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Sept. 29, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
01:36:25
#87: Mark Richards Revisited

Today, Dan and Jordan take a break from talking about Alex Jones because there is big news in the world: Project Camelot's Kerry Cassidy took a 7th visit to "interview" Mark Richards (either a Space Command pilot or responsible for a murder, depending on who you ask). Tune in to catch up on Raptor News, learn about the AI spacecraft known as Minerva, and discover the secrets of the Spider Leadership.

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dan friesen
52:38
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jordan holmes
25:59
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kerry cassidy
15:11
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alex jones
00:03
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Is there a twist that would make you listen to this dumb show?
dan friesen
There is.
jordan holmes
Why would anybody want to listen to two dudes talk about Alex Jones?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't.
jordan holmes
Full stop.
unidentified
I don't.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
I appreciate that everyone does listen.
jordan holmes
End of the podcast forever.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I guess there's a possibility that the twist is that we're sane-ish.
We're mentally ill, but sane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're mentally ill in the right way to cover a mentally ill person.
dan friesen
We've not lost touch with reality, but at the same time...
We have had explorations into being crazy.
And we can empathize and identify with what a lunatic like Alex Jones interprets the world as being.
So we both sort of straddle sanity and insanity in a way that, let's say, I don't know, a lot of other mainstream media outlets can't.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
They don't really wrestle with, like, well, here's what's really going on.
Someone is trying to...
Alex is trying to express...
Right.
jordan holmes
And they can't process that, so they just show the crazy funny shit, and they can't really show the danger.
dan friesen
And I think that people are too afraid of the idea that saying he needs help and he's hurting is somehow validating him.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I think that that's a criticism that I have in my own head a lot of our show, that we're like...
We're giving him an excuse by saying that he's nuts.
And that's not the case.
jordan holmes
Frankly, you can say that about every white supremacist.
They are crazy, they are hurting, and they do need help.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And part of that help is getting punched in the face as much as humanly possible.
dan friesen
They knock the fuck out.
jordan holmes
And you know a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's the twist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, I want to be perfectly clear with you.
Our investigation...
jordan holmes
No, please be vague and opaque.
dan friesen
All right.
Something has happened.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Perfect.
You nailed it.
My investigation into 2015 has hit a little bit of a snag.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In that I am losing interest in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We've been doing it a long time.
dan friesen
We have.
It's gone on too long, and it's getting to the point where in November of 2015, it's just boring.
It's getting to the point where episodes are very repetitive, and Alex is in a holding pattern, and I need to find something that really matters that we can cover.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And at this point, I'm just, I'm not hitting it.
And so...
jordan holmes
Maybe that's another huge part of the, you know, it's Russia, it's propaganda, it's that he's a white supremacist, but also, there's nothing interesting else for him to talk about, really.
dan friesen
Yeah, because...
jordan holmes
Like, he has to take an angle on the election.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, like, right at where we are in the investigation is right when...
The Bala clan attack happens in France.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So he sends Paul Joseph Watson and Joe Biggs to France.
jordan holmes
They don't belong anywhere near France.
dan friesen
They do these reports where they're in France and they're saying weird stuff and then they don't prove it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They go to Belgium and it's like...
jordan holmes
The Eiffel Tower is made of candy!
dan friesen
Prove it.
Lick it.
But they go to...
They go to Belgium and apparently enter a Muslim no-go area for white people, and they don't have video of it.
They just say that they went there.
And then, in a real funny thing, Alex is like, Paul, you've got to go back and get video.
You have to go back and just get video.
And Paul Joseph Watson's like, nope.
It's great.
So then Joe Biggs is saying that he's being followed around by a van of Muslims, and he's like, I don't believe you.
You've done this before.
You said that the cartel was chasing you in South Texas.
And if that was happening, you wouldn't be back.
jordan holmes
No, you would not have a head or hands anymore.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And the same thing is true of, like, if there are Muslim no-go areas where you're threatened for going just because you're white, and you're going around and you're being journalistic, and then a bunch of these Muslim gangsters, as they would say, start following you around, you're not going to just be like...
You're either going to get fucking footage of them following you around, or they're going to attack you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And at no point does that happen.
jordan holmes
He just watched Gangs of New York and was like, I bet this would work over here.
dan friesen
It's just horse shit, and it's the most predictable thing.
And the coverage of it is disgraceful, but it's also boring at the same time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So we could do a whole episode about his coverage of the France attacks, but most of it is, hey...
Look, I sent Joe Biggs to France.
We're a legitimate news outlet.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And give us...
jordan holmes
I'm not...
I don't mean to brag.
dan friesen
And give me money.
It's expensive to send people to France.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When they're not doing shit.
jordan holmes
They're on vacation.
It's not that expensive either.
dan friesen
It's not.
It's a couple hundred bucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, it just...
It sucks.
jordan holmes
I mean, they probably got an Airbnb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sleeping in the same bed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so after that, a little bit after that is the San Bernardino attack.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And, I mean, it's just the same thing.
jordan holmes
Just Muslim baiting.
dan friesen
Muslim baiting.
And it's on this, it's just becoming a cycle for him of, like, him trying to, like, we gotta talk to friends of these people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, you didn't want to talk to friends of Dylann Roof.
Like, it's just very clear what's going on.
It's just, it bores me.
And it's not productive to...
Our exploration of why he signed up with Trump outside of, like, okay, maybe his fear of Muslims had a part in him joining up with Trump.
But at the same time, we've already decided that.
It's not like us going through this over and over and over again and ruining the entertainment value of our show is really worth it.
jordan holmes
But see, that's what I'm saying.
Maybe another factor in that is...
He's bored.
dan friesen
Yeah, Buckley.
jordan holmes
In the same way that we're bored.
dan friesen
Buckley pulled aside and is like, you gotta fucking boost this up.
jordan holmes
I mean, then you start screaming 1776 2.0 and all of a sudden, wow, now we got some spice in this.
dan friesen
Right.
And we're like, where we are in the investigation is like...
Maybe two, three weeks from when Trump ends up being on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so what I might do is fast forward to when Trump is on the show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And pick up from there and see what happens.
jordan holmes
We'll talk a little bit about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Although I just don't ever want to hear his voice again.
dan friesen
I don't care.
You might have to.
You've got to pay the cost to be the boss.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
As they say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As Snoop Dogg says.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we have to do an episode.
I mean, that's a bad way to put it.
We love to do an episode.
But I don't want to do that investigation stuff.
So here is an out of context drop.
kerry cassidy
He said that they will kill for anything they want, including chocolate.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Yes!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Including chocolate?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
They're going to kill for anything?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Goddamn you, Dan, I love you.
dan friesen
The raptors will kill you for chocolate.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're back in raptor territory?
Fuck yes!
dan friesen
All right.
It turns out...
As we're recording this, it's Saturday the 23rd of September 2017.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Three days ago.
jordan holmes
This is a victory cigarette, by the way.
dan friesen
Three days ago, Carrie Cassidy posted an update about Captain Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
She went back to the prison.
jordan holmes
Did she listen to our show?
dan friesen
She might have.
She went back to the prison.
And had a seventh interview with him.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And she posted the results of that interview, and we got a lot to go over.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
dan friesen
We got a lot of new information about Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Weigh in.
Weigh in.
dan friesen
So, for those of you who haven't listened to all of our episodes, we sometimes, when we can't take Alex Jones anymore, we have to drift into the fun world.
Of Project Camelot, which is a website and video series of interviews run by Carrie Cassidy, where she sits down with legitimately insane people who lie to her.
And that's basically it.
They lie to her about secret space programs.
jordan holmes
And by all that I have heard, she is such a sweet lady and believes all of this shit with her whole heart.
dan friesen
She seems nice.
Yeah.
So, if you didn't hear the episode that's prelude to this, Captain Mark Richards, as Carrie calls him, is a gentleman who was a part of the secret space program.
He was inducted because his dad, the Dutchman...
jordan holmes
Just recapping this makes me feel so good.
dan friesen
He saved the world from destruction for 50 years.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And then his son went to prison because he was framed for a murder he did not commit, though in the real world...
jordan holmes
He totally did it.
dan friesen
He did all that shit.
Well, he didn't do it himself, but he had a couple of teens that were under his influence, that were under his sway, and he got this teen who was working in his construction crew to murder a guy.
Who owed him money.
jordan holmes
Again, listen to the dollop episode about Mark Richards.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
It's called The Pendragon, if you want to find it more easily.
Oh, also, I want to give a shout-out.
We talked about this on one episode, and then in the next episode after that...
We talked about how Alex Jones was wrong about the guy who played Crocodile, or the real Crocodile Dundee.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it was brought to my attention that there's a dollop about that guy, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So check that out, too.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And just listen to the dollop.
It's a great fucking podcast.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Very good.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody has heard about the dollop who listens to us.
dan friesen
No, we got a tweet from our friend Chris.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
That said we turned him on to the dollop.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, hey, look, they're much bigger than us.
jordan holmes
We're big fans.
dan friesen
They're much bigger than us.
They could turn people on to us, maybe.
Anyway, who cares?
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
What'd you say?
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I thought you said all right.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
So, Mark Richards definitely is responsible for the death of this guy, and he's been in prison for 30 years.
He has a wife named Joanne Richards, who goes out on the UFO circuit and repeats the lies that he tells her as his narrative about the secret space program and how he's friends with an alien race called the Raptors, who are allegedly good and doing war with the Reptoids and Reptilians.
jordan holmes
Though, since he is actually evil, we or I believe that the Raptors are evil.
And the Reptoids are good.
dan friesen
It's difficult to say.
jordan holmes
Upside down.
dan friesen
I will say that based on our out of context drop, if the Raptors are going to kill you for chocolate, they're not good guys.
jordan holmes
They're not good guys.
dan friesen
Because it's very available.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Chocolate is all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Although, while we're on the topic of chocolate, I need to give a real serious fuck you to Eminem.
jordan holmes
You were texting me about M&M's last night.
unidentified
I was.
jordan holmes
Apparently white chocolate ain't the way to go.
dan friesen
No.
I love novelty stuff, like limited time only candies and stuff like that.
And so whenever M&M's come out with something, I get excited.
Because the caramel M&M's are great.
Pretzel M&M's, when they first came around, were hot fire.
They're still good.
Peanut butter M&M's are great.
Of course, the classic peanut, but that's never going away.
jordan holmes
Of course, no.
It's perfect.
It's a perfect snack.
dan friesen
So I get excited whenever Eminem is like, check this out.
jordan holmes
Whenever Eminem is like, check this out?
He did drop a new track.
dan friesen
No, come on now.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But whenever they...
All right.
All right.
Whenever something new from Eminem's comes out, I'm like, I'm going to have to do this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So lately they've really been fucking it up.
Like strawberry nut.
jordan holmes
Those were disgusting.
I tried those.
Horrific.
dan friesen
It was a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What is this, Japan?
What are you putting tea in my M&Ms?
Come on now.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of those weird flavored ones with nuts are a disaster.
jordan holmes
Although I would love a mochi-flavored M&M.
That'd be good.
dan friesen
Listen, my point is that the white chocolate one is an unmitigated train wreck, and I do not recommend it.
And if a fucking raptor killed me for them, I would be like...
jordan holmes
Oh, that's our new novelty beverage.
We're two guys who like to sit around and talk about Alex Jones and eat novelty M&Ms.
dan friesen
I feel like that would come into us chewing on mics a little bit.
jordan holmes
Disgusting.
dan friesen
Yeah, so let's not go down that road just yet.
jordan holmes
When we run out of beverages.
dan friesen
Let's go down this other road, which is Carrie Cassidy.
jordan holmes
Dan, I love you.
dan friesen
Just giving us some updates about her seventh visit.
To Mark Richards in prison.
Here is her introduction to the video.
kerry cassidy
Hi everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
dan friesen
Yeah, you are.
kerry cassidy
Today I'm going to be giving you my total recall verbally of the kind of information I got from Mark Richards.
So this is a prisoner that I go and interview in Vacaville, California.
And he's at a prison there.
And he has been framed for a murder he didn't commit.
He's what we call a political prisoner.
dan friesen
Just like Irwin Schiff.
kerry cassidy
His name is Captain Mark Richards.
And he's worked in the secret space program along with his father and grandfather.
unidentified
The judgment!
kerry cassidy
So he is a third generation, I guess you might say.
dan friesen
You might, if you are lying.
jordan holmes
Earth defense royalty, so to speak.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He's a legacy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You could get into Harvard with that pedigree.
jordan holmes
Not Harvard.
unidentified
No.
No.
jordan holmes
MIT, of course.
dan friesen
He's been in prison since he was 29, because that's around when the murder happened, the Pendragon murder.
And also, we left off the part where he also wanted to take over Marin County, California.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
He had a plan to blow up the...
dan friesen
The Golden Gate Bridge and another bridge and have laser weapons.
So he's great.
God.
So I feel at this point, before we get into the meat of what...
He lied to Carrie about this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel the need to defend ourselves for, like, why is this relevant to our podcast?
Why is it, you know, we need to take breaks from Alex.
That's understood.
Why do you go to Project Camelot?
Here are some of the reasons that I have.
One, there's a very high overlap in guests.
There are a bunch of people.
Who go on Alex Jones, who are also on Project Camelot.
jordan holmes
Alexander Dugan believes in Reptors.
dan friesen
He probably does.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he does.
dan friesen
You have people like Leo Zagami.
He's on both.
You have people like, I can't remember his name now, but that guy who went on Alex's show and talked about Robert David Steele.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now he talks about Mars bases.
You have, being on both of them, David Icke.
jordan holmes
How about Stubblebine?
dan friesen
I bet he's been on there.
I haven't looked through all of their archives.
jordan holmes
Ooh, man, I bet he has.
$30 for anti-vax cards.
dan friesen
You see a lot of similar faces between the two.
Jordan Maxwell is another conspiracy theory guy.
He's into aliens and shit.
He's been on both.
You just see a lot of overlap.
And the reason for that is because they're all con men.
They're all con people.
And in the case of Carrie Cassidy, I mostly believe that she's innocent of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, unlike Alex, who is deliberately inciting white supremacists to violence, Carrie is just like, the world is a fantastic and magical place, and I just wish more people knew that there was this secret...
Battle for the soul of humanity going on.
dan friesen
Because part and parcel of that in her mind is that there are friendly alien races.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
That can help us and bring us to the next level of evolution.
jordan holmes
The 11th dimension or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think that she is a...
I think she's an acid casualty, quite frankly.
I think she's a burnout.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's entirely possible.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that in the 70s she did a lot of drugs and now doesn't know what direction is up.
Right.
unidentified
And she's a sweet person and believes all this nonsense.
dan friesen
The people who are con men are...
unidentified
Go ahead.
dan friesen
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
Like, it is the same thing.
Yeah.
unidentified
It really is.
jordan holmes
There is a benign element to Carrie.
Like, she is a hopeful person.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, she believes that the world could be and will be a better place the more people know about this.
dan friesen
Yeah, and once you have...
jordan holmes
And, of course, once the wars on Mars end.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's when...
dan friesen
I'm not sure...
jordan holmes
She's really mad at the wars on Mars.
Less so about Afghanistan.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I can flash this up on screen, but she has a link on her website to a GoFundMe campaign for a guy named Pete Peterson, who's allegedly a whistleblower of some sort.
And he's raised $53,000 in a month.
Because he claims to have secret information about all kinds of secret military projects.
He did an interview with a guy named David Wilcock, and that's what has given tons of steam to this.
And you scroll down this GoFundMe...
You see, all proceeds will go directly to Pete Peterson via David Wilcock.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And that should give you some cause for concern.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's crazy?
We actually do have secret information, or at least public information that nobody's paying attention to.
dan friesen
You and I don't.
jordan holmes
No, I mean about all the crimes.
All the crimes.
dan friesen
Oh, about Larry Nichols' crimes?
jordan holmes
Yeah, all of the shit that we've talked about.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All of the...
dan friesen
No one cares.
jordan holmes
All of the support that...
Alex gives to white supremacy that nobody is talking about, and yet we can't get $53,000 on a GoFundMe.
dan friesen
No.
And I appreciate everybody who does donate.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And if you would like to donate...
jordan holmes
You guys are fucking heroes.
dan friesen
If you'd like to donate, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
But...
dan friesen
Look, the reason that I bring that up as relevant is that David Wilcock is a fucking huge con man, and he's running a con with this guy who's an alleged whistleblower and has raised $53,000 in a month.
This is the game that these guys are playing, and they're using Carrie Cassidy to do it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because she, for whatever reason, has built up quite an audience with this Project Camelot stuff.
She interviews people unquestioningly about sensational topics.
I mean, David Wilcox.
Do you know anything about David Wilcox?
jordan holmes
I do not.
dan friesen
Okay, so there's a psychic named Edgar Cayce back in the day.
He was called the sleeping...
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm down.
dan friesen
He was called the sleeping psychic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Oh, he's one of those guys.
Like automatic writing and that kind of thing?
dan friesen
More or less.
He would go to sleep, allegedly, and give people psychic readings.
And there was a lot of stuff about people having past lives in Atlantis.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then beyond that, there was also a bunch of...
You'd diagnose people's medical conditions while he was asleep.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
That's not great.
I don't like that.
dan friesen
I don't know if we can really fully figure out how accurate he was.
But it is interesting because all of his shit...
Was recorded.
Not like audio recorded, but there's transcripts of everything he did.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And so, like, you can go online if you want to spend a fucking month reading the sleepy dude talking.
But he died, and David Wilcock came around.
jordan holmes
And said that he was the reincarnated spirit of...
Oh, I knew it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I knew it!
dan friesen
He's Edgar Cayce reincarnated.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
What a great...
Dumb con.
dan friesen
And a lot of people are like, of course you are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, naturally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's just someone who I've looked into a bit in the past and be like, holy shit, this guy.
So he's running this Kickstarter, GoFundMe, for this other guy who has been on Project Camelot, who, you know, Carrie has put up a link.
To on the site.
It's just all elaborate fraud that's being done.
And that is relevant to Alex in at least some sense because I believe that this podcast, while it is primarily anti-fascism, anti-white supremacy, anti-capitalism at this point, all of these things, and anti-Alex Jones and what he stands for.
jordan holmes
And if you want to add what I'm anti towards, boy.
Gets wild.
dan friesen
But I mean the show itself, not you personally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But we're anti-globalism.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So we're against all of that.
jordan holmes
In a certain sense.
Not in the Alex Jones sense.
dan friesen
The bigger sense, too, we're against con men.
We're against fraud that appears largely in the right wing.
Because a lot of these other people are also pretty right-wing.
jordan holmes
You have to be dumb to be in the right wing.
dan friesen
Even though they're crazy and want to tell you all about aliens, they're also pretty right-wing.
jordan holmes
Obama's evil.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the unifying field theory behind a lot of these people.
dan friesen
Not a lot of the Project Camelot people, because a lot of it predates Obama, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
I'm guessing that a black president didn't excite them too much.
dan friesen
Didn't inspire confidence.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
So, let's get into it, and in this first clip...
Carrie Cassidy has some words about her interview with Mark Richards that have to do with what he thinks about Hillary.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
kerry cassidy
We talked about Hillary Clinton.
He's a fan.
He thought the real reason Trump won was because no one really liked Hillary.
jordan holmes
That's actually really smart.
kerry cassidy
He said she's not trusted.
He acknowledged she does report to Bush Sr. and also is supported by Soros.
But he does not think she's MJ-12, which is contrary to some other information I have been given about her.
So that was interesting.
And I have been told that MJ-12, which goes by many names, that she is quite high on the sort of totem pole and is quite in the know about that information.
He does not feel she's quite as read in as I do.
So for what that's worth, and then also says that he thinks there are a lot of John Wayne types in the military that don't like her, partially because of her, what he says, black magic, drug running with her husband Bill Clinton, and the pedophilia issue.
He thinks that she's evil and has failed trust issues.
He also thinks that she is backed by...
The black magic witch cults, as he called them, and the European Illuminati.
jordan holmes
That's straight InfoWars right there.
I bet he listens to InfoWars.
dan friesen
That's another thing that makes this very relevant, is that they are spouting very similar rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Mark Richards is an InfoWarrior, for sure.
dan friesen
I hope you don't get InfoWars in prison.
I hope.
I bet you do.
You know, she brings up Soros as a bad thing.
She's backed by Soros.
jordan holmes
Or at least Mark Richards does.
dan friesen
The narrative of the police and military are more woken up is...
That's straight out of Alex.
jordan holmes
John Wayne types.
dan friesen
John Wayne types.
jordan holmes
Masculine types.
dan friesen
Hillary Clinton is a witch.
That's Larry Nichols' shit that he spits on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Black magic.
dan friesen
Pedophilia.
jordan holmes
InfoWars all the way.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Globalists.
dan friesen
So that, like, fucking world that we dwell in with Alex Jones has creeped in now to our fun oasis.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
But thankfully, that's the only place where they talk about Hillary.
But I needed to bring that in because...
I mean, it is.
Crazy is crazy.
jordan holmes
Again, overlap.
dan friesen
Right.
But Alex would agree with these things.
jordan holmes
What is MJ-12?
Is she going to explain that?
dan friesen
She's not, but I can.
jordan holmes
I knew you could.
dan friesen
It's the Majestic 12. I'll just read you here.
In UFO conspiracy theories, Majestic 12, or MJ-12, is a codename of an alleged secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials.
jordan holmes
That is a bad...
Abbreviation.
If it's Majestic 12, you're MJ-12?
No.
Don't like it.
Don't like it.
Grammatically incorrect, Dan.
dan friesen
It was allegedly formed in 1947 by an executive order by U.S. President Harry S. Truman to facilitate recovery investigation of alien spacecraft.
The concept originated in a series of supposedly leaked secret government documents first circulated by ufologists in 1984.
Upon examination, the Federal Bureau of Investigation declared the documents to be, quote, completely bogus, and many ufologists consider them to be an elaborate hoax.
So that's what it is.
It's a fake organization.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it's fun.
jordan holmes
And 1947 was Roswell, right?
dan friesen
I believe so, yeah.
jordan holmes
Truman was the Roswell guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
According to a perfect Futurama episode.
dan friesen
Some people have actually done some interesting theorizing about these documents that came out.
And one of the things that this guy...
I'll read this here.
Scientific skeptic author Brian Dunning investigated the history of the subject and reported his findings in the 2016 Skeptoid podcast episode The Secret History of the Majestic 12. He concluded that rather than a hoax perpetrated by the UFO community...
It's likely the papers were actually part of a disinformation campaign of the U.S. government meant to deflect attention from secret Air Force projects.
Referring to the MJ-12 documents, Dunning states, quote, Boy, pretty easy to do all this shit, right?
jordan holmes
It's not as hard as you would hope.
dan friesen
So the theory is that these supposedly...
Classified leaked documents were fake, but they were released by the U.S. government in order to get people to start being paranoid.
jordan holmes
Instead of PEZ dispensers, they're UFO dispensers.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
But whatever the case is, it's not a real organization.
Of course not.
So it's batty.
jordan holmes
MG12 sounds like a really good movie theater, though.
I would go to the MJ12.
Probably buy booze there.
dan friesen
I like to keep my movie theaters eight screens or less.
I like small theaters.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
A little bit of personal information about Dan.
dan friesen
I spent like five years of my life working at the Forum 8 movie theater in Columbia, Missouri.
And so that's my top.
Eight is where I top out.
jordan holmes
Eight is enough.
dan friesen
Eight is enough.
In this next clip, if you'll recall, on our last time we visited Captain Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Last time on The Dutchman.
dan friesen
The Dutchman's Son.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Well, but the show would be called The Dutchman.
dan friesen
No, it would be The Dutchman's Son.
Okay.
I insist on that.
jordan holmes
Like the time traveler's wife?
dan friesen
Exactly.
So we heard about his artificially intelligent spacecraft Minerva.
jordan holmes
Yes!
How is she doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
We don't know.
jordan holmes
We don't hear from her?
dan friesen
We don't necessarily know, but we do learn a little bit more about Minerva on this episode, and here is that.
kerry cassidy
He said there was an average crew of nine, but I'm not sure what ship that was for.
I'm afraid I didn't get that down in my notes, unfortunately.
He did say with Minerva, she doesn't like crew besides Mark.
So, in general, when he flew Minerva, it would only be her and him, and it would only be Mark and one other person.
But she does take groups of zoo animals on board for study and she can morph her interior to make room for hundreds of animals.
She acts as his translator when Perfect.
and going to other planets in other systems.
The furthest he's gone interstellar, he says, was with a companion named Glassy, which is out around the Alpha Centauri system.
I asked him about interstellar travel to other planets and the beings he's met.
He said he has traveled to the three stars of Alpha Centauri, has met 20 different species.
He said there are four different ant colonies in the Orion constellation.
However, that when he's traveling, Minerva is very protective, often won't let him leave the ship.
Due to dangerous conditions, and she treats humans a little like pets or children.
He also said not all wormholes are the same.
I didn't actually get an elaboration on that, and I should have, and hopefully will in the future.
dan friesen
So another thing she did not ask a follow-up question on.
I actually, for a second, I thought she was talking about Freddie Blassie.
Maybe the pro wrestler.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Sure you did.
Sure you did.
Of course.
dan friesen
It could have been his companion.
Yeah, who knows.
jordan holmes
All right.
Where's Glassie now?
dan friesen
I'd love to talk to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get him on fucking Project Camelot.
jordan holmes
Get him on this show.
dan friesen
They're all dead.
They've got to be.
That's the other thing.
If any of this was real, this fucking dude would be dead.
Right?
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
He's in a prison.
jordan holmes
But just like the ufologist, it's a disinformation campaign.
You know, you have them in there, so Minerva can manipulate the narrative to Carrie Cassidy, who's telling the truth, but Minerva, she's flying around with her zoo animals, just having a fantastic old time.
dan friesen
Morphing her insides in order to accommodate.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I love it.
It is disinformation in some sense.
jordan holmes
I love it, Dan.
I just wish you were more willing to engage with it the way that I am.
dan friesen
I don't know how to.
jordan holmes
With hope and love in your heart, Dan.
dan friesen
It's not what it inspires me.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something else.
Santa is inside of all of us, Dan.
dan friesen
See, I love the idea of hope, but this makes me profoundly sad because I know that she's being lied to by a murderer.
You know, like, that part of it is like...
jordan holmes
Why you gotta bring everybody down?
dan friesen
Because that's what's real.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
I'm interested in what's real, generally, because this is about piercing the worlds of con men.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And for me...
I mean, I don't really care that much about Mark Richards.
He committed a murder, and he's in prison for it.
Like, to a certain extent, the system has worked.
And I don't really care that much that Project Camelot goes and visits him and lets him say all this nonsense, because he's not killing anybody else.
He's not telling Carrie Cassidy to murder for him.
He's just creating a weird...
jordan holmes
Bored!
dan friesen
He's creating a weird fictional story in order to alleviate some of his guilt, maybe try to rehab his personality, his character in the public eye.
I don't really care about that, because if you're not an idiot, you can see through this pretty quickly.
And then also, I don't really care all that much about the fraud that's being perpetrated on his wife, because she seems to get something out of it, too.
There's a positive for her.
She gets meaning in her life.
She gets to live out thinking that eventually these raptors are coming.
She seems pretty happy.
jordan holmes
And she travels around.
She has a large amount of friends and people who support her and people who love her.
dan friesen
She seems to also get more out of watching Jurassic World than I did.
That's something.
Even though I enjoyed it, I couldn't have enjoyed it as much as someone who thinks, that's a real raptor.
jordan holmes
No, that's entirely true.
dan friesen
Anyway, I don't really care too much, but at the same time, it's outside of my stated objective to be like, oh, Minerva's real.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But here's my reality with this.
Reality is the worst thing right now.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
There is nothing that I don't hate on this fucking planet at this point.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's fun.
unidentified
Well, look.
jordan holmes
It's genuinely fun because, again, it is benign.
If Mark Richards was telling her lies and trying to get her to do stuff.
dan friesen
Right, if he was like, you know the Reptoids because they have dark skin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
If he was doing something like that, then it would be like, oh no.
jordan holmes
Or even just like, you need to lead the fight against the Reptoids.
You need to be part of this.
Instead, he's just spinning a yarn.
If he, like, we could make a graphic novel based on the bullshit that he says, and it would be just as much fun.
dan friesen
I don't think he has intellectual property over this.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
I think we could go ahead and do it.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
So the other thing, I tentatively agree with you.
jordan holmes
And we wouldn't even have to, we would have to put any resemblance to characters living or dead is completely unintentional.
dan friesen
We've blown it now, though.
unidentified
We'll get sued because of this episode.
dan friesen
So, thankfully, neither of us can really draw that good.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
It's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
I know a few artists.
dan friesen
That's true.
Be that as it may, reality being good or bad aside, there's another update that I need to give you that Carrie brought up at the beginning of the episode.
She's no longer allowed to bring a pencil or a pen.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
And she had to take her notes in crayon.
I think Mark might have misbehaved in prison.
unidentified
I think he had to.
dan friesen
And they took away his pen privileges.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Later in the episode, she says, if you want to see my notes, they're on the website.
I was like, oh, please.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Please have pictures of the crayon notes.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
She typed them up.
jordan holmes
Oh, boo!
dan friesen
It was a real bummer.
Anyway, moving on to this next clip.
We've discussed in the past...
jordan holmes
I would pay some money for a signed page of crayon notes.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That would go on the wall.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, as we discussed...
jordan holmes
Even John Rapaport would hang that up.
dan friesen
That's the new seal of approval for our...
John Rapaport would hang that shit up.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we've talked about it in the past.
Some of the wars that we've fought in the history of America.
Have not been what we think they were.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
Stargates.
dan friesen
They're Stargates, and as we've learned, there were beetle beings in Vietnam.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The Tet, as we've called them.
Yep, yep.
But...
jordan holmes
They were very offensive to me.
dan friesen
In this clip, we learned that there might have been other bug beings.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
Ender's Game style?
The Formics?
dan friesen
Or possibly she's trying to retcon the beetles and turn them into something else.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
We did talk more about the spider beings.
I wanted to know about the relationship of the spider beings to the Viet Cong leaders and also to the recall of the troops.
And he said that they worked with the spider leadership and the Viet Cong leaders.
And he also said they used mind control to get the troops to forget.
Who they were really working with, and they used gas to make them forget so that most troops wouldn't remember anything to do with the spider beings.
He thinks it's possible that some soldiers will remember, however.
unidentified
Of course.
kerry cassidy
And I talked about one soldier recall from my previous show that I did.
I did a show on the spider beings from...
The Vietnam War and a very interesting soldier on my show as well as some other people calling in and some other interesting recall from various soldiers in the Vietnam War seems to be leading in that direction to saying that there may be validity to what Mark is saying.
Some corroboration out there.
dan friesen
That's not corroboration.
jordan holmes
That's PTSD.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's PTSD and crazy people calling you.
That's not corroboration.
Just because someone says the same crazy shit that someone else says, it's possible for two liars to exist.
jordan holmes
Could be a coincidence.
dan friesen
Or it could be suggestibility.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, you know, you have this fantastic narrative that you're putting out there about raptors being friends with us against these reptoids, and you have beetles or spiders.
Right.
Apparently these spiders are the size of VWs.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We've learned.
jordan holmes
Can you say the words spider leadership?
dan friesen
No.
I refuse to.
So...
jordan holmes
Spider leadership.
dan friesen
The VC.
jordan holmes
He talked to the spider leadership.
dan friesen
The VC was in touch.
jordan holmes
Spider leadership, what do you see?
What do you see, Dan?
Tell me what you see right now.
Is it a group of people?
Or spiders?
Yes.
dan friesen
It's a group of spiders.
jordan holmes
They're as large as VWs.
dan friesen
Yes.
It's a big room.
jordan holmes
It's a big spider.
dan friesen
It's underground somewhere, probably.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
Like an underground temple.
You've got six high-ranking spiders, but they all have hats on.
jordan holmes
They all have hats on?
I was going to go with robes.
I was going to go with robes.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, robes and podiums.
dan friesen
How do you deal with the legs with the robes?
jordan holmes
Look, they're the spider leadership.
They can figure that shit out.
dan friesen
They just drape it over their eight legs?
jordan holmes
They make silk or webbing or whatever the fuck it is they make.
dan friesen
That means they can make an amazing hat.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
I insistent on the hats.
I'm 50-50 on robes.
Because robes really indicates spiritual leadership less than military leadership.
This is a military operation.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
The VC is involved.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The Viet Cong is involved with spider leadership.
jordan holmes
Right.
I believe that the spiders are Tibetan monks.
dan friesen
You think that's the code?
jordan holmes
I think that's the trick.
dan friesen
That's the dog whistle that's being used here?
jordan holmes
Next question.
Right.
Democratic?
dan friesen
The spiders?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
You think it's a military junta?
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
These are spider fucks.
jordan holmes
I think you just have a negative opinion of spiders.
dan friesen
I don't think that democracy is necessarily a system that penetrates other alien races.
I think...
And this might be an unpopular opinion.
jordan holmes
That's why we went to war in Afghanistan.
We were trying to bring democracy to the spiders.
dan friesen
This might be an unpopular opinion for humans circa 2017, but democracy might not be where we end up landing.
It's a great system in some ways, but we might be able to find better.
It's possible.
And maybe these spiders know something we don't.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
It's an anarcho-capitalist and anarcho-capitalist situation.
dan friesen
Hold on now.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
Now I'm against them.
I'm firmly against them.
jordan holmes
You're a raptor.
dan friesen
I would be a raptor if we're fighting anarcho-capitalist spiders.
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
I live in a world where we get to say, I would be a raptor if we were fighting against anarcho-capitalist spiders.
This is my favorite world right now.
dan friesen
I'm imagining a giant spider that has a Stefan Molyneux head.
And I'm just like, no!
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Get away!
unidentified
Get!
dan friesen
I have a giant rolled-up magazine I'm squatting in with.
jordan holmes
Ah, their one weakness.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, so let's get to this next clip.
In this one, she's discussing hurricanes.
And this is bad timing.
jordan holmes
That is bad timing.
dan friesen
She, much like Alex, believes that the government has weather control weapons.
And she has a very interesting narrative for why portions of North Carolina had to evacuate recently.
jordan holmes
No, I don't really want to hear this part.
dan friesen
You do, actually.
Okay, alright.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
It's not like it's wrong.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's disgraceful.
But the particular lie is fun enough that it's necessary.
kerry cassidy
He said in this recent North Carolina Outer Banks Islands, there was a power cut, supposedly.
That was the news item.
So what I've done on my notes is link the two articles about the recent cut.
in power in that area and the fact that the governor actually evacuated these people out of the area the real reason they were being evacuated according to mark is because a portal opened and that a very dark group a rogue group of aliens came through and started actually eating people off the beaches Sorry, we've got to pause there.
dan friesen
Rogue aliens.
jordan holmes
Rogue aliens.
dan friesen
Eating people on the beaches.
jordan holmes
What aliens?
What rogue aliens?
Is there any specifics on which rogue aliens?
dan friesen
We actually will get a little bit of information.
jordan holmes
And they were eating people on the beaches.
dan friesen
Eating people on the beaches.
jordan holmes
Eating people on the beaches.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
Yep.
So far, so good.
jordan holmes
So we're at...
So rogue aliens.
dan friesen
Right.
Rogue from what?
unidentified
Um...
dan friesen
Great question.
No response.
I'll tell you, that's one of those, I'll get back to you on that.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know, space protocols?
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
Are they pirate aliens who just eat people to recharge?
dan friesen
Right, they could be.
jordan holmes
Why, if you've got a portal technology, why do you need to eat people?
dan friesen
Well, they're delicious, first of all.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Second of all, we know that these aliens love the climate.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Especially around America.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
And so they're probably vacationing on the outer islands of North Carolina.
jordan holmes
It's a great place to vacation.
dan friesen
That's why they had to break open the portal.
jordan holmes
I've been there.
unidentified
Yeah, it's great.
It's not bad.
dan friesen
It's not a situation at all.
jordan holmes
I'm sure they have a timeshare.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the ticket.
It's not a situation of dangerous inclement weather caused by climate change.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Oh, by the way, Mark once again reiterates that he believes in climate change.
On this episode.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
It's like, wow.
Even the crazy gets it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So let's get back to this.
There's more...
jordan holmes
Somehow the guy who believes in raptors is less dumb than our president.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, he doesn't have a vested interest in tax cuts for the rich.
Oh, dude.
Also, I want to get into this really quick.
jordan holmes
He has vested interest in tax cuts for the raptors.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know Alex Jones' whole thing about...
jordan holmes
Prosperity and bullshit?
Lies?
White supremacy?
dan friesen
About how the climate change lie, in his words, is just trying to push carbon taxes.
I did a little looking into that.
jordan holmes
Do you mean carbon taxes that work?
dan friesen
It's kind of interesting because...
South Africa has had carbon taxes starting in September of 2015.
jordan holmes
How have they been doing?
dan friesen
China has had a carbon tax since 2012.
jordan holmes
How about them?
dan friesen
India, they had a carbon tax that was initiated in July of 2010, and they increased it in 2014.
Japan has had one since 2012.
jordan holmes
How have their emissions been?
dan friesen
Good, they're improving.
jordan holmes
Consistently dropping?
dan friesen
South Korea's had one since 2008.
Taiwan has had one since 2009, or they started planning one.
Australia has had one since 2012.
New Zealand, 2005.
jordan holmes
Well, and that just proves that they don't work.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because clearly those countries are falling apart.
dan friesen
The European Union has been trying to implement one since the 1990s.
jordan holmes
Well, they're fucked on that.
dan friesen
In Denmark, 2002, they had one.
Finland started in the 1990s, way ahead of the curve.
France, they had a carbon tax.
jordan holmes
Finland actually got Exxon's interior research.
dan friesen
France initiated carbon taxes in 2009.
Germany...
Adopted ecological tax reform in 1999.
jordan holmes
We're the dumbest fucking country on the goddamn planet.
We're officially dumber than North Korea.
dan friesen
There's so many countries.
In Sweden, in 1991, they enacted a CO2 tax.
In the United Kingdom, in 1993, they started taxing petroleum products.
Norway, Switzerland.
Central America even has some countries.
Costa Rica.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the developed and undeveloped worlds?
dan friesen
Costa Rica got a carbon tax going in 1997.
Canada...
They have no federal carbon taxes, but their provinces have enacted carbon taxes of their own accord.
So that's states' rights.
And according to the Carbon Tax Center, the United States is one of the few large and industrialized nations on Earth that does not implement a carbon tax.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why...
We wouldn't have.
dan friesen
Well, because we have way too many businesses that have way too much sway over the government.
jordan holmes
This is the thing that I've been...
I have not been able to get this out of my head.
We don't live in a democracy.
dan friesen
No, it's an oligarchy.
Or a corporate-ocracy or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a kleptocracy.
Well, no, because it's not...
unidentified
The insanity...
dan friesen
Kleptocracy is more like...
jordan holmes
Thieves.
dan friesen
Well, but it's more generally focused around one person.
And granted, Trump is doing a great job of making that a reality.
But we have more of just like a plethora of thieving organizations.
That are all corporations.
jordan holmes
Causing trusts and monopolies and the like.
dan friesen
And because they're corporations, they dodge individual responsibility for the crimes they're committing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
My position is, why the fuck?
And I think this is why all of our protests have no real...
dan friesen
Because we need to go to...
jordan holmes
Because we don't have a democracy.
The idea of protest...
Like, whenever you look on Twitter, you need to call these six senators who are a maybe on this.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, the larger problem is the other 44 who don't give a fuck because they're just owned.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're just owned.
So go to the fucking Koch brothers' headquarters and protest there.
If we had 20,000 women sitting outside of Wichita, Kansas, and I'll tweet out the...
Right.
If we did that, that's a real effect.
That's something that really bothers people.
Because we don't live in a world.
dan friesen
I think you would find that it wouldn't bother people as much as you hope.
jordan holmes
Find their fucking house.
dan friesen
No, because here, let me give you my dark thought.
As of this weekend, because we're recording this on Saturday, so I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow with the football games that happen.
President Trump, he insulted Kaepernick and said that the NFL owners should fire these players.
How dare they?
At his fucking clearly white nationalist rally in Alabama where he got people to boo.
jordan holmes
Oh, in Alabama?
There was a white nationalist rally?
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Who would have fucking guessed?
dan friesen
Totally.
The games are tomorrow.
And my estimation of it is there's going to be a lot more people taking in.
jordan holmes
I would fucking hope so.
dan friesen
Right, but...
jordan holmes
I mean, if Steph Curry and LeBron James team up to call Trump a piece of shit, fuck yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, but here's what I'm getting at.
I think that there is a decent chance that what we might end up seeing is a larger scale version of the University of Missouri.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
Because there were legitimate protests and people were growing dissatisfied with stuff.
And wanting the president of the university system to step down, and he didn't until the football team said they weren't going to play anymore, and he would lose tons of money.
Now, if you get the NFL going on strike, along with the NBA or something like that, or a large portion of it, I think you would have millionaires who are like, we're losing millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars, and they would start putting pressure on senators in ways that we could not.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
It's very pathetic.
jordan holmes
It's so fucking sad.
dan friesen
It makes me profoundly sad.
But at the same time...
I mean, if that could happen, and then once that happens, we can try and change it.
Change the fact that that matters more than the voice of the people?
Great.
I don't know.
I think that you might end up seeing these moneyed interests being what ends up having to be changed.
jordan holmes
Imagine a Sunday where the NFL, the players' union, just goes, No.
Fuck you.
That would destroy America.
dan friesen
That would be fucked up.
jordan holmes
There would literally be riots in the South.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And everyone would just blame black people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh my God, you're...
unidentified
Not everyone.
jordan holmes
The world is sad.
The world is fucking sad, Dan.
dan friesen
Very much.
jordan holmes
Can we get back to Project Camelot?
dan friesen
Yep, here's more about weapons.
kerry cassidy
In the Barrier Islands area, he said the whole area had to be evacuated under false pretenses so the military could deal with it.
They found that they couldn't handle the situation because it required that they didn't have any collateral damage, and usually when they try to close a portal, they use a nuke, or they have in the past.
So they enlisted the help of the Raptors to help with their high-tech weapons, and they have special weapons that allows them to target individual.
individual beings and not have collateral damage as well as to close portals.
He said our technology wasn't sophisticated enough to avoid collateral damage.
jordan holmes
So So, here's the thing that she assumes in that.
dan friesen
Oh, just one thing?
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
This is the more important thing, all right?
If the way we usually close portals is by detonating nuclear weapons...
How many nuclear weapons have we detonated secretly?
Or have we only closed two portals?
dan friesen
You're not taking into account tests.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Nuclear tests have also been closed in portals.
jordan holmes
All right.
So North Korea is actually heroic.
They're the ones keeping us from...
dan friesen
No, no, no.
We'll get to that.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Put a pin in there.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
Thank you!
kerry cassidy
But that this has now changed.
So this seems like a rather recent change.
Maybe we, in essence, have now got the technology of the raptors.
He said the intruders coming in through the portals were a subspecies of another species and that we don't know this species very well.
dan friesen
These are the ones who are eating people on beaches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're the subspecies of another species.
I assume the other species.
Not interested in eating people.
dan friesen
She might have had the name of the species, but it was in crayon and she couldn't read it.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Who knows?
kerry cassidy
He said the situation he believes has been handled in that area.
dan friesen
That's good.
kerry cassidy
He did not tell me what kind of aliens these were.
And I am also wondering now if the recent allowing of the hurricanes, very destructive hurricanes, Irma.
And Harvey were sort of another episode in this sort of portal war with a certain group coming in and not really about, you know, actually nothing natural, no weather event that's natural.
We do know that there are weather wars going on constantly.
dan friesen
Constantly.
kerry cassidy
And so I'm going to try to see if I can find out something more about these particular...
Disasters here in America because the evidence we have is that they have plenty of technology to be able to turn a storm back out to sea.
And the fact that they didn't do that in the case of Harvey and Irma is rather suspicious.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's why they were tweeting, don't shoot your guns at the hurricane.
kerry cassidy
And I think Irma is actually happening right now, so I don't know what the final sort of results of that will be.
Kind of leave that open.
dan friesen
Yeah, you leave it open.
jordan holmes
Yeah, please do.
dan friesen
This investigation is ongoing.
This is not an investigation.
You are just listening to crazy things.
As we've gone over all these ideas about being able to create, steer, stop hurricanes, all that stuff, largely has to do with misunderstandings about HAARP and weird space-based lasers.
jordan holmes
That harp don't sing, my friend.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Angels don't play that harp.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
So now we get into the Raptors now.
We have a little bit of...
jordan holmes
Oh, please.
I was wondering.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We have some news about the Raptors.
They're involved in some weird stuff.
jordan holmes
I have some news about the Raptors.
dan friesen
Yeah?
jordan holmes
They didn't get Carmelo.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
The OKC guy.
kerry cassidy
We talked about Yellow Book, and I asked him about seeing his own future.
I asked him if he was ever hooked up to the technology that the Raptors have.
And many other races, we're told, that allows a human to see the history of Earth and also their own reincarnational history.
jordan holmes
Of course.
kerry cassidy
And he said, yes, he was hooked up to such a machine.
The raptors have that technology.
He said he did see some of the true history of Earth as well in that way.
And I also asked him sort of a deeper question.
Having to do with his soul contract and whether or not he felt that he was a victim of circumstances or whether he chose the path he's on as a soul coming in.
And he said that he felt that he chose to fight the powers that be and that is why he became imprisoned.
However, he didn't choose to be in prison for 30 years.
dan friesen
This is weird.
jordan holmes
So he chose to be in prison.
dan friesen
This is weird.
jordan holmes
But then he was like, 30 years?
That was too long.
dan friesen
This is not what my soul signed up for.
jordan holmes
I made a big mistake on this one.
dan friesen
Do you understand the conception of what she's talking about?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who believe...
jordan holmes
Mark Richards was the fourth member of Public Enemy.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
I mean, that's fine.
I should have allowed that to breathe.
I'm talking about the soul contract stuff.
jordan holmes
No, I did not know about the soul contract.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of people who have a belief in reincarnation.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that's reasonable to some extent.
Is it?
Well, in terms of spiritual beliefs, reincarnation is one I'm going to just go ahead and give you.
jordan holmes
Is it?
dan friesen
Anyways, keep going.
Mathematically, there's problems.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of problems.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, if you want to just have a fanciful sort of spiritual belief, that's not one that I find particularly offensive.
jordan holmes
I mean, the only problem I have there is there's roughly, what, like two million people who think they were Cleopatra in a former life?
dan friesen
That's ego.
And I agree that's a problem.
But then also the numbers of new people that have been, you know, in terms of population growth, where are the souls coming from?
Is it splitting of souls?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's mathematical problems.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the belief of a subset of the reincarnation folks, and it's something that I enjoy.
I like this.
I'm not saying I 100% believe it.
But I like it.
jordan holmes
So you mean you some percentage believe it?
dan friesen
No, I would like to believe it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But the cold, hard skeptic in me or whatever certainly doesn't.
jordan holmes
Can't allow it.
dan friesen
But there are people who believe that you go about your life and there's a soul group that you have.
And so whenever you meet your soulmate or people you really connect to, those are members of your soul group.
And you're going about your life in a way that you guys all agreed to before you were born.
So in between lives...
Your soul group gets together and you come up with whatever the game you're going to play in this next life is.
So if you and I were souls, we'd be like, hey, let's go get...
jordan holmes
Let's start a podcast.
dan friesen
Let's go get abused by religion a bunch and then eventually meet each other doing comedy and then start a podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
That would be our plan that we created.
And then we would sign a soul contract wherein karmic debts are repaid.
Right.
jordan holmes
So we're getting close to Boconanism from Kurt Vonnegut.
Cat's Gradle?
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you killed someone in a past life, then you're...
Soul contract would involve, in your next life, they do something to you.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
They ruin your life somehow.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's a one-to-one cause effect.
dan friesen
Right.
So that's the idea that they're espousing here, that before he was born, he had a soul contract that he signed, and he's like, well, I was into fight.
But I didn't want to go to prison for 30 years.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is silly.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it, Dan?
dan friesen
Even within that framework that I enjoy, the idea, because it is fun.
It is a fun idea.
jordan holmes
It is a fun idea.
dan friesen
Even within that, though, I didn't sign up to go to prison for 30 years because I killed a dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So what you're saying is, prior to being reincarnated, his soul group got together.
And they're trying to pay the bill at a restaurant, and half of them walked out and he got left with a check.
dan friesen
He got stiff.
Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
jordan holmes
Now it makes sense.
dan friesen
Here we go.
kerry cassidy
And he feels that they did, you know, look into his future as they have the ability to do with individuals.
They saw that he would be a threat.
He feels his biggest threat is questioning authority and also the fact that people tend to want to follow him.
And so the powers that be find that to be the greatest threat.
jordan holmes
Just like we talked about last time, that's like that little bit of guilt coming out that he can't quite...
It's a problem that people want to follow me, and he's like, I think it is a problem, because I killed that guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I am a sociopath who is...
Weirdly charismatic, apparently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And was able to convince a 17-year-old dude to kill a guy for money.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now he has a probably well-meaning secret space program researcher, in heavy quotes, who now is following him, essentially.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And yeah, that is the guilt.
That's him trying to wrestle with the fact that, like...
I do bad things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I misspoke.
It wasn't the raptors.
These are the powers that be that saw that.
And so his version of it is, like, they saw that I was going to be a problem with this, and so they put me in prison.
Yeah.
They set me up.
jordan holmes
I mean, he was a problem, and he should be in prison.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it was not because...
He's questioning authority.
dan friesen
No, but that actually, that comes later.
I don't have the clip of this, but he was explaining that the questioning authority happened after this alien that he loved got killed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so after that point, he was all against authority.
jordan holmes
The alien he loved got killed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, so it's really a love story.
dan friesen
More or less, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is, this is, wow.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Alright, this is a classic revenge tale.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, you might think that the Raptors, they got this future technology and what have you.
jordan holmes
For real, this would be the best Bollywood movie in history.
dan friesen
I'd watch it.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
There'd be great musical numbers.
dan friesen
Real Raptors.
jordan holmes
Real Raptors!
dan friesen
Who would kill you for chocolate.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So the Raptors have a presence.
jordan holmes
Who among us has not wanted to kill for chocolate?
dan friesen
Me?
jordan holmes
You want to kill after eating those white chocolate?
dan friesen
Let me tell you this.
jordan holmes
Yes, tell me this.
dan friesen
Do you have a dollar?
You can get chocolate.
It's really accessible.
jordan holmes
But not the good raptor chocolate.
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
That's bullshit.
They would take whatever.
They're not like, I need a Wonka bar.
They'd be like, I don't care.
Give me Hershey's.
Whatever.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
What about the rogue aliens coming through portals?
dan friesen
No, they want to eat people.
Okay.
The raptors.
jordan holmes
Yes, the raptors.
dan friesen
They have a presence in modern-day global conflict.
jordan holmes
They have to.
dan friesen
And it turns out the raptors are in play in Syria.
kerry cassidy
Disclosure, Aleppo and the reptilians that are pushing disclosure.
I discussed this in my last interview.
He had said that the reptoids were forcing the issue in Aleppo, that the battle there was a very intense battle, building what is in essence a gate he said a stargate and they were looking to bring troops and craft into this dimension he said they have aircraft sized carrier craft and that they can bring around five thousand of their own troops in that way he said they
can take back however through the gates as many as thirty thousand to forty thousand human prey Dead or alive.
He says they trade human slaves to other races and those humans are used as slaves and also for genetic engineering purposes and it's one of their businesses is what he called it.
They have been dealt with for the time being but this continues.
unidentified
So this is sad.
jordan holmes
Reptoids are the originators of the slave trade.
That's what you're telling me.
dan friesen
Interstellar, interdimensional, portal-based slave trade.
jordan holmes
Well, if they've been around here for long enough...
dan friesen
You make a very valid, interesting point of what are they trading for.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is a problem.
Might be chocolate.
jordan holmes
It's gotta be chocolate.
dan friesen
It might be chocolate.
jordan holmes
That good space chocolate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know if...
jordan holmes
Like how...
dan friesen
Could chocolate exist in space?
jordan holmes
Truly, that's the new if a tree falls in the forest.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it requires cacao beans.
It requires usually milk.
Are there cows in space?
I mean, there's other ways you can get milk.
jordan holmes
There's space cacao.
dan friesen
We do not know that.
jordan holmes
There's space milk.
dan friesen
Mark Richards has not confirmed that.
Don't go out there.
jordan holmes
We got to talk to Minerva.
That's who's going to know about this.
Okay, so Minerva takes zoo animals.
Out into space.
They get genetically engineered to create super space chocolate.
dan friesen
Now you're onto it.
jordan holmes
They don't even...
Look.
Straight chocolate milk.
You just fucking go to town.
dan friesen
You're officially onto the main stash.
That is why Minerva is taking animals into space.
This all makes sense now.
jordan holmes
What's glassy?
dan friesen
A jar for the milk.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
A giant anthropomorphic jar for milk.
And co-pilot, of course.
unidentified
And co-pilot, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So you might be concerned about the fact that the Reptoids are meddling in a business.
jordan holmes
Very.
dan friesen
And they're...
Fuck you.
So the concern is that they're meddling and we don't see them.
No one sees them.
No one has ever seen one.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there's a reason.
kerry cassidy
One of his remote viewers, Aziz, have remote viewed Area 51, and apparently Aziz was aware enough to realize that when he was looking at what appears to be a reptoid or reptilian being down in Area 51, in one of the lower levels, he saw that it would make an attempt to fog over his mind so that he would forget and also not see the being.
However, he managed to see beyond that.
So it's clear that they have this ability to fog over the human mind and also make humans forget.
jordan holmes
Doctor who?
kerry cassidy
Which obviously helps the secrecy.
jordan holmes
The silence.
dan friesen
It obviously helps the secrecy.
jordan holmes
It couldn't hurt the secrecy.
It certainly couldn't hurt.
dan friesen
It's a very convenient piece of the narrative.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of like, hey, why hasn't anyone ever seen one of these?
jordan holmes
Well, they fog your vision.
dan friesen
They fog your vision and they make you forget.
jordan holmes
It's the silence from Doctor Who.
dan friesen
It's Men in Black.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a common literary trope.
So in our next clip, we get a little bit of, this is where we find out that the raptors will kill you for chocolate and surrounding comments.
kerry cassidy
He did talk about the raptors and what they will do for chocolate or for any kind of technology they desire.
He said they often steal or borrow technology from other races.
He said that they will kill for anything they want, including chocolate.
He said the raptors can see the past energetically.
They see the past of Earth and of anyone they choose.
dan friesen
I would argue, because she's also said that they can see the future.
They can see the future.
jordan holmes
If you can see the past, then you exist outside of time.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So you see it all as what is essentially space-time.
dan friesen
You can see the past and the future.
Yeah.
According to the raptor technology that they have.
And I would argue, in that case, there has to have been at least one time that a raptor has killed someone for chocolate and then seen the future or past and be like, I shouldn't have killed that guy for chocolate.
It's a very, very minor thing to kill someone for.
jordan holmes
Now, here's a thought.
dan friesen
Also, it leads me to believe that the Raptors are not good.
jordan holmes
They're not good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
If they're on Mark Richards' notorious murder, Mark Richards, then they're not on the good.
dan friesen
And if he's tossing aside the fact they'll kill you for something that's, like I said, very available.
jordan holmes
Now, again, here's where we get into situations.
dan friesen
You know how back in the old days, people would carry around dog treats all the time just in case they ran into a dog?
I did not know that.
I think that's something I've seen in old movies.
Like, just in case.
I gotta keep some dog treats.
jordan holmes
Got a little holster full of dog treats.
dan friesen
I recommend, as the world gets more and more chaotic, always keep some chocolate on you.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
In case there are raptors, so you can be like, here you go, here you go, here you go.
Don't kill me, it's yours.
jordan holmes
Now, see, I would go the complete opposite direction.
unidentified
Never kidding.
jordan holmes
Never get anywhere near chocolate, that way you're safe!
dan friesen
This might be a diet thing.
unidentified
Maybe that's what Mark Richards is trying to encourage people to get in shape.
jordan holmes
Kerry lost a lot of weight following these interviews.
dan friesen
You know what?
They hate that, like, sugar-free chocolate that you can get.
Ooh, that's a good point.
So get the diabetic chocolate.
Raptors, bleh.
jordan holmes
Now, inexplicably, though, they like American chocolate more than they like European chocolate, despite the fact that we all know European chocolate is better.
dan friesen
Belgian.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now, here's the only issue there.
So if you can see the past and the future, that suggests that you exist outside of four-dimensional time.
dan friesen
To some extent, yeah.
jordan holmes
So that means that all things are happening simultaneously.
So you really don't even know if you have free will within that bound because everything has happened and will happen and is already happening at the same time.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So those raptors, they're killing for chocolate, but they don't even know why.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They have to.
It's just part of who they are.
dan friesen
Well, to some extent, that's true of everybody and everything, right?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We have no control over our actions.
dan friesen
Especially if you can see into the future.
It does imply predestination on some level.
Yep.
Unless it is that weird, you know, like, heroes, the TV show style version of the future.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We can change this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We see a dystopian picture, and if we make one decision different...
jordan holmes
Infinite multiverse theory.
dan friesen
Save the raptor, save the world.
jordan holmes
I'm still confused as to where these rogue aliens are coming from.
dan friesen
Another dimension.
jordan holmes
And why it is that they're...
Never mind.
I'll let it go.
I'll let it go.
dan friesen
They're from another dimension.
They want to go to the outer islands of North Carolina and eat people.
jordan holmes
Of course, yes.
dan friesen
And they're a subset of a race that we don't really know all that much about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because Mark was like, I...
jordan holmes
I got nothing for this one.
dan friesen
I want to say they're Beezelborps, but that sounds...
jordan holmes
I'm just going to paper over this one.
We're just going to move on.
dan friesen
Beezelborps sounds too silly.
jordan holmes
Too crazy.
dan friesen
I'm going to need some time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's 100% what's going on.
jordan holmes
I like to imagine that he's like...
Every day he goes to the library and just reads a shit ton of sci-fi books and then just taking little notes, listening to InfoWars, getting all crazy.
dan friesen
So you asked earlier about North Korea.
jordan holmes
I did ask earlier about North Korea.
I have a feeling I'm going to regret.
dan friesen
No, maybe not.
I think you're going to learn.
I don't think you're going to learn something.
kerry cassidy
With regard to North Korea, he said the only reason they're being so aggressive is that they're backed by an alien group that are powerful enemies of the U.S. And he said there's a definite group of off-world beings that back them.
China.
In which case it does not sound like it's the reptoids, which is interesting.
When asked about the North Korean...
Nuclear tests and earthquake weapons.
He actually didn't answer me directly about that.
He kind of smiled when I asked him about that and didn't say anything.
So I asked him, in essence, does that mean that we're actually in war with North Korea and the beings backing them?
And that these so-called nuclear tests are more like hits back and forth.
From each side.
And again, he didn't say anything but smiled.
So I kind of have the impression that in a sense we are already at war with North Korea.
dan friesen
Yikes.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
No, thankfully it's not true.
At least not the way she's saying it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Although it does...
dan friesen
It may be true that we're at a point where it's going to be very difficult to de-escalate.
jordan holmes
It's kind of like...
It is very sci-fi in that it is kind of allegorical for what is currently happening.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, they are being back.
dan friesen
You see that a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
There's a certain amount of relatively logical analysis behind his bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, it's like him confessing that I'm a manipulative cult leader kind of guy.
And on the last one, basically metaphorically saying, I'm guilty of murder.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there are, like...
He's expressing real things in an artful way to some extent.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And yeah, sure, there is China backing North Korea, and you could say that his version of some unnamed alien race is really just remnants of the communist bloc.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But here's something I also want to remind everybody of, because I don't think that...
jordan holmes
No, all of this is real.
dan friesen
I don't think that people understand this.
A lot of people, and I don't know if Carrie Cassidy is on the same tip as this, but she spouts a lot of stuff that's very similar to this world view with the aliens and with alternative human history.
A lot of people who believe in that believe the Jews are aliens.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why do you gotta bring Pez back into this?
dan friesen
Well, it's not even Pez.
This is even weirder.
They believe that the Hebrews are an out-of-space race that was installed...
Into, like, Atlantis and Lemuria.
Because they needed a balance between the Draconians and the Atlanteans.
The Atlanteans were, like, a very feminine race of beings.
And they were wise.
And the Draconians, or the Satan-worshipping folks, they came in and they were really male and destructive and what have you.
And so there were, like...
As I understand, there were, like, nine or ten...
Spots on Atlantis needed to be filled or where there would be like population centers.
And they needed to fill another one.
So they brought in the Hebrews.
jordan holmes
So forced integration.
dan friesen
Who were super logical and good at math and what have you.
They were a very evolved space race.
Look, I don't...
jordan holmes
So is this positive anti-Semitism?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
Neither.
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Why are the Jews always involved?
dan friesen
The Jews are always, like...
Leave the Jews alone!
It does seem like no matter how wacky or evil you get...
jordan holmes
It always comes back to the Jews!
dan friesen
Well, but in this conception, from what I've been able to gleam, because I've done some diving into this world a little bit, and it doesn't seem like it's negative.
It's not hateful about the space Hebrews.
jordan holmes
Say that one more time.
dan friesen
The space Hebrews.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Hanging out with spider leadership.
But it's not negative in the same way that these anti-Semitic...
Populations are like, fuck the Jews.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
It's still singling out the Jews as being something other.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No matter where you are on the spectrum from crazy to evil, no matter what, it seems like a through line through all of it is like, the Jews aren't with us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're something else.
unidentified
I just don't understand that.
dan friesen
Well, because...
jordan holmes
Is it because they killed Christ?
It's because they killed Christ.
dan friesen
I think it goes back to the money stuff.
jordan holmes
It always does.
dan friesen
It goes back to usury and shit, probably, because that sort of thing existed before...
I don't know.
There might be something else, too, that I don't fully understand, but that makes enough sense for me in terms of why you demonize a population.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You think that they're the cause of all your economic woes.
jordan holmes
The progenitors of all of that shit, yeah.
dan friesen
They're the ones who are destroying us.
Right.
Whatever.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I just...
If there's one lesson that I've learned from all of history, it's just leave the Jews alone, man.
Just let them do their thing.
dan friesen
Typically when you hit a tipping point of people being mad at them, that's when really bad stuff happens.
jordan holmes
Everything goes wild, yeah.
dan friesen
And us saying that, an anti-Semite would hear that and be like, of course it does.
They have to fight back.
Because as we know, even Alex Jones thinks that the Jewish mafia was involved in the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's true.
dan friesen
So anyway, the raptors and the reptoids are in play in North Korea.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But guess what?
They were also involved in another very dramatic nuclear incident in American history.
kerry cassidy
We talked about the Cuban Missile Crisis.
He said the Cuban Missile Crisis was not about a Russia-US standoff with missiles.
There were three nukes that went off in outer space related to that incident.
He said the Cuban Missile Crisis involved a fight with an ET race and that Kennedy was well aware of this.
So that's a very interesting piece of history that appears to need to be rewritten and clarified.
So I think it would be fascinating to delve into that aspect and also see if we can get some corroboration out.
dan friesen
I bet you can find some corroboration because your version of corroboration is crazy people talking to you.
I'm willing to bet anything that someone would corroborate that.
It'd be great.
I'll corroborate it.
jordan holmes
I think my favorite thing about her versus Alex is that Alex would insist that this has been declassified.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And she's just like, well, this is obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody knows about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's not been declassified.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter if it's declassified or not.
It's all happening around us.
dan friesen
Well, but also where this information comes from is so fucking beyond classification.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
But it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
It's coming from Mark Richards.
dan friesen
The only place it could come from is Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or these other...
jordan holmes
Or these other yahoos.
dan friesen
People who have maybe undergone traumatic experiences and have post-traumatic stress disorder.
jordan holmes
Calling them yahoos now, it's like...
No, this is a lot of these people.
dan friesen
No, they're still yahoos.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Well, but a lot of these people are mentally damaged in some way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, all of this stuff.
And, like, it's hard to say what is, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say, well, these people aren't normal.
But there is something that has happened within their brain chemistry that has fucked shit up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, and that does not preclude them from being happy or sad.
Like, this isn't an emotional state.
This is just something within the way that their brain processes the world.
dan friesen
And most of them, at least at this point, Mark Richards passed notwithstanding, they're not hurting anybody.
No.
jordan holmes
I am for them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, they are fine.
If white supremacists would just turn their supremacy angle towards raptors, I'm totally cool with it.
dan friesen
But it could never stay that way.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They're violent monsters.
dan friesen
And who knows what other things these people believe that aren't in these interviews.
Because we know that, like...
I can't ever fucking remember his name.
Robert David Steele.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He believes that Zionists are attacking him all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So he can come on here and talk about a secret space program, but also buried in his beliefs are the Jews are running the world and they're trying to attack me because I know the truth.
I bet a lot of these other people who are on here have similar awful beliefs that just aren't being aired because the interview is about spider beings in Vietnam and shit like that.
They don't need to talk about how, like, Yeah, that's a good point.
We have to give a tentative, this is good.
jordan holmes
And there is also a certain amount of all of this that is allegorical for race-based fear and hatred.
dan friesen
Some of it.
jordan holmes
Like, I mean, you can believe in spider leadership.
Spider leadership.
You can believe in all of that, but ultimately what that gets back to is this is not white people's fault.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is not, you know, this is all done by other people and we don't have to take any responsibility for our own actions.
dan friesen
Now the flip side of it that's actually fairly interesting is that when he's talking about North Korea, he's saying it's not North Korea's fault.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They're just working with the wrong aliens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So to some extent...
jordan holmes
Say that one more time.
dan friesen
They're working with the wrong aliens, baby.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
In some ways, there is a unifying of humanity in the...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We are all but the playthings of alien races.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which in a lot of ways is just all religion is.
dan friesen
But it's lame.
jordan holmes
It's super lame.
dan friesen
It's lame in a fun way.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's more fun than not to blame aliens for North Korea than an insane...
Religious dictatorship theocracy built around a god-king.
dan friesen
Well, it's probably less scary because you get to a point where, like, you can't really be scared of giant malevolent alien races.
There's just nothing you can do about it.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is kind of true.
dan friesen
And in many ways, like, there's not...
jordan holmes
Let go and let raptors.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what I say.
dan friesen
There's not a whole lot you can really do about Kim Jong-un yourself either, but he's still human.
And when you dehumanize the threat...
It allows you to sort of be less worried about it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It takes you out of the game, too, though.
That's one of the things that...
A criticism of Alex Jones that people levy that I think is really reasonable, and that he is...
By creating this giant globalist cabal that has their fingers in everything and are controlling stuff, essentially what you do is you breed powerlessness in your audience.
Because you can scream all you want, but at the end of the day, all he's trying to do is get you to give him money so he can continue to fight the globalists by screaming and having you give him more money.
It's a self-perpetuating cycle.
Of course.
Whereas...
jordan holmes
Just like we create terrorism so we can spend more money fighting terrorism that creates terrorism so we can spend more money fighting terrorism.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
By the way, all of the senators voted for more money to the military!
We can't have college, we can't have healthcare, but goddammit if we don't need to spend another 200 fucking billion dollars on goddammit, or 700 billion dollar fucking budget.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
Kamala Harris, I like you.
Why are you doing this to us?
dan friesen
Because it's politically toxic not to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's a bigger problem.
jordan holmes
Which is an interesting thing in that one of the big criticisms against Bernie has always been his foreign policy is bullshit.
And he came out and was like, hey, America's foreign policy is bullshit.
And we're like, you can't say that.
dan friesen
Who are you, Ron Paul?
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Go on RT, you socialist.
dan friesen
What I'm getting at, I think, is that if Alex Jones really believed in the globalists, let's say, and he really wanted to encourage his audience to take change, he would actually pinpoint specific actionable things that people can do that would help in this fight against globalists.
Instead, they're all child-murdering, pedophile, cultist.
And it's a spiritual battleground.
There's nothing you can do except pray and give him money.
jordan holmes
And give him money, yeah.
dan friesen
And, I mean, that would be pathetic if you saw that on the left.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe you do, and I just don't know who that person is.
But generally, when I listen to things...
jordan holmes
I mean, the entire Democratic Party at the end of the day is that, isn't it?
dan friesen
Democrats and Republicans are not interest to me.
That's true.
As a concept, I find them tiresome.
Very true.
I think progressive and conservative are much more applicable labels.
jordan holmes
Well, at this point, Nazi and not-Nazi seems to be far more applicable.
dan friesen
I think that's true also.
But they're not parties, so it's not something that you sign up to be a part of.
It's just the orientation of your beliefs.
Do you want to move forward, or do you want to try and maintain a false past?
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
Those are the true parties?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's no membership in any of them.
jordan holmes
Says the centrist.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Let's get back to Raptors.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip.
jordan holmes
I think ultimately my analysis of all of this is this is all about removing personal responsibility for anything that's happening.
dan friesen
For Mark Richards because he murdered a guy?
jordan holmes
No, for all of us.
For all of these conspiracy theorists and all of this bullshit, it's like we can't comprehend the total and just world-shattering evil that is within every human being.
dan friesen
The potential, certainly.
jordan holmes
And so they create all of this stuff in order to try and deal with it.
dan friesen
And think about how Alex is...
Narratives about social indoctrination really work towards, like, hey, you might hate black people.
That's okay.
You've been brainwashed into doing it by the globalists who are secretly Jews.
You've been brainwashed into doing that.
It's not you.
It's not you, and that's just tribal.
jordan holmes
It's all fine.
dan friesen
You're racist.
It's totally fine.
The functionality of it is to...
Give you powerlessness except that which serves his immediate interests.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And to make you feel better about bigotry that already lives within you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And both of those are profoundly negative.
And they are related to personal responsibility.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So if you do have bigoted tendencies, you're behooved to address them.
Right.
You're behooved to look at them and try and work past them because you can.
You can.
jordan holmes
So then I do want to do something with our show that is, as you would say, a fight against that powerlessness.
dan friesen
Go shit on the Koch brothers' lawn.
jordan holmes
Fuck yeah.
There are a lot of things that you can do as a policy wonk.
dan friesen
If you're a policy wonk in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Organize.
Organize.
And fucking...
There's a real enemy, and it's the oligarchs who control the government.
That's the real enemy.
dan friesen
Let's wait till this show gets a little bit bigger before we try and, like...
jordan holmes
We need to organize into a political action committee.
dan friesen
No.
But I do agree that there should be, like...
We should try and explore the possibility of, like, action things.
Or action items.
Where, like, this is...
There's something.
But...
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But that's also...
jordan holmes
And the other thing is, if you do have bigoted tendencies and you are listening to this show, don't kill yourself yet.
No.
Examine what you're doing.
Examine why it is that you feel differently about different people and see if that is some sort of bigotry there.
dan friesen
That's today's action item.
jordan holmes
Like, I feel that all the time.
Like, am I...
No, it's the juice for me.
Now, it is one of those things where...
You know, treatment towards women.
All of these different things.
And I constantly re-examine every opinion.
Like, I've had...
Like, I just had this lady tweet at me.
dan friesen
I saw that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You were a dick.
jordan holmes
I was a dick.
It was fantastic.
unidentified
It felt so good.
dan friesen
It was funny.
jordan holmes
It was so good.
I felt so good.
And that's another thing where I was like...
I had to think about it because I tweeted straight from my dick behavior.
dan friesen
But it wasn't misogyny that motivated that.
jordan holmes
I know, but I had to think about that immediately after.
I had to go through all of my thought process there and try and figure out, would I have said the same thing to a Marine or somebody who could...
Fucking straight up murder me.
dan friesen
I think you would.
jordan holmes
And I goddamn would've.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think you would've.
jordan holmes
Like, oh yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't think there was much thought process at all that went into that response.
jordan holmes
No, but it was fun.
I enjoyed it.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's not fucking do a talking dead version of your tweets.
jordan holmes
No, but that's...
I'm not trying to...
It's not a personal...
Look, I'm not trying to brag.
dan friesen
Look, this is...
jordan holmes
I'm not trying to brag, but I'm the...
But that's something that I do want to make sure that I think about constantly is...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Why am I treating the...
dan friesen
I love how this is all coming from...
jordan holmes
Raptors are real.
dan friesen
Speaking of which, raptors have been a part of the world for a long time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Slave trade.
kerry cassidy
Actually, I asked him about the dragons in the Middle Ages that are written about, of course, in the mythology having to do with knights and all of that.
And I was curious what dragons were, like which species of reptile or Draco or whatever.
He said they...
Dracos and raptors.
Those are the ones that were actually the dragons they were fighting in the Middle Ages.
jordan holmes
Drakaris.
kerry cassidy
So, apparently, of course, England has a long history surrounding the dragons, as does China, which is interesting.
dan friesen
It is interesting.
jordan holmes
That is very interesting.
dan friesen
Very interesting.
jordan holmes
Fascinating.
dan friesen
So dragons are real, and they are...
jordan holmes
They are Dracos and raptors.
dan friesen
And raptors.
jordan holmes
So I would say let's go with Chinese dragons because they don't have wings.
We're going to call those...
dan friesen
Probably raptors.
jordan holmes
We're going to call those raptors.
dan friesen
Because they don't fly.
jordan holmes
And Dracos...
dan friesen
Dracos don't necessarily fly, though, either.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's part of the...
But Draco suggests that they have wings.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's fascinating to me, like, what won't she believe?
jordan holmes
That is a really good question.
dan friesen
We should try and repackage ourselves as, like, whistleblowers and see if she would interview us.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be great.
dan friesen
I feel like I could send a tip in or something like, but I haven't taken an improv class.
I couldn't roll with it.
I could roll with it.
Okay, well then it's on you then.
jordan holmes
Then it's on me?
dan friesen
Put that in your calendar.
jordan holmes
Actionable items for today.
dan friesen
Yeah, contact Carrie Cassidy.
So we have one more clip.
It's the outro of her interview and this is profoundly disgraceful.
kerry cassidy
So that covers everything, I believe, and I want to thank everyone for watching and for being interested in what Mark Richards has to say.
His wife Joanne is out on the circuit.
She has a website and I will put the URL here.
I encourage you to purchase his written materials as well.
He writes constantly and is a prolific writer.
He's got lots of information out there in written form.
And he's always writing more.
So it's really fascinating information.
He is a very principled and fascinating individual and highly intelligent and conducts himself as a military officer at all times.
So thanks again for watching and for your support.
dan friesen
You know who?
I mean, a lot of crazy people.
Conduct themselves as military people.
jordan holmes
Like Sheriff fucking Clark?
dan friesen
With his fake badges and shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like that kind of piece of shit.
dan friesen
I really think that, I mean, at the end of the day, it is harmless, and it is just fun narratives being pushed out, but at the same time...
She's legitimizing a murderer.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Murderer con man who's trying to make money.
And, you know, whatever.
It's his wife who's making money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's probably not, doesn't have access to a lot of that.
I'm fine with her having a career out of this.
He's not getting out of prison anytime soon.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
dan friesen
So, I'm very conflicted though because she's like, he's a principled man.
That sort of stuff.
It's like...
I don't like the reclaiming of humanity for this guy to a certain extent.
It makes me a little uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
I mean, to reclaim it, he would have to have had it in the first place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think he was probably just a psychopath from the jump.
dan friesen
Probably.
So, we're done.
I had a thought, though, about these new buttons we've got.
Switching gears into this.
Because we're done with this dragon raptor bullshit for now.
Until there's another update.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Which, the eighth visit to...
jordan holmes
Mark Richards?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like somehow we're like, we're all Mark Richards when we go to Project Camelot.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, she doesn't post things all that often.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
She was just at some seminar, she gave a speech in Ireland, and I'll check in on that.
But, you know, she doesn't post things all that often, and it happened last week.
Like, it's a big deal.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
We got a new update from Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
But, these buttons.
We got new buttons.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
We've tweeted out a picture of them.
They're amazing.
And if you would like one of these buttons, here's my proposal.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I need, for you, the listener.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
The wonk.
Instead of donating money to get one of these buttons, I propose that you send us at knowledgefightatgmail.com, our email address, proof.
That you have posted a link to our website on a Reddit board or a message board somewhere.
Something like that.
jordan holmes
You craven opportunist.
dan friesen
Why not, though?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Help get the word out.
Send a link somewhere.
Give a recommendation.
Not on Facebook, necessarily.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even though, I don't know if that counts.
unidentified
Wherever.
dan friesen
Some message board where there's some fucking activity.
Don't go to one of these dead Reddits.
jordan holmes
Or if you've donated to Puerto Rico.
Or if you have...
unidentified
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
No, no, no, no.
I mean this.
I mean it.
dan friesen
I don't care about charity.
I want to get the word out.
No, I support that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, there's so many things.
And, you know, as much as we're hoping to turn this into something that we can do, well, as you want to, you know, full time, like every night, there's also a lot more shit going on.
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Protest.
jordan holmes
If you shit on the Koch brothers' lawn, I will send you ten buttons.
dan friesen
We'll make a shirt for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Individual shirt.
jordan holmes
We'll make a Hillary for prison shirt for you.
dan friesen
We'll have to...
Or a Hillary for MJ-12.
jordan holmes
Yeah, ooh, that'd be fun.
Because right now she's not a member, according to Mark.
dan friesen
Well, it's not real.
But yeah, if you send us an email address, some sort of...
Acknowledgement that you donated to one of these islands.
Because Puerto Rico's not the only one that needs help at this point.
No, I mean, fuck.
That or proof.
jordan holmes
Dominica.
dan friesen
Or proof that you posted a link to us on Reddit.
jordan holmes
It'd be nice if you did both.
dan friesen
If you antagonize the Alex Jones fans on the at Infowars.
unidentified
That'd be great.
dan friesen
The Reddit slash Infowars.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Something like that.
We'll send you one of these new buttons.
Also send us your address.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Promise not to dox you.
That is the knowledge fight promise.
jordan holmes
Right.
I did get one returned to me, and I lost the address, so send an email if you haven't gotten the button, because I was apparently 20 cents short on the stand.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you have emailed us about the buttons and you haven't gotten it, check back in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've sent out pretty much all of them, and I got one back.
dan friesen
Mailing is hard.
jordan holmes
Toxic mailing is hard, too.
dan friesen
It's true.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
I'm deflated.
jordan holmes
What's our website?
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Dan, what's our Twitter handle?
dan friesen
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Dan, where can you find us?
dan friesen
Facebook.
jordan holmes
Where else can you find us?
dan friesen
iTunes.
Subscribe.
jordan holmes
Where else can you find us?
dan friesen
On the streets.
You can find us on the streets.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Out there chopping shit up, set tripping with raptors.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That's where we be.
Wait, are our names Malaysian sounding or are we raptors?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think they're made up.
Dan.
And Dan, I have one more question for you.
dan friesen
Dan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I know.
This is bullshit.
dan friesen
You guys both have Dan in your name.
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Why are you saying that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm pretending I'm a skeptical Mark Richards fan.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
One more question, Dan.
dan friesen
You know what?
Actually, I have a theory.
jordan holmes
I have a theory.
dan friesen
I think that John Rappaport doesn't have dentures.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Here's a good theory.
dan friesen
I think it's quite possible that he doesn't have human teeth to begin with.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I think that it's within the realm of possibility that he has raptor teeth.
jordan holmes
No!
Then in that case, since we know that Mark Richards loves raptors, and raptors are actually evil, then that means you can go fuck yourself, John Rappaport!
dan friesen
You're not going to kill me for chocolate.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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