Knowledge Fight - #256: January 17-23, 2019
Aired: 2019-01-25
Duration: 02:00:47


=== Hot Sauce Watch (09:23) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hi, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:09]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:09]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:00:15]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:16]  Hi.
[00:00:17]  Dan!
[00:00:17]  Yep.
[00:00:18]  Did you come prepared with a question this time?
[00:00:20]  I was actually wondering where we are at on Hot Sauce Watch.
[00:00:24]  Hot Sauce Watch?
[00:00:24]  What do you mean by that?
[00:00:25]  I mean, we occasionally check in with how you feel about hot sauces.
[00:00:29]  Nothing?
[00:00:30]  You're still on the ghost pepper?
[00:00:32]  No, I bought this Carolina...
[00:00:34]  Creeper puree.
[00:00:35]  Right, we talked about that.
[00:00:36]  We've been dabbling in that a little bit.
[00:00:37]  My parents, in a little Christmas package, they sent over these Yellowbird sauces from Austin.
[00:00:44]  I think it's an Austin company.
[00:00:46]  And I think most of them are trash.
[00:00:48]  They taste pretty bad.
[00:00:49]  It's not that they're too hot, but they taste pretty bad.
[00:00:52]  No offense, Yellowbird.
[00:00:55]  Well, we lost a sponsor.
[00:00:58]  I think that one actually we could have gotten if we'd really shot the mood on that one.
[00:01:03]  Well, I don't know how to answer that.
[00:01:05]  And honestly, I think a little bit of my heat adventures and stuff like that is on a little bit of a hold.
[00:01:11]  Because to let the listener know, I'm planning on moving in the beginning of April and getting a new apartment.
[00:01:17]  And one of the things I'm going to focus on there is building a little garden inside my apartment and try and grow some peppers.
[00:01:24]  Make my own kind of hot sauce.
[00:01:27]  See if I can figure that out.
[00:01:28]  That's an adventure I'd like to go on.
[00:01:30]  That sounds fun!
[00:01:31]  Yeah, just for shits and giggles.
[00:01:33]  Just to see if you can make your own hot sauce, that's great!
[00:01:35]  Like grow from seeds.
[00:01:37]  So I want to explore that.
[00:01:39]  That's awesome.
[00:01:40]  And then also make my own giardiniera.
[00:01:42]  I don't know what that is.
[00:01:43]  Yeah, you do.
[00:01:44]  You live in Chicago.
[00:01:44]  I know, I'm just kidding.
[00:01:45]  People outside of Chicago may not.
[00:01:47]  It's sort of...
[00:01:49]  How do you describe it?
[00:01:50]  Sort of a relish-y kind of thing?
[00:01:51]  Yeah, I would say, yeah.
[00:01:53]  It's a condiment.
[00:01:54]  It's thick.
[00:01:54]  It's a condiment, like it's oil, like it's spicy.
[00:01:58]  Yeah.
[00:01:59]  There's like peppers, cucumber, not cucumbers, like celery, carrots, cauliflower.
[00:02:04]  I think that most giardinero sucks.
[00:02:05]  It's too busy.
[00:02:07]  It's very busy and thick.
[00:02:08]  You could narrow it down to like two or three ingredients and make like a really good condiment.
[00:02:13]  So I'm going to explore those things.
[00:02:15]  I think you just described a relish, though.
[00:02:16]  Maybe.
[00:02:18]  I'm going to explore those things once I get into a new apartment.
[00:02:20]  I'm very excited about that.
[00:02:22]  That sounds great.
[00:02:22]  Yeah, that's on the horizon.
[00:02:23]  All right.
[00:02:24]  Hot sauce watch.
[00:02:24]  I'm looking forward to seeing what your homemade hot sauce watch is.
[00:02:28]  You won't try them.
[00:02:29]  They'll be too hot for you.
[00:02:30]  Of course they will, but I want to experience it vicariously through your taste buds.
[00:02:34]  That'll be fun.
[00:02:35]  All right.
[00:02:36]  Also, before we get into any business today, first of all, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
[00:02:41]  And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
[00:02:42]  I got a little blowback about my car wash story.
[00:02:46]  That I told on our Monday episode, I believe.
[00:02:50]  Someone in the group, in our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, pointed out that there's a Mr. Show sketch about car wash change piece.
[00:02:58]  Oh my god, did you live a Mr. Show sketch?
[00:03:01]  I did.
[00:03:01]  Or did you lift a Mr. Show sketch?
[00:03:04]  I did not.
[00:03:04]  And I want to be very clear about this because I constantly question myself about like...
[00:03:09]  Am I remembering that sketch?
[00:03:12]  Right, right, right.
[00:03:12]  Because you're aware of the sketch.
[00:03:14]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:03:15]  I have to second-guess my memories, and I can say with categorical certainty that that story that I told absolutely happened to me and was not just a misremembering of that Mr. Show sketch.
[00:03:26]  It really, really terrifies me, though, that people will think I just ripped off Mr. Show.
[00:03:31]  I remember the people's faces.
[00:03:33]  I remember the feeling of being in that car wash and being like, you are adults.
[00:03:38]  Were any of the writers from Missouri?
[00:03:41]  No, I don't think so.
[00:03:41]  Like, Posehn wasn't from Missouri?
[00:03:43]  Paul F. Tompkins, he wasn't from Missouri?
[00:03:45]  I'm pretty sure that sketch, I think that they'd done that before I worked at that car wash.
[00:03:50]  Oh, shit!
[00:03:51]  I'm pretty sure that was in the 90s.
[00:03:53]  Maybe that's where your boss got the idea to do the sting from.
[00:03:57]  I don't know if he was that hip.
[00:03:58]  Anyway, fair enough.
[00:03:59]  My point is, I just want to make sure that people understand that that really happened.
[00:04:04]  Anyway, I don't care.
[00:04:05]  It'd be more fun if...
[00:04:06]  You missed out on a secret friendship with your boss who turned out to love Mr. Show.
[00:04:11]  That's possible.
[00:04:12]  Yeah.
[00:04:12]  Anyway, guys, today we're going to be doing something really interesting.
[00:04:15]  It's going to be a slightly different present day episode that we're going to bring to you, covering the span of January 17th to 23rd.
[00:04:22]  Whoa!
[00:04:23]  Not fully, though.
[00:04:25]  Right, right, right.
[00:04:25]  No, I got that.
[00:04:27]  This isn't going to be a 12-hour long episode.
[00:04:28]  No, certainly not.
[00:04:29]  And we'll get to exactly what the shape of that is going to take here in a second.
[00:04:32]  But first, we've got to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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[00:04:40]  You are now a policy wonk.
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[00:04:43]  Thank you, Chad Plays Games.
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[00:04:45]  Next, Benjamin.
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[00:04:54]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:55]  Thank you, Justin.
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[00:04:58]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:59]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:01]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:01]  Thank you, Aaron.
[00:05:02]  What spelling?
[00:05:02]  A-A-R-O-N.
[00:05:04]  No, I meant, is it Aaron spelling?
[00:05:05]  Oh, no, it's not.
[00:05:06]  It's not?
[00:05:07]  Neither is it Tory.
[00:05:08]  Oh, damn.
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[00:05:15]  So, Lisa, thank you so much.
[00:05:17]  You are now a globalist.
[00:05:19]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:22]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:05:24]  Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:05:26]  Daddy Shark!
[00:05:28]  Thank you so much, Lisa.
[00:05:30]  If you're out there listening and you think to yourself, I like this show, I'd like to support these guys and maybe dance Pepper Farm.
[00:05:37]  God, man.
[00:05:38]  I wanted Dan's Pepper Farm so bad.
[00:05:40]  Maybe I could send out some of the peppers to people who donate, too.
[00:05:43]  Maybe.
[00:05:44]  I don't know.
[00:05:44]  Maybe that's a possible donation.
[00:05:46]  There we go.
[00:05:46]  Anyway, if you want to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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[00:05:53]  Also, by the way, fillyourhand.com.
[00:05:56]  That's true.
[00:05:57]  Thanks to policy wonk Ian, I just learned today that alexjonesshow.us redirects to our...
[00:06:03]  Our website.
[00:06:05]  So thank you so much for that.
[00:06:07]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:09]  Oh, boy.
[00:06:11]  So, Jordan, today, present day, I don't want to...
[00:06:15]  I don't care about the present day much.
[00:06:18]  Ever since Alex has shown his cards about, you know, being really into the idea of Trump...
[00:06:24]  Taking over a fascist regime?
[00:06:25]  Yeah, getting his emergency powers in effect so he can just act like a dictator.
[00:06:29]  I don't really care much.
[00:06:32]  I don't, like, it doesn't charm me.
[00:06:34]  And at the same time, whenever I listen to the show, it's like, what do you think he's saying?
[00:06:39]  Like, choose anything that's happened.
[00:06:41]  What do you think his angle on it is?
[00:06:43]  You already know.
[00:06:45]  He's so fucking predictable in the present day that I could do this show without listening to his show.
[00:06:50]  Imagine a radio host from Spain supporting Charles de Gaulle.
[00:06:57]  Sure.
[00:06:57]  Yeah, in the 40s, of course.
[00:07:00]  What I'm more complaining about, though, is we'll talk about it a little bit as it comes up on this episode, but you had that kid from Covington School at the rally who got in the face of the Native American gentleman.
[00:07:12]  You had that situation.
[00:07:13]  What do you think Alex says?
[00:07:15]  You already know.
[00:07:16]  Oh, he said that that was a perfect encapsulation of the colonialist attitude that we've had towards Native Americans for our entire existence.
[00:07:24]  You're being glib.
[00:07:25]  You're being glib.
[00:07:26]  You know exactly what he said about it.
[00:07:28]  I know exactly what he said about it.
[00:07:29]  And our audience knows exactly what he said about it.
[00:07:31]  When we go back to like 2009, we're seeing him support Somali pirates.
[00:07:34]  That's true.
[00:07:35]  We're seeing him yell at Marc Maron about how he wants to sodomize him.
[00:07:38]  That's true.
[00:07:39]  That's crazy.
[00:07:40]  That's unpredictable.
[00:07:41]  We go back expecting to find X and we find Y. When you look in the present day, all you find is exactly what you expect to find.
[00:07:48]  It's kind of a bummer.
[00:07:50]  There's no novelty to it.
[00:07:51]  I'm not saying that we should recuse ourselves from...
[00:07:54]  You know, paying attention to it, but it just is awful.
[00:07:58]  Like, it's an awful, boring, formulaic, neo-fascist show.
[00:08:03]  That's all it is.
[00:08:04]  And it sucks.
[00:08:05]  It seems like we should, instead of doing full episodes about the present day, we should have like a check-in on each episode, you know?
[00:08:13]  Like, here's what Alex said for this dump.
[00:08:15]  Hey, do you want to have a production meeting on air while everybody's listening?
[00:08:18]  See, the problem with that is then I still have to listen to all of it in order to get those mini glimpses, which is incredibly unsatisfying for me because now there's less of our show and more of his.
[00:08:30]  There's even less incentive for you.
[00:08:32]  The ratio ends up becoming more work for me for less of this.
[00:08:36]  And already my ratio's terrible, so I don't want to get into that.
[00:08:39]  That's fair.
[00:08:40]  So today, what we're going to do is we're going to mostly go over the 23rd.
[00:08:44]  That's Wednesday, January 23rd, 2019.
[00:08:48]  But there's a couple things that happened along the way over the course of this week, on the 17th and on the 19th, that I think are very important.
[00:08:55]  And one of the things that we're going to talk about is going to open up a conversation about whether or not it's even appropriate for us to cover Alex in the present anymore.
[00:09:04]  That's an interesting conversation.
[00:09:06]  And we will see what that conversation looks like when we get to it.

=== Can't Make a Deal (05:50) ===

[00:09:09]  But first, here's an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones.
[00:09:12]  I'm not Cobra Commander or Destro, folks.
[00:09:15]  I'm Captain America.
[00:09:17]  Okay.
[00:09:18]  I don't think that Captain America fought those guys.
[00:09:23]  Cobra Commander?
[00:09:24]  I think it was G.I. Joe.
[00:09:25]  Anyway, we start on the 17th, and these are going to be some trite things.
[00:09:32]  We're not going to cover much content from the 17th and 19th.
[00:09:35]  They're mostly going to be Alex sort of descending into personal moments.
[00:09:40]  Yeah.
[00:09:40]  I was kind of hoping he would tell us how he feels about the Avengers.
[00:09:43]  You know, the whole thing.
[00:09:45]  He's not Destro.
[00:09:46]  Did he think Age of Ultron was really kind of a bad film?
[00:09:50]  And how does he feel about it?
[00:09:51]  How does it relate to Ozymandamus?
[00:09:53]  Exactly!
[00:09:54]  These are important questions.
[00:09:55]  Nope.
[00:09:56]  Instead, he introduces new slang.
[00:10:01]  I'm introducing that into the modern vernacular.
[00:10:04]  My dead friend down, he was 33, went into the doctor, got an infection, died.
[00:10:11]  Ryan Baxter.
[00:10:12]  He wouldn't cuss when he was a little kid.
[00:10:14]  I never heard anybody else say bull corny hot dog.
[00:10:16]  But if something was really bad or whatever, he wanted to act like he was cussing, he'd say bull corny hot dog.
[00:10:21]  So I just introduced that here.
[00:10:24]  I think he probably invented that, so there it is.
[00:10:26]  Bull corny hot dog!
[00:10:28]  That is clunky.
[00:10:30]  Alex is stealing from a dead friend, and this is never going to work.
[00:10:34]  Bull Corny Hot Dog.
[00:10:37]  Name your three rappers that would be able to work in Bull Corny Hot Dog.
[00:10:43]  Wiz Khalifa.
[00:10:44]  No.
[00:10:46]  Uh-uh.
[00:10:48]  Fat Man Scoop.
[00:10:49]  Fat Man Scoop?
[00:10:50]  Yeah, he's a shout-out guy.
[00:10:52]  He's a hype man.
[00:10:53]  If anybody can make that work, it's a...
[00:10:57]  Bull Corny Hot Dog up in here!
[00:10:59]  You see Bone Crusher out there talking about how he's never scared?
[00:11:02]  That song's like a decade old.
[00:11:05]  And you've got Fat Man Scoop screaming in the background.
[00:11:07]  I can't remember who else Fat Man Scoop worked with.
[00:11:10]  I forgot that you're not up on current hip-hop vernacular either.
[00:11:16]  That's fair.
[00:11:17]  Master P?
[00:11:18]  Master P probably could do it.
[00:11:20]  He tried worse.
[00:11:21]  He has tried worse.
[00:11:22]  That Dozier thing didn't work out, but he was ambitious for trying.
[00:11:25]  This is Alex Jones' Dozier.
[00:11:29]  Just because it rhymed with soldier.
[00:11:31]  Way to go.
[00:11:33]  Anyway, this is trash, man.
[00:11:35]  It's sort of indicative of, like, you know...
[00:11:38]  Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about how he can't make a deal with the devil.
[00:11:44]  He can't do it.
[00:11:45]  He's just incapable.
[00:11:46]  That would be bull corny hot dog.
[00:11:47]  It would, absolutely.
[00:11:48]  They gave up a long time ago trying to threaten me because I just can't make a deal with the devil.
[00:11:55]  And I don't think Matt Drudge has done that either.
[00:11:57]  I'm just telling you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that this country is in a civil war with a bunch of anti-American globalists running around bullying and threatening everyone they can.
[00:12:08]  So, I only put this in because he, like, always talks about the globalists threatening him.
[00:12:14]  Yeah.
[00:12:14]  So the idea that he's saying, I can't make a deal with the devil, so the globalists have stopped threatening me, it's really counter to pretty much everything he complains about and screams about all the time.
[00:12:23]  And the idea that he can't make a deal with the devil will be important later.
[00:12:29]  So that is a little bit of a setup for a punchline coming later.
[00:12:33]  Because on air, he becomes a blues musician.
[00:12:35]  And as everybody knows, you have to make a deal with the devil.
[00:12:38]  In order to do well, yes.
[00:12:41]  No, it's something else entirely.
[00:12:43]  But that was in his sort of breakdown of that story that came out about Cohen giving payments.
[00:12:50]  To people to cheat online polls in the lead up to the 2016 election that made it reflect or appear that more people believed that Trump won the debates than they did.
[00:13:01]  And one of the polls that is in question that may have been rigged by this outfit is the Drudge poll of Trump's performance in the debates.
[00:13:12]  And so Alex is trying to be defensive about his hero Matt Drudge.
[00:13:16]  And deflect the story, like, ah, why did you believe Cohen?
[00:13:20]  Like, eh, all right, whatever.
[00:13:21]  We'll see how this shakes out.
[00:13:22]  How about that?
[00:13:23]  That whole thing about the polls, that was a big no for me.
[00:13:27]  Every time I saw that one, like, shocking report, Cohen influenced polls.
[00:13:33]  I was like, hey, you know who else can influence polls?
[00:13:36]  A bunch of dudes just clicking a bunch of times.
[00:13:38]  It's fine.
[00:13:39]  Bots.
[00:13:39]  Yeah.
[00:13:39]  Sure.
[00:13:40]  It's fine.
[00:13:40]  I don't think it's fine, but I also think it's like, well, let's see what more there is here.
[00:13:46]  At this point, I don't really know if we...
[00:13:48]  I don't think you and I have enough to go on to have a real firm stance on this.
[00:13:53]  But Alex does.
[00:13:54]  It's nothing.
[00:13:55]  Because he's predictable and defensive.
[00:13:57]  Right.
[00:13:57]  I think my biggest problem with it is I want my villains to be super.
[00:14:02]  I don't want them to be pathetic losers.
[00:14:05]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:14:06]  I do know what you mean.
[00:14:08]  You're not going to get what you want.
[00:14:09]  I know, which is the problem.
[00:14:11]  You get what you need by The Who.
[00:14:13]  That was a masterpiece song, wasn't it?
[00:14:15]  Oh, no.
[00:14:15]  Okay, never mind.
[00:14:16]  The Who, who are great big fans of Alex Jones.
[00:14:19]  So in this next clip...
[00:14:20]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:14:22]  That was the Rolling Stones.
[00:14:23]  I know.
[00:14:24]  I was making a reference to our last episode where Alex talked about The Who.
[00:14:27]  Okay, I gotcha.
[00:14:28]  And that wasn't even the Rolling Stones or The Who!
[00:14:30]  It was stolen!
[00:14:32]  Well, but the Rolling Stones version was the popular one.
[00:14:35]  Yeah, yeah, true.
[00:14:36]  So, in this next clip, Alex, I think what he's doing is he's doing an imagined dialogue between Trump and a chicken-neck politician.

=== Debate Over Grand Strategy (04:22) ===

[00:14:46]  And one of the reasons, I think the biggest reason I'm including this clip in our little brief glimpse of January 17th is I think it demonstrates some mental problems on Alex's part.
[00:15:00]  They're not uncommon or unfamiliar to us, but I think that they're more important today than they have been in the past.
[00:15:07]  Trump got in and he said, we don't ship drugs in and we don't launder them anymore.
[00:15:12]  Well, M13 in the Mexican mafia will kill us if we don't.
[00:15:16]  He's just like, good, kill them.
[00:15:19]  This is not our business is having junkies and human feces everywhere and high school kids on heroin.
[00:15:24]  It stops.
[00:15:25]  And by the way, we're not going to just feed troops into places so companies make money.
[00:15:29]  He goes, you can all have super high-tech space weapons and tanks and missiles and ships.
[00:15:33]  You can all make your money, but it'll be where we're dominant.
[00:15:36]  We don't just kill all our troops.
[00:15:37]  They go, no!
[00:15:38]  We don't want a bigger defense budget but peace.
[00:15:42]  We don't want peace through strength and a space force.
[00:15:45]  We want to continue to torture people and fund radical Islamic groups and overthrow allies and put bad radical Muslims in.
[00:15:53]  Nice catch.
[00:15:55]  There it is.
[00:15:55]  You don't see the larger strategic plan of keeping the middle of the chessboard destabilized.
[00:16:01]  You don't understand our grand strategy.
[00:16:02]  Yeah, he understands your grand strategy.
[00:16:04]  Running the damn world on the ground, you sacks of crap.
[00:16:08]  You ever heard of straight shooting, you dumb pieces of crap?
[00:16:12]  That's what built this country.
[00:16:13]  No, it is not.
[00:16:15]  You dishonorable chicken crap.
[00:16:16]  Nobody's a bunch of filth.
[00:16:19]  Somebody's got to call these people's bluff.
[00:16:21]  That means I get smashed flatter than a pancake?
[00:16:23]  Good.
[00:16:24]  At least somebody will give you an example.
[00:16:26]  I act like a damn man around here to the bunch of knuckle-dragging cowards.
[00:16:30]  So everybody just shoots your mouth all about Trump all day.
[00:16:33]  He's got a lot more courage than most of you combined.
[00:16:36]  It's just, I mean, he is expressing such projection, such confusion, like this nonsensical two-sided Socratic debate that's going on inside his head.
[00:16:49]  None of it's based in reality.
[00:16:51]  Neither side of the debate is based in reality, and all it does is lead him to his weird, I'm the only person who's a real man anymore.
[00:16:59]  Yeah.
[00:16:59]  Which is, I don't know, it's just, there's something going on in his brain.
[00:17:04]  What's fascinating to me is that he is both condemning parts of Trump's foreign policy and blaming it on them, and at the same time supporting parts of other people's...
[00:17:18]  Foreign policy and also blaming it on them.
[00:17:21]  See, now this is what happens when you don't know anything.
[00:17:23]  Yeah, I was going to say, what are you fucking talking about?
[00:17:26]  And this is what happens when you have a super predictable editorial position like Alex does.
[00:17:33]  He doesn't have any nuance.
[00:17:35]  He has no, as George Soros might put it, reflexivity.
[00:17:39]  He has no ability to adapt anymore to anything.
[00:17:42]  It's just respond defensively and attack whoever is not on board with Trump.
[00:17:48]  And it's pathetic and boring, but I also think that there's more going on here.
[00:17:54]  Yeah, because if he's specifically talking about not supporting our allies, then...
[00:18:01]  Trump's unilaterally and also reverse decision to pull troops out of Syria would be absolutely abandoning our allies.
[00:18:13]  So he's against that, right?
[00:18:15]  You'd think.
[00:18:16]  But that wasn't the foreign policy of the people who were supposedly puppet-mastering his foreign policy.
[00:18:23]  By all accounts, everybody just heard him go, We're done!
[00:18:27]  And said, oh, okay, I guess.
[00:18:30]  And then six months later, or like, what, two months later, very quietly was like...
[00:18:34]  Yeah, we're not going to do that.
[00:18:35]  You're a fucking idiot.
[00:18:37]  Yeah, but Alex's version on that is that Trump put his foot down and then the meddling globalists just didn't listen to him.
[00:18:43]  Oh, those fucking meddling globalists!
[00:18:45]  You can write a narrative about any set of facts you want and that's kind of what's going on.
[00:18:49]  That's ridiculous.
[00:18:50]  So we know from listening to as much Alex Jones as I have and telling you about it that Alex's childhood was fraught with nonsense.

=== Aleister's Early Seduction (07:56) ===

[00:19:00]  It was fucked up.
[00:19:01]  Or...
[00:19:02]  Fictitious.
[00:19:02]  Right.
[00:19:03]  There's some elements that are clearly fictitious.
[00:19:06]  We're about to hear one.
[00:19:08]  But the things that we know that seem to be very consistent are that he had some feelings of alienation and at the same time discovered, none dare call it conspiracy, the book by Gary Allen when he was 12. And it set the course of his life.
[00:19:23]  He saw through the, what would you call it?
[00:19:26]  The conservative, or not conservative, the communist menace among us.
[00:19:31]  The conspiracy of the elites and stuff like that.
[00:19:33]  Which is most likely the reason he even had none dare call it conspiracy on the shelves is because his parents were most likely hosting John Birch Society meetings.
[00:19:41]  Right, and that's the story that he's told of his childhood very consistently.
[00:19:45]  Yes.
[00:19:46]  He discovered that book at either 10 or 12, depending on the times that he's told the story.
[00:19:51]  Very consistent.
[00:19:52]  Depending how smart he wants to seem for any given story.
[00:19:55]  I have heard other accounts say that he found it in high school, but from the times that I've listened to him, he says 10 or 12 on a very regular basis, which makes this next clip incredibly impossible for me to believe.
[00:20:09]  I can't sign on to people that are intimately obsessed with abusing children and killing them.
[00:20:15]  They're a vampiric cult.
[00:20:17]  Fair.
[00:20:17]  I agree.
[00:20:18]  I cannot be part of these people.
[00:20:20]  I am not in their system.
[00:20:23]  And, you know, their system almost seduced me.
[00:20:27]  I mean, I think when I was about 15, for all intents and purposes, I was a berserking Satanist.
[00:20:39]  Okay?
[00:20:39]  Okay.
[00:20:41]  And, I mean, I wasn't killing people or dogs or anything.
[00:20:44]  That kind of sounds like what you should be doing.
[00:20:46]  I sure as hell have sex with a devil-worshipper woman.
[00:20:49]  Let's just say I've seen a few things, okay?
[00:20:51]  In one of the richest areas of the country where I grew up, I've seen the dark side of the moon.
[00:20:58]  By the who?
[00:20:59]  I pulled out of being seduced by the devil by the time I was about 16. About 12 to 15, I was definitely there.
[00:21:09]  And boy, it's a hell of a drug.
[00:21:12]  I know why the Satanists are into what they're into.
[00:21:15]  Until you pull away from it and get contact with God.
[00:21:17]  Because I was with God when I was little.
[00:21:18]  I got partially seduced but never gave over all the way.
[00:21:21]  What?
[00:21:22]  And wouldn't do bad stuff.
[00:21:23]  And then now I pulled away so far from the Satanism and so far away from these people.
[00:21:28]  But that's why they can't stand me because they know I've been super far in the spiritual level.
[00:21:35]  Not all the crap and the rituals that they try to do to get where I got.
[00:21:38]  What?
[00:21:38]  It was not a good place I got to.
[00:21:40]  It's not like I got some diploma.
[00:21:41]  Where did you get?
[00:21:44]  Let me just say, I've seen a couple things.
[00:21:48]  Like what?
[00:21:49]  That's why they fear me.
[00:21:50]  Because I've already been down the rabbit hole where Aleister Crowley went when I was 13. Jack Parsons' wife?
[00:21:59]  I think...
[00:22:00]  I think this is, first of all, bullshit.
[00:22:02]  But then, second, I think what he's doing is just trying to give himself another piece of the hero's journey in terms of his backstory.
[00:22:11]  Right, right, right.
[00:22:11]  The sort of moment of doubt and seduction by the dark side and stuff like that.
[00:22:16]  Of course.
[00:22:16]  It's all nonsense.
[00:22:17]  It's all in there.
[00:22:18]  Yeah.
[00:22:18]  So Alex has absolutely no right to compare his 12-year-old self with Aleister Crowley.
[00:22:23]  So what is he even fucking talking about?
[00:22:27]  Here's my feeling on it.
[00:22:28]  Crowley was a fucked up dude.
[00:22:30]  I'm sure Alex also was at 12. But Crowley traveled the world from, like, the late 1800s, early 1900s, when many people would have been too scared to venture far from the western shores.
[00:22:40]  He attempted to climb K2, which had never been scaled at that point.
[00:22:44]  He took his spiritual quest to the logical extremes, traveling to Japan, Sri Lanka, India, and Egypt to seek out instruction and knowledge.
[00:22:51]  You can say that Crowley was a bad dude, and I'm not going to argue with that point pretty much at all or much.
[00:22:57]  But you can't say that he didn't live a life of curiosity and exploration, something that Alex is diametrically opposed to.
[00:23:03]  Alex read an undare call it conspiracy when he was 12, and it blew his mind.
[00:23:06]  And ever since, whenever he's gone to visit another country, it's only been to verify the pre-existing beliefs he brought with him.
[00:23:14]  He's a pathetic example of a mind made up in childhood, which Crowley was the opposite of.
[00:23:19]  I don't believe Alex's story about being a Satanist from the ages of 12 to 15. I think that's just him expressing his deep guilt about forcing women to get abortions.
[00:23:27]  But, assuming he's not lying, and he's seen what Crowley's seen, let's guess what Alex was up to back when he was 12. Sex magic?
[00:23:35]  He would almost certainly have been into sadomasochism, as that was pretty prevalent in Crowley's sex life.
[00:23:40]  It's kind of a big deal for him.
[00:23:41]  Alex almost definitely would have been on the receiving end of sex with men, since same-sex intercourse was a large part of the higher levels of Crowley's sex magic teachings, and he was famously bisexual and was noted as the passive partner in those encounters.
[00:23:54]  He may or may not have been eating cakes of light, which were the biscuits Crowley would make that contained menstrual blood or semen.
[00:24:00]  I don't think Alex has any idea who Aleister Crowley was or what he stood for.
[00:24:04]  He just knows that he's a good occult name to drop.
[00:24:07]  Yeah, I was going to say.
[00:24:07]  This is such bullshit.
[00:24:08]  I would say that most people don't know.
[00:24:10]  Like, Aleister Crowley is just your touchpoint.
[00:24:13]  He was a goddamn double agent.
[00:24:15]  Yeah.
[00:24:18]  He was an incredibly fucked up dude who did some really, really fucked up stuff.
[00:24:23]  Yeah.
[00:24:23]  But also, he...
[00:24:25]  His life is stuff of fantasy novels.
[00:24:29]  He hung out with L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons and the whole fucking gang.
[00:24:34]  They called an elemental and shit like that.
[00:24:38]  The Red Lady?
[00:24:39]  Yeah, fucking sure!
[00:24:41]  The Lama.
[00:24:42]  You gotta give it up to him.
[00:24:44]  With Kinsey and those guys.
[00:24:47]  Kinsey is somehow, to me, almost diametrically opposed to Crowley in that he was just like...
[00:24:54]  Sex is crazy.
[00:24:55]  Let's do all of it.
[00:24:57]  And, you know, like, Aleister Crowley never got into sounding, Dan.
[00:25:01]  Kinsey got into sounding.
[00:25:02]  That's true.
[00:25:03]  I don't know that.
[00:25:04]  There was a lot going on at that abbey.
[00:25:05]  That's true.
[00:25:08]  Nothing is more sex magic than shoving something down your pee hole.
[00:25:12]  I'll let you have that.
[00:25:14]  I'm not going to push back.
[00:25:15]  But I just...
[00:25:17]  It's like Harry Potter's wand.
[00:25:19]  What I hear here is Alex desperately trying to give himself some sort of appeal to expertise and knowledge about these subjects.
[00:25:28]  And it's what all these assholes do.
[00:25:30]  It's what they all do.
[00:25:31]  Everybody who has the stolen valor or stolen accomplishment.
[00:25:35]  People on Project Camelot pretending they were CIA agents and shit like that.
[00:25:39]  Captain.
[00:25:40]  Mark Richards.
[00:25:40]  You betcha.
[00:25:41]  Yeah, all of these people, they have this fake piece of their past that they employ in order to give themselves ownership of.
[00:25:48]  And like there's knowledge that they have that you can't possibly have.
[00:25:52]  Of course not.
[00:25:52]  And so you should just listen to them.
[00:25:54]  And it's a manipulative trick that people use.
[00:25:57]  Furthermore, here's a question for his.
[00:26:01]  So if he's.
[00:26:03]  I don't even know what that means.
[00:26:08]  I don't know.
[00:26:08]  He's just doing the Satanist shit, right?
[00:26:10]  On a spiritual level, he got a diploma.
[00:26:12]  Right.
[00:26:12]  From 12 to 15. Yeah.
[00:26:14]  Wouldn't that suggest then that he was totally fucking adults?
[00:26:18]  Yeah, that's number one.
[00:26:19]  And number two, I think if you're doing it for three years, you're in.
[00:26:22]  I don't know.
[00:26:23]  I think probably.
[00:26:24]  Once you're in, you're in.
[00:26:25]  I think he's still in, to be honest.
[00:26:27]  I think if you're doing Satanist shit for three years in your formative years, that can't not leave some sort of a mark.

=== Alex Gets Transphobic (08:36) ===

[00:26:35]  But again, I don't believe him.
[00:26:37]  No, no, no.
[00:26:38]  Absolutely not.
[00:26:39]  Because what kind of Satanist shit could he even...
[00:26:41]  He doesn't even know about Satanist shit.
[00:26:43]  He probably drew a pentagram when he was 12 and then his parents got really mad at him or something like that.
[00:26:48]  And he was just reacting to that emotionally.
[00:26:51]  That was a three-year-long pentagram, though.
[00:26:53]  That's true.
[00:26:53]  He's not good.
[00:26:54]  He's not good at art.
[00:26:55]  He took a while.
[00:26:57]  Yeah.
[00:26:57]  So that's a lot of shit.
[00:27:00]  So, other than this, on the 17th, there's not much else I want to talk about except for this next clip where Alex gets transphobic as hell.
[00:27:08]  And I think it's only important because we just had the news come out about the Supreme Court backing the ban of trans people in the military.
[00:27:16]  And I think that we're entering a dangerous time.
[00:27:21]  What was the voting on that?
[00:27:22]  Who knows?
[00:27:24]  Oh, I'm gonna go with five to four.
[00:27:26]  We're entering a dangerous period of the exclusion and the erasure of trans people from public visibility and knowledge.
[00:27:37]  That's their goal.
[00:27:38]  Knowledge isn't the right word, but you know what I mean.
[00:27:40]  Awareness, having a place in society.
[00:27:43]  And so I think it's important to see the kind of rhetoric that Alex is putting out into the world about these sorts of issues on January 17th, 2019.
[00:27:52]  I'm going to have my wife put a little chain around my neck, and I'm going to wear some socks on my ears.
[00:27:56]  I'm going to say I'm a basset hound, and I'm going to have her lead me into PetSmart, and we need him to get a full shampoo, nails trimmed, and we need his anal gland milk.
[00:28:06]  And I will just, I'll come in like a dog on all fours, and then I'll, and if they don't, if they don't, I'm sorry, this is really happening, if they don't take me in the back and shampoo me and have the lady come over and, you know, milk the anal gland, that's what they do for dogs.
[00:28:20]  Then they're bad.
[00:28:22]  Because in England, I'm not joking, you get arrested or you get fired if a man comes in with a beard and a huge, you know what, and says, you are going to check my cervix in a pap smear for cancer.
[00:28:35]  And the nurse had to go along with the mental illness and said, okay.
[00:28:38]  But when she actually got his pants off, she said, sir, I can't do it.
[00:28:41]  You don't have a cervix.
[00:28:42]  That hospital was your ass is fired.
[00:28:45]  Well, you know what?
[00:28:46]  That's it.
[00:28:47]  I'm going to PetSmart Petco.
[00:28:49]  And I'm going to come in there as a dog?
[00:28:51]  And it's not sexual assault to tell a woman to milk my you-know-what gland.
[00:28:55]  I'm just going to go in there and say, do it!
[00:28:57]  Maybe he was into sex magic.
[00:28:59]  Maybe I was wrong to assume.
[00:29:00]  That's entirely possible.
[00:29:01]  That sounds like something that he's aware of dog play, that's for sure.
[00:29:06]  Or pet play, I apologize.
[00:29:08]  Alex is never going to do this, but it is his way of trying to...
[00:29:13]  He thinks what he's doing is taking trans identities and doing a reducto ad absurdum argument, where you take the same logic and go to an absurd extreme.
[00:29:23]  And it's nonsense.
[00:29:24]  And then further, that story that he's telling about this nurse who got fired...
[00:29:28]  From this UK hospital.
[00:29:30]  I assume he gave us all the information and we don't need to investigate it.
[00:29:33]  I'm pretty sure he's just making that up.
[00:29:35]  Like, he's probably referencing a Breitbart story from 2017 about how a woman went into a clinic in the UK and requested a female nurse and was upset that a trans woman nurse showed up in the exam room.
[00:29:46]  No one was fired over it, and the NHS did apologize to the patient afterwards.
[00:29:51]  Which I don't know if that's even the appropriate thing to do, but whatever.
[00:29:54]  In terms of Alex being outraged about it, that should be where the story stops.
[00:29:59]  It's also possible that he's referencing a sensationalized story out of The Sun, which is a tabloid.
[00:30:08]  change their gender would be invited to have health screenings that were appropriate for their gender.
[00:30:14]  So, if the story was about anything real, it was about the bureaucracy of the health administration not othering trans people.
[00:30:21]  It wasn't about trans women demanding pap smears as a threat.
[00:30:25]  It was about routine reminders that are sent out to everyone to invite them to take care of their health care.
[00:30:30]  There's nothing malicious or weird in that story at all.
[00:30:34]  Though I can find no evidence that this is a real story, I can find other stories that Alex doesn't want to talk about.
[00:30:40]  There was a case in 2015 where a trans man who wished to use a pseudonym went to an ER where the staff debated his gender in front of him because the license that he was carrying wasn't up to date.
[00:30:51]  Quote, they came up and she's like, that's a girl pointing at me saying, no, that's really a girl.
[00:30:56]  It wasn't businesslike at all.
[00:30:58]  I was a spectacle.
[00:30:59]  I was a freak show at the circus.
[00:31:00]  It was definitely to draw attention to the fact that my outward appearance didn't match my identification.
[00:31:06]  Ethan Cicero, who authored a study on trans experience at hospitals, expressed that this experience is all too common, and in fact is a threat to people's safety, saying, quote, From a safety standpoint, I don't know many people who would want to be in that position and stay in that environment, so often transgender people may leave without receiving the needed care.
[00:31:26]  A 2012 study by the National Center for Gender Equality found that 19% of those surveyed had been denied medical care because they were trans or gender nonconforming, and that 28% had reported postponing care when sick or injured due to discrimination.
[00:31:40]  The story that Alex is telling is not true, but what that story reinforces is a status quo that is killing people, and I mean that literally.
[00:31:48]  In May 2015, 14-year-old Kyler Prescott committed suicide after hospital employees and staff would not stop calling him a girl.
[00:31:57]  Tyler was a trans boy and was admitted to Rady's Children's Hospital in San Diego for depression and anxiety and was on a suicide watch to begin with.
[00:32:04]  But, according to his mother, the staff refusing to stop misgendering him caused a downward spiral.
[00:32:10]  They were making him worse.
[00:32:12]  They were completely traumatizing him.
[00:32:14]  The staff knew the situation and one employee even said, quote, Honey, I would call you he, but you're such a pretty girl.
[00:32:21]  That's kind of why I don't care about stories like the one...
[00:32:25]  There's one from July 2018 about a doctor named David McGrath who had his contract terminated at a UK hospital because he staunchly refused to accept the hospital's policy of referring to people by their preferred pronoun.
[00:32:35]  He can claim all he wants that it's irrelevant to his ability to treat a patient, but tons of anecdotal stories and actual studies have been done that clearly show that this is not the case and that he's wrong.
[00:32:48]  Also, that story about David McGrath cannot possibly...
[00:32:51]  B, what Alex is referencing, all the details are completely different.
[00:32:54]  So that doesn't even track with his almost certainly made-up story.
[00:32:59]  So my point here is that what Alex is doing is bad.
[00:33:07]  That's how they angle every trans issue.
[00:33:11]  Every trans issue is always the reverse of the reality.
[00:33:15]  Oh, do you want some man going into the women's bathroom where your child, your little girl might be?
[00:33:24]  Well...
[00:33:25]  A trans man is infinitely more likely to be abused when going into the men's bathroom than going into the correct gender's bathroom.
[00:33:34]  It's always the opposite.
[00:33:36]  It is always the reason for this protection is sexual abuse.
[00:33:42]  Towards trans people.
[00:33:44]  The reason for these protections are always because so much abuse is levied towards trans people, and they try and turn it into somehow they're, oh, they're firing people for not wanting to continue to abuse people.
[00:33:58]  Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[00:34:00]  When in reality, the only story that I can find that even comes close to tracing to, or tracking with what Alex is talking about, is an instance of a trans woman nurse who was made Right.
[00:34:18]  I don't know.
[00:34:19]  Which is...
[00:34:19]  It's just classic...
[00:34:20]  Victim-blaming behavior.
[00:34:22]  And that's what you expect out of Alex.
[00:34:24]  And, you know, this isn't anything new.
[00:34:27]  It's not like, hey, look at Alex taking a weird turn.
[00:34:30]  It's right par on course.
[00:34:32]  But it just, it needs to be pointed out as, you know, as you see it, that what Alex is doing is reinforcing a worldview that is one of, it's very dangerous right now.
[00:34:43]  And he can't, he does not get a pass for that.
[00:34:46]  Now, we're going to jump to the 19th now, and we have one clip from the 19th.
[00:34:51]  And I think this will...
[00:34:53]  It doesn't let Alex off the hook for anything, but I legitimately think that this clip might serve as an indication that we can't talk about Alex in the same way in the present day anymore.

=== True Sounds and Chemical Imbalance (08:58) ===

[00:35:04]  I think he says something that reveals that he isn't...
[00:35:09]  I'm having a stroke on air right now, as we speak!
[00:35:13]  It's close to that.
[00:35:14]  I think that we see clear evidence of real substantial mental impairment.
[00:35:21]  I've never taken it because I don't need to take it.
[00:35:23]  I'm not going to get into my own private issues, but...
[00:35:26]  I go to 62% oxygen.
[00:35:28]  I always have my head next basically to form after major surgery and almost die every night.
[00:35:33]  Most people die at 62% oxygen.
[00:35:35]  I have near-death experiences every night, and that's why I have DMT every damn night, folks.
[00:35:40]  I don't need to take DMT with Joe Rogan.
[00:35:42]  Fine, I just told you my private issues.
[00:35:43]  I've been to two different sleep studies.
[00:35:45]  I want to do major surgery on me.
[00:35:46]  I got a 20-inch neck.
[00:35:47]  I got problems.
[00:35:48]  I got to sleep basically sitting up with a mouth guard in my face.
[00:35:52]  The CPAP machines don't work.
[00:35:54]  That's extreme.
[00:35:56]  Wow, so he's got some serious apnea.
[00:35:58]  This is a big deal.
[00:35:59]  What Alex is talking about here on the show is incredibly serious.
[00:36:03]  He's trying to be defensive about how he doesn't want to do DMT with Joe Rogan, but in the process, he reveals that he has severe sleep apnea that apparently is beyond what's treatable with normal procedures, and he has to sleep sitting up.
[00:36:15]  All that is really sad to hear, since as somebody who suffered with sleep disorders earlier in my life, I'd never wish that kind of thing on anyone, even Alex.
[00:36:23]  At the same time, it really starts to clear up some questions about why Alex is the way he is.
[00:36:28]  According to a 2016 study from the UCLA School of Nursing, people who suffer from sleep apnea show significant changes in their levels of two important brain chemicals.
[00:36:37]  The first is GABA, or gamma amniobutyric acid.
[00:36:41]  Studies showed that people with sleep apnea showed significant decreases of GABA, which is involved in integrating signals from higher brain regions to regulate emotions, thinking, and physical functions such as blood pressure and perspiration.
[00:36:56]  UCLA described GABA as a chemical messenger that assists keeping people calm, functioning like a brake pedal, and people with severe sleep apnea, like Alex is describing, have significantly lower levels of it.
[00:37:08]  Simultaneously, the study found that while GABA levels are low, levels of glutamine are significantly elevated in patients with sleep apnea.
[00:37:16]  Glutamine is the opposite of GABA and works as an accelerator.
[00:37:19]  When glutamine levels are high, the brain is working in a state of stress and consequently doesn't function as efficiently.
[00:37:27]  Paul Macy, the lead researcher of the study, said, What we were surprised to see was the drop in GABA.
[00:37:44]  That made us realize that there must be a reorganization of how the brain is working.
[00:37:48]  If Alex suffers from sleep apnea so severe that CPAP machines can't do anything about it, it's a very serious condition, and you'd expect to see wildly out-of-balance levels of GABA and glutamine accompanying that.
[00:38:01]  And you know what?
[00:38:02]  That very clearly explains his behavior.
[00:38:04]  It doesn't explain his bigotry, but in terms of the diminished brain functioning and the clearly out-of-control behavior we've seen from him in the last few years, it could all be the public presentation of brain damage he suffered because of his sleep apnea.
[00:38:16]  Obviously, this doesn't let him off the hook for anything, since we can see that his terrible beliefs and real stupidity predates any kind of change in his behavior.
[00:38:24]  But if this sleep apnea developed over the past few years, it would definitely explain the flagrant inability he has to control his emotions.
[00:38:31]  And his out-of-control outbursts on the show, all that sort of stuff that we're like, haha, isn't this crazy?
[00:38:37]  It legitimately could be the result of brain damage caused by his severe sleep apnea.
[00:38:42]  I don't know how I feel about that.
[00:38:44]  But there is some good news.
[00:38:46]  They've also found in these studies...
[00:38:48]  He'll be dead soon.
[00:38:49]  No, no.
[00:38:50]  They've also found in these studies strong indications that the brain damage caused by these out-of-whack brain chemical levels is not permanent.
[00:38:58]  Yeah.
[00:38:58]  So if Alex actually starts taking his health seriously, gets that surgery that the doctors have recommended and going on the right path, he could be back to being a run-of-the-mill, interesting racist in no time.
[00:39:08]  Hey!
[00:39:09]  It's possible.
[00:39:10]  I mean, a lot of this stuff, it really, when he says things like this...
[00:39:13]  It gives you a window into like, okay, the way he's describing that doesn't sound like when he just makes stuff up.
[00:39:19]  He seems pissed off to have to be talking about it because he accidentally brought it up.
[00:39:23]  And it gives you a window.
[00:39:25]  And that window is...
[00:39:27]  He probably has diminished brain functioning and completely way out of normal range chemical levels for these sort of restricting and accelerating brain chemicals.
[00:39:41]  It explains so much.
[00:39:42]  Yeah, it's very much like he's on adrenaline all the time.
[00:39:47]  Like, every single moment of his life, his brain is stressed out fighting for existence.
[00:39:53]  But at the same time, you can't excuse him, of course.
[00:39:59]  No, no, no, no.
[00:40:00]  Not at all.
[00:40:00]  But it is one of those things where, like, if you've ever had anybody in a traumatic car accident near you whose personality suddenly changed.
[00:40:10]  It's often, it's really rare that it's a complete, like, 180 in who they are.
[00:40:16]  Right.
[00:40:16]  It's almost always an acceleration and an expansion of those terrible character traits that they already had.
[00:40:23]  They just don't have anything inhibiting that behavior.
[00:40:26]  Right, right, right.
[00:40:26]  So, I mean, hey, he's always wanted a fascist, but now he really wants a fascist!
[00:40:33]  Yeah, and maybe on some levels because of what we do, you know, parsing out the clues that he provides and getting context for the things he's saying, maybe this brain chemical imbalance actually really helps us because he doesn't have those governors that restrict his regulation of emotions, his outbursts and stuff like that.
[00:40:52]  So maybe he tips his hand more because of it.
[00:40:55]  Yeah, we need a statistical analysis of how often he drops.
[00:41:00]  The quiet part loud in the past three years as compared to 2009.
[00:41:04]  It definitely seems like more.
[00:41:05]  Yeah, it does.
[00:41:06]  I don't know.
[00:41:07]  I feel very weird about this because I don't know where this puts Alex on my feelings about this, or at least in the present day.
[00:41:15]  But I feel very conflicted about it.
[00:41:17]  Like, if what he's saying is true, then that imbalance does exist.
[00:41:22]  And his behavior does match with what studies have shown the behavior of someone.
[00:41:27]  Who has brain damage from severe sleep apnea, how it would present.
[00:41:31]  Yeah.
[00:41:32]  I don't know how I feel about that.
[00:41:34]  I don't know.
[00:41:35]  I don't have an answer.
[00:41:36]  I'm just conflicted.
[00:41:37]  Yeah, well, the other problem, though, is we can't A, verify what he's saying is true.
[00:41:41]  It sounds super true.
[00:41:43]  It sounds true in the way that normally when he's lying about stuff, he's over-exaggerating it.
[00:41:48]  But this is like a, I need to get through this obvious fact and we just need to move on and we don't need to worry about it.
[00:41:54]  But I don't know why Alex would lie about something that makes him seem weaker.
[00:41:58]  Right.
[00:41:58]  It's not in his character to embellish things that aren't sort of like, enhance his importance.
[00:42:05]  At the same time, it kind of gives him a...
[00:42:07]  like a pity card to play.
[00:42:09]  Yeah.
[00:42:09]  But it doesn't feel made up.
[00:42:11]  And the reason that I take it more seriously is because when you read these studies, his behavior matches the outcome that would be the result of this.
[00:42:20]  Right.
[00:42:21]  That's what I take as like the most...
[00:42:23]  Compelling piece of evidence.
[00:42:25]  Right.
[00:42:25]  Again, like I said, I don't know.
[00:42:26]  It could also match up with C.T. Eve based on football and how many fights he apparently got into.
[00:42:34]  Cinder blocks have hit him in the head.
[00:42:35]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:36]  Like all of this stuff is probably attributable.
[00:42:40]  Some of that is a little bit less predictable than these specific brain chemicals.
[00:42:44]  Right.
[00:42:45]  The only thing about it is that so much of what we've talked about regarding him.
[00:42:49]  Could be attributable to any number of reduced brain functions.
[00:42:54]  Or drugs.
[00:42:55]  Exactly.
[00:42:56]  Which is why I'm fucking conflicted.
[00:42:58]  It's odd, yeah.
[00:42:59]  So for now, my editorial position is...
[00:43:02]  He was fucked up.
[00:43:03]  He is fucked up.
[00:43:05]  We're not sure why.
[00:43:06]  We're not sure why.
[00:43:08]  I'm going to call myself out on it a little bit with a little asterisk when we talk about him in the future and throughout the rest of the show that we might be being horrible.
[00:43:20]  But until further confirmation comes.
[00:43:24]  And no matter what, I think that he's a father, he has kids, he needs to take care of that.
[00:43:30]  So my feeling on it is...
[00:43:32]  As entertaining as outbursts are, I think the greater good is for him to listen to his doctors and get that neck surgery.

=== Leaving Town, Leaving Plans (07:13) ===

[00:43:42]  You have millions of dollars.
[00:43:43]  You have good health care.
[00:43:44]  You can do that.
[00:43:46]  Don't keep sleeping sitting up.
[00:43:48]  I don't know.
[00:43:49]  I don't know what the Infowars insurance package is.
[00:43:52]  I'm telling you, I don't think he gives great insurance.
[00:43:55]  I don't know.
[00:43:56]  He has it for himself.
[00:43:58]  Anyway.
[00:43:58]  Of course he does.
[00:43:59]  I don't know, man.
[00:44:00]  So that was a real serious curveball for me.
[00:44:03]  Yeah, that's tough.
[00:44:04]  Yeah.
[00:44:05]  And so now we jump to the 23rd, where we'll spend the rest of our time for today, going through how Alex enjoyed Wednesday.
[00:44:13]  And he starts by a little bit of defensiveness about how he said that Trump was going to declare an emergency and then it didn't happen, which we went over on a past episode.
[00:44:23]  But, hey, Alex wasn't wrong about that.
[00:44:26]  How could he not have been wrong about it?
[00:44:27]  The economy's slowing for the first time in two-plus years because of the ongoing shutdown.
[00:44:34]  And I really sit back and think, shouldn't Trump have just declared a national emergency?
[00:44:40]  Oh, but he got convinced not to do it.
[00:44:42]  He was going to do it.
[00:44:43]  My prediction did not fail.
[00:44:45]  No.
[00:44:46]  So he was never talking about it.
[00:44:47]  That's not how predictions work.
[00:44:49]  I said he's declaring an emergency, and then when he was, we told you, but...
[00:44:53]  They backed off.
[00:44:55]  So his prediction is wrong.
[00:44:57]  Yeah, that doesn't work.
[00:44:58]  What he's trying to present is a convoluted, nonsensical idea.
[00:45:02]  I told you a sunspot was going to destroy New York City on January 12th, and...
[00:45:08]  The sun just backed off.
[00:45:10]  That doesn't mean it didn't still want to destroy New York.
[00:45:13]  Right.
[00:45:14]  But it was convinced by Pompeo not to.
[00:45:17]  He doesn't seem to understand what a prediction is.
[00:45:19]  No, I don't think so either.
[00:45:20]  This is what's going to happen.
[00:45:21]  It didn't happen.
[00:45:22]  But I was right.
[00:45:23]  Yeah.
[00:45:23]  They were gonna do it.
[00:45:24]  They were gonna do it.
[00:45:25]  Oh, boy.
[00:45:26]  So the issue comes down to this idea that Alex is always right, but Trump backed off at the last minute.
[00:45:32]  Alex discusses a trend that this seems to keep happening.
[00:45:36]  This seems to keep happening.
[00:45:38]  So he's close to getting it.
[00:45:39]  He's close to getting it.
[00:45:40]  He gets it.
[00:45:42]  He's just rationalizing it now.
[00:45:45]  That's the facts, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:45:47]  And so the president has all these ways to skin a cat, and he can use the military funding to do it, and he should have done it.
[00:45:57]  So I told you they were looking at an emergency.
[00:45:59]  They decided to do it.
[00:46:00]  They said they were going to do it, and then he backed off.
[00:46:04]  So when it comes time for Trump, To really execute with canines.
[00:46:12]  To really bite into it every time he backs off.
[00:46:15]  Doesn't release the secret document showing he was illegally spied on, they perjured themselves.
[00:46:19]  Or?
[00:46:20]  Didn't do it.
[00:46:21]  They didn't exist.
[00:46:22]  A lot of these things he says he'll do, right when it comes to the final edge of the situation, he isn't doing it.
[00:46:29]  And so, hey, we'll see who's right about this in the end.
[00:46:32]  Yeah, we will.
[00:46:34]  Because, I mean, your immediate response was right.
[00:46:36]  It's like, oh, maybe Trump is backing off at the last minute, or maybe he's a fucking con man who's bluffing with all this stuff, and these things aren't real.
[00:46:46]  Yeah.
[00:46:47]  Maybe.
[00:46:48]  Maybe everything you want him to do is such a tremendously bad idea, even he eventually gets to the point where he's like, Oh yeah, you're right.
[00:47:00]  This is not at all true.
[00:47:02]  And it would instead make me look like a fucking idiot.
[00:47:05]  Which I don't want to do.
[00:47:07]  Alex's argument about Trump being spied on relies on the Dennis Montgomery information that Alex Jones has from the Cold Case Squad down in Joe Arpaio's police department in Maricopa County, which we went over.
[00:47:19]  It's complete bullshit.
[00:47:20]  That whole story is absolute nonsense.
[00:47:22]  Soft yes.
[00:47:22]  So just imagine the idea.
[00:47:24]  Just imagine the idea of Trump coming out with that.
[00:47:27]  The public...
[00:47:28]  Can you imagine if more people than just us talked about the Dennis Montgomery, the actual journalists that could pour over it and be like, look at all the problems here.
[00:47:40]  It would be opening Pandora's box in a way that Trump would never want to do.
[00:47:45]  And that should give some indication that the story doesn't have as much legs as Alex wants it to.
[00:47:51]  Now, he can recontextualize it all he wants as, like, Trump keeps getting to the edge and backing off, but that's not what's going on.
[00:47:58]  It's he's lying to the public repeatedly and then not following through because he knows it would be a clusterfuck.
[00:48:06]  That is kind of a fascinating thing for Alex, though, is because, of course, he feels like I'm being betrayed by the president.
[00:48:15]  At least publicly facing, right?
[00:48:18]  But he does the same thing on account of he knows that he's lying as well.
[00:48:23]  Right.
[00:48:24]  So he knows that if the president is going to lie the same way he lies, he's going to be roundly fucked with.
[00:48:32]  But the president is the fucking president of the United States, so everyone's going to be paying attention, not just fucking us, like you were saying.
[00:48:41]  There's no way that Trump could do any of that shit without being destroyed.
[00:48:47]  Definitely.
[00:48:48]  Definitely.
[00:48:48]  And con men, one of the essential features in their sort of...
[00:48:52]  Modus operandi is that they don't follow through.
[00:48:56]  Yeah.
[00:48:57]  Like a confidence guy, classically, is out of town by the time that comes time to do whatever they said they were going to do.
[00:49:07]  Which is why you don't become president, because you can't just leave!
[00:49:11]  It turns out you can just move on.
[00:49:14]  You can just twist the news cycle into something else.
[00:49:18]  That's true.
[00:49:20]  Yeah, this is the spiritual version of leaving town.
[00:49:23]  That's what Alex is describing when he says Trump doesn't follow through with his canines.
[00:49:27]  Yeah.
[00:49:28]  It's the same thing.
[00:49:29]  Same thing when Alex tries to prove anything.
[00:49:31]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:32]  Yeah, he's leaving town.
[00:49:34]  Well, I'm going to spend this entire episode proving why it is...
[00:49:38]  That Trump should have declared a national emergency.
[00:49:41]  First, I'm going to spend the two hours, of course, bitching about why everybody makes me feel bad all the time.
[00:49:46]  I'm going to devote the last two hours.
[00:49:48]  Well, I'm not going to do the fourth hour because I'm just tired.
[00:49:51]  Yeah, someone else is going to take over.
[00:49:52]  And in the third hour, I'm going to kind of touch on it.
[00:49:56]  I'm going to tell you that some headlines would say it's a good idea.
[00:49:58]  But hold on, we're going to have to take a caller.
[00:50:01]  That caller insulted me!
[00:50:02]  So I have officially debunked all of this for about ten...
[00:50:07]  15 minutes, and what I said is not true.
[00:50:09]  Right.
[00:50:09]  I mean, we saw it in the FEMA camp proving episode that he had.
[00:50:13]  It's like, he moved the goalposts a bunch of times, pretended to prove other things, and then was like, well, I'm out of time.
[00:50:19]  I think we've made our case.
[00:50:21]  I only have time to reveal 10% of the...
[00:50:24]  It's like, fuck off, man.
[00:50:25]  You're leaving town.
[00:50:26]  So that's going to work better than a bull corn hot dog, I think.
[00:50:30]  Bull corny hot dog.
[00:50:31]  I wrote it down so we could turn it into a thing.

=== Alex's Covington Controversy (04:53) ===

[00:50:35]  I think we would have a better chance of it than Alex, quite frankly.
[00:50:39]  Bull cucky hot dog is what I call the libs.
[00:50:43]  So, like I said, a lot of the narratives that Alex is perpetuating in the present day are just so predictable.
[00:50:49]  They're exactly what you would expect.
[00:50:51]  And here is Alex talking about the kids from Covington.
[00:50:55]  Oh, no.
[00:50:56]  I don't want to talk about them.
[00:50:57]  We don't have to talk about them too much, but here's Alex's take on it.
[00:51:00]  Coming up, I'm going to get into all that, where it's like, are they bad or are they good?
[00:51:05]  That's what mainstream media NBC is now saying.
[00:51:07]  And these kids go on there.
[00:51:10]  NBC does a fair interview, but still a whitewash.
[00:51:14]  Yeah.
[00:51:14]  And they get demonized by the left.
[00:51:17]  Yeah.
[00:51:18]  Hey, NBC, why don't you show...
[00:51:20]  People saying, we're going to kill you and cut your organs out, you white piece of crap, you cracker piece of crap.
[00:51:25]  You want me to play all the clips again?
[00:51:28]  We've got 20 minutes of insults and cussing, and the kids trying to get away to the bus stop, and then the poor, wonderful Rambo Vietnam commando elder chief big wampum.
[00:51:46]  Marches over and gets in their face, and the whole corporate press cuts the tape, edits it, and lies because they're the enemy of the people.
[00:51:52]  That's not good.
[00:51:53]  I mean, just the Chief Big Wampum thing is real bad.
[00:51:56]  I don't know why Alex can't defend kids who are acting in a very racially insensitive, racist way without actually descending into racism himself.
[00:52:04]  I don't know.
[00:52:05]  It seems to undercut his argument a little bit.
[00:52:07]  It seems indicative of something, actually.
[00:52:08]  Yeah, it seems like, huh, Alex?
[00:52:11]  Why are you picking on these racist kids doing racist shit?
[00:52:14]  I'm doing racist shit!
[00:52:16]  Yeah.
[00:52:17]  That's weird.
[00:52:18]  It's very weird.
[00:52:19]  And what he's talking about, I mean, what he's doing is he's trying to pull this weird sleight-of-hand trick where he conflates the Native American guy with the black Israelites who were yelling stuff at the kids.
[00:52:32]  I ignored this entire story.
[00:52:35]  And that's because...
[00:52:37]  Hey, guess what?
[00:52:38]  What?
[00:52:38]  Whatever you thought is...
[00:52:40]  Pretty much right.
[00:52:41]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:42]  Even if you ignored the story.
[00:52:43]  I went into seeing the details, watching the videos and stuff.
[00:52:49]  Yeah, if your takeaway is that those kids, and particularly the one who was just sort of smugly standing in front of the dude.
[00:52:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:58]  If your takeaway is that they were acting really...
[00:53:03]  Yeah.
[00:53:04]  You're right.
[00:53:05]  You're right.
[00:53:05]  There's more nuance to it in terms of, like, the kids from Covington were getting into a bit of an argument with these black Israelites that were there, black Hebrew guys.
[00:53:16]  But...
[00:53:16]  The Native American guy who came in with the drum was trying to diffuse the situation, and then those kids started antagonizing him.
[00:53:23]  Yeah, of course.
[00:53:23]  If you actually watch the videos, you can tell that the black Israelites were actually calmed down by the intervention of this other guy, and the kids in the MAGA hats and what have you were not.
[00:53:35]  They then began antagonizing him.
[00:53:37]  I would hate to be in the picture that is so closely related to...
[00:53:44]  What was the name of the first black student?
[00:53:49]  Do you remember the Alabama picture with that crazy white bitch screaming at her?
[00:53:55]  Like, that's that picture.
[00:53:57]  I don't want to be that kid.
[00:53:58]  Has anybody considered trying not to be that kid?
[00:54:01]  It is the sort of thing where the optics of it are really resonant.
[00:54:07]  They really capture a lot more than the actual picture captures.
[00:54:12]  I don't know.
[00:54:13]  Look, my position on it is the issue is these kids were mixing it up and arguing with these black Israelites.
[00:54:23]  If you want to point the finger at somebody, point it at them.
[00:54:27]  You could have that, but instead, Alex...
[00:54:31]  His take on it is that this Native American elder is Chief Big Wampum, and that he's a Soros operative, and he's there to destabilize things.
[00:54:40]  He's paid to go to college campuses and get upset about people dressing up like Native Americans.
[00:54:46]  He has this whole, like...
[00:54:48]  That is a strange gig.
[00:54:50]  I mean, I understand that Uber doesn't pay that well.
[00:54:54]  Right.
[00:54:54]  But I'm just saying that that doesn't seem like it pays that well either.
[00:54:58]  He has this whole convoluted narrative about how Soros is behind it and how this is trying to create racial division and what have you.
[00:55:06]  I suppose my biggest frustration and the reason that I didn't pay attention to this story is because there are already so many of these.

=== 14 Hours Of Standoff (09:37) ===

[00:55:15]  Yep.
[00:55:16]  There are so many of these pictures.
[00:55:18]  Just go to the fucking Ferguson.
[00:55:20]  Any number of these pictures, if you want to find them, you can see a picture that gives you a perfect encapsulation of white racism.
[00:55:29]  I don't like these stories because clearly we have not been able to focus on any one of these pictures for a long enough period of time to do anything about it.
[00:55:38]  You've got too many people muddying the waters, man.
[00:55:40]  Right?
[00:55:41]  Soros operatives, baby.
[00:55:43]  To me, it's just so frustrating because it's like, fucking guys, we've got to pick one and then never shut the fuck up about it.
[00:55:50]  Ever.
[00:55:51]  The same one every single fucking day.
[00:55:53]  That's what the right does.
[00:55:55]  But that's what I'm saying!
[00:55:56]  That's why they're successful!
[00:55:58]  That's why they've done so well is because they have one thing to say and they just fucking hit it every goddamn day.
[00:56:05]  Right.
[00:56:05]  They have a real targeting and focus of message.
[00:56:08]  Yeah.
[00:56:08]  Whether or not what they're saying is true or not.
[00:56:10]  It's why they've won so much.
[00:56:12]  There's something to that.
[00:56:13]  So Alex wants to talk about how those kids wearing the MAGA hats are awesome.
[00:56:18]  And one of the reasons is that places where MAGA is cool are better.
[00:56:24]  But he then explains what he means by better.
[00:56:28]  I don't think...
[00:56:29]  I was going to say, I want to hear where better is.
[00:56:32]  I don't think that this is better.
[00:56:33]  Because I don't think he lives there.
[00:56:35]  No.
[00:56:36]  Well, guess what?
[00:56:37]  All the areas where people wear the red hats is where everybody wants to get into.
[00:56:41]  Because you know what?
[00:56:42]  That's where people work 12, 14 hours a day.
[00:56:45]  No.
[00:56:46]  That's where we still fly old glory down at the courthouse.
[00:56:49]  I don't want that.
[00:56:50]  You can make fun of being square all day.
[00:56:52]  Most of us that are square have not been square at some point and figured out it's a lot better being square than being twisted.
[00:56:59]  Is it?
[00:57:00]  Being a drug addict or being a pervert or being a weirdo or being a criminal.
[00:57:05]  Yeah, you're damn right I'm square.
[00:57:07]  I'm squared away pretty good.
[00:57:09]  I'm not perfect.
[00:57:10]  I want to get squared away more.
[00:57:12]  You're drunk on air all the time, man.
[00:57:14]  Don't fucking come at us with this nonsense.
[00:57:16]  You drink on the job.
[00:57:18]  Oh, man.
[00:57:19]  You're real square, Alex.
[00:57:21]  But I would say that, like, if what he's saying, like, the places where MAGA is cool, like, that's where people are working 12 to 14 hours a day.
[00:57:28]  That's too much.
[00:57:29]  Yeah, boo!
[00:57:30]  That's terrible.
[00:57:31]  Boo!
[00:57:31]  I don't want to do that.
[00:57:32]  Get better jobs.
[00:57:33]  Yeah.
[00:57:33]  Yeah, that's awful.
[00:57:34]  I don't want to do that at all.
[00:57:36]  No. 14 hours a day is absurd.
[00:57:38]  That's what I work on this podcast.
[00:57:40]  I know.
[00:57:40]  Do you remember the predictions of the future from the 1940s and 50s?
[00:57:45]  The number one was always like, and because of automation, we'll all only work three hours a day.
[00:57:51]  And everyone's like, fuck yes!
[00:57:53]  Yeah, if your standard of a good place is you're overworked, then probably underpaid.
[00:57:59]  No, not good.
[00:58:00]  And then second, he says Old Glory flying at the Statehouse.
[00:58:03]  He means the Confederate flag.
[00:58:05]  Yeah, he absolutely does.
[00:58:06]  I would say no.
[00:58:08]  I do not think that makes for a good place.
[00:58:10]  I don't even know if I want the American flag flying at the courthouse.
[00:58:13]  I think that that's fine.
[00:58:14]  I just want a courthouse.
[00:58:17]  That's covered in Bibles.
[00:58:19]  I think that he's being real stupid there.
[00:58:21]  And maybe not thinking too much.
[00:58:23]  Yeah.
[00:58:23]  I think that even in his, like, sort of calmer moments, he might not advocate for a place where you work 14 hours a day.
[00:58:30]  That seems like...
[00:58:32]  That's the real America.
[00:58:33]  That's what he's trying to do.
[00:58:34]  He's trying to be like, the real America, you know, farmers!
[00:58:39]  Or coal miners.
[00:58:41]  Maybe.
[00:58:41]  Those kinds of salt-of-the-earth jobs.
[00:58:44]  Farmer, maybe.
[00:58:45]  Farmer might be what he...
[00:58:46]  Where you work 14 hours a day, and you go home for two hours, and you hit your wife, and then you sleep for eight hours, and you do it all the next day, Dan!
[00:58:55]  Real America!
[00:58:57]  He could be hearkening to that.
[00:58:58]  That is entirely possible.
[00:58:59]  But what he fails to recognize is that people who are working 14 hours a day are people who are in the gig economy, and people who have two...
[00:59:07]  No jobs and you can't make rent and that sort of thing.
[00:59:10]  You know who works a lot of 14-hour days?
[00:59:12]  Fucking Uber drivers and shit.
[00:59:14]  People in non-Confederate flag-waving states.
[00:59:18]  Yeah, you know who doesn't get health insurance?
[00:59:20]  People working 12 to 14 hours a day.
[00:59:22]  Yeah, you bet.
[00:59:23]  So that's all stupid.
[00:59:25]  Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is trying to drum up fear about this Caravan 2.0.
[00:59:31]  Because we need it again.
[00:59:32]  The right needs it again.
[00:59:34]  There's another caravan?
[00:59:34]  Yeah, we talked about this already.
[00:59:36]  Alex has started season two.
[00:59:37]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:59:38]  We're on episode two, season two of Caravan Fear.
[00:59:43]  They need it again.
[00:59:44]  And I'm not sure why.
[00:59:45]  I think it probably has to do with the government shutdown and them trying to make sure that Democrats somehow look bad.
[00:59:51]  I don't know.
[00:59:52]  Because there's not another election coming up.
[00:59:55]  I suppose their upticks in the shutdown negotiations require a big bad for the wall.
[01:00:03]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:04]  It's because their narrative about the shutdown is the Democrats don't want the wall.
[01:00:09]  You build up fear of what the wall could stop.
[01:00:12]  That sort of thing.
[01:00:14]  That's entirely what it is.
[01:00:15]  So we have ruined the end of season two when it's disappointing when it goes exactly the same way as it did in season one.
[01:00:22]  But Alex is complaining that this time Mexico is going to let people through.
[01:00:29]  And then he says that Trump should do something very scary.
[01:00:34]  Everyone should be terrified by this.
[01:00:37]  So we'll get into that as well.
[01:00:38]  But understand, the Associated Press and others are reporting what Trump said a few weeks ago.
[01:00:44]  Mexico's gone from saying they'll help defend their own border to, okay, if the U.N. agrees to pay to have these people shipped up to the U.S. border and they don't stay here, we will allow a full-on invasion.
[01:00:58]  Now, you know what the regular response to that is?
[01:01:02]  It's for the president to declare an emergency.
[01:01:04]  Sure.
[01:01:05]  And to put troops into Mexico.
[01:01:06]  I was right.
[01:01:07]  To take Mexico City if we have to.
[01:01:09]  Start a war.
[01:01:10]  Start a war.
[01:01:11]  Mexico City would fall like that.
[01:01:13]  What?
[01:01:14]  And let them know that we're not going to have Mexico running a territorial war against us.
[01:01:18]  Holy shit.
[01:01:19]  Alex is saying that Trump...
[01:01:20]  Wait, so we're just going to declare war on Mexico?
[01:01:23]  And take the capital.
[01:01:24]  Wow.
[01:01:25]  I mean, it would fall so fast.
[01:01:27]  So easily.
[01:01:28]  So easily.
[01:01:29]  You know how great we've been doing in ground wars so far.
[01:01:31]  We're great at it.
[01:01:32]  Yeah.
[01:01:33]  At what point are you then just not like, oh, we own Mexico now?
[01:01:36]  Isn't that what you do?
[01:01:37]  I mean, is that what he's...
[01:01:38]  Or do you just take Mexico City...
[01:01:41]  Right.
[01:01:43]  I don't know, install a government you like there?
[01:01:46]  No, no, no.
[01:01:47]  We don't.
[01:01:48]  Look, that's what happens.
[01:01:50]  Our foreign policy is all about taking our allies and installing governments where we didn't need to.
[01:01:56]  We're all about overthrowing governments, and that's the globalist philosophy.
[01:01:59]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:02:00]  Now, of course, we should do that with Mexico.
[01:02:02]  I mean, a broken clock is right once a globalist.
[01:02:06]  So I think it makes perfect sense.
[01:02:08]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:02:09]  What the fuck, man?
[01:02:11]  You hear stuff.
[01:02:12]  And that is like, that to me is like, did you, like, that's the sleep apnea stuff that I get worried about.
[01:02:21]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:02:21]  Like, he's advocating for a war on Mexico.
[01:02:25]  Yeah.
[01:02:25]  Troops taking Mexico City.
[01:02:27]  Right, right.
[01:02:28]  But that's only because they, what?
[01:02:32]  How far out of line is this with everything he's purported to believe?
[01:02:36]  Like the idea of he hates regime change, the idea that he hates foreign intervention, he believes in state sovereignty, all those sorts of things.
[01:02:45]  All of that is fucking out the window because he is afraid of these immigrants and refugees that have every right to come and plead asylum when they make it to our border.
[01:02:53]  He's so fucking afraid of that.
[01:02:55]  And what's behind it, I think...
[01:02:57]  I think if you really break it down, is the idea that he's afraid of demographic shift.
[01:03:01]  He's afraid of the idea that white people won't hold on to the power status that they enjoy.
[01:03:08]  It's so fun how much right-wing rhetoric relies on Mexico doing things.
[01:03:15]  It's not like, hey, we're going to accomplish something.
[01:03:18]  It's like, Mexico's going to do it for us!
[01:03:20]  See?
[01:03:20]  It's free!
[01:03:21]  They're going to pay for the wall, they're going to stop all these caravans, they're going to do all our work for us, which, I mean, it sort of tracks with how they deal with immigrants.
[01:03:28]  If they don't do all of our work for us, if that sovereign nation that has control of its own borders doesn't do all of our work for us...
[01:03:37]  We're just going to have to conquer that nation.
[01:03:39]  Everybody knows that.
[01:03:40]  Alex is kind of flippant with Mexican sovereignty, I think partially because he has such fantasies about the founding of Texas and stuff like that.
[01:03:48]  I think that there's a pretty decent chance that that's what underlies his disrespect of Mexican sovereignty.
[01:03:53]  He's just kind of like, technically, I live in Mexico, so we might as well own the whole place.
[01:03:59]  Might as well.
[01:04:00]  So that's weird.
[01:04:01]  I think that's pretty bad.
[01:04:02]  But in this next clip, Alex expresses...
[01:04:06]  A certain ambivalence about Trump, and it's as close as you get to criticism.
[01:04:11]  He says that Trump isn't doing a good enough job in terms of protecting Americans.
[01:04:17]  We're losing tens...
[01:04:18]  What's the economy losing?
[01:04:20]  I saw some number like 10 billion a day?
[01:04:22]  Yes.
[01:04:23]  So we'll have this stupid standoff into day 32 when the president has the power to do his job and declare the emergency and circumvent the jerks in Congress.
[01:04:31]  Jerks.
[01:04:31]  Comprende el presidente!

=== Pissed Off and Pivoting Poorly (02:55) ===

[01:04:36]  Seriously, I'm starting to get pissed off at Trump.
[01:04:40]  Now, I know he's a lot better than a foaming at the mouth of Democrats, but it isn't good enough!
[01:04:45]  Protect us from him!
[01:04:46]  Do your job!
[01:04:50]  Stop right there.
[01:04:55]  Okay, it's true.
[01:04:56]  I stayed up late last night, so I had half a turbo force this morning.
[01:05:00]  Half a container, half a packet.
[01:05:02]  And I shouldn't have done it.
[01:05:04]  I'm already pissed.
[01:05:05]  It's making me more angry.
[01:05:06]  And I tell you what, I'm feeling a lot of energy.
[01:05:09]  My brain's sure working good right now.
[01:05:11]  Ladies and gentlemen, it's our newest product.
[01:05:13]  It's Turbo Force from M4LowForceLife.com.
[01:05:17]  And let me tell you.
[01:05:19]  That is not a good ad pivot.
[01:05:21]  His ad pivot is actively advocating not to take the product.
[01:05:25]  Don't take this.
[01:05:27]  I had half of one of the recommended doses and I am.
[01:05:32]  Fucked up!
[01:05:34]  Anyways, you should buy meth!
[01:05:36]  It is less damaging than this shit right here because I am fucked up!
[01:05:42]  My ad pivot, yeah, it's actively working against like, hey guys, what you're seeing from me right now is I'm out of it.
[01:05:48]  I'm out of it because I took this product, which is a new product that's available on the Infowarsstore.com.
[01:05:54]  I'm like, what the fuck?
[01:05:56]  This is bad!
[01:05:57]  That is hilarious.
[01:05:59]  That is very funny.
[01:06:03]  If it were a sketch, it would be brilliant.
[01:06:06]  It would be so funny.
[01:06:11]  I have had three heart attacks this morning, and I would attribute that mainly to TurboForce, the new product available in the Infowars store.
[01:06:20]  I didn't sleep last night.
[01:06:23]  Which is also attributable to what he said a couple days earlier, that he has severe sleep apnea.
[01:06:28]  So he has that.
[01:06:30]  That's probably what caused him to not be able to sleep.
[01:06:32]  Right.
[01:06:33]  So then he gets up in the morning, he has to do his show, he takes his own products, he's fucked up on air and he tries to sell them by saying how tough they are to deal with.
[01:06:43]  I don't understand this world, man.
[01:06:46]  It's crazy.
[01:06:48]  That's bananas.
[01:06:49]  Yeah, it's pretty nuts.
[01:06:49]  I think we're losing, what, like $2 billion in GDP a week?
[01:06:53]  Something like that.
[01:06:55]  That's the real one, not $10 billion a day.
[01:06:57]  But I mean, regardless, it's a lot.
[01:06:59]  And then even beyond that, there's so many hidden costs that are going on.
[01:07:04]  Not just financial costs, but in terms of programs that are being, like their funding is falling through.
[01:07:10]  Whether it's research, there's so many labs that you can read about where people are having to sneak in to keep cultures alive of research they're doing and stuff like that.

=== Demonic Snake Executive Power (15:38) ===

[01:07:20]  There's going to be like massive, massive fallout that we won't understand probably for like the next year.
[01:07:27]  And that was the case the last time we had an even shorter government shutdown.
[01:07:31]  We didn't understand the damage that was being done as it was happening.
[01:07:37]  And we do understand right now the people who are being affected by it not being paid and stuff like that.
[01:07:44]  We understand that.
[01:07:46]  Yep.
[01:07:46]  It's harrowing to think about all the stuff that we're going to discover that we just didn't realize got fucked up in the process.
[01:07:54]  And what's super important to remember is that as much as this is Trump being a giant baby, every Republican in elected office save maybe a few.
[01:08:07]  Trump is a giant coward.
[01:08:09]  Trump is an idiot.
[01:08:11]  Trump doesn't know.
[01:08:12]  Trump is trying to win a fight.
[01:08:14]  Trump is not aware of how real things work.
[01:08:17]  He's a fucking moron.
[01:08:18]  Probably.
[01:08:19]  Every one of these guys in the Senate, not every one of them, but a ton of GOP members in the Senate and the House know full fucking well the damage that they are doing, and they're doing it out of cowardice because they are watching their constituents get fucked over because they don't want to...
[01:08:36]  Get blowback?
[01:08:38]  They don't want to show ass.
[01:08:39]  They don't want to look like they're breaking ranks.
[01:08:43]  And that is exactly why we're fucked.
[01:08:46]  Because all of these people are cowards.
[01:08:49]  Probably.
[01:08:49]  But Alex is still criticizing Trump a little bit in that last clip.
[01:08:53]  He's still giving him a little bit of, I'm getting sick of this guy.
[01:08:55]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:08:56]  We're on getting sick of this guy watch year two.
[01:09:00]  Yeah, but this time Alex follows up.
[01:09:03]  By expressing a plan that he has to protest Trump.
[01:09:08]  And people need to call the White House and support the president by getting his attention.
[01:09:19]  And I am going to go to D.C. soon and have a march on the White House, a peaceful march, calling for the president to do his job and declare an emergency.
[01:09:28]  I thought he would have done it by now.
[01:09:30]  They said he was, but he backed off.
[01:09:32]  Okay.
[01:09:32]  How crazy is it for Alex fucking Jones to be talking about going to Washington, D.C., halfway across the country, to hold a quote-unquote peaceful march, by the way, where he tries to encourage the president to express executive powers.
[01:09:50]  Yeah.
[01:09:50]  How crazy?
[01:09:51]  Not a few years ago, whether it was Obama or Bush's term, He would have done the exact same thing, or maybe pretended he was going to, because he's not going to follow through with this.
[01:10:04]  No, hell no.
[01:10:04]  That would be a lot of work.
[01:10:06]  Yeah, too much.
[01:10:06]  He has sleep apnea.
[01:10:07]  Yeah.
[01:10:08]  But he would have said that he was going to go and protest Bush or Obama, but it would be to have them not express their executive powers.
[01:10:15]  Right, exactly!
[01:10:16]  So now you have Trump, and he's like, he's not doing the thing I need.
[01:10:21]  I need him to create this authoritarian state, because once he does, I can be a media figure.
[01:10:28]  Yeah, pretty much.
[01:10:29]  I can't do it until he does that.
[01:10:31]  I will be accepted once again.
[01:10:32]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:10:33]  I am going to go to the White House and have a peaceful protest saying that Trump should declare himself king and destroy the White House.
[01:10:42]  So I can get back on Twitter.
[01:10:44]  Exactly.
[01:10:47]  What a petty bitch.
[01:10:49]  Yeah, it's pathetic.
[01:10:50]  But I mean, underneath it is that he knows...
[01:10:52]  Or he believes that Trump expressing these executive powers will allow him to create this sort of world that Alex wants to live in, which we understand from engaging with Alex's rhetoric over the years is a white supremacist authoritarian state.
[01:11:09]  Do you think there is also a bit of a, like, obviously in the world we live in now, he can't really be successful.
[01:11:19]  So, if Trump installs a, I guess, dictatorship...
[01:11:23]  I think about this exact question that you're about to ask a lot.
[01:11:26]  Then Trump is thinking, well, I mean, of course I'm going to keep Fox and Friends.
[01:11:30]  Those dudes are stupid shills for me.
[01:11:31]  He loves the deuce.
[01:11:32]  I'm going to get rid of Shepard Smith.
[01:11:35]  He might fire Kilmeade, too.
[01:11:38]  Kilmeade's got to go.
[01:11:39]  I think we're all fine with that.
[01:11:41]  Kilmeade's getting a little too lippy on Fox and Friends.
[01:11:43]  But he's going to install Alex as his front piece?
[01:11:48]  Is that kind of what he thinks?
[01:11:50]  He's going to install Alex in a media operation?
[01:11:53]  I think that Alex thinks that his brand of media would be much more protected.
[01:12:01]  Because we heard him talk about it, about how Obama put in all these executive orders that he can't name and doesn't specify any of them.
[01:12:09]  And one of them is this vague idea of controlling the media.
[01:12:13]  The go fuck yourself Alex Jones initiative.
[01:12:15]  The government has the authority, the executive has the authority to take over the media and stuff like that.
[01:12:21]  What he's really talking about is the emergency alert system.
[01:12:23]  Right.
[01:12:23]  But he believes that...
[01:12:25]  Ooh, what if he was the voice of the emergency alert system?
[01:12:28]  Tornado coming!
[01:12:30]  This is just a warning.
[01:12:36]  Tornado watch.
[01:12:39]  Get to your basements.
[01:12:40]  Hawaii!
[01:12:41]  A nuclear bomb is coming!
[01:12:43]  Everyone's going to kill you!
[01:12:45]  Beep, beep, beep, beep.
[01:12:47]  Apologies.
[01:12:48]  I can do my own Foley work.
[01:12:50]  That was an error.
[01:12:51]  Yeah, I don't...
[01:12:52]  Except I was still right, but it was an error.
[01:12:55]  I think that there is some sense that he has that's misguided, obviously, but there is some sense that should Trump put through these executive powers that Alex believes him to have, he would be able to then overturn all of the things that are keeping Alex down.
[01:13:11]  Like, Trump can get an executive order to put him back on Facebook.
[01:13:14]  Right.
[01:13:14]  Because he believes that those things that are keeping him off of these social media platforms are parts of government coordination and stuff like that.
[01:13:23]  But it's the globalists within the government that are doing it, not his treasured nationalists.
[01:13:29]  So it's all based on a misunderstanding of what's happening to him.
[01:13:33]  And I think a lot of it is willful.
[01:13:36]  But also, it does also feel like he might actually believe it.
[01:13:41]  It's really hard to say.
[01:13:43]  I don't know.
[01:13:44]  I don't know.
[01:13:44]  I just want him to take over for Sarah Huckabee Sanders because life would be so much better.
[01:13:49]  Boof.
[01:13:49]  That would be crazy.
[01:13:50]  They're not even doing press briefings anymore.
[01:13:52]  You might as well put Alex in there.
[01:13:53]  Fuck yeah.
[01:13:54]  Everybody would have a great time.
[01:13:56]  And it would make Alex feel so good.
[01:13:58]  Yeah.
[01:13:58]  Give him a much needed win.
[01:14:00]  Yeah.
[01:14:01]  Second source of income so he can get that neck surgery he needs.
[01:14:05]  Which I bring back up because I think that this next clip...
[01:14:09]  It was a demonstration on January 23rd of exactly his glutamine excessiveness.
[01:14:18]  His overabundance of this...
[01:14:19]  Stress hormone.
[01:14:21]  This accelerator.
[01:14:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:14:22]  And his GABA deficiency.
[01:14:24]  I believe that what we see in this next clip...
[01:14:25]  Not hormone, but brain chemicals, yeah.
[01:14:27]  I think this is a full demonstration of this.
[01:14:29]  And this is why it makes me uncomfortable.
[01:14:31]  I still like to laugh about him and stuff like that, but this is why it's kind of uncomfortable.
[01:14:35]  She drives around in $190,000 cars.
[01:14:38]  He's talking about Maxine Waters.
[01:14:40]  These people are criminals.
[01:14:42]  She swindled to her husband, tens of millions of dollars to his bank of bailout money.
[01:14:47]  She's a damn criminal!
[01:14:48]  Excuse me, they put Maxine Waters on the screen and made me start to have a little bit of a heart attack there.
[01:14:55]  I don't like losing.
[01:14:57]  I don't like seeing this country get run into ground.
[01:14:59]  We can beat these people if we just start making the right moves!
[01:15:07]  I'll stop right now.
[01:15:08]  Dave!
[01:15:10]  I did take Turbo Force this morning.
[01:15:12]  Okay.
[01:15:14]  Holy shit!
[01:15:15]  But it's also serious issues.
[01:15:16]  Dave!
[01:15:17]  See, I can't really take my own products.
[01:15:19]  Dave in New York?
[01:15:20]  That's a really bad ad pivot.
[01:15:22]  That's...
[01:15:23]  I mean, that's not even...
[01:15:24]  That's an anti-ad pivot at the end.
[01:15:26]  But like what you're seeing there...
[01:15:27]  Either that or he just...
[01:15:34]  Did a line of coke.
[01:15:35]  Could be.
[01:15:36]  That's entirely possible.
[01:15:37]  That's the problem.
[01:15:37]  It could be that he's just doing coke.
[01:15:39]  The behavior is also in line with that.
[01:15:42]  Yeah, because you've definitely been to a party where people say that shit.
[01:15:45]  Yeah, or just...
[01:15:47]  Some other thing could make someone laugh that maniacally.
[01:15:51]  And I know that it's sort of a running joke on our show, the fake laugh.
[01:15:54]  A lot of the time, definitely fake.
[01:15:57]  That is right on the line of fake and psychotic.
[01:16:00]  There's something about that.
[01:16:01]  That's a scary laugh.
[01:16:02]  That second laugh gives you chills.
[01:16:04]  It really fucks with you.
[01:16:06]  It's kind of on an almost primal level of like, if you hear somebody make that noise, you want to run.
[01:16:13]  Yeah, I'm going to play it again.
[01:16:15]  Because some shit is happening.
[01:16:15]  I'm going to play it again.
[01:16:16]  Okay.
[01:16:18]  Dave.
[01:16:19]  I did take Turbo Force this morning.
[01:16:21]  Okay.
[01:16:24]  But it's also serious issues.
[01:16:26]  Dave.
[01:16:27]  See, I can't really take my own products.
[01:16:29]  That's fucking the Joker.
[01:16:31]  Yeah.
[01:16:31]  That's legit.
[01:16:33]  Why so serious?
[01:16:34]  That's crazy.
[01:16:36]  I think that if you, on second listen, I think that there is an element of it that's fake, and then there's also a part of it that's not.
[01:16:42]  It's very scary.
[01:16:43]  Yeah, it's very tough to find the line there.
[01:16:46]  No matter what it is, it belies someone who is mentally unwell.
[01:16:50]  Yeah.
[01:16:52]  You hate to see this, even in a big one.
[01:16:55]  Even if that was an act?
[01:16:58]  Yeah.
[01:16:58]  Even if that was fully an act?
[01:16:59]  100% an act.
[01:17:00]  100% an act.
[01:17:01]  That's still f***ing.
[01:17:02]  It's fucking scary.
[01:17:03]  Anybody who's doing that as an act knows how terrifying they are.
[01:17:07]  And presenting it is real.
[01:17:09]  And, you know, you heard that he's going to calls.
[01:17:11]  So he's bringing that energy into talking to his audience.
[01:17:14]  Hi, David!
[01:17:17]  I can't take my own product!
[01:17:21]  Yeah.
[01:17:21]  Anyways, Dave, have you tried Turbo Force?
[01:17:23]  It's on sale now.
[01:17:26]  Terrifying.
[01:17:26]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:17:27]  You're right.
[01:17:27]  There's no way around it.
[01:17:28]  Fake or real.
[01:17:29]  It's still super fucked up.
[01:17:31]  Yeah.
[01:17:32]  Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with all of that.
[01:17:34]  Yeah.
[01:17:35]  So, in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Covington business, and he says that that Native American gentleman, he already called him Big Chief Wampum.
[01:17:45]  That's bad.
[01:17:45]  I assume we're going to continue descending into more racial hatred.
[01:17:50]  I'll say it's not good.
[01:17:52]  I'm coming right back with the Covington kids because that's the next subject I want to get into in the new insane developments.
[01:17:58]  We knew it.
[01:17:59]  We guessed it.
[01:17:59]  He's a Democratic Party Soros operative confirmed.
[01:18:02]  He went to other churches and would try to break into them and go into services and beating his drum saying that Christianity attacked the natives and all this crap.
[01:18:13]  And, of course, he wasn't a Vietnam veteran.
[01:18:15]  That was all a lie.
[01:18:16]  And this guy doesn't just look like a demonic snake.
[01:18:19]  He is a demonic snake.
[01:18:22]  Absolute bottom-of-the-barrel Democrat filth garbage every time.
[01:18:28]  We'll be right back.
[01:18:29]  Stay with us.
[01:18:30]  That's terrible.
[01:18:31]  That is just terrible.
[01:18:32]  I mean, on so many levels.
[01:18:34]  Terrible.
[01:18:35]  I think he's really channeling Andrew Jackson trying to finish the Native American genocide right there.
[01:18:42]  Well, you know, he loves the old Jackson.
[01:18:46]  Because it's legitimately like, oh, he's saying that Christians came in and murdered...
[01:18:51]  They did.
[01:18:53]  They did.
[01:18:54]  Right.
[01:18:54]  They did it on purpose through Christianity.
[01:18:58]  That was their main reason for destroying that life.
[01:19:01]  But what did this guy do?
[01:19:03]  Oh, he was there.
[01:19:05]  And he looked so different.
[01:19:07]  In his interviews that happened afterwards, he wasn't even mad at those kids.
[01:19:12]  No.
[01:19:12]  He didn't demonize them or anything like that.
[01:19:15]  No, I'm pretty sure he was a demonic snake, which is why you can't demonize other people.
[01:19:21]  That's one of the rules of hell.
[01:19:22]  Did you not know that?
[01:19:23]  You know, he says that he looks like a demonic snake, which is also, you know...
[01:19:28]  You would know that if you had been into some serious Satanist shit between the ages of 12 and 15. You'd also know that if you pretended to be into some serious Satanist shit.
[01:19:38]  I don't know.
[01:19:39]  Whenever you say that somebody looks like demonic whatever, that's usually you're trying to use code.
[01:19:46]  I always get the sense that whenever you're relating someone's appearance to demonicness, you're generally...
[01:19:53]  I mean, you're talking about their physical characteristics.
[01:19:58]  It's tough to wiggle away from that because I see that guy and I don't think he looks like a demonic snake.
[01:20:03]  He looks pretty nice.
[01:20:04]  He looks like a guy?
[01:20:05]  Yeah.
[01:20:05]  I don't know.
[01:20:06]  What I think is nice about it is that normally he uses demonic snake.
[01:20:13]  To refer to Jews.
[01:20:15]  So it's nice that he's broadening his horizons, you know?
[01:20:19]  He's using the built-up sort of potency of it that he's used in the past.
[01:20:24]  Yeah.
[01:20:24]  And applying it now to this new situation.
[01:20:27]  So he's using that trigger that he's built up to apply to this guy.
[01:20:31]  So it's not better.
[01:20:32]  It is a...
[01:20:34]  I actually kind of think that he's in a bummer of a place even for him.
[01:20:39]  Yeah.
[01:20:40]  Because what he would really love is to go after the black Israelites.
[01:20:45]  I don't think he even understands that that's part of the story.
[01:20:47]  Right, right, right.
[01:20:48]  But for...
[01:20:49]  Okay, if I was giving...
[01:20:51]  Right.
[01:20:52]  If we were doing our consultancy business...
[01:20:53]  If we worked at InfoWars...
[01:20:54]  If we were doing our consultancy business, our main goal would be go after the black Israelites, but the picture...
[01:20:59]  But the reason that he can't is that they are nationalists, too.
[01:21:02]  Like, they're black nationalists.
[01:21:05]  No, no, no.
[01:21:05]  I think the reason that he can't is because they're not in the picture.
[01:21:08]  Like, if the most publicized picture was the black Israelites and the white assholes, then he can be like, yeah, of course it's right to go after them.
[01:21:20]  A long series of reasons, parentheses, mainly because they're black.
[01:21:26]  But because the picture is of the Native American Vietnam War vet, he has to take him down, and he's like, ah!
[01:21:36]  This is bad even for me!
[01:21:38]  I think that one of the reasons that he can't, even if he did understand the full scope of the situation, go after the black Israelites is that anybody who knows anything about them knows that they...
[01:21:51]  thrive on antagonism.
[01:21:52]  What they do, generally speaking, is they hang out in cities on the East Coast, like New York, and they yell at people on street corners.
[01:21:59]  I don't know anything about the black Israelites.
[01:22:03]  Could you provide some context for me?
[01:22:05]  I can't provide a lot, but if you want to learn a little bit more about them, go for it.
[01:22:10]  But also, there's a good Louis Theroux documentary where he went and hung out with the black nationalists.
[01:22:17]  And they were one of the groups that he hung out with.
[01:22:20]  You can get a little bit of an insight into how they operate.
[01:22:23]  So it's equivalent to...
[01:22:25]  Like the street preachers that you see here in Chicago.
[01:22:27]  Like that guy down on State Street who yells, you're going to hell.
[01:22:30]  And stuff like that.
[01:22:31]  There is a little kernel of that in what they do.
[01:22:34]  They're sort of...
[01:22:35]  The way they operate is to entice people into what they believe by antagonizing them.

=== Brother Jed's Campus Tours (15:42) ===

[01:22:43]  I don't know if you had this...
[01:22:45]  Because you didn't go to college fully.
[01:22:48]  But when I went...
[01:22:49]  Ouch!
[01:22:50]  I'm sorry.
[01:22:51]  I don't mean to disparage.
[01:22:52]  I earned a degree.
[01:22:54]  I just didn't pay for it.
[01:22:55]  Fine.
[01:22:56]  I have more credits than necessary.
[01:22:58]  When I went to University of Missouri, there was a guy who used to come to campus named Brother Jed.
[01:23:04]  And he was this evangelist who would go around the country.
[01:23:08]  I'm sure a number of people who were listening had him come to their campus.
[01:23:11]  Throughout the time they were in college.
[01:23:13]  He was around.
[01:23:16]  But his main base was in Missouri.
[01:23:19]  His main base was in Missouri.
[01:23:23]  And he was always on campus at Mizzou.
[01:23:27]  And his whole thing was just screaming at people about how they're whores and how they're going to hell.
[01:23:32]  And what he would do is he would attract a large crowd of college kids who were mostly laughing at him.
[01:23:38]  And then he would yell at them and try and engage.
[01:23:41]  them in debates and that was his style of evangelism and you know what here's the thing it doesn't work big picture but it does work in terms of like a thousand people are going to laugh at you and maybe someone's going to take a swing at you but you get to use that guy who takes a swing at you as an example of why you're right and you're oppressed right and the people who do come to you
[01:24:04]  Maybe one out of every 5,000 people that you encounter is going to be extreme as fuck, and that's going to be a good recruit.
[01:24:11]  People like the black Israelites, they are operating in a very similar technique.
[01:24:19]  They're using the same strategy.
[01:24:20]  It's that broad net that you're going to lose everybody, but the people you do get are going to be...
[01:24:29]  Soldiers.
[01:24:29]  They're going to be acolytes.
[01:24:30]  And this is different from the 5% Nation?
[01:24:33]  Yes, that's through Islam.
[01:24:34]  Do they get along well?
[01:24:36]  Actually, the 5% Nation...
[01:24:39]  Is an offshoot of Malcolm X's church.
[01:24:42]  Right.
[01:24:43]  That Malcolm X's church wasn't extreme enough for them.
[01:24:47]  So this guy named Clarence 13X, whose nickname is Pudding.
[01:24:51]  I love him.
[01:24:52]  His name is Pudding.
[01:24:52]  I would like him to be my friend.
[01:24:54]  Because his words were so smooth.
[01:24:56]  Is he still alive?
[01:24:57]  No, he is dead.
[01:24:57]  God damn it.
[01:24:58]  But Clarence 13X, who branched off of the Nation of Islam, created the 5% Nation, the Nation of Gods and Earths, wherein his conception is the black man is God.
[01:25:09]  made up of the constituent parts, arm, leg, leg, arm, head, which are Allah, arm, leg, leg, arm, That seems a little too easy, especially since English, but never mind.
[01:25:20]  Sure.
[01:25:21]  Like, he knows they don't spell it that way in...
[01:25:24]  Never mind.
[01:25:24]  He believes that the black man is God, and the black woman is their Earth, so they exist in a sort of mutually...
[01:25:34]  Respectful arrangement where the god rules over the earth and the earth...
[01:25:39]  Sure, of course.
[01:25:39]  It's patriarchal as hell.
[01:25:42]  Also, white people were created in a lab by an evil scientist named Yaku.
[01:25:45]  Again, I still don't disbelieve that.
[01:25:47]  And there's tons of people in pop culture who kind of believe these beliefs, like the Wu-Tang Clan, among other rappers.
[01:25:54]  The Riz has done a lot for me.
[01:25:56]  I don't disagree yet.
[01:25:57]  But one of the interesting things is that the Riz's version of the 5% Nation is almost a reform 5% Nation idea.
[01:26:05]  He takes a lot of the racism out of it, or at least he has in later times.
[01:26:09]  I think if you went back to, like, When 36 Chambers was recorded, it probably...
[01:26:14]  Did he nail 36 theses on the wall?
[01:26:17]  Might have.
[01:26:19]  I might know too much about them.
[01:26:21]  The reason it's called the 5% Nation is because they believe that there are 5% of the population that is aware of the truth and helping wake up the rest of the population.
[01:26:31]  85% of the population is deaf, blind, and dumb.
[01:26:34]  They have no idea what's going on.
[01:26:36]  And then there's 10% that is working against the 5% that are trying to keep the 85 that don't have a clue asleep in their slumber.
[01:26:44]  And the truth that the 5% knows is that the black man is God.
[01:26:48]  Right.
[01:26:49]  But in the more reformed versions of it that the RZA espouses these days, it's not really that important what race you are.
[01:26:58]  It's more a self-empowerment thing.
[01:27:00]  Like the 5% understands that you are a god in your own life.
[01:27:04]  That sort of thing.
[01:27:05]  Now granted there's still some misogyny aspects to it that I'm not comfortable with.
[01:27:08]  That part hasn't been reformed.
[01:27:10]  We're right back into patriarchy here.
[01:27:13]  It's not great.
[01:27:14]  It's interesting.
[01:27:17]  To answer your question in a briefer way, the 5% Nation is an Islamic group as opposed to the black Israelites, which are more sort of the Judeo-Christian line.
[01:27:29]  That's what I was wondering.
[01:27:30]  Do they get along?
[01:27:31]  Do they hang out?
[01:27:32]  They can't get along, right?
[01:27:33]  No, but they do.
[01:27:34]  That's such a bummer.
[01:27:35]  We've got a 5% Israeli-Palestine situation going on.
[01:27:39]  I'm sorry.
[01:27:40]  Absolutely.
[01:27:41]  No, it's all right.
[01:27:41]  And they do share a lot of black nationalist ideas, certainly, which seems like it would be common ground.
[01:27:50]  But from what I understand, and I could be a little bit wrong about this, but from what I understand, they don't see eye to eye.
[01:27:56]  Gotcha.
[01:27:56]  The 5% Nation and the black Israelites aren't cool.
[01:27:59]  Oh, bummer.
[01:28:00]  You guys could have had a great time together.
[01:28:04]  Alex goes on at this point to talk more about how cool these kids were from Covington.
[01:28:10]  The Covington Boys.
[01:28:13]  That was also a great band name, too.
[01:28:15]  I would like that.
[01:28:15]  He says something that, boy, not good.
[01:28:19]  And these kids are so cool.
[01:28:21]  This must be an awesome school.
[01:28:23]  You hate cool people.
[01:28:24]  You want to be a square.
[01:28:25]  They're taking this nicely.
[01:28:25]  Let me tell you something.
[01:28:27]  When I was 14, 15, 16, just the average person in Dallas.
[01:28:30]  I don't care if you're an adult or who you were.
[01:28:32]  We were all polite and nice, but if somebody got in our face and started beating drums on our face or telling us they were going to kick our ass, you'd have a problem.
[01:28:40]  I thought you were a Satanist at that time.
[01:28:42]  I was writing down two of those years at least.
[01:28:46]  You were a Satanist.
[01:28:48]  So shouldn't you condemn that behavior?
[01:28:49]  I don't understand.
[01:28:51]  His whole timeline is fucked.
[01:28:53]  But him saying that this school is awesome and it must be a great school.
[01:28:57]  You can go find pictures of...
[01:29:00]  A bunch of the kids from the school, like at basketball games and blackface.
[01:29:05]  That's great.
[01:29:06]  Yeah.
[01:29:06]  Real cool school.
[01:29:07]  That's part of their tradition?
[01:29:09]  You bet.
[01:29:10]  It's crazy.
[01:29:10]  So Alex is being like, this is a great, it seems like a great school.
[01:29:13]  No, it's not.
[01:29:13]  And there's more indications of this, too.
[01:29:15]  Like, there have been other people who have looked into the, sort of the staff there and talked to other students who go to that school.
[01:29:23]  They've all indicated there's a pretty, there's a pretty problematically...
[01:29:28]  Very, like, singularly white situation.
[01:29:32]  There was an interview with the valedictorian who was gay, who was like, this school is fucked!
[01:29:41]  Yeah.
[01:29:42]  I didn't read that interview, but I believe it.
[01:29:44]  He was a former valedictorian.
[01:29:46]  I mean, I think it was like last year or something.
[01:29:48]  You always are a valedictorian if you are once.
[01:29:51]  That's what I say.
[01:29:52]  That sounds right.
[01:29:53]  Except I didn't graduate college, so...
[01:29:57]  In this next clip, Alex is trying to defend these kids, and what he does is he appeals to a lie that he has built up as a waypoint over the years.
[01:30:06]  And because we've done our work and we've followed Alex, we know this is a lie, and it's fun to see.
[01:30:11]  We had Matthew in Nevada making the point that people are saying, we're going to kill you, go back to Europe, we're going to harvest your organs.
[01:30:18]  The provocateur wasn't doing it, he was just beating the drum in their face, and then had the people with him.
[01:30:22]  So Alex is already, without talking about the specifics of the situation, is admitting that these were the black Israelites who were yelling these things.
[01:30:31]  So the provocateur, though, was this Native American guy with his drum.
[01:30:35]  By necessity.
[01:30:36]  I don't understand how that's the provocateur-ing if what Alex is mad about is these black Israelites who are screaming at the kids, go back to Europe, I'm going to take your organs and shit like that.
[01:30:45]  Yeah, I was going to say, by necessity, the provocateur cannot be the guy.
[01:30:50]  No.
[01:30:50]  It has to be the people screaming at you.
[01:30:52]  The person who's actively trying to diffuse the situation between the two parties that are fighting.
[01:30:57]  He's the mediator.
[01:30:58]  Alex doesn't give a shit.
[01:30:59]  That he led over like the Pied Piper.
[01:31:01]  That's what these provocateurs do.
[01:31:03]  That's what's in the Antifa documents.
[01:31:05]  Which one?
[01:31:06]  It actually says it in the documents.
[01:31:09]  2018, we got them.
[01:31:11]  Which one?
[01:31:12]  It's how they're trying to cause martial law and race riots.
[01:31:15]  And talk about how they're Antifa people.
[01:31:17]  They start the violence.
[01:31:19]  They start the call.
[01:31:20]  They even have drums sometimes.
[01:31:21]  And then they try to trigger the population to get even more violent.
[01:31:24]  They have agreed areas they can target with the police.
[01:31:27]  Certain trash cans.
[01:31:28]  certain businesses that are in on it at a corporate level like Starbucks.
[01:31:31]  I always wonder why they always attack Starbucks.
[01:31:34]  These are the documents that he found on 4chan that are completely fake.
[01:31:41]  These are the contracts that you have to sign.
[01:31:44]  This is complete bullshit.
[01:31:47]  This to me is where the conversation really should stop, but because of the show that we do, it never does.
[01:31:54]  Alex says something like that.
[01:31:58]  And all you have to do is, Alex, where does your narrative go if those aren't real?
[01:32:03]  You haven't proven that they're real.
[01:32:05]  So do you have anything to stand on here if they're not real?
[01:32:09]  Right.
[01:32:09]  No, you don't.
[01:32:11]  All this falls apart.
[01:32:12]  This idea that the guy...
[01:32:15]  His provocateur falls apart.
[01:32:17]  He's even now throwing in that in those documents, like, sometimes I have drums.
[01:32:20]  I wasn't a part of this before.
[01:32:22]  He was using it because it's convenient now.
[01:32:24]  You know that the initial thing was a lie, so you can add a hat to a hat.
[01:32:28]  You can lie on top of a lie.
[01:32:30]  It doesn't matter.
[01:32:31]  Say that there's drums in that document.
[01:32:33]  Who gives a shit?
[01:32:34]  If the Antifa sometimes uses drums, this guy was using a drum.
[01:32:39]  He must be Antifa.
[01:32:40]  That's a logically sound statement.
[01:32:42]  One to one.
[01:32:42]  You love logic.
[01:32:43]  You can clearly confirm that if A uses a drum, then by necessity, if B uses a drum, despite there being no connection between them, they must be the same.
[01:32:54]  The way you do it is some Antifa protesters use drums.
[01:32:59]  This protester used a drum.
[01:33:01]  It's possible that this protester was Antifa.
[01:33:03]  Nope.
[01:33:03]  Confirm.
[01:33:03]  That's the best you could do.
[01:33:04]  It's in the documents.
[01:33:05]  It doesn't work.
[01:33:07]  At this point, towards the end of the show, Alex gets some breaking news, and he's got to go to it because it's important.
[01:33:14]  But this just broke.
[01:33:15]  Caracas is basically falling in Venezuela.
[01:33:18]  The president here has recognized the opposition leader that many experts believe won the last election.
[01:33:24]  That's crazy.
[01:33:26]  So Juan Guido has declared himself the president of Venezuela.
[01:33:31]  That's what's going on.
[01:33:32]  But the president, up to this point, has been Nicolas Maduro.
[01:33:36]  I have no interest in litigating the presidency of Maduro because I sincerely think that it's a side issue.
[01:33:41]  What's going on right now is a coup.
[01:33:44]  And Donald Trump has expressed that he recognizes Gaido as the president of Venezuela and that, quote, all options are on the table in terms of dealing with the situation.
[01:33:54]  This could end up being a very, very serious problem.
[01:33:57]  Because you know who recognizes Maduro still at this point?
[01:34:01]  Russia.
[01:34:02]  China, North Korea, Iran, Turkey, Mexico, and many other countries.
[01:34:06]  There's a ton of oil in Venezuela, so it's not like the world is just going to agree to disagree about who the president of the country is.
[01:34:13]  And this could very seriously blow up into a geopolitical crisis.
[01:34:17]  Now that Maduro has indicated that he's going to cut off relations with the U.S., and he's given notice for diplomats to return.
[01:34:24]  Yeah, they have 72 hours or whatever?
[01:34:26]  Yeah, it's crazy.
[01:34:27]  We're recording this on Wednesday because of our schedules this week, but just before we started recording, there were indications growing that Trump will not withdraw diplomats because the president he recognizes didn't ask him to.
[01:34:39]  This is a recipe for an international incident.
[01:34:42]  Wait, he said he wouldn't withdraw them?
[01:34:43]  There were indications that he was going to make that statement right before we started recording.
[01:34:47]  Holy shit, he's going to get motherfuckers killed.
[01:34:50]  Absolutely.
[01:34:50]  I mean, that could spark, like...
[01:34:53]  An absolute disaster.
[01:34:55]  I don't know what the situation is because for the last hour and a half we've been recording, but as I was following it before this, what you see is the recipe for real fucking trouble.
[01:35:09]  Because it's not an isolated thing.
[01:35:11]  I know how bad Brazil is.
[01:35:14]  The idea that Bolsonaro is in power.
[01:35:16]  That sort of thing.
[01:35:18]  But it doesn't have the same wedge.
[01:35:21]  going on in Venezuela right now does.
[01:35:23]  These are both coups, absolutely, in terms of what...
[01:35:28]  And right in line with how we treat South America and Central America.
[01:35:32]  But this is different, because we have now...
[01:35:36]  Trump and Trudeau in Canada has also said that they recognize Gaido as the president.
[01:35:44]  And so you have these...
[01:35:47]  X group of people who are like, that is the real president of this oil-rich country.
[01:35:52]  No.
[01:35:53]  These other people think Maduro is still the president of this country.
[01:35:58]  What ends up happening is, who does the military support?
[01:36:04]  And then, if they support the side that, oh, I don't know, America doesn't agree with, what does that turn into?
[01:36:15]  It has the potential to be a ridiculous powder keg.
[01:36:18]  It is something of a weird conversation, though, because when you do add in Mexico recognizes Maduro as president, he has received a lot of pushback from that.
[01:36:29]  You know, AMLO, people aren't stoked that he was like, yeah, Maduro's president.
[01:36:35]  Nope.
[01:36:36]  That wasn't a thing that everybody's cool with.
[01:36:38]  No, no, no.
[01:36:38]  So Mexico joining that coalition is one of those...
[01:36:42]  Things where people have very mixed feelings about.
[01:36:45]  And I have mixed feelings, too.
[01:36:48]  We're not sitting here supporting Maduro or anything like that.
[01:36:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:36:51]  Fuck Maduro.
[01:36:52]  But the situation that's happening right now with Juan Guido is nonsensical.
[01:36:58]  It's ludicrous.
[01:36:59]  So Guido has been the leader of the National Assembly.
[01:37:02]  But he did not supposedly win the 2018 election, as Alex is presenting.
[01:37:07]  That's crazy.
[01:37:08]  The candidates in that election were Maduro, Henri Falcón, Javier Bartucci, Reynaldo Quijada, and Luis Alejandro Ratti.
[01:37:19]  If Alex wants to make the argument that Maduro's win was suspicious, fine.
[01:37:23]  Go for it.
[01:37:24]  Because it was.
[01:37:25]  We can have that conversation.
[01:37:27]  Agreed.
[01:37:27]  But to say that Gaido is the rightful winner of that election, and some international organizations believe that, it demonstrates a complete lack of awareness of what's going on, because he wasn't even in that election.
[01:37:37]  That's nuts.
[01:37:38]  I was going to facetiously say, of course he didn't win that election.
[01:37:43]  He didn't even run, because I thought that would be a fun joke.
[01:37:47]  Nope.
[01:37:48]  He didn't even run?
[01:37:50]  Yeah.
[01:37:50]  No.
[01:37:51]  He ran for, like, president of the National Assembly, which is like the legislature.
[01:37:54]  Right, right, right.
[01:37:55]  Great.
[01:37:55]  From what I understand, it's, like, essentially equivalent to, like, Speaker of the House kind of position.
[01:38:01]  So after being sworn in as president of the National Assembly last year, Gaido began encouraging the military and the government to recognize him as the rightful president of the country.

=== Living With Contradictions (15:35) ===

[01:38:12]  It's possible to live in a world where you have severe misgivings about how Maduro runs the country, and at the same time recognize that this is an anti-democratic coup happening right in front of our eyes.
[01:38:23]  I certainly don't know what the right answer is, but I'm fairly certain that it's not immediately recognize the guy who declares himself president as the rightful president of the country.
[01:38:33]  No, that sounds right.
[01:38:34]  I don't think that's the right way to go about it.
[01:38:36]  What they should do is elect to mayor.
[01:38:39]  I think that would be a great idea.
[01:38:40]  He can't run in Brazil anymore.
[01:38:42]  He might as well become president of Venezuela.
[01:38:44]  Sure.
[01:38:44]  That makes perfect sense.
[01:38:46]  Extradite Lula to Venezuela.
[01:38:47]  Let's see what happens.
[01:38:48]  Actually, that would probably work out great.
[01:38:51]  Not in a month.
[01:38:55]  We're laughing, but this is very, very serious.
[01:38:59]  No, this is fucked up.
[01:39:00]  We're all gonna...
[01:39:01]  And the possibility...
[01:39:03]  I'm not trying to predict terrible things to come or anything like that, because I don't like being a doomsday guy or anything like that.
[01:39:09]  But the potential for real serious disagreement among world powers is very possible here.
[01:39:20]  Because Venezuela and their oil resources are a very important piece of not just our world, but everyone else's.
[01:39:27]  So the idea that Russia, China, Iran, Turkey recognize Maduro as the president, and we are starting to say, like, nah, it's Gaido.
[01:39:38]  Where do you think that ends?
[01:39:39]  If only there were previous historical examples of America recognizing somebody as the president who wasn't democratically elected.
[01:39:50]  I mean, can you think of any?
[01:39:52]  None.
[01:39:55]  No, I know, I know.
[01:39:56]  But this is happening in front of our eyes right now.
[01:39:58]  I know.
[01:39:58]  It's weird.
[01:40:00]  Yeah, it's terrifying.
[01:40:01]  So Alex doesn't really do any analysis on that.
[01:40:04]  I can't wait for, like, a week from now for him to be like, I like this guy, no guy.
[01:40:09]  And it's like, hey, man, you hate, like, foreign intervention.
[01:40:14]  You hate regime change.
[01:40:15]  Yep.
[01:40:16]  You hate all of these things.
[01:40:17]  You hate...
[01:40:18]  Anti-democratic processes.
[01:40:20]  Yep.
[01:40:20]  You respect sovereignty of countries.
[01:40:23]  Right.
[01:40:23]  What are you doing?
[01:40:25]  Like, it just...
[01:40:26]  He has no...
[01:40:27]  He's a man adrift.
[01:40:29]  He has no center.
[01:40:30]  Yeah.
[01:40:31]  This is weird.
[01:40:33]  I don't like it.
[01:40:34]  No.
[01:40:34]  It makes me feel really uncomfortable when somebody does it.
[01:40:39]  And this is also true of...
[01:40:42]  To always make it clear.
[01:40:47]  Party affiliation is not important.
[01:40:51]  Not in our country.
[01:40:52]  Not to me or anything like that.
[01:40:54]  So to see so many people just fucking abandon their principles.
[01:40:58]  To watch these so many Democrats too.
[01:41:00]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:41:01]  Because they don't like Maduro getting on board with this.
[01:41:04]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:41:05]  Just because you don't like Maduro doesn't mean that this is the right answer.
[01:41:08]  Right.
[01:41:11]  If you don't have principles, then fucking say it.
[01:41:16]  You know?
[01:41:16]  Like, just say, I don't give a fuck about what it is I pretend to believe, and I will do the expedient thing in order to achieve my short-term goals, which, as we know from all of human history, always works out great.
[01:41:30]  Yeah.
[01:41:31]  Like, I don't know how better to say, go fuck yourself.
[01:41:34]  I mean, yeah, totally.
[01:41:35]  I mean, all the people who are, you know, making those arguments know that it's not going to affect them at all.
[01:41:41]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:41:41]  It's going to affect the people in Venezuela.
[01:41:43]  It's going to affect...
[01:41:45]  The collateral damage that ends up with tons and tons of death there.
[01:41:50]  Yeah.
[01:41:52]  It's dreadfully unacceptable.
[01:41:55]  Which is great, because the Venezuelan people have been doing so well for so long.
[01:41:59]  Sure, and Alex talks about the idea that they're eating dogs all the time and stuff like that.
[01:42:03]  Sure, there's a conversation to be had about Hugo Chavez and Maduro's mismanagement of resources and stuff like that.
[01:42:12]  Absolutely.
[01:42:12]  Then there's also a conversation to be had.
[01:42:18]  We talk about sanctions, or at least our government and media talks about sanctions, and I can't find a moral argument for them.
[01:42:44]  Do you know what I mean?
[01:42:45]  I think, yeah, it's hard.
[01:42:49]  Because ideologically, I think they're right in terms of, you know, if there is, it's sort of like putting someone in timeout.
[01:42:57]  Like, if you look at it just from, like, on paper standpoint.
[01:43:00]  It's not.
[01:43:01]  It's more like putting, it's more like a child, like a parent acting terribly.
[01:43:08]  And putting the child in timeout.
[01:43:10]  Except you're starving the child to death.
[01:43:12]  But that's what I was going to get to in the second part of this.
[01:43:15]  Sorry about that.
[01:43:16]  I apologize for interrupting you.
[01:43:17]  No, it's fine.
[01:43:18]  On paper, it seems like it's a good way to do it.
[01:43:22]  If some country is out of line, then cut off the aid and put sanctions on, freeze accounts and that sort of thing.
[01:43:29]  It seems like that's the right thing to do, but we've had enough time where we've seen that the effect of it doesn't actually hurt the people that you're trying to hurt, which would be the oligarchs, the people who are in power, that sort of thing.
[01:43:42]  It only ends up hurting the people beneath them.
[01:43:44]  So we should know from experience that it doesn't work, though it appears that it would work.
[01:43:51]  Same way that quarantines and closing the borders, it feels like it would work.
[01:43:58]  It seems like a good argument.
[01:43:59]  It makes a logical sense.
[01:44:02]  Yeah, an intuitive sense as opposed to a logical sense.
[01:44:04]  Yeah, it feels like the right thing to do, but we have enough experience, we have enough history to know that it doesn't, and it just hurts the most vulnerable people.
[01:44:13]  So yeah, I agree.
[01:44:14]  I don't know what to do with it.
[01:44:15]  I don't know what the appropriate thing or international protocol should be.
[01:44:21]  I don't know.
[01:44:21]  One of the problems is this is still developing, even as we're recording this, and it'll be another day before this episode is out.
[01:44:28]  So by the time this episode comes out, there'll be things that we're unaware of as we're recording.
[01:44:34]  And so I don't know.
[01:44:36]  The situation will develop and what have you, but the big point is that Alex doesn't understand what's going on.
[01:44:41]  He has no idea.
[01:44:42]  He's commenting in a flippant way, which seems to...
[01:44:47]  It indicates initial support for Gaido.
[01:44:51]  Inasmuch as he's saying that he should have been the rightful winner of the last election.
[01:44:55]  Yeah.
[01:44:55]  And it's a pathetic position for him to be in.
[01:45:00]  He needs to do better.
[01:45:02]  I suppose...
[01:45:02]  He needs to prepare in any way.
[01:45:04]  And I understand this is breaking news.
[01:45:06]  No, absolutely.
[01:45:07]  There's a way to uncritically and just without editorial position to reveal breaking news.
[01:45:14]  So you're in the middle of your show.
[01:45:16]  This news breaks.
[01:45:17]  You say, here's the situation.
[01:45:20]  We'll talk about it a little bit later.
[01:45:22]  Need to get some more details.
[01:45:24]  That sort of thing.
[01:45:25]  That's how you present that.
[01:45:27]  Or, if you're someone who has studied the situation and understands the history of Venezuela, understands what's going on there, you can editorialize a little bit, but Alex is doing neither.
[01:45:40]  It's just bad.
[01:45:41]  I halfway think his prescription for solving the Venezuela crisis...
[01:45:46]  Is for America to take over Mexico City.
[01:45:49]  I mean, that's part of it.
[01:45:50]  Doesn't that sound...
[01:45:51]  Well, Mexico sports Maduro.
[01:45:52]  That's true.
[01:45:53]  Yeah, maybe.
[01:45:54]  So we have one more clip, Jordan.
[01:45:56]  Yeah.
[01:45:56]  So recently there have been a couple posts in our group on Facebook, Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, that are asking...
[01:46:03]  Nice.
[01:46:03]  They're asking us...
[01:46:04]  I did take some Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant this morning, and I am fucked up.
[01:46:08]  You're fucked up.
[01:46:08]  So I wouldn't recommend joining the group at all.
[01:46:10]  Don't do it.
[01:46:12]  There have been a couple posts asking if...
[01:46:15]  Anybody has any idea if Alex knows about our show?
[01:46:19]  And my response to that is always kind of like a, I think he probably does.
[01:46:23]  I think I have some reason to believe that he does.
[01:46:27]  But also, anything that I think, or any evidence that I have that he knows about our show could be explained away by coincidence.
[01:46:34]  Did he hear about us through the Somali pirates?
[01:46:36]  Could be.
[01:46:37]  It could all be coincidence.
[01:46:39]  There's nothing definitive.
[01:46:40]  Right.
[01:46:41]  But...
[01:46:41]  I don't think that you live in a world where there are two people who have been putting out multiple episodes critiquing him for two years.
[01:46:53]  And at least somebody who works at Infowars doesn't know about it.
[01:46:57]  I think that's unrealistic.
[01:46:59]  Especially with his penchance for finding every single specific critic about him that he possibly...
[01:47:05]  Like, somebody wrote a random-ass blog on one of our episodes in the past, and he spent an hour on it.
[01:47:11]  Yeah.
[01:47:12]  But also, that might have been how he used to operate.
[01:47:14]  Maybe he sort of let that go.
[01:47:16]  Always possible.
[01:47:17]  Who knows?
[01:47:17]  There's a lot of possibilities.
[01:47:18]  I can't say definitively either way.
[01:47:20]  But...
[01:47:21]  I think this next clip made me gasp from the Wednesday the 23rd.
[01:47:28]  Because it indicates that if he listens to our show, he listens early in the morning.
[01:47:35]  Like, before he does his show.
[01:47:38]  Okay, on the way to work, he listens to us?
[01:47:40]  Listen to this.
[01:47:41]  I like that.
[01:47:56]  Well, let me tell you who, and I know one of the members of the Who is a big listener.
[01:47:59]  Big one.
[01:48:01]  Sheep no longer.
[01:48:05]  Because I got the answers.
[01:48:07]  Are you sure you're not listening to us?
[01:48:10]  Come on, man!
[01:48:11]  I have not heard him talk about the Who being big listeners, except for that episode that we put out on Wednesday, the morning that he recorded this show.
[01:48:27]  It happens, and again, coincidence.
[01:48:29]  Probably a crazy coincidence.
[01:48:32]  That's crazy.
[01:48:32]  But it's nuts, man.
[01:48:34]  I like living in this fantasy world where he woke up and listened to our show and was like, yeah, who are fans of me?
[01:48:41]  I remember that.
[01:48:45]  God damn it.
[01:48:46]  Are you actually smart?
[01:48:48]  Are you fucking with us?
[01:48:50]  It's not.
[01:48:50]  I need to know!
[01:48:52]  He says that at least one of the members of The Who is a big fan of his show.
[01:48:58]  And I should say, there's only two members of The Who who are still alive.
[01:49:01]  Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend.
[01:49:03]  I was going to say, Keith Moon.
[01:49:06]  Dead.
[01:49:06]  Not a fan.
[01:49:07]  And Whistle.
[01:49:07]  Not a fan.
[01:49:09]  Townsend 100% is not a fan of Alex.
[01:49:12]  In 1974, Pete Townsend said that he was a practicing capitalist, but his ideals were communist.
[01:49:17]  In 2012, he gave an interview where he said, quote, I try to stay away from American politics because I'm a bit of a neocon.
[01:49:24]  I like the idea of America as the world's police force.
[01:49:27]  That's not in line with Alex in any way.
[01:49:30]  Uh-uh.
[01:49:30]  So you could say that he had nascent communist tendencies back in the 70s, and then he grew into a neocon, which is a very regular trajectory for people of that generation.
[01:49:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:49:42]  Talking about my generation.
[01:49:43]  Especially ones who become rich.
[01:49:46]  Yes.
[01:49:46]  That's kind of a big...
[01:49:47]  You bet.
[01:49:48]  But the idea that he would become a self-avowed neocon and express that sort of thing means he's not even close to Alex's worldview.
[01:49:56]  I think that Alex here is just really talking about how Roger Daltrey did an interview where he endorsed Brexit.
[01:50:01]  I think that's what he's going off of.
[01:50:02]  Is that it?
[01:50:03]  Yeah, I think that's what he's going off of.
[01:50:04]  But in the same interview, he critiques Trump and says he has stupid hair and shit like that, so I don't know.
[01:50:09]  Goddammit, Daltrey, get your house in order!
[01:50:11]  But it's got to be Daltrey that Alex is talking about, because it's not Townsend.
[01:50:15]  It is not Townsend.
[01:50:16]  So it's got to be adultery.
[01:50:18]  But I looked for it.
[01:50:19]  I tried to find, like, some indication that, like, where is he close to Alex?
[01:50:22]  And it's legitimately the only thing that I can find is one interview he did where he said, yeah, I'm into Brexit.
[01:50:28]  See, because I could almost see Keith Moon being into Alex.
[01:50:32]  He's dead, though.
[01:50:33]  I know.
[01:50:33]  That's the problem.
[01:50:34]  When did Alex start his show?
[01:50:36]  Because Keith Moon died before that.
[01:50:38]  This one was from literally today.
[01:50:40]  No, no, no.
[01:50:41]  All right, all right.
[01:50:42]  God damn it.
[01:50:42]  He's talking about how one of them is a big fan, not was a big fan.
[01:50:46]  That's true.
[01:50:47]  Because I was trying to think, like, even if it was 20 years ago, Keith Moon has been dead for forever.
[01:50:52]  I think Keith Moon's been dead as long as Alex has been on the radio.
[01:50:55]  Entwistle, I think, died in the 90s, right?
[01:50:58]  When did he?
[01:50:58]  I remember his death.
[01:50:59]  I don't remember when it was, though.
[01:51:00]  I will tell you this.
[01:51:02]  I don't.
[01:51:03]  No?
[01:51:03]  Because, really, Entwistle?
[01:51:05]  Are we even going to count you as a member of the Who?
[01:51:08]  To me, Keith Moon and Pete Townsend are the Who.
[01:51:12]  And Daltrey and Entwistle can go fuck themselves.
[01:51:15]  I understand where you're coming from with that, but you're wrong.
[01:51:19]  Fair.
[01:51:19]  Fair enough.
[01:51:20]  Oh, no.
[01:51:21]  Entwistle died in 2002.
[01:51:23]  Oh, so it could be Entwistle.
[01:51:24]  No, it can't.
[01:51:25]  Because he's talking about it in the present tense.
[01:51:29]  Entwistle died 17 fucking years ago.
[01:51:31]  He faked his death.
[01:51:32]  Could have been.
[01:51:33]  Much like.
[01:51:34]  JFK Jr.
[01:51:36]  Absolutely.
[01:51:36]  Shout out to the Cubanon people.
[01:51:38]  Oh, man.
[01:51:38]  I still can't believe JFK Jr. faked his death.
[01:51:41]  It's crazy.
[01:51:42]  So we reach the end of this episode, and I don't know.
[01:51:45]  I don't think we have any...
[01:51:46]  This is the problem with modern day stuff.
[01:51:49]  What the fuck are we even talking about?
[01:51:50]  I think the only thing you walk away from this is Alex has no ability to talk about things on the fly.
[01:51:56]  Things like a coup in Venezuela.
[01:51:59]  He shows his cards by being so ill-equipped to discuss them.
[01:52:03]  Which is one thing.
[01:52:04]  Which isn't news, but it's good to see.
[01:52:06]  Fun to see.
[01:52:08]  And then, I don't know, you just see him doing exactly what you'd expect him to.
[01:52:11]  And honestly, that's even what you'd expect him to do.
[01:52:14]  Because, like, before he got the news, Trump had already said that he recognizes Gaido.
[01:52:20]  So, like, no matter what happens, like, no matter what his actual beliefs of it is, of course he's going to side with that.
[01:52:26]  You have these kids.
[01:52:26]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:52:27]  You have the kids from Covington.
[01:52:28]  Of course Alex is going to defend them and say that everyone is just race agitators and shit like that.
[01:52:34]  Right.
[01:52:35]  All of it is so nonsensical and pointless, except for the piece where now I think we understand Alex's brain damage.
[01:52:44]  Or at least we understand his brain damage in the present day, which may be different from his brain damage in 2009.
[01:52:52]  Right.
[01:52:53]  Whatever the brain damage he is from being stuck under that house that was being fumigated and stuff like that.
[01:52:58]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:52:58]  Those sorts of things, I mean, who knows?
[01:53:02]  It's too vague to be meaningful.
[01:53:05]  This, I think, is more real.
[01:53:07]  And so I would like it to be a conversation on the Facebook group.
[01:53:10]  If you're there, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
[01:53:13]  Let us know.
[01:53:14]  I want to know what the audience thinks about, does that bring an element into this where it's ugly for us to make fun of him?
[01:53:23]  Because I think it might.
[01:53:25]  I don't know where to land on it.
[01:53:26]  And I do value our listeners' input.

=== Soul Splits and Conflicts (05:17) ===

[01:53:30]  So I wouldn't...
[01:53:32]  I'm not saying that whatever you say I'm going to do, but I would like external input because I feel very conflicted about it.
[01:53:40]  I agree.
[01:53:41]  And also, Alex wasn't a Satanist.
[01:53:43]  Here, different theory.
[01:53:46]  Alex has created seven horcruxes.
[01:53:49]  Alright, now we know that the way to create a Horcrux is to kill, because that splits your soul in part.
[01:53:56]  Okay.
[01:53:57]  According to J.K. Rowling.
[01:53:59]  Just kidding, Rowling.
[01:54:01]  And we know that he is killed in the past!
[01:54:04]  Dogs.
[01:54:06]  Humans.
[01:54:07]  All of these things.
[01:54:08]  So maybe he's just continued to split his soul up too many times until he can't even breathe.
[01:54:15]  Everybody knows that sleep apnea is a direct result of horcruxing.
[01:54:21]  Interesting.
[01:54:22]  That's scientific.
[01:54:23]  I've never read the Harry Potter books, but it's good to know that there was a little bit of sleep apnea subplot in there that I missed out on.
[01:54:31]  I don't know.
[01:54:32]  I would like people's input because I can't do this on my own.
[01:54:36]  I can't really find my moral center.
[01:54:37]  Because if I did, I would say we can't talk about him in the present anymore.
[01:54:41]  I would just say, like, if left to my own devices, that would be the line I take.
[01:54:45]  Yeah.
[01:54:46]  And I don't think that's the right thing to do, but I don't fucking know.
[01:54:49]  And I don't think you know either.
[01:54:50]  I think we...
[01:54:51]  I don't know.
[01:54:52]  Let us know.
[01:54:52]  No, I mean, my moral center is...
[01:54:55]  You're...
[01:54:56]  Expansive.
[01:54:57]  Yeah.
[01:54:58]  You're the person to be like, keep making fun of him, hit him when he's down.
[01:55:02]  That is not true.
[01:55:03]  That is not true, Dan.
[01:55:05]  I don't like to...
[01:55:06]  I don't punch down, man.
[01:55:07]  No, I understand that.
[01:55:08]  And that's the...
[01:55:10]  I mean, the conversation really is, are we punching down?
[01:55:14]  Exactly.
[01:55:15]  And it's hard to know if that's the case.
[01:55:18]  We can see what the expected impairment is from the condition he's describing, and you can see that a lot of it is the part that makes 2019 episodes of Alex Jones worth listening to.
[01:55:31]  The stuff where he freaks out and does stuff that's fucking stupid as shit, that might all just be a consequence of...
[01:55:39]  His brain damage.
[01:55:42]  The rest of the stuff is all boring, rote.
[01:55:47]  Oh, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
[01:55:49]  And that's not a good show for us.
[01:55:51]  If we exclude ourselves from talking about the stuff that is almost clearly a product of his GABA deficiency and glutamine excessiveness, then we put ourselves in a box where present-day episodes...
[01:56:06]  Are unlistenable.
[01:56:07]  You know, but that begs a larger question, which is to what extent does an outsized media influence affect whether or not you're punching down?
[01:56:18]  You know, like, okay, so Sean Hannity has a heart attack tomorrow, and six months from now he's back, right?
[01:56:25]  And you can clearly see that the heart attack has affected him, but he still has 10 million viewers a night, you know?
[01:56:33]  I honestly don't think that that measures into my equation, because where I'm coming from is just a strict human level.
[01:56:40]  Yeah.
[01:56:41]  And maybe it's because, like, I think that a large part of where I'm coming from, my hypersensitivity about this, comes from when I was in college, I had a professor who had had a stroke.
[01:56:52]  And he was unable to do his job.
[01:56:54]  He was not able to give lectures.
[01:56:56]  I remember, yeah.
[01:56:57]  And he'd show videos in class of himself in the, like, mid-80s.
[01:57:02]  And he was just a perfectly articulate guy.
[01:57:05]  Everything was totally fine.
[01:57:06]  And then as he would lecture, it was just he couldn't communicate anymore because of the effect of that stroke.
[01:57:13]  And there were people in that class that would laugh at him and make fun of him as a lecturer.
[01:57:18]  And that always really bothered me.
[01:57:20]  That idea of, like, I get that he's bad at doing his job, which is to give a lecture, because of something that's not his fault.
[01:57:28]  It's an impairment.
[01:57:30]  Yeah.
[01:57:30]  And I was very mad at people who didn't understand that, but at the same time, I was deprived of any meaningful education in class.
[01:57:41]  But I look at Alex in the same way now.
[01:57:45]  I look at this, like, in the past, whenever we've talked about these hypothetical brain damage type things, they haven't been as concrete as this.
[01:57:53]  Like, the idea that he's expressing that he has to sleep sitting up and that CPAP machines don't work for whatever he has, and he needs surgery for his thick-ass neck.
[01:58:03]  I mean...
[01:58:05]  That is what leads to the condition he's manifesting.
[01:58:10]  I don't know.
[01:58:12]  We're not going to be able to parse this out.
[01:58:14]  We shouldn't even bother.
[01:58:15]  We're going to talk in circles forever.
[01:58:18]  It's going to come back and there's going to be moral relativism and it's going to be a whole massive thing.
[01:58:23]  Moral relativism is fine.
[01:58:25]  I think that we're just going to keep expressing that we don't know.
[01:58:28]  It's just going to keep coming back to...

=== Buttons and Beyond (02:16) ===

[01:58:31]  Who knows?
[01:58:35]  Sound off.
[01:58:35]  Let us know what you think.
[01:58:37]  I value your input, and we'll see how the future progresses.
[01:58:41]  But until then, we'll be back next week.
[01:58:45]  Yes, we will.
[01:58:46]  But until then, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
[01:58:49]  Indeed.
[01:58:49]  Also, fillyourhand.com.
[01:58:51]  Also, alexjonesshow.us.
[01:58:53]  If you go to any one of those, I'll tell you, I went there this morning, and I am fucked up.
[01:58:58]  I can't even handle it.
[01:59:01]  Natural reaction?
[01:59:02]  Yep.
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[01:59:05]  I love our Twitter account.
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[01:59:13]  Yeah, we have a brand.
[01:59:14]  Oh, goddammit, our real apps are too obvious.
[01:59:16]  We have a brand.
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[01:59:24]  That's correct.
[01:59:25]  Also, I should say, maybe it's time to do this again.
[01:59:28]  It's been a while.
[01:59:29]  But if you are listening and you'd like a button...
[01:59:32]  Please email knowledgefight at gmail.com and send your address, and we will send you some buttons.
[01:59:39]  I'm going to be honest, we are almost out of buttons.
[01:59:42]  Well, there's a couple buttons left for y 'all to grab.
[01:59:44]  If you want a button, maybe we'll be able to get you on.
[01:59:46]  Yeah, I know.
[01:59:47]  It's unfortunate, but I've also been selling buttons after shows, so I'm...
[01:59:53]  Well, there's a button machine in your house.
[01:59:56]  Finite and no!
[01:59:57]  Why don't you put in a little legwork and make a few more fucking buttons?
[02:00:00]  It's not my button.
[02:00:01]  Your girlfriend will let you use that button machine.
[02:00:05]  That would be rude to presume upon her.
[02:00:07]  Holy shit.
[02:00:09]  Anyway.
[02:00:10]  All right.
[02:00:11]  Look, we've made it to the end of this.
[02:00:14]  Roger Daltrey, it seems like he's into Brexit, and I'm not thrilled with that.
[02:00:19]  But I bet he hasn't killed anybody.
[02:00:21]  I don't know if that's true.
[02:00:21]  You just think that of everybody who's ever lived a fun rock star life.
[02:00:25]  You think that they've probably killed somebody.
[02:00:27]  I don't know.
[02:00:28]  What's the point of living?
[02:00:30]  I've never heard any evidence that Roger Daltrey has killed somebody.
[02:00:33]  But one guy that I've heard some evidence that he has technically probably killed a dude.
[02:00:38]  Oh, yeah?
[02:00:38]  That's Alex Jones.
[02:00:39]  Oh, no.
[02:00:40]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[02:00:42]  Thanks for holding.
[02:00:44]  Hello, Alex.
[02:00:45]  I'm a first-time caller.
[02:00:46]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:00:47]  I love your work.