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June 30, 2024 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Hey guys, welcome to View from the Right.
This is Gregory Hood.
I'm here, as always, with Paul Kersey.
And today we're going to be talking about the subject that is probably going to divide the American right more than anything else in 2024, which is, do we rally behind Trump?
I think the right is pretty united behind Trump, but there are certainly some significant voices on the dissident right or the alt-right or the racially conscious right that are saying, well, Trump didn't really give us anything in 2016.
In many ways, things got worse.
But the obvious counter to that is a lot of people did stay home in 2020.
And what have we gained from that?
I don't know, Paul.
I mean, I think that Trump is not our guy.
I don't think you're going to see many God Emperor memes or these fantasies that he's going to take personal leadership and make America great again.
But the question is, what is the alternative?
And I don't just mean Biden.
I mean, what do we actually get from staying home?
Does anyone even pay attention to that?
We get nothing to say from home.
I think the great Crisis of 2020 was what Ann Coulter pointed out, that President Trump alienated the white working class in the states that matter.
I mean, there are only six or seven states that actually matter in every election at this point.
It's Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and... Is that it?
Am I missing one other state that actually... I mean, that's just about it.
It comes down to the Rust Belt, and right now it's white working class voters.
Yeah, I mean, the problem is that Biden is actually a strong candidate for the Democrats among that constituency.
He can play up to, oh, Scranton Joe, union voters, white male who can every once in a while mumble something about George Washington or something, which people find charming.
And the Democrats really don't have anybody after that, but they don't need anybody after that.
I think one of the big things that Republicans are taking for granted is they just sort of assume that Trump has as large a share of the white working class and white voters generally that he could possibly have, and therefore they can move on to trying to win, you know, 10-15% of the black vote and whatever percentage of the Hispanic vote.
But if you look at the polls, Biden is actually doing pretty strong among white working class voters.
There was a Fox News poll that just came out which showed that I think Biden was actually ahead
among rural voters and the obvious counter by everybody was just to laugh it off and say,
well, this isn't a good poll.
But I don't know.
I think that if you are a rural voter and you don't feel that Trump is looking out for you
specifically, why not go for the Gibbs that the Democrats are promising you?
I mean, granted, you're not going to get it because what they don't understand is that it's ultimately a kind of racial communism as opposed to entitlements for all.
But that's not what the attack ads are going to say.
No, I mean, and that's the problem with Republicans who want to go with the black vote.
Why would you go for the black vote when you want to cut entitlements?
I mean, that's one thing.
I remember one time we were at an event.
At a Beltway conservative event, you and I, I think this was 2009, 2010, and some guy actually got up and cried about the black of the black vote for Republicans.
And I think he made a really snide remark.
It's like, why would they ever vote for Republicans when we're talking about cutting their entitlements?
Like, do you not get how the incongruity in your thought process here, pal?
People talk about limited government for blacks, like they would starve to death overnight.
I mean, the black middle class is entirely an artificial creation.
I mean, all those black professionals you see, that's just a handout.
That's just a set-aside.
It would not exist were it not for civil rights laws and set-asides and various DEI.
It's all fake.
None of it.
And if you look at contractors, for example, I mean, one of the biggest scandals in the trades is that it doesn't matter what your bid is.
It doesn't matter the quality of your work.
You're not getting a big city contract.
You're not getting a big state contract unless you're a minority-led firm.
Which is why you have so many that are just fake, or they just have a front man doing this stuff.
Yeah, I hate to go back to Atlanta as a great example of all this, but the first black mayor, Maynard Jackson, in the 70s bragged about how they created and shook down the Atlanta airport and created so many black millionaires because they mandated majority-minority contractors for so much of the building, to a point now where, you know, the running joke is, you know, white people cannot get business trying to run a kiosk or trying to have a
franchise there at the airport because of the mandate for majority-minority businesses. So many
people will try and, so many white guys will try and do whatever they can to find a minority
partner just to have that face so they can get a foot in the door. You know, it's a very, very
difficult thing to do.
You're right.
I mean, this is this is one of the this is one of the drawbacks on the right that you and I saw.
I mean, it was it was pathetic.
I'll never forget this guy crying.
Also, this guy, by the way, fun little anecdote for everyone.
He would he was famous for having memorized the Declaration of Independence, but he was always this guy.
I know exactly what you're talking about now.
Fragile because he didn't want to talk about the part in the Declaration of Independence where Jefferson talked about the Indians.
Yeah, the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an extermination of all men, women, and children, something like that.
That's the part I have memorized.
Yeah, to me that's the most important part because that's the whole reason why the colonialists were like, hey, listen, King George, we're trying to enlarge the frontier.
Right, because the British wanted to hold them back.
Exactly.
I just want to throw them back with the proclamation.
And so a large part of the American drive for independence was frustration with the British trying to prevent white settlement and to basically cultivate the Indian tribes as allies.
And for somebody like George Washington, who's basically the two great passions of George Washington's life were military command and land speculation.
And land speculation meant westward expansion.
And that was true of a lot of these guys.
And It was a death knell if you weren't going to get land speculation.
One of the things that Washington said is, I think it was when he was putting down, I don't know if it was the Newburgh conspiracy, but it was close to the end of the war.
It was after Yorktown when there was basically an attempt by some Continental officers to pull a Cromwell, to basically say the Continental Congress hasn't paid us.
We're going to march.
We're going to take over political power.
We're going to get our pensions.
We're going to get what we want.
And Washington put it down and famously made that speech where he said, gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles for I have grown not only gray, but almost blind in the service of my country.
And everybody cried.
But one of the things he said in that speech is he, he referred to America as our rising empire.
And he meant our rising empire in the context of westward expansion.
That was key to the whole American revolution.
That was key to the war of 1812.
That was key to the Mexican war.
That basically explains everything that America was for the first century of its existence.
And many whites now may forget that, but the people who were defeated by us never will.
And at its core, America is what they say it is.
It is a settler state.
It is a settler colony.
That we built these, we built a country here, and then we took over a continent, which was probably the greatest geopolitical achievement of the last, what, 500 years?
I mean, that's why we are a superpower now, or why we were anyway, back when we were still a sovereign power.
The other obvious example, Mr. Hood, and I know we're deviating, we'll get back to everything about Trump and immigration, but the other obvious example would be Cecil Rhodes and what he did with South Africa and Rhodesia.
That would be the- And of course, that was thrown away too.
I mean, the key here is that when you look at, and this will return to Trump, if you look at what Britain did after World War II and is doing now, there's this idea that you can have an imperial or great power identity that isn't built on an ethnic or racial basis, and that is not true.
Britain would still exist as a great power if the foundation of its power was fundamentally on the white race.
What it was for Australia when it was whites only settlement what it was for South Africa.
In Rhodesia, one of the great things that.
Ian Smith wrote in The Great Betrayal was he was talking about South Africa, and obviously there are huge tensions between the Dutch speakers and English speakers there.
Back to the Boer Wars, the first concentration camps in history were directed against the Afrikaners by the British.
But one of the things that Smith said was if you look at the total white population of Rhodesia, In South Africa, they could have held back the demographic doom of Southern Africa for quite some time, if they had operated as a unity.
But of course they didn't.
And you had these Afrikaans-Anglo distinctions, which really crippled white resistance in Southern Africa.
And let's not forget, the reason Rhodesia went down is because white South Africa cut a deal with the rest of the world, thinking they would be left alone if they would sacrifice Rhodesia.
And of course, all they did was get a stay of execution for five years.
Yeah.
Now, when you think about Trump, when we think about America... Have you ever read this book, by the way?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's what I was quoting from.
I think that when we talk about Trump and we talk about America, this is the other point.
This is why this, in many ways, could be the last election.
Not in the sense that, like, they'll never have an election again, but in the sense that this will be the last competitive one.
America, everything that America is, when we think of traditional America, It is fundamentally the product of a racial majority, an insurmountable racial majority.
Without that, there is no America.
And people can point to, well, this Black or this Hispanic or this whoever assimilated.
It's like, yeah, but they assimilated because in some sense they had to, because there was this larger white majority that they had to play by the rules of.
When that no longer exists, they don't assimilate.
And you only have to look at what happened to all these former colonial powers to see guys who 30 years before had been dressed up in British military uniforms and marching around, now putting on African tribal gear and dancing and trying to promote themselves as the authentic voice of their people.
Because once they don't have some larger standard that they have to kiss up to anymore, you get the reversion to the mean.
And we're seeing that in the largest sense with America.
We saw that with this rally in New York where Jamal Bowman, the guy who pulled the fire alarm in Congress and then got a slap on the wrist even though he should have been expelled, basically just started screaming obscenities at the crowd and dancing around.
Now he's going to get forced out because of opposition to AIPAC it looks like, but I mean there are plenty of Reasons that I think white people in this country should should have forced them out for a long time ago But unfortunately, we don't really have a voice in in Congress when you look at the a lot of the opposition to Trump at this point it clearly has nothing to do with the policies that he's advocating or would carry out in 2024 because
So much of what he is saying is disappointing to his core supporters.
For example, just a couple days ago, well let me just make this point because this is critical, a couple days ago of course you had this unlimited expansion of legal immigration where he basically said we're going to staple a green card to every college graduate, immigrant college graduate.
Now that is literally a line from a Hillary Clinton speech in 2015.
Now there's no reason To support a candidate who's going to do this stuff.
But again, the question is, what is the alternative?
And you could say, well, why is he doing this?
He's betraying his core supporters.
It's like, well, because the people who are telling him to do this are going to pay him a hundred million dollars and you're not.
That's what democracy is.
It's ruled by money.
The question, the only question really, is that if we concede If people who are listening to us concede or agree that what American identity is built upon is the white majority.
Does Trump getting elected give us a better chance to defend that and to establish an independent voice for it?
Or does remaining divorced politically from the Trump administration allow us the opportunity to craft an independent voice?
My thinking is no, simply because nothing has emerged since 2020.
And there were quite a few people who were enthusiastic supporters of Trump in 2016 who did not support him in 2020 because they felt betrayed.
Well, betrayal is one of the hard facts about what happened in the Trump administration.
I mean, you talk about the energy that happened when he, I think one of the first things that happened in 2017 after he was inaugurated was the ban on immigration from a number of Muslim countries.
Am I getting that correct?
Well, yeah, but originally remember that we were going to have a ban on Muslims full stop.
Until we figure out what is going on, quote unquote.
And what we ended up getting was a ban, a selective travel ban from certain countries, not the entire Muslim world, not Muslims as such.
And even that got held up because of our stupid system where some random judge somewhere is just like, no, I don't like this.
And so therefore you're not allowed to do it.
And so just nothing happened.
So you remember like the big rallies at the airports?
Right after they announced the policy and everything else.
So we didn't get the Muslim ban.
One of the interesting things is I remember from the primaries with that plan, remember how radical this proposal seemingly was?
Like, we're just not going to have Muslims allowed in the country anymore.
Full stop.
And what ended up happening was you had these polls In primary states, where because they couldn't poll in the direct aftermath of an election, you had to wait for the results.
They couldn't just say, who did you vote for?
But they could poll the audience or poll the voters, I should say, on what they thought about certain issues.
And you had like majorities or close to majorities of people saying, we don't want Muslims in America.
And you could see the shock and horror on the journalists faces as they were reporting these results, because the base is way more right wing than anybody in the race other than Trump.
But you never got follow through on this.
Now, the one thing I will say in Trump's defense is that he basically said a lot of similar things when it comes to legal immigration, when it comes to educated workers and people like this.
And then he didn't actually follow up on it once it was in office.
In fact, he limited it quite strictly.
So, but I mean, this gets to the larger problem of democracy, where the most foolish thing you can do in a democracy is actually believe what politicians tell you at face value.
No, I think Trump, you have to go back and look at a lot of the things he did great.
Of course, I remember talking to Peter Brimlow one night back in February or March of 2020, and basically the borders were closed.
And I said, Peter, we've won right now.
And he was like, oh, my gosh.
And it was a shocking moment for him, because you think about all the time that he had spent since he wrote Alien Nation, the article about him.
Yeah, well, that didn't age very well, though, did it?
It didn't.
But of course, he also stopped green cards.
I mean, there was a lot of positive things that Trump did with immigration.
And again, we know that he's made a lot of comments about anti-white policies.
Stephen Miller is still advocating for some serious deportation.
We know that the left is terrified.
The New York Times, The Washington Post.
They've all written scare articles.
MSNBC is terrified that their hosts are going to be thrown in jail if Trump wins.
I mean, again, I wish we had that Trump that they're scared of.
I mean, that's the thing.
We, the right, we want the Trump the left is afraid of.
And unfortunately, we're going to get the right that the Kato Institute is advocating for.
Yeah, I mean, the issue, of course, is that Trump fundamentally wants the approval of these MSNBC hosts.
He doesn't want I mean, I think he likes the people who are cheering for him.
I don't think he hates his base with the same kind of visceral scorn and contempt that he gets from most Republicans.
But he doesn't value their approval in the same way as he values the approval of the media elite.
And that's one of the big problems that he has.
I mean, that's really the fundamental problem of Trump.
I mean, that's the speech you should have given at AFPAC.
I mean, I know we're not going to talk about that too much, but I mean, that's really the reality of Trump is that he was not, he was born with, you know, there was a silver spoon in his mouth, but it wasn't the type of silver spoon that the true elites have.
I mean, you have to look at how hard he fought and I've read The Art of the Deal.
It's fascinating.
I mean, one of the most important aspects in that book is You know, he wouldn't drink.
He'd just listen.
He'd go to parties and listen.
And his whole goal was to buy the Buffalo Bills.
I mean, you think about, had he bought the Buffalo Bills, I don't think he'd ever had any aspirations to be a politician.
He would have just loved to have had a seat at the table of power, in his eyes, of what that actually represents.
You know, he was busy building the most grandiose buildings in Chicago, New York, Las Vegas, all around the world, Mar-a-Lago.
And then, of course, everything he tried to do, he's had a lot of failures. And I think,
again, I think that's what's motivating him in 2024 is the failure of 2020, regardless of whether
or not you think the election is stolen. That's neither something you or I really care to talk
about. We're not going to talk about that. But the point is, I do think he's going to win.
And I just don't want another four years of wasted opportunity when we don't have that much time.
And I think as Jared Taylor has made clear, the country's pretty much toast at this point, like unless you have mass deportations and you have to literally have mass deportation just as a basis as a basic.
Requirement of American survival at any level like we've let it get to that point I mean really you need to go farther and you need to strip it Birthright citizenship you need to take citizenship away from anchor babies.
You need to go a lot farther But at the very least you need mass deportation of the legals and if we're not going to get that We're cooked.
I mean, there's no two ways about it.
The issue of course is that there's very little other than Trump himself There doesn't seem to be anyone who's really positioned as this heir.
I mean, I suppose we should comment that as of this being recorded, we don't know who it is yet, but as of this being recorded, Trump has supposedly picked his vice president.
Correct.
And supposedly that is going to be at the next debate, but we don't know who that is yet.
That's a great point.
And I think one of the things, that's one of the saddest things you think about all
of the individuals since George Floyd had his fentanyl overdose back in May of 2020.
You think of Tom Cotton.
You think of the Republicans who have really stepped forward and have pissed off the left.
Tom Cotton of Arkansas, the senator who wrote that article about the need for martial law
and the military to come in and reclaim the cities.
Remember how just visceral the left was on that, which again, we now see from El Salvador.
That's the first step toward regaining your country.
Simply mass arrest those who are committing the crime.
Oh, you could, I mean, this is the thing that's so frustrating.
The only reason El Salvador was able to do what it did is because it's not developed enough to have a million NGOs that get in the way of the government actually governing.
I mean, what we need is not limited government.
We need a strong government and a government that actually governs.
That's what we don't have.
I mean, we have the most intrusive state possible, but in terms of a state that actually can follow a coherent agenda. We don't
have that. That's the irony of the American situation. Now, the problem, of course, is
that if we look at Cotton, for example, I would also put J.D. Vance in this category, who said a
number of excellent things on immigration.
You can probably think of a few more senators and representatives, but they've lost a lot of
credibility among the America First over the last few years because of their foreign policy stances,
and also because they've kind of gotten distracted by other things.
I mean, I can't even think of the last time Tom Cotton said anything that really attracted nationalist attention.
The only time I ever see him is going nuts for more wars overseas.
Unfortunately, Tom Cotton is spending most of his time disregarding his constituents in Arkansas.
spending his time tweeting about Israel. And again, I mean, they need that. This is this
gets to the heart of the thing. And this isn't just about Trump, who obviously is trying to
get the 100 million from Mira Madolson, Sheldon Anderson's widow, when it comes to foreign policy
concerns. But this is probably what's driving also what he's saying on immigration.
I mean, he needs donors.
He needs money.
Rich people don't vote.
Rich people do not donate to Republicans anymore, which means that donors who are willing to give a lot and have a very firm ideological agenda and a very transactional agenda, those are the people Trump can work with.
And Trump is a transactional politician, which normally is good.
Because you don't necessarily want a guy who has deep-seated principles that those are the wrong principles.
You want a guy who, if you put pressure on him, would do the right thing.
But the problem is we don't have a lot of deep-seated people on our side.
And this gets to a larger problem with the white elite generally, even white conservatives.
If you look at the kinds of things that white conservatives, who have a lot of money, give their money to, it's all like donating college sports teams, donating to You know, a concert symphony or a museum, and they think these things are apolitical, but actually they've been taken over by the same woke left as everything else.
A lot of these symphonies and museums are now just running exhibits on decolonializing music, making sure, driving whiteness out of the arts, Afrofuturism.
I saw from the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, for example, that Trayvon Martin's flight suit is now in an exhibit.
at the Smithsonian, and this is part of a larger Afrofuturism exhibit, so like that's the kinds
of things that quote-unquote high culture supports at this point. But there's this kind of disconnect
between rich white conservatives and what they think their money is getting, whereas on the
other side, well among neoconservatives, among corporate donors, and certainly among left-wing
donors, you don't see this kind of naivete. Like they...
They understand that it's a commercial transaction, and if they put up money for X, they're going to get Y. Whereas conservatives are just kind of blundering around, pretending that they don't have any political enemies.
It's amazing to me.
how people who are so successful and have to have a certain intelligence and ruthlessness to get to that level
are so blind about the way the world works.
Trump ultimately is going to kiss up to the people with money.
In 2015-2016, he said he could fund his own campaign.
Well, one, he may not be as rich as he always said, but more importantly, he's had his money basically drained
by nonstop lawfare over the past however many years, and a lot of the foundations of his business have been
undermined because all the big businesses turned their back on him,
won't cut deals with him anymore.
The networks used to cover his speeches, remember?
In 2015, 2016, like you'd be at a bar and the place would just be dead quiet and everybody would be listening to Trump giving some Stemwinder two-hour speech about immigration, and that's
all the networks were covering.
And they did it because they thought it was a freak show.
They did it because they thought they could undermine and destroy him by giving him oxygen.
What they didn't realize was that the country was captivated and thought everything he was
saying was right. Well, now they've learned, and they don't give him any kind of coverage at all, which
means that—I mean, I remember after he got convicted of that one stupid thing in New York, he
started making a speech, and it cut to—I don't know if it was CNN or MSNBC, but the journo very
smartly was like, well, we don't allow disinformation on this platform.
He kind of smirked and then like cut the camera.
And that was that.
That's the way they're handling it now.
So what does he have to do?
He has to buy ads.
He has to put out our media.
He has to, he has to have an organization behind it because he can't just automatically get his message out there for free like he could in 2015 and 2016.
And that makes him, unfortunately, a far more conventional Republican, a far more conventional politician because, in some sense, he is owned.
Now, I don't think it's quite as bad as it is with most.
I think Trump is still Trump.
I think there's still something there.
I think he is still a singular figure in American politics.
But I think we're kidding ourselves if we think that 2024 is the same energy as 2016.
We'll find out.
I think this debate is going to be fascinating.
Again, we're taping this on June 24th.
You know, we're a couple days into summer.
I'm sure it's hot wherever our listeners are.
I hope you guys are hydrating and staying cool.
I just actually left the pool and I was joking on Twitter about what flag I should buy for my house.
And by the way, I settled on the Betsy Ross flag, Mr. Hood.
That's the flag that I think most symbolizes.
Yeah, it's probably the best one to go with.
I think it's I think it's the one that truly identifies with because you have to remember that was that was, you know, like we talked about earlier in this podcast, the Declaration of Independence and the idea of The white citizens wanted to expand and they're like, hey, you're not helping us against these merciless Indians.
And there's a great book about George Washington and the Indian Wars.
And it was, I mean, you want to read about some of the most captivating stuff that will just enthrall you.
And it was what white settlers had to deal with, with the various Amerindian tribes.
I will never call them Native Americans.
We're Native Americans.
I think that needs to be something that's very clear when we're talking about what we establish on this continent.
And, you know, Madison Grant made that quite clear in The Conquest of the Continent, which is another great book which the ADL went to war with back in the late 1920s.
Greer and I, Scott Greer and I, have had a conversation as to which is the best book about America and the conquest of this continent.
He thinks it's Teddy Roosevelt's trilogy, or his books about the conquest of the West.
They're pretty amazing books.
They are amazing books, but I do think it is Madison Grant's book because, again, that's the one that the ADL went to war with.
But my point is this.
We all want to have hope and some politician who comes along and I hate to say it, it's still this, this guy in New York who in 2015 came down the, uh, the escalator and just happened to say a few things that captivated the United States, uh, citizenry that still believed in the country that Mexicans were rapists.
They're not sending their best.
And he kept stumbling into things.
That allowed him to propel himself above Ted Cruz, above Jeb Bush.
And I don't think he knows what he's talking about sometimes.
I think that's one of the problems.
Because he is having to deal with trying to, like you said, he's, he's, he's, Letitia James has effectively probably cut probably half of his, of his wealth with everything that's happened.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a line, I think in Art of the Comeback, Where he says, he's with I guess Marla Maples and he says, he sees some homeless bum on the sidewalk and says, that guy's worth like 200 million more than I am.
And she says, well, if he has nothing, it's like, yeah, exactly.
He has nothing.
And I'm down in the hole, like 200 million or whatever it is.
I mean, you wonder.
Because what they want, obviously, is not just to put him in jail.
They want to bankrupt him and his family.
I mean, this is one thing that I will say in defense of Trump.
People are like, well, he hasn't sacrificed anything.
Like, are you completely insane?
I thought the most real thing he ever said was he was at some rally in Pennsylvania or something like that.
There was some trucks in the background.
He was like, boy, those are great trucks.
I wish I could just get in that truck and drive off and just never have to talk to any of you people again.
I had such a great life before I did this."
And it's like, there's some real pathos there because he did have a great life and everybody
loved him and everybody in the media at least pretended to like him and kissed up to him
and everything else.
Guys like Mitt Romney, as he famously said, would go to their knees to get his endorsement
and everything else because he was a celebrity, he was a TV star.
And now he is hated and the people who love him and would go to war for him are the people
who have no cachet in the world that he comes from and the world that he values.
Now he's hiding out in Mar-a-Lago in Florida and he's essentially been driven out of New York City, the place that he was once totally identified with as like the representative of what New York City was all about.
But now in New York City is about Corrupt black politicians and getting stabbed to death on a subway like that is what you're and giant rats like that is what New York City is now that is the brand of New York City And that's what they want.
Yeah, so but I mean Trump has given up a lot in Trump I mean, I think that's what gives him a certain amount of credibility.
He doesn't he has sacrificed a lot He never tries to be something that he's not in the sense of you don't see him go to these state fairs wearing the little Flannel shirt where it's like, oh, I'm a working-class guy like one of you, you know, he wears a suit wherever he goes He's always Trump.
He's always on he always talks the same way and so people Respond to that but the question is that this is not a one-time slip-up this immigration thing and a lot of the other things that he's been saying and doing He does these things repeatedly and the base will go nuts and occasionally he'll retreat but he keeps wandering back to it like a dog to its vomit and And he does this even on things that don't make any sense.
Like you remember he did this during with gun control during his first term.
If he does get reelected, some would say for the third time, then the battle really just begins because I don't think anybody is going to be in the mood to trust the plan.
I don't think anybody's going to be in the mood for 4D chess.
I don't think anybody thinks that he knows what he's doing.
I mean, this is a guy who is fundamentally driven on the need to win, but is profoundly uninterested in governing and has a very bad tendency to listen to the last guy who talked to him.
And he's not surrounded by good people.
He's not surrounded even by the kind of people he had in 2015, 2016.
Instead, he's surrounded by, frankly, a lot of grifters and a lot of people who are just kind of giving them these conservatism-ing talking points mixed up with a bit more culture war rhetoric than we would have gotten 20 years ago.
But it's all recognizably still there.
The question I have is people are like, well, then that's why we stay home and have our own thing.
And it's like, yeah, but what thing is that?
I mean, name one pro-white representative, name one pro-white senator, name one pro-white state representative, because I can't think of any.
No, there's not.
I mean, the only one that you could even even argue Who has garbled himself into some goofy comments is Tommy Tuberville, the senator from Alabama, who I actually know I've met many times.
I think that he's actually said some great things and he has tried to make himself the most Trumpian.
And I think that's that's the one thing that I really want to see is who's going to take the next step and try and be that bridge.
Because Trump, again, Trump is not the the end.
He's not the end game.
He's building the bridge to the next to quote Bane from Dark Knight.
Yeah, we want to see the end of this.
I mean, it's the return of the strong gods.
We want to see the end of the long 20th century.
That's we all want to see the end of the post-war. Yeah, we want to see the end of this. I mean,
it's the return of the strong gods. We want to see the end of the long 20th century. There's
this phrase, the long 19th century, which talks about the, it wasn't just, it was essentially
Waterloo to World War I, where it goes into the 20th century, but not really.
I mean, if you go to the Europe of 1910, it's still recognizable to the world of the Duke of Wellington or even, you know, Queen Victoria and Bismarck.
I mean, these are not like completely ridiculous.
This wasn't like a huge separation, whereas we are still fundamentally living in what they call quite openly the post-war world.
The rules based international order, which itself is a product of World War II.
And we're not allowed to move back from that ideologically.
And we're still just talking, every bad guy is Hitler.
Everything is fascism.
Everything is forever 1939 or 1933 or 1945.
We're just using everything.
When they do a plan for somebody overseas, it's a, it's another Marshall plan because nobody else has any other way to look at these types of things.
Everything is Biden is a good representative of this in many ways because he's just so palpably exhausted and so cadaverous and There's there's no Energy to it anymore.
Nobody believes that this is going to lead to anything good Nobody believes that there's some utopia waiting around the corner.
Everybody understands we're on the downswing it's just at this point what's keeping it going is basically spike basically the fury that If we give up on this illusion, then the people we hate so much will have been proven right, and so therefore we're just not going to let you do that.
And I think they see Trump, even though Trump is, what is he, a couple years younger than Biden?
Not much.
Even now, even though he doesn't quite have the juice he had in 2015-2016 in terms of his energy and in terms of his mental acuity, he just has a different energy than Biden.
And It'll be interesting to see in this debate.
I mean, I think that the Republicans are setting themselves up for defeat if they expect Biden to be in there and just basically be senile.
I mean, they'll pump him up with whatever they got to pump him up to for him to get through this.
He'll memorize some lines.
I think he might actually be a bit quicker than people give him the credit for.
But at the end of the day, I mean, everybody knows this guy has essentially checked out.
And he's calling the lid on it, as they put it, at like three in the afternoon most days.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could do that?
Trump is not.
Trump is running all over the place campaigning, even while fighting this legal case and doing a million other things.
And Trump still has something more there.
It's not just New York that he's dealing with.
Yeah, Georgia too.
I think there's a case in Florida.
I mean, is there one in Washington?
I mean, you think back to everything that this guy has faced.
And, you know, again, a lot of our listeners are probably laughing that we're going to bring this up.
But you think about what happened when Bill Clinton came into office and his net worth and then what happened afterwards, where he can command six figures per speech anywhere he goes before a corporation, etc., etc.
Same thing with Barack Obama, just writing a couple books, getting these deals.
I think he got a big deal with Sirius for him and Michelle to have a podcast or maybe a show on Netflix.
I don't remember exactly what it was, but how their net worths just grew astronomically, an order of magnitude.
And then you think about Donald Trump and, I mean, let's face it.
I mean, he's faced more failures since he's been president since Trump's stakes.
I mean, I never had a Trump steak.
I wish I would have had one.
It probably would have been pretty good, you know, I imagine.
But the point is, this guy is sacrificed, like, and you can't question his love for a country that no longer exists.
I think that's the saddest thing.
And I think that's something that the Trump, his inner circle, his sons, and, you know, everybody has this, has the running meme of his son Barron, you know, understanding what's happened to his dad.
You know, again, if I were Barron, I'd be like, hey, can I go to my mom's country and never look back?
and never worry about caring about America again. I forgot where she's from. Is it Slovakia or
whatever where she's from? But it's just like, you know, the United States is just so hostile.
You know, it's so anti-white that we don't want to think about it. You know, this past week,
Stephen Miller, no, a friend of ours, a mutual friend of ours. Oh my gosh, who's the guy who
used to run, who was at LI? Oh my gosh, James, what's his name?
Why am I blanking?
James O'Keefe?
James O'Keefe, who they, they were able to get someone at Disney.
Oh yeah, talking about- To admit- Great replacement, essentially, is true.
They're not going to hire any white people.
And it's like, guys, this is not just Disney.
This is every corporation.
This is every locale.
And it's the law.
I mean, there's, it doesn't change until you go after the law.
I mean, this is sort of the hope with Trump.
I mean, let's go through best case and worst case.
The best case scenario is that Trump gets some smart, detail-oriented people in there who are going to focus on what you can do in the bureaucracy and in the regulatory state, who actually may even use civil rights laws sort of against their intent, obey the letter of the law, if not the spirit of the law, to protect whites.
And you actually start going after these companies, you start shutting down these programs, you start attacking them on equal protection grounds.
Jeff Sessions.
you can actually open up space for the kinds of things that we want.
This is all very possible.
This would be quite a departure from 2015, 2016, and you would see the media put pressure
on these particular employees, and Trump would have to be counted on not to cock on these
things as he did with Flynn and with Bannon and a few others.
But it is possible.
And Jeff Sessions.
And Jeff Sessions.
Jeff Sessions is probably the most important.
The worst case scenario, and this is where, let me give the devil's advocate for not voting
Trump.
Forget the ideological disagreements on, say, foreign policy or immigration.
Forget even that he's just not the same candidate that he was in 2015-2016.
You could say, well, what has actually been gained?
You could say what has been gained is this.
Since 2020, would you agree that wokeness, if not quite put away, has been rolled back at least somewhat?
In terms of the way people talk about it.
In terms of the amount of money corporations put behind it.
In terms of what you're allowed to say on social media.
In terms of the degree of censorship.
I would say that we actually have been moving in the right direction since 2020.
And this is even reflected in the polls on certain social issues.
You could say that the conservative movement Is now echoing American Renaissance talking points on things like Martin Luther King Day in a way that they haven't said five years ago.
Whereas if Trump was in power, you'd probably have some stupid plan to try to get the Platinum Plan going again and get blacks as part of the new re-election coalition for whoever would take over after Trump.
If I could stop you real quick, Mr. Jones.
Yeah.
In one of the books about the Trump campaign of 2020, Trump knew that was dumb.
Like, there's so many things that we found out in the aftermath of the just disastrous 2020 campaign.
Again, a lot was going on with me personally at the time, so I wasn't really paying attention to everything that was happening.
You know, General Milley, everything that he did to sabotage Trump, what he wanted to have with Stephen Miller to declare the Insurrection Act in May of 2020, when they were—again, Antifa were literally trying to break into the White House.
He was taken to the bunker, ladies and gentlemen.
Listen to this.
Miller and Trump are having massive arguments with the joint chiefs of staff to the point
where they realized the military was no longer on the side of the commander in chief.
And that's why you had that one special force group brought in that answered directly to
Trump.
There's that famous picture of this badass looking white dude with a backwards hat carrying
That's when some sort of coup happened.
through the streets of DC like, oh my God, can I just use this? We're ready to do this. Because
remember, that's when they did that famous moment where they were trying to tear down
the Jackson Monument and Trump went with the Bible to that one church they tried to burn.
That's when the country was done. That's when some sort of coup happened. Trump has said that,
hey, listen, this platinum plan that my son-in-law is trying to push is not going to work.
These people aren't going to vote for me.
There's so many, Peter Brimlow, I've talked about this so many times, because Brimlow listens to all these, all these inane election books that came out where people are talking about, you know, what was going on behind the scenes.
I think that Trump instinctively gets it, but at the same time, like you've said, and I think it's so important to point out, he still wants the notoriety and he still desires to be Lauded by the New York Times and the Washington Post.
And one of the things that we have to quickly bring up is what's happening in the Washington Post, where Jeff Bezos has lost control.
You know, he bought that because Jeff Bezos wanted to have a seat at the table.
He wanted to have a seat of complete authority and to own the, you know, arguably the number two paper in the world.
And now you basically have it's it's been cut significantly in its value.
He's actually looking to sell it, Mr. Hood.
And the Washington Post.
He cut his losses because you have so many people rebelling against this institutional battle of wokeness.
They're realizing, hey, this isn't working.
We're losing subscription.
You editors are pushing the most.
You guys are even more insane than Kathleen Kennedy and the writers at Star Wars and Indiana Jones and what's happening.
The marketplace doesn't want this.
At the end, where we're headed, this isn't good for the bottom line, and Bezos is looking to sell the Washington Post.
I mean, there are so many things happening, and that's one of the things that, if you remember the first V-Day conference back in 2022, I gave a talk about how there are moments when the world is ready to change, and it's up to the right people to say the right things.
That's a quote from Ender's Game, a great book by a great Mormon writer, Orson Scott Card, who I love because he's been so Uh, has so much animosity toward the gay agenda, which he got canceled for, which I love.
God, I love people who stand up against the true tyrants.
But Musk has done his job, man.
I mean, let's face it, you know, Twitter is allowing everything of Jared Taylor's to be up there, except Jared will never be back aloud on AR, I'm sorry, on Twitter because of the lawsuit.
Because of the lawsuit.
That's exactly it.
And people need to realize that and get over it.
His speeches are not taken down.
AR is not blocked anymore.
You can see anything of Jared's now on Twitter.
And that is so powerful.
That's so amazing, because there is no censorship of any of his podcasts, any of his videos, any of the articles.
I mean, you've amassed an amazing audience.
Steve Saylor has amassed an amazing audience.
There are so many people pushing our ideas.
And the most important thing is that I don't want to go back.
Nick has like what, 330,000?
Alex Jones is on there.
You know, a lot of people that you and I know intimately that, again, we don't want to talk about, but it goes back to something that we learned a long time ago from Morton Blackwell, personnel is policy.
And fundamentally, that is going to be the question of 2024.
I believe Trump will win.
The question is, Who will he bring on board?
And that is, as you've already kind of done this little tease, kind of a little pro wrestling tease, who's going to come out and be that third man from the NWO back in 1996 when Hogan came out and dropped the leg on Randy Savage and he was the third man.
Who's going to be his VP pick?
And I mean, it's probably, I mean, we should talk about that for the remaining 15 minutes or so.
I think the governor of North Dakota might be who it is, Burgum.
Uh, who was ran for president, did not really get much traction, but didn't annoy anybody.
And he probably ran for the deliberate attempt to get attention to him, to himself, uh, for Trump.
He never really attacked Trump.
Now the, the argument for him is he's rich.
Um, so he can cut some checks to the campaign, which I think Trump would be looking for.
He is not particularly objectionable to any faction of the GOP.
He.
It's not that he brings any states in that he wouldn't otherwise get.
It's not like Trump is going to lose the Dakotas.
But I think there's sort of a technocratic, because he's a software guy, there's like a technocratic element to him that might help.
And he's also an energy guy.
So you could imagine him having sort of a Cheney-like role, at least in terms of domestic policy.
And while some of these constituencies were traditionally big Republican donors to be brought in, To the fault.
I think the dark horse candidate is Youngkin of Virginia, Governor Youngkin, because the argument there is if you take Virginia, you win.
And Virginia, depending on which polls you believe, and I do not share your confidence vis-a-vis Trump.
I mean, I still... That's fine.
You did not back in 2016 either until even election night when we drove into the Trump Yeah, yeah.
Well, no, I mean, I thought he was sunk after I thought he was sunk after the Access Hollywood thing.
I only changed my mind and came around when I got calls from people up in Michigan saying he's going to win Michigan.
And that made me think that he might be able to pull this off after all.
But that's neither here nor there.
The point is, I mean, certainly I remember like people in 2020, like I always got this in the bag and then the red wave in 2022.
I just I feel like the complacency and the optimism has just been Exposed time and time again, but that's not a here and a there.
If he can get, depending on which polls you believe, if he has Yunkin, Yunkin could conceivably deliver Virginia and Yunkin could also, I could imagine some swing voters out there being like, well, Trump is old and we'll let these MAGA guys get what they want and they'll get the emotional high on election night.
But in the end, Yunkin is going to be president and he will govern as kind of a pragmatic, Normie Republican from the good old days, i.e.
the days of McCain and Romney, and therefore we'll get what we want.
I could see that happening.
In terms of like the most voters who could be brought in, it would probably be Yankin.
Now, other candidates who are being tossed around, Tim Scott, I don't see happening just because... No chance.
Who does he bring in?
Like, okay, even imagine that he brings in What, an extra 10% of the black vote?
I mean, the brutal truth of the black vote is that they're in places that, other than, I guess, Pennsylvania and Michigan, maybe would make a difference there, but, like, they really don't matter.
Electorally.
The guys who he needs to bring in are either suburban swing voters or white working class voters.
He needs to dramatically increase his majority there, or win back some of the swing voters and donors.
Mr. Hood, you know, he won't bring in, and I've got so many personal anecdotes from friends who know Brian Kemp.
He'll never do that.
Oh, Kemp?
Forget it, yeah.
I know, I know.
But remember back in 2018, that was one of the most contentious elections between Stacey Abrams and Brian Kemp.
That's when people realized the Georgia Demographic change from Georgia being 72% white in 1990 to being almost a plurality of about 52% white, and you had to get 80% of the white vote.
And you looked at all the exit polls that show college-educated whites, non-college-educated whites, and you realize, oh my gosh, democracy really is just a racial headcount in a multiracial society.
And then of course, look what Brian Kemp did in 2022.
He resoundedly defeated Stacey Abrams to a point that basically her political career is done.
She'll just be writing romantic novels and having whimsical pictures.
Well, children's books too.
Go to Walmart and go to the children's books and you'll see books for Stacey Abrams, by Stacey Abrams, being targeted at your kids.
Well, when I go to Walmart, the only thing I'm looking at is the $5 DVD bin to figure out what Patrick Swayze Yeah, which then becomes like a future view from the right episode.
Actually, you talk about this thing at Walmart.
Real quick, fun story.
The other day at Walmart, actually, I looked at the $5 DVD bin and right there staring back at me was a copy of The late Roddy Piper's They Live.
And I was like, you know what?
This is pretty cool.
Like it's it's like, you know, life is, you know, that that's such a movie that it might be worth talking about one day because it's such a great movie.
Dude, it's about the capitalists, man.
Like, I don't understand these other.
It's all about capitalism.
No, it's not.
I know that.
The guy who made the movie doesn't know that, but that's neither here nor there.
No, but it's other other VP candidates we should look at.
I don't think it's going to be Scott.
I don't think he brings enough to the table.
J.D.
Vance is another one who I think you would you would be.
To be objective about it, he could bring in he's probably the most direct as far as like what MAGA means now, as opposed to what it meant 2015, 2016.
Keep in mind, Vance was originally a never Trumper.
Yeah, he thought he said Trump was a rapist.
He said he was a racist.
He said he was all sorts of terrible things.
So, you know, in terms of loyalty, it's not, it's not all there in terms of who he would bring in.
If you say like, well, the Rust Belt and factory workers and stuff, but I mean, at the end of the day, he's, he's from a state that Trump is going to win comfortably.
It's amazing that Ohio, by the way, has become like the... Well, Iowa too.
I mean, Iowa, you remember Iowa, it was a big deal if the Republicans could win Iowa.
Now it's nothing.
But of course, you know, it comes with the fact of losing a state like Colorado, which used to be, I mean, that was Tancredo's state.
Tancredo almost became governor running as a third party candidate.
That wasn't that long ago.
I was actually at his party that night in 2010.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, that was fascinating.
It was not.
I mean, the GOP threw that one.
I mean, they threw that election because they just hated him that much.
They would rather be irrelevant forever than let a guy who wasn't fully under control win.
Of course, family didn't go with him.
I mean, that's the problem.
Colorado was still a right-wing state before the transformation of that state with the massive increase in the Hispanic population.
And also legal weed.
God, it's, you know, there's nothing more than a hate than drugs.
And it's, it's, uh, you know, if you've ever been to Denver, you're seeing all these articles now.
I mean, Washington state just basically rescinded all of their drug policies because of how bad things are.
They're going back and all this stuff.
I mean, I was, yeah, my residual libertarianism was basically, well, it was, it was the harm.
It's like, no, I mean, it's not the same stuff that it was 40 years ago.
Hey, but also people have proven, you know, Freedom failed, as I often say.
I mean, they don't—you can't—there are certain things you just can't allow people to do because they will choose the wrong thing.
I mean, Calvin was right.
Human beings are totally depraved, and they can't do good things except by accident.
And if you give people the opportunity to do this kind of stuff, they're just gonna— Metaphorically, blow their brains out with drugs that give them schizophrenia within the span of like two years.
I mean, this is a nightmare.
And the fact that all of these liberal cities and states are essentially undoing this stuff they just did a couple years ago, because they're saying, oh man, like this was a terrible plan, tells you something.
That said, you still see the way these places are kind of multiplying.
I think that Kratom shops and smoke shops are sort of what Turkish barbers are in Great Britain.
Whether they just kind of come out of nowhere and you're not sure necessarily how they're supporting themselves and you kind of get the feeling that there's some weird like money laundering thing going on.
But it's not the kind of thing you're going to dedicate your life to trying to uncover.
But there's definitely this sort of gray economy that's been spawned by drug legalization.
It has political changes, too, because as we've as we've said, I mean, it helps push these once red states into the blue column.
I don't think, to get back to the VPs, I don't think Vance really brings anybody to Trump who he wouldn't otherwise get.
I mean, does Vance bring in Pennsylvania?
Does Vance bring in Wisconsin?
Maybe on the margins, but I don't think really.
I mean, he's not... No, the guy who does... I mean, at the end of the day, he's not...
Like, okay, he comes from Appalachia, but he just doesn't, the way he looks, the way he talks, his personality, where he was educated, his family, I mean, he's just, he doesn't have that sense of being A working class hero.
Stay as senator, run for governor.
The guy that I like right now the most is the AG of Missouri.
You know, it's fascinating to think Missouri... Yeah, but he's not going to... No, he's not.
He's not.
But that's what we want.
We want AGs who are going to go to war.
And he just filed a brief against Letitia James, against what they're doing to Trump.
And I'll tell you, here's who I want to be the vice president.
And you can tell me I'm wrong.
Again, we're not advocating the New Century Foundation.
It's just you and I just talking, spitballing back and forth.
I want Ron DeSantis.
I know that sounds crazy, but I think DeSantis does actually—he ran the most disastrous campaign in the history of political elections for president that you can imagine, because he listened to the consultants.
And he has had the greatest battle against woke.
And he's been single-handedly one of the people who has brought the idea that these people are against you and your family.
And I think that's what people want, results.
You know, you and I live in a world where we're paying more attention, and that's something that I tell everyone all the time.
Like, I read a lot.
I read a lot of books, and I can instinctively remember all the stories that people tell, whether they're athletes or politicians.
Most people don't do that, Mr. Hood.
Most people, when they listen to a podcast and these same people who have already, you've already interacted with their stories in their books, you're like, oh yeah, I know that already.
But they tell the same story over and over again because they know that the audience might be new and they've never heard a story about some of their interactions with famous celebrities.
And I think the thing about DeSantis that he brings, he has victories.
He has scalps, so to speak.
And I think that that is, you have to have somebody who comes after Trump.
And to me, that is Ron DeSantis for all of his faults, whatever they are.
The fact is, he's been an amazing executive for the state of Florida.
Florida is resoundingly red now.
And it's more racially diverse than Georgia.
And yet, you've got a state that is rabidly Um, on the side of the GOP.
And I think Trump to Santas, I think he's the kind of guy who with his wife and her
story of her battling cancer, their three young babies, the three young children, you've
got to find a way to captivate the, you know, the white female vote, the white college educated
vote and to just talk about what it means to create tax credits and for families.
And I think looking at what Hungary's done, I do want to see that type of stuff in the
country because I think that's the beautiful thing about Musk.
I think he just got outed as having another child with with an executive with was it with
Tesla or with I can't remember what organization is.
I think Trump, I think Musk has like 12 kids now and he's a champion of fecundity and fertility.
And I think that you want that.
I think you want optimism.
I remember one time I told you a joke.
It was a joke, but it was in 2015 or 2016.
And I said, wouldn't it be great if Melania was pregnant as Trump's running?
And it's like because that's what you want people to see that, hey, listen, we've got a stake in the game.
And everyone always talks about the the leaders of Europe and how most of them have no kids.
You know, Macron and the former chancellor of Germany and all these other just childless, you know, jackals.
And it's like, you know, the future is those who are willing to accept that they have a responsibility to create life now and protect that life for their posterity.
That, to me, is the most important line of our founding fathers for our posterity.
And I think that's what we have to see.
I mean, I think that all of our listeners out there, the most important thing that you can do is to have children.
You know, a good friend of mine, I sent a tweet the other day about when I went to CPAC back in 2003.
I only went because I wanted to meet a childhood hero of mine who I was corresponding with, The Ultimate Warrior.
And then I actually emailed Jared Taylor and I went out to his house and he goes, hey, don't you want to meet all these great conservatives?
I'm like, no, these people don't matter to me.
You matter to me.
This guy matters to me.
And Warrior one time told me, I said, hey, what advice would you give to people out there?
And he let out a four letter word that starts with an F and ends with a K. And he said, have kids.
That's it.
Like, that's your duty.
Like, have children.
Because once you have children, All of your life changes.
You know, I have two kids, you have two kids, and that is our duty.
And so my belief is that somebody who can take the baton from Trump, and DeSantis has
a great legacy to stand on because he stood up to the- There's no way he's going to-
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
But the point is, I want, you know, he's still very popular in the state of Florida, and
he, I think, would resonate with people all in the Midwestern states because he's kind
to get that folksy.
I don't know.
I mean, like if he had any charm, if he had that kind of appeal, it would have shown during the primary.
And I mean, he he was like the favorite for a short time and he just sank.
I mean, he was like the archetypal lead balloon when it comes to his following.
I mean, I just don't think the charisma is there.
I mean, he's a he's a competent administrator.
But I just don't think he has the chops to be president.
He just doesn't have that it factor.
But we'll see.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets brought in for something in the cabinet, maybe, although he may be biding his time to be the guy in 2028.
I mean, it would have been a lot better for him, obviously, had he not run.
One thing that we should bring up, too, is Haley.
Because Haley endorsed Trump after remaining aloof for a very long time and getting a lot of people excited about the idea that she would refuse to endorse.
She ultimately did endorse him, probably over foreign policy, probably over Israel.
That was that seems to be what pushed her toward Trump because they fundamentally agree on foreign policy and Trump for his part has said she would be a part of the team.
Maybe that being Secretary of State.
Maybe that means something.
I mean, it's going to have to be a step up from ambassador to the UN.
So I mean, there's only so many things that it could be.
The problem there is not just in terms of the Middle East, but it also then means you're committed to the Continuing war in Ukraine, which will I mean there's doesn't seem to be any end in sight.
We just cut checks forever and There also doesn't seem to be any kind of nod to the Non-interventionism that I think got so many at least the rhetorical non-interventionism I got so many excited so many people excited back in 2015 2016 I mean one of the things that really shook people up during the first campaign was how he openly attacked the Iraq war and And said these things were a disaster and destroyed the Bush dynasty forever.
Now we're in a very different place.
Now he is a party guy.
Now he fundamentally, and this is a quote, he says, I'm all about the party now.
So.
Are we going to get any kind of real separation in terms of foreign policy?
Probably not.
It may be a return to the battle days of the neoconservatives when it comes to foreign policy.
The question then becomes, do you trade, not trade, but do you accept that as the price for getting some victories over the left domestically and for potentially some dramatic gains when it comes to immigration enforcement?
That's essentially the stakes.
That's essentially the question that's put before us in 2024.
And the fact that the Trump campaign has now openly spoken against Anti-white discrimination, which is something that would have been unthinkable even 15 years ago.
With that, I think that's kind of where I want to wrap it up, but Paul, I'll let you have the last word.
I fundamentally think that the case for Trump is not so much, he's so great, but we already ran the experiment in 2020.
And I don't think the dissonant right, the alt-right, whatever you want to call it, Gained anything concrete as a result of Trump losing If someone but this is not meant to just be rhetorical if somebody in the comments or somebody somewhere else says no No, this is specifically what was gained.
I'd love to hear it, but I don't see it So, with that, Paul, I'll let you have the last word.
Yeah, Trump was always the bridge to the next era of Western civilization.
He just stumbled into a lot of these talking points that so many people on the right, like Ann Coulter, and that's one of the reasons why she's still so mad.
I would still love to know about their shouting match in the Oval Office, what actually took place.
But it was her book, Adios America, that in a lot of ways motivated Trump that we know of.
And I would say this, one of the most important polls that we've seen come out recently was on April 25th.
It was Axios pointed out that Americans are warming to the idea of mass deportations.
It's not just Republicans, but it's Democrats as well.
And I think that's the bellwether.
There is an appetite.
People understand that something is fundamentally wrong.
And the Democrats have no solutions to it because they are They're OK with the border being wide open.
They're OK with all these flights of illegal aliens while Americans are forced to go through TSA.
Illegal aliens are allowed to fly all across the country and resettled for, I think, the sole purpose of trying to gain some sort of citizenship to vote.
You know, who knows what's going to happen?
My point is this.
We are stuck with Trump, whether you like it or not.
And it's not a write or die situation.
It is basically a let's get through 2024.
Let's get to a point where Whether we want to think 2020 was stolen or not, let's make it so that 2024 is a victory.
Again, we don't have the electorate that we had in 1972 when Nixon won 49 states.
We're no longer that white country, but we're not fully dispossessed yet, because guess what?
There are still so many white people who understand, like you just said, That there is an anti-white animus motivating the left and motivating our elite, the managerial elite, and that there's a pushback against that.
And that, Mr. Hood, that's the white pill to understand that at some point, at some point, there is going to be the person to come along and they're going to realize this is the route to victory.
And I think that has to be what motivates us, because again, who would have ever thought Republicans would be talking about an anti-white agenda?
Even five years ago, because you and I have talked about this, Tulsi Gabbard was one of the first politicians who I think is maybe what, 25% white, 30% white, who even brought up the idea of anti-whiteness being a part of the zeitgeist.
So here's where we are now.
There's a lot of black pills out there, but I think there are enough white pills to realize There's a reason why American Resonance was founded.
There's a reason why so many people still care about this stuff and haven't given up.
Because things could change so quickly.
It's just about having the imagination and the drive and the commitment and the constitution to implement that.
And I think that's what scares the left more than anything.
And that's why they that's why they fantasize about being thrown in camps.
Because you know what?
We know what they want to do to us.
We know what they want to do to Trump.
Yeah, right.
So I think that's that's a good way to put it.
That's a good way to put it.
All right.
Well, thank you, everyone, for listening.
I'm Gregory Hood.
Thank you, Paul Kersey.
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