Knowledge Fight - #291: Feline Contessas And Canine Capitalists
Aired: 2019-05-01
Duration: 01:54:37


=== Monster Mash Moments (06:03) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:09]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:10]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
[00:00:14]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:16]  Jordan.
[00:00:16]  Jordan.
[00:00:18]  Who's your favorite movie monster?
[00:00:20]  Favorite movie monster?
[00:00:21]  Yeah.
[00:00:22]  I don't like any of them.
[00:00:23]  You don't like any of them?
[00:00:24]  I don't like scary movies, but also those...
[00:00:26]  If you're talking about, like, the Wolfman and that shit.
[00:00:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:00:30]  Maybe classic Universal Monsters.
[00:00:32]  I didn't like any of them.
[00:00:34]  You didn't like any of them.
[00:00:35]  No, but I did like the song The Monster Mash.
[00:00:37]  Okay.
[00:00:38]  And look, man, I was...
[00:00:40]  How about...
[00:00:41]  I knew...
[00:00:42]  I want to talk about my...
[00:00:44]  I want to talk about something real quick.
[00:00:46]  Okay, and you knew my question wasn't going to get you there.
[00:00:48]  No.
[00:00:48]  I knew about all of Boris Pickett's other songs, like the Monster Swim, and the sequel to the Monster Mash, and the Climate Mash.
[00:00:57]  He did the Climate Mash?
[00:00:59]  He did, yeah.
[00:01:00]  Okay.
[00:01:01]  It's about climate change.
[00:01:02]  Oh, okay.
[00:01:03]  I was going to say, if he did that all the way back, whenever the Monster Mash was relevant.
[00:01:07]  The Monster Rap.
[00:01:08]  The Monster Rep, that was great.
[00:01:09]  I knew about these a long time ago before everyone else started making jokes about what kind of credibility am I trying to gain here?
[00:01:16]  I was going to say, you're...
[00:01:17]  I don't feel like I can talk about my love of the idea that he just kept making those songs.
[00:01:22]  I like it.
[00:01:23]  Because now it's kind of like...
[00:01:25]  Other people have pointed that out.
[00:01:26]  Yeah.
[00:01:27]  It's not a novel observation for me, and that's pretty much my relationship with monsters.
[00:01:33]  That's your only reel.
[00:01:34]  That's the tangent.
[00:01:35]  When you asked me who's your favorite classic movie monster, that's what came to my mind.
[00:01:41]  I wish I could complain about the Monster Mash and the sequels and all that shit, but I can't.
[00:01:47]  Well, there we go.
[00:01:48]  We did learn something interesting about you, though.
[00:01:52]  One time for a live show, I wrote...
[00:01:54]  It was a holiday show, and I wrote a remake of The Monster Mash about false flags, which is relevant to our show.
[00:02:02]  Yep.
[00:02:03]  How did that go?
[00:02:04]  I don't remember.
[00:02:04]  I don't remember exactly, but it was like...
[00:02:07]  It was a false flag!
[00:02:11]  Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:02:15]  And a lot about the Monster Mash.
[00:02:17]  And song parodies.
[00:02:18]  And Boris Pickett.
[00:02:19]  And Boris Pickett.
[00:02:21]  Wilson Pickett's long lost brother.
[00:02:23]  Incorrect.
[00:02:24]  Sounds right.
[00:02:24]  And I only know what you tell me about both.
[00:02:26]  That's correct.
[00:02:27]  Jordan, today we've got an interesting Wacky Wednesday episode to go over.
[00:02:30]  All right, all right.
[00:02:31]  But before we get to any of that, which will be a humdinger, as I told you twice over text.
[00:02:35]  You received two texts regarding the humdingerousness of this.
[00:02:40]  Humdinger.
[00:02:40]  I don't think that I can oversell things by saying humdinger a bunch of times.
[00:02:44]  No.
[00:02:45]  But I'm going to try.
[00:02:46]  It's going to be a humdinger.
[00:02:47]  It's going to be a humdinger.
[00:02:47]  Something else that is a humdinger is how great I feel about our very generous, wonderful audience and some people who've supported the show.
[00:02:55]  We've got to send them out some thank yous.
[00:02:57]  Absolutely.
[00:02:58]  So first of all, Corey, thank you so much.
[00:03:00]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:03]  Thank you, Corey.
[00:03:03]  Thanks, Corey.
[00:03:04]  Next, Jared, thank you so much.
[00:03:05]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:07]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:08]  Thank you, Jerry.
[00:03:09]  Thank you, Jerry.
[00:03:10]  Next, Papercraft B. Thank you so much.
[00:03:13]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:14]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:15]  Thank you, Papercraft.
[00:03:16]  Thanks, Papercraft B. What about Papercraft A?
[00:03:18]  Not getting any donations from Papercraft A. Oh, he died now.
[00:03:21]  Papercraft B, get in touch with Papercraft A. This is his son.
[00:03:24]  Oh.
[00:03:25]  He's carrying on the great Papercraft name.
[00:03:27]  In that case, we apologize for your loss.
[00:03:29]  We honor your father's service.
[00:03:31]  Next, The Postman.
[00:03:32]  Thank you so much.
[00:03:33]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:36]  Thank you so much, The Postman.
[00:03:37]  Thank you.
[00:03:37]  What about Il Postino?
[00:03:41]  Is this Karl Malone?
[00:03:42]  These are my two questions.
[00:03:43]  All right.
[00:03:44]  Oh, I was thinking it was, what's his name?
[00:03:47]  From the movie, The Postman.
[00:03:48]  Il Postino?
[00:03:49]  No, you remember.
[00:03:51]  Shit, he was also in Waterworld.
[00:03:52]  Kevin Costner.
[00:03:53]  It's Kevin Costner.
[00:03:54]  Tom Petty's also in that movie.
[00:03:55]  Tom Petty's in The Postman?
[00:03:56]  Yeah.
[00:03:57]  Oh.
[00:03:58]  Also, finally, I'd like to say thank you to not Tom Petty, although much like Papercraft A, we mourn his loss.
[00:04:06]  Finally, I'd like to say thank you to someone who donated on an elevated level.
[00:04:08]  We appreciate it very much.
[00:04:10]  So, Amanda, thank you so much.
[00:04:11]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:04:13]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:14]  Four stars.
[00:04:15]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:04:17]  Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:04:19]  Daddy Shark!
[00:04:22]  Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:04:26]  He's a loser little titty baby.
[00:04:29]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:04:31]  I renounce Jesus Christ!
[00:04:33]  Thank you so much, Amanda.
[00:04:34]  Thank you very much, Amanda.
[00:04:35]  If you're listening out there and you're thinking, I like this show, I'd like to support what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button to support the show.
[00:04:42]  We would appreciate it.
[00:04:43]  It would be kind.
[00:04:44]  Good news, bad news, Jordan.
[00:04:45]  Good news, bad news.
[00:04:46]  About our goal.
[00:04:47]  Okay.
[00:04:47]  The goal is for me to get a tattoo.
[00:04:49]  The tattoo has been hit.
[00:04:50]  We crossed that goal.
[00:04:52]  That's the good news.
[00:04:52]  Good news?
[00:04:53]  You know what the bad news is?
[00:04:54]  Every tattoo artist in the tri-state area has been randomly hit by measles.
[00:04:58]  So you've heard the bad news.
[00:04:59]  I have heard the bad news.
[00:05:00]  That is not the bad news.
[00:05:01]  Okay.
[00:05:01]  A couple people have erased their donations, and we are now below the goal.
[00:05:10]  That's exactly like how my life goes.
[00:05:13]  That seems like such a perfect microcosm.
[00:05:15]  Like, ha ha!
[00:05:17]  All right.
[00:05:19]  But I can't hold that against people.
[00:05:20]  Everyone is so great.
[00:05:21]  I'm going to get this tattoo as soon as I can, no matter what.
[00:05:24]  I meant to do it this weekend, but the design wasn't finished.
[00:05:26]  But we will get to that, and we'll start sort of trying to figure out what the next goal is.
[00:05:31]  Absolutely.
[00:05:31]  Maybe another documentary, if people are interested in that.
[00:05:35]  Could be.
[00:05:35]  Or we might brainstorm some other thing.
[00:05:38]  Maybe a live show.
[00:05:39]  Yeah.
[00:05:39]  Maybe a couple live shows.
[00:05:40]  Maybe a regional goal.
[00:05:42]  Maybe.
[00:05:42]  Yeah.
[00:05:43]  We can't do that.
[00:05:44]  I know.
[00:05:44]  Of course not.
[00:05:45]  That would be insane.
[00:05:46]  No, I mean we don't have the technology.

=== Last Call: 2019's Revelations (15:23) ===

[00:05:48]  Right!
[00:05:48]  That's what I'm saying!
[00:05:49]  Oh, okay.
[00:05:50]  So, Jordan, today we've got a Wacky Wednesday episode for you.
[00:05:55]  For you.
[00:05:56]  Not for the audience.
[00:05:57]  For you.
[00:05:58]  For me specifically.
[00:05:59]  And so what it is, is it's Project Camelot stuff.
[00:06:03]  Uh-huh.
[00:06:03]  Yeah.
[00:06:03]  But it's not on.
[00:06:05]  Really.
[00:06:05]  Okay.
[00:06:06]  You know what?
[00:06:07]  This is...
[00:06:07]  One of the things that I value the most about doing Wacky Wednesdays, you know, being able to take a break from Alex Jones.
[00:06:14]  One of the big things is...
[00:06:16]  I believe that...
[00:06:23]  What I'm about to present in front of you is a literally insane string of things I learned about.
[00:06:31]  Okay.
[00:06:31]  I mentioned last week that we couldn't have a Wacky Wednesday because of something I was working on and still sort of looking at, and that is this.
[00:06:37]  That is this.
[00:06:38]  Yes.
[00:06:38]  Are you ready?
[00:06:40]  I've never been more in suspense as to whether or not this is truly a humdinger.
[00:06:45]  It's a humdinger.
[00:06:46]  Okay.
[00:06:46]  So on our last episode about Carrie Cassidy's adventures, pretending that convicted murderer Mark Richards, her adventure trying to pretend that he's actually a secret space program who's friends with raptor aliens, on that last time that we looked into that stuff, it came After watching the trailer for that documentary, my response was that it looked pretty amazing.
[00:07:10]  The story of Mark Richards is absolutely one that deserves more attention.
[00:07:13]  It has a true crime angle.
[00:07:14]  It has a sci-fi angle.
[00:07:16]  It has a love story.
[00:07:17]  You know, both with Mark and his wife and with Mark and the raptor princess.
[00:07:20]  Yes.
[00:07:21]  Who's in space.
[00:07:21]  There's a lot of angles here.
[00:07:23]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:23]  And we haven't even gotten to Minerva.
[00:07:25]  No.
[00:07:26]  That's for the tech nerds.
[00:07:27]  For the hard sci-fi.
[00:07:29]  Hard sci-fi.
[00:07:32]  This story has it all.
[00:07:34]  Really, it does.
[00:07:35]  So the idea of someone making a documentary about it, obviously, I'm like, fuck yes, let's do this.
[00:07:40]  I got very excited about the possibility that someone who had the funding to do it and was able to interview people involved in the murder that Mark committed, as well as delusional defenders like Carrie, I got really excited about that possibility, what we could possibly see come from this.
[00:07:55]  My tone was very positive about it.
[00:07:58]  And that was based pretty much entirely on the trailer, which showed damning testimony against Mark and hilarious moments where Carrie Cassidy tries to convince the filmmaker that Mark was off-planet when the murder happened and his friends with Raptors.
[00:08:10]  But the more I thought about it, the more something didn't quite sit right.
[00:08:15]  Who was this guy making this documentary?
[00:08:17]  I was about to say, there's a very large butt coming, and I feel like we're going to find out that the guy who makes the documentary is even crazier than Mark Richards.
[00:08:25]  Well, I don't know anything about him.
[00:08:26]  Is he legit?
[00:08:28]  I mean, I realize that, like I said, I know nothing about this guy other than Carrie's accusation that he's a dildo salesman engaged in a hatchet job against Mark Richards at the behest of the Reptilian Cabal.
[00:08:38]  If she's right on that one, we're in real trouble.
[00:08:40]  I don't think she is.
[00:08:41]  But I realize that's the extent of what I really knew about him, and that's not acceptable.
[00:08:46]  If there's anything I try to do on this podcast, it's to learn as much as I can, especially about the things that matter the least.
[00:08:53]  I don't know nearly enough about this British guy who's making this documentary about a subject that we've covered on our show pretty much since we started doing this show.
[00:09:01]  Exhaustively.
[00:09:02]  So I set out to learn a little bit more about this guy.
[00:09:05]  This guy named Kevin Moore.
[00:09:06]  And that's what we're going to be talking about here today.
[00:09:09]  Jesus.
[00:09:10]  He convinced three children to murder somebody.
[00:09:14]  He's mad at Mark Richards because he took his record away.
[00:09:17]  He only convinced one other guy to kill.
[00:09:18]  Come on, don't engage in flippant libel.
[00:09:22]  That's a dangerous game to be played.
[00:09:25]  Apologies.
[00:09:25]  Apologies.
[00:09:26]  If you take Kevin at his word, here is his rationale for why he decided to make a documentary about Mark Richards.
[00:09:34]  This is the first docu-series of its kind looking into frauds in the UFO and alternative communities that I represent as well.
[00:09:42]  That doesn't sound true.
[00:09:43]  some of the damage that this does to the communities is not only is it damaging to credible researchers but it's also damaging to people's awakening you know when people are trying to explore the idea that you know there's a greater reality and when it's met with misinformation and disinformation you know I'm sensing red flags.
[00:10:06]  I've made it my calling right now, or part of my calling, to show the opposite side of some of these so-called whistleblowers.
[00:10:14]  You may see some indications of red flags, but I think that you're being a little bit overly capricious.
[00:10:21]  You're being a little bit overly judgmental based on what you assume is going to happen.
[00:10:28]  You have no reason.
[00:10:29]  I'm just saying, I don't like the word awakening.
[00:10:32]  Right.
[00:10:32]  Well, but, I mean, that could mean a whole bunch of different things.
[00:10:35]  Good.
[00:10:35]  If you take him at what he's saying, he's saying that there are credible researchers in the field, and people like Mark Richards, they are a disservice to those people who are actively searching.
[00:10:45]  Because, you know, I think that there are people who aren't crazy who are into aliens and stuff like that.
[00:10:51]  That absolutely exists in this wide old world.
[00:10:54]  So if you take him at, like, just boil down what he's saying to that crystalline center, I don't know.
[00:11:01]  It sounds like a pretty decent motivation for making a documentary.
[00:11:05]  So he reiterates it here in this next clip.
[00:11:08]  Why did I do it?
[00:11:09]  Well, it was just to try to give us some context in the stories that are out there.
[00:11:14]  Now there's...
[00:11:15]  Mark Richards is one story.
[00:11:17]  There are so many other stories.
[00:11:18]  How much disinformation do you think there is in the field?
[00:11:22]  So you get the sense that this is really how he's presenting the motivation that he has for embarking on this documentary about Mark Richards actually being a murderer and Carrie Cassidy and Joanne Richards being just these people who are full of shit and helping him, a murderer, push his story on the masses.
[00:11:40]  Right.
[00:11:40]  So, is this fair?
[00:11:42]  Is this complete bullshit?
[00:11:44]  Only time will tell.
[00:11:46]  And, you know, a couple hours, you'll know.
[00:11:51]  You'll have a pretty good idea in a couple hours.
[00:11:54]  Okay.
[00:11:55]  So, Kevin Moore has a YouTube channel that's been active since October 19th, 2011, when he posted a teaser trailer for his forthcoming show called The Moore Show.
[00:12:05]  This was a show that he was trying to sell to people that was vaguely a spiritualist talk show on which he would interview writers and actors from the UK, as well as astronomers and political activists.
[00:12:15]  There's the appearance of this being a pretty normal show, but just with a slight undercurrent of New Age stuff.
[00:12:21]  Yeah.
[00:12:21]  Which I am into.
[00:12:22]  Quite frankly.
[00:12:23]  No, no, no.
[00:12:23]  As far as...
[00:12:24]  I'm not going to buy into everything you say, but that's a kind of entertainment that I can kind of get into.
[00:12:30]  Like non-aggressive New Age nonsense.
[00:12:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:35]  Non-threatening.
[00:12:36]  Yeah.
[00:12:36]  I can enjoy that for a little while while I'm bored.
[00:12:40]  Right.
[00:12:40]  As his channel began, that seemed to be the path he was following.
[00:12:44]  He had an interview with Stanley Kubrick's grandson, who happens to now be a musician.
[00:12:48]  There were a few apparently plain interviews, but this pretty quickly turned into a conspiracy New Age theme show.
[00:12:56]  It became the clear focus of the show as he started to talk to Freemasons, people who called themselves color psychics.
[00:13:04]  Okay.
[00:13:05]  Well, I don't know what that means.
[00:13:06]  I don't know what that means either.
[00:13:07]  It's something to do with the palate, I guess.
[00:13:08]  Sure, sure.
[00:13:10]  Talking to a bunch of folks who wanted to tell you how imminent UFO disclosure was.
[00:13:14]  It was right around the corner.
[00:13:16]  But all the while, straightforward musical acts would still make appearances, and he would have interviews with guests like David Prowse, who played Darth Vader, and Joe Frost from the show Super Nanny.
[00:13:26]  That sounds fun!
[00:13:27]  Yeah, so he had some kernel of tethering to a normal show.
[00:13:32]  We're getting a little British Joe Rogan.
[00:13:35]  Not nearly as aggro.
[00:13:37]  No, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:37]  Well, of course not.
[00:13:38]  Interestingly, the tenth video he posted back in 2011 was an interview about America's collapsing economy with frequent Alex Jones guest and longtime contributor to the white nationalist-adjacent publication V-Dare, Paul Craig Roberts.
[00:13:51]  Goddammit.
[00:13:52]  Possibly worse, or at least certainly more boring, Kevin also had an interview with Jerome Corsi a few years back.
[00:13:58]  So you can see that there's not just one point of similarity to the stuff we talk about.
[00:14:03]  There's overlaps here.
[00:14:05]  We're starting to seep through.
[00:14:06]  As time went on, you see a trend towards this new age and spiritualism stuff take complete center stage, becoming the primary topic of pretty much all of his videos that he released.
[00:14:17]  We're talking about constant interviews of psychics, astrologists, and past life regressionists.
[00:14:21]  Kevin landed interviews with the two big names in the field, David Icke, and on January 29, 2012, he posted an interview with Carrie Cassidy herself.
[00:14:31]  I knew it!
[00:14:32]  It was mostly a softball interview about how Project Camelot was a portal for whistleblowers, and ultimately the content of that interview isn't nearly as interesting as the fact that it exists.
[00:14:41]  Right.
[00:14:42]  So we're not going to listen to any of that.
[00:14:43]  But I will tell you, you can go ahead and go find it.
[00:14:46]  It's still on his YouTube channel, and he is in no way critical of her.
[00:14:50]  He doesn't push back against her sort of very nonsensical things that she says.
[00:14:57]  So also...
[00:14:59]  On June 10th, 2012, Kevin Moore released an interview with Jim Fetzer.
[00:15:03]  He hadn't written it yet, so maybe Kevin shouldn't be judged too harshly about this aspect, but in 2015, Fetzer would publish a book called No One Died at Sandy Hook.
[00:15:12]  It was a FEMA drill to promote gun control.
[00:15:14]  Damn it.
[00:15:15]  So Kevin shouldn't be blamed for that because the book didn't exist at that point.
[00:15:18]  Sandy Hook hadn't even happened.
[00:15:19]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:15:20]  But Kevin probably should be judged pretty harshly for not knowing that Jim Fetzer is a literal Holocaust denier.
[00:15:26]  But I guess that maybe that was an open question as to how public Fetzer was about his Nazi sympathy at this point in time.
[00:15:33]  Okay, so there's a possibility here that this dude has renounced his previous life and is now making this documentary as almost a mea culpa.
[00:15:44]  As a way of saying, I believed all this stuff before and now I'm fighting back.
[00:15:48]  I love that you're thinking about ideas.
[00:15:52]  And that anything's possible.
[00:15:55]  All I'm saying, though, about Jim Fetzer and him having an interview with that dude, like, whatever kind of plausible deniability you might have about, like, a late 2012 interview with him, you don't have it anymore.
[00:16:06]  You should take that shit the fuck off your YouTube channel.
[00:16:09]  Oh, yeah, that's a smart idea.
[00:16:10]  Because he goes around to give speeches that are Holocaust denial in nature.
[00:16:14]  Right, right.
[00:16:15]  So I would say get rid of that.
[00:16:16]  It's still great content.
[00:16:17]  You know, you need content these days.
[00:16:18]  It's not great content.
[00:16:19]  It's all about content.
[00:16:20]  Though it appears that The Mower Show didn't work out as a TV talk show.
[00:16:24]  It's a TV show.
[00:16:24]  It lived on as a platform where increasingly weird guests would appear and tell Kevin about how 9-11 was fake or how the color green is magical.
[00:16:32]  That sort of thing.
[00:16:33]  And it lives on YouTube now.
[00:16:34]  And I guess as a podcast, although I can't find it on iTunes.
[00:16:37]  I have no idea what the distribution strategy of this is.
[00:16:41]  So wait, it actually was a TV show for a while.
[00:16:43]  It was on Sky 201 in the UK.
[00:16:45]  But I don't know how widely distributed a channel that is.
[00:16:49]  I think he had some sort of satellite channel that he was on.
[00:16:53]  I think it's something like FXX, like that kind of thing.
[00:16:56]  Entirely possible.
[00:16:56]  I guess you can find it.
[00:16:57]  But I think, from what I could tell, it was pretty short-lived in the UK as a late-night weirdo show.
[00:17:04]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:05]  So now, here we are in the present day in 2019.
[00:17:08]  Kevin Moore has rebranded into a voice of skepticism and is making a documentary about how Mark Richards is a murderer who defrauded everyone into thinking he's a space captain.
[00:17:17]  He puts out frequent vlogs on his YouTube channel that often come off as a bit aggressive about how his documentary is going to undo all the damage that Carrie has done.
[00:17:27]  Still makes me wonder how people can believe this utter rubbish in our community, that Mark Richards is a captain even, and that he's...
[00:17:38]  He's in prison for being part of the secret space program.
[00:17:42]  I mean, it's fucking insane, but there you go.
[00:17:45]  It takes a documentary like this that I'm putting together to sort of bust that and show the opposing opinion.
[00:17:52]  And it's worth every minute of my time.
[00:17:54]  So, I would say that, like, you know...
[00:17:57]  Carrie's not really been taking the high road on this whole thing, and she's been talking a lot of shit about him on Project Camelot.
[00:18:03]  So I could kind of understand and excuse a little bit of that aggro tone that he has in that last clip about, like, you know, it's worth all the work, and I'm going to expose all this.
[00:18:15]  And similarly, this sort of exasperation, this aggro tone that comes through here when he's addressing her and Joanne Richards in this vlog that he released from April 19th, 2000.
[00:18:26]  2009.
[00:18:26]  And Kerry and Joanne, if you're watching this thing, guys, this is what you should have done in the first place.
[00:18:33]  You should have looked into his case, gone to the Civic Center, dug out all the court records, gone and interviewed everyone that you could have found that knew Mark Richards, and you would have saved yourself so much embarrassment of making this guy your top whistleblower.
[00:18:50]  But don't worry, I'll do it I mean, it's pretty aggressive, but...
[00:18:55]  You kind of understand the idea that, you know, Carrie's been, like, she's been saying a lot of fucked up stuff about him.
[00:19:03]  You said 2009.
[00:19:04]  That was from 2019, right?
[00:19:05]  But yes, that was 2019.
[00:19:07]  That was 2019.
[00:19:08]  That is, like, last week.
[00:19:09]  Gotcha.
[00:19:09]  Yeah.
[00:19:10]  So, honestly, it makes...
[00:19:12]  A lot of sense why he'd be exasperated.
[00:19:14]  The way that Carrie's responding to him.
[00:19:16]  Right.
[00:19:16]  She said that, like, really inept dumb-dumb to, like, look into his past and stuff.
[00:19:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:22]  He just wrote that almost incomprehensible write-up about it.
[00:19:26]  But still, that's some form of, like, harassment.
[00:19:29]  You know, you kind of understand.
[00:19:31]  Yeah.
[00:19:31]  For us, people completely detached from the reality of all this.
[00:19:35]  This is a funny story.
[00:19:37]  Carrie's being lied to by a crazy guy in prison who says he hangs out with raptors.
[00:19:41]  But for other people, this is real life.
[00:19:44]  Richard Baldwin was a real person who was murdered.
[00:19:46]  His family lost a loved one that day when Mark and Crossan Hoover killed him.
[00:19:50]  Mark and Crossan's families had to deal with the pain of a relative committing a murder and have had to carry and work through the stigma that comes along with that ever since.
[00:19:59]  As Kevin rightly points out in this clip from the introduction to the trailer for his documentary, what Carrie and Joanne do has a negative effect on the people most hurt by Mark's crime.
[00:20:10]  You know, I've met the only sole surviving member of the family, Susan Baldwin, who was devastated to know that Kerry and Joe are giving Mark the platform that they are for him to spew his misinformation.
[00:20:27]  That makes sense.
[00:20:28]  Yeah!
[00:20:28]  After hearing something like that, you know what would be really funny?
[00:20:32]  It'd be kind of hilarious if, oh, I don't know, it turned out that on March 28th, 2015, Kevin Moore gave Joanne Richards a platform on his show to spread misinformation about the secret space program and her heroic husband, Captain Mark Richards.
[00:20:45]  Now, I should be clear, I'm not calling him Captain Mark Richards.
[00:20:49]  That's how Kevin Moore credits him.
[00:20:51]  God damn it!
[00:20:52]  In the video that he put out, it's labeled Captain Mark Richards.

=== Blindly Stumbling Through (13:07) ===

[00:20:56]  And that's even in the description of the video, Captain Mark Richards.
[00:21:00]  Which you heard him disparagingly say the idea these fucking idiots think he's a captain.
[00:21:05]  Right.
[00:21:05]  He credited Mark Richards as a captain when he interviewed Joanne back in 2015.
[00:21:10]  Of course.
[00:21:11]  Now...
[00:21:11]  That's why, like, a clip you played a little bit ago, he said, I don't know how these idiots in our community, and that was a big red flag for me there.
[00:21:20]  He's...
[00:21:20]  Hold on to those thoughts.
[00:21:21]  He's, oh boy, this is, this is like...
[00:21:24]  Well, I mean, he's like, how can you believe raptors exist because their reptoids are the ones causing us problems?
[00:21:29]  Well, I mean, you could just take the in our community thing with him.
[00:21:32]  As a general.
[00:21:33]  He does a show where he talks to New Age and spiritualist people, so he's in that community.
[00:21:38]  Right, exactly.
[00:21:38]  Hold on to that thought.
[00:21:40]  So Kevin Moore is now working on a documentary about how Mark Richards is a murderer and people shouldn't be treating him like a legitimate source of information.
[00:21:47]  So I feel like maybe it's in our best interests to check in and see just how well he handled himself when he had the chance to either push back or accept the bullshit that Mark's wife was telling him when she was a guest on his show.
[00:22:00]  I think you could probably already guess that if you did a good job, this episode wouldn't be happening.
[00:22:05]  So strap it in and let's enjoy Kevin Moore being a complete fucking idiot while Joanne Richards lies to him about her murderer husband's space adventures.
[00:22:14]  This is pathetic.
[00:22:17]  So, here in this first clip, Kevin introduces Joanne as his guest for this episode.
[00:22:23]  Now, Joanne Richards is the wife of Navy Captain Mark Richards, who claims he was an officer involved in the Dulcy Battle, as well as very active in the Secret Space Program and U.S. Space Command.
[00:22:36]  So, right out of the gate, I'm going to give you a tiny bit of credit for saying he claims to be.
[00:22:41]  Yeah, yeah, that was good.
[00:22:42]  Sure.
[00:22:42]  Maybe this is just him, like, giving her the benefit of the doubt, you know?
[00:22:47]  I mean, that's the beginnings of, you know...
[00:22:50]  Yeah, I mean, it quickly falls apart in terms of his interview style.
[00:22:55]  Yeah.
[00:22:55]  Because in this next clip, Kevin wanted to start the interview that he had with Joanne talking about the actual murder.
[00:23:01]  Yeah.
[00:23:01]  Because, I mean, it's kind of the elephant in the room.
[00:23:04]  Yeah.
[00:23:04]  You've got to talk about it.
[00:23:05]  You want to touch on the murder part.
[00:23:06]  Now, when you have somebody who may or may not be married to a murderer who's lying about being a murderer.
[00:23:12]  Right.
[00:23:13]  And they have a vested interest in being like, he's not a murderer.
[00:23:15]  Yeah.
[00:23:20]  Okay.
[00:23:22]  Don't presume that he is or isn't a murderer in the question, because that is doing the work of the liar for them.
[00:23:29]  Yeah.
[00:23:30]  When you are actually trying to elicit some sort of truth, don't establish the truth of the answer in advance.
[00:23:37]  Excuse me.
[00:23:39]  Yes or no question.
[00:23:41]  Did he kill that guy?
[00:23:42]  This is a very strong indication that Kevin is either...
[00:23:47]  The worst person at his job, or he's actively participating in what Joanne wants to do here on this episode.
[00:23:54]  Tell me a bit about the background to the story, very briefly, of the murder that he was convicted for.
[00:24:04]  Because I believe as well that when the murder happened, he was aware on a mission.
[00:24:10]  Oh, that's not good.
[00:24:11]  I believe so.
[00:24:12]  Oh, that's really not good.
[00:24:14]  He, in the question...
[00:24:15]  Did he just say that?
[00:24:16]  He, in the question, establishes that Mark was off-planet.
[00:24:20]  Now, all Joanne has to do is say, yes, I agree with that.
[00:24:23]  Of course.
[00:24:23]  As opposed to putting it on her to introduce the idea that he was off-planet.
[00:24:28]  He has done the heavy lifting for her.
[00:24:30]  This is a collaborative interview where Mark Richards didn't commit that murder is the goal.
[00:24:35]  Oh boy.
[00:24:36]  Or is the end result that the audience is being walked towards.
[00:24:39]  Whether there's a goal or not, or you're just...
[00:24:42]  Blindly stumbling through this fucking interview.
[00:24:45]  Yeah, I would give him...
[00:24:46]  I would say he's really bad at his job, because maybe what he meant to say was, I believe your story is that he wasn't even off-planet.
[00:24:53]  Maybe that was just a slip of the tongue.
[00:24:54]  He just missed those words.
[00:24:55]  I think when you're talking about stuff like this, you should be a little more careful.
[00:24:58]  Yeah, probably.
[00:24:59]  Probably.
[00:25:00]  Especially when, a couple years later, you take the harsh turn that you do.
[00:25:05]  Against this very person who you're interviewing on your show, and tacitly, and implicitly agreeing with.
[00:25:12]  Alright, so we both know the murder happened, and he wasn't around for it.
[00:25:17]  So tell me more about that.
[00:25:18]  Exactly!
[00:25:19]  So...
[00:25:20]  Now that the premise is established that Kevin is completely open to the idea that he was off the planet during the murder, that allows Joanne to spin whatever narrative she wants about the murder.
[00:25:32]  And so what she does is get into a little bit of a lackadaisical libel about a murder victim.
[00:25:38]  So now then, to go to the murder, in 1982, a murder happened here.
[00:25:46]  Of a friend of his, one of his cover businesses for doing his military stuff was remodeling people's houses or whatever.
[00:25:58]  So he was doing a remodeling project at a friend's house, and the guy also had a business restoring antique cars.
[00:26:06]  What my husband didn't know at the time was that the guy was also filming child pornography in his house, and he was a drug dealer.
[00:26:17]  Bad dude.
[00:26:19]  And then these kids that worked for my husband, because my husband had a generous heart and had a habit of hiring basically juvenile delinquents, and these kids killed the guy.
[00:26:32]  And when they started getting in trouble or whatever, they just said my husband masterminded the whole thing.
[00:26:38]  So, without any evidence, he allows Joanne Richards to assert that the person who her husband was responsible for murdering was a child pornographer, and, you know, he kind of deserved it.
[00:26:48]  He was a bad guy.
[00:26:49]  He was a bad dude.
[00:26:49]  Yeah, and it wasn't even Mark that did it, these kids.
[00:26:51]  He was on planet.
[00:26:52]  Mark is a great guy.
[00:26:53]  He hired these juvenile delinquents, and because he's such a good guy and gave them so many chances, he introduced murder into his life, but it's not really that big a deal because the dude was a child pornographer anyway.
[00:27:02]  Also, he had such a generous heart, he...
[00:27:05]  Hired child delinquents, and we all know that they commit murders all the time.
[00:27:09]  So it was probably just them.
[00:27:11]  They were delinquents.
[00:27:13]  He allows Joanne to say that, which is not backed up by any proof.
[00:27:17]  There is no proof that...
[00:27:20]  I mean, that's slander that she's committing against this guy.
[00:27:24]  Yep.
[00:27:25]  Who is dead now.
[00:27:27]  And...
[00:27:30]  He doesn't say, "Hold on!
[00:27:31]  Child pornography?" Now, where...
[00:27:33]  Did you see any child pornography?
[00:27:35]  Did there...
[00:27:36]  Is there police ever saying anything?
[00:27:37]  Is there anything in any of those police reports?
[00:27:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:39]  Or is this just something that your liar husband is saying?
[00:27:40]  So you're just saying that he was a child pornographer?
[00:27:43]  Uh...
[00:27:44]  No, not just that.
[00:27:45]  He was filming child pornography.
[00:27:46]  Right.
[00:27:47]  He's a producer of it.
[00:27:47]  Okay, great, great.
[00:27:48]  So, she's saying that about Baldwin, Richard Baldwin.
[00:27:51]  And...
[00:27:53]  At the same time, Kevin isn't asking any follow-up questions, so it's allowed to exist as part of the corpus of information that's being presented to his listeners, which makes me remember this clip from just a little bit ago.
[00:28:05]  I've met the only sole surviving member of the family, Susan Baldwin, who was devastated to know that Kerry and Joe are giving Mark the platform that they are.
[00:28:19]  Okay.
[00:28:21]  Wonder if you discussed your own behavior in that meeting that you had.
[00:28:24]  I doubt it.
[00:28:25]  Wonder if you've made peace with that.
[00:28:27]  So, in this next clip, he just allows Joanne to lie even more about it.
[00:28:32]  And this is one of the examples of something that, like, any decent interviewer would just be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[00:28:40]  They changed the date of death of the victim three times to make sure it was a time when Mark was in town.
[00:28:47]  What?
[00:28:47]  Okay, um, can you...
[00:28:50]  Can you back that up in literally any way?
[00:28:52]  What?
[00:28:53]  Can they do that?
[00:28:54]  They changed the date of his death three times because Mark kept having alibis.
[00:28:58]  So did they have to bring him back to life?
[00:29:00]  This is so stupid.
[00:29:01]  Like, if you read the transcript of the interview when Mark got arrested, like, they didn't need to adjust any alibis.
[00:29:08]  He had none.
[00:29:09]  Yeah.
[00:29:09]  He was eating a sandwich with his parents or something like that.
[00:29:12]  One of his backup alibis.
[00:29:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:16]  Bullshit.
[00:29:16]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:17]  Backup alibis are never a good sign anyways.
[00:29:19]  No, absolutely not.
[00:29:21]  So, in this next clip, Carrie discusses the...
[00:29:24]  Carrie.
[00:29:25]  Joanne...
[00:29:26]  Ah, slip of the tongue.
[00:29:28]  Joanne, in this next clip, discusses the idea that Mark was off-planet on a mission whenever this murder happened.
[00:29:35]  Now, if you pay close attention to the way she's talking, you might get the sense that Mark didn't even say that.
[00:29:44]  And a good interviewer...
[00:29:46]  Might ask a follow-up question about, like, what are you talking about?
[00:29:50]  Okay, so now she's spinning bullshit on top of bullshit.
[00:29:52]  Who knows?
[00:29:53]  That could be.
[00:29:54]  He has alibis for the other days, and he might even have an alibi for the day he was off on a mission, but he now at least implies or will say I probably wasn't there.
[00:30:07]  That's not good.
[00:30:08]  Probably wasn't there.
[00:30:09]  But she also said he'll imply that he probably wasn't there.
[00:30:15]  That's when an interviewer worth their salt would be like, okay, I gotta go.
[00:30:21]  Okay, so is there any reason why he would have to imply it as opposed to specifically stating that he was not there?
[00:30:27]  Well, someone might be listening.
[00:30:28]  Yeah.
[00:30:30]  Hold on, the clip goes on.
[00:30:32]  And I know he is trying to tell me, I was off doing something else, and I can go do that within an eight-hour span.
[00:30:40]  It's like, oh, really?
[00:30:41]  Okay.
[00:30:42]  He can't and won't tell me where he is or where he was or what he was doing or how he got there.
[00:30:49]  Okay.
[00:30:50]  But I firmly believe he was not in town the day that that murder happened.
[00:30:56]  Let's go.
[00:30:57]  Let's now just briefly summarize.
[00:31:00]  Some of the most amazing things that Mark has told you.
[00:31:06]  So, you understand that that is not a follow-up question?
[00:31:09]  That is, hey, what cool stuff has he said?
[00:31:11]  Because it's not saying, what are the amazing things he's told you?
[00:31:15]  Like, what are the...
[00:31:16]  Set me up for a t-ball here.
[00:31:19]  Set me up for something I can spike.
[00:31:21]  What crazy stuff has he told you?
[00:31:23]  Is Hannity interviewing Trump right now?
[00:31:24]  Is that what's going on?
[00:31:26]  So every idea you've had is great, and everything you've told me is true.
[00:31:30]  So let's summarize what it is he's also got to say.
[00:31:33]  Right.
[00:31:33]  I mean, she said in that clip...
[00:31:36]  Basically, it just comes down to, I've chosen to believe that he didn't do this, and he can't tell me where he was or what he was up to or how he got anywhere, which I would argue, just speaking as myself, is the very definition of not having an alibi.
[00:31:51]  Right, right, right.
[00:31:53]  But he's implied that he wasn't there, so I believe that.
[00:31:57]  And then Kevin, as the interview is just like, oh yeah, let's hear about space.
[00:32:02]  Cool.
[00:32:04]  That's terrible.
[00:32:06]  That's awful.
[00:32:07]  You sound great.
[00:32:09]  Yeah, I mean, that's a pathetic level of interviewing, of like...
[00:32:14]  That's a pathetic level of base conversation.
[00:32:17]  Yeah.
[00:32:17]  That's not even a...
[00:32:18]  I don't disagree.
[00:32:19]  That's not a tete-a-tete.
[00:32:20]  That's not an exchange of ideas at all.
[00:32:22]  It's very bad.
[00:32:23]  Yeah.
[00:32:23]  But he does ask one good question in this next clip, and that is he's trying to get to the core of, like, why is he coming out with this information now?
[00:32:32]  He's been in prison for quite a while.
[00:32:34]  What's the...
[00:32:35]  Why is he...
[00:32:38]  Money for appeal.
[00:32:39]  Well, Joanne kind of accidentally reveals that, like, I mean, it's what we've talked about forever.
[00:32:45]  He's bored.
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:47]  Why now?
[00:32:47]  Because he thought maybe the first 10 years of prison there was still a chance of him getting out through legal channels.
[00:32:55]  He exhausted pretty much all his legal remedies.
[00:32:58]  And after 10, 15 years of prison, he was pretty tired of prison.
[00:33:03]  And so he decided, well, I'm just going to start writing this stuff and I'm just going to start sharing some of this information that can be leaked out there because, number one, people will think he's crazy so they won't believe him anyway.
[00:33:17]  And who's this little wife of his?
[00:33:19]  She must be crazy if she believes him.
[00:33:22]  Fair enough.
[00:33:23]  I mean, that's just like the exact version of the story you'd expect from her.
[00:33:29]  Right.
[00:33:30]  You know, the part of the truth piece of, like, he was bored in prison, so he started writing shit.
[00:33:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:36]  It's just we look at it as he's, like, writing fantasy novels, and she's like, no, it's all real.
[00:33:42]  Yeah, that is very much...
[00:33:44]  Well, he's exhausted all of his legal channels, so he's kind of made peace with he's going to be there forever, and he realizes that without that hope propelling him, his days are real long.

=== Dutchman's Collaborative Misadventures (14:00) ===

[00:33:57]  Real long.
[00:33:58]  The days are real long when you have no hope.
[00:34:00]  Yeah.
[00:34:00]  I don't think that that's an offensive thing that she's expressing.
[00:34:04]  But there's no pushback at all to be like, are you sure that he's not just writing Tolkien sci-fi here?
[00:34:12]  Fantasy books.
[00:34:14]  Have you considered that he's fucking with you and you are also exploiting him for a cottage industry income?
[00:34:23]  That might be rude.
[00:34:24]  Yeah, that might be rude.
[00:34:25]  As an interviewer, that might be a bit brusque.
[00:34:27]  I'm just saying.
[00:34:28]  It is an open-air question.
[00:34:31]  I think a better question would be, are you sure that...
[00:34:35]  Have you seen somebody?
[00:34:39]  That might be rude, too.
[00:34:42]  So Joanne starts going off about how all these countries work together and aliens work together with all of our countries because there's the appearance of tension, but really behind the scenes everyone's working together like they did in the Cold War.
[00:34:57]  People were all working together behind the scenes, but they couldn't appear to be because of the Cold War.
[00:35:02]  I mean, it's a nonsensical idea, but this clip is important because listen to how Kevin is responding to her ideas.
[00:35:11]  There's a collaborative aspect to this.
[00:35:13]  He agrees with her and builds on points that she's making.
[00:35:17]  And when we were having the Cold War, most of these countries were actually working together when there was a common threat, even though they couldn't publicly say that.
[00:35:26]  But you had this agency that worked together and pulled in people from many different countries and different militaries working together against a common threat.
[00:35:36]  So, you know, they're all working together, but they all have to keep it secret.
[00:35:40]  Because they don't think the world in general can handle the truth.
[00:35:47]  No.
[00:35:48]  No, absolutely not.
[00:35:49]  And they still don't think so.
[00:35:51]  No, absolutely not.
[00:35:52]  And we'll get into some of the reasons why as well.
[00:35:55]  Because I think Mark sort of answers that in the story.
[00:36:01]  So that's endorsing.
[00:36:04]  Like, Mark's information explains why countries can't appear to get along, but actually are secretly working together.
[00:36:11]  And also, he agrees with her in that we cannot handle the truth.
[00:36:15]  No.
[00:36:15]  No.
[00:36:15]  Certainly not.
[00:36:16]  No, no, no.
[00:36:17]  Yeah.
[00:36:17]  Was there a Code Red?
[00:36:19]  Mountain Dew?
[00:36:19]  I don't know.
[00:36:20]  I don't know.
[00:36:21]  So, in this next clip...
[00:36:23]  Quick question.
[00:36:24]  Is her only source, as far as what she's talking about...
[00:36:29]  Richards?
[00:36:29]  I bet that she's talked to some other weirdos since.
[00:36:32]  But I'm going to bet literally everything I own that if any of them contradict Mark, then they're out.
[00:36:41]  But I bet she talks to Simon Parks.
[00:36:43]  I bet that she gets some information from Carrie as well.
[00:36:46]  I'm sure there's some sort of brainstorming that goes on in their community or whatever.
[00:36:52]  So in this next clip, this is fun.
[00:36:56]  Because Joanne discusses how back in the day we didn't have a lot of MIBs.
[00:37:00]  We didn't have a lot of men in black.
[00:37:01]  Uh-huh.
[00:37:02]  Right?
[00:37:02]  So people like Mark Richard's dad, the Dutchman.
[00:37:04]  The Dutchman.
[00:37:05]  He was just a man of means, which he wasn't.
[00:37:09]  But he's being presented as a man of means.
[00:37:11]  Yes.
[00:37:11]  You know, a rich guy of leisure.
[00:37:13]  Yeah.
[00:37:13]  Well, if I recall correctly, they...
[00:37:17]  We're hanging out with Winston Churchill when Captain Mark Richards was eight years old or whatever.
[00:37:22]  That might come up in this interview at some point.
[00:37:25]  I might not have cut out clips of it because it's weirdly too boring for me.
[00:37:30]  But yeah, so he was really rich and really smart and really cool.
[00:37:33]  And so he took on the role of being a man in black because he wanted to help humanity.
[00:37:38]  Well, of course.
[00:37:39]  He wanted to help the country, but...
[00:37:40]  He was working alongside someone else that we've heard of before.
[00:37:44]  It is comical to hear of in this context.
[00:37:47]  You know, we didn't have a lot of men in black or whatever.
[00:37:50]  So you had rich young men or young rich men who wanted to help the government.
[00:37:54]  So like Barry Goldwater and Tom Nicks, actors and people who weren't even in politics yet.
[00:38:01]  But just, you know, they had time on their hands and they wanted to help.
[00:38:04]  So there was a lot of, there was that interesting stuff going on under the, Nobody knew about this.
[00:38:12]  So Mark's dad was doing stuff as a teenager, and after the war, he was involved with investigating and dealing with alien activity and UFO sightings.
[00:38:21]  With Barry Goldwater.
[00:38:23]  With Barry Goldwater.
[00:38:24]  I think he was too busy making antsy pants at the time.
[00:38:27]  Was Goldwater framed as well for this action?
[00:38:29]  Totally.
[00:38:30]  That has to be the case.
[00:38:31]  Totally.
[00:38:32]  Okay.
[00:38:33]  Goldwater is fucking crazy, and he was super rich, so at least those details kind of make this a fun fake version of history.
[00:38:42]  Yeah.
[00:38:42]  But Barry Goldwater was not a man in black.
[00:38:45]  You know what?
[00:38:46]  I think, though, if you asked him now, point blank, like, hey, were you...
[00:38:50]  Wait, no, is he dead?
[00:38:51]  Yeah, he's dead.
[00:38:51]  Yeah, he's dead.
[00:38:52]  But, like, hey, were you a man in black with Captain Mark Richards?
[00:38:55]  He'd be like, yeah, sure.
[00:38:56]  That sounds fun.
[00:38:57]  I'm not doing anything.
[00:38:58]  You bet I was.
[00:38:59]  I am not busy.
[00:39:01]  This next clip, I think, is probably where this interview is the most irresponsible.
[00:39:07]  Not in terms of, like, the content, stuff like that.
[00:39:09]  Because I think allowing Joanne to say that this murder victim, Richard Baldwin, was a child pornographer without any evidence, I think that's the most deeply irresponsible thing that you could do if you're covering this story.
[00:39:22]  Yeah.
[00:39:22]  But this next clip, just from an interviewer standpoint, this is where it's like you're not even trying.
[00:39:28]  He went to Vietnam as a lieutenant in the Army.
[00:39:31]  Before that, he went to an interstellar treaty conference, but we can come back to that.
[00:39:37]  So he was doing secret stuff early on.
[00:39:41]  He went into Vietnam as a lieutenant, came out a captain in the Army, and then moved sideways and became a captain in the Navy.
[00:39:51]  So his current rank is Navy captain.
[00:39:55]  So, here's the thing.
[00:39:57]  Can you do that?
[00:39:58]  There are some problems with this story.
[00:40:00]  You can't just jump from Army to Navy and stay captain.
[00:40:04]  Well, let's talk about it.
[00:40:06]  There's some problems here with the story that Joanne's telling Kevin about her husband's alleged military service that he really should be asking follow-up questions about in the instinct that you just expressed.
[00:40:17]  The fact that he's not indicates to me that he's actively participating in letting her spread dubious bullshit on his show, and he really doesn't care to push back on it at all.
[00:40:26]  The most glaring problem with what Joanne is saying is that Mark became a captain in the Army, then, quote, moved sideways and became a captain in the Navy.
[00:40:35]  Ooh, is that an upward?
[00:40:37]  Oh, that's probably an upward move!
[00:40:39]  That's not a lateral move!
[00:40:40]  While it is true that a captain is a rank in both branches of the armed services, only someone who doesn't know anything about the services would think that going from army captain to navy captain is moving sideways, or is a lateral move.
[00:40:51]  In the army, captain is an O3 position, achieved after reaching the ranks of second lieutenant and first lieutenant.
[00:40:58]  Okay.
[00:41:16]  The second problem is that she's just saying that he switched branches of enlistment, as if that's something you could just do on a whim.
[00:41:25]  While it is possible to switch branches, it's not a very common thing.
[00:41:28]  And the process is really pretty complicated.
[00:41:31]  There's a saying that I ran into a few times while looking into this that goes like this.
[00:41:35]  It's easier to join the military from the street than from the fleet.
[00:41:39]  Which is to express inner branch switches are not very common.
[00:41:44]  What you have to consider is that the Navy is not just the Army, but with boats.
[00:41:49]  The different branches of service have different cultures, different missions, and different training that recruits go through.
[00:41:54]  Someone who reaches O3 in the Army most likely has a very different set of skills than someone who reaches O3 in the Navy, and there's no real guarantee that those skills are going to be transferable.
[00:42:05]  This isn't to say that it's never done, but it's pretty rare.
[00:42:08]  And when it does happen, it never comes with an arbitrary three-rank promotion, just so All right, Captain Richards.
[00:42:19]  We're happy to interview you.
[00:42:21]  We'd love to have you in the Navy.
[00:42:22]  Can you just give me a list of skills that you feel like would...
[00:42:26]  Okay, you can run very fast.
[00:42:28]  I talked to Raptors.
[00:42:29]  Okay, that one might help.
[00:42:31]  Okay.
[00:42:32]  The story that Joanne is telling indicates a lack of awareness of how the military works, a lack of awareness that Captain isn't the same rank in the Army and the Navy, and a lack of awareness that there's literally no proof that Mark was even ever in the Army or in Vietnam.
[00:42:45]  Right.
[00:42:46]  Military records do exist that show that Mark's dad, Ellis, or the Dutchman, joined the Air Force in 1942.
[00:42:54]  Military records also show that he was involved in four plane crashes during his enlistment between 1943 and 1952.
[00:43:01]  I'll read to you from the report about his 1952 crash.
[00:43:04]  Bad pilot.
[00:43:05]  Boo.
[00:43:06]  Quote, the wings were shed on initial impact with the dike.
[00:43:09]  The canopy exploded off, but not by the pilot, and the tail section broke off at the turbine wheel section.
[00:43:14]  The cockpit section remained intact very well.
[00:43:17]  The pilot's head was dragged along the ground, inflicting many deep cuts and a brain concussion, also breaking his neck.
[00:43:23]  This plane crash led to Ellis leaving the service and to him being partially paralyzed.
[00:43:29]  Newspaper articles about Mark's arrest and trial include quotes from Ellis, and they all mention that he was disabled, which makes it very unlikely that he was going on space battles after 1952, or that he was fighting in the Dulcy Base battle years later, as Mark has said.
[00:43:45]  Ellis died before Joanne ever met Mark, so all she really knows about him is what he's told her.
[00:43:51]  That's true.
[00:43:52]  So she can believe all this bullshit about Dulcy-based battles with aliens when his dad was partially paralyzed.
[00:44:01]  Right.
[00:44:01]  Well, I mean, that can be faked, though.
[00:44:03]  Like, remember when Willy Wonka came out at the beginning and he was walking on his cane and then he did a somersault?
[00:44:09]  That's not.
[00:44:10]  That's Ellis.
[00:44:11]  That's the Dutchman.
[00:44:11]  All right.
[00:44:12]  That's not.
[00:44:12]  It's not.
[00:44:13]  He was in a bad plane crash.
[00:44:15]  It does sound like he was in a bad plane crash.
[00:44:17]  Mark is almost certainly making up his military service.
[00:44:20]  He claims that he served in Vietnam, but Saigon fell in April 1975, and Mark graduated from Dominican College with a history degree in 1976.
[00:44:29]  He was born in 1953, so being 22 or 23 at the time of graduating from an undergraduate program is right on schedule.
[00:44:37]  And in 1973, he was arrested for insurance fraud, and though the charges were eventually dropped, it's pretty strong proof that he wasn't in Vietnam at the time.
[00:44:46]  There's literally no proof that Mark was ever enlisted.
[00:44:49]  No documentation, no pictures of him in uniform, no medals or stripes.
[00:44:54]  Short of some sort of bombshell that they're just not showing anybody for some reason, it's pretty easy to see that this is a case of stolen valor on Mark's part.
[00:45:01]  And a decent interviewer would have sniffed out that possibility the second Joanne said that Mark moved sideways from Army Captain to Navy Captain.
[00:45:10]  It's an absurd statement.
[00:45:11]  And Kevin doesn't bat an eyelash.
[00:45:13]  He doesn't ask a follow-up question because he's an active participant in platforming this bullshit.
[00:45:19]  Yeah.
[00:45:20]  Well, Dan, now that you've established that he was, in fact, both a captain in the Army and the Navy, we can just move on, right?
[00:45:25]  Please give a summary of the rest of the episode.
[00:45:28]  What other amazing things?
[00:45:30]  So, I'm contending that he's an active...
[00:45:34]  Participant in this.
[00:45:36]  And this next clip, I think, kind of reinforces that as he tells people to go listen to other interviews Mark has done.
[00:45:44]  And even like Carrie Cassidy, she's been there twice now, and just anybody who goes to visit him, I don't want to say, I try not to put him on a pedestal, but you're just in awe of the wealth of information that he knows on so many levels.
[00:46:00]  It's great.
[00:46:03]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:46:04]  And yeah, I would agree with you there because I saw her reaction when she came out of the prison.
[00:46:12]  Wait, he saw her?
[00:46:13]  And I would advise anyone to watch the Carrie Cassidy interviews as well because they are very, very interesting.
[00:46:20]  And like you say, the first-hand journalist to meet him as well.
[00:46:24]  So, I mean, he's advocating and saying everyone should go listen to Carrie's interviews with Mark Richards.
[00:46:29]  And what you responded to, there's video outside of Vacaville the first time that Carrie and Joanne, or the first time Joanne brought Carrie.
[00:46:39]  She thought that you'd be able to video record stuff.
[00:46:41]  She was videotaping herself in the car and then had to...
[00:46:45]  Turn off the camera.
[00:46:46]  And then turn it back on whenever they got in the car.
[00:46:48]  So you saw her face.
[00:46:48]  So he's obviously watched these.
[00:46:50]  Right, right, right.
[00:46:51]  So he knows the kind of bullshit that's in them.
[00:46:54]  Yeah.
[00:46:54]  The second you hear any of that, if you're not actively interested in trying to get a piece of it or something, then obviously you'd be like, look at this asshole.
[00:47:03]  Yeah.
[00:47:04]  Oh, man.
[00:47:05]  Right.
[00:47:05]  Oh, boy.
[00:47:06]  What's going on here?
[00:47:07]  There's something.
[00:47:08]  Oh, there is.
[00:47:09]  There's something.
[00:47:09]  Oh, there's something.
[00:47:09]  You're, goddammit, you're holding back a goddamn hammer.
[00:47:13]  Killing me!
[00:47:14]  I don't know if you remember earlier in this interview, Joanne said that Mark went to an alien conference.
[00:47:20]  Well, yeah.
[00:47:21]  Interstellar conference.
[00:47:22]  And so what that is all about is there's a bunch of alien races, right, that are coming here and they're going to decide whether we get to go to space.
[00:47:29]  Right.
[00:47:29]  They're going to decide...
[00:47:30]  In the meantime, they're taking our jobs.
[00:47:33]  Sure.
[00:47:33]  And they're taking our people for experimentation.

=== Mark's Dinosaur Conference (04:17) ===

[00:47:36]  Of course.
[00:47:36]  But Eisenhower allowed them to or something.
[00:47:38]  So he goes to this conference in the UK and he meets some alien children and he makes...
[00:47:43]  Great friends with them.
[00:47:45]  But it turns out that it could have gone incredibly poorly.
[00:47:49]  So it was fascinating.
[00:47:50]  So Mark is there, and his father in 1952 met a raptor, which is a reptilian that was...
[00:48:02]  1952 is the year that Alice was in that terrible, paralyzing plane crash.
[00:48:07]  That was the raptor.
[00:48:09]  Alex.
[00:48:10]  Mark might be trying to recapture something here.
[00:48:16]  It looks like, I mean, he's evolved from dinosaurs.
[00:48:19]  So here's this tall guy with a long tail, a long snout, lots of big, sharp teeth and very sharp claws.
[00:48:28]  And they became friends in 1952 when Prince Naga came as an ambassador.
[00:48:33]  And you move forward almost 10 years, and Naga is at this conference with two of his children, Princess Linka and Prince Craig.
[00:48:42]  Are we still doing this?
[00:48:43]  And so Mark gets to meet the Raptors for the first time.
[00:48:47]  He thought it was the first time.
[00:48:52]  And he becomes really good friends with Princess Linka and Prince Craig.
[00:48:55]  And they were several years older.
[00:48:57]  He was six or seven, no, seven going on eight that summer.
[00:49:01]  And they were probably, you know, they were several years older, like human years.
[00:49:05]  But they just became great friends.
[00:49:08]  And Mark's English friend, Titania, was with him.
[00:49:11]  And the humans that were there decided they wanted to have this little experiment and see, well, how are the human children going to react and get along with the alien children?
[00:49:20]  Fortunately, the raptors didn't eat them, so that was cool.
[00:49:24]  That is nice.
[00:49:24]  That is cool.
[00:49:25]  That is cool.
[00:49:26]  That is a real cool thing that happened.
[00:49:28]  The parents thought that it was a possibility that these raptors were going to eat the children, and then just decided, let's see what happens.
[00:49:34]  Yeah, well, I mean, hey!
[00:49:36]  You win some, you lose some.
[00:49:38]  That bark was almost bait.
[00:49:39]  He was almost eaten.
[00:49:41]  Yeah.
[00:49:41]  That's a legitimate part, and she's just rolling over that with a, well, that's cool.
[00:49:46]  I was watching your reactions, and you got real fucking shrugging and like, what the fuck is she even talking about when she said they're a couple years old in human years, and I actually think that's the most important distinction.
[00:49:58]  You were rolling your eyes at that, and you're like, I'm glad she clarified.
[00:50:02]  Because I was going to ask, like, they're on different planets.
[00:50:06]  How does age work?
[00:50:08]  It's actually the most pressing question.
[00:50:11]  Well, years, yeah.
[00:50:12]  Well, if we're measuring years by our Earth rotations around the sun, of course.
[00:50:16]  They were going to eat him, probably, but he wasn't made of chocolate.
[00:50:20]  And he was a little bit older than them, after all.
[00:50:26]  I think my favorite objection here is, Do you think Mark is real mad that people know his name is Mark?
[00:50:38]  Because look at the names of all of them.
[00:50:40]  All of these people that he's thrown into all of his stories are all fun names.
[00:50:44]  Mark the whole time is like, I want to change my name to Titanium!
[00:50:49]  And as we know, one of the main characters from his book, Macro Shark Rampant.
[00:50:55]  The best name ever.
[00:50:59]  One of the things that I think is super important to recognize here is that he doesn't ask any fucking follow-ups after that nonsense.
[00:51:06]  The idea that Joanne is presenting this idea that Mark, as a child, went to a conference in the UK where he made friends with raptor babies who might have eaten him because his dad had made friends with raptor royalty a few years prior.
[00:51:26]  And he's just like, Okay.
[00:51:28]  That can't be okay.
[00:51:30]  It's not a good interview.
[00:51:32]  All right.
[00:51:33]  What was the conference about, first off?
[00:51:35]  No, she doesn't talk about that.

=== Alien Rules and Dangers (08:09) ===

[00:51:37]  She's already established.
[00:51:38]  It was about whether or not humans could go to space.
[00:51:41]  Right.
[00:51:41]  And rules for humans in the universe.
[00:51:43]  Right.
[00:51:44]  So what I don't understand...
[00:51:46]  If that is what the conference is about, is why there's the possibility of being eaten by raptors.
[00:51:51]  Raptors will always possibly eat you.
[00:51:53]  There's always that.
[00:51:54]  If raptors are in play, you might get eaten.
[00:51:56]  I'm just saying that if you go to a UN conference on anything, there shouldn't be a chance of being eaten or killed by anyone there.
[00:52:06]  That's because there's no raptors in the UN.
[00:52:08]  If there were raptors in the UN, it would be fucking dicey.
[00:52:12]  Every time there's a Security Council meeting.
[00:52:15]  So what is it, a 50-50 shot?
[00:52:17]  You wouldn't want to take that appointment.
[00:52:18]  I wouldn't want to take that.
[00:52:19]  The appointment to that office?
[00:52:21]  No way.
[00:52:22]  I've got to be in a closed room with a raptor?
[00:52:24]  All right, guys, we're going to have some breakout sessions right now.
[00:52:27]  Terrence, you're going to be with the raptors today.
[00:52:30]  Sorry about that.
[00:52:31]  You're going with Princess Linka.
[00:52:35]  Cool, cool.
[00:52:37]  So we learned, you know, there's raptors, of course.
[00:52:40]  We already know that.
[00:52:41]  But at this point, Joanne gets into a couple of the other races of aliens that Mark knows.
[00:52:47]  And here, you know I'm a cat guy.
[00:52:49]  Yeah.
[00:52:49]  So I'm excited to learn about the cat aliens.
[00:52:52]  Oh, we got some cat beings?
[00:52:53]  And it turns out that I could probably hang with these cat aliens.
[00:52:56]  Yeah?
[00:52:57]  There's a cat species.
[00:52:58]  And they're basically scientists and artists and archaeologists.
[00:53:02]  You know, the one he talks about the most, she's a contessa.
[00:53:06]  She comes here to the planet on archaeological digs because she's trying to discover evidence of when and where her species has been when they visited Earth.
[00:53:15]  So I hear that.
[00:53:17]  So she's an Egyptologist?
[00:53:19]  Right.
[00:53:19]  What are you guys talking about with Bast, dude?
[00:53:21]  I know her.
[00:53:24]  First of all, feline Contessa might be a new rank.
[00:53:30]  Above Raptor Princess, Feline Contessa.
[00:53:33]  That's pretty great.
[00:53:34]  That's pretty great.
[00:53:36]  The other thing is, like, I hear that and I can't not hear it as Mark, like, just thinking about litter boxes.
[00:53:44]  Like, cats like to dig.
[00:53:46]  So they're archaeologists.
[00:53:47]  See, now, I heard it.
[00:53:49]  That's all I hear.
[00:53:50]  I heard it as his veiled sexism there, because those are the jobs that he considers to be more feminine in nature.
[00:53:59]  It's possible.
[00:54:00]  And then also Egypt, like the Association of Cats in Egypt.
[00:54:03]  I think it could be all of these things, quite frankly.
[00:54:05]  Yeah, no, put it all in them.
[00:54:06]  Whatever it is, it's dumb.
[00:54:07]  It's not Mako shark rampant, that's for sure.
[00:54:09]  So we got cat aliens, and I'm thrilled with them.
[00:54:12]  I'd like to go on a dig with them sometime.
[00:54:14]  They seem cool as shit.
[00:54:15]  One semester in college, I thought I was going to be an archaeology major.
[00:54:19]  Yeah.
[00:54:19]  So I could swing with these Contessas.
[00:54:21]  But in this next clip, we find out about dog aliens.
[00:54:24]  And my suspicion that I do not trust dogs is...
[00:54:27]  Hold on.
[00:54:28]  All right.
[00:54:29]  I just need to know...
[00:54:30]  You responded very harshly.
[00:54:32]  I'm sorry.
[00:54:33]  I got stuck.
[00:54:34]  So is every other alien species of a feudal structure?
[00:54:39]  Like she's a Contessa?
[00:54:41]  Like there's no...
[00:54:42]  It's hard to say.
[00:54:43]  Nobody's just like...
[00:54:45]  You know, like, everybody's...
[00:54:47]  I think it's because Mark likes that kind of fiction.
[00:54:50]  He does, that's true.
[00:54:51]  Like, he's into, like, the arterial legends and stuff like that.
[00:54:54]  So I think that's where his brain is.
[00:54:57]  But, dude, dogs...
[00:54:59]  Now let's get into dog species.
[00:55:00]  I do not like dogs.
[00:55:01]  I mean, I don't hate them, but I'd always rather be around cats than dogs.
[00:55:05]  There's just something I don't trust about them.
[00:55:07]  And it turns out, based on what Joanne has to say, I've been always right.
[00:55:11]  You were right all along.
[00:55:13]  There's a dog species that has a huge base here.
[00:55:17]  Their whole existence, I mean, they're merchants.
[00:55:21]  They're businessmen.
[00:55:22]  They love to work with humans just as a matter of being capitalistic.
[00:55:27]  Dog aliens are capitalists.
[00:55:31]  They are interstellar merchants.
[00:55:34]  Oh.
[00:55:36]  Oh.
[00:55:37]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:55:38]  I don't know.
[00:55:40]  Oh, of course.
[00:55:42]  Of course.
[00:55:42]  I should have seen that one coming.
[00:55:43]  Space capitalism.
[00:55:44]  And even as aliens, they still love to be around humans, Dan.
[00:55:49]  That is true across all aspects of the universe.
[00:55:53]  Dogs love to be around people.
[00:55:55]  Right, but it's all because of capitalism.
[00:55:57]  Yeah.
[00:55:58]  Where's the dog space?
[00:56:00]  Where are these guys coming from?
[00:56:01]  I don't know.
[00:56:01]  Is there a dog star?
[00:56:03]  Yeah, there's a dog star.
[00:56:04]  There is a dog star.
[00:56:05]  That's where they're from.
[00:56:05]  Who gives a shit?
[00:56:06]  I'm sorry.
[00:56:07]  I thought, well, are we going to get some Mostef and Talib Kweli from the Black Star?
[00:56:12]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:56:12]  Yeah, that sounds good.
[00:56:13]  So we've got cat aliens, and they're intellectual and great, and I love them.
[00:56:18]  Now you've got dog aliens, and they're always looking for a buck.
[00:56:21]  Crass merchants.
[00:56:23]  Crass traders traveling from system to system selling their wares?
[00:56:28]  Nonsense.
[00:56:29]  So in this next clip, Joanne sort of is selling the idea that pretty much all natural disasters are just cover-ups for mass alien abductions.
[00:56:42]  Oh, okay.
[00:56:42]  Now let's see how Kevin responds to that sort of an absurd notion being said to his fucking face.
[00:56:49]  And so a lot of times natural disasters will happen because there's either about to be or there's just been a major culling.
[00:56:58]  Of humans, and they just have kidnapped thousands of people and are planning to take them off the planet for very negative reasons.
[00:57:05]  It's usually not because they want you to be their best friend and go to school with their kids.
[00:57:12]  Right.
[00:57:12]  So that's the negative side about it.
[00:57:15]  And if people talk about, well, it's just, you know, it's not positive.
[00:57:22]  Whoa.
[00:57:23]  Yeah.
[00:57:24]  Whoa!
[00:57:25]  Well, you look at some of these planes that just disappear out of the sky, and you think, well, there's no trace of evidence where they've gone.
[00:57:32]  Who's took them?
[00:57:33]  Who's take them?
[00:57:35]  Who's took them?
[00:57:36]  Oh, boy.
[00:57:37]  So she's saying that natural disasters are covered for mass alien abductions, and his response to that is, you know what?
[00:57:43]  It's weird that planes disappear, too.
[00:57:45]  Yeah.
[00:57:45]  That's probably the same thing.
[00:57:47]  All of those planes that just disappear.
[00:57:49]  I get it.
[00:57:49]  I get it.
[00:57:50]  We're all talking about the Malaysian plane.
[00:57:52]  It's 2015.
[00:57:53]  I gotcha.
[00:57:54]  But come on, dude.
[00:57:55]  It's not like there's a ton of planes that just disappear.
[00:57:58]  That's not...
[00:57:59]  What are we talking about?
[00:58:00]  Amelia Earhart?
[00:58:01]  So that's bad.
[00:58:02]  Yeah.
[00:58:03]  I mean, that interpretation that Joanne is making is bad.
[00:58:06]  The fact that he doesn't push back in any way is bad.
[00:58:09]  Right.
[00:58:09]  The fact that he yes-ands it by talking about missing planes is really bad.
[00:58:14]  Also, I think she's against forced busing.
[00:58:17]  I think that might be part of it, too.
[00:58:18]  Could be.
[00:58:19]  Yeah.
[00:58:19]  You know what else she's against?
[00:58:21]  Terrorism.
[00:58:22]  Oh.
[00:58:22]  But it turns out...
[00:58:24]  Who's the terrorist?
[00:58:26]  Well, it turns out they're all working with aliens.
[00:58:28]  Oh.
[00:58:29]  And they also work with terrorist groups.
[00:58:33]  Which ones?
[00:58:34]  So, for example, when you hear of a terrorist activity, maybe at a shopping mall or maybe in a Middle Eastern country, for example, it's not always just the human terrorists that are at fault.
[00:58:47]  They're often working with alien, negative aliens.
[00:58:53]  Bad guys.
[00:58:54]  I think you can call them terrorists too, right?
[00:58:58]  There you are.
[00:58:59]  Well, yeah.
[00:59:00]  There you are!
[00:59:01]  Well, yeah.
[00:59:02]  Well, yeah.
[00:59:03]  Of course.
[00:59:03]  Well, yeah.
[00:59:08]  So he closes out the interview here by saying, like, we haven't barely even talked about the important stuff.
[00:59:14]  I want to have you back on.
[00:59:16]  No!
[00:59:16]  Yeah, he ends the interview.
[00:59:17]  Come on!
[00:59:18]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:59:19]  He ends with, like, a, you've got to come back on.
[00:59:21]  Jesus.
[00:59:22]  And then listen to the plugs.
[00:59:23]  I mean, I know we've barely touched, we haven't covered Dulce, we haven't covered barely anything.
[00:59:30]  So what I'm going to do is I'm going to get you back on on a future show.

=== Carrie Cassidy's Revelations (15:39) ===

[00:59:34]  I mean, again, I would recommend people to, and we'll put links on there for the Carrie Cassidy interviews as well, because, you know, she goes a lot more into depth into this whole amazing story.
[00:59:47]  If people go on my website, and will you put up the link for that?
[00:59:54]  Edhca.org for Earth Defense Headquarters.
[00:59:57]  If you go on my website and click on products, I have descriptions of all the different reports that I sell that he's written about his different missions and adventures.
[01:00:06]  I mean, they sound like adventures, but they're true military missions.
[01:00:10]  And some are on planet and some are off planet.
[01:00:12]  So whatever you want, you can get.
[01:00:17]  Yep.
[01:00:17]  Don't worry about that.
[01:00:18]  Your website has been coming up on the screen all the way through this interview.
[01:00:23]  Great.
[01:00:23]  Thank you so much.
[01:00:24]  Oh, no, no.
[01:00:25]  It's the least we can do.
[01:00:27]  It's the least he could do.
[01:00:28]  Wow.
[01:00:29]  Wow, you obsequious prick.
[01:00:31]  What?
[01:00:32]  So...
[01:00:33]  This is all that we really need to listen to here from that interview without just playing the entire thing, but you get the taste of it.
[01:00:39]  This is an interview where Kevin Moore does literally nothing to push back against any of the things that Joanne Richards is telling him.
[01:00:46]  He believes her.
[01:00:47]  He doubles down on her narratives and is not in any way exercising skepticism or looking for evidence for anything.
[01:00:54]  He even establishes that Mark was away on a mission when Richard Baldwin's murder happened.
[01:00:58]  Joanne didn't even have to say that as an answer to an open question.
[01:01:02]  Kevin established it for her.
[01:01:04]  Something like that makes Kevin's claims of caring so much about how Baldwin's sister was appalled at care Yeah.
[01:01:14]  So I just...
[01:01:17]  Here's the thing.
[01:01:18]  The more I look at Kevin Moore's videos about his documentary that he's making, the more I think he's a fucking asshole.
[01:01:25]  Yeah.
[01:01:26]  You look at the past, you look at this stuff, the fact that he's actively engaged in spreading these stories before, and then now is like, how dare you spread these stories?
[01:01:35]  That's a little bit rough.
[01:01:37]  I assume that he's giving full disclosures while he's talking about this documentary that, hey, I used to believe in...
[01:01:44]  I haven't heard a word of that.
[01:01:46]  No.
[01:01:46]  I'm not saying that it isn't in any of those videos, but he has far too many for me to watch all of them.
[01:01:52]  Gotcha.
[01:01:52]  Although I have watched a lot.
[01:01:53]  Okay.
[01:01:54]  Is he getting...
[01:01:55]  Is he self-funding?
[01:01:57]  Is this GoFundMe?
[01:01:58]  We might learn a little bit about that.
[01:02:01]  But before we get to that, I want to tell you, I think he's an asshole.
[01:02:06]  And one of the reasons is things like this.
[01:02:08]  This clip that he's put out in one of these vlogs, where he seems to be saying that part of his research that he's doing for this documentary is digging into the validity of Mark and Joanne's marriage.
[01:02:21]  Now, Project Avalon have done me a massive favour as well.
[01:02:24]  They've also posted stuff that Joanne wanted posting on there.
[01:02:29]  And what Joanne's posted is that she is actually married to Mark.
[01:02:33]  That was one of my concerns with Joanne Richards.
[01:02:36]  And yes, I did contact Montgomery Clerk Office.
[01:02:41]  And yes, you are married to Mark Richards.
[01:02:44]  And yes, I've ordered the marriage certificate and will put that in the documentary.
[01:02:48]  But, Joanne, in which name did you marry Mark?
[01:02:53]  Did you use your childhood name or felt, or did you use a different name like Fawcett when you got married?
[01:03:00]  Well, we hope, right?
[01:03:19]  More info on...
[01:03:20]  Joanne Richards coming soon, the wife of the amazing secret space captain, Mark Richards.
[01:03:28]  Doesn't that seem asshole-ish?
[01:03:30]  Yeah!
[01:03:31]  Seems pretty asshole-ish.
[01:03:34]  Unless she's a noted conwoman with multiple...
[01:03:38]  If she's a bigamist, I guess, is his point.
[01:03:40]  That documentary is about something else, then.
[01:03:43]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:03:43]  It's not about Mark Richards and his murder, then.
[01:03:45]  No.
[01:03:46]  But one thing that's important to remember is that Joanne, by her own admission, has, quote, been married and divorced several times because she, quote, had some pretty awful marriages.
[01:03:57]  Getting married and divorced frequently can lead to some nominal confusion, especially to external observers, and it seems like Kevin's trying to take that and make it seem suspicious.
[01:04:07]  But ultimately it just feels petty and vindictive.
[01:04:09]  Yeah.
[01:04:09]  Their marriage has nothing to do with this documentary as it's being presented.
[01:04:13]  Whatever he's trying to demonstrate here with this idea of like, aha, expose your wedding certificate.
[01:04:19]  All that doesn't strengthen his argument that Mark is lying about the murder.
[01:04:23]  It's just an attempt to hurt Joanne personally.
[01:04:26]  Yeah.
[01:04:26]  Which I find ugly.
[01:04:29]  I suppose the only way that that is not a complete and total dick move is if she is like a noted con woman who has traveled around.
[01:04:39]  But she's not.
[01:04:39]  Right.
[01:04:40]  She's not.
[01:04:41]  But if she was something of the sort, then you can say, oh, well, look, she's also taking advantage of Mark to do her own scam.
[01:04:48]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:04:49]  She might be on some subconscious level, but it's not that.
[01:04:51]  That's not an essential piece of what he's looking into.
[01:04:55]  Of course not.
[01:04:55]  The birth name that he has is one, and then the other name that he uses is Fawcett.
[01:05:01]  And if you look in the past, you can find her going by that name probably from a previous marriage.
[01:05:07]  Yeah.
[01:05:08]  She took on her husband's surname.
[01:05:10]  So, like, in 1997, you can find records of her online going as Joanne Fawcett.
[01:05:15]  And then she gets married to Mark, and she's Joanne Fawcett Richards.
[01:05:19]  So there's nothing suspicious here, as far as I can tell.
[01:05:22]  Yeah, that seems fine.
[01:05:23]  The burden of proof for him to justify this not as being, like, him just being a fucking dick is real high.
[01:05:30]  Yeah.
[01:05:30]  He needs to establish something other than winking smugness about, I'm looking into you.
[01:05:36]  Yeah.
[01:05:36]  Yeah, he's a dick.
[01:05:38]  It's gross.
[01:05:39]  And I have a few other reasons to be suspicious about Kevin's tone and the way he's carrying himself.
[01:05:44]  One of those has to do with the fact that in May 2018, Kevin Moore had another interview with Carrie Cassidy.
[01:05:51]  His interview with Joanne Richards was from 2015, so I suppose he could make the argument that in the intervening years he'd had a change of heart about the whole matter, and he's now working to right those wrongs, like you suggested earlier.
[01:06:02]  Exactly.
[01:06:03]  But this interview with Carrie took place less than a year ago, and if you pay attention, you start to see shades of deception.
[01:06:11]  This interview happened before he started working on his documentary about Mark Richards, but he uses footage from this interview for the documentary.
[01:06:20]  The way he's using this footage is interesting.
[01:06:23]  Now, Jordan, I'd like you to take a listen to this from the trailer.
[01:06:27]  And he's in constant contact with the Raptors and they are now working, according to him, with our military.
[01:06:34]  We're not saying Mark Richards didn't commit a crime here.
[01:06:37]  He didn't.
[01:06:38]  Well, okay.
[01:06:39]  He's absolutely framed.
[01:06:43]  When it comes to Mark Richards in particular...
[01:06:46]  There can be no doubt that Carrie Cassidy has no objectivity.
[01:06:50]  She's personally involved and invested in this story like no other.
[01:06:55]  So what you have...
[01:06:57]  Calm it down with the music.
[01:06:57]  I like it.
[01:06:58]  All right.
[01:06:59]  I get you.
[01:06:59]  But that's...
[01:07:00]  All right.
[01:07:01]  From how the clip of Carrie was used in the trailer, you get the sense that Kevin was confronting her about how Mark was actually guilty of the murder, and she foolishly insists that he was framed.
[01:07:10]  Plus, the clip that plays right after is meant to drive home that intended message.
[01:07:15]  Now, let's listen to how that exchange actually went down in the context of the actual interview from May 2018.
[01:07:24]  In the case of Mark Richards, he's constantly talking about the raptor beings.
[01:07:28]  The raptors having gone through a certain amount of evolution.
[01:07:33]  Since the time of the dinosaurs broke off from that, went off on their own, actually left this part of the galaxy.
[01:07:41]  And all of this is in the Mark Richards interviews.
[01:07:44]  I want to apologize in advance.
[01:07:45]  This is like a three-minute long clip, but it's worth it just to hear this in context.
[01:07:50]  And he's in constant contact with the raptors, and they are now working, according to him, with our military.
[01:07:57]  Protecting humanity.
[01:07:58]  How is he in contact in jail?
[01:08:00]  So he's channeling that information?
[01:08:01]  Yeah, he's, you know, if you want to call it channeling, whatever you want to call it, downloading.
[01:08:06]  He's, you know, look, humans can go through portals.
[01:08:10]  Right here we could create a portal and go through it.
[01:08:12]  We're not saying Mark Richards didn't commit a crime here.
[01:08:15]  He didn't.
[01:08:15]  Well, okay.
[01:08:17]  He's absolutely framed.
[01:08:19]  You know, I had someone email me that said, "Why did you have that Mark Richards guy?" Because I had his wife on years ago.
[01:08:26]  Joanne, she's a lovely person.
[01:08:27]  Yeah, years ago.
[01:08:28]  He's like, "You don't know one thing." He's like, "I was in that town when those murders took place." This guy is guilty of those murders.
[01:08:35]  And I didn't reply to him, because it wasn't...
[01:08:36]  First of all, he's supposed to be the mastermind, so how does that person know he's guilty?
[01:08:40]  I don't...
[01:08:41]  This is just a comment, an email, sorry, that was emailed to me.
[01:08:44]  Yeah, but this is also a person who easily can be influenced.
[01:08:47]  He could be taken over.
[01:08:49]  I don't know who this guy is.
[01:08:49]  He could be working for the dark side.
[01:08:51]  He could be a CIA plant.
[01:08:53]  No idea there was.
[01:08:54]  And again, he could be a light worker that they've taken over and is now working for the dark side.
[01:08:59]  I mean, these people are so prevalent.
[01:09:00]  Of course.
[01:09:01]  You know...
[01:09:01]  You can think what you want.
[01:09:04]  Obviously, I've got eight interviews, and I've sat this close to him for hours and hours in prison.
[01:09:11]  And you used your intuition on that, yeah.
[01:09:12]  And, you know, don't take my word for it.
[01:09:14]  I wish I could get him on camera, but the prison won't allow it.
[01:09:17]  No, you're not allowed.
[01:09:18]  Now, you've got to ask yourself, this man has been in prison well over 30 years.
[01:09:24]  He's, you know, in his 60s.
[01:09:26]  He's failing health.
[01:09:29]  You know, he's...
[01:09:30]  He didn't commit the murders.
[01:09:32]  He supposedly masterminded it.
[01:09:35]  Why isn't he on parole at this point in his life?
[01:09:40]  Well, I would say, put all that to one side.
[01:09:41]  He was a military man.
[01:09:42]  He still is a military man.
[01:09:43]  In fact, he's regarded as such by the prison guards and the prison itself.
[01:09:47]  Right.
[01:09:48]  He was basically treated as the Navy captain that he is and was trained to be.
[01:09:53]  Is he?
[01:09:54]  In prison now.
[01:09:55]  Put all that to one side.
[01:09:56]  Let's hear the information that he's talking about now.
[01:09:58]  That's what I would say.
[01:09:59]  I only mention that because...
[01:10:00]  No, it's fine.
[01:10:01]  I'm just saying, you know, this is the thing.
[01:10:03]  Is that all you need is...
[01:10:06]  You know, tomorrow someone will come along and say, Carrie Cassidy does this and so, and then you're left with a dilemma.
[01:10:13]  Do you believe?
[01:10:13]  I've known her since...
[01:10:15]  They could lie through their teeth, you know?
[01:10:17]  And yet because they've said it, you can't say nothing against it.
[01:10:20]  Or if you do...
[01:10:20]  Well, even so, you know...
[01:10:21]  If you do, it means nothing because they've said it.
[01:10:24]  Yeah.
[01:10:25]  You know, what do you want to do?
[01:10:28]  This is discernment.
[01:10:30]  This is the sort of land we live in.
[01:10:32]  And I say to people, do you expect truth to be delivered on a silver platter?
[01:10:37]  If that was the case, what would be the point?
[01:10:40]  Some people do.
[01:10:42]  So, I think you can get a very clear sense that that exchange is not accurately representative of what he's playing in the trailer.
[01:10:51]  Not at all.
[01:10:51]  That's bullshit.
[01:10:53]  So he could...
[01:10:54]  That was from less than a year ago.
[01:10:57]  Right, but that's the reason that he has that footage, is because when he talked to all of these people, he was a softball interview.
[01:11:06]  Well, the Carrie and Joanne interviews are from before.
[01:11:09]  Right, no, that's what I'm saying.
[01:11:10]  When he was on board with their shit.
[01:11:13]  Exactly.
[01:11:13]  He's not going to give him an interview now, is what I'm saying.
[01:11:18]  It pains me to say this, Jordan, and you know me, I don't ever want to be coming to Carrie Cassidy's defense, but from everything I've been able to tell, I really think Kevin Moore is doing our girl dirty.
[01:11:28]  Like, I think he's doing some bad shit here.
[01:11:31]  Nothing about what he's doing feels sincere.
[01:11:33]  There's even something about the whole thing that feels vindictive and dishonest in some way.
[01:11:38]  Something must have happened between May 2018 and the present day that sent Kevin Moore on this trajectory, but I can't pretend that I have any idea what that thing would have...
[01:11:47]  I have no idea.
[01:11:49]  But something has to have changed.
[01:11:51]  Well, she owes him 20 bucks.
[01:11:52]  Could be.
[01:11:53]  These people.
[01:11:55]  And you know what?
[01:11:56]  It's a goddamn shame.
[01:11:57]  Because I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of someone making a documentary about how Mark Richards is a charlatan and a murderer masquerading as a heroic space captain.
[01:12:05]  The story is perfect for a farcical documentary, so long as the subject matter is treated with the respect that the victim's loved ones deserve.
[01:12:13]  Our next Patreon goal is, of course, $300,000 to make this documentary.
[01:12:18]  You guys can make it.
[01:12:19]  But this doesn't feel like that.
[01:12:21]  It doesn't feel like a farcical documentary that is just interested in the subject matter.
[01:12:27]  It feels ugly and unhealthy somehow.
[01:12:29]  The way he's gloating in these vlogs about digging into their personal lives and stuff like that is just gross.
[01:12:36]  And part of that feeling I have is based on a piece of information that I've intentionally withheld from you.
[01:12:41]  You remember how I told you?
[01:12:43]  Oh, I thought you were going to continue to intentionally withhold it, which would be a dick move on your part.
[01:12:47]  It would be rude.
[01:12:47]  Yeah, it would be awful.
[01:12:48]  Why would you even tell me that you were holding that information?
[01:12:50]  I got a secret.
[01:12:51]  This has been Knowledge Fight.
[01:12:55]  Jordan, you remember how I told you that in 2011...
[01:12:57]  Next goal on Patreon!
[01:12:59]  I'll tell you my secret.
[01:13:01]  I told you that in 2011, Kevin posted his first YouTube video, the trailer for his new TV show, The Moore Show.
[01:13:08]  Yeah.
[01:13:09]  I kind of forgot to tell you that in the description of that video, Kevin also announces that he, quote, has now started his own international psychic service, so support The Moore Show and get a reading.
[01:13:20]  Uh-oh.
[01:13:21]  It turns out that Kevin has been trying to market psychic abilities for money going on for at least eight years.
[01:13:27]  So he is a psychic as well.
[01:13:29]  Well, he's just running a psychic hotline.
[01:13:31]  Oh, right.
[01:13:32]  He's just running a hotline of psychics.
[01:13:35]  Which kind of parallels very much Carrie being like, now, he was just the mastermind.
[01:13:40]  He didn't commit the murder.
[01:13:42]  Kevin provides a link to book him for a reading, so maybe he is a psychic, on tmspsychics.com, which now redirects to channeling.com, a website offering channeled readings from extraterrestrials and other dimensional beings delivered to you for a price from a team of mediums working for Kevin Moore.
[01:14:01]  Or at least I assume they're working for him, considering that Kevin's face is the logo for the website and he recorded a welcome message that plays on the front page.
[01:14:09]  Oh, and also in the links section at the bottom of the page.
[01:14:13]  Gotcha.
[01:14:14]  Well, I mean, it could be like a situation, you know, like a haircuttery situation.
[01:14:20]  You know, what you do is you're actually renting the chair, man.
[01:14:22]  You're an independent contractor.
[01:14:26]  No.
[01:14:28]  Some of his psychic employees offer silver-level readings for $100 an hour.
[01:14:33]  $100 an hour.
[01:14:35]  $100 an hour for a silver!
[01:14:37]  Silver level.
[01:14:38]  Oh, I don't want to know what gold is.
[01:14:40]  It's $129 an hour.
[01:14:41]  Okay, well that seems like a steal.
[01:14:43]  But then some other ones offer platinum level readings for the very affordable price of $255 an hour.
[01:14:50]  That's a lot.
[01:14:50]  He is Goldilocks pricing all day.
[01:14:53]  That is ambitious.
[01:14:54]  Wow.
[01:14:54]  And if your hour is about up and the medium you're talking to has more important information for you, don't worry.

=== Nickel and Dime Scam (02:18) ===

[01:15:00]  You're not going to get charged for an extra hour.
[01:15:02]  If it's a platinum reading, you are going to have to pay $6 a minute to continue the call.
[01:15:07]  Oh, well, that's not terrible.
[01:15:09]  Let's see.
[01:15:10]  Let's see.
[01:15:11]  How much would...
[01:15:12]  It's only $2.30 a minute for the other levels, though.
[01:15:16]  Right, but...
[01:15:16]  Additional minutes.
[01:15:17]  So it would be an extra $240 per minute.
[01:15:23]  Or per an hour.
[01:15:24]  Right.
[01:15:25]  That's for silver and gold.
[01:15:27]  Right, right, right.
[01:15:27]  It would be $3,600.
[01:15:30]  $360.
[01:15:31]  $360.
[01:15:32]  For the platinum level.
[01:15:33]  Which is more than if you just bought another hour.
[01:15:36]  You bet.
[01:15:36]  But that's how they get you, nickel and dime.
[01:15:38]  Yeah, nickel and dime.
[01:15:39]  I don't want to put this too strongly, but I would be lying if I said this didn't seem like one of the biggest scam operations I've stumbled into accidentally over the course of doing this show.
[01:15:48]  That one's crazy.
[01:15:48]  Say what you want about Carrie Cassidy and her dumbass operation.
[01:15:51]  At least she doesn't have the temerity to associate herself with something this overtly predatory.
[01:15:57]  Yeah, this is bad.
[01:15:58]  This is insane.
[01:15:59]  This is insane.
[01:16:00]  Looking over the website, it's almost a parody of a New Age cash grab with multiple how-to-pay links.
[01:16:06]  Like you could pay with your credit card or PayPal all over the top of the page.
[01:16:10]  Fun.
[01:16:10]  And most of the FAQ section is dedicated to payment options and attempts to alleviate concerns of people who might find themselves feeling skeptical.
[01:16:19]  So you think I'm lying to you.
[01:16:21]  I will tell you exactly why I am not lying to you.
[01:16:25]  For $6 a minute, you can pay with PayPal.
[01:16:28]  Here's how they answer skeptics' question.
[01:16:31]  Quote, All our readers are experts at telephone readings, and when you call, they'll connect to you through your voice vibration by picking up variations in the voice, much like radio waves.
[01:16:41]  As your face can't be read during a phone call, readers rely on their gift alone, making the reading more relevant.
[01:16:46]  You see, Jordan?
[01:16:47]  They can be even more psychic on the phone.
[01:16:50]  Wow.
[01:16:50]  Yeah.
[01:16:51]  I love that spin.
[01:16:53]  That is a great spin.
[01:16:55]  That is a really good spin.
[01:16:56]  It's impressive.
[01:16:57]  Yeah.
[01:16:57]  I'm going to give them that one.

=== David The Earth Angel (03:12) ===

[01:16:59]  I decided to dig around a little and see who some of these mediums are that Kevin was employing.
[01:17:04]  There's at least 36 mediums that Kevin's been able to find, screen, and convince to work for him on the phone, which alone seems like a Herculean effort that he's managed to pull off.
[01:17:15]  It sounds probably more like he has four or five.
[01:17:18]  I don't know.
[01:17:19]  I got to know a couple of these folks, so I'm going to introduce you to them by reading you their bios.
[01:17:25]  Cool, that sounds fun.
[01:17:26]  First, I'd like you to meet David.
[01:17:28]  Just David.
[01:17:28]  Just David?
[01:17:29]  Quote, David channels felines and mostly the male big cat Metex, as well as many beings who define themselves as reptilians.
[01:17:39]  Most importantly, those that are somewhat affiliated with the Draconian Empire and go by the name Kalask, but also Vortak and more cool.
[01:17:48]  A whole lot going on there.
[01:17:49]  Wow.
[01:17:49]  A whole lot.
[01:17:49]  Wow.
[01:17:50]  So he's just mad at Mark for stepping in his game.
[01:17:55]  Maybe.
[01:17:55]  But look, my favorite part of that, you know, there's a lot.
[01:17:58]  Like I said, there's a lot going on.
[01:17:59]  That's great.
[01:18:00]  But my favorite fucking part is that Kalask is only, quote, somewhat affiliated with the Draconian Empire.
[01:18:05]  You can trust Kalask because he's not fully affiliated with the Draconian Empire, but he's just associated enough to know what's going on.
[01:18:14]  See, now I'm more angry at Kalask.
[01:18:16]  Why?
[01:18:16]  What is he doing?
[01:18:17]  Is he playing both sides?
[01:18:18]  Why is he only somewhat affiliated?
[01:18:20]  Where is he at?
[01:18:21]  No, no, no.
[01:18:21]  Is he nearby?
[01:18:22]  I apologize.
[01:18:23]  He's like Littlefinger.
[01:18:24]  He's got his fingers in everything.
[01:18:27]  Then, there's Earth Angel, the person.
[01:18:30]  Not to be confused with the 1954 song by the Penguins that was featured in Back to the Future.
[01:18:35]  She was named...
[01:18:36]  Buy that song.
[01:18:37]  I bet David feels bummed out that he goes by David when it's fair game to call yourself Earth Angel.
[01:18:42]  Nah, David, good biblical name.
[01:18:45]  He's a man who's grounded.
[01:18:48]  David is an Earth Angel.
[01:18:50]  He doesn't have his head in the clouds, Dan.
[01:18:54]  That's how you know this stuff is true.
[01:18:56]  Because he's just David.
[01:18:57]  Earth Angel's bio is not that interesting.
[01:19:00]  We really just learned that, quote, her test reading blew us away, which inspires a load of confidence.
[01:19:05]  That was it?
[01:19:06]  Yeah.
[01:19:06]  That was it?
[01:19:06]  That's the whole bio?
[01:19:07]  That's most of the bio, yeah.
[01:19:08]  Okay.
[01:19:08]  All right.
[01:19:09]  There's also a woman named Galaxy who can, quote, connect to those that have passed if the need is there, which I think is a crazy way to phrase that.
[01:19:17]  She can talk to the dead if you need that sort of thing.
[01:19:20]  Okay.
[01:19:20]  If you need that sort of thing, she can talk to the dead.
[01:19:22]  You know what?
[01:19:23]  That also leaves open the possibility that you call and she's like, You don't really need it.
[01:19:29]  And I know that because I can't do it.
[01:19:33]  If you needed it, I could.
[01:19:34]  You would go somewhere else.
[01:19:35]  Phrasing is strange.
[01:19:38]  Then there's Rashmi, who claims that she can channel not only Jesus Christ, literally, but also Shiva, Buddha, and many others.
[01:19:45]  She's got the whole panoply going, or panoply.
[01:19:48]  Unfortunately, the rest of their bios are pretty boring.
[01:19:50]  We can't just, unfortunately, can't just read their bios for the next hour, which I kind of hoped we could.
[01:19:54]  Also, it's just kind of hard to top a guy who specializes in talking to the goddamn Thundercats.

=== Free Yourself from Ego (09:12) ===

[01:20:01]  Yeah, but you know what?
[01:20:02]  They're mostly archaeologists and poets anyways.
[01:20:06]  What do you really want to do with that?
[01:20:07]  In theory.
[01:20:08]  Some of them offer psychic readings, some specialize in giving love advice, or reading tarot cards.
[01:20:13]  Some even claim that they can use Reiki energy to heal you over the phone, since it's all energy-based, and energy can travel over long distances.
[01:20:20]  So what's the deal?
[01:20:21]  He's got a good point.
[01:20:22]  Well, I'm not sure if he does.
[01:20:25]  Here's the thing.
[01:20:26]  A lot of the psychics he employs on this alien channeling hotline...
[01:20:32]  Have also appeared as guests on his show, being interviewed about their psychic gifts.
[01:20:36]  Of course.
[01:20:37]  Synergy!
[01:20:38]  On his October 6th, 2013 episode, he interviewed Rashmi, the psychic who can tell, if you want to do, you can talk to Jesus and Buddha through her.
[01:20:46]  He's had William Schaefer as a guest twice on his show.
[01:20:50]  And for $129 an hour, William can tell you everything that you need to know about yourself from reading from the Akashic Records.
[01:20:57]  This all seems very shady.
[01:20:59]  Yeah.
[01:21:00]  It's very upsetting.
[01:21:02]  So, what you're saying is that Carrie needs to do a counter-documentary about how shady he is, and then they'll cannibalize each other.
[01:21:11]  I think we are right now.
[01:21:12]  That's fair.
[01:21:13]  Actually, that's very fair.
[01:21:15]  So, okay.
[01:21:16]  But we don't have the great music, the great strings.
[01:21:19]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:21:20]  We could use the endgame theme.
[01:21:23]  So, alright.
[01:21:26]  Kevin Moore is operating a Miss Cleo-style psychic hotline, and he's possibly stealthily using his radio show to promote the people who offer services for money on it.
[01:21:35]  Right.
[01:21:35]  But at least he's not running around acting like he can contact otherworldly entities himself.
[01:21:40]  I mean, if this guy, he's making a documentary exposing the lies of Captain Mark Richards because he cares so much about maintaining the integrity of serious-minded, evidence-based researchers in his community, he wouldn't be doing something like that.
[01:21:55]  I hate to be the bearer of obvious news.
[01:21:58]  Yeah.
[01:21:58]  But on March 28th, 2015, Kevin started releasing videos of himself channeling a soul group known as The One.
[01:22:05]  Okay.
[01:22:06]  I've watched a number of his channeling videos.
[01:22:08]  Wait, like Barry Gordy soul group or like...
[01:22:10]  What does that mean?
[01:22:11]  Motown.
[01:22:12]  No.
[01:22:15]  Sorry.
[01:22:15]  Sorry for the deep Motown cut.
[01:22:18]  No, no.
[01:22:18]  I know who Barry Gordy is, but I just was like, what are you asking me?
[01:22:23]  The soul group.
[01:22:25]  I've watched a number of these channeling videos.
[01:22:28]  And all he's doing is talking with his eyes closed, bobbing his head a little bit, and appearing slightly strained.
[01:22:34]  It has the feeling of, you know how if you watch a band, the lead guitarist will make that pained look while they're doing a solo?
[01:22:40]  It really looks a lot like that.
[01:22:43]  In the first channeling session he released, the entities that were speaking through him seemed particularly interested in just kind of bragging about Kevin's channeling abilities, which I find a little bit strange.
[01:22:55]  We come to you.
[01:22:57]  As many.
[01:23:02]  The gift of Kevin is the gift to be able to channel multiple entities, multiple beings.
[01:23:16]  Sorry, I should have written this down.
[01:23:20]  And that is a true gift.
[01:23:25]  In this special time on planet Earth right now.
[01:23:30]  He doesn't need to change his voice.
[01:23:34]  Or act in a different way.
[01:23:36]  Oh, no.
[01:23:41]  All I hear there is him saying, I can't do characters.
[01:23:49]  That's all I hear.
[01:23:50]  I hear Andy Daly's L. Ron Hubbard all day.
[01:23:54]  I wrote this to myself, of myself, for myself.
[01:23:58]  He doesn't need to impress you with different voices for the aliens that come through him.
[01:24:02]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:24:03]  He's not done bragging.
[01:24:04]  I'm sorry.
[01:24:04]  The alien entities are not done bragging through him.
[01:24:07]  I have a problem with how not busy they are, apparently.
[01:24:10]  They do not need to get to the point.
[01:24:12]  No.
[01:24:14]  This is an agreement we have with him.
[01:24:18]  On a deeper level.
[01:24:24]  At a time beyond now.
[01:24:30]  Beyond the universe.
[01:24:32]  At the place where consciousness is.
[01:24:39]  Where is that?
[01:24:41]  I don't know.
[01:24:42]  It's all just this new-age bullshit.
[01:24:44]  Do they know?
[01:24:45]  No.
[01:24:46]  Oh, okay.
[01:24:46]  Because they're Kevin, and Kevin doesn't know shit.
[01:24:49]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:24:50]  So there's something pretty weird about these sorts of people who get into this kind of thing.
[01:24:54]  They just go on and on about how bad the ego is.
[01:24:57]  You've got to free yourself from ego.
[01:24:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:24:59]  And yet at the same time, I just find this dichotomy fascinating that the channeled entities that come through them really seem like they just want to stroke their egos.
[01:25:07]  It is strange, isn't it?
[01:25:08]  Yeah, and it goes on in this next clip.
[01:25:11]  We are most grateful for him agreeing.
[01:25:15]  To take us and himself on this courageous journey.
[01:25:21]  Why?
[01:25:24]  It has only just been a few months for him to know this truth about himself.
[01:25:36]  And he starts on a path now, an agreed path at a time beyond now.
[01:25:44]  When it was agreed upon that this would come at this time, this gift would be known.
[01:25:50]  He could have said no to this gift.
[01:25:53]  He could have walked away, but...
[01:25:55]  Sure sounds like he's a great guy.
[01:25:57]  He understood at the deepest part of his core the importance of the work that needs to be undertaken now at this, as we've said, special time on planet Earth.
[01:26:11]  In...
[01:26:15]  Yeah?
[01:26:16]  The universe.
[01:26:17]  The universe.
[01:26:23]  I really think that an actual other entity speaking through him would not have that kind of a pause.
[01:26:30]  Hey, it's channeling.
[01:26:33]  It's like a delay.
[01:26:34]  You know, whenever they're giving interviews, it's like a three-second delay.
[01:26:38]  It takes time.
[01:26:39]  Bullshit.
[01:26:40]  Crazy bullshit.
[01:26:41]  I have to...
[01:26:43]  The true gift is just having the flat-out balls to do this.
[01:26:50]  Absolutely.
[01:26:50]  That is crazy.
[01:26:52]  Absolutely.
[01:26:52]  Crazy!
[01:26:53]  It's brash.
[01:26:55]  And the fact that he's...
[01:26:56]  It's almost like...
[01:26:57]  You have to have a level of confidence that is unrivaled.
[01:27:02]  Unreal.
[01:27:02]  I can't even imagine.
[01:27:04]  No.
[01:27:04]  No chance.
[01:27:06]  Imagine even if...
[01:27:07]  And I assume that he's not reading this off a teleprompter or whatever.
[01:27:11]  He has his eyes closed, rocking back and forth.
[01:27:14]  Like, imagine you're also doing this extemporaneously without breaking into laughter at all.
[01:27:20]  I think he...
[01:27:20]  Well, he does smirk.
[01:27:22]  Okay, okay.
[01:27:23]  At a couple points.
[01:27:24]  Yeah.
[01:27:25]  So, there is that.
[01:27:27]  There is that.
[01:27:29]  I'm really fucking with you guys, and I don't know how to stop.
[01:27:33]  Well, I mean, it's one of those interesting things, too, that, like, channeling kind of has a built-in, like, self-defense switch.
[01:27:39]  Yeah.
[01:27:40]  Because you're like, you're talking to alien entities, and so you can be like, ah, Dan is actually a genius.
[01:27:45]  He's meant to save the world.
[01:27:47]  You know, I can just do that.
[01:27:48]  Yeah.
[01:27:49]  And then let's say you start heckling me in the middle of it.
[01:27:52]  And conceivably, aliens are talking through me.
[01:27:55]  That shouldn't affect me.
[01:27:56]  But there's the built-in excuse that that'll disrupt the stream with the aliens or whatever.
[01:28:01]  So there's all these little things that are built in in order to defend yourself from it ever really being verifiable in any way.
[01:28:09]  All this shit.
[01:28:10]  You know what's interesting is that this is one of those situations where...
[01:28:14]  The fact that he is such an awful performer is almost like a more authentic version, you know?
[01:28:22]  It helps me see that he's trying really hard.
[01:28:25]  If you want a treat, go watch some of these channeling videos.
[01:28:29]  This is insane.
[01:28:31]  They're crazy.
[01:28:31]  This is nuts.
[01:28:33]  So you might notice in that clip that these channeled entities mention that Kevin's only known about these gifts for a few months.
[01:28:39]  A few months!
[01:28:39]  Right, so that obviously makes you think.
[01:28:41]  When he was behind on the rent.
[01:28:43]  A few months ago.
[01:28:44]  Well, I mean, it does make you think about that.
[01:28:47]  What happened a couple months ago?
[01:28:49]  It's possibly unrelated, but in August 2014, which is about five months before this, Kevin started to make a ton of videos about Edgar Cayce.

=== Edgar Cayce's Prophecies (03:05) ===

[01:28:59]  From August to the end of that year, 19 out of the 31 videos he posted on his YouTube channel, not counting the two-part Best of 2014 series, were about Edgar Cayce.
[01:29:10]  For some context, his channel had existed, regularly posting videos about New Age and spiritualist topics for three years at that point, and he had released exactly zero videos about Edgar Cayce until then.
[01:29:24]  Clearly, the topic was a bit of a new obsession for him.
[01:29:27]  Edgar Cayce is the guy who's largely considered to be one of the founders of the New Age movement.
[01:29:32]  He was a real weirdo from the early 1900s who would channel higher-level entities while he was pretending to be asleep.
[01:29:38]  Then he'd pretend not to have any idea what he'd said once he woke up, and at a certain point in his career, everyone started writing down everything he said while he was pretending to be asleep, and he's become...
[01:29:47]  He's called the sleeping prophet, or the sleeping mystic.
[01:29:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:29:51]  He's a bit of a...
[01:29:52]  We'll get to it.
[01:29:53]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:29:53]  We could spend all day...
[01:29:55]  Dirt gently kind of situation.
[01:29:56]  We could spend all day going over Casey's nonsense, but I'll just give you a couple of the complete...
[01:30:01]  Bullshit prophecies that he made that should give you a sense of like, oh, alright.
[01:30:05]  He claimed that Atlantis had been destroyed by a death ray.
[01:30:08]  True.
[01:30:08]  And that in 1958, the U.S. would rediscover that death ray technology.
[01:30:12]  True.
[01:30:13]  He also prophesied that Atlantis would rise from the ocean in either 1968 or 1969, which it didn't.
[01:30:19]  Nice.
[01:30:20]  Yeah.
[01:30:21]  He predicted that California would fall into the ocean sometime in the 1960s.
[01:30:25]  That did happen.
[01:30:26]  Didn't.
[01:30:27]  Escape from L.A. I remember it.
[01:30:29]  That didn't happen in the 60s.
[01:30:31]  He famously predicted that 1933 would, quote, be a good year.
[01:30:39]  1933 is largely remembered as the year that Hitler became Chancellor of Germany.
[01:30:44]  And Nazism started to go wild.
[01:30:46]  That's a fun one.
[01:30:47]  That's a bad coincidence.
[01:30:49]  It was also the worst year of the Great Depression when unemployment topped 20%.
[01:30:52]  So by most metrics, 1933 was the definition of not a good year.
[01:30:57]  That's a really fun coincidence.
[01:30:59]  It's one of the worst years.
[01:31:00]  That is the funnest coincidence.
[01:31:02]  He prophesied a literal Armageddon would arrive in 1999, which it did not.
[01:31:07]  It almost did, though.
[01:31:08]  He predicted that Christianity would become the dominant religion in China by 1968.
[01:31:14]  Almost there.
[01:31:14]  This could not have been more wrong.
[01:31:16]  As of 2011, China was 2.6% Christian, and that 2.6% does not exist in a good relationship with the oppressive government.
[01:31:25]  No, they don't like it.
[01:31:27]  This list could go on and on, and we aren't even touching on the horrible medical advice that he would give out during these readings.
[01:31:33]  Oh, he gave out medical advice?
[01:31:34]  Yes, he fancied himself a doctor.
[01:31:35]  You know, that's, in fairness...
[01:31:38]  Pretty much everybody was shitty at medical advice back then.
[01:31:41]  Totally, but that's one of the things that people who have gone back and studied, people who channel stuff, one of the things that's fascinating about it is all of the entities seem to be stuck in the time frame and the understanding and conventional wisdom of whatever time period the person who's channeling the material is in.

=== Mystical Contradictions (06:34) ===

[01:31:56]  That does seem like you could just read a few articles and get close back then.
[01:32:01]  And then, mysteriously, there's also this thing where people are channeling entities, presumably from the same group or whatever.
[01:32:07]  And they give contradictory information.
[01:32:09]  It's almost as if everybody's making all this stuff up.
[01:32:12]  You know, I did find it weird that in Scientology they looked a lot like B-52 bombers.
[01:32:19]  Doesn't that seem suspicious?
[01:32:20]  They should have looked like the B-52s.
[01:32:23]  Fred Schneider.
[01:32:25]  So what's important here is that in August 2014, Kevin Moore started making a ton of videos about Edgar Cayce and interviewing people about him.
[01:32:34]  And then a couple months later, he coincidentally discovers amazing channeling abilities and he uses them to talk to entities who have important messages for humanity that only he can reveal.
[01:32:44]  But it's not like these things are connected or anything.
[01:32:47]  That's just me taking two separate things and pretending they're related.
[01:32:50]  I might be doing that.
[01:32:52]  Or I might have watched a ton of his channeling videos and heard him say this.
[01:32:58]  I am just tuning into this body.
[01:33:07]  Yes.
[01:33:12]  Cool.
[01:33:14]  I have lived on this planet before.
[01:33:17]  I bet I know who it is.
[01:33:19]  A long time ago.
[01:33:21]  Dan.
[01:33:21]  Do I know who it is?
[01:33:27]  I have left a foundation on this planet a long time ago.
[01:33:37]  Some of you would have known me as Casey.
[01:33:41]  I did know.
[01:33:42]  Edgar Casey.
[01:33:46]  And I am one of the guides that come through Kevin.
[01:33:52]  I don't normally come through for this.
[01:33:57]  I've been there with him for his books.
[01:34:00]  And I also come through on different situations.
[01:34:07]  But just to pop in to say hello.
[01:34:12]  Hello!
[01:34:17]  Just popping in to say hello, guys.
[01:34:20]  I'm traveling through space and time.
[01:34:23]  Even this one is like...
[01:34:25]  Man, I don't usually come around.
[01:34:27]  But this Kevin dude is the fucking best!
[01:34:30]  I don't usually do this.
[01:34:31]  I don't usually do this.
[01:34:33]  And I was there for all of his books, so they're really credible.
[01:34:36]  It really does impart credibility.
[01:34:38]  I was there.
[01:34:39]  I was there.
[01:34:39]  I helped him with those books.
[01:34:40]  I also come through some other times, but whatever.
[01:34:43]  I'm not going to talk about that.
[01:34:44]  I find it incredibly fascinating that Edgar Cayce is like this...
[01:34:49]  Disease that spreads through New Age communities.
[01:34:52]  It's kind of like that Jerusalem Syndrome thing where some people go to Jerusalem and they end up thinking that they're Jesus.
[01:34:59]  It's just something.
[01:35:00]  It's a phenomenon that happens.
[01:35:02]  People don't quite understand exactly why.
[01:35:05]  People who are kind of unhinged and maybe a little bit ambitious, they get involved in the New Age stuff, they interact with his material a little bit, read some of his stuff, and then they start to think they are him.
[01:35:21]  You've got this Kevin Moore who's pretending that he has Edgar Cayce talking through him.
[01:35:26]  In the same way David Wilcox has made a career off saying that he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.
[01:35:33]  It's just this frequent thing where these con artists use him in order to reinforce and add legitimacy to their scams.
[01:35:43]  It's almost like they are being conned from beyond the grave.
[01:35:51]  If there is any metaphysical thing going on here, I would not doubt that it is Edgar Cayce fucking with Edgar Cayce.
[01:36:02]  If he had a ghost, that ghost would be conning people left and right.
[01:36:07]  And he would do it in the same way, via flattery.
[01:36:10]  So maybe he is channeling Edgar Cayce, and Cayce is fucking with him.
[01:36:15]  Like, hey man, you're so great.
[01:36:17]  I love it.
[01:36:18]  You're the best channeler ever.
[01:36:19]  You're so good at it.
[01:36:21]  I don't know.
[01:36:22]  So, um...
[01:36:24]  This dude is a grade-A scammer.
[01:36:26]  His history shows a real pattern of using New Age beliefs and spiritualism as a business model.
[01:36:31]  He runs a psychic hotline, and he's tried to establish himself as a super important medium who's channeling critical messages for humanity coming from Edgar Cayce, as well as other less recognizably named entities.
[01:36:44]  When it suited his purpose, he's been perfectly willing to unquestionably platform Joanne Richards and Carrie Cassidy and allow them to spread misinformation about Mark Richards, even going out of his way to help them deflect from the criticism that Mark is a murderer.
[01:36:58]  And now that's all changed, and he's a heroic crusader who's going to stand up for fact-based investigators in the New Age world and expose Mark, Joanne, and Carrie.
[01:37:08]  I'm sure you can see how this feels like it's complete bullshit.
[01:37:12]  His motivation can't be that he's offended by what they're saying because he's been a part of saying literally the same things.
[01:37:18]  He can't be interested in defending rigorously researched and fact-based investigations in alternative communities because Mark Richards being a secret space captain has exactly as much proof attached to it as him channeling Edgar Cayce.
[01:37:31]  Something is up here, and I think I might have accidentally stumbled onto a clue as to what it is.
[01:37:37]  Obviously, I can't prove anything, but I have a bit of suspicion that Kevin Moore is not making this documentary out of a concern for the truth, nor even out of just a sincere desire to tell this completely insane and awesome story of Mark Richards.
[01:37:50]  Is he even making the documentary?
[01:37:52]  He is.
[01:37:53]  Okay.
[01:37:53]  As best I can tell.
[01:37:54]  I mean, he made a trailer.
[01:37:55]  Yeah, well, Fyre Festival made a trailer.
[01:37:59]  That's a good point.
[01:38:01]  I believe that he's motivated by jealousy.
[01:38:03]  When Kevin interviewed Rashmi, the psychic hotline employee who can talk to Jesus and Buddha, he brings up a particular lament that I found very interesting.

=== I Deserve to Be Bigger (15:29) ===

[01:38:12]  I mean, obviously, you know, the hard thing about this type of work as well.
[01:38:17]  Well, I say hard.
[01:38:18]  You know, you may answer it quite differently.
[01:38:20]  But for myself, you know, doing a show like I do with what I call amazing guests like yourself coming on.
[01:38:28]  What I call it.
[01:38:29]  It really is.
[01:38:30]  It's heart-wrenching that we just can't get on bigger networks, that the mainstreams feel that these type of shows are not audience-driving traffic.
[01:38:42]  And it's such a shame, because I think, Pete, that there is an awakening.
[01:38:46]  People are ready.
[01:38:47]  So, you can kind of see an expression of, I deserve to be bigger than I am.
[01:38:54]  Yeah.
[01:38:55]  And it's just bullshit that we can't get on bigger networks.
[01:38:57]  I have great guests.
[01:38:58]  I do this show.
[01:38:59]  I think I'm pretty great, as evidenced by my later channeling work.
[01:39:03]  Kevin Moore's YouTube channel, his primary means of distributing his material, has 63,000 subscribers, which I can see is nothing to sneeze at.
[01:39:11]  No!
[01:39:12]  That's nothing to sneeze at.
[01:39:13]  That's a lot!
[01:39:14]  Project Camelot.
[01:39:14]  More than we have.
[01:39:15]  Totally.
[01:39:16]  Do we even have a YouTube page?
[01:39:18]  We do, but I haven't posted on it in a very long time.
[01:39:20]  Project Camelot has approximately 230,000 subscribers, almost four times Kevin's audience.
[01:39:27]  Some of his videos get a few thousand views, but some of them, like an interview about robots that he did three weeks ago, currently sits at 834 views.
[01:39:36]  His 2018 interview with Carrie Cassidy has over 32,000 views, well over the average on his channel.
[01:39:42]  You can clearly see that it drives traffic.
[01:39:45]  Project Camelot is a larger entity and a bigger thing than him.
[01:39:49]  Kevin recently did an Indiegogo campaign to make a documentary about how channelers are totally real, which seems kind of like it's across purposes for someone who runs a psychic hotline.
[01:39:59]  Kind of makes that documentary feel like it's a bit of an extended commercial, but whatever.
[01:40:04]  In the time that the campaign was active, it eclipsed its goal of reaching $15,000, ending up with just a little bit over $27,000.
[01:40:13]  But what I find suspicious is that this total came from only 82 donors, which is an average of about 300 per person.
[01:40:22]  There are red flags all over this crowdfunding campaign, but I won't bore you with the numbers.
[01:40:27]  I did some weird math, and some of it just does not make sense.
[01:40:31]  There's all kinds of people who didn't claim reward tier prizes or anything.
[01:40:36]  So that leads me to believe that a lot of them were lower donations than the lowest tier.
[01:40:43]  And the lowest tier is $25.
[01:40:45]  So there's probably a lot of them who were below $25.
[01:40:48]  So we have $80 below $25 and $20,000.
[01:40:54]  He has 29 prizes.
[01:40:57]  Out of those 82 people that were actually claimed.
[01:41:01]  Yeah, and two guys got them all.
[01:41:02]  Right.
[01:41:03]  So anyway, it's very strange.
[01:41:06]  And there's a lot of reasons to have...
[01:41:09]  Some suspicion about what's going on there.
[01:41:11]  But no matter what the case is, even if everything is above board, that's still only 82 people who want him to make his documentary.
[01:41:18]  Compare that to Carrie's failed Indiegogo from 2015, where she was trying to raise $100,000 to start a TV network.
[01:41:25]  Love you, Carrie.
[01:41:26]  Keep shooting for the stars.
[01:41:27]  That one might have failed largely due to pure hubris.
[01:41:31]  Yeah.
[01:41:31]  But she had 189 people donate, over twice what Kevin pulled in.
[01:41:37]  Strangely, Kevin's also running a GoFundMe campaign to get his two documentaries made, the Mark Richards one and the one about channelers.
[01:41:43]  And to launch, he also wants to launch the International Spiritual News Network.
[01:41:47]  So he also wants a TV network.
[01:41:49]  The campaign on GoFundMe has only raised 527 pounds from 19 donors in five months.
[01:41:57]  I'm not trying to suggest that Kevin is getting dark money or anything like that.
[01:42:01]  That's nonsense.
[01:42:02]  I'm suggesting that it looks very possible that the donations he got from his Indiegogo campaign came from a sponsor, most likely Ozark Mountain Publishing, a New Age book distributor that Kevin has acknowledged as a sponsor regularly in the past and who runs ads on his show.
[01:42:16]  It seems entirely possible that he launched the crowdfunding for his documentaries, no one was interested, and his sponsor stepped in to create the appearance of demand.
[01:42:25]  I have a strong suspicion that Kevin Moore is not motivated by preserving truth.
[01:42:29]  Everything I've seen gives me the strong indication that a much more likely explanation for all of this is that Kevin wants to take over Carrie Cassidy's share of the new age bullshit market.
[01:42:39]  This feels like the equivalent of a situation where a mobster is extorting a store owner who is then killed by another way worse mobster.
[01:42:47]  Yeah, sure.
[01:42:48]  You got rid of the mobster extorting the store owner, but you only did that so you could prey on that store owner yourself.
[01:42:54]  Yeah, so Kevin is Marley.
[01:42:56]  Yeah.
[01:42:57]  Yeah.
[01:42:57]  At least that's the sense I get.
[01:43:00]  Yeah.
[01:43:00]  Or a British guy who can channel Edgar Cayce and has been running an exorbitantly priced psychic hotline for the better part of a decade, sincerely cares about misinformation being spread in the New Age community, even though he was an active participant in spreading the exact same misinformation and seemed to support Cary Caskey spreading it less than a year ago.
[01:43:17]  Right.
[01:43:18]  And I guess you just got to decide for yourself.
[01:43:21]  Equally possible explanations.
[01:43:23]  I am dead center.
[01:43:26]  50 on one side, 50 on the other side, Dan.
[01:43:29]  Uh-huh.
[01:43:29]  I feel like...
[01:43:32]  One of the main things that I come away from all this with is, like, get the fuck out of here, Kevin.
[01:43:39]  Yeah, get the fuck out of here, Kevin.
[01:43:41]  We are the ones who get the critique carried.
[01:43:48]  Except we didn't look into your marriage status, asshole.
[01:43:51]  At least we're better than that.
[01:43:54]  Like to laugh at Carrie and enjoy and have fun, and then whenever she says things that are like, uh-oh, that sounds Nazi-ish, we complain and condemn her for that.
[01:44:04]  But there's no, like, this is such bullshit for one reason, one reason only.
[01:44:08]  Like, even the very idea of what he's doing is so stupid.
[01:44:12]  Because...
[01:44:13]  There's no way that you're going to make this documentary about Mark Richards and then people are going to be like, oh my god, Project Camelot is bullshit.
[01:44:21]  We're going to go and be smart now.
[01:44:24]  And head over to a channeler.
[01:44:26]  It's not going to happen.
[01:44:28]  You're not going to turn people into like...
[01:44:31]  People who actually read books at that point.
[01:44:33]  Right.
[01:44:33]  What you're going to do is make a vacuum in their life.
[01:44:37]  Whatever guru vacuum is there, and you're hoping that enough of them will come over to you that'll fill that gap there.
[01:44:44]  Yeah.
[01:44:44]  It's kind of a bummer, but at the same time, I'm fascinated by, like, you know...
[01:44:49]  Just bringing those channeling videos into my life was a delight, Dan.
[01:44:53]  Thank you.
[01:44:53]  I mean, if you don't look into any of this stuff, like I didn't initially, you just see this documentary for this, or this trailer for the documentary, and you're like, fuck yes!
[01:45:02]  Yeah, I totally thought that.
[01:45:04]  And I wasn't going to look into it.
[01:45:07]  You run the very serious risk of endorsing someone because you like the idea of this documentary instead of looking at what's going on here and realizing he runs a psychic hotline and he thinks he can channel entities and he's just as bad, if not worse.
[01:45:24]  I think he's absolutely worse than Carrie, at least for that channeling hotline.
[01:45:28]  The idea that he runs a $100 an hour minimum psychic hotline is crazy.
[01:45:36]  Like, that to me is funneling your audience towards something so much more destructive than just the stupid ideas that Carrie pimps.
[01:45:46]  And then maybe her hilarious album, you know?
[01:45:49]  Oh, I want to listen to that album again.
[01:45:51]  He can't possibly make that much money from the Psychic Hotline, right?
[01:45:54]  I assume not.
[01:45:56]  He can't possibly make that much money.
[01:45:58]  I don't know, but it doesn't matter to me.
[01:46:01]  That's insane.
[01:46:01]  If he doesn't make a lot of money off it, it's not for lack of trying.
[01:46:06]  Right, that's true.
[01:46:06]  And it's not anything that he's not doing.
[01:46:09]  Right.
[01:46:09]  Like, he's doing everything exactly as he needs to do it to be a big pile of shit making a...
[01:46:17]  Right, so you're just ruining a small business owner's life, Dan.
[01:46:22]  That's what you're doing right now.
[01:46:24]  He's an entrepreneur.
[01:46:26]  He's trying to build something from the ground up.
[01:46:29]  So you've been on a bit of a ride.
[01:46:30]  What are your thoughts?
[01:46:31]  I mean, I think that you probably agree with me.
[01:46:34]  I don't want to put those words in your mouth, but you've been nodding.
[01:46:38]  That he's a scammer and full of shit?
[01:46:40]  Yeah, of course.
[01:46:41]  I mean, come on.
[01:46:43]  Anybody...
[01:46:45]  God, those channeling videos.
[01:46:47]  I wanted to play so many more of them, but they're so long.
[01:46:50]  They mean nothing.
[01:46:52]  I swear to you, even if it was proven factually correct that he was channeling, I'd still be out on that dude, because fuck that.
[01:47:03]  Fuck those videos.
[01:47:04]  You're just bad at it.
[01:47:06]  Just say you're bad at channeling.
[01:47:08]  Do you feel similarly weirdly defensive?
[01:47:12]  About Carrie?
[01:47:13]  Yeah.
[01:47:14]  No, because Carrie was real mad in that clip of the interview that you played with her and him whenever he just brought up...
[01:47:23]  The fact that Mark Richards murdered somebody.
[01:47:26]  And she just cut him off over and over and over again.
[01:47:29]  I thought that was rude.
[01:47:30]  I don't think...
[01:47:30]  Well, she's sweary-carry.
[01:47:32]  She's kind of rude.
[01:47:33]  She is kind of rude.
[01:47:34]  But she's our rude.
[01:47:36]  She's our friend.
[01:47:38]  What?
[01:47:40]  See, this is the difference between you getting so deep into this, listening to hours upon hours upon hours of...
[01:47:49]  Swear you carry on Project Camelot.
[01:47:51]  And then me just hearing what you show me.
[01:47:53]  I don't develop the same emotional connection.
[01:47:56]  But I also think, okay, that's fine.
[01:47:58]  And I don't actually have that much of an emotional connection.
[01:48:02]  Don't step it back now.
[01:48:03]  Own it.
[01:48:04]  Feel your feelings, Dan.
[01:48:06]  Nobody's judging you.
[01:48:07]  I don't have those feelings, but I do feel protective a little bit.
[01:48:11]  But one of the big reasons is that I see much more craft.
[01:48:17]  On Kevin's part.
[01:48:18]  I see much more malice and intent on his part.
[01:48:23]  What he wants to do with this stuff doesn't strike me as positive.
[01:48:29]  And he also seems like he's probably a lot more enterprising and a lot more capable.
[01:48:35]  Carrie has probably gotten to the height that she can ever get to.
[01:48:39]  She made a...
[01:48:41]  Like a pilot for a TV, like a true TV show.
[01:48:44]  And then she does these YouTube videos where everything glitches all the time and dogs bark in the background and she talks to people who lie to her about space.
[01:48:52]  Yeah.
[01:48:52]  There's a certain charm to that in as much as I don't feel worried about it.
[01:48:56]  You want some wide-eyed innocence and a healthy dose of incompetence.
[01:49:01]  I don't necessarily even think that it's innocent.
[01:49:03]  Don't put that word in my mouth.
[01:49:05]  But it does seem impotent.
[01:49:06]  It seems like...
[01:49:08]  It can't spiral out of control that much further.
[01:49:11]  Right, right.
[01:49:12]  You know, I do think he could.
[01:49:14]  I think he could.
[01:49:16]  Carrie doesn't put videos out of herself fucking channeling people.
[01:49:20]  Right, right.
[01:49:20]  That's true.
[01:49:21]  That is presumptuous.
[01:49:26]  See, on the other hand...
[01:49:28]  It's bold.
[01:49:29]  Someone who could put multiple videos of themselves out...
[01:49:34]  Channeling things?
[01:49:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:49:35]  I don't know what you're capable of.
[01:49:37]  Right.
[01:49:38]  I think, on the other hand, he seems most likely to overreach and then implode.
[01:49:44]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[01:49:45]  I think he is with this documentary.
[01:49:46]  Well, yeah, of course.
[01:49:47]  Because, I mean, the people who like Project Camelot are not going to...
[01:49:51]  You know, Carrie's mounting a defense against him.
[01:49:54]  And, you know, I don't think...
[01:49:55]  No matter what he...
[01:49:56]  That's the other thing.
[01:49:57]  Yeah.
[01:49:57]  That's the other thing about why this is fucking stupid.
[01:50:00]  If you intend to cast a light on these misinformation parts of the space community or whatever, what the fuck are you doing this for?
[01:50:11]  Quite honestly, you're going to make this documentary and then everyone is going to think you're a deep state operative or whatever.
[01:50:17]  It's a world that has built-in defenses against any kind of truth-telling.
[01:50:23]  And you know that.
[01:50:24]  You're a part of that fucking world.
[01:50:25]  You know that that's the end result of this.
[01:50:27]  So that means, to me, That being presented as his motive for this is a little suspicious.
[01:50:35]  Yeah, especially since...
[01:50:36]  Ostensibly, the people that he would be marketing this documentary to would be people who are interested in...
[01:50:43]  Finding out that Captain Mark Richards is a fucking murderer.
[01:50:46]  Right.
[01:50:47]  And all of the details behind that.
[01:50:49]  And that type of person isn't going to go, ha ha ha, you got her.
[01:50:53]  Now, let's go over and see what your psychic has to say.
[01:50:56]  I don't know.
[01:50:57]  I'm going to need to sit with the feelings a little bit longer to really know where the feeling comes from.
[01:51:03]  But there is definite...
[01:51:05]  Smash cut, Dan is married to Carrie in two years.
[01:51:07]  It's not going to happen.
[01:51:10]  I don't date long distance.
[01:51:14]  Space.
[01:51:16]  Look, I don't know.
[01:51:17]  I mean, the feeling that I...
[01:51:19]  It's not a defense of Carrie for her own sake.
[01:51:26]  It's a defense based on what the offense is.
[01:51:30]  Yeah.
[01:51:30]  And the offense is bullshit.
[01:51:31]  Anybody being the target of something like this, I would probably be like, this doesn't seem sincere.
[01:51:37]  Right.
[01:51:37]  No matter what.
[01:51:39]  I don't know.
[01:51:40]  It is always kind of funny, the idea of, like, intersect battles in space communities and stuff like that.
[01:51:47]  We could take an external view and be like, all right, all right.
[01:51:52]  But if I do want to see one survive, it's obviously Project Camelot.
[01:51:55]  Oh, of course.
[01:51:56]  There's much funnier territory there.
[01:51:58]  So, sorry, Kevin.
[01:52:00]  I'll probably still watch your documentary, but I'm going to stream it illegally.
[01:52:04]  Yeah.
[01:52:05]  I'm not giving you a dime, asshole.
[01:52:08]  Fuck off!
[01:52:09]  Stop trying to be an asshole to our friends over at Project Camel.
[01:52:12]  Although I will give you a call and see what Jesus is up to, but I need a discount.
[01:52:16]  Yeah.
[01:52:17]  So anyway, we'll be back on Friday with a new episode.
[01:52:21]  Indeed we will.
[01:52:21]  That actually is about Alex Jones.
[01:52:24]  Yeah.
[01:52:24]  But this has been a fun diversion.
[01:52:26]  It's been fantastic.
[01:52:27]  Thank you.
[01:52:29]  We have a website.
[01:52:30]  We do have a website.
[01:52:30]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:52:32]  You can also get a psychic reading on knowledgefight.com.
[01:52:34]  You cannot get a psychic reading.
[01:52:36]  $700 an hour.
[01:52:37]  I will channel the dog of beans.
[01:52:39]  Don't say that.
[01:52:40]  And they will give you investment advice.
[01:52:44]  The capitalist dog aliens will tell you about the space stock market.
[01:52:47]  Are we sure they're any good at it?
[01:52:49]  Space stocks.
[01:52:50]  Space stocks.
[01:52:52]  Yeah, you could do that or you could get a shirt or go to the Patreon page.
[01:52:57]  We've got to shut the fuck up right now because space stocks is a perfect idea for us.
[01:53:04]  How would anyone ever confirm or deny the value going up or down?
[01:53:08]  You have complete control of the narrative.
[01:53:10]  I predict someone will eventually try and pull this game like that.
[01:53:14]  Oh, for sure.
[01:53:15]  Oh, what about like resource futures in like asteroids?
[01:53:18]  I thought that might already exist.

=== I Resonate She Never Killed Anyone (01:17) ===

[01:53:20]  No, that one's already been done.
[01:53:21]  That one probably already exists.
[01:53:22]  That one probably got done in the 20s.
[01:53:24]  Yeah, probably.
[01:53:26]  Asimov was writing about mining asteroids back then.
[01:53:29]  For sure somebody bought that hook, line, and sinker.
[01:53:31]  But like futures?
[01:53:33]  Trading?
[01:53:34]  Yeah.
[01:53:34]  All right.
[01:53:35]  Anyway, we have Twitter.
[01:53:36]  You could trade.
[01:53:37]  It is.
[01:53:38]  At Knowledge Fight.
[01:53:39]  And I'm at GoToBetJordan.
[01:53:44]  Yep.
[01:53:44]  We're also on Facebook.
[01:53:44]  We are on Facebook.
[01:53:46]  What else do we do?
[01:53:47]  iTunes.
[01:53:48]  We are on iTunes.
[01:53:49]  And many other podcasting apps, we are told.
[01:53:52]  Yes.
[01:53:53]  Also, as we end this, I gotta say, Jordan.
[01:53:57]  What do you gotta say?
[01:53:57]  I have to say.
[01:53:58]  What do you gotta say?
[01:54:00]  The archaeologist feline space contessa.
[01:54:03]  Gorgeous.
[01:54:04]  Has never killed anybody.
[01:54:05]  We do not know that.
[01:54:06]  I can tell you that my spirit resonates that she has never killed anybody.
[01:54:11]  I'm gonna channel her.
[01:54:12]  Just done archaeological digs trying to figure out cat aliens passed on Earth.
[01:54:17]  Gonna channel her.
[01:54:17]  And it's a respectable goal and it contributes to the totality of information in the universe and I respect that she's never killed anybody.
[01:54:26]  That's a good call.
[01:54:26]  One guy who technically probably has.
[01:54:29]  is Alex Jones.
[01:54:30]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:54:32]  Thanks for holding.
[01:54:34]  Hello, Alex.
[01:54:35]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:54:36]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:54:37]  I love your work.