Knowledge Fight - #293: May 2-3, 2019
Aired: 2019-05-06
Duration: 02:25:08


=== Public Displays of Affection? (02:27) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:09]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:09]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:00:14]  Indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:16]  Yeah.
[00:00:16]  Dan?
[00:00:16]  Jordan.
[00:00:17]  How do you feel about public displays of affection?
[00:00:21]  Otherwise known as PDA.
[00:00:23]  I think that there's a scale and there's a context that should go into consideration.
[00:00:28]  I think that if you're, like, making out hard into second base and groping in public, I think that's kind of gross.
[00:00:35]  Right.
[00:00:36]  Of course.
[00:00:36]  Also, if you're drunk, I kind of give you a little bit of a pass.
[00:00:40]  You get a pass?
[00:00:41]  Not a full pass.
[00:00:42]  Okay.
[00:00:42]  I think you can fudge a little bit of the boundaries in terms of what a...
[00:00:46]  Like, if drunk people are making out and getting handsy with each other in public...
[00:00:50]  Yeah?
[00:00:51]  I judge that less harshly than sober people.
[00:00:54]  I'll say that.
[00:00:55]  Because of certain inhibitions being lessened.
[00:00:59]  Yeah, I can give you a little bit of a, I get what you're doing, I'm not too mad at you, whatever.
[00:01:03]  You get overcome by the spirit.
[00:01:05]  Forget the people around you.
[00:01:07]  Right, right, right.
[00:01:08]  Generally, I think that, you know, if you're going to be kissing in public, no big deal.
[00:01:13]  It is what it is.
[00:01:14]  I don't know.
[00:01:14]  I would say, here's what I'd say.
[00:01:17]  Okay.
[00:01:17]  I would say it's totally fine if you're going to have some light public displays of affection.
[00:01:22]  And I think people judging too harshly about that, I don't know why they have a problem.
[00:01:26]  Right.
[00:01:26]  Like the people who are mad about hand-holding.
[00:01:28]  Right.
[00:01:28]  That kind of shit.
[00:01:29]  Yeah.
[00:01:29]  But I do think there's a point at which it becomes like, this is your personal world.
[00:01:34]  Right.
[00:01:34]  Like people...
[00:01:36]  Who use their intimate partner's pet names in public.
[00:01:40]  That sort of thing.
[00:01:41]  That's fine.
[00:01:42]  No, it's not.
[00:01:43]  It's not fine.
[00:01:43]  I don't think so.
[00:01:44]  You don't think that's fine?
[00:01:45]  No, I think it's really weird.
[00:01:47]  Okay.
[00:01:47]  Because it's letting something that's private be public.
[00:01:54]  It's not that that private thing can't be public.
[00:01:56]  Okay.
[00:01:57]  It's that you're forcing everyone in public to engage with you in that private space.
[00:02:02]  I see what you're saying.
[00:02:03]  I think that there's something a little bit inappropriate about that.
[00:02:06]  I see what you're saying.
[00:02:07]  But it's a matter of scale, and if you're drunk, it's totally fine.

=== Plant Watch 2019 (15:48) ===

[00:02:14]  Yep, that'll do.
[00:02:15]  There we have it.
[00:02:17]  The official Knowledge Fight editorial position.
[00:02:20]  This is a podcast where I have some opinions about PVA, and I know a lot about Alex.
[00:02:25]  I only know what you tell me about both, apparently.
[00:02:27]  People have been asking about Plant Update, so I figure I should go ahead and let everyone know.
[00:02:32]  Plant Watch 2019.
[00:02:33]  I have sent out for some super hot pepper seeds, and so I'll be getting some Trinidad Scorpion and Chocolate Bootlaw seeds.
[00:02:41]  All right.
[00:02:42]  So that will be coming.
[00:02:43]  Those both sound scary.
[00:02:45]  In Dan's botanical garden.
[00:02:46]  I don't understand them, but...
[00:02:47]  Also, in terms of everything that's growing right now, we got all the peppers that I have started are going real strong.
[00:02:54]  Yeah.
[00:02:54]  The peas are going real strong.
[00:02:56]  They're going gangbusters.
[00:02:57]  I've gotten a warning from some people on Facebook that tomatoes are a risky mistress.
[00:03:04]  Okay.
[00:03:04]  That they...
[00:03:05]  Too tall.
[00:03:06]  They grow real big.
[00:03:07]  Too tall.
[00:03:07]  And they become overwhelming.
[00:03:08]  Yeah.
[00:03:09]  And I'm excited to announce that they are not doing so great.
[00:03:13]  So we may never need to cross that bridge where they are a problem.
[00:03:17]  And all the flowers I planted are doing pretty shit.
[00:03:21]  Caesar would never have crossed the Rubicon if his horse had been cut off at the legs.
[00:03:25]  Perhaps not.
[00:03:26]  So, that is what's going on with my plants.
[00:03:29]  I'll let you know as more developments come.
[00:03:32]  I like it.
[00:03:32]  Jordan, today we are going over a hotly anticipated episode of this podcast, and that is...
[00:03:38]  January 12th, 2013.
[00:03:40]  Everybody, let's do it.
[00:03:41]  We're doing that one again.
[00:03:43]  I've already did that.
[00:03:43]  Yep.
[00:03:44]  No, we are doing May 2nd and 3rd of 2019, last week, the day and the day after Alex Jones got kicked off Instagram, along with Paul Joseph Watson.
[00:03:57]  Yeah, generally speaking, I don't like to have any advanced knowledge of Alex Jones related news, but when the fucking president tweets that Alex Jones should be back on Facebook, I'm out.
[00:04:10]  To be fair, I think most of the president's tweets are about Paul Jo's forte.
[00:04:16]  I don't know if Alex is...
[00:04:18]  Kicking the balls.
[00:04:19]  I think Alex will take it.
[00:04:20]  Yeah.
[00:04:21]  It's good enough.
[00:04:21]  He's taking a lot of kicks in the balls.
[00:04:22]  Close enough for jazz, as they say.
[00:04:25]  And we're going to get to those two days.
[00:04:27]  There's a lot of really fucked up stuff.
[00:04:28]  And I actually honestly think that there's two pieces of this story that people are entirely missing.
[00:04:33]  And they could get very easily if they'd listened to Alex's show.
[00:04:37]  But I totally understand why they don't.
[00:04:39]  So that's why we're here.
[00:04:41]  It's so weird to read that stuff now, like, compared to before we started this show, reading all of these articles now about Alex Jones, and I'm just going, like, you guys have no fucking clue.
[00:04:53]  Right.
[00:04:54]  You have no idea.
[00:04:54]  A little added context could make this make a whole lot more sense, like I hope we'll be able to do with this story.
[00:05:01]  And we'll get to that after we say thank you.
[00:05:04]  Some people who have joined up in our sporting show, and we really appreciate it.
[00:05:07]  So first, Emily, thank you so much.
[00:05:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:11]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:12]  Thank you, Emily.
[00:05:13]  Thank you, Emily.
[00:05:14]  Next, Jesse, you are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:16]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:18]  Thank you, Jesse.
[00:05:18]  Thanks, Jesse.
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[00:05:20]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:22]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:23]  Thank you, Will.
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[00:05:25]  Willow.
[00:05:26]  Next, Bucket of Poop, thank you so much.
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[00:05:29]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:31]  Thank you so much, Bucket of Poop.
[00:05:32]  Thanks, Bucket of Poop.
[00:05:33]  But it is, I feel, poor form because if you would have been a globalist, you would have gotten the Bucket of Poop drop.
[00:05:38]  That's true.
[00:05:39]  That's poor form.
[00:05:40]  And you can only donate for so long.
[00:05:42]  Sooner or later, a sodomite is going to send you to somebody.
[00:05:44]  That sounds right.
[00:05:47]  Jen, also, thank you so much.
[00:05:49]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:50]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:51]  Thank you, Jen.
[00:05:52]  Thank you, Jen.
[00:05:53]  And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
[00:05:56]  We appreciate it very much.
[00:05:57]  So, Benjamin, thank you so much.
[00:05:59]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:06:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:02]  Four stars.
[00:06:03]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:06:05]  Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:06:08]  Daddy Shark.
[00:06:08]  Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.
[00:06:10]  Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:06:14]  He's a loser little, little titty baby.
[00:06:17]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:06:19]  I renounce Jesus Christ.
[00:06:21]  Thank you so much, Benjamin.
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[00:06:33]  So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going over May 2nd and 3rd.
[00:06:36]  There's some fucked up stuff in here, there's some stupid stuff in here, and there's some weird trends that I'd like to try and disentangle.
[00:06:43]  Yeah.
[00:06:43]  But before we actually get into that, instead of an out-of-context drop for you...
[00:06:48]  All right, we got a new wrinkle.
[00:06:49]  What I'd like to do is play you an entire commercial that Alex...
[00:06:52]  Oh, no.
[00:06:53]  There's a new commercial.
[00:06:54]  Oh, no.
[00:06:55]  Put your mic down for this because you gotta enjoy the nuance.
[00:06:59]  The nuance?
[00:06:59]  Yes.
[00:07:00]  Okay.
[00:07:00]  This is one of the craziest things I've ever heard on Alex's show.
[00:07:04]  I want to say Brain Force is great.
[00:07:06]  I want to say Turbo Force is amazing.
[00:07:07]  It is.
[00:07:08]  But if you took it with fish oil, it's like the fish oil is it.
[00:07:13]  The fish oil's better than it.
[00:07:14]  And that's an example of what I'm talking about.
[00:07:16]  Fish oil is liquid energy.
[00:07:18]  Brain, body, heart.
[00:07:20]  The cleanest.
[00:07:21]  The best out there.
[00:07:21]  You've got the children's.
[00:07:23]  You've got the adults.
[00:07:24]  You've got the krill oil.
[00:07:25]  You get the full effect.
[00:07:26]  The fish oil and the children's are really strong.
[00:07:28]  They don't give you the burpees, but krill oil is the best.
[00:07:31]  And it'll give you the damn burps.
[00:07:32]  And I'm sorry.
[00:07:33]  You want something like this, you don't get stuff for free.
[00:07:35]  The krill is hallucinogenic.
[00:07:37]  It's so good.
[00:07:38]  I'm not making a medical statement here, but let me tell you something.
[00:07:40]  I eat five caplets of krill oil before I go to bed.
[00:07:43]  I'm seeing Santa Claus that night.
[00:07:45]  So your brain is made basically out of what fish oil is.
[00:07:51]  So we don't make a big profit off of it, but you notice I just obsess because whatever the best is we've got, I just can't lie to you.
[00:08:00]  I just can't do it.
[00:08:01]  That is an insane commercial.
[00:08:03]  And that is the end of the commercial.
[00:08:04]  It's him screaming about how he can't lie to you.
[00:08:07]  That was...
[00:08:07]  An insane commercial.
[00:08:09]  I don't know why he's...
[00:08:09]  If he takes five tablets of krill oil, he's...
[00:08:12]  He's gonna hallucinate.
[00:08:13]  He's gonna see Santa Claus when he goes to bed.
[00:08:15]  That's insane.
[00:08:16]  Why are you selling me on that?
[00:08:18]  Unless you want me to take five tablets and get fucked up!
[00:08:21]  You freak out.
[00:08:21]  You freak out.
[00:08:22]  Oh, God.
[00:08:23]  Fish oil makes me fucking trip balls.
[00:08:27]  I don't know why he's trying to perv me out at the beginning.
[00:08:30]  Oh, fish oil is the best.
[00:08:34]  Yeah, and then that hallucinogenic aspect, it gives you the burpees.
[00:08:37]  I don't fucking know what's going on.
[00:08:39]  I don't know if this is a selling point.
[00:08:41]  One will definitely give you the burps.
[00:08:45]  Towards the end there, he says that fish oil is basically what your brain is made of.
[00:08:51]  Yes, that is true.
[00:08:51]  To which I had to, when I heard that, I immediately had to get in touch with my doctor friend, Dr. Gumbs, and check in with him.
[00:08:58]  And he almost got mad at me on the phone.
[00:09:03]  Because I started doing a bit where I pretended that I believed that fish oil was what your brain is made of.
[00:09:09]  And he's a practicing doctor.
[00:09:11]  Yeah.
[00:09:11]  He doesn't have time for my bullshit.
[00:09:12]  Right.
[00:09:13]  That's true.
[00:09:14]  Was it during operating hours?
[00:09:15]  It might have been.
[00:09:16]  Yeah.
[00:09:16]  And it turns out that that is not accurate.
[00:09:18]  Your brain is not made up of basically fish oil.
[00:09:21]  He's wrist deep in somebody saving their life and he has to answer this test.
[00:09:24]  Honestly, more important that he help fact check this podcast.
[00:09:28]  I think that's true.
[00:09:28]  Quite frankly.
[00:09:29]  Really?
[00:09:30]  Prioritize.
[00:09:31]  I mean, for pasta.
[00:09:32]  That person's going to die eventually, but this lasts forever, Dan.
[00:09:36]  Laughs about Alex's shameful krill oil sales pitches.
[00:09:41]  I think my favorite part, though, somehow, is the over-editing, where they're cutting it so quick, and you're like, is he coming at me from, like, eight different angles?
[00:09:49]  That clip is only acceptable if it's a one-take situation, where it's like, huh, okay, I get that you're getting weird, but you only had a minute to shoot the commercial.
[00:09:59]  The fact that there's editing means there must be like 15 minutes of him rambling about fish oil.
[00:10:04]  I want the raw.
[00:10:06]  That was the gold footage of that.
[00:10:09]  Forget raw krill oil.
[00:10:11]  I want the raw, unedited, unfiltered Alex's tape on that.
[00:10:17]  So that's what we're starting out with.
[00:10:18]  I want to get that out of the way.
[00:10:20]  Krill oil, it'll make you cum.
[00:10:21]  No, we can't use that one, Alex.
[00:10:23]  Alex, no.
[00:10:24]  Tim Fruget is over there shaking his head in the corner.
[00:10:28]  Barnes is giving them a thumbs up.
[00:10:31]  Barnes doesn't give a shit.
[00:10:33]  Somehow Phil Spector is there.
[00:10:35]  Like, layer it.
[00:10:36]  Put more layers on there.
[00:10:37]  Get creepier.
[00:10:38]  Get creepier about the krill.
[00:10:41]  So here we go.
[00:10:42]  We're going to jump in here on May 2nd.
[00:10:44]  This is our first clip.
[00:10:45]  Alex is complaining about the chai comms.
[00:10:49]  Naturally.
[00:10:49]  You understand of the big six production companies, the CHICOM's own controlling interest, and are funding total weaponization.
[00:10:58]  Not true.
[00:10:59]  Teaching people how to self-harm, teaching little girls how to commit suicide, breaking up the family.
[00:11:04]  All this stuff's illegal in China.
[00:11:06]  They don't let their own production company material err there.
[00:11:09]  They say it demoralizes and is designed to bring down the country.
[00:11:12]  But they hit us with the most scientifically designed demoralization.
[00:11:19]  And even though Hillary lost, they're still following through with their operation.
[00:11:23]  It's come out that all the big universities are basically CHICOM-controlled now.
[00:11:26]  The public universities, that's mainstream news now, Washington Post.
[00:11:30]  It's coming out everywhere.
[00:11:31]  And when it all comes out, it's over for all you collaborators.
[00:11:35]  So this is all nonsense, and these are just some of his junior varsity narratives that he's kind of let slip in favor of just yelling generally about the CHICOMs?
[00:11:43]  Yeah, I remember these narratives going on.
[00:11:46]  These are long-existing narratives.
[00:11:49]  That we just haven't heard in a while and he's bringing back up.
[00:11:51]  The Chinese own all the movie theaters, all the movie houses, they own all the schools.
[00:11:56]  We've discussed what he's lying about there.
[00:11:58]  But the reason that I think it's important, and I leave this in, is because Alex...
[00:12:04]  Doesn't know he's kicked off social media until about halfway through this show.
[00:12:08]  Really?
[00:12:09]  Yes.
[00:12:09]  That's fun.
[00:12:10]  So we get a glimpse of where his head is at before it happens, and then immediately after it happens.
[00:12:16]  And I think that because you see the entire path that he takes, you get clues as to what's going on.
[00:12:25]  And there's a couple of damning pieces of information.
[00:12:29]  And it's also fun just to have this quiet before the storm.
[00:12:32]  Yeah, you like that?
[00:12:33]  I do.
[00:12:33]  I really do.
[00:12:34]  I do, too.
[00:12:35]  When you told me that he didn't know, I heard that whole thing in a different context.
[00:12:39]  Oh, yeah.
[00:12:39]  He comes into the office and he just thinks he's going to have a good time yelling about the Chinese.
[00:12:43]  Yeah, you don't even know you're about to step into that guillotine.
[00:12:46]  It's like that episode we had from like two years ago, that one where he lost a million dollars overnight.
[00:12:51]  Yeah.
[00:12:51]  He's all celebrating and happy one day and the next day.
[00:12:54]  Fuck.
[00:12:56]  So in this next clip, Alex talks about how Hillary had gone on Rachel Maddow's show.
[00:13:04]  Of course.
[00:13:04]  And he's trying to make the argument that Hillary is openly asking for the Chinese to come interfere in the election of 2020.
[00:13:11]  As opposed to ironically asking the Chinese.
[00:13:14]  Well, here's what Alex says.
[00:13:16]  And, of course, one of the big issues is Hillary Clinton, ladies and gentlemen, going on Rachel...
[00:13:26]  A Maddow show with its, again, dismal, plunging ratings.
[00:13:29]  Also, he actually said Maddow that time, but frequently on this episode he calls her Mad Cow.
[00:13:34]  And I'm like, you hang out with someone named Man Cow.
[00:13:38]  What's the insult?
[00:13:39]  It's a quick turn.
[00:13:41]  I mean, to her, being compared to Man Cow is probably a very huge insult.
[00:13:46]  If I were Rachel Maddow and someone called me Man Cow, I'd be like, fuck you.
[00:13:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:51]  After their whole Russia hoax fell flat.
[00:13:54]  And saying that we need the Chinese, we need the Chinese communist to come to the aid in 2020 and overthrow the election and remove Trump.
[00:14:06]  So that is his position on it, and here's where he gets to playing the clip of it.
[00:14:12]  Here is a clip of the pumpkin-headed witch last night.
[00:14:16]  I thought she was casting for the remake of, of course, her favorite movie, The Exorcist.
[00:14:20]  Seriously, she looks like a demon-possessed...
[00:14:23]  Jack-o'-lantern, because she is.
[00:14:24]  Here it is.
[00:14:25]  Imagine, Rachel, that you had one of the Democratic nominees for 2020 on your show.
[00:14:32]  And that person said, you know, the only other adversary of ours who's anywhere near as good as the Russians is China.
[00:14:41]  So why should Russia have all the fun?
[00:14:45]  And since Russia is clearly backing Republicans...
[00:14:49]  Why don't we ask China to back us?
[00:14:51]  I hereby tonight.
[00:14:52]  Ask China.
[00:14:53]  That's right.
[00:14:54]  And not only that, China, if you're listening, why don't you get Trump's tax returns?
[00:14:59]  I'm sure our media would richly reward you.
[00:15:02]  Now, according to the Mueller report, that is not conspiracy because it's done right out in the open.
[00:15:10]  So if after this hypothetical Democratic candidate says this on your show, within hours...
[00:15:16]  All of a sudden, the IRS offices are bombarded with incredibly sophisticated...
[00:15:22]  I want to come back with this demon's last political gasp.
[00:15:26]  Stay with us.
[00:15:26]  I'm Alex Jones with NewsWars.com.
[00:15:30]  So that's how he plays it.
[00:15:32]  Yeah.
[00:15:33]  Here is what she actually said.
[00:15:36]  We could listen to this entire two-minute clip, but I honestly thought that he had edited...
[00:15:45]  I'm just going to jump towards the end to the point that Alex intentionally never plays.
[00:15:56]  Looking for Trump's tax returns and then extracts them and then passes them to whatever the new WikiLeaks happens to be and they start being unraveled and disclosed.
[00:16:08]  Nothing wrong with that.
[00:16:10]  I mean, if you're going to let Russia get away with what they did and are still doing, according to Christopher Wray, the current FBI director who said that last week, they're in our election systems.
[00:16:22]  We're worried about 2020, he said.
[00:16:25]  So, hey, let's have a great power contest and let's get the Chinese in on the side of somebody else.
[00:16:32]  Just saying that shows how absurd the situation we find ourselves in.
[00:16:37]  So, if you leave that last part off, you can make it sound like she's saying, hey, let's get the Chinese in the mix.
[00:16:44]  Really?
[00:16:44]  If you're a propagandist.
[00:16:46]  Yeah, but I thought it was really obvious.
[00:16:48]  It is.
[00:16:49]  Like, even in the clip that he played, it's very clear that she's saying...
[00:16:53]  Here's what Trump did, and I'm just putting in a different context.
[00:16:57]  Right, but if you're someone like Alex, you can make the argument that what she's actually doing is she's saying, like, you know...
[00:17:03]  She's putting a nice little bow tie on what she actually wants.
[00:17:06]  Something like that.
[00:17:07]  He very intentionally never plays that last part, which is just saying this shows the absurdity of the situation that is laid out in the Mueller report.
[00:17:16]  She's not in any way saying, hey, Chinese, come, Chinese government, come help us out.
[00:17:21]  Right.
[00:17:22]  So the reason this is important to me and the reason this is worth mentioning is that Alex never stops talking about how people use edited clips of him in order to misinterpret his words.
[00:17:33]  Right.
[00:17:33]  And here we find him doing exactly the same thing to Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow's show.
[00:17:39]  In all honesty, I'm surprised by his restraint.
[00:17:42]  He could have just played that.
[00:17:43]  Short little bit where she was like, so I'm asking Chyna to do that.

=== Hollywood's Veneer of Truth (05:07) ===

[00:17:48]  That two little second clip right there.
[00:17:50]  I think he thinks that the rest of it makes it worse.
[00:17:53]  Except for the end.
[00:17:54]  And I think that there's something to that.
[00:17:57]  I understand that you would hear that and say it's pretty clear what she's saying.
[00:18:02]  But a normal InfoWars listener with Alex's guidance through what she's really saying, what the context is, I think everything except for the end could be used.
[00:18:13]  Especially the fact that Maddow says...
[00:18:16]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:18:16]  Maddow actually doing it straight up was...
[00:18:19]  Yeah.
[00:18:19]  That's unhelpful.
[00:18:20]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:21]  That's slim pickings right there.
[00:18:23]  So earlier we heard Alex complaining that the Chinese government, the Chinese communist government, the Chi-Coms, they own and control all the movies and movie studios in the United States.
[00:18:35]  Big six.
[00:18:36]  And one of the things that you need to understand about that is, first of all, it appears to not be true.
[00:18:43]  Because reality says that it's not true.
[00:18:45]  But what you don't know is that in the past, Alex has sent spies to film festivals.
[00:18:51]  And he has learned some things about that.
[00:18:55]  He's going to Fantastic Fest?
[00:18:56]  Uh-huh.
[00:18:57]  And here's what he's learned.
[00:18:58]  This is a microcosm.
[00:19:00]  I sent people, and I'm just going to leave it at this, two major film festivals.
[00:19:06]  Because I already knew this was going on, but they were in the meetings with these individuals this year at Sundance, you name it, where they said, We get money to demoralize.
[00:19:15]  We get money to make the most depressing, horrible, anti-American stuff we can, and that is our job.
[00:19:21]  And they're openly all competing with each other about who can be the most horrible and be the most evil, and they know their mission.
[00:19:28]  Okay.
[00:19:29]  All right.
[00:19:29]  So, yeah, you went to Sundance.
[00:19:32]  South By, I'm sure.
[00:19:33]  Probably went to TIFF.
[00:19:33]  He was in Austin, so he obviously went to South By.
[00:19:35]  Of course.
[00:19:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:37]  In the end, some people, in an unguarded moment, some filmmakers were like, you know, Alex Jones, I've got to tell you the fucking truth.
[00:19:43]  I get paid to make depressing shit.
[00:19:45]  I imagine maybe drunkenly someone, like a filmmaker, might...
[00:19:49]  Lament how emotionally wrought his work is.
[00:19:53]  Right, and it's at an independent film fest, so a lot of those tend to have that kind of Oscar-baity theme to them, and everybody knows that the Oscars love somebody to torture themselves.
[00:20:04]  Yeah, so Alex sent those spies out, so he's got that information, which contradicts reality, but that's fine.
[00:20:11]  He has further proof, and that is from his own personal experience.
[00:20:15]  He didn't need spies for this stuff.
[00:20:17]  Then I remember being out in Hollywood in some movies and TV shows and things back when I even cared to be in them, like 15, 16, 17 years ago, and they'd say, you know who's buying up all the movie studios?
[00:20:27]  It's...
[00:20:28]  The Chinese government, they tell us what we can say and what we can't do.
[00:20:31]  Well, now that's all mainstream news the last five years.
[00:20:34]  It's not.
[00:20:35]  The Chinese market is very important to motion pictures, mostly.
[00:20:40]  And not even just the Chinese market, but the international market saves blockbusters a lot of the time.
[00:20:45]  It's Michael Bay's entire reason for existence.
[00:20:48]  And so there is some pandering.
[00:20:51]  Yeah.
[00:20:52]  But that's not because the Chinese government's trying to demoralize America.
[00:20:55]  Yeah.
[00:20:55]  It's a capitalist force of emerging opening markets overseas for our films.
[00:21:01]  But whatever the case, Alex has never gone to Hollywood to be in movies.
[00:21:05]  He's been in two movies.
[00:21:07]  They were both directed by Richard Linklater.
[00:21:09]  In Hollywood.
[00:21:12]  In Hollywood.
[00:21:13]  They both filmed in Austin.
[00:21:14]  In Hollywood.
[00:21:16]  Scanner Darkly filmed in Austin.
[00:21:19]  And waking life is just Alex Jones driving around Austin in his car yelling at a bullhorn.
[00:21:25]  He did not go to Hollywood.
[00:21:27]  He saw the premiere.
[00:21:28]  It premiered in Hollywood.
[00:21:29]  He was in the film.
[00:21:32]  Richard Linklater is a huge Austin dude.
[00:21:37]  It's so stupid.
[00:21:38]  I mean, at least you could conceivably see a conversation where he could...
[00:21:43]  With Linklater, where he could get that?
[00:21:45]  You know, Linklater literally being like, hey, they're asking me to make films for the Chinese market.
[00:21:50]  More likely Charlie Sheen when he was kind of yelled at it or something.
[00:21:53]  That sounds right.
[00:21:54]  Alex Jones being in a couple of movies is the, like, Richard C. Johnson.
[00:22:00]  I worked in intelligence 30 years ago.
[00:22:03]  It has the veneer of I was in Hollywood.
[00:22:06]  People are like, I guess you were in movies.
[00:22:08]  You just don't think about it.
[00:22:10]  No, you weren't.
[00:22:13]  You just have the veneer of credibility based on the thinnest amount of experience in something, and it's sad.
[00:22:19]  Yeah, I think a lot about what Lee Major's thoughts on films are.
[00:22:23]  Sure.
[00:22:24]  Yeah.
[00:22:24]  So, Jordan, in this episode here on the May 2nd, like I said, later in the episode, Alex gets the news that he's been kicked off Instagram, kicked off Facebook, and we'll discuss the ban when it comes.
[00:22:36]  But in this next clip...
[00:22:38]  Before any of this has become public, before any of the news broke, Alex, I believe, gives us a hint as to what happened behind the scenes.

=== Shipping Millions In Disease (15:21) ===

[00:22:48]  And I think that this is important.
[00:22:50]  They're shipping in millions of people, hundreds of thousands of which have serious diseases.
[00:22:54]  And then if you link to medical reports put out by the CDC and even the Border Patrol, they put up notes saying it's fake news and block it on Facebook.
[00:23:04]  That happened to us yesterday.
[00:23:05]  I'll be showing you that.
[00:23:06]  I was just linking to ABC News and medical reports, saying that it's not unvaccinated, that's a hoax, it's the illegals.
[00:23:15]  So you have to understand, folks, they are demoralizing.
[00:23:18]  They are trying to depress you and destroy you.
[00:23:21]  So that's not true.
[00:23:23]  What he's talking about isn't true.
[00:23:25]  But he says that he got a warning of some sort that he was going to have these things, like this story was going to be taken down, or this post was going to be taken down because of the erroneous nature of the...
[00:23:39]  Because of all the lies.
[00:23:40]  Right.
[00:23:40]  So when I heard that, I was like, oh, that's interesting.
[00:23:43]  Knowing what comes later.
[00:23:45]  Yeah.
[00:23:45]  You know, it was like, oh, that's...
[00:23:47]  That's interesting.
[00:23:48]  But I didn't think it really proved anything, so I just left it aside for a second.
[00:23:53]  And I'm glad I did, because there's better stuff to come.
[00:23:57]  For now, Alex has got to jump to the phones, because he doesn't have much.
[00:24:00]  He shot his wad early, yelling about the Chinese.
[00:24:03]  Yeah, the Chinese.
[00:24:04]  Got to go to the phones.
[00:24:04]  And so he goes to the phones, and man, this caller seems like a creep.
[00:24:09]  Everywhere I go, I start up a conversation about you and his show and the world order.
[00:24:14]  My wife thinks I'm not supposed to be the way I am.
[00:24:15]  You are.
[00:24:16]  And most people get it.
[00:24:17]  Why are you talking to high schoolers?
[00:24:23]  That's no good.
[00:24:24]  No.
[00:24:24]  No, that's no good.
[00:24:25]  Because I don't think he's a teacher.
[00:24:27]  He said you ran into a high schooler.
[00:24:28]  Definitely doesn't sound like a teacher.
[00:24:30]  Ran into a high schooler at the local bar.
[00:24:34]  Stay away from those kids.
[00:24:35]  Stay away from those high schoolers.
[00:24:37]  Stop trying to open their mind and red pill them.
[00:24:41]  That's no good.
[00:24:42]  No, that is not good.
[00:24:43]  So I was hanging around at George Washington Middle School and I finally got one of those 8th graders to realize that the globalists are after them.
[00:24:51]  They're coming for you!
[00:24:52]  Then the police come, tell them to leave.
[00:24:54]  The guy runs away.
[00:24:55]  My wife thinks I'm crazy.
[00:24:58]  Now we're back to real sensible people behavior.
[00:25:02]  So in this next clip, Alex gets into having a conversation with one of his callers about, like, well, you know, the enemies that they have.
[00:25:10]  You know, what are you going to do about these enemies?
[00:25:13]  Let me ask you this, then.
[00:25:14]  Okay, let's say, course of action, you've researched this.
[00:25:16]  What does the president need to do?
[00:25:18]  I mean, a very quick thing to do is, because they did start to fight, and they are criminals, and they are globalists, and we're the American team, is that Trump would decapitate, what, about a thousand of them in one day?
[00:25:30]  I don't know if we want to decapitate, but we can certainly...
[00:25:33]  You say you want to not have any rules, then it all turns into a big circus.
[00:25:38]  The only thing they understand is power.
[00:25:40]  I'm not saying do this.
[00:25:42]  I'm not a trigger guy.
[00:25:44]  The point is we're going down a road with them that if they can decapitate us, they do it.
[00:25:48]  So I'm just simply saying the quickest, easiest thing to do is just a command and control system has wiped out their command and control.
[00:25:53]  They're not Americans.
[00:25:54]  They're multinational bidders, middlemen selling us out.
[00:25:58]  You understand that, right?
[00:25:59]  These aren't Americans.
[00:26:00]  These are enemy forces in this country.
[00:26:02]  That's not good.
[00:26:02]  I would like to see President Trump use the tools and the powers that they wanted to give to Hillary Clinton.
[00:26:07]  If she were president, she would be a dictator.
[00:26:10]  I think he has to say, these are the powers you wanted to give to her.
[00:26:14]  I'm going to use them.
[00:26:15]  You're going to hate it because I use them.
[00:26:19]  What?
[00:26:21]  Absolutely.
[00:26:21]  And we're only doing hypotheticals here.
[00:26:22]  I don't want to go down this road.
[00:26:24]  I think Trump's been judicious about so far.
[00:26:26]  Yeah, right.
[00:26:27]  Are these guys that stupid?
[00:26:29]  They have to be.
[00:26:30]  That can't be that stupid.
[00:26:32]  Nobody could be that stupid.
[00:26:33]  I find it very hard to believe anyone's that stupid.
[00:26:36]  That's so stupid.
[00:26:37]  I think that some people could be, but that caller seems to be processing thoughts decently well.
[00:26:42]  He's not like one of his callers that I feel bad about.
[00:26:46]  That's a caller who I'm kind of scared of.
[00:26:48]  I thought Alex was going to call him a nerd after that first response.
[00:26:51]  I thought Alex was just going to be like, Nerd!
[00:26:53]  Why don't you kill people?
[00:26:54]  Well, I...
[00:26:56]  I can't imagine people of any good faith or mental cognition thinking that you give someone dictator powers and then you get to take them away.
[00:27:08]  Yeah.
[00:27:08]  Or they give them up.
[00:27:10]  Isn't that how that always works?
[00:27:11]  History has shown that that is not generally the path it goes.
[00:27:15]  Once somebody has the kind of powers that dictators have, they kind of like them.
[00:27:20]  Yeah, they tend to.
[00:27:21]  And once you give them those powers, you can't take them away.
[00:27:25]  It's kind of in the definition, right?
[00:27:27]  Well, I mean, you can take them away, but generally it leads to, I don't know...
[00:27:31]  Coup.
[00:27:31]  Yeah.
[00:27:33]  Insurrections.
[00:27:34]  It leads to riots.
[00:27:37]  Like, loyalist forces within the military?
[00:27:40]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:41]  You have...
[00:27:42]  I can't imagine anyone who thinks they know anything expressing an opinion like that.
[00:27:48]  It's really fucking stupid.
[00:27:50]  Obviously, they were going to make Hillary a dictator.
[00:27:52]  And thank God that we got Trump in, who is not a dictator.
[00:27:56]  But...
[00:27:56]  Clearly, they're not stoked about it, so what we should do is install Trump as a dictator and have him do what Hillary was going to do to us, to them, and then we'll take a vote.
[00:28:08]  They'll be so mad about it that they'll get rid of those powers that we've given Trump.
[00:28:12]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:28:14]  Congress will vote to give him complete and utter control, but they will reserve the right to take away that control.
[00:28:19]  That usually works, right?
[00:28:21]  Delusional fucks.
[00:28:22]  That's so stupid.
[00:28:24]  But also, Alex is expressing this pretty violent sort of language.
[00:28:29]  Yeah, he wants to decapitate people.
[00:28:30]  Now, I want you to hold on to that, because he doesn't clarify that until quite a bit later, but he does.
[00:28:36]  Does he?
[00:28:37]  Yeah.
[00:28:38]  I don't buy it.
[00:28:39]  I feel like you have to clarify things a lot shorter for me to feel like they are clarified.
[00:28:43]  You can't come in two minutes later and be like, now I only meant that politically.
[00:28:48]  It's a little bit later, and he doesn't say politically.
[00:28:51]  I'm not suggesting you do that.
[00:28:53]  Let's say for now that what he's saying is very violent, but he wants you to not think that it's really violent.
[00:28:59]  He's like, I'm not one of these guys who's advocating for violence.
[00:29:02]  But then he says this, and it really hurts his case.
[00:29:05]  The problem is they've been caught in an attempted coup.
[00:29:08]  They've been terrorizing everybody.
[00:29:10]  They've got antifa training with MS-13 to start assassinations.
[00:29:13]  That's confirmed now.
[00:29:14]  And I'm just saying, it's like it's having a dog with rabies coming towards your kids at the park.
[00:29:20]  What do you do?
[00:29:23]  You do whatever is necessary to stop the dog.
[00:29:27]  Nerd.
[00:29:28]  We can't fault ourselves for defending ourselves.
[00:29:31]  I know, but what I'm telling you is they're going to blow up federal buildings and blame us.
[00:29:34]  So I'm not for any type of offensive stuff.
[00:29:36]  We need to start indicting these people now, and they will roll.
[00:29:40]  But I wouldn't just indict low-level people.
[00:29:43]  I would go after the high-level ones and just start the indictments.
[00:29:47]  Trump needs to start declassifying.
[00:29:48]  Now, take the gloves off.
[00:29:50]  They're not going to back off.
[00:29:51]  I agree with you.
[00:29:52]  God bless.
[00:29:52]  Anything else?
[00:29:55]  All right.
[00:29:56]  There wasn't so much agreeing with that guy, but it was making a point and then feigning agreement at the end.
[00:30:01]  I mean, when you're saying these sorts of things, I don't advocate violence, but they tried to overthrow our fucking government.
[00:30:07]  They're a rabid dog coming at your kids.
[00:30:10]  What are you going to do?
[00:30:11]  Whatever you got to do.
[00:30:12]  Yeah.
[00:30:13]  What does that mean?
[00:30:14]  What's the coded language there?
[00:30:17]  Support the peaceful transition of power.
[00:30:19]  Sure.
[00:30:20]  So, in this next clip, we get to his explanation, where he's talking about the idea that...
[00:30:25]  I think he realized he said, I wanted to capitate tons of people.
[00:30:29]  And he realized, I can't let that sit there.
[00:30:32]  And I only play this because I want to be super fair to him.
[00:30:35]  You know, like, if I just played that clip, and I never said, well, later he does say this.
[00:30:40]  Yeah.
[00:30:41]  That would be super unfair.
[00:30:42]  I would be allowing our audience to have the perception that Alex literally called for the decapitations of tons of his political enemies.
[00:30:50]  So only in the interest of fairness, and because I don't think this helps that much, here's Alex explaining himself.
[00:30:56]  And again, this is all an open discussion, a war game of this.
[00:30:59]  They're going to pick and choose to find a context here.
[00:31:02]  I'm a nonviolent person.
[00:31:03]  I don't want any offensive action.
[00:31:06]  But this is a cancerous outside group.
[00:31:08]  So I'm saying all options are on the table, and I back the president basically whatever he does.
[00:31:12]  Yeah, he has my trust at this point.
[00:31:14]  So there's two things that are super important there.
[00:31:16]  On May 2nd, Alex is saying, whatever the president does, he's got my trust.
[00:31:21]  I support him.
[00:31:22]  Second, you can't say things like, I'm not an offensive violence guy, but every option's on the table.
[00:31:29]  You can't say stuff like that because that but is huge.
[00:31:32]  It's a pretty big one.
[00:31:34]  Yeah.
[00:31:34]  There's a lot of weight in the sentence on that disjunction.
[00:31:38]  Yeah, especially because it also has a certain sense of immediacy to it, that but right there.
[00:31:44]  Well, because there's a rabid dog coming at you.
[00:31:45]  I'm not a violence guy, but meaning today all options are on the table.
[00:31:51]  Well, because there is an immediacy.
[00:31:53]  Like I said, there's a rabid dog coming at your children.
[00:31:55]  Exactly.
[00:31:56]  So all options are on the table.
[00:31:57]  Right.
[00:31:58]  Yeah, that's great.
[00:31:59]  That's not great.
[00:31:59]  Yeah, I don't...
[00:32:01]  Can we just really stop for a second and listen to Alex say that I don't care what Trump does.
[00:32:09]  He has my trust.
[00:32:10]  I trust him completely.
[00:32:12]  Well, yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
[00:32:13]  There is zero people in government that I trust completely.
[00:32:18]  No, totally.
[00:32:19]  Ever.
[00:32:19]  And I believe in reality.
[00:32:22]  Yeah.
[00:32:23]  But Alex doesn't mean that.
[00:32:26]  We'll find that out later.
[00:32:27]  But it is interesting to hear.
[00:32:29]  That's his mindset on the 12th.
[00:32:31]  Whatever Trump does is great.
[00:32:33]  Now, what is great?
[00:32:34]  Is that Leanne McAdoo is back.
[00:32:37]  Oh, you're so happy.
[00:32:38]  I'm not, actually.
[00:32:39]  Oh, you're not?
[00:32:40]  No.
[00:32:40]  So while she's come back, she's come back from taking care of family members who were ill and what have you, and I don't really want to get into her personal life at all.
[00:32:48]  It is what it is.
[00:32:49]  To the extent Alex is going to bring it up, it may come up here.
[00:32:53]  But one piece of her personal life that I do find particularly interesting is that in this next clip, Alex says that she hasn't read the news in a year.
[00:33:02]  She goes, I'm like Rip Van Winkle.
[00:33:05]  She said, I'm like Rip Van Winkle.
[00:33:07]  I've not watched the news in a year.
[00:33:10]  Wow.
[00:33:11]  And she plunges right into here and we're talking about civil war and death.
[00:33:15]  So if you haven't read the news in a year, I would argue you probably don't care too much about Alex's bullshit.
[00:33:22]  Probably not.
[00:33:22]  I would say that it makes this even more performative and makes it all the more crass.
[00:33:27]  Yeah.
[00:33:28]  The idea that you could.
[00:33:30]  In 2018 or so, just not watch the news for a year.
[00:33:36]  It means, like, Alex has been screaming every day that tomorrow is the end of the world, the globalists are taking over.
[00:33:41]  You obviously don't believe that.
[00:33:43]  Oh, no.
[00:33:44]  If you check out for a year.
[00:33:45]  Yeah.
[00:33:46]  It's nonsense.
[00:33:47]  Saying something like that is really fucked up.
[00:33:50]  What's going on, Alex?
[00:33:51]  Well, the world is ending.
[00:33:53]  You know, that's so different from what you said a year ago whenever I stopped paying attention.
[00:33:57]  It's crazy.
[00:33:58]  When is it going to end?
[00:33:59]  In about six months?
[00:34:00]  Cool.
[00:34:00]  Can we book me for about a year from now?
[00:34:02]  She's like Rip Van Winkle if that story was about a guy who fell asleep for a hundred years and everything was this same when he woke back up.
[00:34:11]  Because InfoWars is, I mean, it's similar.
[00:34:15]  So, in this next clip, before Leanne comes in, because he's just sort of promoting that she's going to be in studio, Alex gets the news of his banning.
[00:34:23]  And I actually think that this is pretty smart.
[00:34:25]  His immediate response is exactly what he needed to do.
[00:34:28]  Okay, I'm going to wait to comment on this to the start of the fourth hour.
[00:34:32]  Maybe we can send Drudge an email.
[00:34:35]  Sometimes when I tell him to specifically comment on something, he's nice enough to give us...
[00:34:41]  That additional forum to communicate with the press and the president and the public, because Drudge is the water cooler of the planet.
[00:34:48]  So that is exactly what you need to do.
[00:34:50]  Yep.
[00:34:51]  Get the fucking Drudge.
[00:34:52]  I need him.
[00:34:53]  No one knows what I'm doing.
[00:34:55]  People are looking at his website.
[00:34:57]  I need help.
[00:34:58]  Drudge, save me.
[00:35:00]  Yeah.
[00:35:00]  And that's smart.
[00:35:01]  So he does that.
[00:35:02]  Yeah, and not going to say anything until I get to...
[00:35:06]  That's very smart.
[00:35:07]  That's very smart.
[00:35:08]  He doesn't follow that.
[00:35:09]  Of course not.
[00:35:10]  Of course not.
[00:35:11]  But he doesn't have an angle on it yet.
[00:35:14]  He hasn't read anything about it.
[00:35:16]  He just knows that people are talking about the fact that he's been kicked off stuff.
[00:35:19]  He's like, fuck, we've got to get ahead of this.
[00:35:21]  I need Drudge.
[00:35:22]  I'm not going to comment on it until the fourth hour, but I'm still going to fucking talk about stuff that's clearly related.
[00:35:29]  Like in that last clip, or not the last clip, but a little bit earlier when I told you he gives these indications of what was happening behind the scenes.
[00:35:37]  He said that he got a warning about this post about the idea that immigrants bring diseases in.
[00:35:43]  And like I said, I waited a little bit while longer and Alex got even more overt in this clip and it tells me everything I need to know.
[00:35:51]  So this is what's going on.
[00:35:53]  They also warned us they may ban the pages this week because we said the measles outbreak is coming from illegal aliens and showed an ABC News report.
[00:35:59]  Maybe we can document cam shot that.
[00:36:01]  So I'm not going to get to this till next hour.
[00:36:04]  You just got to it.
[00:36:06]  Yeah, you pretty much just said it.
[00:36:08]  Yeah.
[00:36:08]  So what Alex is saying there is he got a warning.
[00:36:12]  Huh.
[00:36:12]  It's crucially important to point out that Alex is making it super clear He got a warning about this.
[00:36:20]  No.
[00:36:20]  He said literally that he was told that they might take down his pages because of his coverage of immigrants and how he was blaming immigrant populations for spreading disease and causing outbreaks.
[00:36:29]  It came out of nowhere.
[00:36:30]  Alex tries to defend himself then in that last clip by saying he was just covering a story out of ABC News.
[00:36:35]  So why is he being so pilloried for reporting true news, the reality of the world?
[00:36:40]  Why?
[00:36:41]  In fairness to Alex, there was a story on ABC News from February 6th, 2019, with the headline, quote, Patient Zero in measles outbreak is a foreigner, which is common as a way outbreaks start.
[00:36:53]  Based solely on that headline, Alex probably feels like he's reporting things fairly.
[00:36:57]  Clearly, this measles outbreak started with a foreigner, as the headline says, so it must be one of these refugees coming from Central America.
[00:37:04]  Those are the imaginary diseased masses that Alex obsesses about, after all, so it must be.
[00:37:09]  It's said foreigner.
[00:37:11]  If Alex had read the actual article, he would be aware that the main point of the story is not that.
[00:37:16]  Daniel Salman of Johns Hopkins University, quote, stressed that the foreign individuals involved in the U.S. measles outbreak are not illegal immigrants, but rather, quote, it's people who have enough wealth to travel.
[00:37:28]  There's been ongoing measles outbreaks in Europe for years, and it's largely because of vaccine refusal.
[00:37:33]  There's also, right now, a bit of an outbreak happening in the New York Orthodox Jewish community.
[00:37:38]  And the source of that actual outbreak was traced back to an individual who caught measles while visiting Israel, which is a super common thing.

=== Travel Warnings and Vaccines (07:17) ===

[00:37:46]  Not catching measles in Israel, but catching interesting diseases while on vacation.
[00:37:50]  There are websites dedicated to helping people navigate exactly this sort of thing, providing travel alerts specific to whatever country someone's heading to so they can get the right shots and take necessary precautions.
[00:38:00]  Like, you just went to Mexico.
[00:38:01]  I'm sure you had some warnings of, you know, get this.
[00:38:05]  Get a diphtheria shot or whatever.
[00:38:07]  Make sure you're current on everything.
[00:38:10]  That sort of thing is important for travel.
[00:38:13]  Yeah, vaccines are good for that.
[00:38:14]  I like vaccines.
[00:38:15]  It's not a perfect system, this warning people, travel warnings and stuff like that.
[00:38:20]  And it's not like the government can enforce that sort of preparedness.
[00:38:24]  So sometimes people go to a foreign country, catch something, and unknowingly bring it back to the United States.
[00:38:29]  That's what this ABC News headline is discussing, which Alex is then intentionally misrepresenting in order to create his propaganda that immigrants have to be stopped from entering the country lest they infect everyone you know.
[00:38:41]  This is why social media companies would issue Alex a warning.
[00:38:45]  What he's doing is very, very dangerous.
[00:38:48]  This is nativist propaganda designed to dehumanize immigrants as diseased hordes that need to be repulsed.
[00:38:53]  I can't imagine why you would think that, Dan.
[00:38:55]  Has this ever been done before?
[00:38:58]  Well, when you reflect on the early stages of Nazi propaganda that led up to World War II, one of the things that deserves to be discussed more, even if it's discussed every day, which it's not, but it could be, and you still need to discuss it more, is the fact that one of the primary goals of the propaganda was not just to elicit hatred of the Jews and Nazis' other targets, like homosexuals and the Roma.
[00:39:18]  It's far more important, or it was to them, as an early step to make the public not care about them.
[00:39:25]  To quote from the Holocaust Memorial Encyclopedia, During periods preceding new measures against Jews, propaganda campaigns created an atmosphere tolerant of violence against Jews.
[00:39:35]  The goal was to encourage passivity and acceptance of anti-Jewish laws and decrees as a vehicle to restore public order.
[00:39:42]  Propaganda that demonized Jews also served to prepare the German population in the context of national emergency for harsher measures, such as mass deportations and eventually genocide.
[00:39:52]  If you replace Jew with immigrant or Muslim or drag queen storytime participant, Alex Jones' propaganda is indistinguishable in intention and formula from the early stages of the Third Reich, and his tone and rhetoric is getting way scarier.
[00:40:07]  The fact that these platforms gave him a warning speaks volumes and indicates strongly that they were giving him a very undeserved benefit of the doubt.
[00:40:16]  They were trying to warn him that he was expressing ideas that mirror rationalizations for past atrocities and was doing so by misrepresenting an actual story, imagining that he might have done it by accident.
[00:40:26]  My suspicion is that he was given the opportunity to make a correction about his misreporting, and when he didn't and showed that he wouldn't, it became clear that he was intentionally engaging in a demonization campaign.
[00:40:38]  Regardless of the efficacy of banning someone from social media...
[00:40:42]  Alex deserves every consequence he's experiencing, and probably more.
[00:40:46]  Oh yeah.
[00:40:46]  Probably everything short of actually hurting or threatening him, he deserves.
[00:40:50]  He deserves to be seen as unwelcome wherever he goes, in public, restaurants, everywhere.
[00:40:59]  He deserves this sort of behavior.
[00:41:02]  He should be shunned.
[00:41:04]  Well, I mean, that would be an interesting way to do it.
[00:41:06]  I think people would rather yell at him, because it's cathartic.
[00:41:09]  Yeah, of course.
[00:41:11]  Maybe a walk through the streets a la Cersei.
[00:41:15]  Maybe we get somebody behind him screaming shame.
[00:41:17]  Shame.
[00:41:17]  I wouldn't mind that.
[00:41:19]  Well, I wouldn't want to look at it.
[00:41:20]  He gets to do it closed.
[00:41:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:21]  Yeah, he gets to do it closed.
[00:41:22]  Except make sure that neck is revealed.
[00:41:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:28]  So...
[00:41:28]  You understand why it makes such a big difference to me, the idea that Alex is saying that they threatened to ban his pages for this before.
[00:41:36]  Because it gives a clear path of what's going on.
[00:41:39]  So Alex is reporting that stuff.
[00:41:41]  He's creating this propaganda narrative based on a misreading of a headline or the body of the story completely contradicts what he's saying.
[00:41:50]  Yeah, I mean, it's very clear to me what Alex has accidentally revealed on this episode.
[00:41:56]  Like, no matter what spin he's going to later try and take hold on this story, it's very clear to me that he got a warning.
[00:42:03]  He refused to change his behavior because it's more important to him to demonize immigrants.
[00:42:08]  When pointed out that you are doing this wrong in such a way that's dangerous and it seeks to other sort of marginalized communities...
[00:42:17]  He doesn't give a shit.
[00:42:18]  He moves forward, and when the consequences of his actions come, he cries free speech, cries all his pathetic, wait, wait, what about me?
[00:42:28]  And you'll see the way he tries, as the episode goes on, he crafts what his response is going to be to it.
[00:42:35]  Once he figures out, like, what angle can I take on this?
[00:42:39]  But, like, it's...
[00:42:41]  One of the things I find really interesting is that this ban is going to be far different than bans that Alex has had in the past.
[00:42:49]  And we'll get into some of the reasons why as we go along.
[00:42:53]  But I want to say, just before we get too far in, I don't care about this.
[00:42:59]  Naturally.
[00:43:00]  Until we see a little bit more.
[00:43:02]  Like, if it is effective in terms of diminishing his platform and that sort of thing.
[00:43:09]  Then I'm in favor of it.
[00:43:10]  I think it's for the public's health, quite frankly, and safety.
[00:43:16]  But history has shown that he's been able to flout every ban that's come so far.
[00:43:23]  He's been able to wiggle his way around the rules.
[00:43:25]  So until there's some sort of proof of efficacy, I have a very hard time getting excited about some sort of ban like this.
[00:43:34]  Right.
[00:43:34]  Well, the only thing I think about it is...
[00:43:37]  Okay, Facebook, you opened the box.
[00:43:40]  What's the size of the outlet that you're going to ban?
[00:43:44]  Tucker Carlson has said similar shit.
[00:43:47]  Are you going to have the balls to go after somebody who's at Fox News?
[00:43:52]  It's interesting to see where it goes.
[00:43:57]  That's the other problem with it, though, is that whatever direction it does go will confirm Alex's Yeah.
[00:44:07]  You know what I mean?
[00:44:08]  Like, yes, absolutely.
[00:44:10]  Tucker Carlson has expressed a lot of these dangerous ideas.
[00:44:13]  Right.
[00:44:13]  Well, so it's fucking Trump.
[00:44:14]  Yeah.
[00:44:15]  So, you know, you kick them off social media.
[00:44:18]  That only confirms Alex's screaming about how they're coming for you next.
[00:44:23]  Yep.
[00:44:23]  They take me out and then they're coming for you next.
[00:44:25]  So there's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy to pretty much everything Alex is saying.
[00:44:31]  Yeah.
[00:44:31]  It's like, if nothing happens, then he wins.
[00:44:34]  And if...
[00:44:35]  All of those things happen.
[00:44:36]  Then he gets to pretend he was right.
[00:44:38]  Right.
[00:44:38]  And even if they had never done that, he would still come with that narrative that they're trying to ban everybody.
[00:44:44]  So why not ban him?
[00:44:45]  He's going to say the same shit either way.

=== Leanne's Comforting Presence (13:58) ===

[00:44:48]  In one circumstance, he just gets to say it softer.
[00:44:51]  Yeah.
[00:44:51]  Yeah, I know.
[00:44:52]  It's hard.
[00:44:54]  I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
[00:44:55]  Right.
[00:44:56]  So Alex has found out that he's getting banned from all these places, but he doesn't care.
[00:45:01]  He doesn't give a shit.
[00:45:02]  You know why?
[00:45:03]  Because Leanne McAdoo is there.
[00:45:05]  Oh, that's nice.
[00:45:05]  She's a comforting presence.
[00:45:07]  Alex says that, but I find it unconvincing.
[00:45:10]  Oh, yeah?
[00:45:10]  How's it going to go?
[00:45:11]  Listen to the tone of his voice.
[00:45:12]  This is awesome to have Leanne back.
[00:45:14]  I don't even care if I'm getting banned on Facebook even more because Leanne's here.
[00:45:18]  It's like a member of the family here.
[00:45:21]  We'll be right back.
[00:45:22]  it was.
[00:45:22]  Oh, oh.
[00:45:24]  Hey.
[00:45:29]  Between that weird pause and then we'll be right back.
[00:45:33]  We'll be right back.
[00:45:34]  And Leanne's real soft, awkward laugh.
[00:45:37]  That didn't...
[00:45:38]  I don't even care!
[00:45:39]  Because you're here, Leanne!
[00:45:41]  Ha!
[00:45:44]  Not good.
[00:45:45]  No.
[00:45:46]  So in this next clip, Alex and Leanne get to have a little bit of a conversation about how there's no empathy online.
[00:45:52]  There's a lack of empathy in the world, and that's something that needs to be fixed.
[00:45:56]  Now, the example that they end up using as a lack of empathy, I'd like you to pay close attention to this and realize that it's his own fans.
[00:46:04]  Hey.
[00:46:07]  Huh.
[00:46:12]  Huh.
[00:46:15]  By the way, speaking to you, I know your grandmother had a, you know, get into your private stuff or a shit.
[00:46:20]  Sure.
[00:46:20]  She had a brain tumor, all the way through that, and then your mom got cancer, and then your dad died.
[00:46:24]  I mean, you went through a lot the last few years.
[00:46:26]  Last year.
[00:46:28]  And the enemy turned it into, you know, I raped you or something while you left.
[00:46:33]  Right.
[00:46:33]  I mean, that's what the internet does.
[00:46:34]  It's sick.
[00:46:35]  Right.
[00:46:35]  Yeah, that's, you know, that was the thing.
[00:46:37]  That was another reason why I just shut it all down, because everyone was creating all of these.
[00:46:41]  Like you said, when it rains, it pours.
[00:46:43]  Yeah.
[00:46:44]  Last year was hard.
[00:46:45]  I mean, everybody here in the studio, we lost Joe Jennings and, you know, a few of my friends' mothers, you know.
[00:46:51]  He's such a sweetheart, too.
[00:46:52]  Yeah.
[00:46:53]  It's just, it was a rough year.
[00:46:55]  It was a very tough time, and a lot of people out there that want to come up with their own conspiracy theories about why I wasn't around.
[00:47:02]  You know, it's just people need to stop and, like, realize the energy that they're putting out in the world.
[00:47:08]  It's evil.
[00:47:09]  It's evil just to make up that, you know, Alex Jones broke Leanne's jaw.
[00:47:13]  That's why she's gone.
[00:47:14]  We've never even kissed each other.
[00:47:16]  It's all a damn lie.
[00:47:17]  Her dad died.
[00:47:18]  Her mom had cancer.
[00:47:19]  Her grandmother.
[00:47:20]  It's like, this is the real world, people.
[00:47:21]  This isn't a joke.
[00:47:22]  Right.
[00:47:23]  And that's what we're kind of losing.
[00:47:25]  What we need to get back to is our compassion for each other and, like, empathy.
[00:47:30]  I think that you can see a little bit of those, like, hippie instincts that Leanne McAdoo had before she came into InfoWars.
[00:47:38]  Maybe have been bubbling back to the surface in the time that she's been away.
[00:47:42]  Because what she's expressing, I think, is not an awful thing.
[00:47:45]  Like, the idea that we are detached from some of our empathy that we should have towards other people.
[00:47:51]  I agree.
[00:47:52]  All of those theories about Alex having an affair with Leanne, him hurting her, any of those sorts of things, that being the reason that she's gone, no one who criticizes InfoWars other than us know who Leanne McAdoo is.
[00:48:07]  No one knows who she is.
[00:48:10]  Only InfoWars people.
[00:48:12]  None of your enemies know who your staff is.
[00:48:16]  Nope.
[00:48:17]  Remember when that video of Owen Schroer getting yelled at by a little kid and her giving him the finger?
[00:48:21]  Yeah.
[00:48:22]  Remember when that went around?
[00:48:22]  No one knew who Owen Schroer was.
[00:48:25]  They just said, Infowars employer gets flipped off by a child.
[00:48:29]  No one knows who David Knight is.
[00:48:32]  No.
[00:48:32]  Thank God.
[00:48:32]  No one knows who any of these people are until they get sued or something.
[00:48:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:48:38]  And so, like, right now.
[00:48:40]  The courts know who Leanne McAdoo is because she's being sued about that Charlottesville thing.
[00:48:44]  Right, right, right.
[00:48:44]  But, like, no.
[00:48:45]  No one who was trying to attack Alex made these theories up.
[00:48:49]  They were his fans and his jaded ex-fans who have toxic spaces online.
[00:48:56]  That they talk about how Leanne's awful because her ex-boyfriend was black and stuff like that.
[00:49:01]  Legitimately!
[00:49:02]  That's something that...
[00:49:03]  InfoWars people would say.
[00:49:04]  I don't think we would say that.
[00:49:06]  No!
[00:49:07]  I don't think so.
[00:49:08]  I don't think that one was us.
[00:49:09]  No.
[00:49:10]  I...
[00:49:10]  And I'm not saying that as a us thing.
[00:49:13]  No, no, no, no.
[00:49:15]  Of course not.
[00:49:15]  I don't take this sort of thing personally at all.
[00:49:17]  Oh, not even a little bit.
[00:49:18]  I'm saying that I've observed message boards and places like that.
[00:49:22]  And the people who talk about the sort of stuff that they're complaining about are all InfoWars fans or former InfoWars fans who think that Alex dodges the Jewish question.
[00:49:32]  Stuff like that.
[00:49:33]  Yeah, that entire clip...
[00:49:36]  It should be grounds for some sort of capital punishment along the lines of a slap.
[00:49:44]  I think that Alex saying that with a straight face requires a slap to the face, right?
[00:49:50]  I don't know.
[00:49:50]  Him saying this is real life, guys?
[00:49:53]  A bucket of water, maybe.
[00:49:54]  Oh.
[00:49:55]  Like a bracing cold bucket of water.
[00:49:58]  Maybe a backhand.
[00:49:59]  No.
[00:50:00]  How about a dynasty slap?
[00:50:01]  I have to take a hard line here because I don't endorse physical violence.
[00:50:05]  Yeah, but a slap is a different thing.
[00:50:06]  But a bracing cold bucket of water.
[00:50:07]  Bracing cold bucket of water?
[00:50:08]  I'm for it.
[00:50:09]  Because sometimes that'll jostle you back into reality.
[00:50:12]  Because that's insane.
[00:50:13]  Whoa, whoa.
[00:50:14]  Literally, she said, some people online want to come up with their own conspiracy theories, and they wind up hurting people.
[00:50:23]  I can't help but think that something needs to be done.
[00:50:28]  Well, I don't think Leanne really wants to be there.
[00:50:29]  I don't think so either.
[00:50:30]  I think that she's still wrapped up in this lawsuit and probably wants that to go away.
[00:50:35]  Yeah, of course.
[00:50:35]  But I don't get the sense from listening to this, and I'm not letting her off the hook or anything like that.
[00:50:41]  I still think she's complicit.
[00:50:42]  But she is not as enthusiastic a participant in this as Alex wants her to be.
[00:50:47]  Oh, of course not.
[00:50:47]  In this interview.
[00:50:50]  So, yeah, I mean, she's way off base in terms of who she's pointing the finger at, but the fact that a finger should be pointed to people's lack of empathy, I'll go with you on it.
[00:51:00]  I'll go with you halfway, but you need to look in the mirror and see what...
[00:51:04]  Would those people exist without you?
[00:51:10]  Oh, yeah?
[00:51:11]  Like, without this Infowars propaganda world.
[00:51:15]  So you're saying that...
[00:51:16]  Had InfoWars not created a rabid fanbase of conspiracy theory-loving lunatics who go off at the drop of a hat on a message board screaming about all kinds of different violent actions that they want done, if they didn't have them...
[00:51:32]  Then would InfoWars employees not be harassed by them?
[00:51:36]  An InfoWars employee leaving to go take care of her ailing family members wouldn't be seen as something suspicious, except in that environment that you have been an active participant in creating.
[00:51:47]  In fact, yeah.
[00:51:48]  Boy, I don't want to say goes around comes around.
[00:51:52]  It's not quite that.
[00:51:53]  I still don't like that people get these sorts of...
[00:51:56]  No, absolutely not.
[00:51:57]  It's harassment.
[00:51:59]  Of course.
[00:51:59]  On some level.
[00:52:00]  And I'm not for it, but you've got to recognize what the soup is made of.
[00:52:05]  Yeah.
[00:52:06]  That's it.
[00:52:08]  That's my only position on it.
[00:52:10]  It's like, yes, these are the ingredients.
[00:52:13]  You made that soup.
[00:52:15]  You don't have to eat it.
[00:52:16]  You shouldn't be forced to eat it.
[00:52:17]  But that soup, and you helped make it.
[00:52:19]  Yep.
[00:52:20]  That metaphor doesn't really work.
[00:52:21]  No, I think they are eating the soup.
[00:52:23]  Yeah, and we're in the soup, as Woodhouse would say, PG Woodhouse.
[00:52:27]  We're in the soup up to our thorax.
[00:52:29]  Yeah, it's high.
[00:52:30]  It's getting higher.
[00:52:30]  So in this next clip, Alex has finally figured out how he's going to spin the ban.
[00:52:35]  And I think partially it's because Louis Farrakhan was also banned at the same time.
[00:52:41]  And Louis Farrakhan was banned for his anti-Semitic statements and positions.
[00:52:46]  And so Alex decides...
[00:52:48]  That everyone who got banned is being claimed to be an anti-Semite.
[00:52:53]  Nice, nice move.
[00:52:55]  That's a good one.
[00:52:56]  So here's him expressing that.
[00:52:58]  I mean, the media knows that I'm not anti-Israel, and if I wanted to be anti-Israel, that's my right.
[00:53:03]  Different thing.
[00:53:04]  But they know that I'm one of the hottest figures for decades attacked on the Internet by anti-Semites who are mainly leftist-funded who want to control the narrative.
[00:53:12]  Of course.
[00:53:12]  They want to make nationalism racist.
[00:53:14]  So just the claim that I'm banned from Facebook for being anti-Semitic, it's just outrageous BS.
[00:53:21]  It's just insane.
[00:53:22]  I don't hate anybody because they're Jewish or Iranian or Mexican.
[00:53:26]  I like certain people.
[00:53:27]  I like a lot of Jews.
[00:53:28]  There's a bunch of Jews I dislike.
[00:53:30]  And I should not even explain that.
[00:53:32]  And I'm not going to play race cards here.
[00:53:33]  It's just that, you know, I never even thought, oh, my ex-wife's part Jewish.
[00:53:40]  So that means my kids can be called Jewish.
[00:53:41]  And then anti-Semites talk about how they want to get my kids.
[00:53:43]  My kids are just Americans and they're patriots and whatever they want to believe.
[00:53:46]  Matrilineal heritage.
[00:53:49]  They all self-identified as Christians.
[00:53:51]  They have the right of return.
[00:53:52]  It's sick.
[00:53:53]  It's sick to have kids that are part Jewish and be called an anti-Semite, but I've never said a damn thing against Jews.
[00:53:59]  I mean, Zuckerberg and your managers, screw you.
[00:54:01]  You're, you're, man, you're dicks, man.
[00:54:04]  You're jerks, man.
[00:54:05]  I like that.
[00:54:07]  Right?
[00:54:07]  You're dicks.
[00:54:08]  You're dicks.
[00:54:10]  Did he just do the...
[00:54:11]  You guys are mean!
[00:54:13]  I mean, there's shades of it, yeah.
[00:54:15]  And we know from going back to, like, 2009 period, Alex was very anti-Israel, or at least pretty anti-Israel.
[00:54:23]  And he did use ideas about dual citizenship and right of return in order to make accusations about people's allegiances with Israel.
[00:54:34]  Which is, now that I know that his kids probably do have right of return.
[00:54:38]  Well, it doesn't...
[00:54:39]  I know, but it's all nonsense.
[00:54:41]  At the time, he was completely denying the fact that his ex-wife, or his now ex-wife, had any Jewish heritage at all.
[00:54:50]  Now, he's totally fine with that being a big part of it, and decrying that people are talking about the idea that his kids are part Jewish.
[00:54:57]  And, I mean, you pointing out the right of return thing is sort of poking fun at the idea that that was a piece of Alex's own rhetoric.
[00:55:05]  It's silly to see how completely Inverted.
[00:55:10]  It is now.
[00:55:11]  And it's not because he's in the pocket of Israel or anything like that.
[00:55:15]  It's convenience.
[00:55:16]  He is looking for something simple, and this is an easy way to let himself off the hook for all of the, well, let's say...
[00:55:24]  Deeply anti-Semitic trends that go throughout his rhetoric and worldview.
[00:55:28]  Even if he doesn't say, I hate Jews or something like that, that doesn't mean that most of his ideas of who the globalists are aren't based on archaic anti-Semitism.
[00:55:37]  That doesn't let you off the hook for those sorts of things.
[00:55:41]  And let's be honest, if it was the early 1930s, he would be demonizing Jews all over the place.
[00:55:46]  You bet.
[00:55:47]  Of course.
[00:55:47]  You bet.
[00:55:48]  Whatever's popular to demonize, he's going to be on the forefront.
[00:55:51]  Well, wherever the money is.
[00:55:52]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:55:53]  Well, exactly.
[00:55:54]  Wherever the populist, in heavy quotes, agitation money lies, he will go.
[00:56:00]  Yeah.
[00:56:00]  As we've seen from looking at him over the course of the years.
[00:56:04]  Anyway.
[00:56:05]  Motherfucker.
[00:56:06]  Yeah, so that's what he's decided the story is going to be, is that they're accusing him of being anti-Semitic, and that's why he was kicked off.
[00:56:12]  And they're a bunch of dicks.
[00:56:14]  I'm fine with that.
[00:56:15]  Yeah, me too.
[00:56:15]  I'll actually join him on that.
[00:56:16]  Yep, for sure.
[00:56:17]  If this was all just people calling Zuckerberg a dick, I'm on.
[00:56:21]  I'm in.
[00:56:22]  We're jumping into that gravy boat right there.
[00:56:25]  So, in this next clip, Leanne gets a little bit heady.
[00:56:29]  Uh-huh.
[00:56:30]  She's talking about how she was out in the, like, you know, get outside the city, you look up, you see the stars, and they're huge.
[00:56:36]  All right, I'm liking this.
[00:56:37]  Right.
[00:56:38]  If we had esoteric Alex, this would have been a fantastic conversation.
[00:56:42]  It could have been, but so she's trying to give, like, sort of some ideas about the scale of the universe and that sort of thing.
[00:56:49]  We're so small within it.
[00:56:50]  Right.
[00:56:51]  And if we could get back to our rural roots, that sort of thing, we could look up to the sky and see how small we are in the grand scheme of things.
[00:56:58]  And then Alex goes Project Camelot on our asses.
[00:57:01]  If we were able to, like, back in the day, you know, people were able to see the sky like that, it would really put how small we are in perspective and how the little trivial stories that they're forcing us to be really angry about.
[00:57:14]  These little people are making us focus on them and make them gods instead of just looking at the larger universe.
[00:57:20]  And by the way, I remember being in Monument Valley, Utah, when I was like 10 years old and staying up almost all night and drinking coffee with my dad because you could see satellites.
[00:57:28]  And you can also see, like, craft, whatever they were.
[00:57:32]  And it's like, whoa, this is, like, incredible.
[00:57:35]  We have to transcend realizing Hillary Clinton's not in charge.
[00:57:39]  So, I think Alex...
[00:57:41]  Yeah, you guys are right on time for that.
[00:57:42]  Alex is, like, saying he saw spaceships, I believe.
[00:57:46]  Some saucers?
[00:57:47]  He saw a couple saucers!
[00:57:49]  And that Hillary isn't in charge.
[00:57:51]  Got to realize it.
[00:57:52]  Presumably, because that thought followed the last one, it implies that he's saying those aliens are in charge.
[00:57:58]  Right?
[00:58:00]  Uh...
[00:58:00]  Oh, boy.
[00:58:02]  Doesn't it?
[00:58:03]  Doesn't it seem to imply that?
[00:58:04]  I don't know.
[00:58:05]  I don't know if he's necessarily going straight saucers.
[00:58:10]  Alright, I'll withdraw it, but I still think it's there.
[00:58:13]  I get where you're coming from.
[00:58:14]  Alright, so let's move along to this.
[00:58:16]  I just hate that.
[00:58:17]  Why the fuck did we create cities if the fucking sky was so great?
[00:58:20]  Cities are great, skies are great too.
[00:58:23]  I can see both sides of this.
[00:58:25]  I like to camp.
[00:58:26]  I love to go out there, get my hands dirty.
[00:58:28]  How dare you talk about the out of doors to me?
[00:58:30]  I love it.

=== Headlines Over Nuance (09:15) ===

[00:58:31]  Disgusting.
[00:58:32]  You gotta go camping sometime.
[00:58:33]  Never.
[00:58:33]  So, in this next clip, Leanne complains about how...
[00:58:38]  I want you to put your mic down for my explanation of this, because you're just gonna yell at me.
[00:58:42]  Okay.
[00:58:42]  I just want to get it out in one sentence.
[00:58:44]  Okay.
[00:58:45]  Because it's so crazy.
[00:58:47]  Leanne is complaining about the idea that there are these stories about Alex Jones getting banned, and there's nuance in the story, but people are just going to read the headlines of the stories about Alex being banned and then believe bad things about Alex, which is crazy.
[00:59:05]  It's simple.
[00:59:06]  I mean, the globalists thought they had America under its control, and now that's not happening, so they're freaking out.
[00:59:11]  I want to come back and take a few calls on censorship and what's happening, but Leanne, Again, drudges link to us right now.
[00:59:19]  People are asking why this is happening.
[00:59:20]  You read these articles.
[00:59:22]  You've got them right there.
[00:59:23]  It says we're purging Alex Jones, and they don't even give a reason why except talking about anti-Semitism.
[00:59:28]  Right, and they know people because people have already, quote-unquote, evolved to the point where they don't even read the articles.
[00:59:34]  They just read the headlines.
[00:59:36]  They read the headlines, and they read the 150 characters that might be in a Facebook post.
[00:59:41]  Your boss, who you're sitting next to, is the king of just reading headlines.
[00:59:47]  And has already said on this episode that Facebook gave him a warning about a story he was misrepresenting because, most likely, he was operating entirely off assumptions he'd made about a headline.
[01:00:00]  This is nonsense.
[01:00:01]  Bring back the stocks.
[01:00:02]  Bring back the stocks.
[01:00:03]  I want them in stocks.
[01:00:05]  I want people throwing lettuce at their face for 24 hours.
[01:00:08]  Only soft lettuce.
[01:00:09]  Soft lettuce.
[01:00:10]  Yes.
[01:00:10]  Without E. coli?
[01:00:12]  Absolutely.
[01:00:13]  99%.
[01:00:14]  You can put one quarter of a bug in each piece of lettuce.
[01:00:18]  One quarter of a bug?
[01:00:19]  One quarter of a bug.
[01:00:20]  That's what's acceptable with the FDA standard for throwing soft lettuce at people.
[01:00:24]  All right.
[01:00:24]  I hadn't read that filing.
[01:00:25]  It's in there.
[01:00:26]  It's been in there for a long time.
[01:00:28]  So speaking of me now reading that filing, it turns out that Alex is saying that he's being banned for being anti-Semitic.
[01:00:34]  And all that stuff.
[01:00:35]  But accidentally reveals in this next clip he hadn't read any of those articles because there's a major piece of it that he missed.
[01:00:41]  I hadn't read this.
[01:00:42]  We need to get Paul on immediately.
[01:00:44]  Paul Joseph Watson was banned.
[01:00:46]  He was the real target of this.
[01:00:47]  He was slaying it.
[01:00:49]  So he didn't even know that Paul had been banned along with him, which means he hadn't read most of the headlines.
[01:00:55]  He didn't even read the headlines.
[01:00:57]  So I mentioned this earlier.
[01:00:59]  He only made it through 120 characters of the tweets.
[01:01:03]  I mentioned a little bit earlier, in the past, these social media bans have been really big duds.
[01:01:08]  They've been really easy for Alex to get around, in part because he has a dedicated staff of employees who could keep making vaguely named pages whenever one of his main ones got taken down.
[01:01:18]  As Alex has said in the past, when they cut off one of my tentacles, three more grow back, which is definitely imagery that makes him sound like the hero of this story.
[01:01:26]  Hail Hydra!
[01:01:27]  Right.
[01:01:28]  This particular ban may prove to be more effective.
[01:01:31]  As it's pointed out in an article out of Wired, Facebook and Instagram say that, quote, All their personal and professional accounts, or any accounts that appear to represent them or their organization, are no longer permitted on either platform.
[01:01:46]  The, quote, any account that appears to represent them part is going to be devastating for Alex, I believe.
[01:01:53]  Yeah.
[01:01:54]  I have zero faith in social media outlets to protect their users, and I have zero faith in them following their own rules.
[01:01:59]  We'll see what happens.
[01:02:00]  But it takes a little more than this for me to say Alex's days are numbered.
[01:02:04]  It might be another matter for a couple other people involved, namely Milo and Laura Loomer, who were banned along with Alex Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars, and Paul Nalit, that white supremacist anti-Semitic dude.
[01:02:18]  Yeah, that's nice.
[01:02:18]  Get him out of here.
[01:02:19]  Yeah, get out.
[01:02:20]  Get him out of here.
[01:02:21]  The two of them, Milo and Laura Loomer, may actually be at the end of their respective grifts.
[01:02:25]  And really, the reason becomes clear in circumstances like this.
[01:02:29]  Their only skills are agitating.
[01:02:31]  If they're really journalists, a social media ban wouldn't impede their work, since they could write a devastating piece on their own website or blog.
[01:02:39]  And if they're actually any good and sourced and based on accurate information, it would be shared and picked up by at least a number of independent places.
[01:02:47]  You could get something in The Intercept if you were actually doing some sort of good work about this.
[01:02:53]  If they were concerned about the stigma...
[01:02:56]  That they might have with their name, they could use a pen name, like actually blacklisted writers did in the McCarthy era that they coincidentally think didn't go far enough.
[01:03:06]  They're supporters of the McCarthy era.
[01:03:09]  Without the help of these tools of immediacy, like the idea of live streaming and things like that, people like Loomer have nothing, and they know it.
[01:03:18]  I empathize with her freaking out, and everybody's making fun of her, and spoiler alert, we are going to talk a little bit about that towards the end of this episode.
[01:03:25]  I don't want to make a mockery of someone who may very well be having a mental health episode.
[01:03:30]  But make no mistake, what's behind the freakout that she's having is not, oh no, the globalists are winning.
[01:03:36]  It's, oh no, my scam doesn't really work without Periscope.
[01:03:39]  The panic comes from the recognition that this is the end of the road for her con.
[01:03:46]  And also, for anyone concerned that we, as a podcast, are going to somehow be affected by this ban, have no fear.
[01:03:52]  Facebook said that, quote, users will be prohibited from sharing Infowars videos, radio clips, articles, and other content from the site unless they're explicitly condemning the material.
[01:04:01]  I think our condemnation has been pretty explicit up until this point.
[01:04:04]  I don't know.
[01:04:04]  We might lose a couple episodes.
[01:04:07]  This Wired article includes one of the few lines that gives me hope that this could be an effective ban against someone like Alex.
[01:04:14]  And it's this.
[01:04:15]  Quote, I would actually say they are still reserved for terrorist organizations and self-proclaimed hate groups.
[01:04:34]  Yeah.
[01:04:35]  I would say that fits well within the bill.
[01:04:37]  Right.
[01:04:37]  So they're using, and it's not an automated algorithmic tool, but what they're doing is anybody who posts, like, people who appear to be representing them, disseminating their content, just taken down.
[01:04:53]  Yeah, they got a really good guy named Nick who's taking care of it for us.
[01:04:56]  This is good.
[01:04:57]  Alex is running an organization that at this point is primarily motivated by inspiring white Western terrorism and apologizing for it when it does happen and making excuses for it, and also deceptively selling fish oil.
[01:05:08]  And calling it false false flags.
[01:05:10]  Right.
[01:05:11]  So if a private company is deciding to treat him correctly, then good.
[01:05:15]  Fuck him.
[01:05:15]  This isn't a free speech issue in the least.
[01:05:18]  And ultimately, the irony of the situation is the only way that Alex can argue to reverse the decision is to try and get Trump to help him with executive orders.
[01:05:26]  For years, he's screamed bloody murder about an overpowered executive branch and the evils of the federal government encroaching on businesses.
[01:05:32]  And now, possibly his only hope to stay afloat as a propaganda machine is to advocate for the federal government to step in and dictate what speech is or is not allowed by a private business.
[01:05:42]  Alex would basically have to argue against free speech in order to save his supposed right to be on Facebook, which should be fun to see him bend himself into a pretzel to see.
[01:05:51]  No, we gotta kill free speech now, and then we'll save it later, when we all get angry enough that we don't have free speech, that we're like, okay, Trump, give it back now.
[01:06:00]  I just realized, because you framed it that way, it's basically an episode of House.
[01:06:04]  In order to save his patient, House has to kill her for a minute.
[01:06:08]  But, alright.
[01:06:09]  So...
[01:06:10]  I guess to put it briefly, because I think that the things that I said there might sound a tiny bit contradictory or a little bit all over the place.
[01:06:19]  I would distill it to say this.
[01:06:21]  I think that Alex has the resources at his disposal currently, whether it be the employees and the built-in infrastructure of being able to have people take his stream and broadcast it super easily.
[01:06:36]  I think he has those things at his disposal that will make a ban incredibly difficult to stick.
[01:06:43]  However, the fact that they're saying that they're going to treat this like a way that they could knock down these dummy accounts and treat it like a terrorist organization, I think that that's inspiring in some ways.
[01:06:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:06:58]  We'll see what happens.
[01:07:00]  Not super optimistic about it.
[01:07:01]  I think Milo and Laura are completely fucked.
[01:07:05]  I think they're done with whatever hustles they've been on.
[01:07:09]  Because Milo relied entirely on Mercer money, which went away as soon as he got kicked off a bunch of stuff, and he wasn't an effective mouthpiece.
[01:07:18]  He had no infrastructure.
[01:07:19]  He was only being able to publish his books and disseminate them because of that funding.
[01:07:24]  So without that, and now without Instagram, I don't see...
[01:07:28]  I don't see what kind of hustle he can pull off.
[01:07:30]  Laura Loomer has no talent.

=== Picking Corn Dreams (06:48) ===

[01:07:32]  She's only good at creating a brouhaha.
[01:07:36]  Yeah.
[01:07:36]  And without the access to streaming materials and stuff like that, she has nothing.
[01:07:41]  I think she's going to probably sell insurance.
[01:07:43]  I think that's where she's going to go next.
[01:07:45]  I don't know.
[01:07:46]  I wish her the best.
[01:07:47]  I don't think that's going to be a road that's open to her.
[01:07:50]  It's a tough gig.
[01:07:51]  We'll see what you think at the end of this episode.
[01:07:53]  Okay.
[01:07:53]  So we have two more clips left from May 2nd.
[01:07:57]  Alex has found out that him and PJW were kicked off the social media, and it starts to dawn on him that maybe he's done.
[01:08:09]  So is the crew ready to get laid off for me to go about this close?
[01:08:13]  Well, I feel like you've built up the operation enough that you have really great people on this team that would be able to allow you the time to recharge.
[01:08:21]  Well, I've done it at gut level.
[01:08:23]  Disappearing for about a year or two.
[01:08:26]  Would, like, really be the move.
[01:08:29]  And believe me, I want it to, my God.
[01:08:31]  So he's expressing that he just wants to leave.
[01:08:33]  Earlier I was talking about how he gets high when he's gardening.
[01:08:37]  Yeah, of course.
[01:08:38]  As someone who's growing some plants.
[01:08:40]  I think that's a stretch, but I do enjoy it.
[01:08:43]  Well, he's got a lot of krill oil going on, so...
[01:08:45]  Maybe that's what I'm not doing.
[01:08:46]  Five tablets of that, and you'll be seeing Santa Claus in those plants.
[01:08:49]  I do think that there's some interesting things, and it does feel really great to see these plants coming up from seeds, from nothing.
[01:08:55]  It's really interesting.
[01:08:56]  And then also to understand that...
[01:09:00]  You think of a plant as a non-thing, like a cat you can interact with.
[01:09:05]  They're alive and jumping all over the place.
[01:09:08]  Because you just come and you see these plants right here, you don't see them over the course of a day.
[01:09:14]  It's really interesting that plants move a lot more than you think.
[01:09:18]  There's those sorts of things that you get from the experience of growing plants.
[01:09:22]  So, yeah, sure, Alex, go fucking be a gardener is what I'm saying.
[01:09:25]  Yeah, that sounds great!
[01:09:26]  That would be fun!
[01:09:27]  I get it!
[01:09:28]  You might think that was just a stray thought that Alex had, but a little bit later he says this.
[01:09:33]  Leanne, don't tempt me.
[01:09:35]  You're really tempting me right now.
[01:09:38]  I'm just saying.
[01:09:38]  I have dreams about this.
[01:09:39]  I have dreams where I'm like, just picking corn.
[01:09:43]  You know, like ancestral memory, like picking corn or cooking food or like sweeping.
[01:09:47]  There's a reason why you're getting that message.
[01:09:49]  Instead of just looking at Hillary's evil face all day long.
[01:09:51]  Right.
[01:09:52]  There's a reason why you and a lot of us are being sent that message to just like unplug and get back to the basics of what is real.
[01:10:00]  No, I agree.
[01:10:01]  For the average parent out there, you need to take your children, move to the country and flee now.
[01:10:04]  Money, power, none of it means anything.
[01:10:06]  It means nothing.
[01:10:07]  It's crap.
[01:10:08]  It means nothing.
[01:10:08]  It's just a trap.
[01:10:10]  So he's telling his audience to head to the fucking hills, which is pretty fucked up, and expressing that I really maybe should do that.
[01:10:18]  He's all over the place.
[01:10:19]  First he's saying you need to murder your enemies, and now he's saying you should just leave?
[01:10:24]  Well, because he got kicked off social media.
[01:10:25]  Pick one!
[01:10:25]  He got kicked off social media, and I was like, fuck it, I'm having dreams of sweeping.
[01:10:34]  You see how, like...
[01:10:36]  Every night I fall asleep in pick corn.
[01:10:38]  I just pick corn.
[01:10:40]  I don't look at Hillary's face at all.
[01:10:41]  I take a bunch of krill oil and I trip balls thinking about chores.
[01:10:45]  Except that one time I saw that piece of corn that looked like Hillary's face.
[01:10:50]  That krill oil was past its expiration date.
[01:10:55]  I mean, what you have here, I think that this is really important as a piece of this.
[01:11:02]  Alex is so unhinged as a person, and so unmoored from any kind of bearing, keeping him in place, that over the course of this show, you do hear him screaming about decapitating his enemies, and then a little bit later being like, well, you know, I'm talking about, who does war games in here?
[01:11:20]  And then once he gets kicked off social media, it's a whole different animal.
[01:11:24]  He is like, fuck it, I want to garden.
[01:11:27]  Leanne, I want to get out of here.
[01:11:30]  Do you think Canada will have me?
[01:11:32]  No.
[01:11:32]  No, Alex.
[01:11:34]  Everyone thinks I hate Jews.
[01:11:35]  And look, I want to go make plants and sweep.
[01:11:41]  Because there aren't any Jews in the garden.
[01:11:43]  He has no center.
[01:11:44]  He has no ability to just be.
[01:11:48]  And that's sad.
[01:11:48]  And I think that's something that's actually kind of interesting that Leanne is kind of bringing to the table.
[01:11:53]  There's a zen-ness to her.
[01:11:55]  She does feel a lot more mentally healthy.
[01:11:57]  I feel like she's trying to help Alex a little bit.
[01:12:01]  You have a lot of employees here.
[01:12:03]  You could take some time off.
[01:12:05]  She doesn't know that he does not have anyone who could take over.
[01:12:08]  Nope.
[01:12:08]  But it's interesting because this is how this episode ends.
[01:12:14]  And you have Leanne coming in and kind of giving...
[01:12:18]  What has the semblance of empathy to Alex?
[01:12:22]  Trying to help him care for himself.
[01:12:25]  At least a little bit.
[01:12:26]  It's the inverse of our 30-year-old kid, Alex.
[01:12:30]  Sort of.
[01:12:31]  And it's also the inverse of what's going to be at the end of the May 3rd episode.
[01:12:35]  Keep that in mind.
[01:12:37]  Oh, is Leanne going to be back for her third, too?
[01:12:38]  No.
[01:12:39]  Oh, Laura Loomer will be coming up.
[01:12:41]  Oh no!
[01:12:42]  Yes.
[01:12:42]  No, boo!
[01:12:44]  So we start the third here with Alex having talked to his lawyers the night before and him thinking that he's on a much better footing than he is.
[01:12:55]  So he has a little bit of a manic energy coming in where he is going to prove that everyone has wronged him.
[01:13:01]  And he's going to lay it all out on this episode.
[01:13:04]  It's going to be so important.
[01:13:06]  And then he compares himself to Jesus twice.
[01:13:08]  Did Barnes buy an old-fashioned fucking cash register just so he could go cha-ching every time he reads the Facebook story?
[01:13:17]  He does show up on this episode.
[01:13:18]  Of course he does.
[01:13:19]  I'm going to lay out for you total smoking gun their internal emails.
[01:13:27]  Which their own people leaked, but are now going to bite them in the ass royal.
[01:13:31]  Where they said, this man has done nothing like Pontius Pilate said.
[01:13:35]  I'm not comparing myself to Christ, but it's the same deal.
[01:13:37]  They said, we don't like him, we're liberals, but he's not done anything they say he's done.
[01:13:43]  And they said, you will crucify him.
[01:13:48]  And they washed their hands.
[01:13:50]  It's all right here.
[01:13:53]  This is incredible.
[01:13:56]  So, he compared himself to Jesus twice.
[01:13:59]  Yeah.
[01:13:59]  He tried to stop himself, and then he does it again, which is like, oh, man.
[01:14:03]  So, he's going to lay it all out.
[01:14:05]  He's got proof that they have done him dirty, and we'll see if that's the case.

=== Into Horrible Fog (03:06) ===

[01:14:09]  I don't think it will be.
[01:14:11]  Based on the fact that I couldn't stop laughing, you're probably right.
[01:14:14]  Factually inaccurate, Alex is too fat to crucify.
[01:14:17]  Let's be honest.
[01:14:18]  Come on, man.
[01:14:18]  Let's be honest.
[01:14:19]  You don't put a nail through the neck.
[01:14:20]  Let's be honest.
[01:14:21]  So in this next clip, Alex, remember that day that he broke the MIAC report and he told everyone to stop traffic?
[01:14:28]  Yeah.
[01:14:28]  Because he said that it was the most important thing that he's ever covered.
[01:14:31]  Yeah.
[01:14:31]  Well, I have bad news.
[01:14:32]  Are we stopping traffic again?
[01:14:33]  He's not calling for people to stop traffic, but he should be because this is officially the most important thing Alex has ever covered.
[01:14:40]  Now, I've been on the air 24 and a half years.
[01:14:44]  I'm about to lay out for you, ladies and gentlemen, information that is hands down the most important information I've ever covered.
[01:15:02]  You ever been driving through the fogs in the mountains?
[01:15:06]  And you come around a turn, the fog's gone, and you see the sun rising, and you can see 50 miles, and it's just incredibly clear.
[01:15:13]  And you can look down in the valleys, and you can see the stars still out, even though the sun's coming up.
[01:15:21]  You ever have one of those magic moments?
[01:15:23]  This is the opposite of that.
[01:15:30]  You have one of those times where you couldn't see shit?
[01:15:35]  I was blown away by that turn.
[01:15:38]  I did not expect that.
[01:15:40]  I really thought he was going to say, this is exactly what I'm experiencing now.
[01:15:43]  I see everything.
[01:15:45]  The fog is lifted.
[01:15:46]  I see the globalist plans.
[01:15:47]  The whole thing is laid out in front of me.
[01:15:49]  Instead, it's actually me driving from that beautiful moment into horrifying fog at the top of a mountain where I'm going to fall.
[01:15:57]  I don't know shit.
[01:15:57]  I don't know where I'm going.
[01:15:58]  I can't see anything.
[01:15:59]  Can't see the ground.
[01:16:00]  Can't see the road.
[01:16:01]  Nope.
[01:16:02]  Not good.
[01:16:02]  That was very weird.
[01:16:04]  I really enjoyed that, though.
[01:16:05]  When I was listening to that, I was like, that was a ride.
[01:16:10]  You're sitting there, you're like, I was kind of enjoying the visual metaphor he's making.
[01:16:15]  It was coherent and relatable.
[01:16:17]  Yeah, I've been in that experience before.
[01:16:19]  For sure.
[01:16:19]  You see the fog break, and you see a beautiful landscape in front of you.
[01:16:24]  Absolutely.
[01:16:24]  When you can see the stars and the sun at the same time, and you're like, how is this possible?
[01:16:28]  I was along for the ride, and then just...
[01:16:31]  Neck-breaking twist.
[01:16:32]  Yeah, especially how it starts with, like, this is the most important...
[01:16:38]  Yaga's ever been driving in a bunch of fog?
[01:16:42]  This is nothing like that.
[01:16:44]  So Alex has two new pieces that he's trying to add to the ban narrative.
[01:16:49]  The first is that MasterCard...
[01:16:52]  Is now going to make sure if you give any money to people they don't like, they're going to erase your account.

=== Human Rights Committees Oversight (03:05) ===

[01:17:01]  Now they're deploying what the Associated Press is calling today human rights committees into every major corporation like MasterCard, like a bioethics board that decides who lives, who dies.
[01:17:13]  To where they're going to surveil with AI your purchases on MasterCard, and if they don't like what you're buying, they'll turn customers' cards off now.
[01:17:24]  It's not take MasterCard away from Alex Jones, or take it away from Laura Loomer.
[01:17:30]  That's already happening.
[01:17:31]  It's take MasterCard from you.
[01:17:36]  You're like, well, I'll go to something else.
[01:17:38]  No, they're buying it all up.
[01:17:39]  It's here.
[01:17:40]  Mark of the Beast, folks.
[01:17:41]  Whether you believe in God or not, it's happening.
[01:17:45]  And these people are reading Revelation, the last book of the New Testament, and they've decided that it's an owner's manual, that it's an operations guide, that it's a blueprint for something they're building.
[01:17:55]  And they're doing it.
[01:17:56]  They're manifesting it.
[01:17:58]  They're building the system.
[01:17:59]  And the churches won't say a word because they like all their digital stuff.
[01:18:03]  They like being on Facebook.
[01:18:05]  See how the Antichrist works?
[01:18:07]  That's insane.
[01:18:09]  In a vacuum?
[01:18:10]  That's insanity.
[01:18:11]  I love the mental image of somebody, like there's a room in MasterCard where they're all sitting around with the Book of Revelations going like, alright, so we got the first seal open.
[01:18:21]  That was good.
[01:18:22]  Right.
[01:18:23]  How are we going to get the second one open?
[01:18:24]  We got to do it cheap, too.
[01:18:26]  We really overspent on the first one.
[01:18:28]  We are over budget on the Revelation.
[01:18:33]  All right, so who has wings?
[01:18:35]  Can you find anybody with wings?
[01:18:36]  I know a guy.
[01:18:37]  You know a guy?
[01:18:38]  Oh, shit, no, he flew too close.
[01:18:40]  No, shit!
[01:18:42]  The story, as I understand it, is that MasterCard is putting these, or they're at least having conversations about these human rights commissions as part of their board.
[01:18:55]  It wouldn't turn off your account or anything.
[01:18:58]  It would be reject transactions to places that were like ISIS.
[01:19:03]  I mean, not ISIS specifically, but you know what I mean.
[01:19:06]  If you're going to donate to the Proud Boys, they would just cancel that transaction.
[01:19:11]  You can't use our service to give them money.
[01:19:14]  Yeah, that works.
[01:19:15]  Right.
[01:19:15]  That's not the same thing as you give money to the Proud Boys and then your account is gone.
[01:19:22]  Yeah, that's really going to limit...
[01:19:24]  Putin's ability to buy any unrefined plutonium because...
[01:19:29]  You think he uses MasterCard?
[01:19:30]  He uses MasterCard.
[01:19:31]  No.
[01:19:31]  Haven't you seen those commercials?
[01:19:32]  American Express.
[01:19:33]  He did have an American Express commercial in the 90s.
[01:19:36]  He was with Trump at the time.
[01:19:38]  I've started learning Russian, but I don't know how to say what's in your wallet.
[01:19:44]  At this point, I only know that woman is Zhenshina.
[01:19:48]  Oh, that's not...

=== WhatsApp Ban Conspiracy (15:28) ===

[01:19:49]  That's pretty.
[01:19:50]  Thanks.
[01:19:50]  I like it.
[01:19:52]  It's a slow process.
[01:19:57]  Oh, I also know Apple.
[01:19:59]  Yeah.
[01:20:00]  It's a fun word.
[01:20:01]  That's too many syllables.
[01:20:03]  No, it's not.
[01:20:03]  It's great.
[01:20:04]  So that's his first one, is the MasterCard is going to take away all your money if you're a bad boy.
[01:20:11]  Of course.
[01:20:12]  Sure.
[01:20:15]  Rebel without a card, I believe is what that would be called.
[01:20:19]  And so the second one that he's putting forth is that now, if you're on this bad boy list, they're also trying to make it so you can't use phones and text people anymore.
[01:20:32]  And this is something that he's basing off a clip of Oliver Darcy being interviewed on CNN about his Alex's and all these other people's bands.
[01:20:42]  I've got bug eyes like Cookie Monster, so it's okay.
[01:20:46]  And now he says they shouldn't be able to use telephones.
[01:20:49]  That's right, text messages.
[01:20:51]  It's coming.
[01:20:53]  And banning from Facebook and Instagram, correct?
[01:20:55]  Yes, Facebook obviously owns Instagram, and so someone like Alex Jones had been banned from Facebook a while back, last year in the summer, but he was still having a presence on Instagram, and that had drawn a lot of scrutiny from people who were saying, hey, you know, you guys banned him from one of your platforms, why are you allowing him to have a presence on Instagram?
[01:21:12]  And so, yes, now Facebook is going to be banning Alex Jones and Infowars from not only their main platform, Facebook, but also from Instagram.
[01:21:20]  I checked in also to see if these people would be banned from...
[01:21:23]  WhatsApp, which is also owned by Facebook, and a spokesperson cannot say immediately because it's, I guess, unclear whether some of these people have WhatsApp accounts, according to the spokesperson.
[01:21:33]  So they own thousands of companies.
[01:21:35]  I guess they buy my water company.
[01:21:38]  We're checking to see if he's getting water from Facebook.
[01:21:40]  We turned his water off.
[01:21:42]  We own the oxygen now.
[01:21:44]  We're seeing if he got the oxygen from us.
[01:21:47]  That's absurd.
[01:21:48]  Point of order?
[01:21:49]  Would you say that that means that Alex is calling for Facebook to be regulated like a public utility?
[01:21:54]  I think he is, but only so he can get back on.
[01:21:58]  He doesn't care about that until there's a personal reason for it.
[01:22:02]  I think that there's this interesting place where there are people on both sides calling for the same thing, but from different perspectives.
[01:22:13]  And so, like, when he argues about the idea of, you know, like, we should fucking break up Facebook, stuff like that, like, yes, absolutely.
[01:22:22]  Do you know who you sound like?
[01:22:24]  Elizabeth Warren, Alex!
[01:22:26]  Yeah, it's, you know, so much comes down to, like, why do you believe this?
[01:22:32]  Is it because your hustle is being interrupted?
[01:22:35]  I don't want you as my ally on this.
[01:22:37]  Elizabeth Warren, I will take you as someone who I will side with on it.
[01:22:43]  Similar issue.
[01:22:44]  Yeah, almost everything, yeah.
[01:22:46]  Alex is trying to spin the idea that Oliver Darcy is coming here on CNN and saying that Alex needs to have his ability to have a phone taken away.
[01:22:59]  Facebook owns WhatsApp.
[01:23:00]  You don't need WhatsApp to text people.
[01:23:03]  You don't need it to call people.
[01:23:06]  It's just an application that you can use or not.
[01:23:10]  There's a hundred different ways you can text and call people.
[01:23:13]  It's absurd to think, like, I'm being kicked off WhatsApp because it's owned by the same company that's kicked me off stuff.
[01:23:19]  Right.
[01:23:19]  Now I can't text people.
[01:23:21]  Ever.
[01:23:22]  It's silly.
[01:23:23]  What do you think is going to happen with messages?
[01:23:25]  And it's clear that what Oliver Darcy is saying is, I don't know.
[01:23:30]  I asked them.
[01:23:31]  It's not clear.
[01:23:32]  They don't know.
[01:23:34]  They might not even have WhatsApp accounts, and he's mad about it.
[01:23:37]  In that interview, he's not calling for Alex to be kicked off WhatsApp, because there's a really decent chance that Alex isn't breaking the terms of WhatsApp's use.
[01:23:45]  Yeah.
[01:23:46]  It's the same reason why he was allowed to stay on Instagram for the time that he was, but was kicked off Facebook.
[01:23:52]  Right.
[01:23:53]  It was like the Instagram people were like, well, I don't know if he's broken the community guidelines here.
[01:23:58]  Well, and WhatsApp...
[01:24:00]  WhatsApp already has a bunch of regulations built into it based on the fact that it was being used to spread propaganda that got people...
[01:24:08]  Yeah, not just that, but Pakistan as well.
[01:24:12]  People have burned shit alive.
[01:24:14]  People have burned people alive because of WhatsApp.
[01:24:18]  Email threads, essentially, that get out of control.
[01:24:20]  I don't know anything about that company, I'll be honest.
[01:24:22]  I have never used it.
[01:24:24]  I've never talked to anybody who uses it.
[01:24:26]  So I am woefully out of my depth.
[01:24:29]  But yeah, I've read a couple stories along those lines.
[01:24:33]  The larger point for our show here, I think, is that Alex is just trying to increase the scope of what this is.
[01:24:40]  Because he needs it to look apocalyptic.
[01:24:43]  Because in some ways...
[01:24:45]  While I still have some faith that he's going to be able to dukes a hazard this thing and somehow...
[01:24:52]  Jump the generally over the Constitution.
[01:24:55]  Still make things work somehow.
[01:24:56]  I do think that he realizes he's in a bit of a pickle.
[01:25:00]  Because from what Facebook is saying about this ban, it seems to be more...
[01:25:08]  Grander.
[01:25:08]  Comprehensive.
[01:25:09]  Yes, that's what I was looking for.
[01:25:10]  It looks like it's going to be a bigger thing.
[01:25:13]  And the employees of InfoWars who use their accounts to disseminate his content as if it were just an InfoWars account.
[01:25:22]  Yeah.
[01:25:22]  So, I think that he's rightfully worried.
[01:25:26]  And as such, he needs to double down on the idea that this is just happening because they say he's anti-Semitic and he's not.
[01:25:34]  Bye!
[01:25:35]  And pro-Israel.
[01:25:37]  Everybody's always known that.
[01:25:38]  I've been on air 24 years, and I think that Israel's a better nation than a lot of those other nations, and there's no reason to turn it over to the Islamics.
[01:25:47]  They'll blow it up.
[01:25:48]  They'll fight over it, like they always do.
[01:25:50]  But the point is, to say that I'm anti-Semitic, it's in all the news.
[01:25:54]  It says Jones Band, Washington Post, New York Times, everywhere, for anti-Semitic posts, and he's anti-Semitic, is really sick.
[01:26:03]  It would.
[01:26:04]  It would be weird, but it's not.
[01:26:07]  It's not what's happening.
[01:26:09]  Also, you can be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic.
[01:26:12]  You certainly can.
[01:26:13]  And Alex saying that I'm pro-Israel, I always have been, is ludicrous, just based on a couple years back when he was pro-Palestinian.
[01:26:23]  It's silly.
[01:26:26]  Anyway...
[01:26:27]  The thing that he's trying to present there, and the reason that he's trying to use this idea that he's being taken down because he's anti-Semitic...
[01:26:37]  He's trying to create that as the straw man version of his band.
[01:26:41]  Of course.
[01:26:42]  The big reason is because about a month ago, he got in trouble for an anti-Semitic post.
[01:26:47]  And he's trying to conflate that situation with the present day, which are completely different things.
[01:26:53]  We also know that he got a letter or a message or a warning a week ago for a different post.
[01:26:59]  Much more recently, which is what precipitated the band.
[01:27:03]  But he wants everyone to think that this is the reality.
[01:27:07]  If you just joined us, leaked emails revealed Facebook's intense internal discussions over Alex Jones' anti-Semitic post.
[01:27:18]  That's from back in March.
[01:27:19]  Remember that?
[01:27:21]  Yep.
[01:27:21]  And then they said, well, he didn't say anything anti-Semitic.
[01:27:26]  They go, well, the comments are anti-Semitic.
[01:27:28]  We have these outside leftist publications wanting to be banned.
[01:27:32]  They're reporting we're not doing enough.
[01:27:34]  What do we do?
[01:27:36]  And, of course, we're playing a game with the media.
[01:27:38]  It's Facebook directing the thing from the top.
[01:27:40]  And we've got the internal documents.
[01:27:42]  It's all coordinated.
[01:27:42]  They go, well, if we could designate him a hate figure, we could ban him.
[01:27:45]  But there's no evidence.
[01:27:46]  They go, well, the comments.
[01:27:48]  A few anti-Semitic comments in here.
[01:27:51]  So back in March, Alex posted a piece of art on Instagram that played on a whole bunch of anti-Semitic protocols of the elders.
[01:27:59]  Zion-style tropes with the hashtag WakeUpAmerica.
[01:28:03]  The email chain that was discussed in an article on Business Insider had to do with the very clear messaging of that piece of art and the way it was being presented and posted on Alex's and Infowar's Instagram account.
[01:28:15]  And the discussion was whether or not the post itself broke their community standards.
[01:28:19]  One member of the policy team clearly pointed out, quote, this image is widely acknowledged to be anti-Semitic and is a famous image in the UK due to public controversy around it.
[01:28:29]  Because Jeremy Corbyn had commented on it and then got a lot of blow...
[01:28:32]  And he was like, I am so sorry.
[01:28:34]  I did not look closely.
[01:28:36]  That is fucked up.
[01:28:37]  I blew it.
[01:28:39]  That post was taken down.
[01:28:41]  The one from about a month ago.
[01:28:43]  But that has nothing to do with the current issue Alex is dealing with.
[01:28:46]  And we know that's the case because on the last episode from May 2nd, Alex said that Facebook gave him a warning and that it was his pushing of the immigrants bring diseases narrative that were the problem.
[01:28:56]  This has nothing to do with his very real anti-Semitism.
[01:28:59]  But that's an issue that he can muddy the waters about very easily.
[01:29:03]  The anti-Semitic issue is so much easier for him to manipulate than the very idea that I got a warning about this, my behavior, and I refused to acknowledge that I was wrong and correct my behavior.
[01:29:16]  Right.
[01:29:17]  And to some extent, even within that denial, he was also playing on anti-Muslim stereotypes.
[01:29:23]  Yep.
[01:29:24]  You bet.
[01:29:26]  And he can easily rely on yelling about Ilhan Omar and how she hates Israel, and he loves Israel, so how can he be anti-Semitic?
[01:29:33]  It's an easier game for him to play than have to point out that he intentionally lied about a news article in order to foment hatred of immigrants.
[01:29:39]  And that's what he wants to do, because it's easier, and it's...
[01:29:43]  One of the few paths that really he sees forward, I think, through this.
[01:29:48]  I mean, he could...
[01:29:49]  You can't rally people to your defense if the truth is I got a warning about a dishonest and clearly fucked up story that I was pushing.
[01:30:00]  I was trying to demonize migrant populations and intentionally misrepresented the story.
[01:30:07]  I got a really gracious...
[01:30:08]  I offered to correct what I was putting into the world, and I said, go fuck yourself, and then they kicked me off.
[01:30:14]  It's really hard to garner any kind of support from the president, from mainstream conservatives, those sorts of folks.
[01:30:23]  It's really tough.
[01:30:24]  It's much easier to say, I'm being accused of anti-Semitism, and I'm not.
[01:30:28]  They don't even give any proof of it.
[01:30:31]  It's all just because I'm a conservative and I support Trump.
[01:30:34]  It's just all demonization.
[01:30:35]  They hate my free speech.
[01:30:37]  It's so much easier to play that game.
[01:30:39]  And if Alex hadn't have accidentally slipped on this episode, he didn't know the ban was coming, so he said that he got warned about this exact same thing happening.
[01:30:48]  If he hadn't have said that, I probably would have no idea.
[01:30:51]  I would just think he was a liar.
[01:30:52]  Yeah.
[01:30:53]  Without a specific thing to hang my hat on, like, oh, this is what's going on.
[01:30:56]  Yep.
[01:31:00]  Every time there's a warning.
[01:31:02]  Every time.
[01:31:04]  Yep.
[01:31:04]  Every single fucking time that something bad happens to him, I'm certain that someone has given him the opportunity to do the right thing.
[01:31:12]  Right.
[01:31:12]  Every time there's a lawsuit, there is undoubtedly...
[01:31:17]  Some sort of a please stop.
[01:31:18]  We know in the case of the Sandy Hook case, there absolutely was a please stop that he just didn't give a shit about and ignored.
[01:31:26]  I'm certain, and we know that James Oliphantus and Hamdi Ulukaya, even though those lawsuits did progress to a certain extent, they did still give him a chance.
[01:31:37]  He has been given every opportunity to do the right thing, and he never does.
[01:31:42]  These are just the consequences of the way he does business.
[01:31:45]  Right.
[01:31:46]  It's fucking stupid.
[01:31:47]  It's why Nadler has bent over backwards to give Barr like 18 different warnings and like, for real, dude, we're going to do something.
[01:31:58]  And Barr's like, go fuck yourself.
[01:32:01]  It's the same situation.
[01:32:03]  Alex tried to call their bluff and it turns out they weren't bluffing.
[01:32:06]  Barr is trying to call Nadler's bluff right now.
[01:32:09]  And he might be bluffing.
[01:32:09]  He's probably bluffing.
[01:32:11]  But all that's bullshit because really what's going on is that there's a conspiracy against Alex.
[01:32:16]  And he's going to lay that out here in this next clip.
[01:32:20]  I don't remember exactly how it works because it's kind of convoluted, but my title for this clip does include the sentence, this is nonsense.
[01:32:29]  So be prepared for nonsense.
[01:32:30]  Okay, I believe you.
[01:32:32]  So they say if he could be designated a hate figure, we could ban him.
[01:32:38]  And then a month later, they get it all packaged, all ready, and roll out with an anti-Semitic angle in their press release but never show proof because it wasn't there.
[01:32:47]  So see, this got countermanded by mid-level managers.
[01:32:50]  A month ago.
[01:32:51]  But then it went up the flagpole and folks said, just go ahead and go with the plan.
[01:32:56]  They go, well, he never said anything that we could lie about.
[01:32:59]  Put Louis Farrakhan in there.
[01:33:02]  Put Louis Farrakhan in there.
[01:33:04]  He said stuff.
[01:33:05]  Which I believe, by the way, has a right to say.
[01:33:07]  I'm not saying banning.
[01:33:07]  Oh, boy.
[01:33:08]  So, Alex is saying that a month ago he had this brouhaha, this little dust-up with Instagram because of this very notoriously anti-Semitic painting that he posted with the caption, Wake Up America.
[01:33:21]  Yeah.
[01:33:22]  And then there were, like, a bunch of conversations about whether or not this violated the blah, blah, blah.
[01:33:27]  And the middle management was like, hey, let's not ban him.
[01:33:31]  Right.
[01:33:31]  And then...
[01:33:32]  Now they're like, fuck it, let's ban him.
[01:33:35]  Let's go for it.
[01:33:36]  Let's go with the plan.
[01:33:37]  And then in order to provide cover to make it look like they're not just attacking Trump's people, throw Louis Farrakhan in there.
[01:33:45]  I'm going to be honest.
[01:33:47]  I'm going to be honest.
[01:33:48]  I can kind of buy the throw Louis Farrakhan angle in there.
[01:33:51]  So Alex has this conspiracy nonsense about how he's been targeted and demonized and whatever.
[01:33:58]  I don't really care.
[01:33:59]  This is pretty much...
[01:34:02]  At the beginning of the May 3rd episode, he said he has this total proof of him being wronged.
[01:34:11]  Is this what he got?
[01:34:12]  That's pretty much it.
[01:34:13]  That's what he's got?
[01:34:14]  Well, I mean, there's that Business Insider article about an Instagram post from a month ago, and then he's saying he's got internal documents.
[01:34:20]  He never mentions anything specific about them.
[01:34:23]  He never produces them.
[01:34:24]  He's never posted them.
[01:34:25]  He's never quoted from them.
[01:34:27]  Yeah.
[01:34:27]  He's never said what they say.
[01:34:28]  He just says he has them, which, from my experience with Alex, means they don't exist.
[01:34:33]  Right.
[01:34:33]  So it seems shocking to me that he then sums things up.
[01:34:38]  He's summing things up?
[01:34:39]  Like this.
[01:34:40]  So when we come back, I just went through how they premeditated this.
[01:34:44]  What?
[01:34:44]  How it's the smoking gun, that it's political.
[01:34:46]  What is?
[01:34:46]  That it wasn't done because I'm an anti-Semite.
[01:34:49]  And again, once you say ban the anti-Semites, then it's everybody.
[01:34:51]  First, they came for the anti-Semites.
[01:34:53]  What?
[01:34:54]  And I said nothing.
[01:34:55]  Once you say ban the anti-Semites, it's everybody?
[01:34:57]  That's a weird twist on that.
[01:34:59]  That is...
[01:35:00]  Huh.
[01:35:00]  Yeah.
[01:35:01]  Huh.
[01:35:01]  Yeah.

=== Skeptical Of Old Trumpy (01:42) ===

[01:35:02]  Wait, so first they came for the Nazis, and then I said nothing, and then everything was fine, right?
[01:35:12]  Then they came for the people who wanted to enslave minorities, and I said nothing because I wasn't a minority.
[01:35:18]  No, because you weren't people enslaving minorities.
[01:35:22]  Yeah, that's good.
[01:35:23]  You lost track of it.
[01:35:26]  It's kind of silly in reverse.
[01:35:27]  Yeah.
[01:35:28]  So I feel that it's so weird.
[01:35:30]  Alex thinks he's proved something and then is expressing that.
[01:35:33]  The first thing came for the anti-Semites is basically the road he's starting to go down there.
[01:35:38]  Insane.
[01:35:38]  Which is very weird.
[01:35:39]  Insane.
[01:35:40]  So remember how I told you on the second that it's funny that Alex is super, like, whatever Trump wants to do, I trust him.
[01:35:49]  Because that's before the ban.
[01:35:50]  Yeah.
[01:35:50]  Now that the ban has happened the next day.
[01:35:53]  How we doing?
[01:35:54]  I actually can't believe they've jumped the shark like this.
[01:35:56]  I think America's going to reject this, but you know what?
[01:35:59]  Trump hasn't done anything yet, so I'm really starting to get suspect of old Trumpy.
[01:36:03]  I'm really starting to really get worried here at this point.
[01:36:07]  You are so goddamn stupid, Alec.
[01:36:10]  So fucking stupid.
[01:36:11]  If you were someone like Trump.
[01:36:14]  Why would you ever trust Alex?
[01:36:16]  Ever.
[01:36:16]  Like, he's shown himself to be completely unreliable.
[01:36:20]  And if you're somebody like Alex, why would you ever trust Trump?
[01:36:22]  Well, that's desperation.
[01:36:24]  Yeah, that's fair.
[01:36:25]  That's fair.
[01:36:25]  I think he's gotten a lot of what he wanted out of Trump in terms of shifting the public discourse towards what he wants to be more acceptable.

=== Suing Facebook: A Pitch (05:53) ===

[01:36:33]  Right.
[01:36:35]  Absolutely, I think.
[01:36:36]  I think Alex has done okay with it.
[01:36:38]  But if you are the person in power...
[01:36:41]  You gotta know this person, like, Alex is gonna turn on you.
[01:36:44]  Oh, yeah.
[01:36:45]  In the same way that Alex should know that Trump doesn't give a fuck about him.
[01:36:48]  Yeah.
[01:36:48]  Like, you gotta know that Alex is, like, if things are going good for him on May 2nd, he thinks that you should start a dictatorship.
[01:36:57]  On May 3rd, if he gets kicked off Facebook and Instagramming, you haven't...
[01:37:01]  Fucking done your dictator shit to get him back.
[01:37:04]  He's going to be suspicious of you.
[01:37:06]  That's the kind of inconsistency and self-centeredness that Alex operates in.
[01:37:12]  It's pathetic.
[01:37:13]  Yeah, that's a wide spectrum in a very short period of time.
[01:37:15]  So short.
[01:37:16]  Yeah.
[01:37:16]  But I mean, to be fair, in the intervening time, he really was just fantasizing about gardening and sweeping.
[01:37:21]  That's fair.
[01:37:22]  So, his mental state...
[01:37:23]  Maybe he should just go garden.
[01:37:25]  Yeah.
[01:37:26]  Like, just do it.
[01:37:27]  He should quit.
[01:37:27]  Pull the trigger, Alex.
[01:37:29]  He should definitely quit.
[01:37:31]  So in this next clip, what I think he's doing is...
[01:37:34]  It's almost like the audience are a group of investors.
[01:37:40]  And Alex is trying to pitch the next season of his show.
[01:37:43]  Okay.
[01:37:43]  As if it's like an Indiegogo or something like that, where it's like, here's what I want to do with the next season.
[01:37:48]  Uh-huh.
[01:37:49]  You can see what that is.
[01:37:52]  Now listen.
[01:37:53]  I am...
[01:37:54]  I've sued a few other people, PayPal and others.
[01:37:56]  We were getting some lawsuits ready.
[01:37:57]  I have to sue Facebook now.
[01:37:59]  And I have to sue some of the media.
[01:38:01]  And I already warned Business Insider and told them to retract, and they didn't.
[01:38:04]  So we are going to sue Business Insider.
[01:38:06]  And we are going to sue the writer personally.
[01:38:10]  And we're also going to sue Facebook.
[01:38:13]  We already have their internal documents submitted and they set me up.
[01:38:16]  So they're in a lot of trouble.
[01:38:17]  It's going to take a lot of money, though.
[01:38:20]  So listen, I sell high-quality products.
[01:38:23]  I mean, it's just like, hey, do you want this fucking show to be me suing all the people you don't like?
[01:38:31]  Give me a lot of money.
[01:38:33]  That's just...
[01:38:35]  I find, from a narrative standpoint, like a progression of his show, I find that to be a boring next season.
[01:38:42]  Yeah.
[01:38:43]  And I'm worried that there's going to be way too much of that.
[01:38:46]  But I also know that he's not going to launch these lawsuits.
[01:38:49]  I'm starting to think that was the pitch.
[01:38:52]  That kept us from getting a second season of Firefly.
[01:38:55]  Like, Joss Whedon went in there and he was like, alright, here's what I got.
[01:38:58]  I'm just going to sue a bunch of people that I don't like.
[01:39:02]  And Malcolm is going to be on the side there.
[01:39:04]  Right.
[01:39:05]  Nope, we'll give you a movie.
[01:39:06]  Years later.
[01:39:07]  Alright.
[01:39:08]  I got some good ideas now.
[01:39:10]  Chiwetel Ejiofor is going to be in it.
[01:39:12]  Great.
[01:39:12]  Hey!
[01:39:13]  Love it.
[01:39:14]  Fillion's got to go.
[01:39:16]  Never!
[01:39:16]  All right, fine.
[01:39:18]  We'll give you a third season of Veronica Mars.
[01:39:20]  Wait, no, I hated that season.
[01:39:23]  So in this next clip, I just kept this in largely to reinforce how willing Alex is to use his kid's Jewish heritage now because it's convenient to him, whereas before he pretended that they were not Jewish.
[01:39:36]  They say I'm a hate leader and hate Jews when my children have Jewish background.
[01:39:43]  I just cannot put up with this crap anymore.
[01:39:45]  I just can't do it.
[01:39:47]  And by the way, Zuckerberg, I'm coming to your house with helicopters, not over it, but near it.
[01:39:51]  I'm going to blow on your ass and I'm coming after you.
[01:39:53]  So you want the gloves off?
[01:39:55]  Gloves are off, you son of a bitch.
[01:39:58]  You're a Nazi.
[01:40:00]  You're just as bad as that was.
[01:40:02]  You're an adult!
[01:40:03]  So, I'm coming after you, and I'm coming after all of you scumbags.
[01:40:07]  But hey, flood me with money!
[01:40:09]  You want to make me strong?
[01:40:11]  Turn me into a giant!
[01:40:12]  So that's sad at the end.
[01:40:13]  But I want to make it totally clear that I do not care at all about his kids, Jewish or not.
[01:40:20]  Like, that means nothing to me.
[01:40:22]  I am not interested in it, except for how he uses it.
[01:40:26]  Sure seems like a prop.
[01:40:27]  But that's the only thing.
[01:40:29]  I just want to...
[01:40:30]  I want to be clear, because I think it could be, not easily, but it could be misconstrued that I think it matters in some way because we're talking about it, and I do not at all care.
[01:40:40]  I think they should live their lives, and I think they deserve every ounce of privacy about who they are, their identities, all that stuff that children deserve.
[01:40:49]  I am only interested in the way Alex uses...
[01:40:53]  I don't know.
[01:41:01]  I don't know.
[01:41:13]  mental breakdown.
[01:41:14]  I do not believe that from the evidence that I can see that That she is having a sincere mental breakdown.
[01:41:23]  If I'm misreading that, I empathize with what she's going through and I apologize for making fun of it.
[01:41:30]  But based on what we're about to listen to, I think she makes it a little bit too clear that she's just mad that she's not making money anymore.
[01:41:39]  Like in this first clip, I really think that she's being too overt that this is about money.
[01:41:46]  Every single time someone gets banned, it turns into a circus and everyone says, oh, oh, everyone's banned.
[01:41:51]  Oh, President Trump, help us.
[01:41:52]  Please do something, okay?
[01:41:54]  But what are they doing?
[01:41:55]  Is anyone giving me money to fund my lawsuit in which I'm suing Twitter and CARE because CARE, which is a designated Islamic terrorist organization tied to...
[01:42:04]  Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood lobbied Facebook and Twitter to ban me.

=== CARE's Terror Designation Smear (05:43) ===

[01:42:08]  Like, do people not understand that those of us who have been silenced have actually taken legal action?
[01:42:13]  Oh, I don't think they get it's a total war.
[01:42:14]  No, I totally agree.
[01:42:16]  People need to pony up and support you.
[01:42:17]  They need to support us.
[01:42:18]  See, but the thing is, these lawsuits aren't real.
[01:42:21]  They know that they're not going anywhere.
[01:42:23]  So, like, they can do these sort of performative aspects of hiring sort of shifty lawyers in order to make it look like they're going for it, but they know that they don't.
[01:42:33]  I don't have anywhere to go.
[01:42:34]  This is a hustle in and of itself.
[01:42:36]  The lawsuit hustle is something where it's like, hey, give me a ton of money and I will pretend to fight the people you don't like.
[01:42:43]  Yeah, I was going to say, okay.
[01:42:44]  That's the new scam that they're all running.
[01:42:47]  If I get $100,000, I can pay my lawyer $5,000 to write a brief.
[01:42:53]  And that'll take a while to be dismissed.
[01:42:55]  And in that intervening time period, you'll continue to give me money.
[01:42:59]  Most likely.
[01:42:59]  And then I won't have to worry about the lawsuit because it was cheap.
[01:43:03]  And in the intervening time, I'll continue to garner attention towards whatever I do through periscopes where I handcuff myself to the door of Twitter or go to the lobby of Facebook.
[01:43:16]  Demand someone see me?
[01:43:18]  So, Laura Loomer there in that last clip says that she's suing CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations, and she says that they're designated as a terror organization.
[01:43:28]  Now, when you hear that sort of a statement, the obvious first question any right-thinking person should ask is, designated by whom?
[01:43:37]  In November 2014, CARE was designated a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates in a move that caused experts from all over the world to say, what the fuck?
[01:43:47]  UAE's former, or their foreign minister, Abdullah bin Zaid al-Nayan, admitted and explained when asked about it that, quote, our threshold is quite low when we talk about extremism.
[01:43:59]  They go ahead and just designate just about anybody as a terror organization, and you know why?
[01:44:04]  Because of accusations that UAE was wrapped up in the financing of 9-11, and allegations that they were trying to open an embassy for the Taliban back in 2013.
[01:44:14]  The UAE has been incredibly gun-shy about the idea of being associated with terror groups, so that kind of informs their terror group designations.
[01:44:22]  So the rest of the world has been very opposed to the designation of CARE as a terrorist organization.
[01:44:28]  Well, I should say the rest of the world, not including Ted Cruz, who has unsuccessfully lobbied for the U.S. Designate CARE as a terror group multiple times.
[01:44:36]  The fact that Laura Loomer is intentionally misleading people about this should tell you all you need to know about her intentions.
[01:44:43]  Her saying that they've been designated as a terrorist organization without pointing out that it was in 2014 by the United Arab Emirates and the context surrounding that means that she doesn't give a fuck.
[01:44:53]  She just wants the appearance there.
[01:44:55]  Yeah.
[01:44:55]  Now, it's been said that CARE has an association with Hamas, but it's important to know the details there, lest Laura Loomer be allowed to run a propaganda game on you.
[01:45:06]  CARE co-founder Nahid Awad voiced support for Hamas in 1994, which predates Hamas's designation as a group associated with terrorism in 1995.
[01:45:18]  After that point, CARE has condemned Hamas pretty consistently, with Awad saying in 2006, quote, I don't support Hamas today.
[01:45:28]  We condemn suicide bombings.
[01:45:30]  See, where are the Muslim voices speaking out against?
[01:45:34]  Terrorist.
[01:45:35]  You're not listening.
[01:45:36]  Where are they?
[01:45:36]  Not listening.
[01:45:37]  I don't hear any of those voices coming out.
[01:45:40]  Right, so she's using a smear, or not even a smear, I guess it's accurate to say that the co-founder supported Hamas, or voice support, in 1994, but pretty consistently the organization has not.
[01:45:52]  She's using information that may be factually true to be misleading.
[01:45:56]  It's completely misleading.
[01:45:56]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:45:57]  As for the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, as best as I can tell, that's just a catch-all conservative attack.
[01:46:02]  Whenever there's someone a right-wing propagandist doesn't like who's at least vaguely Middle Eastern, they generally say that they're associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.
[01:46:09]  I've seen this play out over and over again with Alex, and I can't find any credible sources that link care in the Muslim Brotherhood, so I just got to assume that Loomer's soft bullshit is more of the same.
[01:46:20]  Yeah, you can always...
[01:46:21]  They always throw the Muslim Brotherhood in there.
[01:46:23]  Trump is moving to get them at it.
[01:46:26]  Always.
[01:46:28]  So the lack of any real credible source of a connection with that, the idea that the connection with Hamas is so deep in the past and something that's very understandable and not...
[01:46:39]  Something you could really introduce into court to make them look like a terrorist organization.
[01:46:44]  The fact that you would have to sue them in the United States and they're not recognized as a terrorist organization in the United States.
[01:46:51]  The fact that she knows that that's only in UAE that they're designated that way.
[01:46:57]  She knows that that lawsuit is useless.
[01:47:00]  Your Honor.
[01:47:01]  The UAE has designated CARE as a terrorist organization, and I would like...
[01:47:06]  Why did you just say...
[01:47:08]  So would you like our legal system to use the UAE's legal definitions, then?
[01:47:13]  Okay.
[01:47:13]  What about sovereignty?
[01:47:14]  All right.
[01:47:15]  Now, you're using a lot of words.
[01:47:18]  Sure.
[01:47:18]  And I get where they're coming from.
[01:47:20]  But, come on!
[01:47:22]  Just this once?
[01:47:23]  So, you have to understand that when I see her having a tough time...
[01:47:29]  And I'm not building this up too much, but she does end up freaking out.
[01:47:33]  Okay.
[01:47:33]  A little bit on air.
[01:47:34]  All right.
[01:47:35]  When I hear in the same interview that this is like, I need people to fund my lawsuit, send me money, because I'm suing CARE, who's a terrorist-designated organization, she knows damn well that lawsuit's never going to work out.

=== Uncomfortable Betrayal (12:19) ===

[01:47:49]  Ever.
[01:47:49]  It's a lawsuit scam.
[01:47:52]  It's a lawsuit hustle.
[01:47:54]  And I want to make this abundantly clear.
[01:47:56]  She just continues to go on and talk about how everyone needs to give her money.
[01:47:59]  I want people to actually do something.
[01:48:02]  Okay?
[01:48:02]  We need your money.
[01:48:03]  We need your support.
[01:48:04]  Help fund my lawsuit.
[01:48:06]  Give me some money to fund my lawsuit so I can take these people and defeat them in court.
[01:48:10]  Okay?
[01:48:10]  Where were all the conservatives the other night when I projected your name and Infowars and everybody who has been banned onto the home of Jack Dorsey?
[01:48:17]  Not a single conservative tweeted my video.
[01:48:20]  Seems right.
[01:48:21]  I assume they don't want to be involved with your gross publicity stunts, like when she went and hung out in Nancy Pelosi's front yard.
[01:48:29]  All this stuff is like, she doesn't understand that maybe some of the people not supporting her is, I mean, part of it's substance and part of it's style.
[01:48:40]  It's a little bit of both.
[01:48:42]  Her argument is bad, but the way she's making it is also something that you don't want to be involved with the girl who She handcuffed herself to one door instead of two at Twitter, and then the cops told her, like, eh, you can stay, you know, if you want us to come unlock you, we'll come, you know, whatever, just give us a call.
[01:49:01]  And then she just stood there and was like, oh.
[01:49:04]  And, like, all the employees could still get in and out of the door.
[01:49:07]  No, is that real?
[01:49:08]  Because she only handcuffed herself to one door.
[01:49:10]  Oh, Luber.
[01:49:11]  It was an embarrassing thing.
[01:49:13]  You are so stupid.
[01:49:14]  When she says that no one was retweeting her stuff, it's like, maybe it's because it's not impactful.
[01:49:19]  Maybe you just suck, Laura.
[01:49:21]  Maybe you just suck and you're irrelevant and no one cares anymore.
[01:49:24]  Maybe that's really it.
[01:49:26]  Even your fan base doesn't like you anymore.
[01:49:29]  I mean, the hustle was fizzling.
[01:49:31]  And she's not very good at this.
[01:49:33]  She can't give up on the hustle.
[01:49:35]  I get it.
[01:49:35]  And the hustle was still pretty profitable to a certain extent along the way.
[01:49:40]  But now, without the ability to use Periscope and Instagram, it's tough for her.
[01:49:48]  I don't think it's going to work.
[01:49:51]  So, in this next clip, she complains that everyone has ruined her life.
[01:49:55]  Oh, okay.
[01:49:56]  And I'd like to remind you that she is a conservative and part of the party of personal responsibility.
[01:50:02]  This is why I'm so furious.
[01:50:04]  Why are people, and I hate to make it all about myself, but I have been defamed, okay?
[01:50:09]  My life has been destroyed.
[01:50:11]  My life has been ruined, Alex, by people who have defamed me online.
[01:50:15]  I am 25 years old, and it will probably be like this for the rest of my life.
[01:50:19]  I confronted Oliver Darcy.
[01:50:21]  Do you remember when I chased him at CPAC down the hallway?
[01:50:24]  And I said, Oliver, why are you working with Twitter and Facebook to ban people like Alex Jones?
[01:50:29]  How much are you getting paid to ban conservatives?
[01:50:31]  And then what happened?
[01:50:32]  Matt Schlapp.
[01:50:33]  Okay, he had me banned from CPAC.
[01:50:36]  But that's not like...
[01:50:37]  I think that you might have answered your own question.
[01:50:39]  You might have gotten kicked out of CPAC because you chased a guy.
[01:50:42]  So...
[01:50:43]  Like, regardless of it being Oliver Darcy...
[01:50:46]  Straight-faced.
[01:50:46]  Straight-faced, she said, I chased a guy down a hallway, and then for some reason they kicked me out of CPAC.
[01:50:53]  I chased someone and then confronted them angrily about something, and then my behavior was deemed unacceptable for a conference.
[01:51:01]  Yeah.
[01:51:02]  I don't, like, I think that we've gone down such a strange world with, like, in terms of, and road, in terms of what's acceptable, that, like, that becomes, like, huh, I wonder, is that not okay?
[01:51:15]  Yeah, it's CPAC?
[01:51:16]  It kind of seems like that might be, I don't know, a gray area?
[01:51:21]  Do you think they had a conversation about whether to ban you?
[01:51:24]  But it shouldn't be.
[01:51:25]  The idea of chasing someone and accosting them and then being kicked out, I was like, wow, that's the natural progression of things.
[01:51:31]  All right, so I punched Oliver Darcy because he did something that I don't like, and then all of a sudden I'm banned from CPAC?
[01:51:38]  That's bullshit.
[01:51:39]  Well, and I mean, when you look at it, she's yelling at Alex about how everyone's ruined her life.
[01:51:47]  Instead, I mean, like...
[01:51:48]  From an external perspective, I do think that some people have been real shitty to her online.
[01:51:54]  I definitely believe that.
[01:51:56]  Of course.
[01:51:56]  I believe that she's a woman online.
[01:51:58]  Yeah, and I don't think she deserves any sort of treatment.
[01:52:02]  I don't think anyone deserves...
[01:52:04]  Targeted harassment of any kind.
[01:52:06]  I do believe that she's probably been the recipient of some of it.
[01:52:09]  In the same way that Leanne McAdoo and Alex have been the target of spurious rumors, I would argue that a large portion of the attacks that she get probably come from her own side.
[01:52:23]  But some from the left, too, and I think that's inappropriate.
[01:52:27]  But larger, and much more importantly, the ruined life portion of it, Comes from her work.
[01:52:35]  Whoa!
[01:52:36]  How dare you?
[01:52:37]  It's the consequences of agitating against, like, it disenfranchised communities for a long time in dishonest, duplicitous, malicious, scammy ways.
[01:52:48]  This is the end result of a hustle gone bad.
[01:52:51]  Her body of work speaks for itself, and the words that it's speaking for itself are, we did a great job, guys.
[01:52:59]  Let's keep on doing it.
[01:53:00]  I don't know why our lives are ruined.
[01:53:02]  Have you ever seen your own videos, Laura?
[01:53:05]  They're terrible.
[01:53:07]  There was a time when the con man could come to a town, do a con, and then disappear, and cut their hair, or if it's a guy, he can grow a mustache, change your name, no one knows.
[01:53:20]  Now in the days of the media, as it is, and social media, you can't.
[01:53:27]  You are screwed.
[01:53:28]  In a lot of ways.
[01:53:29]  And I do feel bad for Laura because she is 25. And I believe if we go back to the first time we ever talked about her on the podcast, one of the things...
[01:53:38]  I remember you saying specifically she's ruined her life.
[01:53:41]  I said I feel really bad for her and I don't want to make fun of her because she's really young.
[01:53:46]  She doesn't know the end result of what she's doing.
[01:53:50]  And I think I also said that I don't think she's very good at this.
[01:53:53]  I think you nailed it.
[01:53:55]  And I still empathize with her because she...
[01:53:58]  She does have a long life ahead of her.
[01:53:59]  And it's got to suck to have your cons blow up like this.
[01:54:05]  It's got to be terrible, and I empathize entirely.
[01:54:09]  But I would be more empathetic if she took some ownership of how what she has done has caused the situation that she's in.
[01:54:19]  Everybody else's fault.
[01:54:20]  It really feels like she's blaming everybody else for the situation that she's in.
[01:54:25]  And it makes it a lot harder for me to feel bad.
[01:54:28]  Yeah.
[01:54:28]  In the same way that all of this focus on why isn't anyone giving me money for my law?
[01:54:33]  Why didn't anybody retweet when I was over at Jack's house?
[01:54:36]  It makes it hard for me to think this is in any way an actual breakdown of mental health as it is.
[01:54:43]  I'm at the end of this rope.
[01:54:45]  Yeah.
[01:54:45]  The end of the scam, and the comedown isn't good.
[01:54:50]  It was really fun for a bit, and now it's the next morning.
[01:54:54]  I haven't slept.
[01:54:55]  And I'm like, fuck, my bones hurt.
[01:54:57]  And she's not famous or male enough to have a redemption tour in two years.
[01:55:02]  It's over for her.
[01:55:03]  And Katie McHugh is already the focus of one of those redemption stories recently.
[01:55:08]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:55:09]  We're going to be too bored with the redemption story by the time she would have her chance.
[01:55:13]  So in this next clip, Laura Loomer gets just even further down complaining about how everyone else has ruined her life.
[01:55:21]  It's mocked me and called me crazy, but what are they doing?
[01:55:23]  I want to know what people are actually going to do.
[01:55:26]  My life is ruined.
[01:55:29]  Does anybody understand how ruined my life is?
[01:55:33]  I'm sick of it.
[01:55:35]  I don't want to listen to people tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist.
[01:55:39]  They don't know what it's like.
[01:55:40]  No, I understand.
[01:55:42]  I just think you need to go with it.
[01:55:45]  And, you know, I just understand.
[01:55:47]  Go with it away.
[01:55:48]  Go away with it.
[01:55:49]  These are wars.
[01:55:49]  These are hard.
[01:55:50]  Go away with it.
[01:55:51]  I know your frustration, Lori.
[01:55:52]  You wouldn't feel bad if more men...
[01:55:54]  We're standing up.
[01:55:55]  You know, Drudge Report promotes what you're doing.
[01:55:57]  Others do.
[01:55:57]  The president actually did tweet about you, and I don't know if you knew this, about you and Watson being banned.
[01:56:06]  I mean, I agree.
[01:56:08]  Tweeting isn't enough, but at least the president is concerned about it.
[01:56:11]  So it's uncomfortable.
[01:56:13]  I saw it in your face, and I felt it when I listened to this.
[01:56:16]  It's uncomfortable to listen to someone behave this way.
[01:56:20]  The two things that I think are worth it and why this is uncomfortable, and I know it is, and I'm sure people listening are experiencing it as uncomfortable.
[01:56:31]  The reason that I think it's important to still listen to this and still discuss it are two things.
[01:56:36]  One, What you're hearing is the scam fizzling out.
[01:56:40]  When someone is at the end of their rope, what they do is yell about how the people within the movement and everybody else isn't supporting them and they need to send them money instead of being like, well, I had a good run.
[01:56:52]  I guess I'm going to lay low for a year and then come back as Lauren Lumiere or something like that.
[01:57:00]  It's the bitterness and the anger of Recognizing without accepting that you are at the end of the con.
[01:57:07]  And I think there's something interesting there.
[01:57:09]  And then secondarily...
[01:57:11]  It's super interesting to see how little Alex gives a shit.
[01:57:14]  Oh, he does not give a shit.
[01:57:15]  Does not care at all.
[01:57:16]  He is not dealing with her in an empathic way.
[01:57:19]  He's not recognizing that what she's expressing is on some level rejection.
[01:57:24]  Some of it is her feeling like people...
[01:57:28]  Like Alex are rejecting her.
[01:57:30]  Did you...
[01:57:31]  I guess you're not on Twitter, so you couldn't have retweeted it.
[01:57:34]  No, but there is...
[01:57:35]  What she's expressing also, or maybe mostly, is a betrayal.
[01:57:40]  Of what she thought were the people egging her on to do this.
[01:57:44]  It feels that way.
[01:57:46]  That's also something that has to be in there because part of why she did all this stuff was because of all the support she was getting.
[01:57:56]  The positive feedback.
[01:57:56]  Yeah, look at how great I'm doing.
[01:57:59]  Lori, you're one of the most intrepid young reporters out there.
[01:58:02]  You're getting the truth.
[01:58:03]  Then if you really believe that one, why are you abandoning me now?
[01:58:08]  Well, I don't know if Alex is abandoning her.
[01:58:10]  But when she's expressing these things...
[01:58:13]  I mean, that's her feelings.
[01:58:14]  Right.
[01:58:14]  When she comes to Alex with this, Alex says, you can hear a complete lack of care.
[01:58:20]  You gotta go with it.
[01:58:22]  You gotta go with it.
[01:58:22]  I don't know if you heard, but the president tweeted.
[01:58:25]  Trump tweeted?
[01:58:26]  How do you feel about that?
[01:58:27]  And I like, or I don't like, but I find it interesting that it is in such harsh contrast with the day before when Leanne was on and being like...
[01:58:35]  Alex, you've built up this thing.
[01:58:36]  You can take care of yourself.
[01:58:38]  Yeah.
[01:58:38]  This sincerely empathic response to Alex's bullshit is so mirrored by Alex's lack of empathy towards Laura, who needs him to have some kind of, like, we're going to get through this, or like, you know, hey, I know it feels dark.
[01:58:55]  And he's giving a little bit of that, like, it's a war.
[01:58:57]  But even that is suck it up.
[01:59:00]  Go away.
[01:59:00]  Not go away, but suck it up.
[01:59:02]  Time to sack, yeah.
[01:59:05]  Alex brings up that the president has tweeted about you and you should feel great about that.
[01:59:09]  Should you?
[01:59:10]  Laura does not give a shit.
[01:59:12]  Tweeting isn't enough, but at least the president is concerned about it.
[01:59:17]  Okay, he's concerned about it, but that's not going to stop the fact that I've lost 90% of my income.
[01:59:22]  That's not going to stop the fact that I literally can't make a living anymore even though I have a degree.
[01:59:28]  I was valedictorian in college.
[01:59:30]  I graduated top of my...
[01:59:33]  No, I get it.
[01:59:35]  You've been in the trenches six years and delivered nothing but the goods.
[01:59:39]  And then now you're wondering, as a soldier in this fight, why nobody even will give you a can of beans.

=== Fighting Harder Than Most (13:18) ===

[01:59:46]  Nobody.
[01:59:46]  And I'm sick of it.
[01:59:47]  I'm fighting harder than most conservatives.
[01:59:50]  I'm fighting harder than anybody.
[01:59:51]  And I'm being destroyed.
[01:59:52]  And they mock me and they say I'm some crazy conspiracy.
[01:59:56]  Well, that's what happens, Lord of Leaders.
[02:00:00]  I hear you.
[02:00:01]  Cut her.
[02:00:01]  That almost sounds like he cut her...
[02:00:05]  Audio off so he could finish saying that.
[02:00:08]  I don't know.
[02:00:09]  Yeesh.
[02:00:10]  What she's embodying there is that, what you were talking about.
[02:00:15]  No one cares that I can't make money anymore and I've tarnished my reputation.
[02:00:21]  I have a degree.
[02:00:22]  I deserve.
[02:00:24]  Your work has not...
[02:00:27]  Your own principles are being very, very contradicted by your...
[02:00:34]  What you feel you're entitled to and especially when like these these folks and info wars entire thing is like hey I know all you scientists have degrees, but you're wrong about global warming.
[02:00:46]  I asked my friend Lord Moncton.
[02:00:48]  Yeah, so He's a lord.
[02:00:50]  Right.
[02:00:50]  I know you have degrees.
[02:00:51]  She has a degree.
[02:00:53]  Of course she deserves a job.
[02:00:54]  Well, let's talk about her degree.
[02:00:55]  She might get a job at the Atlantic.
[02:00:57]  That's still available.
[02:00:58]  Laura Loomer graduated from Barry University.
[02:01:01]  If you check Barry University's website, you'll find that they don't offer a journalism program.
[02:01:05]  She could have received a degree in advertising.
[02:01:08]  In broadcast and emerging media, in communication and media studies, or in public relations.
[02:01:14]  Is that Barry Manilow's university?
[02:01:17]  No.
[02:01:17]  But the best she could have received in terms of an actual journalism education is to have a minor in journalism, which Barry does offer.
[02:01:25]  But they don't offer a major.
[02:01:29]  even used in Barry University's page of available undergraduate majors is in the descriptions of how their philosophy, English, and communications programs are kind of related to journalism.
[02:01:39]  Gotcha.
[02:01:40]  She apparently might have also attended Mount Holyoke College at some point.
[02:01:45]  I'm not sure.
[02:01:46]  I've seen that on a couple websites, but I don't know if that's 100% true.
[02:01:50]  But that School does have a journalism program, but it's a journalism program that they run as an independent study program that students can enter with a faculty sponsor.
[02:02:00]  But even if she did go to that school, which I'm not entirely sure she did or not, she didn't graduate from there.
[02:02:05]  Ergo, she doesn't have a journalism degree.
[02:02:07]  She wasn't in a journalism program for her to be at the top of her class in that she graduated from.
[02:02:13]  Also, when Laura was in college, she was already working with Project Veritas, which anyone who studied journalism probably would be adverse to doing.
[02:02:21]  While at Berry, she attempted a stunt where she tried to trick the school into starting a, quote, humanitarian pro-ISIS group, where she went around and talked to, you know, professors at the school.
[02:02:33]  God, she is so exhausting.
[02:02:34]  She's just exhausting.
[02:02:36]  Just like, ugh.
[02:02:37]  And because of that stunt, she was suspended from the school, and one of the professors who she filmed without permission filed a criminal complaint against her.
[02:02:44]  If she'd ever taken any real journalism classes, that whole dust-up probably could have been avoided.
[02:02:49]  But she didn't.
[02:02:50]  And she didn't avoid it.
[02:02:52]  I wonder why she's not getting offers of other journalism jobs.
[02:02:56]  Right, like at some legitimate outlet.
[02:02:58]  Instead, writing a blog and scamming on Periscope.
[02:03:03]  Sure seems like she has the track record of a crack journalist.
[02:03:07]  But you understand, my entire conviction is the immediacy is so important to these people.
[02:03:14]  In the same way that after...
[02:03:18]  Tragic events around the world.
[02:03:19]  It's so important for places like Infowars and these outlets to get their spin out fast.
[02:03:27]  Because while the concrete is still drying, they're able to put their initials in.
[02:03:32]  But once it dries, there's nothing they can do.
[02:03:35]  It's the same thing with the scams of so many of these people.
[02:03:39]  The immediacy is important.
[02:03:41]  Laura Loomer doesn't have Infowars.com, this sort of already established place where they can publish news.
[02:03:48]  So her version of immediacy is these live streams and things like that that she could do.
[02:03:54]  That being taken away is devastating to her being able to run this hustle.
[02:04:02]  That's all that's here, is a recognition that without these tools, I can't distract people.
[02:04:10]  I can't trick them the way that I could.
[02:04:12]  And, uh-oh, as the sun sets on that scam, I recognize that...
[02:04:18]  No one is ever going to hire me.
[02:04:20]  Right.
[02:04:20]  Because of this fucking career that I've had.
[02:04:23]  My bullshit is weak.
[02:04:25]  And no one...
[02:04:26]  You said The Atlantic.
[02:04:28]  Like, just imagine her going in for a fucking interview to...
[02:04:31]  And they let Friedersdorf talk.
[02:04:33]  Well, still.
[02:04:35]  Still.
[02:04:37]  God, I hate Friedersdorf so much.
[02:04:39]  Still, as much as you hate him, doesn't have as assailable a career as Laura Loomer does at this point.
[02:04:48]  And he...
[02:04:48]  Look, gonna give it to him.
[02:04:50]  Man can write a sentence.
[02:04:51]  I don't know if Laura can...
[02:04:52]  The other thing with Laura, though, is she's so forgettable.
[02:04:55]  In the way that you just tell that, like...
[02:05:00]  Trying to get a pro-immigration ISIS or whatever it is.
[02:05:05]  That's just exhausting and forgettable.
[02:05:07]  If in the moment people can get riled up about it, but in two days you've completely forgotten what was going on.
[02:05:14]  So if she's not constantly in your face, she's gone immediately.
[02:05:18]  That's the other piece of the requirement of these tools.
[02:05:23]  Always reminding you to pay attention to her.
[02:05:25]  And so, like, the line is that I empathize with the pain that she's feeling.
[02:05:29]  I absolutely do, but I don't empathize with the consequences of your career catching up with you.
[02:05:36]  Yeah.
[02:05:36]  So, like, the freak-out that you're seeing is there's a part of it that's kind of real, and that part is something that I don't want to belittle, and I don't want to mock.
[02:05:49]  But so much of it is just, I don't have a money stream anymore because my scam is ruined.
[02:05:55]  I freaked out whenever I got fired, and that's essentially what she's going through.
[02:05:58]  You know, she's basically being fired from her position as scam artist.
[02:06:03]  Yeah, it's a little different.
[02:06:05]  It's a little different.
[02:06:06]  I mean, as a functional concept.
[02:06:09]  It's a little different.
[02:06:10]  I get why it's different.
[02:06:12]  You're not meeting me halfway.
[02:06:14]  I'm not.
[02:06:15]  No.
[02:06:15]  So, in this next clip...
[02:06:18]  Laura says something fairly extreme and then something else fairly extreme.
[02:06:23]  I'm pissed too.
[02:06:24]  I hear what you're saying.
[02:06:26]  These people don't understand.
[02:06:27]  My life is unlivable at this point in time.
[02:06:30]  What is the point?
[02:06:32]  Don't say that, Laura.
[02:06:33]  You're a hero to a lot of people.
[02:06:37]  I am 25 years old, and I don't want to live the rest of my life.
[02:06:40]  I could potentially live 75 more years.
[02:06:43]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:06:44]  My life now, I have to worry about getting murdered by leftists and Muslims every single time I go outside.
[02:06:49]  Oh, I know.
[02:06:50]  It's disgusting.
[02:06:50]  Oh, I know.
[02:06:51]  I know.
[02:06:51]  They're so protected.
[02:06:52]  It's so sick.
[02:06:53]  It's so sick.
[02:06:54]  Really fucking hard to feel bad for anybody after that.
[02:06:57]  Yeah.
[02:06:58]  You know, as much as there is a...
[02:07:00]  Like, she's talked about how her life wouldn't be worth living without social media before, which is pretty scary.
[02:07:05]  Like, if she was my friend, I would definitely be much more like, hey, Laura, we need to talk about this.
[02:07:12]  You need to go talk to somebody.
[02:07:13]  She should learn how to garden.
[02:07:15]  Sure.
[02:07:15]  Alex should be recommending that.
[02:07:17]  Yeah.
[02:07:17]  And, you know, on a personal level, yeah.
[02:07:20]  I mean, this is a tough...
[02:07:21]  Line for me to walk in terms of what I want to make fun of and what I want to just point out.
[02:07:26]  Like, she's clearly lying.
[02:07:27]  This is all just about her scam blowing up.
[02:07:30]  And it's difficult as an external observer to really know exactly what's going on.
[02:07:35]  You know, like, I recognize that there's a decent chance that she does feel like her life's not worth living without the notoriety, celebrity, cash flow that social media offers her.
[02:07:48]  Because it's much easier than doing real work.
[02:07:51]  I recognize that there's a possibility that she does feel that way, and it is a real mental health issue.
[02:07:58]  At the same time, I also recognize that she sucks, she's terrible, she says really fucked up things, and it's equally possible that she's saying that to make people think that this is an extreme situation and they should rush to her aid.
[02:08:17]  I don't know.
[02:08:18]  I don't know.
[02:08:19]  If it's sincere, then I hope she gets help, and I would not mock someone actually struggling with things.
[02:08:26]  When you hear someone appear on Infowars and make it so much about how, like, no one's supporting me, everybody needs to give me money so I can do this bullshit lawsuit against this group that I've demonized because they're Muslims and I've decided that they're terrorists.
[02:08:42]  And then she ends with, like, I don't want to live the rest of my life because I have to worry about being killed by leftists and Muslims.
[02:08:49]  I find it hard to label it mental illness.
[02:08:54]  It doesn't sound like it.
[02:08:56]  I'm not going to say...
[02:08:57]  It's entirely possible that my bias is coming in and I'm not able to empathize with her the way that I would be if it was somebody else.
[02:09:10]  Maybe I'm far less willing to give any kind of actual...
[02:09:18]  I would say, like, time and effort into truly empathizing and trying to figure out just based on her performance, which is currently what I think it is.
[02:09:28]  I mean, it's hard to say it's not.
[02:09:31]  But, yeah, all signs point to she got off the phone and shook Piers Morgan's hand and said, we did a great job today.
[02:09:41]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:09:42]  Sure.
[02:09:43]  And if, like, you know...
[02:09:45]  If there's a mental illness aspect that drives Alex to do what he does, how much should we calculate that into our assessment of it?
[02:09:55]  I do think that it's appropriate to empathize with the struggles that people go through, even if they're monsters.
[02:10:01]  You know, you shouldn't mock somebody for human struggles, even if they're someone that you disagree with and you think does bad things.
[02:10:12]  If it's mental illness that's leading Alex and Laura Loomer to go down these roads, as they do, and they continue to do so unapologetically and don't seem to give a shit about that aspect of it, how much are we required to care?
[02:10:27]  Yeah.
[02:10:28]  I struggle with that.
[02:10:29]  Yeah.
[02:10:30]  And I think that we've done a pretty good job of not making fun of this breakdown that she's had and kind of discussing it.
[02:10:37]  Maybe we've gone too far into giving her too much credit.
[02:10:40]  Probably.
[02:10:40]  I'm not entirely sure.
[02:10:41]  But I don't think I would feel ugly.
[02:10:43]  I definitely would feel ugly if we came and were like, ha ha, look at this asshole.
[02:10:48]  Because there is something going on.
[02:10:51]  I don't know.
[02:10:52]  In her situation, that kind of freak out does not seem mentally ill so much as somewhat reasonable.
[02:11:02]  It does.
[02:11:02]  Like, coming to terms with what's actually going on.
[02:11:05]  It's probably how I would feel.
[02:11:06]  Yeah, she's just going through the stages of grief.
[02:11:08]  If I had no filter, it's probably how I would present myself if I were on InfoWars and my scam was busting.
[02:11:14]  Yeah.
[02:11:14]  Like, it kind of does...
[02:11:16]  Kind of makes sense, because, yeah, you did ruin your life.
[02:11:20]  And I would feel really pissed off about that, and I would also be pissed off at the people who aren't going down that could, in some way...
[02:11:28]  Help my scam not blow up.
[02:11:30]  Yep.
[02:11:31]  You know, it's a Hail Mary-ish thing.
[02:11:34]  It could be a Hail Mary kind of situation.
[02:11:36]  It's hard to say.
[02:11:37]  We'll see.
[02:11:38]  She was lower.
[02:11:39]  She was low level in the mafia.
[02:11:41]  She's the one who's going to go down.
[02:11:43]  You know, you're not going to take down the Sean Hannity's.
[02:11:46]  No.
[02:11:46]  But it's easy to get rid of a little, yeah.
[02:11:49]  I guess if I had to put a button on this, I would say I care, but I don't care that much.
[02:11:56]  Fair.
[02:11:57]  Thanks.
[02:11:58]  What I care more about is, again, like I'm saying, Alex is doing a really bad job of caring about someone who is a co-worker, more or less.
[02:12:07]  A contemporary.
[02:12:09]  Someone who's in the fight with him who's having a tough time.
[02:12:13]  Yeah.
[02:12:13]  And in this last play...
[02:12:15]  It's a little bit like you're at a bar with some old dude who's telling you the story about how, oh yeah, I lost my job and then my wife died and...
[02:12:25]  Uh, my daughter, she's got some health issues right now.
[02:12:27]  I got to help her with some back surgery and it's all because of the Jews.
[02:12:31]  And you're like, okay, now, all right.
[02:12:35]  Uh-oh.

=== Diminishing Returns in Super Band Dynamics (05:19) ===

[02:12:52]  Which is dismissive, but it's just also, he just does such a bad job of this.
[02:12:57]  Well, most of them are cowards.
[02:12:59]  They're just hangers-on.
[02:13:01]  We got Trump elected, and all the parasites came in.
[02:13:04]  And just remember, it's better than Hillary, but I understand.
[02:13:06]  Well, keep doing it.
[02:13:07]  Let's get you back on soon.
[02:13:09]  Let's get back on tomorrow about what you're doing next, how folks support you, and we'll track this as it unfolds.
[02:13:13]  But I know being called an anti-Semite.
[02:13:15]  My Zuckerberg and all of them is painful, and I know it hurts, and I know it's a lie, and I know you feel alone right now, but it's always darkest before the dawn, Laura.
[02:13:23]  God bless you.
[02:13:23]  Laura Loomer, folks.
[02:13:24]  FreeLoomer.com supporter.
[02:13:26]  So you heard her, like, say something, and it just was illegible.
[02:13:30]  She was trying to...
[02:13:31]  Trying to say something during that, like, Alex steamrolling through the...
[02:13:34]  We've got to go to commercial, so I'm going to say something as a boilerplate.
[02:13:38]  Yep.
[02:13:38]  Keep chin up.
[02:13:39]  Trump is elected.
[02:13:41]  They're parasites.
[02:13:42]  You're brave.
[02:13:43]  Keep doing what you're doing.
[02:13:44]  Anyways, we'll probably talk to you soon.
[02:13:46]  Probably not.
[02:13:46]  Let us know how you're doing.
[02:13:47]  We'll see.
[02:13:48]  Maybe give us a call.
[02:13:50]  Send us.
[02:13:51]  We'll read a text.
[02:13:53]  So Alex has been banned by social media.
[02:13:56]  Yeah.
[02:13:56]  And again, I say we'll see how effective this is.
[02:13:59]  Could be, could not be.
[02:14:00]  I don't know.
[02:14:01]  Let's hope.
[02:14:03]  Alex has said he's been kicked off things a lot in the past.
[02:14:07]  And in this next clip, I think he recognizes that he's cried wolf way too many times.
[02:14:13]  They hear about bands so long that when the super band comes...
[02:14:17]  The super band?
[02:14:18]  That's how you know you've said band too many times.
[02:14:20]  You have to call it a super band.
[02:14:22]  Right, right.
[02:14:23]  He's talking about his audience when he says they.
[02:14:25]  Yeah.
[02:14:26]  They hear about bands so long that when the super band comes, people already heard about the earlier bands.
[02:14:31]  They're kind of like, eh, because I would think we'd see massive financial spike in support.
[02:14:35]  We're not really seeing that right now.
[02:14:37]  Because people are kind of used, yeah, old Alex, you know, Godzilla's out there fighting Megalon.
[02:14:41]  He'll win, don't worry.
[02:14:42]  No, this Godzilla's like bleeding and like flopping around being bitten by seven-headed monsters.
[02:14:47]  I need some damn money, okay?
[02:14:49]  And by the way, one sick part of me wants this to fail and go away and give up, but my guts can't.
[02:14:53]  Quit.
[02:14:54]  So I'm just telling you, man, we need some damn money here.
[02:14:57]  And I'll sell you the best products anyways.
[02:14:58]  Get in there, buy them, and sign up for AutoShip.
[02:15:02]  Yeah.
[02:15:02]  This is sad.
[02:15:03]  Yeah.
[02:15:03]  Because Alex is also, in many ways, coming to the end of the grift.
[02:15:07]  This is still on the same episode.
[02:15:09]  This is on the third.
[02:15:09]  This is after Laura's gone.
[02:15:10]  We got Laura screaming, I need money.
[02:15:13]  Yeah.
[02:15:13]  Which probably made Alex want to get rid of her sooner.
[02:15:16]  Of course.
[02:15:17]  So he can scream, I need money.
[02:15:19]  In the same way that he's expressed that Roger was taking up too many of the donations coming in.
[02:15:23]  You've got to cut him loose.
[02:15:24]  Yep.
[02:15:25]  You don't want Laura Loomer coming on your show and just being like, I need money.
[02:15:29]  Do you understand?
[02:15:29]  90% of my income is gone.
[02:15:31]  I am a...
[02:15:35]  I deserve to be successful in journalism.
[02:15:39]  He doesn't want that coming in because that could siphon off some of the money.
[02:15:43]  He's a little pissed off about that.
[02:15:44]  And so a lot of the rest of the things that he needs to say are like, I need money.
[02:15:48]  You would think...
[02:15:50]  Whenever I tell people that we need money because we're banned from things, that you'd see a large spike in donations.
[02:15:56]  We're not seeing that.
[02:15:58]  Probably because I've said this repeatedly in the past, and mysteriously, I never disappear.
[02:16:03]  And none of the things I say are going to happen end up happening.
[02:16:06]  And there's diminishing returns, as we've talked about so much.
[02:16:10]  People get into him, then naturally leave.
[02:16:13]  Some people stay, a lot of people leave.
[02:16:16]  What's been disrupted is his inflow that replaces the outflow.
[02:16:20]  As that happens, of course the people who are sticking around can only be squeezed so much.
[02:16:25]  So if he doesn't see a massive spike, it's because the people who are there, there's less inflow coming in.
[02:16:32]  There aren't enough people to dupe.
[02:16:35]  It's just, it's the natural reality.
[02:16:38]  So if that's the effect of these bands, then I think it's good, because it will end up cutting off that flow.
[02:16:46]  And that's important.
[02:16:47]  Yeah, that'll do it.
[02:16:49]  That'll be a far more effective band than anything else.
[02:16:52]  Getting rid of the people who find him, it will be so much better.
[02:16:57]  Getting rid of the recruitment indoctrination part of the pipeline is very important.
[02:17:05]  And then also, I know enough from listening to enough of this dude, he talks all the time about the money goes away, I'll be in a garage doing this.
[02:17:14]  I know he won't.
[02:17:15]  He absolutely won't.
[02:17:16]  He'll go garden.
[02:17:18]  That part's sincere.
[02:17:19]  Yeah.
[02:17:19]  That part of, like, I have millions of dollars, I will just go have a ranch with my family.
[02:17:24]  Yeah.
[02:17:24]  Or something like that.
[02:17:25]  I could see him doing that.
[02:17:27]  The idea of, like, I'm going to continue fighting the globalists in a fucking garage.
[02:17:30]  No, you're not.
[02:17:32]  So getting rid of that, like, cash flow from new folk coming in, I think is crucially important.
[02:17:37]  And I hope that's the effect of this.
[02:17:40]  Because it does seem like Alex is hurting for money.
[02:17:44]  I just need your prayers and financial support.
[02:17:46]  Because, like, I'll grow 100 feet tall and take these guys on, but, I mean, that's literally, when you give us money and you spread the word, I get stronger, they get weaker.

=== Alex's Lawyer Reveals Secrets (03:42) ===

[02:17:54]  So, I need your will.
[02:17:56]  I need you to support me.
[02:17:58]  I need it now.
[02:18:02]  He needs it now.
[02:18:03]  Oh, boy.
[02:18:04]  He needs her money now.
[02:18:05]  That's sad.
[02:18:05]  Yeah.
[02:18:06]  So I think we've come to the end here of the clips.
[02:18:09]  I have one more clip, but I don't think it's even worth it.
[02:18:11]  Alex's lawyer is on for a large portion of the episode.
[02:18:14]  Barnes.
[02:18:15]  Yeah.
[02:18:15]  Your buddy Barnes.
[02:18:16]  How did he do?
[02:18:17]  Fuck it.
[02:18:17]  I'll go ahead and play this.
[02:18:18]  Let's hear some Barnes.
[02:18:19]  All right.
[02:18:19]  This is Barnes making a shocking admission.
[02:18:23]  I mean, I'm one of the founding people involved in supporting human events.
[02:18:27]  So Alex has a guest on who's bringing back the publication Human Events.
[02:18:32]  Oh!
[02:18:33]  I was going to be like, did he just claim to have started Evolution?
[02:18:37]  I started the world.
[02:18:38]  Alex says that when he was in high school, he read the publication Human Events.
[02:18:45]  I believe it started publishing in 1944 or something like that.
[02:18:50]  And disappeared not too long ago.
[02:18:52]  Now is being brought back by this guy who's a part of UKIP.
[02:18:55]  And apparently, somehow, Alex's lawyer is involved with the relaunching of this publication.
[02:19:01]  Weird.
[02:19:01]  It's really fucked up that his lawyer is saying that he's one of the founding people behind human events.
[02:19:05]  Here's some of the reasons why.
[02:19:06]  In 1949, the publication had a...
[02:19:09]  It seemed to at least have a very pro-Vichy French position.
[02:19:12]  I was about to say, like, it was started in 1944 with decidedly...
[02:19:18]  We should have let Hitler win views.
[02:19:20]  I don't know exactly, but I think 1949 is too late to pretend you're naive about the Vichy French.
[02:19:26]  That's a little weird.
[02:19:28]  Also, Human Events was literally supportive of apartheid in South Africa, calling it a, quote, pro-Western bulwark.
[02:19:35]  It was a fad at the time.
[02:19:37]  Everybody was doing it.
[02:19:39]  Very into apartheid.
[02:19:40]  Everybody was doing it.
[02:19:41]  Also, Human Events gives out Conservative of the Year awards.
[02:19:44]  Here are some of the winners that Alex would probably have some issues with getting some kind of an award.
[02:19:49]  Hitler!
[02:19:49]  There's a long list of that.
[02:19:51]  It only started in, like, 90-something.
[02:19:54]  Oh, okay.
[02:19:54]  But here are some of them that Alex would be pretty mad about.
[02:19:58]  2001, the recipient was George W. Bush.
[02:20:00]  Of course.
[02:20:01]  2002, John Ashcroft.
[02:20:03]  Boo!
[02:20:03]  2009, Dick Cheney.
[02:20:05]  Of course.
[02:20:05]  2011, Paul Ryan.
[02:20:07]  Boo!
[02:20:08]  2013, Daryl Issa, the guy who Isis is named after, according to Matt Drudge, when he came on Alex's show.
[02:20:16]  It's just stupid.
[02:20:17]  There's this publication.
[02:20:18]  I don't understand why his lawyer is involved with that.
[02:20:21]  It's got a side hustle.
[02:20:23]  That's very weird to me.
[02:20:24]  And also the fact that they were at least supportive of the Vichy France.
[02:20:28]  Very strange.
[02:20:29]  That's a bit late.
[02:20:30]  So we come to the end, and the thing is...
[02:20:33]  Also, good work, Barnes.
[02:20:36]  Yeah, great work.
[02:20:36]  Bring back this Human Events magazine.
[02:20:39]  I think that the important thing here is, you know, you got the ban, and everyone...
[02:20:50]  Rightfully, I think, is taking a pretty simplistic view on it with the headlines that are going around and Alex has kicked off these things.
[02:20:57]  And that's fine.
[02:21:00]  I think if people want to just have the perception that he got kicked off for things that he did...
[02:21:05]  That's pretty accurate.
[02:21:06]  Yeah.
[02:21:06]  But if you want, you know, I think it's always interesting to look at these things as they happen because Alex gives clues as to what's going on.
[02:21:14]  He accidentally reveals pretty much most of the stuff that's happening.

=== Deciding to Kick (02:20) ===

[02:21:18]  And when you look at this, it's clear that he was given a chance to not be banned and he did it because it reinforces that message of persecution and helps him.
[02:21:28]  with the same scam that Loomer's running.
[02:21:31]  With her pretending that she's going to sue Care, Alex can do the same thing with Business Insider and Facebook.
[02:21:38]  all these fake lawsuit hustles.
[02:21:40]  You bring in tons of money from people by pretending that you'll be their champion and fight their perceived enemies, when in reality you're probably just pocketing it or using it to fight the lawsuits that you're being sued.
[02:21:53]  So, I don't know.
[02:21:56]  I think it's all a load of bullshit.
[02:21:59]  I mean, that's basically where I stand.
[02:22:01]  I support Alex being kicked off whatever platforms decide to kick him off.
[02:22:07]  I stop short of calling on anybody to kick him off because I think it's the platform's choice.
[02:22:12]  And I think that history will show it's the right decision to make.
[02:22:16]  I mean, at the point that we're at with the...
[02:22:19]  The towing the line of ethnic cleansing and the outright violence he's allowing to be expressed and advocated for towards LGBTQ community folk, I do think that you have a potential of things going really badly.
[02:22:34]  I'm not saying it will, but on the chance that it does go really badly, 15, 20 years from now, it's going to be a really bad look to have not made a decision when you could.
[02:22:45]  I'm fine with him not being allowed to play any platformers anymore.
[02:22:48]  Sure.
[02:22:48]  Like, no more Super Mario.
[02:22:50]  Oh, I started playing Celeste.
[02:22:51]  See?
[02:22:51]  No, he's not allowed to.
[02:22:52]  He's been de-platformed.
[02:22:53]  Very fun playing Celeste.
[02:22:54]  If every time he played the game, the platforms fell, that would be a delight.
[02:22:58]  Yeah.
[02:22:59]  I just think you see here just people trying to do the best they can in a tough situation.
[02:23:04]  I just think you see here.
[02:23:10]  That's all it is.
[02:23:12]  That's all it is.
[02:23:13]  Alex and Laura Loomer are just trying to get by.
[02:23:16]  As far as summing it up, yeah.
[02:23:18]  Yeah, nailed it.
[02:23:19]  It really does.
[02:23:20]  Yeah.

=== Technically, We Share (01:47) ===

[02:23:22]  You're not wrong.
[02:23:24]  Yeah.
[02:23:24]  Tough times.
[02:23:25]  I mean, chickens coming home to roost is tough.
[02:23:27]  And it's nice that that sense of entitlement and a refusal to accept any responsibility for your actions is intergenerational, you know?
[02:23:36]  It's not just millennial Laura Loomer over here.
[02:23:40]  It's grown adult.
[02:23:42]  What?
[02:23:43]  A bowling ball with a...
[02:23:45]  Thick neck?
[02:23:46]  Yeah.
[02:23:47]  He's also doing the same thing.
[02:23:49]  Yeah.
[02:23:50]  So is Roger Stone.
[02:23:51]  It's all across the world.
[02:23:52]  It's an important piece of the grift.
[02:23:54]  Yep.
[02:23:55]  The grift cannot die.
[02:23:56]  It must be...
[02:23:57]  Reborn.
[02:23:58]  Right.
[02:23:58]  Yeah.
[02:23:59]  Something like that.
[02:23:59]  Anyway, we got a website, knowledgefight.com.
[02:24:02]  We do.
[02:24:03]  Are we on social media?
[02:24:05]  We are.
[02:24:05]  Have we been banned?
[02:24:06]  Nope.
[02:24:06]  Because we are explicit about our condemnation of apps.
[02:24:11]  Technically, we share InfoWars content.
[02:24:13]  However, I don't think they would want to share our content.
[02:24:16]  No, probably not.
[02:24:17]  We're also on Twitter at knowledge underscore five.
[02:24:20]  I'm at GoToBetJordan.
[02:24:22]  We're on Facebook.
[02:24:23]  That's correct.
[02:24:24]  We're also on iTunes and all sorts of other places where podcasts can be found.
[02:24:28]  Wherever they are sold.
[02:24:31]  Oh, man.
[02:24:32]  I'm looking over this.
[02:24:33]  I think Robert Barnes probably hasn't killed anybody.
[02:24:37]  I don't know.
[02:24:38]  He's a lawyer.
[02:24:39]  If he's going for human events.
[02:24:40]  I don't know.
[02:24:41]  He was stuck in those books for years, though.
[02:24:43]  Because he actually does have a degree and has passed the bar.
[02:24:46]  Are we sure that his real name is Barnes?
[02:24:49]  Sure.
[02:24:49]  Has he perhaps stolen someone else's identity?
[02:24:52]  I'm sure not positive about that.
[02:24:54]  But I'm going to go ahead and say that he's never killed anybody.
[02:24:56]  Fair.
[02:24:57]  But his client, Alex Jones, technically probably has.
[02:25:01]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[02:25:03]  Thanks for holding.
[02:25:05]  Hello, Alex.
[02:25:06]  I'm a first time caller.
[02:25:07]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:25:08]  I love your work.