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March 26, 2024 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Hey everyone, welcome to View from the Right.
I'm Gregory Hood.
I'm here with Paul Kersey and today we have a pretty interesting topic.
We're going to talk about Kyle Rittenhouse.
Not that which made him famous or infamous in some quarters, but his new career speaking for Turning Point USA on college campuses.
And there was a particularly interesting speaking event at the University of Memphis.
I can't even say the city's name without laughing because there's a pretty strong case it's the worst city in the country.
But it basically led to a riot, and I think that that might even be less interesting than the confrontation he had with students.
So, Paul, thanks for being with me.
I mean, it's pretty incredible that this is what higher education is at this point, this is what conservative activism is at this point, this is what left-wing activism is at this point, and this is also all taking place in one of the reddest of red states.
Yeah, you know, a lot of the gun manufacturers have left Connecticut, New York, and they've gone to South Carolina, Tennessee, Remington, most famously, I want to say Marlin, a number of fabric nationals.
Yeah, they bailed from New York and Connecticut and places like that.
Where they were founded 200 years ago, but it's no longer tenable to be there.
Yeah, you just can't do business.
Yeah, I mean, in New York, Basically a court just said well your your gun laws were wrong and they just made their their gun laws when it comes to constitutional carry and Concealed carry so so difficult to attain and it's it's one of the situations where it's really fun to see but you just you have to wonder the long-term ramification of these moves because of the demographic changes are happening in these states already, but you know, Tennessee is
Is one of the states that is fundamentally sound when it comes to demographics.
I mean, hey, listen, it's WrestleMania season.
You and I are big pro wrestling fans.
Glenn Jacobs is the mayor of Knox County, Knoxville, Tennessee.
And he, of course, portrayed Kane.
And he portrayed Kane in the World Wrestling Federation, WWE.
Of course, before then, he was Isaac Ankham, DDS, and the fake Diesel.
But that's getting way too in the weeds at the WWE.
Yeah, where are you going with this?
But I'm going with this.
I'm pointing this out, is that Tennessee is a very, very, very, as you said, It might be the reddest state in the union.
It doesn't seem to make a difference.
I mean, this is sort of my point is that you have, I mean, let's set the stage here.
Basically what happened is it was on Wednesday night.
He spoke at the local chapter of Turning Point USA and he went directly into Q&A mode and he answered questions for about half an hour.
Now, Turning Point USA alleges that there was some shenanigans with the ticketing thing,
where they basically denied it to their guys and made it so only opponents could get tickets.
They came in, they asked some hostile questions.
I'll get into that in a second.
He took questions for half an hour, then he stopped.
This was then reported as he stormed off stage, where he was like chased off by hecklers,
which if you see the video, doesn't really seem to be the case.
It's just him answering questions and saying, this is the last question.
Then he leaves and people start screaming.
And then after that, people started going nuts.
They started chasing the conservative attendees that were there.
They started attacking people.
The police We're sort of protecting people, but the usual thing that we see with the left is basically you're allowed to run wild.
And then there were some taunting messages about, you know, oh, Kyle Rittenhouse, don't ever come back here.
And you saw, I think one college student was like, oh, this shows he's a coward.
And it's like, okay, I mean, this shot's a bunch of people who tried to kill him.
Like, you've never faced opposition in your entire life.
And barring radical change, you never will.
But the idea that This is a red state doesn't seem to make an impact because college campuses are sort of like the way college campuses were in Greece, where the police just don't really have a say there.
The state just extends up to the borders of academia and it goes no farther.
They're just as left wing as anywhere else.
Now, Memphis too.
I mean, if we're talking about cities, Memphis is extremely hard left.
The crime rate is through the roof.
It doesn't seem to make a difference.
It seems that the people there are pretty happy with the way things are, and certainly saw people bragging about it after the Kyle Rittenhouse event.
I want to get into what some of these things were.
The question that they thought was so great was, they asked him, is Charlie Kirk racist?
This was like the question that was reported as like, oh, he was shut down with a fact check, but it's just, hey, I think your boss is racist.
And They said some of the stuff that Charlie Kirk had said in the past, calling Contingent Brown-Jackson an affirmative action hire, Supreme Court Justice, which of course she is, condemning Jude Teeth, condemning Martin Luther King Jr., which of course was a major thing of growth in the conservative movement where you actually have people pushing back against Martin Luther King Jr., which is something we would have dreamed of a decade ago.
And then they said, well, are these racist statements?
And he said something like, well, I don't know anything about that.
And then just kind of looked smug and didn't answer and they started screaming, it's a yes or no question, like answer the question.
And that was it.
Like that was the great big shutdown.
Basically they gave him a S, I'm not going to curse on the air because this is a family podcast, but an S test and he passed it.
He didn't go for it.
He didn't condemn his boss.
He didn't apologize.
He didn't start cloaking everything in terms of the real racist or whatever else.
And, That was it.
Now, it should be noted, too.
I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse is not exactly a hard right guy.
There was an incident a few months ago where I believe Nick Fuentes was invited to some event in Texas.
It was like some conservative meeting.
And Rittenhouse apparently was there.
And when Rittenhouse apparently found out about this, he stormed out and did what I think you should really never do, which is he actually condemned it.
He actually said, like, these are terrible views and I'm not going to be there and this and that and the other thing, which, of course, made it a bigger story.
The obvious thing to do is if you're in a situation where everybody has their line, right?
Now, I certainly would not condemn anybody and I certainly wouldn't even remain silent or do something like that or walk out of it, certainly.
But if you were, I don't know, working for Turning Point USA and whatever policies you can't be seen with this or that person, all you have to do is just shut up and not say anything.
You don't have to give the media what they want.
So, Kyle Rittenhouse is not exactly some master of political rhetoric, and when you really think about it, it's pretty strange that he's even a campus speaker.
I mean, what exactly—I mean, he's basically a kid who was in one controversial incident, and everybody liked the way he handled himself there, at least on the right.
I mean, he's not a political philosopher.
He's not like a learned man.
He's not somebody who has anything really innovative to say.
He's not somebody who's made his career streaming or providing commentary or something like that.
It's almost like the whole point of doing this was basically just to generate the reaction of what happened.
Yeah, you know what, he might have a twitch where he plays Goldeneye in the 64 game.
The man with the golden gun, yeah.
Although he only wounded the one guy, so it can't be the golden gun.
Well, he did kill one, but anyways, real quick, tell us who and tell us why we're even talking about Kyle Rittenhouse.
What happened back in 20, was it 2020 when this all happened?
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously what happened in Kenosha was basically Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines to go to this city because there was civil disorder there.
Famously, he was cleaning graffiti in the morning.
He was doing interviews later that night.
There were a number of people, if you recall, because law enforcement basically abandoned the streets nationwide in 2020.
Donald Trump was tweeting law and order continuously.
He didn't do much more beyond that.
You could argue that maybe he couldn't, but still, he didn't exactly cover himself in glory.
So basically, you had this kid Doing what the cops wouldn't do.
And there was an incident where he was being chased, and you can see the full tape of it.
Maybe I'll put this in the notes, but I'm sure everybody's seen it at this point.
He was being chased.
Somebody tried to hit him with a skateboard.
He shot that person.
Somebody else ran at him.
He shot that person.
I believe he killed one, wounded one.
And then he walked to the police.
and had his hands up, surrendered.
And a lot of people were really upset because the police just didn't gun him down.
I mean, he had his hands up, he was making his approach very clear,
but everybody has this kind of fantasy that, oh, the police just like randomly shoot black people,
whereas like white people can get away In reality, as we learned, I think it was just a few weeks ago, there was a study at Harvard by a black academic, I believe, who found that there was no evidence of racial bias in police shootings, and the reaction was so extreme that it basically ruined his career.
And the former president of Harvard, the one who recently had to resign because of the whole Israel controversy, Yeah, that was the person who he pinned the blame on for doing this.
And he said something to the effect, you know, karma's a bee.
I'm trying really hard not to swear here.
It's very important not to swear.
We have a certain tone here at American Renaissance.
But the point is, that incident became famous nationwide.
Then there was a trial And he was acquitted, but he was acquitted, and I think he was acquitted, basically for two reasons and two reasons only.
One, the people he shot were not black, and this is something you still see on social media and stuff where they'll say, oh, he killed black people.
It's like, no, he didn't.
And had he done so, had a black person attacked him and he shot him, I think he would have been convicted, especially at that time.
And the second thing was that You had this kind of old white boomer judge.
I mean, I think the greatest scene of it was during a break, the boomer judge was like perusing a cookie catalog or something like that.
It was fantastic content.
And he was doing the things that you forget, like, oh yeah, this is what it's like when you actually have a legal system.
where, you know, enforcing rules and not letting witnesses just get away with things and you
actually have like legal procedure being followed. And so he had a fighting chance and so he was
acquitted. Another interesting thing about that trial was there was drone footage introduced in
it. And we found out that the FBI, I believe it was the FBI, had drone footage of this whole riot,
which of course begs the question, well, what other places do you have drone footage of?
And if you're taking footage of all these riots, why aren't you doing anything about it?
Like, shouldn't you be stopping the riots instead of just filming?
And the answer, of course, is the same thing with everything we say here.
It's when you see a crime, when you see a riot, when you see a white guy get murdered, it's not a failure of state policy.
Like, that is state policy.
That's the point.
That's why they do it.
To this day, though, I think a lot of people on the left swear up and down that Kyle Rittenhouse got away with murder.
I, of course, do not think that is true.
If he was a murderer, they would obviously be supporting him and demanding he get a statute of some sort.
It's because he's not a murderer.
It's because he was standing up against criminals.
It's because he was obviously attacked.
It's because that you can see the video of all this stuff, that they hate him so much.
All that being said, That doesn't make him a conservative intellectual, and that doesn't make him somebody who really has a message that right-wing students need to learn from.
I mean, I think he has courage, certainly, and he handled himself extraordinarily well in that situation.
He cut a message after the event at the University of Memphis.
He is doing other speaking events.
I believe Western Kentucky University is next on the list, and he basically told students Join a local conservative group.
You may feel like you're alone.
You're not the only one, but if you sign up with this group, this is how you can make a difference.
Positive message.
I don't think anybody right of center is going to have a problem with that.
Obviously, I have a problem with the way Kyle Rittenhouse handled the whole Nick Fuentes situation, but it's TPUSA.
So, you know, what do you expect?
All that being said, it is interesting how relatively hardcore TPUSA has become.
I remember in 2019, I think I said Charlie Kirk was like the white renegade of the year, which is basically like the white traitor of the year.
And that year I wanted to say Donald Trump and basically had a lot of people saying, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.
But that's what my gut said.
Instead I went with Charlie Kirk because he was saying all this stuff.
The whole, the whole birth of the whole white renegade of the year comes from Wilmot Robertson's magazine, Inspiration, which means rebirth.
And I think in a lot of ways, you could say that over the past few years, especially since what happened in 2020 with the George Floyd riots and just the complete breakdown of society.
I mean, it really is hard, Mr. Kirkpatrick, even to think about what's happened since
2020.
Like, I'm reading the Wikipedia entry for the Cal Rittenhouse as you're speaking, and
And there's so much that I even forgot about what happened in Kenosha because, again, it's this it's this.
Oh, yeah.
I could go through a whole thing of content.
Yeah.
I mean, this guy, I mean, because a lot of our international listeners, a lot of people in the country might not even remember what happened.
This black guy, there was a shooting of this black guy by a police officer and then just massive chaos broke out.
This was basically the first police shooting after the George Floyd stuff.
You had had the situation with the Chazz in Seattle, you had Portland, you had already had the third precinct burned down in Minneapolis.
All the chaos had broken out across the country in Atlanta when Black Lives Matter, that infamous shot where the CNN Center was overrun, which everyone forgets about that, by the way.
They threw fireworks and Black Lives Matter and people waving Mexican flags.
They legitimately tried to take over CNN, the CNN Center in Atlanta.
And it's really hard to think about that.
Wasn't there an incident at a Wendy's in Atlanta where someone was shot or something?
Yeah, there was that.
I mean, there were a lot of buildings that were just kind of, and there's a lot of fake reporting that you can, it made a big deal at the time, but nobody like follows up on a lot of these things.
So for example, there was a famous incident in, I believe it was Minneapolis, where there, this was another place where there was a lot of violence for obvious reasons.
There was an auto zone and they had a white guy they said were smashing it and the media went all over this and said you know this proves that it was actually a white guy who started this and you know the blacks were trying to stop the disorder and everything else and just completely ignoring all the riots that happened after but there was no real follow-up on any of this I mean you you had the initial report then the media And that usually tells you a lot, like the first story, as they always say, before it gets framed in a certain way, before they establish a narrative, before all that's said and done.
Then you have the narratives, then you have the counter-narratives on the right, and then it's just kind of dropped.
And nobody really follows up on what happens after that.
Now with Kenosha, it was different because you had the trial, and so you had a lot of concentrated attention on this, and You could break down everything the kid had done the day before, the day of, where was he at this hour, where was he at this hour, and you had all this footage from different people, different angles, where you could see when the first shot was, when he was being pursued, what exactly was happening with this stuff.
But the black pill in all of this, or the bleak pill, when I'm in an especially cynical mood, all of this is on tape.
All of this can be seen, everything can be broken down as much as anything can possibly be broken down.
Yeah.
And the fact is there are people in this country who are seeing the exact same footage that we are and saying, Oh, he's obviously a murderer.
It's, it's such a different take on reality where it's so extreme.
It actually makes you question your own sanity because You know, what exactly do these people see?
I mean, what common ground is even possible when we disagree on something of this importance?
Because this makes a big deal.
I mean, imagine if you're on trial for something and these people are on the jury, then what?
These people vote.
These people have power over you.
I think what really happened after 2020 is the idea of a shared Any kind of shared values or the pretense of anything other than just sort of total political war, I think, broke down entirely on the left.
I think they're operating purely on id, on friend-enemy distinction, and the idea that Well, here's this kid, but there are certain rules of justice, and there are certain rules regarding self-defense, whatever else, just completely gets thrown out the window.
Which is why you have this weird fixation, like, oh, we cross state lines.
Like, since when do any of these people in the middle of riots care about these little bureaucratic non-entities?
I mean, these are the same people who tell us borders are fake when it comes to immigration.
Now you're telling me about state lines?
I mean, clearly, it's just whatever they can get them on.
Yeah, the rules don't matter, and that's the same thing.
When you're playing Say you're from New Jersey.
Correct?
You grew up in New Jersey.
I don't think that's, or we'll pretend you're from New York.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
You played high school basketball, and when your high school team would play another high school team, you agreed to play by the same rules.
And there would be a referee, and if one of the teams violated the rules that were established before the game started, you actually practiced for these rules.
Say there's a foul.
Both of you agreed.
Both teams agreed.
Oh yeah, that's a foul.
Sure.
And if you get six fouls in a quarter or in a half, you're going to get to go to a one-and-one and to a double bonus.
The thing is with what's happened with Carl Rittenhouse, No one's playing by the same rules anymore.
Conservatives still want to believe that, oh, the Constitution exists.
We're going to be protected.
You're going to get a fair hearing.
Where the left, like you just said, they've already articulated, we don't care what the rules are.
Whatever is going to allow us to win and is going to punish our enemies, that's what we believe in.
And that is what we're going to go.
And that's the hill we're going to die on, because you're going to die on this goofy document that has been supplanted In 1964, in 1948 with Shelley v. Kramer, in 1964, the Civil Rights Act, over and over and over again, it's been basically erased and remade.
And there are no rules to play by anymore.
And that's the tragedy of conservatives in this whole situation.
Because one of the things we haven't mentioned yet is that the individuals that Kyle Rittenhouse shot, they were all white guys.
And why is Black Lives Matter in Memphis?
And again, you've already alluded to this.
And again, by the way, it's a very important city because it's on the Mississippi.
It's the home to FedEx.
If you've seen Castaway, you know what that means.
It's home to a number of major corporations.
And it's, it's, it's, it's, and again, by the way, it's a very important city because
it's on the Mississippi.
It's the home to FedEx.
If you've seen Castaway, you know what that means.
It's home to a number of major corporations.
But the point is, it's also home to a city where just a few weeks ago, the black mayor
met with black gang leaders, asking them to stop shooting one another because in 2023,
Mr. Kirkpatrick, I'm sorry, Mr. Hood.
Whatever, you can call me whatever you want.
Sorry!
Oh my god, sorry.
It doesn't matter.
I really wish... Incidentally, guys, I mean, I've been doxxed for how many years?
If I could just get rid of all these stupid pen names, I would.
But anyway, yeah, keep going.
I mean, you were saying, I remember you telling me about this.
Basically, the gang, he was negotiating with the gangs, basically telling them to stop killing each other and they demanded payment, correct?
They demanded community centers.
They demanded payment.
They demanded basketball courts.
Yeah, they're not reporting them.
In 2023, Memphis had its most violent city ever.
We keep hearing about how, oh no, crime is dropping.
Most major- Yeah, they're not reporting them.
That's a lie.
Yeah, exactly.
Most major police departments are no longer working with the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
In Memphis, we know this because just by sheer numbers, 2023 was a horrific year.
The black- Yeah, but even just a few weeks ago, however, the local
news reported that though car theft started to climb, the Memphis crime rate overall just hit a
record high.
It's actually getting worse.
There were a number of extreme cases that drew national attention.
I believe it was last year.
It's hard to keep all of these straight, but you had somebody, I believe, just live streaming
a shooting.
Now, it's always darkly funny with these.
American Resilience is not even allowed on Facebook.
I know a lot of people who just aren't even allowed on Facebook.
They never used it for politics.
Maybe they had family photos or something.
That, of course, all gets taken down.
All the photos are gone.
There's no appeal.
There's nothing you can do about it.
But if you want to broadcast you murdering a bunch of random people, that's fine.
You can get that on Facebook.
No, Memphis.
Yeah.
I mean, again, just just to go back just to put a bow in the conversation, the mayor,
I mean, the black mayor is begging the black gang members to stop shooting one another.
And they basically say, well, pay us.
We won't.
And then remember a couple of years ago, there was that really tragic story of the white
female who was jogging in the morning.
That was that was that was Memphis.
That was Memphis.
Yes.
She was in one of the that was the one that was the case right before the live stream
shooting, because they happened basically one after the other.
And everyone tried to claim, oh, you know what?
Maybe she was cheating on her husband or maybe, of course, it off.
Her white husband paid off these guys.
No, she was carjacked at like four or five a.m.
And again, you don't live look I've got a lot of friends from Memphis.
I went to a southern school And it attracted a lot of kids from Memphis from Germantown and these suburbs of Memphis have just been again at that point.
Oh My gosh, the corporation was international paper or a bunch of my really good buddies at the school I went to their parents were high high-level executives and We would have the most Shockingly racially conscious conversations of fraternity house about what Memphis was like and this was this isn't you know 2004 2005 this is much less severe in terms of the crime but it was still getting bad and that was when the Memphis Grizzlies were still in the in the pyramid before it got taken over by Bassmasters which is one of the coolest things ever the fact that the
Yeah, we're going to have to reclaim Memphis at some point.
We can't lose the pyramid.
I mean, once we get the ethnostate, that'll be the capital building.
But the question is, and I think it's one of the paramount points about what this podcast is going to be about, is that why do black people, who do not care about blacks dying, No, they do not care.
They do not care.
They don't care.
A couple years, about a decade ago now, the former black mayor of Memphis came out and was excoriated for saying, hey, listen, Memphis is one of the worst cities in the country because blacks kill each other, and no one wants to talk about it.
Yeah, I mean, I shouldn't overstate it.
It's not that none of them care, but the people who matter don't care, and the people who have power, at least at a local level, don't care.
You get these sorts of cases that you just don't get with other groups, except maybe like, I don't know, drug cartels out of Mexico or something where, you know, there's a, there's a peace rally or something or a stop the violence rally.
And there's a shooting there.
There's a funeral for somebody who was killed on a drive by, and then there's like another drive by at the funeral.
These sorts of things just don't happen with other groups.
Now, last year, I think there were 398 people who were killed.
And more than 600 major crimes thus far in 2024.
So, and I think the Justice Department said violent crime in Memphis has reached a 17-year high.
There's nobody else to blame for these things.
I mean, they have essentially total control.
So at a certain point, I mean, unless you just want to dismiss the concept of personal responsibility altogether, which maybe we have to do, a certain, yeah, remove, yeah, agency is just not a consideration.
You have to consider that, well, this is just kind of the way they like it.
This is what they want.
And you could say, well, why would they do that?
And it's like, but there actually are reasons why you would want this.
I mean, again, there was this kind of curious pride in the sense that they rioted and chased away these conservatives and were attacking people.
And you saw this on X. I mean, a lot of people just, we, I published a post today in what used to be verified hate.
Now it's called the X-Files on American Renaissance, where we just kind of review what's going on on social media.
And there was a lot of outright celebration at this incident, you know, beat these people, kill these people.
This is great.
You know, we showed them and it's like, well, you know, this is a college campus and it's like, this is the best you can do.
This is all you're capable of and you're proud of it.
Why are you like this?
And the answer is, because I remember Ann Coulter said something along the lines of, oh, you know, blacks have the most to gain from tough on crime policies and they should be the ones supporting it, but they won't.
The reason they won't is because high crime allows them to maintain political control of their communities.
It allows them to keep gentrifiers out.
Every time you see white gentrifiers move in and start improving the roads and start improving the schools and start improving the buildings, they're not thanked for this.
Anarchists start attacking them.
Black leaders start going nuts.
You even see all this rhetoric that would be called great replacement conspiracy theories if it comes to immigration where they say this is a black city and we're being replaced.
We're losing our historic homes.
Certainly a much different narrative than what you'll get after get out of white flight.
The black political class is entirely dependent in some sense on this atmosphere of constant chaos and tension being maintained basically forever.
And blacks who are living in this area, because yeah, even if you have high crime rate, it's not like everybody's getting mowed down left and right.
The odds are still relatively high you're not going to be murdered, but that seems to be something, that danger seems to be something they're willing to live with if it means rents are held down, property values are held down, you still have a black community, nobody else can tell you what to do.
You live in a garbage heap, but you can fashion yourself a crown out of some, you know, sludge you found and put it on your head and you're happy.
And that seems to be the way things function.
Now, you could argue, okay, well, I know a guy who crawled himself, crawled his way out of the gutter and he has no patience for this.
And oh, you know, there's this black conservative who said all this.
Yeah.
Like I get that.
Like we have exceptions and we have bell curves and there are people on the right side of the bell curve.
We get it.
But.
These people have no power within the black community itself.
There's no credibility for somebody who acts white, as they would call it.
And what does acting white mean?
It means being smart.
It means obeying the rules.
It means not committing crimes.
It means actually caring about your property and taking care of it and not just trashing everything in sight.
I think that until we confront this, until we confront the, it may seem mean, but I think it's meaner to Just ignore this until we confront the reality that cities like Memphis or Jackson or wherever else are that way because that's the way blacks want it and they will fight you if you try to change it.
We're not going to get anywhere.
This is just what they want.
This is who they are.
Well, nothing you can do about that.
And I agree with you.
I think, but the crazy question about all of this is why were Black Lives Matter protesters there?
Why was that?
Why do they care?
That kind of sells the thing.
I think there was, I think the one who was killed might've been Jewish.
The other one, I'm not sure he, the one who actually ended up testifying against him, but neither one was black.
And yeah, why do you care?
What, what is this to you?
Because of course we, We know that they have a certain kind of blunt tribalism when it comes to voting.
So the idea, why did Joe Biden bring down the black vote?
Or why did he lock in the black vote?
Because he promised to, I believe it was Clyburn, right?
Out of South Carolina, the black congressman.
He promised that he would appoint a black female Supreme Court justice, which he did.
He promised that he would have a black vice president, which he does.
And that was enough.
And it's just very straightforward and transactional.
You put one of our race on a position of power, and we will have your back and vote as a bloc.
And that's what they did.
Here, you have people who have nothing to do with this community.
I mean, it has a Democrats are the real racist type quality, so I don't like saying it, but it's nonetheless true.
You go to an Antifa I mean, it tends to be, and I'm not joking and I'm not trying to exaggerate here, sometimes it really is whiter than like an American Renaissance conference.
I mean, it will be entirely white, entirely white and Jewish, I guess, with an Antifa group.
You won't see many blacks.
Black socialism and this kind of anarchism is frankly just not a black thing.
Same reason they didn't come out for Bernie Sanders, right?
And yet, When Kyle Rittenhouse comes to speak at this thing, they turn out en masse, and their groups come out en masse.
And I think it's just because, I don't know, I guess it's just they associate crime with a kind of racial pride, or they associate self-defense as sort of, it's coded as white, and therefore they need to oppose it.
It's sort of the same thing where blacks are, if you look at the polls, very heavily supportive of gun control.
Which, you know, if you believe the stuff about urban culture and whatever else that you might find that a little surprising, but I think they know what whites don't, which is gun control means white law-abiding people don't get to have guns, but we still do, and therefore it is a good thing.
I think they just have a, in some ways, it's because they have a more simplistic understanding of politics.
They actually have a more sophisticated understanding of politics because they see through the nonsense.
They just look at it in a very blunt way and they don't trick themselves with all these complicated abstractions about like, oh, well, what this means is actually something different.
Or here are these high principles.
It's just, no, this is, Good for our group, and this is good for our sense of collective power, and therefore we support it.
Or, in this case, Kyle Rittenhouse is bad for our sense of collective power, therefore he's racist.
And it's the same thing with Turning Point USA.
I mean, why?
It's pretty incredible that you would think Turning Point USA is like a threat to your race, but that's what they're going with.
Well, going back to what the whole concept of what Kyle Rittenhouse did, I mean, in the absence of the state monopolizing The use of force monopolizing violence, which was happening in Kenosha, where he, you know, his life was at stake because police stood down.
And of course, what we found out during the trial of Rittenhouse, the FBI actually had drones flying over, a plane flying over.
The whole thing was videotaped.
It's, it's all so weird to think about.
Yeah, there's, there's a lot of stuff that happened and I don't want to get down some conspiracy thing, mostly because the conspiracy stuff like actually detracts from it.
There's a lot going on there that we're never going to know about.
It's all right, because the things that we need to know about are... We already know.
We see how easy society could be reclaimed and how easy our major cities could be reclaimed.
It would take five minutes.
It would take five minutes, because two quick stories and two quick anecdotes that we talked about.
We've seen just the heroic efforts of Bukali and El Salvador to make that nation, which was once one of the most violent in the Western hemisphere, their homicide rate has actually dropped below the white average.
Because again, if you break things down in our country, the white average is, it's actually lower than the, some of the averages in Europe for, for homicides.
And there were just two, two murders in a neighborhood in El Salvador.
And what does Bukali do?
He has 5,000 members of the National Guard of his army.
They just show up in mass.
And again, it goes back to the best line in Heinlein's Starship Troopers, the novel.
Punishment must be severe or else it serves no purpose.
And when things get bad, what do you do?
You have an overwhelming use of force.
It doesn't mean you do anything to anyone.
It just you show what the state can do.
And all these libertarian fantasies about, oh, you know, individuals will take care of things.
No, they won't.
Because at the same token, we then go to New York City, where a guy named Daniel Penny is a white guy who looks like something out of, you know, he basically looks like what Homer and his orations.
He looks like the statue of the Wounded Gaul.
That's what he that's what he looks like.
He looks like if you've ever seen the sculpture of the Wounded Gaul or the Dying Gaul, I should say.
That's what he looks like.
And here's a guy who basically tried to make life safe for people on what John Rocker famously back in 1999, that SI Sports Illustrated article said, who the heck wants to ride the The transit system in New York City is depressing.
You know, you sit next to, you know, some queer with purple hair and, you know, four
kids speaking, four women with four kids speaking Spanish.
It's just depressing, man.
And here you have Daniel Penney show up and try and make life safe from an Elvis, I'm
sorry, from a Michael Jackson impersonator.
And now he's facing life in jail.
At the same time, we read a New York Post article that came out a couple days ago where violent crime on the subways is up significantly, and people always ask, why aren't good men standing up to stop this?
Well, you know what?
Kyle Rittenhouse tried.
Kyle Rittenhouse tried to make life better in Kenosha back in 2020.
Daniel Penney in 2023 tried to make the subways safer for, again, I would argue, and I'm sure you know this, Mr. Hood, that I'm sure, what, 70% of the people who ride the Metro are non-white in New York City?
I don't have the numbers.
Not like that, yeah.
Subway crime has been up recently, although they have sent in a member of the National Guard.
Just, I believe it was last month, 750 members of the National Guard.
Yeah, the governor sent it in.
And what's interesting, The Guardian, which is a very left-wing British newspaper, was saying, well, these kinds of things make people feel better.
But experts, whenever you hear experts say, like, you know, it's just going to be unbelievable lies, experts say that this won't solve the root issues.
And in a certain sense, they're right.
It's just not in the way they think.
I mean, the root issues is that there are certain people who just Like committing crime, and that's all they can do.
And it's not a question of, oh, give them good jobs.
They can't do jobs.
They either can't or won't.
They just commit crime.
And a lot of them are schizophrenic and drug addicts, and we're not allowed to throw these people in jail anymore or throw them in asylums.
So we've apparently just decided that If we just let them roam around attacking people, that that makes us good somehow.
So yeah, I mean, I guess that is true that we're not confronting the root issues, but what actually needs to be done is some pretty basic stuff that could be done extremely quickly.
And as a number of studies have pointed out, I know this is a race realist podcast, and certainly, I mean, I'll claim the label of white nationalist without any quibbling, but It's not even really a racial thing in the sense of we're talking about such a fantastically small group of people.
I mean, we're talking like a few hundred at most of habitual offenders who just keep committing crimes and then keep being released over and over and over again.
And if you just Lock up those people, 90% of the problem goes away.
It's like the Pareto principle, right?
20% of effort gets you 80% of the reward.
That's all you would have to do.
And we just refuse to do it.
I mean, a friend of mine put it well.
He said, you know, with people at this point, when people talk about fascism, it has nothing to do with whatever fascism was as a government doctrine or something.
And now it It really has to do when people say fascist, they mean things like having law enforcement, not having trash on the subways, not having people drunk or high or stumbling around and menacing people on the subways.
Like that's what people mean by fascism now.
So you had people saying like, oh, this is fascism when you had the National Guard in the subway.
And of course, the National Guard wasn't even really doing anything.
So it was just kind of a symbolic thing.
But if we accept that, if we go, OK, let's let's take Well, that would be freedom to like 99% of the people in New York City, because they would be able to do things that people could once do, which is ride a subway in relative comfort without having being threatened or having to give people money or whatever else and get to where they need to go.
It would be bad for the fantastically small number of habitual criminals and insane people But the system we have now is basically we bend over backwards providing so-called human rights and all these special privileges to the worst among us, and then actual productive people have no rights whatsoever.
You do not have a right to self-defense.
You do not have the right to keep your own money.
You do not have the right to freedom of association.
You don't really even have the right to free speech.
If you say something to the wrong person, you're going to get fired.
You might get sued.
You might have to pay $20 million if, you know, they get media after you and they start saying this is liable and whatever else.
Certainly liable at this point and a lot of these Defamation lawsuits have also become entirely relative.
Certainly, we're familiar with what Donald Trump is dealing with.
Among the 20 million lawsuits that they filed against him is one where he denied doing something to a woman.
I don't even want to get into it because I don't want to get sued for $200 million.
He said he didn't do it and apparently that was a big enough thing that he has to pay all this money.
But If you look at Nicholas Sandlin, who was the kid at Covington Catholic, if you remember that a few years ago, this was, for those of you who don't remember, it was a Catholic student group, and they showed up with MAGA hats, and they were just standing there.
And this Indian guy, Feather, not Dot, started pounding on a drum and singing this crazy thing, and the kid just stood there.
And this alone turned him into one of the most hated People in America.
That was back in the Halcyon days of 2019.
Yeah, right.
Something just happened on this and this is why I want to talk about it.
They essentially, there were death threats all over on Twitter.
There were people saying that this is the biggest thing ever.
Of course, a lot of the conservatives immediately went along with the media line on this.
They didn't wait to see what had happened.
They threw these kids completely under the bus.
A lot of these conservatives were also saying, well, it's so shameful that Catholics are wearing like MAGA hats because you shouldn't do that because that's mean and whatever else.
Of course, what ended up happening is that the kids not only didn't do anything wrong, but the so-called veteran had actually not been to Vietnam and not done all these things that he was talking about doing.
The whole thing fell apart.
He sued all these media companies for defamation.
He settled with, I believe, one or two, but a judge just dismissed the big libel suit, I think, a day or two ago, or the defamation suit.
So nothing came of it.
Media wins again.
Now, you and I both know the case of James Edwards, who James Edwards is.
He spoke at American Renaissance, I believe, last year.
The political cesspool is his talk show.
He's at a Nashville, I believe.
Memphis, actually.
Oh, is he Memphis?
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I mean, to tell you how much has changed, I mean, I remember he was honored by the Memphis City Council not that long ago.
It was like maybe 15 years ago.
How far we've come, right?
He was actually one of the people who was trying to fight to save, was it Nathan Bedford Forrest's statue in Memphis?
Yeah, which was just absolutely just atrocious what happened to that statue, but that's a story.
That's another story, but I mean, the point is, I mean, Memphis can deliver on something like removing the statue, but Enforcing laws against murder is obviously beyond them.
But he was criticized by a newspaper that said, well, he's an official in the KKK, that he's a leader in the KKK.
No, he's not a leader in the KKK.
He's not a member of the KKK.
He has nothing to do with the KKK.
This is a specific charge.
Well, he's out of bed, so.
Yeah.
It's like saying, you know, oh, this guy's vice president of the American Nazi Party and like, Just never even met these people.
You can't just say that somebody has a formal role in an organization that they're not even in.
So he sues.
But of course, what does the judge say?
The judge is like, well, he's right on the facts, but I don't like his views and he's like the people who would be in the KKK.
Therefore, you're allowed to say this.
This is now just how law works.
I mean, you don't have rules.
You don't have Objectivity.
Words don't mean anything anymore.
It's just kind of this floating blob of feelings and media criticism and the political interests of the judge, whether he wants to move up and, of course, what the demographics are in the area.
And that's just what law is.
It reminds me, frankly, of A lot of the things that people were criticizing about before, like the English Civil War, where you could just get dragged into what they called the Star Chamber back then, which were these notorious courts where they could just do whatever you wanted to.
Or for the parliamentary side, there were these things that are banned in the U.S.
Constitution, I believe twice for some reason.
They didn't just ban it once.
These things called bills of attainder.
Where they could just vote you a criminal, just a simple majority vote, no rules of evidence or whatever else.
And we said, man, that was terrible.
That's better than what we have now.
Because at least there's only like a couple guys who can do that to you.
The system we have now is basically any court anywhere in the country, if there's a single judge who decides screw this guy in particular, they can destroy you.
Now it's incredible that Kyle Rittenhouse got one of the few remaining American judges and that's how why he was able to be acquitted but there's there's a case and I want to get your thoughts on this because I've been I think talking probably too much in this one but there's a case to be made and this I'm not saying I wanted this to happen I was very happy when Kyle Rittenhouse got acquitted and it would certainly be bad for him but there's a case to be made that had he been found guilty People would have a greater awareness of what the actual situation is.
And the fact that he was acquitted and the fact that he's doing these speeches, if you can even call them that, for a center-right conservative group, gives people a very misleading impression of how late the hour really is.
What do you think?
No, you're 100% right.
100% right.
One of my very dear close friends, Sam Dixon, Who has given the benediction, uh, the closing speech at every AR.
He and I have talked about this ad ad, uh, at great length and that again, he was the one when we were talking, he brought up the whole concept of we're not playing the same game.
We're not playing by the same rules.
The left wants to win.
The right still believes that there's a country worth salvaging, that there's a constitution that Unifies everyone at the same time that we've already seen.
Again, we lived through a color revolution.
So few people want to admit what happened in 2020.
I mean, again, the White House was nearly breached.
The White House walls.
You and I have, you and I have been by those White House walls before the night that Trump won.
We knew, we saw then.
I wrote about it and there's a book called Conservatives make the battle for the American right, which I wrote under the James Kirkpatrick pen name.
Again, all these stupid pen names, whether you want to call me Greg Hood, James Kirkpatrick, Kevin DeAnna, I really don't care.
I should just come up with a fourth one and unite them all.
But Kevin Hood.
I mean, the night the night he was elected.
I mean, I remember going there and thinking, well, there's going to be Some Trump people there.
And keep in mind, this was at a time when this is pretty well before Charlottesville.
This is well before a lot of things where you could still hold meetings.
Remember, MPI was holding conferences in DC still.
You still had the ability to kind of do a lot of things.
And it was all Antifa.
It was all.
And ironically, the only Trump supporter who was there was a black guy.
We ended up saving him.
No, I mean, it's actually fascinating to think about all the people that we ran into because some people got jumped.
That guy was our friend that night.
Yeah, I mean, he, yeah, no, it's actually fascinating to think about all the people
that we ran into because some people got jumped.
I mean, I think Cassandra Fairbanks was live, live streaming this.
Yeah, I remember she was.
She was live streaming it.
Yeah.
And then I jumped in and I basically were throwing people off.
Yeah.
It was a black guy.
I was, uh, he was holding it down.
I was pretty impressed.
I mean, there was, cause he was pretty outnumbered.
He would have, he probably would have been in trouble had we not been there, but the thing is it's, this is not new.
I think Peter Brimlow road, uh, cause the day of the inauguration, he was there.
By the way, by the way, here's the point.
Here's going way, way beyond the curtain.
If you read his piece that he wrote for VDR back on, I don't know, I think it was published January 22nd, 2017.
My God, seven years ago.
How crazy is that?
Is this the There Will Be Blood, the inauguration?
I'm actually the person who took the photo of him.
And we're driving in Lydia, myself and Peter are driving down 66 into the city.
And I remember Peter goes, OK, this is really early because we had been I had been at the deplorable the night before.
That's the night I was also attacked.
I was not at that.
But I mean, I saw the footage of it.
But a plural ball story is one of the craziest things ever of what James O'Keefe was able to document where they were going to try and pump in poison ass.
I mean, I've been in a prior event where I'm Yeah.
I met Steve King and I met a number of really great people.
Then I went to the Polar Ball and I remember walking in and it was the most palpable hate
I've ever felt in my life.
The crowd was so extraordinarily large of Antifa leftists.
And you realized if there had not been a barrier, if the police had not been just protecting
barely, I mean, because I think Gavin McGinnis got attacked and he was throwing punches.
The issue with all of this is that to bring it to what we're talking about with Kyle Rittenhouse
and what just happened at the University of Memphis is that what Peter Brimow wrote about
in this inauguration day column, where he basically, because there were all those riots
on inauguration day too, again, leftist going Nazi.
This is when Trump, the day Trump gets in.
Nothing was done.
All these people, I think one or two might have been, a few might have been convicted of something, but most were let go.
A couple people obviously we've seen in the years since actually get paid by the various cities.
Most of their charges dropped.
Yeah, and it's the same story here.
I mean, You see the footage of people getting attacked, you see the footage of people making threats, you see the footage of groups menacing people, and you know with 100% absolute certainty nothing will happen.
Nothing will happen.
You also know, for example, there were some proud boys in New York who got into a scrap with Antifa in New York City, and these guys got, what, five, ten years in prison?
Even though the Antifa didn't work with the police, you have situations where guys are getting sent to jail because they said something in a signal group or a Discord, whatever else.
You're already in a situation where it's equivalent to essentially law in the Eastern Bloc.
I'm not saying it's like Soviet tyranny under, say, Stalin, but I'd be willing to go so far as to be like, yeah, Soviet rule circa 1980, maybe worse in some ways, because then they didn't just allow schizophrenic lunatics to just attack random people.
But you have an entirely, I don't even want to say partisan, it's just sort of a tribal legal system where the demographics of the jury, Who appointed the judge and the political sympathies of everybody involved, that will tell you with more or less absolute certainty what the verdict is going to be in any given case.
What the actual laws, what the actual facts are, what actually happened.
These things are of absolutely no importance whatsoever.
The Kyle Rittenhouse case matters so much and I think so many people go back to it because it satisfies a lot of the fantasies of ordinary conservatives,
that you still have your Second Amendment rights.
Obviously, there are a ton of remixes with Calvert now shooting these guys,
and then it's got the song from Far Cry, which was written to make fun of conservatives,
but they've adopted it, sorta like Yankee Doodle, keep your rifle by your side,
which I've seriously proposed as the white national anthem.
But you still have this idea that you can do this, you'll get acquitted, it'll all work out.
In 2020 when the cops started stood down you had these white people who kind of took up arms and were standing outside their house.
There was a famous Black Lives Matter march where they were marching down the street and there were all these just white guys in a suburb just silently on both sides of the road with rifles and impeccable trigger discipline just staring at these guys as they walked by.
But It's not, it's never been a question of force.
It's never been a question of who's tougher or stronger, willing to do more.
Yeah.
These are all copes.
And in many ways, the second amendment isn't what really matters.
How many guns you have certainly isn't what matters and how tough you are and all the rest of it.
What matters is the legal environment that you're surrounded in, because nobody can really fight the state, at least not by themselves.
And where you have an atmosphere of full anarcho-tyranny, Where one side can just do whatever they want and is more or less subsidized by you, if you're listening to this, like you're paying for this.
Whereas you don't even have the most fundamental right to self-defense that some peasant in the most subjugated European kingdom 600 years ago had.
You have to ask yourself, what kind of regime do you really live under?
And it's covered up in so many layers of complexity and lies and hypocrisy that it's tough to put a label on it now, which is why using the somewhat unsatisfactory term anarcho-tyranny is the best that we can use.
These ideas are getting around now.
I think that 10 years ago, or 15 years ago, when I started writing a lot of this stuff, It was kind of marginal and, you know, it was a big deal if like some guy in the conservative movement quoted you and didn't even use your name.
Like that was like a huge breakthrough.
Now you see your ideas all over the place.
People cite you, people talk to you.
It's not the ideas are there, but just because you're winning support on the American right doesn't translate to state power.
It doesn't mean you're actually winning.
The other side has state backing.
We do not.
The other side has their activists funded by taxpayer dollars.
We do not.
The other side has NGOs that are being subsidized by you.
The other side has most of the churches on their side.
And I'm not talking about Christian Bible-believing churches or something like that, but I'm talking about, you know, the sorts of churches where you see the intersectional flag flying outside.
These things are a huge logistical and financial support network for the left.
We have no such equivalent.
And think of the fact that how popular the intersectional flag itself is.
I mean, that was something which didn't even exist a couple years ago.
Now, it is undoubtedly more common than the American flag.
You see way more of those outside churches or even outside houses, depending on where you're living, certain neighborhoods, than you do American flags, and certainly more than Confederate flags, which were everywhere even 10 years ago.
So we shouldn't kid ourselves that, you know, oh, we're just winning in this complacency regarding the Trump campaign or our inevitable victory.
It makes me, I mean, it makes me want to throw up, frankly, because it just reminds me of the stupid red wave propaganda in 2022.
And it really conceals How dire the situation is and the forces that are on the other side.
And the point is not to blackmail people, but the point is that you really need to get serious about what's at stake.
And as bad as it is in America, it's worse overseas where a podcast like this would undoubtedly land both of us in jail.
Which is hard to believe.
Which is very hard to believe, but it's true.
It's true, and again, this is why I think the whole Kyle Rittenhouse thing, and he's... But I mean, do you think it's a bad thing?
I'm not... If by some whatever he's listening to this, or Turning Point USA, I want to make it clear, I'm glad he got acquitted.
I would not wish this suffering on somebody who's innocent.
And I think one of the first speeches I ever gave at Ameren was about... was defending him, and that was like the biggest applause line, in fact.
But...
From a totally ruthless, strategic point of view, would it have been better had he been convicted because it would be a smack upside the head for people?
Yes.
And as people, I mean, again, and I know so many people want to believe that the system is salvageable.
The system works, yeah.
The system, but guys, It's working the way it works because it's working the way it works.
The purpose of the system is what it does.
Exactly.
And Rittenhouse was this... Exception that proves the rule, sort of.
Yeah, this aberration.
I mean, it's like, no.
No.
This was a moment in time where it was everything happened to be filmed.
And... Yeah, I mean, that's a big question.
But I think one of the big things about Carl Rittenhouse thing, other than the fact that, I mean, you have such disparate views on very objective evidence on a videotape, and it really does challenge the idea of a common good or even a common citizenship, and certainly the idea that you can be judged by any legal code with these people.
But when you connect that to this reaction at the University of Memphis, the fact that they really thought it was a gotcha, To say, hey, here are these things that we think are racist from Charlie Kirk, and he's just like, whatever.
And they think that's like a big deal or a great victory.
That this is sort of... It's all left-wing politics is now.
They think they can say these kind of magical incantations, and then you're just going to fall down and collapse and beg for mercy.
One of the white pills, I guess, is that even this level of pushback from Karl Rittenhouse, from Charlie Kirk, From a lot of mainstream conservative groups, this was unimaginable 10 years ago.
And certainly after Trump's election, I would say from 2017 probably to about 2019, it was far more restrictive within what I would call conservatism, Inc.
than it was beforehand.
I mean, let's be blunt.
I mean, I was running around doing all sorts of crazy stuff when I was working in the conservative movement.
And nobody had a problem with any of it.
But that would not have flown in 2017.
Think about a moment that made the Leadership Institute a lot of money
Back in 2008.
The gun protest after the Supreme Court?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
2008, North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
Oh, the Tom Tancredo incident.
Yeah, this is, thank you, that's a good place to end it, because I wanted to connect that.
That was one of the things that put YWC on the map.
Youth for Western Civilization was the little activist group I had for a while.
And what we did was, and it's a very conventional conservative strategy, where you basically invite a controversial speaker, But in this case, it wasn't just for spectacle.
I mean, it was like a congressman and a presidential candidate to give a speech, and you sort of see what happens.
And if he gives the speech, great.
If he gets, if leftists, like, attack it, even better.
And sure enough, leftists are a brick, broke up the speech, pulled fire alarms, I believe, did the whole thing, made national news, became a big thing.
Media, of course, went crazy after me, went crazy after YWC.
A lot of these kids came under intense pressure, and it was always inspirational to see how these kids would stand up to this stuff.
But what struck me about this Kyle Rittenhouse thing is, and this sort of, I don't want to pick on the kid, but this is sort of my point, is like, he's a kid.
I mean, what, Kyle Rittenhouse is going to tell me about like Aristotle or something?
Or the Constitution?
I'm like, who cares?
He's just some kid.
I have no reason to like, listen to him talk about politics.
I mean, if he wanted to tell a story about what it was like that night, I mean, that's fine.
It's almost like not even a political event, you know what I mean?
And I mean, it would be like a human interest thing almost.
And so it's clear that I think the only reason you would do this, not that he does a story worth hearing, but you know, it's not really a conservative thing per se.
The only reason you would do this is because you know the left is going to go nuts and the left predictably went nuts and had their thing.
But the question I have is, If we are sort of just doing this over and over again on college campuses, and you can say, well, the point is to raise awareness or to have a shocking incident or to wake people up or even to raise money or something like that, because you do have to raise money.
But we've been doing this for a pretty long time.
I mean, you and I both did a lot of campus activism, both in our own time and then professionally.
And I think we probably between our like friend group, we probably like know more about this stuff than just about anybody.
And a lot of it just really hasn't changed.
And you got to ask yourself, well, what is the point of this?
Because creating outrage and creating awareness is not the same thing as building power.
And when you see People able to riot and end an event and attack people and get praise in the national media and then start pressuring the university for concessions and money and more money for them programs and all the rest of it.
That's what actual power looks like.
And you could argue that maybe this is just where we're at and so we have to start this way, but I find myself getting impatient with this whole approach because at some point we actually have to build power.
We can't just keep doing this thing over and over again and saying, look at how intolerant the left is.
Yeah, and I think the most important thing is Rittenhouse, conservatives so want someone to rally behind people.
Yeah.
And this is again.
Let's end it with this.
I mean, is this, is that not Trump?
I mean, again, I was going to name, I was going to say he was the white runner of the year in 2019 and then almost again in 2020.
But the, I do think that it does seem to have a different tone this time, but the polls I can already see slipping away from them.
And part of his appeal is, of course, that everybody is sort of reading into him what they want to say.
But the question is whether he is the guy to... I mean, we don't have a choice in terms of elections or something like that, but... By the way, as you point out, the new... Yeah, we can't endorse anybody and all this kind of stuff.
But the point is this... Well, that's my point.
It's like, I'm actually not endorsing him in the sense that, like, he's already...
All of these things that we've talked about really picked up steam after he was president of the United States.
And so a lot of people are going to say, even if he was elected, even though most people are going to say, well, we don't have another choice going forward.
And if you're going to vote, this is the only game of town.
But other people are going to say, if he is in office again, is it not reasonable to expect things to just get worse again?
I mean, that's what happened last time.
I mean, you have to have the willingness to use state power.
State force, state power.
And this is also, and I think we should end it with this, why is this kid in Kenosha, where with his, you know, little tie socks, ridiculous getup that he had going on and everything else, and he handled it like a pro.
And I mean, I can't believe this college kid, like, oh, he's such a coward.
It's like, dude, what this kid did in just a few minutes, Shows more character and has more moral worth than your life and the life of everybody you have ever met.
That's how impressive it was.
It was incredible.
Well, it wasn't just that.
Real quick, it wasn't just that.
It was the act of defending himself against three individuals who were trying to take his life.
For showing up and cleaning up and everything else.
Exactly!
I mean, that's... But that's my point.
Why does he...
That's my point.
Why did he need to be there?
Why is America's hope in America rallying to, and conservatives at least, rallying to some random kid who shows up with a gun to defend this place?
Where the hell are police?
Where's national law enforcement for that matter at the time?
Where was President Donald Trump?
He's tweeting law and order.
And you have to ask yourself, and again, I think there is more reason to hope that he has learned his lesson, but It has to be different if he gets in there.
I mean, El Salvador is the model that needs to be followed, not the first term.
Otherwise, I think it's just going to get worse again.
I mean, again, the first thing, basically, you look at what happened when people rallied around Daniel Penney and you see Alvin Bratt, the DA.
You know he's going to get convicted, though.
I mean, again, this is not, uh, and again, forgive me.
It was, uh, the Jewish guy, Bernie Goetz.
Was that his name?
Bernie Goetz.
Bernie Goetz.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the thing with that too, and we're going a bit long, but I think this is an important case to talk about.
Bernie Goetz, the interesting thing about that case, uh, this was a Jewish guy who was on subway.
He got menaced.
Um, was it all black kids who did it?
I believe.
And he pulled out his gun, shot him.
The interesting thing, and this, of course, this is what they did in Joker, only they turned it into, like, white stockbrokers or something, because those are the guys who menace you on subways, which the titular character then shoots and becomes sort of a folk hero.
Well, Bernie Goetz, the interesting thing about that case is he basically used way more force than he needed to.
I think he actually, like, finished one dude off.
Like, he was trying to crawl away or something.
It wasn't just sort of, it wasn't like Kyle Rittenhouse's thing where you had people jumping at him and him just kind of like firing from the hip to get him off him.
It wasn't what you had in the Subway case where the intent was obviously not just not to kill him, but not to hurt him.
I mean, jiu-jitsu, right?
And if you put somebody in, I mean, you get knocked out sometimes, you knock somebody else out sometimes.
What happens?
They wake up and that's the end of it.
Clearly he was not trying to kill the man But the cultural situation has shifted so much in these blue cities far more if you look at the polls the core Democratic voters have shifted far more to the left than Republican voters have shifted to the right and so the very idea of Defending yourself as such has now been is now considered to be a moral crime I mean Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez famously said that they killed this man who was just begging for food.
I mean, as if it's, you know, Jean Valjean or something like that.
I mean, they really are just sort of running these scripts in their head that have nothing to do with the actual facts or what the people in the situation, people in this situation on the ground are actually seeing.
In a media-run society, that has more weight than anything that actually happens, and that has more weight than the law.
I personally think he doesn't have a prayer in terms of a legal defense just because what the jury is going to be.
He still has to fight it out, of course.
He has to do what he has to do.
But the very fact that these things are even happening, the very fact that he has to get mixed up in this, Tells us quite a bit about where the state actually falls in America today because as with everything with government It's not really a question of what it's not a question of structure.
It's not a question of laws.
It's not a question of constitutions It's a question of who it's a question of who holds power whom is being directed against those are the only questions that matter who who and The idea that the state as such is a conscious actor is just wrong.
It's a weapon, and it's a weapon that's always wielded by somebody.
And right now it's being wielded against white people, and not just white people, it's being wielded in defense of criminals against the law abiding.
I mean, to use another thing from New York, which has gotten a lot of attention, is there's a law in New York which allows squatters to essentially take over your property.
And if you try to kick them out, you're the one Yeah.
who gets arrested.
And it was a woman who went up to property that had been taken by the Waters
and they allegedly murdered her and I believe stuffed her into a suitcase.
Yeah.
And so, and I think it was like a mother's house.
So, I mean, this is where we are now.
And I can't even imagine in the Soviet Union, such the late Soviet Union, of course, not under like Stalin, but East Germany under Honecker or something like that.
I can't imagine these sorts of things being allowed to just run around roaming free.
So it is it is ominous.
And I think that where we need to end this is when you look at what happened in Memphis and that complete non-reaction, of course, from Republicans in that state.
When you look at what's going on in New York, when you look at what's being done to Donald Trump, it's very important to understand that I think we are gaining ground on something like X. I think we are gaining ground in terms of our ideas becoming more prominent within the conservative movement, despite deplatforming.
You'd be surprised how many people are reaching out to us within the movement or people who've been around for a long time who are starting to poking their heads up again and starting to get involved.
The Trump 2024 campaign is getting some ideas out there that are very interesting, but you should not get complacent, and you certainly should not assume that everything's going to work out for us within the next year, because the other side is way more militant than our side is, generally speaking, and they have state backing for the worst among them.
And until we overcome that problem, until state power can be secured and used in a way that I think most Americans of every, I was about to say of every race, I think certainly most white people, but a significant minority of blacks, certainly more blacks than actually vote Republican, I think, would actually get behind something like this.
I think you could do a lot of great things.
And who would have thought, certainly I would have never thought, five years ago that El Salvador would not only be I mean, I'll end on a very big white pill, and this is one of the things that really helps put a smile on my face when I'm feeling down, or to get that extra rep of 225 on the bench when I'm doing a crazy workout for some German volume training.
I'll end on a very big white pill.
And this is one of the things that it really helps put a smile on my face when I'm feeling
down or to get that extra rep of 225 on the bench when I'm doing a crazy workout for some
German volume training.
It's really simple.
Every major city has, Mr. Hood, a gang database that the police department has.
We know who commits the crime.
And if you had the political will, if you had state power, in a week, using RICO, you could arrest every member of every gang that is known.
You could round them up.
It could be a show of immense force.
You would have human rights groups.
You would have the SPLC, the ADL, the ACLU.
You would have every media outlet screaming.
And then you would basically be able to show that all these institutions of power are aligned to make our lives worse and to make the lives of black people worse.
Because guess what?
White people have abandoned the major cities where most of the crime is.
You know, we just saw the New York City Police Department put out their their crime report for the year of 2023.
And there's almost, you know, the city's, I think, 33 percent white, 24 percent black, 30 percent Hispanic, 14 percent Asian.
There's literally no white gun crime.
There's almost no white homicides.
It's 96 percent black, brown, nonfatal shootings.
Homicides.
And that's what's been cleared, by the way.
The clearance rates.
Clearance rates in New York City.
If you want to look at something ominous, and this is something I think I'm going to write on pretty soon, is the nationally homicide clearance rate has been declining for decades now.
It's devastating to see that chart because it corresponds, it correlates directly to the decline of the white population.
In 1950, almost 98% of homicides were cleared in the country.
And at this point in 2024, we're under 50% of homicides are cleared.
That's terrifying to think about.
48% of homicides nationwide actually are cleared, which means that, what, 52% of homicides every year go without prosecution, without the person, the perpetrator being brought to justice?
Well, this is sort of the question, and certainly Memphis is one of these cities, but certainly we could also talk about Baltimore.
East St.
Louis, places like that.
You have some cities, I think, this didn't just 2020 was the color revolution, as you say, but it was obviously happening really since Ferguson.
And then, of course, I think it was Eric Garner, the case, I believe that was 2015 in Baltimore.
You have a lot of cities where.
Everybody's just sort of given up on the idea of preventing crime and the great and the good have essentially decided that it's just more moral to let them do what they want, even if that means kill each other.
I mean, one of the data points that I talk about all the time is The Wire, which famously profiled Baltimore as this basically unreformable city of death and misery, even though now, you know, they're trying to retcon it as, oh, it shows how wonderful Baltimore is.
It's like, well, no, I mean, the whole point of the city, you know, the gods will not help you, gentlemen.
This is Baltimore.
Like, that was the line.
But there's this great scene where one of the few convincing multiracial friendships in television, where Bunk and McNulty, the two cops, one black, one white, they're sitting there drinking, and Bunk, the black cop, says, the city's going to hell, man.
We're looking at 300 homicides this year.
And that was like the ultimate nightmare.
That was, can you believe how crazy things have gotten?
It breaks that every year now, easily.
It's not even close.
And here's the best part.
There are fewer people.
People are moving away.
No, not just that, not just that.
I think there were less than 300 murders in New York City in 2023.
The city is about, what, seven?
New York City, for all our comments, New York City still has a relatively low homicide rate for its size.
Yeah, 297 homicides in 2023.
City's about 7, 8 million people.
Baltimore is about 665,000 people.
It had over 300 murders for, I think, like the sixth or seventh or eighth year in a row.
So you're talking about just not per capita, just by sheer numbers of Baltimore, which is, you know, an order of magnitude smaller than New York City has as has more homicides, just sheer numbers.
And it's Again, I've never felt less safe in a city than I did in Baltimore back in 2021 when I went there to do a, um, an event for the 20th anniversary of 9 11.
We, uh, a friend and I, we went and ran the, um, the steps of the M and bank stadium, uh, to commemorate the number of steps that the fire department, uh, did.
At the World Trade Center.
And we were going to Camden Yards and some cop goes, hey, where are you guys going?
Like, oh, we're walking over the Inner Harbor.
They're like, oh, you can't go that way.
Go to Federal Hill and that's about it.
You're just not safe.
I'm like, what do you mean?
He goes, well, there's no police over in that area.
And just to kind of put a bow in this conversation for tonight, there was an amazing article that was just published about how Baltimore just cannot attract cops anymore, post-George Floyd.
And the other week there were, in the most populated area of Baltimore, there were three police patrolling for a population of about 65,000 people.
And there were calls, 911 dispatch, they were begging for anyone to answer.
They were begging for people to work overtime.
And police are just not responding.
But why would you?
But why would you?
I mean, this is something I wrote years ago, and I know we're running long, but let's just keep going.
I mean, this is something I wrote back then, and I was in a pretty cynical mood when I said it, but I basically said, you know, white cops, stop babysitting these people.
Just stop doing it.
Like, it's not worth it.
And I think a lot of cops are sort of taking that Advice to hard in the sense that they just sort of stay in their car.
They don't put themselves at risk.
But why would you?
I mean, think of the cops who responded to the George Floyd incident.
I mean, some of them were convicted just for standing around.
They didn't even do anything.
They weren't even looking at him.
I mean, they're like watching the crowd.
They're not.
They're not even their job is not like paying attention to what's going on there.
They're doing something else and they're still getting convicted of stuff.
You're always worried about like some lawsuit.
You're always worried about people shoving cell phones in your face.
And then they say, oh, you know, you said this, you did this.
You've got a lot of people waiting to just dump down your throat.
So given that it wasn't like this when you took the job, I remember there was a, I mean, you're the movie guy.
You remember that film a few years ago called Let's Be Cops?
Where these two losers basically pretend to be police officers to pick up girls just because of the certain cachet that came with the job.
You could never make that movie now.
It's a very, it's a funny movie.
Yeah.
But you could, I mean, it's a totally, it's from the before time.
It's from the long, long ago.
You could just never do that now.
And because it wouldn't make sense.
It's not even a political correctness thing.
It's just that culture is just gone.
But now you have people who have obviously been in the service for a while.
They probably wouldn't have been cops if it was like this when they joined, but they have to deal with it.
They got to get their pensions.
They got to get the retirement.
So why wouldn't you just phone it in?
And it's sort of, if I had to summarize the entire national mood, particularly post 2020, that seems to be how The whole country is moving.
Everyone's just sort of phoning it in.
Everybody just kind of has this idea that there's no point in really sacrificing for the system because the system doesn't have your back.
And so you just sort of take what you can out of it.
And that's it.
And it's poison and it's suicide for us as a nation going forward.
But at the same time, I can't tell people That they're doing the wrong thing, responding in this way, because it actually is true that the system does not have your back.
It actually is true that the worst among us get the most from the system, and that if you do anything for the true, the beautiful, and the good, I mean, you're going to be chewed up and spat out.
So why would you do it?
I mean, certainly there have been a number of cases since the Daniel Penney case in New York City subways, where somebody is like, well, why didn't you intervene?
And you'll see, I mean, it's hilarious almost if it wasn't so It wasn't so just black, the black in the sense of darkest reaches of the soul, not a racial thing, but you see these women saying, why didn't men step up while this guy was berating me or trying to steal my iPod or whatever else?
And it's like, are you out of your mind?
Like, why would they do that?
Because you'd be the first to throw them under the bus.
That's why.
I mean, you have to have a culture that encourages positive behavior or people just aren't going to do it.
And that's certainly you at least have to have basic legal protections for people who are defending their life and property.
I mean, insofar as there is, I mean, certainly El Salvador shows that it's always possible to win and it's possible to win very quickly.
But if you were talking about what real populism was look like, if you were talking about what's an agenda, Where you could actually give people a reason to come out for a particular candidate.
I think in a single sentence, it would be give people a stake in the system again, because right now there's a regime that rules you and that you pay taxes to, but in a weird way, it just has nothing to do with you.
And insofar as it gets involved in your life, it's just sort of to make things worse.
And it does things like Goofing off in Ukraine or Israel or wherever else and it's like it takes your money, but it doesn't really like it doesn't really have an impact on The issues that you are concerned about nobody seems to be paying attention to those things with those with very rare exceptions but there is somebody like There does seem to be people like really crying out for somebody to respond to these things and certainly just cracking down on crime Would be the easiest thing in the world to do
I would love to see even, I mean, I guess it'll be really interesting to see and then we should maybe end it on this.
The immigration issue in Texas is probably the most important issue because here you have a very definitive line between the federal government that's promoting chaos and disorder, and chaos and disorder are bad by themselves before we even get into what our immigration policy should be.
And then you have Texas, which just won that Supreme Court case, Which says that they are actually allowed to enforce immigration laws.
So why not just do it and dare the federal government to stop you?
Why not throw it down?
I mean, especially now that the Supreme Court says you're allowed to.
We live in an age devoid of heroes.
It's why it wouldn't take much.
I mean, you know, you're walking down the street and you're just like tripping all over the crowns that are lying in the gutters everywhere.
Yeah.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why Kyle Rittenhouse, a guy who was, I think he was 17.
Yeah.
2020.
I mean, I, I remember back in 2020 when the McCluskey's stood their ground when everything was happening in St.
Louis.
And I thought, wow, that's the moment.
This is the moment the pushback begins.
And, of course, it just didn't because, unfortunately, the country wasn't ready.
The language wasn't set yet.
And I just I kind of feel like there's this in a lot of ways.
Enough people realize the old country's gone and Kyle Rittenhouse and everything that he stands for is a facsimile.
It's a it's it's it's a it's a duplication of the old country and people want People know that there's something better than that.
And that's kind of what Trump represents.
We all know.
The esoteric Trumpism.
Exactly.
And I wrote a forward for a book that Arctos put out recently, a collection of essays.
So, you know, I wrote a forward for it.
So obviously I endorse it called Esoteric Trumpism.
And it had a lot of interesting takes on the candidate and other the possible future and everything else.
The thing about Trump, I was actually listening, I think it might have actually been Nick Fuentes who said this, where he said, the thing about Trump is that by all accounts, he wasn't particularly interested in governing.
And you have to kind of understand what he is.
And if you think of, if you take actually even the liberals on him, that Trump is only interested in Trump, only interested in his legacy and his fame and whatever else.
Even if you accept that, first of all, I don't think that's totally fair given how much he's sacrificed and given all the misery they're putting him through.
I'm sure, like, he wishes he hadn't run if that was the only thing.
But what people see in him and the way people respond to him and The very fact that he was able to just absolutely cruise back to the GOP nomination and just annihilate everybody.
I mean, there weren't even primaries, really.
There was no suspense about any of this.
He didn't even come close to losing anything.
I mean, that's crazy from the perspective of where we were in January 2021, especially after January 6th.
So the fact that people are rallying to something like that, the fact that even though I think the polls are turning in the wrong direction, he's still up in most national polls and up significantly more in most battleground state polls.
The fact that people are responding in this way, what does that tell you if they're responding like that to him?
It's not, I mean, I know it's personality and charisma and just that weird magnetism that he has, I mean, just because he's so much fun to listen to and everything else, but It can't just be that.
It's something more.
I mean, there's a certain yearning for national restoration and an understanding that A strong leader really could fix this.
I mean, one of the biggest lies they tell us is that these problems are so complicated.
And that's why the media says, oh, experts say like we need the root causes and everything else.
The root causes is that the media won't let us solve the problems with very easy solutions.
We all know what the solutions are.
It would take 10 minutes.
And this isn't just crazy esoteric theories.
It's we can see it all around the world in places where it actually was done and it works.
And everywhere we face the same problems, everywhere we face the same enemies and everywhere we face the same people saying we're not allowed to solve these things and we could do it tomorrow.
It's just a question of having a leader and having the will.
Yeah.
And I think that's why people rallied around.
That's why they rallied around Trump.
I mean, cause they see it in them rightly or wrongly.
That's why people, that's why people look at Daniel Penny and they see that situation as a reminder of the, The horror of standing up too early.
There's a great line in Count of Monte Cristo, the one that came out in like, what, 2002?
Treason is a matter of dates.
That wasn't from Count of Monte Cristo.
It was Talleyrand said that in real life.
Because Talleyrand obviously had lived through the French Revolution and all the various coups and switches of governments and everything else.
And treason is a matter of dates.
There's another, there's a famous case near the end of The protectorate after the English Civil War is when Cromwell, when Oliver Cromwell had overthrown the monarchy after he died when his kid was trying to run things.
Toward the end, there was sort of this like preemptive royalist rising and it didn't work.
And so the guy gets arrested and he gets thrown in the tower.
But it was, it was close enough to the restoration when they invited Charles II back and he became king again, that this dude had essentially written his own ticket.
And so he got a pension and everybody was telling him like what a great hero he was for doing all this.
Whereas if he had done that three years before, he just would have been executed and all his money would have been taken and that would have been the end of it.
I mean politics really is just a question of timing more than anything else and there's a certain like I said before regarding Kyle Rittenhouse unfortunate disavowals of certain people it's everybody has their line and even no matter how hardcore you think you are there are certain lines you're not going to cross either because you just don't believe in these things or Because you think it's tactically unsound.
I mean, one of the things that makes me truly honored to work for Jared Taylor, and this is just kind of a personal thing, but I think it's important to say, is with Jared Taylor, there's no plotting, there's no scheming.
What he says in private is what he says in public.
What he thinks is the right thing is what he publicly says is the right thing.
He doesn't take certain stances out of calculation.
He takes certain stances or talks about certain things or doesn't talk about certain things because he thinks that's the way things are, which is a very honorable way to conduct oneself.
But it's also vanishingly rare in politics.
Most people in politics and most people in life are.
There's kind of like a program running in your brain at all times, sort of calculating cost benefit, and you understand that.
Even if you want to do something, if you say something, it may cost you.
And when you're doing what we are, I mean the fact that, you know, the James Kirkpatrick, Gregory Hood thing, which all started like 15 years ago, the fact that you use pen names, the fact that you might try to do multiple things at once, The fact that you're pushing one issue but maybe staying silent about something else.
It's always this question of of calculation and you don't want to go too far because if you go too far you might antagonize the people you need instead of bringing them along.
But at some point you do have to just say like enough is enough.
Like at some point you do have to offer just like total commitment, total sincerity, total authenticity.
And I don't want this to sound self-serving but I just think we're Very, we may not be there yet, but we're pretty close because the situation is getting pretty dire.
And at the same time, the opportunities are also more promising than ever before.
Certainly you and I would have dreamed of this 15 years ago.
And that's like now, but like, if not now, when, because like, I promise you guys five years from now, we are not barring radical change.
We are not going to be able to do things like this, even have a podcast.
No, you can have a conversation like this.
You don't even have a conversation like this.
Yeah, forget it.
I think what's so edifying and what's so revealing about everything, it's again, why is, why, why did black lives matter?
Why did black show up in mass in one of the most violent cities in the entire world?
Not just the United States.
You know, Baltimore, St.
Louis, Memphis, Jackson.
These are some of the most violent cities on the planet and we know who commits the crime.
They show up some, I'm going to say this and I don't mean to disparage him, but some goofy conservative little white guy who's never had an original thought in his entire life.
Who, who's just a good guy.
He's the kind of person that you would wave to if you were at the grocery store, you'd want to have as a neighbor, but Kyle Rittenhouse is, I mean, again, he wanted to make things better in a city not far from where he lived.
That was abandoned by its own government.
Exactly.
He shows up.
He knows how to engage in AR-15.
I think it actually jammed.
I mean, it's actually... Yeah, it was pretty remarkable what he was actually... I mean, and again, the only reason anybody knows about this is because... I mean, the trial was unbelievable content.
I almost feel like we should have...
She makes like a documentary, because there were so many like memable moments and great things.
You remember the prosecutor taking the AR-15 and pointing it at the juror, at the juries with the, and he had like his hand on the trigger and stuff.
And it's like, dude, what are you doing?
You're not supposed to do that.
Oh, incredible.
But the fact that he was able to do that in that kind of a stressful situation, I mean, again, it's, It's almost providential, uh, the fact that he, it worked out the way it did, but it also means that when he goes to a college campus for whatever reason, you know, maybe there was something valuable to bring to the table, uh, if he hadn't been disrupted so much, maybe not.
But the fact that you have this just militant rage and hatred when this, there's no mystery about anything that happened.
These are people who saw the same videos that we did and they're reacting this way.
It should really trouble you, and it should force you to ask some difficult questions about, and I just want to put it to everybody, and I think I'll end it there, Paul, unless you want to have anything else to add, but I'll just put it to you guys.
When you see these people in Memphis, mostly blacks, rioting, attacking people, screaming how great it is that their city is a corrupt dump filled with murderers and trash, are these people American?
Are these people your countrymen?
Do you have anything in common with these people?
Whatsoever?
I don't know.
I mean, again, fundamentally, the ultimate reality of what this whole situation means.
Separation is the only logical conclusion, and the longer we delay it, the more the insanity of what will come becomes inevitable.
And people ask, like, what's the solution?
The solution is a country of our own.
Full stop.
And everything, I mean, there's, we can tell, well, you know, this, and we can argue about religion and we can argue about this, that, and the other, you know, what legal structure and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
At the end of the day, the solution is white homeland, full stop.
And the fact is we actually had one for a long time and it was called the United States of America.
And the documents of this country said it, defined it explicitly as such.
The woke are more correct than the mainstream.
They're right about that.
And here's the thing, we don't have to say white.
It was the United States of America.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing.
That's the funny thing about conservatives is we are, we are a cheap date in many ways.
I think if we got 90% of what we wanted, we would, we'd be satisfied with that and be like, all right, good enough and go find something else to do with our lives.
But the problem is that the left does not settle.
And this is what gives it a certain strength.
It's because their vision of the world is not just wrong, but also impossible.
Like, you can't imagine what an egalitarian world would look like, even in theory.
Like, it's just not a thing.
It's like saying, You know, we need a world where I don't need sleep or to eat food or breathe oxygen.
I mean, that's just, it's a meaningless statement.
You're just making up random things.
Like, oh, I should be able to fly.
And the fact that I can is an injustice.
I mean, you're just making things up at this point.
Whereas you can point to many regimes, many countries, many different times in history, where if you said, or certainly times in this country's history, not even that long ago, where if you said, what do you want?
And you were like, yeah, pretty much that.
I would take that.
It's actually because it's realistic.
It's actually because there are only a few specific things that I think most people would agree with.
Huge majorities, in fact, would agree with.
If you just did those things, you didn't even do any white national stuff or radical revolutionary stuff.
If you just did a few common sense things, most people would respond positively to it and you would get 90% of what you want.
But that's also why we lose.
Because the people who Go nuts and the people who put themselves on the line and the people who are willing to do everything Are also the people who are in some sense insane And the some people and the people who are trying to as the conservatives would say back in the day They're trying to amenitize the eschaton They're trying to bring heaven to earth, which is an impossible mission and it leads to great suffering for all involved but that is what people want to do and there's something within us that that drives toward that and that's sort of the essential contradiction that we face is that
You know, what did the poet say that the the worst are full of passionate intensity and.
We certainly see that with the way politics are now, where I think you have more people coming around to a lot of our ideas, but.
It's not fully hammered out into an ideology.
They follow different leaders.
They might be confused.
They might have conspiracies about this, that, the other thing.
They might, like, say, agree with 90% of what you're saying, but then be like, and the people who are running everything is the World Economic Forum and King Charles III or something like that.
And it's like, no, but, you know, you're trying to herd cats to get everybody to do this stuff.
Whereas the other side is just willing to go to the mat on everything.
And it's because It's driven by a totally boundless and neuroticism that cannot be satisfied no matter what actually happens.
Like even if they had total absolute power, that drive would never go away.
And that's why it's so formidable.
When we think of leftism or progressivism in terms of certain economic policies or certain cultural policies, you can agree with it, you can disagree with it.
Some of these things, if you and I talked about it, we might even agree with some of it.
But when we think of what leftism really is today, I don't even consider it a political philosophy.
I just consider it an almost biological and spiritual drive for entropy and destruction.
And it's not to be negotiated with, it's just to be defeated.
By any means necessary.
That's right.
You want to wrap it up there?
Yeah, I mean, again, I think that's ultimately what Kyle Rittenhouse means.
We want to, so many people want to believe the system still exists and yet all the evidence shows the guy should have been convicted and he's, you know, it was just by some happenstance it didn't happen.
And we all know that this was like almost the last hurrah of the old America and we cannot Negotiate with people who do not believe in the same set of rules, the same set of fair play that we do.
You can't play a game if one side doesn't agree to the same rules delineating how the game's going to be played.
And that's it.
And that's fundamentally where we are.
At a certain point, you got to just walk off the court if that's how it's going to be.
No, not just walk off the court.
You just basically say, hey, you know what?
Checkmate, man.
Whatever, checkmate by your fulsomeness.
I mean, sorry, I mean, you know, at some point you just say, hey, game over.
Game over.
I think that's it.
Game over.
There's no more time to be screwing around.
The rules are gone.
The law is gone.
State is anarcho-tyranny.
That is the nature of the regime.
And it's time people accept it and then all there is to discuss is the logistics and the tactics of getting from here to there and doing what must be done.
So with that, I'm going to wrap it up.
Thank you, Paul.
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