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Nov. 27, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#106: Drunk Special Report

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how Alex Jones recently put out a drunk special report that is really just a commercial trying to promote an upcoming 34 hour long broadcast marathon, which is itself just a 34 hour long commercial. It's a sad snake eating its own tail, and it sends the gents to dark headspaces and an amazing game show pitch.

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Main voices
a
alex jones
16:57
d
dan friesen
59:10
j
jordan holmes
34:56
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rob dew
00:14
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is indeed what we do, Dan.
Now, let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
Please do.
jordan holmes
There are so many people clamoring for a reason to listen to a podcast about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
We hear it all the time.
When I walk down the street, first thing people do is say, hold on, are you Jordan Holmes?
And I say, yes.
Of course I am.
But it's not even that I love it so much or that I want the attention.
dan friesen
People of all colors and creeds come up to you.
jordan holmes
I need to give them the answer to that question, which is, why would you listen to a podcast about Alex Jones, Dan?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know, quite frankly.
Bad way to start.
jordan holmes
The point was you were supposed to go into the bit wherein you say...
unidentified
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
There we go.
God damn it.
Now, you just gave them a perfect reason not to listen.
dan friesen
So, if you're turning it off, it's been fun.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
We appreciate you listening for a minute.
jordan holmes
Sorry for not answering your question whenever you walked up to me on the street.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing, I did not tell you about this before the show, and I apologize to spring this on you, but we had an episode for a foreign policy wonk of ours.
He requested that we time travel back to a certain day in history.
And I went ahead and listened to that episode, and I was going to get it ready for today, but it's actually going to require a bit more research.
jordan holmes
Oh no, Dan.
dan friesen
It is the other level of Alex Jones' anti-Semitism, and I don't want to go into it half-cocked.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
It's not just the blood libel, well-poisoning kind of narratives or the protocols.
There's a...
There's another level to it.
jordan holmes
There's an upper echelon.
dan friesen
Yes.
Alex gets into some stuff that I need to read up on a whole bunch more before we do it.
So, in calling an audible, I had to figure out, you know, what are we going to do?
jordan holmes
Oh, if you say Carrie Callahan.
dan friesen
No, we're not going to do that.
unidentified
Goddammit.
dan friesen
I've tried to find some good Project Camelot episodes lately, but there haven't been any.
jordan holmes
Shit.
dan friesen
No, but I did do an episode live on Twitch on Wednesday of last week, a Thanksgiving Eve episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I don't feel like I was able to do the material justice.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So there will be a few people who watched this live.
jordan holmes
So if I understand this correctly, Dan, you have said to yourself, after doing a great job deconstructing things, why isn't anybody screaming?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And so you're doing it again.
dan friesen
Well, that's part of it, but then the other part of it is I feel like you are missing out on this stuff, too, and it would be unfair to deprive you of this.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I don't want to fall behind our policy walks, or at least our Twitch policy walks.
dan friesen
This is all my way of saying we've never done this before, like re-recorded something, and to be fair, you're not.
jordan holmes
No, I'm flying blind.
dan friesen
So some of the, like I said, some of you who are listening who are in the Twitch stream will have heard these clips.
But you won't have heard them discussed quite like this.
All right, all right.
jordan holmes
Reason number two, not to listen to this show.
Thank you very much, people who tried to make it through the first reason.
dan friesen
Now we're three minutes in.
Thanks for listening.
So this is...
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
So you're calling...
Okay.
Can we turn this into a...
Let's call it...
Shit, what's the name of the movie with Mel Gibson?
Lethal Weapon.
We're in a Lethal Weapon situation where you're getting too old for this shit, and I'm standing on top of a roof hanging on saying, let's jump.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't understand the metaphor, but yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
It's not important to understand metaphors.
That's why you're coming back to the show with me.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Yes.
Last week.
unidentified
Yeah?
dan friesen
On November 14th.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex Jones posted a special report.
On his website.
He did a little bit of a live stream, and he was pretty drunk.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
dan friesen
The setup for this, what you really need to know ahead of time, is that he had recently, right before this, had done a 36-hour marathon.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And Vice came out with an article.
jordan holmes
Yet another money bomb.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Vice came out with an article afterwards where a guy tried to watch the entire thing, and he reviewed it, and it was...
jordan holmes
So we're in a super-size-me situation where he's just watching Alex Jones for 36 straight hours.
dan friesen
Or a Dan situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, look, we're not as popular yet for people to take that as well.
dan friesen
I'm the Morgan Spurlock of this shit.
unidentified
Exactly.
Don't fucking pretend that this Johnny-come-lately is...
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But I met Morgan Spurlock one time.
He was in Columbia, Missouri for a documentary film festival, and I saw him at the bar I hung out at.
jordan holmes
Good dude?
dan friesen
He was pretty nice, actually.
I made some shit joke, and he laughed politely, patted me on the shoulder, shook my hand.
Seemed like a graceful guy.
Because he could have been an asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he definitely could have been an asshole.
dan friesen
The joke that I made was not good.
I don't remember what it was, but it was not good.
jordan holmes
He was attempting to make you feel at ease.
dan friesen
Yeah, or it was just a benevolent minor celebrity run-in.
But anyway, be that as it may.
That's irrelevant.
jordan holmes
I do not ever want to hear the words benevolent minor celebrity running ever again.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
That is gross.
dan friesen
That's going to be a new segment.
jordan holmes
You just grossed me out.
dan friesen
I have a list of times I've run into B slash C celebrities and they did not mean me ill.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I'll tell you who's not on that list.
Shaquille O 'Neal.
Not very nice.
jordan holmes
You met him?
dan friesen
Met is a strong word.
One time, me and my dad snuck into the Lakers-Cavs game.
It was like a preseason game in Kansas City.
And we snuck in before the game so I could get some autographs.
Because I was probably like, I don't know, 14 at the time?
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Or so.
And so I'm getting Eddie Jones' autograph.
I can't remember who I was.
Nick Van Exel.
I think I got his autograph.
Sure.
I liked him.
He was good.
I liked the Lakers back then.
jordan holmes
My dad's from L.A. Wait, if you're Lakers Cavs-ing, that's when Shaq and Kobe were together.
dan friesen
Yes, I did end up getting Kobe's autograph.
jordan holmes
Did Kobe write a diss track about you?
dan friesen
No, he was actually a benevolent celebrity.
Not a minor one.
jordan holmes
He's a professional celebrity.
dan friesen
He was very nice.
But Shaq was shooting free throws.
He was practicing shooting free throws.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's not the time to talk to him.
He is bad at that.
dan friesen
But he was also not, like, it was not an intense practice at all.
And so I thought, like, what the fuck?
I'm not going to get another opportunity.
There's no other, like, fans around or anything like that.
We snuck the fuck in through a, like, catering entrance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I walk up to Shaq on the court.
And because I'm so...
I'm shocked by how big he is.
jordan holmes
He's very large.
dan friesen
He's very big.
jordan holmes
You think he's not going to be that big?
dan friesen
He's huge.
jordan holmes
Even though you know he's that big.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's very big.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I'm walking up, walking up to him, and because I'm so blown away by, like, oh my god, it's Shaquille O 'Neal.
He was, like, when I was 10, he was on the Magic, and he was super cool then.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now he's on this, like, cool Lakers team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I don't see out of the side of my eye that he has a fucking bouncer.
He has a bouncer to guard while he does free throws.
unidentified
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Even though there's nobody out there for him to be bouncing.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So I approach, and the bouncer's like, no, no, no.
Don't interrupt him.
And I get it.
It's fine.
But Shaq looks, he turns around and looks at me.
And he's like, the shrugs at me?
unidentified
Now that's a benevolent minor celebrity running right there.
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
That is benevolent.
dan friesen
No, that's malevolent.
jordan holmes
That's Mean Joe Green levels of it.
He didn't throw you his jersey.
He gave you the shrug.
dan friesen
The shrug.
jordan holmes
The shrug is a gift from Shaquille O 'Neal.
dan friesen
The shrug.
jordan holmes
The gift from Shazam himself.
dan friesen
That was Shazam.
The shrug screams.
unidentified
Apologies.
dan friesen
What can I do?
And I'll tell you what you can do.
That guy works for you.
Even as a, like, young teen, I got the, like, you could just fucking sign this.
It's not going to cause a, like, barrage of people bum-rushing the court or something like that.
It was bullshit.
jordan holmes
I think what that was was him treating people fairly.
dan friesen
Jack's an asshole.
jordan holmes
Look, if he lets you close, he has to let every kid close.
You can't do it.
dan friesen
Jack's an asshole.
jordan holmes
It's fairness.
dan friesen
I stand by it.
jordan holmes
It's communism.
That's the real issue with Jack.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Where were we?
Oh, yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
We were redoing an episode.
For everybody who was listening to the Twitch episode, you didn't get this.
dan friesen
No, already fresh content.
You didn't get minor celebrity run-ins.
Benevolent minor celebrity run-ins.
jordan holmes
Again, still not okay with that.
dan friesen
It's going to be a segment.
Can't wait to tell you guys next week about how I met Don Cheadle.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That actually might propel us into stardom.
You and your minor celebrity.
Don Cheadle is not minor.
unidentified
Don Cheadle is an international superstar, my friend.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he acted like a minor celebrity.
I mean, he was humble.
Anyway, I'll talk about it next time on the show.
Let's not give away the farm.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he loves the Kendrick Lamar song.
Humble.
dan friesen
Stay humble.
So Alex Jones did a 36-hour marathon, and it was clear that it was just to make money and a desperate cash grab.
Of course.
So then Vice did this article, and I've discussed it briefly in the past.
It's a very toothless article is the way I describe it.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
The guy writing it does understand that Alex's performance model is to just scare people and then sell them shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He gets that, and I appreciate him nailing that.
But he doesn't deal with the fact that Dr. Group is on and he's not a doctor.
He just makes fun of his appearance.
He doesn't get any of the subtext to the things Alex is saying.
There's no discussion of any of the actual narratives other than they're to scare you.
I mean, that's fine, but you're just getting the surface.
jordan holmes
Like Bethea and that fucking New Yorker article I'm still very, very angry about.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
That or the New York Times article.
jordan holmes
The New York Times article, yeah.
dan friesen
Over the weekend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or any number of things.
jordan holmes
Who gives a fuck?
Anyways, continue.
dan friesen
So, Alex pretends to be outraged or...
I guess he's...
This special report is in response to Vice doing that article.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And we'll get into it, but first, here is an Out of Context.
jordan holmes
Which was a godsend for Alex, because then he can wipe away the 36 hours thing and go right into attack mode, and the media is going after him.
dan friesen
And he does it very interestingly, but first, let's have an Out of Context drop from this episode to give you a little bit of flavor about where we're going to be going.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That right there?
jordan holmes
That was him popping open a beer can, wasn't it?
dan friesen
No.
A switchblade.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
Yeah, just...
I wanna be with you.
Liberal, liberal.
Seriously.
Oh, come on.
Liberal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Liberal.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
So...
That should give you a sense of the Alex Jones we're dealing with here today.
He pulls out a switchblade, flips it, and starts stabbing towards the camera.
jordan holmes
That is way better than Gollum.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
If instead of precious, he said liberal?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
Redo all of Lord of the Rings.
That's all I'm going to do.
Listen.
Redo all of Lord of the Rings.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just CGI Alex Jones into the Golem part.
Perfect movie.
dan friesen
If you had to recast the rest of the roles with InfoWars personalities, how would you do it?
jordan holmes
Well, I would say that Dr. Group is going to be our Boromir, because clearly he's the one who's going to take the whole operation down with his lies.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Or with his fake products there.
dan friesen
That's possible.
jordan holmes
Now, of course, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
He's our Gandalf.
He's the Grey.
Yeah, there's no way we can not make him Gandalf.
dan friesen
Rappaport the Grey.
jordan holmes
Yep.
We got Rob Dew.
Rob Dew is our Samwise Gamgee.
dan friesen
I feel like Samwise is too effective.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's because Rob Do is a fumbling, bumbling moron.
Now, I could have said Eddie Bravo, but we can't do that.
Eddie Bravo's heart is too good to be in that.
dan friesen
He's Tom Bombadil.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Eddie Bravo is the Tom Bombadil.
jordan holmes
Hey, hey, Derry Doll.
Ding-dong-a-dillo.
Oh, that's right.
Did you think I didn't know Lord of the Rings?
dan friesen
No, I don't.
jordan holmes
Excuse me.
dan friesen
You're still...
Salty about the other night.
jordan holmes
I'm still salty about the other night.
dan friesen
The other night, me and Jordan's girlfriend may have made fun of him about not knowing Lord of the Rings.
We did not think you didn't know it.
jordan holmes
That's not important.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Anyway, let's get on with it.
To quote Barry Manilow, let's get into this episode.
Here is where we start.
Like I said, he did a marathon.
Vice wrote an article about trying to watch the entire marathon.
Then Alex does this.
alex jones
But I've got to tell you, I recognize good humor when I see it.
And because Vice is a popular outfit and works with HBO and has been lately obsessed with us on a daily basis, because they've been worshipping the toad in my double chin and begging for another 34-hour broadcast, I've decided to go live from here on out 34 hours a day.
jordan holmes
Forever.
alex jones
Now, the media will spin that.
The Young Turks will say that I literally think there's 34 hours in the day.
But, seriously, I'm thinking about doing another 34-hour broadcast.
In fact, I've decided to do it.
What day has we decided, Rob?
unidentified
27th.
Cyber Monday.
alex jones
Cyber Monday.
The 27th will kick off at 8 a.m.
The same barnstormer they fear so much, David Knight.
Riveting transmission.
8am.
jordan holmes
That's sarcastic.
He knows he's being sarcastic there.
dan friesen
He absolutely is.
jordan holmes
He knows he's being sarcastic.
dan friesen
He has a shit-eating grin on his face.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Because half of the Vice article was about David Knight being boring as shit.
jordan holmes
He's the most boring.
dan friesen
And Alex has a look on his face as if to say, like...
I know he's born.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The barnstormer.
alex jones
Yeah, come on.
jordan holmes
Come on.
Come on, Alex.
You can't even pull that off.
dan friesen
So as this episode comes out, it will be Monday.
jordan holmes
No one is that delusional.
dan friesen
So today, as this episode comes out, Alex will be in his marathon.
And again, you can tell the artifice immediately from Rob Dew being like, we're doing it Cyber Monday.
It's like, okay, that's the day everyone buys stuff online.
You're just doing this because you need money.
jordan holmes
I bet they might have even better sales on Cyber Monday, my friend.
dan friesen
Possibly if they didn't exhaust their, you know, the half of their audience that's people.
jordan holmes
50% off?
Nuh-uh.
dan friesen
Free shipping.
jordan holmes
65% off.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
75% if you get auto refills.
dan friesen
Well, it's 10% off if you get auto ship.
But then, I mean, you know, it's just like those CD clubs.
I've gone through and looked at reviews of his stuff, and, like, there's a number of people who complain about...
Like, automatically getting set up for Autoship and not realizing it, and then making it a huge hassle to try and get off of it.
jordan holmes
That, I believe.
If you sign up for Autoship, though, that's because you're dumb.
The internet is not that hard.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Click, click.
Not on Autoship.
dan friesen
But if you get Autoship...
Then you get all the stuff guaranteed.
Even if he sells out, you still get it.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Because it holds back for the auto ship people.
jordan holmes
That is not real and does not make sense.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
That is not a real thing that you can do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, the lay of the land, again, to reset.
He did a marathon.
Vice wrote a toothless article about it.
Now he's pretending that in order to piss off Vice or something like that, he's doing another marathon.
When in the reality, you can see through it immediately.
He didn't get enough money from that last one.
He needs to do another one.
Cyber Monday, when everyone buys stuff online, perfect timing for it.
Bada bing, bada boom.
It adds up perfectly.
jordan holmes
Oh, it makes sense.
dan friesen
But he's going to complain a little bit more about Vice.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
alex jones
Places like Vice.
Huge, lengthy articles trying to demoralize us, telling us how much we suck and how we're super unpopular and how we're absolutely pathetic.
Of course, you're reporting on us constantly.
And, you know, we only got a couple extra million viewers, and now we're big jokes.
That makes me realize I've got to accelerate my program to start going 24 hours a day live with other hosts very, very soon and clips because...
If it's pissing you off on our own platforms, we're reaching millions of new people every week.
We better intensify that.
That said, though, things have gotten a little more serious.
Soros funded lawsuits, the threats, and all of it.
It's all frivolous and bounces away, but the average person would be panicked by this.
Me, I take it like a heat-seeking missile going in towards the engine ports on my target.
jordan holmes
You're the death star in that analogy.
alex jones
I'm like, I fly right into the heat exchange.
I don't detonate until I'm up the ass of the engine.
I'm already a couple feet in there before it's like, boom!
And like, wow, you know.
Or if it was radar guided, I got radar out trying to catch me, and I'm like, right into the radar installation.
So this is what I came for.
But that said, it hurts my humanity.
To realize they've recruited this many people.
jordan holmes
You just described yourself as a missile.
Also a Death Star.
Also maybe a laser.
dan friesen
He mixed the metaphor, because at the beginning he was talking about other people attacking him, and then he became the missile.
I don't get it, but be it as it may, the way that rambling metaphor goes like that, I mean, that's drunk tracking.
That's not clear cognition.
No, absolutely.
jordan holmes
I think his main issue with Vice is the first adjective he used to describe them, which was lengthy.
They write lengthy articles.
I can't get through it.
He could have just stopped at lengthy, and we all would have been like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, we know.
dan friesen
You can't read.
unidentified
It's fine.
jordan holmes
We know why.
dan friesen
Well, but if he had read it, he would have read them talking about how he's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's an amazing showman, and even though the content was terrible, the reviewer was talking about how he couldn't wait for Alex to get back on.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because if you watch these other ding-dongs, it's just like...
jordan holmes
That's why we don't do an Infowars show.
We do an Alex Jones show.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he has a brilliance about him within his insanity.
jordan holmes
No one knows better than us, I would say.
So, Vice Dude, if you're writing another 34-hour article, here's my piece of advice.
Don't watch it.
Call Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Dan will do it.
dan friesen
I can help you out.
I'll do a much more scathing job.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You know what?
I'll do that.
Oh, that's a bad idea.
jordan holmes
That is a bad idea!
dan friesen
I shouldn't have said that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't think I'll do it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I don't think anybody expects you to do it.
dan friesen
I mean, I could not watch it and do a more thorough recap than most people.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, I'll watch some of it.
jordan holmes
I mean, the Vice guy got paid, I'm sure, overtime.
Although he's probably salary, so no.
But, anyways, he got paid to watch it, and you will not be.
dan friesen
If some publication, although this is coming out when it's too late for anyone to pay me to do it.
jordan holmes
That is an issue.
dan friesen
Next time, because inevitably he will.
jordan holmes
Why is it we're so good at giving InfoWars advice and so bad at giving ourselves advice?
dan friesen
We're shitty.
jordan holmes
We're bad at this.
dan friesen
I think the other thing that he's mad at about Vice goes into what...
He says there at the end, and he's like, it hurts my humanity that there's so many people who are getting paid to do these hatchet jobs or to turn on me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that he associates Vice with Gavin McGinnis.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's an interesting proposition.
dan friesen
Well, because Gavin McGinnis was one of the founders of Vice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he was out real early.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think Alex still thinks that he's super involved with it.
And there's some, like...
This publication should be on my side.
Me and Gavin are cool.
I think there's something like that in his head.
unidentified
I don't know if I hear that in his voice, though.
jordan holmes
All right, well, you have advanced knowledge and information, so I apologize.
dan friesen
Check out this next question.
jordan holmes
Currently, I do not agree with you.
dan friesen
Let's see if you change your mind.
alex jones
I've been contacted this week by three prominent libertarian patriot people that are online.
And they said, my gosh, we've been contacted by George Soros groups or by other media groups he controls offering us money to make up stuff about you, and obviously we're not going to do it, but man, are you okay?
And then sure enough, though, you finally then see somebody that does take the bait of, like, they'll be a real boy or real girl soon as long as they, you know, sit on George Soros' lap like he's Magic Santa Claus.
jordan holmes
I prefer Velveteen Rabbit.
dan friesen
Interestingly, there'll be a real boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pinocchio is about lying.
jordan holmes
Don't understand.
dan friesen
It's interesting that that came up in his mind.
jordan holmes
Don't understand.
unidentified
Huh?
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
What?
Huh?
alex jones
And it doesn't hurt you that people are getting ready to make up horrible lies about you, because you know that'll just make you bigger in the community because folks are already ready for it.
It hurts you to see somebody become a Judas Iscariot or to see somebody become a Benedict Arnold.
jordan holmes
You've got a better...
alex jones
And that's what freaks me out, that they have got a big paycheck out there, and you're just like, damn.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
All right, fine.
You're right.
dan friesen
I'm not certain if my...
You're right.
I'm not certain if my theory is correct.
jordan holmes
Clearly it is.
dan friesen
I think that he's presenting this like...
Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec told me that George Soros groups tried to get him to flip, and now this article comes out in Vice.
He can't possibly be talking about the actual guy who wrote the article.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Because Alex has no idea who that guy is.
I don't really have any idea who that guy is.
I looked at his past, and I saw that he had a bunch of articles that he's written that were critical of the alt-right.
So it doesn't seem like Alex should have any reason to think that the two of them are allies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But, Gavin McGinnis, Vice.
jordan holmes
Conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
It's Alex Jones' son.
dan friesen
Rex?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Dun-dun!
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why it's a huge betrayal.
That's why it's a Judas Iscariot.
His son!
And he can't out him because he is still his son.
He loves his son.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Can't say that all of that is fabricated and the backstory is actually something that Alex himself helped cook up in order for Rex to disseminate pro-Alex Jones material in Vice by the way of pretending to be anti-Alex Jones.
However, he went native.
So now Rex, at Thanksgiving dinner, reveals all of this to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
This is pre-Thanksgiving, though.
jordan holmes
That's not the point.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
They have Thanksgiving early.
God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen
They have Thanksgiving every night.
jordan holmes
He was working on Thanksgiving.
dan friesen
He loves Americana.
Thanksgiving is Americana.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Every night is Thanksgiving.
jordan holmes
You really ruined my momentum there.
I was fucking flying through that, man.
dan friesen
Oh, you were cooking.
jordan holmes
I was going for it.
dan friesen
You were cooking.
jordan holmes
And you were like, oh, I have to bring facts into this.
dan friesen
All I could think about while you were saying that is like someone directed me to a picture of Alex Jones' Thanksgiving.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's all, like, him and his wife doing the okay symbol, which, of course, just trying to troll people with white...
Nationalist, ironic symbology.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Rex sitting on the couch looking fucking uncomfortable.
And it made me really sad.
All of it made me really sad.
jordan holmes
All right, Vice.
Vice, the ball is in your court.
dan friesen
Every level of it made me so sad.
First of all, Rex, it might have been a poorly timed picture, but he looked bummed out.
And then Alex and his wife, let's just say Alex, taking a family picture to try and...
Antagonized liberals?
jordan holmes
Nothing.
Nothing says family and Thanksgiving more than go fuck yourselves people I disagree with.
dan friesen
I don't understand it.
I have very little family values.
I don't really.
jordan holmes
I'm a big very low on that number.
dan friesen
But still that seems like crass to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's still using your family as a...
jordan holmes
There's nothing more Americana than that though.
dan friesen
Yeah?
jordan holmes
Crass?
Co-opting what is ostensibly a family-bringing-together holiday for crass commercial purposes?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
That sounds like Americana to me, my friend.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have a point.
unidentified
Back into it.
jordan holmes
Into the real job.
dan friesen
This next clip, Alex rambles a bit about some cultural trends he's not thrilled with.
alex jones
That's all I'm saying is there's this anti-Christian crap.
Christian?
Don't let their daughters date until they run away at 18?
dan friesen
I should say, he's talking about Roy Moore.
He doesn't really come out and explain a lot of the things he's talking about, but he gets into side thoughts, and then they develop.
And this one is Alex's narrative about Roy Moore is not that he's sexually assaulted a bunch of people, some of them minors, and trolled malls and various sporting events looking for kids.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And shit like that.
jordan holmes
You know, like a future Senate Republican.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What Alex believes to be the case is that Roy Moore, like a Southern gentleman might do back in the day, he has asked parents if he can date their teenage daughters.
Back when he was like 30. And Alex thinks it's creepy, but he's not ready to say it's bad.
Like, you're creating a fake version of what happened, and then you're still not denouncing it.
Or you're still ambivalent about it.
It's very weird.
So anyway, that was the setup for what he's talking about there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's get through.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, he is saying it is not okay if a grown man of...
Let's say mid-30s.
Goes to the parents of a 14-year-old girl and says, now.
Or perhaps he says, now my dearest parents.
dan friesen
Put on your foghorn leghorn.
Just go for it.
Just pull the trigger.
Now I say, I say, I say.
jordan holmes
Now daddy, now daddy.
unidentified
Let me tell you something about that beautiful daughter of yours.
jordan holmes
Now, you've done a great, great job, sir.
You've done a great, great job.
dan friesen
You've got to throw more in, I say.
jordan holmes
Look, this isn't meant to be insulting.
unidentified
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
This is a purely accurate Southern accent.
And if he asks then, and receives her father's blessing.
dan friesen
The ownership of blessing, I guess.
jordan holmes
Then it is not okay.
But listen.
dan friesen
It's creepy.
jordan holmes
I'm not gonna judge.
dan friesen
It's creepy.
jordan holmes
That's his point right there.
dan friesen
He goes as far as creepy, but not much further.
jordan holmes
And as you said, he is lying about the circumstances to make Roy Moore look better.
And no matter how hard he lies, he still gets to creepy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, he goes from...
How low the bar is is that if...
Look, hey, pedophile's too bad.
Attempted pedophile?
dan friesen
It's very complicated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So here we go.
Let's start this clip over now that you know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
All I'm saying is there's this anti-Christian crap.
Christian?
Don't let their daughters date until they run away at 18. Now it's like the Christians are giving their daughters to old men and devil worshipping.
Meanwhile, you've got Austin this weekend.
Three-year-olds walking over to men, shaking their butts in their faces, giving them $10 on video at Infowars.com right now.
But no discussion.
I mean, if I saw Roy Moore doing that, I'd say, God almighty, arrest this guy.
As long as it's liberal, it's okay.
Them 16-year-old girls, keep your damn hands off them, but if they're three years old, well, it's liberal.
jordan holmes
I love the mm-hmm.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Rob Dew.
jordan holmes
You nailed it.
alex jones
I don't know, though.
People in politics are weird.
unidentified
I'll bury you.
dan friesen
You missed the punchline here.
jordan holmes
What did he say?
dan friesen
Here, I'll just play it for you.
Long pause.
alex jones
I don't know, though.
People in politics are weird.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Good thing I got that one.
dan friesen
What he's talking about there at the end is that Austin recently had a national drag queen convention.
And, of course, Alex Jones sent out a crew to try and get some damning video.
jordan holmes
Oh, and I'm sure he got them selling baby parts, I assume.
dan friesen
Totally, yeah.
Project Veritas would have done a better job.
I'll say that.
I went and watched the video that Alex is talking about, and there are kids and adults that are holding up bills while a drag performer is doing a routine.
And it doesn't even seem clear that the kids know what's going on.
They're kind of just like...
Props.
Yeah.
They have no idea.
It's not sexualizing them.
It's not at all anything crazy.
And then even beyond that, one of the things that is great is that you see a bunch of...
In the videos that they have that they think are so damning, there are kids who are ostensibly cross-dressers who are doing routines with...
People who are maybe on Drag Race or are like their idols or are benevolent minor celebrity interactions for them.
jordan holmes
Goddamn you.
dan friesen
But, you know, so they're getting to have a really great experience that they wouldn't be able to have under other circumstances.
jordan holmes
Which is why Alex hates it and he would prefer if they were sexually assaulted by...
dan friesen
Roy Moore.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But at the same time, all he has to go back on is like three-year-olds giving men, shaking their butts dollars.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, that is not a rebuttal.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
That is not like a, hey, what he did was wrong and I think that liberals know.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's evil.
But also, you're evil too, so that means it's fine if he's a senator.
dan friesen
But it's not evil.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
But that's his argument.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
His argument is like, I'm not going to jump on Roar Moore and say it's fine, although he has a weird, it's anti-Christian, and the proof is that Christians won't let their daughters date until they run away at 18, which seems like it's bad already.
Is he defending that?
dan friesen
That's not a great, like, life pattern.
jordan holmes
Yeah, is he saying that that's okay?
dan friesen
All kids should run away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, wait.
So he's saying it's bad to be anti-Christian, even though, Christians keep their daughters in a cage until they're 18?
dan friesen
Yeah, they make them coiled springs, and then once they're legally allowed to, they run away and do heroin in the streets.
jordan holmes
So, of course, it's fine, because anti-Christians hate when women are subjugated.
dan friesen
And sometimes they give dollar bills to drag queens.
And also, Alex is going to mix this up, and it's just worthwhile to...
You know, make a point.
He's going to scream a lot about trans people, and drag queens and trans people are not the same community, necessarily.
So, be that as it may, just to point that out ahead of time, because it's going to get murky.
jordan holmes
It's already murky.
I'm not sure what it is he's trying to attack or defend at this point.
dan friesen
I don't either.
I watched this entire...
Let me tell you this.
jordan holmes
I don't know whose site he's on anymore.
dan friesen
The reposting of this...
I was scrolling through the special reports trying to find something that was interesting to cover.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I was like, this video is 11 hours long.
jordan holmes
That's too long.
dan friesen
And so I clicked on it and I scrolled to like an hour five or something like that.
And Alex, first of all, he has a goblet of booze.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's clearly drunk and he's talking about some just rambling nonsense.
And I'm like, 11 hours of Alex sitting there drunk.
This is going to be amazing.
jordan holmes
And then it cut to just the repeating video of bacon pancakes mixed with New York by Alicia Keys?
dan friesen
No, it was just an upload glitch.
It's only like an hour and ten minutes long.
But be that as it may, I got so excited.
It was like, 11 hours!
jordan holmes
Bacon pancakes!
dan friesen
He's gonna be so fucked up at hour seven!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it was not to be.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But at the same time, I watched this entire thing, and I don't really know exactly what his point is.
Except Roy Moore is creepy, but fine.
jordan holmes
And Vice is bad?
dan friesen
Vice has abandoned him?
jordan holmes
Gavin, where you at, bro?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So anyway, he gets back to Roy Moore in this next clip.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
But the fact that he was reportedly courting a bunch of these women, if it's true, I just don't think it's a good thing.
But where's the proof, Rob?
unidentified
And how old's his wife compared to his age?
Can we look at that?
alex jones
She was 25 when he was 35. So it's a 10-year difference.
unidentified
25 and 35, not that big a difference.
Yeah, but if she's 13, it is!
Are you missing the goddamn point, dude?
dan friesen
Yeah, he is, but they are also missing some facts.
They're 14 years apart, not 10, which, you know, at different points in life is totally fine, no big deal.
But there are some indications that he may have met her when she was 15. And he was 29. So if that's the case, then that age difference is very relevant.
jordan holmes
So I think that's a Yahtzee?
unidentified
Is that what just happened?
jordan holmes
Did we just get a Yahtzee?
dan friesen
I think we did.
But like Alex is being like 25 and 35, he doesn't have any facts in front of him.
He doesn't have any knowledge of the actual situation.
He doesn't know anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he's got a Samwise Gamgee right over there to help him out.
dan friesen
To sign off on his non-true stats.
And that's why when he's like, where's the proof?
They can pretend that there isn't any.
They can pretend there isn't any because they don't even know the rudimentary facts.
It's fucking insane.
It's nuts.
unidentified
Alright.
jordan holmes
That is gross.
Roy Moore is gross.
And if you write anything nice about Roy Moore, you're gross.
If you say anything nice about Roy Moore, you're gross.
And that doesn't even include the pedophile shit!
You are already gross!
It's very frustrating to me that this is not...
It's still not enough.
He's gonna win.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
He's going to win.
He's going to be a senator.
dan friesen
That's something I've been thinking about.
jordan holmes
At least we got Dennis Hastert out 40 years too late.
dan friesen
Right, and Alex harps on that a whole great deal.
Yeah, of course.
That's something that I've been sort of wrestling with, and this is going to be a downer.
I think the battle is lost.
I think that at this point, all we can do in some respects is prepare for disaster.
The way that I see the people who could help not helping, and I don't mean just Alex Jones.
I mean big picture, a lot of this stuff.
I do not see necessarily activism.
I hope a lot of that stuff can help, but like...
I don't necessarily see a way that net neutrality isn't going to be...
jordan holmes
It's the end.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't see how that's not going to happen, the stripping of the net neutrality rules.
And then when you have that, you just...
I mean, the internet is destroyed.
jordan holmes
Here's what I was thinking along the way over here.
dan friesen
Healthcare is going to be rolled back by all of the Byzantine...
jordan holmes
If they pass these tax cuts, we're fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that probably, I think...
I think there's a good chance that they're going to get that done.
jordan holmes
They're going to.
dan friesen
Yeah, and at that point, when you add in...
Here's the piece of it that I should have realized sooner.
You add all that together with, why the fuck did Donald Trump immediately restart his 2020 election campaign?
Why was one of the first things he did...
Was install someone to oversee elections.
It's because they're not planning on running a fair game ever again.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
They're not planning on any of that.
And when you take away the neutrality...
You end up with a situation where all information that's disseminated...
jordan holmes
You can stifle any voice that is, yeah.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And then you have the tax cuts that are going to destroy healthcare.
You have people who are going to be scrambling to live.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not to...
jordan holmes
As if we aren't now.
dan friesen
Right.
Not to fix society.
Not to make active change in communities.
Not to help the disenfranchised because they're disenfranchised themselves.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're going to have a situation where, I mean...
I don't want to be alarmist about stuff, but modern-day feudalism could be three years away?
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
Two years away?
It's absurd to me how close we are right now.
When you have a president like Donald Trump, you've got nothing.
jordan holmes
You know what I've decided?
dan friesen
You've got nothing.
jordan holmes
You know, genuinely along the way over here, I was thinking about...
How it is that we could actually get something done in the Democratic Party.
And the situation that they cannot and will not understand is how angry everyone under the age of 35 is.
How angry we all truly are.
They don't have any concept of that.
dan friesen
And we're a giant majority.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they can't ride along that wave.
So what we need is somebody to run for a minor office, like the House.
Somebody to run for the House and actually channel that rage into a national campaign.
Every race now is no longer a local race.
It is completely national.
Because we all know at this point that it is national.
We can't do anything in local politics because national politics has completely taken over.
And even if you are in a state Senate house or something along those lines, the Republicans control those legislatures.
Even then, the people in Congress are trying to defund those things with this very tax bill.
They are taking over every local race and turning it into a national one.
So we need somebody who is capable of channeling that rage of young people and actually turning it into an election win.
Because as much as they can screw things over, young people are still a huge majority.
And so I've decided to run.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm not joking.
I genuinely think it might be...
dan friesen
You can't help in Chicago.
jordan holmes
I might be the person who can channel that rage.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Because I am essentially that rage personified.
dan friesen
I will be your campaign manager.
jordan holmes
I think it's a good idea.
dan friesen
We are starting a new party.
jordan holmes
We need to...
dan friesen
It's the fuck that shit party.
jordan holmes
We need to...
dan friesen
Fuck that shit.
jordan holmes
We need to primary Democrats.
That's what we have to start doing.
unidentified
Probably.
jordan holmes
Because the ones that we have now, even if they have great voting records...
Are not capable of doing what needs to happen, which is to develop a national movement.
dan friesen
Well, I think that if a lot of Democrats stepped down or a lot of they just cleaned house, I think that that would maybe have some...
Positive benefit for the younger folk, like in terms of getting them on board.
jordan holmes
We legit need to get rid of people who are 50 and older in government.
Term limits, baby.
That can't happen.
That can't happen anymore.
dan friesen
Term limits.
jordan holmes
They are killing all of us because they are dying.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We have some gloomy ideas about where everything is going.
jordan holmes
So if anybody would like to help with my campaign.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
We're going to get a...
I'm going to do a...
dan friesen
Do you even know when the next race is?
jordan holmes
I'm going to do a viral video.
dan friesen
I can see it now.
jordan holmes
These motherfuckers are doing the...
Vote for me this December.
dan friesen
I'm losing it!
Sure.
Sure.
You have my support.
jordan holmes
It's legit what needs to happen.
I think that's the issue, is that...
That really is the only way.
dan friesen
At this point, I disagree.
I don't think it's going to help.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I think it needs to happen.
dan friesen
I think collapse is imminent.
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, see, that's where we might actually disagree.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
If we can actually turn these protest movements into a real political party, I think that makes a huge difference.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because all we're doing with the protest movements is making a big stink and then nothing changes.
Whereas if we can turn Black Lives Matter into a political party, we're in a different world.
If we can turn the Women's March into a party, we're in a different world.
We're just incapable of doing that because young people still feel so helpless due to the position that we've been put into.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
Let's get off this because otherwise we're going to be here all night.
jordan holmes
Which is why I'm going to win this December, three weeks after the votes have been cast.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex, like I said earlier, he's mostly mad about the Vice article.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so one of the things that he doesn't like about anybody who ever reports about him and Donald Trump is that there's...
jordan holmes
And us if he knew about us.
dan friesen
Well, we don't use anonymous sources.
And Alex in this next clip is sort of...
Not understanding how that works and really wrestling with the issue.
alex jones
I mean, could I just be quoted in news articles about some other famous person?
Like, I knew Frank Sinatra.
I mean, I didn't, but Frank Sinatra came in one time at the movie theater I was at, and he admitted to me that he had hundreds of children buried in his basement.
They like to chop little children's heads off and pull their tongues out with liars.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't be true.
alex jones
I didn't know Frank Sinatra.
He didn't kill children.
They weren't, you know.
That's what I mean.
There's like this thing with BuzzFeed and their Piscate deal and all the rest where they know they're liars.
And they know they're lying to you.
And then I just go, oh, I just got a phone call.
unidentified
Hello?
alex jones
You're saying BuzzFeed are actually 14-foot reptiles with big green tongues.
Oh, I just got a source that BuzzFeed's 14-foot aliens.
dan friesen
You just switched the knife again.
alex jones
And I know we know they're fake news.
So then we ask, what is the point?
And I think the point is, they just want to disrupt and get us talking about it.
dan friesen
So...
That was probably the most self-reflective he's ever been, but while talking about other people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he nailed himself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just want to disrupt and get attention and get people talking about them is exactly his business model.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he says.
Like, on his mirror, he's got all of that written, and then on top of that, a to-do list.
dan friesen
And then he pulls out his phone and he's like, oh, what's that, BuzzFeed or Reptoids?
It's like, dude.
jordan holmes
It'd be funnier if he used the Switchblade as a phone.
If he's doing some physical comedy, that'd be great.
I'd be in on that.
dan friesen
The thing is, Alex doesn't do that.
But what he does do is pretend that his callers are high-level sources and shit like that.
jordan holmes
He had three high-level libertarian online people give him a call and say, are you okay?
dan friesen
Soros groups are coming after you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are Soros groups?
jordan holmes
Soros groups.
dan friesen
What are they?
What's a Soros group?
jordan holmes
They're Soros groups.
dan friesen
Okay, great.
jordan holmes
They're roving bands of Soroses.
Great.
And also they are enemies of the Reptoids, the Soroses and the Reptoids.
dan friesen
He's a Reptoid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Soros is a raptor.
We've got that clear.
But that means that Soros is a bad guy.
jordan holmes
They're apatosauruses.
dan friesen
Soros is a bad guy, then, because he's aligned with Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now we're in trouble.
dan friesen
So now...
jordan holmes
It's all falling apart.
dan friesen
Ooh, shit.
jordan holmes
Did we just write ourselves into Alex Jones' team?
dan friesen
No, because the Reptoids are the good ones, and they're on BuzzFeed's staff, according to Alex's fake source there.
And the Reptoids are fighting the Raptors.
So, in that case, George Soros has to be a Reptoid.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's good.
I don't care anymore.
I don't care anymore.
jordan holmes
This is getting too interesting for me.
dan friesen
Right.
So, I mean, he's talking about himself.
He's projecting a ton.
And then he gets into this about talking to people under globalist mind control.
And I believe it is more projection.
alex jones
And that's it.
And you try to talk to people that are under this.
And they're just worldly and think they're angling and think like you're a sociopath like them.
You're like, hey, I'm not being a sociopath.
I really want to build something and I think you have value and I really think you're being manipulated.
No, no, you're going to get it.
You're trying to control me.
And you're just like, no, I'm not.
Let me give you an example of I was being Machiavelli, what I could do.
Oh, my God, you're threatening me.
You're like, no, I said I'm giving you an example.
I mean, it's delusion.
It's people that can't track history.
Current time, space, and past and future, like a mapping system.
They can't track it.
They just think, if it's emotion and it's what I'm feeling, it must be real.
Hmm.
dan friesen
Interesting.
Jordan, you're having a real intense response.
I don't think in the year we've been doing this, you ever hit yourself in the head with the mic.
jordan holmes
This one...
This one was bananas.
Even when he was like, here's how Machiavellian I can be.
I'll just do what I do.
That's literally what he does.
Word for word, that is a perfect...
I could not have described his job better than what he just did right there.
Look at what I can do.
I can say, oh, you're attacking me!
And then you're like, no, I was just giving you an example of what you said.
And he's like, oh, it's terrible!
He just described what he does.
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
And his sort of self-perception of how he interacts with people is fascinating.
Like, his idea that he goes up to people and is like, look, I just want to build something great.
No, you don't!
You scream at people all the time!
unidentified
We have video of you on the streets yelling drunkenly at a lady!
dan friesen
Calling her Cupcake over and over again.
Countless, countless instances of him just being abusive to people on the street.
jordan holmes
It's not about your words, Dan.
It's what's in your heart.
dan friesen
You just want to build.
unidentified
Cupcake!
jordan holmes
When he said Cupcake, what he meant was, let's go baking together.
unidentified
Cupcake!
jordan holmes
Let's take a lovely cooking class.
I think we all should take a knife skills class.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I watch a lot of cooking shows.
People get cut all the time.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
It's very important.
dan friesen
Especially when you're using a switchblade.
Cupcake switchblade.
unidentified
I'm the...
jordan holmes
I'm the switchblade chef.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
When you're banging your head about him just projecting like crazy, I would be more prone to bang my head about that idea that he's polite to people.
That really bothers me.
jordan holmes
I think it's just that he was too accurate for me.
dan friesen
That's because he's got the booze in him.
jordan holmes
If he's so accurate about what it is he's doing.
I just can't deal with that level of projection.
I'm fine if he's projecting more vaguely and you're like, well, a lot of people who are filled with rage and stupid do that.
But in this particular instance, that's his game plan.
dan friesen
At what point did you think that he doesn't know what he's doing?
jordan holmes
I know.
It's just too blatant for me.
I like it at least...
dan friesen
He's drunk.
jordan holmes
At least hide it a little bit.
dan friesen
He's drunk.
jordan holmes
You're not even trying anymore.
I'm disappointed in Alex.
That's what I'm feeling right now.
Alex, you're better than this.
dan friesen
Anyway, so they're doing a marathon on Monday.
Cyber Monday.
But they don't have a name for it yet.
jordan holmes
Cyber Marathon.
dan friesen
In this next clip, they don't come to that conclusion, but Alex and Rob do...
jordan holmes
Infowarathon.
dan friesen
That's not bad either.
They don't land on that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They try and workshop a name here.
alex jones
So, we're going to launch...
jordan holmes
Why haven't they hired us yet?
alex jones
The special We Love Vice.
That's what it's going to be called.
It's going to be something like that.
We Love Vice.
We Love...
unidentified
We Love MSM Attacks.
alex jones
We Love Vice.
We Love MSM.
We Love Tubbellies.
We Love Double Chin.
It's going to be called The Double Chin Broadcast.
jordan holmes
That's better than We Love Vice, We Love MSM Attacks.
dan friesen
Yeah, Rob Dew has zoomed in the camera on the picture.
jordan holmes
He might as well have chosen We Love Mars Attacks, which is a good film.
dan friesen
It's fine.
He's zoomed in the camera on the picture that they used in the Vice article, and Alex has a double chin.
jordan holmes
Is it ever mentioned that he has a double chin?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So he's just seen a picture of himself and was like, I have a double chin.
dan friesen
When I read the article, that didn't even...
Don on me.
I look at the picture of him and I'm like, oh, there's Alex Jones.
Yeah, exactly.
It's very petty.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He's a very vain man.
dan friesen
He's obsessed with it.
I mean, this clip goes on and it comes up more.
alex jones
The double chin vice broadcast.
jordan holmes
It's pretty juicy.
alex jones
Oh, shit.
unidentified
You want the secret?
alex jones
I mean, there it is right there.
unidentified
Look at that.
*laughter*
jordan holmes
Fake, gross laugh.
dan friesen
I think it's real.
alex jones
Oh, my gosh.
So, so, it's all coming down, ladies and gentlemen.
It's going to be called the Gravy Gullet Vice First Annual Alex Jones Worship Fest.
And it's not that I'm worshipping myself.
unidentified
It's better than we love MSM attacks.
alex jones
Worship.
They know how to get the views.
They know how to get the traffic.
They know.
You must misrepresent Toad.
So, we're going to...
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, what do you got there?
jordan holmes
Did he just...
Okay.
That is...
That's...
What is that?
God damn it.
That's...
That's the title of What's Her Name's album?
dan friesen
You have to misrepresent Toad?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Fiona Apple.
I think she did an album named that.
dan friesen
I don't think that's accurate.
jordan holmes
The Diving Bell and the Idler Wheel, I think, is also the other title.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The foreign title.
I mean...
That's even more sort of, I think that's projection, but it's an accurate projection.
The idea that, like, if you want to get traffic, all you have to do is shit on me, because I am the greatest.
jordan holmes
If only.
dan friesen
If that was the case, we would be the biggest podcast in the world.
jordan holmes
We'd be massive.
dan friesen
But, and I wrestle with this, it's possible that the reason that we're not, and what he's saying there could be correct, we're not misrepresenting him.
Maybe we should be misrepresenting him, and then people would...
Flock.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that actually sounds right.
That's why we're bad at this, Dan.
dan friesen
We should do one episode where we just lie about it.
unidentified
See what happens.
jordan holmes
The special knowledge fight episode where we lie the entire time.
dan friesen
The Info Wars.
You know how Buffy did a musical episode where everybody sang everything?
jordan holmes
Oh, so that's what we'll do then.
dan friesen
We do a special episode where we do...
It's like actual Info Wars.
jordan holmes
No, this is the trick.
dan friesen
We have to be drunk.
jordan holmes
This is how...
We actually do an episode where we switch places.
You know how at the dollop, occasionally they'll have an episode where Gareth reads to Dave?
That's the way that we can do it.
That way I still don't have to know anything about Alex Jones.
Because I can just make Alex Jones shit up.
dan friesen
I'm interested in giving that a try.
jordan holmes
I'll record fake Alex Jones clips in my voice.
I'll play them for you and explain what's going on.
dan friesen
I like the sound of it.
jordan holmes
This is not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Coming up.
But before we do that, Alex has got to talk a little bit more about Roy Moore.
alex jones
Vice gave us a bad review.
Oh, but when they give all their fake comedians bad reviews on Netflix, they prop them up and give them five stars.
jordan holmes
No, they're real comedians.
dan friesen
So what he's talking about there is all the, like, brigading that they do with, like, giving bad reviews to Amy Schumer stuff because they don't like her.
jordan holmes
Were they part of that?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
And all the alt-right communities online, that's what they do.
They just bombard people with bad reviews to make it look like nobody likes something.
And then Alex is like, oh, but Vice will prop them up.
Maybe they're taking the craft into consideration and the actual product, as opposed to you guys trying to make it look like Ghostbusters with women is the worst thing ever.
That movie was good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree.
It was good.
I could do with a little less mugging to the camera, but what are you going to do?
dan friesen
A little more Zach Woods.
jordan holmes
A little more Zach Woods, not bad.
dan friesen
I always say that.
A little more Zach Woods.
jordan holmes
There is no large enough amount of Zach Woods.
dan friesen
Love Zach Woods.
jordan holmes
His Silicon Valley character and his evolving backstory, perfect.
dan friesen
He's the best.
jordan holmes
Delightful.
alex jones
Oh my gosh, we got a bad review.
We're just going to have to shut down.
I mean...
Alex Jones and guests defend Roy Moore against child sex charges.
dan friesen
Pivoted on a dime there.
What he's now talking about is another article online.
Because he's sitting at his desk scrolling through stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's drunk and he's just looking at the internet.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so there's a...
jordan holmes
Riveting television.
dan friesen
There's something about...
Well, he actually searches Alex Jones at one point.
And I'm like, please have Knowledge Fight pop up.
unidentified
Please, please, please.
dan friesen
It doesn't.
Of course not.
jordan holmes
Because we're bad at SEO as well as everything else.
dan friesen
Turns out.
So there's an article that's talking about how him and Shepard Ambulus...
Did defend Roy Moore.
Yeah.
Intensely on the show.
And so he's getting defensive about that.
jordan holmes
I call him shambless.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He's a nice type of wife.
dan friesen
He's a shambler.
alex jones
No, he didn't.
The early charges were he told girls they were pretty.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
He said, I'll have these politicians and pedophiles.
If it's true, throw him out of office.
I'll break his jaw if it's true.
dan friesen
I said, but none of that's in there.
alex jones
They just put this up.
unidentified
It's true.
Oh, really?
alex jones
We're the ones for...
For defending the child sex.
I thought it didn't exist.
jordan holmes
You guys are defending child sex.
dan friesen
At this point.
jordan holmes
That's literally what you're doing right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, and his image or what he's trying to present as the reality that the early charges were that he just told someone they were pretty is not.
That is not at all.
Even from day one, that was not the case.
And that's the world you get to live in when you're...
Alex.
And you read headlines and generally only look at media that is full of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can make stuff up.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And...
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
What is...
dan friesen
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Because at this point, like, that stuff...
jordan holmes
Okay, here's my quick interruption, and I am sorry about the interruption.
dan friesen
I didn't have anywhere great to go.
So go ahead.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
Do you think he thinks he's in a bad spot with this one?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you genuinely think that right now he's kind of scrambling to figure out how he's going to worm his way through all these landmines going around there, and he's not sure if he can pull it off.
So he got drunk?
dan friesen
No, I don't think that's why.
jordan holmes
And tried to pull it off drunk, and that way, which is not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Rob knew we had a tough job ahead of us, but we drank a bunch of wine and we got it done.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Did it again.
jordan holmes
It's like...
It's like not going to an audition, because if you don't try, you can't fail.
If you're drunk trying to do that, you can just be like, that's drunk Alex, what are you going to do with that guy now that I'm sober?
dan friesen
The Roy Moore stuff in this episode...
jordan holmes
Who among us hasn't said the N-word while drunk?
Wait, what?
unidentified
Huh?
dan friesen
The Roy Moore stuff in this episode is accidental, I think.
Because this is just about trying to announce the marathon that they need to make a lot of money on Cyber Monday.
This stuff is not stuff he means to talk about.
jordan holmes
There's nothing I love more than when you sum up the goal, and it's so far removed from anything that they do.
dan friesen
Well, let me give you the reality.
Let me give you the reality.
Him and Rob Dew are drinking, because Dew is drunk too.
The two of them are having some drinks, and you're like, oh, we've got to promote this marathon that we're going to do.
Dew, get the camera.
And that's what happened.
And then all of the content is...
jordan holmes
Drunk guys talking shit.
dan friesen
And it's roughshod.
He's sitting at a computer and whatever pops up is what they're like...
I don't have the audio of it because it's awful, but there's a period of the show where he's just like...
Paul Joseph Watson had a great report today.
And then he just plays like 20 seconds of it.
And you're like, ah, what a powerful interview with Michael Savage.
Jesus Christ.
It's like watching a drunk old man cruise the Alex Jones internet to some extent.
It's terrible.
But, again, it's just to promote the marathon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But, to your question, I do think he thinks he's in a bad place with the Roy Moore narrative.
I think he understands that, like...
I'm over a pickle barrel here in some ways.
jordan holmes
I have come out very hard against pedophilia, and I think I'm alone in that.
Yet at the same time, I am coming out very hard for pedophilia.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the only way to really make this argument stick, or whatever, the only way Alex can make this argument is to say that all the women who are making the accusations are liars.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
In the same way that he does with Trump.
But the unfortunate thing about that is...
So you've built a cottage industry out of Bill Clinton is a rapist t-shirts.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And how, like, why won't the media listen to Juanita Broderick?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And stuff like that.
And so...
jordan holmes
I think you can pull it off if you're Alex.
You can.
dan friesen
You do a mind trick.
You do a Jedi mind trick with your audience, and you never let them realize that the two things are inherently spiritually contradictory to each other.
When you're like, no, the women who are attacking Republicans are liars paid by Soros.
The women who are attacking Democrats are pure snow-driven women who are victims, and we need to defend them.
In the same way that, like...
All of the liberals, they just defend pedophiles across the board.
The Podestas.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Comet ping pong pizza.
And then on the right, no, he's not.
It's all lies.
jordan holmes
My theory.
dan friesen
It's a disgraceful web.
jordan holmes
Genuine theory.
Especially with guys like Mitch McConnell even saying, like, I believe those people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One, I know Roy Moore.
He's gross.
That's all I needed to know.
But I think one of the big things that is influencing Alex in this regard is normally I think he would go straight after, oh they're lying, it's politically motivated, it's all liberals.
But the fact that so many women have been coming out now, not just at anyone in particular, but across the board, because of that, there is an influence that has happened, which is why against their against their political instincts, like Mitch McConnell, his best move is to I don't believe them.
The same way the Alabama...
dan friesen
Alex's best move.
jordan holmes
Well, his best move, Alex's best move, the Alabama Republicans who support Roy Moore now realized, hey, we can't give a standout.
We gotta lock ranks even harder and not allow anybody through this, and that's how we're going to get through.
dan friesen
Or do that now and then deal with the reality later if we have to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
That's shitty.
jordan holmes
That's the best move, and I think he's influenced by this outpouring of women, and he's...
dan friesen
Can I be clearer?
I don't think that's the case.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that the reality is that there are very few politicians that Alex Jones has done such...
Such a load of work in terms of branding as Trump-style, Trump-revolution politicians.
He spent, like, a month before the primary.
jordan holmes
With Roy Moore.
dan friesen
Against Luther Strange, being like, this guy, he's a part of the Trump agenda, he gets it.
Like, fucking Roy Moore comes to things with guns out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, literal guns at speeches.
jordan holmes
Suns out, guns out.
dan friesen
Right, and Alex, I think Alex, in order to turn on that, would be a really fucking big deal.
Because he doesn't have, there aren't a lot of Trump agenda people who are actually in office.
jordan holmes
Then why isn't he saying that they're all liars?
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
Is he?
dan friesen
Most of it, yeah.
jordan holmes
But that's the thing.
It's not all of it.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
But the stuff that's not lies is the idea that he went and asked parents to date their teenage daughter.
And he always says, like, 16, 17, which is legal in Alabama.
jordan holmes
Still gross.
dan friesen
Very gross.
But it's technically legal.
But Alex says that all the other stuff, all the assault, all that stuff is lies.
The only stuff that's true is, eh, it's slightly creepy behavior.
I'm not for it.
I don't want my daughters being engaged in it.
I get where it comes from.
It's a southern tradition.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I don't understand why he would do that.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
Why would you give even an inch?
dan friesen
Because he's in a difficult position.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because some of it you can't say is lies.
jordan holmes
But the correct move is to say it's lies.
dan friesen
Alex is an unconventional man.
jordan holmes
We all know that that doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Alex likes to create an entirely robust fictional universe to live in.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And you can't just do the most sensible thing all the time.
jordan holmes
He's making a classic blunder in believing a woman.
If you're on the right wing, do not do that.
You're going to get yourself in trouble.
dan friesen
I think Alex is believing a parent of a woman.
I think that's more what he's doing.
He's believing the dad of it.
So it's not believing a woman.
That might be even more to the point of what's going on.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Because the dad would come out and say, Roy Moore asked to date my daughter.
Alex believes that.
Wouldn't believe the daughter.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Interesting.
So there might be some of that.
But anyway, like I said, this is a marathon commercial through and through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so in this next clip...
jordan holmes
Does he do any ad drops?
dan friesen
He doesn't do any ad drops, but...
jordan holmes
It's a special report.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is an ad for...
jordan holmes
Of course, himself.
dan friesen
A 34-hour ad that he's going to do.
jordan holmes
You gotta give the man some hustle credit.
There's no doubt.
He's professional wrestling level of tease to tease to tease.
dan friesen
It's just like he lives in this character.
But the next clip here, he discusses some ideas that he has for the marathon.
alex jones
We'll go on the name by tomorrow, but with the first annual Vice Appreciation Gala.
And we will invite...
Vice to come on.
And we'll invite, we'll fly in all those trannies.
But they'll bring poles.
They've got a pole dance in front of adults, though.
Sorry, no kids will give you cash.
How's that sound?
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
And then we'll have maybe some midgets.
Oh, that's looking direct.
unidentified
Fucking great.
alex jones
We'll have some dwarves.
Oh, I'm sorry, that's important.
We'll have some little people.
jordan holmes
You're a great fucking man.
alex jones
Deliver, you know, poor buddies.
unidentified
Martinis.
alex jones
And like that.
Big sombreros on the nachos.
Oh, wait, that's sexist.
There'll probably be an article about it.
But see, Howard Stern can make the joke.
He's an anointed one.
He's allowed to.
jordan holmes
No, he just makes jokes.
And you do not.
dan friesen
I don't listen to Stern really ever, or at all anymore.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
And from what I can know from people who do listen, that's not what his show's like anymore.
But be that as it may, anybody who has any awareness of Howard Stern knows that his entire career was fighting.
It was all being censored and him fighting against people censoring him.
And to a certain extent, the use of little people and stuff like that...
Was an attempt to make a point.
And I don't know if I'm going to give him all that credit, but there is an aspect of it that is rebellion for rebellion's sake in terms of defining the lines of free speech.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex, if he wrestled with that a little bit, don't fucking step to Howard Stern when you're trying to make your dumbass jokes in your ad commercial for a commercial.
Yeah.
I also don't understand how having people in sombreros, little people in sombreros is sexist.
You're just losing the thread.
jordan holmes
No, he just lost that.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has.
jordan holmes
He's just mad-libbing poorly now.
dan friesen
He's scatting through this idea.
And the trans stuff, he's just going back to the drag queens, which is why I brought that up earlier so it didn't come as such a weird aside.
jordan holmes
Pretty unhappy with that.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
Not a fan.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
Not a fan, Alex.
dan friesen
It's not good.
So, lest you think.
That the idea of getting little people to come to the marathon was just a joke.
It wasn't.
alex jones
I'm serious.
I think we should have the extravaganja.
jordan holmes
I'll have an extravaganja.
dan friesen
You just talked over him saying extravaganja.
He's fucking...
He's drunk.
He's like, I wish I had some weed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I think we should have it with little people.
Can you get hired little people for the event?
Maybe I should try to outdo Howard Stern, but it'll all be attack though.
It's like, oh my god, he's a patriot, he's pro free market, he's not Howard Stern, he's not allowed to have midgets pouring cocktails.
Should I do it for the first annual Vice Special Olympics?
dan friesen
First of all...
jordan holmes
Oh boy!
dan friesen
He saves that, or he tries to save that here in a minute, but there's a very large part of me that hopes he wakes up and he's not like super hungover.
And he's like, that was a good idea.
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
I think he probably...
I think Rob Dew or Buckley, who we don't know for sure is his cousin, Buckley is like, I think it's a great idea, but I don't think we should follow through with it yet.
Well, give Trump a few more years when we've subjugated the little people, and then we can pull it off all we want.
dan friesen
The thing is, the only reason that I have an interest in him actually trying this is like...
He does not have the grace of Howard Stern.
He doesn't have the skill.
So it would just be a complete mess of trying to use exploitation as a performance piece or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exploiting people to demonstrate exploitation.
dan friesen
But it wouldn't be that.
unidentified
No, it would be exploitation to exploit people.
dan friesen
And it would be probably a grisly spectacle.
Like, it would be...
It would be a serious misstep.
jordan holmes
It would be comical.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Which is where we're really turning.
I'm starting to turn really hard towards this is now hilarious.
All of life is hilarious.
We have two acting directors of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and that is objectively hilarious.
It's awful.
It's stupid.
But I'll be goddamned if having two popes in 2017 Isn't really funny.
dan friesen
It's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
It's really funny.
dan friesen
So Alex said the Special Olympics.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is obviously him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's obviously him giving up the game.
dan friesen
A little bit, but he tries to save it here immediately after.
alex jones
Should we?
And by that, we'll have liberals there, Special Olympics politically.
They'll learn about free speech.
They'll learn that in America, you're allowed to have your speech.
You don't get shut down.
You don't get coffee thrown in your head.
You don't get beat up like the trans woman.
By the way, Media Matters wrote this big article about.
Let me show you this one right here.
Let me show you this one.
unidentified
Let me see if I can find it.
alex jones
Oh, there's the Jihad Christmas.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
I forgot about that.
They're going to attack the Vatican that's got 200-foot walls and said bring in all the Muslims because these are all walls right here going in.
And the Pope says, you know, give in to it all.
Here, look.
Here's Alex Jones.
And you type this in and you click news.
Alex Jones says transgender people are usually super ugly and weigh 500 pounds.
Well, I mean, is that not true?
I'm the average American.
No!
Including myself.
I just said I'm a grand toad.
dan friesen
So that's a cowardly dodge, in terms of like...
jordan holmes
No, it's...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like how Rob Dew is playing the salacious crumb character right now.
In the background, just...
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
He comes into play a little bit more towards the end, because I think Alex has taken big swigs off something or refilling his drink.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so occasionally he'll turn the camera on Rob Dew, and it's clearly to mask something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe doing coke.
No, because that would make noise.
jordan holmes
No, and also he would be way different if he were doing coke right now.
dan friesen
He's a little laid back.
Yeah.
But, you know, The issues with free speech.
jordan holmes
Yes.
What about him?
I don't think we have any.
Go.
dan friesen
Alex, his continued existence is a demonstration of free speech in action.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then people who may or may not have been plants throwing coffee at you when you antagonize them on the street, that's not your free speech being encroached upon.
Media Matters writing articles that, again, are toothless as fuck.
That's not your free speech being encroached upon.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's just people responding to you appropriately.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And let's be clear.
jordan holmes
I would say inappropriately.
dan friesen
Media Matters did write an article about this, and it is.
I mean, Alex has said worse things about trans people in the past, for sure.
We've discussed a good bit of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that is the same, like, I think it was the same day or the day right around there that he had that South African apartheid proponent guy on the show.
Media Matters didn't have an article about that.
They didn't have an article about how he had one of these Swedelanders on.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just lying about white genocide.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so this is why...
jordan holmes
Well, that's not going to get the liberal Twitter sphere up in arms, man.
That's in South Africa.
dan friesen
It's a huge...
jordan holmes
You don't even need to worry about that.
That's elsewhere.
dan friesen
It's a much bigger issue.
jordan holmes
Huge issue.
Massive.
dan friesen
But that's...
When I sort of had a little breakdown earlier and was saying that I don't think we have a chance.
I mean, it's stuff like that.
It's stuff like, well, you cover these...
These things, which I'm not saying you shouldn't cover what he says about trans people.
Good, you should.
unidentified
We do.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you also need to pay attention to him saying that Charles Manson was Antifa.
You've got to pay attention to him advocating for a white...
jordan holmes
I'm coming around to his side on that.
dan friesen
And advocating for a white nationalist group in South Africa that's spreading lies in alt-right communities here in America.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're Antifa.
unidentified
Which celebrity goddess should we kill?
jordan holmes
Like, who's the Sharon Tate of our day?
dan friesen
I don't want to kill anybody, so...
I don't want to answer this.
I refuse to play the game.
jordan holmes
I was just...
Oh, come on.
I wasn't suggesting that we actually kill somebody.
dan friesen
Well, my immediate thought was...
jordan holmes
I am winking loudly at you.
dan friesen
My immediate thought was Lana Del Rey.
jordan holmes
You love Lana Del Rey.
dan friesen
I do, but also...
jordan holmes
That just got weird.
dan friesen
Charles Manson probably loved Cher and Tate.
jordan holmes
I know!
Now I'm worried about you, Dan.
dan friesen
But see, Lana Del Rey is like...
jordan holmes
The only way we can truly love something is if we kill it and it's prime.
dan friesen
Well, Lana Del Rey might be past her prime.
I did not like the last album as much.
She's not past her prime.
jordan holmes
You're cucking out Lana Del Rey!
dan friesen
She probably has a lot of great work left in her.
But be that as it may...
Good save.
These blogs online pretend that she's an Illuminati princess.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And see, the only reason this doesn't work out now is she seems a lot happier now.
Whereas in her first couple albums, it was all like, I want to die.
jordan holmes
Very sad.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I think that's why you don't like the most recent album.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
That Baroque style, the way she sings does not work unless you're kind of like...
jordan holmes
Unless you're bummed out.
dan friesen
You need to be flat and bummed out.
jordan holmes
Right.
Zola Jesus does not sing uplifting songs.
No.
Not happening.
dan friesen
So, what the fuck were we talking about?
Oh, Media Matters covers...
jordan holmes
Is that what we were talking about?
dan friesen
Their coverage is incomplete, is what I was saying.
jordan holmes
Yes, I think that is exactly what we got to with the what celebrity would you kill if you were Antifa and Charles Manson was your grandfather.
dan friesen
Why doesn't Media Matters write that article?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex...
jordan holmes
They should do a whole online poll.
It'd be great.
dan friesen
Alex gets back to the issues with the cross-dressers and that festival.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he splits hairs a little bit about being a complete...
And then puts Gavin McGinnis' business on the streets.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
And I was saying, at the events we go to, they weigh like 500 pounds.
This other lady, Blair White, I mean, you know, I don't care if he's a man or a woman, whatever you want to be.
I mean, whatever.
Still left trying to ban Halloween where I can't wear a costume.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
Like, if I want to announce that I'm a trans person, then I can join.
I can gain no 250 pounds.
dan friesen
So first of all...
jordan holmes
That's...
Already we're in dick territory.
dan friesen
Did you notice, though, that he uses appropriate language when he's talking about himself, but not when he's talking about other people?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
He uses slurs when he's describing actual trans people, and then when he's talking about himself, he's as if I was a trans person.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's a subconscious tell.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he knows exactly what people...
jordan holmes
He's purposefully doing it to put them down.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Of course.
We all know that.
dan friesen
Or maybe in his mind he's doing it to rile up liberals.
Maybe that's what he thinks he's doing.
But what he's doing is...
jordan holmes
He's revealing that he's filled with all of these prejudices.
dan friesen
Or attention is more important to him than other people's feelings.
jordan holmes
Well, that's obviously true.
dan friesen
Right.
Or their humanity.
jordan holmes
Attention is more important to him than everything?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And I can join the club.
Can I join?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Can I then be protected no matter what I say or what I do?
dan friesen
That's not how it works.
alex jones
It's like Gavin McGinnis was talking about how in college, that's where he met his wife, a fag hag, not a pejorative term, just the name of those women call themselves.
You know, they call it fag, queer, all this is your terms, you're allowed to use it, but suddenly I'm discriminated against, I can't use it.
It's all a leftist ideology of control, not the gay stuff, but the political control that goes with it.
jordan holmes
What about the gay stuff?
alex jones
He said he would go to the gay parties because it would be like two to one women and freaked out women that never had a guy hit on them that thought gay guys were not threatening.
And if you ever wanted to pick up wild women, believe me, at one of those techno parties is the place.
dan friesen
Techno parties.
alex jones
And anybody that's been around the block knows that's the case.
It's just crazy.
dan friesen
So what we get here...
jordan holmes
I'm confused.
What's crazy?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
In that...
dan friesen
Picking up women at gay parties, maybe?
I don't know.
But, like, what he's doing is basically...
So, do you know that Gavin McGinnis is a failed stand-up comedian?
jordan holmes
Of course.
They're all failed stand-up comedians.
dan friesen
Right.
I didn't know that until Alex talked about it the other day, about how Gavin McGinnis was, like...
The way Alex says it, and this is obviously what Gavin told him, is that he got kicked out of stand-up because he was a libertarian.
Or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Kicked out by the HR Department of Comedy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's how we do it.
We got together and had a vote.
You know, comedians.
Notoriously collective groups of people.
dan friesen
It's like Survivor when you're a comedian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, Gavin McGinnis is...
jordan holmes
God, if only.
There's so many people we wish we could kick out that way.
dan friesen
Gavin McGinnis is a failed comedian.
And what he did is he probably was at...
You know, when he was in college and he met his wife, he was probably at...
was when he was younger.
Yeah.
unidentified
He was a liberal that flipped over to the other side.
dan friesen
And so now he presents.
jordan holmes
He joined the winning team.
dan friesen
But now he presents that history or that piece of his life as just a hack comedic premise.
That idea of like, yeah, you go to gay parties and pick up chicks.
All the wild women, that's where you find them.
Right.
unidentified
And Alex is just repeating a hack comedy as like, oh, I'm making a big point here.
jordan holmes
That's what they call themselves, is a classic comic move of like, I can get away with saying this, but I don't have to take responsibility for saying it.
dan friesen
Why can't I say these words?
jordan holmes
These words!
dan friesen
Getting into Mike Richards' territory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pathetic.
dan friesen
These words!
jordan holmes
That's one of the ways that you can tell a failed stand-up comedian if they're on right-wing radio.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much all you gotta do.
dan friesen
I almost think Alex might have wanted to do it.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
We listened to him do stand-up comedians.
dan friesen
But that was because Doug Stanhope told him to.
I'm not sure if that's...
You can't point the finger...
jordan holmes
But if Doug Stanhope told him to, he was like, it's my chance to shine.
I've wanted to do this for my whole life.
dan friesen
There's a good chance.
Yeah.
But...
Oh, because I kept saying these words, I just wanted to say...
Everyone go watch that Michael Richards video.
It's...
If you...
Take the offensiveness out of it.
It's really pretty funny.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
Add that to the list of damn things that it's not reasonable.
dan friesen
It is not reasonable.
But if you look at it as a human experience and, like, just look at, like, because he is a blank slate.
He's opaque.
You can see into his brain the, like, oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, what have I done?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing, and then trying to save it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then just the dynamic of, like, the host has to come up after.
As a comedian, you forget about that stuff.
jordan holmes
That's always fun, though.
dan friesen
That Tom Dreesen was hosting that show and had to come up after him.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
Like, we've done bad gigs.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, hosting when something goes wrong, never, never to that level.
What I'm saying is...
jordan holmes
I bet that probably wasn't too hard to get out of, actually.
I think everybody at the end...
Like, if I was hosting that show...
dan friesen
I think they ended the show.
jordan holmes
Really?
You think so?
dan friesen
I think they gave refunds and, like, ended the show.
I'm pretty sure.
jordan holmes
That'd be funny.
dan friesen
I have no idea, though.
jordan holmes
I think I could get out of that.
dan friesen
You want to be the next...
jordan holmes
I'm a solid MC.
I'm a solid MC.
I think I could get out of that.
dan friesen
You gotta do, like, 15 before the next comic, in that case.
jordan holmes
I think I could get out of it in five.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I think there'd be...
unidentified
Ooh, ooh, ooh.
dan friesen
Here's a new game show.
jordan holmes
How quickly can you get out of the N-word?
dan friesen
It doesn't have to be the N-word.
But, like, it's like, name that tune.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, name that tune.
jordan holmes
I can get out of this mess in two bits.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And so what you do is...
jordan holmes
I can get out of this mess in a bit of crowd work and one bit.
dan friesen
You have a comedy show that's going on on a soundstage, and the audience doesn't know that they're part of this Can I Get Out of It show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so you just have a regular comedy show that's going on for most of the show.
But on the side stage, there is a negotiation of, I can get out of this in four minutes.
I can get out of it in three.
Get out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then, as soon as a negotiation has been struck, the comic who's on stage does something super fucked up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever it is.
Maybe moons the audience.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
It's something that would be like, ugh, shit.
And then, you gotta get out of it.
jordan holmes
You gotta get out of it.
dan friesen
You gotta save it.
jordan holmes
Alright, now.
dan friesen
This would be a great game show.
That is...
jordan holmes
Brilliant.
unidentified
We would get murdered if we ever tried to do that.
jordan holmes
If we tried to produce that for one second, that's like punks.
dan friesen
We should sell that show!
jordan holmes
We could sell that show!
dan friesen
That's a good idea.
jordan holmes
Marty knows some people.
Marty, if you're listening, we got a show for you.
dan friesen
What was the other show we came up with that was brilliant?
Oh, Dealer New Deal.
jordan holmes
That's right, Dealer New Deal.
dan friesen
We've got two hot game shows.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
New podcasts!
Get on!
dan friesen
God damn it.
Drives me crazy.
unidentified
Get out of it.
jordan holmes
No, you get out of it.
That's what it would be, too.
dan friesen
Get out of this mess.
Get out of that shit.
jordan holmes
Endlessly watchable.
dan friesen
So, this next clip, Alex does not get out of it, and he ends up talking a little bit about Roy Moore, and not good.
alex jones
Dude, has Roy Moore admitted he likes to date teenage girls?
unidentified
He has, and he said with their mother's permission is what he says.
alex jones
I think so.
All I can do is be honest.
Just like I think three-year-olds coming up and giving money to big fat dudes.
What if they look great?
Some of the trainees at the...
Wrong word.
Oh, God, I'll be banned.
Arrested in California.
Jesus.
I don't care.
I'm not putting people down.
I'm allowed to use words in English language, okay?
What do you call it?
unidentified
Transsexuals.
Some of the transsexuals look like really good-looking women.
alex jones
I'm not...
The point is, I'm like asking, the people at the Drag Queen Festival, that their words, their name, I'm allowed to have free speech, stop censoring me.
dan friesen
No one is.
unidentified
They were like 350 pounds.
alex jones
I'd be like, I was wearing a damn wig and shaking my ass.
It don't look good.
But I have a right to critique it and give my deal.
Yeah.
And then you had kids up there giving money to them.
It was sick.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
That's like four, five, six-year-olds doing it.
jordan holmes
Dan is reading all of his machines off the list.
alex jones
Guys with nothing on, naked, with glitter on their vaginitals.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's bad.
I appreciate a good glittery genital.
dan friesen
Vaginital?
It also is not real.
That's not what's in the video.
No.
There's no glittery dicks flying around at these kids.
There's not.
I'm not saying!
jordan holmes
That it's a bad idea?
dan friesen
The Drag Queen Festival is like a big official thing.
In the evening they had 18 and over drag shows.
And during the day they had like workshops and stuff.
And they conveniently went and took video of the daytime workshop type stuff or meet and greets.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And then pretended that it was part of a...
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
It's just...
I mean, it's a shit game.
Yeah.
Again, he can't talk about Roy Moore without...
Jumping off the issue.
jordan holmes
I love Rob Dew coming in and saying something that Alex was not prepared to deal with.
Alex was hoping Rob Dew would be like, you know what?
He never actually said that.
And Alex would be like, yeah, see?
Everybody's lying.
And Rob Dew instead does not rescue him and just goes, oh yeah, that dude's a motherfucking creep.
Did you know that?
dan friesen
So Alex knocks the desk.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
I think it's creepy.
jordan holmes
Gonna have to...
What am I gonna say about that?
dan friesen
Creepy.
jordan holmes
I actually think that is creepy.
Maybe that's a crime, but I can't say that.
dan friesen
I better pivot to drag queens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
My audience will love that.
jordan holmes
Saved it.
dan friesen
This next clip, it starts with...
jordan holmes
He would definitely win.
You get out of this.
alex jones
He'd get deeper.
jordan holmes
He got out of it in one sentence.
dan friesen
He'd get deeper into it.
Well, I don't know.
Can you get out of it?
jordan holmes
Can you dig your way to China is what you just said.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
Is what we're talking about.
dan friesen
Can you dig your way out of a stand-up mess by confusing the audience?
Because if so, then Alex would be like the Ken Jennings of the show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But otherwise, I'm not sure.
So this starts with him admitting that he's drinking booze.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then the end of this clip is just labeled, uh-oh.
I don't know.
I don't remember why.
alex jones
I got home tonight and I did deserve this Pinot Noir from Oregon.
That's on my mind.
And I guess you could say I'm into Red Ladies because it's really good and it tastes great.
That's what I got on my mind.
That's the thing.
I'm brought up as a classical liberal.
I believe in Americana.
And I say do whatever you want, including to commit suicide.
I don't support suicide.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I don't think you should commit suicide.
But if you want to kill yourself, go ahead and do it.
I don't want the government getting involved in making people die.
That's a different deal.
They can kind of mix those issues.
But I'm the guy that got arrested by George W. Bush twice.
And I'm not here trying to beat my bona fides or my credentials to the left.
You guys are just the modern fascists.
And I've gone off the rails.
unidentified
But to people that are really thinking...
jordan holmes
We have finally come to agreement, Alex.
alex jones
I think it's both.
I think they've gotten a bunch of fake people to talk about Roy Moore and make up stuff that didn't happen and have fake yearbooks and all the rest of it.
jordan holmes
It is okay if Roy Moore commits suicide.
dan friesen
I didn't edit that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Like, that's just his brain.
jordan holmes
No, he just went straight to, and I think it's fine if you kill yourself, because I'm not going to say it.
dan friesen
I've struggled with suicide in the past.
jordan holmes
I've struggled with suicide in the past.
dan friesen
So he just jumps to that.
jordan holmes
I mean, I bet he really has.
unidentified
Oh, definitely.
jordan holmes
With his body dysmorphia issues.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's talked about being at the brink.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's like, I'm drinking red wine.
I love the red lady or whatever.
And then he's like, suicide is cool.
jordan holmes
I'll kill myself.
dan friesen
Suicide's fine, but not forcing people to have suicide.
Liberals are the fascists.
jordan holmes
Fucking Roy Moore.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then a little bit of a pause.
I think you got both.
You got people making stuff up, and then also he's creepy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so here's where we go from there.
This is Mike Down territory.
alex jones
Him and his own super southern way, until about 20, 30 years ago, older men were looking for a 16, 17-year-old woman who was 20 years younger, because that was your welfare.
You took care of her, but me, I can't tell you in the South, especially how many 9-year-old guys you see with a 7-year-old wife.
dan friesen
It's not the same.
alex jones
We're an 80-year-old guy with a 50-year-old wife, you know.
Not the same.
Not my family.
My dad's a year younger than my mom.
My second wife, who I love to death, is four years younger than me.
My first wife was four years older than me.
I mean, I'm attracted to women.
I see the beauty, you know, of an 18-year-old woman.
dan friesen
And so there...
jordan holmes
Could have stopped.
dan friesen
Could have stopped at any point.
jordan holmes
Could have just stopped.
Could have been like, I'm attracted to women.
Full stop.
dan friesen
To his credit, he doesn't elaborate.
Like, you kind of expect him to fall into a pit of his own making there with the, I see the beauty in an 18-year-old.
jordan holmes
I have been waiting for him to hit the argument of like, well, you know.
We're genetically supposed to reproduce after puberty, so it's really kind of just, look, if you believe in evolution, maybe you should believe...
Like, that's what I've been waiting for the hammer to drop this whole time.
dan friesen
He doesn't believe in evolution.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's what I was thinking, is he would be like, you liberal hypocrites think you believe in evolution.
Well, evolution theory, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm sorry I told you to put the mic down for that.
That was the wrong clip.
This next clip is where the mic needs to go down.
This is a mess.
This is a continuation of the thoughts.
jordan holmes
You're going to say that for the rest of the clips to get me to shut up.
dan friesen
I promise.
To his credit, he doesn't descend into an 18-year-olds are beautiful or anything like that.
It's just a stray thought.
jordan holmes
They're perky.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying, Rob?
unidentified
It transitions into this.
alex jones
No, listen, I want to be clear.
Judge Roy Moore comes off like a good man.
He's got a good history until now.
It's all suspects they can go get.
And Lord knows they're probably working on 10 women to make up stuff about me.
I know it's not true.
If anything, I was always shooting for older women.
You know, until I got to be my age, I am now.
And now I'm a woman like my wife.
unidentified
As a result of praying to God to open up the Red Sea for me.
dan friesen
Alex is drunk.
And he leaned on the computer and accidentally, like, hit the space bar, and it started playing the clip that he had on the computer.
And so, like, you hear Michael Savage's voice kick, and he just looks over at the computer, kind of scared, and he's like, buh.
He hits pause.
And so here we go.
alex jones
This happened.
But I've told my list.
Anyways.
unidentified
I'm about five years younger than me.
alex jones
But only because I found...
What I always learned growing up, I heard that women between about 35 and 40 are at the peak.
And so that's the issue there.
So I am looking.
I'm married, so I'm not looking.
But just to men out there, a little bit of advice for you.
That's the sweet spot.
It's 35 to 40. I've had a great half of that, too.
But let me tell you, I've obviously got four children.
I have not been celibate.
I have not joined the priesthood.
I just always wonder what they're going to make up, you know?
dan friesen
I do, too.
I wonder.
jordan holmes
I wonder what they're going to tell the truth about.
dan friesen
I wonder, like, if you just told, like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones, headline.
A fuck?
dan friesen
Alex Jones, headline.
Creepy ramble about 35 to 40-year-old women.
jordan holmes
Hey, yeah, I have probably sexually assaulted some younger women.
Almost certainly.
dan friesen
But I like them old.
jordan holmes
At least 10. But let me tell you something.
Who I really want to sexually assault, and all of you out there who should sexually assault, 35 to 40. Because guess what?
dan friesen
Sweet spot.
jordan holmes
Sweet spot.
dan friesen
He has more to say about older women.
alex jones
When I was 16, I was shooting for 20. I mean, once I had older women, it was like, I hear about these 50 virgins or 57 virgins, and I'm like, these dudes obviously have my own women.
jordan holmes
Failed stand-up comedian.
alex jones
Dude, you're not looking for the virgins.
Let me give you a newsflash.
jordan holmes
Dana Gould bits from three years ago.
alex jones
I'm not going to get graphic here, but in my day, I'm looking for women that want it and are into it.
You know why?
Because they're into it.
And by the way, they're the ones that want to have babies.
They're the ones that want to live.
They're the ones that like to do things, art, passion, all of it.
God, I think about the Muslims.
And, you know, they're...
God Almighty.
dan friesen
So, God Almighty.
He weaves it into Islam there, but also just that fucking line.
The older women, they're the ones who want to live.
jordan holmes
They're the ones who want to live.
You know what I hate about dating younger women?
They all want to die.
They're all dying all the time.
dan friesen
This argument actually holds water with Lana Del Rey's first two albums.
Younger woman didn't want to live.
jordan holmes
Didn't want to live.
dan friesen
Born to die.
jordan holmes
That's what we know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, that's just, I mean, that's so creepy.
That's just next level creepy.
jordan holmes
Very creepy.
dan friesen
And the fact that where his mind goes from there is like, where am I going to take things?
Oh, Islam.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So then he talks a little bit more about Islam in this next clip.
alex jones
You talk about a monotheistic, oppressive, anti-family, anti-woman situation.
jordan holmes
I think he's got some sort of Alzheimer's syndrome.
alex jones
It's Orthodox Islam.
It's Wahhabist Islam.
And I just, I'm so threatened by it with three daughters.
Because, you know, I've got one son who's great, and I've got these daughters, and I just look at how smart they are, and I think, who is it that's going to be the real patriot?
Who is it that's going to really walk in my shoes?
All my children must compete for who I love!
I mean, you know, God, to act like I'm not for women, when I prefer the company of women, and you come around me in my private life, there's women around me.
This is Rob, a good friend of mine over here shooting a video, and he's got a big family as well.
He's got three sons and a daughter.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
That's very weird.
dan friesen
There's multiple weird things in that 35 seconds.
jordan holmes
You can't think that I'm not for women because I prefer the company of women.
dan friesen
Or there's women around me.
He claims to prefer the company of women.
jordan holmes
There were a lot of women around Charles Manson, too.
dan friesen
It's true.
It's very true.
There's a decreasing number of women around him at Infowars.
I will say that.
From everything I can tell over the years, there used to be a few of them, and now...
jordan holmes
There are fewer of them.
dan friesen
There's Rainbow Snatch, Millie Weaver.
jordan holmes
Are we counting her as two?
dan friesen
No, that's one.
And she's not there all that much.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
And then Leanne McAdoo...
jordan holmes
Because she's busy being a failed comedian.
dan friesen
Leanne McAdoo is basically just over Skype sometimes.
Right.
Never really in studio.
jordan holmes
Right.
She's Legolas, by the way.
dan friesen
Sure.
The only consistent woman I see there is Daria, his Russian translator lady.
That's the only person that is there all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
And she's just there to do Yakov Smirnov jokes to Alex off-air.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
In Russia, globalists.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are Jews!
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, Rabdu comes in, he talks about for a little bit how, like, when his daughter's got the croup cough, and whenever, you know, whenever she's got it, he just sits by her bedside, and he's like, would I do that with my sons?
No.
I tell them to suck it up.
I'm like, congratulations, you are raising your children differently based on gender.
And, uh, that's arbitrary.
And you're probably going to give your kids a complex.
jordan holmes
Oh, I...
Just the...
dan friesen
Suck it up, boy!
unidentified
Can we talk...
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
He thinks that a lot of his fear of Islam is based around what they're going to do to his daughters.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right.
Why isn't he more afraid of Roy Moore?
dan friesen
Because Roy Moore is in Alabama.
jordan holmes
Roy Moore is closer than Wahhabist Islam.
dan friesen
No, that's what you don't understand.
Roy Moore is in Alabama, Alex is in Texas, and Islam is everywhere.
It's at the pool store.
jordan holmes
That's true, it is at the pool store.
dan friesen
That's the perception that he has.
That's how he sees the world, so of course he's scared all the time.
Anybody who's not white could be an enemy.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
No, it's very bad.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's good.
dan friesen
It's very, very bad.
jordan holmes
I don't think I like that trait in people.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think it's bad.
dan friesen
I think it's called prejudice.
jordan holmes
Ah, I think that's the word for it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Rob Do talks about that, talks about his sort of family raising strategy, and then he says this that I think is super ironic.
unidentified
And they don't want you to be...
See, the thing is, the system tries to put barriers between you and your kids and tries to get the kids separate from the parents.
rob dew
And thinking that, oh, kids go upstairs and play their Xboxes, and mommy and daddy stay downstairs and watch HBO.
And that's not how it is in my house.
unidentified
We hang out with the kids until they go to bed, and the kids are hanging out with us until they go to bed.
rob dew
Unless we send them upstairs to clean their room or something.
jordan holmes
And play Xbox.
unidentified
You need more togetherness with families, not less togetherness.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with his point at the end there, but a good counterexample is when you're drunk at Alex Jones' house on a weeknight making a video with him.
I don't know where your kids are in this equation.
jordan holmes
They already went to bed.
They go to bed at 5.30.
I don't know if he mentioned that.
dan friesen
That could be true.
Probably playing Xbox while you're drunk with Alex doing a weird commercial for a commercial.
jordan holmes
I don't get...
Do they just think it's impossible for people they disagree with to share similar values?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't think there's any hardcore liberal parent that I can think of who'd be like, no!
dan friesen
Fuck the kids.
jordan holmes
We need less togetherness with our children.
We're not worried about our kids at all.
But they have to say that.
Otherwise, they don't get to take ownership of any kind of family values.
Right.
dan friesen
They own the space if they pretend that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, a lot of it, too, is like, let's be abundantly clear.
Alex Jones and Rob Dew are incredibly privileged people.
They have a lot of money from this pill scam they're running and have been for years.
Right.
A lot of times, the families that don't have a lot of togetherness...
jordan holmes
Oh boy, it's probably a single parent working two jobs.
dan friesen
It's often that.
Or even if you have two parents in the household...
jordan holmes
They're both working jobs.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Multiple jobs.
dan friesen
And it's incredibly difficult.
So this perception of what you're judging, a lot of it comes down to like...
Their rejection of white privilege and male privilege and that sort of stuff is kind of, it's not understandable, but I get where it comes from.
There's a pride and ego that comes into it that they can't accept those things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is just clear blindness.
This is just clear, I don't care about other people's realities.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And, great.
It's also a complete rejection of the idea that It could have shaken out any other way.
Their lives?
Yeah.
They can't possibly understand that they themselves could have been born to somebody in a different situation and have had fewer opportunities or no opportunities and have been stuck in that situation and have had to deal with a separate reality.
dan friesen
Alex Jones 100% would have been in prison.
If his dad wasn't a rich dentist.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And able to move him around and stuff like that.
There's no way based on the...
jordan holmes
If Alex Jones was black, he would be dead.
dan friesen
I don't doubt that for a second.
jordan holmes
There's a huge possibility that he would be dead.
dan friesen
At like 13. Yeah.
I have almost no doubt of it.
But be that as it may, it's fun because he and Rob do get to get drunk and talk about other people's lives and implicitly judge them like a bunch of dickholes.
But they are doing this live, and so they're periodically checking the comments, and an interesting comment comes in.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
People are asking if we're drunk.
We just got back 30 minutes ago.
This is our first drink.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Where's your glass of wine?
unidentified
Mine's over here.
I finished mine.
alex jones
Go over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
Clink.
I don't...
My drinks don't sit down that much.
Yeah, we're totally bombed.
alex jones
If we seem a little relaxed, we have a long day.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm dead certain of it, Alex.
I'm sure.
But you probably did have a long day.
But I also don't believe that's your first drink.
No.
It might be your first glass of wine, but I bet you were drinking at the office.
Yeah.
We've seen so many instances of him.
There was that one marathon where he got done with his show, and then they had the Robin Owen show before the War Room existed.
And they came on right after him.
And not an hour after he got off his show, He barged into their show and started yelling at them, like, clearly drunk at, like, 6 in the afternoon.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's just a good day.
dan friesen
We just got back 30 minutes ago.
We can't be drunk, possibly.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
And I think Rob Dew probably had to drive or something like that.
Holds his booze better.
Something along those lines.
But Alex, that's not first drink.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he drinks with his kids.
That's why Rob Dew is so good at it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's why his kids go to bed so early.
dan friesen
So, in the next clip, I'm going to skip it because Alex is just pretending that YouTube is now demonetizing liberal channels.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he gives the, like, didn't you see this coming when it happened to us?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wants to be the...
The first group in the I didn't speak up when they came for a break.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But he's misrepresenting history.
They've been demonetizing all sorts of channels.
jordan holmes
Right, and it's not YouTube.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's U2.
dan friesen
The band?
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're demonetizing liberal channels now.
Didn't you know that?
dan friesen
I did not know that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how they paid for the iTunes album that downloaded directly to your phone.
dan friesen
That is...
That is a scandal.
jordan holmes
I don't know why people aren't talking about it.
dan friesen
Really desperately trying to come up with a U2 song title to make a joke.
jordan holmes
Two things I know about Bono.
Short.
Love stealing money from liberal channels on YouTube.
unidentified
Pop.
dan friesen
That's one of her songs.
jordan holmes
That's what you got?
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight.
Not huge fans of U2.
dan friesen
On my path to making that joke, the streets had no names.
Not good.
Anyway, Alex is just pretending that whole thing when liberal channels had been being demonetized in the exact time frame that he had been.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
So we talk a little bit about the marathon here in this next clip.
alex jones
To get serious, we were talking about another 34-hour broadcast, and then I just thought, you know, well, dude thought, he said, we're out doing some work this afternoon, and he said, why don't we just do a whole other show instead of waiting once a year?
Or twice a year.
Let's just do it all the time.
And I said, you know what?
Yeah, let's just hire a bunch of talk show hosts and just see what happens and just get it going.
Let's go 24 hours a day right now.
Because, I mean, if they've had all these articles in the Washington Post and the New York Times and...
And everywhere.
And Vice saying, oh, we suck and we're nobody, but we're Russians.
And, you know, Drudge is a piece of shit.
Because he linked 20 times, it was actually 20 times more often than the Washington Post.
Imagine Drudge Report is the biggest website in the world.
Number two, technically, but biggest news site in the world.
Number two.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Overall.
jordan holmes
Doesn't actually write any news.
alex jones
like 20 plus times, like 21 times more to Washington Post than us.
And the Washington Post has articles owned by Bezos worth a hundred billion dollars.
So shut down drugs, shut down Jones.
They're Russians.
Just ban their free speech.
And it's like, Drudge is giving them most of their traffic.
unidentified
And you're like, Jesus, they don't care.
dan friesen
None of that accurately depicts reality.
jordan holmes
Also, are any of them saying, like, I haven't heard the narrative that he's...
A Russian agent from anybody but us, really.
dan friesen
I think it's projecting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it is.
jordan holmes
You think he's just revealing that he is a Russian agent?
dan friesen
In the same way that he has revealed that already in our exploration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean in this way he's like, they're saying that I'm a Russian agent.
They're saying that I'm terrible because I'm a Russian agent and I'm terrible.
dan friesen
There have been articles in the past.
There was that one recently in BuzzFeed about how he just copies RT articles.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then there was articles in the past about how...
There are investigations into the traffic patterns and stuff like that of sites like Breitbart.
jordan holmes
The ones that he revealed for himself.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so there are...
No one is saying he's a Russian agent, but people are saying that he's disseminating Russian talking points and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
He's a Russian propagandist.
Or an agent of the Russians.
dan friesen
The conversation in those articles, which he doesn't read, just reads headlines, the conversations have always been the investigations need to or seek to figure out or hope to figure out if there's coordination.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No one really knows that.
No one's making that accusation other than us.
Probably.
So maybe he's listening.
Anyway, we got one more clip left, and it's creepy as shit.
So, I don't know if you know about this, but the right-wing internet is really a buzz, and has been for a long time, about Joe Biden groping children.
Do you know about this?
jordan holmes
I did not know about that.
dan friesen
There's a number of videos of Joe Biden grabbing kids.
But not in a sexual way or anything like that, but whenever there's pictures being taken in the Oval Office.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there's one that is actually kind of upsetting, where he's, like, grabbing a girl's arm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I don't know anything about this.
It made me slightly uncomfortable, but at the same time, you know, there are people who don't know how they're touching people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not groping.
It's not like, I'm gonna get under that blouse, or anything like that.
And that being said, if it is the case that these kids feel that way, I am on their side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, somebody should probably say something to him.
dan friesen
If that is the case and these kids feel like they are being assaulted or something like that, then by all means, I'm not here to stand up for Joe Biden.
I don't care.
unidentified
But...
Again, we're not playing team sports.
jordan holmes
If you're, look, if you're Al Franken, yeah, you fucking did it.
unidentified
Go.
dan friesen
Hit the bricks.
jordan holmes
You did it.
dan friesen
That's that.
But at the same time, there aren't accusations that are made.
There are just people who have videos that they're being like, oh, look at him.
Look at him.
That sort of stuff.
And in the one that Alex Jones and Rob do decide to discuss, it's something that's on YouTube where...
Jeff Sessions swatted away Joe Biden's hand and, like, get away from her, you creep.
Like, that sort of thing.
Trying to imply that everyone knows he groats his children.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And Jeff Sessions was big enough to stand up to him.
jordan holmes
And Jeff Sessions was more like, this one's mine!
dan friesen
Well, here, I'll play this and then I'll explain what actually happens.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right, here we go.
Sessions swats his hand away.
Good man.
Jeff knows...
This is classic.
All right, there's Sessions right there.
Watch.
Get your hand away, Joe.
Come on over here.
Watch.
Let's see that again.
Back.
Look at Joe.
Look at him like a shark.
Look at his face.
I'm going to get this girl.
Let me get my hand in there.
Get your hand away, Joe.
You fucking demon.
He does.
alex jones
He literally waves him away from home.
unidentified
Literally.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Rob Dew's getting the creepy voice down.
He's really taking Alex's lead on that one.
dan friesen
And that's like two drunk bros end of the night watching YouTube videos and be like, you see this fucking skate fall?
Oh, gnarly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But if you watch the video that they're playing, because they play it on Rob Dew's phone, and you can go watch it.
jordan holmes
Riveting.
Riveting production values.
dan friesen
So what they're actually watching is there is a child who needs to be not where she is.
She needs to be a couple feet over to the side for pictures to be taken, and Joe Biden is coming in to usher her over to where the pictures need to be taken.
There's no audio.
I would assume that he realizes that Jeff Sessions is crouching behind her.
And he's like, eh, he's got this.
And so he is walking up to her and then he's like, eh, whatever.
And just walks to where the picture is going to be taken.
The hand swatting is absolutely not hand swatting.
It's Jeff Sessions trying to straighten out or get lint out of the girl's hair.
And how you know that's clear is because he is basically stroking her hair and does so after Joe Biden has already walked away.
jordan holmes
That raises a whole new host of questions.
dan friesen
If the girl had lint in her hair, it's not like stroking.
jordan holmes
I know, I know!
dan friesen
It's two waves, it's two passes.
jordan holmes
I wasn't going that direction.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I'm not immediately accusing Jeff Sessions of being a pedophile and a creep.
dan friesen
You're not Mike Cernovich.
jordan holmes
I'm assuming he's a pedophile and a creep.
dan friesen
He's definitely a creep.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, in that situation, how can you really misinterpret that so confidently?
Like, with them, like, if you can see that you watched it, you didn't watch it like the Zapruder film, you watched it one time and you were like, oh, this is clearly what's happening.
dan friesen
I watched it twice because they played it twice.
But the clear indication for me is if he was swatting the hand away, once Joe Biden is gone, there's no reason to do another swat.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which, to me, indicates either, either an incredible presence of mind where he's like...
I'm going to swat his hand away, but it's a cover because I know people are videotaping this.
I'm going to do it again, which is not the case.
No.
Anybody who's watching that who doesn't have a vested interest in trying to create some sort of a narrative would say, like, oh, that's...
jordan holmes
If Sessence actually did that, he would be using that video to fundraise.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Like, that's exactly how that would go.
Look at what Jeff Sessions will do.
He'll fight for you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He would do that instantly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I protected this child.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's so clear.
I can't stress this enough.
The timing of the second wipe is after Joe Biden walked away.
This is pathetic propaganda.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And again, there are other videos, like grabbing that girl's arm pretty tightly, it appears, that are like...
Make me uncomfortable, and I'm not defending the big picture.
I'm defending this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm attacking Alex Jones' narrative less than...
jordan holmes
But they clearly see what they want to see.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Confidently.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, that's kind of the interesting thing for me.
dan friesen
Well, they're drunk.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's true.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, that's not why.
jordan holmes
And Rob Doe's narration is not good.
I do not appreciate that at all.
dan friesen
Get out of there, you fucking demon.
jordan holmes
Get out of there, you fucking demon.
dan friesen
Thinks he's in a movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Gross.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
These guys are just gross people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They like to dwell in these things.
The relishing of these sort of narratives and the way Alex launches feet first into whenever he does the trapped in basements narratives and fantasies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, his bondage fantasies.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just...
I mean, it doesn't prove anything, but it's gross.
It's...
I'm of two minds of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Start mind.
Well, the first is the least reasonable, and that is that there are deep-seated, aggressive fantasies that Alex is sort of living out on the show when he gets into that voice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's possible, but it's less likely that it's that, and it's more likely that he realizes the power of the fear of those things, and he's just using it...
Like, his favorite weapon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it does evoke all sorts of dirty, scared feelings, especially about...
He brings up kids so often.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have a natural urge and drive to protect children, and so subverting that drive is a really powerful way to get people on your side.
jordan holmes
Well, it is telling that he is so delighted by it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the weirdest...
He does not have any empathy for the victim.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And instead, every time someone is victimized by what he perceives as his enemy, he takes delight in describing all the things that you would be afraid of from this person.
He enjoys it when these people are victimized.
dan friesen
But you could still argue, I think, that he's delighted by realizing how effectively it's going to move super male vitality.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
I absolutely agree with your second mind, is my point.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably just a crass...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, Alex...
jordan holmes
And also a complete lack of empathy.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
But that's taken as read.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
We've already established many a time over he is a psychopath.
dan friesen
So, Alex and Rob Dew got drunk, sat down, and decided they were going to make a commercial for a marathon commercial, wherein they accidentally say a bunch of really fucked up stuff about Roy Moore.
They...
Alex rambles about his wife and how he likes older women.
jordan holmes
Season finale of Get Yourself Out of This, we just played this entire clip, and then...
dan friesen
Good luck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
My favorite part about it, though, and I can't stress this enough, is Alex is constantly playing with that switchblade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it is a child.
It's a child's behavior, a child's mind.
Like, I got this toy.
jordan holmes
I don't necessarily...
Look.
For me to judge that with all of my playing around with a pen and moving my leg situation.
dan friesen
You're not stabbing at the camera.
jordan holmes
I know, but I'm twirling my pen.
I've got to do all of this stuff.
dan friesen
You're not fascinated by weapons.
jordan holmes
No, it is not weapons.
It is not weapons.
That's true.
dan friesen
Anyway, I got one last out of context drop before we wrap this up.
alex jones
Prove to be Russian, baby.
I've got Texas flag on my ass.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
It'd be fun if he had a Roger Stone tattoo on his ass.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
That would be amazing.
That would be great.
I one-upped you, Roger.
I mean, he has enough of these drunk nights with Rob Dew.
They're going to double dare each other to do something.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
They're going to get a tattoo of Roger Stone's back with Richard Nixon's tattoo on it.
dan friesen
Tattoo of Roger Stone's back, but instead of the Nixon tattoo, it's Alex Jones.
He's repurposing.
Like, I got a tattoo of you with a tattoo of me on your back.
jordan holmes
Like Trump in the Fake Time magazine cover?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's the thing?
dan friesen
It's like one of those optical illusions.
Anyway, this has been fun.
jordan holmes
If you let your eyes go out of focus, you see both Nixon and Alex Jones at the same time.
dan friesen
So terrifying.
jordan holmes
And a sailboat.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Schooner.
Yeah.
So, if you'd like to check us out, we have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
We do.
There's a bunch of writing content there.
jordan holmes
You fucking redesigned it, and you've really started kicking ass on the explanation of what Rob's doing on any given day.
dan friesen
I don't pay attention to Rob every day.
jordan holmes
No, fuck Rob.
What Alex is doing on any given day.
You've really written some great stuff.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And if you'd like to enjoy that, we would appreciate it.
If you check that out, share it on Facebook.
Help get the word out.
jordan holmes
Follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
unidentified
It's just knowledge fight.
jordan holmes
And if you want to tell Charles Bethea to go fuck himself, please feel free to do that.
I'm still mad about that.
dan friesen
You've got a rivalry going.
jordan holmes
I'm so mad at that.
dan friesen
See if you can get a rap-style beef feud going.
We're on iTunes.
jordan holmes
You can go to iTunes.
You can download it.
You can write a review.
You could read some reviews.
There have been...
dan friesen
Some great reviews.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've had some very nice people.
dan friesen
I also realize now I again forgot to give a shout out to the policy wonks that have donated.
We'll do that next episode.
jordan holmes
We're going to have to do that at the beginning of the episode, Dan.
God damn it.
dan friesen
Keep forgetting.
Sorry about that.
We got lost in a weird riff at the top of the show.
jordan holmes
That was a significant riff at the top.
dan friesen
Yep.
Anyway, we appreciate it.
If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can by going to our website, knowledgefight.com.
Click support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
There's another way you can become a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I know a couple of ways.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
What's your way?
jordan holmes
Here's my way.
To become a policy wonker.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay, go outside and then say something to this horrible man with this huge, hideous beard.
dan friesen
I understand that you...
jordan holmes
Gandalf the Grey, back when he was the Stormcrow.
dan friesen
You're just trying to show off now.
jordan holmes
What else could I do?
dan friesen
I understand with this guy that if you just scream at the sky, he'll hear you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I understand that.
jordan holmes
And if you do that, we will also hear you.
And you shall become a policy wonk.
And what is it that you must scream into the sky, Dan?
dan friesen
It is this man's name with an offensive thing said before it.
Fuck you, John Rappaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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