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April 29, 2024 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Hey everyone, this is Gregory Hood.
I'm here with Paul Kersey, and we are coming to you live, you can probably hear from the murmurs in the background, at the VDARE conference at the Berkeley Springs Castle.
And we've had a number of incredible speakers so far, and the energy is very high.
But of course, you know, this is all being done under the gun of the New York State Attorney General's persecution and lawfare campaign against VDARE.com, which certainly puts a damper on things.
At the same time, I think this entire conference, the sold-out turnout, everything else, Shows the viability of the project, which may be indeed why it's being targeted.
Yeah, and Mr. Hood, pleasure to see you in person, instead of doing this over the phone, over the internet, but you're right.
I mean, you think about the castles purchased, I think, in 2019, and Lydia Briblo and Peter have done such a great job in nurturing.
Totally remodeled the place, too.
Yeah, nurturing an amazing community.
They're actually respected and loved by the community here in Berkeley Springs.
It's a lovely little town, and they poured their heart and soul.
Peter, of course, founded VDARE, what, 1999?
So this is the 25th year.
And you're right, this conference has attracted a wide variety of people.
We were just talking about John Watt, who's someone I've read for years.
His great work on More Guns, Less Crime.
He's actually now, you know, think about it, no problem showing up and associating with Yeah, it's certainly a breakthrough, and it reminds me of some of the best days of 2016, where you had the sort of right-of-center coalition that I always dreamed of, where you didn't have this constant effort to prove respectability to the enemy media, where there were no enemies to the right, more or less, and people understood that we shared a collective fate, regardless of whatever disagreements.
That's right.
Man, what did we get out of it?
The Platinum Plan?
It's funny you say that, because again, we're stuck with Trump.
Well, that's what Scott's going to be speaking on next.
We're recording this just before Scott Greer goes on, and he's going to speak about why Trump must win.
So we're eager to hear what he has to say about that.
And I agree with that.
And again, we're not endorsing any candidates.
The New Century Foundation is a not-for-profit.
We're just here opining.
I almost called him White Renegade of the Year in 2020, Trump.
Yeah, sure.
That's what I was basically prevailed upon to say instead of Trump himself.
And of course, yeah, the idea that Charlie Kirk would be coming out against the Civil Rights Act is Unimaginable, compared to when I started in politics.
What's fascinating is this, is again the coalition you talked about back in 2016, I think it's
even further right now when you think about all the great work that's been done.
We are stuck with Trump and the fact that so many people put their full weight behind
Nikki Haley, wasting all that money.
Yeah, incredible amount of money and resources wasted.
It was absolutely atrocious that now President Trump can't even go out and campaign because
of what's happened in New York.
Yeah.
I mean, we're certainly in a post-constitutional phase, but we've been that way for decades.
I mean, the question is whether we're even in a post-election phase.
That may be what November's all about.
I think you're right, because again, all that happened in 2020, we've talked about it before.
Time Magazine bragged about how The social media apparatus, the algorithms, Facebook, they all interfered.
VDare actually got kicked off of Facebook for election interference back in, I think it was April of 2020.
I was kicked off, I lost everything.
It was insane because of the amount of traffic we were driving from these stores.
The question to me about 2020 is not so much about, oh, this ballot or that ballot, whatever else.
Once you see that kind of interference with social media, once you see that coming from the government and coming from the media itself, but also coming from Democrats, The election is automatically illegitimate, because the whole premise of democracy is that people have to be able to discuss the issues.
Otherwise, what's the point?
I mean, it would be far more honest if you just had five tech CEOs and some guy from the Department of Homeland Security be like, this is the guy who's allowed to be elected, sort of the way the Soviets would have elections.
But it was like three guys from the Communist Party, all of whom were approved in advance, and then one strawman candidate.
Going back to Letitia James, you think about what power is, and I think that's the fundamental question the right has to grapple with.
If we get into a position to actually win an election, will we wield power to destroy our enemies?
I mean, what I'm afraid of, of course, is that it's just going to be more of what we saw last time.
At the risk of psycho-analyzing Donald Trump, and certainly I'm not trying to compare myself to him, like, oh, I could do it better, or whatever else, I mean, this guy's got a charisma that you only see once in a lifetime, and what he's been able to do in the face of unbelievable obstacles is remarkable.
All that said, I think that a lot of what he has done, really the story of his life, is he wants respectability, or let me rephrase that, he wants respect from the people who really run things.
Because he was never in the part.
Because he was never in the part.
And he was never, I mean he's from the outer boroughs, right?
He's never like old money.
He's not, he's always been kind of nouveau riche.
And That's what they always say about his taste and his architecture and everything else.
I mean, this is why they always sneer at him.
And he got himself elected President of the United States, and you would think that would bring you respect.
And of course, everybody just doubled down because he got respect from the wrong people.
His constituency was the wrong people.
And the campaign to destroy him actually picked up speed.
You know, Bill, let's go back.
Same is true of all his followers.
I mean, I think it's an open question.
I'm not willing to say that the answer is yes, but I think it's an open question of whether we would have
more reach online, say, more ability to operate had Hillary Clinton won.
Now, that's not to say I wanted her to win, but— You know, Bill, let's go back.
If you remember, everybody thought Hillary was going to win, and there was one person who was positioning himself to be
the new leader of the right.
This was before Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire really took off.
There was a massive profile in, I believe, The New Yorker or maybe The New York Times about Glenn Beck.
And they were positioning him.
It was a massive piece because he was very anti-Trump.
Remember, he put his face— Yeah, the Cheetos and all that.
The Cheetos.
I want to say, was he one of the individuals who did the Never Trumper article for the National Review?
Yeah, I think he was one of the signatories on that.
He was basically trying to create a...
Which is amazing, the idea of Glenn Beck and National Review.
Yeah, he was trying to sanitize the Republican Party and conservatism for the post-Trump era when Trump had lost.
Because they were hedging their bets that, okay, this guy's going to lose, but there's a fire that this guy started.
Yeah, we can take this kind of populist energy and we can re-channel it into a safe path where we talk about tax cuts.
Tea Party 2.0 basically.
No, we're past that.
2.0 basically.
And unfortunately, well no fortunately, that's never going to happen again.
No, we're past that.
And if he does lose or however you want to interpret that, stolen, whatever, people just
aren't going to sit down with it.
They're not going to accept it.
They're not going to say, well, we gave it our best shot and that's it.
He didn't cross the Rubicon, but I think the Trump constituency has crossed the Rubicon in a very important way.
That's a very important one.
Yeah, and I think that the real question is who becomes the heir, whether he wins or loses.
Certainly, we're all paying attention to whoever he'll pick for vice president, and that's an open question.
I don't really have any good predictions on that, because every time I see somebody leaning in a certain direction, then you get a news thing.
I mean, Kristi Noem, I think, destroyed her candidacy with her.
I don't know why she thought it was a good idea to talk about how she killed a puppy.
That's the end of that.
Trump can joke about killing someone on Fifth Avenue.
Nobody else can.
But yeah, she's talking about killing a puppy.
No, I'm not really interested in that.
Well, that's an open question, though, is how much of this is, because Richard Nonia and some other people have talked about it.
I think Scott, too.
So much of it is linked to Trump as a person, and certainly you have contradictory policy impulses that are united in him.
Israel would be one of the leading examples, where basically the people who are the most anti-Israel and the most pro-Israel are both supporting Trump.
And there are plenty of other examples like that.
You could even say that with some of the economic policies.
And even on some of the racial policies, I mean, what's interesting about Trump is Trump did what George W. Bush only talked about in terms of winning a larger share of the Hispanic vote.
I mean, it was Trump who brought these guys in, not Bush.
And he even got, I mean, we'll wait and see, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually gets a larger share of the African American vote than many people would think.
No, it's funny, going back to what you're talking about, thinking about 2016 and what happened for him to win Wisconsin and for him to win Pennsylvania in 2020, Ann Coulter put it best, he lost the white working class vote.
Yeah, and that's what Biden brings to the table, which Kamala Harris does not.
And if you look at the way the polls are shaping up now, Biden is winning more of those types of voters Then Trump can afford to lose.
If the polls hold up on that, Trump will lose.
I don't care what these other polls are saying.
I mean, there's been so many ridiculous outliers.
A lot of these outliers, oddly enough, are just massively overstating Trump's support among minority voters.
And I think the reason for that is because the sample sizes are so small.
Well, and going back real quick to the Electoral College and what happened in 2016 versus 2020, again, it really comes down to, what, six states?
Yeah.
Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.
It's insane.
It's insane that everybody's not just focused on that.
Michigan.
Yeah.
And that's the only state.
That's the only states that matter.
That's where all the money should be.
It doesn't matter if you increase the black vote in Alabama.
It could be 50%.
Who cares?
It's about these states.
Just simply go there.
And, of course, I don't even know what Trump is actually in court for right now.
Which case is it?
I think it's the Stormy Daniels.
We should talk about more with this specifically, but one last thing with Trump, just because it feeds into what we're dealing with here.
The case is essentially that he didn't use campaign money for this hush money, if you want to call it that.
So essentially, doing the non-corrupt thing is what he's getting in trouble for.
And a lot of it is dependent on guys like Michael Cohen, who flipped on him after getting in trouble with something else.
I mean, it's very much like this.
We're just throwing everything in the wall to see what it sticks.
Now, you could argue that this is what's happened to the Vidaire Castle.
I think Peter Bradley has a piece up at American Renaissance right now, going into the campaign against Vidaire.
And certainly, I think the real giveaway to the entire campaign is that it started with An investigation that came out of the Civil Rights Division and the Hate Crime Prevention Unit, which to me, just sort of, like, what else is there even to talk about?
Like, we already know this is all nonsense.
And you could certainly, if this is going to be a thing, there's no reason that Republican Attorney Generals couldn't just instantly shut down every single left-wing NGO in their state.
I mean, you could do it overnight.
And yet, we sort of know that this just won't happen.
There's no chance of this happening.
I mean, certainly if you look at what's happening on campuses like in Texas or in Florida, I mean, they clearly can do stuff when they feel like doing stuff.
They just don't want to do it when it comes to this other stuff.
And this kind of gets to the problem with the right is that we've, online certainly, people are getting, I think, a lot more mature about what power is.
You have a lot more talk about Carl Schmitt, James Burnham.
It's really sad to think that San Francisco passed away in 2005.
This is principalities and power, but I was thinking about Pat Buchanan.
on consensus that even public opinion is dictated, but there is no signal whatsoever that this
has penetrated among people who matter, Republican elected officials.
It's really sad to think that Sam Ferencz has passed away in 2005.
Oh, this is totally his moment.
This is the principalities in power, but I was thinking about Pat Buchanan.
I just reread that great article from 2017 that Politico did.
The ideas made it, but I didn't.
And think about all that has really happened with the right.
You know, Pat Buchanan, death of the West, suicide of superpower.
You know, Pat Buchanan asked the question in his last book, will America survive to 2025?
And it's fascinating.
Here we are in the lead up to that year.
Yeah, Civil War is like the number one movie in the country.
Well, the Civil War was the number one movie in blue states.
I had no desire to stay.
No, I don't.
I mean, I might see it because I have to I want to write something not so much about the movie, but just the discourse surrounding it, because it's interesting in the sense that the parties now, when you look at the actual policies, they're not that distinct.
They're not actually doing anything that really opposes each other.
It's the constituencies that are diametrically opposed to each other.
It's Democratic voters and Republican voters who are at each other's throats.
I mean, meanwhile, you got Chuck Schumer, Mike Johnson.
I mean, these types of guys are not It's really that adversarial.
And they just got together to pass their big foreign policy bill and everything else.
Johnson is being hailed by like the New York Times and all this stuff.
Oh, you know, he's the Churchill of our time and everything else.
I mean, there really is not much of a division.
And I mean, depending on who you believe, Trump even supported these bills that just got passed.
And so if you're like, well, Trump is going to overturn the system and it's like, well, is he?
I mean, because he just backed this thing that has a huge percentage of his base upset.
But we have to be cautious when we think about what the base is.
The types of people who are being spoken to at this conference and the types of people
who are going to be reading about it and watching the live streams and watching the replays
are not really representative of the rank and file Republican politicians, but they
may be becoming increasingly representative of the Republican base.
Certainly, the way the VDR Castle has been welcomed by the community here in Berkeley Springs is a good indication of that.
Certainly on the local level you see it happening quite a bit.
And I don't think that the reckoning with the larger GOP can be delayed for that much longer.
I mean, certainly the smart money all lined up behind other candidates this time, and there basically was no primary.
Yeah.
I mean, when you think of where Trump was in January 2021, the fact that he was able to just cruise to the nomination with barely a speed bump is remarkable.
Yeah, you know, it's funny you just brought all that up because you asked a question that I think is on the tip of everyone's tongue.
What comes after Trump, though?
You know, because we've seen the entire state.
I think you said this on a phone call when we were talking about how the establishment, the military industrial complex, the security state, whatever, They mortgaged everything to try and stop Trump.
Including a huge amount of credibility.
Exactly.
And that's not coming back.
No.
You think about the people who gravitated toward Washington on January 6, 2021.
Normal people came.
I was not there.
I was not there.
I mean, in many ways, it was the people who were Let's just say it, you know, the alt-right of like 26, they were not there when they were six.
I mean, you could argue that many, many of us were not there precisely because we sort of like knew that like, wait a minute, like this is how it's going to go down.
It was normal people who still like believed in the system in a way.
It's actually astonishing when I talk to people and they're like, oh yeah, my parents were there.
Yeah, you hear that all the time.
They just went, they just went to hear the speech.
You never hear it among Our people are the people we know well or anything like that.
It's always like some guy you meet at a bar or something like that.
Like, oh yeah, I was there.
There's people who like own like a donut shop.
Yeah, right.
And they were there, they put photos on Facebook and then, of course, they get doxxed.
Yeah, right.
And then I actually knew someone, I know someone whose parents, they were doxxed for going and they own a donut shop and they were getting calls from all across the country.
See, that's the marketing strategy going forward.
I mean, she'll be governor.
See, that's the marketing strategy going forward.
What it shows though is there's still, you know, we can be black-pilled on America, on
the current state with what's happening with Letitia James, who again...
I mean she'll be governor.
It's like from her point of view it's probably the smartest thing to do.
I'm actually surprised she hasn't run.
What are her ambitions?
It's going to be fascinating because she took down the NRA.
The NRA is not going to be, it will never be what it was.
I'm actually shocked they still have that facility off of 66 up in Northern Virginia.
If the Democrats won in Virginia, that'll be the end of that too.
I mean, if you look at what's happening, I mean, this is really the heart of the problem is that if politics is about friend and enemy, us and them, the Democrats, they're not talking about this in their journals so much.
And maybe this is why they're able to do it.
It's because they're They're less clear-eyed about what things are because they believe their own propaganda, because they're high on their own supply.
That's why they can just crush these things left and right, throw the Constitution out the window, throw due process out the window, and remain blissfully unaware of what it is they're doing, and say it's all in the name of saving democracy and the rule of law.
I mean, for example, let's talk about Virginia, where just about every Confederate museum or Southern heritage thing is going to get shut down because the Democrats are just like, nope, we're just going to get rid of the non-profit thing.
And it's like, well, it really doesn't have anything to do with politics.
Nope, too bad.
We're just going to get rid of it.
And of course, you know, you get these few little Republicans who are like, well, I don't want to be divisive, so I'll vote with it.
You're always going to get those types.
You never see that among Democrats.
You never see one defector.
I mean, since what, the days of Zell Miller or one of these guys?
I mean, like, these things just don't happen.
They're monolithic.
And to challenge one of the people who's going to speak tonight, Steve Saylor, I remember Steve Saylor wrote a column.
A few years ago, where he talked about the Republican Party as almost like a phalanx because its coalition, its constituency, is relatively united of middle-class whites.
But that actually doesn't seem to be how it is.
The Democrats are more united.
They're the ones who maneuver with a single-minded focus precisely because they're diverse.
Precisely because the only thing that unites them is a hatred for the shared white enemy.
Insofar as our divisions, it's just about whether who counts as a white enemy.
That seems to be the only real fracture in the Democrats right now.
But I don't want to go down a tangent about the protests that you're seeing on campuses and stuff, but on another level, I don't even think that This heralds a fracture in the Democrats, because I can pretty much guarantee you that everyone on both sides of these anti-Israel campus protests are going to vote for Biden.
Both sides, 100%.
Nobody's going to vote for West.
They're not going to stay home.
Zoomers who are mad about TikTok are not going to be like, oh, I'm going to send a message.
No, they're going to go out and they're going to pull the thing for Biden.
Just like the Bernie bros who saw their primary get stolen from him in 2016, side lined up, voted for Biden.
Or voted for Hillary, in that case.
What year was it when he was giving a speech and the Black Lives Matter people came on stage?
Bernie?
Yeah.
That was 16, I think.
Yeah.
I mean, that was sort of the end of the old left.
The idea that, oh, actually, we're going to build a movement for ordinary people, for high wages, and whatever.
And there were still, like, the occasional flirtatious clients with immigration control because you want a tight labor market.
Nobody cares about any of that anymore.
No, no.
It's just 100% racial issues.
All the guys who came out of it, the so-called Dirtbag Left, all the podcasters, you know, the Hasan Pikers of the world who still want to fight Sam Hyde, all these other people... Fight him!
Yeah, fight him, you coward, spiritual woman, you.
None of these people care about economics.
None of them understand it.
None of them want to understand it.
None of them care about the environment, not really.
They don't want to solve the climate crisis or any of these things, even if they believe it's a real thing.
It's 100% on race.
It's 100% just driven by racial grievance.
And the only question is who counts as oppressor and who counts as oppressed.
And that's it.
Whereas Republicans are still sort of bumbling, at least among elected officials, they're just kind of like bumbling around, thinking they're being clever by aligning with this constituency or that constituency that they think is going to help them even though they won't.
They're having these discussions about basically being acceptable, but there's no sense of like moving the ball forward.
But then again, at a conference like this, and certainly online, and certainly among grassroots activists, there does seem to be an effort to talk about what it means to move the ball forward.
There does seem to be an idea that like, yeah, we're entering a different phase of politics.
And I'm not particularly interested in what, you know, the Heritage Foundation has to say about things.
Well, what's fascinating as we're doing this podcast on April 27th... It's a huge crowd and you can hear people like talking everywhere here.
People keep coming in.
Again, the attendance was capped because there's only so many spaces and there was, it sold out immediately.
and talk about going back to that Pat Buchanan quote, my idea's won, I didn't.
You know, it's that sad story, because Pat Buchanan, you know, he hung up his pen,
I want to say two years ago?
He stopped writing.
This is one of the things with Pat Buchanan, is every once in a while,
I mean this is true of Ian Oc Powell too, every once in a while somebody will say like,
well Trump is great, but you know, he's so vulgar, and he's so uneducated,
and he's not principled, and he's not personally religious.
Why can't we have somebody who's like a good Christian, who's educated, who's dedicated?
And it was a long history of conservative activism.
And I'd be like, well, we had that guy.
His name was Pat Buchanan.
And every single, the entire, forget the establishment, the entire conservative movement went to war with him.
And said that he needs to be destroyed, and he needs to not talk to anybody.
Like, you had that guy.
Well, going back to this week on Tuesday, He published a book called The Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart.
I'll definitely be viewing that pretty soon.
Yeah, I've got the PDF up right now.
He's gone on Steve Bannon's show, and they're talking about anti-whiteness.
Now, those two words were never uttered.
That was no right French thing, even in 2016.
Yeah, exactly.
And the first person that was an elected official who brought that up was Tulsi Gabbard.
She says, I don't remember what it was, but she calls something anti-white.
I wouldn't be too upset if she became the VP.
president in office who is being attacked as racist. I wouldn't be too upset if she
became the VP. I think she's fantastic. I think she's phenomenal. But now the currency,
this is the capital that conservatives are realizing. They're being dragged to the position
because this is what their audience wants. So Jeremy Carl goes on Tucker Carlson and
they're having a very good conversation.
I recommend everyone watch Jeremy Carl's interview about his book The Unprotected Class.
But are you seeing any kind of a breakthrough on Fox News or anything like that?
I don't think, again... They're not ready for that truth.
I don't want to even analyze it.
Who watches TV anymore?
Well, the people who vote.
That's the problem.
It's older people who watch TV and they're the ones who still drive everything.
Look at our ruling class.
And at the end of the day, I mean, senior citizens vote.
And if you don't vote, you don't matter, at least in terms of elected officials.
And I think that the movement that we're seeing now, we're not going to really see the effects in the political system for another 10 years.
And the question, and I hate to be blackmailed about it, but the question is whether the numbers are even going to be there for Republicans to win even on a local level.
I mean, part of being Part of me wonders if the future of the Republican Party is not something akin to the Democratic Alliance in South Africa.
Where you basically have the ANC monolithically governing the whole country, and the DA governs the CAPE, which is the most functional part of South Africa because the demographics are different there than just about everywhere else.
But it doesn't have real power, it doesn't really do anything.
The way it positions itself is still kind of this vague civic nationalist, oh we can make things work, we're appealing to everyone, but like it doesn't actually do anything.
And occasionally there's even this flirtation with, like, Cape Independence, but, you know, I'll believe that when I
see it.
That's sort of my worst-case scenario for what the GOP is, sort of this impotent regional opposition party that isn't
even really an opposition party.
Well, in some cases, because you argue it already is, look at the people from the red estates that keep getting
elected, just how— That's one of the biggest problems we have to think about,
is that in many ways the people who come out— Just to back up for one second, it's no coincidence that a
lot of the hardest fighters in the new right, we could call it, come out of California.
That Claremont Institute has taken the ideological turn that it has in recent years that freaks out the mainstream media so much.
And that's, by the way, that Jeremy Carl is an associate of Claremont.
Yeah.
And Stephen Miller, of course, comes out of California, I believe.
Yeah.
Bannon, too.
And a lot of these guys come out of it because California was paradise and it was lost, and when you see that, it sharpens your edges somewhat.
The guys who are coming out of Oklahoma, like the people who were trying to push the amnesty and everything else, I get the feeling that the reason they run as Republicans is because they're second stringers.
They have to be in the Republican Party because that's the only way they can win.
And they despise, they despise the people who vote for them.
They're embarrassed by it.
The purpose of their lives is to get high enough so they can get plucked away.
Yeah, the people who voted for him.
I mean, I don't know, this might be a little ancient history, but Haley Barber, I think he was governor of Mississippi, and I think he was with the RNC for a while, and he had pretensions of being like a presidential candidate, if you remember.
He opened borders, did this whole thing.
But of course, what ended up happening is he had done some events back in the 90s or whenever with like the Council of Conservative Citizens, because back then you had to do that to like the Mississippi to be in the Republican candidate.
And so that torpedoed him.
But I think, you know, in his heart of hearts, the people he resents for that is not the media, it's the constituents.
It's the fact that he had to associate with these gross people and he doesn't want to.
He wants to be in D.C.
It's the same thing with Cheney.
It's the same thing with The politicians are seeing coming out of Oklahoma, maybe even with Kristen Nolan, South Dakota, where they don't want to be representing these places.
They want to use this as a springboard to get away from these places.
She wants to go down to Florida and do an infomercial for a dentist.
Yeah, for a dentist or something like that.
But that's more high status to them than like being the governor of South Dakota.
You know it's sad because there are so many great people who, go back to like Early 2010-2011 when SB 1070 passed in Arizona, there was a similar bill in Georgia.
I can't remember the candidate who actually pushed this bill in Georgia.
Very right-wing guy.
Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
But the point is he got booted out.
And the reason was because the GOP was leading the charge.
And you certainly see this with a lot of it.
There's also sort of a Flipside to this where and this is at the risk of being somewhat condescending here too is you do see people going going to the mat on issues that they can't win on simply to send a message or to show that they're
They're more hardcore than thou, or tougher than thou.
You've kind of seen this in Arizona, where you have the big debate over the abortion thing, and there's no chance that they're going to be able to maintain that, but you're trying to see people turn this into a litmus test, and it's like, yeah, but you're going to lose the whole thing.
This is a winnable fight and therefore it's a matter of courage or something.
It's a question of do you want to have any kind of pro-life policies at all or do you want none but to pat yourself on the back and think like God lets you into heaven based on your electoral stances.
And that's sort of where you have a lot of the problems because among the grassroots rights these are also like some of the best activists.
These are the most dedicated people and this is one of the key problems we have is that There are many rights, but there's only one left.
And you get people, even in a place like this, I think if you got people together and said, what are your first principles?
You'd probably get some pretty major divisions if you talked it out, even as you have some agreement.
But a common enemy unites like nothing else.
And I think that's why the left is actually more monolithic and more united than the right is.
The question now is, is it becoming so overwhelming?
That maybe white people and right of center people, even non-white people who are on the right of center, are beginning to understand that, wait a minute, all politics really is identity politics.
And certainly you have a number of voices within the conservative movement who are trying to redirect them away from that position.
Eric Erickson just a few days ago did this whole thing where he's like, oh, I mean, it was like a time warp from 2015, even before that.
He's like, did you know that people are opposing the tripartite stool of Reagan conservatism?
It's like, what are you doing?
What are you talking about?
And the idea that with our debt level, with the size of our government, with the amount of interference that the federal government has in every single person's life, largely because of civil rights, but not just because of that, but also because of the EPA and things like that, but civil rights is clearly the biggest one.
The very thought of talking about limited government or fiscal conservatism, if that's the benchmark, this is the most failed political movement in human history.
I think it does answer your question.
It is.
But I think that's what they want.
There's this weird martyrdom complex where the point is to lose, No, a lot of this stuff doesn't make any sense.
And just to bring the whole question back, I mean, there is something, unfortunately, to me, to see the left actually want to use power to crush their enemies.
A lot of this stuff doesn't make any sense.
And just to bring the whole question back, there is something, unfortunately, to me,
to see the left actually want to use power to crush their enemies.
I mean, that's what they're doing to Trump.
Who knows?
Trump could be in jail in the next couple of months.
It'd be even funnier if he got elected from jail.
But, I mean, you think about just, as we're doing this conference, there's this sword of Damocles hanging over.
It's the sword of Letitia James.
And you think about, you know, it doesn't matter because they, they, they, there's no
compromise with the left in a lot of ways.
Which is why they win.
Exactly, exactly.
I mean, they understand that they can't get everything they want all the time, but the goalposts are always moving.
The issue is never the issue.
The issue is always the revolution.
I think Jesse Kelly says that.
I wouldn't even say so much the revolution, but the end state of egalitarianism, which is an impossible and undesirable goal, but that's precisely why It's so attractive.
I mean, one of the things that you sort of wake up from, from conservatism, is that the things that make conservatism somewhat workable, the ideals of prudence, the ideals of accepting the world as it is, the ideals of understanding that people have, how can I put this, That a social system is not the product of choices, but it's the product of generations of social evolution.
And that's not to be tossed aside lightly, even if you think it's a good idea.
That's also why it politically doesn't work.
It's because people actually, they want to be deceived.
They want to immunitize the eschaton.
They want to pursue impossible ideals.
They don't want to be satisfied.
The political causes that triumph are the ones that cannot possibly triumph.
They want to be lied to.
And I think, in a weird way, the more dishonest and the more slippery you are in your political rhetoric, and maybe even the more self-deluded you are, the more successful you are.
I mean, I think the irony is that the right, the intellectual right, is talking about power in a way that I've never seen in my entire life.
And I've been doing this for a while, much to my surprise.
Whereas the left never talks about it in these terms.
They just kind of talk about it in these, you know, baby's first political science 101 terms about saving democracy, but they use power in the right way.
Yeah, you know, you go back to when Trump wins in 2016, and he starts doing all these amazing interviews with the people at Trump Tower, and there was that famous picture of Chris Kovach.
For DHS, and he had the folder of all the stuff.
Yeah, and you just, you go back and you start to think now, it's one of those great what-ifs, but again, he did What did Sessions do?
You and I both respect and in a lot of ways lament that he didn't win the Senate seat in Alabama.
Sessions?
Jeff Sessions.
And you just think what the very first thing they had to encounter was the whole Russia collusion thing.
I mean, from the start, Trump was torpedoed.
Yep.
And… What did Sessions do?
He—to be—to obey the law as it should be, to make sure nothing was suspicion or whatever else,
he recused himself, which of course won the enmity of Trump.
Now contrast that to the trial he's going in right now, What's it the judge's daughter is making money from the whole thing?
That's fine like we're just gonna put a gag order on everybody and now I'm gonna hold you in contempt and I'm gonna do this that the other thing and you know you have Occasionally some legal observers being like wait a minute
like what is going on?
Yeah, but everyone the media is like yeah, but you know Trump's a stupid face
So like actually we're allowed to do whatever we want, but the thing is that is the Constitution. That is how it works.
I mean You can't have an Anglo-Saxon law code without Anglo-Saxons
you get Law are the collected traditions of a people and their shared understanding of how society works, and you can't just substitute some other people in who have a totally different understanding of what law is, if they even know what law is, which they don't.
Lesser breeds without the laws, as Ruyard Kipling said.
but also these sort of pod people who are just animated by media signals and know nothing
other than friend and enemy.
But it's precisely because they're so easily manipulated, it's precisely because they're
so fanatical, it's precisely because they can be turned on a dime and they don't even
remember what happened yesterday that they're so effective.
I mean it wasn't that long ago.
Do you remember like the Michael Avenatti, the Stormy Daniels like porn lawyer or whatever
and they were talking about him as like a presidential candidate on MSNBC and then you
had the Mulder investigation or whatever and you just had whole careers launched on this.
You had Louise Mensch making these, like, insane declarations that Trump had already been, like, kidnapped by the Secret Service and was being held in Guantanamo.
I mean, just absolute onion stuff.
None of it matters.
Nobody remembers it.
It just like vanishes like a fever dream and they're on to the next thing and nobody is held accountable.
You just kind of pocket the money and go on.
Now the danger of course is that you're seeing the right move into this a little bit and that's one of the things that what we're talking about now really needs to be changed is that The way engagement farming and the way content is driven online, if you talk about real things, you may get banned.
I mean, I hate to harp on this, but it's American Round, so I'm gonna.
It's pretty nuts when you think that, like, Jared Taylor is banned from Axe.
Considering how moderate he is in his discussion.
I mean, he's scolded me for not accepting things in good faith.
His videos are everywhere.
I think that wouldn't be allowed.
And I think that the the Groypers deserve a major shout out because they're the ones who are doing all this clipping and spreading these things around.
That said, I mean, it's pretty remarkable that he himself is not allowed to speak for himself, considering that there are other people who, frankly, are more unhinged and more violent, even said.
Certainly on the left, we expect that the violent are allowed on and they'll never be held to account.
They won't even lose their verified account or whatever else.
But this is just the reality that we face, even under a so-called free speech regime.
In Australia, you had a senator calling for Elon Musk to be thrown in jail.
The reason that they, and you know, Musk is not exactly a free speech guy.
I mean, that's the whole point of this.
And the thing that they're specifically mad about was the video where you had that Muslim attack a Christian cleric, Assyrian cleric, I believe.
And they're not mad that the attack happened.
They're mad that people saw the video.
They're mad that people might react to it.
And you see this very often where When there's a crime, a black and white crime, the immediate instinct of power is to make sure nobody learns any lessons from it.
And to prevent any kind of a collective reaction from the people who are regarded as reactionary.
Whereas when the shoe is on the other foot, you actually incite community tensions.
You actually send government officials to make just blood-curdling libels against the entire white population.
So it's not about maintaining social peace.
It's not about preventing riots.
It's not about any of these innuendos and explanations.
It's just how do we direct violence against whites?
How do we make sure whites don't defend themselves or Christians in this case?
I mean the reason we've seen any kind of reaction at all in this case is because it's basically a immigrant Christian population and so they don't quite understand that they're not allowed To get mad when they're wronged as a community, whereas white people have sort of been trained by blows and hardship that you're actually just supposed to sit down and take it, and your own leaders will come out and tell you that you had it coming.
You know, going back to your comment, though, about Jared Taylor on Twitter, you know, the fact is the rhetoric, his very reasoned voice, hasn't the right taken most of his ideas?
This was something that I wrote about a couple weeks ago, and I was not the first to bring it up.
A lot of people were talking about it at the time.
The question is whether we've already won to some extent.
Now, I basically said no, but there's an argument that, at least online, people are moving to these positions in a way that you didn't see in 2016.
You didn't see normal people, mainstream people, people within the conservative movement, say things like anti-white.
Yeah, exactly.
Now, I think that if Trump loses, you may see a reaction where they'll say, it's because we started moving in this direction.
You know, post-Trump, we need to pivot back to George W. Bush, compassionate conservatism.
Eric Aronson's Eric Aronson.
Nikki Haley becomes the standard bearer.
Get that stool back up.
Yeah, right.
You know, she loses and whatever, but we just kind of deal with it and move on.
I mean, Haley is clearly going to be the person who steps up if Trump goes down.
I think that's what the last candidacy was all about.
And you already kind of see the foreign policy outline of what they'll try to run on, where you basically, you kind of throw a few scraps to the peasants to keep them on side when it comes to domestic policy.
But what you actually deliver on is tax cuts, or at least preventing tax raises.
There's a wild card in all of this.
are sort of your compensation for not being allowed to have a country of your
own but you can take pride in a military that vaguely represents you and flies
the flag and blows stuff up overseas and that makes you feel good.
There's a wild card in all of this. There is somebody who just had an anniversary of being removed from Fox News and
you could argue is he still relevant?
But what does Tucker Carlson do with politics?
Does he... Well, it's a mixed thing, isn't it?
I mean, what we've seen over the last week, and, you know, it's the kind of... You wonder if they can somehow survive all this, if VDR can somehow survive all this, if we might see Tucker Carlson speaking at a castle conference sometime.
I wouldn't rule it out.
Well, and just so everyone knows, if you don't know, as you're listening to View From The Right from the VDR Castle, Lydia Brooklyn went on with Tucker.
That's absolutely right, and that was one of the best segments.
It's an incredible segment where they talk about what's happening.
I think it's just two employees at this point.
Something like that.
I mean the process is the punishment.
three or four employees and some contractors is being targeted.
I think it's just two employees at this point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Peter and Lydia.
And to just think of what they've encountered, because it's been going on now for, I want to say, almost
three years, maybe?
Something like that.
I mean, the process is the punishment.
That's sort of the thing, is that, from what I understand, I've read a bunch of... I mean, I want to say, first off,
that I'm just a writer, so I don't deal with the legal stuff
or the financial arrangements or anything like that.
All I've done is write, and I work for American Renaissance, not Vider.
That said, I've written for Vider for a very long time, and I've read the court documents, and...
No crime has actually been alleged.
Like, they're not being charged with anything.
And this is kind of the key point, along with the source of the investigation coming from the Hate Crimes Prevention Unit, which itself is a new thing.
The whole idea is to just keep it going forever until you're just out of money.
And it sounds insane.
It's the sort of thing, I've talked to normal conservatives about it, and they just say, like, well, the government can't do that.
They can't just allege you did... No, not even allege.
They can't just target you with an investigation, keep it going for years until all your money's gone, and then you throw up your hands and that's all there is to it.
It's like, but no, they can do that.
And that's what makes the talk of things like limited government especially obscene, because this is all happening at a time when media guys are telling you about like, oh, the sacred rule of law and democracy, when the judges that they praise are just making things up.
Just acting out of their ethnic resentments and half these guys are only on the bench because of their race or sexuality or whatever else I refer you of course to the judge who just ruled in a video that we all saw where you had a bunch of migrants charging across the border brushing past Texas National Guard and And what did the judge say?
Well, there's no probable cause to hold them.
There's just nothing you can do.
You're allowed, and you can probably guess what race the judge is.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, I keep thinking about Letitia because, again, she has to have aspirations to governor and potential.
Smart, but I mean, I was talking to one of the other attendees last night about this, and it's a way of filling up your trophy case because the biggest thing that's been lost Is that in many ways, if you look at, I mean, let's take what I think everybody would assume was kind of the high watermark of the alt-right, which was Charlottesville, of course.
And if you want to look at a lot of the specifics there, are they going to take down the Confederate monuments, which everybody at the time said, like, no, of course they won't.
Yes, obviously.
Are they going to move on to taking down monuments of the founding fathers?
Yes, obviously.
Right about that, too.
Yes, obviously.
That's exactly what happened.
Yes, obviously.
We found that out from an independent report of the city's own and commissioned by the city itself.
would happen. Are the specifics of the case that the local officials deliberately allowed violence
to shut down a permitted rally? Yes, obviously, we found that out from an independent report of
the city's own, commissioned by the city itself. And even with the protesters from the roads and
the car and all the violence that came and the death that came as a result of that,
we were seeing that everywhere too.
I mean how many in 2020 there were a whole number of cases We had cars plowing into people in one case you had for brief for a brief moment It was the most important story in the country because some Trans queer or whatever protester got hit and I think There are so many amazing stories that came out of that.
It was out on the west coast and then it came out that the driver was like a black immigrant
and so, whoop, just didn't happen.
I mean, who knows if they even punished him.
Maybe they just, you know, gave him a hat and let him go or something.
There were so many amazing stories that came out of that.
I think one of the main bridges in Memphis was blocked and people were taken to the hospital.
Well, you're seeing that now.
Well, you're seeing that now, but you're seeing the exact opposite because in some states
they're coming in and crushing it quickly.
In some states, yes.
And it's interesting because it challenges some of the narratives about power in a couple of things because in places like New York, I mean, they're not being cracked down on.
I mean, they're being allowed to run rampant.
But if you look at Texas and if you look at Florida, you're seeing that Republicans can act when they feel like it.
And that's something that I think some elected officials, maybe at a smaller level, are going to be able to act on.
Because you are seeing proof of principle.
You don't have to just sit there helplessly.
There are things you can do.
That said, I have to follow every white pill with a black pill.
I mean, you saw there was a recent election in a city in Oklahoma.
Where one of the attendees of the Unite the Right March had gotten himself elected as a commissioner on the city, local government.
You know, I think some trans whatever, or pro-trans pastor and you know a bunch of like lunatic left-wingers.
And this is a very Republican city in alliance with the media.
Go out and say, nope, we're going to try to recall him.
And all Republicans have to do is just say no.
Like they have it unquestionably, but they can't do it.
And the reason they can't do it is because they're like, well, you know, we might lose like a contract to something or like we won't get like a military base, which probably wouldn't happen.
But even if that's true, then it's like, OK, well, then that's that's your most important thing.
Like, can you get this federal slop?
Exactly.
from people who despise you.
And once the proof is that, well, these people get to dictate terms to you,
they can determine everything you're going to say.
Exactly.
And that is an depressing story because it shows your thesis of a media-run state, correct?
Yes.
Again, it's this little small, little sleepy town, and why is MSNBC, The New York Times, and The Washington
Post editorializing on something that has nothing whatsoever to do?
It just shows the power that is necessary to keep this going to scare people.
That's one of the...
We're coming up on 50 minutes, and I don't want to miss too much of Scott's speech here.
I think he's already begun.
But I want to close on this point, and I think it's something worth discussing.
The current environment, and I think this conference is a very powerful indication of it, you get the sense that the water's getting higher.
We're on the brink of everything spelling over, and they're just kind of frantically putting up as many barriers as possible.
And the mask is increasingly off.
Nobody, no Western government, not one, especially not the United States, actually believes in free speech as a principle, which is something that would have been universally celebrated even 10 years ago.
Everybody would have said, yeah, of course we believe this.
Now you will have investigations launched, people thrown in jail, Reporters openly defending, like, what we need to do is crush what they call disinformation.
And what they call disinformation is not the aforementioned Louise Mensch saying President Trump has been, you know, guillotined by the Secret Service because of, like, whatever fever dream she had.
What she says is disinformation is whatever, you know, InfoWars says or something like that.
There used to be sort of a consensus that the only way you can get to the truth, because the truth is necessarily in flux with a lot of these things, is you kind of have to let a thousand flowers bloom and debate it out and eventually you come up with something.
We basically have the so-called experts dictate to us what we're allowed to say.
And the problem is we're seeing them get it wrong pretty often in front of everybody.
And so it's sort of like the more they tighten their grip, like the more people are beginning to notice like, wait a minute, these people don't have a handle on things, especially because we do not have a particularly competent Ruling class.
A lot has been written about the low IQ, including by Scott, the low IQ nature of the GOP and GOP based now.
There is kind of a downward mobility to it.
Point conceded.
But dumbest people on the other side, A, in the running city is like, you know, Jackson, Mississippi, if you can even call that a city anymore.
Yeah, to the point where like you just running water is just like ridiculous.
I mean, whether we'll even have a power grid there would be like amazing.
Or a movie theater.
Or a movie theater.
Or Selma.
Yeah, or Selma, right?
Like, every year they have to do their little walk across the bridge, and when they want to watch the movie, they have to, like, bring a movie theater.
Oh my goodness.
Oh, God.
Comedy.
But the people who are smart, the people who have the credentials, the people who have the high IQ, First, a lot of these institutions, even Harnania I think would agree with me on this, a lot of these credentialing institutions are degrading.
You're certainly seeing that with a lot of the universities now where, I mean, they're asking these protesters, like, what's an intifada?
And they don't even know, you know, they don't even know what they're talking about.
A lot of these people are just being admitted for affirmative action.
A lot of these majors are completely fake.
A lot of these people are genuinely stupid.
And they're just being admitted to these institutions and there's this sort of cargo cult where, oh well I have this degree from Harvard so therefore I'm smart.
And it's like yeah but you have an ADIQ.
And you were given this out of misplaced pity.
And you can get away with that for a very long time.
And most people, don't get me wrong, most people at these institutions are still smart.
But, and these are where the smart people still go.
I mean, if you get into an Ivy League college, you should still go to the Ivy League college.
Don't like, become a plumber or something.
I mean, you should go to these things.
Then become a plumber.
Then become a plumber.
That's right.
You should own a plumbing business and make a million dollars.
But there is a point, there is a tipping point where the whole thing becomes rotten and we're
starting to see that process underway.
And more to the point, the people who are smart, the people who have high verbal IQ, the people who are able to use language almost as a kind of spell to manipulate people, they've gone in and ideas that are so divorced from reality that it's becoming increasingly difficult to balance all the contradictions.
You have to have a sky-high verbal IQ just to keep track of all the lies
that are being told at this point.
And I'm not sure how much longer they can do this. I mean, at the risk of, you know,
again going into the tangent with these protests, it reminds me a lot of what happened in the 60s
when Herbert Marcuse, you know, who was a smart guy, understood Plato and all this stuff.
But, you know, very destructive cultural influence, probably the most destructive single academic of all time.
And that's it.
Yeah.
But I mean, he his whole spiel was basically we need to destroy Western civilization to make sure, you know, Nazi Germany never happens again.
And if you're like, well, what about communism and all that's caused by that is like, oh, well, that's OK.
I mean, that's basically I hate to summarize it, but that's basically it.
But he did it with such a way that he could, like, give you insights on Plato or whatever else, and so you'd be like, okay, he's a smart guy.
Well, he was getting denounced by his own students, and he even said, and he was honestly befuddled, I mean, you can read about this, he said, don't you want to be smart?
Don't you want to know things?
And they were saying, no, because if you really believe this stuff, And especially if you're not smart enough to really grapple with the issues being involved, and you also want to have status, and that means displacing people like this, you're going to say, actually, knowledge from a poison source is toxic, and we should just get rid of these books, and we should get rid of these subjects, and we should get rid of these institutions.
Arguably, that's what's happening now.
The left has put all of its investment into a constituency that's not capable of carrying forward I don't think so.
that they need to force us down.
You're certainly seeing this internationally.
I don't think that the new Americans that they're importing are going to fight
for the American empire.
I don't care what you offer them.
I don't think so.
And if they do, they're going to do it incompetently and screw everything up.
You're not going to be able to get competent service even in government institutions.
That's why you're seeing all these resignations from the State Department and whatever else.
And ironically, for as much stuff as everybody makes fun of Biden,
Biden is probably the most competent guy left because he's the only one who sort of remembers
what politics is.
Well, occasionally remembers what politics is, knows how to cut a deal,
knows how to appeal to these Americans who still think it's 1980 and like good old Scranton Joe
was going to bring back factory jobs or whatever.
But you think Kamala Harris can do that?
No.
She can't even read a sentence.
She just wants to dance.
Yeah, every time some white guy gets killed.
That's basically it.
You see the same thing with the White House Press Secretary.
There's a whole debate now about they're trying to replace her, but they can't because it would be seen as a retreat from diversity.
This is coming from sources within the Democrats that she can't even read the binder.
She doesn't know the issue.
She doesn't know what she's talking about.
And the only reason she's able to get away with it is because the press is kind of lockstep behind her, making sure these lies are protected.
Well, what happens when you can't protect these lies anymore?
It takes a certain amount of competence to be able to do this.
And the competency crisis is not just making sure bridges don't collapse and making sure we have running water and power.
You have to have enough competency to put forward narratives, and I don't think they can do that for much longer.
I 100% agree.
But at the same time, you do see what happens when you do have competent people who run, specifically saying, I'm going to go after Trump.
And that's to circle back to what we started with, with Letitia James.
And I think the right needs are people, and you know, a lot of people listening to this podcast might not have the highest opinion of him.
I'm actually a big fan of DeSantis.
And I think his time Yeah, he shouldn't have.
His political reputation would be a lot higher if he had listened to the people telling him not to go this time.
And I think he was definitely at the risk of, you know, if only the czar knew, I think that he was given some very bad advice by people who told him that it was his time.
And it's like, no, no one's dislodging Trump.
That's just not going to happen.
In fact, he came out and endorsed Trump.
He did endorse Trump.
He's doing a phenomenal job running the state of Florida.
I think that, I mean, there are certainly some things I would quibble with, one issue
in particular, but like, I think that his attention to personnel and bureaucracy is
really important.
And if there is one thing that is holding the right back, it's that.
That's what killed Trump last time.
The whole battle was lost day one when they shredded the resumes of everybody who would have followed him, and instead they hired all of Pence's people who betrayed him every step of the way.
Yes.
That's right.
I think we may have met this person to whom you refer whose name I'm not going to say a few times.
But that's just it.
There's no cost being paid to treason.
It is ultimately a factor of courage.
I think we may have met this person to whom you refer whose name I'm not going to say.
We met a few times.
But that's just it.
There's no cost being paid to treason.
And until you have... it is ultimately a factor of courage.
It's a dedication.
It's attachment to the people that you're trying to represent.
Trump himself may not get this, but the people around him need to get it fast because if he can somehow pull off what I think would be an even greater upset than 2016 in the face of the odds.
But I will say this, I think the odds are better than they were in 2020.
It took a confluence of crazy events for 2020.
Yeah, I never had much hope for 2020, but I have way more hope for 2024 than I do for 2020.
Again, I'm not endorsing him. I expect nothing from him.
But I think that it could lead to better things.
But it ultimately does not depend on Trump himself so much as it depends on the right
understanding that we're in a fight.
And that means you have to fight.
And it's not just a question of divorcing yourself from reality either by refusing to fight
or by saying that everybody is so flawed that I'm not going to dirty my hands and instead
I'm just going to go speak in abstractions and live in a cloud somewhere in my perfect world.
It doesn't work that way.
No.
We're in this fight and what's happening with Videre I think is a very good indication of that.
I think that's a good place to wrap it up.
We got to go down and hear Scott Greer.
We got to do it.
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