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Oct. 24, 2025 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Black Prof to White ‘Allies:’ Be Like John Brown

Jared Taylor and Paul Kersey note the benevolent views of Prof. Stacey Patton. They also discuss self-deportation, black homicide, and good news from Italy and Austria.

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Ladies and gentlemen, dear listeners, welcome to Radio Renaissance.
I'm your host, Jared Taylor.
And with me is my indispensable co-host, the one and only Paul Kersey.
Today is October 23rd, year of our Lord, 2025.
And as usual, we begin with comments.
Here's a rather mirthful one.
You're in debt to me in the amount of one bottle of tequila, or at least one solid shot.
I was enjoying your podcast, Black Police Chiefs Will Stop Crime.
You said that the Egyptian police chief of Long Beach had burst the papyrus ceiling and had become chief, and that King Tut would be proud.
My shot of tequila intended for my gut got snorted out under my desk.
A terrible waste, perhaps even a crime here in Texas.
You owe me that shot and maybe the rest of the bottle in punitive damages.
I enjoy listening to your older podcast, much as I enjoy revisiting old articles and books.
They're like old friends.
Well, thank you, Texas commenter, tequila drinking commenter.
Another comment, this time from all the way on the other side of the country over in Seattle's King County.
You know, King County used to be named for a good white man by the name of King.
Apparently had some sort of nefarious connections with the slave trade who was determined to be racist one way or another.
And so, without changing any of the letterhead, they just renamed King County in name of St. Martin.
It's not Martin Luther King County.
In any case, it recently posted a job available to internal King County employees only.
The public cannot apply.
The position is DEI and Training Program Manager for the King County Superior Court.
This will be a full-time position, 35 hours a week, with a starting pay of $135,000 a year, not chump change.
Odds of this position going to white person are essentially zero, says our listener.
And he also sent along a screenshot of this advertisement.
This position will support implementing the court's first DEI strategic plan and roadmap to oversee the formation and implementation of training programs for superior court employees.
The court system must be open to all, trusted by all, and to provide justice for all.
Well, DEI guarantees that none of that will happen.
To fulfill the Superior Court's mission, values, and vision, employees at all levels serve the complex needs of a diverse population and therefore applying equity and social justice is a daily responsibility and foundational expectation.
Wowie Zowie.
So, yep, if you are an employee, still a few days, a still employee of King County, there's still a few days left, which you can send in your application.
Now, of course, if you're white, according to this same newsletter, you can join the county's anti-racist white action group.
A-R-W-A-G, no doubt pronounced ARWAG.
That sounds a little bit like Rahua.
And Mr. Kersey, you're one of the few people who know what Rahua means.
Need not get into that.
It says, let's see, you're invited to join the anti-racist white action group, ARWAG, at their next meeting, October 28th.
At this month's meeting, participants will explore how conflict, when approached with intention and care, can become a powerful tool for building trust, creating mutual understanding, and challenging white dominant culture.
I guess that's why black people are always shooting each other.
They're just not approaching it right, because if they approach it with attention and care, conflict became a means of challenging white dominant culture.
Don't they know that?
They need to attend the anti-racist white action group, and they'll find out.
It do be that way, Mr. Taylor.
Oh, my goodness.
That's all right.
That's all right.
Well, it could be that way.
It could be that way.
Let's see.
ARWAG is one of King County's affinity groups.
It addresses racism and other forms of oppression, other forms of oppression.
Can there be any other, Mr. Kersey?
And it advances the county's equity and social justice goals.
You can learn anti-racist behavior and connect with others and build relationships.
I guess you can be friends with other anti-racist white people.
Mrs. Terncy, real quick, you could come up with a hodgepodge of all these terms that we've encountered over the past eight years doing this wonderful podcast.
And I think you could put on a seminar on the weekend where you just made up a CV, made up an academic background, and you could probably make well into the six figures by going around the country and just talking about all these hilarious forms of inequity that exists.
Oh, I could sling this stuff as well as the best of them.
I'd be just the hot gospeler of DEI.
No barbecue.
No barbecue in your backyard?
Well, that's barbecue equity.
Barbecue equity.
We need equity and ill always.
Apparently, as a footnote, King County has an Asian anti-group, anti-racist group too.
But I guess that's the anti-racist Asian racist group.
Arag, not Arwag.
These all sound like war cries to me.
Let's see.
Here is another comment.
This didn't get much coverage, but the University of Virginia has agreed to comply with the Department of Justice's anti-discrimination guidelines on DEI.
And it will provide quarterly reports to the government on its compliance efforts.
However, UVA retains the authority to oversee and implement its own compliance program without an external monitor.
I'd be happy to be the external monitor.
Nevertheless, DOJ has authority to impose significant sanctions if it concludes that a recipient of federal funding such as UVA has violated the law.
So, UVA is theoretically complying with laws against racial discrimination under threat of financial loss and or federal prosecution.
But a win is still a win, says our listener.
Well, thank you for that.
Yes, a win is still a win, and we count every one of them.
Ladies and gentlemen, we do love to hear from you.
We love to hear your perspectives on the things that we do, especially if we jump the tracks and say something wrong, something that is factually incorrect, especially I hate to be a purveyor of fake news.
I'm never deliberately a purveyor of fake news.
I try to speak nonfiction, not fiction.
And so does Mr. Kersey.
He is less frequently guilty than I. But let us know if you hear of either of us saying something that is not true.
And the way to reach us, there are two ways.
You can go to amran.com, our website, amre n.com, hit the contact us page, and you can send a message directly to me.
Method number two is.
Because we live here at protonmail.com.
Once again, that email address is because we live here at protonmail.com.
And we encourage you, because I believe we're less than a month away from the New Century Foundation conference in Nashville.
Mr. Taylor, I understand there are a few seats available for this fully anticipated event.
There are.
And we just added two people to our conference lineup.
One is an expert on infiltration of, what should we call them, mainstream organizations.
Yes, that's a very important thing to try to do.
And we're also going to have a lady comedian.
I won't mention her name yet, but she is tall, she is beautiful, and she is funny as heck, and she is racially wide awake.
So she will be a big hit, I do not doubt.
Yes, if you go to the homepage of Amran.com, you can find our registration page.
And we welcome you.
Yes, sir.
The events from last year, are those all available to watch somewhere, like on Rumble or a channel, or are those behind a paywall?
No, no, we don't charge for anything except for books.
All of our videos are available for free.
You can find them at Rumble.
You can find them at BitChute.
We used to have a much better organized video program.
We had a conference page back on YouTube when that was not closed to us.
But we got a little jumbled up when they kicked us off.
But yes, they are all available.
If you hunt high and low, you can find them.
Let's mention that real quick because last year, Anthony Cumio gave an amazing keynote address.
Yes, he was wonderful.
He was wonderful.
Absolutely hilarious.
Yes, that's available on Rumble.
Yes, Cumio is, in his own way, is a genius.
Maybe we'll have him back next year.
He was quite wonderful.
I really admire people who have the capacity to make folks laugh, tell jokes, people who are able to talk about serious things in a light manner.
There are three people of whom that comes to mind immediately to our famous, well, they're all three famous and dead, every one of them.
Mark Twain had a way of writing about serious things in just a clever way.
So did the great Joe Sobrat, and so did H.L. Mencken.
I am very envious of that talent.
I just get grim as death when I start writing about or talking about serious things.
Just lose all my sense of humor when that happens.
But anyway, Mr. Kersey, let's start with self-deportation.
That's one of my favorite subjects these days.
DHS officials revealed exclusively to Breitbart News that the agency has issued more than 31,600 fine notices to illegal aliens, totaling more than $9.6 billion.
This is supposed to encourage them to self-deport, but I don't know if they ever expect to claim to collect on any of these fines.
If you've been in the country illegally, presumably you are breaking the law, and if you've been told to leave, or even if you haven't been told to leave, I guess you can rack up fines.
$9.6 billion.
But have they collected a dime?
But DHS says our message is clear.
If you're in the country illegally, leave now or face the consequences.
I guess that means being fined or booted.
DHS is asking illegals to self-deport using the agency's CBP home mobile application.
They can report their self-deportation and in return get money.
They can use the CBP home app to fly home for free and get $1,000 each while preserving the option to return legally.
I wish that were not part of it, or at least you can tell them that, but just not let them in.
DHS officials said ICE was on pace to deport almost 600,000 illegals by the end of the first year of Trump's second term.
Already, 400,000 have gotten the boot.
We can expect 200,000 more to get shot across the border.
Now, at the same time, another 1.6 million illegals have already buggered off, says DHS.
I think that's great.
Those don't cost us a dime.
They've self-deported, although how many of them have collected their $1,000 on the way out, I do not know.
Meanwhile, Mr. Kersey, you can expect deportations to increase rapidly as the days go by because ICE has hired over 5,000 new agents to help enforce federal immigration law.
Oh, what a difference an election can make.
No, it really is incredible.
It is incredible.
Unimaginable under Joe Biden or any Democrat or even any Republican up till now.
Absolutely incredible.
I've got stuff for our listeners who've, if they've gone back and listened to the archives, a lot of the stuff are just low-hanging fruit when it comes to just simply enforcement.
The problem of illegal immigration, Mr. Taylor, is, of course, just the vast numbers who have been let in over the past three, four decades.
And then birthright citizenship that children that they might have immediately get.
I mean, these problems are not insurmountable.
They're not something that can't be overcome.
It's been, it's become much, much harder than it should have been because we let the problem fester to the point where you have all of these people who think these folks have a right to live here, whether they themselves are here legally or not.
All these people who are attacking ICE agents who are simply enforcing federal law, cities and states who are arraying every possible obstacle to make sure they can't do their jobs.
It is a terrible mess that could have been avoided if we just never let them in, never let them in.
A stitch in time saves nine.
Wow.
In any case, let's see.
Oh, another little item about homeland security.
And this really does have to do with the security of the people who keep the homeland secure.
DHS announced on October 14th the arrest of Eduardo Aguilar, an illegal from Mexico who was living in Dallas, after he posted on TikTok a solicitation in Spanish asking for people to murder ICE agents.
His post called for 10 dudes in TALUS in Dallas.
I don't know how you say dudes in Spanish, but in any case, 10 dudes.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Dudos, dudas.
Duda.
10 dudes in Dallas with determination who aren't afraid to.
And he had two skull emojis, and he offered $10,000 for each ICE agent.
At the time of his arrest, Aguilar had a loaded 9-millimeter handgun in his vehicle.
It's a felony for aliens to possess firearms in the United States.
He entered the U.S. illegally in 2018, so he's been here for seven years.
At that time, he was an unaccompanied minor and therefore a darling, an absolute darling of the then administration.
On February 8th of 2019, an immigration judge issued him a final order of his removal.
But of course, under Donald Trump, that didn't happen.
I'm sorry, under Joe Biden, that didn't happen.
So he was still around to threaten to have ICE agents killed.
So there you go.
Good riddance to him.
I don't think he's going to be around too much longer.
Maybe he will be transited through Alligator Alcatraz, but that's on the other side of the country.
I think they'll just boot him quickly across the border.
And of course, you know, you never know with a guy who's issued threats like this.
I wonder if the authorities will feel obliged to stick him in prison for a while.
I don't really care about that.
I just want him gone, and I want him never to come back.
And if the Mexicans think that he ought to be in prison for menacing authorities, I don't think they much care.
But as I say, I would rather have done with it, get him out, out, out, out, out forever.
So let's see.
Mr. Kersey, you have an amusing story about the San Jose Sharks.
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating.
Sports.
The San Jose Zark Sharks, for those who might not know, are in the National Hockey League here in the United States of America.
And they have apologized for displaying a message on the Jumbotron.
That's the large screen that usually is above either the playing field or the ice surface of the stadium that appeared to praise immigration and customs enforcement during the team's Hispanic Heritage Night.
SJ Sharks fans love ICE.
Get him, boys.
The message read during the first intermission of the team's game against the Pittsburgh Penguins at the SAP Center.
SAP.
Oh, it's in Joseph.
ICE fans.
I like that.
Those are people who come watch hockey, right?
Yeah.
I just understood the pun.
That's cleverer than I thought.
Yes, go get them, boys.
Get him.
Yeah, just ice them.
Ice them.
Ice them good.
Check them.
The post immediately sparked outrage from those in attendance.
Many heard booing in response as the sharks were holding their ninth annual celebration, the Hispanic heritage and what they call, forgive my Spanish, Luce Tiburones night.
Is that Tiburones night?
How do you pronounce that?
Anyways, in response to the backlash, the shark issued an apology later in the game saying the message was submitted by someone not in attendance and was inadvertently displayed on the N Arena scoreboard.
During the first intermission of the night's game, an offensively worded message, which had been externally submitted, was inadvertently displayed on our scoreboard.
The NHL team posted this past weekend.
Shark Sports Entertainment deeply regrets this message, which does not meet our organization's values, was not detected during our standard review process.
The Sharks organization sincerely apologizes for this oversight, and we are actively working to determine the origin of the message.
I'm sure that someone's going to try and say that this was hate speech, whatever that means.
One fan in attendance, Hispanic, she is not, Jessica Clark said she and her friends were appalled by the message.
They're my favorite team.
I even have tattoos.
This was something that should have been caught.
Unfortunately, the San Jose Sharks couldn't stop the Pittsburgh attack.
They lost 3-0.
So they couldn't stop the puck from icing them out of the game.
You know, they make it sound as though somebody just from completely outside their organization could send in a message and have it displayed on the Jumbotron.
If that's true, then we had to send a bunch of messages in to the sharks.
I'll say, gosh.
I wonder if this is all just squidding to cover up the fact that they know exactly who did it.
I mean, how can they not know who put a message on the Jumbotron?
I should think that's very, very limited access because who knows what kind of nonsense it would get up there.
Anyway.
Gracious.
Yeah, you know, again, but this begs the question.
How can you be against ICE?
I really don't understand that.
And this just comes from somebody who's just, again, if you're in the country illegally and if American citizenship means anything, how can you not be for removing illegal aliens?
Well, they feel that the United States is up for grabs.
Come one, come all.
I think there are a lot of people who genuinely believe that.
They've been told that over and over and over, that we're here practically illegally ourselves, white man.
Get back to England, Kimo-Sabe.
So I think that's what they believe.
Anyway, but yes, they are blightly encouraging crime breaking.
But moving to Germany, the Baden-Württemberg Ministry of Justice announced on Monday that 17 members of a Syrian family have voluntarily returned to Syria.
The family arrived in Germany between 2015 and 2020.
So some of them have been here for 10 years.
They've been living in Stuttgart.
The total known crime count for this family comes to 47 assaults, 11 threats, two robberies, three robbery-related thefts, one case of smuggling foreigners, and unattempted murder.
This really is a crime family.
One of the youngest criminals in the family is 17-year-old Khalil.
He committed 34 crimes in just two and a half years, and he's 17 years old.
I guess he started two and a half years ago when he was 14 and a half.
He's now serving prison time after having stabbed a young woman.
He has three other brothers from this family who are also in the big house, Mr. Kersey.
Four of this lovely Syrian family had already left the country earlier this year, departing directly from prison after they were released or from pre-trial detention.
The remaining 13 boarded a scheduled flight from Stuttgart Airport to Turkey, where they were going to change planes, and they went on board along with regular passengers who had no idea that serious criminals were amongst them.
Each received 1,350 euros.
That's probably about $1,500 each.
That's under Germany's voluntary return program totaling around 18,000 euros.
That must be something over $20,000 in taxpayer cash.
Officials said that this was a bargain compared with deportation, especially because Syria will not accept anyone these days.
This just infuriates me, these countries that won't accept their malefactors, and we need to get rid of them.
There's got to be some kind of pressure you could put on some foreign country that won't take its own criminals back.
Back in the old days, you just send a gunboat and you'd bombard the capital until they said, yes, sir, we'll do whatever you say.
But I guess that's out of style now.
It shouldn't be.
Well, yes, they won't take their people back.
Well, we'll give them a little gift, a little persuasion of high explosive and see if that'll change their minds.
But good news from Italy also on October 21st, six members of an Italian migrant rescue charity, I think maybe you could call that a crime family too, they went on trial in Sicily after bringing 27 migrants to Italy, despite the fact that Italy and Malta both had refused to accept them.
Now this was a curious case.
I remember when it happened.
It has to do with the Mare Gionio.
That's a ship operated by the Mediterranean Saving Humans, MSH, Mediterranea Saving Humans, which took 27 migrants off a giant tanker in 2020 and brought them to Italy.
The group had been stranded on the Danish tanker Maersk Etienne for over a month.
Now, how did they get stranded there?
Well, this tanker owned by the Danes had taken pity on these people about to drown, and they picked them up, but neither Italy nor Malta would accept them.
Now, why they can't take them back to where they belong, of course, it's pretty expensive to operate a tanker.
And I don't know, just put them in a small boat and say, you know, Libya is that away.
But they were on for a month, on for a month, 27 of them.
What a pest that must have been, these 27, whoever they were.
In any case, the people that are on trial now include the co-founder of this so-called charity, Luca Casarini, the ship's captain, and three crew members.
So what they did, they agreed with the Danish tanker line to remove all of these 27, and the prosecutors allege that they received 125,000 euros, that's about $145,000, from the Maersk Danish line after the event.
Now, I don't know if that makes any difference, but I'm very, I'm sure that the Danes were absolutely delighted to have these 27 absolutely unwanted people taken off their hands.
In any case, previous attempts to prosecute crew members of rescue vessels have all petered out, either before or during preliminary hearings.
Finally, we have got some of these people in the dock, so to speak, and let's hope they never set sail again.
Meanwhile, Austria's decision to deport a rapist back to Afghanistan has provoked criticism from Amnesty International.
It called the move a betrayal of human rights.
Rapists have rights too.
The deportation was carried out on October 21st, and it was the first from Austria to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.
This was a 31-year-old Afghan who was guilty of rape.
and grievous bodily harm.
That is all I will tell our delicate listeners about his crime.
Now, the fact of his deportation was coordinated directly with Afghan authorities following, according to news accounts, months of preparatory talks.
It takes months of talking to the Taliban to get one swine out.
But Amnesty International said anyone who extradites people to a state that commits crimes against its population is breaking the law.
This betrayal of human rights must be stopped immediately.
Well, Freedom Party General Secretary, Freedom Party, that is about the staunchest Austrian party going.
And he's the Homeland Security spokesman, Michael Schnedlitz, called Amnesty's protests an unbelievable and perverse act of perpetrator worship.
Now, that's a pretty good expression, I think.
Perpetrated worship.
We have a lot of that going on in this country, too, don't we, Mr. Kersey?
We have way too much of that going on.
Way too much of that going on.
Now, here we have, I don't know what to call it.
These stories so depress me that it is only with a heavy heart that I put them on the air.
But Mr. Kersey, you must tell our listeners what has happened to some of our Confederate heroes once they fell into enemy hands.
We've mentioned this and we've mentioned this art exhibit that is now getting glowing praise from the Guardian, from the New York Times.
And this article comes to us from the Los Angeles Times because it is in the backyard of the newspaper.
It's at the Mocha Geffen there, the Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles.
While Trump restores Confederate monuments, this bold LA art exhibition confronts them.
For the past decade, monuments have been a flashpoint in America's heated cultural wars, especially Confederate memorials.
150 statues and monuments were doused, painted, defaced, and brought down by protesters.
But in Trump's second term, they're being reinstalled.
Statue of Confederate General Pike Albert Pike is returning to Judiciary Square in D.C., and another, known as the Reconciliation Monument, will be restored to Arlington Cemetery.
I believe before this is all over, Mr. Taylor, a lot more of these monuments are going to come back.
That's just editorializing.
The tumultuous state of affairs is supercharging a provocative, highly anticipated new exhibition titled Monuments, featuring nearly a dozen removed statues, some towering up to 15 feet.
The show is co-organized and co-presented by the MOCA and the BRIC.
It opens today, actually, October 23rd and runs through May 3rd, 2026 in Los Angeles.
It was supposed to debut two years ago, and if it had, it would have entered a radically different political landscape.
I think that's the most important line from this whole story, Mr. Taylor, is that I think there are people within the Trump administration who would love to get their hands back on these monuments.
That, again, legally questioning how does this museum even have access to some of these monuments.
Quote, suddenly everyone thinks we're doing this in response to our president, which isn't the case at all.
This is more of a case of a political movement coming around to capture us, said Mocha's senior curator Bennett Simpson, who organized the show alongside BRIC director Hamza Walker, artist Kara Walker, one of your favorite artists in the planet.
Yes.
Curatorial associate Hannah Burstein, and MOCA assistant curator Paula Kroll.
The urgent, raw, and ongoing nature of the public debate around civil rights, rights made all the more incendiary by the Trump's admins attempts to minimize the history of slavery by threatening to remove artworks related to it at the Smithsonian National Parks contributes to the power of the exhibition.
The power, the boldness.
Boy, they just are not stinting with their adulatory adjectives, are they?
No, and The Guardian and the New York Times were even more just sacrificing language.
Oh, just bubbling over with respect and admiration.
But of course, it juxtaposes the statues with art that elicits emotionally charged responses.
Well, I plan on going to this in November.
I'm going to fly and visit some family and we are going to head to this event.
I plan on taking a lot of photos and take a lot of pictures.
We'll probably have an essay and maybe a video or two at the MOCA.
But anyways, Simpson, the curator, said that of the 18 contemporary participating artists, this is an associative poetic art show.
An associative poetic art show?
That's what he says, yes.
Oh, good grief.
What in that world that even means?
Spitting on Confederates is associative, associative.
Yeah, I'm surprised they don't allow you to fit or I'm surprised they don't actually have an open can of paint and allow you to draw all over.
Oh, even better, even better.
Have an aluminum bat beside everyone.
Take a whack.
Why not?
Well, I mean, just just personally, one of the statues that is there is one that you you posted a picture of that I took from the Valentine in Richmond, Virginia of Jefferson Davis that used to stand magnificently, triumphantly on Monument Avenue, which was the most beautiful street in the United States of America at one point.
And you and I had the misfortune of walking it during the very dark days of June 2020 in the beating heart of whatever you want to call that racial awokening, that revolution we all lived through.
Black live madness, I call it.
Yeah, it was.
And seeing it at the Valentine, its right arm almost severed, just hanging on and its face bashed in and graffiti all over it.
It's in the same position at this mocha.
I was trying to figure out a way to try and get it out of the museum, but I didn't know how heavy it was.
Well, hire the guys who stole the crown jewels from the Louvre.
They'll find a way.
Well, this is a little bit bigger.
This is about a 10 foot statue.
So it's going to be kind of hard to put in your pant pocket and walk out.
Excuse me, guys.
But those clever guys.
Excuse me, is that a statue in your pocket or are you just happy to see us?
Yeah, they might find out a way.
Those are clever fellows.
But it was a statue titled Confederate Women of Maryland.
This is a beautiful statue.
Take a moment here and Google Confederate Women of Maryland statue.
It was erected in Baltimore by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
It features two women, one of whom is cradling a fallen male soldier in her lap and a tableau resembling Michelangelo's Pieta.
Hopefully I pronounced that correctly.
Pieta, yes.
Yeah.
This monument resides directly across from a series of photographs by John Henry featuring black mothers, similarly holding their sons in urban environments, obviously as if they've been gunned down by racist white cops.
Of course.
We can all assume that.
That hasn't.
Every black mother had a son gunned down by racist white cops.
Some, such as a statue, the aforementioned statue of Jeff Davis from Monument Avenue, is splattered in paint by protesters.
Now, this I didn't know.
Others include the base of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, which was covered in graffiti with phrases like protect black women.
They appear in the museum just as they look when they were removed from parks and plazas in Richmond and Charlottesville, Virginia, respectively.
So I guess the base of the statue of General Robert E. Lee, which was, of course, grotesquely melted down two years ago, that is at the museum, which is fascinating.
I didn't know that.
That's not a particularly impressive base, though.
It's not compared to the monument that went up in 1890 back in Richmond, Virginia, the Robert E. Lee Monument, which was, in my opinion, probably the grandest monument in the entire country.
When it stood, if you ever got a chance to see it, ladies and gentlemen, you stood in the shadow of greatness we might never see again.
The base itself was a magnificent work of art.
Yes, it was.
And then that stunning statue of Robert E. Lee right on top on horseback looking just as dignified, as magnificent as it could possibly be.
Oh, dear.
And our barbarian Richmond government and Virginia government turned its back on it and betrayed its pledge to love and cherish that monument forever.
Well, demography is disgusting.
And elections have consequences.
And the reason that happened is because the Virginia legislature slipped and they immediately voted to remove the protection on monuments.
And then Mayor Stoney, the mayor of Richmond at the time in 2020, decided that due to the ongoing black violence, Antifa violence, violence that gave him the right to at least remove four of the statues on monument avenue of maury stewart jackson uh those were gone uh and it took a uh the courts to decide in 2021 to finally remove the robert e.
at least at you.
Anyways, Davis, he now rests on his side in a room with a group of chilling photographs taken by Andres Serrano of hooded Klansmen from the state of Georgia.
You know, Serrano, isn't Serrano the guy who did that famous photograph called Piss Christ?
You might want to look that up as I read a little bit more.
That would be, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you might be right.
There might be a different Serrano.
Who's the Serrano that you mentioned here?
Yeah, so these are photos from the 90s.
Andres Serrano of-Andres Serrano?
Andres Serrano of Klan leaders in Georgia.
There's also a statue of former Supreme Court Justice Roger B. Taney, who in 1857 wrote the majority opinion in the notorious Dred Scott case, which ruled that slaves could never be citizens and thus were property, sits beside a statue of prominent newspaper owner Joseph Sophia
Daniels, who helped foment the 1898 Wilmington massacre in which a mob of more than 2,000 white supremacists killed as many as 300 people in the course of overthrowing the city's duly elected biracial government.
You know, I don't recall hearing about that, but I guess that's one of those terrible white wickednesses that have been suppressed by Donald Trump.
I actually do know about this because I've been reading about a lot of these battles.
There was one in Greensboro, North Carolina in the late 1970s, which I've become fascinated with because Greensboro, Mr. Taylor is a court-Oh, that was the Klan.
That was the Klan shootout.
That was.
And then-Yeah, yeah.
Greensboro.
Greensboro is the city where the infamous Woolworths sit-in took place.
But this one where you said they killed up to 300 blacks?
You ought to look into this.
This is actually-I think this-No, that's a big exaggeration.
Oh, there's a lot to this story.
This is actually one that I'm surprised hasn't gotten more Tulsa 1924 type play.
A lot to both sides, though.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not.
It is-This was a great-This statue was a great-Joseph Fias Daniels was a great man.
I'll go on record as saying that.
So was Tanny.
I mean, I'm sorry.
These statues-I cannot wait to see this event because, Mr. Taylor, think about this.
This event was supposed to happen two years ago.
And there were a lot more monuments.
I've been looking in to see the monuments they were actually trying to acquire.
Do you remember that monument at Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta, Georgia, which was commemorated the Confederate dead, which was-It was basically a facsimile of that famous statue in France of the lion on the- Oh, isn't that in Richmond, Virginia?
No, it actually was in Oakland.
It was at the Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta.
I saw it 15 years ago.
It's the dying lion.
The dying lion.
The wounded lion, yes.
The wounded lion, that's correct.
And they had to remove it from Oakland Cemetery because it was vandalized so much there in Atlanta.
This is about the time that they got rid of Confederate Avenue and they started renaming all these roads in Atlanta, I'm sure, for John Lewis.
They decided to name another street from Martin Luther King.
I don't know.
There's 10 in Atlanta.
Boulevard Street, road, thoroughfare, roundabout.
Anyways.
But no, this wasn't going to be a massive celebration because I'm sure they were hoping to add a lot of other dead white males.
I'm sure they'd love to have a statue to, I don't know.
I'm sure they could find something racist about Roosevelt.
Didn't he do redlining?
Franklin Roosevelt?
I mean, come on.
He's a big hero.
But yeah, I'm sure he approved redlining.
They were probably hoping they were going to get the statue of John Wayne from the John Wayne airport there, which I've flown into many times in Orange County.
There was a push.
I'm not making this up.
Back in 2020, there was a push.
Mr. Taylor.
We talked about it.
There was a push to rename the airport and take the statue down because of that interview John Wayne gave to Playboy, where he talked about race and intelligence and America.
And it's incredible.
It made me want to go watch the searchers all over again.
Across from these frozen in-time relics is a wall of studio portraits of black North Carolinians taken in 1910 by photographer Hugh Mangum, whose contact sheets of both black and white people show that he ran an integrated studio in the Jim Crow South.
The people in proud hunting photos would have been alive during the Wilmington massacre, Simpson noted.
It's important for him to meet his public.
Hamza Walker first conceived of monuments when the statues began coming down in the wake of the 2015 shooting at Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina.
That hate crime, which targeted blacks, resulted in nine deaths, and it sparked a mass movement against the veneration of figures who fought to perpetrate slavery in America.
What to do with the country's many Confederate statues and monuments has become a matter for debate.
Some people thought they should remain untouched with added plaques addressing the history of slavery.
Others felt they should be destroyed, which we're going to learn is what happened to the Stonewall Jackson statue from Charlottesville.
For the most part, the removed statues were tucked away out of sight.
The pieces featured in monuments are on loan to MOCA, trucked in on tractor trailers from whatever obscure location they were stored, hidden under tarps and water treatment facilities, as they were in Richmond, which is where all the monuments currently are, at the water treatment facility in Richmond, Virginia.
There are literally hundreds of monuments there, sir, that were taken down from Richard.
Wait, wait, wait.
At the water treatment facility in Richmond?
Hundreds?
There's a picture.
You can go to the MOCA website and you can click on the store and you can then go to the exhibition book and you can see a couple PDF pages.
And one of the pages is an aerial shot of the water treatment facility.
And you just see hundreds of monuments that are just there on the ground with graffiti all over them.
There were, you know, they took cannons.
They took, you know, they didn't touch Hollywood Cemetery.
You and I walked through that just absolutely, unbelievably haunting landscape where we saw the pyramid to the Confederate dead that was built in 1869, which still stands.
But no, there are hundreds of artifacts that were taken up.
They spent countless hours, the curators, writing detailed proposals about how they intended to use the statues.
For the most part, have to be returned.
They had to give assurances that the pieces would be treated with care, insured, and protected from harm.
A single artwork is housed across town at the brick.
It is set in relief because it stands in a category all of its own, said Hamza Walker.
Kara Walker's unnamed drone is the only monument that has been physically altered.
She used a plasma cutter to splice apart a statue of Confederate General Stonewall Jackson, which she welded back together an entirely new form.
Jackson no longer has a face, but his hair is speared by a portion of his horse's upper thigh.
The horse now appears to be standing upright with its head protruding from the back of its saddle.
Jackson's arm, which was amputated before his death, is now separated from his body and effects and affixed to the edge of the statue's base.
His legs are sliced open and his saber rests on the ground beside the desiccated, reconfigured hole.
Dissected, I'm sorry, dissected.
Have you seen a photograph of this?
I have.
Yeah.
I saw a photograph that purported to be this, but I couldn't make hidden or tails of it.
It's so ghastly and just ghoulish and you can see the horse's legs.
You can make out sort of what it is, but it's just all reconfigured in this trends.
It's been transmorgified in such a manner.
It's like, what the, you know, we're going to make the Stonewall Jackson statue that's going to go back up in Charlottesville four times the size that it was to rival the one of Genghis Khan that's on the Mongol steppes that, you know, people of Kara Walker's status deserve to watch when it goes back up.
I mean, this is, this is just hateful.
Absolutely hateful.
No, it is.
It's disgusting.
Yeah, she said the effect, the article, the Los Angeles Times opines, the effect is breathtaking and violent.
Quote, ideologically, it's an affront.
Aesthetically, it's an affront.
On a piano, it's not just a chord.
This is a tone cluster, said Hamza Walker of the reimagined statue.
Kara went for it.
She did what artists do in terms of marshaling an energy and force and then concentrating it on the object and coming up with this piece.
The statue, hold on one second.
The statue was deeded to the brick, which wrote a competitive proposal to get it for the sole purpose of transformation.
This is because the statue, by virtue of its recent ugly history, had become radioactive.
Again, the city of Charlottesville, there were a number of individuals, sir, who bidded on the Robert E. Lee statue from Charlottesville and the Stonewall Jackson statue.
Organizations that put up six figures to try and acquire these monuments to celebrate them so that they would be honored and venerated.
And the fact that it was basically just given by this black museum in Charlottesville to this woman, this maniacally anti-white, quote-unquote, artist, to do what she did, it will be remembered.
And this museum, it has also a General Lee car from the popular 1970s show, The Dukes of Hazard, which it's in a, you know, it's been destroyed.
The front part is, it's as if it's been in a car accident, which again, that's almost an homage to the show.
If you've seen the show, the General Lee gets destroyed in every episode and the white men of Hazard County rebuild it and then they go about running liquor again as bootleggers.
There's also the statue of Matthew of Matthew Maury, Fontaine Murray, the naval commander of the Confederate Army and one of the pioneers of the sea who charted the sea.
It's a beautiful statue that was on Monument Avenue.
And then there's one more monument of Jackson and Lee from Baltimore, which you might recall, we talked about it.
It was removed in 2017.
And a lot of our listeners probably are thinking, why did Maryland have so many statues of Confederates that were up in Baltimore until 2017, even though the city had been majority black for a few decades?
Sir, that's because Maryland was basically forced to stay neutral during the Civil War.
You might want to opine here and throw in some of your… Well, as you know and some of our listeners probably know, it stayed the Union because Abraham Lincoln arrested the legislature.
Arrested the people in the state legislature who are going to vote to secede.
That's a famous act of absolute tyranny.
He rounded up newspaper editors, put them in jail too.
But can you imagine that?
A state is about to pass legislation that you don't approve of.
You just arrest them all.
And people think Donald Trump is an authoritarian.
No, I mean, exactly.
You talk about fascism.
I mean, that's whether it was throwing newspaper editors in jail who were Presbyterian northern congregations who their newspapers were saying, hey, what is this invasion of the South?
This doesn't make any sense.
And then just shutting them down.
It is incredible.
But again, if any of our listeners, if any of our listeners out in Los Angeles, if you guys could do this, if you could go to the museum, because I won't be able to go probably till November, but we'd love to get pictures of all the exhibits.
This would be a story for Amrin.com, put it together.
We'll put it together for you.
But just get pictures.
If someone could go and then that would be fantastic, because I'm not sure when I'll be able to get there, but it's something that you should go see because we were told that these monuments, they don't belong in the public for reverence and to cast aspersions upon blacks who walk by and then haunt them with their white privilege stony stares, that they belong to museums.
And look what they did to the, look what they did to the Stonewall Jackson statue.
That's all you need to know.
Well, by the way, this Solano guy is exactly the same guy who did the photograph, Piss Christ, it was called.
It was a photograph of a crucifix immersed in a bottle of his urine.
He's a wonderful guy, this Solano.
No, I mean, again, this I've told a lot of people about this monument, and I've said, look, we need to be talking about this because the Trump administration, they could probably do something knowing what they're doing with the one statue of Pike that's going back up in D.C., knowing what Trump, when they tried to tear down the Andrew Jackson statue, that was what kind of turned things around back in June of 2020, if you remember, sir.
I remember.
They tried to tear it down right in front of the White House during the just brutally horrific days of just violence in late May, early June of 2020 in D.C. And it would be a wonderful moment to join hundreds of thousands of Our fellow citizens in Richmond to watch Monument Avenue be restored to its former glory and to watch the Arthur Ashe statue come down.
Because again, there's no reason to even consider Arthur Ashe, the tennis player, in the same breath as men like Stewart, Maury, Jackson, Lee.
Well, as you know, I'm not necessarily in favor of taking these things down.
I think we should leave the traces of the folly of those who came before us, but be that as it may.
Yes, these are very trying times for anyone who has any sense of history, any sense of this country as its historical founders wanted it to be.
Deeply, deeply disturbing in a whole host of ways.
Well, I suppose what we should do is go on to our next story.
If I can find where I was in our documents here, let's see.
Oh, yes.
Oops.
Oh, I got lost.
I was looking up Mr. Serrano, and I guess that was a mistake.
Here, Stacey Patton, probably a good friend of Cara Walker, the person who absolutely butchered that magnificent statue of Stonewall Jackson.
She is a professor of journalism at Howard University.
In a recent blog post titled, John Brown Didn't Ask Enslaved People How to Be a Good White Ally, she discouraged white liberals from asking her how to be a better ally.
Instead, she says, be like John Brown.
So when white allies ask, what can I do?
Here's the answer.
Ask yourself, what am I willing to burn so somebody else can breathe?
Well, Mr. Kersey, what are you willing to burn so that black people can breathe?
Brown didn't need a syllabus, a thank piece, or a guidebook, or allyship.
He didn't need affirmation from black folks that he was one of the good ones.
He saw the horror for what it was and decided that ending this racist fuckery mattered more than being understood.
What a hero.
She explains that trying to guide white people in their allyship is, quote, exhausting as hell.
Oh, it's so tiring to tell people, white people, how to help us.
It's the paradox of white so-called goodness.
They want to be seen trying, but the trying itself becomes another demand on the people that are already harmed.
That's right.
All this effort you make trying to do me good, that's just yet another burden on my overburdened black shoulders.
That's me editorializing.
You don't ask the people choking on the smoke to explain how to put out the blaze, she said.
You go get the damn hose.
You stop pretending you don't see the flames.
That's the real answer.
You already know what to do.
Be honest.
You just don't want to lose the warmth that fire gives you.
So, yes, apparently, ladies and gentlemen, you know whom to kill.
You know what to burn down, but you're already having such a good time benefiting so much from the impression and the slaughter of black people, you just don't dare do it.
She says, if you don't want to die like John Brown, that's fine, but understand that somebody always does.
Wow.
I mean, I haven't read something quite as brutal as this in some time.
She's saying, the only way you can help us black people, don't ask us what to do.
You know what to do.
Go out and kill people.
Go out and burn things down.
That's the only thing it'll help.
Go ahead.
So who was this John Brown who's supposed to be your and my model, Mr. Kersey?
If we wish to bring happiness, sweetness, and light to this country in peaceful reconciliation.
He, of course, was in Kansas during the bleeding Kansas period.
He led the Pottawatomie Massacre of May 1856.
Brown, along with four of his sons, killed five men thought to be supporters of slavery.
They walked up with sabers and carved the men up like so many chops and steaks, they did.
And in October 1859, of course, he famously led the attack on the federal arsenal at Harper's Ferry, Virginia.
It's now West Virginia.
The idea was to steal weapons and spark a slave rebellion and kill who knows how many white people.
And four of his sons participated in that little caper as well.
Oliver and Watson were killed during the raid, but Salmon escaped.
And Owen also survived because he'd been assigned to guard the supply base, and he did not come into town with the raiding party.
So you can't fault John Brown for not being committed.
Of course, Robert E. Lee was in charge of the 90 Marines who attacked the Raiders where they were hold up and put down their vote.
And Stonewall Jackson was present when Brown was hanged just 48 days later.
You know who else was there, sir?
I beg your pardon.
Who else was there?
John Wilkes Booth was there.
Oh, that's right.
Yes.
I've always thought one of the great movies that will be made after we win and we actually get to tell the story of America is you start the story right there.
And you show all of this cast of characters who were present.
And John Wilkes Booth volunteered to actually be part of the guard, I believe, to watch John Brown be hanged.
Huh, part of the guard.
He volunteered.
I have some stuff to remember, but there's a great book about John Wilkes Booth I read a few years ago.
And it talks about how that was one of his great moments of his life, not playing all these Shakespearean roles across the country and around the world, but it was watching John Brown be hanged.
Well, I underlined the fact that he was hanged 48 days after the attack on Harper's Ferry.
Justice was quick in those days.
48 days.
I have never understood why it takes two years or more just to get the evidence ready for trial, for heaven's sake.
Well, real quick on that same note, you probably saw where, again, elections have consequences.
The federal government has now brought charges onto Carlos Brown and the murder of Irina.
Oh my gosh, why am I blanking on her last name?
Zarutska.
Zaruska.
Irina Zaruka.
So the federal government is now going to have the opportunity to.
I disapprove of that.
It was a state crime.
I don't like this idea, the federal government jumping in and trying people all over again.
Is it the idea that the feds can give them the death penalty, whereas the state can't?
I just don't like that kind of carrying on.
It's a state crime.
The state was delaying until mid-2026.
Even to bring him to trial.
They've delayed the trial until mid-2026.
Well, even so, even so.
This kind of double jeopardy.
The Constitution says you can't be tried twice for the same crime.
I think this is really quite horrible precedent.
Don't like it when they do it.
People on the other side, this side, it doesn't matter either way.
I don't like it.
But Mr. Kersey, let's move on to a story that you wrote.
You wrote it your very own self with your own two hands for the UNS review, and it has to do with black homicide.
And you were quoting a report from the Violence Policy Center, which wants gun control.
It thinks guns are the problem.
But fortuitously, it has assembled all sorts of statistics, according to which it becomes very clear that guns aren't the problem.
Certain people are the problem.
In 2022, the most recent year for which we have complete data, young black men aged 15 to 34 made up only 2% of the U.S. population, but they accounted for 36% of all firearm homicide fatalities.
That means they were 20 times more likely to be shot to death than any other Americans.
And gun violence is the leading cause of death for black males ages 15 to 34.
That's a 20-year span.
More likely to be shot to death than to have anything else happen to you.
Die in a traffic accident.
A lot of aspiring rappers.
A lot of expiring rappers.
That's right.
They raised the score.
Young black men are the most dangerous people in America.
And although most of their victims are other young black men, they are far more likely to kill someone who is not a young black man than the other way around.
Therefore, when it comes to committing homicide by firearm, they are more than 28 times more likely.
I have not done the specific calculations, but I suspect it's probably in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 times more likely to kill somebody with a firearm than the other way around.
In 2022, there were 13,466 black homicide victims of all ages.
87.4% were killed with guns.
Black Americans represent 13.6% of the population, but they accounted for 54.1% of the homicide victims.
Now, this is an odd statistic, and it doesn't really seem to me to make that much difference.
This is a list of the 10 states with the highest black homicide victimization rates.
Now, It ends up being a kind of an odd and not necessarily intuitive collection of states, but where blacks are most likely to be killed, the number one place is Missouri, followed by Wisconsin, then Illinois, Oregon, Oregon.
Not many blacks there, but I guess they like to knock each other off.
Louisiana, Kentucky, again, not that many blacks.
Indiana, Arkansas, Peter.
Louisville has a sizable black population.
It just shows it doesn't.
I mean, Portland, it shows you don't need that many.
Portland is 7% black.
Exactly.
It's about 22% black.
Well, that's the point.
It is how often blacks, even if you had only 10 blacks and half of them killed the other half, then you'd have the highest black homicide rate in the entire country by state.
But in any case, very interesting.
Missouri is the top, followed by Wisconsin, Illinois, Oregon, Louisiana, etc.
On average, Mr. Kersey, more than 36 black Americans died each day from homicide.
36 every day.
Bang, bangity bang.
32 were shot to death and four died from other causes.
Now, this is not something that your report goes into, but it'd be fascinating to know how many more were wounded by gunfire.
Because whenever you see these accounts of all this wild blazing away that goes on when blacks gather together, you know, you'll have 100 rounds fired, three dead, 18 wounded.
It'd be interesting to know how many were wounded by gunfire.
How many every day?
If 36 black people, let's see, 32 are shot to death every day, I'd bet you four times that number are wounded every day.
150?
On that subject, I've actually done some extensive research into that.
And trauma surgeons around the country have actually gotten so good at stitching up bodies.
Yeah.
You actually might remember we talked about just how much it costs to repair a body that has been shot and then just the problems associated with there.
You have to have all sorts of extra medical help to just sustain your life afterwards.
That's right.
They get physical therapy for the rest of their lives.
Military trauma surgeons train in places like Memphis and Baltimore because they're going to see more bloodshed than they do on the battlefield.
And I do have one thing I want to throw in real quick.
Okay.
Time is up.
Time is up, I know, but this is actually putting a bow on one of the horrific stories we talked about.
A lot of those monuments that I stated were in the thousands in Richmond.
What they actually are, sir, they're slabs from the granite monument that Robert Elise stood upon.
Oh.
All of the slabs, scores of these slabs just sit on crates at the water facility.
And they've got all the pugines on them.
Because I was curious.
I'm like, wait a second, that can't be right.
There couldn't have been that many.
It's a huge monument.
Oh, it was stunning to see.
I wonder if you could buy one of those, just one little piece of the monument.
I'd love to have one.
You could probably just jump back there and go grab one in a truck.
I mean, Richmond didn't have potable water in January of 2025 for five days.
So perhaps that was a fun place for the monuments.
Or maybe it was just the monuments doing post-teardown damage to the city.
Oh, well, white silences violence.
All those silent Confederates were poisoning the water.
Conspiring.
Well, Mr. Kersey, our time is up.
Ladies and gentlemen, our time is up.
It always happens.
And so we come to an end of this week's podcast.
It is always a joy, always a pleasure, always an honor to spend this time with you.
And we thank you so very much.
We will talk to you next week.
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