Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor - The Feds Take Over DC Policing

Aug. 17, 2025 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

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The Feds Take Over DC Policing

Officer John Patterson explains to Jared Taylor what really happens on the ground when federal agents are sent to do police work. You'll be surprised. Thumbnail credit: © Kyle Mazza - Unf News For Cnp/CNP via ZUMA Press Wire

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	Ladies and gentlemen, dear listeners, this is a special edition of Radio Renaissance.
	I have a very, very well-informed guest who I've had on before.
	This is Officer John Robertson.
	He is a 30-year veteran of city policing.
	He retired as a police captain and patrol commander.
	If police do it, he has probably done it.
	If police don't do it, he may have done some of that too.
	But he's been in vice, undercover narcotics, gangs, SWAT.
	And we'd like to talk about his views of the takeover by the federal government of policing in Washington, D.C. Welcome, Officer John.
	Very glad to have you back on my program.
	It's a pleasure to be back.
	Thank you for having me.
	Yes.
	So first of all, what is your general impression of what Donald Trump is trying to achieve with this mass of federal agents now moving into the District of Columbia?
	Well, we certainly are in interesting times.
	It's kind of fascinating and depressing at the same time that the capital of the United States, the most powerful country on the planet, is now conducting some type of litmus test, some type of saber rattling in its backyard by loosing these federal troops and federal agents onto the D.C., Washington District of Columbia grounds.
	And I believe President Trump is doing this because he wants to take a little test.
	He's trying to, the Posse Comitatus Act is when he's allowed to send military personnel into the states at the governor requests.
	But we all know that Mayor Brandon Johnson or the governor of Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, and the governor of New York, or it's the problems, or Minnesota.
	Tim Waltz is certainly not going to say, President Trump, will you please help me with my out-of-control state and send federal troops?
	So I think what he's doing here in D.C. is he's sending them, putting FBI agents, DEA agents, all of his federal agencies and National Guard troops, as limited as they are.
	He's putting them out on the streets just as a visual show of force, like I said, saber rattling.
	And what he's doing is he's trying to test how the public of that, you know, the particular neighborhoods of D.C. will react and how, what, I mean, what type of success they may have, how the police will respond.
	And he's doing it because this is the easiest way where he doesn't have to use the Insurrection Act.
	And he could see how the public reacts, how the police work together, if it's effective, and if it reduces crime.
	I believe he's doing this in preparation to see if he can do it in the States.
	In other words, because Washington, D.C. is the one place where he can, without any kind of legal objection, call out the National Guard, even if the local D.C. government doesn't want it.
	Correct.
	Whereas in the States, ordinarily, you have to have the governor call it out.
	Now, of course, he tried that in Los Angeles over the objections of Gavin Newsom.
	But so you think he's sort of testing the water, seeing how this will work.
	Right.
	So he knows Gavin Newsom, Pritzker, Tim Wallace.
	He knows they would rather have egg on their face for the rest of their lives, but watch their cities burn as they played the fiddle than deign to ask President Trump for help.
	He knows this.
	When Governor Newsom's state was burning from top to bottom and he said, decline the help, he knew what was going to happen.
	So what he's doing here is he knows the loophole he has is the Insurrection Act of 1807.
	You know, that was, I believe, George Washington's, no, 1807, no matter.
	It was very early in the history of our country.
	That was the loophole where the president would be allowed to federalize troops, you know, both guard and the regulars.
	He'd be able to send them on the streets without the request of the governor, which is, you know, it's a scary time.
	Nobody wants to see this.
	I mean, obviously, in 1807, our founding fathers said, hey, this is something we should probably have in place because this is what the British tried to do to us.
	So maybe we should prevent it with our own new government.
	But like you said, and like we've said, is he's doing it in D.C. because he doesn't need to worry about that.
	And if it has some success, he makes a bunch of arrests and the crime goes down, which it will not.
	This is saber-rattling.
	It's a parody.
	It's a sideshow for the ill-informed.
	But he just wants to see, he's flexing his muscle.
	It's saber-rattling.
	But whatever he does.
	In other words, you think that this swarm of FBI, DEI ICE, Border Patrol, Park Police, U.S. Customs, it's just going to be a show for a while and it'll have no real effect on the crime rates in Washington, D.C. This is this is just kind of a Potemkin village of crime control.
	Is that your view?
	Yes.
	I mean, if you look at it, if you look at any of the videos, you'll see one handcuffed suspect on the ground and then 15 or so federal agents from as many different federal agencies walking around in full tactical kit, just running in circles, looking around.
	And I suppose they're waiting for the local police officer to come and tell them how to take the misdemeanor driving with the suspended license arrest.
	That's what's happening.
	The only agency that can really hit the ground running and start to take bodies is the U.S. Marshal.
	Well, before we get into the various different agencies, it certainly does look that way in the videos that I've seen.
	You've got all these tough-looking guys, and there are lots and lots of them out there.
	And they've got one or two fellows that they're wrestling to the ground.
	What I've seen that is particularly intriguing, though, is all of the white people out calling them fascists and telling them to get off the streets, all of these idiot people who think that it's wonderful to have criminals.
	I just saw a video a few minutes ago of a young white woman who is passing out, who's passing out whistles to the bums and the derelicts.
	And she's saying, I'm giving these to these people so that they won't be kidnapped.
	And if all of these people come by and try to kidnap our wonderful bums, then you must come to the rescue.
	What in heaven's name?
	This is just, I mean, the citizens of Washington, D.C. are supposed to swarm all over these people who are clearing out the bums, the derelicts, and physically prevent them from doing this after they hear a whistle from some drunk or a whino.
	This is the kind of thing that only white people would ever think of doing and actually do.
	It is absurd.
	And you know, those whistles are rape whistles, right?
	They're handed out to women if they're being set upon in the parking lot.
	But those are leftovers, I suppose.
	But I don't know if you're familiar with the DOJ employee, Department of Justice employee that was out on the streets calling them fascists.
	He was drunk on one too many white claws and threw a 12-inch sandwich at a customs officer.
	Yes, yes, he got himself arrested.
	I covered that pretty extensively on my show, and I said the same thing you just did here on the show in the street and exercise your First Amendment right is because the police are out here protecting you.
	Well, and apparently, you know, I saw that video myself, and he repeatedly gets right in the face of these people and uses the foulest languages and accuses them of being fascist, yelling at the top of his voice.
	And they're just standing there impassively.
	And it's finally what apparently had a submarine sandwich in his hand, and he threw it as hard as he could into the chest of one of these federal guys.
	So he takes off and they take off and they finally, I didn't, the video does not show him actually being collar and digged to the ground, but he's just in shorts and a shirt and these guys are all running in their tactical gear.
	But apparently they caught up with him after all.
	But the way this guy behaved is he does not sound drunk.
	And when he takes off running, he doesn't look like he's stumbling drunk, but I would assume he was in some altered state.
	This guy apparently is a lawyer for the Department of Justice.
	He can't be a complete lame-brain, but he shows acting like one.
	Well, the reason they said we did that, I covered that video on my show.
	And he's jumping around and getting in their faces and hand gestures.
	And a normal police officer goes, yeah, you don't get to do that.
	He gets taken to the ground.
	But the customs officers are like, we're just told to stand here.
	I don't really, they don't do that every day.
	So they're confused by it.
	They're not used to that type of behavior.
	So that's why they allow themselves, they don't read the warning signs.
	They don't know the rules of engagement, right?
	Like a police officer would.
	But wait, Officer John, my understanding is you can get into the face of an officer and yell all you like, but he cannot take you to the ground.
	Is that not the case?
	That is normally the case, yes.
	But I watched his body language, how he's hopping around and aggressively sticking his finger almost like he's getting ready to throw a punch.
	You don't have to sit there and let them almost punch you, especially when this heightened sense that we're in.
	It's just absurd that he thinks he could get away with it.
	I mean, I had a difficult time watching it saying, I cannot believe they're letting that happen.
	And that's proof of two, well, not proof, but it's indicative of two things.
	A, they've got these do not, you know, avoid using force at all costs.
	And they, and the fact that they're federal agents, they don't, they don't, they don't deal with that every day.
	That's what cops and that guy was definitely drunk.
	That's the bar district I've worked at.
	I recognize that behavior from ML.
	It's the liquid bravado.
	And I joke that he woke up the next day and said, did I just throw a sandwich at a customs officer and get arrested and fired from a federal job?
	Or did I dream that?
	Well, as I say, when he took off spreading, he was moving pretty quickly.
	But, well, again, again, I find this very interesting.
	I think that, as I say, it was my impression that you can shout all you like and the police are not allowed to lay hands on you.
	Unless, I suppose, in their view, all of this shouting and this gesticulation is going to lead up to some kind of actual assault.
	Yes, that's exactly the point.
	I mean, yes, you can.
	You can sit there and scream at us to a point.
	But once they start, if you look at the video, gesticulations is the perfect description.
	Him jumping around like that.
	You can articulate that an attack is imminent.
	Well, what I found especially interesting was the commentary by the black people who were making the video.
	They are laughing at this guy.
	They're saying, no, no, no, you don't have to be Superman.
	You don't have to be Superman.
	No, no, they know.
	But they think it is hilarious.
	This hopped up white guy acting like just the worst ghetto street black.
	They think it's the funniest thing they've ever seen in their lives.
	Well, he's infinitely more dangerous to our country and to the state of law enforcement than any black person could ever be.
	Well, you're right.
	He works for the DOJ.
	Right.
	I mean, if you're the one that is stoking these fires, the police are the problem and they can do no wrong.
	The black suspects can do no wrong.
	And the other reason we can't do our jobs, it's you.
	I mean, white liberals searching for ethnomasochistic social piety, it's nothing more.
	Tell me this.
	Surely the fact that there are all of these extra officers on the street, that is going to mean that a lot of people who would be committing crime, street crimes, are going to stay home, presumably.
	And also, to the extent that it is actually happening with more eyes and more feet, more arms, you're going to get more arrests.
	So I'm assuming that this will have the effect of probably increasing the number of arrests.
	Tell me, though, could all of this be avoided if the Washington, D.C. police force were enforcing the law in a really consistent and formal and powerful way?
	Do you think they have the manpower to really control the situation?
	Or is this just the kind of lax behavior that we see in so many police departments?
	Oh, no, no, we can't be mean to our Dutch brothers.
	What's your assessment of what could be done just with the police?
	Well, as you remember, I predicted a mass exodus of officers after George Floyd.
	Yes.
	And it's happening.
	Let's talk about the Metropolitan Police Department staffing levels, okay?
	Yes.
	They're budgeted for 4,000 uniformed police officers, which is a lot.
	And that includes the ones that are on the street, the detectives, the specialized units, the internal affairs, everything.
	The last three years, they have lost 450 officers.
	So they are now at about 3,200 to 3,300.
	Their chief at the time, Robert J. Conte, III, who has taken a different job for interesting circumstances, has anticipated the force to fall to about 3,130 by the end of 2024.
	So he was close.
	They were about 32.
	So they're struggling to hire and retain.
	I don't know if that comes as a surprise to you, but some of the factors are fatigue over crime and civil unrest.
	That's a real thing.
	That is one of the reasons that I could not take it anymore.
	Heightened scrutiny.
	Yes.
	Understatement of the year.
	Yes.
	Low pay and lack of interest in government service.
	So it's a mass exodus.
	They're guessing that, I mean, they're going to be, what, 800 short?
	How long do you think that'll take to hire that many?
	Just as a guess.
	Wow.
	Oh, wow.
	At least 10 years.
	Wow.
	10 years, really, to hire proper people, train them, and get them on the force.
	It could take 10 years to make up a deficit of that figure.
	Right.
	Let me give you just a real quick side.
	The New York PD, they're down by 7,000 officers, unsurvivable.
	Okay.
	And they just hired a 1,000-person academy.
	Okay.
	Let's pretend all 1,000 of those are perfect angels.
	They're just complete aces.
	Every single one of them passes.
	No problems.
	No injuries.
	Let's just pretend.
	The academy has at least six months.
	It should be eight.
	It's going to get shortened.
	The training program is at least 12 weeks.
	So let's just say nine months.
	Everything is just top-notch.
	Everyone hits the streets at the same time.
	Perfect.
	The time 1,000 police officers hit the street in New York with the current retirement, early retirement, just quitting the profession rates in New York that are just completely standard across the board every month, they will be 800 more officers short when they put that new 1,000 in.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Cannot be done.
	In other words, by the time the 1,000 are there, another 1,800 will retire.
	So even within nine months, 180 to 200 a month are leaving New York PD.
	Wow.
	Well, you're describing a situation in which New York is basically going to have no police force at all.
	Which is why I think Mr. Trump will start there.
	That's where he's going to start.
	I see.
	I see.
	He has an adversarial mayor, an adversarial governor, and he has a mayoral election that if that, I can't remember his name, the Muslim.
	Is that his name?
	Right, yes.
	If the New York Federal Fraternal Order of Police has said, if you elect that man, we will leave 10 times worse than we are leaving now.
	When I managed my division, I was five officers short.
	It was injuries, suspensions.
	It fluctuates from five to ten.
	I cannot explain to you the unsustainability, both fiscally and manpower-wise, that that tiny little, I mean, you know, I was 300, you know, seven gone.
	New York PD is supposed to have, I think, 36,000.
	I mean, that's pretty close.
	They're 7,000 short?
	7,000.
	No, let's just take that number.
	Okay.
	That's astronomical.
	Do you honestly think that thousands and thousands and thousands of people are going to line up around the block to take the written tests for the New York Police Department?
	I mean, do you think young men and women like me are going to come?
	I'm from South Dakota.
	I'm going to run over there to NYPD.
	It looks like a hoot.
	No.
	They're never going to recover.
	Just to back up a bit, if you had a force of 300 men and it was seven short, you could feel that in the day-to-day activities of your officers.
	Is that correct?
	I managed a $26 million budget.
	I was in the black on every one of my budget lines.
	And a lot of people, I don't want to get too deep in this rabble.
	A lot of people don't know.
	You know, I have a budget for cars, from ammo, things like that.
	I can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul.
	Okay.
	The city council said, I mean, a lot of black chiefs and their organizations seem to misunderstand the allocation of money using their slush phones, but anyway, the one aspect of my budget that I could never, ever balance, and it was, it mortified me, was when you have that many people gone, you're not going to be able to.
	I think you cut out.
	I couldn't hear your audio for a moment.
	Headphones.
	Dang it.
	Hang on.
	Yes.
	Sorry, are you still there?
	Yes.
	So the one thing that you could not fiddle with was your personnel budget.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Right.
	And you can't, your overtime budget.
	You can't borrow from ammunition to your personnel budget.
	You just can't do it.
	And so to backfill, you know, you got people calling in sick.
	You have people getting hurt.
	You have women getting pregnant.
	You have National Guard leave.
	It just fluctuates.
	And the only way that you can fix that is through overtime, right?
	So you have to bring people in that, you know, they're working 16-hour shifts and you force them, you know, you force them to work an extra six or eight, which is completely irresponsible.
	And you cannot afford to pay for that.
	It just drains your account instantly.
	I believe New York PD, I think it was 2023 or so, they were allocated for, I think, $550 million in overtime and they spent $2.2 billion.
	And then they somehow found an extra $155 million to put extra cops into the subway.
	All those cops are on overtime.
	They've already worked their shift and they're going to go stand in the subway for six hours.
	You want to talk about literal and mental fatigue?
	Yeah.
	And you can't.
	And that's what causes, you know, causes suicides, divorces, alcoholism, and then people just fleeing the profession for their very lives.
	Wow.
	You just, you can't do it.
	And then to think of 7,000, and now all of a sudden, you know, Brandon, or not Brandon Johnson, but Adams thinks that he's going to, it's all a dog and pony show, a parlor trick for the ill-informed, while the coffers are being absolutely, unsustainably drained almost instantly out of the chute per fiscal year, per quarter, right?
	You just can't do it.
	Well, I mean, what, what realistically, what do you predict in New York City?
	I mean, at this point, what you're describing is a kind of escape from New York scenario, which there is practically no law enforcement at all.
	Does that mean people are going to start arming themselves illegally?
	They're going to be vigilante groups.
	Manhattan or New York City, it's a big place.
	A lot of people that can't afford to just suddenly disappear because the crime gets so bad.
	What would you realistically could predict is going to happen in a situation like that?
	So when I gave my talk in 2022 and I talked about this Exodus, even I didn't know it was going to be this bad.
	So what I thought I spoke was the military will have to come in, whether they're invited or not, and just man the streets.
	I mean, it's going to have to be martial law with curfew, which is a temporary measure, but that's really only the way you're going to get a handle on it.
	And I don't know if you've been paying attention to our Dusky brothers, their willingness to abide by, oh, I don't know, just the general laws of a decent society, let alone the don't carjack elderly women and don't commit 33,000 rapes per year.
	But if you send the National Guard in, the only thing they know how to do is stand on the corner in pairs of twos with a slung M4 rifle and try to look scary.
	And that, I don't know if you've noticed about this either, but our Dusky brothers are not, that doesn't frighten them.
	If they're jumping on marked police cars, I mean, military personnel, that's not going to frighten them.
	And at some point, some brave young black man in New York is going to say, I'm going to see what will happen if I lose a 30-round magazine in their general direction.
	And that will reveal what their rules of engagement are.
	If a young thug does that and sees a bunch of military personnel running for their lives instead of returning fire, it's a free-for-all.
	Okay.
	And then the shot heard around the world, right?
	Happened 24 years ago in July or 250 years ago in July.
	If a U.S. military member personnel who was probably under strict orders to not engage under any circumstances fires into a crowd of American citizens, the public uproar will reach nuclear, I mean, across the country.
	I can't believe he's, you know, what are they going to say?
	He's a dictator.
	He sent in the military.
	I mean, so it's just, there is no, is no happy ending for it.
	The National Guard can do nothing.
	And this whole putting FBI agents out in D.C. on patrol is as absurd as it gets.
	Well, yes, let's get back to these federal agents who are in Washington, D.C. All of them, they must be being paid on overtime, too.
	This must be a very expensive business to send in Border Patrol people, park police, U.S. customs, DEA, FBI.
	I mean, they've got day jobs, for heaven's sake.
	Aren't they all on overtime for this?
	My favorite quote.
	My favorite quote of the press conference with the D.C. chief was, what about these FBI agents who have office jobs and you're going to put them out on the streets at night?
	I chortled about that.
	And yes, they will have to pay them overtime.
	And the federal overtime system is very, very different than a city or county law enforcement agency.
	I don't know how they'll pay for that, but the one thing I do know about that is it's your tax dollars.
	Okay.
	Right, of course.
	And so the FBI doesn't patrol.
	Like the mini television shows that you see with the FBI running around with their unbuttoned windbreakers, running towards danger with their pistol in their hands.
	That is the most absurd depiction of the FBI that one could ever possibly watch.
	And I have a saying whenever one of those commercials comes on, I said, anybody that watches FBI shows is an income poop.
	That is the most absurdly inflated, false narrative about the FBI and what they do that I've ever seen.
	I have worked extensively with almost every single alphabet agency, and they don't go around running and gunning.
	They use guys like me, the local police department, to go in, do the danger, and we use them for federal overtime money, federal buy funds, federal equipment, and then any seizures we get, we have access to their jurisdiction, their federal jurisdiction, right?
	For vertical processing.
	I don't understand what you first said about using their money or their vehicle.
	So how does that work?
	So as a narcotics detective, you know, we have buy funds.
	We have probably a million dollars in our buy funds.
	And that's when I'm going to as I'm an undercover, I'm going to go buy a pound of dope off of you.
	And we're going to let that money go.
	It's called walking the money.
	And that money's gone because we don't want to burn the case.
	And so at a certain point, you say, we don't want to spend that much money.
	These guys are going across state lines.
	We have a RICO lined up here.
	It might be time to go up on a Title III wiretap.
	We need to bring the feds in, wink, wink, and pretend we're partners because they have this unlimited budget.
	We want their purse strings and the access to their better sentencing in their courts.
	So we bring them in and they get to run around with real cops, you know, with helmets on, big chewing tobacco, and, you know, buffed out.
	And they've been sitting behind a desk working on white collar crime their entire career.
	You know, they're referred to.
	The FBI is referred to by cops as famous but incompetent.
	And they're accountants with guns.
	You know, it is a known fact that the most desired account for an degree for an FBI agent to have is an accounting degree.
	That's a fact.
	Oh, that's the most useful degree in the agency.
	Analytical, yeah.
	But as far as them suiting up and hitting the streets, they might like getting dressed up like their favorite TV show, but putting them out on the streets in Washington, D.C., can I kind of lay that out for you to demonstrate how absurd it is?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Let's say you have Stevie and his pal Laura, who've been working in the bullpen on insurance fraud for low these 15 years.
	And all of a sudden their special agent in charge comes in and says, hey, you two, put your tactical kit on.
	I want you to go drive around the streets of Washington, D.C. and take some enforcement action.
	And they're going to go, what?
	They're going to put their little pistols on and they're going to say, okay, they have no idea how to use the radio in a tactical or a daily function.
	They're going to say, okay, FBI units one and two, we're out on a group of blacks that seem to be fighting with guns in the streets.
	They don't know what to do.
	They haven't been dealing with this every single day.
	And let's just say somehow they were the greatest FBI agents ever.
	They were able to quell the fracas in the streets and they were able to detain without any use of force these two black felons that weren't allowed to have handguns and they've arrested them.
	Okay.
	That's a it's on federal jurisdiction.
	They're federal agents.
	That's a federal crime.
	Should be easy peasy, right?
	So as a regular police officer, you'd go, okay, this is the crime.
	This is the charge.
	I'm going to write my paperwork.
	Off to jail.
	He goes, send it.
	These FBI agents have no idea.
	They sit here and they're building large cases.
	But when it comes time for the rubber to hit the road, for the boots to hit the ground, to suit up and strap on to the side of the bear cat and go knock doors down, they could not be any farther from that location waiting for guys like me to make it safe.
	And then they come in and they do their little thing.
	Oh, this money's ours.
	And they're good at that once it's a static environment.
	And then they'll say, you know, we did all the work.
	We did all the preliminary investigation.
	And the FBI will come in and said, yes, we made this case.
	And at the very last line, oh, and the D.C. police might have helped a little bit too, which is fine.
	And then we get all their seizure money.
	That's the one good thing about them is any seizure money or cars or anything.
	They don't keep it.
	It goes straight to the locals.
	But just the absurd part is when I imagine two FBI agents having met dozens of them and worked hand in hand with dozens of them, them driving around in the car saying, oh, look, look at these two dusky brethren here at 3 a.m. drinking 40s.
	One of them looks like he has a gun.
	Let's roll up on him.
	That's what I did for a living.
	They're going to go, pretend you didn't see that.
	Let's just drive really fast by there and we have plausible deniability.
	It's absurd.
	And I said, the only ones that will actually ever do anything and what Trump, I guarantee you Trump will use to inflate his numbers is the U.S. Marshal.
	And I can tell you why.
	Do tell me.
	Do tell me.
	Why are they effective and nobody else is?
	The U.S. Marshal is a wonderful, wonderful job.
	I had several officers on a task force with them, and they are all about fugitive prevention.
	Okay.
	Wyatt Earp style.
	You mean apprehension?
	Yeah, apprehension.
	I'm not sure what I said.
	So, what they do is they go, all right, guys, I'm going to bring all my tough guys, all my task force guys, my best guys in here, hundreds of them.
	And I am going to say, all right, let's run every, let's find every single violent felony warrant in this district right now.
	And they'll, this is what I did in California.
	It was the same concept.
	And we'd say, okay, this is the worst all the way through the least worst, 50 of them.
	And you loose 150 U.S. Marshal agents out into the streets to find warrant suspects.
	They're going to be kicking doors.
	Okay.
	They have an interesting, whenever I was working with them, they have an interesting interpretation of fresh pursuit and reasonable suspicion and when they can kick doors down.
	They have an interesting interpretation.
	But if you look at the U.S. Marshal guys, those guys look real because they spend their entire day finding the worst of the worst, hunting them down and getting them.
	Like the guy I had assigned to the U.S. Marshal, he was unbelievable.
	I would actually have a joke with him.
	I'd say, hey, how come you're letting this guy roam free on my streets?
	And an hour later, he'd have the guy for me.
	There would be a crashed car and a pursuit and maybe gunplay, but he would get him.
	So what Trump says is he goes, send the marshals out because they can stack arrests.
	I think there was an article last night that they made up like 150 arrests.
	It might have been in DC or another or one of the other cities that's trying this.
	But that's very easy because all they have to do is say, are you Lucretius Jackson?
	Yes.
	You're under arrest for a felony warrant.
	Jank, there's a number, right?
	And all you're looking for is someone with a confirmed arrest.
	And it's just pure saturation, knocking doors.
	It's very reminiscent of, you know, the British and how we came to write that Fourth Amendment into our Bill of Rights.
	But they're just going to sweep through and they don't need any probable cause.
	They need to say, is that the guy?
	Yes.
	We have a warrant gone.
	And they can sit there for days and days.
	And I mean, 10 a night, 12 a night.
	And every time they get one, they're going to get a gun or dope or money.
	And so what Trump will do is he'll be able to pose behind, it's called a trophy photo.
	This is coming, trust me.
	He'll stand behind a table with all these guns and ammo and money that he's got lined up and pictures of the defendants in the back.
	That's going to be the, you know, the trophy photo, the look at me, everything.
	But it was, that's one agency doing it.
	Because I'll tell you right now, the local police officers, when all these feds come in and they say, all right, what do you need?
	The local cops are going to go, I don't know, you tell us.
	You know, you've been snooty and treating us like scum for ever since the dawn of man, since this relationship was developed.
	You go do it.
	Okay.
	I can promise you there will be, you know, some half-hearted, all right, here's where it's going to go.
	I'll just wait back here.
	You guys see what you can find.
	The local officers are under their breath going, let me know how that goes, buddy.
	Because cops can see a federal agent that has no idea what he's doing.
	So when these guys get loosed out there, I guarantee the cops are sitting under the tree playing Candy Crusher on their phone and they're waiting for the panicked cries of an FBI agent over the radio, which is a completely different problem that we talked about in the Butler situation, the assassination attempt.
	None of these people have the same radios as the locals.
	You're not going to reprogram them.
	The only, you know, you're going to mess up the commands posts again.
	And you're not, the communication is going to be so bad.
	It's a free-for-all.
	It's a total mess.
	And that's one of the things that Trump's going to figure out.
	Because you can't just program a Fed channel into a local radio.
	That costs money.
	They don't want you listening to them because the FBI looks at cops sometimes, makes sense.
	And so you would have to pay to program federal agents into a local radio and then have it unprogrammed.
	That is not going to happen.
	The only way it'll work is to issue federal radios or vice versa, issue local radios to feds, and you'll have one team commander with two radios who's going to have to figure out how to communicate with who, right?
	Does that make sense?
	It's just like Butler.
	Yeah.
	You know, the Secret Service said there's all this is going wrong.
	Who should we tell?
	And this whole wriggle moreau was going on with the feds.
	Well, the locals had no idea that was going on because they couldn't hear.
	And that's what we predicted when you and I talked.
	I said, this is going to be a communication deal where they're not in the same room on a command post.
	And we were absolutely right.
	That's exactly what caused it.
	The radios.
	Well, then I assume that would be the same for every federal agency, ATF, DEA, Homeland Security, all of those guys.
	They are operating with different radios from the local police officer.
	So as a local cop, you can go, okay, let me see what the city to the west of me is doing.
	Let me see what the city to the right of me is doing.
	Let me see what the county is doing.
	And some guys would scan that.
	I couldn't take it.
	So you know what's going on around you.
	One thing you cannot do is say, let me see what the FBI is up to today.
	No.
	Let me see what the DEA is up to today.
	No.
	I've been on dozens, dozens of operations, high-risk operations with these guys.
	And the only way to do it is to share radios, which is a complete mess.
	And that's another thing he's going to find out in his report.
	The communication is the problem.
	And there's no way Hoity-Toity, nose-in-the-air federal agents are going to be okay with giving their channels, including their tactical encrypted channels, to local cops.
	That is simply not going to happen.
	So the two carrying two radios is just a complete logistical nightmare.
	Now, imagine when he hits New York City with the same problem.
	It's dangerous.
	Yes.
	Well, now tell me, did you ever work with ICE when you were an officer?
	Well, when I was in Southern California, ICE hadn't been formed yet.
	So I can, let me just give you a little how it used to be.
	It would have been a different name, but we still had that function.
	Right.
	We were, yeah, it was, it was basically Border Patrol that I worked with, and then customs was separate.
	So this is a true story.
	You know, I was this 23-year-old guy, and I'd be driving along, and here would be 20 to 30 Hispanics, male, female, children, all carrying garbage bags with the same luggage over their bag.
	They carry a garbage bag because it's waterproof.
	They don't have any suitcases.
	Yeah, and the bag is waterproof.
	And they all have nothing but jeans, like 10 pairs of jeans in the back.
	Fascinating because they're going to go to work.
	And I would have to say that we were obviously, it's just like it is today.
	Police officers don't get involved in immigration enforcement because we can't.
	We don't have jurisdiction.
	So we would get on the radio and I'd say, dispatch, this is 121, John.
	Can you let Border Patrol know they have about 35 walking eastbound on Main Street?
	So these would be people who you assumed they had just come across a river?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I mean, it's, I am loath to use the term wet back, but that is it comes from they would come over and they're still soaking wet waist down.
	They're literally still wet from just coming over.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Wet legs.
	Wet legs.
	There you go.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you'd call them up.
	You'd call a U.S. Border Patrol.
	Yeah, I would have dispatched to it.
	Say, let them know they got 30.
	And they would, and then I'd be back 30 minutes later, and they've just seemingly walked two miles east.
	They get picked up, dropped off, picked up, taken to LA is usually what it is.
	There's a two-step wash off.
	So they're all going to get into a van.
	It's all human trafficking.
	They're all being charged like $3,500 a head just to get LA is the hub, right?
	Some of them might stay in San Diego County, but they just come over en masse and hop into the van, $3,500 ahead, and off they go.
	I don't know where they're going to live or where they're going to work, but that's a real thing.
	Right, right.
	But now, these days, now you see these videos of ICE guys.
	I mean, they look like they're a SWAT team.
	And they show up with their helmets and their tough guy outfits, and they're arresting these illegal immigrants.
	Now, from the videos that you see, it looks as though they would be pretty good at making arrests.
	So, what is your sense of that?
	I know several ICE agents, the fugitive apprehension ones, or the ones that go out and do the dirt, the ones that are in the kit that look scary.
	Those guys are for real.
	I know several of them.
	One of them was one of the guys that would sit on the plane when they were flying, you know, African refugees back, criminal African refugees back to Africa.
	And his job was to keep them under the control on the plane, which is a wonderful bank of stories.
	But there's also the guys when you're coming home from whatever Mexico for Canada, whatever.
	Those are also ICE agents, ICB, or what is it?
	Customs Border Patrol.
	I'm sorry, CPB.
	Yeah.
	The ones that say, How was your trip?
	What'd you bring back?
	That's the same agency, but you're very astute in noticing there's a seemingly different crew of ICE agents.
	Those guys are operators.
	They know what they're doing.
	And they kind of do the same thing.
	I mean, their rules of engagement are, you know, the police, it's completely forbidden for us to even ask someone's immigration status.
	Your chief has told you, if you ask about immigration status, you're going to get terminated, basically.
	It's forbidden because that's their way of controlling us from working together.
	So what Trump's trying to do is take the reins off of that and let officers ask about immigration status and then call in ICE because now we're doing it.
	Well, wait, wait, wait.
	But whether you're allowed to ask about immigration status, doesn't that depend on the jurisdiction in all of these famous sanctuary jurisdictions you can't ask, but I would assume that somebody, some jurisdiction that wants to cooperate, you can ask anytime, can you?
	And there are several of those.
	And there's a story about several officers doing it secretly.
	And they're now all going to get fired or suspended, right?
	Say, hey, we got one here.
	Hopefully you just show up because they're obvious.
	I mean, you could spot an undocumented migrant or whatever we choose to call them instantly.
	They'll present you with a Mexican driver's license.
	It's not them.
	And then it's not their car.
	They stopped stealing the cars.
	That was when we were young bucks.
	It was just an auto theft arrest.
	You capture everybody, call Border Patrol.
	You end up with a car, which is great.
	But when you get into the states, the police will be forbidden by their respective mayor, chief, mayor to the chief, to the captain, to the officers, right?
	They will be forbidden to ask.
	So the only way for that to work was they'll have to team up an ICE agent with a patrol officer, right?
	And you see, you saw when Trump loosed a bunch of them in front of the DNC prior to the, or he was out in front of Newsom's little campaign run, and Kamla was at the DNC, and he put all his ICE agents out there, again, saber-rattling.
	And they scooped some people up.
	But that's the tricky part because the officers are dealing with their livelihood.
	They know that if they get caught telling ICE, hey, you got 30 over here, and then ICE magically shows up, they're going to get investigated and probably terminated.
	So when you have officers who are protecting their livelihood by obeying the orders of the chief, you will not participate in immigration enforcement, which I have to tend to agree because people think that it's like, okay, you saw these 30, as a patrol officer, you saw these 30 people with wet legs.
	You detained them, which you're detaining someone for a federal crime, a local officer detaining people for what could only be a federal crime, right?
	So out of the shoot, we're wrong.
	And now you're going to have to call Border Patrol, which is 40 minutes out, right?
	They'll come with a van.
	They'll scoop them all up and off they go.
	And I don't know what happens after that.
	I don't know the process.
	But the end of the day, it's going to be found out the USS patrol officer sent 31 wet-legged people into a van and off they went.
	You're going to get fired.
	So when I was working down there, we would see him.
	It was always first thing in the morning because they used dust to get across.
	And we would just put our blinders on.
	We're like, it's the end of the shift.
	There's nothing I can do.
	Even if I decided to do something, that's going to take three more hours for them to get here and process them.
	It's a complete nightmare.
	And so what he's trying to do is he's trying to cut loose ICE agents.
	You're talking about Donald Trump.
	He wants to be able to cut ICE agents loose to go do their own proactive stuff, absent the approval of the respective police chiefs.
	Yes, well, that's clearly, that's clearly what he's doing.
	As required, I believe.
	The Insurrection Act.
	Well, I don't think – has he invoked that?
	No.
	No, I guess that was the case in Los Angeles.
	In Los Angeles, didn't he invoke insurrection in order to bring in the National Guard?
	Yes.
	Or at least threatened, right?
	And I think Johnson asked for them.
	I'm sorry, Mayor, I forget that.
	I always get the Johnson and the New York Adams, Eric Adams.
	The subway got so bad, he asked for just some subway guys because he couldn't handle the 155 million.
	Guess how many arrests the National Guard made in the subways of New York City at the cost of $155 million?
	None.
	I don't know.
	None.
	None.
	Yes.
	Well, they don't have arrest powers, right?
	Correct.
	But presumably, presumably, as you say, until this showdown that you described, some guy, some young buck decides to unload a 30-round magazine into a bunch of National Guards and finds out that they don't shoot.
	But even before that happens, they realize that they're not going to shoot.
	But they probably do have some sort of intimidating effect on at least some of the criminals.
	Just the fact that they're there with an M16.
	It's like we talked about, you know, these street takeovers.
	They're standing.
	Well, they saw the guy, the white guy, throw a sandwich at the dude and he did nothing.
	So they watch this stuff.
	And they're very fond of these street takeovers, right?
	They jump on police cars.
	They do that in front of dozens of market police cars.
	So one of them is going to test out the federal agents.
	And my prediction is that from the darkened shadows, as things get heated up, as fires burn in the background, complete anonymity through the chaos is guaranteed, right?
	And I'm going to be the guy that cooks off the shot around the world.
	And he'll lose a 30-round mag.
	He might hit some officers or some military personnel.
	He might not.
	But he will see.
	There's no way that President Trump hasn't sent down the chain of command that you will not engage with gunfire under any circumstances because he hasn't taken this into consideration.
	That's going to happen.
	Well, surely.
	It's got to happen in D.C. Surely the guard can return fire.
	I mean, that comes directly from the president himself, yes?
	And I would have to assume that he would be very cognizant that the second, I mean, you're familiar with sympathetic fire.
	You have all these National Guard guys who have been MF'd and fascist into oblivion, who are at their wits' end, who are not used to dealing with that.
	They're going to be fired upon, and then their training is going to kick in, and it's going to be sympathetic fire.
	One guy will let a three-round burst, and then everybody will start blazing away.
	That's, I mean, that's conjecture, but that's possible.
	But the second that happens, the entire media, all of his detractors, they all have this, oh, he's a despot.
	Look at this.
	He's sending military out to shoot upon American citizens while conveniently leaving out the fact that they have been fired upon by some black prolee who's been arrested 18 times.
	That's going to happen.
	Well, that is an intriguing prospect, all right?
	Yes, it's easy to imagine, especially if, as you say, these big cities, it's going to be impossible for them to fill the gaps in their ranks of officers.
	And they're going to be absolutely desperate for some way to control the streets.
	Then all of the things you described can certainly happen.
	But one thing that has struck me about what you've been saying about these various agencies, I suppose what you say about FBI, that these guys, these are desk jockeys.
	And it would be the same for ATF, DEA, and of course, the Border Patrol guys or the ICE guys who sit there in a little booth and say, Welcome home after you come in with your passport.
	I'm always amazed they're sitting there with a sidearm.
	And you know, I look over the look over the rail, and there they are.
	They're sitting there with a pistol on their hips.
	I wonder what, why would they ever need that?
	I mean, is somebody going to start strangling them?
	Because you go over there and you're going to check your luggage.
	Why do they need to be armed?
	In case somebody's bringing illegal mangoes back from Guatemala and yes, it stopped the fruit from coming in.
	I guess, but then theoretically, those guys could be sent out on the street and be just as baffled as some desk jockey DE.
	Throwing him even more.
	Mr. Taylor, you were throwing them into the fire.
	We are not dipping our toe.
	You're saying, all right, here's one of the most violent, destructive, I mean, crime-ridden, unsafe cities in the country, which is sadly and ironically the capital of the United States.
	And I suppose that would be indicative of what's going on everywhere else.
	How about we just put your little tactical vest on that you never wear unless the cops have made something safe?
	It's just a costume.
	And we're going to just inject you in here, having no or at the very most minimal patrol training techniques, zero knowledge of municipal, state, or you know, misdemeanor felony laws, right?
	And there's what are you going to, I mean, you're just going to with no training, you're going to send them out there.
	This is the only training and advice you could give them as a commander.
	All right, guys, two-man cars.
	Try to just be an assist for the regular patrol officers.
	But if you're driving around and you see an obvious crime happening in front of you, which they will, try to just stop the violence and detain everybody and call the local police in.
	The local police, Mr. Taylor, I can assure you, the local police are snickering because the whole world has ignored and vilified law for law enforcement officers coast to coast.
	I said this many years ago.
	We're vilified to the point, and we, and I hate to admit it, we are a very vindictive, very grudge-holding, very scooty group.
	Okay.
	And if you, is there any, do you have any argument that of all the law enforcement agencies from the Attorney General Pam Bonnie all the way down to a jail guard?
	We've all been thrown into the same bucket.
	We're all white racists.
	It's all white or black profiling.
	I've never seen an exodus like this in my life.
	I mean, I predicted it.
	I had no idea it was going to be this bad.
	You will never, ever coax the right applicants in, which means you will never have a fully staffed police force.
	And I tell our listeners, pick a chocolate city, pick Chicago, pick Austin, pick any city, and then pick a city, I don't know, like, you know, Bismarck, North Dakota, or is that North to South?
	Just pick, you know, somewhere where you wouldn't expect it, and type in police staffing issues in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and then Google police staffing issues, New York police staffing issues.
	And AI is it, they'll figure out how to let AI lie.
	They're getting there.
	But right now, it's having a really hard time not telling the truth.
	Every single police department in America, with maybe one or two exceptions, is completely understaffed.
	I had a joke as a captain.
	I said, I've been doing this 30 years.
	I have never once heard a captain say, all right, I'm fully staffed.
	What do you need?
	It will not happen.
	And I had five.
	Even in a place like say Curtalaine, you'll struggle.
	I mean, the nicer it is, obviously, you're going to have people showing up because A, the public supports them.
	B, the district attorney supports them.
	C, they have judges that are going to send these people to prison.
	And D, they're not being worn out and, you know, spit in their face, fascist.
	They're not burnt out from the job.
	So what you're going to see, and I'm living proof of it, what you're going to see is, you know, these officers that have all this training from whatever, Seattle, Texas, Texas is a huge one.
	New York is a huge one that we're seeing in this region.
	They're all going to bring all this massive experience and they're going to flood into these agencies as laterals.
	So little podunk towns, it's Courtland, they're going to have their pick of the litter, right?
	Well, so that's why, that's why I'm surprised to say that they can't fill their slots either.
	Yeah, and it's just, I would think they'd be afraid of the current fact for you.
	If there are 100 police jobs and 100 firefighter jobs, you'll have 80 people line up to take the police written test and 10,000 to take the fire department job.
	It's always been that way.
	But now the job has been so vilified.
	They're seeing hides being hung on the fence day in and day out, right?
	You remember those five Memphis officers that beat that black motors to death with their bare hands?
	That story went away, didn't it?
	Have we heard anything there?
	I mean, they had reduced charges.
	I mean, that was worse than Rodney King.
	Why?
	He died.
	Well, he died right there.
	Exactly.
	Rodney King lived.
	And this guy was beaten to death on camera.
	And as you can expect, they left their cameras on and were getting their stories straight.
	That was a com and you're very well aware that I investigated uses of force, body cams.
	I'm an expert.
	That one is completely, completely indefensible.
	And that story just went poof gone.
	Well, weren't they tried?
	Didn't they go on trial?
	They were all these black, every one of them.
	Right, black, all black on black.
	Yes.
	And they had some kind of system whereby they had, because for all the reasons you've mentioned, they had lowered all the requirements for officers.
	You could have violent convictions, as I recall, and still be an officer.
	This is in Memphis.
	And so these people were just losers for the first order.
	But didn't some of them get, you know, it is quite interesting.
	I believe they went on trial, but I could not tell you what happened.
	I believe they were given minimized sentences like aggravated assault and things.
	I mean, they were fired, obviously.
	I think some may have done some jail time.
	The story fizzled out so quickly, it's difficult to get any hooks into any of it.
	And that's one of my sayings: is there's nothing more dangerous than a little bit of power.
	Well, that being said, there's nothing more infinitely more dangerous than a lot of power.
	So you take these black officers who got through.
	I mean, let's be honest.
	Do you think there was a written test or do you think that was eliminated?
	You think there was a promotional exam?
	Do you think there was a promotional interview?
	They earned these jobs because they were the best.
	They demonstrated that they knew how to write good paper.
	They were good in the courtroom.
	They knew how to write search warrants.
	They understood case law.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	No, no.
	They put out their pipe hitters because it looked pretty.
	They called them the scorpion unit, which that shows you that you're being run by an ineffective police chief who's clueless.
	You don't give your name a scary name.
	You just don't.
	We did back in the early days when I was working architecture.
	That got taken away.
	You call them the street safety unit or whatever.
	You don't call them the, I mean, come on.
	The neighborhood relations unit.
	And you know what they became?
	They became a gang.
	Yeah.
	Because they had a turf, a brotherhood, and they created a patch.
	And I'm sure they had their little internal rules where somebody was vetted.
	I'm going to take this $10 from the suspect.
	You better keep your mouth shut.
	And that sounds like hyperbole.
	That sounds like Hollywood.
	I promise you, that's what's going on.
	And now you send these ill-qualified criminals with criminal backgrounds.
	I mean, I would pay hundreds of dollars to look at their reports without using AI.
	Who knows if they use that now?
	There's no way any of these people or anybody they arrest are going to trial and it's adjudicated through a prison sentence.
	No, absolutely not.
	They're just a cleanup crew for the day.
	They found this kid who it was a slow failure to yield.
	He was trying to get home to his mama's house, which is very common.
	And when he finally stopped, they got every cop gets angry when you don't stop, but they were unable to control their impulse control.
	And if you've watched that uncensored video, that is infinitely more revolting than Rodney King.
	And then leaving their cameras on and joking about it.
	I mean, no national covers for maybe a second.
	Yeah, that's what's going on.
	Well, yes, it got a second of national coverage.
	Well, you know, the other thing that struck me about that was that I remember I don't know how many black commentators saying that the problem we have here is black officers adopting white supremacist attitudes.
	And it was, what in heaven's name?
	Yes, they go into the Memphis Police Force, which is probably just very, very heavy with blacks.
	And somebody, and some of them teaches them how to be white supremacists.
	What kind of nonsense?
	These are serious commentators.
	Even serious TV stops spotting this kind of nonsense.
	The answer is they went in, they brought these crews in the Scorpion unit, and they went out and they said, oh my gosh, our black citizenry, they are committing a vast majority of our gun crime and murders and robberies.
	It turns out that they are going to be the ones that we're dealing with in and out, day in and day out.
	So what is the most effective, you know, fierce, fear-inducing, striking comment you could say about a police department that will make you stop thinking about black crime?
	White supremacy.
	Even in a completely out-of-context, absurd use, if you say white supremacy, the average person, based on how we have been, for lack of a better term, programmed, we're going to say, oh, crap, white supremacy.
	And then you're supposed to somehow go into defensive mode and forget the facts.
	That's all it is.
	It's a red herring.
	I don't know.
	I don't know, Officer John.
	I think even the average American is going to think twice.
	When you tell him, when you tell him that these black, underqualified, thuggish policemen kill this black guy because of white supremacy.
	I think even the most blinkered liberal is going to say, well, hold on, hold on.
	That may not be the problem.
	Not quite as simple as that.
	But that's the story.
	That's the story.
	And there is the rub.
	The white people will notice that.
	Anyone with common sense notices that.
	The question is, will they say it out loud or will they hang on to their social piety, their identity protective cognition that they do not want to admit that for the last five years their belief system is completely overturned and disproven?
	Instead of saying it out loud that they realize it, they'll just double down and throw sandwiches at customs officers.
	That's all it is.
	They don't want to admit that they've been wrong.
	Well, or they're just going to move to Idaho and still not.
	But that's a pretty grim picture you have for the future of big city policing in the United States.
	Certainly, if there are any large black populations there.
	Well, we will have to keep an eye on what happens in Washington, D.C. I believe, doesn't he have only 30 days of more or less unlimited power to keep this off?
	He has to have permission from conference.
	And Schumer.
	After 30 days, he has to get to the point.
	And Schumer said he absolutely will not.
	I mean, they're not going to approve it.
	So, yeah, 30 days.
	But that's all he needs.
	And so what he needs at the end of the day is for Pam Bonnie to say, all right, Mr. President, in the 30 days, this is how much money we spend on overtime.
	These are the, this is what I would expect as a captain, right?
	These are all the agencies that came out.
	This is the amount of overtime we spent.
	These are the arrests we made, and these were the charges.
	And so he's going to see, okay, we had somebody on a stolen moped.
	Okay, we had a street takeover.
	That's reckless driving.
	We had a smoking in an prohibited area.
	It's just a broken Windows theory where he's anything moving that's any type of small law you enforce.
	But then what he's going to do, I will be 100% right about this, right?
	The U.S. Marshal will give Trump the opportunity to say, my federal agents got a wanted rapist off of the street, a three-time armed robber who was out, escaped on bond.
	The federal marshals will intentionally, this is by design, go out and get the absolute worst, 10 most wanted, if they beat those.
	What's the next 10?
	And they're just going to clean up from the top down the top, for lack of a better term, the cream of the crop of wanted black criminals in D.C. And they're going to scoop them up.
	And President Trump will be up there and say, look at this.
	This guy had a machine gun because they're going to find other guns.
	And he'll be able to say, look at these machine guns.
	We've got this rapist, this robber off there.
	And, you know, a reporter should say, did the FBI get anybody?
	What about the ATF?
	Right?
	So the Marshal will be his saving grace.
	And ICE.
	We deported this many criminals.
	ICE and the Marshal are the ones with the two least amount of work.
	If I was running a marshal crew, I could say, all right, guys, here's our top 100, find them.
	And then you cut all those hitters loose.
	And they're going to bring bodies back.
	And that's what he's going to use to gauge his quote-unquote success.
	Right?
	Well, that will be very interesting.
	What kind of report card he gets at the end of 30 days?
	And how it's going to be.
	So I can tell you all about it when he does.
	The way you're suggesting.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe we'll have to have you back on.
	Give him a report card.
	You'll give him a grade.
	But no, your perspective on this is certainly fascinating for those of us who have never worn a badge, never worn a uniform.
	And I very much appreciate your perspectives on this.
	And yeah, after the end of 30 days, maybe we'll have to talk over again and see if he accomplished anything and see if your predictions are fulfilled.
	But so far, they always are.
	You're kind of having a hard time being wrong, I think.
	That's a terrible problem.
	That's a terrible problem.
	I hope you get over that someday.
	Okay.
	Well, Officer John Patterson, ladies and gentlemen, the man who's done it all, seen it all, and who knows it all.
	Very much obliged for having you on.

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