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'30 by 30:' The Push for Women in the Secret Service

Part 2 of a no-holds-barred conversation with a cop who has seen it all. Thumbnail credit: © Michael Brochstein/ZUMA Press Wire

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	Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Radio Renaissance.
	I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and today is July 23rd, Anno Domini 2024.
	And this episode is part two of a two-part episode with Officer John Patterson.
	Those of you who were in attendance first time around realize I'm talking to a police officer who has done it all.
	He is a certified sniper.
	He's done SWAT.
	He's done drugs.
	He's done protection liaison of the Secret Service for dignitaries.
	You name it, he has absolutely done it all.
	And if you really want to hear his deep qualifications, you can go to part one.
	But I will leave it at that.
	This guy is the real thing.
	Now, Officer John, I did want to follow up a couple of items that we talked about with respect to the assassination attempt that you covered so brilliantly last time around.
	I've sent you some of the high praise I've received for having such a knowledgeable and level-headed guest on my program.
	You deserved it all.
	And I can't think of a greater honor.
	I was very pleased to see it.
	Thank you.
	Well, no, they were right to appreciate everything you had to say.
	Now, I want to talk a little bit more about the assassination attempt.
	Then we'll move into this whole question of 30 by 30.
	And that's not the dimension of the shed that you're building in your backyard, ladies and gentlemen.
	So, just a couple of points.
	One was, I failed to ask you about drones.
	In Butler, Pennsylvania, and we had talked about that a little bit ahead of time, but what was the situation there?
	Wouldn't it be the obvious thing to have drones flying around making sure that all the roofs were secure?
	Yes, one real quick piece of housekeeping.
	In looking at the comments from our last episode, somebody correctly corrected me about, we said Secret Service protects all congresspeople.
	Obviously, that's not the case.
	And one of our listeners said it's actually the Capitol Police that protects the lower-level congressmen.
	So just, you know, the tops that we talked about, those are the Secret Service ones, like Pelosi and the Speaker of the House and things like that.
	That was that was good catch by one of our listeners.
	But yes, as far as drones, so that's relevant to this conversation because in, you know, this deluge of coverage that we're getting from this incident, they're releasing information that the suspect in this case, he put a drone up and did his own aerial surveillance of the The parade or the rally location so that that right there in itself That should really put a pause on everything because anything that indicates there's a potential compromise to your event You got to stop and it's it's one of the questions that keeps coming up and the statements people keep making is Why was he allowed to go on the stage after this person?
	if if I was running that event and we found someone that breached the outer perimeter with the rifle the events over and Because if you've been breached in one place, the odds are your entire outer perimeter is questionable.
	And so, one of the ways you're supposed to remedy that, and one of the cheapest, most effective law enforcement techniques, I mean, in my police agency, we had an entire drone team.
	I was running the patrol division, and we had a budget for it.
	So at these BLM riots that we would have, it was my job to prevent looting and rioting and destruction of property.
	And the best way to do that was for us to take all of the high ground, put up three sniper positions to make sure nobody from inside or out was going to attack the event.
	And then when the mob would inevitably move en masse to different parts of the city, we'd follow them with the drone and then we could call out to our officers, okay, they're now moving westbound on Main Street, they're now moving northbound on Sixth Street.
	And it's just, it is such a cheap and effective way to protect your event.
	I, I, I would like to think the Secret Service has that, but we haven't had it.
	We haven't received any information that they put drones up.
	And I mean, we're talking about a protest that I was the incident commander of and, and I had drones up for that because our job is public safety, right?
	And these, the Secret Service was charged with the protection of the life of a former president.
	And you think you could throw a couple of $500 drones up and kind of have an overview.
	I mean, it's just, The oversights that are just overtly presenting themselves in this situation are just piling up.
	They certainly seem to be.
	Yes, yes, just absolutely remarkable.
	Well, the news today, of course, is that Kimberly Cheadle has resigned under considerable pressure, I might add.
	Now, one thing I'd like to say is that in our last conversation, you said something I thought was remarkably fair-minded and generous.
	And you said it from a perspective of someone with experiences that I have not had.
	And it was this.
	You said, look, everybody's calling for her to resign.
	That's not necessarily justified.
	And what you explained to me is, look, if you have got several layers of hierarchy, you are not necessarily responsible for something that goes terribly wrong at a particular level.
	And you gave the example of, say, you as a high-ranking police officer.
	There are guys who are working below you who might do something really catastrophically bad.
	Now, you might fire that guy.
	You might make sure he never works as a police officer again.
	He might have to go to jail.
	But it is not necessarily appropriate for you to resign.
	And I thought, wow, here I am.
	I've never been in a position like that.
	I've never had layers of responsibility working under me.
	I've never really quite thought of it in those terms.
	I thought, OK, she's responsible.
	Out she goes.
	Well, she's out now.
	So please tell me, tell me your thoughts on the fact that she has resigned and whether or not she should have resigned or should have been fired.
	What are your thoughts now, now that she's no longer head of the Secret Service?
	So just to expand on that, on my experience personally, if you were to look at it, if you're driving around your city and you see a police officer driving a police car, I was that officer's boss's boss's boss.
	Wow.
	So I answered, I answered to the chief and he answered to the mayor.
	So I was top three in the agency in a major metropolitan city.
	So, with that, I'm the commander of patrol.
	I have six lieutenants who all run patrol teams, and each of those lieutenants has three to four sergeants, and then each of them has about 20 officers.
	So, if one of the officers makes a mistake, the first responsibility is the on-scene supervisor, the sergeant, and then I take a look at his or her involvement.
	If that was inadequate, if, you know, it wasn't the sergeant's problem, then I would look to the lieutenant.
	Because every lieutenant had to answer to me.
	So every watch needs to be run properly.
	And it's like you said, I can't, I mean, as I'm overall, like, much like Miss Chia was, I'm responsible for the success or failures of my, my division.
	And she's, she's got 8,000 agents.
	So, I mean, there's no way that she's going to see every briefing packet, every, she's not going to hear about every case.
	So, I mean, the oversight committee was really lambasting her saying, how come you don't know this?
	How come you don't know that?
	And I'm sitting here as a former commander, but also as an American.
	I mean, I'm trying to think from both sides of my brain here.
	I'm thinking, okay, she's responsible for that, but she has a reasonable expectation that the people she promoted to be her large incident commanders know what they're doing, know how to delegate, know how to structure an event like this, and she should have a reasonable expectation that they can run that safely.
	So, I mean, the calls for her to resign, it seemed very political to me, but at the end of the day, she ended up resigning, and it's what we called in the business, Resig-fired.
	So what I think happened is they said, Hey, look, I'm going to terminate you, but I'll let you save some face and resign with honor.
	So it looks like you did it willingly doing the right thing.
	So she was, I would, I'm almost certain she was resig fired, but after, if, if, if the listeners watched that just complete lambasting, she took from both sides of the aisle.
	I don't know how, I mean, I don't know how she would come back to work the next day.
	I put myself in her position as a commander and I said, Would I be able to go back to work after just taking that beating from Congress?
	And then the other side of me said, well, I signed up for this job.
	You know, I signed up to be in charge of everybody.
	So there's there's a little give and take there where she has to assume ultimate responsibility.
	But at the end of the day, just like I had a reasonable expectation that my lieutenants were going to run the city at three in the morning when I was asleep.
	She had the reasonable expectation that in Bundy, Pennsylvania, her agents had it under control.
	Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Butler, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	And the two questions we raised in the last one was, did she see the briefing packet, what we talked about, and she said she didn't.
	Which, that's very possible.
	I mean, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that she doesn't see every single one.
	And just to remind our listeners who didn't listen to part one, the briefing packet outlines all the protective measures that have been taken to make sure that the president or the dignitary is going to come out of that safe.
	Correct.
	It says the former president is visiting.
	This is the area of operation.
	This is the inner perimeter.
	These are the areas of concern, and this is our personnel.
	Right.
	So, I mean, those are done every single major event like this.
	I am 100% certain there was a briefing packet completed on this.
	What's in question is, did she see it?
	I don't know Secret Service policy.
	I don't know if they have to fire over the briefing packet to her every single time.
	It seems like that would be kind of overload.
	And like I said, she has a reasonable expectation that they know how to run an event.
	Right, right, right.
	Well, you know, I just, again, I think it's a very interesting perspective you have that someone like me, who never has been in that position, does not have.
	I mean, we like to think she's in charge, she's responsible.
	Out, woman!
	But, as you say, that's not necessarily the proper response.
	Now, my reaction, I must say, to that hearing, and I didn't hear all of it, but I thought Much as she is certainly going to be a target of criticism, as you say, from both sides of the aisle.
	I don't remember her name, but there was some Southern Republican congresswoman talking to her in the rudest way imaginable.
	And she asked her, first of all, a number of questions about, well, have you all answered all of the requests that have come in from this committee?
	And she says, well, I'll have to look into that.
	I don't know.
	And my guess has been they've asked for a lot of documents.
	And she says, I don't know.
	And this congresswoman says, well, OK, you keep lying.
	You keep lying.
	Well, I don't know if she's lying or not.
	She has no reason to lie about that.
	And then finally, after a number of what seemed to be evasive or unsatisfactory answers, this southern congresswoman says, you're full of shit.
	I thought, and I believe I heard a gavel drop at that and something about proper decorum.
	I think she should be sanctioned for something like that.
	You got no business, you got no business talking to a sworn witness in that way.
	You can express contempt in one way or another, but I'm an old-fashioned guy.
	I believe in white forms of behavior.
	I think we are.
	We are trying to hold up a kind of civilization, and a congresswoman in a formal hearing of that kind does not say to a witness, you're full of shit.
	I was, you know, I'm easily shocked, I guess.
	I'm an innocent, naive guy.
	My question is, to whom was she trying to endear herself?
	To her constituents by using profanity?
	Are you trying to flex your Republican muscles to somehow gain votes?
	I was not a fan of seeing my government as bad as it is now already.
	I didn't enjoy seeing this oversight committee descending into an episode of Maury Povich.
	It all just became, and then another guy said, you know, go back to guarding Doritos.
	Are we really that childish now?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	This is a serious event, and there's some aspects of the investigation that she truly
	doesn't know.
	But then, like I said, I looked at it from my position as a commander.
	If one of my officers got in a shooting, I know the answers to every question, exactly
	what happened, exactly who the decedent is, exactly who my involved officers are, exactly
	how many shots were fired, exactly what type of call they were on within one hour.
	So we're talking about you're the Secret Service a former president was shot Yes, and you should there's some of those questions.
	You should know and some of it is in Like you mentioned I was you know fair and impartial before some of it is still under active investigation And that's not stuff.
	We can't just spew it all out So it's up to their policies and procedures what they can can't release if there's an active FBI investigation I agree.
	It was very unseemly.
	I thought she was evasive.
	She was trying to blame the local police for things that probably were not her fault.
	But for this Congresswoman, I wish I could remember her name.
	To have treated her in that way, and used that kind of language, I thought was really a disservice to the country, to the institution of Congress.
	But again, I'm an old fogey, and I was born a young fogey, and the older I get, the older a fogey I become.
	So let's move on, unless you have more to add.
	Just one more part.
	The part I took the most offense to was when they mentioned the part where the officer was lifted up on the roof and then looked over.
	And then they started saying, and he didn't communicate anything.
	And it was just, they were incredulous that that wasn't relayed to the command post.
	The second that officer hit the ground after seeing that gunman, that's when the shooting started.
	There was no time to communicate, but they were trying to insinuate that, you know, he said, oh, there's a gunman on there, and then he just, like, got up and went about his day.
	The shooting started after he was discovered up there.
	That was the one part where I was just, I was like, hey, wait a minute, you know?
	Right.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Well, something that I believe is a contemptible aspect of human behavior, and it's especially contemptible when you have Congress, Congress people on TV, and that is to just pile on.
	If somebody is at fault, Everybody wants to get his licks in, and you know what it reminds me?
	It reminds me of those videos we see of black people attacking somebody.
	He could be black, he could be white.
	Everybody piles on, wants to kick the guy who's already down, wants to punch him, wants to jump on him, throw a bicycle at him.
	It's just contemptible behavior, and I hate to see white people behaving that way.
	Yeah, and in those cases just referenced, that's just pure anti-white racial animus and they see an opening and they take advantage of it time and time again.
	But this is just, I'm trying to figure out why both sides of the aisle, what they had to gain by, obviously it's a problem that needs to be addressed, but what did they have to gain by embarrassing and lambasting her for two hours like that?
	It's just, we're better than that.
	Well, I would think so.
	It just makes them look as though we're fighting to improve things.
	We've found an incompetent, and we are really standing up for the American people.
	I thought it was a shameful performance.
	I thought the Secret Service's actions were shameful, but that doesn't mean everybody who criticizes them has to behave in a shameful way, too.
	But anyway, The other despicable thing was at the convention, when she was walking upstairs and the group of congressmen was swarming her and screaming at her.
	Yes.
	Does anyone really believe that's going to be any type of tenable, meaningful conversation about the incident by chasing her down like a mob?
	I mean, that was completely immature.
	Those are the United States, that's the United States Senate.
	Well, let us then, yes, move on to the ostensible subject of part two, and that is 30x30.
	Now, the first I heard of this phrase, which is apparently deeply and unpleasantly familiar to you, was when people were talking about Kimberly Cheadle's goals for hiring for the Secret Service.
	And it means that by 2030, I guess that's the first 30, they want 30% of the agents, she insisted that 30% of the Secret Service agents be women.
	This is affirmative action for women.
	And as I understand it, the graduating classes for the Secret Service Academy, or whatever the training program is, are now majority women.
	This is a huge push to put women into the Secret Service.
	And as I said, I first heard of 3030 in the case, in the connection with this incident.
	But you tell me that 3030 has been kind of the byword for several years For police departments all around the country.
	Can you tell me about that?
	People are under the misconception that her statement about 30% female by 2030 is relegated just to the Secret Service.
	Nothing could be farther from the truth.
	This is a coast-to-coast campaign.
	If you Google 30 by 30, there's a whole webpage about it.
	So, a San Diego police officer and a Bangor, Maine police officer is going to be on some committee that's trying to achieve this completely, completely unattainable goal of 30% by 30%.
	So, it's just one of three police officers is going to be female.
	I mean, even if you had that many women that wanted to do the job, You're never going to get that many that are going to pass through the process.
	I've stood in line to take police officer tests several times, and in the good old days, it was hundreds deep.
	But now, if you have 10 police officer jobs, do you know how many applicants you'll get?
	Well, I don't guess.
	Maybe a hundred, maybe.
	Yeah.
	And of a hundred of those, 50 you can eliminate instantly.
	And then the other 50 you have to try to shoehorn in.
	That's why every single police agency across the country is hemorrhaging officers.
	And in the face of that, instead of saying, hey, let's try to bring some dignity and some support back to the job so that the right people will apply.
	They keep foisting these ridiculous goals onto the profession that will never be attained.
	Never.
	Well, I guess they could be attained, but at a terrible, terrible cost in competence and trust of the public is what it boils down to.
	Right.
	Let me preface it with this.
	I worked 30 years as a street cop, and I worked with some great female officers.
	They make fantastic special victims units, you know, child abuse detectives.
	I learned a lot from a female homicide detective when I was a rookie.
	They sometimes can be good supervisors.
	I worked for a female captain, and they can do a good job as police officers, but at the end of the day, This is a violent job for violent men, and whenever we would hire some tiny little, you know, adorable 98-pound female, and she looked sharp in a uniform, I would always say the same thing.
	I would say, one day she's going to accidentally stop a real bad guy, and it's going to get bad.
	And I shared, I mean, if, if, if the listeners are interested, I shared with you a couple of videos, which Taylor, but if you go in there and look at, if you Google female officer attack, you will, there are pages and pages of videos of female officers being disarmed or failing to use deadly force and was authorized or.
	Being completely dominated in a fight, but the worst one I ever saw was a Texas state trooper who was by herself and she took out a six foot five 250 pound black man that had several hundred pounds or like a hundred pounds of weed in his car and He just beat her face unmerciful.
	It's one of the worst cases you'll ever see but it's it's not sexist or misogynistic to admit the scientific fact that men are more built and ready and able and willing to To conduct violence when necessary, right?
	I mean, at the end of the day, I've met some really tough females that can, you know, they can bench press 135, which is very impressive for a female.
	I've even met females that can do a pull-up, which I guarantee you, you don't know a female that can do a pull-up.
	That's, that's, it's, they're just not built for it.
	But at the end of the day, if it came down to me fighting a 6 foot 5, 220 pound, dusted out Rodney King, Is my altruism for 30 by 30 going to save my life?
	Or is another violent man going to come in and save my life?
	No, it seems crazy to me.
	And yet, now again, you are, I find you extremely fair-minded.
	You say you've worked for a female captain, for example.
	Now, in order to be a captain though, did this woman have to go up through the ranks as a beat officer?
	Doing the things that big, strong, aggressive, testosterone-crazed men do.
	Did she have to do that, or did she get there some other way?
	So here's how it happens.
	I'm not going to disparage my female sister officers, but this is the truth and we're going to speak the truth here today.
	What they'll do is obviously every administration wants nothing more than to promote a female, right?
	That's accepted.
	We know that every agency across the country wants a female sergeant, wants a female lieutenant, wants a female captain.
	So inevitably females will come into the job.
	They'll usually work about a year in patrol.
	And they'll go they'll be a school resource officer somewhere.
	They'll go be a traffic officer somewhere.
	They'll go work DUI somewhere or they'll go or they'll try to get to property crimes detectives.
	They'll get out of patrol as quickly as possible because patrol is where the violence happens.
	That's where the you're you're diving into the unknown every single day.
	You're responding to radio calls and inevitably you're going to it's You're going to deal with violence every single day.
	So, and if any of my female co-workers are out there listening, it's, this is true.
	I mean, we, you'll never see, you're never going to see a 30 year female police officer that spent her entire tenure in patrol.
	You just won't.
	Because it's, they, they need to get somewhere where they, where they thrive.
	We're, you know, dealing with kids as an SRO.
	What's an SRO?
	A school resource officer.
	Not generally considered, not generally considered a dangerous job.
	That's one job that I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole because there's no danger in it.
	Spoken like a man!
	Spoken like a man!
	I had nothing to do with any of that.
	Or they'll go to traffic where they're, you know, sitting running radar and riding people speeding on their way to work tickets where there's little to zero risk.
	And like I said, inevitably, they'll stop a bad guy and then it goes sideways.
	And one of the unwritten rules in law enforcement is if you have a female on your team, We're your brother officers.
	Okay, and we're going to we're going to protect you.
	You're wearing the same uniform as us.
	We don't harbor disdain towards you, but we know that if we see on the computer what kind of a call you're going to if we see you're going to a domestic violence and says man with a knife or.
	Screaming black man with his shirt off.
	We know you're going to need help.
	So the dispatcher is not going to say, Oh, I'm sending a female cause I better send a couple more officers.
	Cause you know, that would be misogynistic and it would hurt the female officer's feelings.
	So if we see one of our female, you know, coworkers going to a call like that, we all drift that way.
	So if you ever go on a ride along on any agency, if you're riding around patrol and you see, if you hear a female officer go out on a traffic stop, You'll see five male officers respond just to make sure she's okay.
	It's an unwritten rule.
	If we see you going to something scary, we're not going to get on the radio and embarrass you.
	Say, hey, I'll come help you.
	We're just going to glide in and show up so that you know you're safe.
	And one of the funny things that would happen, this was from the beginning of my career to the end, is once the female officer sees that she's got five heavy, pipe-hitting, tattooed, weightlifting officers, they tend to get a little More aggressive with the suspect if you know what I mean.
	Yes, start talking about talking out their britches because they know we're there to back or play if it goes sideways and that's you know, I chuckle as I say that because I can I can sit here I could name names of female officers that were notorious for that.
	I they they were they were good to work with.
	But like we talked about at the end of the day, when it comes to fist fighting or gun fighting, who do you want next to you?
	And I would hope that even female officers would say, yeah, you're right.
	Because I'm not being unfair here.
	No, I'm absolutely convinced you're not being unfair.
	This just seems to be true to everyone who has gotten beyond the age of 12, or maybe even the age of 8, for heaven's sake.
	This just seems so obvious to me.
	Well, tell me about gunfighting, facility with weapons.
	It's my understanding that if people are talking about shooting at not rapidly moving targets, you can train women to be pretty much as accurate with a bench-rested rifle as a man.
	But what are the sort of sex differences that you would find in use of firearms?
	Women are not particularly good with handguns.
	That's just a fact.
	We would go and qualify and almost without exception, every time there was somebody that didn't understand the course of fire or they had a malfunction that they couldn't fix and the line would get held up, Almost always it's a female.
	Okay, they can shoot.
	A lot of times they fail to qualify and then the other officers will say, okay, everyone's dismissed.
	She's going to stay back and do some remedial training.
	And then later in the day we found out, oh, she miraculously qualified.
	So you can take that for what it is.
	But I have, I have never, and I'm a top tier shooter, so I could be biased, but I have never seen a female officer's target at the end of the day where I went, wow, that's a nice pattern.
	Never.
	And it's just, it requires a lot of, never.
	It takes a lot of strength, a lot of balance.
	I mean, you've, you've got experience with handguns.
	It's, you have to have a certain skillset.
	And even with infinite amounts of training, I've seen time and time again, Every female I've ever worked with, whether they were, you know, and they could be great police officers.
	They are well below the standard of male officers.
	And when we get to the Secret Service part, I'll talk to you about why that's relevant.
	Yes, we will sure get to those Secret Service videos that just flabbergasted me, absolutely flabbergasted me.
	Well, everything you say makes so much sense.
	And when I see these women who are chiefs, some of them, chiefs, and it seems to me these days, the absolutely done thing, the required thing is to have a black woman chief, not just a woman chief, but a black woman chief.
	And I can't help thinking, good lord, this is affirmative action on stilts.
	Is this woman really capable of really running the department in any semi-competent way?
	But that's very interesting what you say.
	They probably did spend a certain stint on what could conceivably, potentially be dangerous, real, bare-knuckles police work, but they didn't stay long, and then they moved into something else.
	That's almost without exception.
	Now tell me, if you see a hundred news stories where a chief is taking the podium, when was the last time you saw a white police chief with four stars on his collar?
	I'm not a star counter, but that just means he is the chief.
	Is that what the four stars?
	Okay.
	You're either going to see a black male or a black female.
	I mean, if you saw a white police chief in this day and age, you would pause the television and say, wow, look at that.
	I mean, it's just on, on the show I do, it's just, it's time and time again, we'll have black chiefs coming on.
	We had, we had a clip today where he came on and said, Oh, we don't want to show the mugshots of the black suspects because that paints a negative stereotype.
	And I'm like, Well, doesn't that hinder the police's ability to catch the person?
	We're more worried about feelings than catching bad guys.
	And we constantly hear about how blacks are being held back, they can't get ahead in law enforcement, blah, blah.
	But every chief you see on television is a black man or a black female.
	Or some other non-white minority.
	It's almost without exception.
	And I don't know in your area what the chief looks like, but I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts you have a black police chief in your town.
	I'd be willing to bet.
	You're right.
	A white man, one of these square-jawed, good-looking white men who immediately inspires confidence.
	You'd have to go out in the countryside and find some county sheriff, and you know, that's the difference Yeah, right.
	That's the difference and I talked about it today is police chiefs are appointed So they are at the whim of a progressive pop most likely black mayor right with a progressive black DA So they have to tow the line of that administration.
	But like you said the square-jawed tough guy.
	Those are elected officials So those are the people those are the sheriffs are elected by the people Police chiefs can be appointed from the moon.
	They can pull them out of anywhere and just say, OK, you were a police officer in Oregon.
	You're now the chief of D.C.
	That's that's really how it happens.
	And we're so we want social piety so badly.
	We're just taking these complete risks that we know are going to fail at the leadership level.
	No, it does seem absolutely incredible.
	Now, may I ask you a question?
	Are lesbians any better than heterosexual women, say in terms of weapons handling or coolness under fire or willing to get down and dirty?
	Is there any real difference?
	Because I assume there are a certain number of lesbians who want to be police officers.
	I actually have a very personal story about this.
	Okay.
	So when I was a brand new 21 year old officer, I was a goofball and nobody probably wanted to ride with me.
	So my first field training officer was a six foot tall American Indian lesbian gal.
	She was probably 180 pounds and was tough as nails.
	She was a former Marine and she put the fear of God in me and I didn't get into too many fights with her, but I was like, okay, if we get in a fight, she's probably going to do pretty good.
	And then my second FTO was another lesbian who was a five foot tall Japanese gal that was just gorgeous.
	And she, I mean, anybody could pick her up by her belt and toss her 20 yards across the street.
	So it's, I mean, the, the, the toughness level is there's definitely a difference in the toughness level.
	I mean, it depends on, it all comes down to, to muscle mass and bone density.
	The end I mean we're talking about that whether it's whether it's you know, men pretending to be women and women's sports It's just it's just undeniable scientific fact at the end of the day in a violent fight muscle mass muscle mass bone density and pain tolerance are what makes you a good fighter and inherently women don't have the level that men do and That's a fact.
	You would say, if we're talking about lady officers, hetero, homo, it's not going to make any difference, really.
	It's just a matter of muscle mass.
	There's no mindset that a lesbian might have that would be rarer with a heterosexual woman.
	Like I said, it depends on the person.
	My first one, she was just tough as nails, always gritting her teeth, country music.
	She even chewed tobacco.
	So she was more likely to get in a fight than my other FTO.
	But my other FTO, the younger one, she was more about talking people down.
	She was good at negotiating with people.
	So like I said, eventually, she's going to have to get dispatched to a 6'5 black man that's dusted on a PCP.
	And then what?
	Is altruism going to save her life?
	And an FTO, once again, is a?
	I'm sorry, field training officer.
	Field training officer.
	The one who supervises the rookies.
	Right.
	So when you're brand new, you have about 12 weeks where you ride around with different training officers.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Very interesting.
	Very interesting.
	Well, another sort of obvious question that probably people very rarely answer, very rarely talk about, but there must be a Boy-girl sexual dynamic when a good-looking woman joins the force.
	I mean, that cannot be avoided, it seems to me.
	It's like throwing a lamb to the wolves.
	So whenever an attractive woman shows up, and I saw this from when I was a rookie patrolman to when I was a captain, a very attractive female would come in and she would almost always be unattached, even if she was married.
	The wolves would follow her around to every call so that they could fluff their peacock feathers and try to impress the pretty female.
	It was just like, you know, women like a man in uniform and men like a woman in uniform.
	But that part is undeniable.
	The amount of adultery and just inappropriate sexual relations between police officers, that's a real thing.
	And that's coast to coast.
	You read about that from time to time, you know.
	There's some love triangle with some pretty girl and two guys or two pretty girls and one guy and one officer shoots another officer!
	Just, I mean, usually that's amongst our dusky brethren where it gets to that point, but still.
	Correct.
	It just seems absolutely, absolutely, absolutely obvious to me.
	It's like having women in combat.
	I mean, women in combat is something that I've looked into more, but it's one of those things that nobody who is on active duty ever dares talk about.
	I do know a guy.
	He's the son of one of my high school schoolmates.
	He deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq.
	He was a real shit-kicking soldier.
	But he said, when you're out on patrol, when you've really got a man's job to do,
	a woman is about as useless as a rucksack full of rocks.
	That was his word for it.
	Now, it's probably the sentiment of a great many people who are out there who have to do a man's job.
	But I'm sure there is no officer who aspires for higher ranking
	who would ever dare say such a thing.
	And my guess is it's true.
	It's true in police forces, too.
	Now, he did say women were useful under only one circumstance, and that is if you have to pat down a woman because, you know, you go into some Iraqi place and somebody's been throwing bombs, you know, you got dangerous people.
	You have an infidel man patting down a woman in one of those head-to-toe tents, and the whole town, the whole village is going to erupt.
	You have got mayhem on your hands.
	It's bad enough if an infidel woman is doing it, but you've got a man doing it, and it's chaos.
	You're going to have to kill everybody in town.
	He says, under those circumstances, you do have to have a woman.
	But that was the only thing that he thought ever was a woman useful on patrol.
	Isn't it funny how we adhere to the rules of decency even in times of war?
	Just to close this topic up, you do the math here if you're a layperson.
	You have, let's say, 30 people on a shift, 27 of them are males, all of them are weightlifting, tattooed, shooting, full of testosterone, guys with authority, and then you drop three pretty women in the middle of them.
	What do you think is going to happen?
	I mean, that's just nature.
	It's nature.
	That's why a background check is so important.
	You make sure somebody's not a stalker.
	You make sure, you know, somebody doesn't have behaviors with an ex-girlfriend.
	We go interview all the ex-girlfriends.
	You make sure you're not hiring that behavior.
	But Officer John, All of the background checks in the world are not going to change human nature.
	All of the guys could never have been a stalker.
	They could have never beaten a girlfriend.
	They could have been just the best guys in the world.
	But you put three pretty girls in their midst and things are going to happen.
	Things are, it just seems to me the distractions of having an attractive woman around when you've got to do a man's job and you're used to doing it with only men around.
	One of the things they say in the military, you have women in combat.
	Men will take, and you were sort of hinting in this direction, but men will take extraordinary risks to protect a woman.
	That's absolutely true.
	And I'm sure that's the same among police officers.
	It is just insanity to me.
	And there's no more powerful aphrodisiac than bold-faced bravado.
	If you're courting this woman, there's nothing you can do.
	That's the best you can do, right?
	And especially if you think she might be in a dangerous situation, you want to be the knight in shining armor.
	You're going to swoop in and pluck her out of the jaws of danger and she will love you.
	That perfectly describes what it's like.
	And you know, I talked about background checks and now that we're hemorrhaging officers, people are leaving the profession in droves, background checks are going to become more and more and more lenient.
	Polygraphs are being eliminated.
	And we're looking past things in the background that would normally instantly preclude you from being a police officer.
	But I mean, we don't, I don't want to get off on a tangent, but it's, it's the whole, this, this, Ever since somebody overdosed in police custody in Minneapolis in 2020, the exodus has reached full swing.
	There's not a single agency in the United States that's fully staffed.
	And now everyone is lowering their standards.
	And then on top of that, you want to try to get this 30 by 30 thing pushed in?
	The profession is on its last legs.
	It's gasping its last breaths.
	The people like me that wanted to do it for all the right reasons are not going to come anywhere near the job.
	You're going to have to dig the bottom of the barrel and now somehow you're going to have to go to job fairs and colleges and military bases and try to force, push them with their heels dug in to go apply to be police officers as women.
	This is so interesting and so obvious, just so utterly and completely obvious.
	Now, you and I are race realists as well as being sex realists.
	It's a use of phrase that my wife has wisely coined, I think.
	But when people, oh, maybe 20, 30, 40 years ago, or even some people today, When we were talking about race differences, or integration, and the poor, suffering black man who has suffered from slavery, and Jim Crow, etc., etc., etc.
	If all you knew about— Four billion years of slavery.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Ever since the sun was created.
	If you were living in Minnesota, or in Maine, or even in Massachusetts, and all you knew about black people is you read about them in Time Magazine or New York Times, you could believe that, well, the problem, of course, is racist white people.
	And if you just were nice to black people, they'd end up being just like white people.
	It was not implausible for people to believe that.
	However, when we're talking about sex differences and we're going to say, okay, we're going to make women, women are really just as strong, just as tough, have just as much killer instinct, are just as willing to mix it up with the bad guys as men.
	Look, everybody, most people have a sister and everybody got a mother.
	And for somehow we are supposed to, every one of us go completely blind to the obvious and think this is going to work out.
	I mean, you can't run, you can't take a society seriously that runs on such absurd counterproductive assumptions and as you say, we're going to be left with the absolute dregs who will give the police a genuinely bad name and make it even more impossible for the guys who really ought to be on the job have any desire to spend one second as a police officer.
	They can foist This competitive altruism into every profession because they have the weapon built in.
	If you even gently protest, you're branded a sexist, you're branded racist, and we both know those are the two terms you cannot shake.
	So everyone just has to sit there and take it.
	You're going to try to do this completely absurd plan and at the risk, at the peril of the safety of the
	community and at the peril of their own lives,
	putting them out there when you know they shouldn't go.
	I mean, are you going to put a 5 foot 1, 110 pound blonde female working the projects in Compton as a one man car?
	I mean, saying that out loud, you hear how absurd it is.
	She's not going to be taking the calls of, oh, somebody, you know, took my mail out of my mailbox
	or somebody threw some trash over my fence.
	They're gonna be dealing with black people shooting each other like they do every single day in droves.
	She's going to be thrust into the gunfire, thrown into the fray of nothing but...
	Abhorrent, incontinent black violence and there's no way around it.
	She can't get a call in her area and say, oh, that looks like a scary black man.
	Can the men handle this?
	No, if you want to have this plan, you have to assign them a beat and they have to accomplish the protection of that beat just like we do.
	And if you think that that's possible, If putting a 110 pound female on the boroughs of New York City, if you think that's safe, you're wrong.
	It's just, I mean, and we can only, the sad part is, is we can only say it here in this forum because everyone else has a pension to protect and even as absurd as it is on its face, you're forced to genuflect and capitulate and prostrate yourself to this absurd notion.
	To over, I mean, it's with everything.
	Whether it's black crime or females in law enforcement, we have been beaten into a corner.
	And now, I say this on my show all the time, policemen are just going to hide under a tree in the shade, playing Candy Crush on their phone, and wait for the crime to be finished, and then they're going to go take the useless report.
	That's what you're going to get.
	You're not going to get the hard charge.
	There's not going to be a two-man female unit out there at 3 a.m.
	in Compton, stopping carloads of black guys with machine guns in the car.
	It's just not going to happen.
	So when you sacrifice that, when you sacrifice proactive policing in favor of competitive altruism for looking good on paper, like Dirty Harry said, that's a hell of a price to pay to be fashionable.
	You're going to get a less safe community.
	It just won't work.
	And I love the females I worked with.
	I made some very great friends.
	They were great people.
	They very intelligent women, very smart, very good investigators.
	But at the end of the day, let's say you and I are in a fight.
	Who do you want?
	Another guy like me or you?
	Or do you want a 110 pound female grabbing the guy's foot?
	Well, you know, Officer Jones, since you mentioned it, since you mentioned your show, we have had so many people who admired what you said the first time around, and I'm sure they will admire what you're saying on part two as well.
	Please let the listeners know, and I'll give you a chance at the end of this podcast as well.
	How can they listen to your regular show?
	Our show is called Denial, Deceit, and Delusion.
	It's on Rumble.
	And the name of our page is Jack the Barbershop Guy.
	If you're familiar with Colin Flaherty, Jack was the guy that did all of those little songs for Colin Flaherty's show.
	He'd rewrite the lyrics to classic songs.
	And we tackle nothing but black violence from beginning to end.
	We do two two-and-a-half-hour shows per week.
	And we do nothing but cover links.
	And I will give a disclaimer.
	American Renaissance is a beautiful four-masted brigantine cutting through the sea with beauty and grace and dignity, and my show is a PT boat with two guys covered in grime and camouflage face paint, strafing the jungle line with a .50 caliber.
	So we are very different content.
	This is American Renaissance is white-collar, we are very blue-collar.
	That is going to be a big draw!
	That's going to be a big draw!
	We're getting pretty popular.
	Well, now tell me these remarkable video clips of the lady agents in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	I could not believe it!
	I could not believe it!
	We like to think that the Secret Service is the best of the best of the best.
	And any bonehead looking at the way I mean what there was there was one clip in particular you got two or three women obviously utterly confused and one woman draws her weapon utterly uselessly she's waving around and then she can't even holster it and then there's another woman walking or looking around and the only thing she can think of to do is to put her dark glasses on.
	But hey 30% of the agents were female Mr. Taylor.
	Mission accomplished.
	Correct?
	But to me to me It's all very well, it's all very well to pile on to Kimberly Cheadle and say, resign.
	To me, the obvious incompetence of these women should have been, should have unleashed an uproar.
	There should be an investigation on the record of female agents, female police officers.
	I've seen practically nothing about that.
	It is.
	It is taboo.
	It is a taboo pension killer.
	That's why.
	And if from if you look at the Secret Service, you talked about the snipers.
	And if you see the guys when the incident happens, you see the two guys kitted out in black gear.
	That's Hawkeye.
	So that's the Secret Service Assault Team.
	So those two cats that come out with those rifles, they can shoot a gnat's eyelash off at 50 miles per hour as it's flying.
	Those are the real shooters.
	So that's where you have to set competitive altruism aside and say, okay, my assault team has to be legit.
	But we talked about it on the last episode, the reason you put three females as the actual guarding, the actual asset, Yes.
	is because those are the ones that everybody watching TV can go, oh, look at the female secret service agent.
	Oh, look, another one, there's another one.
	And when an event like this happens, if you look back to the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt,
	secret service agents that are assigned to the asset are bullet sponges first, gun fighters second.
	So when you see this happening to Trump, you see them dogpiling him and you see them pause
	They're pausing because they're waiting for the shooting to stop, and they're going, oh man, please don't let a 2-2-3 round hit me in the back, because they all signed up, knowing me, that my job is to be a bullet sponge first, a gunfighter second, right?
	Because you can't do both.
	Yes.
	You can't I mean if you're if you're guarding the president gunfire is raining down you you have less than a second to
	Yes.
	figure out Where it's coming from that's impossible with the handgun
	So they've dog piled on him and then when you see them walking him off
	You can see one of the agents holding his arm over the president said that's him offering his arm to get blown off
	Yeah, instead of the president getting hit. Yes. Yes. Yes, that was clear
	Yeah, and in talking about the three the reactions of the three females. Okay when
	At first I was incredulous because you hear the female saying what are we doing?
	Where are we going?
	What are we doing?
	And I'm like, is she really that confused?
	But then I took a step back and I said, they probably have three extraction options.
	So one of them was probably back depending on the severity of his injury, depending on the availability of the exit and depending on which is fastest.
	So one of the special agents attached to Mr. Trump was the shot caller and that's the big tall guy that you see in the iconic picture.
	He's the boss.
	And when that female walks up she goes, what are we doing?
	Where are we going?
	I at first I chalked it up to just complete complete ineptitude But what it is is she's trying to find out which which spot are we going to and then the charge?
	he receives the note the Radio transmission shooter down then he knows it's time to move and he selects let's go to the spare is what he says and what he's referring to is the SUV off to the side So, I'm going to be fair, at first I was chalked that up to her just completely panicking, but now I genuinely think she was trying to determine which of possibly three available options they had.
	I see, I see.
	She's not the bimbo bozo that some of us think, not necessarily.
	I could be wrong about that, let's be clear.
	So, when the dog pile has him, if you're not a part of that dog pile, your job is now what's called 360 cover.
	So you turn your back to the, to the asset, which is what she did.
	And you're looking, is there anything obvious in front of me?
	The snipers are taking care of the long distance stuff.
	Is there anyone pushing through the crowd with a handgun?
	That's your job.
	She's supposed to have her gun out.
	And at some point she said, yeah, at some point she goes, okay, I'm going to try to put this away.
	And I'll tell you, I don't need to tell you this.
	A lay person knows this.
	If you can't holster your weapon, You're not very good with your weapon, okay?
	Holstering and unholstering are the two key factors to being a gunfighter.
	And putting it away is way more important than getting it out fast.
	So her equipment was wrong.
	She couldn't get her gun put away.
	And it was, I saw that and I'm just like, that's just like every day I saw on the range for 30 years, can't holster without looking down in it.
	And then eventually she just gives up and then she stays in the low ready.
	So she stops embarrassing herself.
	And then the other woman is in complete condition black.
	She either is terrified or forgot what her job is.
	She turns around in circles.
	That's, that is what we call conditioned black.
	She just melted down.
	So she turned, I have, let me just, I know we're going long, but a quick side story.
	One time we had a guy that we found a stolen car and he was inside a pool hall and we were waiting for him to come out.
	He was supposed to be on a dangerous set.
	He was going to shoot it out with us.
	So my partner and I hid in the rain behind a car.
	He had a 12 gauge shotgun.
	I had an MP5 submachine gun and we were going to take this guy down hard.
	And we tossed a flashbang at him in the parking lot.
	And if you have no idea that's coming, I don't know if you've ever, I'm guessing you've never experienced a flashbang.
	No.
	But they knock the crap out of you, even in open air.
	I mean, it's way worse than a house, but even in open air, we tossed the flashbang at this guy's feet and kaboom, it goes off.
	And he went conditioned black.
	He reached for his waistline thinking he should get his gun, but then he literally, and I'll never, I can see it in my mind's eye today, he literally went around in three circles like a cartoon character because his brain shut down.
	And that's the exact behavior that you see on the agent in the middle.
	So she just, your only job is 360 cover, don't look back at the asset, all you're waiting for is to hear the vehicle drive away.
	And they were so caught up and, oh, look at me.
	I'm here.
	I am with my sunglasses and, oh, no, something really happened.
	Conditioned black.
	My training is, you know, wasn't adequate and my fortitude isn't to the level it needs to be.
	And here's the product.
	And I don't, I always say on my show, I don't disparage fellow law enforcement officers, but.
	I've been in very, very many violent encounters, and I've never been more comfortable in my life.
	My heart rate doesn't even go up.
	In 300 high-risk entries I've done, I've never been more comfortable in my life than when with a pistol in my hand.
	So if you're not to that level, you shouldn't be guarding an asset of that, of Mr. Trump.
	You shouldn't.
	You have to be... Here's one more point.
	There's 8,000 Secret Service agents.
	is there's 8,000 Secret Service agents.
	Yes.
	Are you telling me that those three females physically and with their firearms
	outperformed 7,999?
	I mean they've you've got to be a shooter to be on the Secret Service.
	And there is no way that there weren't at least a hundred other capable males that wanted that top tier gig that were passed over for competitive altruism and for the completion of the ridiculous notion of 30 by 30.
	That's just, I mean, I'm not, I'm not disparaging my fellow law.
	That's just facts.
	It just is, you know, for a fact, there were a hundred other people that were infinitely more qualified than Well, and you suggested, you suggested on the show, part one, that that is the job all those agents want.
	They want to guard the president.
	They want to guard the top guys.
	That's what they join the force in order to do.
	And I'm sure you're absolutely 100% correct.
	There were at least 100 guys who were as tall as Donald Trump, who could shield him just by standing next to him, rather than these pint-sized ladies who can't reholster their weapon, who are running around in circles, who apparently were useless.
	And to me, it's one of the ironies The only reason that that iconic shot of a bloodied Donald Trump with his arm in the air saying, fight, fight, fight could even be taken was because he was not completely and utterly surrounded by big, beefy, blawny guys who made him invisible to the rest of the world.
	And it's just, you have to, there's a certain height requirement to guard the tomb of the unknown soldier.
	I mean, there used to be, there used to be height requirements in law enforcement.
	And that, that was way back in the day, you know, fifties and sixties.
	And incrementally since that time, we keep whittling away and whittling away and whittling away.
	Cause every, everyone coming back from Vietnam became these experienced gunfighters, you know, with, with that could deal with violence.
	And then as the years go by, we keep whittling and whittling and we're emasculating and vilifying the police department so much that nobody wants to apply anymore.
	And then on top of that, we're jamming these ridiculous plans to make the Secret Service 30 by 30 so we can look good on camera.
	How did that work out?
	Yes, how did that work out?
	How did that work out?
	It seems to me that this is one of the most public and spectacular failures of 30x30 anyone could possibly imagine, and yet I see no one talking about it.
	How can every single congressman, television commentator, editorial writer be so spineless?
	We all saw it.
	We all saw it, right on TV, over and over and over again, and nobody dares talk about it.
	We live in a pathetic country when it comes right down to it.
	Because our lives are dominated by social media.
	If you say the wrong thing, you are doxxed and eliminated from the public square.
	Even these congressmen know that one wrong slip of the tongue by saying maybe we shouldn't have females in that position, you're gone.
	Right?
	Does anybody have any doubt about that?
	You know, I'm beginning to doubt it.
	Really.
	Really.
	And also, there is nothing like being the first guy to stand up and say, look, black is black and white is white, after everybody's been saying the opposite.
	I have a sense that if somebody had been grilling that Kimberly Cheadle on the whole question of 30 by 30 and shown those videos right there in the hearing room, there are other Southern congressmen, male congressmen, who would have said, Damn right.
	I think all it takes is one or two, and they could have talked about it ahead of time.
	Look, if I make this point, you know, you gotta back me up.
	I mean, look, how obvious can it be?
	And there is no greater opportunity than when you see something like this, such a mind-boggling, hair-raising failure, right in your living room television screen, and say nothing about it.
	Let's take it a step further.
	Let's pretend you're one of the hundred men who spent his entire 20-year career preparing for, you know, knowing the right people, doing a great job, being an expert marksman, who was passed over for that exact detail, watching it on TV.
	Can you imagine their level of disgust?
	I mean, we've created an atmosphere where it's like the men that are qualified, that are passed over, almost hope for a failure so they can say, told you so.
	And we're doing that to the detriment of the safety of our country.
	We're literally, I mean, everyone is throwing around this threat to democracy, threat to democracy.
	We're literally Taking steps that are inevitably going to lead to the death of someone because we want competitive altruism, we want social piety, and we want to say, hey, look at us, everyone, we're not sexist or racist.
	Oh, the president almost got killed.
	Well, at least we're not sexist, right?
	We're to the point where we fear death less than we fear being politically incorrect or racist or sexist.
	That's literally where we're at.
	That is one of the absolutely astonishing things about the Anglo-Saxon.
	He may be able to leap out of a foxhole into an oncoming hail of bullets, but if you call him a racist, uh-oh, uh-oh, he shrivels up and turns into a jellyfish.
	It is the most astonishing thing.
	White Americans fear being branded racist more than they fear death itself.
	That's where we're at.
	That's, I mean, it's undeniable.
	Wow.
	Well, I've been saying, I've been saying this is coming.
	Just keep your eye out for this.
	Literally everything I've said since back the car is coming true before our eyes.
	And I, I predict that within five to 10 years, police officers will not be able to discharge their firearms until they've been fired upon.
	I predict that's going to happen.
	But then there'll be no officers on the beat ever.
	Right, right, exactly.
	And if you do get some, you'll be horribly understaffed and every one of them will be incompetent and afraid.
	And like I said, they'll hide under a shade tree playing Candy Crush on their phone, waiting for your house to get burglarized, waiting for your loved one to be raped, waiting for you to be carjacked.
	And as soon as it's over, then they'll come take your name and date of birth and write a useless report that'll never get prosecuted.
	That's the direction we're heading.
	Proactive policing has been murdered by the vilification of law enforcement, by everyone in the media, up to and including the President of the United States.
	And if you think Kamala Harris is pro-police, you're completely out of your mind.
	No, she hates anybody wearing a blue uniform, especially a white man.
	Well, Officer John, we usually don't go over more than about an hour.
	And I think we have covered this well.
	Are there any other points you'd like to make on this whole 30 by 30 business?
	Because... I want to say... Yes, yes please.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry about that.
	I want to say my favorite saying.
	I have a poster, a plaque of this up on my wall.
	And it's, maybe remind the few, if ill of us they speak, that we are all that stands between the monsters and the weak.
	You have to have violent men protecting you.
	It's a violent profession.
	It's the whole don't want to see the sausage being made.
	You just want to see the finished product.
	It's a dirty, grimy, tough, gross business, but it has to be done so people can sleep peacefully in their beds while men like me were out there risking their lives for complete strangers for 30 years because that was the right thing to do.
	That was duty, country, honor and city and family.
	That's what I cared about.
	And that is being erased by the overt vilification of everyone in the uniform.
	And if we, if this, I dare not even utter the words of Kamala Harris becoming the President of the United States, but if that were to happen, the mass exodus will pick up speed and we will have a militarized national police force.
	Just watch.
	It's already happening.
	Okay, well, Officer John Patterson, ladies and gentlemen, a great police officer, a great American, and a great, let's put it bluntly, a great man, and I say that word advisedly, a man!
	So, could you once again tell our enraptured listeners how to tune into your show?
	Yes, we're mostly on Rumble.
	That's where we post, but we're shared all over different platforms like BitChute.
	The name of the show is Denial, Deceit, and Delusion.
	We're following in the footsteps of the great Colin Flaherty, and the name of our channel is all one word, Jack the Barbershop Guy, and all of our content is on there.
	We do two two-and-a-half-hour shows a week, and then I do body cam breakdowns where I tell you what really happened.
	I just recently broke down the entire George Floyd body cam video, which people might find very interesting.
	Well, great.
	Well, again, it is a pleasure and honor to have you as a guest on our show, and we'll have to do it again sometime.
	I loved every minute of it.
	I'm always willing to contribute to American Renaissance, the best website on the internet.
	Thank you so much.
	Great to have you.
	Well, that's the show, ladies and gentlemen, and you will be hearing us again very shortly this week with my usual co-host, Paul Kersey.

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