40:10]  It's not just Alex.
[01:40:11]  Alex is way worse than everybody else.
[01:40:13]  Yeah, well, he's the one who's trying to fail us.
[01:40:15]  But none of this is to let people off the hook at other places.
[01:40:20]  And I have some critiques of them that may come up in a later show.
[01:40:24]  But for today, really, you know, we're looking squarely at what Alex did, and it's not good.
[01:40:31]  So Alex talks about how, you know, I've been saying there's going to be a false flag forever.
[01:40:37]  Great.
[01:40:38]  And then he complains about Obama's speech.
[01:40:40]  Sure.
[01:40:41]  Bottom line, you know that I've been saying there'll be false flag, IED, improvised explosive device attacks all over the country.
[01:40:47]  What?
[01:40:48]  Because I know the scripting.
[01:40:49]  Sure.
[01:40:50]  You said that.
[01:40:50]  And the globalist always train police and others for the narrative they're going to carry out, whether it's staged events, provocateur, or organic, which are very rare.
[01:41:01]  These terror attacks are rare, period.
[01:41:04]  The system will use this to roll out TSA in the malls on the streets of America and basically a rationing up of the overall martial law type atmosphere.
[01:41:17]  Before I went live, Obama spoke, and we're going to find that clip.
[01:41:20]  It was about 30 minutes ago.
[01:41:21]  I watched his press conference.
[01:41:23]  It's Obama's new press conference.
[01:41:24]  It's up at WhiteHouse.gov.
[01:41:26]  He was wearing a really ugly tie, black and white speckled tie.
[01:41:30]  People that want to be able to find which one of the fear-mongering press conferences it was.
[01:41:35]  I looked at that Ty.
[01:41:36]  It wasn't so bad.
[01:41:37]  Oh, yeah.
[01:41:39]  It wasn't the first thing that came to mind.
[01:41:41]  Was it a fear-mongering tie, though?
[01:41:42]  I don't think so.
[01:41:44]  What does a fear-mongering tie look like?
[01:41:46]  A lot of that speech was about the people who helped each other.
[01:41:49]  Like, that speech was about the runners going to give blood.
[01:41:53]  That speech was about people taking off their clothes to make tourniquets for other people.
[01:41:57]  Like, that's not fear-mongering.
[01:41:59]  Right.
[01:41:59]  It's almost Alex is fear-mongering.
[01:42:02]  It's almost like he took one of Obama's strengths, empathy and oratory, and attacked it and tried to make him look weak for it.
[01:42:10]  Almost as if he's Swift Boating.
[01:42:12]  It is kind of strange how he does that.
[01:42:14]  Weird.
[01:42:15]  So Alex gets down to his, like, I always love it when he gets into, like, real.
[01:42:20]  I don't know why I hate the bells so much now.
[01:42:22]  That's just so stupid.
[01:42:24]  It ruined it for me.
[01:42:24]  I know, but that's just so.
[01:42:26]  Now I want to yell at Richard Belzer.
[01:42:29]  I can't wake up today anymore.
[01:42:30]  Why no?
[01:42:31]  I didn't wake up today wanting to yell at the bells.
[01:42:33]  Rock the bells.
[01:42:37]  Bell's bells.
[01:42:37]  I love it when Alex gets into metrics.
[01:42:39]  Like when he talks in specific numbers.
[01:42:42]  And so he gives his percent chance that this was real.
[01:42:45]  98%.
[01:42:47]  And I'd say there's maybe one chance out of 100, conservatively, that this is some lone nut.
[01:42:52]  One chance out of 100 conservatively that this is real.
[01:42:56]  Conservatively.
[01:42:57]  What's your wild.
[01:42:59]  What are you talking liberally?
[01:43:00]  Yeah.
[01:43:01]  For.
[01:43:02]  So by this point, Alex has had time to gather resources and figure out a way to have defense for premise two that they're blaming the Patriots.
[01:43:13]  They're coming for you.
[01:43:14]  And here's how he sets out on that road that he will be going on throughout the 16th.
[01:43:20]  Now, within an hour, and I'm not exaggerating.
[01:43:24]  I have 10 different clips.
[01:43:25]  We're not going to play them all.
[01:43:26]  I'm sure you've seen them.
[01:43:27]  We'll play some.
[01:43:28]  Where they said, you know, the number one suspect is right-wingers.
[01:43:33]  The White House has come out and said that.
[01:43:34]  Axelrod, Obama thinks bombings could be related to tax day.
[01:43:39]  So this is such a classic Alex move.
[01:43:41]  He has tons of evidence that concretely makes his point, but he's sure you've seen it already.
[01:43:45]  So he's not going to bore you with proving his case.
[01:43:48]  This, to a right-thinking person, should be a strong indication that he does not have a ton of evidence.
[01:43:54]  Based on what he's shown so far, I think he's manufacturing a perception.
[01:43:58]  He's clearly distorted Wolf Blitzer's words in the closing segment of the April 15th episode.
[01:44:03]  So that's one instance of something he thinks is proof of blaming Ray Wingers for the bombing.
[01:44:07]  That's complete bullshit.
[01:44:09]  And now his second example is a comment by David Axelrod that Obama thinks the bombings could be related to tax day.
[01:44:16]  Axelrod's comments were regarding the fact that Obama didn't immediately call this an act of terrorism, explaining that, quote, the word has taken on a different meaning since 9-11.
[01:44:26]  He went on to say, quote, you use those words and it means something very specific in people's minds.
[01:44:31]  And I'm sure what was going through the mind of the president is, well, we don't really know who did this.
[01:44:36]  It was Tax Day.
[01:44:37]  Someone who was pro, you know, you just don't know.
[01:44:41]  And I think that his attitude is, let's not put any inference into this.
[01:44:45]  Let's just make clear we're going to get the people responsible.
[01:44:49]  Right.
[01:44:49]  And that is why everybody hated him on the right.
[01:44:54]  Wait, you're urging restraint?
[01:44:56]  No!
[01:44:56]  Let's start a new war with Iraq!
[01:44:59]  It's really tough to parse exactly what Axelrod was saying there.
[01:45:02]  A possible reading of it is that Axelrod thinks that Obama might think that tax day had something to do with the bombing.
[01:45:09]  But another reading of it is that Axelrod himself just thinks that.
[01:45:13]  Another reading is that the fact that it was tax day was just an example Axelrod came up with to express that there are a ton of motives that could be behind the bombing.
[01:45:22]  And at that point, no one really knew what the situation was.
[01:45:25]  I'm inclined to err towards that last one since he also says, quote, let's not put any inference into this, which seems to indicate he's trying to avoid putting inference into it.
[01:45:35]  Literally, his main, like, that's almost the worst example of having to use an example.
[01:45:42]  You know, like, he can't just say, oh, well, we don't know who did it, because everybody'd lose their shit.
[01:45:48]  And they'd be like, this is a terrible interview.
[01:45:50]  So he has to give an explanation for why we're not just going to come out and say, oh, this is Islam.
[01:45:57]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:45:58]  We're going to say, it could be, it could be Islam.
[01:46:03]  It could be.
[01:46:04]  It could be, it could be anything.
[01:46:06]  But because the first one is like, oh, it's tax day, then it's also constructed in a defense of why didn't Obama call this an act of terrorism.
[01:46:16]  And the explanation of it is there are a lot of motives.
[01:46:19]  The first, easiest one that people could understand is, well, it's also tax day.
[01:46:26]  Which, by implication, means that he wouldn't consider that a terrorist impulse because it's tax day.
[01:46:32]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:46:33]  But no matter what it is, it's not blaming someone with a tax motivation.
[01:46:37]  It's not concrete in any way.
[01:46:39]  On a scale of total bullshit to their blaming the Tea Party, I'm going to give this a one or a two.
[01:46:45]  It's easy to see how it could be spun to say that they're pointing the finger at tax protesters, but it's entirely unconvincing to me and only works if you take it completely out of context.
[01:46:54]  Absolutely.
[01:46:56]  So Alex is convinced this is a false flag by the 16th.
[01:47:00]  He is very certain of that.
[01:47:01]  And he has something that runs through this entire episode, which is he believes that media, like Media Matters, MediaIte, these sorts of places, are attacking him for saying that they're going to blame right-wingers.
[01:47:17]  And then they go on to blame right-wingers, thereby proving Alex right for the thing that they demonized him for saying.
[01:47:24]  Right.
[01:47:25]  Oh, what a tangled web we weave.
[01:47:27]  When first we set up to tell the truth.
[01:47:30]  So here's a clip sort of embodying that.
[01:47:32]  Ladies and gentlemen, while we are busy analyzing what really happened at the mystery false flag, we playing Doctor Who behind him?
[01:47:42]  While we're busy watching the White House surrogates come out and say, oh, it's a right-wing Tea Party person.
[01:47:47]  That was very predictable.
[01:47:48]  I was attacked just minutes after it happened by known White House front groups like Salon and others.
[01:47:55]  Known White House front, of course, Media Matters, which isn't actually run by the White House, for saying, hey, they're going to blame it on the Tea Party.
[01:48:05]  And then minutes later, they did in those very publications.
[01:48:11]  I mean, this is the magnitude of, I say, watch, they're going to blame us or they're going to try to.
[01:48:18]  And then they go, look, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist, but yes, we are going to try to blame you.
[01:48:23]  But you're wrong because you're right, and you're crazy because you're right.
[01:48:27]  Okay.
[01:48:29]  Gotcha.
[01:48:30]  So I searched everything posted on Media Matters from the time of the bombing to the point Alex is on air now, and I think I might have a sense of what he's talking about.
[01:48:39]  On the morning of the 16th, Matt Goertz published an article titled, The Worst Conservative Reactions to the Boston Bombings.
[01:48:46]  The first entry was Alex with a screenshot of his Twitter, rest in peace, saying, quote, our hearts go out to those that are hurt or killed.
[01:48:54]  Hashtag Boston Marathon.
[01:48:56]  But this thing stinks to high heaven.
[01:48:58]  Hashtag false flag.
[01:49:01]  Hashtags.
[01:49:03]  The rest of the list is people.
[01:49:06]  I hate living in the age of Twitter.
[01:49:07]  It's a mess.
[01:49:08]  I hate it.
[01:49:09]  At least Alex isn't on it anymore.
[01:49:10]  I really, look, I love, love, love indoor plumbing, but I want to go back to before all of the technology.
[01:49:18]  I just, I'm not for this.
[01:49:19]  It was a bad road.
[01:49:20]  It was a bad idea.
[01:49:21]  The rest of that list is just people like Laura Ingram and Pat Robertson blaming immigrants and Muslims.
[01:49:26]  Right, of course.
[01:49:26]  There's nothing about criticizing Alex for saying that they were going to blame the Patriots or anything like that.
[01:49:32]  There's another post from the 16th titled, quote, Alex Jones and His Enablers.
[01:49:36]  But this too doesn't seem to be critiquing him for saying that the globalists are going to blame the Patriots for the bombing.
[01:49:41]  It just seems to be people rightfully and rightly responding with disgust to how quickly Alex tried to turn a tragedy into a narrative by calling it a false flag.
[01:49:50]  That article probably had him more worried, though, since it was discussing the people who validate Alex, despite him being consistently wrong and a disgrace.
[01:49:58]  That article specifically calls out Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Lou Dobbs, Judge Napolitano, Belzer, and all the other supposedly credible mainstream people who willingly or unwittingly elevate Alex's stature.
[01:50:11]  If I were Alex, I would probably see that as an attack, but it still doesn't fit with what Alex is describing.
[01:50:16]  I really can't find any evidence that Media Matters was condemning him for saying that they were going to blame the bombing on Patriots.
[01:50:22]  I think they were just kind of offended that he called it a false flag within minutes with no information.
[01:50:27]  Yeah.
[01:50:27]  Salon kind of wrote an article like that, but if you actually read it, it's more just an article that's like, look at this asshole.
[01:50:34]  Yeah.
[01:50:34]  That's kind of the point of that article.
[01:50:37]  Man, Salon, White House front group, which in 213, didn't they still employ Glenn Greenwald?
[01:50:43]  Well, actually, Glenn was working at The Guardian.
[01:50:45]  Ah, that was that.
[01:50:46]  And he actually wrote an article there saying, quote, obviously it's possible that perpetrators will turn out to be Muslim, just like it's possible they'll turn out to be the extremist right or right-wing activists or left-wing agitators or Muslim-fearing Anders-Brevik types or lone individuals driven by apolitical mental illness.
[01:51:05]  He even calls out a few Democrats on Twitter who made suggestions it was a right-winger, along with calling out Islamophobes, insisting it must be a Muslim.
[01:51:12]  His take on it was pretty even-handed, in no way suggests that it was a right-winger.
[01:51:17]  Jank on the Young Turks had a conversation on his show about different reactions people might have depending on who the bomber was, saying that if it was a Muslim, people will call for war, but if it's a right-winger, those same people will say it's just a crazy guy.
[01:51:29]  The conversation's pretty speculative, but it's not at all saying that the bomber was a right-winger or pointing the finger.
[01:51:35]  It's hypothetical in nature.
[01:51:37]  Looking over the mainstream reporting in the immediate aftermath, the day and the day after, I didn't really see a lot of people blaming right-wing extremists at all.
[01:51:46]  There's some suggestion that some such group could be a suspect based on the timing and amateurish nature of the bomb, but all those suggestions were accompanied by disclaimers that we have no idea who was behind this, and it's too early to say.
[01:51:58]  Alex's rhetoric does not seem to match up with the media, which to me is an indication that, like I keep bringing up, he's trying to build premise two of his argument in service of proving his conclusion that the globalists are about to bring this whole thing down, panic, everybody.
[01:52:14]  He needs premise two.
[01:52:15]  So even if the media doesn't do what he's predicted they will, he's going to go out of his way to make it look how he needs it to.
[01:52:23]  On a very basic level, this is purely designed to cause panic and fear and put his audience in a near-apocalyptic state.
[01:52:29]  And it's disgusting to see someone respond to a legitimate tragedy like this because it's very unhealthy.
[01:52:36]  And to see him use this, like, these outlets are responding to what I did like humans might, saying this guy's a fucking asshole.
[01:52:46]  And then they blame the Patriots.
[01:52:48]  Like, adding that wrinkle into it to sort of invalidate other people's correct criticism of you is just even worse.
[01:52:56]  Like, all this is just a psychodrama he's forcing on his audience.
[01:53:00]  And it's bad.
[01:53:03]  What always kind of weirds me out about these idiots whenever they're talking about like, oh, it's Muslim terrorism or anything like that, is then they just try and inspire more fear in their audience, which that's the whole point of a terrorist attack is to make people afraid.
[01:53:22]  So why are you, so if you're saying that you're condemning them, but then exploiting it and playing into their hands?
[01:53:31]  Strange dynamics.
[01:53:33]  It seems like you guys have a almost symbiotic relationship as opposed to an antithetical one.
[01:53:40]  It's weird how that works.
[01:53:41]  It is kind of weird how that works.
[01:53:42]  But really, Alex, like, to himself, he thinks that all he's doing is asking questions and being a journalist, trying to get to the bottom of the shit.
[01:53:51]  Sure.
[01:53:52]  Because he doesn't understand what a journalist does.
[01:53:54]  So there's that.
[01:53:55]  But you can see that that's not the case.
[01:53:57]  And you can see in this next clip that what he's doing is using all of the narratives that he had built up over the past couple months and applying them to the current situation.
[01:54:07]  You see, none of us are allowed to be involved in the narrative.
[01:54:10]  None of us are allowed to speculate, ask questions.

=== Evidence Twists and Drills (15:50) ===

[01:54:12]  Like, gee, it's Patriots Day in Boston.
[01:54:16]  Gee, do you think they're going to try to blame a right-wing group?
[01:54:20]  They were only putting out Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL memos last month saying domestic terror attacks are imminent.
[01:54:28]  We warned you right before the Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:54:31]  We warned Bill Clinton.
[01:54:34]  And now we're warning you, Obama.
[01:54:36]  The attacks are imminent.
[01:54:38]  You can look that up.
[01:54:39]  And you've got all these dramas and sitcoms in movies with propaganda placement saying the Tea Party is going to bomb people at public events and they're the new enemy, not al-Qaeda.
[01:54:51]  And then you have this happen where the country started.
[01:54:54]  We're the Revolutionary War.
[01:54:56]  We're 1776.
[01:54:57]  Started in 1775.
[01:54:59]  Lexington, Concord, Boston.
[01:55:03]  Patriots Day, April 15th, in Boston.
[01:55:06]  The real Patriots Day is the 19th.
[01:55:09]  Stuart Rhodes is on his way there driving right now.
[01:55:12]  He's going to be joining us later in the broadcast.
[01:55:14]  He stopped him.
[01:55:16]  And he's like, oh, yeah, false flag all over it.
[01:55:18]  Oh, great.
[01:55:18]  Stuart Rhodes has chimed in.
[01:55:20]  Thanks, Stuart.
[01:55:21]  Leader of the Oath Keepers.
[01:55:22]  Thanks, Stu.
[01:55:24]  But you see this also.
[01:55:25]  Who does Alex go to immediately when there's a need?
[01:55:29]  I don't know, a right-wing lunatic who might bomb something?
[01:55:32]  Well, consider him an expert.
[01:55:34]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[01:55:36]  You can go to this source.
[01:55:38]  What you see there is a fine-tuning of the old narratives that Alex had been building.
[01:55:42]  Now that the payoff has come, he chisels them down.
[01:55:45]  Instead of they're going to nuke Chicago in order to blame us, it's they are they'd been saying that uh veterans and patriots are going to put IEDs everywhere.
[01:55:55]  You take whatever is functional out of the myths and the narratives that you've built and apply them to the present situation and pretend all the other shit never happened, all the other dumb bullshit you've been talking about.
[01:56:06]  I really cannot imagine like having a friend who, after the Boston bombing, I could text the question, was it one of you guys?
[01:56:18]  Alex has a few of them.
[01:56:19]  Alex has a bunch of those friends.
[01:56:21]  How wild is that?
[01:56:23]  Yeah.
[01:56:23]  That's crazy to have a bunch of known terrorist groups.
[01:56:27]  Hey, did you guys do the Boston bombing?
[01:56:30]  No, okay, cool.
[01:56:30]  Then I'm going to lie about that.
[01:56:31]  And then fucking imagine who he has like second degree.
[01:56:35]  Yeah.
[01:56:35]  Like just through Larry Pratt from Gun Owners of America alone.
[01:56:39]  Like imagine what kind of contacts that fucking dude has.
[01:56:42]  Yeah, it's pretty weird.
[01:56:45]  You don't need the Kevin Bacon game.
[01:56:47]  No.
[01:56:48]  No, it's a very short phone tree.
[01:56:50]  Yeah.
[01:56:52]  So I have this clip, which is kind of off base a little bit.
[01:56:54]  You know, like it's kind of not really related to the primary stuff that's going on.
[01:56:58]  But I found it very interesting because it's something that Alex does not believe just two years later.
[01:57:05]  And it's weird to hear this.
[01:57:09]  Putin's been caught in 99 planting bombs in a fourth building.
[01:57:12]  When they got caught, the FSB, Federal Security Bureau, by local Moscow police, suburb of Moscow, they said, oh, it's part of a drill.
[01:57:18]  Let us out of jail.
[01:57:20]  So Alex believes that Putin did those bombings.
[01:57:24]  He aggressively denies that in 2015, when he loves Putin.
[01:57:30]  So something changes.
[01:57:31]  So weird.
[01:57:32]  Yeah, very strange.
[01:57:33]  Because he's talking about evidence that Putin did it here.
[01:57:37]  Now, Putin did do it.
[01:57:38]  Not just like, I think he did it.
[01:57:40]  No.
[01:57:41]  He's like, FSB people got caught.
[01:57:42]  He said it was part of a drill.
[01:57:44]  Every time he is correct about something in 2013, we find out in 2015 he changed his retcon.
[01:57:50]  Exactly.
[01:57:51]  But that's part of the argument that he's trying to make: that everything is a drill.
[01:57:56]  There's always a drill that covers up the actual false flag.
[01:58:00]  And we've seen this before.
[01:58:01]  He talked about that in terms of Sandy Hook.
[01:58:05]  It's universal throughout his rhetoric.
[01:58:07]  And he's found out that there was a drill at the Boston bombing.
[01:58:12]  Oh, no.
[01:58:12]  And now what came out Which they're freaking out about and having their surrogates come out and demonize.
[01:58:20]  No one in mainstream media is covering this but DrudgeReport.com.
[01:58:26]  And that's not even early mainstream media.
[01:58:30]  Drudge has a link to this story that is in local news.
[01:58:34]  When I say mainstream national is not covering it, local 15 TV out of Boston.
[01:58:40]  We're going to get to this in a little while, the video of it.
[01:58:43]  A little while?
[01:58:44]  Document Campus.
[01:58:45]  UM coach, bomb-sniffing dogs, spotters on roofs before explosions.
[01:58:50]  Well, now they're not calling him police spotters.
[01:58:53]  Go to Drudge.
[01:58:54]  Now it's the mysterious manhunt for the mysterious man in the hoodie.
[01:58:59]  There were cops all over the roofs in hoodies.
[01:59:01]  We've got the video.
[01:59:02]  We've got the photos.
[01:59:03]  No, you don't.
[01:59:04]  Whatever you have doesn't mean anything.
[01:59:06]  So he does talk about this a little bit later, and before I discuss it, I'll let him lay this out.
[01:59:11]  Ladies and gentlemen, let's go further.
[01:59:15]  Ollie Stevenson, the marathon coach, University of Mobiles cross-country coach who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb-sniffing dogs at the start in the finish lines.
[01:59:34]  They kept making announcements to the participants.
[01:59:36]  Don't worry, it's just a training exercise.
[01:59:38]  Now, our own Dan Badondi said Ali Stevenson on local 15.
[01:59:42]  That is nowhere in the national news unless it's the alternative news of Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv.
[01:59:52]  I remember this being parroted very heavily in the days right after the bombing.
[01:59:59]  And what it was was they turned it into a perception that there were announcements like just before the explosions or in the aftermath that this is a drill.
[02:00:10]  That's how the story gets twisted.
[02:00:12]  And that's sort of the way Alex is presenting it.
[02:00:15]  And like I said, whenever he wants to portray something as a false flag, the only arrow in his quiver he chooses, the one he feels is like unassailable evidence, is to argue that there was a drill going on at the same time as the event, meant to provide cover for the actual attack.
[02:00:29]  If you look throughout his career, it's almost universal.
[02:00:32]  It's part of almost every conspiracy he's ever promoted.
[02:00:35]  And generally speaking, what he does is he finds something that seems a little weird, but only weird because there was a tragedy, and he ascribes greater significance to it than is merited.
[02:00:44]  In this case, he's taken a local Boston news article about a runner saying that there were bomb-sniffing dogs at the race.
[02:00:50]  This is meaningless evidence, as is his supposed pictures of people on roofs and hoodies.
[02:00:55]  None of that proves a damn thing.
[02:00:57]  It's just titillating bullshit.
[02:00:59]  I consulted some running forums to see what kind of chatter there was there in the aftermath of the bombing, and I found a lot of accounts of people who claimed to have been there.
[02:01:07]  Granted, these are just posts on message boards, but they do seem pretty consistent with that they with the situation is that they were told not to pet these dogs and that there were dogs that were there for training purposes.
[02:01:20]  The dogs were being trained, which might seem slightly weird, but that's only because there was a bombing.
[02:01:25]  If it hadn't happened, you just look at that and say, well, I guess it makes sense to get the dogs acclimated to a setting where there's a lot of bustle and noise, tons of people around, and tons of stuff that could distract them.
[02:01:36]  That seems like a tough environment to artificially create.
[02:01:39]  And honestly, I don't think there's any reason to assume that the dogs were there for bomb-sniffing training purposes, more for huge crowd desensitization purposes.
[02:01:48]  I don't understand all the ins and outs of training police dogs, but I can imagine how this might go.
[02:01:53]  Pretty universally, this was the position of people on running forums.
[02:01:58]  The people who were there and actually heard the announcement, it was an announcement not to pet the dogs.
[02:02:02]  Be calm around the dogs.
[02:02:04]  Don't startle the dogs.
[02:02:06]  It wasn't be calm while there's a bomb going off.
[02:02:10]  Even after surviving the bombing, like these people are reporting this, they didn't think it was anything weird.
[02:02:16]  And I tend to agree with them.
[02:02:20]  Yeah.
[02:02:22]  Yeah.
[02:02:23]  I mean, yeah.
[02:02:25]  Yeah.
[02:02:25]  So Alex makes this narrative that there were announcements.
[02:02:30]  Wait, I changed my mind.
[02:02:31]  Nope, that's suspicious as shit.
[02:02:33]  Okay.
[02:02:33]  Okay.
[02:02:33]  Alex makes this narrative out of their announcements that this is a drill and you need to stay calm.
[02:02:38]  And before we break down even a little bit more about this, I want to talk about why this is stupid on its face.
[02:02:43]  Alex is trying to argue that the bombing was a drill that went live.
[02:02:47]  And he's arguing that a piece of evidence is that someone announced on the speakers for people to stay calm it was just a drill.
[02:02:53]  This would tend to imply that the person making the announcement was involved in the drill, since they knew or believed it to be a drill.
[02:02:59]  If they were actually running a drill, they would be doing so to gauge police preparedness or response strategies.
[02:03:06]  And in order to accurately gauge those things, it's important that people act as if the drill were actually real.
[02:03:12]  It would 100% ruin the drill if someone were to convince everyone to stay calm, as it would completely alter the crowd's reaction to what was happening.
[02:03:20]  I guess that could be a good drill if you're trying to test police response to a group of people who don't believe an attack is actually happening.
[02:03:27]  But I feel like that scenario isn't very useful to prepare for in the real world.
[02:03:31]  It wasn't then, but now it is becoming more and more useful as more and more people are not going to believe anything.
[02:03:38]  Right.
[02:03:39]  The idea that someone got on a PA system and told people not to panic is actually some incredibly strong evidence that this was a real bombing.
[02:03:47]  If it did happen, which I don't think it did, it could have been misguided advice, but the sort of thing you would expect a well-meaning person trying to help in a crisis to say, like, everyone calm behind it.
[02:03:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:03:57]  Orderly fashion.
[02:03:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:03:59]  Don't trample everybody.
[02:04:01]  There's a lot of us, and you're going to wind up killing more people if we have a stampede.
[02:04:05]  The reality of someone saying that I would interpret that as evidence of reality.
[02:04:11]  Right.
[02:04:11]  But again, I don't think that's actually what happened.
[02:04:14]  I think it's a misrepresentation of this article.
[02:04:17]  Gotcha.
[02:04:18]  It would still be hard to explain if someone did make that announcement, why they said it was a drill.
[02:04:23]  And like I said, I don't think I need to explain that since I don't think it happened.
[02:04:27]  If you read the actual post in the local 15 news out of Boston, it does interview University of Mobile coach Allie Stevenson.
[02:04:34]  And he says that there were announcements that this was a training exercise.
[02:04:38]  However, there's literally no indication from the text or anything Stevenson says that these announcements happened after the bombs went off or just before or anything.
[02:04:46]  If you read his words and compare them to other accounts of people who were there, he's just describing the announcements not to pet the dogs in a more suspicious way than other people might have chosen to.
[02:04:56]  There were something like 20,000 people running in that marathon, and all of the claims about an announcement that there was a drill or to stay calm all come from paranoid conspiratorial interpretations of comments of this one guy, Ali Stevenson.
[02:05:09]  It's very hard to take this too seriously when there's tons of videos people captured on their phones and this announcement doesn't show up in any of them, when there are literally tens of thousands of witnesses and no one has put forth an account that backs this up other than ones that are like, don't startle the dogs.
[02:05:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:05:25]  And to be clear, I'm not even saying that I'm sure that Stevenson's making anything up.
[02:05:30]  You know, there's a really good chance that people were told to be calm around the dogs.
[02:05:33]  And his comments could make sense in the context of runners being told not to bother these dogs.
[02:05:38]  They're there to be trained and acclimated to high-stress lots of people environments.
[02:05:43]  He might have been factually right, but spoken in such a way that conspiracy idiots decided to read exactly what they wanted to hear from his words.
[02:05:50]  As I look at the information available, it's really hard not to reach that conclusion.
[02:05:54]  This guy spoke imprecisely about being informed there was a dog training exercise going on and to remain calm around the dogs.
[02:06:00]  And Alex and his ilk have taken that as proof that the whole thing was a drill.
[02:06:04]  That's my assessment, and I feel like what this boils down to.
[02:06:08]  Now, in future episodes, there's a big wrinkle about drills, but that will have to wait.
[02:06:14]  Oh, they're power tools?
[02:06:17]  Alex will find a piece of information.
[02:06:20]  I don't know this to be the case from listening to his episodes, but I remember that he finds a piece of information that proves to him drill stuff, and it's far, far more complicated, but we will get to that in the future.
[02:06:32]  Okay.
[02:06:33]  Fucking tease.
[02:06:34]  Sorry.
[02:06:36]  So how do you like Fox programming?
[02:06:38]  Oh, you know me.
[02:06:39]  Cartoons in particular.
[02:06:41]  Big fan of The Simpsons?
[02:06:42]  Okay.
[02:06:42]  I was.
[02:06:43]  Seasons nine through seasons two through nine.
[02:06:46]  Well, the critic was great.
[02:06:48]  Oh, I love the critic.
[02:06:49]  King of the Hill.
[02:06:50]  Fantastic.
[02:06:50]  Sure.
[02:06:51]  Based on Alex Jones.
[02:06:52]  All the characters on that.
[02:06:53]  Absolutely.
[02:06:54]  So Alex wants to talk about Family Guy.
[02:06:57]  Oh, okay.
[02:06:57]  Well, then never mind.
[02:06:58]  Because he has decided that the Family Guy proved in advance that the Boston bombing was planned.
[02:07:05]  All right.
[02:07:06]  Because they showed the Boston bombing in an episode that aired a month prior.
[02:07:10]  Right, right, right, right.
[02:07:12]  I want to get a drill and put it through my brain.
[02:07:15]  Well, how about you wait until after this clip?
[02:07:18]  They had a family guy that aired two weeks ago where the dad, who's a tea party guy, joins the Taliban.
[02:07:25]  Again, that oxymoron that they're still pushing it until people believe it.
[02:07:29]  West Point says it.
[02:07:31]  Army to Crush Tea Party Rebellion Forbes, A.P. Reuters.
[02:07:36]  You're like, that doesn't make sense.
[02:07:37]  It will make sense.
[02:07:38]  Family Guy has him at a subconscious level.
[02:07:42]  It's almost subliminal.
[02:07:43]  We're going to play this coming up.
[02:07:44]  It's up at Infowars.com.
[02:07:46]  Bombing the Boston Marathon at the finish line with two bombs with a cell phone detonator.
[02:08:03]  Fake laugh.
[02:08:04]  That was weird.
[02:08:06]  That's a weird maniacal laugh.
[02:08:07]  That's a laugh that somebody who actually caused the bombing.
[02:08:10]  That's a disturbed person.
[02:08:13]  There's no excuse to talk about the bombing the day after it happened and laugh like that out to break.
[02:08:18]  Like a James Bond villain.
[02:08:20]  There's literally no context, even if you're talking about a Family Guy episode, that I can think of that makes it even close to acceptable behavior.
[02:08:27]  And I describe that as monstrous.
[02:08:30]  Alex is talking about an episode of Family Guy that had been released on March 17th, 2013, called Turban Cowboy.
[02:08:36]  In the episode, Peter has a skydiving accident and meets a guy named Mahmoud in the hospital.
[02:08:42]  Small point.
[02:08:43]  Peter Griffin is not a Tea Party guy.
[02:08:45]  So much so that they actually made an episode that aired on May 13th, 2012 called Tea Peter, where the whole joke is that Peter joined the Tea Party and succeeded in shutting down the government.
[02:08:55]  The whole point of that episode was that the Tea Party is an AstroTurf movement funded by big corporate interests who want to get rid of regulation.
[02:09:03]  Peter learns that and reinstalls the government.
[02:09:06]  He's not a Tea Party guy.
[02:09:07]  That is not a part of his character.
[02:09:10]  Anyway.
[02:09:10]  Well, he's from Boston.
[02:09:11]  Sure.
[02:09:12]  Yeah.
[02:09:12]  Kohog.
[02:09:13]  Yeah.
[02:09:14]  Anyway, in the episode, Alex is talking about, Peter and Mahmoud become friends, which leads Peter to convert to Islam.
[02:09:21]  But, of course, it turns out that Mahmoud is a terrorist.
[02:09:23]  Oh, no.
[02:09:24]  Peter gets roped into a plan to blow up the Quahog Bridge, but tries to back out.
[02:09:28]  The plot gets disrupted, but as the episode is ending, Peter uses a cell phone to call the drunken clam to have them get his table ready, which seems weird because it's just a fucking bar.
[02:09:38]  But the phone is rigged, and it causes the bridge to blow up.
[02:09:41]  Yeah.
[02:09:42]  So that's the gag at the end.
[02:09:43]  There it is.
[02:09:44]  I'm not a Family Guy guy, and I think it's bad use of our time to critique the show's inconsistent messaging.

=== Patrick's Press Conference Mishap (15:20) ===

[02:09:51]  So I'm going to leave that here alone for a bit.
[02:09:54]  How shitty this is.
[02:09:55]  Yeah.
[02:09:56]  The sort of weird muddiness of some of the messages.
[02:10:00]  What's important is the claim that Alex is making.
[02:10:03]  He's saying that this episode predicted the Boston bombing, saying that Peter used the cell phone to blow up bombs at the finish line of the race.
[02:10:10]  And that is absolutely not true.
[02:10:12]  The cell phone was linked to bombs at the Quahog Bridge.
[02:10:16]  What Alex is doing is combining the end of the episode, where bombs are triggered by cell phone, with a cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode.
[02:10:24]  When Peter is skydiving before he has his accident, he says, I haven't felt a rush like this since I won that marathon.
[02:10:31]  And it cuts to him driving through a crowd of people in the Boston Marathon with his car.
[02:10:36]  Gotcha.
[02:10:36]  It's unclear if it was someone at InfoWars or even Alex himself who did it, but someone edited together the clip of this cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode and the cell phone gag from the end of the episode to make it look like Peter used cell phone-triggered bombs to attack the Boston Marathon.
[02:10:53]  It may have been created in-house, might have been, might not have been, but even if it wasn't, InfoWars was the first outlet to widely circulate this, and it's a complete misinterpretation and misrepresentation.
[02:11:06]  The only reason someone would push something like this is if they're desperate to create a counterreality to the one the rest of the world is experiencing.
[02:11:13]  It's an abusive act of media, and Alex should be profoundly ashamed of this.
[02:11:17]  That's fucked up.
[02:11:18]  Yeah, and it's very clear the misrepresentation.
[02:11:23]  And it's clear the intention of it.
[02:11:25]  Yeah.
[02:11:25]  I would believe that it was probably some online troll, but Alex who actually created it.
[02:11:31]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:11:31]  Just trying to cause trouble.
[02:11:32]  Yeah.
[02:11:33]  Fuck with people.
[02:11:33]  And then Alex treated it as real and gave it legitimacy.
[02:11:39]  Yeah, when it comes to Alex and Occam's razor with anything technological, it's better to err on the side of Alex stole it than Alex did it.
[02:11:47]  Also, another important point, even if Alex's complete misrepresentation about this family guy episode was accurate, he still at this point has literally no idea how the bombs were detonated.
[02:11:57]  The initial theories were that they were on a timer.
[02:11:59]  But by the end of April, the House Intelligence Committee had determined that they were triggered by a remote control similar to one you'd use for a toy car.
[02:12:06]  It's really important to look at stuff like this because Alex has already decided that this absolutely was a false flag.
[02:12:14]  And the defense he's giving of his theories are really weak.
[02:12:17]  If you look at them, you find consistent intentional misrepresentations.
[02:12:21]  Misrepresentations that would only be made to try and steer people towards the conclusion that it was a false flag, which Alex has decided already.
[02:12:28]  When you have to resort to that kind of an approach to make your argument, that is a bad sign.
[02:12:34]  Bad sign.
[02:12:35]  Yeah.
[02:12:36]  Yeah, I don't think he's doing a great job so far.
[02:12:41]  His Boston bombing coverage is, you know, I halfway think on the 15th, whenever he got the news that it happened and everybody's freaking out and they tell him that he said that there was going to be an explosion and he was like, oh my God, I did.
[02:13:00]  I halfway think in his head, he's like, the coverage that we're going to do is going to win us the first Pulitzer that InfoWars has ever had.
[02:13:08]  I think it's possible, but I also think that he didn't expect that they wouldn't catch the people.
[02:13:13]  Right, right, right.
[02:13:13]  Like, I really don't think that he had any expectation that he'd have to stretch it out over a day.
[02:13:19]  No, I agree.
[02:13:20]  Like, this, I think that he's lost without a map to a certain extent.
[02:13:24]  Like, he still knows what narratives he has to build and the direction he has to go.
[02:13:28]  But I think he thought that there would be a clear suspect, maybe even arrest within 24 hours.
[02:13:34]  He wouldn't be able to lie about that.
[02:13:35]  Exactly.
[02:13:36]  And that's the territory that he's the best at.
[02:13:38]  He wants there to be an image of what it is they are telling you.
[02:13:44]  And then he can twist it to whatever it is he says.
[02:13:46]  Yeah.
[02:13:47]  Instead, he just has to create, like, this is a drill based on this misrepresentation of this article.
[02:13:53]  He has to say it was a false flag based on, oh, it was on Family Guy before, based on a completely manipulatively edited clip.
[02:14:01]  Yeah.
[02:14:01]  It's crazy.
[02:14:02]  That is interesting.
[02:14:03]  To continue with the wet cement metaphor, the cement can't be wet for too long because then somebody else can run scrape over your initials there.
[02:14:14]  There can't be that much.
[02:14:15]  There can't be such a huge distance between when an event happens and when actual information comes out.
[02:14:22]  Yeah.
[02:14:22]  Because the longer it goes, the more flimsy your bullshit.
[02:14:27]  When you realize the concrete isn't drying on its own, you need to work to dry that concrete.
[02:14:33]  Exactly.
[02:14:33]  And I think that's kind of what he does, you know, in terms of trying to solidify this argument that they're going to blame the Patriots.
[02:14:40]  And I think he's working to try and dry it.
[02:14:44]  Right.
[02:14:44]  But I don't think it works.
[02:14:46]  So I think he does give his audience one good piece of advice based on sort of a fictional reality, and that is that you should never be involved at all in bombing.
[02:14:56]  Drills.
[02:14:57]  Oh, okay.
[02:14:57]  Don't get involved in drills.
[02:14:59]  Most of the time, they're not going to do it.
[02:15:01]  But let me tell you, one out of a hundred drills or so, they're going to blow it up.
[02:15:06]  They're going to tell you, leave it, and then you're going to get arrested.
[02:15:07]  You're going to get dropped out of every time.
[02:15:09]  You're going to get tortured.
[02:15:10]  You're going to get electroshock therapy until you go before the military tribunal and say that you bombed the Sears Tower or you bombed the mall or you bombed the school.
[02:15:21]  I'm going to tell you, it's just like Arlington Road.
[02:15:24]  The professor's trying to stop it, and they trick him to be on the news and then run into the parking garage when it goes off.
[02:15:31]  I mean, they're telling you how they do it right there, okay?
[02:15:35]  I'm getting chills.
[02:15:36]  And I told you this was going to happen yesterday before it happened.
[02:15:39]  I'm getting chills talking about the movie that I use as a reference to talk about this bullshit.
[02:15:44]  They're telling you how they're going to do it, which is poorly and in kind of a slapstick manner.
[02:15:48]  Yeah.
[02:15:50]  So in this next clip, Alex says something that is not good for his present-day lawsuit in Sandy Hook.
[02:15:58]  Okay.
[02:15:59]  And now that our own Dan Badondi in two different press conferences with the police chief, the mayor, and the governor, our own East Coast reporter Dan Badondi, made national news just asking real questions about, hey, now there's the Huvington Post.
[02:16:12]  Boston Marathon bombing brings out conspiracy theories.
[02:16:15]  That means people that are willing to go, hey, there was a drill, and the police say, no, there wasn't a drill.
[02:16:23]  So Alex is taking ownership of Dan Badanti, which in the present day, he is trying to distance himself.
[02:16:30]  Oh, yeah, why is that?
[02:16:31]  Quite heavily.
[02:16:32]  Why is that?
[02:16:33]  Is there any reason?
[02:16:34]  Partially because Dan Badanti, there's a lot of videos of him harassing people in Sandy Hook in Newtown.
[02:16:41]  And Alex doesn't want people to think that he was an employee of InfoWars as much as he was a guy who, you know, we covered stuff.
[02:16:50]  Unfortunately, later in the episode, he says this.
[02:16:52]  It's because you put them on a stand.
[02:16:54]  You pose them real questions, and all of a sudden the mainstream media don't like it because you are fearless.
[02:17:03]  And I know you get homesick with going up to see your son and your family, everybody back in Rhode Island.
[02:17:07]  But as an East Coast reporter, the reports you file every week are just phenomenal, and we're hiring more editors.
[02:17:13]  So he makes it clear that he hired 100%.
[02:17:16]  That's going to be tough for Alex Jones.
[02:17:18]  I argue that he wasn't an actual employee.
[02:17:22]  Good luck with that.
[02:17:24]  So Alex plays the clip of Ali Stevenson, just short for Alistair Stevenson, talking about the situation.
[02:17:33]  Alex adds a ton of spin, and then we learn a little bit about what Dan Badondi did.
[02:17:41]  Now, here's the coach.
[02:17:42]  This is a shorter clip.
[02:17:43]  The full clip's up on Infowars.com.
[02:17:46]  DrudgeReport.com also has it.
[02:17:48]  UM coach, bomb sniffing dogs, spotters on roofs before explosions.
[02:17:53]  And then in the very area, they kept making announcements to the participants.
[02:17:56]  Do not worry.
[02:17:57]  It's just a training exercise.
[02:17:58]  Kind of like 9-11.
[02:17:59]  Stay at your desk.
[02:18:00]  Everything's fine.
[02:18:01]  Or seven, you know, just over and over again, the Aurora shooting.
[02:18:04]  It's fine, it's just a drill.
[02:18:06]  Let's go ahead and now go to that clip.
[02:18:11]  At the start line this morning, they had bombs spotted on the roof of the building, and they had bomb-sniffing dogs.
[02:18:19]  He has no reason to assume that people on roofs are bomb spotters.
[02:18:23]  That's just his own conjecture.
[02:18:24]  So, no, they're on a roof and a bombing happened.
[02:18:27]  Right.
[02:18:27]  So, that means that.
[02:18:28]  Yeah.
[02:18:29]  Coming up and down at the start line, and Melni said there was bomb-sniffing dogs at the finish line, but they kept making an announcement saying to the participants, do not worry, this is just a training exercise.
[02:18:40]  Well, evidently, I don't believe they were just having a training exercise.
[02:18:44]  I think they must have known they must have had some kind of threat for suspicions called in.
[02:18:48]  No kidding.
[02:18:49]  And again, they're lying about that.
[02:18:51]  That is undoubted.
[02:18:53]  And again, we're breaking the real news.
[02:18:54]  We're forcing the real issues out in the open.
[02:18:57]  We're engaged in real journalism.
[02:18:58]  So I salute Dan Badanti.
[02:19:00]  Wow.
[02:19:00]  Salute and Dan Badanti.
[02:19:02]  That is so brazen.
[02:19:05]  Yeah.
[02:19:06]  It is so fucking brazen and frustrating that we're doing journalism.
[02:19:12]  The real journalism.
[02:19:14]  I have a guy there who is saying things that are not true.
[02:19:18]  And that is real journalism.
[02:19:19]  I have a guy who's a pro wrestler yelling at people.
[02:19:22]  And it's exciting.
[02:19:23]  Hey, Dan.
[02:19:24]  So you got a day off.
[02:19:26]  It's a big holiday.
[02:19:27]  Guess what?
[02:19:28]  You have access to your building's rooftop, and you're near the front of the Boston Marathon, the start of the Boston Marathon.
[02:19:35]  Would you and I say go up there, have a couple beers and watch it?
[02:19:40]  Who do you ask him?
[02:19:42]  Anybody could have been on those.
[02:19:43]  Oh, yeah.
[02:19:44]  Just because they're on a roof.
[02:19:46]  But also, to you.
[02:19:46]  They're hanging out.
[02:19:47]  Also, even the idea of there were authorities up there, that makes sense, too.
[02:19:51]  Yeah, of course.
[02:19:52]  Yeah.
[02:19:53]  It doesn't ring to me as suspicious necessarily.
[02:19:56]  And a lot of the stuff that Stevenson is saying in that clip, if you just listen to it through the prism of there was a dog training exercise, where would the places that those dogs be?
[02:20:07]  They'd obviously be at the beginning and the end of the race because that's where tons of people are.
[02:20:11]  No one's at mile 12 or whatever.
[02:20:13]  A lot of people hanging out at mile 12.
[02:20:15]  There might be.
[02:20:16]  It's like the amen corner of the Boston Marathon.
[02:20:19]  So it's still unclear why he's saluting Dan Badandi for doing real journalism.
[02:20:23]  Because he's doing real journalism.
[02:20:24]  And we find out here.
[02:20:26]  We're engaged in real journalism.
[02:20:27]  So I salute Dan Badanti.
[02:20:29]  At both press conferences, he got the first questions down and out, and they just shut the press conferences down.
[02:20:35]  I mean, they were in a grandstand for an hour.
[02:20:37]  You know they were.
[02:20:39]  And the press will have more questions.
[02:20:40]  But Badandi was there going, you were running a drill.
[02:20:43]  You were running a drill.
[02:20:44]  Boston Globe, you were running a drill.
[02:20:46]  You were running a drill.
[02:20:47]  And the governor looked like he was about to have a heart attack and looked so angry.
[02:20:52]  And the media is like, the governor was angry that such stupid questions would be asked.
[02:20:56]  Of course, there was no drill.
[02:20:57]  In fact, it's the media that denies it for them.
[02:21:00]  There was no drill.
[02:21:01]  There were no police dogs.
[02:21:02]  There were nothing.
[02:21:03]  It was everything's fine.
[02:21:06]  So I do think this is really interesting how excited he is about Dan Badandi, particularly considering, like I said, in the present day, he's really trying to distance himself from this dude.
[02:21:16]  And I wanted to, like, I went back and I watched a little bit of Alex's Sandy Hook deposition video and prep for this episode because I remember that Badandi comes up in the questioning about that at that day.
[02:21:29]  And I think I noticed something really interesting.
[02:21:32]  The opposing counsel shows Alex a picture of Dan Badandi, and Alex's first response is to get a huge smile across his face and laugh.
[02:21:40]  He very quickly realizes that this is a strange response, and he regains his serious composure really fast.
[02:21:45]  But there's a good 10 seconds where Alex is looking at this picture of Dan Badondi, and there's a sense of nostalgia in his smile, a feeling of wistfulness for the days gone by.
[02:21:55]  Better times when he could make buckets of cash just sending pro wrestler to go yell at people and disrupt events.
[02:22:00]  I might be reading more into that than I need to or is appropriate, but his big laugh and smile that quickly recedes as he realizes Badanti absolutely did harass the citizens of Newtown.
[02:22:10]  It's a pretty evocative image for me.
[02:22:12]  That transition of, haha, oh, yeah, oh, you're why I'm here.
[02:22:17]  Fuck shit.
[02:22:18]  It's particularly in the context of him congratulating Badandi on this episode for harassing the people of Boston.
[02:22:24]  This image is really, it has a meaning to me whether or not I can prove that my reading of it is accurate.
[02:22:32]  While Badondi was in Boston doing all the reporting that he's doing that Alex is talking about here on this episode, he had an InfoWars microphone that he used for his reports.
[02:22:40]  And in at least one video I can find, he has a laminated press pass, which I can't zoom in on enough to confirm, but you kind of got to assume he got that through InfoWars.
[02:22:49]  He's there in an official capacity, not just as some guy whose videos Alex covered.
[02:22:54]  So Alex's big narrative on this episode about Badandi is that he got two press conferences shut down by asking the hard questions that the media and the establishment couldn't handle.
[02:23:02]  Man, he didn't even describe it like he was asking questions.
[02:23:05]  He was literally just saying, I had a guy go in there and say, you had a drill.
[02:23:10]  You had a drill.
[02:23:11]  Shutting it down.
[02:23:11]  You had a drill.
[02:23:12]  Not.
[02:23:13]  Did you have a drill?
[02:23:14]  He didn't even say, did you?
[02:23:15]  See, man, Dan Badondi brought up false flags and everyone just packed up their shit and left.
[02:23:19]  They couldn't handle it.
[02:23:20]  No, I think it's just like, shut the fuck up, dude.
[02:23:23]  So I've read a bunch of articles about Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick's press conference, which Badondi asked the first question in, but none of them say that the conference ended abruptly after his question.
[02:23:33]  I found video of it, and Badandi asks his rambling, is this a false flag question?
[02:23:38]  And Patrick just replies, quote, no.
[02:23:40]  Next question.
[02:23:41]  The next question that's asked isn't a question that Patrick can answer.
[02:23:45]  It's about whether or not there are specific leads or suspects.
[02:23:48]  After the question is asked, Patrick steps aside and lets the police representative field the question.
[02:23:54]  If you edit the footage just right, though, it kind of looks like Patrick is leaving the press conference after Badanti asks his question.
[02:24:01]  And that's absolute bullshit.
[02:24:04]  Also, it's kind of surreal because as Badandi is prattling on, the camera pans across the stage and Elizabeth Warren is there.
[02:24:11]  I mean, of course she was, but it's weird.
[02:24:14]  But it's still weird to realize she had to listen to Dan Badanti.
[02:24:16]  That is kind of weird.
[02:24:17]  Yeah.
[02:24:18]  That is fun.
[02:24:19]  It's surreal now that she's running for president.
[02:24:21]  Right.
[02:24:21]  Right, right, right.
[02:24:22]  I strongly suspect that this whole thing is about trying to create the perception that the powers that be are afraid of the words false flag being uttered.
[02:24:29]  And saying them in their presence is the equivalent of telling a judge Dubalcan.
[02:24:34]  It's purely an attempt to convince his audience that all these people have something to hide.
[02:24:39]  And that thing is the truth that Alex is disseminating.
[02:24:42]  Alex wouldn't do stuff like this if he were making a real argument.
[02:24:45]  This is pageantry.
[02:24:46]  This is manipulation to trick his audience into accepting a fraudulent version of reality.
[02:24:51]  And it's not something you'd accidentally do.

=== Manipulating Expert Opinions (14:45) ===

[02:24:53]  It's intentional.
[02:24:54]  Because that press conference didn't end after Badanti's question.
[02:24:57]  Of course not.
[02:24:57]  He just stepped aside to allow the police commissioner to answer.
[02:25:00]  But the governor ran away because Badandi's so great.
[02:25:04]  You know, maybe the press conference continued, but the governor couldn't handle it.
[02:25:08]  Yeah.
[02:25:08]  That's why he had his police chief, the fucking enforcer, go up there, because the enforcer's not going to...
[02:25:15]  If he made that argument, it would be closer to real, but he doesn't.
[02:25:18]  He just makes a false version of it that it ended after Badondi brought the truth.
[02:25:23]  So here's another Alex talking about that family guy episode.
[02:25:27]  And I'm going to play some things that are a little bit repetitive, but one of the things I want to nail down in people and really drive home is that he's being repetitive because it's intentional.
[02:25:36]  Like constantly reinforcing the same talking points in order to get this in your head.
[02:25:41]  And Family Guy apparently is a big piece of evidence they have.
[02:25:46]  Now, up on Infowars.com, the Family Guy, this aired Sunday, first aired back in March, Where the Boston Marathon is bombed with not one, but two bombs by the family guy, the Tea Party guy, at the Boston Marathon at the finish with two bombs.
[02:26:06]  So it's essential to lie about multiple things about this in order to make it fit Alex's narratives.
[02:26:12]  Peter Griffin has to be a Tea Party guy in order for him to satisfy his narrative that the media is telling you the Tea Party people are going to turn into Islamic terrorists.
[02:26:22]  That is satisfied by lying about the character.
[02:26:25]  He has this fucking crazily edited video in order to prove the bombing was in the TV show before.
[02:26:34]  It's layers of manipulation that he's using this for.
[02:26:37]  It is kind of fun always watching how many times he can be wrong in one sentence.
[02:26:44]  Usually people need a lot more words to be wrong about four or five things.
[02:26:48]  But he can really condense it down into one sentence.
[02:26:51]  Alex is the champion of that, if nothing else.
[02:26:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:26:55]  That's a talent.
[02:26:55]  Yeah, you got to give it up to him like the Somali people.
[02:26:58]  Like the Somali pirates, which he is wrong about.
[02:27:00]  So Alex announced earlier that he's going to have Stuart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers on.
[02:27:05]  Stuart!
[02:27:06]  Did you do it?
[02:27:07]  Alex talks about how maligned the Oath Keepers are.
[02:27:10]  And then Stuart Rhodes, who's actually driving on his way to Boston right now for the Oath Keepers event on the 19th, the law enforcement and police military organization that swears to uphold the Bill of Rights and Constitution that they swore an oath to, how incredibly evil that the media has been demonizing and claiming might be involved in terrorism.
[02:27:29]  How do you feel about the emulum?
[02:27:30]  With no evidence they're accused of that.
[02:27:32]  Also, spoiler alert, Stuart Rhodes never shows up on the show.
[02:27:35]  Oh, really?
[02:27:36]  Yeah, which is a relief.
[02:27:37]  Yeah.
[02:27:37]  But, hey, man, no evidence.
[02:27:40]  Need I remind Alex of Matthew Fairfield, the Cleveland Oathkeeper, who was arrested in April 2010 when police found a napalm bomb in his house?
[02:27:47]  Or what about Chris?
[02:27:49]  Sorry, Charles Dyer, who was arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting a seven-year-old and was found to be in possession of a fucking grenade launcher.
[02:27:56]  There's plenty of evidence that the Oath Keepers are not just some troop of do-gooders out there trying to uphold the Constitution.
[02:28:03]  Absolutely not.
[02:28:04]  Now, maybe some of them are.
[02:28:05]  Certainly, you know, just these actions of these couple people isn't demonstrative of everybody in the group, but their ranks definitely have included people who seem to have been plotting or actually doing some horrible shit.
[02:28:18]  And Alex turns a blind eye to that.
[02:28:21]  Hey, no, that's no big deal.
[02:28:22]  That's lone actors.
[02:28:24]  They're actually plants.
[02:28:25]  The FBI puts it.
[02:28:26]  Fucking news.
[02:28:26]  The FBI put them in the Oath Keepers to demonize the Oath Keepers because that's how they do it.
[02:28:33]  I'm sure Alex would say that if Bush came to show.
[02:28:36]  100%.
[02:28:37]  So earlier in the episode, he said, you know, the media is all saying that it's right-wingers are to blame.
[02:28:43]  They're pointing the finger at the Tea Party libertarians.
[02:28:46]  You've seen all the clips.
[02:28:48]  All of them.
[02:28:48]  And so at that point, I didn't have much to go on.
[02:28:50]  But at this point, he starts laying out a couple of specifics.
[02:28:54]  And now we get to see how well he is doing, reinforcing premise two, that the media is blaming the right-wingers.
[02:29:03]  And his first one, I regret to inform you, is weak.
[02:29:06]  CNN National Security Analyst.
[02:29:08]  Now, see, I'm a koop for saying this, but one hour later, CNN national security analysts warns of right-wing extremists behind Boston bombings.
[02:29:15]  Boom.
[02:29:16]  And we have a video clip of that we're going to do in a minute.
[02:29:19]  So he's referring to here an interview on CNN that Jake Tapper did with security analyst Peter Bergen.
[02:29:28]  Allow me to read to you from a media article that Alex has referenced.
[02:29:32]  Quote, CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen told host Jake Tapper on Monday that the explosions in Boston could be the work of al-Qaeda terrorists as much as they could have been a planned assault by right-wing extremists.
[02:29:44]  That is not blaming right-wing extremists.
[02:29:46]  That is saying that either of those sorts of terrorism were possibilities, and the situation is still unfolding.
[02:29:53]  Legitimately, listen to this.
[02:29:54]  Quote, Bergen said that hydrogen peroxide, a hydrogen peroxide device, would signal that foreign-based terrorist groups are behind the attack.
[02:30:02]  However, if there was another explosive used, that may signal right-wing terrorists were involved.
[02:30:08]  Quote, we've seen a number of failed bombing attempts by Al-Qaeda, Bergen cautioned, but we've also seen other extremist groups.
[02:30:14]  Right-wing groups trying to attack, for instance, trying to attack the Martin Luther King parade in Oregon in 2010.
[02:30:21]  He said that he thinks that hydrogen peroxide bomb was more likely used here, signaling that Bergen believes that foreign-based terror groups are likely or are more likely behind this.
[02:30:32]  So even this article and this interview that the CNN analyst said, based on what he believes the bomb to be, he believes that foreign actors are more likely.
[02:30:42]  So this does not work.
[02:30:44]  Yeah.
[02:30:45]  Another thought I just had that I have pointed to that I've like aren't they both right-wing terror?
[02:30:56]  It's debatable.
[02:30:57]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:30:58]  I understand what you're saying, but you know what I mean?
[02:30:59]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:31:01]  Like the government that ISIS set up wouldn't be considered a liberal safe haven.
[02:31:05]  You know what I mean?
[02:31:05]  I see the point you're making.
[02:31:06]  They do mean different things.
[02:31:07]  I know they mean different things, but they mean more the same thing than they do differently.
[02:31:11]  File this underlying file this under the heading of they have more in common than a yeah, that's that's what I was thinking.
[02:31:18]  But that actual article that Alex is talking about there, which he's presenting as the media blaming the Patriots and the Tea Party, comes to the conclusion that foreign-based terror groups are more likely behind the attack than right-wingers.
[02:31:29]  His source literally and completely contradicts his narrative, but it doesn't matter.
[02:31:34]  Bergen entertained the possibility that Alex's militia weirdo buddies might be suspects.
[02:31:40]  And any insinuation that right-wing terrorism exists is really just a plot to demonize the good guy Patriots in an attempt to start a civil war or something.
[02:31:47]  Yeah, it doesn't matter if he's blaming the Boston bombing on right-wing terrorism.
[02:31:53]  He's mentioning that right-wing terrorism exists.
[02:31:56]  Yeah.
[02:31:56]  And that's more than enough for him to be like, well, maybe he's not blaming you for this one, but he's setting you up to say that the right-wing is doing the next one.
[02:32:04]  That whole thing.
[02:32:05]  Yeah.
[02:32:06]  And it makes me kind of think that there's a possibility that Alex himself believes that right-wing terrorists might be behind it.
[02:32:12]  Yeah.
[02:32:13]  And that there's a feeling that part of his motivation might be preemptive damage control.
[02:32:18]  He's really pushing it hard.
[02:32:21]  If they do arrest someone who's, I don't know, part of a 3% or a group or some militia extremist group or even somebody who was a part of that group, but the group itself wasn't involved, just went on his own.
[02:32:34]  Like this has a real utility in terms of preemptive damage control.
[02:32:40]  No, My worldview was not involved.
[02:32:43]  This is fake.
[02:32:44]  They're blaming it on us.
[02:32:46]  You get the sense when you start to look at these things and you see like, those don't say what you say they're saying.
[02:32:53]  Why are you doing that?
[02:32:54]  And I can't really tell you the why.
[02:32:56]  I have some thoughts.
[02:32:58]  Preemptive damage control is a possibility.
[02:33:01]  Financial motivation is certainly a possibility.
[02:33:05]  Just making himself seem right is a possibility.
[02:33:09]  Well, yeah, that's always a possibility.
[02:33:10]  Which also dovetails with financial interest.
[02:33:13]  There's a number of possibilities, and without knowing his own brain, I couldn't tell you.
[02:33:20]  But it really does feel like there's at least a non-zero chance that Alex probably thinks that it could be a right-wing.
[02:33:28]  Or there's a non-zero chance that he thinks it might have been a good idea for a right-winger to commit a terrorist act like that.
[02:33:37]  Well, we're going to hear later a clip of Alex saying what kind of terrorist attack a right-winger should commit.
[02:33:42]  There we go.
[02:33:43]  That's what it was.
[02:33:43]  It's pretty fucked up.
[02:33:44]  There we go.
[02:33:45]  So anyway, Alex has another headline to establish his case.
[02:33:49]  Boston Marathon, the initial theory.
[02:33:52]  London Independent, they predict it's right-wing extremists.
[02:33:55]  Boom, I'm right again.
[02:33:56]  Boom.
[02:33:57]  So this article in The Independent is just explaining why some people have theorized on Twitter and online that the bombing was either Islamic or right-wing terrorism.
[02:34:07]  It doesn't say that it's either.
[02:34:08]  It's really just what you might call an explainer for possibly non-U.S. readers of the dynamics involved that have led some people to think one of the two groups could be behind the attack.
[02:34:18]  On the right-wing side, they point out that it was the anniversary of the Waco standoff as well as Patriots Day and Tax Day.
[02:34:24]  On the Islamic side, they also point out that it's the 65th anniversary of the independence of Israel.
[02:34:30]  So that date also holds significance for groups all over the place.
[02:34:34]  Honestly, a fair reading of this article would lead you to think that they were making the point that Islamic terror is more likely.
[02:34:40]  The part about the possibility of right-wing groups being behind the attack is just informational.
[02:34:44]  It's just a list of facts.
[02:34:46]  Like this date means this.
[02:34:48]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:34:48]  Whereas the part of the possibility that it was Islamic terrorism includes an interview with a professor of security studies from King's College and references to someone at the Boston Globe speculating that it was Islamic terrorism.
[02:35:01]  There's a bit more weight behind the section about that than the right-wing possibility.
[02:35:06]  Alex, again, I sound like a broken record, but this article is not blaming right-wing extremists at all.
[02:35:11]  But again, to Alex, anyone pointing out that right-wing extremist groups exist, that in and of itself is basically a crime.
[02:35:18]  That's basically all I can see going on here.
[02:35:20]  Yeah.
[02:35:21]  So you got another article.
[02:35:23]  Irish Examiner, right-wing.
[02:35:25]  Expert says right-wing terrorists most likely have bombed Boston.
[02:35:29]  That's how you demonize your political opposition.
[02:35:30]  You bomb stuff blaming on them.
[02:35:31]  Can't beat them fair and square.
[02:35:33]  Stage a bombing, blame them.
[02:35:35]  So that is an Irish Examiner article.
[02:35:39]  This is as close to fair as Alex is going to get.
[02:35:42]  And it's still a long way from being what you might call good work.
[02:35:45]  The Examiner headline is, quote, FBI following up on a variety of leads to Boston bombing.
[02:35:50]  And then it discusses some of those leads.
[02:35:53]  They reference a counter-terrorism expert named Richard Barrett, who says that, quote, the incident had hints of a right-wing attack.
[02:36:00]  But he also says, quote, it was too early to say who was to blame for the marathon blasts.
[02:36:06]  The article isn't about who did the attack, really, or even pointing blame.
[02:36:10]  It's about how the FBI is getting a ton of tips and working through them.
[02:36:14]  Inasmuch as the article does contain an expert saying it was too early to say who did it, but he suspects it could be right-wing extremists, fine.
[02:36:21]  If Alex wants to base this conspiracy of patriot demonization on a bunch of shit he's lying about in an article in the Irish Examiner, he's more than welcome to.
[02:36:30]  But I will say this is thin fucking broth.
[02:36:32]  Yeah.
[02:36:34]  The problem I have with it the most is that every expert, that everybody, every reporter that went for a quote, every one of them is looking for you to speculate.
[02:36:47]  Every single one of them wants you.
[02:36:50]  Doesn't matter if you have proof, doesn't matter.
[02:36:51]  They want that for the article.
[02:36:53]  Because you need it.
[02:36:54]  Because it's going to be so much better for your article than writing another article.
[02:36:58]  Still don't know what's going on.
[02:36:59]  You want an article that says this such and such expert.
[02:37:03]  And then whenever they tell you, well, it could be this or it could be that, then you say.
[02:37:07]  Even in the absence of information for too long, even professionals will resort to tactics that are uncautionable.
[02:37:14]  course i think that's kind of i mean you still got it Again, you can't write the same story three days in a row, still no idea what's going on.
[02:37:22]  Diminishing returns from that.
[02:37:25]  So Alex has some more headlines, and I have bad news about these headlines.
[02:37:29]  CNN National Security Analyst warns of right-wing extremists behind Boston bombings.
[02:37:34]  Town hall, boom, Breitbart.
[02:37:37]  Same headline.
[02:37:38]  Town hall.
[02:37:39]  So that town hall, boom, Breitbart.
[02:37:43]  All of that is the same thing from that Mediaite article where the guy said that based on the hydrogen peroxide bomb that I believe it to be, foreign terror is more likely.
[02:37:55]  So he's used that three times in this list of articles.
[02:37:59]  They all are about the same interview with Jake Tapper on CNN.
[02:38:03]  This is how he does this.
[02:38:04]  This is how he creates the illusion of there being tons of people saying that the Patriots are to blame when three are the same source that doesn't say that.
[02:38:16]  That is why the right-wing's media severe is so powerful.
[02:38:22]  They're so good at that.
[02:38:24]  They created this, I mean, monolithic, unstoppable force of reinforcement just because they can always create that feedback.
[02:38:33]  Luke, one guy on CNN says something one time: Town Hall, fucking Fox News, Breitbart, fucking name it.
[02:38:43]  They'll all write a story about it, and then they'll all reference how so many people are writing stories that it must be a bunch of different things going on.
[02:38:50]  Like, it's brilliant and evil and going to end the world, but you got to give it up to the Somali pirates.
[02:38:57]  And all of this is to reinforce premise two in the argument.
[02:39:01]  That's all this is doing.
[02:39:03]  And I know that I probably sound like I'm making too big of a point of the construction of this argument, but it's how Alex set things up in the immediate minutes and maybe like half hour after news of the bomb broke.
[02:39:16]  He established it almost as a thesis.
[02:39:19]  And in this next clip, he reiterates it after he's already done this manipulative, disingenuous work to establish premise B or premise two.

=== Reframing The Argument: Civil War Solution (03:07) ===

[02:39:27]  He now gets back to trying to reframe the argument now that he has the second premise with him.
[02:39:35]  Now, ladies and gentlemen, they are setting up to have these all over the country.
[02:39:39]  If we accept this, get into the fear, the media is hyping it.
[02:39:42]  This is the whole paradigm shift to go into total martial law to stop the Tea Party bombing everybody and to get Republicans to apologize for what the Tea Party's done.
[02:39:51]  If they blame it on the Tea Party and Republicans apologize, it's over.
[02:39:56]  Total communist takeover, run by foreign offshore banks.
[02:39:59]  So now you see how this works.
[02:40:01]  He's now, he feels like he's established that premise, so he changes the argument.
[02:40:07]  Now it's about if they blame the Patriots, which he feels like he's established.
[02:40:12]  So that is there.
[02:40:15]  If they do that and we allow it to happen, we accept it, we don't fight it, then it's all over.
[02:40:24]  So now you've shifted things.
[02:40:25]  You've created the presentation that your first argument was right.
[02:40:28]  You move it to now we fight this.
[02:40:31]  That's how this works.
[02:40:32]  This is the moving of the intention.
[02:40:35]  Yeah.
[02:40:36]  Well, the other thing, though, is he added another caveat that the Republicans have to also apologize for the Tea Party.
[02:40:43]  Well, see, now that I find to be illuminating, that he doesn't, his framing of it is an if-then.
[02:40:53]  And of course, the solution that we're going for is to start a civil war or whatever.
[02:40:59]  More or less.
[02:40:59]  You know, more or less, right?
[02:41:00]  Yeah.
[02:41:01]  But he doesn't actually want a civil war.
[02:41:03]  No.
[02:41:04]  So every time he believes he's proven an argument, he's going to have to add another little caveat so people don't actually follow through with the whole civil war.
[02:41:13]  Obviously, and it sort of indicates exactly what the goal he wants is when he shifts this narrative or this argument from its original form to now including the right wing and the GOP not apologizing for the Tea Party.
[02:41:28]  What he's more saying is, I want my weirdo extremist friends to be more ascendant within the GOP.
[02:41:37]  I want them to be accepted.
[02:41:38]  And if they are not accepted and they allow this demonization that I'm imagining is happening to stand, then it's all over.
[02:41:47]  I mean, and it's so similar to the way the way he treats the NRA or the way the NRA works in the GOP as well, where it's like, don't give an inch.
[02:41:56]  Don't give an inch.
[02:41:58]  Not one single inch.
[02:41:59]  This is a little bit of a million inches.
[02:42:01]  Well, yeah, but I mean, the point being that no GOPer, not one, can come out and say that a white person is capable of evil.
[02:42:11]  No one.
[02:42:13]  Not one of them.
[02:42:14]  They could in 2013, probably.

=== False Flag Suspicions (15:15) ===

[02:42:17]  But not for Alex.
[02:42:18]  Right.
[02:42:18]  Oh, really?
[02:42:19]  Because for them, that's going to be his new litmus test.
[02:42:25]  And that's blaming the right-wingers for anything.
[02:42:29]  Right.
[02:42:30]  It does track like that.
[02:42:31]  And you see that in the way that this is sort of shifting a little bit.
[02:42:35]  Right.
[02:42:35]  So in this next clip, Alex has started taking calls.
[02:42:39]  Oh, good.
[02:42:40]  That's what I want to hear.
[02:42:41]  I want to hear InfoWarrior's response to the Boston bombing.
[02:42:44]  Thank God.
[02:42:45]  As you'll recall, he wanted critical info.
[02:42:48]  Yeah.
[02:42:48]  Critical intel.
[02:42:49]  Crowdsource lies.
[02:42:51]  So here's the first bit of that.
[02:42:53]  Let's go to Eddie in Texas.
[02:42:55]  Says his friend is a Fed has intel.
[02:42:58]  Eddie, you're on the air.
[02:42:59]  Go ahead.
[02:43:00]  Hey, Alex.
[02:43:01]  Yeah, I was just sitting here, and a buddy of mine, he has a federal job, and he told me, I got to stop by your shop.
[02:43:09]  And I said, sure, why not?
[02:43:10]  So he comes over here and he tells me, you know, we talk about the bombing and whatnot.
[02:43:14]  And then he tells me, okay, there's reasons I can't give you, but I feel bad if I didn't give you a warning.
[02:43:21]  Buy as much ammo as you can.
[02:43:23]  The only thing I can tell you is buy as much ammo as you can.
[02:43:27]  His friend in the Pentagon is not, he will not give me any critical information as to why, but he just told me, buy as much ammo as you can, double it.
[02:43:38]  I don't care if you have 21 shotguns or whatever, you double that by the end of the month.
[02:43:45]  Wow, so you talked to your source, and he said his friend just said, get as much ammo as you can.
[02:43:52]  That's exactly what he said.
[02:43:53]  And I told him, did they declare martial law in Boston?
[02:43:57]  He said, no, they declared a state of emergency.
[02:43:59]  It's different.
[02:44:00]  And I said, well, you know, I heard different things.
[02:44:02]  And he said, all I'm going to tell you and all I'm authorized to tell you is the same thing I've been telling you.
[02:44:07]  Buy more ammo.
[02:44:09]  Which is something that Alex has been saying on his show for a really long time, which is suspicious.
[02:44:15]  I would say that this caller, who has a friend who heard from somebody else, is repeating third-hand information.
[02:44:23]  And no matter what he said is hearsay, there is no use for this being aired on the show.
[02:44:29]  There is no use for this to be treated as credible information.
[02:44:33]  Sure.
[02:44:33]  And especially when the message of it is like stash weaponry.
[02:44:39]  Like when that is the message that is coming from this lacking credibility source, all you're doing is scaring people.
[02:44:46]  All you're doing is creating the perception that inevitably, really soon, war with the government is breaking out.
[02:44:53]  Yeah.
[02:44:53]  Yeah.
[02:44:54]  And the Pentagon is the root of this phone tree, as it were.
[02:44:59]  And so that's the army.
[02:45:00]  The army is going to be against you.
[02:45:04]  So get fucking ammo.
[02:45:06]  Yeah.
[02:45:06]  I mean, it could also just be like the price of ammo is going to go up soon.
[02:45:10]  You know, gold going down about 7%.
[02:45:14]  You know, you figure ammo is going to go up.
[02:45:16]  Spend a little money on ammo.
[02:45:18]  Put it aside.
[02:45:18]  I feel like this would be slightly differently.
[02:45:21]  Nah, I'm going to go with invest in ammo, my friend.
[02:45:23]  All right.
[02:45:24]  We'll allow that as the most generous reading of this.
[02:45:27]  So that's one source that we got.
[02:45:29]  Alex goes back to the calls and he gets another source who I think is crazy.
[02:45:34]  I'm going to tell you exactly what's happening.
[02:45:37]  Martial art is coming in a couple of days.
[02:45:40]  Sure.
[02:45:41]  The next thing is in the video.
[02:45:44]  I should be really clear.
[02:45:45]  This caller identified himself as a member of the Marines and that he has high-level information.
[02:45:52]  So it's not just someone talking.
[02:45:53]  He's presenting this as actual intelligence.
[02:45:56]  Is there a reason he sounds a little bit like Larry Nichols?
[02:45:58]  It's not.
[02:45:59]  It's not raspy enough.
[02:46:00]  Oh, okay.
[02:46:02]  Two seconds before the blast.
[02:46:05]  And Intel.
[02:46:08]  The lady with the black shirt, black shorts, she's the last one to cross the finish line before the bombs go off.
[02:46:15]  She did it.
[02:46:15]  The four first letters are 1979.
[02:46:20]  He did it.
[02:46:21]  And it's very important.
[02:46:22]  Who's Billy Corgan?
[02:46:24]  Every historical event in 1979 leads up to what has started in January and leads up to December.
[02:46:33]  Margaret Thatcher, she became Prime Minister in 1979.
[02:46:39]  Iran with the hostages in 1979.
[02:46:47]  Also, you have in 1979.
[02:46:51]  Hold on, stay there.
[02:46:52]  Joel Scows is coming up.
[02:46:53]  I don't want to build a fence.
[02:46:54]  All right.
[02:46:55]  Sir, sir, excuse me.
[02:46:57]  First off, thank you for the service.
[02:46:59]  Second, get the fuck out of here, Click.
[02:47:01]  Third of all, you make sense.
[02:47:03]  Couple points.
[02:47:04]  The person this guy is referring to in that video with the black shirt, black shorts, that's not a woman.
[02:47:08]  That is a bald man.
[02:47:10]  Well, it is true.
[02:47:10]  And it's a bald woman.
[02:47:11]  No, it's not.
[02:47:12]  You can tell it's a dude.
[02:47:13]  While it is true that 1979 was on this racing identification number, the actual number is 19793.
[02:47:21]  If you're going to just take 1979 out of that, why not 9793?
[02:47:25]  Maybe that's the year globalists are finally going to unmask.
[02:47:28]  No, come on.
[02:47:28]  That's the flight number of the globalists.
[02:47:30]  He flew in 1979.
[02:47:32]  But I mean, really, this is the kind of thing that Alex is going to let slide on his show the day after the bombing.
[02:47:37]  Sure.
[02:47:37]  A caller claims he's in the Marines and has important info, and it's that this person's number is 1979.
[02:47:43]  That has something to do with Margaret Thatcher and the Iranian hostage crisis.
[02:47:46]  Yeah.
[02:47:46]  What the fuck is he even doing?
[02:47:48]  Great journalism?
[02:47:49]  This dude legitimately might as well be pointing out that Joe Jackson put out his best two albums, Look Sharp and I'm the Man in 1979.
[02:47:57]  Okay.
[02:47:57]  He might as well be telling Alex that Apocalypse Now came out in 1979.
[02:48:01]  Or how about how the happy meal was launched in 1979?
[02:48:03]  Oh shit, the happy meal was launched?
[02:48:05]  See, you're convincing me he's right.
[02:48:07]  You're not convincing me he's right.
[02:48:09]  Or what about the fact that Pope John Paul II visited the U.S. in 1979, specifically arriving in Boston?
[02:48:16]  No shit.
[02:48:17]  Dan, you fucking cracked this case.
[02:48:19]  Drew Brees was born.
[02:48:20]  Joseph Mengele died.
[02:48:22]  None of this stuff matters.
[02:48:24]  This show sucks.
[02:48:26]  This is the stupidest fucking bullshit.
[02:48:29]  Why did Alex cut this guy off?
[02:48:31]  I don't know.
[02:48:31]  But you know what?
[02:48:32]  It hits the commercial and he's like, I want to let you finish.
[02:48:34]  And you thought that that meant he's going to hang up on this guy.
[02:48:37]  It does not.
[02:48:38]  No.
[02:48:38]  He goes back to him.
[02:48:39]  That can't be real.
[02:48:40]  Here's how this goes when he gets back.
[02:48:42]  Stop it.
[02:48:43]  So, real briefly, cut to the chase there, Dave.
[02:48:46]  Is this something you speculate on on the messages they like to leave calling cards like the Yaser Spage?
[02:48:52]  Or is this intel you're getting from your sources in the Marine Corps?
[02:48:56]  This is intel that we get from the Marine Corps.
[02:49:01]  This is a domestic false flag.
[02:49:04]  It's not international.
[02:49:06]  The building did not blow up.
[02:49:08]  That was international.
[02:49:12]  This is all domestic.
[02:49:13]  This is the false flag.
[02:49:16]  There is one more event that's going to take place.
[02:49:19]  It's domestic.
[02:49:21]  And I'll send you an email.
[02:49:24]  But I can't talk more.
[02:49:26]  Well, you're being told by what area of the Marine Corps are you in?
[02:49:32]  Good question.
[02:49:33]  I can't tell you.
[02:49:35]  Well, I mean, specifically, though, you know, sometimes they tell you guys stuff that i is going to happen, but it really doesn't.
[02:49:40]  But you're being told that within days there's going to be an event that triggers martial law.
[02:49:45]  Yeah.
[02:49:46]  Yeah.
[02:49:47]  Good work.
[02:49:49]  I just watched Price of Oil.
[02:49:53]  Also, a certain empathy.
[02:50:00]  Well, I noticed that gold imploded yesterday.
[02:50:02]  The stock market went down big time, and then all this started.
[02:50:05]  Big of things afoot with Iran, big things afoot with North Korea.
[02:50:09]  A very bizarre time.
[02:50:11]  Thank you so much for the call, sir.
[02:50:12]  God bless you.
[02:50:13]  That caller sounds very credible.
[02:50:14]  Sounds very credible.
[02:50:17]  1979 credible.
[02:50:20]  That is incredible.
[02:50:23]  That guy sounds so credible, Dad.
[02:50:25]  Right.
[02:50:25]  Doing a little numerology on us.
[02:50:28]  I think that this is actually like a really good gamble to make if you're someone who's just spreading bullshit.
[02:50:34]  And that is that there will be another event within a couple of days because you've got to assume it's now the next day.
[02:50:39]  They have no real leads of who did this.
[02:50:42]  There's got to be a manhunt.
[02:50:43]  Yeah, because you've got to assume that if this person was part of a terrorist organization, there's a chance there will be another bombing.
[02:50:50]  Of course.
[02:50:50]  And that could be what you're referring to here.
[02:50:53]  Or there's a manhunt that's going to have to go on, and that could get pretty fucking scary for a little bit.
[02:51:00]  So whatever vague nonsense he's talking about, it's a really good gamble to say within a couple days there will be another event.
[02:51:08]  Makes total sense.
[02:51:09]  Doesn't prove any kind of intel.
[02:51:11]  Now, Alex says that he sounds credible.
[02:51:14]  Immediately, Alex gets on the phone with Joel Skousen.
[02:51:17]  Who also sounds credible.
[02:51:19]  Sure.
[02:51:19]  Skousen comes in, and he is like, I listened to that last caller, and I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
[02:51:25]  The Marines don't, like, that information wouldn't flow down.
[02:51:30]  I literally wrote that down.
[02:51:32]  I was like, fuck off.
[02:51:33]  What are you, a fucking five-star general?
[02:51:36]  What are you talking about?
[02:51:36]  Yeah.
[02:51:37]  Skousen's like, that's not the kind of leak you would expect to hear.
[02:51:40]  And Alex immediately turns on all his callers.
[02:51:45]  He immediately is like, oh, these people are trolling.
[02:51:49]  Like, whereas you heard it right there, his immediate reaction is, this guy sounds so credible.
[02:51:53]  So credible.
[02:51:53]  Because Skousen insulted him, Alex is like, no, none of these people make sense.
[02:51:58]  Jesus Christ.
[02:51:59]  So anyway, fuck Skousen.
[02:52:00]  But here's his take on it immediately.
[02:52:03]  Joel Skousen, I think this is just the beginning of something bigger.
[02:52:08]  Well, Alex, it has all of the hallmarks of a government false flag operation.
[02:52:14]  The first and foremost one is they always pick high-profile events.
[02:52:17]  Good analysis.
[02:52:19]  It has all the hallmarks of a thing that I am basically inventing, which means I get to tell you what all the hallmarks of that thing are.
[02:52:26]  So there you go.
[02:52:27]  Yeah, so I mean, his take on it, as is sort of tradition with Joel Skousen, is false flag.
[02:52:32]  False flag.
[02:52:34]  He's on board.
[02:52:34]  He's helping Alex build up this narrative.
[02:52:37]  The rest of his interview is pointless, so who gives a shit?
[02:52:39]  I'm amazed that false flag doesn't have diminishing returns on it.
[02:52:43]  They can't.
[02:52:44]  It does to me.
[02:52:45]  Well, yeah, of course it does to us, but they keep on trotting it out.
[02:52:48]  Yeah.
[02:52:50]  You think everything is a false flag.
[02:52:52]  You could almost make a pretty cogent argument that people constantly calling things false flags only allows the government more easily to commit a false flag.
[02:53:00]  That's a good idea.
[02:53:01]  Because you're crying wolf all the time.
[02:53:02]  Exactly.
[02:53:03]  Somebody who is aware of that and wanted to pull false flags would certainly pay someone to say everything is a false flag to make it cheapen.
[02:53:10]  Right.
[02:53:11]  I'm not saying that's the case, but a conspiracy theory might point the finger at Alex and say that that's what he's doing.
[02:53:15]  Right.
[02:53:16]  Well, in the same way that if I were like, this would be a great time for Iran to attack somebody because fucking Trump says everything is done by Iran.
[02:53:27]  Why would I believe anything that Pompeo says about what Iran does?
[02:53:31]  You know, like, you guys are fucking lying so much they can get away with it because you're giant fucking liars.
[02:53:36]  Yeah.
[02:53:37]  So Alex is talking about this being a false flag.
[02:53:39]  And like I said, he's totally decided this already is.
[02:53:43]  And he compares false flags to the human sacrifices of the days of yore.
[02:53:47]  Sure.
[02:53:48]  Old civilizations would commit human sacrifices, whereas globalists use false flags.
[02:53:53]  And Alex says something that just he has a flight of fancy that I just find disgusting.
[02:53:58]  But of course, it's their whole business.
[02:53:59]  It's a human sacrifice.
[02:54:01]  Our ancestors used to sacrifice people, believing it made the harvest be better.
[02:54:06]  And now they just blow stuff up.
[02:54:07]  And, you know, I would imagine they're like, here, sonny, sit on my duffel bag for me.
[02:54:12]  Okay, Mr. You know, so they can kill the little kid and use them all over the nose.
[02:54:16]  I mean, there's just, of course, they want to kill you with vaccines anyways.
[02:54:19]  Why not kill you now?
[02:54:21]  So we'll get everybody's take on that.
[02:54:24]  And again, I've been trying to get Dan Badanti on, but this Skype's been up and down.
[02:54:28]  I'll tell you my take on that.
[02:54:30]  Go fuck yourself.
[02:54:32]  A child did die.
[02:54:34]  Like, he's not just making up some abstract possibility.
[02:54:37]  He's imagining a cop telling that kid who specifically did die in this bombing to sit on a duffel bag in order to kill them so they can use him for publicity.
[02:54:48]  That's what Alex is fantasizing about.
[02:54:51]  I imagine this is what they do.
[02:54:54]  That's fucking insanely disrespectful to the parents, to the child, to everyone.
[02:55:01]  This is disgusting shit.
[02:55:02]  He should be deeply ashamed of himself.
[02:55:04]  This is not how, like, this isn't asking questions.
[02:55:08]  This isn't journalism.
[02:55:09]  This isn't exposing truth.
[02:55:12]  This is a monstrous person hurting people more.
[02:55:15]  Like, there's no value to this.
[02:55:17]  It's disgusting.
[02:55:19]  I don't know how to put it any more concretely, but this is why this stuff infuriates me more than I expect it to.
[02:55:25]  It's because you hear shit like that.
[02:55:26]  And that's not the only time he uses this flight of fancy.
[02:55:29]  He gets into it a couple more times.
[02:55:31]  It's gross.
[02:55:32]  It's just sick.
[02:55:34]  So Alex goes to his next guest.
[02:55:36]  Okay.
[02:55:37]  A guy named Doug Hagman.
[02:55:38]  Real winner.
[02:55:39]  Doug Hagman.
[02:55:40]  Not the Hagman.
[02:55:41]  From the Hagman and Hagman report.
[02:55:44]  I believe I refer to him as Hack Dugman.
[02:55:47]  Yes.
[02:55:47]  Something like that.
[02:55:48]  That's my moniker for him.
[02:55:50]  In present day, he has a poorly rated YouTube show where he pretends to know things and often interviews Coach Dave Dobbenmeyer.
[02:55:57]  Love it.
[02:55:58]  So he's doing good.
[02:55:59]  Does he have like 30 little screen interviews?
[02:56:01]  He also has Laura Loomer on.
[02:56:03]  Great.
[02:56:03]  Even after she handcuffed herself to Twitter.
[02:56:06]  Oh, but she won.
[02:56:07]  She did win.
[02:56:09]  So he has Doug Hagman on, and in this intro that he's giving for him, we get a little glimpse at somebody who should also be ashamed of themselves for enabling Alex's bullshit.
[02:56:21]  We're going to go to Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network, who did a great job on Coast to Coast AM last night breaking all this down.
[02:56:27]  I'll be on for the full show tonight.
[02:56:30]  Alex, the day after the Boston bombing, after he's been saying all this horrible shit, Coast to Coast is having him on for the entire show.
[02:56:38]  George Norrie, everyone who works at Coast to Coast AM, apologize.
[02:56:43]  Go fuck yourself and apologize.
[02:56:46]  You're complicit in this.
[02:56:47]  I don't think they will.
[02:56:48]  No, I don't think they'll.
[02:56:49]  I think they will, Dan.
[02:56:50]  No.
[02:56:50]  I think we should send them an email, but I don't think they'll reply back.
[02:56:54]  Sternly worded out.
[02:56:55]  Oh, we should also put in the subject line, I saw a ghost.
[02:56:59]  Then maybe they'll read it.
[02:57:00]  Listen, I love you guys.
[02:57:01]  I love everything that you've done.
[02:57:03]  Apologize, you pieces of shit, for this ghost, but also for Alex Jones.
[02:57:07]  Right.
[02:57:07]  This is one of the reasons and one of the things about that show is so fun and fanciful with all of its paranormal talk, but it has a dangerous place that it also occupies.

=== Facts vs. Fiction (15:48) ===

[02:57:19]  And it's by mainstreaming, by platforming, by helping disseminate the messages of someone like Alex Jones the day after the Boston bombing when all of his rhetoric is counterfeit.
[02:57:31]  All of it is people who are primed to disbelieve any mainstream narrative and every alternative narrative.
[02:57:38]  Yeah.
[02:57:39]  So Alex presents his most compelling evidence to Doug Hagman here.
[02:57:46]  Yes.
[02:57:47]  I want to say, in fairness to Alex, which isn't even in fairness to him, like he does constantly evoke past acts, like the 7-7 bombing and Oklahoma City.
[02:57:57]  Sure, sure, sure.
[02:57:58]  The Aurora shooting.
[02:57:59]  And a lot of that is evidence in quotes that he's presenting to reinforce his arguments.
[02:58:03]  But the things are like a lot of it's stuff we've gone over in the past, or it would require way too much time to get into.
[02:58:10]  But I discount a lot of that because I think that's the forest for the trees kind of stuff.
[02:58:16]  But I know that if Alex were to listen to this, he'd be like, they don't even bring up that I talked about 7-7.
[02:58:21]  Sure, sure.
[02:58:21]  And I don't because it's bullshit.
[02:58:23]  Yeah.
[02:58:23]  Here's my response to that criticism.
[02:58:25]  Go fuck yourself, Alex.
[02:58:27]  Sure.
[02:58:27]  So even so, like, you know, if he were to present to Doug Hagman his most compelling argument, you'd expect it to be his most compelling argument.
[02:58:37]  And this is what he's got.
[02:58:39]  But, Doug, the most devastating evidence is that Rob Dew, my news director, I knew it!
[02:58:45]  Constantly argues with his defense intelligence brother-in-law, who is actually pretty high up in it, and he's on the Arnie Marathon team, and he can run 24 miles in his sleep.
[02:58:57]  He was running.
[02:58:58]  He was pretty much fine.
[02:58:59]  And they came over and said, you're dehydrated.
[02:59:01]  We're pulling you out because he was up towards the front, coming up to the finish line right before all this happened.
[02:59:07]  So that's his most devastating evidence is hearsay about Rob Dew's brother-in-law that he's clearly sort of writing his own little embellishments on.
[02:59:17]  That's all you need.
[02:59:18]  Have we confirmed in any way that the brother said that he wasn't experiencing any symptoms?
[02:59:23]  He's not, he's dew throat.
[02:59:27]  He's taken down the whole machine.
[02:59:29]  Such horseshit.
[02:59:30]  Yeah.
[02:59:31]  That's your most damning evidence.
[02:59:33]  That means you've got nothing.
[02:59:34]  Damning evidence.
[02:59:35]  You have nothing.
[02:59:36]  Well, let's get him on the show.
[02:59:38]  You can't.
[02:59:38]  Oh, see, now that doesn't help.
[02:59:41]  No.
[02:59:41]  Well, it does help because you just can say whatever the fuck you want.
[02:59:44]  Sure, it does.
[02:59:45]  Yeah.
[02:59:45]  For devastating evidence.
[02:59:46]  And I assume that if Rob Dew had been able to get a hold of his brother and there were more details that helped Alexander no chance dude.
[02:59:53]  Rob Dew would have been on the show on the 16th.
[02:59:56]  He would have been laying it all out.
[02:59:58]  Alex would have even more details.
[03:00:00]  Instead, it's the same basic story he told on the 15th just now.
[03:00:04]  Like, you know, he was fine.
[03:00:07]  You know, he's a horse.
[03:00:08]  They pulled him out.
[03:00:10]  There have to be so many times where Rob Dew's brother-in-law is just like, even, look, I get it, man, but fucking keep my name out of your mouth.
[03:00:20]  I don't want to be any part of this.
[03:00:22]  Like, that would suck so bad.
[03:00:25]  Yeah.
[03:00:25]  If it's like, oh, no, my sister's husband is an info warrior.
[03:00:31]  Yeah.
[03:00:31]  Fuck.
[03:00:32]  And Alex also brings up that Rob Dew used to be in a band with the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin.
[03:00:39]  I'm like, what?
[03:00:40]  Rob Dew might be way more fucked up.
[03:00:41]  Rob Dew is fucking out of here.
[03:00:44]  Jesus.
[03:00:45]  I don't even know if that's true, but Alex says it.
[03:00:47]  I'm like, all right.
[03:00:48]  So Doug Hagman says something that I think, if there's anything to take away from this episode, I think it's this mentality that Doug Hagman is expressing.
[03:00:58]  I think it's such bullshit.
[03:01:01]  You know, with all of the accusations of saying, well, you can't really say this is a false flag attack or you can't really conclude anything.
[03:01:12]  While that might be a true statement today.
[03:01:15]  What?
[03:01:15]  You know, are we wrong to be a little bit jaded or a little bit gun shy about what we're seeing here with respect to this incident?
[03:01:25]  I wish I had like an air horn to emphasize me telling you to fuck yourself.
[03:01:29]  Yeah, no shit.
[03:01:30]  That's the biggest fucking loser cop-out I've ever heard in my life.
[03:01:34]  What he's saying is, sure, we don't have any idea what we're talking about.
[03:01:38]  But come on, we should be able to jump to conclusions because we've built up a worldview that makes that okay.
[03:01:44]  That is so fucking infuriating.
[03:01:47]  That's all Doug Hagman is saying, and it's disqualifying.
[03:01:51]  That's that's yeah, that's when you stop talking to somebody.
[03:01:54]  You know why that's so unacceptable?
[03:01:56]  It's because this is presented as a news show.
[03:01:58]  Yeah, Alex pretends he has high-level sources, and one of them is Doug fucking Hagman.
[03:02:03]  These two dipshits are sitting on this show that pretends itself to be like it.
[03:02:08]  They don't present this show as like it's just commentary-based.
[03:02:11]  It's just one man's opinion.
[03:02:13]  They do not present it that way.
[03:02:14]  When they spread their shit, they have an expectation that their audience believes them.
[03:02:18]  So they have a responsibility to not fall back on excuses like, how can we not just assume the bombing was the government was a government plot to make our friends look bad when it feels like that to me?
[03:02:28]  Jesus Christ.
[03:02:30]  When you're someone like me and you listen to hours and hours of this bullshit, there's a lot of really maddening things that get expressed.
[03:02:37]  And this is right up there in the upper echelons.
[03:02:40]  Doug Hagman runs a website called the Northeast Intelligence Network.
[03:02:45]  It's not the we said it because we're jaded network.
[03:02:47]  It's an intelligence network reflecting the bullshit notion that he's working off intelligence.
[03:02:53]  I'm probably overly pissed off about this, but it's just such a clear moment that demonstrates how aware these people are that they're running a con.
[03:03:00]  Yep.
[03:03:01]  He's saying, like, yes, these people are right to criticize us for saying that it's a false flag.
[03:03:06]  We do not know that, but we're jaded.
[03:03:11]  Is that your argument then that we're jaded?
[03:03:13]  And see how many people buy it.
[03:03:15]  I would even say the other direction of like they're criticizing us, but they shouldn't be because we've earned the right to be this jaded.
[03:03:26]  Look, you may be right that we're wrong, but you shouldn't say that we were thinking bad about it.
[03:03:31]  It hurts our feelings.
[03:03:32]  We went about it the right way, according to the ways that we've made up that don't make any sense.
[03:03:37]  Again, because it hurts our feelings.
[03:03:38]  Exactly.
[03:03:39]  It's fucking pathetic.
[03:03:40]  It is.
[03:03:41]  They're a bunch of triggered little snowflakes.
[03:03:42]  Right.
[03:03:43]  And I would wish ill on Doug Hagman, but he does a show where he has to talk to fucking Dobbins.
[03:03:49]  So I think he's gotten his comeuppance already.
[03:03:52]  So I told you earlier that Alex would say what sort of terrorist attack a right-wing or a Tea Party or would do.
[03:03:59]  Right.
[03:04:00]  And listen to this fucking clip and consider.
[03:04:03]  This is the day after the Boston bombing.
[03:04:06]  Listen to the way Alex is behaving.
[03:04:08]  There's no real Tea Party person that would blow up people at that.
[03:04:12]  They'd attack the UN or something.
[03:04:14]  We'll be right back.
[03:04:15]  Why does nobody ever do that, by the way?
[03:04:16]  We'll be right back.
[03:04:17]  What?
[03:04:18]  What the fuck?
[03:04:19]  What?
[03:04:20]  Why doesn't anyone ever blow up the UN building?
[03:04:24]  Oh, boy.
[03:04:25]  I think a very few reasons.
[03:04:27]  I think a very ungenerous but not totally unreasonable reading of that is: hey.
[03:04:33]  I wish they had blown up the UN instead of the Boston bombing.
[03:04:36]  Now, a true right-winger would go and blow up the UN building.
[03:04:40]  Jesus Christ.
[03:04:40]  Now, that's not necessarily directing your listeners to go put a bomb at the UN building.
[03:04:45]  No, but it's definitely not.
[03:04:47]  Well, I mean, it is saying that if you blow up the UN, you're a true right-winger.
[03:04:51]  And wondering why someone hasn't done it already.
[03:04:53]  Frankly, I think that's the only litmus test for whether or not you're a true right-winger.
[03:04:58]  Jesus Christ.
[03:04:59]  That's.
[03:05:01]  I think that's bad.
[03:05:02]  I think that's bad.
[03:05:03]  I got to say, Jordan, we don't often see ID, but I'm with you on that.
[03:05:08]  I think that one's bad.
[03:05:09]  Yeah.
[03:05:11]  So Hagman gets down to his high-level sources that he has and tells the people what to expect.
[03:05:18]  Again, based on my source, I think the most important, if I can say nothing else today for today's broadcast, is expect more and look at these as diversions.
[03:05:31]  And that's pretty frightening as far as I'm concerned.
[03:05:36]  Well said.
[03:05:37]  Okay.
[03:05:37]  Well said.
[03:05:39]  Sure.
[03:05:39]  Diversions from what to do what should you be looking out for if that's diverting you from what's vague enough that you can make it mean whatever it needs to mean to you and I get to pretend I have high-level sources.
[03:05:53]  It's a fun game for everyone to play because they're jaded.
[03:05:55]  Yeah.
[03:05:57]  Go to therapy.
[03:06:00]  Like, seriously.
[03:06:01]  No, you have to pay people to go to therapy.
[03:06:03]  Not much.
[03:06:04]  In this way, they pay you to be aware of that.
[03:06:06]  Go to a fucking doctorate student or whatever.
[03:06:08]  Go to a clinic.
[03:06:09]  Just stop doing this to people.
[03:06:12]  No shit.
[03:06:12]  You're hurting people.
[03:06:13]  No, shit.
[03:06:14]  You're killing people.
[03:06:15]  Anyway, in this next clip, Alex suggests, yeah, maybe it was real terrorists.
[03:06:19]  But if they're terrorists, they have to be Mexicans.
[03:06:22]  What?
[03:06:22]  You do that?
[03:06:24]  That might be real.
[03:06:24]  It might be real terrorists that came over from Mexico.
[03:06:27]  They would cover it up and find some patriot to blame.
[03:06:31]  Exactly.
[03:06:31]  It's almost as if the facts don't matter.
[03:06:34]  It's almost like the facts don't matter.
[03:06:36]  Exactly.
[03:06:37]  You're going to say, to that state, to statement, maybe the terrorists came from Mexico and they covered up.
[03:06:44]  You're going to say.
[03:06:44]  In order to blame Patriots.
[03:06:45]  You're going to say, exactly.
[03:06:47]  Well, and then Doug Hagman says, and it's like the facts don't matter.
[03:06:51]  I agree with him based on everything we've heard in the last about three hours of this.
[03:06:55]  The facts do not matter.
[03:06:56]  They do not matter.
[03:06:57]  100% do not matter.
[03:06:59]  So I told you earlier that Skousen said that Alex's caller sounds like someone making stuff up, and Alex turned heel on his listeners and was like, oh, some of these calls are clearly people fucking with us.
[03:07:09]  You know, that sort of thing.
[03:07:10]  And so now Alex gets into the idea that there's misinformation being spread online because that's the only place that a lot of stuff is getting theorized and posted as if it's real.
[03:07:22]  Sure.
[03:07:22]  So I think if I had to guess, I would say that this is an attempt for Alex to claim authority in that space.
[03:07:29]  By critiquing some of the theories that he hasn't disseminated, he will be able to elevate his own theories above the muck.
[03:07:36]  I think that there's some bit of intention there.
[03:07:39]  That makes sense.
[03:07:39]  He can't really prove it, but it feels like that's what he's doing.
[03:07:42]  But either way, he chooses a post on Reddit that he has decided is a troll post.
[03:07:48]  And this is amazing.
[03:07:50]  They don't want us up front addressing the information.
[03:07:54]  I've never seen trolls going this wild on this many fronts.
[03:08:02]  I've never seen anything like it in my life.
[03:08:06]  And this is the type of stuff getting posted up to Reddit.
[03:08:09]  So that's the introduction.
[03:08:10]  And now he gets to reading the article.
[03:08:12]  And listen to what happens to him as he reads this post.
[03:08:17]  They're going to pin this event on a male late teens to early 20s.
[03:08:21]  And I'd say he did it because he's unstable.
[03:08:27]  And say he did it.
[03:08:28]  He wouldn't say that.
[03:08:29]  And they say he did it because he's unstable.
[03:08:31]  They're going to find firearms and an NRA book in his home.
[03:08:34]  They're going to say he used reloading powder.
[03:08:36]  Yeah, I was thinking that too, to then ban that.
[03:08:38]  For the explosion, and that reloading powder shouldn't be for sale to the public.
[03:08:42]  Absolutely.
[03:08:42]  That shuts down reloading.
[03:08:43]  It's about going after the bullets.
[03:08:46]  He starts agreeing.
[03:08:47]  I thought he was saying that it was a troll post.
[03:08:49]  He did.
[03:08:50]  That's how he set this up.
[03:08:52]  He starts reading it and he finds himself agreeing with the troll post that he is already indicating as like, this is the sort of shit that's getting posted.
[03:09:00]  Well, actually, that's what I was thinking, too.
[03:09:04]  It's insane.
[03:09:07]  It's too.
[03:09:09]  You can't.
[03:09:10]  It's parody.
[03:09:11]  It's him looking into a fucking mirror and being like, look at this idiot.
[03:09:15]  Well, this guy is a handsome fucking man.
[03:09:19]  Yeah.
[03:09:19]  Jesus.
[03:09:20]  So Alex at the this is the last clip of Alex on the 16th because he leaves a half hour early.
[03:09:26]  He does three and a half hours.
[03:09:28]  And then David Knight and Jakari Jackson and new hire Leanne McAdoo take over for the next hours of the show.
[03:09:36]  But this last clip is Alex sort of indicating that he doesn't like that people are saying that the right-wing or Islamic terrorism, those are the groups that keep being brought up as possible folks.
[03:09:50]  Because they're essentially the same thing.
[03:09:52]  Well, but other people have also, like, there have been a lot of indicators.
[03:09:55]  Like, immediately after the bombing, Saudi National was reported to have been arrested.
[03:10:01]  Sure.
[03:10:01]  That turned out, like, he was cleared.
[03:10:03]  He wasn't involved at all.
[03:10:04]  But there was a lot of people who were saying it's the Saudis.
[03:10:06]  Yeah.
[03:10:07]  Like, Alex doesn't even bring that up as something that was being covered.
[03:10:10]  Well, I mean, they did 9-11.
[03:10:12]  Alex has clearly chosen to only hear from sources that are saying it's the right-wing or right-wing extremists or Islamic terrorists.
[03:10:21]  He is ignoring all other.
[03:10:26]  And he's kind of pissed off that that dichotomy exists because there's a fucking third option.
[03:10:32]  And we'll see who they blame it on, but they're already saying right-wing Al-Qaeda, right-wing, who will it be?
[03:10:37]  Right-wing or Al-Qaeda?
[03:10:38]  Not, hey, are the Weathermen back to something?
[03:10:40]  You know, it's just this thing hanging out there so they can project it onto whoever they want.
[03:10:46]  Yeah, maybe the Weathermen got back together.
[03:10:49]  Well, I mean, I think his.
[03:10:51]  It's funny to say that he's talking about the literal weathermen, which he may be.
[03:10:56]  But I think he's trying to say that it's possible that there's an eco-terrorist group as well.
[03:11:01]  He's talking specifically.
[03:11:02]  I know, but you know.
[03:11:05]  According to all reliable sources, no bombing ever carried out by the Weathermen was an attack on humans.
[03:11:09]  It was always property.
[03:11:11]  There were some copycat attacks that were carried out by unaffiliated groups that did kill or hurt people, but the right-wing types, you know, they're pretty consistent in going ahead and blaming the weathermen for those two.
[03:11:21]  Well, of course.
[03:11:22]  Leaving that aside, even if the Boston bombing was anywhere near the MO of the Weathermen, at the time of the bombing, they hadn't been a group for a full 36 years.
[03:11:32]  Alex Jones was three years old when they disbanded.
[03:11:35]  Yeah, I was going to say, how old was Bill Ayers in 2013?
[03:11:38]  He's got to be early 60s.
[03:11:40]  Yeah.
[03:11:41]  This would be like if there was a bombing today, and you wonder why the media isn't blaming the police.
[03:11:47]  And I don't mean the cops.
[03:11:48]  I mean the band, the police, who broke up in 1984.
[03:11:51]  I mean, Stuart Copeland had some amazing drumming, and there's nothing like a good hi-hat staccato to really get you into the bombing move.
[03:12:01]  Sure.
[03:12:02]  That's crazy.
[03:12:04]  Why aren't they saying it's the Weathermen?
[03:12:07]  That's sad.
[03:12:08]  Sad spin.
[03:12:09]  Oh, boy.
[03:12:10]  I do like the idea now, though, of like the weathermen aging are all like old dogs like Tim Allen, and they're like, let's get the band back together for one last ride or whatever.
[03:12:20]  Ridiculous.
[03:12:21]  Ridiculous.
[03:12:22]  So that's the last clip of Alex from the show, but I had two more clips because I want to demonstrate to you that everyone at Infor is complicit.
[03:12:31]  Everyone that I can see.
[03:12:34]  If you are there and you're witnessing this clear misrepresentation that's going on of all these sorts of things and you're allowing this to happen, you don't walk out.
[03:12:43]  I don't give a fuck about you anymore.
[03:12:46]  No, they were just following orders, Dan.
[03:12:47]  That defense has always historically been used and been accepted as a UK thing.

=== Turban Cowboys Conspire (04:27) ===

[03:12:52]  I do not let Leanne McAdoo off the hook that much, but she just started things.
[03:12:58]  So she might be disoriented and confused.
[03:13:00]  And I don't have any clips of her because I didn't listen far enough.
[03:13:03]  Maybe she comes in like half an hour later.
[03:13:05]  But Jakari Jackson and David Knight are very clearly conspirators.
[03:13:10]  They are on board with this.
[03:13:11]  They're spreading the same shit as Alex.
[03:13:14]  They are just as guilty.
[03:13:15]  Here's a clip of Jakari Jackson talking about evidence that maybe this was fake.
[03:13:21]  The Paul Joseph Watson article concerning an episode of Family Guy.
[03:13:25]  And we get people who comment and say, why do you guys reference a cartoon or a video game or whatever else?
[03:13:30]  Now, this particular episode of Family Guy, I believe it's called Cowboys, Turban Cowboys.
[03:13:37]  Turban Cowboys.
[03:13:39]  And in this episode, a family guy, the father, Peter Griffin, is a participant in the Boston Marathon.
[03:13:47]  And it just so happens that two bombs go off in the marathon.
[03:13:51]  So I do believe we have that clip ready to roll with.
[03:13:54]  I'm Bob Costas here with Boston Marathon winner Peter Griffin.
[03:13:58]  Peter, how did you do it?
[03:14:02]  Damn, phone's busted.
[03:14:03]  Maybe I dialed wrong.
[03:14:08]  So you just saw the clip right there.
[03:14:10]  Well, that proves it.
[03:14:12]  Heavily edited clip to completely change all of the context.
[03:14:17]  Jakari Jackson is passing this off.
[03:14:19]  He presents himself as a newsman and didn't even consult the episode.
[03:14:23]  Didn't take 20 minutes to watch the episode itself to see if you're spreading misinformation.
[03:14:29]  All you do is take a fucking video that Paul Joseph Watson posted and repeat it as gospel.
[03:14:35]  You have every reason to either know that you're shit at your job or you're lying intentionally to people to push a narrative and go fuck yourself.
[03:14:45]  Well, I would like to add a third possibility.
[03:14:49]  What if the Weathermen did it?
[03:14:51]  Interesting.
[03:14:52]  Okay.
[03:14:53]  So you're David Knight chiming in there, and here's where he gets his go fuck yourself of the day.
[03:14:59]  They talk about Turban Cowboy.
[03:15:00]  He gets aligned in that episode with an Islamic terrorist.
[03:15:05]  Right.
[03:15:05]  He's a Tea Party guy.
[03:15:06]  Okay, so that all feeds into the narrative that they're trying to get you on because they keep saying that it's going to be your right-wing extremist even yesterday.
[03:15:17]  There are talking points at InfoWars, and it's very clear because one of them is that Peter Griffin is a Tea Party guy.
[03:15:25]  So you see this.
[03:15:27]  You see these people who are, you know, they're doing the job.
[03:15:31]  They're doing the job.
[03:15:33]  It's the day after a national trauma.
[03:15:36]  You see these guys, and they're falling in line and spreading dangerous propaganda.
[03:15:43]  And for that, there is no coming back.
[03:15:46]  You have crossed the Rubicon, as it were.
[03:15:49]  So we get to the end of this, and this is a lot.
[03:15:51]  And I'm glad we made it through as quickly as we did, even though this is long.
[03:15:57]  I expected it to be much longer quite a bit.
[03:15:59]  A lot of podcasts are like, woo, good thing we made it through this quick.
[03:16:02]  It's only been three and a half hours.
[03:16:04]  A lot of people.
[03:16:05]  Yeah, but I mean, it's dense.
[03:16:07]  There's a lot of material, and you see what Alex is doing when you take a second to deconstruct it.
[03:16:13]  And you take a second to see, like, okay, this source doesn't say what he says it says.
[03:16:17]  Why is he misrepresenting that?
[03:16:19]  It all fits into this same pattern of forming that argument.
[03:16:22]  And then, once established, changing the argument to be the, if the GOP turns its back on my extremist friends, then civil war is coming.
[03:16:33]  Exactly.
[03:16:34]  And you see that that's sort of the political radicalization and extreme pushing towards the extreme is kind of what's at the bottom of his agenda and his motivation.
[03:16:47]  Beyond that, Richard Belzer can go fuck himself.
[03:16:50]  Poor Bells.
[03:16:51]  Doug Hagman can go fuck himself.
[03:16:52]  Hag Dougman, get the fuck out of here.
[03:16:55]  Jakari at night.
[03:16:57]  Yeah, everyone at InfoWars.
[03:16:59]  I mean, if you allow this shit to happen, you don't wake up.

=== Disrupting the Process (03:44) ===

[03:17:03]  It's just fucking ridiculous.
[03:17:05]  God, can you imagine being a new hire on a day like that?
[03:17:09]  Like, how long has she been there?
[03:17:11]  He mentioned her like a couple days prior.
[03:17:14]  Yeah.
[03:17:15]  I don't know.
[03:17:16]  It seems like she's new.
[03:17:18]  If that's your fucking fourth or fifth day, it's like, oh boy, I don't know what I'm going to fucking do.
[03:17:26]  I think I would, you would, well, a reasonable person would probably quit.
[03:17:31]  Yeah.
[03:17:32]  Just be like, no, there's no way that this is worth it.
[03:17:34]  There's zero way that this is worth it.
[03:17:36]  I remember episodes of Loveline after like traumatic events.
[03:17:41]  What they would do is they would take calls from people to talk about their feelings about what people had experienced.
[03:17:48]  That sort of thing, because there's a natural help people heal.
[03:17:52]  There's a grieving process.
[03:17:53]  To help people air it out and come together.
[03:17:57]  And that is kind of, I think, while I have some other issues with certainly Adam Corolla's late career, and maybe in hindsight, some of that earlier part of the career.
[03:18:06]  But I think that that's such a good model for how to be ethical and stewards of the public airway in a sense.
[03:18:16]  You have a responsibility when you have an audience and you're a daily live radio show.
[03:18:22]  You can't take the day off or whatever.
[03:18:24]  You have to come in and do something.
[03:18:27]  You have to care and nurture people because if you don't, you're disrupting a process.
[03:18:34]  And Alex is deeply disrupting a process here.
[03:18:37]  And the only motivations can be nefariously political or nefariously personal.
[03:18:43]  And I don't respect either of those.
[03:18:46]  I honestly think there are a bunch of episodes that keep re-upping my hatred of him.
[03:18:51]  It's interesting because I fall into a lull of like these episodes will come up where he's like trying to get people to move to West Virginia because there's no 5G there.
[03:19:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:19:02]  It's like, this is goofy.
[03:19:03]  What do you do?
[03:19:04]  I'm going to buy Greenland.
[03:19:05]  Yeah.
[03:19:05]  Like, this is bullshit.
[03:19:07]  It kind of you lose track of like the villain aspect of it.
[03:19:10]  But then there's episodes like the Anders Breivik episode, like this.
[03:19:14]  There's a number of them along the way, but they really reinforce to me like there's intent here.
[03:19:21]  There is absolute clear, it's not an accident.
[03:19:25]  He's not stupid what he's doing.
[03:19:27]  Some of the stuff that is being done and is being said is stupid, but he's not just Mr. Magoo fumbling around propaganda.
[03:19:36]  This is directed.
[03:19:37]  No, he knows the game.
[03:19:38]  Yeah.
[03:19:39]  And when I say it's directed, I'm not saying someone's telling him to do it.
[03:19:41]  I mean, there's a direction.
[03:19:44]  He's a conscious actor doing this.
[03:19:47]  And it sucks.
[03:19:48]  Yeah, it's not like he has a, it's not like his head of HR is like, now our new story is this.
[03:19:53]  Like, he's the guy who owns the fucking place.
[03:19:56]  So we're done here, Jordan, and we've gotten through the 16th.
[03:19:59]  And I hate this already.
[03:20:02]  And I really dread the next week of his show because this doesn't resolve well.
[03:20:10]  No.
[03:20:12]  And a lot of stuff that does happen does tend towards some of Alex's narratives.
[03:20:18]  Yep.
[03:20:18]  Now, like, them having to have a manhunt for the suspects is the sort of thing that fits Alex's perceptions of martial law.
[03:20:28]  Yeah.
[03:20:29]  But at the same time, what else are you going to do?

=== Hello Alex (00:53) ===

[03:20:32]  Like, the police are put into an impossible situation, but the optics of it work really well for Alex.
[03:20:40]  I just don't, I don't look forward to it.
[03:20:43]  But we will get through it as we get through it.
[03:20:46]  But for now, Jordan, we have a website.
[03:20:48]  We do have a website, Dan.
[03:20:50]  We do.
[03:20:50]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[03:20:52]  We're also on Twitter.
[03:20:53]  We are on Twitter, Dan.
[03:20:54]  It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed, Jordan.
[03:20:57]  You're correct.
[03:20:57]  We're also on Facebook.
[03:20:59]  We are on Facebook.
[03:21:00]  If you'd like to download the show, head over to iTunes.
[03:21:03]  We'd love it if you left a review as well.
[03:21:05]  Yes.
[03:21:06]  Wonderful.
[03:21:06]  And we can be found elsewhere.
[03:21:09]  Indeed.
[03:21:10]  But until next time, Jordan, I'm Neo.
[03:21:13]  I'm Leo.
[03:21:14]  I'm Deziax Clark.
[03:21:15]  I am the juiciest ice cube.
[03:21:18]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[03:21:19]  Thanks for holding.
[03:21:22]  Hello, Alex.
[03:21:22]  I'm a first-time caller.
[03:21:23]  I'm a huge fan.
[03:21:24]  I love your work.