Knowledge Fight - #312: February 10-13, 2013
Aired: 2019-06-24
Duration: 01:35:02


=== Chicago Pride Parade (03:43) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:10]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:10]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:00:15]  Indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:16]  Jordan.
[00:00:17]  Dan!
[00:00:17]  What?
[00:00:18]  What's your favorite memory of being in Pride?
[00:00:20]  I don't know, man.
[00:00:22]  Pride Parade or Pride Festival?
[00:00:23]  Which would you?
[00:00:24]  I've gone down to the parade a lot of the years that I've lived in Chicago.
[00:00:28]  Yeah.
[00:00:28]  Not entirely sure all of the ones that I've gone to, but I don't know.
[00:00:34]  They all sort of blur together.
[00:00:36]  I mean, I don't...
[00:00:37]  I do remember...
[00:00:38]  My first year here, I'll say this was my response to it.
[00:00:43]  Maybe this is my favorite memory just because I came from Columbia, Missouri, which is a very liberal town in Missouri.
[00:00:50]  But it's not a huge population.
[00:00:53]  And you move to the city of Chicago and you expect, like, this is urban living.
[00:00:58]  This is, like, big city shit.
[00:01:00]  Right, right, right.
[00:01:00]  I go down to Michigan Avenue and there's high skyscrapers.
[00:01:04]  Like, nothing.
[00:01:05]  Nothing like that in Colombia.
[00:01:07]  It's like, you know, just like, you expect everything to be so crazy.
[00:01:11]  And Pride happened, and I went, and my response to it, my review was, that wasn't as gay as I expected.
[00:01:22]  Because you have this perception in your mind.
[00:01:24]  It's like how Alex described it almost, just without the bigotry.
[00:01:28]  You're kind of expecting nakedness everywhere.
[00:01:32]  And my response was like, it was just a good old time parade.
[00:01:36]  It's a good parade, yeah.
[00:01:37]  Everybody has a good time.
[00:01:38]  That sticks out in my head, that false image being penetrated, for sure, or punctured.
[00:01:45]  Yeah, I remember growing up with a very similar false image.
[00:01:50]  Like, my parents...
[00:01:51]  We're incredibly homophobic and really awful about that.
[00:01:56]  So I always had this, like, they were always giving me this mental picture of just a bunch of dudes with dicks throwing them around, walking down the street going, Bah!
[00:02:06]  Look at us!
[00:02:06]  We're allowed to do this because Christian rights are destroying you or whatever.
[00:02:11]  And so, yeah, it was really nice and so annoying when you do experience it for the first time and you're like, Oh yeah, this is normal.
[00:02:21]  Why did I ever think anything else?
[00:02:23]  What an idiot.
[00:02:24]  You let other people's sensational and slightly dehumanizing images into your head without even realizing that they are that sort of thing.
[00:02:33]  And then you see the reality and you're like, oh, we're all just having a good time.
[00:02:36]  Yeah, we're all just people having a good time.
[00:02:37]  Yep, and listening to a little bit of...
[00:02:38]  Hell yeah.
[00:02:40]  Anyways, happy Pride.
[00:02:41]  Yeah, we're recording this over Pride weekend here in Chicago out on Halstead Avenue.
[00:02:46]  We got the speakers and...
[00:02:50]  Now you're no longer that wide-eyed child coming to this big city.
[00:02:53]  Doing my Chicago voice.
[00:02:55]  Hey, these people blocking traffic.
[00:02:57]  Hey, got traffic backed up to Pulaski.
[00:03:00]  And there's a Cubs game going on right around the corner.
[00:03:04]  Yeah.
[00:03:05]  It is interesting to see a lot of people dressed up for pride and then other people just walking around in, like, Cubs gear.
[00:03:12]  Yes.
[00:03:13]  Very...
[00:03:14]  Very nice mix.
[00:03:16]  It was so fun.
[00:03:17]  Yeah.
[00:03:17]  So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:03:20]  And I only know what you tell me.
[00:03:21]  Correct.
[00:03:22]  Jordan, today we are back in the past.
[00:03:23]  We are going over the stretch of February 10th to 13th, 2013, in our ongoing investigation of what happened with Alex Jones after Sandy Hook and how his rhetoric evolved.

=== Thank You Notes (04:30) ===

[00:03:37]  Honestly, finding out a lot more about other stuff, quite frankly.
[00:03:41]  But we'll get into that.
[00:03:43]  And I want to say that I need to try and make a real priority to keep focusing on this 2013 Sandy Hook stuff, even as the present day becomes so crazy and Alex flames out in front of our very eyes.
[00:03:57]  Accelerates into a...
[00:03:58]  Hall of Fire, yeah.
[00:04:00]  It's still super important because barring any kind of like really catastrophic event, Alex still is going to have to do this lawsuit coming up.
[00:04:09]  The Sandy Hook families are still going to have their day in court and even like almost basically a week from when we're recording this, he has to give his deposition in that case.
[00:04:18]  And I think that there is an incredible amount of value for us to understanding the present as Alex's present becomes closer to the actual lawsuit for us to understand.
[00:04:28]  This 2013 stretch.
[00:04:32]  I'm saying this as much to myself as to you and to the audience, that I believe that this is a valuable thing, even if at times it does not feel that way.
[00:04:42]  Even if at times it feels like, I don't know why I'm doing this.
[00:04:45]  I was just rambling about nothing.
[00:04:47]  Every time we get that experience where you do a modern day episode and then the next episode we go into the past and there's a parallel, that's worth ten episodes where there isn't.
[00:04:57]  That's amazing.
[00:04:58]  Or just that guy who was kidnapped.
[00:05:05]  You've got to give it up to the Somali Pirates!
[00:05:08]  Well, I mean, had we not done those episodes in 2009, we wouldn't know Alex's affinity for the Somali Pirates.
[00:05:14]  So it wouldn't have been strange to, I mean, it would have still been strange to hear this guy responding to the Trump administration's treatment of the children in these camps with the, you know, his response being, the Somali pirates gave me a toothbrush.
[00:05:28]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:05:29]  You know, we know.
[00:05:30]  We know that you've got to give it up to the Somali pirates.
[00:05:32]  Apparently Alex must have known.
[00:05:34]  He was right on.
[00:05:35]  He must have known they were giving him toothpaste.
[00:05:38]  At least you tip your head to that, I suppose.
[00:05:40]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:05:41]  So there's that value of going back to the past.
[00:05:43]  Yes, that was worth it.
[00:05:44]  Finding those bizarre things.
[00:05:46]  Worth it.
[00:05:47]  But, yeah, so we're in February 10th to 13th.
[00:05:49]  We'll get through that.
[00:05:51]  And I think there's some interesting things to learn along the way.
[00:05:53]  There's certainly an evolution of some of the narratives that are really front and center in his mind.
[00:06:00]  Yeah.
[00:06:00]  Starring Duchovny and Orlando Jones.
[00:06:03]  What?
[00:06:03]  Evolution.
[00:06:04]  Oh.
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[00:07:28]  So, Jordan, last we left off, we were in 2013 and Alex was intermittently obsessed with Piers Morgan.
[00:07:35]  Right.
[00:07:36]  Fucking take intermittent out of it.
[00:07:37]  I was going to say, he's been obsessed with Piers Morgan since the day he asked for him to get out of here.
[00:07:41]  That's been characterizing a lot of his coverage of everything in 2013.

=== Alex On Christopher Dorner (02:57) ===

[00:07:44]  He is an attention-hungry little boy, and Piers is the guy who's selling chocolate.
[00:07:51]  Yeah.
[00:07:52]  Attention chocolate.
[00:07:53]  Metaphor fell apart.
[00:07:54]  But he is really trying to do all that.
[00:07:57]  That's been a real trend.
[00:08:00]  And on our last episode, we have the beginning of Alex paying attention to the Christopher Dorner shooting spree that's happening in California, where Dorner has shot a woman who is the daughter of his defense attorney when he was trying to overturn or challenge his termination from the LAPD.
[00:08:22]  He killed that guy's daughter and her fiancé, and then another cop.
[00:08:27]  And has been on the lam, running around and terrorizing most of Southern California for a while now.
[00:08:34]  And Alex does...
[00:08:35]  You know, on our last episode, he didn't seem all that informed about it.
[00:08:39]  No.
[00:08:40]  It didn't seem...
[00:08:41]  Uninterested, almost.
[00:08:42]  Well, certainly, you know, you get the indications of disinterest from him not covering it from the jump.
[00:08:47]  Yeah.
[00:08:47]  That's certainly true.
[00:08:49]  And then just sort of blasé, like, eh.
[00:08:52]  And I believe on our last episode, one of the things that he was saying is, like, you think this is bad.
[00:08:57]  If you take our guns, you're all dead.
[00:08:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:09:00]  That was kind of one of his big...
[00:09:03]  Yeah.
[00:09:04]  Pieces of rhetoric, and it's not surprising to jump in on the 10th, which is a Sunday show, and hear him coming back in with basically the same.
[00:09:13]  Let me tell you, you better hope the globalist civil war doesn't start.
[00:09:17]  You're scared to death that they've got patrol cops off the streets on motorcycles or foot because of one guy in Southern California, a state of 38 million people.
[00:09:28]  Twenty-something million of them in Southern California.
[00:09:30]  You start a fight with 160 million gun owners.
[00:09:34]  You let the global social engineers start this, the Bolshevik collectivists.
[00:09:38]  Whoa!
[00:09:39]  When did they get involved?
[00:09:41]  You let them get you into this while they sit back.
[00:09:44]  Do you have any idea what's going to happen if 1% of that one point, if 1% of that 160 million fight back and just go out and go after one person and then disappear and never seen again?
[00:09:57]  That's 1.6 million combatants.
[00:09:59]  Can you do the math?
[00:10:00]  That's as many police there are in this country.
[00:10:03]  So you're all dead if you're trying to take our guns.
[00:10:05]  Wait, did he just make the implication that if 1.6 million responsible gun owners were to have their guns taken away, they would instantly, like ninja, kill...
[00:10:19]  Every cop.
[00:10:20]  Well, 1% of them.
[00:10:21]  And then disappear into the night.
[00:10:22]  1% of them would.
[00:10:23]  99% would just be like, ah, whatever.
[00:10:26]  Maybe I'll turn in my gun.

=== Drones And Deadly Subtext (15:32) ===

[00:10:29]  Right, right, right.
[00:10:30]  But the 1% would then kill every single cop.
[00:10:33]  Okay.
[00:10:33]  All right.
[00:10:34]  Well, that's...
[00:10:35]  That's troublesome.
[00:10:36]  I think that's actually a really big problem that maybe we should consider when talking about gun control.
[00:10:42]  Well, I mean, what it is is just almost directly a lifting of that book, Unintended Consequences.
[00:10:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:10:48]  It's just this fetishization of the idea of like, if we are pushed too far...
[00:10:52]  We have it within us to kill all of you.
[00:10:55]  And it is only our good decency that is not making you dead right now.
[00:11:00]  Yeah, we're definitely not a bunch of cowardly, weak-willed, disgusting examples of toxic masculinity.
[00:11:08]  Not sure I want to put that label on these trigger-happy folks.
[00:11:12]  Sorry about that.
[00:11:13]  So one of the things that I find really troubling about this February 10th episode is it is a really hard show to listen to.
[00:11:19]  It's mostly aimless, talking about just about nothing.
[00:11:23]  And then Alex starts taking phone calls from listeners who he specifically asked to call in, who are people who have family members who are enlisted persons who had committed suicide.
[00:11:33]  It's at moments like this, the show could be very touching.
[00:11:37]  And it's kind of a thing where callers are able to honor their loved ones' memories, and I don't want to make fun of that, and I don't even want to really talk about it.
[00:11:44]  I don't think it's appropriate.
[00:11:45]  I don't think it's appropriate for his show, and I don't think it's certainly not appropriate for ours.
[00:11:50]  And the thing is, at other times, the show is really, it feels like Alex is using these callers' loved ones and their memories to help push his narratives.
[00:11:59]  And even that is something that I don't feel really right.
[00:12:01]  Touching.
[00:12:02]  At all.
[00:12:03]  So I'm leaving most of the tenth aside.
[00:12:06]  Did Sam call him?
[00:12:08]  Bible Dan did not.
[00:12:11]  I will keep you posted about all Bible Dan sightings.
[00:12:15]  I need to know everything about Bible Dan from here on out.
[00:12:17]  I regret now that I haven't pulled the other times he's called in, because I have heard him.
[00:12:23]  Not as much as Old Man House Phone, but I've definitely heard Bible Dan a number of times.
[00:12:29]  It's always the same thing.
[00:12:30]  Alex is like, I don't want to argue about the rapture with you.
[00:12:34]  That has to be a bit, right?
[00:12:36]  No, he seems incredibly frustrated every single time he calls in.
[00:12:40]  Because at this point in time, Alex doesn't have a good screening staff.
[00:12:45]  Right.
[00:12:45]  Literally, when he's looking for military and police callers, on the 13th, he's specifically looking for cops to call in.
[00:12:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:53]  And he says repeatedly, when you hear someone hang up, call in.
[00:12:58]  Which indicates to me that he might not have multiple phone lines.
[00:13:02]  He might just have a situation where it's like, well, you call in, it's busy.
[00:13:07]  Keep calling.
[00:13:08]  So it's entirely possible.
[00:13:09]  Possible that there might actually just be like...
[00:13:11]  From Folsom Prison calling in.
[00:13:15]  We'll accept the charges.
[00:13:16]  Come on!
[00:13:17]  Maybe.
[00:13:17]  I mean, it's like a radio station running a fifth caller gets free tickets.
[00:13:22]  Your kid calling in.
[00:13:23]  Oh, it's busy.
[00:13:24]  It might be.
[00:13:25]  I don't know.
[00:13:26]  Whatever the case, Alex is surprised by someone like Bible Dan, probably because of the lack of infrastructure.
[00:13:33]  So funny.
[00:13:34]  But there's one more clip here I want to play from this February 10th episode, and it's Alex repeating something about Dorner that is not true.
[00:13:44]  And I'm going to tie that into the police state.
[00:13:46]  Christopher Dorner, the first U.S. homeland drone strike victim, current TV saying that, the Al Jazeera and Al Gore-run system.
[00:13:55]  And we've got it also out of Reuters, but it's not true because, look at this, meet the North Dakota family of anti-government separatists busted by cops using a Predator drone.
[00:14:05]  That was two years ago.
[00:14:07]  They're using drones all the time.
[00:14:09]  The military industrial complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about, but I guess he's with Al-Qaeda.
[00:14:17]  So, Alex covers the Christopher Dorner story very little on this Sunday, February 10th show.
[00:14:23]  But I thought it was very interesting that he's reporting that Dorner's been hit by a drone.
[00:14:27]  He's the victim of a drone.
[00:14:29]  Current TV is reporting that.
[00:14:30]  The Al Jazeera Al Gore.
[00:14:32]  Yeah.
[00:14:32]  Do you think he just picked two Al's?
[00:14:34]  I don't know.
[00:14:35]  Yeah.
[00:14:35]  Probably.
[00:14:36]  I mean, he got back to Al Qaeda with Dorner.
[00:14:38]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:14:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:39]  He's Al happy.
[00:14:40]  He's been listening to a lot of Paul Simon.
[00:14:43]  So it's important to track Alex's language in that clip because it's very curious.
[00:14:48]  He's saying that outlets are reporting that Christopher Dorner is the first U.S. person domestically to be the victim of a drone, but he contests the reporting.
[00:14:56]  It's important to clarify, however, that the part he's saying isn't true is the first U.S. person part, not the part about the completely made-up story about Dorner getting hit by a drone.
[00:15:06]  Because Dorner's alive at this point.
[00:15:07]  He doesn't die for two more days.
[00:15:09]  Yeah.
[00:15:09]  And he does, eventually, by shooting himself.
[00:15:12]  Right.
[00:15:12]  So, because I'll leave the drone.
[00:15:14]  Yes.
[00:15:15]  No.
[00:15:16]  Because all I do is listen to Alex Jones, I know why he's contesting this part of the story.
[00:15:20]  It's because there's a tale of white victimhood to be told here, and Alex is never a man to let that go to waste.
[00:15:26]  The North Dakota story he's talking about is about a man named Rodney Brossart.
[00:15:31]  Brossart was a farmer who owned some land, and apparently that included an abandoned missile site, which is irrelevant to the story, but it's an interesting detail.
[00:15:41]  You can't...
[00:15:42]  Have you never read Chekhov?
[00:15:46]  Chekhov's gun.
[00:15:47]  It's an interesting tidbit in this play that I'm going to tell you about.
[00:15:50]  Well, I mean, I guess kind of it comes into effect because there's some cows that come up, and they did end up at the missile site, from what I understand, from one of the articles I read.
[00:15:59]  But the missile site could have been anything.
[00:16:01]  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:02]  So, one day, six cattle from a neighbor's ranch land wandered away and ended up on Brossard's property.
[00:16:09]  When the rancher came by and tried to ask Brussert to let him onto the property so he could get his cattle back, Brussert told him he had to pay to get them back, which is kind of like passive-aggressive cow napping.
[00:16:20]  What a dick.
[00:16:22]  This, on its own, is illegal.
[00:16:24]  There's something known as Estray Law, which governs how people must treat stray valuable animals, they find.
[00:16:30]  If an animal is considered livestock and it wanders onto your property, you can't just keep them.
[00:16:34]  If you know the owner, you have a legal obligation to inform them.
[00:16:37]  And if you don't know who owns the animal, you have to contact the authorities to help you sort it out.
[00:16:42]  If you incur expenses in housing the animal until the owner collects it, you're entitled to seek compensation.
[00:16:47]  But what you can't do is extort the owner.
[00:16:50]  Yeah, that does sound like a bad thing.
[00:16:52]  So the cattle owner called the police because his cows were being held for ransom.
[00:16:55]  Right.
[00:16:56]  And hold on.
[00:16:58]  No, you don't.
[00:17:00]  No, you don't.
[00:17:01]  We don't?
[00:17:02]  But he said that he...
[00:17:03]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[00:17:04]  Alex just said that he was going to get hit by a drone.
[00:17:06]  He doesn't.
[00:17:07]  Okay.
[00:17:07]  Well, then, fuck!
[00:17:08]  They did use drones to surveil his house.
[00:17:10]  Oh, well, come on!
[00:17:12]  But this ends in an utterly disappointing way.
[00:17:15]  I was really hoping that it starts with six cows and ends with a drone strike on his face.
[00:17:21]  Look, that's a lesson right there.
[00:17:23]  Don't be a dick to your neighbor.
[00:17:24]  No one learns anything from this story.
[00:17:26]  Okay, great.
[00:17:27]  So the county's sheriff, a deputy, and an inspector from the Stockman's Association responded to Bressert's house, where he was less than accommodating with the task that he had in front of them.
[00:17:36]  Namely, they were supposed to free these cows.
[00:17:38]  Bressert said that he'd deal with it later.
[00:17:41]  The deputy said, we need to take care of it now.
[00:17:43]  Then Brussert threatened to kill the deputy.
[00:17:46]  Of course.
[00:17:49]  Man.
[00:17:52]  Boy.
[00:17:53]  It's nice to see somebody move to North Dakota just to commit to it.
[00:17:58]  You know?
[00:17:58]  Just like...
[00:17:59]  Can you give me one more stereotype about North Dakotans?
[00:18:02]  I would like to live it.
[00:18:03]  The deputy didn't enjoy that kind of talk, so he tried to arrest Brussert, who predictably resisted arrest, got tasered five times, then was handcuffed and taken in.
[00:18:13]  Okay.
[00:18:13]  Police still needed to resolve the case, though, so they wanted to investigate the property and see what they could find about the cattle situation.
[00:18:19]  But unfortunately, the Brussert family are truly all related, as they refused a police search warrant at gunpoint.
[00:18:29]  I'm so glad I don't ever have to deal with these people.
[00:18:32]  Fuck you!
[00:18:33]  Randy was released on bail, but the family would still not allow anyone to come investigate, nor would they even respond to orders to appear in court.
[00:18:41]  Left with no real options other than a gun battle with a family of assholes, the cops decided to employ a surveillance drone, which gathered enough evidence to prompt a tactical operation where the authorities arrested five members of the family back in November 2011.
[00:18:55]  Now, here's the thing.
[00:18:57]  This story is profoundly stupid.
[00:18:59]  Brussert was found not guilty of stealing that guy's cows, because he didn't really steal them.
[00:19:03]  He was later found not guilty of terrorizing the police because a jury decided that saying, quote, if you step foot on my land, you'll not be leaving it, didn't constitute a real threat.
[00:19:12]  It's North Dakota!
[00:19:12]  Apparently, the jury found it persuasive when Mike Argall, the former captain of the Sheriff's Department, said that this death threat wasn't really a death threat.
[00:19:19]  It was more of a, quote, cause for concern.
[00:19:22]  Really?
[00:19:22]  A cause for concern.
[00:19:23]  A former, a former...
[00:19:25]  Police officer was literally like, eh, you know, people are saying that shit all the time.
[00:19:30]  It's North Dakota.
[00:19:31]  It's a cause for concern.
[00:19:32]  That's how I get people out of the bar at 4 a.m.
[00:19:35]  It's just a cause for concern.
[00:19:37]  It took until 2015 for all this to play out, but literally nothing happened to any of this family.
[00:19:44]  I mean, they got dragged out and took some time, but they all got found not guilty, and charges dropped.
[00:19:51]  So the lesson to be learned is you can be a dick if you just really commit to it and you have a lot of guns.
[00:19:57]  Yeah, but I mean, if you really think about it...
[00:19:59]  This all could have not happened at all if this dude wasn't a huge dick.
[00:20:03]  Yeah, it seems like that.
[00:20:04]  When your neighbor comes over to try and retrieve his cattle, don't make him try to pay for them.
[00:20:09]  That's an asshole move.
[00:20:10]  When the cops come and try to get you to stop being such a dick, don't vaguely threaten to kill them.
[00:20:15]  That's a big dick move.
[00:20:17]  All of this is his fault.
[00:20:18]  Magically, there's no charges.
[00:20:20]  No one goes to jail.
[00:20:21]  Nothing.
[00:20:21]  It's good to be white in America.
[00:20:23]  Does seem like that, especially in North Dakota.
[00:20:25]  Have you imagined...
[00:20:27]  A black person doing exactly that on their doorstep?
[00:20:32]  I don't think it would go as well.
[00:20:34]  We need to get those cows back.
[00:20:35]  Ah, we'll do it later.
[00:20:36]  Yeah.
[00:20:37]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:20:39]  Anyway.
[00:20:39]  We wouldn't even get to the threat.
[00:20:41]  This is the story that Alex wants to talk about, this North Dakota story, instead of talking about this story that he's alluding to about Christopher Dorner being taken out by a drone.
[00:20:50]  Alex is saying that Current TV is reporting that Dorner was the victim of a drone, and here is where we can find a really interesting thing to examine, and that is a specific piece of misinformation from the past.
[00:21:00]  It's not true that the police were using drones to track Dorner.
[00:21:04]  And in fact, when the police finally released their full 102-page report on the law enforcement response to Dorner in 2015, the word drone appears exactly once.
[00:21:14]  He really had an annoying voice.
[00:21:17]  He droned on.
[00:21:18]  He droned on.
[00:21:19]  No, it's this context.
[00:21:20]  Quote, federal and local officials also spent considerable time debunking a rumor that a drone was being used to track Dorner in the mountains.
[00:21:27]  Ironically, the Department of Homeland Security had provided a piloted aircraft to help search the forest with infrared scanners capable of locating a body in the snowy terrain.
[00:21:36]  But drones are scarier, Dan!
[00:21:38]  They're drones!
[00:21:39]  You don't even know what they're doing!
[00:21:40]  The only place in the report is like, yeah, we had to deal with a lot of people fucking saying a bunch of stupid shit.
[00:21:47]  Damn it.
[00:21:47]  We don't deserve it.
[00:21:49]  The story that Christopher Dorner was the target of drones was first reported on February 10th, the Sunday, by the UK tabloid Express.
[00:21:58]  The story was picked up by all manner of unscrupulous outlets who took the story as fact and began heralding the beginning of domestic drone warfare.
[00:22:05]  But the story wasn't true and was clarified by representatives of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Office professionals.
[00:22:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22:25]  It's unclear where the Express got its information from or how the story came to be.
[00:22:29]  I really have no idea what was going on here.
[00:22:32]  I know the Express.
[00:22:33]  I mean, it's a tabloid.
[00:22:35]  They made it up.
[00:22:37]  It's a pretty crazy thing to make up, though.
[00:22:39]  Yeah.
[00:22:40]  You know, Batboy.
[00:22:40]  They're the Express.
[00:22:41]  Right, but like Batboy or Princess Diana conspiracy.
[00:22:46]  Right.
[00:22:46]  I kind of get those.
[00:22:47]  Right.
[00:22:48]  This is active.
[00:22:50]  This is happening.
[00:22:52]  This is the sort of thing that has real lasting damage.
[00:22:55]  Batboy stories, I don't know why I keep going back to that one.
[00:22:58]  I have no idea.
[00:22:59]  Those sorts of things, they're offensive to an extent.
[00:23:03]  Princess Diana conspiracies, but she's been dead for a really long time.
[00:23:07]  And it was a conspiracy that killed her.
[00:23:09]  We went over this on our live episode.
[00:23:12]  I don't want to get back into my feelings about Princess Diana.
[00:23:15]  But anyway, from this point, the story got twisted into reports of the drones themselves being weaponized and of Dorner being killed by one, although he wouldn't die, like I said, until two days later.
[00:23:25]  Right.
[00:23:26]  All of the insinuations go back to this Express story and are the result of a stupid game of telephone where people started speculating wildly.
[00:23:33]  The New American wrote an article with the headline, quote, Will the LAPD use DHS drones to track and kill Christopher Dorner?
[00:23:40]  Jesus.
[00:23:41]  Which is really escalating the rhetoric.
[00:23:44]  Wait, so a legitimate outlet took this bullshit story and then just asked a question, just like, hey, what if they did this?
[00:23:52]  Right.
[00:23:53]  Glenn Greenwald wrote a fairly tongue-in-cheek piece on The Guardian rhetorically asking why it would be a bad thing to kill Dorner with a drone.
[00:24:00]  Right.
[00:24:00]  Obviously.
[00:24:01]  Because he's Greenwald.
[00:24:02]  If you read it, it doesn't seem like he's implying that it wouldn't be a bad thing.
[00:24:06]  Right.
[00:24:07]  It's more to prompt questions.
[00:24:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:09]  But also, if you read it and you didn't have a pretty decent ability to read...
[00:24:13]  Yeah.
[00:24:14]  It would be easy to miss the subtext and be like, hey, this guy's making a pretty good argument for why it would be dangerous for police to try and catch him.
[00:24:22]  We should just use a drone.
[00:24:23]  Yeah, not to insult Greenwald, but his satire and his tongue-in-cheek abilities are not very high.
[00:24:30]  He should stick to...
[00:24:32]  Really screaming as directly as possible angry things.
[00:24:36]  Yeah.
[00:24:37]  And beyond that, there were also just conspiracy theorists who were launching stuff on YouTube about speculating even more irresponsibly than the New American or Greenwald did.
[00:24:50]  And all these stories made use of language like, quote, drones targeting Dorner.
[00:24:55]  You know, victim of drone.
[00:24:57]  Yeah.
[00:24:57]  That sort of thing.
[00:24:58]  And all of them were based on this false story from the Express, which some people have gone so far as to call a hoax.
[00:25:04]  Yeah.
[00:25:05]  Wow.
[00:25:05]  Yep.
[00:25:06]  And so that's what Alex is reporting on or discussing here on this show.
[00:25:10]  It goes to show, like, a real...
[00:25:12]  And to be fair, Alex is not alone in this.
[00:25:15]  Like, there's a lot of outlets that ran with this based on very little.
[00:25:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:20]  So we're going to a war with Iran, is what you're saying right there.
[00:25:23]  I mean, it's pretty irresponsible.
[00:25:27]  Oh, Christ.
[00:25:28]  We're fucked.
[00:25:29]  Yeah.
[00:25:29]  So that's about all we got from the 10th here.
[00:25:31]  Because, like I said, most of it is stuff that I just don't feel good about talking about.
[00:25:35]  And it is what it is.
[00:25:37]  So we get on into the 11th.
[00:25:39]  And Alex has noticed something that he feels is important about the Dorner situation.

=== Supporting Dorner's Alleged Victims (12:44) ===

[00:25:48]  And he believes that there is a group in the world.
[00:25:52]  Namely, his enemies, who are cheering Dorner on.
[00:25:55]  Of course.
[00:25:56]  And are supporting him.
[00:25:57]  And here's what he has to say about that.
[00:26:00]  We're going to be looking, obviously, at the situation with growing support for former L.A. officer accused in killing.
[00:26:09]  Spree.
[00:26:10]  Extremely bizarre that Christopher Dorner, the alleged person doing this, is getting massive support.
[00:26:18]  And even mainstream media is saying, well, maybe we should turn our guns in.
[00:26:23]  And yeah, the police are bad.
[00:26:25]  He's striking back against evil people.
[00:26:28]  What, shooting a cop and his girlfriend?
[00:26:33]  And then calling up and teasing the police captain?
[00:26:37]  If you believe any of this.
[00:26:39]  It could be a psyop, but a lot of evidence points towards it being one of the system's killers.
[00:26:46]  Going haywire because he got kicked out of the cult.
[00:26:49]  Got kicked out of the cult.
[00:26:51]  I've never said this on the podcast, but because I remember what happened with the Christopher Dorner manhunt, it wasn't that long ago.
[00:26:59]  I was 29 when it happened or so.
[00:27:02]  I have a pretty decent memory of that.
[00:27:04]  I had a strong hunch that at some point Alex was going to start claiming the media supported him.
[00:27:08]  I remember the way things...
[00:27:12]  Yeah.
[00:27:13]  And my hunch wasn't based on, like, listening to Alex six years ago or anything like that, but it was how the story played out and how Alex's brain steadfastly refuses to accept complexity.
[00:27:24]  No one in the media supported Christopher Dorner going on a shooting spree and terrorizing an entire city and area of the country.
[00:27:33]  There was wall-to-wall denunciation of his actions, and I assure you all of the major figures in media had far more negative positions on Dorner than Alex does, with his this-is-what's-going-to-happen-to-all-of-you-cops-if-you-take-our-guns bullshit.
[00:27:45]  That's not a very negative line to take.
[00:27:48]  Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's...
[00:27:49]  Like, his closest criticism is like, see, that's bad that he killed the wrong people?
[00:27:54]  I think that's what he's describing it as.
[00:27:56]  I mean, his approach to it seems to be like less fuck this, this is terrible, and more like, this is a teachable moment.
[00:28:01]  Exactly.
[00:28:02]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:28:03]  It's weird.
[00:28:04]  However, I remember how, as the manhunt went on, information started to come out about why he was doing what he was doing.
[00:28:12]  And some in the media felt that it was a worthwhile use of time to try and understand the motivations of a high-profile and very scary spree killer.
[00:28:20]  When you start to get into what motivated Dorner, a very complicated picture begins to emerge.
[00:28:26]  Dorner had previously been an officer with the LAPD, but he was fired in January 2009 after he claimed a fellow officer had kicked a homeless man who they were detaining.
[00:28:35]  Dorner was a rookie, and so he had to go along with a training officer, in this case a woman named Teresa Evans.
[00:28:41]  When they arrived on a call, they approached Christopher Gettler, who suffered from severe mental illness.
[00:28:47]  Gettler threw a punch and then he was tasered by Evans and he ended up being detained and then released to his father's custody.
[00:28:55]  Two weeks later, Dorner reported Evans to his sergeant saying she had kicked Gettler in the chest and face drawing blood in an instance of clear accessibility.
[00:29:04]  Surprise.
[00:29:09]  Surprise.
[00:29:12]  That sounds right.
[00:29:13]  After he was fired, Dorner requested the termination be reviewed.
[00:29:17]  That prompted hearings with the Office of the Inspector General, then the LA Superior Court, and eventually the California Court of Appeals.
[00:29:23]  All of them upheld his termination and found no wrongdoing on the part of the LAPD.
[00:29:27]  However, when you start to get into the details surrounding the case, there's a bit of muddiness that a lot of people have a very difficult time wrestling with.
[00:29:36]  What, in that the most believable thing in the world is that an LAPD cop used excessive force?
[00:29:42]  I mean, that's definitely the first element.
[00:29:44]  Yeah.
[00:29:44]  The LAPD has a checkered fucking past.
[00:29:46]  Right.
[00:29:47]  You're always going to default to not supporting them.
[00:29:50]  Yeah.
[00:29:51]  And it's an earned reputation in many ways.
[00:29:54]  Look at Chicago.
[00:29:58]  Years prior.
[00:30:00]  There's a lot of reasons why you would have a default position of skepticism of someone who's like, I reported this person I was retaliated against.
[00:30:08]  You're like, well, we should probably check on this.
[00:30:11]  Right.
[00:30:11]  So second, Richard Gettler, the detained man, said that when he...
[00:30:15]  I'm sorry, his father, Richard.
[00:30:17]  Christopher is the detainee.
[00:30:20]  Yes.
[00:30:20]  Richard Gettler, the detained man's father, said that when he returned home, his son told him that a cop had kicked him.
[00:30:27]  However, Richard also pointed out that his son suffered from severe dementia and was, quote, prone to contradictions.
[00:30:33]  And his description of the officer who kicked him was a stretch to match with Evans.
[00:30:38]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:30:45]  His father said that he couldn't because he wouldn't understand the questions asked nor be able to provide coherent answers.
[00:30:52]  When he did finally come in for questioning, he was unable to answer questions about his age, what year it was, or even what day it was.
[00:30:59]  Ultimately, he made a statement that he was struck with a club during the arrest, which is categorically not true.
[00:31:05]  He's someone who, there is a video of him being interviewed, and he describes being kicked by the police.
[00:31:13]  And it's almost certainly, based on his other behavior, in terms of questioning and interactions with the police, almost certainly a coached interview.
[00:31:25]  Yeah, that sounds right.
[00:31:25]  Or, if not overtly coached, then at least sort of led down the path.
[00:31:30]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:31:31]  Kind of thing.
[00:31:32]  But it's one of the big pieces of defense of Dorner's argument that his Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:41]  But that's unreliable and we can't take it as...
[00:31:43]  But also, I mean, the son did come home and made the claim to his father unprompted.
[00:31:49]  Right.
[00:31:49]  And, you know, his father Richard did say that his son's face was slightly puffy when he came home.
[00:31:54]  So there's those details.
[00:31:56]  I wasn't there.
[00:31:57]  I don't know.
[00:31:58]  On the other hand, there were three eyewitnesses to the interaction between Evans and Gettler, and none of them remembered a kicker.
[00:32:05]  This doesn't prove that it didn't happen, but it doesn't help the argument that it did either.
[00:32:10]  Dorner's complaint about Evans happened two weeks after the alleged kicking.
[00:32:14]  But it also happened a day after she told him that her training evaluation of him was possibly going to involve recommendations of areas his performance needed improvement in, which is seen by many as being indicative of him being worried about what was going to come out.
[00:32:31]  Right.
[00:32:31]  And possible repercussions of this.
[00:32:33]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:32:34]  So, you know...
[00:32:37]  Everybody's motives are murky here.
[00:32:39]  Yeah.
[00:32:40]  Or there's just a lot of murkiness going on.
[00:32:42]  Like I said, I think calling it muddiness is a real fitting way to...
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:46]  Because whatever you want to pull out of that mud, you can justify it to a certain extent.
[00:32:51]  Like, if you really want to put steak...
[00:32:54]  In this Charles Gettler's recorded interview, you could go ahead and do that.
[00:33:00]  And then if you want to take the word of his dad that he's prone to contradictions and did literally make contradictory claims here, was an unfit witness, you could take that.
[00:33:13]  I don't know.
[00:33:14]  They can all be true.
[00:33:16]  Or none of them can be true.
[00:33:17]  So finally, when Dorner was fired, he alleged being the target of a racist police force, which again is an area where the LAPD does have some issues.
[00:33:25]  The information that was available around the time of the shooting was incredibly inconclusive, and naturally it caused some people to question what had happened.
[00:33:33]  Right.
[00:33:34]  But here's where there's a very critical distinction.
[00:33:37]  It's very possible to entertain the possibility that Christopher Dorner was the victim of wrongful termination by the LAPD and still strongly believe that his actions after the fact are abhorrent.
[00:33:48]  A normal human mind can believe he might have been wronged and simultaneously believe that whatever wrong he suffered in no way justified how he decided to respond to it.
[00:34:00]  for this level of reflection and complexity.
[00:34:02]  So when he hears media talk about the possibility that Dorner was wrongfully terminated, he has to insist that that's them showing their cards and expressing support for him and his shooting spree.
[00:34:13]  On February 11, 2013, the day of this episode, The Guardian reported that the LAPD was reopening an investigation into Dorner's termination, including assistance from the FBI.
[00:34:23]  But the L.A. police chief was very clear about why he was doing this.
[00:34:28]  Quote, I do this not to appease a murderer.
[00:34:31]  I do it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair.
[00:34:37]  I'm sorry, sorry.
[00:34:38]  I'm almost certain that what Alex is responding to is news stories covering this development.
[00:34:43]  The idea that they were going to reopen the investigation.
[00:34:46]  And he's trying to paint the picture that the media is cheering Dorner on, which is deeply dishonest.
[00:34:51]  Right.
[00:34:51]  And, I don't know, look, I have a difficult time trusting any kind of institutional police force, just because, of course.
[00:35:02]  But...
[00:35:03]  In this circumstance, I think reopening that investigation was 100% the right thing to do.
[00:35:08]  Because if you did fuck this up, you gotta own it.
[00:35:12]  And if you didn't fuck this up, you need to restore the public's trust.
[00:35:16]  I think it's absolutely the right thing for them to do.
[00:35:18]  And I don't know.
[00:35:20]  I don't like the way Alex spin it.
[00:35:23]  So, on June 17, 2013, the LAPD released the report covering their re-examination of Dorner's firing.
[00:35:29]  If you read this report, it's very hard to believe that Dorner's claims about Teresa Evans are true.
[00:35:35]  One of my primary reasons for reaching this conclusion is that the event itself involved force.
[00:35:40]  Evans did taser the guy, and prior to that, Dorner had tackled him into a bush.
[00:35:45]  It's the LAPD procedure that anytime any force is used in an arrest, a supervising officer has to be notified, and it triggers an automatic force investigation.
[00:35:54]  That happened in this instance.
[00:35:56]  When that supervisor, who's specifically required to not be involved, which is to say that they're neither Dorner nor Evans' supervisor, when that guy arrived, he interviewed Dorner and everyone involved, and no kick was mentioned.
[00:36:09]  They examined Gettler, and he did have a scratch on his face, but that was consistent with Dorner previously tackling him face-first into a bush.
[00:36:16]  Right.
[00:36:16]  And again, it wasn't like a spear tackle.
[00:36:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:19]  Coming to the ground.
[00:36:20]  Right.
[00:36:20]  The LAPD has a shitty history, and it's one where they have a history of having a code of silence, where whistleblowers have been the targets of retaliation, and it's hard to engage with this story without being somewhat swayed by that bias.
[00:36:33]  And I will admit, as I dug deeper into the story, I felt myself countering each new indication that Dorner was clearly lying, with thoughts like, well, maybe it's all a huge cover-up.
[00:36:42]  I kept having that instinct to be like, well, I mean, but what if?
[00:36:48]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:49]  We live in Chicago.
[00:36:50]  Our cops are murderers.
[00:36:51]  Ultimately, if you look at the evidence in this report, there's a mountain of evidence indicating that he made this up, and countless holes in his story.
[00:36:58]  Right.
[00:36:59]  Obviously, police departments are not entities that you want to side with, if you're cool.
[00:37:04]  And it's always good to take allegations of excessive force seriously.
[00:37:08]  But from what I can tell...
[00:37:09]  The LAPD was absolutely right to fire Christopher Dorman.
[00:37:13]  Yeah, it seems like you were on it.
[00:37:16]  It's not the resolution that you necessarily want.
[00:37:19]  I always would rather come to the right conclusion or the accurate conclusion than something that fits what I desire.
[00:37:27]  Right, right, right, of course.
[00:37:28]  But it doesn't feel cool to be like, yeah, I mean, gotta give it to the LAPD on this one.
[00:37:32]  I feel like Alex talking about the Smalley Pirates.
[00:37:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:34]  I'm still hoping that guy in North Dakota gets hit by a drone.
[00:37:38]  That's my emotional center here.
[00:37:42]  He tried to then sue the sheriff's deputy for tasering him.
[00:37:46]  Of course he did.
[00:37:47]  He lost, and then he tried to appeal it up to the Supreme Court, and they're like, no.
[00:37:51]  Of course he did.
[00:37:52]  So he wasted another three years in court.
[00:37:54]  Some cold comfort.
[00:37:56]  Yeah.
[00:37:57]  So anyway, I don't believe a lot.
[00:38:00]  First of all, I don't believe the basic narratives that Alex is telling about Dorner.
[00:38:05]  But I also think that there's so much more complexity than even he's capable or willing to engage with.
[00:38:10]  So we'll hear a little bit.
[00:38:11]  It makes me sick!

=== Fascination with Pro Wrestling and Monster Trucks (04:27) ===

[00:38:30]  See, I've learned to do a fake laugh because if I do a sick laugh, that keeps me from raging.
[00:38:35]  And so that's why I do that, folks.
[00:38:36]  That is a steam valve.
[00:38:38]  That is a steam valve, okay?
[00:38:40]  Because for my health, I cannot get angry.
[00:38:42]  You know who else uses laughter as a steam valve?
[00:38:45]  The Funny Hulk?
[00:38:47]  The Joker.
[00:38:49]  Funny Hulk.
[00:38:50]  Yeah, Funny Hulk.
[00:38:51]  That's what I always called him growing up.
[00:38:52]  That's what you called the Joker?
[00:38:53]  Batman and Funny Hulk.
[00:38:54]  I would say that that's...
[00:38:58]  I mean...
[00:39:01]  I know that people often like to say, I have to laugh to stop from crying, but they're not usually speaking literally.
[00:39:07]  That's usually kind of a poetic way of expressing an outlook.
[00:39:13]  Alex, I think, is literally saying, I have to laugh or else I'm going to tear this microphone out of the table.
[00:39:19]  It does seem like if he doesn't go, then he's going to murder everybody.
[00:39:23]  Something along those lines.
[00:39:24]  So in this next clip, Alex complains that everyone is so goddamn dumb.
[00:39:29]  Yes.
[00:39:30]  And part of the reason that they're so dumb is because they like monster trucks and pro wrestling.
[00:39:34]  All right, that makes sense.
[00:39:35]  And I just love where this clip goes after that.
[00:39:39]  Okay, so they're going to the unwashed masses who would sell their souls for professional wrestling and monster trucks.
[00:39:48]  Hey, I like monster trucks and professional wrestling.
[00:39:50]  It's a lot of fun, but it's not real.
[00:39:52]  Well, the monster trucks are.
[00:39:54]  Those things do double backflips now.
[00:39:56]  Have you seen that?
[00:39:57]  I actually went to a monster truck deal this weekend.
[00:39:59]  It was pretty fun.
[00:40:00]  Side issue.
[00:40:02]  I want to go to one of the big tracks so they can really get going fast because it was in the Travis County Convention Center and they really couldn't get going.
[00:40:09]  It wasn't what I'd seen online.
[00:40:10]  It was still okay, but it wasn't like, you know, double backflips and stuff and people dying.
[00:40:16]  It's pretty gladiatorial, actually.
[00:40:17]  Those guys get really hurt doing it.
[00:40:21]  What is wrong with you?
[00:40:22]  I'm digressing here.
[00:40:24]  What is wrong with you?
[00:40:25]  I fucking love the idea that he's like these unwashed masses who are so into pro wrestling and fucking monster trucks.
[00:40:32]  I went to a monster truck rally once.
[00:40:34]  Boy, I loved it.
[00:40:35]  I want to see someone die in a truck.
[00:40:36]  I don't understand.
[00:40:38]  I couldn't handle that.
[00:40:40]  I can't hang with that.
[00:40:41]  I love it.
[00:40:42]  That is a bit.
[00:40:43]  That has to be.
[00:40:44]  That's a joke that somebody would write.
[00:40:46]  There's so little awareness, though, of the element of it.
[00:40:51]  If he was aware, he would do that sort of thing a lot more, because that's legit funny.
[00:40:57]  Yeah, that's hilarious.
[00:40:59]  Because that's something you would expect in a Colbert-type character.
[00:41:04]  Complaining that he's dum-dums like Monster Trucks, and then getting into a 30-minute diatribe.
[00:41:09]  I love Monster Trucks.
[00:41:10]  I'm going to tell you all about how much I love Monster Trucks.
[00:41:12]  I went to one, but I want to go to a bigger one.
[00:41:13]  And you know what?
[00:41:14]  People don't think they're real, except for, guess what?
[00:41:16]  Monster Trucks are real, unlike professional wrestling, which I also love.
[00:41:19]  I went to a professional wrestling match.
[00:41:21]  The other day, they did a couple of flips.
[00:41:23]  They didn't used to do that.
[00:41:24]  They used to just slap each other on the chest all the time.
[00:41:26]  What was that shit?
[00:41:27]  Anyways, Rey Mysterio Jr. is a great wrestler.
[00:41:30]  I want to see him die in a monster truck.
[00:41:33]  I think you would ask for Rey Mysterio's papers, probably.
[00:41:37]  Fair.
[00:41:38]  He's taken a spot from some other wrestler.
[00:41:43]  A patriot.
[00:41:45]  Yes.
[00:41:45]  Jack Swagger.
[00:41:46]  Right.
[00:41:47]  So, in this next clip, Alex is...
[00:41:50]  Pretty clear about his position, or has been, up to this point.
[00:41:54]  And I think he's gonna change a little in the future.
[00:41:57]  This is a theory of mine.
[00:41:59]  But Alex is...
[00:42:00]  Or at least his angle is gonna change.
[00:42:02]  I'm not sure if he's gonna say it's a false flag or not.
[00:42:05]  But at this point, Alex is very clear that he believes Christopher Dorner and this whole situation is real.
[00:42:12]  And it turns out that his audience doesn't like that.
[00:42:17]  In fact, I'm getting criticism that...
[00:42:20]  A, this is a staged government event, and I should just out of hand say it staged.
[00:42:25]  And B, no, Chris Dorner is a hero.
[00:42:29]  Yeah, I mean, if he's behind this, which a lot of evidence points towards it, then yeah, killing people that you don't even know or shooting people's daughters just to get at them.

=== Alex's Bummed Out Moment (12:42) ===

[00:42:42]  Oh, that's real classy.
[00:42:44]  That's real classy.
[00:42:46]  Very classy.
[00:42:47]  That's his issue?
[00:42:48]  I don't know.
[00:42:48]  It's not classy?
[00:42:50]  I choose not to engage with that so much.
[00:42:53]  I'm really mostly interested in the idea that Alex is kind of...
[00:42:56]  And you can feel it.
[00:42:57]  It doesn't come up super regularly, but you can feel a sense of Alex being like...
[00:43:04]  Being bummed out that he's out of step with his audience.
[00:43:07]  And to a certain extent, I can respect that.
[00:43:09]  Because a lesser person would probably hear the audience be like, hey, why don't you say it's a false flag?
[00:43:13]  And they're like, you know what, guys?
[00:43:14]  It is.
[00:43:16]  And at least he's sticking to his guns to a certain extent.
[00:43:18]  I don't know what that means.
[00:43:20]  For a time.
[00:43:21]  For a time.
[00:43:21]  Because I do think it's going to change.
[00:43:23]  Yeah, well, he stuck to his guns on Sandy Hook on the day when his callers first called in.
[00:43:27]  A couple days later, too.
[00:43:28]  They were like, hey.
[00:43:30]  And he was like, no, we cannot talk about this.
[00:43:33]  Horrible.
[00:43:34]  That was a couple weeks after.
[00:43:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:37]  So we know that Alex is a learned scholar.
[00:43:41]  We know that he has read white papers.
[00:43:44]  He has got race memory?
[00:43:45]  He has a lot of books.
[00:43:47]  No, that's not one of the four ways to learn.
[00:43:50]  No, that's true, but he's read them.
[00:43:52]  He's got a lot of books.
[00:43:53]  He has Eco Science by John P. Holdren on the bookshelf.
[00:43:57]  He's got the Rockefeller Foundation stuff.
[00:44:01]  He is also a psychic.
[00:44:04]  Yet, whenever he talks in specifics about things, it never seems to be from any of those sources.
[00:44:11]  It's in the white papers.
[00:44:12]  It's in the WikiLeaks.
[00:44:13]  It never really points to any specifics about things.
[00:44:16]  There's broad gesticulations towards a, it's over there.
[00:44:21]  When he talks about other things, he's a little bit more specific.
[00:44:24]  But I'll be honest with you.
[00:44:26]  I would not be fighting as hard if we just had an old-fashioned corruption where some corrupt interests wanted to run things but weren't so incredibly predatory.
[00:44:34]  They are engaging in an organized economy designed to impoverish us, and that's not even a tool of their endgame.
[00:44:44]  That's just to get us to the endgame.
[00:44:46]  They want us poor under their control so they can then carry out the orderly eugenics operations.
[00:44:54]  If you want to know the mindset of the globalist, I watched 12 Monkeys with Brad Pitt and Bruce Willis last night with my wife.
[00:45:02]  And when you see the top biologist slash biochemist in there working on zoological viruses and one of his lab techs, who is a eugenicist, gets the weapon.
[00:45:16]  And goes and basically releases it and kills 99% of the world population.
[00:45:21]  You have to understand, movies like that are based on what they're really planning.
[00:45:25]  It's always a movie.
[00:45:28]  God damn it.
[00:45:29]  Or some science fiction book.
[00:45:32]  If you want to know how the globalists work, I was watching 12 Monkeys.
[00:45:36]  Yeah, he's just a nerd.
[00:45:37]  You gotta go, Alex.
[00:45:38]  Come on, man.
[00:45:39]  You gotta go.
[00:45:39]  You were watching 12 Monkeys.
[00:45:41]  You dumb dumb.
[00:45:42]  Predictive programming.
[00:45:43]  So in this next clip, Alex talks about the Rothschilds, who are still quite big villains to him at this point.
[00:45:51]  And he has an interesting source of information for his beliefs about the Rothschilds that I've never heard him bring up before.
[00:46:00]  That Forbes list is nothing, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:46:02]  There are families leveraging, it's been estimated, the Russian press estimated when they arrested a bunch of oligarchs, the Rothschilds have leveraged, this was a decade ago, 300...
[00:46:13]  $300 trillion.
[00:46:16]  $300 trillion.
[00:46:17]  And they don't spend that.
[00:46:19]  They use it as a political weapon.
[00:46:23]  It's really interesting to hear that Alex is citing the Russian media as a source for his claims that the Rothschild family has over $300 trillion leveraged.
[00:46:32]  $300 trillion is like the amount of money a six-year-old now would say is a lot of money.
[00:46:37]  Or a villain in like a farce.
[00:46:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:40]  The first thing that I have a problem with about this is the imprecision of the claim.
[00:46:45]  What does the Rothschild family even mean?
[00:46:48]  Like, their dynasty traces back to Mayor Amschel Rothschild, but he was alive in the late 1700s.
[00:46:53]  He fucking died over 200 years ago.
[00:46:56]  Mayor Rothschild had 10 children.
[00:46:58]  And even just in one generation, the family already is getting pretty spread thin.
[00:47:03]  Pretty spread out.
[00:47:04]  You got 10 kids.
[00:47:06]  The folks who are alive today, and by that I mean the ones who were born in, like, the 1940s, they're in the sixth or seventh generation of the family traced back from Mayor Amschel.
[00:47:16]  So, like, during that time, wealth and the dynasty thinned out.
[00:47:20]  Just a little bit, maybe?
[00:47:22]  Not to say that a lot of the members of the family aren't real rich and in positions of high status in society, but it's important to point out that one thing conspiracy theorists never really discuss is how many Rothschilds there are, and how it's a real stupid way to look at the world to imagine that they're all working together, or in some sort of a bloodline-based global domination conspiracy, and yet none of them have come out and talked about it, none of them are...
[00:47:44]  You know, it's all bullshit.
[00:47:46]  Well, did you not know that Genghis Khan is still running things?
[00:47:50]  Do you know how many kids he has?
[00:47:52]  The Khans are everywhere.
[00:47:54]  Well, see, that works in that case.
[00:47:55]  It doesn't work in this case.
[00:47:58]  There's lots of descendants.
[00:48:00]  Fair enough.
[00:48:01]  David Mayer de Rothschild is the one family member Alex has ever had on his show, and we did an episode about it.
[00:48:07]  David tried really hard to be polite to Alex, but Alex kept being a complete asshole to him for no reason.
[00:48:12]  Consider this.
[00:48:14]  David's great-grandfather was Leopold de Rothschild, whose great-grandfather himself, his own, his great-grandfather's great-grandfather was Mayor Amschel Rothschild.
[00:48:24]  Whatever animus Alex has towards David based on lies about what his family did six or seven generations back really only makes sense when you view it in the context of thinking that Alex believes that there's something evil in their blood and that all members of the family are intrinsically up to something.
[00:48:41]  Generally speaking, it's really hard to hear blanket condemnations of, quote, the Rothschilds as anything other than poorly disguised anti-Semitism.
[00:48:49]  Part of this is naturally because, throughout history, a lot of the people who attacked the Rothschilds weren't so interested in making their real intentions mysterious.
[00:48:57]  A 1909 pamphlet that circulated about the evils of the Rothschild family included the proclamation, It's only after, I don't know, let's say 1945, that people in most polite society felt the need to make it seem like their attacks on the Rothschilds weren't totally due to the fact that they're rich and Jewish.
[00:49:18]  Yeah, if we're going to still hate Jews, you know, I mean, yeah, Holocaust happened.
[00:49:25]  Didn't really happen.
[00:49:27]  But if we're going to still hate Jews, we better bring it underground.
[00:49:30]  You've got to find a way to code this a little bit.
[00:49:32]  And when you consider the Russia part of it.
[00:49:36]  Russia and the Rothschild family have a really complicated history, dating back to the pogroms of the early 1900s, and the Rothschild's refusal to issue loans to a czar who was sanctioning and facilitating anti-Jewish riots.
[00:49:48]  They were asking for $300 trillion then, so that's tough to give a loan on that.
[00:49:53]  While I don't think that the modern state of Russia really hates the Rothschilds or anything like that, I do believe that there's a lineage of anti-Rothschild sentiment in some parts of Russian culture that still lingers.
[00:50:04]  And I believe that Alex might be taking his cues from that point as opposed to real history.
[00:50:11]  Yeah.
[00:50:11]  Or real commentary.
[00:50:13]  That's my guess.
[00:50:14]  Yeah.
[00:50:15]  And I also don't know if Alex is like...
[00:50:17]  You know, I think that what you're expressing is anti-Semitism when you make these blanket declarations about the Rothschilds.
[00:50:25]  But I don't know if that's what's motivating Alex.
[00:50:27]  I could easily just see it being like, this is what conspiracy theorists do.
[00:50:32]  Yeah.
[00:50:33]  I could see it just being a function of his laziness more than overt anti-Semitism.
[00:50:39]  It's interesting, because what's beneath it is definitely anti-Semitism.
[00:50:44]  Yeah.
[00:50:45]  But that doesn't always mean that that's why you're wielding it.
[00:50:48]  Right.
[00:50:48]  It's very interesting to me.
[00:50:50]  It's a strange variety of benefit of doubt.
[00:50:54]  I mean...
[00:50:56]  Yeah, it is the same tactic that has been at the heart of most genocides.
[00:51:02]  So everybody kind of knows that if it's effective enough to get you to mass murder people for no reason other than whatever characteristic that you want to describe as different, then...
[00:51:15]  It doesn't even matter what you hate.
[00:51:17]  Just the mere fact that you're doing it expresses anti-Semitism and racism and bigotry and misogyny and the whole thing.
[00:51:24]  That's what that tactic's for.
[00:51:27]  Right.
[00:51:27]  But I still think that there's a decent chance that Alex is just stupid.
[00:51:31]  Yes.
[00:51:31]  And you know, one of the reasons, you know what they say about people is, you know a man by the company he keeps.
[00:51:37]  Right.
[00:51:37]  You hang out with racists, there's a pretty good chance.
[00:51:40]  Yeah.
[00:51:40]  Whether or not you know it, you're probably racist.
[00:51:43]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:51:43]  You hang out with shitheads, you're probably not as smart as you think you are.
[00:51:48]  Alex won't stop talking about a very specific thing that multiple people he knows have done.
[00:51:55]  Yeah.
[00:51:55]  Do you know what I'm talking about?
[00:51:57]  No.
[00:51:58]  We've heard him talk about this before.
[00:52:00]  I can't believe how frequently he brings this up.
[00:52:04]  I mean, literally, they want you dead.
[00:52:06]  They're eugenicists.
[00:52:07]  We've got a black guy, part black up there, so he must be nice.
[00:52:13]  But again, it's all about surface.
[00:52:14]  It's all about camouflage.
[00:52:16]  You understand?
[00:52:18]  They use military systems on you.
[00:52:20]  And you don't want to admit you've been caught.
[00:52:22]  I've had people I knew personally.
[00:52:26]  Go, you're wrong.
[00:52:27]  I'm getting a million dollars from Prince Wabubi in Nigeria.
[00:52:30]  And I go, listen, that's been out for a decade.
[00:52:32]  That is a fake thing.
[00:52:33]  Don't send them $5,000 for him to wire you a million.
[00:52:37]  And they go, my ship has come in.
[00:52:40]  You're wrong.
[00:52:40]  And you know what?
[00:52:41]  Those people are mad at me.
[00:52:44]  It's happened to two people I know, one talk show host and one other.
[00:52:46]  They're mad at me later and don't ever want to talk to me again when I'm proven right.
[00:52:52]  Listen, there is no Prince Wabubi.
[00:52:55]  Okay.
[00:52:56]  Obama doesn't care about you either.
[00:52:57]  It's like a Nigerian chain letter, folks.
[00:52:59]  It isn't real.
[00:53:00]  He talks so much about his friends being hit with that Nigerian scam email.
[00:53:06]  Totally.
[00:53:07]  It's got to be him, right?
[00:53:08]  It's got to be him.
[00:53:08]  Yeah.
[00:53:09]  One's a radio host.
[00:53:10]  One of them's a talk show host.
[00:53:12]  Come on!
[00:53:14]  Jesus Christ.
[00:53:15]  Either that or Glenn Beck is even dumber than we thought.
[00:53:18]  Asking for a friend.
[00:53:20]  I don't know.
[00:53:21]  It makes sense.
[00:53:21]  You know, it attracts.
[00:53:22]  Like, I'm mad at myself for falling for that.
[00:53:24]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:53:24]  I didn't listen to my better judgment.
[00:53:26]  He's all the characters in this story.
[00:53:30]  Yeah, I just think it's funny.
[00:53:31]  I've made it also something I'm going to do, along with, from now on, finding every Bible Dan.
[00:53:38]  Every single time Alex brings up the Nigerian emails, you have to play them.
[00:53:42]  And you know what?
[00:53:43]  That talk show host, he thought it was just a mistake the first time, so he sent him another $5,000, and it turns out he lost that, too.
[00:53:50]  It turns out this talk show host was very...
[00:53:52]  Trusting.
[00:53:53]  He loves monster trucks.
[00:53:55]  He has a good heart.
[00:53:56]  Even though they're fake.
[00:53:57]  So that's it for the 11th.
[00:53:59]  Most of the show is just tons of Alex rambling nonsensically about the globalists and their plans, just sort of freestyle riffing.
[00:54:09]  So now we move on to the 12th.
[00:54:11]  So, in this next clip, Alex is just trying to make the argument here that Ron Paul isn't a hypocrite, but in the process, what he does is literally define being a hypocrite.
[00:54:20]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:21]  Of course, of course.
[00:54:23]  They say, oh, Ron Paul votes against earmarks but then takes them.
[00:54:26]  Well, yeah, if the money, he votes against the federal money and doing it and votes to cut taxes, but then once the money's already there, then he has it deployed to his district.
[00:54:38]  And they call it hypocritical.
[00:54:39]  That's not hypocritical.
[00:54:40]  It is.
[00:54:41]  No, that's hypocritical, yeah.
[00:54:44]  It's money.
[00:54:46]  I don't get how that's an argument in any way.
[00:54:49]  He's philosophically opposed to taking this money.
[00:54:51]  He is unsuccessful in stopping that being the way things are run.
[00:54:55]  Right.
[00:54:55]  Money is there.
[00:54:56]  You're going to fucking take it.
[00:54:57]  What, are you going to stand up against an oppressive system like some kind of idiot?
[00:55:02]  I mean, I would say that people with principles take consequences to stand up.
[00:55:06]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:55:07]  I don't know.
[00:55:08]  I would say that what that indicates to me is Ron Paul is a big lip service guy.

=== School Nurse and Amphetamines (04:32) ===

[00:55:14]  Seems like maybe someone who likes to talk shit.
[00:55:17]  No, no, no.
[00:55:18]  I believe him 100%.
[00:55:20]  Speaking of people who like to talk shit, here's Alex telling a story about high school days.
[00:55:26]  He's said a lot of things about his time in high school that I don't believe.
[00:55:30]  This is one that I actually think can't be true.
[00:55:34]  I bled.
[00:55:34]  Look.
[00:55:37]  I was a student aide my last year in high school.
[00:55:44]  I think it was two periods a day because I'd finished all my other work.
[00:55:47]  And all I watched was the school nurse put people on amphetamines.
[00:55:54]  That's the break there.
[00:55:55]  He got cut off before the thought could really fully be formed.
[00:56:00]  All he did was watch his school nurse.
[00:56:05]  Give people methamphetamines.
[00:56:07]  I don't believe this story.
[00:56:08]  Here's why.
[00:56:10]  Why?
[00:56:10]  In most schools, the school nurse is not someone who has the ability to prescribe medications to people, even if their educational level and licensing might legally allow them to do that.
[00:56:20]  What if they were cool, though?
[00:56:22]  Maybe.
[00:56:23]  That just isn't how school health services are set up.
[00:56:27]  Further, the National Association of School Nurses is very clear in their guidelines that they don't even administer prescription medication that a student is on without a, quote, written medication form signed by the authorized prescriber and parent with the name of the student, the drug, the dose, approximate time it's to be taken, and the diagnosis or reason the medication is needed.
[00:56:46]  There's paperwork that needs to go into just administering.
[00:56:49]  Crystal meth, 2 p.m. every day.
[00:56:52]  Why?
[00:56:53]  Because it's fucking dope.
[00:56:54]  Moving on.
[00:56:55]  Because we like to party.
[00:56:56]  Sign that sheet.
[00:56:58]  School nurses don't have amphetamines sitting around their offices to give kids.
[00:57:03]  I saw Breaking Bad.
[00:57:05]  This is just way outside the budget for pretty much all but the richest schools imaginable.
[00:57:10]  Seriously, think for one second about what Alex is describing and you just see like, oh, that's stupid.
[00:57:14]  Most school nurses are required to keep epinephrine, albuterol, diazepam, and glucagon on hand because those are emergency medications that could literally be needed to save a kid's life.
[00:57:25]  But beyond that, it's pretty much just aspirin.
[00:57:27]  I mean, maybe...
[00:57:29]  Gargle with salt water.
[00:57:30]  Maybe that was where, like, She kept people, they asked people to keep their Adderall in there so they could, when they needed it, like they weren't just walking around with...
[00:57:41]  Amphetamines around them all the time, maybe.
[00:57:44]  Yeah, that's my theory.
[00:57:45]  Yeah.
[00:57:45]  If Alex is talking about anything that's real at all, what he's describing is that he saw the school nurse dispensing medication that these students' primary care physicians had prescribed for them, and he's created a nefarious backstory to fit that into his stupid worldview.
[00:57:58]  Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense.
[00:57:59]  Because if Alex was right, he's witnessing a crime that would have made national headlines.
[00:58:04]  Somehow this nurse has got access to tons of speed, and she's just getting kids hooked on it, presumably for no reason and without parental...
[00:58:11]  Like, that's crazy.
[00:58:12]  Well, yeah, but I mean, what is she going to do?
[00:58:13]  Give him barbiturates?
[00:58:15]  Come on.
[00:58:15]  You go with the uppers.
[00:58:16]  I'd prefer that.
[00:58:17]  They're kids.
[00:58:18]  I need to sleep.
[00:58:20]  If I had to guess why Alex might sort of change these memories into something more salacious.
[00:58:29]  If he, as an adult, believes that to be a real memory, why he experienced that as a child, it's because ADHD was named as a condition in 1987.
[00:58:40]  And along with that, an increased understanding of the condition was coming into consciousness.
[00:58:45]  And because of that, treatment of it with Ritalin became way more prevalent in the early 90s, right around the time Alex would have been in high school.
[00:58:53]  We already know that his dad and grandfather were both completely insane paranoiacs.
[00:58:57]  When Alex was growing up, so it kind of makes sense that some of that insanity would be funneled in this, they're giving all the kids medication direction, and Alex sees the school nurse handing out prescribed meds, and he writes a book about it.
[00:59:11]  Yeah, and you can totally see him going home and telling his dad about the meds, and his dad goes off on this whole, like, hey man, I'm a...
[00:59:20]  Dentist!
[00:59:20]  I know what those meds are, and they say they're giving him one thing, but they're actually giving him another.
[00:59:26]  Absolutely, I believe that.
[00:59:26]  And Alex's life is born.

=== Chris Kyle's Assassination (07:19) ===

[00:59:28]  Yeah.
[00:59:29]  So also, on this February 12th show, Alex has an interview with David Icke that goes on for fucking ever.
[00:59:35]  It's because that Alex has decided that he wants to talk about the universe being a simulation quite a bit.
[00:59:41]  Sure.
[00:59:41]  Back in 2013.
[00:59:42]  That's fun.
[00:59:43]  And, you know, when you do that, when you want to talk about those subjects, you want to get, like...
[00:59:47]  Real science heavyweights.
[00:59:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:59:50]  On to talk about it.
[00:59:51]  For sure, for sure.
[00:59:52]  So the first person you call is David fucking Ike.
[00:59:55]  And you know what?
[00:59:56]  I'm sure some people are going to be listening to this and they're going to be like, wait, David Ike was on and you don't have any clips of it?
[01:00:03]  They'll probably think that that's somehow an injustice.
[01:00:06]  And I say to them, it is not.
[01:00:08]  It is a very bad, very bad interview.
[01:00:11]  Yeah, we're good.
[01:00:12]  We got more than enough science weirdos.
[01:00:15]  Pretty boring.
[01:00:16]  I think we got way more out there and more fun.
[01:00:18]  It's really boring stuff.
[01:00:19]  But it's also worth pointing out that a month before this appearance, David Icke posted an article on his own website with the headline, quote, Sandy Hook was a blatantly staged event with endless inconsistencies and countless contradictions.
[01:00:31]  Sure.
[01:00:31]  So, chalk him up on that team.
[01:00:33]  Gotcha.
[01:00:34]  Gotcha.
[01:00:35]  Also, on this episode here on the 12th, Alex is really bent out of shape about the idea that Chris Kyle, the American sniper, he has been killed.
[01:00:44]  And Alex thinks it's a conspiracy of some sort.
[01:00:46]  Sure.
[01:00:47]  But he still hasn't really explained what he thinks happened at all.
[01:00:50]  Okay.
[01:00:50]  It's very difficult to track.
[01:00:51]  But now he thinks there's another conspiracy because they're having the funeral for Chris Kyle in Austin that day.
[01:00:58]  And the highway is closed down because of the procession.
[01:01:01]  And Alex is...
[01:01:02]  Furious about it.
[01:01:03]  Right.
[01:01:03]  I don't know why.
[01:01:04]  Because he got to work late?
[01:01:06]  Nope.
[01:01:07]  I can't tell you.
[01:01:08]  Because he's working.
[01:01:09]  He couldn't go.
[01:01:10]  No, he wouldn't have gone.
[01:01:11]  He doesn't like that guy.
[01:01:12]  Oh, he doesn't like that guy?
[01:01:13]  He respects him on some level because he's associated with guns.
[01:01:16]  But he doesn't like him because he thinks that he did Jesse Ventura dirty.
[01:01:20]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:01:21]  That's right.
[01:01:22]  Now I remember the whole Jesse Ventura American sniper off.
[01:01:26]  Yeah.
[01:01:26]  Chris Kyle had claimed that Jesse Ventura was drunk and running his mouth off at a bar about the Marines, and then Chris Kyle beat him up, and then Jesse Ventura sued him, and then Chris Kyle died.
[01:01:38]  Alex sort of believes that the globalists killed Chris Kyle because they had set him up to take down Jesse Ventura.
[01:01:48]  And he wasn't doing it.
[01:01:49]  Well, no.
[01:01:50]  Chris Kyle was about to spill the beans about who had told him to target Ventura.
[01:01:54]  Oh, okay, okay.
[01:01:55]  But Alex has been so nonspecific about that that I can't even, like, I can't 100% tell you that that's what he's saying.
[01:02:02]  It just seems like that's what Alex thinks.
[01:02:05]  It's very nonsensical.
[01:02:07]  Alright, somehow I feel like what Alex seems to be saying is probably more accurate than what he is actually saying.
[01:02:15]  At times, yeah.
[01:02:16]  But I think that more importantly, because it's something concrete and real, Alex is...
[01:02:23]  Anger about this funeral procession is ludicrous.
[01:02:27]  Deep and meaningful.
[01:02:29]  He keeps trying to come up with other people who should have funeral processions.
[01:02:35]  And each one of them, I'm like, okay.
[01:02:39]  Why not?
[01:02:40]  All of them, I'm like, alright, let's do that then.
[01:02:42]  Why not?
[01:02:43]  What are we going to give David Bowie a funeral procession?
[01:02:46]  Sure.
[01:02:48]  What about...
[01:02:49]  Oh, wait, no.
[01:02:51]  You already said yes to that one?
[01:02:52]  Sure, why not?
[01:02:53]  I also am certain that if any of these things that Alex was suggesting, like, why don't we give other soldiers funeral processions, I'm positive if any of that ever actually happened, Alex would be like, why is the I-35 shut down?
[01:03:10]  He'd be pissed off no matter what.
[01:03:12]  Yeah, no matter what.
[01:03:12]  But, as he's complaining about that in this next clip...
[01:03:15]  Which is the last one we have from the 12th.
[01:03:17]  I think Alex tips his hand about something that is another one of these revelations about him that I wish that I'd had a year ago.
[01:03:25]  Because I think it explains a lot.
[01:03:28]  Are we going to have a funeral procession for the kids that have heart attacks on Adderall and Ritalin and stuff, which they do?
[01:03:33]  No.
[01:03:35]  You see, government and the media decides when something's important.
[01:03:38]  They decide when something needs to be seen.
[01:03:41]  They decide.
[01:03:42]  They decide.
[01:03:44]  And it's about the control of reality.
[01:03:47]  I think, Alex, one of the things that motivates him greatly is that he wants to decide what's important.
[01:03:57]  Yeah.
[01:03:57]  He wants to create reality.
[01:04:00]  Absolutely.
[01:04:00]  And he feels like his reality is out of step with reality.
[01:04:06]  Right, right, right.
[01:04:07]  And sure, you know, the media doesn't do the best job.
[01:04:10]  All the time of presenting stories as they should be presented, but they certainly do a fucking better job than Alex.
[01:04:15]  And because his stories are so stilted, they're so factually inaccurate, they're so manipulative in headline and body and lead and sub-lead.
[01:04:25]  Everything.
[01:04:25]  Everything.
[01:04:26]  Because there's so much manipulation involved, no one gives him the time of day in any respectable press or...
[01:04:34]  People who read circles.
[01:04:36]  Yeah.
[01:04:36]  Let's call it.
[01:04:38]  Book clubs.
[01:04:38]  Yeah, and he resents that.
[01:04:40]  I think there's a real chip in his shoulder you can hear there.
[01:04:43]  I don't know if I necessarily fully understood how much that really probably is a primary driver for him.
[01:04:53]  I know that I've heard him talk about, like, we control the narrative now.
[01:04:57]  Yeah.
[01:04:58]  And, you know, I get that level.
[01:05:02]  I've always got that.
[01:05:04]  But that always felt more to me like, I'm going to be the primary pusher of a news story.
[01:05:11]  As opposed to, like, I'm going to decide what's important.
[01:05:17]  I know that it's a fine distinction, but I don't know.
[01:05:20]  I think that another piece of it, too, is that Alex is pretending that he's doing this for the people.
[01:05:27]  That somehow the media decides what's important, but he has the...
[01:05:33]  Strength and backing of all the people.
[01:05:36]  What he thinks is important is what the people really think is important.
[01:05:39]  And that is a weird sort of delusion.
[01:05:43]  Yeah.
[01:05:44]  I see him in this place of, I don't know how much of what he believes, or how much of what he says he believes he believes.
[01:05:53]  No shit.
[01:05:54]  But I know he believes enough of it to have to feel disoriented almost all the time.
[01:06:01]  Because it's not real.
[01:06:04]  Right.
[01:06:05]  So in that situation, you can either adjust your sense of reality to what is real, or you can feel every day like you're losing your mind a little bit.
[01:06:16]  Like, every day for him is the feeling of being gaslit all the time.
[01:06:21]  Yep.
[01:06:21]  So I imagine him saying, like, the media controls the story, or the media is the story, or whatever, is his way of kind of, like, wiggling out through that gaslighting, trying to create a sanity there.

=== Gaslit Realities (15:46) ===

[01:06:39]  Because the only other way that you can feel gaslit all day, every day, is to just fucking, I guess, succumb, quit, you know?
[01:06:47]  Yeah, I think that's an interesting, yeah, I think that's probably a good way to put it.
[01:06:51]  So, we move on to the 13th now.
[01:06:53]  And Chris Dorner has died.
[01:06:56]  And what ended up happening was there was a standoff in the woods.
[01:07:02]  Yeah.
[01:07:02]  It's in a shack.
[01:07:03]  And, you know, it went down.
[01:07:08]  What ended up happening was the police shot in some canisters, some gas canisters, to try and smoke him out.
[01:07:15]  And it did not work.
[01:07:17]  They went to use pyrotechnic gas can canisters that are called burners, and one of them set one of the exterior walls on fire.
[01:07:26]  The place ended up going up in flames before any fire control people could get there, and Dorner ended up shooting himself inside the building.
[01:07:38]  Alex, I believe, is starting to turn the corner on Chris Dorner because...
[01:07:46]  Of the nature of what happened.
[01:07:48]  Yeah.
[01:07:49]  And how he's choosing to experience it, which you'll see very clearly in this first clip from February 13th.
[01:07:55]  Well, Christopher Dorner went out Waco style, and I know the establishment is not happy because there wasn't 28 children, 17 of them under the age of 10, many of them newborn babies or toddlers.
[01:08:13]  Alex cannot talk about the news without tying it to Waco.
[01:08:17]  Here's another example of it.
[01:08:19]  And obviously I am pretty freaked out right now by the fact that they did another Waco-style event, and they didn't know if he had hostages in there.
[01:08:29]  I mean, if they would have had 17 little children under the age of 10, would they have barbecued them?
[01:08:34]  And then said that Dorner said it?
[01:08:37]  All he can do is experience this through the prism of this deeply traumatic event from his own past.
[01:08:44]  Not that he was at Waco, but it so traumatized him and was such a big part of his early career that everything is seen through the prism of this.
[01:08:52]  Man, criminal in woods, police around it, fire involved, must be Waco.
[01:08:58]  Yeah, and it seemed like that also makes him like the guy.
[01:09:02]  I think it softens it.
[01:09:04]  I think it does.
[01:09:05]  I was listening to that thinking, if Obama died in a similar Waco situation, would Alex be like, well, you know what?
[01:09:15]  Actually, he was probably just being controlled by the deep state all along, and he was trying to work against it, and that's why they killed him.
[01:09:22]  I think there's a bridge too far, and that is it.
[01:09:25]  It is very interesting, though, because I don't think that there is a foal coming around on him.
[01:09:32]  But, like, Waco and the Branch Davidians and David Koresh are ultimate victims to Alex.
[01:09:42]  They are people who just loved guns.
[01:09:45]  You know, they were good folk, good Christians, and the government couldn't handle it.
[01:09:50]  They were self-sufficient, wanted to live in a commune, and they came in and they killed him.
[01:09:54]  His characterization of them is such code.
[01:09:59]  For government murder, government oppression, I can't stress enough, there's never a negative word about Koresh and the Branch Davidians.
[01:10:09]  There's never any negative connotation in Alex's coverage of it.
[01:10:13]  Only making excuses for why the government did wrong, all that kind of shit.
[01:10:18]  So when Alex talks about Waco repeatedly in terms of this, it's not just a situation where he's saying there was a fire.
[01:10:29]  That is not what he's doing.
[01:10:31]  He is attaching those images in his listener's head.
[01:10:35]  Yeah.
[01:10:36]  If you've listened to Alex for a long period of time, that will trigger in you a sense of like, oh, man, Janet Reno really fucked those good people over.
[01:10:46]  He said, Waco, that means the cops killed the guy, and it was murder, and he was probably blah, and all that stuff.
[01:10:53]  Repeatedly says that it's like Waco.
[01:10:56]  I mean, here he goes again.
[01:10:58]  The infantry tactic of using the armored vehicle to ram it on the walls and set it on fire just reminds me of Waco.
[01:11:03]  It makes me so angry.
[01:11:05]  It's one thing to kill this guy.
[01:11:06]  You can debate that all day, but man, I tell you, those little kids and how the system lied about that, really despicable and shows you what the system will do, have ordered.
[01:11:15]  I mean, it's evocative.
[01:11:17]  Yeah.
[01:11:18]  It's like, hey, you can debate this guy, but I want you to remember that feeling that I'm also attaching to this news story.
[01:11:24]  It's pretty insane.
[01:11:26]  It's an irresponsible thing to do, especially considering the comparisons are not apt.
[01:11:31]  They didn't tear down a wall in the Dorner situation.
[01:11:34]  They didn't set it on fire on purpose.
[01:11:37]  All the details are nonsensical.
[01:11:40]  Alex doesn't know what happened, and he admits as much in this next clip.
[01:11:44]  Whether it was the flammable type of tear gas rounds that are somewhat good at starting fires.
[01:11:51]  If you listen later, we don't know what happened.
[01:11:52]  It almost sounds like they have flamethrowers.
[01:11:54]  I know a lot of the military terminology, at least when I read about World War II, was they would call flamethrowers burners.
[01:12:00]  When they would go in and flamethrow people hiding in holes, they'd go, bring in burners!
[01:12:04]  That's not what it means in this case.
[01:12:06]  It means those gas canisters, the pyrotechnic ones, because they had a potential for being able to set fires.
[01:12:13]  If you want to discuss whether or not that was irresponsible, absolutely.
[01:12:16]  Let's have a conversation about that.
[01:12:18]  I don't know.
[01:12:20]  I don't have a position on it, because I don't need to.
[01:12:24]  If forced...
[01:12:25]  It's a luxury!
[01:12:25]  If forced, I'll think about it some more.
[01:12:28]  Also, you could ask the question of, like, there were recordings of, like, some police saying, burn it down.
[01:12:34]  Yeah.
[01:12:35]  To the extent of, was that before there was a fire accidentally started?
[01:12:41]  Or did their yelling burn it down have any actual impact in the fire that was started?
[01:12:49]  That's another important question to ask.
[01:12:51]  None of that is being considered by Alex because he is triggered by his memories and feelings about Waco.
[01:12:58]  And it's overriding his ability to think critically.
[01:13:01]  It's overriding his ability to assess the situation as it is.
[01:13:06]  It's overriding his ability to even make a conspiracy out of it, quite frankly.
[01:13:10]  All he can do is harken back to Waco, talk about that, and just try and move along.
[01:13:18]  I wish I had the ability to just out of nowhere say, it almost sounds like they had flamethrowers.
[01:13:26]  Wait, what?
[01:13:30]  What almost sounds like that?
[01:13:31]  What did you read?
[01:13:33]  What did you hear that almost sounds like they had flamethrowers?
[01:13:35]  Well, he was watching 12 Monkeys.
[01:13:37]  See, this is an issue.
[01:13:39]  I mean, it's an irresponsible level of conjecture.
[01:13:41]  You could look into it, call somebody for comment, check in.
[01:13:47]  What was meant by burners?
[01:13:48]  When you said burners on that tape, what does that mean?
[01:13:50]  And you would find that that's colloquial slang for these type of gas canisters.
[01:13:55]  So, you know, that's one way to approach it.
[01:13:57]  Or you could get on air and just be like, kind of fucking seems like they have flamethrowers, which is irresponsible.
[01:14:02]  And it's scary to think, why would the LAPD have flamethrowers?
[01:14:06]  I'd be fine if they had one.
[01:14:08]  They just never used it.
[01:14:09]  They never used it.
[01:14:10]  But it was like in class?
[01:14:13]  In case of emergency break class?
[01:14:15]  Just in case.
[01:14:16]  It's like the epinephrine at a school nurse office.
[01:14:18]  You need it in certain situations.
[01:14:21]  What if an ice monster comes?
[01:14:23]  Right next to the fire extinguisher is the flamethrower.
[01:14:26]  Just to keep fire and ice right next to it.
[01:14:28]  There must always be a balance.
[01:14:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:14:30]  So Alex starts talking at this point about how Obama and his administration are a bunch of mafia.
[01:14:36]  Sure.
[01:14:37]  And then he makes his only real comment about Sandy Hook in this episode, or this stretch of episodes, which, again, since we're trying to understand that path, is deeply disappointing.
[01:14:47]  Yeah.
[01:14:48]  That he keeps getting distracted by other major world events, and then also Piers Morgan.
[01:14:54]  It's kind of a little disappointing, but here we go.
[01:14:58]  This is a mafia.
[01:15:00]  I don't care if they land in Air Force One helicopters.
[01:15:02]  I don't care if they're wearing fancy suits and green ribbons for Sandy Hook for what they probably did.
[01:15:07]  You know, the issue is we're in trouble.
[01:15:09]  So Obama probably did Sandy Hook.
[01:15:11]  Yeah, that does sound right.
[01:15:12]  So at least we have, I mean, the one thing that is a through line that we can say absolutely is that Alex does not believe that Adam Lanza shot those kids.
[01:15:22]  Right.
[01:15:23]  That has been consistent from the day of the shooting till now.
[01:15:27]  Here we are in the second week of February.
[01:15:30]  He has dabbled with and flirted with the idea that no one died, but has generally pushed back against that.
[01:15:37]  Also was happy to platform that professor.
[01:15:42]  Right.
[01:15:43]  So it's weird.
[01:15:45]  There is this...
[01:15:46]  There's a tension of definite, it's a false flag, Obama and his people did it.
[01:15:55]  And a push and pull.
[01:15:58]  A light push and pull with, it was all actors.
[01:16:01]  It was fake.
[01:16:02]  Right.
[01:16:03]  So at this point, Alex starts taking some calls.
[01:16:06]  And he gets one call from a lady who was interacting on Facebook with Gerald Salenti.
[01:16:13]  They're commenting back and forth.
[01:16:14]  Great.
[01:16:15]  And she says something fucking stupid.
[01:16:18]  You know, I think I would probably hear in 2013, they'd be like, yeah, that's a good point.
[01:16:23]  Good on you.
[01:16:24]  But now, in 2019, we know this is stupid.
[01:16:28]  And then last night, a bunch of us were watching, you know, the president and, of course, Gerald Salente, my other hero next to you, was tweeting back and forth with some of us on Facebook and things.
[01:16:37]  And all I kept thinking is, if, before Hitler could have gotten his hands on anybody, if we would have had the system we have now to get information out, it probably wouldn't have happened.
[01:16:49]  But I'm afraid if Obama gets the Internet control, we will lose this battle very quickly.
[01:16:57]  Bye.
[01:16:59]  I absolutely agree with you.
[01:17:01]  Well, again, Obama's there as the puppet.
[01:17:04]  Oh boy, that sucks.
[01:17:05]  In 2013, I probably could have signed off on like, yeah, Hitler never could have rose to power with social media.
[01:17:13]  Turns out it's actually easier.
[01:17:17]  It would have been way easier.
[01:17:18]  It would have been so much faster.
[01:17:20]  Hitler is in his grave right now going like, oh, why didn't I wait?
[01:17:24]  Could have been an older man.
[01:17:26]  Yep.
[01:17:27]  Oh, Jesus.
[01:17:28]  So, in this next clip, Alex just ties Waco and Dorner together even more closely.
[01:17:34]  This is confirmed, where they bring in the armored vehicle, knock down the walls, and then say, okay, we've got the fire.
[01:17:40]  We're going to bring the fire in.
[01:17:41]  Okay, set the burners.
[01:17:42]  They're ignited.
[01:17:43]  The place is on fire.
[01:17:44]  I mean, they Waco'd it.
[01:17:45]  Now, I'm glad there weren't 17 little children in there.
[01:17:48]  He's turned it into a verb now.
[01:17:50]  They Waco'd it.
[01:17:51]  They Waco'd it.
[01:17:51]  I mean, it's constant throughout the show.
[01:17:53]  It's just any time he's talking about this, he's saying it's confirmed.
[01:17:56]  They brought in these armored vehicles to take down the wall, and that's not in the official record at all.
[01:18:02]  It's not confirmed.
[01:18:04]  He cannot experience this in any other way than as another Waco.
[01:18:09]  And that's fucked up, because it doesn't work.
[01:18:13]  So, he gets a call, and this dude wants to try and spread a conspiracy about, like, hey, they found his ID.
[01:18:20]  How could they do that if the building burned up?
[01:18:23]  With Dorner, I thought it's strange.
[01:18:26]  They now said, you know, there's always weird things every time something like this happens.
[01:18:29]  It never adds up.
[01:18:30]  It connects right.
[01:18:31]  They said that they found his driver's license near his body.
[01:18:35]  Now, first off, how could a driver's license survive that inferno?
[01:18:39]  I don't know.
[01:18:39]  Why don't you read up on it?
[01:18:40]  Turns out it's because it was under his body.
[01:18:43]  Poof.
[01:18:44]  So that's how it survived.
[01:18:45]  Man.
[01:18:45]  It didn't burn up because it was under a body.
[01:18:48]  You know, that's the sort of thing that's like, yeah, absolutely.
[01:18:51]  It's very easy for you to not be a super critical or looking into things kind of person.
[01:18:58]  Right.
[01:18:58]  And be like, yeah, how would his ID survive a fire?
[01:19:00]  That makes no sense.
[01:19:02]  But the explanation is fucking simple.
[01:19:04]  There are so many possibilities that you don't know about in terms of, uh-oh, other places that the ID could have been in a shack or whatever.
[01:19:13]  It might have survived a fire.
[01:19:14]  There are plenty of possibilities, the simplest of which, which turned out to be what's in the report, is that he was on top of his ID.
[01:19:23]  So it shielded it from the fire, which made them able to find it.
[01:19:27]  And that's what makes propaganda so fucking insidious.
[01:19:31]  Yeah.
[01:19:31]  Is because what you would want to say is like, why did this do that?
[01:19:36]  And you'd be like, well, seriously, look it up.
[01:19:39]  You can find that information.
[01:19:40]  A lot of it.
[01:19:41]  But do you know what else you can find?
[01:19:43]  Completely contradictory information that YouTube's algorithm is pushing to your face, you know, like that kind of thing.
[01:19:49]  Or even, like, take away the information part of it, you can find contradictory speculation.
[01:19:54]  Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
[01:19:55]  Question, answer, or asking that's contradictory in its presentation.
[01:20:00]  Yeah, totally.
[01:20:01]  And also, it's a, you know, the thing that's most unsatisfying about this is this is February 13th, right?
[01:20:07]  Right.
[01:20:08]  And so, like, if I were talking to this caller at that point...
[01:20:11]  All I could say is, I don't know, why don't we wait to hear some answers?
[01:20:14]  Right.
[01:20:15]  I don't know, why don't we find out?
[01:20:17]  Because the report wouldn't have been out by then.
[01:20:19]  But the answer is very simple.
[01:20:20]  You just don't know it now.
[01:20:23]  So it's again, it comes back to the concrete, if you wait until it dries, the idea that they found his ID will not be suspicious.
[01:20:32]  Because everyone will know that it was because it was under his body.
[01:20:36]  If, while the concrete is wet, you inject the idea that it's suspicious that his ID is there, it will not be affected by the time that information gets out, because by that point, people will have internalized it and used it to build the conspiracy up higher.
[01:20:50]  It'll be built upon by that point, and by that point, it's too threatening to accept this contradictory piece of information, because then your whole fucking tower falls over.
[01:20:58]  Or at least it's at risk of falling over.
[01:21:01]  So this is why these sorts of things are...
[01:21:03]  It's very important to wait for information.
[01:21:07]  Yeah, that was a very apt metaphor.
[01:21:09]  Thanks.
[01:21:10]  I appreciated that.
[01:21:11]  So now, sometimes it doesn't help to wait for information.
[01:21:14]  Because in this next clip, Alex probably says one of the craziest things I've ever heard him say.
[01:21:20]  And I know I say that a lot, but this one might rank up there.
[01:21:23]  But before he does, he clarifies that he does still pretty much think that this is not a false flag.
[01:21:28]  Sure.
[01:21:29]  And that Dorner is still the shooter.
[01:21:32]  But like I said, what he says immediately afterwards.
[01:21:35]  He's batshit crazy.
[01:21:36]  The system almost always lies, even when the truth would serve them.
[01:21:40]  I just don't see why they'd stage this when it's a PR disaster.
[01:21:43]  But who knows?
[01:21:44]  They burned up whoever it is in that house.
[01:21:45]  It's like John Wilkes Booth got burned up in the barn.
[01:21:48]  The guy that supposedly shot Lincoln.
[01:21:51]  What?
[01:21:54]  Is he a Lincoln truther?
[01:21:57]  Is that a thing?
[01:21:58]  I have not heard him bring that up before.
[01:22:01]  I think he might be a Lincoln truther.

=== Glad You Brought That Up (04:16) ===

[01:22:04]  Are there booth deniers out there?
[01:22:08]  Of course there are.
[01:22:10]  Why wouldn't there be?
[01:22:11]  I mean, that's pretty...
[01:22:13]  That's a big swing.
[01:22:15]  That is...
[01:22:16]  I like it.
[01:22:16]  I admire the fuck Abel.
[01:22:18]  Yeah, I really do, too.
[01:22:20]  There's a part of me that is just like, yes, man, if you're going to say anything's a false flag, let's go all the way back to the beginning.
[01:22:27]  Hell, yeah.
[01:22:28]  Who the fuck really killed Abel, Dan?
[01:22:31]  Who killed him, huh?
[01:22:32]  You a cane truther?
[01:22:33]  I'm a cane truther.
[01:22:35]  Abel killed himself with his poor diet.
[01:22:37]  That could be.
[01:22:38]  We've got to get a veterinarian on the case.
[01:22:41]  Fix that shit up.
[01:22:42]  I'm glad you brought that up.
[01:22:43]  I'm glad you brought up Dr. Wallach.
[01:22:46]  Yes, you're welcome.
[01:22:47]  He's not on the show.
[01:22:48]  Okay.
[01:22:49]  But Alex does, right after all this stuff, after comparing the Dorner situation to Waco over and over again, mischaracterizing the events of Dorner's death, taking a bunch of idiot callers who say profoundly stupid things, Alex then has one of his sponsors on as a guest.
[01:23:09]  And he's very clear to point out in his introduction, yeah, he's a sponsor, which I appreciate him calling that out, but then he's like, but that's not why he's on, which is complete bullshit.
[01:23:19]  Now, ladies and gentlemen, I wanted to get him on last week, but he was too busy to join us.
[01:23:23]  We're thankful that he's here with us today.
[01:23:25]  He does happen to be a sponsor, but that's not why he's on the air with us.
[01:23:30]  Steve Schenck of the J. Michael Stevens group, eFoodsDirect.com.
[01:23:34]  So he's got Steve Schenck, the food guy, on.
[01:23:37]  And here is how Steve Schenck uses Christopher Dorner and this entire situation to sell emergency food.
[01:23:45]  If every one of them had a year's supply of food for their family in their homes, they could stay in their homes and...
[01:23:52]  The only ones that would be rioting out there are the ones that are dependent and have to go and say, please, somebody else take care of me.
[01:24:01]  The victims are the only ones that are out there having problems.
[01:24:06]  You know, one of the principles that you and I have talked about several times is...
[01:24:11]  If you're prepared, you can turn a disaster into an adventure.
[01:24:16]  Now, I'm not saying that this thing with Dormer out there is a potential adventure, but the mob psychology, the fear and the anxiety, and the running hither and yon, just deciding to do something, shows lack of planning, lack of preparedness.
[01:24:35]  So I'm glad he's not saying this is a potential adventure, because that's crazy.
[01:24:38]  Is he saying that...
[01:24:40]  Dorner could have killed more people if he had...
[01:24:43]  No.
[01:24:44]  No, no, no.
[01:24:45]  He's saying that, hey, you know, you got a crazy on the loose and it's scary to go out.
[01:24:49]  But you know what?
[01:24:49]  You wouldn't have to worry if you had food in the home.
[01:24:52]  If you had emergency food in the home, you wouldn't have to worry about rampaging crazies out there shooting people because you don't have to leave the house.
[01:24:59]  That's insane levels of exploitation and manipulation.
[01:25:04]  And I really wish I lived in a timeline where we never did this show and I would be like...
[01:25:10]  Oh my god, that's the worst fucking thing.
[01:25:12]  You can't do that.
[01:25:14]  You're exploiting people's fear.
[01:25:15]  And now I'm just like, well yeah, of course you would.
[01:25:18]  He's trying to sell buckets of food, Dan.
[01:25:20]  Beggars can't be choosy.
[01:25:22]  Three years ago, you would have been like, what the fuck?
[01:25:24]  Yes, exactly.
[01:25:26]  That's crazy.
[01:25:26]  That is insane.
[01:25:28]  That deserves a whole fucking article.
[01:25:31]  Right, right, right.
[01:25:32]  And now we're just like...
[01:25:34]  Whatever.
[01:25:35]  Moving on.
[01:25:35]  Jim Baker said that God is going to smite you if you don't buy a box of bags of food.
[01:25:41]  So whatever.
[01:25:41]  This dude's fine.
[01:25:42]  So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how he heard on police radios, maybe, or on one of these recordings they have, the police mentioning gas.
[01:25:54]  And they're talking about gas canisters.
[01:25:57]  Yeah.
[01:25:57]  100%.
[01:25:58]  Very obviously.
[01:25:59]  Flamethrowers.
[01:26:00]  Alex thinks they're calling for gasoline.
[01:26:04]  There's now four clips, actually, different clips of official scanners and news with police saying, we're going to burn that house down, get the gas.

=== Shack Fire Narrative Pivot (08:57) ===

[01:26:13]  And people are spinning it on CNN going, they meant tear gas.
[01:26:17]  Just like Waco, right, where they set the fires and said tear gas did it.
[01:26:20]  So, yeah, they're lugging gas cans up there for the explicit purpose of burning this house down.
[01:26:28]  Give me a break.
[01:26:29]  Yeah.
[01:26:29]  And again, you see there, he can't talk about this without talking about Waco.
[01:26:32]  Right.
[01:26:32]  You just can't.
[01:26:33]  It's a one-to-one association for him, which he would not do unless he wanted to somehow pivot the story.
[01:26:42]  Right.
[01:26:42]  I don't know how much...
[01:26:43]  Actually, no.
[01:26:44]  I do very strongly suspect that it's intentional because it's so consistent throughout this episode.
[01:26:51]  It is so insanely consistent.
[01:26:55]  I know that he's still saying it's a real thing.
[01:26:58]  And I don't know how he's going to change that.
[01:27:00]  But I know that he's indicating to me that the story is about to change.
[01:27:05]  That this is going to be a police state story.
[01:27:10]  He's going to own the narrative in a way that he didn't seem all that interested in doing up until pretty...
[01:27:17]  You know, recently at this point.
[01:27:18]  He needed a shack and a fire, and then he is free to...
[01:27:22]  He's like, it fits now.
[01:27:23]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:27:24]  This is something I can work with.
[01:27:25]  Whereas before, he's like, hey, he's a fucking dumb Obama guy.
[01:27:28]  The media loves him, but now this is a shack and a fire, so I got shit to say.
[01:27:33]  Yep.
[01:27:34]  So we started this episode on the 10th of February with Alex talking about how if 1% of us gone weirdos decide to start killing cops, you'll all be dead.
[01:27:46]  And this is how he ends the show on February 13th.
[01:27:50]  And I'm the biggest friend of the police ever because I don't want to see a bunch of you dead.
[01:27:54]  I mean, if you guys are hiding out because of Dorner, you start the gun confiscation.
[01:27:58]  I mean, I've done the math on it.
[01:28:01]  I know history.
[01:28:02]  I've studied it.
[01:28:03]  The cops will stand down is what's going to happen.
[01:28:05]  But if the cops tried to engage the American people, every cop in America would be killed, basically.
[01:28:11]  Very quickly.
[01:28:16]  I mean, because there's, again, 1% stands up of gun owners.
[01:28:20]  That's 1.6 million combatants.
[01:28:23]  Now, you do the math.
[01:28:24]  You do the math.
[01:28:26]  So that seems to also be deeply in his, where he lives in terms of the story.
[01:28:34]  Does he have any friendships that aren't based around mob-like extortion tactics?
[01:28:41]  Rappaport.
[01:28:43]  Maybe.
[01:28:43]  I don't know.
[01:28:44]  But even then, he's like...
[01:28:45]  Rappaport's been hypnotizing him.
[01:28:46]  Listen, listen.
[01:28:46]  Rappaport.
[01:28:47]  Rappaport.
[01:28:48]  If you hang that picture up...
[01:28:50]  Look, nobody's a better friend to you than I am.
[01:28:52]  If you hang that...
[01:28:53]  And I don't want to see anything bad happen to you.
[01:28:55]  But if you hang that picture up, 1.6 million gunnos are going to kill you.
[01:28:59]  Yeah.
[01:29:00]  And that is something I...
[01:29:01]  I don't want to see happen.
[01:29:03]  So what you should do is whatever the fuck I tell you.
[01:29:06]  I don't understand how Alex imagines that all 1.6 million of these gun owners will somehow coordinate which cop they're going to kill.
[01:29:14]  No, they've got a plan.
[01:29:16]  It's going to go smoothly.
[01:29:17]  Everyone's got an assigned cop.
[01:29:19]  They've got a Discord.
[01:29:20]  Come on, man.
[01:29:21]  I would guarantee that should anything like this happen, they would kill more of each other.
[01:29:26]  100%.
[01:29:27]  But be that as it may, this sort of preoccupation is just so deeply fucked up and so unhealthy.
[01:29:34]  Some idea of if you take any steps towards this political decision that I am against...
[01:29:42]  We'll all kill you.
[01:29:44]  The entire police force will be wiped out.
[01:29:45]  Every cop on this fucking country will be killed.
[01:29:48]  And it's ludicrous to imagine that Alex and his gun weirdo buddies would stop at the police force.
[01:29:54]  No, no, no.
[01:29:54]  They're ninjas.
[01:29:55]  They come in.
[01:29:56]  They strike once.
[01:29:57]  They disappear into the forest.
[01:29:59]  You'll never know who did it.
[01:30:00]  All of a sudden, the next thing you know, very quickly.
[01:30:03]  I mean, obviously, he's read Unintended Consequences, and this mirrors that very closely.
[01:30:08]  And if you take that book to be any indication...
[01:30:11]  The people didn't just kill police officers or the ATF.
[01:30:15]  They also went after politicians.
[01:30:17]  So if this rhetoric is so wrapped up in that mythology and that idea, it's hard to hear this as not like...
[01:30:24]  I mean, the people listening have read that book, too.
[01:30:26]  The gun weirdo listeners.
[01:30:28]  They know what this is triggering in their brains.
[01:30:31]  They know the code that Alex is expressing.
[01:30:34]  And that means, hey, these gun politicians, anyone who votes for gun control measures.
[01:30:39]  They're part of that 1.6 million.
[01:30:41]  Yep.
[01:30:42]  So it's a veiled threat.
[01:30:43]  It's not even a veiled threat.
[01:30:46]  It's a very...
[01:30:47]  I mean, it's overt, but it's still veiled enough to...
[01:30:50]  Much like that rancher was only a cause for concern.
[01:30:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:30:56]  His death threat.
[01:30:57]  This is just a cause for concern, legally.
[01:30:59]  It's not a direct threat, but anyone who knows what he's talking about, it's very clear to hear that that is a threat.
[01:31:06]  Yeah.
[01:31:07]  I don't know.
[01:31:08]  His headspace is really fucked up.
[01:31:09]  It's weird that you can...
[01:31:11]  It's nice, I think, in the long run, and in the larger sense, that you can get on the radio.
[01:31:19]  And threaten to kill 1.6 million police officers if they do a thing you don't want them to do.
[01:31:24]  Conditionally threaten.
[01:31:25]  See, there we go.
[01:31:26]  It is ultimately, I think, a good thing.
[01:31:29]  But also, it's weird that we can do that, right?
[01:31:32]  That doesn't seem okay.
[01:31:33]  It's a testament to free speech being protected.
[01:31:36]  Yeah, that's weird.
[01:31:38]  It seems like that's probably one of those things where you're like, I mean, maybe don't threaten to kill all the cops.
[01:31:43]  It's weird.
[01:31:44]  It's weird.
[01:31:45]  So, I don't know, man.
[01:31:46]  I find this very interesting because you do see, over this span of time, an evolution of Alex's position on Dorner.
[01:31:54]  But it's not really a full evolution.
[01:31:56]  It's like a quarter turn that he's making.
[01:32:00]  And I'm very interested to see how it plays out because I know that the fact that he died, the fact that Dorner killed himself in that cabin, didn't stop people from...
[01:32:11]  I know that it's a story for a bit after this.
[01:32:14]  And I'll be interested to see how Alex tries to take ownership of the post-mortem of it.
[01:32:19]  The story as the threat is gone, as the fear, the terror, the people we're living in in California, once that is removed from the equation, how does he move forward with the narrative?
[01:32:33]  I think it's going to be worse.
[01:32:35]  Well, what I always find fascinating is that...
[01:32:39]  His position has somewhat evolved, but with no regard for the story at all.
[01:32:47]  The story has nothing to do with his position.
[01:32:50]  No amount of information, no amount of facts.
[01:32:53]  All he needed to hear to flip that switch was shack and fire.
[01:32:58]  Like, that was basically it.
[01:33:00]  Yeah, he needed an archetype that he could resonate with his people.
[01:33:06]  Right.
[01:33:06]  Because before that, this didn't really resonate.
[01:33:08]  All that much with his folk.
[01:33:11]  Except for, I mean, the idea of people are supporting him.
[01:33:14]  Yeah.
[01:33:15]  That sort of triggers his audience in terms of all these people that we're against, they're fine with a cop killer.
[01:33:24]  Right.
[01:33:24]  And he's black, so...
[01:33:26]  Yeah, sure.
[01:33:27]  So it's more likely to be a real shooting than a false flag.
[01:33:31]  Mm-hmm.
[01:33:32]  So I don't know.
[01:33:33]  It's interesting.
[01:33:33]  I'm excited to dig more into 2013 and keep this moving along, and we will see what happens.
[01:33:40]  But that will have to wait for another day.
[01:33:42]  Ah, alas.
[01:33:43]  Because we are done.
[01:33:44]  And we'll be back on Wednesday, though.
[01:33:46]  Indeed we will.
[01:33:47]  And...
[01:33:47]  We have a website.
[01:33:48]  We do have a website.
[01:33:49]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:33:50]  Yep.
[01:33:51]  We're on Twitter.
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[01:34:09]  Yeah.
[01:34:09]  Oh, yeah.
[01:34:10]  Totally.
[01:34:11]  So Steve Schenck is a manipulative food salesman.
[01:34:15]  But I'm going to guess that he's never...
[01:34:17]  Ooh, he might have killed some people.
[01:34:18]  Oh, yeah?
[01:34:19]  Is he from North Dakota?
[01:34:20]  No, he probably hasn't killed anybody.
[01:34:22]  I read there's that pissed-off consumer website where people can post complaints about stuff.
[01:34:27]  Right, right.
[01:34:27]  And a lot of people have complaints about eFoodsDirect.
[01:34:31]  A lot of people have buckets of rancid granola that they got.
[01:34:38]  No chance.
[01:34:38]  Allegedly, you know, it's anonymous and stuff, so I don't know, but it seems like a pretty consistent thread.
[01:34:43]  100% believe it.
[01:34:45]  I don't know if anyone's died from eating those, so I can't prove it.
[01:34:48]  I'll still say Steve Shank hasn't killed anybody.
[01:34:50]  One guy.
[01:34:50]  Who technically has probably done that is Alex Jones.
[01:34:55]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:34:56]  Thanks for holding.
[01:34:59]  Hello, Alex.
[01:35:00]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:35:01]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:35:01]  I love your work.