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April 15, 2024 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

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	Hey guys, welcome to View from the Right.
	This is Gregory Hood.
	I'm here as always with Paul Kersey, and today we are going to be talking about what was really the racial awakening for a lot of people in my generation, and that of course is the O.J.
	Simpson trial.
	A lot of people were saying that it couldn't possibly be true that we were watching this kind of thing in school.
	No, that actually happened.
	I know the Zoomers aren't going to believe it, but yeah, we actually did watch this in school.
	It was basically part of the curriculum, and it was a media environment that's very different Then what exists now?
	You were able to basically just have one story that everybody in the world was talking about, and pretty much every channel was carrying it all the time.
	I can think of a few after school programs that basically were canceled because they basically got taken over by the O.J.
	Simpson trial, and it sustained an entire industry.
	You can't possibly begin to imagine what a big deal this was.
	There was really nothing else to talk about in America for months, and What really brought it home, though, and I think shocked a lot of people and should have been one of those key impressions where if people were going to wake up, it was going to be to this thing, was the verdict itself, where, of course, every white person I met, every single one, and I was in a very liberal area, was utterly shocked and utterly heartbroken.
	And every single black person I saw was screaming in jubilation.
	I think there were like a couple black kids in my school and they were screaming and running around the halls talking about how this was the greatest thing ever.
	It shocked white people to their core, but there's always this presumption that when such and such a thing happens, if enough people see it, then they're going to wake up.
	And if anybody was ever going to wake up, this would have been the time.
	But very few people woke up.
	But some of us woke up.
	Paul, I gotta say that, I mean, for me, thinking about this, because O.J.
	Simpson recently died, and so that's why we're looking back on this, we're getting this new spurt of coverage, but I never really thought about, like, what was my awakening, because I didn't really think about race in a serious way until college, but now looking back on it, it had to have been the O.J.
	Simpson trial.
	It's so funny to think about this, because we're the same age.
	I think I was in sixth grade in 1995, October 1995, when the verdict happened, and I became aware of a lot of what was going on during the LA riots, actually.
	Uh, because the L.A.
	riots spilled over to Atlanta and finding out so much.
	There was a lot of violence happened in Atlanta.
	There was a pretty famous story where a white businessman was attacked by a bunch, by a group of youths, as the New York Post would call them.
	They actually beat him with a Atlanta Journal newspaper dispenser.
	They picked it up and started beating him with it.
	And it was just the most astonishing stories were breaking from the L.A.
	riots.
	And then, of course, O.J.
	was alleged to have murdered Nicole Brown Simpson, his white ex-wife and her, uh, her white boyfriend, uh, pretty viciously.
	Uh, of course, I'm sure you remember where you were.
	I remember where I was when the white Bronco episode happened, where he's fleeing with his buddy and the car, 95 million Americans, Mr. Hood watched that, uh, where he's just in this weird situation where he's in this white Bronco going down what the 405, wherever it is in LA and just watching as they passed.
	And OJ, to put into perspective to all of our listeners, we have a lot of older listeners,
	we've got younger listeners.
	OJ was a Heisman Trophy winner, this guy who ran for 11,000 yards in the NFL.
	He was this beloved football player who, I'm gonna use a word we don't like to talk about,
	who transcended race in a lot of ways, who kind of ran away from his blackness
	and was embraced by white people.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, he was probably one of the original post-racial celebrities.
	I mean, there's been a lot of talk in recent weeks where people, especially Gen Xers, who are the people who are maybe the generation before us, who will say things like, well, back in the 90s, you know, we didn't see race.
	Well, if you look at crime rates, they were actually a lot worse in the 90s than they are now.
	This is when, you know, Bill Clinton got into office and along with the Republicans passed the crime bill, which even Trump ran against and said it was too harsh and everything else.
	You had the L.A.
	riots, as you said.
	You had a number of major incidents.
	You had the Rodney King thing.
	You had all sorts of things that were happening in the 90s.
	But the one thing that you had going, if you want to call it that, for race relations is, as I said, you had this kind of united media.
	And you had this sort of family-friendly image of certain blacks, less so as the decade went on.
	In the 80s and the 90s, you had, you know, The Cosby Show, another thing that hasn't exactly aged well.
	You had Steve Urkel, you had, you know, kind of the family friendly rap like MC Hammer and things like that.
	But you also had OJ.
	OJ was in The Naked Gun, if you remember that, the comedies with Leslie Nielsen.
	Yep.
	He was also, he was originally going to be cast to be The Terminator, which that would have been pretty chilling in retrospect.
	I'm sure you've heard the story where Arnold said that the studio didn't believe OJ would be a killer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He wasn't threatening enough.
	The overbearing, like, white guy who just, like, stares and looms over everybody, pacing after everyone at a slow pace.
	But I mean, the footage of OJ stalking after the victims would be incredible now.
	But OJ's whole It was essentially that he was the family friendly white guy.
	And I guess what's what's more about this is that he really acted that way and felt that way.
	I mean, a lot of what he wanted to do with his career.
	I mean, because he obviously was an incredible football player and everything else, but he wanted to be acceptable to white America.
	I mean, even more than like Michael Jordan.
	And I don't think... Jordan did it, I think, from a very business-savvy sense.
	You know, Republicans buy shoes too, as he famously said when he was asked to endorse a black Democrat against Jesse Helms in the North Carolina Senate race.
	Yep.
	Republicans buy shoes too.
	That whole attitude is gone from corporate America today, from athletics today.
	But OJ, I think it came from a deeper place.
	I mean, he really wanted to be accepted by white people and by white culture.
	And for that reason, he was basically looked down upon by blacks until, of course, he got accused of murder, at which point he became their hero.
	And that is the most important thing from all of this, is what happened the moment that these two white people, his ex-wife, being just basically decapitated.
	I mean, that's one of the things that Yeah, it was a remarkably brutal killing.
	Yeah, it was a remarkably brutal killing, and then it did.
	It captivated the country for well over a year after the Fort Bronco, with him being arrested and him going to jail, and then surrounded himself with this incredible legal team that did everything possible to then create this situation where it was.
	O.J.
	then became unceremoniously a brother again. And he embraced that, and
	he was embraced by blacks. And, you know, we're sort of talking here without kind of a
	script of where we're going. But what I remember most about the O.J. Simpson trial, didn't really
	follow it, you know. I wasn't, again, I'm too young to watch Saturday Night Live at that point to
	really understand the hilarity of Norm McDonald's jokes. I'm
	I've only watched those recently, and it's amazing to think how much of the country knew, how much of both white and black America knew this guy did the murder, knew that he committed.
	Well, I think that's the key, is that the reason blacks cheered is not because they thought he wasn't guilty.
	The reason they cheered is because they knew he was.
	Exactly.
	If they had thought he was innocent, they wouldn't have cared.
	Exactly.
	It's because he did it that they were happy.
	It's because he was a murderer that there was a celebration.
	It was because he got won over that every newscast in the country featured blacks cheering.
	And of course, what's remarkable about this is the instinctive disgust many whites felt It was quickly followed by media experts lecturing us on the divided American states and what they feel about race, divided states of America, and all this kind of stuff.
	And there are all these think pieces by journalists with furrowed brows saying, you know, have we really changed?
	Have we become more united and everything else?
	But the excuses that are being given, of course, are that Well, blacks felt alienated from a racist justice system.
	Therefore, it's okay they did this.
	Therefore, it's okay that they voted to let this murderer go because there was a broader principle at stake.
	Which, of course, to white people is just an entirely foreign way of looking at things, but that's because, contrary to what everybody says about us, we're not ethnocentric.
	If we were ethnocentric, we wouldn't have any of these problems.
	No, it's not.
	Because we actually look at these sorts of things and, I mean, we're two of the most ethnocentric white people there are.
	I think if you and I were on a jury, I mean, we'd be thinking about things like, well, did the guy do it or not?
	And we'd vote accordingly.
	Black people just don't think that way.
	It just doesn't occur to them.
	And this is, when we look at what's happening now with, say, like Letitia James, when we look at what's happening now with a lot of these cases in blue states or in blue cities where you have the blacks essentially running the legal system, I mean, really, it was sort of an early warning sign that you can't have an Anglo-Saxon legal system with black people because they're just not capable of making these kinds of judgments because they don't view reality in the same way.
	To them, it's all about the tribe.
	To them, it's all about collective interest.
	And we've seen this even in cases where there are no white people involved, where you see blacks getting let off because of shootings, where you see blacks surround the police and try to get people freed when they're getting arrested, even if the victims are black too, but they don't care about the victims.
	They don't care about any of this.
	What they want is black control of their communities, and crime is just part of the cost of doing business.
	Similarly, in this case, you know, some white people being killed, what's that to them?
	What matters is that you had a brother being locked up by a white racial justice system and even if this guy hadn't cared about blacks his entire life, suddenly now it mattered.
	I mean what's funny of course is in the years since it's not like he really took a hard turn to black politics or anything.
	No, no, he took a hard turn to trying to steal his signed Perfinellia and he went to jail for that in Las Vegas.
	I think there was even some picture where he was speaking somewhere or other and there was like a locker or something in the background, a desk or something, and it had a red MAGA hat there.
	I think he might have been back trumpet 16.
	There's an amazing Dave Chappelle bit where he talks about the multiple times he met OJ and the last time he met OJ Yeah.
	Dave Chappelle had just had his show canceled.
	He left.
	Chris Tucker had been canceled, and O.J.
	walked up and said, hey, brothers, let's get a photo together.
	And Dave Chappelle famously said, hey, listen.
	No.
	You're even too bad.
	Sorry, Juice.
	My career is not good.
	Exactly.
	It's not strong enough to handle a picture with you right now.
	Exactly.
	The thing about OJ, the thing about all this is I distinctly remember reading an article about blacks celebrating.
	And we can talk about jury nullification, you know, of the 12 jurors in OJ's case, because again, you can say that he was, he was acquitted of everything.
	Of course, he then was basically bankrupted when Ron Goldman's, the civil lawsuits that followed afterwards were just, Financially devastating to him.
	And if you recall, there was an Associated Press story that was just published that, you know, he lost the American dream because he was alleged a murderer.
	Once again, the media showing just the absolute hatred that they have for white people, that again, OJ Simpson is still the victim, even upon his death, even when, even when everyone in the country, you know, again, I'm sure there are a couple people out there who are contrarians, but everybody knows OJ did it.
	I mean, come on.
	To indulge the conspiracy things for a little while, but let's play pretend for a little while.
	For two seconds.
	The only other case that I've heard, I mean, I think Tariq Nasheed is putting forward that like some white guy did it.
	If it's not him, I apologize.
	I've seen a couple of corners of black Twitter saying, you know, well, it's this like white guy who may have done it.
	But the most common not OJ suspect, of course, is his son.
	They suggest that all the time.
	And that's been getting a lot of coverage and this idea that he did it.
	By and large, if you look at the polls over the last few decades, even the number of blacks who believe that O.J.
	did it, or at least are willing to say that he did it, the percentage of blacks who believe that he's guilty has been trending up, up until now, ever since the trial.
	So perhaps because it just doesn't matter anymore, it's not seen as such a racial victory, More are willing to say, yeah, I think he did it.
	And of course, to go back to the Chappelle thing, for example, one of the funniest parts of that is he says, you know, OJ goes back and is talking with Chappelle and his friends.
	And he says, you know, it was this wonderful conversation filled with humor and wit and wisdom.
	And then at the end, OJ gets up and is like.
	So guys, it was great to talk to you.
	I'm glad it all worked out.
	I'll see you later.
	And they're like, thanks, Juice.
	Goodbye.
	And then he leaves.
	He turns to his friends and he's like, that nigga did that shit.
	There was murder in the room.
	Yeah, they all, he's got another joke where the, you know, OJ comes up and shakes his hand or something.
	And the white woman he's with says, how could you shake hands with that murderer?
	And he's like, with all due respect, that murderer rushed for 1,100 yards.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	11,000 yards.
	11,000 yards.
	Yeah, no, no, no, because again, you know, because we have to put into context the country of just how funny all of this is.
	20 years ago, the number one show on Comedy Central and on cable was undoubtedly The Chappelle Show.
	And that was a show where a black guy was basically lampooning Black people are laughing.
	and black people collectively, black individuals collectively, to such an extent that he finally
	realized white people were laughing at blacks.
	The wrong people are laughing.
	The famous story, of course, is that there was like a white guy working on the show laughing
	a bit too hard at one of these bits.
	And Chappelle was like, wait a minute, walked off.
	Now there are some other stories too, that he was threatened by such and such people.
	I mean, there, you can really go down some conspiracy rabbit holes here and there's, there are other various nefarious forces maybe at work here, but that's the reason given.
	And there might be something to that.
	I mean, the idea that someone was saying the other day that Chappelle kind of broke the N word curse, so to speak.
	Because you actually do kind of hear it thrown about if only with the A as opposed to the hard R. And largely that came about because of Chappelle's show.
	It just kind of became acceptable almost like as a youth culture thing.
	You know what I mean?
	With OJ going before this, I think it really fortified the idea in the public mind that there really is no common viewpoint between blacks and whites.
	I mean with Chappelle, People were laughing at it, but I don't think it would have been funny if people didn't at least realize that, yeah, that distinction is actually there.
	There's a black America, there's a white America, and never the twain shall meet.
	Because before the OJ trial, we had been engaged in decades of pretending that there was going to be a unified America.
	It was after the fading of black power.
	You didn't see people walking around with black is beautiful and afros and all this kind of thing anymore.
	Media culture was mostly about telling us that blacks can be doctors, they can be family men, you know, family matters, for example, they can be cops, they can be respectable politicians and all the rest of it.
	They're just like us.
	And we're all going to be one country together.
	And if you don't believe me, here's OJ Simpson, who's going to play some slapstick comedy roles and fall into the river.
	Isn't this funny?
	And Leslie Nielsen is going to play the straight man while like all sorts of disasters are happening to him.
	And isn't he such a lovable guy?
	And then he gets accused of murder of his white wife and her supposed boyfriend.
	And every black person in the country seemingly celebrates when he gets off in a case that just about every white person thought he was guilty.
	I think there were very few whites who really believed that he was innocent.
	And what was interesting about this too is that it was very much a case where it wasn't conservative versus liberal.
	You can almost talk about White liberals and white conservatives as two different people.
	And maybe that was less true then.
	I think it probably was less true then.
	Even white liberals were opposed to crime.
	Whereas white liberals now will either say crime doesn't exist or it's a good thing and we have it coming.
	But it wasn't about liberals versus conservative thing then.
	It was purely a racial thing.
	And the idea that blacks would celebrate so enthusiastically at that moment, I still remember the looks of shock.
	And my white classmates' faces when the black guys were running around and everything.
	It's not that they were surprised that the blacks were doing that.
	It's that they were surprised anybody was doing that.
	It hadn't occurred to anyone that they would act this way.
	That anyone would act this way, white or black.
	Because why would you celebrate?
	And it takes a little while to be like, oh wait, they're celebrating because they think it's funny.
	Because they think one of their own got away with something.
	And then you got the talking heads being like, well, actually this isn't what it seems and it's more complicated than all that.
	But it's really not more complicated than all that.
	And the more you look into the history of the trial itself, the more you realize how straightforward actually and simple all of this really is.
	Yeah.
	I mean, again, nine of the 12 jurors were black.
	One was white, two were Hispanic.
	The jury pool was 40% white, 28% black.
	And of course they were able to work around a very bad defense.
	Marsha Clark has admitted in her book that they just didn't do a good job because they didn't understand the role that race was going to play into it during nullification.
	And William F. Buckley, I found this really great article in the Michigan Law School publication, quarterly publication, and they're talking about the case.
	William F. Buckley wrote a column, one of the founders of the National Review, at the time he wrote this, quote, it is simply undeniable that the black majority believed him innocent.
	Because he was black.
	Again, conservatives knew, they understood what was happening, and unfortunately they didn't want to implement the lessons that were necessary then.
	Mr. Hood, everything was there in the early 90s.
	You can't have, the early 90s were a very interesting time.
	I forget the exact term Peter Brimlow talks about, but you had a time, you had Alienation, you had Charles Murray and the bell curve.
	Is that what Peter Brimlow says?
	Yeah.
	In 1994, you had the Atlantic, back then it was the Atlantic Monthly, they did the cover story on Camp of the Saints, must it be by Jean Raspel, must it be the West against the rest?
	You had the campaigns of David Duke, who got elected to state representative, and a lot of people were saying, well here's this guy with all this baggage, if he can get elected, are there some guys with a more moderate background who are also going to get elected?
	You had the Buchanan campaigns in 1992 and 1996, you had Clinton get elected, but it was basically a fluke,
	largely because of Perot and also because Clinton was a great triangulator. I mean, he basically ran,
	by today's standard, I mean, Clinton was to the right of Trump. Oh, he was certainly the
	way Trump ran in 2020 with the soft on crime policies that Trump put forward. I mean,
	Clinton was way more right wing on crime than.
	I'm going to say something that people won't probably like, but Clinton did a lot of good things in office.
	The 90s were a great decade.
	He did a lot of good things because the Republicans took over Congress and people were talking about a Republican revolution and all this.
	I mean, he was pretty constrained in the political environment he was working with.
	But keep in mind, too, you had Ruby Ridge, you had Waco, you had this Militia movement in the West, you had Bogrites, you had all these guys where people were talking about some pretty revolutionary ideas.
	And there were guys well to the right of them who were also making news at the time.
	And none of that really went away until Oklahoma City.
	Correct.
	And then you had kind of the turn.
	I mean, that was a bit like Seville, certainly a much higher body count, but a lot like Seville in the sense that it had this kind of Chilling effect on the light where they say, OK, now we have an excuse to go after these people and and redesignate these people at the enemy and everything else.
	I mean, I think it played a big role in making sure that Clinton was able to to basically command American politics until the end of his time in office, despite impeachment, despite Monica Lewinsky, despite all that, because people got scared of right wing radicals.
	But up until that point, I mean, you really did have a pretty aggressive right wing that was kind of setting the tone.
	for American politics.
	And then when you have this just dropped in the middle of it
	at a time when people were not especially inclined to hold their tongue about things,
	you would think, especially when there was no other story.
	This is the only thing people were talking about for months.
	I mean, it's crazy when you actually think about it.
	It was bigger than COVID in terms of, yeah.
	It came on the heels of the LA riots where people are already beginning to say,
	well, something's wrong here.
	It will.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it came at a point when race was already extremely salient and exactly, exactly.
	And you have a point where, again, we were talking right before we started.
	A couple years ago, maybe it was FX, there was a pretty well-received miniseries came out about the trial, about everything.
	It was quite good, yeah.
	Yeah, People vs. O.J.
	Simpson and one of the more illuminating period, one of the more illuminating anecdotes from
	that, from that mini series and from the book, I forgot the author's name.
	I actually just ordered it.
	But they talk about how Lee, um, Johnny Cochran, when he, and again, this actually blows my
	mind.
	I mean, why in the world is the jury allowed to go to OJ Simpson's house?
	What does that matter?
	But Johnny Cochran is able to have a trip by the jury to go see OJ's house and he goes
	to the house beforehand and he says, oh God, this is a white guy's house.
	There's nothing black about this house at all.
	And then they blacked the house up because they wanted the jury, which was nine of 12 people were black, to immediately sympathize and empathize and feel one with OJ.
	Because again, it was a case marinated in race with a little OJ on top.
	And again, we were at an age where we just didn't know.
	We were living at sort of that last gasp of an America that was expiring.
	And here was the moment where there was gonna be the CPR given to a country that still had breath.
	People still knew there was a country we're defending.
	People still knew that this isn't going to work.
	And here's why.
	Here's what's happening.
	These L.A.
	riots.
	This guy was beat.
	The media completely lied about what happened to Rodney King.
	After the acquittal, we saw riots all across the country, how bad they were in L.A.
	And then we see when O.J.
	is acquitted by nine, by again, it's jury nullification, nine blacks on the jury.
	And one of them actually flashed a black power fist as he came out.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And then I and the story about Cochran replacing all the pictures in the house with You know, the white people, the pictures of the white people with pictures of black people, that actually happened.
	That's not just something they made up for TV.
	Yeah, because it was O.J.
	playing golf with a bunch of white people and white friends.
	I guarantee you that there's a photo somewhere of Trump and O.J.
	playing golf in the 80s and 90s, early 90s.
	There's no way there's not.
	They probably hung out and talked.
	And they laughed.
	Because again, O.J.
	was that individual who, beyond any other celebrity, I mean, you think about the 80s, and you've already mentioned Michael Jordan.
	So O.J.
	had retired.
	He was a celebrated Heisman Trophy winner in the late 1960s for the USC Trojans, plays for the Bills, and then he tries to transition into Hollywood.
	He does successfully.
	He does Hertz commercials.
	I mean, again, who's doing Hertz commercials now for the NFL?
	Tom Brady.
	So think about that.
	Hertz was positioning O.J.
	Simpson in the same role that Tom Brady plays now for corporate America.
	And he's basically turned his back.
	I mean, again, it's almost like when I've read about Ted Turner a lot and how he never did anything to support civil rights in Atlanta, to his everlasting credit, by the way.
	And O.J., there's never any record up until The trial, all of his friends were white.
	He hung around exclusively with white people, you know, and he was that individual who was going to help create, hey, you know what?
	If you're, you know, this is why integration of collegiate athletes is going to work, because you know what?
	Yeah, your daughter, hopefully she's going to marry a white guy when she goes off to state U, but if she doesn't, she's going to marry a white guy, a black guy like OJ Simpson.
	Isn't that a good thing?
	And then look what happened to Nicole Brown Simpson.
	She turned into a PEZ dispenser, courtesy of OJ.
	And I mean, it's and I think I was able to find an article that read Mr. Hood and I couldn't believe that I found this.
	I was just kind of researching and I found.
	Blacks' reactions in San Diego and L.A.
	You can actually see the videos.
	I encourage all of our listeners right now to pause, go to Google, and type in, Blacks celebrate O.J.
	verdict, San Diego.
	Blacks celebrate O.J.
	verdict, L.A.
	And just listen to how venomous these Blacks are as they're being interviewed, and they're celebrating in the streets.
	You can actually watch.
	Have you seen the one where It is the Oprah Show, and Oprah's show, they were two, Oprah's show was five, and all of a sudden they're showing the verdict, and you just see black women, black people stand up and they're celebrating, and the look of disconsolation, the look of shock, the look of incredulity on the faces of whites, it's a- Especially with Oprah, because, I mean, that was, for white women,
	That was their little guru.
	That was their little priest.
	That was the person who, that's the friendly black woman who's going to tell them that everything, that their feelings are important and everything matters and everything they think is valid.
	And also we're going to have these kind of like mushy left-wing ideas and all be one America together.
	And then to have it happen right there in front of your face on something that core to your feelings and your identity and everything that you, you hold sacred, like right in your face, like, yeah, One of ours killed one of yours and got away with it.
	What do you think of that?
	I mean, it's it is some pretty visceral footage.
	And we just saw a woman on CNN and a member of the Obama administration was part of his campaign.
	She came out and she basically said what she just said.
	Blacks felt a connection because he killed two white people.
	Yeah.
	And you're watching this like and you're like, oh, OK.
	I mean, I'm not surprised by that.
	You're not surprised by that.
	No, but I don't know how many people listening to this are going to be surprised by that.
	But.
	The key is that I think more people understand that now, but at the time, it's not that, well, people knew, but they were afraid to say or something like that.
	You're talking about people who have literally never thought about this stuff before, because you're still dealing with a country which is overwhelmingly white, which means that you're not, unless you're living in a black neighborhood or something, you're just not dealing with blacks that often.
	And the blacks that you are dealing with are generally going to behave like white people because they're in largely white settings and they're going to talk like you and they're going to act like you and they're going to respect your social conventions and they're going to be the assimilated blacks that all the woke programming makes fun of now.
	And OJ Simpson was actually like a perfect model of that.
	And so the idea that these people that you were trained your entire life To think we're just like you.
	And keep in mind, back then, anti-racism meant being colorblind.
	To not see race is what it meant to be anti-racist.
	To see race was to be a bad person.
	It was to be David Duke.
	It was to be Adolf Hitler.
	It was to be all these things.
	But then to see the friendly black people, especially the people you work with, and go to school with, and go to church with, and go to your Oprah audience tapings with, and the mask just comes off and it's like, yeah, we killed you and we think it's hilarious.
	Like, that, I think, broke a lot of white people, and while some people awoke to the reality of race, many, many more, I think, averted their eyes, because, I mean, it's like something out of Lovecraft.
	You would go mad upon such a revelation like that, because you basically have to admit that everything you've been taught your entire life was wrong, and that they've been lying to you all this time, or you can flee into the peace and safety of a new dark age, which I think is what most people did.
	Yeah, you know, I, again, I was at lunch, I remember, again, I think this is sixth grade in 85, I'm at lunch, and the verdict was read.
	And I think at first, because I went to a very, very white school, middle school, and I remember they didn't want to tell us what happened.
	We did have the TV on, it wasn't the PA system.
	Because there was actually a fear that there were going to be riots again.
	I'm sure you remember this.
	There was a conscious fear throughout the country that if the verdict went the wrong way, it was going to be once again a moment where blacks were going to be shown there couldn't be justice.
	Because again, what happened in the L.A.
	riots?
	What happened with Rodney King, the four white cops who allegedly beat him?
	Of course, we know that the footage didn't show him attacking the cops and stuff.
	That was airing on CNN.
	There was a great fear that there were going to be riots, that blacks were going to be upset, and they would take it out on white people.
	And when everything happened, I remember we went back to our classes, and there was just this disbelief among the teachers, among everyone.
	Like, what just happened?
	Like, what?
	Yeah, that's the biggest thing that I don't think would repeat now.
	The nice white liberals, the people who you think of as sort of the bedrock of the liberal coalition now, you know, the affluent white female liberals, especially females.
	Your teachers, your librarians, your government workers, your lawyers, your social workers, your reporters even.
	Like these types of people, the kind of lower rungs of the managerial state, the people who define themselves by their views and define themselves as thinking that they're better than you and we can all just kind of, if I say the right combination of fuzzy little words, all our problems go away.
	Those were the people hit the hardest.
	Because those were the people who saw themselves basically as the murder victim.
	And a lot of this media coverage and a lot of the, I mean, I hate to stereotype here, but let's be blunt, the type of people who really get into like studying serial killers and true crime and all this kind of stuff tend to be girls.
	And they like these kinds of things.
	This is like what they like to read and everything else.
	It's just, I'm not saying that like men don't do it too, but it, I have found that it tends to be a predominantly female base in terms of who cares about this stuff.
	And if you look at the media coverage then, it was mostly directed toward women.
	I mean, especially cause we're talking about daytime TV and that's who the audience was like Oprah, as you said.
	And certainly you had these, the courtroom dramas and the special magazines and the television specials and the late night things and everything else.
	It was mostly women who were watching this, but it was also because it was kind of a relatable story for women who are afraid of violent male aggression.
	I mean, at the end of the day, what was this a story about?
	An ex-wife being murdered by her former husband who, it seemed fair to assume, was driven mad by jealousy.
	And I don't think that women were being totally unreasonable in seeing themselves in that situation in some sense.
	And so then, you define yourself by the correct opinions, you believe all the right things.
	On the surface, actually, the progressive thing is that women are going to show solidarity for one of their own.
	Because remember, most of the jury was also women.
	And that was a strategy on the part of the prosecution.
	Because Marsha Clark figured that women would show solidarity with the female victim and take a hard line on a man who killed his ex-wife.
	As Steve Saylor pointed out on Twitter just the other day, what she didn't understand is that the minute the white girl was out of the picture, black women thought that she got what was coming to her, and now it's a story about race again.
	Once the white girl's out of the picture, now he's one of us.
	That female solidarity, that sisterhood, that is not there.
	Race trumps it.
	Especially once the white girl's gone, and especially once he sort of symbolically reclaimed his membership as a black person by killing off the white girl who got in the way, right?
	Marsha Clarke Scamble was totally wrong, and she's another example of One of these people who have the right opinions, very fashionable.
	Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to do this.
	I'm going to structure everything to be the, this progressive thing and everything else.
	I'm going to make these assumptions and your assumptions are 180 from the way the world actually works.
	And all these white women who had these assumptions about the way the world works, had it just rubbed in their face in the most humiliating and visceral way possible.
	And if you really take a step back and think about it, If you're, if you're a white woman, I mean, it's pretty hard for us to think about this, but try, you know, as a white woman, if you pictured yourself as Nicole Brown Simpson, like, guess what?
	All those blacks that you think are your friends, all those blacks that you think are like your fuzzy little buddies that TV told you where you were friendly and happy and like have your best interest.
	They think it's hilarious if you get murdered and they think it's nothing short of a scream.
	If they get away with it and they are going to vote to do that again and again and again.
	And they are laughing and cheering in your face right now.
	I mean, it must've been something like out of a horror movie for them.
	Yeah.
	I found an article that I, I, I thought I remember reading in the Atlanta journal.
	Uh, and I found it, it was, it's on a record net and cause I was just trying to find articles about, How black celebrated the verdict and just a couple of choice lines are just, it's fascinating to read this because you almost want to put this into a bottle and throw it into the ocean.
	Uh, you know, cause a hundred years from now, white people will probably still, unless something drastic happens, they're still going to be like, yeah, but I know a good one.
	You know, that's not true.
	I've got, I've got a black friend, you know, come on, you can't, you can't, you can't judge people by the content of their character or their, or the color of their skin, because that's, it's both racist either way, but.
	Anyways, the article has some great lines.
	This is from the Atlanta Journal from October 4th, 1995.
	Right on OJ. We were with you, members of an African American business organization,
	watching the verdict at a conference room cried out. The juice is loose, an African American
	construction worker exulted as he crossed a downtown street where a nearby group
	was setting up a celebratory cookout on a subway platform.
	An African-American woman hoisted aloft the front page of the Atlanta Journal, hot off the press final edition so that writers on a passing train, Marta, could learn O.J.
	had been freed.
	Tipping it from side to side, she sang out the headline, and get it again, not guilty, not guilty.
	And therein lies a lesson, said the Reverend Joseph Lowry, president of the Atlanta-based Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
	That, of course, is MLK's group.
	I think white people have to take a new look, he said, at how aggrieved and pained the black community is about our criminal justice system.
	And then it would go on to quote one more person.
	Larry Lewis, who works for an anti-drug program called Wings of Hope, described his own reaction when the verdicts were read.
	I wanted to dance.
	You've got to understand, he said, OJ came out of the same neighborhoods most of us did.
	I can identify with him.
	That wasn't all, though, offering an explanation repeated by many African-Americans in interviews.
	Yes, the judicial system acquitted Simpson, but that also confirmed their doubts all along and proved that he should not have been charged, let alone tried in a blinding media glare.
	On Atlanta's Auburn Avenue, the street where Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
	grew up and is buried, preparations for a joyous sidewalk party quickly began.
	I'm sorry.
	Let me put it on mute.
	That's too good.
	Let me read this again.
	On Atlanta's Auburn Avenue, the street where Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
	grew up and is buried, preparations for a joyous sidewalk party quickly began.
	Let freedom ring, Joe Carter said, echoing the words of a patriotic song the King himself had borrowed to exhort African Americans a generation ago.
	Then he wheeled out a barbecue grill.
	I gotta finish this.
	I gotta finish this.
	Then this black guy wheels out a barbecue grill.
	People are celebrating today, Carter said, because justice did prevail.
	Mr. Hood, I remember reading this article back in 1995, and I was in disbelief, because I would always read the paper every morning.
	I'd read the front page, business, the sports page, and then I'd read the life section, because that had the funnies, and I love reading Gary Larson's The Far Side and that kind of stuff.
	But anyways, reading this right now, this is like the ultimate Gary Larson Far Side, because I mean, again, they're on Auburn Avenue in Atlanta.
	At that point, Atlanta was almost 70% black.
	I mean, white people in the suburbs of Atlanta, you didn't go.
	It was in hushed tones, like, oh God, we have to go to Atlanta?
	Like, no.
	This is before the Olympics destroyed the Section 8 housing within Atlanta, and blacks were dispersed all around metro Atlanta.
	But the fact that they're having barbecues And they're celebrating this manner and they're saying that, oh yeah, the justice system is racist, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's just, you're looking at this and I, again, it's, it's just fascinating to me, the failure of the, uh, of the right at this point to really take this on.
	And as you mentioned, Oklahoma City- There really was not a reaction from the American right at that point where you would expect, I mean, again, this was at the time when you had some, I mean, Duke is the only one that really comes to mind as explicit.
	And Jared Taylor has talked about this, that after Duke got elected, he was kind of saying, and now other people are going to step forward.
	People who, you know, don't have like a background in the Klan or whatever else.
	And, you know, now you're going to get more people who are going to get elected running on a more mainstream pro-white message.
	But nobody did.
	You didn't see any movement on this from the American right at the time, even though the right was basically totally ascendant at this point.
	I mean, after the Republican revolution, I mean, people were talking about a whole new epic in American history.
	I mean, that's how big a deal the contract with America, Newt Gingrich taking power and all the rest of it was.
	I mean, Clinton looked like a lame duck two years into his first term and yet nothing happened.
	And it's sort of indicative of everything that happened for the rest of the decade where You had this thing just kind of like lying there in front of everyone and I mean I hate to use the same old metaphor but the crown lying in the gutter and nobody took it up and you had the most outrageous things being said by blacks and you had a time you could really reach out to white people and and hit him where it hurts I mean hit him in their their deepest feelings because everybody was talking about this I mean again I'm from
	North Jersey.
	I mean, it's not, I mean, I know what they say about like some neighborhoods in North Jersey and everything else.
	And there's, there's an element of that, but I mean, at the end of the day, I'm from the suburbs and this is not like the most rock ribbed conservative area.
	I mean, this is a blue state and you could have reached these white liberals, but they just said nothing.
	And we all just kind of went back to the same illusions.
	And I think there was sort of a, A collective agreement among white people to just forget the whole incident.
	Just pretend it never happened and that everybody was gripped by a kind of madness or like, well, it was just like, you know, it's the crazy media and I don't know, like maybe the tabloids drove everybody nuts and that's it.
	And we just kind of forget about it.
	And then we all kind of engaged in the same game when Obama got elected.
	And you saw people, I mean, we knew his background coming in.
	We knew his background with Reverend Wright.
	We knew his background with all of these racially-identitarian preachers and activists and the fact that his whole life had basically been defined by these kind of black grievance politics and everything else.
	But we all just collectively decided to pretend that nope, This is, he's like OJ pre-murder, right?
	He's one of these figures that's going to transcend race.
	In President Biden's words, he's clean, he's articulate, and you know, don't charge that against me.
	That's what the president of these United States has to say about his predecessor.
	And he's going to unite us all and get us past race.
	I'll never forget one of our old colleagues at the Leadership Institute telling me that after Obama won, well, at least no one will call us racist anymore.
	At least now we'll get past race that's like no now the floodgates are truly opened because now the idea of pushing back is actually unimaginable.
	It could have been done 10 years ago or 15 years ago, but it wasn't and now it's too late.
	And this is this is really where it all began in many ways because I think with the OJ Simpson trial.
	There's nobody in the country.
	There's nobody who was of the age of reason said at that time who doesn't remember it.
	If only because your favorite TV shows or if you were a little kid, I'm like my kid brother and stuff like that.
	Your favorite TV shows were basically taken off the air because they wanted to watch this boring trial and stuff like that.
	It affected your life and you had an opinion about it because you had to have an opinion about it because there was just nothing else to talk about.
	I mean, I'll actually...
	Go to the mat on this.
	I think it was a bigger deal than COVID in terms of media.
	Because when COVID was going on, you had a divided media climate, and you also had other stories.
	You had COVID, but then you had George Floyd, and Black Lives Matter, and you had the election, and you had the riots, and you had all these things.
	With the OJ thing, it was just OJ.
	That was it.
	It was 24 hours a day.
	It was just the only thing there was to talk about.
	And it was also the moment when you had kind of like soft tabloid journalism.
	You remember this?
	Sort of like the shows that weren't quite reputable, but those were the ones who started getting the ratings.
	And so cable news and then eventually network news sort of turned into tabloid media.
	Yeah.
	And so this idea of sort of opinion journalism and the journalist is talking head and the journalist is somebody who channels the emotional core of the audience.
	As opposed to telling you what happened.
	Like all of this kind of began with this.
	Yeah.
	No, it's, it's looking back, I'm even thinking about just what it did.
	And, and we mentioned before, uh, Saturday Night Live.
	I mean, really American never recovered when you break it down.
	No, America never recovered, but you had, you had one person, I would argue that if you look back and I'm kind of shocked that there hasn't been a book come out.
	A book published.
	A book published.
	It's terrible grammar.
	Not a book come out.
	But a book published that just looks at Norm MacDonald's unbelievable SNL monologues about the OJ case.
	Because he would just, again, he's documenting all this insanity.
	And he's just like, we all know OJ did it.
	Like, when OJ was acquitted, the first thing that he said on his monologue, you know, on the weekly news there, the little skit that they did on SNL, he said, well, it's official.
	Murder is legal in the state of California.
	Everybody knew, and this is what white people were watching, and Norm, you know, he just died a couple years ago of cancer, sadly.
	Never told anybody about it, but he was always that one person who was really pushing back, and there's an amazing ESPY Awards, one of the first ESPY Awards.
	Oh yeah, I knew you were going to get to this.
	I was going to bring it up if you didn't, but go for it.
	It's incredible because he, for some reason, Norm Macdonald hosts the SB and he's there grilling this, I think 97, 98, because Charles Woodson had won the Heisman.
	And I believe that was 97 that he won the Heisman.
	So it's 98.
	And you know, this is, this is, this is three years after OJ and he's still making fun of OJ Simpson.
	He's like, Hey, don't worry.
	You know, they're not going to take your Heisman trophy away unless you kill your wife.
	And they didn't show it.
	And all the black celebrities are mad except for Ken Griffey Jr.
	oddly enough.
	Everyone's kind of like, oh yeah, it's funny.
	They're all kind of laughing.
	They're like, can we laugh?
	It's almost like that great scene when...
	Bruce Jenner becomes Caitlyn and Brett Favre got in trouble because, just like in Solzhenitsyn, whoever stops clapping is the one that gets in trouble.
	Always be the last one clapping.
	And with that episode, Brett Favre got attacked for kind of clapping for a few seconds for Bruce Jenner.
	I'm not going to call him Caitlyn.
	I don't believe in transgenderism.
	I think it's a mental illness.
	I think white people have a mental illness for not... Not even a mental illness.
	It's just like some sick fetish.
	Yeah, I agree.
	This is not a podcast about people's sick fetishes, except for white women who want to watch true crime crap.
	Anyways, no, but the point is the OJ thing, that was the moment.
	And Norm Macdonald was, he was channeling something.
	I would love to go back and look at the SNL ratings.
	That was probably The best days for the ratings were still very important.
	In fact, he wrote an autobiography where he basically said he was fired because OJ was friends with one of the main executive producers or one of the higher-ups with NBC.
	And they're like, hey, can you cool it with the OJ jokes?
	Like, you can't do this.
	Even then, it's like you're pushing too hard.
	And I mean, the jokes are, again, I've encouraged you, all of our listeners, to go to YouTube and type in O.J.
	Verdict, Blacks Reaction San Diego, O.J.
	Verdict, Black Reaction Los Angeles.
	They're all celebrating.
	They're like, hey, this is, you know, again, you're trying to put an innocent brother away.
	This is what you've done.
	Basically, O.J.
	was an avatar for every black individual who had ever been convicted of a crime because they believed that it was, no, they didn't commit a crime.
	This judicial system is full and replete with white racists.
	I'm going to defend our white sisters from your slander that they are wrong for getting into true crime, because I will say this.
	I think what is fascinating about this, particularly when it comes to true crime, because the thing with true crime is, objectively, it is interesting because it's things that, God willing, most of us are not going to have to experience in terms of murder and The depths of human depravity and all the rest of it, but with something like this for everybody's talking about it.
	It was an interesting window into the way the legal system actually works because remember we were all I mean, I was basically a kid but old enough that I knew what was going on and everybody.
	Was talking, I mean, I'm talking about this with my family and stuff.
	Everybody was talking about like legal stratagems and you know, well, what about this piece of evidence?
	And then if you look at this and what, what does reasonable doubt really mean?
	And I remember people getting all confident because the juries, the liberations were relatively brief, which are usually seen as if I'm recalled as correctly, which is usually seen as good for the prosecution because that they're not trying to talk it out.
	They're not saying that.
	We need to look at more pieces of evidence in detail and whatever else.
	But in reality, all of those things didn't matter.
	All of the complicated legal strategies didn't matter.
	All these, you know, when you're in fifth or sixth grade, whenever it was, and you're hearing all these Latin terms that sound so exotic and weird, none of that matters.
	What the judge does doesn't matter.
	What the prosecution is talking about doesn't matter.
	What the evidence says doesn't matter.
	It really is as simple as Well, the jury's black, and they think it's funny that a black guy got away with it.
	I mean, there was a juror, I think it was Enwokeness, and also I think maybe Keith Woods and some other people on X were reposting this older clip, where it was a black juror saying something along the lines of 90% of the jury thought he was guilty, but thought it was more important that they send a message, basically, that white America has a coming, that blacks need to stick together.
	And it is...
	I think it's important for people to understand that that's the way power is actually exercised.
	Have whatever rules of evidence you want, you can have whatever constitution you want, you can have whatever legal requirements you want.
	I mean, the whole illusion of liberalism is the idea that we can solve political questions through technics, essentially.
	Through technique, really.
	That we can just have certain education requirements, and certain levels of skill, and if we just bring everybody up to there, there won't really be any problems.
	It's just a question of doing things efficiently, or correctly, or scientifically.
	But actually, What really happens in a system like this is the lowest forms of tribalism and the lowest forms of prejudice and the lowest forms of bias end up getting supreme power because you can overcome all of these things.
	You can sweep through all institutional barriers and the OJ Simpson trial was one of the ultimate examples because never before in American history did you have such intense Attention paid to every single aspect of a trial with people agonizing people building entire careers just commenting on this one trial and all the different thing lawyers would do and all remember the dream team that OJ had and all the you know all the money behind him and everything else.
	Kardashian.
	All the things that they were going to do and in the end All it was a question of was stack the demographics, so it's a mostly black jury, and understand, unlike Marsha Clark, that black women don't care if white women get killed.
	And in fact, if it's a black defendant, they think it's probably a good thing.
	Done.
	That's actually how the law works.
	There's really nothing else to talk about.
	No, and I mean, just again, this is this is this is sort of the whole thing when you put into perspective again, why sports have played such a detrimental role, professional sports and collegiate sports, because again, 100 percent, because it gave us the whole illusion of the post racial character.
	Exactly.
	You have you have the integration of the Southeastern Conference, which, again, In 1962, when James Meredith was trying to integrate University of Mississippi, you had a riot.
	White people actually rioted.
	You had to have the National Guard called in.
	Kennedy sent in troops.
	We all know what happened in Little Rock in 57.
	White people were trying to stop all this.
	And the SEC, the Southeastern Conference, didn't integrate until the late 1960s, early 70s.
	University of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, University of Georgia.
	And a lot of the top black athletes from the South, they were recruited to go play for
	Michigan State, for other schools all across the country.
	Famously back in 1971, I believe, Southern California played Alabama in Tuscaloosa, and
	an all-white Alabama team lost 42-21.
	And afterwards, that was sort of the story that has been told, apocryphal, that Bear Bryant then decided, well, we've got to start recruiting black athletes.
	He went in, and the leading rusher for USC was a guy named Sam Cunningham, who was from Birmingham, but he couldn't get recruited.
	by any of the white schools in the South, so we had to go play for Southern California.
	The next year, people forget this, the next year an almost all-white Alabama team went out to LA and
	and they crushed USC.
	So, one year, a loss by an integrated USC team against an all-white Alabama team was enough to justify, oh yeah, let's start recruiting black athletes.
	We have to have them.
	And now, of course, you look at these SEC teams, the schools are predominantly white, overwhelmingly white in most cases.
	But the teams, it's like, wow, 20 of 22 starters are black?
	Like, it's just so weird to look at all this.
	And, you know, one of the things you and I were kind of joking about,
	well, this is not a joke, take that back.
	We were talking about what happened at Baylor.
	There was a football coach who famously was fired for, you know, bringing a lot of these thugs to Baylor.
	And the joke was how people reacted.
	Yeah, well, it turns out that one of his assistant coaches told black players,
	hey, listen, if you come here, you're going to have access to a lot of the most beautiful,
	blonde-haired blue-eyed women you'll ever meet.
	Come, come out, come to Baylor.
	We've got the most.
	There's definitely an element of fetishism and a lot of these things.
	And I mean, one could, I hate to psychoanalyze somebody's relationship, especially one that ended the way it did.
	But I mean, OJ was married once before, I believe to a black woman.
	Am I right about that?
	I believe.
	And I'll check real quick.
	Yeah, I'll pass.
	I'm talking here.
	Jamie, pull that up.
	And then he marries blonde white woman.
	And he does this as part of a campaign that was noticed by blacks at the time where he was essentially trying to assimilate to being a de facto white celebrity.
	And then it all just kind of like falls apart.
	And that's how his blackness is reclaimed.
	That's how we began this conversation.
	And to some extent, that's really the whole story of American race relations ever since the Civil Rights Movement, because it's sold to us under false pretenses, which is this idea that, well, actually, they're just like you.
	That, you know, first they tell us, well, there's no such thing as race.
	And if you just integrate them, John Derbyshire talks about this, how absolutely everybody at the time, everybody thought that if you just get rid of segregation, if you just get rid of all these laws, then blacks are going to assimilate to not just white culture, but they're going to hit white levels of achievement and wealth and lower levels of crime and whatever else, poverty, all this, that it was all going to happen.
	It was all going to happen very fast.
	And of course, none of that happens.
	And so what we have to do, because we can't challenge the premise, we have to keep moving back our presumptions here.
	We have to keep saying, well, we can't possibly say that groups are different.
	We're just going to rule that as false, as a matter of faith.
	So therefore, we have to look even further for what could be holding everybody back.
	And so now we have gone into the realm of what is almost theological.
	Implications where racism is this specter that hides in a quote invisible knapsack or in institutions or it doesn't matter if white people think they're anti-racist they're still racist or it doesn't matter if you don't see color or you actually do see color it's hiding everywhere you can never get rid of it and therefore this hunt for the devil will never really go away and it's a struggle that can never be won because this the spirit is within all of us And you get the feeling that even if white people disappeared altogether, as they have in some places like Zimbabwe or Haiti, the concern about racism doesn't go away.
	Like, they're still freaking out about racism in places like this, even though all this crusade has ever done has made everybody's lives worse.
	And this is sort of the story of OJ, where you have somebody who white society essentially adopted him, and he was willing to be adopted.
	Basically say this is our all American guy.
	This is somebody who we're going to hold up as not just a beloved athlete as a movie star with I mean, let's face it incredible charisma as somebody but as somebody who was basically seen as a role model, I think and and somebody who You know, if you were of a conservative mindset, maybe in your darker moments, you would say something like, well, this is a separation from the kind of Muhammad Ali style of the black athlete who's confronting America about racism.
	No, he's smiling.
	He's one of us.
	He's all American.
	He's this, that, and the other thing.
	And then it's like, nope, actually, this is all a fantasy.
	Actually, all this is there.
	And every time something like this happens, all the problems that you think were buried come right out again, like the undead.
	And I think that moment of revelation, when the verdict was announced, and especially when nice white liberals saw what their black friends really think about them, especially white women, I think it broke them in a way that they've never really recovered from.
	And I think that they couldn't, they can't look that fact honestly in the face and still remain who they are.
	So therefore, they're never going to look that fact in the face.
	It's not like many people really changed their minds as a result of that.
	It simply woke up people, some people like us, to the fact that race existed.
	Because the more I think about it, and I've been thinking about it a lot over this last week, I'd have to point to that as my racial awakening.
	Because I can't.
	We're at the perfect age.
	Was I right about OJ and his first marriage?
	Yeah, you're right about O.J.
	He was married to a black woman named Marguerite back in 1967.
	He had three children.
	He then met Nicole Brown in... Yeah, of course I was right.
	Yeah, because, of course, that was one of the speculations that his kid did.
	Yeah, so, I mean, the most fascinating thing is There have been moments in American history where everybody said, you know, at some point people are going to wake up.
	At some point there's that moment that there's just this transcendent reality that just overwhelms everyone.
	Should have been, you know, in our lifetime we've had a couple.
	I'll be blunt, 9-11 should have been the moment where we said borders are closed, all Muslims are kicked out, you know, any Somalian, it's over.
	Like, what's going on here?
	We should have really re-evaluated not just foreign policy but immigration, but of course Whatever political capital came from the attacks was just subsequently just thrown out.
	We don't need to get into that.
	Point is, OJ was the moment where white people should have realized, wow, okay, this was journey nullification.
	We all know that this guy did it.
	We all know.
	We all know he did it.
	And yet blacks are celebrating and we're told that white people are wrong to notice the jury nullification.
	I'm reading this amazing essay in Washington Post that was published in 1995 by a black law professor by the name of Paul Butler, who taught criminal law at George Washington University.
	He was a federal prosecutor from 1990 to 1993.
	1990 to 1993. And he wrote right after the verdict on October 7, 1995, he wrote this in
	the Washington Post when, again, let's be blunt, at this point, the Washington Post was, with the
	New York Times, the most important newspaper in the entire world. And he wrote this.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Give me one second.
	I'm sorry.
	Certainly, journaling nullification is anti-democratic.
	That's why I like it.
	It's the only legal remedy African Americans have to free ourselves from the tyranny of the majority.
	We had to beg Mr. Lincoln to give us the right not to be slaves.
	We had to plead with the Congress to allow us to vote.
	We had to convince the Supreme Court to let our children go to integrated schools.
	We're now busy begging white people for programs that will allow our children to eat and our businesses to survive.
	At least we see as jurors, we have real power to disagree with what the government tells us justice is.
	According to what I read in the newspaper, white people are pretty angry these days.
	The blacks freed OJ Simpson, right?
	You people in the white majority, it's your move next.
	You'll probably have another one of your riots at the ballot box, electing people who will put us in our place.
	For the future of our country, I recommend a different choice.
	If you keep locking us up, soon and very soon, we will go the direction of all of the oppressed.
	You can put your tanks in the city square and we will walk right up because we have nothing left to lose.
	I'll end there because the rest of the part is pretty boring where he says we should have bilateral talks and stuff, but white people don't get to have any say when it comes to our interests, so there's never going to be bilateral talks.
	We have to be absorbed.
	The point is, Blacks knew what this moment represented and white people failed because there was no concise, you know, guess what?
	AR had had their first conference in 94, I believe, which was aired on, I think it was aired on C-SPAN.
	Yeah, C-SPAN.
	And you had everything there.
	And then, of course, in April, you had, of 95, you had the Oklahoma City attack, which neutered, destroyed, you know, the whole militia movement and stuff and whatever was going on.
	But then this happens, and blacks are just basically telling you, yeah, this is what's going to happen.
	We've got you in a vice.
	There's nothing you can do because you have nobody who's going to advocate for you.
	We have said that the justice system in America is racist.
	With overwhelming evidence showing that OJ did it, nine black jurors out of 12 got this guy off.
	They bragged about it.
	White people basically looked at this and said, huh, I guess we can just don't need to invite anyone like O.J.
	over to our barbecue anymore.
	We can just retreat back to our suburb and we'll just we'll keep abandoning city after city.
	But we're going to keep watching sports, though, because we like sports.
	And again, I'm not going to lie.
	I love I love watching collegiate football.
	It's an amazing it's an amazing sport.
	And and that's my everlasting shame.
	It should be because, again, I'm inviting images of blacks like O.J.
	into my house that, again, without collegiate sports, they wouldn't exist.
	All we'd have is this endless parade of, of teens robbing and doing
	horrible violence in our major cities.
	But OJ, OJ was the moment where white America should have said no more.
	Again, we've said that the most powerful N-word is not the N-word, but it's no.
	And OJ should have been the moment where everyone's like, okay, there's something really wrong here that our country is, we're fearful of more LA riots, which were, again, they were refreshing the mind of people from three years prior.
	And had OJ, I mean, here's a question for you, Mr. Hood.
	Do you think had OJ been found guilty, would there have been riots?
	I don't know.
	That is a good question.
	I'm not sure because One might say that it would have been more of an awakening, I guess, if he had been convicted and then he saw a Blacks' riot, because I think it was so monolithic among whites, particularly white liberals, and especially if it came after the LA riots, that I think whites would have just been sick of it.
	But one of the big problems with whites is that, particularly whites in the Anglosphere, is sort of this naive trust in institutions as such.
	If it goes through, like what I said about liberalism and technics, If it goes through an institution, if it goes through a bureaucracy, it's somehow sanctified by this and somehow made true.
	And so we have to say things like, well, it went through the process and he was acquitted by a jury of his peers.
	Therefore, he's innocent.
	And the obvious point is if you say, oh, well, this guy got elected or, oh, this guy got acquitted.
	Well, who elected him?
	Who acquitted him?
	Who are the people who are actually holding power in these institutions?
	Who are the people who are actually making decisions here?
	Because bureaucracy is not.
	It's not proof of efficacy and certainly not proof of truth.
	And I think that.
	Maybe you would have had more of an awakening had that scenario come about, but unfortunately, I don't think you could have scripted a scenario to wake people up on a greater, more widespread, more magnifying glass on it from every level of American pop culture than the O.J.
	Simpson trial.
	And was there a great awakening?
	No.
	No, there was not.
	And that by itself tells us a lot About the viability of any kind of political strategy where you say, we're going to educate the masses and then at some point, some magical point X, everything happens.
	I think it is going to have to be a dedicated minority that actually takes action and does things, because if you're waiting for people to wake up, they're never going to wake up.
	And if the O.J.
	Simpson trial didn't prove that, I don't think anything will.
	Let's call it there for now.
	I want to thank everybody for joining us.
	I'm Gregor Hood.
	Thank you, Paul.
	Thank you for being with me again, and thank you all for listening.
	We're really having a good time doing this, and we always want to hear your feedback.

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