Knowledge Fight - #253: January 15, 2019
Aired: 2019-01-17
Duration: 01:23:15


=== Marty DeRosa's Sex Toy Adventures (05:55) ===

[00:00:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:01]  Thanks for holding.
[00:00:04]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[00:00:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:06]  I love your work.
[00:00:07]  I love you.
[00:00:07]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:08]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:09]  I'm Dan.
[00:00:09]  I'm Jordan.
[00:00:10]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:00:15]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:00:16]  Hi.
[00:00:17]  Dan!
[00:00:17]  Jordan.
[00:00:18]  Have you ever bought a sex toy?
[00:00:20]  Yeah, no, I guess I didn't buy it.
[00:00:22]  A friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, one time.
[00:00:25]  A friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, has spent a lot of time in sex toy shops.
[00:00:29]  He bought me a Fleshlight on our way back from doing a week of shows in Cleveland.
[00:00:33]  Ooh, boy.
[00:00:34]  We did a week in Cleveland.
[00:00:35]  As like an apology?
[00:00:36]  Yeah, because I didn't really get paid for the shows and stuff.
[00:00:40]  I was just sort of along for the fun and the ride.
[00:00:42]  And on the way back, we went through, I think we went through Indiana, and the Lion's Den is there.
[00:00:50]  65, baby.
[00:00:52]  And so we went in, and Marty was thinking about getting a flashlight, and I'm like, I can't afford this.
[00:00:56]  I can't afford this.
[00:00:58]  This is just too much.
[00:00:59]  That was your response to that?
[00:01:02]  Not like, I don't want a flashlight?
[00:01:04]  I was curious at the time.
[00:01:05]  I was a younger man.
[00:01:06]  Okay, fair, fair.
[00:01:07]  And so I was like, well, you know, I think it would be fun, whatever.
[00:01:11]  I never really dabbled in that world, and so I was looking at the cheaper ones, the real shitty.
[00:01:18]  Fleshlight knockoff type things.
[00:01:21]  Fleshlights, if you will.
[00:01:22]  When Marty was going to the checkout and what have you, he saw me sadly looking at these low-rent sex toys.
[00:01:30]  And he's like, you know what?
[00:01:32]  Make it around.
[00:01:35]  That's the kind of friend Marty DeRosa is.
[00:01:37]  That's the best.
[00:01:38]  He's told this story a number of times, so I don't mind putting his business in the streets.
[00:01:42]  Love you, Marty.
[00:01:43]  I had that flashlight for a little while, and it wears out its novelty.
[00:01:49]  Yeah.
[00:01:49]  The excitement of, you know, the first time around or whatever is great, but then over time it becomes a hassle.
[00:01:59]  You gotta clean it.
[00:02:00]  You gotta do the whole thing.
[00:02:02]  One time I...
[00:02:03]  Rory Scoville has the best bit about the fleshlight.
[00:02:06]  I'm sure I would just end up paraphrasing it with my own complaints if I tried to, so I will leave it at that.
[00:02:11]  One thing that does not wear out its excitement for me...
[00:02:14]  That's a great transition.
[00:02:15]  Thank you.
[00:02:16]  It's my feelings...
[00:02:17]  You are gonna have to wash it, though.
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[00:03:55]  We're probably about two weeks behind on that, so they are coming.
[00:04:00]  But we can't spend the entire beginning of the show, you know, we can't spend like ten minutes doing this or else we get into trouble.
[00:04:09]  So, Jordan, today we have got...
[00:04:11]  Oh, first of all, sorry about the weird schedule this week as opposed to Monday, Wednesday, Friday doing Tuesday, Thursday episodes.
[00:04:17]  Things were a little bit hectic and I just couldn't keep up, quite frankly.
[00:04:23]  I'll take this one.
[00:04:24]  I'll take it.
[00:04:25]  I'll own it.
[00:04:26]  You know, it is just a matter of...
[00:04:28]  There's a lot to do, especially with our last episode with all the Soros business and stuff like that.
[00:04:34]  Sometimes it's just the workload's too much.
[00:04:36]  So Tuesday, Thursday this week, we're back to normal next week.
[00:04:39]  Absolutely.
[00:04:39]  I don't think anyone's mad about it, and I'm not...
[00:04:41]  I'm not defensive about it.
[00:04:43]  You're a little defensive.
[00:04:44]  No, not really.
[00:04:45]  I know it may seem like it, but I'm not.
[00:04:47]  I just want to give a little bit of explanation for people.
[00:04:49]  So today, Jordan, we are going to be going over a modern day episode.
[00:04:53]  We're going to be going over the 15th of January 2019.
[00:04:57]  In the year of our Lord?
[00:05:00]  That's correct.
[00:05:00]  I'm still writing June on my checks.
[00:05:02]  That's correct.
[00:05:03]  You've got to get out of that habit.
[00:05:05]  And so that would be Tuesday's episode.
[00:05:08]  And I chose that because...
[00:05:10]  Alex has had this big news broke recently.
[00:05:13]  I'm sure you heard something about this.
[00:05:15]  And that is that he lost a little legal situation wherein the Sandy Hook families who are suing him will be able to get in discovery some of his financial documents and internal memos.
[00:05:28]  Yes.
[00:05:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:05:29]  There's this legal situation and everybody is bringing it up to me and I wanted to be able to address it by covering whatever Alex is talking about about it.
[00:05:38]  But because it's something negative and Alex...

=== Out-Of-Context Drops (15:29) ===

[00:05:42]  So, I listened to Monday, and a lot of it is just complaining about that Gillette commercial, and that's a zero for me.
[00:05:50]  That's a non-starter.
[00:05:52]  Not interested in that sort of stuff.
[00:05:55]  Nope.
[00:05:55]  Not really caring so much.
[00:05:57]  Yep.
[00:05:58]  And so we're not going to go over that episode, but Tuesday the 15th, there was a bit more stuff that actually interested me, and I think Merit's talking about, and so we will.
[00:06:08]  And here is an out-of-context drop from today's show.
[00:06:11]  Oh, it's well known.
[00:06:12]  Trump likes tacos, and Obama likes winners.
[00:06:16]  Ha-ha!
[00:06:16]  Get it?
[00:06:17]  Get it?
[00:06:22]  Nope.
[00:06:23]  Alex likes to have fun.
[00:06:25]  Refuse.
[00:06:25]  Yeah.
[00:06:26]  Refuse.
[00:06:27]  I blanket refuse that.
[00:06:29]  That's ironic, too, because that's a piece of his conversation that he's having where he's defending Trump getting all those hamburgers for the football team, the Clemson football team.
[00:06:38]  Right, right, right.
[00:06:39]  And he brings up tacos.
[00:06:41]  He got hamburgers because he likes pussy.
[00:06:43]  Get it?
[00:06:43]  And Obama got food because he likes dicks.
[00:06:47]  Get it?
[00:06:47]  I don't know.
[00:06:48]  So anyway, we will start the show with what is Alex's main narrative on the show.
[00:06:53]  Yes.
[00:06:54]  And it should not surprise anyone to hear any of this sort of nonsense.
[00:06:58]  A really important story that illustrates why we can't take this country back.
[00:07:04]  The GOP has thrown Representative King overboard, Steve King.
[00:07:13]  With an out-of-context quote from the New York Times who's famous for lying.
[00:07:21]  The New York Times is a criminal, anti-American, vicious lie factory.
[00:07:27]  He's put a letter out.
[00:07:30]  He said that they removed words out of what he said.
[00:07:34]  Which one?
[00:07:35]  It's clear what he was saying.
[00:07:36]  And none of the media will even pick it up.
[00:07:39]  It is super clear what he said.
[00:07:43]  Steve King says he isn't a white supremacist, but he stands by his quote that white supremacists are good.
[00:07:49]  When he's got a public statement out for the last day and a statement the day before that saying it's not true.
[00:07:55]  I have experienced the New York Times.
[00:07:58]  They are a ship of devils.
[00:08:02]  So you can kind of see there at the end that a lot of the energy that's driving this is probably about Alex's own personal beef with the New York Times.
[00:08:09]  No!
[00:08:10]  But I think it's kind of interesting.
[00:08:12]  I admit that I haven't listened to every episode of his show in the present day, as I do whenever I go back to the past.
[00:08:19]  But I don't remember him talking that much about Steve King.
[00:08:24]  Oh, I wonder why.
[00:08:25]  And it surprises me not to hear him defend Steve King, but that it surprises me to hear it.
[00:08:32]  If that makes sense?
[00:08:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:33]  I see what you're saying.
[00:08:34]  It's kind of like, oh, I haven't heard you talk much about that guy.
[00:08:36]  That's what's surprising.
[00:08:37]  I would have expected him to always be talking about him.
[00:08:40]  Of course you defend Steve King.
[00:08:42]  That's obvious.
[00:08:43]  But that you do it publicly is a bad move for you.
[00:08:47]  Not even the public part.
[00:08:49]  It's that it's not so common in my memory.
[00:08:52]  That it strikes a novel chord.
[00:08:55]  No, because this is the first time Steve King has said anything that would associate him with the white nationalist movement.
[00:09:02]  But that's only because the New York Times is taking the context out of this quote and putting him in that box.
[00:09:09]  Right!
[00:09:10]  He's never...
[00:09:11]  Been a white supremacist or white nationalist.
[00:09:13]  That's why Alex didn't need to talk about him, because he's never been attacked for being a white nationalist or white supremacist before, because Dan, of course, he has never said anything.
[00:09:22]  No, he hasn't.
[00:09:23]  And Alex is going to make that point super clear in this next clip.
[00:09:27]  But here's the issue.
[00:09:30]  Then to bolster it, the New York Times gives a history of his white supremacist attitude.
[00:09:36]  Supremacist.
[00:09:37]  And when you read the quotes...
[00:09:41]  He talks about illegal aliens having double the crime rate.
[00:09:45]  Okay?
[00:09:46]  Uh-oh.
[00:09:47]  He says we should be proud of the accomplishments of Western civilization.
[00:09:50]  Absolutely.
[00:09:51]  Aren't the Chinese proud of themselves?
[00:09:53]  Aren't the Japanese proud of themselves?
[00:09:55]  Not the same thing.
[00:09:58]  It's just a Rosetta Stone into everything.
[00:10:02]  How they lie.
[00:10:03]  How they manipulate.
[00:10:05]  And how the weak-kneed, chicken-necked Republicans.
[00:10:12]  Desperate to curry favor with the left and race-based leftist constituents threw him overboard.
[00:10:20]  So he's mad.
[00:10:21]  Alex is pretty mad about this.
[00:10:23]  So I want to address one thing really quick.
[00:10:26]  The GOP, by taking Steve King off of these committees, that's not turning on Steve King because they disagree with his positions or anything like that.
[00:10:35]  The only reason they've stripped him of his committee seats is because Randy Feenstra, the chairman of the Iowa State Senate Ways and Means Committee, had just announced his candidacy to run against King in the 2020 primary.
[00:10:46]  If they didn't have a very viable replacement waiting in the wings, they would still be dragging their feet and pretending he was just outspoken like they have for years.
[00:10:54]  Oh, come on!
[00:10:56]  Because they have a primary challenger who looks like he can go the distance.
[00:10:59]  The GOP is finally taking a stance against white supremacists, Dan.
[00:11:03]  That is why they...
[00:11:04]  They have gotten rid of 98% of their constituents.
[00:11:08]  There's a second reason, too, and that is because for years, Steve King served as sort of an extremist in terms of immigration policy and that sort of thing.
[00:11:19]  Politicians who wanted to curry favor with that side of the Republican Party could associate themselves with him in a way that I've seen a couple of reporters describe as like he was a kingmaker of like right-wing immigration stuff.
[00:11:33]  Really?
[00:11:34]  But now he isn't that anymore.
[00:11:36]  Trump is.
[00:11:37]  So he doesn't even serve that function.
[00:11:40]  For the right wing anymore, so he's as useless as he can be, and he's just a liability.
[00:11:45]  That's a good point.
[00:11:46]  Yeah, so those two things together, the primary candidate that can unseat him successfully without the baggage, and the fact that he doesn't serve what role he used to serve, make him useless.
[00:11:56]  So of course they're going to throw him away now.
[00:11:57]  It has nothing to do with his white supremacy, the comments that he's making.
[00:12:01]  Nope, the GOP is taking a stand.
[00:12:02]  It has nothing to do with this article, even.
[00:12:04]  They would have just ignored this, as they have for years.
[00:12:08]  So Steve King has always been on some bullshit, but this current example that he's going through right now is nothing new.
[00:12:14]  Him questioning why white supremacy is considered a bad thing, then claiming that the New York Times made up the quote, that also isn't a new trick for him to pull.
[00:12:23]  Back in November 2018, the Weekly Standard reported that while speaking with potential voters at a restaurant at a campaign stop, Steve King compared immigrants to dirt.
[00:12:33]  He was talking about how some local jalapenos were grown in Mexican dirt, to which the conversation turned from literal dirt to how there's metaphorically a lot of dirt on the way to America from Mexico.
[00:13:04]  They released the tape and it said exactly what they had claimed and showed King clearly calling immigrants and asylum seekers dirt.
[00:13:11]  So when he tries to play the same gambit again with the New York Times, I don't feel like I have much interest in giving him the benefit of the doubt.
[00:13:18]  Is it possible that Steve King is such an out-of-touch bigot and white supremacist that he doesn't realize how overt the things he says are until someone else reports on his comments?
[00:13:28]  Yes.
[00:13:28]  That might be the case.
[00:13:29]  I don't care.
[00:13:30]  Because the evidence that Steve King is a real fucked up racist asshole go far deeper than not liking illegal immigration and being quote unquote proud of the West, as Alex is asserting.
[00:13:40]  I had a weird conversation with Steve King one time.
[00:13:43]  You mean the comic who's now writing for SNL?
[00:13:46]  He has a...
[00:13:47]  Steve Castillo?
[00:13:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:50]  No, no, no.
[00:13:50]  He was trying to explain to me that it's the hard ER that's the issue.
[00:13:55]  And so that's why he can throw around the N-word all the time.
[00:13:58]  And he's not a racist.
[00:13:59]  You know how those conversations go?
[00:14:01]  I've heard those, yeah.
[00:14:03]  I've heard a lot of those doing comedy over the years.
[00:14:05]  That's why white people...
[00:14:07]  So, Steve King served on the Iowa State Senate from 1996 to 2002, then made the jump to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2003, where he has been ever since.
[00:14:17]  Over that span of time, Representative King has said some real intensely stupid and bigoted things, and here are some of them.
[00:14:24]  Oh, also, did you know that until at least 2016, Steve King had a Confederate flag on his office desk?
[00:14:30]  Let me remind you that he's a representative for Iowa.
[00:14:33]  Which was in the Union during the Civil War.
[00:14:35]  That is absolutely not a reflection of Southern pride or whatever the fuck people like to say.
[00:14:39]  That's a message.
[00:14:41]  King would go on to remove the flag from his desk after Scott Michael Green murdered two Iowa police officers in an ambush-style killing in 2017.
[00:14:49]  Footage was found of Green being asked by other police officers to leave the Urbandale High School football game he was attending after he started waving a Confederate flag around a group of black students.
[00:15:00]  Oh, that's...
[00:15:01]  Oh, come on.
[00:15:01]  Come on.
[00:15:02]  Oh, come on.
[00:15:03]  Interestingly, after Dylann Roof murdered nine churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, because of his racist ideology, and everybody started talking about how it's fucked up that Confederate flags are flown at state houses, King gave a speech in support of the Confederate flag, calling it a symbol of heroism.
[00:15:20]  I regret deeply that we're watching this country be divided again over a symbol.
[00:15:25]  Again!
[00:15:27]  He represents Iowa.
[00:15:32]  We're divided over a symbol.
[00:15:34]  The first time we were divided over a different thing, it wasn't a symbol.
[00:15:38]  No, different thing.
[00:15:38]  I think it's still the same thing that we're kind of divided about right now.
[00:15:42]  We're just pretending it's a symbol.
[00:15:44]  And again, Iowa.
[00:15:46]  Not like it would be better if he was from the South, like one of the actual Confederate states.
[00:15:51]  At least it would make more sense.
[00:15:52]  The argument of Southern pride and that sort of thing would make way more sense than to be doing this as the representative for a Union state.
[00:16:02]  I don't know, though.
[00:16:03]  Anyway, in September 2016, he went on a little jag condemning black people for having abortions because they listened to people in the Congressional Black Caucus, saying, quote, they chose to have a Congressional Black Caucus.
[00:16:14]  They chose to have an abortion.
[00:16:16]  I would give you even money that a vast majority of mothers who say they can't afford an abortion have an iPhone, which costs money.
[00:16:22]  I mean, that's a cool comment.
[00:16:25]  Oh, man.
[00:16:26]  Hey, how about welfare queens, Dan?
[00:16:29]  How about them welfare queens?
[00:16:31]  I bet they're all different races.
[00:16:34]  I bet they're not a dog-whistly term at all.
[00:16:36]  It does feel a little bit subtle there.
[00:16:38]  We're easing our way into this.
[00:16:39]  Although I guess the Confederate flag on the desk as a representative of Iowa is pretty harsh right out of the gate.
[00:16:44]  That does...
[00:16:47]  That's a literal red flag, Dan.
[00:16:49]  Yeah.
[00:16:49]  Then, of course, there was the time in 2018 when he went to Austria to meet with members of Austria's Freedom Party, a political party that was founded by Anton Reinhaller, a literal member of the Nazi SS.
[00:17:00]  When asked about it, he very presently said of the group, quote, if they were in America pushing the platform they push, they would be Republicans.
[00:17:08]  No argument.
[00:17:09]  Uh, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:10]  You're dead on.
[00:17:10]  Yeah.
[00:17:11]  That's...
[00:17:13]  That doesn't mean what you think it means, Steve King.
[00:17:15]  Or maybe it does.
[00:17:16]  It probably does.
[00:17:17]  Of course, this was after he endorsed Faith Goldie's campaign for the mayorship of Toronto, after she had appeared on a podcast run by the Daily Stormer and repeated the 14 words of white supremacy.
[00:17:27]  It should surprise no one that he supported Faith Goldie, as King himself tweeted a paraphrasing of the 14 words, saying, quote, We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.
[00:17:38]  That tweet, by the way, was retweeted by David Duke, who in all caps said, Thank God for Steve King.
[00:17:44]  Hashtag Truth Rising.
[00:17:48]  This guy has never been a white supremacist.
[00:17:50]  No, no, no, no.
[00:17:50]  This whole New York Times interview is a first, which I assume is why the GOP is reacting so out of control right now, because he's never been a white supremacist before.
[00:18:00]  In a July 2016 appearance on MSNBC right around the Republican National Convention time, Steve King extolled the virtues of white people, saying, quote, I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about.
[00:18:16]  Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?
[00:18:21]  He was later called on it and gave a whoops kind of apology, saying that he'd meant Western civilization instead of white people, which is really just a perfect example of giving up the game.
[00:18:30]  You're kind of just telling people what your dog whistles are at that point.
[00:18:35]  Oh, no.
[00:18:36]  When I said white.
[00:18:37]  I meant to speak in code.
[00:18:38]  I accidentally said what I meant.
[00:18:40]  Sorry.
[00:18:40]  I meant to say Western, which means white, but I instead said white when I meant to say, you know, what an asshole.
[00:18:49]  In July 2013, he did an interview with Newsmax, where he said of immigrants, quote, for every young undocumented immigrant who's a valedictorian, there's another hundred out there who weigh 130 pounds, and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.
[00:19:06]  Cool, bro.
[00:19:07]  Steve King won his first election in 2002 by whipping up nativist energy with his proposed bill to make English the official language of Iowa, which again is...
[00:19:16]  why?
[00:19:18]  That would be my response.
[00:19:20]  Why?
[00:19:22]  I don't know why that's an important issue, unless you're just trying to wedge people a little bit and drum up insecurities and fears about the other.
[00:19:30]  It was weird when he...
[00:19:33]  Floated that bill to make the Iowa City official sister city Berlin, but only in 1939.
[00:19:41]  Very strange proposal.
[00:19:42]  It was a strange proposal.
[00:19:44]  Popular with a certain subsection.
[00:19:45]  Doesn't want to be sister cities with Berlin now.
[00:19:48]  No, no, no, no.
[00:19:48]  More like 1939.
[00:19:49]  Full of globalists.
[00:19:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:51]  In 2006, he publicly declared that every day 12 Americans are killed by, quote, murderous illegal aliens and 13 more are killed by, quote, drunk driving illegals.
[00:20:00]  He was just making up statistics, but the rhetoric stuck, and you can hear the same talking point repeated all through conservative propaganda media.
[00:20:07]  I've definitely heard this exact line come out of Alex's mouth at least a dozen times.
[00:20:12]  In November 2009, he skipped his son Mick's wedding to cast a pointless vote against the Affordable Care Act.
[00:20:18]  That one might be less a point about his racism, more just a point about him being a piece of shit.
[00:20:24]  Families are tough, man.
[00:20:25]  Yeah.
[00:20:26]  I get it.
[00:20:27]  In June 2018, he told Breitbart that he didn't want Muslims working in meat factories, saying, quote, I don't want people doing that with my pork that won't eat it.
[00:20:47]  Let alone hope they go to hell for eating pork chops.
[00:20:50]  Convoluted as fuck.
[00:20:51]  I don't understand that reasoning at all.

=== I Hate to See Our Country Divided (02:41) ===

[00:20:54]  I think what he's trying to express is he's worried that Muslims will taint the pork because they know that other Muslims aren't eating it.
[00:21:01]  Or something like that.
[00:21:02]  I think that's what he's trying to express.
[00:21:04]  Right.
[00:21:04]  That would be the logical thing.
[00:21:07]  Because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
[00:21:09]  If you're just saying they're working there and they won't eat it, so fucking what?
[00:21:14]  I think he's couching it in terms of, like, I'm being culturally sensitive to them.
[00:21:20]  No, no, no, no, no.
[00:21:20]  Because he's saying, you know, so as long as they're preparing this pork for infidels, it helps send them to hell and must make Allah happy.
[00:21:29]  Infidels are sent to hell.
[00:21:30]  Yeah, and it must make Allah happy, which is implying that you're going to taint the meat somehow.
[00:21:35]  So, even if you're not tainting the meat.
[00:21:38]  Even if his scary Muslims aren't tating the meat, what he's saying is that Muslims are joyfully preparing meat for white folk in order to ensure that by their religious code, white people go to hell.
[00:21:54]  I don't see a problem with that part.
[00:21:56]  I mean, if that were what he's talking about, like the idea that they're doing a great job because they know when people eat it.
[00:22:03]  Their enemies will go to hell.
[00:22:05]  Then you get great pork, I guess.
[00:22:07]  I want the best pork to send my enemies to hell.
[00:22:10]  It heavily implies that he thinks that they're going to take the meat.
[00:22:13]  Yeah, of course.
[00:22:13]  That's a real...
[00:22:15]  Pretty fucked up sort of way to look at things.
[00:22:17]  So that same month, in June 2018, King retweeted avowed European neo-Nazi Mark Collette's tweet when he posted a Breitbart article and editorialized that, quote, 65% of Italians under the age of 35 now oppose mass immigration.
[00:22:31]  Europe is waking up.
[00:22:33]  King retweeted that, saying, quote, Europe is waking up.
[00:22:36]  Will America in time?
[00:22:40]  I hate to see our country divided like this, Dan, over a symbol.
[00:22:44]  I hate to see our country divided.
[00:22:46]  I hate to see it.
[00:22:46]  Oh, it's awful.
[00:22:47]  In 2004, when the abuses of prisoners at Abu Ghraib Prison were revealed, he said that they amounted to basically just hazing.
[00:22:54]  Oh!
[00:22:56]  Okay.
[00:22:56]  So he and Alex are on the same page on that one.
[00:22:58]  Well, hey, what are you going to do?
[00:22:59]  Hey, you know how...
[00:23:00]  I say that facetiously.
[00:23:01]  Alex was very against the torture.
[00:23:03]  That is...
[00:23:04]  At the time.
[00:23:05]  At the time, yeah.
[00:23:06]  Good point.
[00:23:07]  Through the years, King's been a supporter of all the far-right foreign politicians that Alex also loves.
[00:23:12]  We've seen Steve King strongly support Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and Viktor Orban.
[00:23:17]  And what do you know?
[00:23:18]  When he was being interviewed by those Austrian Nazi descendants I mentioned, he advocated the position that Soros was behind the Great Replacement, the theory of white Westerners being replaced culturally and demographically by immigrants.

=== Unfair Talking Points (13:15) ===

[00:23:30]  So, this guy's a piece of shit, and he has been for his entire career.
[00:23:35]  That's kind of the point.
[00:23:37]  But, Steve King has not existed in a bubble.
[00:23:39]  His story is an interesting story that is very demonstrative of the deterioration of the conservative body politic in this country.
[00:23:46]  And in order to understand a little more about how that's the case, it's important to follow the money.
[00:23:51]  If you look at the information that's public about Steve King and who's donating to him, you see an interesting picture.
[00:23:57]  No, no, no, that's good.
[00:24:14]  It doesn't make me feel great.
[00:24:15]  No, it's good.
[00:24:16]  He also got $10,000 from the John Bolton Political Action Committee, which seems suspicious, but I don't know what to make of also.
[00:24:23]  But, if you look at his past fundraising, you also see a very interesting trend, namely that his numbers are pretty normal for most years, then take a massive spike in the 2012 election.
[00:24:33]  He goes from $1.02 million raised in the 2010 cycle to $3.8 million just two years later.
[00:24:41]  A lot of that money, over 250,000 of it, came from an organization called Club for Growth, which sounds like a really fun, nice name for an organization.
[00:24:50]  In reality, the group is a far-right fundraising outfit whose activities went into overdrive in 2012 as they funneled at least $10 million to then-governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker, both to oppose his recall vote and support his initiative to strip collective bargaining protections and cripple unions.
[00:25:08]  You misunderstand their name.
[00:25:10]  Their name, you think it means a collection of people who are pro-growth.
[00:25:14]  What it is, is a literal cudgel that is for the growth of the white nationalist system.
[00:25:21]  Or to beat back growth.
[00:25:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:23]  That sort of thing.
[00:25:24]  Peter Thiel is their biggest donor.
[00:25:27]  Not so if...
[00:25:28]  Hey!
[00:25:29]  That might be of interest.
[00:25:30]  Hey!
[00:25:31]  What's not so of interest is in 2012, they were the recipient of tons of money from Koch Network funds, like Freedom Partners.
[00:25:38]  The NRA gave Steve King $11,300 and the Family Research Council and Koch Industries chipped in $10,000 each, along with tons of other suspiciously named political action committees that clearly aren't fronts.
[00:25:51]  Whites for white growth was actually very...
[00:25:56]  There's a huge push in the 2012 election to retain what gains had been made in the previous four years by the weirdo Tea Party wing of the Republican Party, and to not succumb to dwindling support and enthusiasm.
[00:26:07]  That definitely was happening at that point.
[00:26:09]  Part of this was a massive cash infusion in the coffers of various people who were carrying the banner of what the people funding the Tea Party were into, and Steve King was absolutely one of the main figures.
[00:26:21]  Based on that swelling of his money, it's really hard to think that that's not the case.
[00:26:28]  The Tea Party was about small government, Dan.
[00:26:30]  It had no reaction to a black president.
[00:26:33]  I can't see why Steve King would be...
[00:26:35]  That's just a coincidence.
[00:26:37]  But this is the thing.
[00:26:38]  You see that exact same pattern when you look into the money going into other Tea Party candidates.
[00:26:43]  Louie Gohmert is a bit of an exception because he was a Republican running in Texas, so his race was pretty much a sure thing.
[00:26:49]  But Michelle Bachman is another great case.
[00:26:51]  She raised just under $3.5 million in the 2008 election.
[00:26:55]  Then that number skyrocketed to $13.5 million in 2010 and $15 million in 2012.
[00:27:01]  Who's Michelle Bachman's top donor throughout her career?
[00:27:04]  You guessed it, the Club for Growth.
[00:27:06]  Who's Ted Cruz's all-time top donor?
[00:27:09]  The Club for Growth.
[00:27:10]  Who's Rand Paul's career-spanning top donor?
[00:27:12]  The Club for Growth.
[00:27:13]  with over $100,000 of the total he's received from them coming in the 2012 cycle.
[00:27:18]  There is a concerted effort on the part of very rich conservative interests to shift the politics of the right to a more extreme version of conservatism in the 2012 election cycle and before, but that was crunch time.
[00:27:30]  That's not news.
[00:27:32]  It's not even news to say that Steve King was a big part of that.
[00:27:35]  But it's important for our purposes, because it demonstrates the sort of thing that they were interested in being part of that shift.
[00:27:41]  The fact that an outright white supremacist was among their top guys should tell you everything that you need to know about what they wanted the Overton window to move towards at that time.
[00:27:52]  Yeah, when you said the, what was it?
[00:27:55]  What was the word you used?
[00:27:56]  I suppose it wasn't disintegration, it was descendant, or descendants into...
[00:28:05]  Deterioration?
[00:28:06]  Deterioration, that was right.
[00:28:08]  I would view that more as the apotheosis of what the Republican Party has wanted to be.
[00:28:15]  So I agree with you, but I think we're talking about the same thing, just looking at it from different angles.
[00:28:20]  Liz Mayer, a former Republican National Committee spokesperson.
[00:28:24]  Described what Steve King has done for the Republican Party perfectly.
[00:28:28]  Quote, Very, very few grassroots conservatives or elected Republicans actually agree with him on immigration policy.
[00:28:34]  However, he enables elected Republicans who are more restrictionist or otherwise hardline to strike a pose that reads as moderate.
[00:28:43]  That's the Kingmaker piece of this.
[00:28:45]  He is the person who people are able to be around and be like, I'm not Steve King.
[00:28:49]  He exists as that.
[00:28:51]  Now Donald Trump is that.
[00:28:52]  You don't have to...
[00:28:53]  Anyway.
[00:28:54]  He was the bulwark in the same way that Alex did the interview with David Duke ostensibly trying to distance himself from white nationalists.
[00:29:01]  Steve King was that guy.
[00:29:03]  Where it's like, this guy says all the stuff that I want to stay, but because I can distance myself from him, I can do all the stuff.
[00:29:11]  That results in the things that he wants to be done without ever being associated, really.
[00:29:17]  Well, if you're pretty far-right, hard-right, and you have a guy who's an outright fascist, white supremacist creep, you look like you're pretty close to the middle in comparison.
[00:29:29]  And that's an important person to have around.
[00:29:32]  Absolutely.
[00:29:32]  Quite frankly.
[00:29:33]  No.
[00:29:33]  So that explains, I think, in some ways, why people would be willing to spend so much money.
[00:29:39]  Keeping him around despite his horrible opinions, or not despite it, because of it.
[00:29:45]  Entirely because of it.
[00:29:46]  So that's a role that he served, and I think almost everybody who understood politics to an extent knew that that's the role he served, and why Republicans would never take target at him.
[00:29:58]  And now we've come to a point where he's no longer needed.
[00:30:01]  He's like an appendix.
[00:30:02]  He's a vestigial organ of the bigotry machine.
[00:30:06]  Needed to be put in place.
[00:30:08]  The machine is in place now.
[00:30:09]  You don't need that appendix.
[00:30:11]  Right.
[00:30:11]  So, he's getting removed, and that's that.
[00:30:15]  So, all this is to say that Alex is full of shit.
[00:30:18]  Whatever his nonsense about Steve King being above board about stuff.
[00:30:22]  Nonsense.
[00:30:23]  I think we've dispensed with that idea.
[00:30:25]  Proof of the liberal media lying, Dan!
[00:30:28]  I don't think anyone who listens to our show needed any of that.
[00:30:31]  I think they all knew that this guy was a giant dick.
[00:30:35]  But I just wanted to get into that because we haven't talked about him, really.
[00:30:39]  And I think that some of that is pretty important stuff.
[00:30:42]  Well, and it's important, again, to note that in the 2018 election...
[00:30:45]  All of his white supremacist views were on wide.
[00:30:49]  Oh, totally.
[00:30:50]  You could see them super clear, and he still won re-election by...
[00:30:54]  It was pretty close.
[00:30:55]  It was closer than it should have been, but it was still like six points or whatever it was.
[00:31:00]  But to be fair, there's still a chance...
[00:31:02]  He was still needed.
[00:31:04]  His challenger was a Democrat, so these moneyed Republicans are still going to defend him until there's another option.
[00:31:11]  Of course.
[00:31:12]  So, we have that other option.
[00:31:14]  Fare thee well, Steve King.
[00:31:15]  You will be out of office in 2020.
[00:31:17]  Yep.
[00:31:18]  You'll lose that primary.
[00:31:19]  So now, at this point, Alex is defending Steve King, and he says something in this next clip that I think is a brutal slip of the tongue.
[00:31:26]  Not like saying something racist.
[00:31:28]  He just says N-word, N-word, N-word, N-word, N-word, N-word.
[00:31:32]  That wouldn't be a slip of the tongue for Alex.
[00:31:33]  That's no problem with Steve King.
[00:31:34]  No, no, no, no, no.
[00:31:35]  He says something here that just makes me think, oh, hmm.
[00:31:40]  We've got a, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, you've got brown skin.
[00:31:43]  Can I bow down to you when you call me subhuman?
[00:31:47]  But then the same criminal organization, I mean, it's a criminal organization, takes clearly.
[00:31:53]  We're saying white supremacists, you know, Nazis, all this stuff.
[00:31:56]  You know, they're comparing it to Western civilization.
[00:31:59]  That's the quote.
[00:32:00]  And the New York Times removes that out and just says, it has King up there saying that, and it's out of context when we all know his talking points.
[00:32:09]  So, it's incredible dumb effing white people making up the internet, marking up their internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants.
[00:32:18]  I mean, she is a vicious anti-white piranha.
[00:32:22]  So, I think your eyes perked up at exactly the point that I was talking about.
[00:32:26]  We all know his talking points.
[00:32:29]  Yeah.
[00:32:30]  That's a weird thing for Alex to say.
[00:32:32]  I think it's a real bad slip-up because that implies that ideas that King espouses are talking points.
[00:32:38]  And the fact that Alex seems to be very familiar with them to the point of claiming to know what he meant to say in this interview and the fact that King's rhetoric matches up with Alex really well seems to imply that they might be getting talked.
[00:32:49]  Nah.
[00:32:51]  I don't know.
[00:32:52]  It seems a very, very strange phrasing for Alex.
[00:32:57]  You're so unfair, Dan.
[00:32:58]  If there's one thing I know in all of our episodes together, if there's one thing I know, it's that you've always been so unfair to white supremacists.
[00:33:05]  I may be a little unfair in this point.
[00:33:07]  He might just be talking, but it's a weird thing for him to say.
[00:33:11]  Oh no, I was being super facetious.
[00:33:12]  I understand that you were.
[00:33:14]  You were not being unfair.
[00:33:16]  I could see an argument that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but at the same time, it's a very strange thing for Alex to say.
[00:33:22]  We all know his talking points.
[00:33:24]  Yeah.
[00:33:25]  So do every Republican and Democrat in Congress, and they've always known him.
[00:33:30]  He never says that people who agree with him have talking points.
[00:33:35]  That's why it's a big slip.
[00:33:37]  That's a fair point.
[00:33:37]  He always talks about how all of his weirdo patriots...
[00:33:41]  And all of them, they're just on the same page naturally.
[00:33:44]  Like, him and Trump agree about everything, but it's not because they coordinate, it's because they just know the truth.
[00:33:50]  Right.
[00:33:51]  And they're right about everything.
[00:33:52]  So for him to be saying something about Steve King that implies that he has talking points, it seems like a little bit of a slip.
[00:34:00]  Well, and it's also, like, that's a really good point, but it also suggests that he knows that Steve King isn't...
[00:34:07]  The one controlling what Steve King says.
[00:34:10]  Yeah.
[00:34:10]  No, that's buried in there, yeah.
[00:34:12]  If he has talking points, that means that they're coming from somewhere.
[00:34:16]  He didn't create these talking points.
[00:34:18]  Exactly.
[00:34:18]  It does imply that.
[00:34:19]  Yeah.
[00:34:20]  I don't know.
[00:34:21]  Anyway, in this next clip, Alex just talks more about Steve King and is dumb.
[00:34:26]  I'm going to go through every angle of it, because it's bigger than Steve King.
[00:34:30]  That's true.
[00:34:32]  It's the anatomy of how the New York Times deceives.
[00:34:36]  How they twist.
[00:34:37]  And then once they put out one big lie and define someone as something, they then attach the false thing to real things they've said, thus defining saying that illegal aliens have double the crime rate of the average citizen.
[00:34:55]  That's FBI's own numbers.
[00:34:57]  That becomes the white supremacist statement.
[00:35:01]  And then out of that, they've set the new precedent.
[00:35:04]  To have the Republicans grovel in fear and throw them under the bus and go virtue signal.
[00:35:08]  So what Alex is trying to describe there is basically how he does stuff.
[00:35:13]  Yeah.
[00:35:14]  Like the idea of attaching things to people and creating complete perceptions out of people based on blurring lines and stuff like that.
[00:35:23]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:35:24]  And look, this idea about immigrants committing two times the crime of citizens and stuff like that, that is a white supremacist idea.
[00:35:34]  You don't need to latch that on to him, and now we accuse that statistic of being somehow a white supremacist.
[00:35:43]  Well, and the thing that I take such exception to with this book Well, just, like...
[00:35:54]  That's unfair to a level that is ridiculous.
[00:35:58]  The report that came out about the NBC News muzzling of actually calling racist things racist.
[00:36:07]  Some have described this as racist.
[00:36:10]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:36:10]  It can't be more overstated how wrong he is in the direction that he's taking it.
[00:36:18]  The only people who are going out of their way to try and be...

=== Claiming Immigrants Commit More Crimes Is Wrong (15:41) ===

[00:36:23]  Quote, fair and shit like that are liberal, well, you know, media outlets that just don't want to call racism racism because they're afraid it'll offend somebody.
[00:36:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:35]  I agree.
[00:36:37]  And this notion, this thing that he's putting forth, and he said it a couple times now, this immigrants commit twice the crimes.
[00:36:45]  I mean, we just have to dispel with this.
[00:36:47]  The Oxford Criminology and Criminal Justice Research Unit did a study on immigration and crime in 2017 that reflected a bunch of different studies that have been done, compiled into one that poured over all the data.
[00:37:00]  And here are some excerpts.
[00:37:01]  Quote, Quantitative research has consistently shown that being foreign-born is negatively associated with crime overall and is not significantly associated with committing either violent or property crime.
[00:37:12]  If an undocumented immigrant is arrested for a criminal offense, it tends to be for a misdemeanor.
[00:37:18]  Additionally, immigrants who have access to social services are less likely to engage in crime than those who live in communities where such access is not available.
[00:37:26]  That last part is completely obvious, given that being charged with a crime might jeopardize their access to essential services, which is entirely against their interests.
[00:37:34]  The study further found that foreign-born victims of crimes are much less likely to report crimes against them because of fears of being mistreated by the police or being deported.
[00:37:43]  Some statistics they found, from pouring over all the data, between 2005 and 2010, the incarceration rate rose 16% among U.S. citizens, but only 7% on foreign-born non-citizens.
[00:37:57]  They studied Alex's own hometown to see if there was any pattern.
[00:38:01]  Between newly arriving immigrants in crime and found, quote, using Austin City tract level analysis and the city police department's crime records from 2004 to 2006, Mansfield found no relationship between new immigration and serious property crime rates.
[00:38:17]  They posited that new arrivals might have revitalized neighborhoods by causing a bottom-up growth among Mexican immigrant commercial enterprises in the city.
[00:38:25]  They reviewed violent crime statistics in cities with high drug and homicide issues like Miami and San Diego and found that immigrants were not the people committing these crimes, but in many cases, second-generation immigrants were.
[00:38:37]  So they refined the data analysis and found that places with higher rates of financial security, which is to say jobs and access to social services, the crime rate was lower than average cities.
[00:38:49]  Oh, really?
[00:38:49]  Yes.
[00:38:50]  I wonder why.
[00:38:51]  This effect of poverty is mitigated by access to social services and employment, those sorts of things being around.
[00:38:58]  It has no relation – What I would find, like, this would be such an interesting experiment, is were the consequences for misdemeanors and, you know, like, nonviolent crimes equal for white people as they are for, you know, undocumented immigrants?
[00:39:22]  Would we see a massive drop in white people crime?
[00:39:26]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[00:39:27]  Imagine if there was a real threat that you would get deported for shoplifting.
[00:39:35]  Just you and I. How much lower do you think crime would be if the threat...
[00:39:41]  Sure, yeah.
[00:39:42]  If that disincentivizing aspect were there, yeah.
[00:39:47]  As far as the deterrent goes, it almost seems like that is more of a deterrent than the death penalty.
[00:39:54]  I don't have access to statistics on that, but it makes intuitive sense.
[00:39:59]  It does definitely seem like that.
[00:40:01]  Yeah, no, it's a pure thought experiment.
[00:40:02]  There's no way to ever kind of account for it, but that's...
[00:40:07]  What an interesting idea.
[00:40:09]  So these studies also looked at Chicago.
[00:40:11]  A 2009 study looked at neighborhoods with high poverty rates and low employment.
[00:40:16]  And the researcher found that, quote, in areas where there were large populations of recent immigrants, the number of homicides decreased.
[00:40:24]  Velez attributed this finding to the reinvigoration of neighborhoods when new immigrants arrived.
[00:40:30]  Huh.
[00:40:30]  Yep, there is very good data to suggest that crime goes down when there's an influx of immigrants.
[00:40:37]  So when diversity is...
[00:40:39]  Not even diversity.
[00:40:42]  This has always been the case for first-generation immigrants.
[00:40:46]  It's always been like, dude, we're scraping to get by in your fucking country.
[00:40:51]  We know that it's not our home, but...
[00:40:54]  Goddammit, we're trying to make it our home.
[00:40:56]  And so we're going to go out of our way to do everything possible to kind of try and fit into this.
[00:41:02]  Like, when they talk about the bastardization or, like, it's awful all of this diversity and we don't have enough white representation, every time the immigrants wind up coming in and making a place infinitely better.
[00:41:18]  And just even in ways that are statistically trackable.
[00:41:21]  Yeah.
[00:41:22]  Absolutely.
[00:41:23]  You can find a hundred studies that get into the minutia of exactly how the idea that immigrants commit more crimes than citizens is wrong.
[00:41:30]  But we can leave that here for now.
[00:41:32]  The only study that seems to indicate that immigrants commit more crime comes from the Crime Prevention Research Center and asserts that, quote, undocumented immigrants are at least 146% more likely to be convicted of crime than the control subset that was used.
[00:41:46]  Who pays?
[00:41:47]  It's not about paying necessarily, but I'm gonna throw the data out here because it relies on arrest numbers from 1985 to 2017 in Arizona, where we know that Joe Arpaio was busy presiding over the most racially predatory police department in recent memory in Arizona's most populous city.
[00:42:04]  I'm not sure how much that skews the data, but I'm sure it does.
[00:42:09]  I'm sure it at least is a factor in it, so I'm going to go ahead and say I don't accept that study.
[00:42:14]  Well, I mean, if they just arrested Arpaio for all the crimes he committed, then that study would be reversed by a million percent.
[00:42:22]  It would definitely make a dent.
[00:42:23]  Yeah, for all of the arrests that undocumented immigrants had in Arizona, if you just arrested Joe Arpaio each time he committed a crime, it would reverse by a margin of two to one.
[00:42:36]  Perhaps.
[00:42:36]  All this is just to say that claiming that immigrants have double the crime rate in the United States is an expression of white supremacy.
[00:42:42]  It's a talking point of the people out there who seek to spread fear of shifting demographics and baseless paranoia about white genocide.
[00:42:49]  Nice use of italics.
[00:42:51]  Thanks.
[00:42:52]  So that's really what's going on there, I believe.
[00:42:56]  It should come as no surprise, especially based on all that, that you could start to put the pieces together, you understand, oh, he's lying about immigrants committing more crimes and stuff like that.
[00:43:07]  It should surprise nobody that Alex immediately decides to start season two of Caravan Paranoia.
[00:43:15]  Another big caravan is on its way.
[00:43:20]  Now, you know, I know how to translate their lies.
[00:43:23]  This is...
[00:43:24]  Hundreds of Hondurans, that's what ABC News, News Trust, AP, hundreds of Hondurans set off towards the United States and New Caribbean.
[00:43:32]  And so when you go look up the actual photos in those countries, it's thousands.
[00:43:36]  Just like they said that the tens of thousands that ripped down the gates in Mexico and all the rest of it were hundreds.
[00:43:43]  And they'll find a little corner group of a couple of women, always a close shot of a woman with a child.
[00:43:49]  And say, oh, this is all there is.
[00:43:51]  This is the non-existent threat.
[00:43:53]  You pull back the camera, and it's $10,000, $20,000, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000, all UN-funded.
[00:44:01]  A horde.
[00:44:02]  So that's how this works, and that's how the globalists get this job done.
[00:44:07]  They know there's free welfare, everything else up here.
[00:44:10]  Yeah.
[00:44:11]  So they're on the way, but they're smart.
[00:44:12]  They get the paycheck on average and get the welfare.
[00:44:18]  That's the trick that the illegal aliens engage in.
[00:44:21]  Cool.
[00:44:22]  You're a fucking piece of shit.
[00:44:23]  Yeah, I don't really feel the need to respond to that.
[00:44:26]  That's just, hey, there's that.
[00:44:29]  That's the, yeah, hey.
[00:44:30]  There's Alex.
[00:44:31]  I'm going to say, what surprises me more than anything else is that he didn't double down on that, like, yeah, I don't get why it's wrong to say you're a white nationalist.
[00:44:42]  I don't get why it's wrong to say all that stuff.
[00:44:44]  Well, he does a little bit, but he's just talking about the nationalist part.
[00:44:48]  Yeah.
[00:44:48]  Because that's the way he deflects that sort of stuff.
[00:44:51]  It's easier for him then to fully own that space than just to say, oh, they're talking.
[00:44:57]  It's the same confusion that Coach Dave did, but Alex is being sort of intentionally obtuse about it.
[00:45:04]  Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying.
[00:45:05]  The idea that white nationalist is just white.
[00:45:08]  And nationalist.
[00:45:09]  Not a compound noun.
[00:45:11]  Like with Coach Dave, you're like, oh man, you might be too dumb to know that.
[00:45:16]  With Alex, it's like, you fucking know.
[00:45:19]  You're deflecting.
[00:45:20]  You fucking know.
[00:45:21]  Yeah.
[00:45:21]  So there's news that the caravan's coming back.
[00:45:24]  It's coming again.
[00:45:24]  And it's big.
[00:45:25]  Oh, those caravans.
[00:45:26]  Hondurans.
[00:45:27]  It's bigger than ever.
[00:45:28]  Are we angry at Hondurans?
[00:45:30]  Do they?
[00:45:30]  Alex is.
[00:45:31]  Alex.
[00:45:31]  Alex.
[00:45:32]  I challenge you.
[00:45:34]  Without.
[00:45:37]  Any primer.
[00:45:38]  Tell me where Honduras is.
[00:45:41]  I know the capital is Taguljigalpa.
[00:45:43]  You love capitals.
[00:45:45]  I do.
[00:45:45]  You love funly named.
[00:45:47]  Yeah, that's a fun one.
[00:45:48]  Fun named.
[00:45:49]  Burkina Faso's capital is Ouagadougou.
[00:45:52]  I know.
[00:45:53]  That's a good one.
[00:45:53]  You've told me so many times.
[00:45:54]  Madagascar?
[00:45:55]  What's that?
[00:45:56]  Antananarivo.
[00:45:57]  Oh, yay!
[00:45:58]  They're a city-state and civilization six.
[00:46:03]  Oh, but wait.
[00:46:04]  Yeah.
[00:46:05]  But not that expansion pack that I can't get on the Switch.
[00:46:08]  Oh, so many trade routes I've had between...
[00:46:11]  Not important.
[00:46:12]  Okay.
[00:46:12]  So, there's news that this is happening, and then there's other news, and that is what the leftists are doing about it.
[00:46:19]  Oh, those leftists!
[00:46:20]  And a lot of the leftists are now being hired to be drug mules.
[00:46:25]  Yes, it's so wonderful.
[00:46:28]  All because they went and saw machete funded by the federal government.
[00:46:32]  Machete.
[00:46:32]  Where Don Johnson's wearing a cowboy hat shooting Hispanic pregnant women in the stomach.
[00:46:38]  And then like little birds imprinting the leftist watch all that and believe it.
[00:46:44]  And then they go to the border and help smuggle people in and the coyotes say thank you.
[00:46:50]  That makes no sense.
[00:46:51]  So leftists have watched machete.
[00:46:53]  Machete.
[00:46:54]  Whatever.
[00:46:55]  Directed by Robert Rodriguez, I believe.
[00:46:57]  We'll get back into him in a second.
[00:46:58]  Okay.
[00:46:58]  They go see Machete, and then they see Don Johnson being depicted as a white racist, and they realize, they're like, I'm going to be hired as a drug smuggler for the cartels.
[00:47:08]  Yeah, that sounds right.
[00:47:09]  Cool, man.
[00:47:10]  Cool.
[00:47:11]  So, I told you a second ago that we'd get into Robert Rodriguez, and what do you know?
[00:47:15]  Here it is.
[00:47:16]  Of course.
[00:47:17]  And Robert Rodriguez is a, he fits the part, the flaming anti-white.
[00:47:21]  Super racist.
[00:47:22]  Some people that know him just has cussing fits at what he was raised by white people that took care of him and funded him and all that.
[00:47:29]  And dates white women.
[00:47:30]  Raised by white people.
[00:47:31]  But see, Nazi ideology is fun.
[00:47:34]  Whoa, what?
[00:47:35]  All right.
[00:47:36]  Weird way to end that sentence.
[00:47:38]  Ah, Robert Rodriguez hates white people, but he was raised by a white bill.
[00:47:41]  They gave him money, and he dates white women.
[00:47:43]  Do you know what's really important?
[00:47:46]  He does not say Danny Trejo at all.
[00:47:49]  No.
[00:47:50]  Do you know why?
[00:47:50]  Why is that?
[00:47:51]  Because Danny Trejo is fucking awesome.
[00:47:53]  Danny Trejo is the coolest.
[00:47:56]  I mean, after all of his, you know.
[00:47:58]  But he's the fucking coolest.
[00:48:00]  He owns, he, did you know that he owns a fucking donut shop?
[00:48:03]  I didn't know that.
[00:48:04]  And it's amazing.
[00:48:07]  It's amazing.
[00:48:08]  When I was in L.A., he made it.
[00:48:09]  He had it.
[00:48:10]  It was incredible.
[00:48:11]  It was great donuts.
[00:48:12]  There was some bacon on it.
[00:48:13]  It was fucking fantastic.
[00:48:15]  Danny Trejo's donuts.
[00:48:16]  I was trying to come up with a way to make a pun out of donut tray holes.
[00:48:20]  I think you did it.
[00:48:21]  I think I did, but I'm not satisfied with it.
[00:48:23]  I think you got it.
[00:48:23]  I think you nailed it.
[00:48:24]  I know, but it didn't feel good.
[00:48:26]  You could have just said it in a sentence and it would have been great.
[00:48:28]  So anyway, I think Alex's complaints about Robert Rodriguez border on a little bit racist himself.
[00:48:33]  No.
[00:48:34]  I think the part about him taking issue with Robert Rodriguez dating white women is kind of like, that being in his list of complaints, it strikes the ear as strange.
[00:48:44]  Just the fact that you brought up that he was raised by white people suggests that you think he's a race traitor.
[00:48:51]  Or that he owes them, he owes the race something.
[00:48:55]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:48:55]  You were raised by us!
[00:48:58]  That means that you have to be one of us!
[00:49:01]  We would have accepted you!
[00:49:03]  So Alex is manifesting a lot of these sort of white protectionist ideas, whether it's insulting Robert Rodriguez or complaining that leftists are working for these drug cartels as mules because they saw Machete, or...
[00:49:17]  Spouting these bullshit things about crime statistics among immigrants.
[00:49:23]  So you got that.
[00:49:24]  And so after he gets a little bit of that out of his system, manifesting these white identity ideas, he gets right back to defending Steve King.
[00:49:32]  Of course.
[00:49:33]  So King puts a statement out.
[00:49:35]  He says, clearly, I didn't say that.
[00:49:37]  I have prepared remarks about how Western civilization, being proud of it, is not white supremacy.
[00:49:43]  It kind of is, though.
[00:49:45]  And that we shouldn't be proud of it.
[00:49:46]  You're kind of sure.
[00:49:48]  The New York Times is a criminal group.
[00:49:50]  They've done this to me and everyone else.
[00:49:52]  They are a lie factory.
[00:49:55]  They remove the word there out of the quote.
[00:49:58]  Now they're removing it and cutting it even down more to one word and two words.
[00:50:04]  Peter King said, quotes around it, white supremacist.
[00:50:09]  Quotes around it, white nationalist.
[00:50:12]  So now they're even cutting it down to two words, not wanting you to have the context of anything.
[00:50:16]  That is pure evil.
[00:50:19]  But the Republican leadership, they want to virtue signal.
[00:50:29]  Love the virtue signaling today.
[00:50:31]  Dude, Steve King...
[00:50:33]  I even voted for everybody to say Steve King shouldn't say that shit.
[00:50:38]  Well...
[00:50:38]  The House of Representatives is...
[00:50:40]  The GOP House of Representatives is garbage because Steve King was like, yeah, I agree with you.
[00:50:45]  We should definitely tell me not to say that shit.
[00:50:49]  Yeah, and in his speech around that, he made his response.
[00:50:54]  Look, let's just be clear about this.
[00:50:55]  The quote in the New York Times wasn't just one or two words in quotes and then just...
[00:51:00]  Fabricating a quote around it.
[00:51:02]  That's absolutely not the case.
[00:51:03]  And even Steve King admits to that here in a second.
[00:51:06]  Alex is just making that shit up.
[00:51:08]  Yeah.
[00:51:08]  So Steve King got up to the podium on the House floor and swore that he wasn't a racist and made sure everyone knows that there's no tape of him saying these things that the New York Times is claiming.
[00:51:18]  His case in general is very unconvincing, as he says, quote, So I'm going to tell you that the words are likely what I said, but I want to...
[00:51:27]  But I want to read it to you the way I believe I said it.
[00:51:31]  And that's this.
[00:51:33]  White supremacist, white nationalist, Western civilization.
[00:51:37]  How did that language become offensive?
[00:51:39]  First of all, he keeps saying, this is what I believe I said.
[00:51:43]  But his track record on these things is pretty shitty.
[00:51:46]  And he's not offering anything that is in any way any more convincing than what the New York Times has offered.

=== Alchemical Apologies (04:37) ===

[00:51:51]  Secondly, just adding Western civilization in the middle of the quote in no way makes it better.
[00:51:57]  He's still saying exactly the same thing as the original quote.
[00:51:59]  I was going to say, explain to me how that changes things.
[00:52:02]  It doesn't.
[00:52:02]  He's just now making it clear that he believes that Western civilization is analogous to white nationalism and white supremacy.
[00:52:08]  His correction is kind of making it worse.
[00:52:12]  You're saying the quiet part loud!
[00:52:14]  In the era of shitty apologies, this one is particularly wild.
[00:52:18]  He even says, quote, it's 13 words, ironically, that cause this.
[00:52:22]  If you aren't big into Nazi shit...
[00:52:26]  Why is 13 words ironic?
[00:52:28]  In what sense is 13 words an ironic number unless it's because the topic at hand was white supremacy and that's just one word shy of the 14?
[00:52:36]  In his apology, even, on the House floor, he's signaling to white supremacists that he meant exactly what he said and he isn't sorry about it at all.
[00:52:46]  I think everybody would like white supremacist coding a lot more if it was called the baker's dozen words instead of the 14 words.
[00:52:54]  That's only 12, though.
[00:52:55]  The baker's doesn't, it's 13. Yeah, but it's 14 words.
[00:52:58]  I know, but...
[00:52:59]  God damn it.
[00:53:00]  Do you need to make a baker's...
[00:53:02]  They could edit it down.
[00:53:04]  A super ambitious baker doesn't.
[00:53:07]  Because you've got to add one more in there.
[00:53:08]  All I'm saying is that the 14 words could be edited down.
[00:53:11]  You could get rid of one of those.
[00:53:12]  I don't know if you could.
[00:53:13]  You could rewrite it.
[00:53:14]  I don't want to, you know, pitch ourselves as sort of editors for the line editing white supremacist...
[00:53:24]  I hate white supremacists, but I love really well-written sentences.
[00:53:30]  I love it more than anything else.
[00:53:32]  So my point is, just to put a fine button on it, that even in his apology, he's making clear that what he's saying is exactly what everyone's accusing him of saying.
[00:53:41]  And it could not be more clear.
[00:53:43]  So in this next clip, Alex defends Steve King by kind of using white supremacy to defend him, which is weird.
[00:53:50]  And here's where they do the alchemy.
[00:53:52]  Watch this closely.
[00:53:53]  He didn't say white supremacy is a good thing and he endorses it.
[00:53:56]  He said it's not the same as Western culture and being proud of it.
[00:54:01]  But then they quote real things he said.
[00:54:04]  Now that they've said this is white supremacy and now they start teaching you illegal aliens are breaking the law to get here.
[00:54:09]  They have double the crime rate of the average citizen.
[00:54:12]  Which they don't.
[00:54:13]  Oh, that's white supremacy too!
[00:54:16]  See how they do it?
[00:54:17]  See how they do it?
[00:54:18]  See how he does it?
[00:54:20]  That's exactly what he's doing.
[00:54:21]  I think he just did that.
[00:54:23]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:54:24]  Exactly.
[00:54:25]  It's nonsense.
[00:54:25]  It's alchemy.
[00:54:26]  It's alchemy.
[00:54:27]  Here's how they do it.
[00:54:29]  They take the words that he said, and then they print them, and you go, see what they did?
[00:54:36]  Tricky.
[00:54:37]  See what they did?
[00:54:38]  Very sneaky, these New York Times people.
[00:54:40]  They spun lead into gold, Dan.
[00:54:44]  Yeah, that's some wild stuff.
[00:54:46]  I don't know what else to say about that other than, no, that's very dumb.
[00:54:51]  I'm a little bit disappointed he didn't use the word transmutation.
[00:54:54]  I feel like you gotta, if you're gonna bring up alchemy, you gotta transmute.
[00:54:58]  You gotta transmute.
[00:54:59]  I watched Fullmetal Alchemist.
[00:55:01]  Hey, we're a ways into this episode now, and we haven't heard anything about the Chinese, which is weird.
[00:55:08]  If we're in 2018, you better believe Alex is going to complain about the Chinese.
[00:55:12]  We're in 2019.
[00:55:14]  Oh, yeah.
[00:55:14]  Still writing June on your check.
[00:55:15]  Shit.
[00:55:16]  So in this next clip, Alex finally gets around to complaining about something that the Chinese are not doing.
[00:55:22]  Because the Chinese are totally ethnocentric, completely maximum racist in the nation itself compared to anybody else on the planet.
[00:55:31]  And they know that Western civilization threatens their hegemony, and they're funding through Hollywood on record.
[00:55:36]  All these movies were whites existing as bad.
[00:55:39]  Oh, we're doing the Hollywood thing again.
[00:55:42]  Where there's race war in America and divisions between men and women, and how you teach your kid how to be gay or be transgendered.
[00:55:48]  They execute you for that in China.
[00:55:50]  But China owns six of the eight big production houses, and they demand.
[00:55:55]  That is a talking point on record.
[00:55:59]  It's on your record.
[00:56:00]  It's not on, like, the real world.
[00:56:02]  Oh, it's not real.
[00:56:03]  It's not, like, real.
[00:56:04]  It's on your record.
[00:56:05]  China doesn't own six of the eight movie houses, and they're not trying to force everyone to be gay.

=== Alex Jones and White Supremacy (10:53) ===

[00:56:10]  Which ones?
[00:56:11]  Which ones do they own?
[00:56:12]  I mean, we went over this like a year and a half ago, and he was starting this talking point.
[00:56:16]  He's never named it.
[00:56:18]  I want to know.
[00:56:18]  Do they own Universal?
[00:56:20]  Miramax!
[00:56:23]  Dan, is Disney still American?
[00:56:25]  No, that's Chycom to the top.
[00:56:29]  Way up to the top.
[00:56:30]  I knew it.
[00:56:31]  So, in case, you know, I think in our episode one of the things that I'm really trying to do is highlight how Alex Jones defending Steve King is really him defending himself.
[00:56:41]  Because the two of them are the same.
[00:56:44]  They're very similar in terms of what they believe, what they stand for.
[00:56:47]  In the same way that Steve King existed in the world of politics to be the guy that you can look less extreme next to, Alex Jones in the world of media existed in the exact same capacity.
[00:56:58]  So it's interesting when Alex Jones actually does all my work for me and compares himself to...
[00:57:04]  Representative Steve King!
[00:57:07]  A good, decent, honorable Christian man.
[00:57:10]  Very wholesome.
[00:57:11]  I've watched his speech as many times.
[00:57:12]  I've read his writings.
[00:57:13]  It's right in line with mine.
[00:57:14]  Just good, wholesome Americana.
[00:57:16]  Just basic civics that have been taught up until the last 30 years.
[00:57:21]  Oh, the last 30 years, you say?
[00:57:27]  God, I love it.
[00:57:29]  How much more...
[00:57:30]  Basic civics, which were taught up until they gave...
[00:57:34]  What happened?
[00:57:35]  Oh, some people were given the right to vote that they didn't previously had?
[00:57:39]  Nah, come on.
[00:57:40]  I mean, if you look at this, he probably meant a little further back than 30, but we know what he's talking about.
[00:57:46]  Oh, we know what that's code for.
[00:57:48]  You don't need to look at the...
[00:57:50]  This is where it becomes almost absurd that we're doing this show.
[00:57:54]  When Alex says shit like that on his show, it's just like...
[00:57:58]  I love Steve King.
[00:57:59]  I think he's a great man.
[00:58:00]  He's just like me.
[00:58:01]  I've read his writings.
[00:58:03]  Wholesome.
[00:58:03]  He's Christian.
[00:58:04]  He's a good, wholesome man.
[00:58:05]  Just Americana, basic civics.
[00:58:07]  It's like, all right.
[00:58:09]  All right.
[00:58:09]  You're fine, Alex.
[00:58:10]  I don't know what the term is about rope and the amount necessary to hang yourself, but boy, did you give yourself the correct amount.
[00:58:18]  Yeah.
[00:58:18]  So it's just like, it's wild to me that I even try to lay things out, like information when we have shit like that.
[00:58:26]  Just like, do a five minutes.
[00:58:27]  Alex and Steve King are the same dude.
[00:58:31]  This has been knowledge fight.
[00:58:32]  He might as well have gone on to be like, and I don't like that Martin Luther King Jr. has a street named after him.
[00:58:38]  And you're like, oh, yeah.
[00:58:39]  Not just one, Alex.
[00:58:40]  Not just one.
[00:58:42]  I got it.
[00:58:42]  So then he goes on to give a classic white supremacist, white nationalist talking point.
[00:58:48]  The baker's dozen words?
[00:58:50]  No.
[00:58:51]  You know, if whites were so bad, everyone wouldn't be trying to get into white Christian nations.
[00:58:56]  Okay.
[00:58:56]  That's a very basic white nationalist talking point.
[00:59:00]  The idea of, like, how can we be so bad if everyone wants to be here, which kind of just serves to try to rewrite and undo all the history of how did those countries get to be so great.
[00:59:12]  First of all, there's that.
[00:59:14]  But even after we deal, like, just on an economic, monetary level, but even before we talk about that, you have to unpack his language, and he's saying white Christian nations.
[00:59:26]  So it's just taken as read and assumed for Alex that America is a white Christian nation, which is kind of against the...
[00:59:34]  Look, if black people didn't want to be here so bad, why did they get on those boats in the 1700s, Dan?
[00:59:40]  Why did they do it, huh?
[00:59:41]  They must have wanted to come here in shackles and chains.
[00:59:45]  They must have wanted to be thrown off those boats whenever they were caught in illegal slave trade and die miserably drowning underneath the fucking sea.
[00:59:55]  That must be because they love white Christian nations so much!
[00:59:59]  Well, that's one piece of it, and then even if you flash forward to the modern day, the exploiting of the world's resources that we've been able to do over decades and decades and generations that have led us to Yeah, why, countries that we've pillaged and exploited over the years.
[01:00:25]  So this idea that if we're so bad, why do people want to come here?
[01:00:30]  It's because of the things that we've been able to afford based on education.
[01:00:35]  Adventurism.
[01:00:36]  If we're so bad, why is it that all these people from all of the nations wherein we stole all of their resources Why is it that when we strip-mined all of South Africa and destroyed so many fucking lives...
[01:00:50]  It wasn't just us, but yes.
[01:00:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:52]  Well, fair enough.
[01:00:52]  It was mostly white Christian countries.
[01:00:54]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:54]  There you go.
[01:00:55]  Why is it that they would then want to come to where the resources we stole from them are?
[01:01:00]  Right.
[01:01:01]  And this is demonstrative of why this is a white nationalist talking point and why Alex throwing this out so flippantly is just like...
[01:01:08]  Come on, man.
[01:01:09]  You gotta try better.
[01:01:10]  And have you heard that Africans want to take land away from white people?
[01:01:16]  What?
[01:01:17]  Yeah!
[01:01:17]  That's a different episode of Alex's show, but yeah.
[01:01:20]  So, you know, here he just says some more whack shit.
[01:01:25]  The globalists know the West has a guilt Christian ethos.
[01:01:28]  That's good.
[01:01:28]  It keeps us from killing each other and makes us nice.
[01:01:30]  But it's being overused against us now to have everybody stand down.
[01:01:34]  And have this guilt.
[01:01:36]  We're all taught to have this guilt.
[01:01:37]  And then minorities are turned into foaming at the mouth racist against white people right as they become the majority.
[01:01:45]  It's truly sickening.
[01:01:48]  Truly sickening.
[01:01:49]  I find that clip truly, truly sickening.
[01:01:52]  So yeah, white people are being taught to be guilty and stand down while minorities are whipped into a frenzy just as they're taking power.
[01:02:00]  Gross.
[01:02:01]  Pretty gross.
[01:02:04]  Yeah, I mean, you know, there's not much that you need to unpack there even.
[01:02:08]  It's just an expression of these really messed up racial ideas that Alex expresses.
[01:02:14]  Yeah, I don't feel the need to say anything.
[01:02:16]  If you listen to that clip and you disagree with what you already know, I think...
[01:02:20]  We're done.
[01:02:22]  You're good.
[01:02:22]  Or if you hear that clip and you're like, Alex is on to something, there's no reason to talk.
[01:02:27]  Yeah, goodbye.
[01:02:29]  You can stop.
[01:02:30]  You can stop listening now.
[01:02:31]  You're pretty far gone already.
[01:02:32]  Yep.
[01:02:33]  Not going to convince you.
[01:02:34]  Yep, goodbye.
[01:02:34]  So, also, in much the same way in present day episodes, you don't get through an episode without hearing a complaint about the Chinese.
[01:02:42]  Similarly, you don't get through an episode without hearing praise for someone else.
[01:02:48]  France is going to the highest level of martial law under EU dictatorship.
[01:02:52]  But the good news is, all over the world, nation-states are pulling out, particularly Brazil, where they've got a guy even more well-spoken than Trump, and who comes off as even more authentic.
[01:03:02]  We're going to be playing those clips next hour.
[01:03:04]  Yes.
[01:03:05]  He doesn't.
[01:03:06]  Yes, I'm blown away by what's happening in Brazil.
[01:03:08]  This is the real McCoy right here.
[01:03:12]  And just like George Washington, he was a colonel and all the rest of it.
[01:03:16]  He's the real McCoy.
[01:03:17]  I mean, I don't disagree with most of the things he's saying, except I think they're bad.
[01:03:21]  You know, like, he's the real McCoy.
[01:03:23]  Yes.
[01:03:23]  Of, like, an authoritarian seizing power and shoring up his power.
[01:03:30]  He's more well-spoken than Trump.
[01:03:32]  You bet he is.
[01:03:33]  Almost everybody is.
[01:03:35]  Yeah.
[01:03:35]  I suppose his direct comparison would be when Trump said, you can grab him by the pussy, and I moved on her like a bitch, he would prefer to hear, Bolsonaro say, I don't want you to get raped because you're not attractive enough for me.
[01:03:52]  I wouldn't rape you.
[01:03:54]  That's what he wished Trump would have said.
[01:03:56]  He wished Trump would have said, no, I wouldn't have raped those girls because they weren't attractive enough for me.
[01:04:03]  Locker room talk, Dan!
[01:04:06]  I guess it's kind of debatable which is more better spoken.
[01:04:10]  But, yeah.
[01:04:11]  So, I mean, we already went over this last week about the idea that Alex is really showing his cards about really loving authoritarian dictator types.
[01:04:19]  And you can see it really manifesting in terms of his coverage of Bolsonaro.
[01:04:23]  And it's pretty fucked up, but not surprising.
[01:04:27]  Yeah.
[01:04:28]  Not surprising.
[01:04:29]  No.
[01:04:29]  Alex is really coming out in many ways in terms of his, like...
[01:04:35]  This episode is a really overt document of his white supremacist leanings, which again isn't a surprise for us.
[01:04:41]  In the same way that last week the authoritarian dictator bootlicking tendencies came out really to the forefront, which isn't surprising at all.
[01:04:50]  And we're just seeing that in the present day.
[01:04:52]  He's becoming that which he's always pretended not to be.
[01:04:55]  And pretending like it's not against everything he pretends to believe in.
[01:05:01]  It's fucked up.
[01:05:02]  And it's just...
[01:05:03]  It's so important to remember that, look, this is all white supremacist as fuck, but it is also misogynist as fuck.
[01:05:17]  This is all, he is choosing every, every person who has been fucking credibly...
[01:05:27]  And incredibly...
[01:05:29]  I mean, he supported Roy Moore until he didn't.
[01:05:31]  Accused of...
[01:05:32]  Yeah.
[01:05:32]  And proven to have committed sexual assault.
[01:05:35]  Sure.
[01:05:36]  In some form or another.
[01:05:37]  Yeah.
[01:05:37]  I think those patterns of behavior sort of run together a little bit.
[01:05:40]  They should do.
[01:05:41]  It's not necessarily a one-to-one comparison.
[01:05:42]  And you're right.
[01:05:43]  That is fair.
[01:05:44]  I think that all of that is...
[01:05:46]  It's always hard to tell exactly what piece of his identity he's more defensive about.
[01:05:51]  You know, like the whiteness or the masculinity.
[01:05:52]  Yeah.
[01:05:53]  And I think it's just on a day-to-day basis.
[01:05:56]  Over Monday, when he's complaining about Gillette and all that stuff, I think that we would have much more of a critique based on his horrible chauvinist nonsense.
[01:06:06]  Whereas this episode has so much more race and his whiteness being defended.
[01:06:11]  So that just is more prevalent in the conversation.
[01:06:13]  But yeah, it's both.
[01:06:15]  Just to really hammer it home, it's white men!
[01:06:21]  That is a thing that is part of that white nationalist supremacy.
[01:06:27]  Traditional values.
[01:06:29]  Absolutely.
[01:06:29]  Steve King also thinks women should be subjugated.
[01:06:33]  Sure.
[01:06:34]  Absolutely.
[01:06:35]  Alex thinks women are second-class citizens.
[01:06:38]  Absolutely.
[01:06:39]  These guys are all...
[01:06:41]  That's why he hangs out with Gavin McGinnis, who's the Proud Boys.
[01:06:45]  Their call to arms or whatever is that they believe that they won't apologize for their chauvinism and living in a world that men created.

=== Sovereign Decisions? (03:21) ===

[01:06:54]  So yeah, of course.
[01:06:56]  That's part and parcel of all of these dudes that we look at.
[01:07:01]  And even some women, like Katie Hopkins.
[01:07:03]  Yeah, I don't doubt it.
[01:07:05]  So Alex's argument about immigration and that sort of thing seems to have sort of...
[01:07:14]  You know, there is the idea that a sovereign nation can just not let people in.
[01:07:18]  That seems to be kind of the big piece of what he...
[01:07:22]  He doesn't want open borders.
[01:07:23]  He wants people to be able to decide, no, you do not come in.
[01:07:28]  Unfortunately, because he's a shithead, he undercuts his entire argument because he wants to defend Michael Savage about something.
[01:07:35]  Jesus.
[01:07:36]  Well, that's the real kicker, is you can have radical Islamic preachers preaching murder the police, blow things up, and they're protected, but then Michael Savage can't fly into the UK, and there's been discussions of banning me, and then people inside the UK, they're talking about not letting them leave the country extrajudicially, or not let them travel around.
[01:07:53]  I mean, this is real Nazi Germany type stuff.
[01:07:56]  I mean, that's what Nazis did, was give you an ID for folks that don't know that said where you could go.
[01:08:01]  Yeah, where are your papers?
[01:08:02]  Exactly.
[01:08:03]  And that became somewhat of a joke amongst Western nations post-Second World War, but it seems like the lessons haven't been learned.
[01:08:11]  So if I understand correctly, his argument is that nations should have sovereignty, and they should be able to enforce their borders, which is why it's okay for America to keep out whatever immigrants we decide are bad.
[01:08:26]  Yeah.
[01:08:28]  But...
[01:08:32]  allowed to exercise their sovereignty by keeping out people that they think are bad.
[01:08:38]  White people that they think are bad.
[01:08:40]  Yeah.
[01:08:40]  Yeah.
[01:08:41]  I think we got that.
[01:08:42]  Huh.
[01:08:42]  So some nations, maybe, boy, one in particular, a white nation, if you will, should be allowed to keep non-white people out.
[01:08:56]  Yeah.
[01:08:57]  But a nation that is...
[01:08:59]  God damn it.
[01:09:00]  Does he not know how dumb he is?
[01:09:03]  No, I don't know.
[01:09:04]  I think he just knows that the audience is probably not prone to pick up on those sorts of things and they are just going to cheerlead their team and their team is his team.
[01:09:13]  But it's so fucking stupid.
[01:09:15]  It is.
[01:09:15]  It's pretty dumb.
[01:09:16]  Like, you should have to say, like, good, they're a sovereign nation so we're not allowed to visit there.
[01:09:22]  That is literally what you should have to say.
[01:09:25]  It seems like it.
[01:09:26]  They set their own immigration laws and they say, no, Michael Savage, by your principles, you need to support that.
[01:09:34]  Yeah.
[01:09:34]  I don't give a shit.
[01:09:35]  It's just stupid.
[01:09:36]  Who cares?
[01:09:37]  It's so stupid.
[01:09:37]  So this is in an interview with the guy who may or may not have stopped recently but was running Breitbart in Europe.
[01:09:45]  I don't really care.
[01:09:45]  He says a bunch of stupid nonsense.
[01:09:47]  But at the end of the interview, Alex talks about how it's the best interview he's had in a really long time.
[01:09:53]  Guess why?
[01:09:54]  That's one of the best interviews we've had in years.

=== Alex Agrees Too Much (03:08) ===

[01:09:56]  I mean, I already knew he was smart, but I'm...
[01:09:58]  I got smart, because it's good to, like, mind melt.
[01:10:01]  He knows what I'm saying.
[01:10:02]  He knows I'm not making stuff up.
[01:10:03]  This guy agrees with everything I'm saying, and he knows I'm not full of shit.
[01:10:06]  I love it.
[01:10:07]  This guy just went along with everything I said.
[01:10:10]  This interview was great, because in no way was it challenging at all, and I didn't have to even think.
[01:10:17]  Nope.
[01:10:18]  I could just say random shit, and that guy would just go along.
[01:10:20]  He said, not only that, but...
[01:10:21]  And then he said crazy shit, and I went along with it.
[01:10:24]  It felt really good.
[01:10:25]  I was like, yeah, that's great.
[01:10:26]  Nah, we had a great agreement fest, and it really nailed it home for me.
[01:10:30]  Yep.
[01:10:31]  This is such a bummer.
[01:10:32]  Yeah, it's pretty bad.
[01:10:33]  I'm bummed out.
[01:10:34]  Eh, we'll make it.
[01:10:36]  It's like, it's almost too stupid.
[01:10:41]  It's almost, it's like, we've dealt with so much stupid over the years.
[01:10:47]  It's true.
[01:10:48]  So much stupid, but this is just...
[01:10:52]  Spectacular.
[01:10:52]  I agree.
[01:10:53]  It is incredibly stupid.
[01:10:55]  There's very little coherence on his show anymore.
[01:10:59]  Listening to it's incredibly frustrating because you can almost get a sense that he doesn't want to do it anymore.
[01:11:06]  There is a feeling of that and I can't blame him.
[01:11:10]  No, I agree with him.
[01:11:12]  I don't want him to do it anymore either.
[01:11:14]  So throughout this episode, I think we've seen a lot of real white nationalist, white supremacist apologia from Alex.
[01:11:23]  And the trend has been in the past also that he just loves dictators.
[01:11:28]  And we see more of that earlier with him praising Bolsonaro.
[01:11:32]  But in this next clip, I just feel like he can't make it more clear.
[01:11:35]  He just loves a fucking dictator.
[01:11:38]  We are watching The Rebellion.
[01:11:44]  Against the globalists very, very closely in the Brazilian Emerald Isle in Italy, in the United Kingdom, here in America, in Australia.
[01:12:00]  They are quietly, for at least five years, taking their government back in many ways.
[01:12:06]  The Irish?
[01:12:07]  And we watched that with a very, very pleased eye, to say the least.
[01:12:12]  Do we?
[01:12:16]  The battle is joined, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:12:21]  So, I mean, you know.
[01:12:23]  You've clearly said which side of that battle you're on.
[01:12:26]  It's not a good side.
[01:12:28]  That evil laugh.
[01:12:29]  You literally made an evil laugh.
[01:12:32]  Yeah, I did.
[01:12:32]  He literally made an evil laugh in regards to a large group of dictators engaging in a battle.
[01:12:38]  Against everyone who is non-white.
[01:12:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:12:41]  Or people with really dangerous restrictionist policies and regressive...

=== Alex's Brainwashy Tactics (10:27) ===

[01:12:50]  Don't bring my Emerald Island into this.
[01:12:52]  They're actually doing better.
[01:12:54]  I don't know what...
[01:12:56]  They just legalized abortion all across the board.
[01:13:00]  I think he just was really grasping for words.
[01:13:03]  Yeah.
[01:13:03]  I think he forgot the countries, clearly, that he was going to mention.
[01:13:07]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:13:07]  And so he said, the, to stretch it out, and then Brazilian, and he had to come up with a noun.
[01:13:12]  And I don't know why he came up with Emerald Isles, which is weird.
[01:13:17]  So...
[01:13:18]  After this, Alex has an interview with this guy, Dan Lyman, who runs News Wars.
[01:13:23]  Not News Wars.
[01:13:24]  EuropeWars.com, which is their European InfoWars, which is who gives a shit.
[01:13:29]  That would be a little bit on the nose.
[01:13:31]  If we were writing a novel about InfoWars and one of our characters was named Dan Lyman, it would be too on the nose.
[01:13:40]  Yeah, a little bit.
[01:13:40]  It would be too on the nose.
[01:13:43]  People would give us, like, hey, that was a great novel, but that character's name was Dan Lyman.
[01:13:48]  What are you guys doing?
[01:13:49]  Yeah, we need a second pass on this transcript.
[01:13:53]  So Alex started News Wars and Europe Wars because he had a keen sense that Infowars was, you know, maybe people weren't trusting it so much.
[01:14:04]  So you keep it on brand with News Wars and Europe Wars, but maybe people who see the links won't know that it's Infowars and be like, oh, what's this?
[01:14:12]  Maybe you can trick people again like you used to with Prison Planet and Infowars links.
[01:14:17]  We brand!
[01:14:18]  Exactly.
[01:14:19]  So there's a little bit of that going on.
[01:14:20]  Two of them talk about bullshit that's not important.
[01:14:23]  But they do end up talking about how great Trump is.
[01:14:26]  They talk about this fast food buffet that he gave the Clemson football team.
[01:14:31]  Can we just not?
[01:14:32]  We're not going to talk about that.
[01:14:33]  Okay, thank you.
[01:14:34]  I just want none of that.
[01:14:36]  No.
[01:14:36]  It's only brought up as a transition into them talking about why Trump eats so much fast food.
[01:14:42]  And they get a little bit defensive about it.
[01:14:45]  Guys!
[01:14:46]  Guys!
[01:14:47]  We get it.
[01:14:48]  You like him.
[01:14:49]  You love the president.
[01:14:51]  We don't need to do this.
[01:14:52]  You could not.
[01:14:54]  We could all just not give a shit about what he eats.
[01:14:57]  It's so easy to not give a fuck about what he eats.
[01:15:00]  I don't.
[01:15:01]  I don't.
[01:15:01]  Exactly, right?
[01:15:02]  Why do they?
[01:15:03]  I don't know if they do.
[01:15:06]  They're only bringing it up because they want to create this idea that Trump is under an intense amount of danger.
[01:15:12]  And so they rationalize that the reason that he eats fast food...
[01:15:16]  Is so he doesn't get poisoned by the globalists, which is interesting.
[01:15:20]  That is the best angle on that I have heard ever!
[01:15:23]  And then it leads to Alex giving us a revelation about his own life vis-a-vis poisoning.
[01:15:29]  And it has been said that Trump does eat a lot of fast food, especially now at this point, because of the low risk of having his food contaminated, which, you know, I don't think any of us can really accept.
[01:15:40]  And let's be clear, that's why he does it.
[01:15:42]  He will send trusted people out to different restaurants every time to get his food.
[01:15:47]  Like Manafort.
[01:15:49]  Which tells me, he's probably been, I'm not making a big story, but a couple times I'm pretty sure at public events, I got poisoned.
[01:15:56]  And then once I got tested, it was arsenic.
[01:15:59]  So that was like 20 years ago they hit me with some.
[01:16:01]  Yeah, there's a revelation, folks.
[01:16:03]  Yeah, I've been in a war.
[01:16:04]  They must be trying to poison that.
[01:16:06]  20 years ago, I was poisoned.
[01:16:07]  They only tried to poison kings throughout history and every culture.
[01:16:09]  But I'm sure the president, no one's trying to poison him, right, Dan?
[01:16:13]  No, certainly not.
[01:16:14]  Certainly not.
[01:16:16]  Yeah, Alex got poisoned with arsenic 20 years ago.
[01:16:21]  Didn't happen.
[01:16:22]  Larger question.
[01:16:23]  Yeah.
[01:16:23]  Why isn't anyone trying to poison the president?
[01:16:26]  I don't know.
[01:16:27]  Maybe some people are.
[01:16:28]  There's so many of these things that you never hear about.
[01:16:31]  A lot of the attempts and threats against Obama when he was in office weren't publicized much after the fact.
[01:16:39]  It's probably a good strategy not to make a lot of those things public.
[01:16:43]  So I think there's probably...
[01:16:45]  Maybe there are some sort of...
[01:16:51]  Again, medieval food testers prior to...
[01:16:54]  There already is that in place in the White House.
[01:16:58]  That exists already.
[01:16:59]  You don't need to then add on, okay, I'm going to send a bunch of people out for fast food in order to get around this.
[01:17:05]  There's already protocol in place.
[01:17:08]  It's just trying to rationalize away why he eats a ton of fast food.
[01:17:12]  God, if I was...
[01:17:13]  That's it.
[01:17:13]  I mean, it's insane.
[01:17:15]  And then Alex adding in...
[01:17:19]  Like, not try and do it, but just say, we've been trying to poison the president.
[01:17:24]  We keep doing it.
[01:17:25]  I hope he doesn't freak him out.
[01:17:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:17:28]  Just like, oh, you love that fast food, don't you, Mr. President?
[01:17:32]  Guess what's coming next?
[01:17:34]  Little do you know, we have people in all of your favorite restaurants.
[01:17:37]  Exactly!
[01:17:38]  Restaurants.
[01:17:41]  So, there's...
[01:17:43]  This episode is a lot of just Steve King stuff.
[01:17:47]  It really is.
[01:17:48]  And then towards the end of it, as it goes along, Alex gets more into the...
[01:17:53]  Sort of defending tyrants and loving authoritarianism.
[01:17:57]  And it ends where we're going to end.
[01:18:00]  There's still a little bit of show left, and then Paul Joseph Watson comes in, but who gives a shit?
[01:18:04]  Where we're going to end is this clip, and I don't understand how this isn't Alex just doing brainwashy type language.
[01:18:11]  I mean, this would fit in in 1984.
[01:18:14]  Trump equals fighter.
[01:18:16]  Trump equals victory.
[01:18:18]  InfoWars equals victory.
[01:18:20]  I don't under...
[01:18:21]  Like, that's insanely...
[01:18:23]  Wow.
[01:18:23]  That's insane.
[01:18:24]  Like, Trump equals victory.
[01:18:26]  Trump, double plus good.
[01:18:27]  Yeah, I mean, that's what he's doing now.
[01:18:30]  That's what his show has been relegated to.
[01:18:32]  It's just sad.
[01:18:34]  It's sad and pathetic.
[01:18:36]  That's the picture that we see in the present day, and I wish I could get more worked up about it, because the things that he's talking about are fucking awful.
[01:18:42]  Like, the defense of white supremacy is awful.
[01:18:45]  The apologizing for someone...
[01:18:47]  And making really dumb, bad excuses for someone like Steve King is awful.
[01:18:53]  And I'm not super interested in it past looking at it, discussing it, whatever.
[01:19:03]  Because it's what he is.
[01:19:04]  It's what Alex is.
[01:19:05]  The act of it isn't really that impressive or interesting.
[01:19:10]  It's just like, well, should have seen that coming.
[01:19:12]  Should have seen that coming from this dick.
[01:19:15]  I know, and at the same time, it's so important to continue to point it out.
[01:19:21]  That's why I don't stop.
[01:19:23]  Of course, but that is one of the issues, is that you get this fatigue, and it becomes normalized, where your reaction to Alex being an out-and-out white supremacist...
[01:19:34]  And pretending he's not is dismissive.
[01:19:38]  It's just like, yeah, of course that's what he's going to do.
[01:19:42]  It's so hard to maintain the constant outrage.
[01:19:45]  He's shifted the Overton window of interesting.
[01:19:48]  Exactly.
[01:19:48]  Yeah.
[01:19:49]  That's not good.
[01:19:50]  I'm bored by the fact that a goddamn, what, total 38% of this country still wants a white supremacist to be president.
[01:20:01]  I'm bored by it.
[01:20:03]  I'm bored by it.
[01:20:04]  It's a struggle.
[01:20:05]  It's a struggle to maintain the sense of novelty.
[01:20:10]  It's the Twitter outrage issue where it's like, yes, we're all mad about it today and then the next day we're mad about something else.
[01:20:18]  Yeah, to an extent.
[01:20:20]  It's a battle to see things through fresh eyes.
[01:20:24]  See the same thing anew whenever you see it.
[01:20:27]  And the present day of Alex Jones' show is a real chore with that.
[01:20:32]  But, hey, it's important and it's good.
[01:20:34]  I'm glad to take a look at it and see, well, yep, Alex is living up to exactly all of the things that we would expect him to do.
[01:20:43]  And it would be scarier, actually, I guess, to see growth.
[01:20:48]  Because then I don't know what that would portend.
[01:20:52]  Well, just imagine, like, put yourself in that headspace of, like, this is the first time you've heard Alex Jones say this shit.
[01:21:00]  No, it'd be crazy.
[01:21:01]  It would be insane.
[01:21:03]  Yeah.
[01:21:03]  You'd be amazed that he could get away with it.
[01:21:05]  I would start this podcast if I heard this.
[01:21:10]  If I wasn't already doing it, this would probably be enough to be like, oh.
[01:21:15]  Somebody's got to do something about this.
[01:21:16]  Where does this come from?
[01:21:18]  Oh.
[01:21:19]  Now we know where it comes from.
[01:21:20]  Yeah.
[01:21:23]  It's infuriating.
[01:21:24]  Yeah.
[01:21:24]  It is.
[01:21:25]  It is.
[01:21:25]  Alex sucks.
[01:21:26]  So anyway, guys, this has been January 15th, 2019.
[01:21:31]  This has been the present day, unfortunately.
[01:21:34]  So we will see you back on Monday.
[01:21:36]  Absolutely.
[01:21:37]  And I appreciate everyone putting up with a weird schedule this week, but we'll get...
[01:21:42]  Yeah, apologies for no Wacky Wednesday this week.
[01:21:47]  But you gotta...
[01:21:49]  You know, it's...
[01:21:51]  Mental health days, man.
[01:21:53]  Sure.
[01:21:54]  For real.
[01:21:55]  You really gotta...
[01:21:56]  Self-care.
[01:21:58]  Self-care.
[01:21:59]  I'm working on it.
[01:22:00]  So, other than that, we have a website.
[01:22:03]  It has nothing to do with self-care, but it's knowledgefight.com.
[01:22:05]  I think it's actively against self-care.
[01:22:09]  We also are on Twitter.
[01:22:10]  It's at knowledge underscore fight.
[01:22:11]  Indeed, we're on the Facebook.
[01:22:13]  That's correct.
[01:22:14]  It's go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
[01:22:16]  That's our group that we have over there where people can hang out and talk and have fun.
[01:22:19]  Of course.
[01:22:20]  And we're on iTunes.
[01:22:22]  We are.
[01:22:23]  You could download our podcast.
[01:22:25]  Subscribe.
[01:22:25]  But what if you subscribe to our podcast?
[01:22:27]  Then you download them when they come out.
[01:22:29]  Right.
[01:22:29]  But what if you then, like, went and left a review?
[01:22:33]  That'd be nice.
[01:22:35]  Like, it's nice.
[01:22:36]  It is nice.
[01:22:37]  Yay!
[01:22:37]  It's nice.
[01:22:38]  It's nice.
[01:22:38]  Please do it.
[01:22:39]  Yeah.
[01:22:42]  So, Dan...
[01:22:44]  Fear pressure!
[01:22:46]  Dan Lyman, the lying man...
[01:22:50]  The incredible...
[01:22:52]  Deadly, aptly named man.
[01:22:54]  Now, granted, I don't know too much about him.
[01:22:56]  I've never done a deep dive into his history, but so far, of all the times I've heard him on the radio, he's never indicated that he's killed a guy.
[01:23:02]  But I know one guy who technically probably has that in his past.
[01:23:06]  Who's that?
[01:23:06]  That guy's Alex Jones.
[01:23:08]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:23:10]  Thanks for holding.
[01:23:12]  Hello, Alex.
[01:23:13]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:23:14]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:23:14]  I love your work.