Knowledge Fight - #268: December 17-18, 2012
Aired: 2019-02-25
Duration: 02:00:44


=== Cardinal Confession (03:12) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:09]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:09]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:00:14]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:15]  Jordan.
[00:00:16]  Dan?
[00:00:16]  Jordan.
[00:00:18]  What type of bird would you be if you had to be a bird?
[00:00:22]  I feel like it would be wrong of me to say anything other than Cardinal, seeing as I'm from Missouri.
[00:00:28]  Gotta love our baseball there.
[00:00:29]  You know, all my friends are big Redbirds fans.
[00:00:32]  Yeah.
[00:00:32]  So I should probably say Cardinal.
[00:00:33]  You should probably say Cardinal.
[00:00:34]  But then I could piss everybody off in Missouri by saying Oriole or Blue Jay.
[00:00:40]  Do people in Missouri care about Baltimore and Toronto?
[00:00:43]  I'm not sure they do.
[00:00:44]  I just think of other baseball teams that are birds.
[00:00:46]  I don't know.
[00:00:47]  I mean, I don't want to be a bird, so I'd choose a Cardinal just because that seems like there's an other consideration.
[00:00:52]  You don't want to be a bird?
[00:00:54]  Fuck no.
[00:00:54]  You've never wanted to fly?
[00:00:56]  No.
[00:00:56]  Birds are dumb.
[00:00:57]  Flying to windows all the time and stuff.
[00:00:59]  It seems like not a very fun life.
[00:01:00]  See, now we've learned a lot about you.
[00:01:02]  Well, I also don't like seeds all that much.
[00:01:05]  Like sunflower seeds don't charm me.
[00:01:07]  It's like whatever they eat and like suet looks gross.
[00:01:10]  You are not focusing on the positives of being a bird here.
[00:01:13]  You can fly.
[00:01:14]  Fine.
[00:01:14]  Whoopty shit.
[00:01:15]  Come on!
[00:01:16]  The skies are yours!
[00:01:17]  Yeah, but you gotta eat seeds.
[00:01:19]  And the flying is clearly too much of a risk.
[00:01:21]  You run into things all the time.
[00:01:22]  You gotta take risks to live a rich, full life, Dan.
[00:01:26]  Nah.
[00:01:27]  Okay, fair enough.
[00:01:28]  When I used to work at Walgreens over on Western, it was some of the worst times of my life here in Chicago.
[00:01:34]  I had just moved to town.
[00:01:35]  Everything was going bad.
[00:01:37]  Stand-up was not going well.
[00:01:39]  The job sucked.
[00:01:40]  I was miserable.
[00:01:40]  But I couldn't leave it because I needed to pay rent and stuff.
[00:01:43]  So one day I'm out on a smoke break.
[00:01:46]  I'm in front of the store smoking a cigarette and a bird falls out of the sky in front of me dead.
[00:01:55]  It was at that moment I realized I did not want to be a bird.
[00:01:59]  I don't want to work at Walgreens anymore.
[00:02:01]  That is exactly...
[00:02:02]  When Bernie was giving that big speech and the bird landed on the podium and just kind of hung out there and everyone was like, oh my god!
[00:02:09]  If a bird had just suddenly fallen and died, we all would have been like, nah, this Bernie guy isn't for us.
[00:02:14]  It really was like a...
[00:02:16]  It was like someone who was writing a story.
[00:02:19]  Yeah.
[00:02:19]  I'm depressed.
[00:02:20]  I'm having a real bad time.
[00:02:21]  Even birds are dying when they get around how sad your life is.
[00:02:25]  No good.
[00:02:27]  See, I don't want to be a bird.
[00:02:28]  Okay, all right.
[00:02:29]  But I do want to know more about Alex Jones.
[00:02:33]  I mean, I already know quite a bit.
[00:02:34]  Yeah, and I only know what you tell me, so I need you to learn more in order for me to learn more.
[00:02:39]  And that's what this show's about.
[00:02:40]  Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over today, but before we get to that, I need to give a shout-out to a couple of new people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
[00:02:48]  So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Connor.
[00:02:50]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:02:52]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:02:53]  Thank you, Connor.
[00:02:54]  Thank you very much, Cardinal Connor.
[00:02:56]  Could be.

=== Policy Wonks Join In (02:24) ===

[00:02:57]  Yeah.
[00:02:57]  Next, Monchichi.
[00:02:59]  Thank you so much.
[00:03:00]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:02]  Thank you so much.
[00:03:03]  Next, Will.
[00:03:04]  Thank you.
[00:03:05]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:06]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:07]  Thank you, Will.
[00:03:08]  Thank you, Will.
[00:03:09]  Next, Michael.
[00:03:10]  Thank you so much.
[00:03:11]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:03:12]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:13]  Thank you, Michael.
[00:03:14]  Thank you very much, Michael.
[00:03:15]  Next, Piss Tape Granddad.
[00:03:17]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:03:18]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:20]  Thank you, Piss Tape Grandad.
[00:03:22]  I'm sure we've met many a time at conventions.
[00:03:25]  Sure.
[00:03:25]  And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who joined up on a little bit of an elevated level.
[00:03:29]  We appreciate it oh so very much.
[00:03:31]  So, Sherry, thank you so much.
[00:03:34]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:03:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:03:38]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:03:40]  Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:03:42]  Daddy Shark.
[00:03:44]  Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:03:49]  He's a loser little titty baby.
[00:03:52]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:03:54]  I love Jesus Christ.
[00:03:56]  Thank you so much, Sherry.
[00:03:57]  Thank you very much, Sherry.
[00:03:58]  If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do.
[00:04:01]  I'd like to support their efforts.
[00:04:02]  You can do that by going to our website.
[00:04:04]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[00:04:05]  There's a button on there that says support the show, and we would appreciate it.
[00:04:08]  Indeed we would.
[00:04:09]  So Jordan, today what we're doing is we are staying in 2012.
[00:04:14]  Oh man.
[00:04:14]  And we are continuing the investigation into what happened in Alex Jones' coverage after Sandy Hook.
[00:04:20]  And I know that this is three episodes in a row.
[00:04:22]  We haven't done three episodes in the same year in a row in a year.
[00:04:26]  Yeah, it's a little wild.
[00:04:27]  One of the reasons it has been three episodes in a row is we're getting into the investigation.
[00:04:31]  I think it's important for us to find our feet.
[00:04:33]  You know, find our base before we have breaks in between the episodes where we're developing the themes, we're learning more.
[00:04:41]  We need to get our, you know, groundstone in place.
[00:04:46]  Currently all our base belong to them.
[00:04:48]  Right.
[00:04:49]  Now that is not to say that we will only be doing, you know...
[00:04:53]  It's not like the next five, ten episodes are all going to be Sandy Hook investigation episodes.
[00:04:58]  But for now, it, you know, I don't know what I'm trying to say, but, you know, it's three in a row.
[00:05:05]  Three in a row?

=== Operation Gladio Controversy (15:20) ===

[00:05:06]  Is that what, that was all you were trying to say, isn't it?
[00:05:08]  Three in a row.
[00:05:09]  I guess so.
[00:05:10]  There was a lot more to go on.
[00:05:11]  Felt like I had a point, and then I started talking, and I didn't.
[00:05:14]  That's what happened.
[00:05:15]  Happens sometimes.
[00:05:16]  That does happen sometimes.
[00:05:17]  So today, Jordan, we're going to be going over December 17th and 18th.
[00:05:21]  Last we left off, we covered the Sunday show on the 16th, and Alex was, it seemed like he had found his moral center, and that was defending guns.
[00:05:31]  Right.
[00:05:32]  And now we have the Monday show, so it's back to the regular week.
[00:05:36]  And you wonder if that's going to change anything, if that's going to have a different feel than his Sunday show.
[00:05:41]  And I'll say a lot of it is still just about defending guns.
[00:05:45]  Yeah, I'm not surprised by that.
[00:05:47]  I'm not surprised that any time there's a threat to guns, he's going to spend the next week being like, people get killed all the time by knives and shit.
[00:05:57]  But there are some interesting developments that go along the way, some interesting pieces of his rhetoric that enter the conversation that haven't so much in the past.
[00:06:06]  And it's interesting because this gave me an opportunity to look into them a little bit more.
[00:06:09]  And his first clip is actually a great example of that.
[00:06:12]  Alex trying to reinforce his insinuation that the government probably did Sandy Hook.
[00:06:18]  Without full-throatedly saying it.
[00:06:21]  Okay.
[00:06:21]  As we've heard so far, he's compared it to all these other things that he believes are fake, whether it's the Aurora shooting, whether it's Kaczynski, that sort of stuff.
[00:06:31]  And now he pulls up an interesting piece of history to bring it to the conversation.
[00:06:37]  There are some government operations where they've been caught red-handed staging mass shootings, especially in Europe, where our own government staged them via Operation Gladio and the NATO option.
[00:06:48]  That has been declassified.
[00:06:49]  That program went on from the 50s into the 1980s, including mass shootings at schools, train stations, blowing up school buses, shooting up school buses, and was used to take guns all over Europe.
[00:07:03]  And it has been declassified, partially by the U.S., completely by the Italians, that it was staged to take the liberties and disarm the people.
[00:07:12]  So this could be an Operation Gladio Op.
[00:07:17]  Could have been.
[00:07:19]  Operation Ajax was mass shootings to take the guns in Iran.
[00:07:22]  In 1953, our government with the British shot up a bunch of mosques and then paid the Muslim leadership to call for gun confiscation.
[00:07:31]  So there's been a lot of different things that have happened.
[00:07:33]  This fits the MO of it.
[00:07:36]  You have a mass guy come in, shoot the people.
[00:07:38]  They exfiltrate.
[00:07:41]  And then, of course, you have the drugged-up patsy you shoot in the head.
[00:07:44]  You can kind of get the sense of what he's trying to insinuate with his talk of Operation Gladio and Operation Ajax.
[00:07:51]  Nobody ever brings up Operation Sajak, though, because it's very random.
[00:07:56]  It is.
[00:07:57]  Yeah, you just go around the wheel.
[00:07:58]  You never know.
[00:07:59]  Never know.
[00:08:00]  You never know.
[00:08:00]  Go bankrupt playing that operation.
[00:08:02]  Absolutely.
[00:08:03]  So, whenever Alex wants to suggest some kind of tragedy is fake and he needs to prove that what he's saying isn't ludicrous.
[00:08:09]  Because if he just wants to not have any real defensibility, he can point to his Aurora shooting narrative and stuff like that.
[00:08:15]  And that's good enough for most of the time.
[00:08:17]  But when he needs to appear like he's not being crazy, he'll inevitably bring up Operation Gladio and, with less regularity, Operation Ajax.
[00:08:25]  Both of these were ops that were clandestine operations that the government was involved in to an extent.
[00:08:31]  They're both fucked up pieces of our history.
[00:08:33]  But if you take a closer look at them...
[00:08:35]  You'll see that neither of them really help reinforce the point that he's trying to make, namely that the United States government is perfectly fine with killing their own civilians in order to take Alex's guns.
[00:08:46]  Operation Gladio refers to the stay-behind networks that were put in place in countries throughout Europe after World War II.
[00:08:52]  The reasoning for creating these secret units was obviously that they were worried about the Soviet Union and their Warsaw Pact allies invading.
[00:08:59]  And having people in place in the countries involved to deal with that possibility was deemed preferable to having large standing armies or doing what they were doing previous to, like in World War II.
[00:09:11]  Having these people who were allied with the cause of fighting against the Soviet Union, but it was so disorganized that they would rely on late night...
[00:09:21]  Supply drops and fractured communication among people.
[00:09:25]  So they deemed that setting up these cells of people in secret operation were the best way to do it.
[00:09:33]  I don't know.
[00:09:33]  So, was this also part of Operation Dumbo Drop?
[00:09:38]  It's similar, but without elephants.
[00:09:40]  Different, okay.
[00:09:41]  I'm intentionally not going to take a stance on their choice, neither for or against it, because I'm not really sure that I can say that I'm an expert on the factors that led to these countries choosing that path, and to pretend that I am would be dishonest to you and to our listeners.
[00:09:54]  Right.
[00:09:55]  That being said, there are a lot of claims about Operation Gladio that are accepted and repeated in conspiracy circles that are not reflective of a...
[00:10:02]  I don't know.
[00:10:05]  One of these is that the CIA was involved in Gladio.
[00:10:08]  Another is that the stay-behind networks in these countries committed false flag terror events in order to achieve their political goals.
[00:10:15]  The basic idea here is that these groups were created to fight back against the threat of the invasion from the Soviet Union that never came to exist.
[00:10:24]  So, in order to proceed with the agenda that they were created to push, the appearance of that threat needed to be created.
[00:10:30]  And thus, these groups began fake terror attacks to blame their political enemies.
[00:10:35]  So to create the perception of Soviet infiltration or whatever, they would commit these acts that they would blame on Soviet forces or communists.
[00:10:44]  Right, right.
[00:10:45]  So the Stay Behind networks did, in fact, do that.
[00:10:48]  That is what the conspiracy world believes.
[00:10:51]  But we do not...
[00:10:53]  No, for a fact they did that.
[00:10:55]  No.
[00:10:55]  A lot of this interpretation comes from a 2004 book by Danielle Ganser called NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe.
[00:11:04]  I'm almost certain that this is where Alex is getting his ideas about Gladio from because his version of it and the one espoused in the book match almost perfectly.
[00:11:12]  The bad news about Ganser's book is that it isn't really so much a book that contains documented history as much as it is a book full of misused true information mixed up with unfounded assumptions and rumor.
[00:11:24]  Olav Rist of the Norwegian Institute for Defense Studies was a researcher on the topic of Norway during the Cold War, and he dug up some information about the actions of stay-behind networks in his home country.
[00:11:36]  His information is used in Ganser's book and even cited in the bibliography.
[00:11:41]  Olav found that his primary research was being completely misrepresented by Gantzer, saying, quote, a detailed refutation of the many unfounded allegations that Gantzer accepts as historical findings would fill an entire book.
[00:11:54]  Other reviews of his book followed similar patterns.
[00:11:57]  Hayden Peake, an expert who's frequently published in journals regarding intelligence and operations, took a little bit of a stronger tone than Olav.
[00:12:04]  Quote, proof is a problem for Ganser.
[00:12:07]  He complains at the outset he was unable to find any official sources to support his charges of the CIA's or any Western European government's involvement with Gladio.
[00:12:16]  Nevertheless, his book devotes 14 chapters to the, quote, secret war in various Western nations on his list.
[00:12:23]  Ganser fails to Did you say 14?
[00:12:26]  14 chapters.
[00:12:27]  He doesn't know any.
[00:12:28]  There's zero information.
[00:12:29]  Fourteen chapters about this secret war.
[00:12:32]  But he wrote fourteen that he had zero information on.
[00:12:34]  Zero documented factual information.
[00:12:36]  Man, that is really ringing blood out of a stone then, man.
[00:12:40]  This guy is killing it.
[00:12:41]  He's good at stretching.
[00:12:42]  Yeah.
[00:12:43]  So to finish his quote, quote, Ganser fails to document his thesis that the CIA, MI6, and NATO and its friends turned Gladio into a terrorist organization.
[00:12:53]  Right.
[00:12:53]  Which is the fundamental assumption and charge that's being made and the belief that Alex has and a large part of the conspiracy world has.
[00:13:01]  Conspiracy theory.
[00:13:03]  Yeah.
[00:13:04]  It was the A-team who did that.
[00:13:06]  Could have been face.
[00:13:08]  Everybody got hired.
[00:13:10]  They're mercenaries, man.
[00:13:12]  That's why it doesn't matter what country they're in.
[00:13:14]  And if you need a job done right, you gotta call the A-team.
[00:13:18]  That's true.
[00:13:18]  They have a good...
[00:13:19]  Batting average.
[00:13:20]  Yeah.
[00:13:20]  So Ganser wrote these things, but he didn't prove them.
[00:13:23]  But Alex takes that book, or at least the ideas espoused in it, as proof when he really shouldn't.
[00:13:29]  Especially considering that in 2005 it was revealed that a lot of Ganser's narrative relies on a historical forgery that he took to be authentic.
[00:13:37]  This is what's known as Supplement B to the U.S. Army's Field Manual 30-31, which purports to be a classified section of the very real Field Manual 30-31, but is in fact a forgery put out in the 1970s by Soviet disinformation teams.
[00:13:53]  The forged document contains exactly what Alex Jones thinks.
[00:13:58]  There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision in the face of communist or communist-inspired subversion and react with inadequate vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by U.S. agencies.
[00:14:09]  Such situations are particularly likely to arise when the insurgency seeks to achieve tactical advantage by temporarily refraining from violence, thus lulling host country authorities into a state of false security.
[00:14:21]  In such cases, U.S. Army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince the host country government To this end, U.S. Army intelligence should seek to penetrate the insurgency by means of agents on special assignment with the tasks of forming special action groups among the more radical elements of the insurgency.
[00:14:45]  When the kind of situation envisaged above arises, these groups acting under U.S. Army intelligence control should be used to launch violent or nonviolent actions according to the nature of the case.
[00:14:57]  So this is basically the protocols of the writers of the field manual.
[00:15:01]  Yeah.
[00:15:01]  And while...
[00:15:02]  It's Russian propaganda...
[00:15:04]  They are good, man!
[00:15:06]  Right.
[00:15:06]  That sounds great!
[00:15:07]  Right.
[00:15:08]  He should have known it was a forgery when he saw that it was written in crayon, though.
[00:15:12]  That is a big red flag.
[00:15:14]  Another big red flag is it's almost too good.
[00:15:16]  You know, it's kind of exactly what you would need to prove that everything is fake.
[00:15:23]  Right.
[00:15:23]  Or whatever.
[00:15:24]  And it's not.
[00:15:26]  If you exclude this document...
[00:15:28]  That serious scholars and formal investigations have ruled to be a forgery than the evidence that the stay-behind networks that were part of Operation Gladio actually committed any false flag terrorism completely falls apart.
[00:15:39]  In the interest of fairness, there have been some indications that old weapons caches from Gladio-style stay-behind networks very may well have been used in later terrorist attacks.
[00:15:48]  And even if that's true, that's a far cry from...
[00:15:52]  I don't take that to be a good piece of evidence from Alex's...
[00:16:05]  It doesn't sound great.
[00:16:06]  No.
[00:16:07]  It falls apart when you look at it.
[00:16:09]  So Operation Gladio for me is kind of out the window.
[00:16:12]  I'm still bummed about the 14 chapters.
[00:16:15]  That's a long book.
[00:16:16]  I have a hard time writing that much when I do have all the information.
[00:16:20]  That's too many words.
[00:16:22]  Yeah, but if you think you're breaking something that'll change the world, some sort of news that'll change the world, I imagine it gets those...
[00:16:29]  So he's writing like Jack Kerouac is what you're saying.
[00:16:32]  He's got the spirit flowing through him.
[00:16:33]  He's got the scroll going down.
[00:16:35]  Gotcha.
[00:16:36]  And as for Operation Ajax, Jordan, that one is more real, but Alex isn't really using it correctly.
[00:16:41]  That operation refers to the CIA's 1953 overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh and the reinstallation of the Shah into his dictatorship over Iran.
[00:16:50]  While this is a great example of the CIA doing something underhanded and what you could easily call evil, it doesn't really work to help Alex's point about the globalists doing false flags in the United States for one pretty big reason, and that is motive.
[00:17:03]  Operation Ajax happened because Mossadegh was leading a massively popular drive to nationalize the oil assets of the British company in charge of their oil, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which was a huge threat to a lot of people's profits.
[00:17:17]  The CIA rationalized overthrowing Mossadegh by appealing to the idea that if they allowed him to take over Iran, all of the oil would be in the hands of communists, and that would be a real problem.
[00:17:28]  Yeah, self-determination for sovereign states is, ah, we can't have that!
[00:17:34]  It was 1953 after all.
[00:17:35]  That sort of mentality was quite widespread.
[00:17:38]  And it's so good that we're done overthrowing people.
[00:17:43]  Isn't that great?
[00:17:46]  Fuck me.
[00:17:47]  Riots were manufactured and the Shah swept in and removed Mossadegh from power with the full support of the U.S. government at MI6 because they knew he would be easier to play ball with.
[00:17:55]  Of course.
[00:17:56]  That is the choice that was made.
[00:17:57]  That is kind of how we do things.
[00:17:58]  I know history is more complicated than that brief summation of it, but the thing that sticks out to me is that Alex is way out of line using this as a piece of evidence to support his worldview.
[00:18:08]  All of his narratives are built on the backs of people who existed solely to demonize communism.
[00:18:14]  He loves the John Birch Society and all the most virulent anti-communist weasels you can find.
[00:18:19]  He excuses all sorts of evil in the name of saying, at least it's not communism.
[00:18:23]  And guess what?
[00:18:24]  That's exactly the reasoning the CIA used as propaganda to justify reinstallization.
[00:18:29]  Yeah.
[00:18:47]  That's ironic.
[00:18:48]  It is a little bit.
[00:18:49]  It's a little ironic.
[00:18:51]  We move along here.
[00:18:52]  Sorry, that was a lot up top.
[00:18:54]  That's all right.
[00:18:55]  You know, it's just how the clips go.
[00:18:56]  You got through it.
[00:18:58]  We all got through it.
[00:18:59]  In this next clip, Alex discusses the actual shooting and where he stands on December 17th.
[00:19:04]  So this could be a staged event.
[00:19:07]  What we do know is staged is the crocodile tears, ridiculous behavior of Obama milking this.
[00:19:16]  For every disgusting ounce he can get.
[00:19:19]  So Obama's given his speech where he cries, and Alex is dead certain that he was fake crying, which is also...
[00:19:29]  Deeply ironic.
[00:19:30]  Yeah, man.
[00:19:31]  And the fact that he's saying that he's milking this for everything it's worth.
[00:19:37]  And it's like, dude, what are you doing?
[00:19:40]  You are milking this for everything it's worth.
[00:19:43]  The right-wing propaganda machine is milking this.
[00:19:47]  And it gets worse as we go along.
[00:19:48]  And Barack Obama's just like, hey, can we not have kids die all the time anymore?
[00:19:53]  That's nice.
[00:19:54]  Yeah, and sort of relating as a human and a parent.
[00:19:58]  Right.
[00:19:59]  The idea of getting emotional is not like that.
[00:20:02]  I don't know.
[00:20:03]  I think I think that certainly was more authentic than the many times we've heard Alex fake cry.
[00:20:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:20:09]  But I think it's interesting because that's the first instance of two major instances on this episode that I think Alex is projecting onto Obama what he would do in these circumstances.

=== Preppers and Simulated Shootings (15:24) ===

[00:20:18]  Of course.
[00:20:18]  So the first one here is fake cry.
[00:20:20]  He sees Obama crying on television.
[00:20:22]  He's like that.
[00:20:23]  He's like, every time I cry, it's fake, so it must be fake with this guy.
[00:20:27]  Yeah, any outpouring or expression of emotion that shows non-masculinity in Alex's definition, I guess, must be performative.
[00:20:36]  Yeah.
[00:20:37]  And so he's like, Obama, you're fake crying.
[00:20:39]  I know, because I do it all the time.
[00:20:41]  Exactly.
[00:20:41]  That's how I hear that.
[00:20:42]  Listen up, it takes one to know one, asshole.
[00:20:44]  Yeah.
[00:20:45]  But I think he wouldn't...
[00:20:47]  You know, you wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't just so suspicious about this shooting.
[00:20:51]  So suspicious.
[00:20:53]  But you know what?
[00:20:54]  He's not the only one who's suspicious.
[00:20:55]  At least not in still-occupied Texas at this point.
[00:20:59]  All I'm doing is saying their war drums are going full blast.
[00:21:04]  Get ready.
[00:21:05]  Everyone I've talked to now says their spidey sense is off the chart.
[00:21:11]  Not only over these 20 dead kids.
[00:21:13]  I told my wife that night and that morning that I felt physically ill.
[00:21:17]  And she said, what's going on?
[00:21:18]  I said, they're coming.
[00:21:19]  They're coming for everything.
[00:21:21]  I've talked to everybody around the office.
[00:21:22]  They've had the same feelings.
[00:21:23]  I know you're having it.
[00:21:24]  That's your gut instinct God gave you.
[00:21:27]  But intellectually, you can see what they're doing.
[00:21:29]  Politically, I mean, folks.
[00:21:31]  We're entering the prime zone, as I said a month ago, of mass shootings, federal buildings being blown up.
[00:21:38]  They're going to blame it on the preppers and the patriots.
[00:21:40]  Stay with us.
[00:21:41]  So...
[00:21:42]  Because you guys do it all the time!
[00:21:44]  It does seem like that.
[00:21:44]  Stop doing it and then we'll stop blaming it on you!
[00:21:47]  You know, if the right-wing terrorists weren't right-wing terroring all the time and it's all just fake, why is it that so much more has happened when there's a Republican president in office?
[00:21:57]  Who encourages it?
[00:21:59]  Yeah, and it would stand to reason that more of it would be happening during Obama's presidency if it was false flags, whereas if it were real right-wing terrorists...
[00:22:07]  No, because that argument, that's an impossible Ouroboros argument, because Alex would just say, no, because the globalists are now panicked because of how powerful and popular...
[00:22:17]  Trump is that they're going into overdrive.
[00:22:19]  But that's insane!
[00:22:21]  Of course it is.
[00:22:22]  It's all insane.
[00:22:23]  But that's insane!
[00:22:24]  No, I know.
[00:22:24]  No matter what happens, the argument fits.
[00:22:28]  And that's why it's a bad argument.
[00:22:29]  Right, but it's an even worse argument because it's a bad idea.
[00:22:32]  Yep.
[00:22:33]  I don't disagree with that.
[00:22:35]  Why is it that all of his conspiracy theories about these globalists are them coming up with utterly silly and stupid plans that he thinks he's going to take down mainly because they're so stupid?
[00:22:48]  It wouldn't be hard to take down those plans.
[00:22:51]  No.
[00:22:52]  Which plans?
[00:22:54]  If you're going to come up with this whole, like, oh, the globalists are panicking more.
[00:22:58]  Now.
[00:22:59]  So they're doing more right-wing terror attacks.
[00:23:01]  That's going to backfire miserably.
[00:23:04]  It's only going to inspire more right-wing terror or desensitize people to the effects of right-wing terror.
[00:23:10]  So that doesn't make any fucking sense.
[00:23:11]  Well, because it doesn't seem like in the instances that these things have happened in the past, anything against the right-wing has actually been done.
[00:23:18]  Exactly!
[00:23:19]  So yeah, it does seem like it would be a...
[00:23:21]  That would be the globalists fishing in a dry well.
[00:23:24]  Yeah, even when the globalists put out this massive document calling all of us terrorists or patriots, they just got rid of it in like two seconds because you guys bitched the whole time.
[00:23:36]  Yeah, it shows a little bit of a...
[00:23:38]  Yeah, it kind of is a counterexample to his argument.
[00:23:41]  I'm mad at the globalists for being bad at their jobs.
[00:23:45]  That's what I'm really mad at.
[00:23:46]  These hypothetical imaginary people are bad at their imaginary jobs.
[00:23:50]  Exactly!
[00:23:50]  It's frustrating.
[00:23:52]  So Alex thinks that he's being blamed for this because he always does.
[00:23:56]  He always feels personally blamed for things because he doesn't understand what's going on in the world and stuff like that.
[00:24:03]  He only reads headlines, so he doesn't understand what people are actually saying.
[00:24:07]  And this next clip is a great example of that.
[00:24:10]  I've got Daily Mail, Foreign Affairs, Washington Post.
[00:24:15]  You've seen it.
[00:24:16]  CNN, CBS.
[00:24:18]  All saying, preppers did this.
[00:24:21]  Here's one of the headlines right here.
[00:24:24]  Newtown and the Doomsday Preppers.
[00:24:27]  Foreign Affairs, a division of the Washington Post.
[00:24:30]  ForeignPolicy.com.
[00:24:32]  I mean, this is absolutely incredible that all of this is going on.
[00:24:37]  It is incredible.
[00:24:38]  It is very incredible.
[00:24:39]  Especially because Alex is referring to an article in Foreign Policy, not Foreign Affairs.
[00:24:43]  But it seems like the way he's talking about it, he doesn't realize those are two different.
[00:24:47]  No, it doesn't sound like it.
[00:24:48]  Which does not inspire confidence.
[00:24:50]  No, that's not a good sign.
[00:24:51]  Beyond that, he clearly didn't read this article.
[00:24:53]  He just read the headline.
[00:24:54]  The body of the text discusses how a lot of preppers are acting out of rational concerns about being ready for a disaster.
[00:25:00]  And the people who mock them often change their tune real fast when a hurricane comes.
[00:25:05]  Right.
[00:25:05]  Or something like that.
[00:25:06]  The article is about early indications that Adam Lanz's mom was a bit of a survivalist prepper.
[00:25:12]  But if Alex had read the article, it says toward the end, quote, The extremity of Adam Lanz's crime has created a desperate desire for explanations, and dismissing him as a crazy survivalist, or the son of a crazy survivalist, will likely prove irresistible for many people trying to make sense of a senseless act.
[00:25:28]  But the ultimate truth of his motive is not likely to be so simplistic.
[00:25:33]  Additional information will emerge over the coming days, but we may never know really why Lanza killed his mother and so many innocent teachers and children.
[00:25:41]  Understanding the context of his actions may provide useful insights that could prevent future incidents, but gross oversimplifications will only stand in the way.
[00:25:50]  The article is literally a voice of caution warning people that labeling Lanza as a prepper and using that to explain his act is somehow, or it is something that will stand in the way of future understanding of the tragedy.
[00:26:02]  It's literally the opposite of what Alex is saying.
[00:26:04]  Yeah, but I don't think Alex could ever actually, like, disregarding the fact that Alex can't read, even if he could read, those sentences would, like...
[00:26:15]  Just short-circuit his brain.
[00:26:16]  Like, he would white out, and it would just be on the floor, and he'd be like, I'm gonna pretend those didn't exist.
[00:26:22]  Compared to what he pretends to read, or what he claims to read, those are simple fucking sentences.
[00:26:26]  Exactly, but what they mean is so hurtful to him.
[00:26:29]  It's not, it's supportive of his worldview.
[00:26:31]  Exactly!
[00:26:31]  If he's defending preppers, so is this article.
[00:26:35]  Yeah, but he can't be them!
[00:26:36]  He can't be, he can't allow them to be supporting his articles.
[00:26:39]  Or his ideas.
[00:26:41]  He needs to be the victim.
[00:26:43]  I got bad news.
[00:26:44]  He fucking needs to.
[00:26:45]  Because he's reporting on this stuff in the wake of a giant mass shooting at an elementary school.
[00:26:51]  He can't play fast and loose with this stuff.
[00:26:54]  He's really...
[00:26:54]  He is...
[00:26:55]  Why?
[00:26:56]  Is he gonna get sued?
[00:26:57]  Well, maybe a couple years later.
[00:27:00]  It's that, you know, the oversimplifications only stand in the way.
[00:27:04]  Alex is embodying the last sentence of this article.
[00:27:07]  Right, exactly.
[00:27:08]  But from the other side.
[00:27:09]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:27:11]  It doesn't even matter what they say.
[00:27:13]  When you hear the words, when Alex reads the words oversimplification, he's like, no, that's what I do.
[00:27:19]  Stop it.
[00:27:20]  Don't tell me not to oversimplify.
[00:27:22]  That's the only thing I know how to do.
[00:27:24]  Stop it.
[00:27:25]  Which might be why, I mean, it's probably best if he just reads headlines then.
[00:27:29]  Because then he can sort of feign ignorance or something like that.
[00:27:32]  Right, that's true.
[00:27:33]  If he just came out with it and said, I don't care much for articles.
[00:27:37]  I like to just read headlines.
[00:27:40]  He could pull off like his, I'm a Gerald Salenti style trends forecaster.
[00:27:44]  All you need is the headlines to get the trend.
[00:27:47]  Right.
[00:27:47]  All I'm doing is expressing the vibe I'm getting.
[00:27:50]  Yeah.
[00:27:51]  Or whatever.
[00:27:52]  But then he wouldn't be able to pretend he's a really smart and researched person.
[00:27:56]  So he can't really have both.
[00:27:58]  I mean, he has read over 100 books on World War II, I guess.
[00:28:03]  That's fine?
[00:28:05]  Read the titles of 200 books.
[00:28:07]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:08]  So at this point, we are still seeing him sort of wanting to say it's fake, relating the event to other things that he thinks are fake.
[00:28:17]  And that sort of thing.
[00:28:18]  And in this next clip, there's another implication that he thinks this was fake.
[00:28:22]  You see, the government has lost the trust of the people, and they know that.
[00:28:26]  So they're basically saying anyone that doesn't trust us and doesn't want to be robbed by the government is a terrorist.
[00:28:32]  And I'm telling you, they're getting ready to stage more mass shootings and events.
[00:28:36]  Stay with us.
[00:28:36]  Okay.
[00:28:37]  So it's unclear from the language there when he says they're getting ready to plan and stage more fake shootings and stuff like that.
[00:28:45]  It's not really clear if he's saying that as, like, Sandy Hook was one and there will be more, or if it's the other ones that he talks about.
[00:28:52]  So I'm presenting that as a little bit of, like, this is shrubbery around the house that's being built of our investigation.
[00:29:01]  Okay.
[00:29:01]  It's more evidence that he just thinks everything's fake, quite frankly.
[00:29:05]  Yeah, I don't like the...
[00:29:07]  I mean, it stands to reason if you are saying, immediately following a mass shooting...
[00:29:14]  They are planning to stage more mass shootings.
[00:29:16]  It follows that you think that mass shooting was staged.
[00:29:19]  And it's inescapable that people listening to it would take that.
[00:29:23]  Yeah.
[00:29:24]  And it wouldn't be crazy of them to take that understanding from those words.
[00:29:28]  It's the only thing that makes sense.
[00:29:29]  And if it's not, you're doing a bad job talking.
[00:29:31]  So stop it.
[00:29:33]  So that's just sort of to give you a little bit of the flavor of things here.
[00:29:37]  And now it gets back to talking about gun grabbing.
[00:29:40]  And these gun grabbers that are going around, they want to grab your guns.
[00:29:44]  But he also...
[00:29:45]  That's not the best way to do it either.
[00:29:48]  This is another problem with the globalist plans.
[00:29:50]  Don't grab guns.
[00:29:51]  Ask people politely to give them to you.
[00:29:53]  It's way better.
[00:29:54]  People with guns don't respond well to polite requests.
[00:29:57]  They don't respond well to grabs!
[00:29:59]  Nope.
[00:30:00]  Don't respond well to anything, it turns out.
[00:30:02]  So let's just move on to this next clip where he talks about how the system's at war with him.
[00:30:08]  And then he says something else in the same way as that clip a couple ones back.
[00:30:13]  It's sort of unclear if he's referring to Sandy Hook when he says something about shootings being fake.
[00:30:20]  But in exactly the same way you brought up, it's only reasonable to assume that the one that is most recent and he has been talking about is what he's referring to.
[00:30:31]  Right.
[00:30:32]  It's very complicated.
[00:30:33]  The system is panicking.
[00:30:35]  It's run by foreign banks that have looted Europe and are now looting us, engaged in all sorts of crime in front of us, arming to the teeth against us with armored vehicles and tanks, meaning cash in every town and city, martial law being incrementally turned on, TSA on the streets.
[00:30:54]  All of this being done in the name of Al-Qaeda.
[00:30:56]  Then they flip the script and say, no, no, no, it's for preppers, it's for conservatives.
[00:31:00]  Now the rollout starts.
[00:31:02]  And they create the simulation, 20 dead kids, from some person under psychiatric care, undoubtedly on drugs, video game head.
[00:31:09]  So the simulation.
[00:31:11]  Yeah.
[00:31:12]  That's tough.
[00:31:13]  Because I actually introduced that poorly.
[00:31:16]  I forgot that he literally said the 20 dead kids part.
[00:31:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:20]  That one says this is fake.
[00:31:22]  Yeah.
[00:31:23]  That one says this is fake.
[00:31:24]  Yeah, but the way he's saying a simulation, it's...
[00:31:28]  It's too vague to really nail in what does he mean by that.
[00:31:34]  Right.
[00:31:34]  Does he mean that they created that simulation before?
[00:31:38]  Because if they created that simulation before, then it would only make sense for them to then have followed through with it.
[00:31:44]  It's hard to say at this point.
[00:31:45]  Or it is a simulation by them pretending that it happened currently.
[00:31:49]  Right.
[00:31:49]  Or they're simulating the fallout from what...
[00:31:52]  No, there's no way...
[00:31:53]  That means he says it's staged.
[00:31:55]  Well, I can see one version of it that isn't that.
[00:31:59]  What?
[00:31:59]  That is that the shooting itself happened, whether or not the government staged it or not.
[00:32:04]  Whatever.
[00:32:05]  It happened.
[00:32:05]  Yeah.
[00:32:06]  And then the simulation that he's referring to is the way it's being framed by the media, or something like that.
[00:32:12]  Yeah.
[00:32:12]  I could see that being a position he could defend.
[00:32:15]  It's thin.
[00:32:16]  No.
[00:32:16]  It's thin.
[00:32:17]  No.
[00:32:17]  It's thin.
[00:32:18]  No chance.
[00:32:19]  Look, I have to extend all possibilities.
[00:32:23]  That is one version of it I could see.
[00:32:26]  It's unlikely.
[00:32:27]  How much nuance is involved in that?
[00:32:29]  A lot.
[00:32:29]  Then it didn't exist.
[00:32:31]  It's not real.
[00:32:32]  It's not real.
[00:32:33]  If there's nuance involved, Alex doesn't understand it.
[00:32:36]  Aggressive doubt benefiting here.
[00:32:39]  That is too much.
[00:32:40]  That is too much.
[00:32:41]  It might be.
[00:32:42]  I'm not going to give him any of that shit.
[00:32:44]  He just said that Sandy Hook was staged.
[00:32:46]  But short any other corroborating pieces, I'm not willing to accept that as a full-throated...
[00:32:55]  Everything was fake or anything like that.
[00:32:57]  It's just an indication of where his head is and how he's speaking.
[00:33:01]  Well, one of the things that I feel like needs to be pointed out is he is absolutely certain it's real.
[00:33:10]  And I will tell you my reasoning for that is he is coming up with...
[00:33:14]  More and more supervillains in this story and different angles of attack for them to be making towards gun people.
[00:33:21]  Sure.
[00:33:21]  So he's coming up with, alright, now it's these foreign bankers.
[00:33:25]  Alright, now it's the government itself who's trying to come take your guns.
[00:33:29]  Alright, now it's Obama's rogue leftist elements of the government trying to take your guns.
[00:33:34]  He's trying to get everybody...
[00:33:37]  Everybody involved in this.
[00:33:38]  Or trying on shoes, see which one fits.
[00:33:41]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:33:41]  So you figure out which is the thing you can walk around in.
[00:33:44]  Right.
[00:33:45]  He's throwing shit at the wall to find out who people are going to react with the most.
[00:33:50]  Yeah, that's a very likely possibility.
[00:33:53]  So earlier he was saying that Obama was fake crying, which I think is a huge projection on his part.
[00:33:58]  And here is the second clip where I think he's projecting a little bit.
[00:34:02]  Again, the system needs to be relevant.
[00:34:04]  It needs to be able to grandstand and make you watch it.
[00:34:07]  The mainstream media needs this because no one watches them unless there's a big mass shooting.
[00:34:12]  And then Obama, whose normal White House videos get about 10,000 views.
[00:34:16]  If you go to White House official channel on YouTube, it gets about 10,000 views.
[00:34:20]  His videos.
[00:34:23]  Oh, he gets to have 4 or 5 million now on his videos when this happens.
[00:34:28]  See?
[00:34:30]  Fucking wow.
[00:34:31]  Alex seems to be implying that Obama either staged this shooting or is behaving in response to the shooting the way he is to get more traffic to his YouTube channel.
[00:34:40]  Yeah, I think what he's trying to say is that Obama staged the shooting for AdSense dollars.
[00:34:46]  For views.
[00:34:46]  For views.
[00:34:47]  For ad revenue.
[00:34:48]  And that...
[00:34:49]  Is exactly what Alex is wishing he could do right now.
[00:34:53]  100%.
[00:34:53]  If Alex could get away with staging something like that, like some giant publicity event, like, I don't know, it's like starting some sort of fight with some famous podcaster.
[00:35:03]  Oh.
[00:35:04]  If he could stage any number of different events that are not true and are not based on anything real in order to get views, then of course the president would kill kids.
[00:35:14]  Yeah.
[00:35:14]  That makes sense.
[00:35:15]  He's so nuts that, like...
[00:35:17]  The only way he can really understand other people's actions and reactions to things is how he would react.

=== Deer in Headlights (09:12) ===

[00:35:23]  Right.
[00:35:23]  And the way he would react to this if he had to give a speech in Newtown is to fake cry because he needs to...
[00:35:30]  You know, bring the emotions or whatever.
[00:35:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:33]  On a cognitive level, he knows that that's the response people have.
[00:35:36]  I need to mirror humans.
[00:35:39]  Right.
[00:35:39]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:39]  He's like an alien.
[00:35:40]  And so he accuses Obama of fake crying.
[00:35:43]  Right.
[00:35:43]  And he knows that he would use something like this in order to get more publicity and traffic.
[00:35:47]  Of course.
[00:35:48]  And so he accuses Obama of his videos being...
[00:35:51]  Manipulative or whatever.
[00:35:53]  And that's the most generous version.
[00:35:55]  Yes.
[00:35:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:35:56]  Obama killed kids for views.
[00:35:57]  Right.
[00:35:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:35:58]  That is another interpretation of that clip, which is just fucked up.
[00:36:02]  Wow.
[00:36:02]  Yeah, that's how his brain works.
[00:36:04]  So, that's how his brain works.
[00:36:06]  But his gut is a slightly different matter.
[00:36:09]  And in this next clip, he says what his gut feels.
[00:36:12]  We knew this was coming.
[00:36:14]  And, you know, my gut tells me...
[00:36:16]  Because of what we know about other shooters and that being swept under the rug and a report of a guy in a mask and then reports of other shooters and then who this guy's dad was, high-level GE exec.
[00:36:27]  We're getting some intel right now.
[00:36:28]  It looks bad.
[00:36:30]  They probably had some globalists.
[00:36:32]  Grease mommy.
[00:36:33]  Get him wound up, drugged out.
[00:36:35]  Get him in there.
[00:36:36]  Shoot him.
[00:36:37]  Because this has been done before.
[00:36:39]  Then have your real group that did it.
[00:36:40]  But even if that's not the case, it's cultural mind control, the television, the shooter video games designed by the Pentagon to make you kill instinctively and uncaringly in a program-trained fashion.
[00:36:52]  This is so weak, man.
[00:36:54]  This is absolutely weak, because he's suggesting exactly what he wants to report as his angle, which is that.
[00:37:01]  Right.
[00:37:01]  They greased mom and then drugged up the kid.
[00:37:04]  Yeah, we got another angle of attack for these different villain globalists.
[00:37:09]  But he's not ready to do that for whatever reason, and so he's couching that with, like, even if that's not the case, it's all social brainwashing.
[00:37:16]  Yeah.
[00:37:18]  Cool.
[00:37:19]  Don't say anything!
[00:37:23]  You don't have to do any of this.
[00:37:26]  He could defend guns without this.
[00:37:28]  This stuff is completely superfluous.
[00:37:32]  That is a good point.
[00:37:34]  It's wild.
[00:37:35]  That is a good point.
[00:37:36]  He's just getting himself in trouble because he needs more clicks.
[00:37:41]  Right.
[00:37:41]  The same thing he's accusing Obama of is what is going to, I'm more convinced than ever, what is going to lead him to make the unforced errors that he makes as we go through this.
[00:37:51]  It's just...
[00:37:53]  So stupid.
[00:37:53]  Oh, man.
[00:37:54]  Here's what he could have said.
[00:37:56]  This is a tragedy.
[00:37:58]  Mm-hmm.
[00:37:59]  That's it.
[00:38:00]  Well, and even if you...
[00:38:01]  Could have just stopped there.
[00:38:01]  Well, you could also say, this is a tragedy, but...
[00:38:05]  We have, you know, we have to keep moving forward as a country.
[00:38:08]  I firmly believe that the Second Amendment is one of the most important things.
[00:38:12]  We cannot allow our emotions to override our political principles.
[00:38:17]  And while we honor and mourn the loss of life and extend condolences to the families, we also will not bend on our convictions or whatever.
[00:38:27]  There is a way...
[00:38:27]  Goddamn, can you imagine him saying that?
[00:38:29]  No, fuck no.
[00:38:30]  No, I know, but I mean, like, just, no, I mean, just like...
[00:38:33]  Reading those words.
[00:38:35]  No.
[00:38:36]  Because of course he couldn't come up off the top of the top.
[00:38:39]  I just freestyled that shit.
[00:38:39]  Yeah, you just freestyled a very kind thing.
[00:38:42]  Still felt dirty.
[00:38:43]  It's still awful.
[00:38:44]  No, it's miserable.
[00:38:45]  But can you imagine him just reading those words?
[00:38:47]  Hearing his voice say those words.
[00:38:51]  I can't imagine it.
[00:38:52]  Like, even if he was doing voiceover for a Jim Jarmusch movie, he'd still be like, condolence.
[00:39:03]  Condolence!
[00:39:03]  I'm just saying that I think that there's a way that he could achieve all of the political goals he thinks he's achieving or trying to achieve without doing any of the stuff that's bad.
[00:39:15]  No, this is all bad.
[00:39:16]  Yeah.
[00:39:17]  So in that last clip, he said that his gut was telling him all these things about how the globalists took him in there and did all the blah, blah, blah.
[00:39:24]  And that, you know, hey, that's just his gut.
[00:39:26]  Right.
[00:39:27]  Unfortunately, my gut's telling me he's shooting himself in the dick.
[00:39:30]  That's just me.
[00:39:30]  Well, he does explain in this next clip that whenever he trusts his feelings, he's always right.
[00:39:36]  My whole life, I haven't gone off my feelings.
[00:39:40]  And every time I don't follow my feelings, it's bad.
[00:39:43]  Every time I follow my feelings, it's right.
[00:39:46]  And man, I've told you, used to, I was getting chills like maybe twice a year when I saw something happening.
[00:39:52]  Then I started getting chills every week, then every day.
[00:39:54]  Now it's just one big chill.
[00:39:57]  And something bad's about to happen.
[00:40:00]  Correction.
[00:40:00]  Something bad did happen.
[00:40:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:40:06]  And also I would say that everything that we're seeing in this snapshot so far of this end of 2012 period is a condemnation of his gut.
[00:40:16]  It is like we know.
[00:40:17]  Oh, yeah.
[00:40:18]  We know that this is a prime example of him.
[00:40:21]  His gut leading him down a horrible road.
[00:40:24]  So, no.
[00:40:26]  You should not listen to your gut, Alex.
[00:40:27]  Your gut is unhealthy.
[00:40:29]  That is so...
[00:40:31]  Wow!
[00:40:34]  The idea that he would say, my gut tells me something bad is about to happen.
[00:40:38]  It's wild, yeah.
[00:40:39]  After a massive school shooting.
[00:40:42]  Yeah.
[00:40:43]  Man, that's fucked up.
[00:40:46]  Well, he's trying to minimize it to a lot in the sense of like...
[00:40:50]  Everyone's demonizing mass shootings and stuff like that, but more people are killed by deer every year and stuff like that.
[00:40:57]  And it's like, hey, sure.
[00:40:59]  I mean, if you want to go based on numbers, fine.
[00:41:01]  But if you want to extend that metaphor even further, what you should then be...
[00:41:07]  Like, the analog is putting up signs in places where there's lots of deer.
[00:41:12]  That's sort of a government action that tries to limit the damage of deer on highways and stuff like that.
[00:41:20]  Well, Chicago has one of the strictest deer control laws in the country, but we get all of our deer just coming in from Indiana.
[00:41:26]  Right.
[00:41:27]  Like, it's brutal.
[00:41:28]  Right.
[00:41:28]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:41:29]  We need federal deer control laws.
[00:41:32]  There aren't...
[00:41:33]  He would be the one, if he was super passionate about...
[00:41:38]  If the Second Amendment was about deer.
[00:41:40]  Like, he would be the one saying, like, deer are free to roam.
[00:41:43]  You can't put up a sign here.
[00:41:44]  Yeah.
[00:41:44]  That's demonizing the deer.
[00:41:46]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:47]  That's the equivalent of what he's doing about guns.
[00:41:49]  So, yes, people do hit a lot of deers and there's a lot of damage.
[00:41:53]  Demonizing the deer.
[00:41:54]  Don't demonize deer.
[00:41:56]  You know what I'm saying.
[00:41:57]  Yeah, I do know what you're saying.
[00:41:58]  So, I don't know.
[00:42:00]  In his conception, whatever he thinks is coming is worse than the shooting.
[00:42:05]  Yeah.
[00:42:05]  In as much as he thinks that they're going to take the guns and then there's going to be a civil war.
[00:42:09]  Do you know what's way worse than a lot of children being murdered and nothing being done about it, and so more and more children are murdered?
[00:42:19]  The idea that he wouldn't be allowed to have assault rifles.
[00:42:23]  That's the worst thing.
[00:42:24]  It's less that, I promise you, it's less that, although that is a big piece of it, than that he foresees a civil war coming because of the gun grabbers.
[00:42:34]  Right.
[00:42:35]  So...
[00:42:36]  If you look at it and you think about the loss of life that would come from an all-out civil war, you could say that that might be worse than a school shooting.
[00:42:44]  I don't think it would be a civil war more...
[00:42:47]  It would be like the entire country going like, holy shit, guys, you are fucking crazy.
[00:42:54]  And then the 1% of the country that owns all of our guns would be like, I guess we're going out in a blaze of glory.
[00:43:00]  That's...
[00:43:01]  They're all living the...
[00:43:02]  Remember the Alamo.
[00:43:04]  They would kill so many innocent people.
[00:43:05]  I know!
[00:43:06]  I'm not saying that.
[00:43:08]  I'm just saying it's not a civil war.
[00:43:09]  It would be a massacre.
[00:43:10]  I'm saying the scale of that is what he's saying is worse than a school shooting.
[00:43:15]  Right.
[00:43:15]  Not just the abstract idea of him losing a gun.
[00:43:17]  Right.
[00:43:18]  I know it's an unnecessary defense, but I just don't want to be sitting here being like, all he cares about is keeping his gun.
[00:43:24]  It is still a...
[00:43:25]  I mean, it's ludicrous for him to even, like, suggest that it's a likely outcome of things.
[00:43:30]  But at least what he's talking about isn't just that.
[00:43:34]  You know, it isn't just his guts.
[00:43:36]  I guess.
[00:43:37]  I'll give you that one.
[00:43:39]  I think you have to, because it is different.
[00:43:41]  I get it.
[00:43:43]  I just don't buy his whole Civil War bullshit.
[00:43:46]  No, of course not.
[00:43:47]  It's absurd.
[00:43:48]  Yeah.
[00:43:48]  But it's where his head is.
[00:43:50]  All right.
[00:43:50]  You gotta meet him halfway.
[00:43:51]  All right.
[00:43:52]  So, all this is going on.
[00:43:54]  It's getting harder and harder to meet him halfway.
[00:43:56]  It's true.
[00:43:56]  So, he's terrified.
[00:43:58]  There's a lot of bad stuff going on.
[00:43:59]  It's all a mess.
[00:44:00]  And you might be asking yourself, is it time to pray?
[00:44:04]  Do you think it's time to pray?
[00:44:05]  No, it hasn't been time to pray since early 2017.
[00:44:08]  Let's see if it's time to pray.
[00:44:10]  I just commit myself in the hands of God.
[00:44:12]  That's all I can say.
[00:44:13]  And I want to say this.
[00:44:14]  I keep meaning to say a prayer on air.
[00:44:17]  But I don't feel worthy to say a prayer on air.

=== Psychic Insights and Doubts (14:00) ===

[00:44:20]  I feel humble.
[00:44:22]  I think God would be kind of pissed about it.
[00:44:24]  He said he didn't like that shit.
[00:44:28]  I just love my children so much.
[00:44:30]  And I love my children so much in their innocence.
[00:44:32]  I love other people's children.
[00:44:34]  And I know what everybody's thinking and saying who's got children.
[00:44:37]  That's why the globalists use the murder of children to control us.
[00:44:40]  And it makes me so mad at the Democrats who are just murdering children everywhere.
[00:44:45]  I hate you so much.
[00:44:47]  I hate him so much!
[00:44:50]  He goes on to talk about how kids are killed in foreign countries as a byproduct of our foreign policy.
[00:44:57]  Fair point.
[00:44:58]  Doesn't help here all that much.
[00:45:01]  But when he says they're using the deaths of these children in order to push that stuff, it does imply there's a fakeness, but it also still could be...
[00:45:15]  Just in the use of the story in the media afterwards.
[00:45:18]  God, this is just edging.
[00:45:21]  A little bit.
[00:45:22]  This is just edging.
[00:45:22]  And this next step isn't going to help because it has to do with prophetic dreams.
[00:45:26]  Of course.
[00:45:27]  And one of our reporters, I didn't ask permission.
[00:45:30]  I don't know if he wants me to tell the story, but I won't tell it unless he wants to tell it.
[00:45:35]  He said, you know, I talked to my wife.
[00:45:36]  She had a horrible nightmare that night of men rappelling down into a school.
[00:45:41]  He just proceeds to tell the story.
[00:45:43]  He says that he's not going to tell.
[00:45:45]  Yeah.
[00:45:45]  That's wild.
[00:45:46]  Yeah.
[00:45:47]  That's so rude.
[00:45:48]  Nah.
[00:45:49]  And shooting little kids, and his wife's a teacher, and it was one of those dreams that upset her so bad she called her friends about it.
[00:45:59]  See, I've had dreams that actually come true before that I've told people about, and then they come true six months later.
[00:46:07]  And as I walked around the corner and this guy tried to mug me, I had a sick feeling walking around the corner going, I've been here before.
[00:46:16]  And it was the dream and the guy and the shirt and everything.
[00:46:22]  But again, I'm not getting off into mumbo-jumbo here.
[00:46:25]  The point is that I told everybody I'm physically sick.
[00:46:27]  That whole week I said something bad.
[00:46:30]  And it's not just the murder of these three little precious children.
[00:46:33]  It's that they're launching.
[00:46:35]  This is the bugles.
[00:46:36]  Sounding.
[00:46:37]  The charge is on.
[00:46:38]  They're coming.
[00:46:39]  They're coming.
[00:46:40]  So, someone you know has had a prophetic dream about this, and then he relates it to a time that he had a literal prophetic dream, which does seem to imply that this person who's, like, Infowars employee's spouse did have a prophetic dream, which does tend to imply that what happened, evidenced by this prophetic dream...
[00:47:00]  Is people rappelling into the school and shooting kids.
[00:47:03]  It is amazing.
[00:47:04]  I have not seen too many media organizations who have hired so many mediums.
[00:47:10]  Yeah.
[00:47:10]  And psychics and...
[00:47:12]  There's a lot of real gifted people in this organization.
[00:47:16]  Yeah.
[00:47:16]  It's like the InfoWars men.
[00:47:19]  InfoWars X-Men.
[00:47:21]  That's what he's established here.
[00:47:23]  Alex's school for gifted children.
[00:47:25]  Assholes.
[00:47:26]  Yeah.
[00:47:27]  Perhaps.
[00:47:27]  Yeah.
[00:47:28]  It was weird.
[00:47:28]  You'd think that if the guy running the place was a psychic, statistically...
[00:47:32]  Actually...
[00:47:33]  Yeah, he would hire more psychics than otherwise.
[00:47:35]  He would probably hire all psychics.
[00:47:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:47:37]  Maybe that explains it.
[00:47:38]  Maybe the problem is he's not hiring enough psychics.
[00:47:41]  That could be.
[00:47:41]  Yeah.
[00:47:42]  That could be.
[00:47:42]  Maybe because he's a psychic that goes on his gut.
[00:47:44]  Yeah.
[00:47:45]  His gut isn't psychic.
[00:47:46]  His gut is definitely not psychic.
[00:47:48]  Neither is his brain.
[00:47:49]  Uh-uh.
[00:47:49]  That clip was really weird.
[00:47:51]  I found that to have no place in a show in the week after Sandy Hook.
[00:47:56]  No!
[00:47:56]  No!
[00:47:56]  Relying on sort of, you know, paranormal type of ideas and then be like, I'm not into mumbo jumbo.
[00:48:05]  Like, you are.
[00:48:06]  You are literally doing that right now.
[00:48:08]  You just said you were a psychic.
[00:48:09]  Yeah.
[00:48:09]  Yeah.
[00:48:10]  So, Alex is psychic.
[00:48:12]  He's got a team of psychics working for him.
[00:48:14]  Yeah.
[00:48:14]  They still can't predict shit.
[00:48:16]  But in this next clip, Alex talks about how frustrated he is and how awake he is about the globalists and all of that.
[00:48:24]  It's so frustrating to be so right all the time.
[00:48:28]  Being this awake is exhausting.
[00:48:29]  I mean, I'll just tell you right now, because...
[00:48:31]  And it's frustrating to know how wicked these Democratic Party operatives are, how bad they are, how evil they are.
[00:48:40]  How duplicitous, how murderous.
[00:48:46]  And, you know, I try to hold back.
[00:48:47]  My gut tells me the White House, people controlling the governments were involved in this.
[00:48:52]  That's what my gut tells me.
[00:48:54]  Okay.
[00:48:55]  All right.
[00:48:58]  Well, there it is.
[00:48:59]  We've turned a corner.
[00:49:00]  Yep.
[00:49:00]  False flag.
[00:49:01]  Yep.
[00:49:01]  There it is.
[00:49:02]  That's pretty overt, but again, it's still this super unsatisfying thing where he's saying it's still like...
[00:49:08]  This is what my gut tells me it is.
[00:49:10]  Yeah, but he says his gut is always 100% right!
[00:49:12]  And he's psychic.
[00:49:13]  Sure, I get that.
[00:49:15]  I'm not giving you this one!
[00:49:17]  No, I know.
[00:49:17]  This is 100% he's saying that it's staged.
[00:49:20]  If you include the premise, my gut is never wrong, yes, that is what he's saying.
[00:49:27]  But it's taken as read!
[00:49:29]  I think it is, yeah.
[00:49:31]  You are giving way too much benefit of the doubt on this one.
[00:49:34]  Well, because I'm trying to look at this from a structural perspective.
[00:49:37]  I'm trying to look at this as if I were an entirely unbiased observer who's like, all of his bullshit talk about his gut, you just throw that out the window.
[00:49:47]  I still think he's couching his language.
[00:49:50]  And maybe that's the more important piece.
[00:49:52]  He's couching his language and not saying, guys, this was fake, the White House was involved, or something like that.
[00:49:58]  He's still relying on that secondary premise in order to fill in the gaps in his listener's mind, as opposed to overtly making the statement.
[00:50:07]  And the overtness is the point I'm far more interested in.
[00:50:11]  Or at least I think that's, you know...
[00:50:17]  I think you're overcorrecting for your unbiased listener, because even an unbiased listener, were they to listen to this in succession, like all of these clips in a row, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's happening.
[00:50:36]  If it was one of those, if it was any one of the clips that you have put together, an unbiased observer would be like, ah, that's not...
[00:50:43]  100% proof.
[00:50:45]  But when you got six in a row, they're like, come on, man.
[00:50:49]  I am overcorrecting, if only because I want to...
[00:50:53]  It's tough.
[00:50:54]  When you cover a conspiracy theorist and someone like Alex, it is the sort of thing where you almost find yourself making leaps of logic that aren't appropriate.
[00:51:06]  By virtue of him doing it all the time.
[00:51:09]  Right.
[00:51:09]  And so I try to keep as mindful a presence of that in my head when I'm looking at this stuff that I have to adhere to a pretty strict this means this, this means this.
[00:51:21]  Yeah.
[00:51:21]  Lest I give in to the temptation to play the games he does.
[00:51:25]  Right.
[00:51:25]  Even if it's subconscious.
[00:51:26]  I see what you're saying.
[00:51:27]  Because there is a subconscious desire to play the fun, all the games that he does.
[00:51:32]  Yeah.
[00:51:33]  Because he's clearly having a lot of fun.
[00:51:34]  Yeah, which is really disgusting.
[00:51:36]  I don't get to say that I'm a psychic.
[00:51:38]  No, you don't.
[00:51:39]  That's fun.
[00:51:39]  No, I know it is.
[00:51:40]  Giving yourself superpowers is what we all did as kids.
[00:51:43]  I'm sorry.
[00:51:44]  What would your superpower be?
[00:51:45]  Being a fucking cardinal, that's what it would be.
[00:51:49]  The ability to transform into any bird I want.
[00:51:52]  Bad superpower.
[00:51:54]  So, earlier you were asking sort of the idea, is he implying that the government and all of them knew in advance?
[00:52:03]  And in that last clip, I think he is heavily implying that.
[00:52:07]  But now, he actually, instead of just saying, my gut tells me this, in this next clip from December 17th, he says something that if he believes, and he's reporting this as a thing, that it's actual a story, a news story.
[00:52:22]  If he believes this to be true, there is no way that he cannot think that it was planned ahead of time.
[00:52:28]  Did you know five nights in a row in the build-up?
[00:52:32]  Well, the first four nights, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then, of course, Friday.
[00:52:35]  The four nights leading up to the shooting last Friday.
[00:52:38]  Yes, those are the days.
[00:52:39]  I heard about this from listeners.
[00:52:40]  I went and looked it up.
[00:52:41]  It was true.
[00:52:42]  CNN and MSNBC both, for the four nights leading up, were doing gun control.
[00:52:49]  We've got to ban the semi-autos.
[00:52:52]  I mean, how much more obvious does this get?
[00:52:54]  Okay, come on.
[00:52:57]  So...
[00:52:57]  Come on!
[00:52:58]  He's saying that CNN and MSNBC, in preparation for the shooting, had been running preparatory stories.
[00:53:09]  They were priming people to hate guns, so whenever a mass shooting happened that they knew was going to happen.
[00:53:15]  Or at least their handlers or whatever at higher levels dictated their propaganda stories.
[00:53:21]  Sure.
[00:53:21]  Yeah.
[00:53:23]  Come on!
[00:53:24]  No, that one is tough to get around.
[00:53:26]  I'm not sure I can make a good argument for that one.
[00:53:29]  I don't think you can get around that one.
[00:53:30]  I don't think I can.
[00:53:31]  No.
[00:53:31]  That's the first instance, I think, of like, okay, you're now committing to this road.
[00:53:37]  You're bringing in stuff that listeners have told you about, and you're pretending that you've confirmed.
[00:53:43]  Yeah.
[00:53:44]  And they are narratives that only serve...
[00:53:51]  structural integrity to your idea that it was fake.
[00:53:53]  Yeah.
[00:53:53]  That is intent and action encapsulated there.
[00:53:58]  And he even ended it with saying, how much more obvious could this be?
[00:54:01]  True.
[00:54:01]  Which is like, if you're saying it's so obvious, then you're saying that it happened the way you're saying it happened.
[00:54:09]  And it obviously did.
[00:54:10]  It obviously did.
[00:54:11]  Yeah.
[00:54:12]  And so I think that this is probably the point at which we can make a reasonable...
[00:54:17]  And fair statement that he believes it's fake.
[00:54:21]  Yes.
[00:54:22]  In some manner or another.
[00:54:24]  And it seems pretty clear that at this point it is that Ethan Hunt came in from the ceiling and shot the kids.
[00:54:32]  Yes.
[00:54:32]  Or whatever.
[00:54:33]  Some sort of secret agent within the globalist structure went in there and set up Adam Lanza to go.
[00:54:38]  It seems like that is where his head is.
[00:54:41]  He said that his gut tells him the White House or the people in charge and running things in the White House were involved.
[00:54:49]  I'm almost certain.
[00:54:51]  That this is the departure point for that.
[00:54:54]  He's saying that the government hired the A-team.
[00:54:56]  And it will only get worse from there, I think.
[00:54:58]  Because we know that he never sees the light until much, much later in terms of saying...
[00:55:06]  Until there's a lawsuit.
[00:55:07]  Right.
[00:55:07]  So I don't know.
[00:55:10]  I think it's just going to spiral out of control.
[00:55:13]  But he's afraid that they're going to take the guns, right?
[00:55:17]  And one of the things that he's already made the argument, and he said a couple times, that they're ramping up martial law stuff because of the Sandy Hook shooting.
[00:55:27]  He doesn't use a lot of specifics.
[00:55:29]  Right.
[00:55:31]  I just can't get this thought out of my head real quick.
[00:55:36]  We're at a week after Sandy Hook right now, right?
[00:55:40]  Less than a week.
[00:55:41]  Less than a week.
[00:55:41]  Four days after or something like that.
[00:55:42]  Four days after.
[00:55:44]  Oh, three days.
[00:55:45]  Three days.
[00:55:45]  Three days after.
[00:55:47]  And it took zero time for him to then say that it's all the left's fault.
[00:55:52]  Oh yeah, he is saying Democrats instead of the globalists.
[00:55:54]  They're interchangeable at this point.
[00:55:56]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:55:57]  He does scream a bunch about how the Republicans are just there to help you, the patriots, bend over for the Democrats who are the ones who are really running the ball down the field for the globalists.
[00:56:10]  Right.
[00:56:10]  So let's just put this juxtaposition together, alright?
[00:56:15]  And maybe this is why we lose.
[00:56:17]  Dan, we have heard 8 million clips in a row, basically, saying, I think it was fake, but with little different languages.
[00:56:25]  And you're like, we're going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
[00:56:28]  We're going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
[00:56:29]  I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt.
[00:56:32]  And it took three days after one of the worst mass shooting in America at the time for him to say that it's all Democrats' fault.
[00:56:43]  I'm just saying that this is why we lose.
[00:56:46]  I feel you on that.
[00:56:47]  They don't give a fuck.
[00:56:49]  I feel you on that, but I would also stipulate that I wouldn't respond this way if we were listening to this in 2012.
[00:56:55]  I am responding the way I am in part because we're listening to this years later.
[00:57:00]  And that's not to say there isn't any stakes involved in us covering this, but it's certainly not the same as if it was happening in real time in front was listening to these episodes and we were doing this podcast in 2012, I would probably have responded to the day of him saying it was fake, like with alarms going off.
[00:57:18]  You know, like, Alex is suggesting this is fake, guys.
[00:57:22]  You know, it would have been much more a big deal.
[00:57:25]  And I think...
[00:57:27]  One of the reasons I'm giving so many benefits of the doubt is because I know it's going to get really bad, and it'll be so much worse for him if we're fair.
[00:57:36]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:57:37]  Because I don't...
[00:57:38]  I'm just saying that's something that I cannot get out of my head, that just like, this is a lesson to learn.
[00:57:47]  This is a lesson to learn.
[00:57:49]  Somewhat.
[00:57:50]  I think applying that lesson...
[00:57:55]  Is on a case-by-case basis, and you've got to be careful with it, but there is an overarching lesson to learn, and a lot of times the other side doesn't care as much as you care, and that can be a hindrance, but I don't know.

=== Alex's Paragold Prozac Theory (11:16) ===

[00:58:09]  I don't know how to apply that across the board effectively, because if you do that across the board, then you...
[00:58:18]  Paint with a broad brush of all of your perceived enemies, and you give yourself carte blanche to never listen to anybody who might be not a horrible person.
[00:58:30]  I don't think it's so much...
[00:58:32]  I don't think that's what...
[00:58:34]  That's not what I'm trying to express there.
[00:58:35]  No, I understand.
[00:58:36]  I understand fully.
[00:58:37]  I'm just saying that the lesson is good, and the lesson is often very applicable, but if you universalize it, it's bad.
[00:58:45]  That's all I'm saying.
[00:58:45]  Yeah, I get what you're saying.
[00:58:46]  Okay.
[00:58:47]  So let's jump back.
[00:58:49]  Okay.
[00:58:50]  Here.
[00:58:50]  Because I got some fun stuff here.
[00:58:52]  Okay.
[00:58:53]  So on this show, Alex has not done a lot of news necessarily.
[00:58:58]  He's complained about Sandy Hook a bit and speculated that it's fake.
[00:59:01]  But I don't call that news necessarily.
[00:59:03]  No.
[00:59:03]  He had that one headline about the prepper thing, which is bogus as hell.
[00:59:08]  Right.
[00:59:09]  As we've discussed.
[00:59:10]  And now he gets into how he thinks that in response to Sandy Hook, they're bringing in martial law.
[00:59:15]  He brings up a headline, and it's real whack.
[00:59:19]  Paragold, Arkansas, Mayor Mike Gaskell and the police chief Todd Stovall announced a December 14th town hall meeting.
[00:59:28]  The beginning of the 2013 streets of their city were going to be patrolled by police officers wearing SWAT gear and AR-15s.
[00:59:37]  If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking.
[00:59:41]  And check your ID.
[00:59:43]  Wow, that's called martial law right there.
[00:59:45]  But the border's wide open, and the police are ordered to let illegal aliens drunk drive and do whatever they want.
[00:59:51]  Cops admit it.
[00:59:52]  Because it's all a joke.
[00:59:53]  It's about making sure you know you're a slave.
[00:59:58]  We've got the newscast linked, too.
[01:00:00]  It's like, the news is like, it's great, they're keeping us safe.
[01:00:02]  So we already, I mean, we got that nice juxtaposition between you, the slave, and illegal immigrants.
[01:00:09]  Yeah, so at least that's pretty consistent.
[01:00:11]  There should have been a bell that went off where he was like, the mayor of Parasol, Arkansas, and the bell goes off and you're like, don't care.
[01:00:20]  Nobody cares.
[01:00:20]  Nobody cares.
[01:00:21]  Paragold?
[01:00:22]  Nobody fucking cares about what the mayor of Paragold is doing.
[01:00:25]  What about the good people of Paragold?
[01:00:27]  Don't care.
[01:00:27]  We have a lot of listeners in Paragold.
[01:00:28]  Do not care.
[01:00:30]  We're big in Paragold.
[01:00:31]  Are we big in Paragold?
[01:00:32]  We're insulting our Paragold people.
[01:00:33]  I'm not insulting them.
[01:00:35]  I'm just saying as far as news goes.
[01:00:37]  We don't want them to live in martial law.
[01:00:38]  As far as news goes, if you bring up Paragold Arkansas, I shut down.
[01:00:42]  I don't care.
[01:00:43]  I can understand that.
[01:00:45]  But conversely, I turn on.
[01:00:47]  Because that is a specific...
[01:00:49]  I can find that news story.
[01:00:51]  It's obviously easy to track down.
[01:00:53]  Of course.
[01:00:54]  So Alex has an interesting take on this situation out of Paragold Arkansas.
[01:00:57]  He sees a story about police dressed up in SWAT gear patrolling the streets, and he instantly reports on it as somehow being related to the aftermath of Sandy Hook, when it in reality has nothing to do with that.
[01:01:09]  Reporting in the Arkansas Times reveals that Todd Stovall, the Paragold police chief, announced his plans for police in SWAT gear patrolling citizens in high crime areas in a town hall meeting on December 13th, the day before Sandy Hook happened.
[01:01:23]  In that clip we just listened to, Alex misreports the date of the meeting as being December 14th, because the way he wants to tell the story is that this happened as a result of the shooting, and as an example of the globalists'use of the shooting.
[01:01:34]  the shooting to bring in martial law.
[01:01:36]  But that story doesn't fly if the meeting happened the day before.
[01:01:39]  Anybody else, that might be excused as a slip of the tongue or getting a detail wrong in some sort of benign way.
[01:01:45]  But in this circumstance, with this dude, that seems very likely to me to be a straight Yeah.
[01:01:51]  In order to serve the narrative.
[01:01:52]  Especially because it would probably better serve his narrative if he did say that it was the day before.
[01:01:57]  Because then that's the globalists soft-launching their martial law.
[01:02:02]  Yeah.
[01:02:03]  And they're then going to, because they're picking Paragold, Arkansas, you know where the globalists want to try out all their new plans.
[01:02:09]  Right.
[01:02:10]  As they say, as Paragold goes, so goes the country.
[01:02:15]  It's a really interesting line because, yes, if...
[01:02:19]  He could say that they pushed this the day before Sandy Hook in the same way he's saying that CNN reported these anti-gun stories.
[01:02:27]  But that doesn't work if the premise is that this police chief's actions are motivated by Sandy Hook.
[01:02:34]  He can't have both of those things.
[01:02:36]  Right.
[01:02:36]  Oh, that's true.
[01:02:37]  It has to be after because the justification has to be Sandy Hook to rationalize martial law.
[01:02:43]  Right.
[01:02:44]  So that's why he has to lie about the date.
[01:02:46]  Okay.
[01:02:46]  New theory.
[01:02:47]  All right.
[01:02:48]  The police chief does this town hall and does not get a positive reaction.
[01:02:54]  Oh, he doesn't.
[01:02:54]  He doesn't?
[01:02:55]  No, he doesn't.
[01:02:56]  No, he doesn't.
[01:02:57]  Everybody hates it.
[01:02:58]  The media is all like, oh, it's great.
[01:03:00]  They were not.
[01:03:01]  Everybody hates it, right?
[01:03:02]  Real bad.
[01:03:03]  But he really wants to do this.
[01:03:05]  What does he do?
[01:03:07]  Goes all the way up Sandy Hook.
[01:03:09]  That's what he does.
[01:03:10]  And then he comes back and he's like, see?
[01:03:12]  My plan is a great plan.
[01:03:13]  It's time to take over Paragol.
[01:03:15]  But even after Sandy Hook, no one thought it was a good plan.
[01:03:18]  So Alex is also lying about the media and everyone else saying that they were excited about this idea.
[01:03:23]  There was quite a bit of backlash to Stovall's plans.
[01:03:26]  And it's clearly, you know...
[01:03:29]  It's an unnecessary move, and it would almost certainly be used in a pretty racist way.
[01:03:33]  No!
[01:03:34]  The police!
[01:03:35]  Their definition of high-crime areas and stop-and-frisk type behaviors.
[01:03:39]  In Arkansas?
[01:03:40]  Can you imagine?
[01:03:41]  Traditionally, that's, you know...
[01:03:43]  It's not done well.
[01:03:45]  Not the progressive bastion of Perigold, huh?
[01:03:49]  No.
[01:03:49]  But there's one piece of this whole thing that Alex isn't talking about, and it's not a coincidence that he's not talking about it.
[01:03:56]  You know who was leading the charge against Stovall's plan of what Alex calls martial law?
[01:04:01]  I don't.
[01:04:02]  It was Rita Sklar, the executive director of ACLU Arkansas, who said that Stovall had, quote, zero understanding of constitutional rights, period.
[01:04:11]  So the ACLU, Alex's sworn enemy and somebody who he thinks is an arm of the globalist, was the one organization on the ground that was organizing and acting against this guy's plan to foment martial law in Paragold.
[01:04:26]  Right, right, right.
[01:04:27]  I can see why the Sklar brothers don't take her with them on tour, but she seems pretty great at what she does.
[01:04:32]  There's a good sense of humor in that article.
[01:04:35]  Yeah, that isn't bad.
[01:04:36]  I mean, just saying he has no understanding of constitutional rights, period.
[01:04:40]  There's a little bit of that in there.
[01:04:41]  But then her response to one of his comments was just, you could just type out, ha.
[01:04:49]  All right.
[01:04:50]  Get her on tour, guys.
[01:04:52]  Come on.
[01:04:53]  Oh, you're just twins.
[01:04:55]  Fuck off.
[01:04:55]  You could use a sister.
[01:04:56]  Yeah.
[01:04:57]  So that story Alex is totally wrong about.
[01:05:00]  And now, in service of building up his other narrative that he talked a bit more about on the last episode, which was the idea that he's on Prozac.
[01:05:09]  He had these Prozac heads and stuff like that.
[01:05:11]  And that's what causes this.
[01:05:13]  He brings up another headline.
[01:05:14]  And it's always a problem when he brings up headlines.
[01:05:19]  Prozac faces ban over suicide fear.
[01:05:22]  Boom.
[01:05:22]  Daily Mail.
[01:05:23]  Boom.
[01:05:24]  Gotta love it when he says boom.
[01:05:27]  Is there anything that's going to be dunked on more than any sentence he says and ends with boom?
[01:05:33]  Boom!
[01:05:34]  Anytime he's like, see?
[01:05:35]  Knock it down.
[01:05:36]  That one's in my column.
[01:05:37]  It is the most dunkable.
[01:05:39]  This is the John Madden of propaganda.
[01:05:44]  So it's clear that Alex didn't read this article either, and he only knows the headline.
[01:05:47]  Because if he presented the contents of the article, it would go a long way to undermining the essential narrative that he's trying to present.
[01:05:56]  Before I get into the article, it's important to remember that he's presenting the idea that the globalists are trying to get everyone on Prozac because it'll make a certain percentage of the population kill themselves or kill others, and the globalists can then use those killings as an excuse to carry out their nefarious plans.
[01:06:12]  He's not just a concerned citizen who thinks a certain medication is dangerous.
[01:06:16]  He believes that evil globalists are giving it to you and the public to fuck them up.
[01:06:21]  Now, in this article, you immediately find some red flags.
[01:06:25]  This Daily Mail article.
[01:06:27]  The first is this passage.
[01:06:28]  Quote, Teenagers could be barred from being prescribed Prozac and other antidepressants amid fears that they may increase the risk of suicide.
[01:06:35]  Using antidepressants, increased suicide-related behavior in children and adolescents, said the London-based European Medicines Agency.
[01:06:44]  The agency did not find any evidence of deaths caused by the drugs.
[01:06:49]  So clearly, the first problem is even the organization that's lobbying to get Prozac banned admits that they have zero actual cases where Prozac caused someone's death.
[01:06:58]  That's a problem for Alex's argument, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for him to wiggle out of it by saying they reclassified deaths or something like that.
[01:07:05]  The bigger problem, and the one he can't wiggle out of, is that this ban was being promoted and pushed by the European Medicines Agency.
[01:07:12]  Why is that a problem?
[01:07:14]  Because the EMA was specifically created in 1995 by funding from the European Union exclusively to exist as a body within the EU.
[01:07:24]  Their website is ema.europa.eu, and while they used to be based in London, they've since had to relocate to Amsterdam after Brexit because they're an EU body.
[01:07:34]  This is entirely anathema to Alex's narrative.
[01:07:37]  He's literally saying that globalists want to give you Prozac to kill you, and at the same time, the medical arm of the EU, the world's largest globalist entity, is actively campaigning to ban Prozac.
[01:07:48]  In the world of this man, who just swims in contradictions, this one is still pretty impressive.
[01:07:56]  Everything he's saying is upside down world.
[01:08:01]  It's bananas.
[01:08:02]  It's not.
[01:08:03]  It's an indication that he doesn't know any of these things.
[01:08:06]  Right.
[01:08:06]  It seems like you could just say European Medicines Agency and kind of guess, right?
[01:08:13]  Like, even if it's based in London, this is also pre-Brexit.
[01:08:16]  Yeah.
[01:08:17]  Well pre-Brexit, when Britain is still in the EU.
[01:08:21]  Yeah.
[01:08:21]  But it's literally called the European Medicines Agency.
[01:08:24]  Yep.
[01:08:25]  Like, it's probably part of the EU.
[01:08:28]  Yep.
[01:08:28]  But that, to me, is evidence that he either didn't read the article or doesn't give a fuck.
[01:08:35]  No, he doesn't give a fuck.
[01:08:36]  Well, I could also see him not reading the article because the headline is the sort of thing that leads him to say, boom!
[01:08:43]  Right.
[01:08:43]  So why read the article if the headline is...
[01:08:46]  It already delivered.
[01:08:47]  It's the perceived slam dunk.
[01:08:48]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:08:49]  It's the equivalent of slam dunk where you hit the back of the rim and the ball bounces back all the way to half court, but you think that you dunked, and so you flex when you get down to the ground.
[01:09:01]  Wizards era Jordan in the All-Star game.
[01:09:03]  You're really clowning on somebody that you didn't dunk on.

=== Jesse's Basketball Metaphor (15:44) ===

[01:09:06]  You know, that sort of thing.
[01:09:07]  That's kind of the feeling that I have here.
[01:09:10]  It'd be like if Steph Curry took one of those threes where he shoots it and it looks so pretty and he turns around before he even watches it.
[01:09:18]  Before it even goes in.
[01:09:20]  He doesn't even need to watch it go in.
[01:09:22]  And it just misses by a mile and nobody tells him.
[01:09:25]  Everybody just moves on like it didn't happen.
[01:09:27]  I might have done that once back when I used to play basketball.
[01:09:30]  Yeah.
[01:09:31]  In like junior high or something like that.
[01:09:32]  Just really got cocky about how good a ball felt coming off my hands.
[01:09:37]  Completely missed.
[01:09:38]  Yeah, that's...
[01:09:38]  Real embarrassing.
[01:09:39]  Real embarrassing.
[01:09:41]  You should probably be the best shooter in the history of the sport before you start playing around with those moves.
[01:09:47]  Well, I was, you know, 13 or whatever and thought I was hot shit.
[01:09:51]  So, all this is to say that, like, it is this weird line of, like, I think that you have a responsibility to do better.
[01:09:58]  Like, no matter what.
[01:09:59]  No matter what kind of place we're going to land in terms of his...
[01:10:02]  Like, what version of Sandy Hook is fake is he espousing?
[01:10:06]  Any of that stuff.
[01:10:07]  He has a moral obligation to do a better job than this, and it's evidenced by how bad these stories that he's using are.
[01:10:15]  If you just read the story, it says the opposite of what he says it is, but he uses the headline to reinforce whatever terrible road he's going down.
[01:10:25]  This is the act of a completely irresponsible person.
[01:10:28]  And it's a bad actor.
[01:10:30]  It's someone who has something that they want to work towards as opposed to find out more about.
[01:10:35]  I think we can agree, no matter where we land on any of that stuff, that this next clip is deeply immoral.
[01:10:42]  No, this isn't good.
[01:10:43]  And for the first time probably in the, you know what, when we're done with this episode, it'll be four days worth of episodes after Sandy Hook that I've heard of Alex's.
[01:10:53]  This was the first time that I sort of shuddered a little bit.
[01:10:56]  Thankfully, it's not really about the shooting itself.
[01:10:59]  He's trying to make fun of Obama and his response to the shooting.
[01:11:04]  He plays some of Obama's speech.
[01:11:05]  And the way he's acting, I find so deeply reprehensible that, I don't know, we'll see on the I know there's not a parent in America who doesn't feel the same.
[01:11:19]  Overwhelming grief that I do.
[01:11:22]  His only grief is that...
[01:11:23]  The majority of those who died today were children.
[01:11:28]  Beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.
[01:11:32]  Well, but you have grief that the vaccine didn't, like, kill them slowly, or...
[01:11:36]  Oh, oh, oh, oh, fake tear.
[01:11:39]  Oh, oh, oh.
[01:11:41]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:11:43]  Oh, my gosh, their lower mandibles.
[01:11:44]  They had their entire lives ahead of them.
[01:11:46]  And I couldn't start doing them.
[01:11:49]  Graduations.
[01:11:50]  Weddings.
[01:11:52]  Kids of their own.
[01:11:53]  Taxes to pay me and the foreign banks.
[01:11:56]  Chemotherapy.
[01:11:58]  Then he cries out the other eye.
[01:11:59]  Among the fallen were also teachers.
[01:12:01]  Men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children.
[01:12:04]  They're in the victim shooting center.
[01:12:07]  So our hearts are broken today.
[01:12:08]  Okay, that's enough.
[01:12:09]  Yeah, our hearts are broken, so let me now demonize the Second Amendment the country was founded on.
[01:12:13]  I mean, these are total opportunists.
[01:12:15]  It's just gross.
[01:12:17]  It's an inhuman response.
[01:12:19]  The idea of seeing this person and then being like, oh, well, he's just sad he couldn't kill him slowly with vaccines.
[01:12:25]  He's just mad that they didn't grow up to pay him taxes.
[01:12:28]  Yeah, this is Westboro Baptist Church heckling at a funeral kind of thing.
[01:12:32]  Yeah, it's bad.
[01:12:35]  His response is very, very bad.
[01:12:37]  Fucking take an hour off.
[01:12:39]  Just take an hour off and let that speech be what it is and then move on.
[01:12:44]  Don't do that.
[01:12:45]  That's fucking disgusting.
[01:12:47]  Yeah, it's pretty bad.
[01:12:48]  He also accuses Obama of using neuro-linguistic programming.
[01:12:52]  I just didn't even include that clip because it's clear from his words he doesn't really understand what that is.
[01:12:57]  No.
[01:12:57]  And I don't care to get into it.
[01:12:58]  I think what he thinks is he's talking well.
[01:13:03]  Obama is using neuro-linguistic programming or...
[01:13:07]  Oratory.
[01:13:08]  I think he's implying that he's able to put people into a trance or something like that.
[01:13:14]  He's using magic words.
[01:13:15]  Well, that's why he can't allow that.
[01:13:17]  He could never, ever...
[01:13:19]  I don't know why he played that speech other than to, like...
[01:13:22]  I suppose it's a preemptive defense against empathy.
[01:13:27]  Because if he were to have played that speech in its entirety, even on his show...
[01:13:31]  There's no way that his listeners are going to heckle the same way.
[01:13:35]  Some of them, I'm sure, would.
[01:13:37]  But there have to be plenty of his listeners.
[01:13:40]  There's no way that all of his listeners are psychopaths.
[01:13:43]  No.
[01:13:43]  And if you listen to that fucking speech, at the very least, you recognize humanity.
[01:13:50]  Even if you hate everything Obama stands for.
[01:13:53]  Even if you think he's the worst president in history.
[01:13:55]  If you just listen to that entire speech, uninterrupted, you're like...
[01:14:00]  I feel ya.
[01:14:02]  So he has to heckle.
[01:14:05]  He has to build up a this display of a real emotion and a real human response to this must be fake lest I be compared to it.
[01:14:19]  Exactly.
[01:14:19]  Or something along those lines.
[01:14:21]  Yeah, I think there's probably a piece of that in there.
[01:14:23]  So I'm going to skip this next clip because it doesn't really matter, and he says very similar things, but he's just trying to make the argument that when people get killed with cars, you don't blame auto manufacturers and stuff like that.
[01:14:35]  Sometimes you do.
[01:14:36]  Well, when there's defaults and stuff like that.
[01:14:38]  Yeah, sure.
[01:14:39]  But he's saying that when people get killed with guns, you blame gun organizations and stuff like that.
[01:14:45]  And one of the reasons for that is because those groups, like the NRA, they lobby against...
[01:14:51]  These sort of regulations that the automobile industry is subject to.
[01:14:55]  Exactly.
[01:14:56]  So the conversation isn't you should blame the manufacturer for making the thing that's used to hurt people.
[01:15:01]  It's these organizations actively disallow people to take care of the problems that their products create.
[01:15:10]  So anyway, I don't really care.
[01:15:12]  Whatever.
[01:15:13]  In this next clip, Alex talks about how he sees more false terrorism coming.
[01:15:19]  That part isn't new?
[01:15:21]  But then he says something at the end of this that's real wild.
[01:15:24]  It's going to be hammered down, folks.
[01:15:26]  They're going to stage terror attacks and blame it on us.
[01:15:28]  It's going to be battle.
[01:15:29]  They'll probably release a bioweapon.
[01:15:32]  Who knows how bad it'll be.
[01:15:33]  Pray to God is all I can say.
[01:15:36]  Because let me tell you something.
[01:15:37]  I would not be up here on air.
[01:15:38]  I would be hightailing it to Ireland or Switzerland.
[01:15:42]  Not that they're perfect, but I would be doing the show every day from a studio in Europe only because I'm a target here.
[01:15:49]  If I wasn't trusting in God right now, folks, I would be evacuating right now.
[01:15:54]  Gone.
[01:15:55]  Boom.
[01:15:55]  I mean, this is a real tyranny.
[01:15:57]  This is an evil, illegitimate government that's built re-education camps and bought 1.6 billion bullets, okay?
[01:16:04]  Okay.
[01:16:04]  So, I think, you know, why would you want to go to Europe?
[01:16:11]  They have stronger First Amendment protections there.
[01:16:13]  Wait, no, they don't.
[01:16:14]  They don't have a constitution with the Bill of Rights at all.
[01:16:20]  He hates the EU.
[01:16:21]  Why would he get a studio in Europe if he's going to be...
[01:16:25]  I genuinely think he doesn't think Ireland is part of the EU.
[01:16:29]  He's like, it's an island.
[01:16:30]  It can't be part of the EU.
[01:16:32]  I think he just...
[01:16:32]  I don't know.
[01:16:33]  I don't even think he says that he's Irish, generally.
[01:16:36]  He always talks about his Welsh heritage.
[01:16:39]  Switzerland, I guess.
[01:16:40]  I get that.
[01:16:41]  The impartiality historically and stuff like that.
[01:16:45]  Nazis hiding stuff in their banks.
[01:16:48]  Lax tax laws?
[01:16:49]  Yeah, I guess.
[01:16:51]  I don't know.
[01:16:52]  That's just really weird to me.
[01:16:53]  But a lot of those pieces are things that are just super consistent over years and years.
[01:16:57]  He was saying that they're going to release a bioweapon.
[01:16:59]  We fucking heard him say that in 2009.
[01:17:01]  He says that all the time.
[01:17:03]  Re-education camps, that's just FEMA camp nonsense.
[01:17:06]  All this is just the same stuff that he's now using to fit the immediacy of this crisis that he has in front of him.
[01:17:14]  And even talking about the fleeing.
[01:17:17]  Oh, he does that all the time.
[01:17:19]  Well, not necessarily all the time, but it's still in service of this being an immediate thing.
[01:17:24]  Right.
[01:17:24]  Which is also a method, not neuro-linguistic programming necessarily, but a way of hacking into people's brains.
[01:17:33]  To make whatever argument you're trying to make more important, more severe than it would be heard otherwise.
[01:17:42]  I mean, every argument that he's making...
[01:17:45]  Usually comes down to an adrenal, an appeal to adrenaline, I suppose.
[01:17:52]  Because everything is always, we need to fight this or we need to run away from this.
[01:17:56]  Sure.
[01:17:57]  Like that kind of thing.
[01:17:58]  It's always fight or flight with him.
[01:17:59]  That's the dichotomy in that clip.
[01:18:01]  Exactly.
[01:18:01]  I want to flee, but I'm staying to fight because I trust God or whatever.
[01:18:06]  Yeah.
[01:18:07]  So at this point...
[01:18:07]  We have a new logical fallacy.
[01:18:09]  I don't know if it's new, but...
[01:18:11]  Appeal to adrenal.
[01:18:13]  I'm sure there is a technical term for that, but at this point, Alex goes out to break like this, this next clip, and it made me have a realization that I don't think I've ever had before, and I really should have.
[01:18:26]  I should have realized this earlier.
[01:18:28]  Get locked in.
[01:18:30]  We're coming back straight ahead in defense of the Republic.
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[01:18:45]  The transmission continues from occupied zone 6. Stay with us.
[01:18:51]  So the realization that I had is Alex Jones is basically a militia dork.
[01:18:57]  He's really kind of like, you know, like, the way he's reveling in, talking about, like, we're in occupied.
[01:19:04]  Yeah.
[01:19:05]  FEMA Region 6. Like, all that stuff is like, he is, like, part of it is this sort of spy novel that he's cast himself in.
[01:19:13]  Right.
[01:19:13]  But the other part is, he's a nerd.
[01:19:16]  He is a fucking nerd, but without any of the intellectual aspects of it.
[01:19:21]  Yeah.
[01:19:22]  He's just the annoying parts of nerds.
[01:19:24]  Yeah, he's a Civil War reenactor.
[01:19:26]  But on the radio.
[01:19:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:19:29]  That's a good point.
[01:19:30]  He would be like the town crier in a Civil War reenactment.
[01:19:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:34]  Who just lied about stuff.
[01:19:37]  Yeah, it's just...
[01:19:39]  Hear ye, hear ye!
[01:19:41]  Everything is fine!
[01:19:42]  I don't know why it stuck out so much to me, but I'm like, so much of his behavior is so dorky.
[01:19:48]  It is just...
[01:19:49]  It is absurd.
[01:19:51]  But listening to that clip, for some reason, I was like...
[01:19:53]  Man, what about this fucking nerd?
[01:19:54]  Yeah, especially with...
[01:19:55]  And of course you don't recognize that because he comes off posturing as so masculine as this jock.
[01:20:01]  Yeah.
[01:20:02]  And then at the heart of it, though, he's just like a little geeky, like, man, wouldn't it be cool if I was in a militia?
[01:20:08]  Like, he's that dude.
[01:20:09]  Yeah, I would assume any real militia person would probably be able to smell that.
[01:20:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:20:15]  I don't know.
[01:20:15]  He would get his ass kicked.
[01:20:16]  It seems like it.
[01:20:17]  Yeah.
[01:20:18]  Although every story he tells...
[01:20:20]  Goes the other way.
[01:20:21]  Which is exactly what a dork would do.
[01:20:27]  Hey everybody, Dan here.
[01:20:29]  Just wanted to take a little break in the episode to call myself out about something.
[01:20:33]  So, at this point in the episode, Alex has a guest on who I've never heard on before and has the unfortunately very generic name Matt Williams.
[01:20:43]  He's on to talk to Alex just about how he loves guns.
[01:20:46]  He's a guy who teaches concealed carry classes.
[01:20:49]  And he's just, you know, it's just fear-mongering and paranoia peddling about the gun grabbers.
[01:20:56]  What have you.
[01:20:57]  Very standard interview.
[01:20:59]  Not really a whole ton worth going into.
[01:21:03]  I believed in the lead-up to this episode and my preparation, I thought I'd figured out who Matt Williams was.
[01:21:10]  And so a lot of the conversation that Jordan and I had about the interview, even though the interview itself, quite bland and unnotable, dealt with who I thought he was.
[01:21:20]  And it turns out that after we had recorded and when I started editing up the episode, I challenged some of my own assumptions and wanted to make sure that I was correct about Me thinking that I figured out who this guy was, and after giving it another once-over, I'm not confident that I know who this guy is.
[01:21:43]  So I removed all of this stuff where we talk about him, which is why I needed to give you all this little bumper, and mostly also because in this next clip, Alex is going to be talking to Matt Williams, and Matt is going to say something that I think is really great.
[01:22:02]  And I didn't want to cut out of the episode because I think it's an important piece of the episode.
[01:22:09]  But I had to remove the stuff where I just can't stand behind it.
[01:22:14]  Got to be on the up and up about this.
[01:22:16]  So, yeah, I guess that's the situation.
[01:22:19]  So, anyway, back to the episode.
[01:22:22]  So, earlier in the episode, Alex talked to Jesse Ventura.
[01:22:25]  He had him on, and I was very interested to hear what Jesse Ventura's take on this whole thing was.
[01:22:30]  It was fine.
[01:22:32]  That's why there's no clips of it.
[01:22:34]  His response to it is...
[01:22:35]  It's a tragedy, Alex.
[01:22:37]  It's as fine as it can be, but at the same time, he is on the side of arming teachers and stuff like that.
[01:22:45]  So that's not great, but it's not really helpful to any of our investigative purposes.
[01:22:51]  It's just like, oh, you have that dumb idea.
[01:22:53]  Okay.
[01:22:54]  I was really interested to hear if he came down on Alex's side on this or anything, but he...
[01:22:59]  He doesn't really.
[01:23:00]  He just gave a nothing.
[01:23:02]  But he does say that you should arm the teachers.
[01:23:05]  And actually, one of his perspective ideas was take people who are soldiers in foreign countries, bring them back.
[01:23:13]  Give them jobs at the school where they're secretly commandos.
[01:23:17]  Oh, no!
[01:23:18]  Have them be the janitor at the school, but they're secretly a commando.
[01:23:21]  This is not the predator.
[01:23:21]  This is not the predator.
[01:23:24]  Jesse Ventura, no.
[01:23:26]  This is a plot.
[01:23:27]  That is not a good plan.
[01:23:29]  This is one of your shitty movies, Jesse.
[01:23:32]  Stop it.
[01:23:33]  So that's his idea.
[01:23:34]  And Alex mirrors that, at least in terms of arming the teachers and that sort of thing.
[01:23:39]  And so he tries to bring this up to Matt Williams at the end of this episode, and Matt accidentally completely destroys the argument that having teachers be armed is worth a damn.
[01:23:52]  But, I mean, they know right now, have the sheriff train and deputize whoever wants to be in the school, and then that's the end of it.
[01:24:00]  That would be...
[01:24:02]  It's logical to actually implement a deputy officer.
[01:24:05]  I went to a really bad high school, so we actually had a substation in our high school.
[01:24:09]  It didn't stop shootings, it didn't stop stabbings, and it didn't stop drug activity.
[01:24:12]  You were in, what was it, Miami?
[01:24:14]  South Miami.
[01:24:16]  South Ridge Senior High.
[01:24:18]  It was back in the 80s in South Florida, so it had its problems altogether.
[01:24:22]  E. Howard Hunt always called it Miami, so that's why I called it.
[01:24:24]  My grandma called it that, and she's from Texas.
[01:24:26]  Miami.
[01:24:27]  Miami.
[01:24:28]  Why do you pronounce it Miami because of E. Howard Hunt?
[01:24:32]  Why wouldn't you?
[01:24:33]  Alex, why is E. Howard Hunt a linguistic reference point for you?

=== Defective Guns Safety Ignored (11:41) ===

[01:24:38]  Weird.
[01:24:39]  That is weird.
[01:24:40]  And then second, the argument that Alex is making is arm the teachers, have an officer in the school, and Matt Williams' response is like, yeah, that makes sense.
[01:24:47]  We had a substation in our school and it didn't do shit.
[01:24:50]  So, hey, guess what?
[01:24:52]  From the anecdotal evidence that your gun-loving guest is bringing to the table, it doesn't work.
[01:24:59]  Right.
[01:24:59]  So, you should probably abandon that argument.
[01:25:02]  Alex, what I think we should do...
[01:25:04]  That veered into Silence of the Lambs territory.
[01:25:08]  That one didn't go well.
[01:25:10]  Buffalo Ventura.
[01:25:12]  So that brings us to the end of the 17th.
[01:25:15]  And we'll jump into the 18th.
[01:25:17]  And there's much less to talk about on the 18th.
[01:25:20]  The 18th is so much of the same.
[01:25:23]  So much just defending guns.
[01:25:26]  No real...
[01:25:27]  Nothing really to speak of necessarily, at least big picture, about the...
[01:25:33]  Is it fake?
[01:25:33]  Is it not?
[01:25:35]  His position is still pretty similar.
[01:25:38]  And most of the stuff in the episode is just not interesting at all.
[01:25:41]  He has an interview with Larry Pratt.
[01:25:44]  Who's the guy who runs the More Extreme NRA group.
[01:25:48]  And it's what you expect.
[01:25:50]  They're just like, hey, we love guns.
[01:25:51]  Who cares?
[01:25:52]  It doesn't really help anything.
[01:25:54]  We've already established that firmly.
[01:25:56]  We love guns in the N-word.
[01:25:57]  Don't worry about it.
[01:25:58]  And they're not talking about Sandy Hook in any meaningful way outside of, we're afraid that people are going to use it to take our guns.
[01:26:07]  So, that said, there are a couple things that are important.
[01:26:11]  And the first thing that's important is...
[01:26:14]  At the beginning of this episode, we get a special report from Mike Adams.
[01:26:19]  Oh, no, not the Health Ranger.
[01:26:21]  The Health Ranger.
[01:26:21]  God damn it.
[01:26:22]  Why is the Health Ranger involved?
[01:26:24]  Well, because he loves guns, too.
[01:26:25]  I don't understand why exactly.
[01:26:27]  They're very healthy.
[01:26:28]  Very healthy.
[01:26:29]  He has one with a salad every morning.
[01:26:31]  He is on...
[01:26:32]  And he's doing this piece about, basically, the idea that...
[01:26:40]  Uh, hey, guns don't kill people, people kill people.
[01:26:43]  That sort of thing.
[01:26:44]  And so what he's doing is he's, uh, the video of it is him, like, looking at a gun and, like, trying to make it go off without his own action.
[01:26:51]  Ugh, fuck you.
[01:26:52]  It's pretty bad.
[01:26:53]  Fuck off.
[01:26:54]  It's much longer than the clip I'm going to play, but this clip should give you a sense of where he's at.
[01:27:00]  And guess what it took to actually make it shoot?
[01:27:04]  It took a human being...
[01:27:06]  Touching the trigger, making a decision to pull the trigger in a safe direction, by the way.
[01:27:11]  There's a backstop over that way.
[01:27:13]  Are you jerking off right now?
[01:27:15]  And actually having a conscious being do that.
[01:27:18]  The gun didn't kill anything all by itself.
[01:27:21]  Now, I know what you're thinking.
[01:27:23]  Maybe handguns don't automatically kill people, but maybe shotguns do.
[01:27:29]  Take our Benelli M4 tactical shotgun.
[01:27:33]  I'm thinking I want to make sure the camera is on your head, not anything else.
[01:27:36]  On just about any ranch.
[01:27:38]  It's also great for home defense anywhere.
[01:27:41]  Let's see if we can make this shoot by itself.
[01:27:48]  Shoot!
[01:27:50]  The right's really taken over comedy.
[01:27:52]  Shoot!
[01:27:53]  They're so funny.
[01:27:55]  What a pathetic shotgun.
[01:27:58]  I know, the safety's on.
[01:28:00]  Ah, there we go.
[01:28:02]  Oh, God, I want him to hurt himself so bad.
[01:28:04]  Now it should shoot, right?
[01:28:05]  Now it'll kill something.
[01:28:06]  I want him to shoot himself in the foot so bad.
[01:28:10]  What if he did?
[01:28:11]  God, please blow your own foot off.
[01:28:14]  So, Mike Adams is out here doing a pathetic comedy piece about how guns don't kill people, trying to stress that his gun doesn't fire by itself and that a person has to do that part.
[01:28:23]  On the one hand, it's kind of an example of missing the point of what people are complaining about when they say that guns kill people.
[01:28:29]  But more importantly, it's just wrong.
[01:28:32]  In 2000, the year 2000, Barbara Barber accidentally shot her 9-year-old son Gus with a Remington Model 700.
[01:28:39]  I say accidentally because she didn't even touch the trigger.
[01:28:42]  The gun just went off and her son was killed.
[01:28:44]  She decided to take legal action and it turned out that she wasn't the first person to experience this from Remington.
[01:28:49]  A class action lawsuit in a CNBC investigation revealed that as many as 7.5 million guns sold by Remington could be susceptible to a design flaw where the gun could accidentally fire without the trigger being pulled.
[01:29:02]  They allege that at least 100 injuries and 24 deaths were attributable to this happening.
[01:29:07]  Guns going off all by themselves without being touched.
[01:29:10]  The very thing that Mike Adams is mocking the idea of in this field piece.
[01:29:14]  And the Remington case isn't even close to the only one.
[01:29:18]  In 2013, Iowa Sheriff's Deputy Chris Carter sued a gun manufacturer named Forhas Torres after his PT-140 Millennium Pro pistol spontaneously discharged after it fell out of his holster.
[01:29:31]  In the suit, it was discovered that nine different guns Taurus produced could potentially fire if they were, quote, bumped or dropped or when the safety is on and the trigger is pulled.
[01:29:41]  That's not good.
[01:29:42]  You know, that's the type of thing where if you were a car manufacturer and you made a car that killed people, they would sue you.
[01:29:50]  And then regulations would be passed.
[01:29:52]  Oh, but all these people who have definitely not received money from the NRA consistently vote against the idea that you're able to sue gun manufacturers.
[01:30:01]  It's crazy.
[01:30:02]  This problem was estimated as potentially affecting approximately 956,000 guns in the U.S. alone.
[01:30:08]  The idea that you had the safety on, you pull the trigger, it could still shoot.
[01:30:12]  This case was settled in 2016 with tourists offering to repair or buy back affected guns, but here's where the evil aspect of this comes in.
[01:30:20]  They weren't required to recall the guns, and as such, they didn't have to warn people about the danger that those almost one million guns posed to law-abiding, completely responsible gun owners.
[01:30:31]  That is fucking insane.
[01:30:32]  It's nuts.
[01:30:33]  What?
[01:30:33]  What?
[01:30:33]  Yeah.
[01:30:34]  What?
[01:30:34]  And the story...
[01:30:35]  What the fuck?
[01:30:36]  And the story that brought this to light was a family whose son, who was a responsible shooter, ended up shooting himself because of this malfunction in a Taurus gun.
[01:30:47]  And they were furious about the idea that, like, no one sent out any kind of warning that you should get your gun checked if you have one of these guns.
[01:30:58]  Nobody.
[01:31:00]  God, that can't be real!
[01:31:03]  It's real.
[01:31:03]  That can't be!
[01:31:05]  That's fucking crazy!
[01:31:07]  It's so crazy.
[01:31:08]  Part of the problem is that, unlike pretty much every other product that's sold on the market, there is no governmental body that can recall a broke-ass gun.
[01:31:16]  The gun lobby and people like Alex have made sure that any attempt in that direction can never go anywhere.
[01:31:21]  Specifically, the NRA had a close relationship with Taurus, which explains why they, presumably a gun safety organization, didn't warn their members about the danger that these defective guns posed.
[01:31:32]  All this is to say that Mike Adams is a fucking idiot.
[01:31:35]  Gun manufacturers rely on people like him to muddy the water and make sure that people think all criticisms of their actions are actually veiled attempts to take everyone's guns, when often the criticisms are really as simple as something like, your product is defective and caused me to kill my own child, and you shouldn't be able to sell a product so severely defective.
[01:31:54]  That's not an attack on the Second Amendment at all.
[01:31:56]  This is a conversation that, like, you can't have a conversation about reasonable gun ownership, responsible gun rights, until you have the same oversight that's applied to everything else applied to guns.
[01:32:08]  As evidenced by these, and Alex would minimize this, being like, oh, what, 24 people were killed by those Remington guns that were defective?
[01:32:16]  Yes!
[01:32:17]  Yes!
[01:32:17]  24 people were killed!
[01:32:20]  I...
[01:32:21]  God damn it.
[01:32:23]  God fucking damn it.
[01:32:25]  And that's only the ones that can be definitively traced back to this.
[01:32:29]  That is fucking crazy.
[01:32:31]  That is genuinely fucking crazy.
[01:32:34]  That makes...
[01:32:35]  That's evil!
[01:32:36]  That's literally evil!
[01:32:38]  It is.
[01:32:39]  That is the definition of literally...
[01:32:41]  That...
[01:32:41]  Oh my fucking God!
[01:32:45]  Yep.
[01:32:45]  And the NRA didn't even give a fuck if its members got murdered by these guns.
[01:32:53]  Or their children.
[01:32:53]  The NRA specifically went out of their way because they fucking knew about it.
[01:32:58]  So even if you are a gun owner and you think that you're protected by the NRA's lobbying, they're actively killing you.
[01:33:06]  Or at least not caring as you kill your children or yourself.
[01:33:10]  Yeah.
[01:33:11]  The idea that it's presented as a gun safety organization, when issues of gun safety like this are ignored, that is disqualifying as you being able to call yourself that.
[01:33:23]  If you are a gun safety organization, then one major thing is you should be on the side of recalling defective guns.
[01:33:32]  Because they will kill people.
[01:33:34]  It's not like, I don't know, maybe a defective toaster could kill somebody.
[01:33:38]  It could.
[01:33:39]  You could get electrocuted or something like that.
[01:33:41]  But that's why they get recalled.
[01:33:42]  And then GE would get fucking sued and they would have to recall them.
[01:33:45]  That's why those things are in place.
[01:33:47]  Fucking lettuce gets recalled.
[01:33:49]  Right.
[01:33:49]  And lettuce is designed as food, not as specifically put bullets in living things guns.
[01:33:55]  Big lettuce.
[01:33:56]  That's unreal.
[01:33:57]  Yep.
[01:33:58]  Yep.
[01:33:59]  Because there's only two ways to go.
[01:34:01]  There's only two ways to go if you're the NRA.
[01:34:03]  If you're the NRA, you say, we need to have these recalled.
[01:34:08]  Because this reflects poorly on gun owners.
[01:34:11]  You would hope that's the direction they'd go.
[01:34:13]  Or, the other direction is lobby so fucking hard, you immunize every gun manufacturer to this level, to this extent, of just, you can kill!
[01:34:25]  You can kill!
[01:34:26]  Go for it!
[01:34:27]  In articles I was reading, too, about that specific manufacturer, Taurus, their history is super messed up.
[01:34:33]  Their parent company operates out of Brazil.
[01:34:35]  And they had bought up a competitor, so they provided like 90% of the guns that were sold and produced in Brazil.
[01:34:43]  And the Brazilian government has a law in place where law enforcement has to buy Brazilian-made...
[01:34:50]  Yeah.
[01:34:51]  And so they're basically the sole supplier of the military and police's guns, and nine of their models were completely defective, or at least potentially had the very serious risk of being completely defective.
[01:35:06]  Well, in their defense, in future guns, they did mark it as the unsafety as opposed to the safety.
[01:35:12]  I did watch a video, too, of the lawyer who was...
[01:35:16]  Running that case.
[01:35:18]  Demonstrating how the defect works.
[01:35:21]  With an unloaded gun.
[01:35:22]  It's crazy.
[01:35:25]  You watch him very meticulously turn on the safety and then pull the trigger and it's like, this would have fired.
[01:35:33]  It does the exact same thing with the safety on.
[01:35:37]  Dude, if you read interviews with him, while I filed my briefs and my lawsuit...
[01:35:43]  One of the things that I put very specifically into the language was that this has nothing to do with Second Amendment rights, people's rights to have guns.
[01:35:51]  This is very clearly a product quality defective issue.
[01:35:55]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:35:55]  And still, everyone was against it.
[01:35:58]  Yeah, this is just like, hey, we are selling this Pinto.

=== Local Thai Restaurant Expansion (05:12) ===

[01:36:01]  We think it's a great idea.
[01:36:03]  We love it.
[01:36:04]  And it turns out the car lobbies have made it so if your car explodes, we don't even have to tell anybody.
[01:36:10]  That's unreal.
[01:36:11]  Keep it on the low.
[01:36:13]  Unreal.
[01:36:14]  Yep.
[01:36:15]  Messed up.
[01:36:16]  Wow.
[01:36:17]  How did that lawyer not just, like, rip his hair out and become a fucking monk?
[01:36:22]  He didn't seem happy.
[01:36:23]  Yeah.
[01:36:24]  So, there's breaking news that has developed on the 18th, and that is that a local Thai restaurant in Austin...
[01:36:32]  I'm sorry.
[01:36:34]  Opened a new branch in Perigold, Arkansas.
[01:36:37]  Did not, no.
[01:36:38]  It's...
[01:36:39]  The owner of this Thai restaurant apparently said in a since-deleted Facebook post, and when I mean since, I mean by the time Alex is reporting on it, that he fails to give a shit about the kids who died at Sandy Hook in as much as I don't care that white children are being killed.
[01:36:58]  Something along those lines.
[01:36:59]  Shitty.
[01:37:00]  Yeah.
[01:37:01]  Not good.
[01:37:01]  Not great.
[01:37:02]  Not a good response.
[01:37:03]  Not great.
[01:37:03]  Pretty bad.
[01:37:04]  I would say quite bad.
[01:37:06]  So Alex dispatches David Knight and Jakari Jackson to go to the Thai restaurant.
[01:37:11]  We gotta get the dream team together to fucking really get to the bottom of this shit.
[01:37:16]  And politely harass the owner of this Thai restaurant.
[01:37:20]  I will give you the bad news first.
[01:37:22]  What's that?
[01:37:22]  He wasn't there?
[01:37:23]  The show ends before they get back with any reports.
[01:37:26]  Of course!
[01:37:26]  So we have no idea how that went.
[01:37:29]  We might find out next episode.
[01:37:30]  I'm not entirely sure.
[01:37:31]  But, Alex, in talking about this Thai restaurant, Makes this statement, and he's really angry about the racism of, like, I don't care about these white kids being shot.
[01:37:42]  Of course he is.
[01:37:44]  And then he says this proclamation about, what if I did that about other groups?
[01:37:49]  Their pad tie isn't even that good.
[01:37:51]  I'll guarantee you, folks, if I got on air when there was, say, a gangland shooting in Chicago where a couple black kids got killed, and if I said, who cares, they're just, you know, intercity black kids.
[01:38:02]  Shut the fuck up right now.
[01:38:03]  Stop.
[01:38:04]  Paraphrase quote.
[01:38:05]  I don't think that.
[01:38:06]  I'm not saying that.
[01:38:06]  I'll cut it out of context.
[01:38:08]  I would be destroyed in a matter of weeks.
[01:38:12]  I would be off all my affiliates.
[01:38:16]  It would be over.
[01:38:17]  So at least 20 times throughout the 17th and 18th, Alex has said...
[01:38:24]  Hey, with these mass shooting statistics, most of them are just gangs killing each other.
[01:38:27]  So he has minimized that whole thing.
[01:38:31]  Yep!
[01:38:31]  In listening to it, I didn't cut those clips on my way through.
[01:38:35]  And I didn't have an easy way to go back and find all of them to prove my case.
[01:38:39]  And I was really worried about the idea, like Alex is saying, if I minimize these gang shootings...
[01:38:45]  I would be in so much trouble.
[01:38:47]  I'd be off the air in a week.
[01:38:49]  I was like, I really want to demonstrate my point, but I can't go back and listen to four hours over again and find the clips.
[01:38:55]  Luckily, about five minutes later, he says...
[01:38:57]  Jesus fucking Christ!
[01:38:59]  88 dead in mass shootings.
[01:39:00]  Half of those are more gang-related.
[01:39:02]  It's gangs killing each other, and they call it a mass shooting.
[01:39:05]  That's him minimizing the...
[01:39:06]  And you know what he's saying?
[01:39:08]  Wow.
[01:39:08]  You know how his code works?
[01:39:09]  Wow.
[01:39:10]  Yep.
[01:39:10]  It's black people killing each other, and you know how that...
[01:39:13]  That's fine.
[01:39:13]  That's what he's saying.
[01:39:14]  Fucking wow.
[01:39:15]  That's pretty crazy.
[01:39:16]  That is...
[01:39:17]  Him being so mad at this Thai restaurant owner.
[01:39:19]  If I behaved that way, I'd be off the air.
[01:39:22]  I'm behaving that way.
[01:39:23]  See?
[01:39:24]  See?
[01:39:24]  Here's the problem.
[01:39:25]  Here's the problem.
[01:39:26]  I don't like siding with the guy who said he doesn't care if white children get killed.
[01:39:32]  We're not.
[01:39:33]  But...
[01:39:33]  I see where he's coming from when Alex does this shit.
[01:39:37]  I'm not siding with that guy at all.
[01:39:38]  I'm siding with...
[01:39:40]  I'm fine with white people.
[01:39:40]  I'm siding with Alex being wrong.
[01:39:42]  He's super wrong.
[01:39:43]  That's the side I'm on.
[01:39:43]  Oh, no, no, I'm just saying, like, if you want to justify a post...
[01:39:48]  Look, this is, again, the...
[01:39:51]  The people who are so afraid of white genocide are the people who go out of their way to give reasons for white genocide being a good idea.
[01:40:01]  Perhaps.
[01:40:02]  Everybody else is fucking like, no, no, no, that's crazy, that's a terrible idea.
[01:40:06]  Except for the people who are afraid of it, who are like, what if we just colonized a country?
[01:40:11]  Let's just do that.
[01:40:12]  Like, fuck you!
[01:40:13]  So, Alex has had Larry Pratt on earlier on this episode.
[01:40:18]  Like I said, we're not going to talk anything about him because the interview is pointless.
[01:40:21]  It's just, I love guns, blah, blah, blah.
[01:40:23]  But towards the end of the show, Alex has another guest on who's a member of Congress.
[01:40:29]  And that's interesting because it always blows my mind when anybody from Congress shows up on Alex's show.
[01:40:35]  It's weird.
[01:40:36]  I think there's a...
[01:40:36]  I think...
[01:40:37]  We often forget that there are 465 members of Congress.
[01:40:42]  Yeah, I mean, this guy's in the House.
[01:40:44]  There's a lot more of them.
[01:40:45]  But still, you would think it's a position where it would be unbecoming to go on Infowars.
[01:40:51]  No way.
[01:40:52]  There are so many of those guys who are fucking nuts.
[01:40:53]  I understand that.
[01:40:55]  It's still surprising.
[01:40:56]  It's still somehow so unpalatable to me.

=== Representative Walter B. Jones (06:29) ===

[01:40:59]  I mean, like state houses or states and people.
[01:41:03]  That's more understandable.
[01:41:04]  And that's not to impugn the state.
[01:41:09]  They're just more able to fly under the radar.
[01:41:12]  Exactly.
[01:41:12]  There you go.
[01:41:13]  That's a huge part of it.
[01:41:14]  But that is also another huge part of it, is we're coming into it with that sort of present-day awareness of Alex that maybe didn't exist so much in 2012, where there wasn't the stigma of showing up on here, and maybe this guy wouldn't get any bad feedback from it.
[01:41:29]  Yeah.
[01:41:30]  Still weird.
[01:41:31]  Always weird.
[01:41:32]  Congressperson on.
[01:41:35]  This is strange.
[01:41:36]  It is a little bit of like, I have the ability to write federal legislation means you should not be on Infowars.
[01:41:43]  It seems like it.
[01:41:44]  Yeah.
[01:41:45]  Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined by Representative Walter B. Jones.
[01:41:50]  And he joins us from his seat there in the Carolinas.
[01:41:56]  North.
[01:41:57]  And he is probably one of the best lawmakers we have in Congress.
[01:42:04]  And certainly the best out of North Carolina.
[01:42:06]  The best out of North Carolina.
[01:42:08]  Hold on to that thought for a moment.
[01:42:10]  Walter B. Jones was a member of the House of Representatives from North Carolina, serving from 1995 to February 2019.
[01:42:18]  Actually, about 15 days ago from when we're recording now, when he passed away while in office.
[01:42:23]  So he did die very recently.
[01:42:25]  Rest in peace.
[01:42:26]  His career in Congress is one that's particularly difficult to discuss.
[01:42:30]  Very simple terms.
[01:42:31]  For instance, from 1982 to 1992, he was a member of the North Carolina State House of Representatives, where he'd been elected as a Democrat.
[01:42:39]  His father, Walter Jones Sr., had been a member of the U.S. House from 1966 to 1992, when he also died in office.
[01:42:48]  Walter Jr. decided that he wanted to run for his father's open seat, but failed running as a Democrat, so he tried again in 1994, this time running as a Republican.
[01:42:57]  He used this strong anti-Bill Clinton sentiment as a weapon against his opponent, Martin Lancaster, who'd been photographed jogging with the president.
[01:43:06]  And Jones rode a wave of midterm Republican energy.
[01:43:09]  Obama's an opportunist!
[01:43:11]  It's all the Democrats!
[01:43:12]  They're all opportunists!
[01:43:13]  He rode that energy and came along with the 1994 takeover of the House that the Republicans did.
[01:43:20]  This sort of thing seems to run through his career as a politician.
[01:43:23]  The changing ideas, I mean.
[01:43:25]  Not giving a fuck?
[01:43:26]  He was initially a firm supporter of invading Iraq, but later became a harsh critic.
[01:43:30]  He is a member of the Liberty Caucus and claimed to have libertarian values, but still co-sponsored legislation to ban online gambling.
[01:43:37]  Jones was the one who, in March 2003, furious that France didn't support the U.S. going to war in Iraq, demanded that the Congressional Cafeteria rename French Toast and French Fries, Freedom Toast and Freedom Fries.
[01:43:50]  Great.
[01:43:51]  He was that guy.
[01:43:51]  He was that guy.
[01:43:52]  That's the guy.
[01:43:53]  A 2005 article in The Guardian points out that the, quote, the name change still in force made headlines around the world, both for what it said about the U.S.-French relations and its pettiness.
[01:44:05]  Yep.
[01:44:06]  Get them.
[01:44:06]  Not a surprise that guy winds up on Infowars.
[01:44:09]  By that point, in 2005, Walter Jones had already soured on the Iraq War.
[01:44:14]  So when asked about renaming foods, that whole thing, he said, quote, I wish it had never happened.
[01:44:18]  Which is a strange way to say, quote, I wish I hadn't done that.
[01:44:22]  Taking responsibility away from yourself.
[01:44:24]  No, no, no.
[01:44:24]  He doesn't have to.
[01:44:25]  It's something that happened.
[01:44:26]  It happened.
[01:44:27]  It happened.
[01:44:28]  I was a bystander.
[01:44:31]  It also should be noted that among the list of his top donors, you'll find that he's received $53,500 from Northrop Grumman, $52,500 from Lockheed Martin, and $48,200 from the NRA.
[01:44:44]  The Center for Responsive Politics lists Jones as the largest recipient of NRA money among North Carolina House members, with the total he received, including expenditures that they made on his behalf, coming in at over $56,000.
[01:44:57]  So it probably shouldn't surprise anyone that he has an A rating from the NRA and consistently votes against any common-sense regulations about gun safety.
[01:45:05]  In 2007, Jones voted to ban gun registration in Washington, D.C., and repeal the law that did exist on the books about needing to lock up guns.
[01:45:14]  He voted in 2009 to make all state concealed carry permits valid in every other state, which seems to run counter to the state's rights ideas that these people profess to have, but I don't remember.
[01:45:24]  Is that it?
[01:45:26]  Is that what we really need to do?
[01:45:27]  Like, with this guy, it's just like, if anti-gun groups have donated $48,000 or whatever, would he be anti-gun?
[01:45:36]  Is that really all it is?
[01:45:37]  I don't think so.
[01:45:39]  Because it seems like it.
[01:45:40]  I think it's a huge part of it.
[01:45:41]  It seems like this guy just doesn't give a fuck.
[01:45:43]  You'd also need to replace the other 50,000s that are coming from defense contractors and shit like that.
[01:45:48]  Alright, fine.
[01:45:49]  Is that what it is?
[01:45:50]  Is it just a bidding war for Republican votes?
[01:45:53]  I think if a lot of that money were to disappear, a lot of people's impetus...
[01:45:58]  Seems like it.
[01:46:00]  I think.
[01:46:01]  Certainly not all of them, but a lot of them.
[01:46:04]  Also, in 2010, Walter Jones signed a House resolution that would encourage schools and community organizations to use the Eddie Eagle Gun Safe Program and encouraged supporting funding for the program being used in schools.
[01:46:17]  The Eddie Eagle Gun Safe Program was developed by and run entirely by the NRA.
[01:46:23]  That is a super slimy move.
[01:46:25]  And it's just as slimy as Alex Jones having Walter Jones on his show to spread fear about how the man is coming for your guns without disclosing that he has accepted money from and tried to funnel government funds to the NRA, an organization that exists almost exclusively to disallow the possibility of having a real conversation about guns in this country.
[01:46:44]  Whatever else we can say about how Alex responded to Sandy Hook.
[01:46:48]  These few days that we've heard so far clearly indicate that his number one priority was to round the wagons and pack his show with pro-gun propagandists.
[01:46:56]  Unreal.
[01:46:57]  Yeah, dude.
[01:46:58]  Un-fucking-real.
[01:46:59]  Yeah.
[01:47:01]  Eddie Eagle.
[01:47:03]  Is there less evil?
[01:47:06]  Is there a less evil that they could be doing?
[01:47:09]  Is there some way we could distract them with keys or something?
[01:47:11]  You'd hope.
[01:47:12]  Like, just jangle them over the other side and be like, oh, socialism, we're gonna bring it!

=== Alex's Call from Newtown (03:09) ===

[01:47:16]  And then all the while, like, sneakily take their guns away?
[01:47:19]  Because this is fucking unreal.
[01:47:21]  It's pretty wild.
[01:47:23]  I don't know.
[01:47:23]  I don't want to take their guns, and no one really actually ever did, but...
[01:47:27]  They sure didn't.
[01:47:28]  So we have one more clip here, and that is, at the end of the show on December 18th, Alex gets a call from somebody who lives in Newtown.
[01:47:36]  And someone who, their kids went to Sandy Hook.
[01:47:39]  They don't go there anymore, but they went to the school.
[01:47:43]  And I'm going to play this clip because this clip is firmly demonstrative that if, like, Alex can't ever in good conscience believe that the people at that school were actors.
[01:47:54]  This clip firmly proves that he has to think that everything was real.
[01:47:59]  And we were involved.
[01:48:00]  I was very involved with the school.
[01:48:02]  I ran the Cub Scouts, the third and fourth grade.
[01:48:06]  Out of Sandy Hook Elementary.
[01:48:07]  I live like a mile down the street.
[01:48:09]  My wife used to do the Sandy Hook Elementary School clothing line.
[01:48:13]  We used to sell it.
[01:48:14]  You know, they do stuff for Christmas and Halloween and, you know, all the holidays.
[01:48:19]  They try to represent, you know, by having some gathering or, you know, parties at the school at night.
[01:48:27]  So, you know, we were pretty involved.
[01:48:29]  We knew a lot of the teachers.
[01:48:31]  And I want to thank you, first of all.
[01:48:32]  You know, before I...
[01:48:34]  I forget to do this.
[01:48:35]  I want to thank you for everything you do.
[01:48:38]  And I want to thank you for putting up Victoria Soto's picture because she was actually my son's after-school tutor.
[01:48:48]  You know, kids are having problems with, like, math or whatever.
[01:48:51]  She was a tutor for him for, like, the last three years he was in Sandy Hook Elementary.
[01:48:55]  So I had conversation with her twice a week.
[01:48:58]  And for folks that don't know who she is, tell them about her.
[01:49:02]  Well, she was a young girl who did, she was like a teacher's assistant, and she did, like with my son, he was having trouble with math, so she would work with the kids after school for an hour, hour and a half, you know, giving them, you know, extra tutoring, you know, bringing them up to, you know, the skills they needed to get through their class.
[01:49:28]  And really good girl, very smart, you know.
[01:49:33]  And my son loved working with her.
[01:49:36]  You know, he didn't mind being there at all.
[01:49:38]  And for folks that don't know, she saved a lot of people.
[01:49:41]  Wow.
[01:49:43]  So he's exasperated there at the end.
[01:49:45]  He posted a photo of her memorializing her on Infowars.com.
[01:49:49]  He has this guy who's calling in thanking him for that, whose kids went to the school.
[01:49:54]  And don't go there anymore because they've aged out.
[01:49:57]  He's talking about years in the past that they went to Sandy Hook Elementary School.
[01:50:02]  In order for Alex to pivot his narrative into believing that people were actors and this was staged, which we do know is an eventual end point he gets to, he has to then believe that they were actors planted in that school for years.

=== In Vacuum, Human Response (09:55) ===

[01:50:17]  This guy has experience with these people.
[01:50:21]  She died.
[01:50:23]  Yep.
[01:50:23]  Victoria Soto died at that school.
[01:50:26]  And this guy knows that.
[01:50:27]  And he knows her.
[01:50:29]  I don't...
[01:50:31]  I just...
[01:50:32]  It's important to...
[01:50:33]  It's important to...
[01:50:35]  Nail some of those things down.
[01:50:38]  In terms of his...
[01:50:39]  Like, how far it must fall.
[01:50:42]  Because that is...
[01:50:44]  In a vacuum...
[01:50:46]  A human response that he had to that caller.
[01:50:49]  Yep.
[01:50:49]  In a vacuum, that is okay.
[01:50:53]  Saying that she saved children's lives?
[01:50:56]  Absolutely.
[01:50:57]  Amen.
[01:50:59]  You know, giving a respectful hearing to this guy who, again, you know, Alex Jones' callers are always going to come with a grain of skepticism, but I listened to his entire call.
[01:51:09]  I don't see any red flags.
[01:51:10]  He has a lot of details and seems...
[01:51:14]  He has a very natural way of speaking about his experiences.
[01:51:18]  He doesn't strike me in the same way as a lot of Alex's bullshit callers do.
[01:51:22]  So I'm ready to accept whatever he's saying, and so is Alex.
[01:51:27]  Alex accepts this.
[01:51:29]  This is the reality.
[01:51:30]  The reality is tragedy.
[01:51:33]  Whatever he wants to make on top of that tragedy in order to defend his guns and his...
[01:51:40]  Admittedly fucked up fears about a civil war that may come from the taking of the guns.
[01:51:45]  Whatever the case is, here's the way I want to say this better.
[01:51:53]  The recognition that you see in that clip is what he exploits, if that makes sense.
[01:51:59]  The fact that we know and we can see that he knows that this is real and this 27-year-old teacher at that school was murdered.
[01:52:08]  And he knows.
[01:52:09]  He knows that.
[01:52:11]  That is a building block of his lies.
[01:52:17]  And that makes it so much worse to me.
[01:52:21]  And that's why you have to be fair to him.
[01:52:23]  That's why you have to be fair to him, because it makes it so much worse.
[01:52:27]  The same thing we go over a lot.
[01:52:31]  We talk about a lot.
[01:52:33]  The lies that people tell about Alex Jones are often spiritually true, but they lack certain amounts of accuracy and the nuance and the accuracy make it worse than the broad You know Alex Alex lied about Sandy Hook.
[01:52:48]  Yeah, spiritually true Yeah, but when you dig into the muck a little bit you see the ways that he lied about it and you see the awareness that he had to Have known he's lying about it.
[01:52:59]  It It goes from opportunistic to inhuman.
[01:53:03]  Yeah.
[01:53:04]  It's just really, really fucking gross.
[01:53:07]  It's hard to...
[01:53:10]  No matter how many times you're confronted with the reality of trafficking women, every time you're just blown away by how cruel and stupid and pointless human beings can treat other human beings.
[01:53:27]  Sure.
[01:53:28]  And it's the same way with Alex in this situation, where you just...
[01:53:34]  You're just looking at that going like, how could a human being do that?
[01:53:39]  What rationalizations do you have to go through every single night to make it okay for you to wake up the next day?
[01:53:48]  You know?
[01:53:50]  It's so impossible to really enter the mind of somebody who is willing to watch more children die.
[01:54:00]  Not willing to, but actively making it so more children will die.
[01:54:05]  Well, I think the only explanation for it, and it comes back to what I was saying earlier, is that he has to convince himself, or he has to have convinced himself, that they are trying to do this to get guns, which will lead to a civil war, which will lead to way more kids being killed, or whatever, and a greater risk to my children.
[01:54:24]  So if you frame it that way, there is an empathic argument.
[01:54:28]  Or something.
[01:54:29]  You know, like, there is, like, an argument from the saving lives perspective that you could talk yourself into.
[01:54:36]  Now, the problem with that, and the reason I have a problem with that, is that it's such an extreme, this will lead to that, it's an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence and backing.
[01:54:48]  And I can't imagine being able to convince yourself that that was the reality without reading all of these things.
[01:54:57]  When you are also somebody who only reads headlines and then reports as if you understand all and everything about all this stuff, how do you convince yourself that a civil war is coming and that's what I'm fighting against?
[01:55:10]  How do you not have the humility or the presence to just be like, this is what I think.
[01:55:21]  I might be way off on this.
[01:55:24]  The most gross part about this.
[01:55:26]  I think, is that we're talking about Alex Jones.
[01:55:32]  This is what you would expect from Alex Jones.
[01:55:36]  You know?
[01:55:37]  We finally got to about where what you'd expect to see is happening.
[01:55:42]  Exactly.
[01:55:42]  Not finally.
[01:55:43]  It's only been a few episodes.
[01:55:44]  No, no, no.
[01:55:48]  And this is part of what makes it so difficult now, is even in 2012...
[01:55:53]  Alex Jones, you expect to minimize the deaths of children.
[01:55:57]  You expect Alex Jones to do all of these awful things because he's Alex Jones.
[01:56:02]  That's where he's supposed to exist.
[01:56:05]  That was the exact same time every theoretically reasonable Republican was doing the exact same shit that Alex Jones was doing.
[01:56:16]  Dissembling to try and protect guns in any possible way they could.
[01:56:20]  This was not Alex Jones being Alex Jones.
[01:56:23]  This was Alex Jones reflecting mainstream Republican thought.
[01:56:27]  Probably being a little ahead of the curve, honestly.
[01:56:30]  But still there.
[01:56:33]  This is not some dude out on the fringes.
[01:56:36]  No, but that also might be a part of why he has to go further.
[01:56:39]  Because he is still himself.
[01:56:41]  And maybe that's a factor of this that we'll see as we move along.
[01:56:46]  Is realizing, like, I'm not getting the same adrenaline shot that I usually get from being crazy from just defending guns.
[01:56:54]  Because everyone else is.
[01:56:56]  How am I supposed to set myself apart from the pack?
[01:56:59]  They're all crisis actors.
[01:57:00]  Or whatever.
[01:57:01]  It's got to be something.
[01:57:03]  So I think we've seen...
[01:57:04]  I think, first of all, this isn't...
[01:57:08]  100% an investigation to find out when he says people are actors or anything like that.
[01:57:13]  Right.
[01:57:13]  Because I think that that is a common misconception that that's the only negative about his coverage.
[01:57:19]  I think we've already seen a lot of real negatives.
[01:57:23]  An infinite amount of negative.
[01:57:24]  And I think that you see on the first couple episodes of this him trying to find his footing and then finding it a little bit on Sunday.
[01:57:35]  But the evolution that it's taken...
[01:57:37]  On Monday and Tuesday here with this, like, he's being much more overt about thinking it was fake and that the government did it.
[01:57:44]  He's bringing in, he's introducing new narratives about CNN reporting days before about gun stuff as a priming the pump kind of thing.
[01:57:52]  And then having these paid gun people on in order to help reinforce his narratives, I think you're seeing a pivoting towards, like, him knowing what he's doing more.
[01:58:04]  And I think that's interesting.
[01:58:05]  I think that's a great point.
[01:58:06]  I think that that's really interesting, and I think that you could make a demarcation line on the 17th or 18th.
[01:58:13]  I'm willing to sort of say it's vague between the two about when, like, things really...
[01:58:18]  The wheels fell off the wagon.
[01:58:20]  There was still a chance he could have righted the ship based on just his rank speculation on the day of.
[01:58:27]  Right.
[01:58:28]  He probably could have found his center.
[01:58:29]  And then on Sunday, he's even saying, Kind of think that the official story is right.
[01:58:36]  Right.
[01:58:36]  That sort of thing.
[01:58:37]  Right, right.
[01:58:38]  All the way to...
[01:58:40]  The next day and the day after, he's just...
[01:58:43]  Yep.
[01:58:44]  And I think, yeah.
[01:58:45]  So I'm interested to see how quickly it deteriorates further.
[01:58:48]  Oh, man.
[01:58:49]  But for now, it's not good.
[01:58:50]  Disgusting.
[01:58:51]  Disgusting.
[01:58:51]  So what's not disgusting is our website.
[01:58:54]  Nicely done.
[01:58:54]  It's pretty all right.
[01:58:55]  It is all right.
[01:58:56]  It's at knowledgefight.com.
[01:58:58]  Indeed it is.
[01:58:59]  What about our Twitter page, Dan?
[01:59:00]  It's knowledge underscore fight.
[01:59:02]  What about Facebook?
[01:59:02]  We are there.
[01:59:03]  We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
[01:59:05]  How about iTunes?
[01:59:07]  Could you find us there?
[01:59:07]  Yep.
[01:59:07]  You can subscribe, rate, review, all that wonderful ballyhoo.
[01:59:13]  Here's the biggest problem so far with our Sandy Hook investigation.
[01:59:17]  Not a lot of people who haven't killed anybody.
[01:59:19]  Not a lot of people who haven't killed a guy.
[01:59:21]  I bet that Walter Jones didn't kill anybody.
[01:59:24]  Do you?
[01:59:25]  Yeah, I mean, he was a North Carolina state house member.
[01:59:29]  For years and years.
[01:59:30]  That's how you get initiated into the statehouse.
[01:59:32]  You gotta, like, jump in someone.
[01:59:34]  Have you not seen what's going on in North Carolina right now?
[01:59:36]  I don't know about this in North Carolina.
[01:59:39]  Why don't you regale me with a story?
[01:59:41]  Well, North Carolina did.
[01:59:44]  Every year since 1874.
[01:59:47]  That was the first statehouse election where they all decided that the only way that the North Carolina statehouse was going to work is if everybody agreed to kill a guy.

=== Rita Sklar's Legacy (00:55) ===

[01:59:57]  So they all got together.
[01:59:59]  So you get confidence between each other.
[02:00:02]  They wore these big robes.
[02:00:04]  And they just fucking...
[02:00:06]  Man.
[02:00:09]  I don't know.
[02:00:10]  It's a bummer.
[02:00:11]  I'm so sad.
[02:00:13]  I'm so sad.
[02:00:14]  This is so miserable.
[02:00:15]  Rita Sklar, the executive director of the ECLU in Arkansas.
[02:00:18]  Rita Sklar has not killed anybody.
[02:00:19]  No.
[02:00:20]  I guarantee she has not killed anybody.
[02:00:22]  No, and she actually should be someone Alex looks up to because of her behavior in trying to fight back against SWAT teams mirroring martial law that Alex is so afraid of.
[02:00:32]  She's never killed anybody, but one guy technically probably has.
[02:00:36]  And that's Alex Jones.
[02:00:37]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[02:00:39]  Thanks for holding.
[02:00:41]  Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
[02:00:43]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:00:44]  I love your work.