Today, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex Jones in the present day to see what he's up to. It turns out, he's spending his time accusing Antifa of engaging in chemical warfare and talking to his Oathkeeper buddy about how excited they are about the idea of a civil war starting soon.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| Dan? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What is your... | ||
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What... | |
| What bar game are you best at? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
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Do you know pool, darts, shuffleboard, bags? | |
| What are we talking about here? | ||
| Are you secretly a devastating bags player that nobody knew about? | ||
| I played cornhole in college, man. | ||
| I used to hang out with my boys, Chad and Pete. | ||
| That's all I got. | ||
| Not an improv guy when it comes to names. | ||
| No, I've never been too good at those sorts of games. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| I have a cross eye, and I think it affects my depth perception a little bit. | ||
| So, like, darts and bags are particularly tough to figure out the right angle on. | ||
| Now, don't get me wrong. | ||
| If I start having a few, you know, drinking a bit. | ||
| That eye gets uncrossed. | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| It's more I perceive myself to be better. | ||
| I like shuffleboard more, but just because of that fun sand that's on the table. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Aesthetically, I enjoy it. | ||
| I'm pretty good at bowling, though. | ||
| Pretty good at bowling. | ||
| But only when I'm drunk. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When I'm pretty drunk, I'm amazing at bowling. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I stop caring and I start throwing the ball really hard. | ||
| All right. | ||
| One time. | ||
| That's the recipe for success at most things. | ||
| There's only one person who can confirm this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But one time, I bowled a perfect game. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| At Timberlanes here in Chicago. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Technically it wasn't because it started in like... | ||
| I was going to say, I was about to hear a butt covered. | ||
| It started in the fourth frame of one game and then continued into the next game. | ||
| But I got 13 straight strikes. | ||
| Or 12 straight strikes. | ||
| I can't remember exactly. | ||
| But it was the amount that you would need to have a perfect game. | ||
| But it was carried over two games. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It was. | ||
| I was blowing my own mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like eight or nine strikes deep. | ||
| I'm like, what am I doing? | ||
| You're having the Michael Jordan game. | ||
| I'm like, Joe Fernandez, get another pitcher. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Chug another beer and throw a ball really hard. | ||
| Fernandez was just sitting there like, what? | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| So anyway, this is a podcast where I have technically bowled a perfect game, but I know a lot about Alex James. | ||
| And I know nothing about neither. | ||
| Jordan, today we have a very interesting episode to go over. | ||
| I'm somebody who's always fine with being wrong about things, particularly about my predictions. | ||
| I generally stray away from making any kind of declarative statements about things that may or may not be. | ||
| And today's a good example of that, because on our last episode, I predicted that Alex would be out of studio for a week. | ||
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Right. | |
| I figured there's a decent possibility. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Didn't know if it was true, but I made the leap of predicting he would be gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Monday, he's back. | ||
| Historically speaking, the only predictions that are ever true are the ones where we're like, there's no way that we know what's going to happen now. | ||
| That's the only prediction that all of a sudden you've got to give it up to the Somali pirates. | ||
| That's what's going to be right around the corner. | ||
| But we can't predict that. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| That's the prediction. | ||
| We predict... | ||
| The unpredictable. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| So Alex showed up on Monday in studio and did his show. | ||
| And I was having a grand old time preparing a completely different episode. | ||
| Found a lot of really interesting things to talk about that don't suck. | ||
| But, you know, hey, Alex had been gone. | ||
| We haven't done a present-day episode in about a week or so. | ||
| So I figured it is our duty to cover the July 1st, 2019 episode. | ||
| And I'm not looking forward to this in any way. | ||
| I think that, I told you before we started recording, I think that towards the end of this is one of the scariest passages that I've ever heard on Alex's show. | ||
| So, warning if you're scared of things. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| Actually, just three hours of him singing God Bless America on a loop. | ||
| I would take it. | ||
| I wouldn't mind that. | ||
| I would take it. | ||
| I'd be like, you're a little pitchy, Alex. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| But we'll get into this episode. | ||
| We'll get into the dynamics that are at play and all the stupid bullshit that he says. | ||
| But before we get to that, we'd like to take a little bit of time to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
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| Next, Jackson. | ||
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| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I know you're laughing because... | ||
| You put a little stick on Beth. | ||
| Right, because it's the name of a kiss song. | ||
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Okay. | |
| If anyone donates and they're named Shandy, look out. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Anybody out there who might be listening that's named Love Gun, I'm going to pronounce that pretty hard. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| Thank you, Beth. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it so very much. | ||
| So, Robert, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare info war on you. | ||
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| Thank you very much, Robert. | ||
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| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 1st of July, 2019. | ||
| Three days before the 4th of July. | ||
| God bless America. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Such a great day for patriotism. | ||
| Everybody put your hand over your... | ||
| Actually, I'm pretty stoked about the U.S. Women's World Cup. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I haven't... | ||
| Wait, is the final on the 4th of July? | ||
| No, not the final. | ||
| But the semi-final's happening today on... | ||
| We're recording this on the 2nd. | ||
| On the 2nd, yeah. | ||
| And they were in the... | ||
| 60th minute when we started recording, so I don't know how it's going to end. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| I hope it turns out well. | ||
| Our hearts and prayers are with you. | ||
| Women soccer players of these United States. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| They are. | ||
| So, on the 1st, that was Monday, and over the weekend, there had been, of course, a rally in Portland. | ||
| Patriot Prayer and their affiliated groups that had... | ||
| A bit of a shin dig, and the counter-demonstrators were out in force, and shit went down. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We'll get into some more of the details about that as this goes along, but that sets the stage for what Alex has a bee in his bonnet about as we begin this July 1st episode. | ||
| I sense a lot of things are going to be true. | ||
| Oh my god, so many. | ||
| He's going to tell so many true things. | ||
| So many. | ||
| He's going to tell the truth so much. | ||
| So many truths! | ||
| There was a, and we'll get much more in depth about this here after a few clips, but one of the things that came out of the protests and the clashes between counter-demonstrators and the right-wing dum-dums is that, uh-oh, showed my bias. | ||
| The lefty liberal media. | ||
| One of the things that came out of that was a lot of accusations that people were putting quick-drying concrete into milkshakes. | ||
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Yeah, I saw that. | |
| And the premise of it initially was that they were turning them into bricks, that then they could throw at people and injure them. | ||
| Right, because that's how that works, right? | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| And like I said, we'll get into all of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But what's interesting about Alex's narrative about it is that he takes it even further than the... | ||
| They're making bricks in cups. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's on the vanguard of this thing, and he really breaks the case wide open. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to hear a world-exclusive piece of information hiding in plain view. | ||
| There are so many angles to this, but here's the fact. | ||
| I have reviewed, in the last two days, more than 100 videos. | ||
| We're going to be presenting many of them here. | ||
| They're up on Infowars.com and Newswars.com. | ||
| Antifa engaged in more than 20 acid attacks in Portland, damaging the eyesight and eating the skin off of more than 15 people's faces. | ||
| Fifteen people's faces were burned with acid. | ||
| Fifteen? | ||
| This is really, really troubling, Dan. | ||
| Can we get some... | ||
| I assume that the New York Times is all over this story. | ||
| Can't say that they are. | ||
| Well, I mean, at the very least, Fox News must be blasting this from the rafters. | ||
| You might have to go down to, like, big league politics. | ||
| Okay, so there we... | ||
| You might have to go a little bit further down the dial in order to get this story being reported. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But hey, man, just because the mainstream media, just because the MSM isn't reporting on this stuff doesn't mean that it's not true, because Alex has proof. | ||
| We have the videos. | ||
| We have the audio. | ||
| We have the photos. | ||
| We have them admitting it on the Antifa site in D.C., the Antifa site in Portland, Oregon, the Antifa sites in San Francisco, the Antifa sites in Austin, Texas, that there are different ways to produce acid compounds and to then throw them on people to blind them. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, They themselves said, and there's photos and videos that are on screen, if you're a TV viewer, that they were going to mix quick-setting concrete and throw it in people's faces. | ||
| Now is probably a pretty good time to point out that pretty consistently the right wing has either manufactured or been tricked by fake Antifa accounts. | ||
| On Twitter and Facebook and ruses like that have been real prominent. | ||
| Or people playing pranks going on TV pretending to be Antifa like, I want to punch a horse. | ||
| I want to punch a police horse. | ||
| I don't think they do it. | ||
| It is something that they are very eager to be tricked by. | ||
| It really does seem like they... | ||
| I would almost go... | ||
| So far as to say they're looking for that information more than they are worrying about it. | ||
| You can make that claim, I feel like, for me, because I'm trying to stay unbiased. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| Of course, Dan. | ||
| I feel like that's an assumption that would be a little bit too far. | ||
| You know, I don't want to assume their intentions. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| It certainly looks that way, but who knows? | ||
| Strongly and obviously. | ||
| Yeah, so you were asking if the New York Times is covering this, this angle, this way, these chemical attacks. | ||
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Acid. | |
| Yeah, well, I mean, technically it's a base. | ||
| Okay, fair. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| It'll cause an alkaline burn. | ||
| Yes, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Get real petty. | ||
| New York Times not covering this, but one fucking genius is. | ||
| Portland PD report on antifa mixing concrete into milkshakes. | ||
| This creates acid-like chemical weapons. | ||
| So, oh, Jack Posobiec gets it. | ||
| I searched all yesterday and found no one getting this. | ||
| So this is a chemical weapon. | ||
| This is a chemical weapon! | ||
| So Jack Posobiec fucking gets it. | ||
| Pizza ate Jack Posobiec gets it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| If Alex ever says, I get it, I want it gone as soon as possible. | ||
| Yeah, that's some variation of damning you with faint praise. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, the narrative that Antifa was mixing up concrete milkshakes is going to play a very large part in this episode, so we should probably exhaustively deal with it right about now. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| Just a small point, I might use the term Antifa as the way that Alex does, but I do not believe that they are a centralized group, like something like Patriot Prayer. | ||
| That is a group. | ||
| Antifa is not the same way. | ||
| Patriot Prayer has Joey Gibson as the leader of the group. | ||
| There is no centralized organization. | ||
| There's no hierarchy in Antifa. | ||
| Nobody's like, I'm King Antifa over here. | ||
| So discuss it as if Antifa was giving out milkshakes. | ||
| Is to play into the right-wing framing of the conversation in and of itself. | ||
| And I'm going to try and buck back against that convention as best I can. | ||
| But if I slip up here and there, I apologize for my non-clarity and not living up to my own intentions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'll get into the specifics here in a couple minutes, but for now, I want to make it totally clear that this did not happen. | ||
| It's a completely manufactured fascist smear being perpetrated by dangerous monsters and useful idiots. | ||
| Before I get into some of the details about this narrative, it's important to address why it's spreading. | ||
| And it actually gets into something we've discussed in the past. | ||
| The milkshake is the perfect weapon against people like Nigel Farage or Alex Jones, because it really doesn't elicit that much sympathy from them, no one's like you're hurting them, but it does make them look really silly. | ||
| Nothing he can ever do in his life will undo the image in the headline of Nigel Farage refusing to leave his bus, surrounded by people with milkshakes. | ||
| These motherfuckers are a joke, and seeing their feverish response to data Yeah. | ||
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We understand that, but unfortunately, so do they. | |
| They realize that the potential of having to put up with a constant barrage of milkshakes whenever they're out in public is a fate that they're not particularly interested in. | ||
| Because make no mistake about it, that's exactly what is going on. | ||
| I will do a lot of hours of community service to throw a milkshake on Pol Pot. | ||
| I think it'd be fine. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm trying to stay unbiased. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| He just asked for fucking tanks at a parade, Dan. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| We're past it. | ||
| They know that their power is really only supported by being able to control how their followers perceive them. | ||
| And that image is hurt considerably if they're constantly yelling about how people won't stop throwing soft dessert at them. | ||
| It doesn't work for them. | ||
| Stop throwing milkshakes at me! | ||
| The best way to fight back against this is to transform the milkshake into a deadly weapon. | ||
| This is honestly one of the most predictable developments in this information war we find ourselves in. | ||
| It's a really short brainstorm. | ||
| It's like, hey, this thing people are throwing at us is... | ||
| and makes us look silly. | ||
| But if we get too mad about something as trivial as people throwing milkshakes at us, that makes us look even more silly and way less manly and effectual. | ||
| Oh, I got a solution. | ||
| Let's just say they're trying to kill us with those milkshakes. | ||
| Great idea. | ||
| Let's do lunch. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's what's going on. | ||
| No, it's literally like, hey, people are like, you can't throw rocks at me. | ||
| That is hurting a person. | ||
| Right. | ||
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People say, with milkshakes, you are making me look silly. | |
| What if I just told people that milkshakes were rocks? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like the milkshake is almost adapting the behavior in consideration of how a rock would hurt you. | ||
| Thus, the narrative of the concrete milkshake is born out of that necessity. | ||
| Portland police have said that, quote, as the event progressed, officers learned from some participants that a substance similar to quick-drying concrete was being added to some of the milkshakes. | ||
| This is not evidence. | ||
| That is hearsay. | ||
| But it was enough for the department to post a tweet on their official Twitter account saying, quote, police have received information that some of the milkshakes thrown today during the demonstration contained quick-drying cement. | ||
| We're encouraging anyone hit with substance today to report it to the police. | ||
| Now, at least that tweet said just that they'd received information that the Immediately, the right-wing media's fear of shitheads jumped into action. | ||
| Jack Posobiec retweeted a picture shot by Shane Burley of people making milkshakes at the event, but added his spin that maybe this is where they were adding the concrete, with no evidence at all, just talking shit. | ||
| Much like the quick-drying concrete that wasn't in the milkshakes, the narrative began to solidify very rapidly. | ||
| Articles started being published with misleading headlines that implied that the Portland police had said that there was concrete in the milkshakes that were being thrown as opposed to what they had said, which is someone, possibly even a right-wing shithead themselves, had told them that it was the case. | ||
| Business Insider published an article with the headline, quote, Protesters threw milkshakes containing quick-drying cement as far-left and far-right groups clashed in Portland, according to police. | ||
| That article includes this passage, quote, Currently, there is no evidence to substantiate the claim of concrete or cement found in any milkshakes. | ||
| I'm sure that was part of the headline, too, though. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| If you're going to add that in there, you really want to lead with that one. | ||
| That way, otherwise people would think... | ||
| Nope, that's in the article as opposed to what the headline I just read to you. | ||
| Oh, so they didn't put the important part in the headline, they put the other part. | ||
| It doesn't matter, though, man. | ||
| The headline was tailored to the right-wing narrative that was developing, as evidenced by Jack Posobiec, tweeting it out as proof that he was right all along. | ||
| There is a game that's being bounced back and forth. | ||
| It's very clear to see. | ||
| This is a right-wing smear from the core, and anyone who's falling for it, and I'm looking sharply in the direction of dum-dums like Jake Tapper, are playing right into the right-wing media's hands. | ||
| The goal is to make this avenue of making fascists look stupid and silly, making it treated like a life-threatening attack. | ||
| So counter-protesters can't make them look silly anymore. | ||
| That is the name of the game. | ||
| There was no concrete being mixed into these milkshakes because if there was, there's literally no way there wouldn't be any physical evidence by now, days later. | ||
| How many people would have accidentally drank concrete and died? | ||
| How many easily identifiable puddles of concrete would be strewn around the park? | ||
| How many people would be able to easily produce articles of clothing with concrete all over them? | ||
| How many police officers would have their uniforms covered in concrete? | ||
| It would be a really easy thing to prove if it were true. | ||
| None of this has been produced as evidence because it doesn't exist. | ||
| And let me be clear. | ||
| The burden of proof is not on me or anyone else to prove that there wasn't concrete being thrown in milkshake form. | ||
| Right-wing shitheads are making this outrageous claim that concrete milkshakes are being used as weapons in Portland, and thus it is on them to make their case and prove it. | ||
| And until they do, this is shit talk being circulated by career shit talkers who have a pretty clear motive to talk this specific line of shit. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Proof is saying it louder. | ||
| That's what they think. | ||
| It's so perfect that this is about cement. | ||
| Because the metaphor is so apt. | ||
| By Sunday, the Portland Mercury put out an article, quote, Portland police offer no proof that protesters had milkshakes with quick-dry cement, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| By that point, the right-wing narrative's concrete had dried. | ||
| It was impenetrable to facts, new revelations, or refutation. | ||
| It's even more perfect because the most common form of concrete is called Portlandite, or Portland concrete. | ||
| You would think Alex would make a conspiracy out of that, but I guess that would take some reading to learn about, and he's not really into that sort of thing. | ||
| In a release put out July 1st, the police in Portland offered a little bit more insight into why they thought that there was concrete in the milkshakes or why they would follow through with this. | ||
| We're liars and we're on their side. | ||
| For one, an anonymous person said there was. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, I mean, look, I understand the police department taking an anonymous tip that someone is creating a weapon surreptitiously seriously. | ||
| They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. | ||
| When someone tells them that people are putting concrete in milkshakes, it's the police's responsibility to look into it. | ||
| Check in with the people who are handing out milkshakes and, you know, make sure there's no credibility to that tip. | ||
| If you're unable to figure out what's going on, then maybe you ask the people giving out milkshakes to stop or to leave. | ||
| What you don't do is take to Twitter to broadcast this bullshit rumor that's ultimately, at its core, right-wing propaganda. | ||
| That implies that maybe you, as a police department, are on their side, and this anonymous email they got after the fact is a sloppy... | ||
| So they got an email after the fact. | ||
| They got an anonymous email after the rally had happened and after they'd put out this tweet. | ||
| And they said that, quote, an anonymous email was sent to bureau members with a, quote, milkshake recipe, which is laughable. | ||
| It's a troll job if I've ever seen one. | ||
| Do you know what the weirdest part is? | ||
| You actually have to get a sample of a bowl of blood to put it in that milkshake. | ||
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Right. | |
| Otherwise it doesn't do any good as a vaccine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I get the feeling that that saying, like, well, we had someone who said... | ||
| That there was concrete in the milkshakes. | ||
| Alright, I understand that you've got to do something about that, which you did wasn't the right thing to do. | ||
| And I think that they probably realized, hey, we kind of really fucked up. | ||
| Hey, someone sent a troll email. | ||
| Let's use this as further rationalization, even though we got it after the fact. | ||
| It doesn't support the actions that were taken. | ||
| It only works... | ||
| Post-factually, it's fucking stupid. | ||
| For now, the last thing I want to say about this is that Alex's take on the situation is far more severe than most of the right-wing shitheads on Twitter and Fox News. | ||
| Most of them were approaching this from an angle that leftists are trying to make concrete milkshakes in order to have bricks to throw, but some of them dabbled a little bit in the chemical idea, but not nearly to the extent Alex is. | ||
| Alex is full-on going to argue that Antifa was out there making chemical weapons. | ||
| In this sense, Alex is actually... | ||
| Because if the argument is that they're trying to make bricks out of milkshakes, simple chemistry debunks that theory. | ||
| Both salt and sugar have a delaying effect on the solidifying of concrete. | ||
| And in fact, many concrete workers use sugar or similarly constituted products in order to give them more time to work the concrete before it sets. | ||
| And it doesn't really take much sugar to cause that effect. | ||
| A very small percentage composition of sugar will cause very serious delays in the settling of concrete. | ||
| You just wouldn't be able to take the ingredients in a milkshake and add concrete to it. | ||
| Yeah, it's just not possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| While Alex does say that that was being done, his bigger argument is that there's chemicals in fast-drying concrete that'll cause chemical burns to people's skin. | ||
| And to this, I say that he's technically correct. | ||
| Concrete does cause alkaline burns when exposed to human skin. | ||
| However, all he's done is further sensationalize a thing he in no way has proven is even real. | ||
| So all he's really doing when you get down to it is making things worse. | ||
| If this narrative were true, there would be even more evidence available. | ||
| Consider how many people were hit by stray milkshakes. | ||
| How many people had them spill on them. | ||
| There would have been chemical burns all over the place, and evidence would be overwhelming. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| All Alex is doing is escalating the narrative to unsustainable levels. | ||
| If the mainstream of the right wing media is just interested in getting people to stop throwing milkshakes at them, Alex wants you to be able to kill anyone you think has a milkshake. | ||
| It's profoundly scary stuff, and some of the things that end up being said on this episode, like I said, rank up there with the most upsetting things I've heard him advocate for. | ||
| They imply that there's nowhere else for his rhetoric and worldview to go other than murder, and I am not pleased by this development. | ||
| Yeah, he's looking for a shot heard around the world, but because some dude was holding a milkshake. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, because if you break it down, what you've got is... | ||
| A built-in justification for preemptive attacks on people who have... | ||
| Milkshakes. | ||
| Maybe even a Starbucks. | ||
| Maybe you've got a Frappuccino. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anything could be... | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| It's quite literally anything could be a weapon. | ||
| If anybody who looks like a leftist is holding a cup, then they might be mixing something to kill God-fearing patriots. | ||
| And if you accept that... | ||
| The steps that you end up having to take to resolve those paranoias and those fears are unbelievably scary. | ||
| They're offensive. | ||
| They lead to probably the most dystopian view of what could happen in the next couple months. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| So Alex's idea that they're throwing these milkshakes around, causing chemical burns on people, he has some evidence of that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they throw it in your face. | ||
| And that's why when you look at the photos and the videos of people that were hit with it, their skin is all burned, their eyes are all totally bloody and bloodshot, they will guarantee have vision loss. | ||
| So what you're looking at is mass terrorists, if you're a TV viewer, radio listeners, the articles are on Infowars.com, literally mixing acid attacks, and then notice the left is all about deception, calling it milkshake attacks. | ||
| Two pictures were circulated after the events on Saturday, and one of them was a picture of a hand that had been chemical burned, and another was a woman who had her face had some chemical burns on it. | ||
| The hand, you just reverse image search it, and it's a standard picture of a chemical burn that is all over the internet. | ||
| It's a shutterstock, like stock image kind of thing. | ||
| I don't know if it's a stock image. | ||
| I don't remember exactly, but it's something that's used consistently and has been for a long time. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It has nothing to do with this. | ||
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Right. | |
| The picture of the woman with her face was, you reverse image search that, and it goes back to a woman who had her face burned by essential oils. | ||
| It has nothing to do with this. | ||
| It is being weaponized and used to justify the argument of concrete burning people. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Alex is just reporting lies, which isn't surprising. | ||
| But the stakes of it are shocking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're very severe. | ||
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| I don't... | ||
| I want to stress, like, I've been talking a little bit extremely about the conclusions that Alex could come to in terms of, like, what he's trying to do is justify being able to shoot people who have milkshakes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I wasn't talking shit. | ||
| He literally kind of expresses that in this next clip. | ||
| Antifa now vows to attack families trying to go to a Fourth of July event in D.C. They're trying to get somebody to shoot them. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| They dump acid right on your five-year-old's face. | ||
| You pull a gun and shoot them. | ||
| You will be the terrorist. | ||
| You will be the bad guy. | ||
| They are the little meth heads that work for the cities, that work for the universities, and work for the federal government. | ||
| That's why the Portland mayor allows them to do all this, because a lot of them are his staff, it's turned out. | ||
| So that is just, like, justification. | ||
| They're going to throw milkshakes full of acid at your children, and if you shoot them, you're the bad guy. | ||
| Fucking hell, man. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So now at the end there, Alex says that Antifa works for the Portland mayor, and I'm not so interested in that, because it's not. | ||
| I have no interest in that. | ||
| It's nonsensical. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that idea... | ||
| Please don't even acknowledge that. | ||
| That idea is a particularly tough milkshake to swallow. | ||
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Nice. | |
| I promise that will be the last milkshake. | ||
| No, it won't. | ||
| No, it won't. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| If you didn't write it down, I'm coming one later. | ||
| I'm coming for one later. | ||
| And one of the reasons is because of the relationship that is very clear between the right-wing folks and the Portland Police Department. | ||
| No. | ||
| One of the reasons that people took particular offense at the Portland Police Bureau's official Twitter account being used to publicize and lend credibility to the right-wing smear campaign about the concrete and the milkshakes is that in the past few years there's been a troubling trend of the Portland police taking the side of right-wing protesters, even when they're doing things that are kind of fucked up. | ||
| In June 2017, there was a rally in Portland that turned a little bit ugly. | ||
| An Oregon Live article about it has this headline. | ||
| Dueling Portland rallies end without major violence, but police intervene. | ||
| Which might give you the impression that everything turned out pretty alright. | ||
| However, here's the fourth paragraph of that article. | ||
| Officers deployed explosives and pepper balls to scatter anti-fascist crowds gathered at Chapman and Lownsdale squares just north of the pro-Trump rally. | ||
| So, violence averted. | ||
| Just explosions and pepper balls. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But, I mean, from them. | ||
| If the cops do it, it's not violence, Dan? | ||
| The rally was taking place a week after Jeremy Christian had murdered two men on a train in Portland who were trying to stop him from verbally assaulting two women with racist attacks. | ||
| He would go on to tell the police that stabbing those two men made him, quote, happy. | ||
| That rally was being organized by Joey Gibson, that rally that ended up with explosions and pepper balls. | ||
| Joey Gibson's the leader of Patriot Prayer. | ||
| Incidentally, Gibson had also organized a far-right rally in Portland in April 2017 where Jeremy Christian was in attendance and was found on video marching around doing Nazi salutes. | ||
| At the June rally, Gibson made a concerted effort to distance himself from Christian, which I think is a good idea that's good for business. | ||
| Bad for history, good for business. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| At the rally in June, the police detained approximately 400 counter-protesters for about an hour. | ||
| But a report that came out from the Independent Police Review Division pointed out that the police never gave a legal reason for their detentions, which seems like the sort of behavior Alex Jones might call tyranny. | ||
| Pictures and videos came out of Portland police wrestling a counter-protester to the ground. | ||
| That might not have been too shocking or cause for serious concern, but the other thing that was in that video certainly was. | ||
| Todd Kelsey, a member of the American Freedom Keepers militia, is seen literally helping the police detain the demonstrator. | ||
| Kelsey would go on to tell the Guardian that the police officer who was arresting the guy had asked for his help, despite there being a ton of other cops around, literally three of them on top of this demonstrator alone. | ||
| But you get this militia guy, hey, give me a hand. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's a militia member there, so the assumption is that he's there to assist the law enforcement and peacekeeping systems, Dan? | ||
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Militias are never used for terrorist purposes. | |
| There's a really suspicious theme emerging there, that the police were being on the side of the right-wing folks, as opposed to being neutral upholders of the law. | ||
| And this suspicion was confirmed on June 27, 2018, when the Independent Police Review released their full report about the police response at that rally. | ||
| They said, quote, More into the right wing because the left wing folks were, quote, a group that was diverse in their viewpoints and tactics. | ||
| Boy, that's on the nose. | ||
| That's a little bit on the nose, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That's literally like saying, well, they're not all white dudes. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It was pretty plain to see that the Portland Police Department was more or less showing where their priorities were. | ||
| And things got worse from there. | ||
| In October 2018, it was announced that members of Patriot Prayer were found on the roof of a parking structure in downtown Portland, quote, with a cache of firearms, before a scheduled protest on August 4th, a couple months earlier. | ||
| The cache was said to have included long guns. | ||
| No one was arrested, which may be an okay decision if none of the guns were illegal and everyone's paperwork was in order and all that, but even if you're not going to arrest anyone when you find them with what might be considered a strategic location with a cache of firearms, that revelation should at least inform how you behave as law enforcement during the upcoming rally. | ||
| But it didn't. | ||
| Police charged counter-protesters at that rally with their clubs drawn after someone told them that they'd been hit by a water bottle, which, quote, likely came from a counter-protester. | ||
| Likely came from a counter-protester. | ||
| Doug Brown, a photographer who was there on the scene, told The Guardian, quote, the first missile I saw and heard came from the Patriot prayer side, across the street, toward the protesters. | ||
| I don't know who set it off, but it went towards the black block, and then the police just swarmed them. | ||
| A woman was sent to the hospital after being hit by a flashbang. | ||
| Joey Gibson's second in command, a man named Tiny, was seen at the protest in a shirt that read, Pinochet did nothing wrong. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| That sounds like a good shirt. | ||
| Do we have that one up yet? | ||
| Do not. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| That August rally was a month after another rally that they had on June 30th, which descended into total chaos and was declared a riot. | ||
| There's a clear pattern here, and it's one where the police department is not interested in doing anything to control the far-right elements like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys. | ||
| They work to stage violent street actions under the guise of free speech rallies, and that's sort of dumb bullshit. | ||
| In February 2019, Katie Shepard of the Willamette Week reported on text messages that were exchanged between Joey Gibson and the Portland police. | ||
| The messages start to make things a little more clear. | ||
| On multiple instances, Portland Police Lieutenant Jeff Nia appears to be providing Gibson with intel on where left-wing protests were taking place. | ||
| And on one occasion, he, quote, told Gibson that Portland Police were not monitoring a protest hosted by the Queer Liberation Front in an attempt to dissuade Gibson's right-wing group from showing up. | ||
| Which is to say, you're going to get fucked up if you go there. | ||
| Police aren't going to be able to get your back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, the police have long been a tool of the fascist state, but boy, did we discover how white nationalists they are. | ||
| They've always been white nationalists. | ||
| It's tough to overstate, but it's also tough. | ||
| For me to fully encapsulate. | ||
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Right. | |
| If that makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But here's the thing, man. | ||
| So Jeff Nia, the Portland police lieutenant, right? | ||
| I mean, he's texting all the time with Joey Gibson, giving him all this friendly banter and information. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it should be pointed out that in 2017, it did come out that he was also texting with someone from the anti-fascist side. | ||
| It came out that 20-year-old anti-fascist activist named Tan had been texting with him a bunch. | ||
| But that situation was a little bit different. | ||
| Whereas Neo was providing Joey Gibson with information to protect his right-wing group, Neo was using Tan as an informant to gather information about where counter-demonstrators were marching. | ||
| I feel like this is a pretty succinct illustration of the way the Portland police have engaged with this unfolding situation. | ||
| reach out to the left in hopes of finding a snitch, and feed information to the right-wing provocateurs so they can avoid and evade trouble. | ||
| There's far more to this story than I can credibly explain to you here on this episode, but it's important to remember that nothing exists in a vacuum. | ||
| So when the Portland Police Bureau tweets out something that's dumb as shit, like the concrete milkshakes nonsense, it often can't be seen as a single isolated event, but rather just one more instance in a years-long pattern of the police department declaring their allegiance to siding with the crowd that is intermingled with neo-Nazi Do you mean just the Republican Party? | ||
| This has nothing to do with anything, but it deserves mentioning that the Portland Police Bureau's current chief is named Danielle Outlaw. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Which is an ironic name. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| Gotta end things on a fun note. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| Her name's Outlaw. | ||
| Everybody keeps promoting her just like, wouldn't it be hilarious? | ||
| Wouldn't it be great. | ||
| Wouldn't it be so funny? | ||
| Our top cop is an outlaw. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Come on, guys! | ||
| Let's all have a great time. | ||
| So, I mean, this isn't to say that the Portland Police Department is 100% working with these right-wing provocateurs or anything like that, but it does seem to indicate, you know, when you look at the information that's available, you look at the stories, you look at the trends, you see that there is a clear preference. | ||
| There is a differential treatment of the two groups that is not explained by the behavior of those two groups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's explained by the behavior of the cops since fucking America started. | ||
| The whole job of the cops is to ensure any kind of counter-protest. | ||
| It's like a fucking tool of the status quo. | ||
| There's not been any protest in America's history where the cops have been on the side of the right. | ||
| Or on the side of good, so to speak. | ||
| It's not like cops were hanging out with Black Panthers. | ||
| I bet there were a few. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Which is, I guess it doesn't really change anything. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Dan, not every cop in Chicago has murdered somebody, but enough cops in Chicago have murdered somebody that you don't trust the cops in Chicago. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't have to have a universal problem in order for something to be a systemic problem. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| And it does appear that way. | ||
| From everything I can tell and all the reporting I'm able to find on it. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex just keeps doubling down and stressing his extreme positions that are preemptive justifications for violence. | ||
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Let this sink in. | |
| Antifa, the Maoist communist group in the United States set up 30 years ago that calls for overthrowing the government, killing their political enemies, banning free speech. | ||
| They are now nationwide saying they're going to attack anybody at 4th of July rallies, anybody that tries to go out in public, anybody that tries to support Trump. | ||
| I think we have some standing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I'm anti-fascist. | ||
| And Antifa doesn't really exist as a thing. | ||
| So what he's really saying is anyone who is against anti-fascism or anyone who is anti-fascism. | ||
| Well, the fact that he is describing a non-entity kind of means that you can't sue him. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Fair. | ||
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Shit! | |
| But what he's doing there is he's taking, you know, everything. | ||
| Every event that you might go to. | ||
| All of you right-leaning people. | ||
| Every event that you go to. | ||
| Be fucking scared. | ||
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Always. | |
| Be on edge. | ||
| Every moment. | ||
| It's going to be a high-tension situation. | ||
| If somebody's got a milkshake, you know what to do. | ||
| You know what to do. | ||
| Probably going to have to kill them. | ||
| We know it. | ||
| It's justified. | ||
| It's defensible. | ||
| They're going to hit your kid with a fucking chemical weapon. | ||
| Do you want your kid to grow blind because some anti-fascist threw concrete milkshake on them? | ||
| Do you want that? | ||
| You better bring your fucking gun to this barbecue that you're going to. | ||
| I think that's a good idea. | ||
| Because do you know what I love at my barbecues with all of my family, none of whom are gun-loving people who all carry guns and are afraid in the exact same way, is that when there are a lot of people together with guns and somebody maybe has a janky trigger finger and somebody walks up with the milkshake, maybe they fire on accident. | ||
| All of a sudden, there are a lot of guns firing real quick, aren't there, Dan? | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| It's like you're in a big group of people. | ||
| One guy throws up and then everyone throws up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That sort of trigger reaction happens. | ||
| So, based on nothing, Alex now is going to report that there were hundreds of containers of chemical weapon at the Portland Rally. | ||
| Are we going to address what should be very obvious to Alex right now? | ||
| What, that people drinking him would be dead? | ||
| That he's literally doing exactly what the lead-up to the Iraq War was. | ||
| Oh, I mean, I don't think he cares. | ||
| No, he doesn't care. | ||
| But this is like, this is borderline word for word kind of situation here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So hundreds of containers, Jordan, of chemical weapons. | ||
| Acid attacks are taking place in America. | ||
| They mixed hundreds of containers of the chemical weapon. | ||
| What the right wing really would love these militia guys is if they did put chemical shit in the milkshake. | ||
| They would love that. | ||
| If that was reported in the New York Times and Fox News, it would be open fucking season. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| It would be the end of this being a conversation that we could have. | ||
| Were there chemicals in those milkshakes? | ||
| No matter how much you support. | ||
| Social justice, no matter how much you are against white nationalists and... | ||
| That would be the beginning of the war. | ||
| Because I think that you're committing war crimes. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Chemical warfare is presumably not allowed in war. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Probably not for at least a good... | ||
| I think we had a good five-year stretch. | ||
| I said presumably. | ||
| Five-year stretch where it wasn't allowed. | ||
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I said presumably. | |
| After 1979, I think we had a good run. | ||
| Well, right, but that's where it becomes unjustifiable to not be against this group. | ||
| And that's why they want it to be true, and simultaneously, why it is never going to be true. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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So... | |
| Anyway, it's a lot of bullshit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex explains that people with milkshakes that presumably have concrete in them is why we have the Second Amendment. | ||
| Is that why? | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| His reason changes constantly. | ||
| It does, doesn't it? | ||
| This is terrorism in America. | ||
| Mobs of cowards ganging up. | ||
| This is why we have the Second Amendment, folks. | ||
| And they start coming to your houses, which they pledge to do. | ||
| What? | ||
| They're going to come to your houses. | ||
| And let me tell you this, they never will. | ||
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Nope. | |
| You never see these counter-protesters anywhere other than counter-protesting super right-wing events. | ||
| They don't show up to your house, but you know who does have a bit of a history with that? | ||
| The Proud Boys. | ||
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Huh. | |
| In May 2018, video artist Vic Berger, formerly of Super Deluxe, was on a bit of a streak, making fun of the Proud Boys and their leader, Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| The gang didn't take kindly to that, and according to a message posted in their group chat, they had a goal of doxing Vic, saying in all caps, quote, Let's show them their consequences. | ||
| Then, a dude showed up at Vic's house. | ||
| Speaking to HuffPost, Vic Berger said, quote, When I answered the door, he seemed nervous, like he wasn't expecting me. | ||
| It was the middle of the day, and my wife was home. | ||
| He said, are you Vic? | ||
| Your videos are hurting a lot of people. | ||
| You're really hurting the Proud Boys. | ||
| You need to stop making these videos. | ||
| Probably because Vic chased the guy immediately, this incident didn't escalate. | ||
| But it's the sort of thing that absolutely is the next level of scary. | ||
| The Proud Boys are a gang where you literally have to get into a fight or get arrested for the gang in order to reach the fourth degree of initiation. | ||
| Which is the sort of thing, you know, it's the sort of thing that the sort of shitheads who gravitate towards a gang where you have to name cereals while getting softly punched in order to join, they might take that to mean track down and assault people who... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, you also have Tommy Robinson, who recently showed up at a critic of his, Mike Stuckberry's, house at 11pm and banged on his doors and windows. | ||
| This is, of course, after giving out the dude's... | ||
| And social media accounts on a live stream that he was doing. | ||
| So, of course, the banging on the walls was accompanied by a flood of threatening messages on the guy's phone. | ||
| Mike called the police and Tommy left, only to return at 5 a.m. and do it all over again. | ||
| This is clear intimidation, meant to get people to stop giving critical coverage to xenophobic, far-right, racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, and overall shithead actors in our society. | ||
| Antifa, in quotes, isn't doing that. | ||
| They're not showing up at your house. | ||
| They're showing up when you have a rally to make it harder for you to speak in public because your views are repulsive. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's what's going on. | ||
| No one's going to your goddamn house. | ||
| Well, anything that they are... | ||
| Because, again, that's the same thing as putting concrete in the milkshake. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You start showing up at people's houses and the argument becomes indefensible. | ||
| Like it should be for the Proud Boys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like Alex should disavow... | ||
| And be like, this has gone too far. | ||
| Showing up at people we disagree with's houses. | ||
| Tommy Robinson was on Alex's show the day after he did this shit to his critic. | ||
| And Alex was like, oh man, you gotta give it to that guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Stick it to him. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway, so in this next clip, you know, look, they're putting acid in the milkshakes. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And that's pretty bad. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| But Alex isn't worried. | ||
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Oh, okay, good. | |
| They're gonna find out that the acid won't beat bullets when we defend ourselves. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just shoot them. | ||
| Shoot them then. | ||
| Shoot the people with milkshakes, Alex. | ||
| That's a great plan. | ||
| Is that a new rock, paper, scissors kind of situation? | ||
| Bullets beat acid. | ||
| Acid beats... | ||
| Milkshake. | ||
| Milkshake beats bullets. | ||
| Yeah, let's say that. | ||
| I think that works. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we kind of realize why Alex is ramping up this rhetoric so intensely. | ||
| You can really feel that this 35 seconds is indicative of why he needs to do shit like this, which is deeply irresponsible and very dangerous. | ||
| You just saw terrorists mixing up hundreds of cups of a chemical weapon. | ||
| Quick-set concrete has four different types of acid in it. | ||
| It makes concrete fuse together. | ||
| It'll eat your eyeballs out. | ||
| Ask anybody. | ||
| Read the damn package. | ||
| New video shows Antifa crowbar attack. | ||
| Macing of elderly man. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson, Infowars.com. | ||
| Newswars.com. | ||
| We're going to go to Paul Watson right now. | ||
| But please remember, this is why we need your support. | ||
| America is going in. | ||
| The most insane time since 1776. | ||
| He needs to make it so extreme because that justifies why you need to give him your money now. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You need to... | ||
| Look, we got a half-off sale on everything. | ||
| Free shipping, double Patriot points. | ||
| Antifa's making chemical weapons. | ||
| Just fucking give me your money. | ||
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Right. | |
| We need it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, it is... | ||
| He doesn't care that he's putting people in very serious danger. | ||
| Well, no, because he needs money on a timetable that justifies the timetable that people need to act, you know? | ||
| Like, he needs money now. | ||
| Well, it looks like he needs it. | ||
| In the next couple days. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Usually he can be like, it's the summer of rage. | ||
| It's coming up. | ||
| So donate so we can fight off against this. | ||
| But it's like, I need $100,000 tomorrow. | ||
| So guess what? | ||
| Antifa's coming to your house. | ||
| Give me money. | ||
| Otherwise, you're going to be there. | ||
| Antifa's going to throw chemical weapons on your kids on the 4th. | ||
| Now. | ||
| He's obsessed with the July 4th stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As he says, reiterates in this next clip. | ||
| They're about to make their move. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson of Summit.News and Infowars.com. | ||
| You have been at the epicenter. | ||
| I asked you to come on last week. | ||
| You were too busy. | ||
| About the threats of acid attacks against Brexiters. | ||
| And now it's happening in America. | ||
| And they say coming up July 4th they're going to hit everybody at July 4th in D.C. My God, imagine. | ||
| Terrorists are going to mix up acid and attack conservatives all over the world. | ||
| And our own governments aren't going to do a damn thing, Paul. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Very extreme. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Paul Joseph Watson has an interesting idea about how one might go about taking care of this here Antifa problem. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I don't like his ideas, period. | ||
| No, it's a pretty bad idea, especially coming from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These masks are only being worn for one reason, so they can get away with committing violent crime. | ||
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Okay, so if they come into a protest area... | |
| With an object which is going to be used in the process of committing a violent crime, why is that not being taken away from them? | ||
| Ban the masks and then it's bye-bye Antifa because they can no longer hide their identities. | ||
| So that's an interesting idea. | ||
| And it's always great to hear noted guy who cries about free speech all the time, Paul Joseph Watson, advocating publicly that the government should be in the business of regulating citizens' clothing choices. | ||
| This shit is really stupid, considering how many right-wing demonstrators wear masks and how the government control of people's clothing is a fucking insane thing for a supposed libertarian to advocate for. | ||
| If the problem is that masks make people harder to identify, and your solution is to ban them, I got bad news about hats, wigs, face paint, makeup, sunglasses, and facial hair. | ||
| Those things make people harder to identify, too, so I guess the state should probably crack down on any of that shit. | ||
| Don't forget Mission Impossible masks. | ||
| Also, pretty sure a side benefit of this is that Alex and Paul Joseph Watson would then be able to make sure that Muslims couldn't wear their niqabs. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's just killing two birds with one stone. | ||
| And the best part about this, Jordan, if you look at the pictures of the people who were making the milkshakes at the Portland protest, most of them were not wearing masks. | ||
| If you sincerely believe that these people were mixing up goddamn chemical weapons in broad daylight around everybody taking pictures, you would expect they would have been the most heavily masked people out there, and that was not the case. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson and his ilk want these people not to be allowed to wear masks because they want to dox them and subject them to targeted harassment. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| And Paul wants the state to step in and make it easier for them to figure out who these people are so they can start propaganda campaigns against them and somehow tie them to Soros or some shit. | ||
| This is one of their favorite weapons in the information warfare arsenal. | ||
| And a simple bandana so completely stymies them that they're willing to throw away all their limited government, individualism, freedom bullshit. | ||
| These are sad people. | ||
| Sad people when they're pushed to the wall. | ||
| When their back is to the wall and people with bandanas and a dessert are wrecking their shop. | ||
| They cry for the state. | ||
| It really is like... | ||
| I hate the state, but please help me! | ||
| Make it illegal for these people to make me look silly? | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| I would be a hero! | ||
| I would be He-Man if we were fighting a war! | ||
| But you're throwing a milkshake at me, so instead of being a strong man, I look like a silly girl! | ||
| I need the government! | ||
| Social safety net. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, Alex and Paul Joseph Watson are also dudes who are very seriously, like, mad about the idea that they've been kicked off social media, and, like, they're not allowed on Patreon, they're not allowed on all sorts of other places where normal people congregate. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So it's interesting to hear Paul Joseph Watson advocate this. | ||
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We know the group behind it, Alex. | |
| It's called Rose City Antifa. | ||
| They've literally got a post on Facebook right now celebrating the, quote, amazing success of their people smashing in old men's heads with crowbars and macing them in the face. | ||
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They're on Twitter, not being banned, not being suspended on Twitter. | |
| They're raising money from a website called rally.org. | ||
| People need to contact this website called rally.org and ask them, do you support domestic terrorism because your platform is being used to raise money for domestic terrorists? | ||
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They've got a website. | |
| Who hosts their website? | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| I'm totally fine with Paul doing that. | ||
| Because if you do believe that somebody is so way out of line and they're being supported by being on this platform and you want to make your voice heard, your disapproval towards that platform, that they are hosting this person, I'm of the belief that you have every right to express that to the platform and if they so choose, they can kick the person off. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson should not believe that. | ||
| Based on everything that InfoWars has been saying for the last year, at least, they absolutely should not be being like, hey, you know what? | ||
| You need to go apply pressure so these places kick people off of them. | ||
| All they do is complain about how that's what happened to them. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Does he think they're going to call his bluff? | ||
| What does he think? | ||
| Because he's ostensibly saying that as like a, well, if we get banned, why don't they get banned? | ||
| That must be a tacit admission that they support them. | ||
| I think he's just trying to hurt them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's all it is. | ||
| I think it's all just like a... | ||
| You think he's just a loser little titty baby lashing out? | ||
| More or less. | ||
| I think it's a galvanizing of the troops towards, like, hey, let's flood these places with messages. | ||
| Maybe their crowdfunding will be taken away. | ||
| Maybe we can get their website kicked off its hosting. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's that sort of thing. | ||
| Maybe we can get James Gunn off of directing Guardians of the Galaxy 3. It's that sort of, like, let's start a brigade kind of thing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which, I mean, fine. | ||
| It's lame. | ||
| Certainly doesn't match up with... | ||
| Anything they believe? | ||
| It seems like it. | ||
| Which, again, is so fucking indicative of how this operates. | ||
| Anytime there's something that goes, like, it's just not working in your favor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Principles. | ||
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Gone. | |
| They want one set of rules for them and one set of rules for everybody else, and they want everybody else to pretend that they aren't different. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, in this next clip, I think that this is a really pretty, like, succinct and scary version of Alex's position on things. | ||
| The left is making the revolutionary terrorist move. | ||
| They've now ratcheted up to organized people handing out concrete, acid, chemical weapon milkshakes. | ||
| If that's true, if what he is reporting is true, if you believe that, why aren't you killing them? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You don't have a choice. | ||
| If you accept that as a reality, and you accept that that is happening, like, you're like, alright, well, we'll wait and see what happens. | ||
| At what point is it like, hey, it's time. | ||
| They're throwing chemical weapons at people. | ||
| They've declared a revolution and they're clandestinely throwing chemical weapons at people and the government doesn't care. | ||
| How much more severe can the situation that Alex is presenting ever be? | ||
| I don't see another... | ||
| Well, I mean, of course, you can always add a little design here, a little design there. | ||
| You can gild the lily a little bit. | ||
| But in terms of... | ||
| Hey, Alex. | ||
| You are saying that these people are in a war. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, not some sort of a, like... | ||
| No, it's gone from a cold war to a hot war. | ||
| If you're throwing acid at people, it's a hot war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, honestly, and this is only based on... | ||
| Just knowing Alex through this show. | ||
| But I think there's a part of him that genuinely does not think that it would be a war unless they used guns, too. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| Like, if they blew up the police station, they'd be like, how dare they fight that? | ||
| But they didn't use a gun, so it's not really a war, you know? | ||
| I think you might be right. | ||
| The idea of the shot heard around the world is such an obsession. | ||
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It has to be a gun. | |
| It has to be a gun. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That might be the case. | ||
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Right? | |
| And isn't that stupid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it definitely shouldn't be something that I thought. | ||
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Nope. | |
| And it shouldn't be something that you agreed with. | ||
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Nope. | |
| But it does kind of sound right. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So speaking of crazy, Alex has a new product that he's selling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In honor of his debate coverage that he wasn't on most of. | ||
| We've only got about 100 left of the Clown World Ultra Limited Edition Clown World t-shirts. | ||
| That's at InfoWarsStore.com. | ||
| So I wanted to bring this up because when I heard Alex called his Democratic debate coverage Clown World, I didn't really think too much about it. | ||
| It kind of made sense that he would call the Democrats Clowns, and he's not very creative, so it just made sense. | ||
| Yeah, I thought Clown World was quick. | ||
| I didn't even really think too much about the fact that he literally said on air that he took the name from 4chan and 8chan, because he pretty much takes everything from there. | ||
| So I didn't even really cross my mind that this is somehow weird. | ||
| However, it's come to my attention from some people who spend more time in the bad parts of the Internet than I do that the term clown world has some really bad connotations in those parts of the web. | ||
| And Alex is clearly signaling to those people. | ||
| The clown world meme began on the chans. | ||
| As the publication Forward put it, quote, they were, quote, describing what they see as the logic of a liberal non-racist society as being clown world. | ||
| When they would post stories that seemed to fit into their worldview, they'd use the code honk-honk to express that everything was backwards. | ||
| From there, the terminology and meme took hold in all of the wrong places. | ||
| It became really popular on the Daily Stormer, and on April 22nd of this year, quote, two members of the American Identity Movement, the white nationalist group formerly known as Identity Europa, dressed as clowns and entered the New Orleans Public Library to disrupt a children's storytime program being led by local drag queens. | ||
| Welcome to clown world, honk honk, their sign said. | ||
| I'm really afraid because the right is getting good at comedy. | ||
| They're getting great at it. | ||
| They're getting really good at it. | ||
| The meme world is not for me. | ||
| I think even non-racist memes are kind of stupid. | ||
| So I'm probably not the best person to cover this topic and all the nuances of it. | ||
| But suffice it to say that Alex Jones is fully aware of the racist and anti-Semitic roots and world that this meme that he's naming his Democrat debate coverage comes out of, you know? | ||
| He knows what he's doing, and it's equal parts disturbing and kind of pathetic to see how far he's fallen. | ||
| He's gone from being heavily associated with Ron Paul's campaign in 2012 to trying to court racist edgelords as fans and doing interviews with Count Dankula in 2019. | ||
| It's really sad what a couple of really big bad decisions can do to a person's career. | ||
| I'm not saying that his career was amazing before, but comparatively... | ||
| Compared to mine, it's been amazing. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Like, just a couple years, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, at the same time, for him, we can point to those big decisions, but it's been a million small ones along the way, too. | ||
| Yeah, don't get me wrong. | ||
| It's a death of a thousand cuts, but it's also a couple of chops. | ||
| Yeah, he's really made every mistake and then leaned into it thinking that it would get him out. | ||
| He thought he could mistake his way through to the other side, basically. | ||
| He thought he could dukes of hazard it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not working. | ||
| Nuh-uh. | ||
| You can't jump Snake River Canyon. | ||
| And I can mix metaphors. | ||
| Isn't that references? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A reference is a metaphor. | ||
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Do you mean that figuratively or literally? | |
| Paradoxically. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So, in court, Alex is constantly saying that, you know, like, hey man, yeah, I fucking sell things. | ||
| Right, bro? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I sell things. | ||
| He does. | ||
| I love selling. | ||
| He's a good salesman. | ||
| But... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| My show and my ads are different. | ||
| They're separate. | ||
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I... | |
| Hmm? | ||
| Hmm? | ||
| Now? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, hold on. | ||
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Legally. | |
| So anyway, I know that that's not true. | ||
| It's complete nonsense. | ||
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Yes, of course. | |
| This little clip here is just so amazing how exactly indicative it is of how intertwined show and ad are. | ||
| Content and marketing are completely blended. | ||
| We have the great new limited edition Space Shuttle, Space Force shirt that's so popular, and a lot of others. | ||
| But whatever you do, think about how... | ||
| Free speech is under attack and how critical InfoWars is to be the loud, focused voice pointing out this is a chemical acid attack. | ||
| You're not seeing that on Fox or CNN. | ||
| That's the truth. | ||
| That's how crazy it's gotten. | ||
| So read the thousands of five-star reviews. | ||
| Everything is 50% off at InfoWarsLife.com or 888. | ||
| So that's almost like a poem structure. | ||
| That's like A-B-A-B. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That was crazy. | ||
| Add content, add content. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| It's not a haiku. | ||
| It's senryu. | ||
| I think it's out of control. | ||
| It's almost like DNA. | ||
| It's a double helix. | ||
| It's tough to argue that content and ad aren't inextricably related. | ||
| What that reminds me of so much is my girlfriend made me watch The Bachelorette with her. | ||
| We know. | ||
| One night. | ||
| One night. | ||
| There was this... | ||
| They go walking in a park somewhere and there's all of a sudden... | ||
| Very, very conspicuously, an ice cream guy selling Halo Top ice cream, or whatever it's called. | ||
| And they get two big things, and the camera zooms in on them, cut to break. | ||
| Halo Top ice cream is a proud sponsor, and it's like, Jesus, guys, that's too much. | ||
| Yeah, just bad product placement. | ||
| That's too much, yeah. | ||
| Speaking of which, I love... | ||
| I don't see a product around here. | ||
| Ooh, Sour Patch. | ||
| Sour Patch. | ||
| The official... | ||
| Ooh, they got the new ones. | ||
| Strawberries. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Watermelons? | ||
| Those are the best. | ||
| How are the strawberries? | ||
| They taste like strawberries. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Ish. | ||
| The candy, of course. | ||
| So, the argument that Antifa is going out there through doing some chemical warfare, I mean, that would certainly be emboldened by past stories of Antifa committing chemical warfare. | ||
| And thankfully, Paul Joseph Watson has one such story. | ||
| Get into what you predict's coming next, D.C., the lack of action on this terror group, the mixing of the chemical weapon in front of everybody, the police standing down. | ||
| This shows they're really going to go the whole way coming into 2020. | ||
| Well, people forget that Antifa members were actually arrested back in February 2017 for planning an acid attack on Trump supporters. | ||
| Whether Trump administration is actually going to do anything about literal terrorists trying to target his supporters remains to be seen. | ||
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But there's a headline from 2017. | |
| Third arrest made in connection to planned deplorable acid attack. | ||
| We all remember that deplorable. | ||
| We remember where we were when... | ||
| Oh, it was a star-studded evening. | ||
| The deplorable. | ||
| I believe Alex was late because he had to pee on a tree drunkenly. | ||
| There was that. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson is referencing a really dishonest story. | ||
| This was about a man named Scott Charney, who pled guilty not to planning a gas attack on the deplorable, but to discussing one. | ||
| He had zero intention to commit an acid attack, or any type of attack for that matter. | ||
| His offense was so severe, though, that he just had to do 48 hours of community service, after which point his record was expunged. | ||
| So, it wasn't a very serious thing. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| Charney was arrested. | ||
| Literal terrorist, you mean. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Charney was arrested because James O 'Keefe had secretly recorded him discussing the idea of a quote-unquote acid attack on the deplorable. | ||
| The conversation was about pulling the fire alarms and throwing a stink bomb, by the way. | ||
| But of course, Paul Joseph Watson and his ilk make it out to be mustard gas or some shit. | ||
| Why isn't O 'Keefe in jail? | ||
| Because he plied it down. | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
| Not this one, another one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Charney was a member of the group Disrupt J20, which was a group that was all about disrupting events surrounding the inauguration. | ||
| It's easy to paint them as being solely anti-Trump as a group because Trump won. | ||
| But at least one of the representatives has gone on record that they would have been just as active if Hillary won. | ||
| This is suspiciously absent from a group. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Representatives from Disrupt J20 have said they knew that the person they were talking to was a Project Veritas plant, and they were just fucking with them. | ||
| And that might be true. | ||
| It might not be. | ||
| But either way, this is not evidence of anyone planning an acid attack. | ||
| Framing it that way only serves one purpose, and that is to exaggerate your side's victim status, which is really sad to see. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that just makes me real sad on this episode. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, there's a lot. | ||
| Like, it's an interesting journey of, like, I'm bummed out. | ||
| This is pathetic. | ||
| And then, man, when we get to the end of this, look out. | ||
| It's a weird feeling to be, I think, quite literally threatened with death by this radio host and his cohorts. | ||
| Wait for that. | ||
| Wait for those feelings to really develop. | ||
| And then, at the same time, feel like they are so sad and pathetic that it's not worth my time. | ||
| While at the same time, no. | ||
| They are sad and pathetic and they love guns. | ||
| And the sadness and patheticness might only make it more dangerous for you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So a lot of Paul Joseph Watson's appearance is about how this guy, the Lion of London Bridge, he is being sent to de-radicalization training. | ||
| And being put on a watch list in the UK. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| He's a dude who was the guy who, on London Bridge and there was a knife attack going on, he charged the terrorist and committed an act of heroics. | ||
| And, you know, this is an example of how the hero is being painted as the terrorist. | ||
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| Paul Joseph Watson has a lot of thoughts about that. | ||
| Here's a little clip of it. | ||
| You've got this royal honor who was the hero of the whole thing. | ||
| Now he's been put on a terror watch list by the government, and he's been forced to attend de-radicalization classes. | ||
| He says, quote, they treat me like a terrorist, but I'm not political at all. | ||
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So he wasn't even political, and they've put him in this database, they've put him on this program. | |
| You know what a lot of shitheads like to say? | ||
| I'm not political. | ||
| Yeah, he seems to say that a lot. | ||
| So it's interesting the way that Paul Joseph Watson's covering the story here about Roy Larner, the Lion of London Bridge. | ||
| While it is true that Roy did engage in what you could easily call a selfless act of heroic... | ||
| When he put himself in harm's way to charge a terrorist, it's absolutely unfair to say that the reason he may have been asked to get some sensitivity training is because he dared to say that the terrorist is Muslim, which is what Paul Joseph Watson's angle on the whole thing is. | ||
| Also, small point, Paul Joseph Watson in this appearance says that Larner charged the terrorist yelling that he was British, like, yeah, come on, you can't do this, I'm British. | ||
| But actually what he said is, fuck you, I'm Millwall, referencing his favorite soccer club. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, good. | ||
| Because he was drunk at a bar. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Before they attack. | ||
| I don't judge anybody for that. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| Anyway, Roy Larner has a bit of a past to him. | ||
| A couple weeks before his actions on London Bridge, Larner was caught on camera spitting on a black photographer and yelling at him and calling him a foreign cunt who stinks like shit before yelling, National Front! | ||
| I'm part of them. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Not political. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Not political. | ||
| Go back to Millwall, man. | ||
| There were a lot of Reddit comments that I could find about discussing the situation, and they're like, oh my god, someone who likes Millwall is a piece of shit. | ||
| These soccer rivalries are brutal. | ||
| Also, after his altercation on the London Bridge, he decided to drop by his MP's office, Neil Coyne. | ||
| I just wanted to go say hi, and to tell him that Sadiq Khan is a piece of shit, and that, quote, all Muslims are the same. | ||
| Scum. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| Because of those two incidents, he was taken into court, and he admitted the first was racially aggravated, and the second was religiously aggravated. | ||
| He was sentenced to eight weeks, but the sentence was suspended, largely because of his high... | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's good advice. | ||
| That's actually for his own good. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| That's best for him. | ||
| There's a trend about that that you're going to see develop. | ||
| People trying to save him from himself. | ||
| So this is a dude who is a member of the National Front, who committed multiple instances of racial and religiously based assaults. | ||
| According to British law, that is what he did. | ||
| In the present day, he was found to be in communication with extremist groups. | ||
| So the state put him on a watch list and made him go to de-radicalization treatment and training. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| That's not the government encroaching on and oppressing him either. | ||
| Part of his plea deal in the whole racist Islamophobic outbursts case is that he had to undergo anger management and diversity awareness courses. | ||
| And his sentence was then suspended for a year. | ||
| That doesn't mean it went away. | ||
| It was suspended for a year. | ||
| That means if he reoffends within that year, his sentence is no longer suspended. | ||
| Less than a year later, he was busted with half a pound of amphetamines, a charge which he again was spared jail time for, given his status as a hero. | ||
| He was given another suspended sentence, remanded to a 10-day rehab program, and that was that. | ||
| Roy Lerner has been given a whole lot of chances, thanks to his status as a hero. | ||
| And I think that might be healthy for society. | ||
| I think it's possible. | ||
| But that being said, make no mistake about it, what is happening now is him being given another chance. | ||
| The idea of going to de-radicalization training and being watched is saving him from himself. | ||
| This is not a punishment. | ||
| We are really... | ||
| Look, this is us being really grateful to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't want to lock up someone that has a heroic image. | ||
| And if you go down this path, teaming up with extremist groups, with the tendencies that you've already shown, we're worried. | ||
| We're going to have to put you... | ||
| Oh man, that so sucks. | ||
| So I think giving him a lot of chances because he's a hero, like I said, I think that's probably healthy for society. | ||
| But they're trying and going out of their way to save him from himself, which may not be healthy for society. | ||
| Because eventually the dam's gonna break. | ||
| God, that sucks so hard that you can be... | ||
| Like, he just... | ||
| He's just a fucking Islamophobic monster who accidentally attacked at the right time. | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| It's almost a coincidence. | ||
| It's like if he was trying to punch every Muslim that he ever saw, sooner or later one of them would be actually bad, and then he'd be a hero. | ||
| That's annoying. | ||
| That's one way to look at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the problems with the right-wing propagandists like Paul Jo's Watson is that their world and how they make their money doesn't allow for complexity. | ||
| Everyone has to be all good or all bad, and that's just not realistic at all. | ||
| Just like how some generally good people do bad, bad things sometimes, it's also the case that sometimes total pieces of shit rise to the levels of heroics when their mettle is tested. | ||
| Staking everything on this guy always being in the right because one time he was drunk and fought the right people seems like a bad way to live. | ||
| And from everything I can tell, it seems like Roy Larner is a piece of shit who just did something amazing one time. | ||
| And it's something that I don't know if I would have the wherewithal to be able to do. | ||
| I hope that should I be tested in such a way I would rise to the occasion, but I don't fucking know. | ||
| Dude with knives slashing around, charging at him? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I'm impressed by being able to do that. | ||
| But now we've come to the point of the episode where everything goes wrong, Jordan. | ||
| So, before we were doing good? | ||
| Relatively. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, it's interesting. | ||
| You know how the past and the present combine when we look at them? | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| You know who shows up? | ||
| You say 1.6 million. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You know who shows up on July 1st? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| God damn it, Dan! | ||
| Stuart Rhodes showed up on July 1st, and he had some reminiscent things to say. | ||
| President Trump is going to take decisive action right now. | ||
| In addition to declaring Antifa a terrorist organization, he should go ahead and disfederalize the National Guard and deploy them into both California and Oregon. | ||
| And while he's there, not just press Antifa, but also start rounding up illegal aliens and hoarding them using the National Guard, frankly. | ||
| That's what he has to do. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| He can't say that. | ||
| He's not supposed to believe that that's okay. | ||
| Well, Alex obviously isn't supposed to be able... | ||
| Based on everything he believes, he should be against the idea of an executive, a president, federalizing the National Guard and taking them into states where the governor doesn't want them to be used for that purpose. | ||
| That's against states' rights. | ||
| That's opposed to literally everything he believes in. | ||
| But he's for it now. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Stuart Rhodes, first of all, I gotta say, this drives me fucking crazy that he needs to change the battery on his smoke detector. | ||
| Because it keeps beeping in the background, and it's driving me nuts listening to this. | ||
| Very small issue in terms of the interview and the problems that are here. | ||
| Right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| That's the issue, okay? | ||
| Sure, sure, the content is awful, but, you know, set design is important, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dogs barking in the background. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| Larry Nichols is the only person that gets away with that, Stuart. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| And that's because he dropped an album. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I forgot about that. | ||
| Bangers. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So what Stuart is saying there in that last clip was enough to make me be like, oh God, oh God. | ||
| We got the president, the head of the Oath Keepers coming in and saying that Trump needs to declare a vaguely, nebulously defined group of people who oppose fascism to be a terrorist group. | ||
| And not only that, needs to federalize the National Guard, take them into... | ||
| Two left-leaning states in order to militarily suppress this anti-fascist counter-demonstration. | ||
| Which, again, has no centralized leadership. | ||
| And while we're at it... | ||
| Find every illegal immigrant and kick him out of the country. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's just a bonus, you know? | ||
| That's profoundly fucked up. | ||
| Objective one and objective two. | ||
| You're still going for one. | ||
| That, to me, was like, well, I mean, that's what you'd expect a shithead to say, but it's fucking crazy to hear. | ||
| And his delivery is so monotone and sort of blasé, so matter of fact, it's very fucked up. | ||
| But it has nothing on what's to come. | ||
| In his next clip, man, you can't get more fucked up than this. | ||
| They just attacked a bunch of people with acid in Portland, and CNN's calling them heroes, and Fox is barely reporting it. | ||
| I mean, this is crazy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| So we should recognize we're already in a civil war. | ||
| We've talked about this before with Mount Bracken. | ||
| We've been in a cold civil war for years. | ||
| But the left, I believe, is ramping it up. | ||
| And we should just go ahead and just turn it around now. | ||
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| of President Trump declaring what it is and declaring an insurrection and deploying the military on the border to seal it. | ||
| And then internally, he should use the National Guard and he should call on us, the retired military veterans out there in particular, and bring us into service, too, as the military So, on our last episode in 2013, we were discussing, basically... | ||
| How Stuart Rhodes was coming in and making an appearance and largely a lot of his rhetoric seemed to be about the idea of finding ways to justify being able to kill your political enemies. | ||
| Now, six years later, what do we do on our very next episode? | ||
| We find Stuart Rhodes coming in and arguing that Trump needs to make him and his buddies the official militia to go in and with the tacit and explicit support of the state go in and suppress... | ||
| the political activity of the people that they're opposed to. | ||
| This is next level fucked up not only in how fucked up Yeah, I know. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
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No. | |
| I feel like we just got... | ||
| Now I'm feeling like we're being dragged along by fate instead of in control of our own destiny, Dan. | ||
| There does seem to be an invisible hand. | ||
| This is really bumming me out. | ||
| It doesn't bum me out. | ||
| It kind of excites me in a certain way. | ||
| I want control over my own destiny, Dan. | ||
| I was telling you earlier, before we started the show, that I could barely sleep last night. | ||
| Part of the reason was the stuff that he's saying, and what he continues to say, because it gets... | ||
| Worse. | ||
| What he's saying is so fucked up and so scary. | ||
| The idea of anybody taking this seriously or agreeing with it or any of that, even if it's only, let's say, 2,000 people, that's terrifying. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it's more than 2,000 people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's terrifying. | ||
| But then also what Adam Carolla used to call the great magnet, just the force that controls coincidences in the universe, where you take a step back and you're like, wow, that's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is so weird to me. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| This is very weird. | ||
| Partially because when we recorded our last episode and I was editing, I'm like, am I being a little, am I too extreme about Stuart? | ||
| Like, I know he's a fucking shithead, but am I jumping to conclusions that he's trying to create justifications and scenarios to kill people? | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| He's dead on doing that. | ||
| It was as if the universe came together to be like, nah, Dan, you're good. | ||
| He has to know what that implies for the rest of the country. | ||
| That is a suspension. | ||
| No, not suspension. | ||
| That is the end of democracy. | ||
| I don't think they care. | ||
| I don't think they care either. | ||
| I think that's the feature. | ||
| That has to be what they're going for. | ||
| Otherwise, they would never advocate for this. | ||
| Oh, well, I mean... | ||
| Because if there was a peaceful transition of power, say, and your political enemy then had precedent that it's fine to organize and federalize the National Guard and send them in to find terrorist organizations, guess who the fuck they would be coming for? | ||
| An actual terrorist organization. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They don't want that, so they can't want any transfer of power ever again. | ||
| And I don't know if I can think of anybody associated with anti-fascist groups that have ever been caught making a napalm bomb. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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I can certainly think of a fucking Oath Keeper who did. | |
| So It's the end of democracy. | ||
| Like I said, I don't think they really give a shit. | ||
| But I also think that they see our democracy and the way it's set up, the rules, the timing of it, as a necessary challenge that they need to get around. | ||
| And what's happening is his advisers are telling him, well, you can't do this. | ||
| You can't go after them. | ||
| You can't go after the sanctuary cities or sanctuary states. | ||
| You can't do any of these things or the country will explode. | ||
| Well, let it explode. | ||
| Let it explode now while he's commander-in-chief. | ||
| Let's get it over with. | ||
| Because otherwise what's going to happen is they're going to steal the election. | ||
| I mean, the Judicial Watch already came out and said at least a million and a half. | ||
| I think it's very low. | ||
| A million and a half illegal aliens voted in midterms. | ||
| I think it's far higher than that. | ||
| Well, that's just in California. | ||
| They just won their lawsuit. | ||
| In California, it's $1.5 million. | ||
| That just broke judicialwatch.org. | ||
| So what you got there is Stuart Rhodes saying that we need to do this while Trump is still in control of the military because that's our shot. | ||
| That's the only chance we have of taking over. | ||
| And the way that this is being built up, the idea of, like, we got to do it while Trump, it's best that we just do this while Trump is in charge. | ||
| And if we don't, they're going to steal the election. | ||
| It's them showing all their cards that they know. | ||
| They know that he's fucked in 2020, or at least they believe that there's no way that he's going to win that election. | ||
| Or at least they're insanely worried about that possibility, and this is the only way that they can guarantee that the train towards, I don't know, an ethno-state, an illiberal state, certainly, is maintainable, or their progress can be continued. | ||
| They're preemptively justifying him not leaving. | ||
| We'll get to that in a minute. | ||
| So, Judicial Watch didn't prove that millions of illegal votes were cast in California. | ||
| This is Alex and Stewart repeating completely insane and not true talking points that Trump disseminated in his recent interview with Chuck Todd. | ||
| All that Judicial Watch found was that there were as many as 1.59 million inactive voters on the California voter rolls. | ||
| This has nothing to do with illegal votes being cast. | ||
| There's no indication from anything that Judicial Watch put out that any of these people voted. | ||
| These are just people who moved away, or maybe they died, and they never sent in a notice to take them off of voter rolls, probably because literally no one ever does that. | ||
| Presenting this as proof in any way that California admitted that they had millions or more illegal votes cast in any election is an absolute lie. | ||
| These people are liars and they're lying because they want to kill people and they don't want to miss their chance. | ||
| It's just not fair, Dan. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Why are you guys doing this? | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Play by the rules and live in reality with the rest of us and stop trying to kill us. | ||
| I know. | ||
| There's part of me that is, like, I... | ||
| This is not true, but it's the way that my mind is wrapping itself around what's going on right now is, like, immediately following the loss of the Civil War, like, the... | ||
| People in the Confederate South kind of got together and were like, do you know what was the problem? | ||
| We didn't take the military with us when we left. | ||
| So what if we just had control of it and then tried to secede? | ||
| That's silly and all that stuff, but it does have that feel of like, this is a group of people feeling like they have their chance to win the Civil War in 1865, finally. | ||
| Yeah, no, it does feel that way. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex does what he always does, which is express what he wants by saying that he doesn't want it, but he does want it, but it's someone else's fault that it has to happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I want to specifically get in to what you just said, because it's true. | ||
| I don't want a violent revolution. | ||
| I don't want to offensively launch anything. | ||
| But when the left is terrorist, they're foreign-funded. | ||
| They say, we don't believe in free speech. | ||
| We're going to overthrow the government. | ||
| We're going to kill our political opposition. | ||
| And they're out there chemical attacking people. | ||
| They're saying, we're going to attack 4th of July parades. | ||
| The mainstream media is promoting it. | ||
| The borders have broken down. | ||
| The leftist Congress won't act as blocking the president. | ||
| We're already here. | ||
| We've already been brought into this crisis. | ||
| So it's Antifa's fault. | ||
| It's the left's fault. | ||
| I don't want this violence, but I've got to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So this next clip, Alex gets into what is going to happen in his conception. | ||
| And just for a little bit of a heads up, I did write in the description of this clip, this is so fucked up. | ||
| Trump's in now. | ||
| Imagine if Hillary was in. | ||
| Imagine if they assassinated him. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| And again, we're going to win this physical civil war. | ||
| But I predict it's going to kill millions. | ||
| They're going to start the fight. | ||
| We're going to defend ourselves. | ||
| They've already been punching us in the nose. | ||
| They're going to label us terrorists. | ||
| They're going to order Blue City police to come after us, and then it's all going to kick off. | ||
| And it's going to be Katie bar the door, and then they're going to call it a race war. | ||
| They're going to trick a lot of folks into a race war, and the country is going to descend into a black hole. | ||
| It's going to descend into a warlord state for several years. | ||
| I would predict at least five years. | ||
| And the Blue Cities will starve to death. | ||
| We're going to have to quarantine those cities. | ||
| Let's talk about... | ||
| Is there time to turn it around? | ||
| But let's work in the scenarios of having to quarantine the blue cities as the best move during the Civil War. | ||
| Are you doing coke? | ||
| We know Trump's got the military for now and what the real divides are in the Civil War. | ||
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Is this coke talking? | |
| It's time to really be honest about all this. | ||
| It's time to be really honest. | ||
| I'm going to be really honest. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I've never heard Alex sound more giddy and excited than talking about starving a city of people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Quarantining Blue City. | ||
| They're going to starve. | ||
| We've got to quarantine those cities. | ||
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We've got to quarantine them. | |
| It's going to be warlords for five years. | ||
| Like, the fantasizing. | ||
| You think it's cocaine. | ||
| I think it's just giddiness. | ||
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I mean... | |
| I think it's excitement. | ||
| He sounds like I... | ||
| He's thrilled about the idea of terrorizing millions of people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Starving them to death in cities where you keep them in at gunpoint. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Did he steal all of this from Charles Manson? | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what Manson was saying was going to happen. | ||
| I know that Alex does think this is coming down fast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Helter Skelter, man. | ||
| So, I know that Stewart has already kind of referenced this, but in this next clip they talk about how this has got to happen soon because Trump isn't, you know, like his term ends in 2020 and we have to do this when Trump is in charge. | ||
| And if it's going to kick off, and of course the thing that's back in your mind is, well, if we do any of these things, if he deploys the military on the border, he sends the National Guard out there and federalizes them and has them go around and round up illegal aliens, then it will cause a revolution or cause a civil war in this country. | ||
| Well, so be it. | ||
| The left is going to go kinetic. | ||
| Let it happen while Trump is commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. | ||
| So he's saying that if Trump does these things or he federalizes the National Guard and starts ethnically cleansing the country... | ||
| Which is what he just described. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| In, you know, not as many words, maybe. | ||
| You know who rounded up people, Dan? | ||
| I know one guy. | ||
| He used to sell oil paintings. | ||
| On the Boston boardwalk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's saying that if they do that, then the left is going to start a civil war, so fucking let's do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So... | ||
| He compares it to when you're feeling sick and you've just got to throw up. | ||
| Go ahead and throw up. | ||
| You'll feel better afterwards. | ||
| But they're talking about a fucking civil war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're describing it as a self-defensive war, even though literally it is an offensive war from Trump. | ||
| Like, they're just advocating a coup. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| He's just federalizing the National Guard and kicking a bunch of people out of the country. | ||
| And then Antifa gets really mad about that, and they offensively start... | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Chicken and egg. | ||
| But he was the one... | ||
| Chicken and egg. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But, like, atrocities are bad? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm not going to disagree with that. | ||
| But you're the one. | ||
| Chicken and egg. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, you... | ||
| Tough to figure out how to phrase this. | ||
| So you in the past have expressed ideas that a lot of Trump people probably wouldn't accept him losing in the 2020 election. | ||
| And my position on that is I think that you're being a little extreme. | ||
| Because I have lived through Alex's rhetoric and I know that that was what he was saying about Obama at the end of his second term. | ||
| It's kind of a sensational... | ||
| I'm looking forward to your hammer. | ||
| Well, you and I are both bad at predicting things. | ||
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| And I do think that that's a dangerous prediction to make. | ||
| I think it's unfair, generally speaking. | ||
| And I still do for the most part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except when we're talking about Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Because he very explicitly in this next clip is saying that, yeah, me and my friends, we're not going to accept the results of the 2020 election. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| And I think that if they were to do this and steal the election, I think the political right in this country will not accept the results. | ||
| We'll be in a civil war anyway. | ||
| So you might as well just, it's kind of like being sick and you need to throw up, right? | ||
| You just take your finger down your throat and get it over with, and get it over with now so that you're not as bad off later. | ||
| Cute analogy. | ||
| So, I mean, like, if you have already used this judicial watch bullshit to lie, to prove that everyone's going to steal an election, then no matter what, if Trump loses, you're going to say it was stolen, and now you've already framed it that if the election is stolen, based on my definition of that, a civil war is going to break out. | ||
| We're going to start a civil war if Trump loses the election, so we might as well do it now. | ||
| All of this is Stuart Rhodes arguing, if not now, when? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's no time like the present for a civil war. | ||
| Start killing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Everybody, open season. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| It's preemptive. | ||
| Because he knows that eventually Antifa's going to kill somebody. | ||
| And Andy was struck with, as he said before, cups full of concrete. | ||
| So this is actually lethal force, and eventually Antifa's going to kill somebody. | ||
| Fah has already killed somebody. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You forget about Charlottesville. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They didn't do that. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Look, it was mental illness, Dan. | ||
| He was on Prozac, Dan. | ||
| He was the lone actor, Dan. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But at the same time, if you're going to make this argument, and in that he's even lying about the concrete nonsense, the idea that eventually they're going to kill somebody, so we've got to take care of this. | ||
| Flip that logic around. | ||
| One of your guys killed somebody already. | ||
| Well, they're not afraid of it because they have all the guns. | ||
| So, buddy, come on. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So in this next clip, Stuart Rhodes quotes Tim Pool about something and makes a very dumb point. | ||
| Tim Pool was saying that what this is is Antifa is an identitarian white movement. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| It's almost predominantly, like, 99% white. | ||
| It's young white liberals who have been conditioned like a zombie invasion, basically, to hate their own country. | ||
| And so they'll fight to the death. | ||
| And as I said before on your show, they'll fight to the death believing that they're being killed by Nazis. | ||
| When us veterans get up and take them to the task and beat them and kill them in the streets in the Civil War, they will die believing with all their heart that they're fighting Nazis like their grandparents did in the... | ||
| And let me stop you there. | ||
| That's profound. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| That is profoundly fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I heard that clip the first time listening through, my heart fluttered. | ||
| Like, I got a real sense of, holy shit, I can't believe we've reached a point where someone who is the head of an organization of people who have had domestic terrorists within their ranks. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The guy who is the head of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Feels comfortable coming on a program, talking about how we've got to do a civil war, so we might as well do it now, and then talking about, with a blasé indifference almost, the idea of killing people in the streets. | ||
| When we kill them in the streets, they'll think that they were fighting against fascists. | ||
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| I don't understand. | ||
| Okay, now I get what you're saying. | ||
| I get you're saying that that sounds like something a fascist would say. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get why you would think that when I say that they will regret it whenever we're murdering them in the streets for their political beliefs. | ||
| I just can't believe it. | ||
| That does sound fascist. | ||
| Now I get, but, but, have you, let me give you a quote by Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Let me quote. | ||
| Go ahead and fuck him up. | ||
| Yeah, I cannot believe that. | ||
| Like, that is acceptable in any way. | ||
| And I can't believe that I haven't heard media covering this. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Granted, it's only July 2nd as we're recording this, but that's the day after this came out. | ||
| I have not heard anybody saying, like, well, Stuart Rhodes is casually discussing starting a civil war immediately and giving graphic fantasies about murdering people in the streets. | ||
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| It's, like, it is so crazy. | ||
| How many people are members of Oath Keepers? | ||
| How many people... | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It is legitimately terrifying to hear this. | ||
| Especially when part of that, what he was really saying there, and he hit it really, really close, but when he's talking about how Antifa is mostly young and white, he said, hate their own country. | ||
| And it's like, what you meant was hate their own kind. | ||
| There is a piece of that. | ||
| That is what he meant all the way. | ||
| There's also a deep irony. | ||
| All the way. | ||
| There's a sad, sad irony of him being like, they're a young white identitarian movement, unlike my old white identitarian movement. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, right? | ||
| Get bent old man. | ||
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| The fuck. | ||
| Out of here. | ||
| So in this next clip, we come back to Earth a little bit, and we realize Alex is still first and foremost. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| But this is it. | ||
| This is the second American Revolution. | ||
| We're fighting back, and I'm going to give you some inside baseball next segment with Stuart, and our next guest comes on. | ||
| But listen, I need financial support. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It always... | ||
| All roads lead to Rome, as they say, you know? | ||
| So, in this next clip, I think we just get more Stuart Rhodes being real fucked up. | ||
| But we want to make sure that the President gets the message from the military, from his current serving and retired military, that he has to act as Commander-in-Chief. | ||
| He must deploy the military on the border. | ||
| He must call on the federal service, all the National Guard units of the states, and put them on the border, or even better, put them to work backing up eyes to go and round up the illegal aliens who are going to be the voting bloc. | ||
| Even better. | ||
| If he does not do this and do this now, then we're done politically. | ||
| The political solution window will have shut. | ||
| It will shut on 2020. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| That's the political solution? | ||
| And we don't all execute right now. | ||
| I mean, the Democrats admit we're bringing in a group to outvote you. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| And we're going to bring in communism. | ||
| So the country will be gone. | ||
| This is how we get conquered. | ||
| So what's great here, and I think that it's what Alex does all the fucking time, because if... | ||
| Some media is to cover him a little bit, not very carefully. | ||
| They might say that Alex is saying the Civil War needs to start immediately. | ||
| Whereas what's really going on is Stuart Rhodes is very explicitly saying that, and then Alex is very carefully agreeing with him. | ||
| But that's what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, Alex is, all things considered, acquitting himself fairly okay and not committing any explicit crimes. | ||
| Strongly disagreeing. | ||
| No, no, I mean in, like, not explicitly committing a crime. | ||
| I think agreeing with Stuart is, like, it's tantamount to saying it yourself. | ||
| I understand that there's a difference, probably legally and factually, but... | ||
| Intention-wise. | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| And meaning behind your words, I don't think there's a relevant difference. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So in this next clip, which is the last one we have of Stuart, and then we just have one palate cleanser afterwards, they discuss, Alex and Stuart discuss how it's not just Antifa that's going to get killed in the streets. | ||
| Well, that's comforting? | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And everybody I know is just, they're like, tell us, Alex, when we stop paying taxes and we start doing whatever we want and we start going after people. | ||
| And by the way, my listeners aren't dumb. | ||
| They're not dumb. | ||
| People aren't going to go find antifa. | ||
| We're going to, and I don't want this to happen, but I hope all the politicians and bureaucrats and people know Santa Claus has been making a list. | ||
| This is unintended consequences. | ||
| The idea that, like, politicians are also going to get it. | ||
| Well, they didn't understand that when you go into a warfare like that, a civil war... | ||
| It's going to be their entire command and control. | ||
| It's going to include the journalists. | ||
| It's going to include the leftist journalists who are pushing their propaganda. | ||
| This is something that happens in every civil war. | ||
| And that's why they've been pre-preparing that Trump's attacking journalists, even though they're attacking him and causing the civil war. | ||
| They want to cause the war and then make themselves victims when they get in big trouble. | ||
| They're really playing with fire. | ||
| They've got a tiger by the tail. | ||
| Thank you, Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| I am sickened by this. | ||
| I am absolutely sickened by this rhetoric being put out, even by someone I hate. | ||
| I don't understand how anybody in good conscience can do a show like this. | ||
| Like, the idea that you can start with this excessively over-the-top propaganda lie about chemical weapons and milkshakes and then have Stuart Rhodes on your show to use what you've built. | ||
| In the first hour and a half of the show or so to come in and advocate for a civil war that we might as well fucking do now. | ||
| And by the way, we're going to kill journalists too. | ||
| And they asked for it because they're the ones who are saying Trump's attacking them when they're really starting the civil war. | ||
| It's insanely fucked up. | ||
| If people take this seriously, the danger of an appearance like this, an interview like this, it gets impossible to overstate. | ||
| I pray that nothing happens. | ||
| I pray that no one... | ||
| Is inspired to action by this. | ||
| But these sorts of things make me really worried that Alex is trying to manifest the predictions that he's making about the 4th of July parades and 4th of July rallies. | ||
| He's trying to get people in a mind state where it is trigger-happy time. | ||
| It's already the revolution. | ||
| And if the revolution's going to kick off, it better well shot her around the world happening on the 4th of July? | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Why not? | ||
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| It's the stuff of books and movies. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It's the stuff of movies. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| This is so dangerous. | ||
| I don't know if it's illegal, but, man, it feels like it. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| Fucking feels like it. | ||
| God, do you know who explained best what it is he's trying to do? | ||
| Him? | ||
| Whenever he's described what the left is trying to do? | ||
| I mean, we keep coming back to that. | ||
| You know, they're trying to start a war, but then say that they're the victims of the war, so they justify their... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Jesus Christ, man. | ||
| It's a pretty consistent far-right strategy that's happened for decades. | ||
| So fucking unfair. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Speaking of unfair, what happens after this is Alex has an interview with Soph. | ||
| I don't know if you've heard of her, but she's a racist 14-year-old who does YouTube videos. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And this podcast will never cover her appearances on the show. | ||
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Good. | |
| I think it's a disgrace to cover it. | ||
| I think it's beneath us, quite frankly. | ||
| And I have no interest in spending my time critiquing the political views of someone who's still in high school. | ||
| There is something really disgraceful about Alex doing the show that he does and then having a 14, 15-year-old who says horrible things on his show as if she's an expert. | ||
| In the middle of the interview, she's complaining about her principal. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| It is. | ||
| No, that's not real. | ||
| I just don't know what to do with that. | ||
| And so we're not going to cover it. | ||
| And it's not some sort of like... | ||
| I don't know how to put it, but I just can't... | ||
| I don't think I could deal with my feelings that I would have about us spending any time on that. | ||
| So it is what it is. | ||
| It happened. | ||
| And I'm not talking about it. | ||
| I don't think I can handle it even like just physically from a... | ||
| From a whiplash situation, it's like, okay, if Johnny Carson had Goebbels on and then his next guest was a dog trainer and the dog can do little flips, I just wouldn't be able to hand it. | ||
| I think that's not analogous. | ||
| Maybe it's a racist dog that can do flips. | ||
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A little better. | |
| There we go. | ||
| And I wouldn't even bring it up today, but it's not the first time that she's been on. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I didn't talk about it before because I felt like it was something that was best. | ||
| Just ignored. | ||
| But, I mean, it looks like she's going to be a part of his stable now, so I feel like I'll bring it up that it happened, but not getting into it. | ||
| Man, if being a regular child star fucks up your life, imagine being a racist 14-year-old YouTube child star. | ||
| That's a big part of it, too, is the idea of, like, I don't think, like, as terrible as a number of the things I've seen. | ||
| Of her say. | ||
| I don't feel like it's right for me as a 35-year-old to take seriously the political views of a 14-year-old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or to be like... | ||
| To imagine that they are going to remain the same. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be silly. | ||
| In the same way that, like, should I be mad at those two girls who are in a neo-Nazi band, Lion and Lynx? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Should I be mad at them? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They grew up and they're not Nazis anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what the right thing to do is, and I just don't feel good about anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, she's on. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Now, we have one last clip, though. | ||
| It's Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In much the same way that I have avoided your ideas about Trump's not going to step down, I have also resisted the urge to think that Alex listens to our show. | ||
| However, on this episode, Alex brings up something that we've heard him talk a lot about in 2013, but not so much in the present. | ||
| Is there a dead dog coming up again? | ||
| There's not a dead dog, but it's something very specific. | ||
| When I heard this, I was like, Alex 100% listens to our show. | ||
| There is no way he doesn't listen to our show. | ||
| There's a subservience, and they think they're on the winning team. | ||
| He's talking about liberals who go to college and get degrees. | ||
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Okay. | |
| They've got two or three college degrees. | ||
| That are worthless by design. | ||
| And then the system, once it catches you in a scam, like a Nigerian scam, that you're going to get $1,000 is you're going to get $100,000. | ||
| They go, oh, Prince Abubu needs $10,000 now, but you're going to get a million. | ||
| And once you've already invested $20,000 in the scam, you're supposed to get $10 million from Prince Abubu or whatever his name is. | ||
| These people will tell their family, no, you're jealous I'm getting money from Prince Abubu. | ||
| And then they'll have a Nigerian fly over here, get on a Greyhound bus, this happened to people I know, come to their house in a Prince outfit, but they have no money and they have a one-week visa. | ||
| And then families break up. | ||
| And people's wives run off, their husbands run off, going, no, the prince is here. | ||
| I hit the jackpot. | ||
| So it's the same thing. | ||
| And then they'll sign their house over to them because now the prince is going to give them a billion. | ||
| And they can never admit they got conned, so the left keeps doubling down the betting. | ||
| They're like compulsive gamblers believing they're finally going to be the ruling class. | ||
| Their degrees are finally going to work. | ||
| Once Bernie Sanders or Hillary takes over, she'll give them places in the whole economy. | ||
| I'm so glad to have you as a listener, Alex. | ||
| You should be deeply ashamed of yourself. | ||
| Please become a policy wonk anyways. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| There are people who have donated under the name Alex Jones. | ||
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That's true. | |
| Now it's possible. | ||
| In a perverse way, he's really hoping we take him down. | ||
| I mean, obviously, I don't think this proves that he listens, but man, this is so fucked up. | ||
| Where did that come from? | ||
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This is so fucked up. | |
| Where did that come from? | ||
| We literally talked about it fucking yesterday. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| But we also talked about it the episode before that. | ||
| Like, we've talked about it in the last... | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Three episodes. | ||
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You're right. | |
| Because he won't stop talking about it in 2013. | ||
| And now he's in 2019. | ||
| 2019. | ||
| Takes a day off of it, a couple of days off of his show. | ||
| Just so happens one of our episodes drops on a day when he's not there. | ||
| Listen, I want to get back to this Nigerian email scam that I definitely didn't get tricked by. | ||
| It's totally, definitely not him. | ||
| 100% totally, definitely not him. | ||
| Totally not. | ||
| So, Alex, we're thrilled that you're part of the Knowledge Fight team. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're part of the... | ||
| I mean, I noticed our numbers are going up. | ||
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That's true. | |
| I assume it's because you're forcing all of your staff to listen to our show to remember pieces of your rhetoric from years past that you've forgotten about. | ||
| Or maybe you're trying to remember what you said about Sandy Hook in anticipation of the lawsuit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I wonder if... | ||
| I hope it's him about Barnes. | ||
| Ooh, if it's Barnes, we're in trouble. | ||
| I don't want Barnes listening. | ||
| Barnes, turn it off. | ||
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Get out of here, Barnes. | |
| Bad work, Barnes. | ||
| It's just mind-blowing, this rollercoaster of a day. | ||
| This one episode, just fucking irresponsible nonsense leading to the Civil War starting, let's kill people in the streets, and then... | ||
| Fucking the return of Prince Waboobi. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just don't understand. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's mind-blowing. | ||
| Anyway, I think Alex... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is a real difficult area. | ||
| I don't know where you draw the line in terms of harm deterrence, but I think allowed to continue at the rate he's going and the trajectory he's going, he's going to get people killed. | ||
| I don't think there's any way around it. | ||
| I don't know how much that fits in with... | ||
| A robust, societally useful version of free speech. | ||
| But man, whenever things do... | ||
| If things go bad, it's important to remember that Alex made them worse. | ||
| That's a very important piece of this that is very clear. | ||
| Look, I don't know how to end this episode. | ||
| I don't at all. | ||
| It was an emotional wreck trying to get this all prepared. | ||
| And I'm glad it's over-ish. | ||
| Or at least I'm glad the episode's done. | ||
| Because I hate this. | ||
| I hate this shit. | ||
| I mean, I like... | ||
| I like doing the show, but... | ||
| I hate that his show in the present day exists like this. | ||
| I want the episodes where he's, even if he's still going to probably get some people in Green Bank hurt down in West Virginia. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I want that, Alex. | ||
| I want those episodes where he's yelling about a telescope and how there's no phones. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, that's fine. | ||
| Episodes where you have Stuart Rhodes in talking about the Civil War has to start before Trump leaves office because he's going to lose the election and we can't accept that result and then we won't have an opportunity to appear to be in the right when we start killing people. | ||
| It's just socially useless. | ||
| It's corrosive. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| I think it's probably, if not a crime, it should be. | ||
| Like what he just did should be a crime. | ||
| It doesn't belong on the air, I'll tell you that. | ||
| This belongs on a YouTube channel with eight subscribers. | ||
| This sort of rhetoric. | ||
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Yeah, I don't know if it belongs anywhere. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| That's fucked up, man. | ||
| But you make your own conclusions, and to quote our friend Lionel, comment! | ||
| As you see fit. | ||
| Ah, Lino! | ||
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That's the only way I can figure it out. | |
| That's the only way I can spin out of this. | ||
| And that should be a hard break in the theme song plays. | ||
| And that's just the end of the show. | ||
| So we'll be back on Friday, hopefully. | ||
| The world doesn't end on the 4th. | ||
| It'll be nice. | ||
| It'll be nice. | ||
| Well, we'll be recording. | ||
| So if the world ends, you'll at least get a recording of us screaming, I guess? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We might have to do a real late-night recording. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| But we'll be back with something on Friday. | ||
| And until then, we have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Indeed, we do. | ||
| We're on Twitter also. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight and go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| You can also download the podcast on iTunes. | ||
| You could rate, leave a review. | ||
| You could share the episode. | ||
| You could go to ROA sites or KOA sites. | ||
| Usually a lot of people there like to share podcast recommendations. | ||
| So we'd prefer if you go to a KOA as soon as you can, just kind of mingle. | ||
| That's our new marketing strategy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think that's a good way to go. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, as we get to the end of this, I would say that milkshakes didn't kill anybody. | ||
| But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |