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Hello, everyone.
Welcome to View From the Right.
I'm Gregory Hood.
I'm here again with Paul Kersey.
And this week, we will be talking about what is either the precursor to the most significant change in America in 150 years, or the next episode in absolutely nothing happens.
That is, of course, the Texas border controversy.
All right, let's get right into it.
What do you think?
I mean, I'm on Team Nothing Happens.
I'm just going to put my bias out there from the beginning.
Do you think there's something more to this?
Wait, Mr. Hood, first off, thank you everyone who listened to our first episode of View From The Right.
Again, we're so excited to be bringing this to you guys now here.
New Century Foundation bringing out another podcast.
Great, great.
Paul Kersey got a lot of emails from people who didn't know this was coming.
Again, this is a supplement to the podcast that Jared Taylor and I do.
So I'm very excited to be talking to who I think is one of the most important people on the planet, voicing our ideas and creating a perspective that is sorely needed.
And that, of course, is Mr. Hood, Mr. Mr. Kirkpatrick, whatever iteration you want to refer to him.
And I actually don't.
It's not nothing, but it's not what a lot of people want it to be, but it's a reminder of how precarious the situation is when you still have so many people who believe in the old America, Mr. Hood, and they just want some alternative desperately.
They see it.
Yeah, they're reading what they want to see into stuff, which by itself tells you something.
I mean, you could argue if you wanted to get really Cynical about it.
You could argue that a lot of it is what people see into Trump because Obviously if you if you look at what Trump actually did if you in terms of what he promised you it would be very hard to argue that he wasn't a disappointment, but I think the fanaticism Going into 2024 is actually stronger than it was in 2016 and I'm as guilty of that, too certainly what's going on with Texas is I mean, I think it's nothing if we get into the specifics of the court decision and What is supposedly happening, and again, this is the media making false reporting, and this is why people go nuts, is they were saying, well, Texas is defying a Supreme Court order.
Well, it was actually doing nothing of the kind.
What the Supreme Court said is that the Border Patrol has the right to tear down these border defenses.
Now, that's crazy enough that the federal government would seek to tear down border defenses put up by the state, but that's all it said.
It didn't say that Texas Couldn't put up new ones.
And so Texas isn't actually defying anything.
They're just doing what they were doing.
And there's still going to be a further court hearing to decide some of the more substantive things at stake here.
Now, if there was anything that would be substantive, it would be Texas actually defying the Supreme Court even more than immigration.
That would be the hallmark that the constitutional order is starting to crumble.
There's nothing like that going on.
That's not stopping people from saying things like, well, 25 states have sided with Texas and therefore the next civil war is about to begin.
I mean, I don't I don't think that there's any.
I don't think that there's any possibility whatsoever that.
We're going to see this spiral out of control.
I don't think that there are any of these scenarios where people are saying like, well, the United States is about to enter its warring states period, or it's like feudal Japan, where you're going to have these regional warlords or anything like that.
There's nothing to suggest that's the case.
But what we are seeing is the fact that there's this huge number of people, let's be blunt, white people around the country who understand that their country is being taken away from them, who understand that there's nobody doing anything about it, and they're so desperate for a champion, and they're so desperate for some kind of institutional power to be at their back.
And I think that's all this is.
Yeah, you think about the states that joined into this.
Situation you know in my opinion the best state in the country right now is Missouri or Alabama Missouri is doing so many wonderful things to try and nullify the ATF They're doing and they've done so much to that's the state that has done so much post Michael Brown I mean again you think about all that's happened.
Mr. Hood you had Trayvon Martin.
I think in 2012 Michael Brown was 2014 you had the Baltimore riots was that 2015 with I can't Freddie Gray, Freddie Gray, Freddie Gray, the
Freddie Gray riots of Baltimore has never recovered from that.
Baltimore, I don't remember.
We all remember just a few weeks ago when you had the woke corporate head who was basically
executed in her own building by that black guy that let in.
Everybody felt sad about it for a day.
And then that was it.
Nobody learned anything from the controversy Nothing has been changed and Baltimore will continue to plum into the depths I mean this I think the big thing that has changed now is that nobody's I mean used to get these arguments like well These are serious problems but the solutions are complicated used to get this when you would hear about immigration or hear about crime and Now I think they've just kind of moved past this stuff that if you care about this stuff, you're a bad person or more accurately, you're low status.
So they're not denying the problem.
They're just openly saying like, yeah, we're going to do this.
We're going to do this because it's bad for you.
And there's nothing you can do about that.
Certainly one of the more significant things that you're seeing.
It's from a number of reporters and then just today from a Texas state representative talking, you know, people openly fantasizing about blowing up Americans and bombing people and shooting hellfire missiles at people simply for the crime of wanting their own immigration laws enforced.
Now, President Joe Biden is saying, well, there's this border security thing.
If the Republicans sign it and send it to my desk, I'll shut down the border.
But he doesn't need any new authority to shut down the border.
As a matter of fact, day one, he removed all the border protections in place.
That it kept the border situation under control up to this point.
What's happening now is not a failure of the government, it's a success of the government.
This is policy in action.
And if we can't be honest about that, we can't get anywhere.
Certainly, I think we'd be better off if you had people focusing on forces within the Republican Party who are trying to push this new amnesty bill.
I think we'd be better suited pushing, putting pressure on people like that than fantasizing about, you know, a new Texas Republic arising.
I mean, let's face it, when Governor Abbott, when Governor Abbott was pushing through this bill, let's face it, he was in India on a mission to expand legal immigration.
Somehow, I don't think this guy is going to lead to the rebirth of the Confederacy.
No, no, he's not.
But at the same time, You put into context everything that's happened with the, I don't want to call it showboating, but what at first seemed like kind of a lark of sending illegal aliens and busing them to Chicago and to New York and to Martha's Vineyard.
And we saw, you know, basically what, it was a couple score of illegals in Martha's Vineyard that then had the, had a massive, like the same day.
Yeah, exactly.
It just showed you how quickly this could all be done.
And at the same time, You know, what we're seeing in 2024, it's still so weird to say 2024 because in my opinion, I don't know, Mr. Hood, sometimes I still think we're in 2020 and that COVID, again, we should get these past four years back.
But anyways, the point is, you know, there's the context of the Civil War is so weird to
think about, because in what, in 1860, 1861, you know, you basically had this very tenuous
situation between the North and the South, where, you know, every state that came into
the Union was gonna be a slave state or not a slave state.
And so it was all about which power was gonna get more power.
We're now a full country right now We're an empire probably our Zenith was probably a couple decades ago.
You know, I just heard that Tucker Carlson He he did this Podcast where you said that Donald Trump wants to take America back to the 80s and you and I are You and I were both born in the 80s mid 80s And so we we know what that decade was like because we were immersed in that culture when we first started become cognizant of what you know life was like and you know the United States now the whole context of the Civil War
It's fascinating to think about some of the states that didn't send in and didn't side with Texas, like Kentucky for that matter.
Kentucky has a Democrat governor.
It's probably the most Republican after maybe Missouri or Wyoming or Alabama, the most Republican state, most conservative state in the union.
They ran a black Republican.
ex-military guy married to a white woman, Mr. Hood, as the Republican candidate for governor.
He lost to a white guy, a Democrat, who has a beautiful white wife and a beautiful white family.
And yet every other major office in that election, the Republicans dominated.
And it's like, hey, that's pretty base, Kentucky.
Way to shoot down this candidate.
Yeah, the Kentucky Attorney General.
Side of a Texas and all that.
Exactly.
The Kentucky Attorney General said, hey governor, I can't remember his name, Basham or Basir, whoever the governor of Kentucky is, forgive me if you're listening from the bluegrass state, but Thankfully, they don't have a Republican governor, a black guy, just, you know, again, that's what they ran.
It was pathetic.
And I mean, to me, the most important thing is to get over running these ridiculous black candidates.
Michigan did that in the Senate.
They ran some black Apache Army officer married to a white woman for Senate, and he got destroyed.
And it's like, guys, you know, these are winnable elections, especially in Kentucky.
And That's the ultimate lesson of where we are now, because you have to have the right personnel in place.
And we're seeing that in a lot of key states.
And you're seeing the right reactions of people.
You're seeing, I mean, even Brian Kemp.
Remember back in 2018 when Brian Kemp ran for governor of Georgia?
Yes, and it was all culture war stuff.
It was Stone Mountain.
It was It was all at least a very nuanced, but still there, somewhat defensive Confederate monuments.
Certainly his reputation was kind of trashed by 2020, but you had a lot of right-wingers going down to work in Georgia because they saw this as kind of an existential election.
And at some level, it was.
It's just a question of where you come down on the whole 22 thing.
Just real quick, I just want to note, Kentucky Governor is Andy Brashear.
Yeah, if I could, I'm so sorry to interrupt though, but what I'm saying is when Brian Kemp was running, I believe in the primary, what differentiated him from his opponent was he ran a number of ads with a shotgun saying it's time to round up illegals and deport them.
That's what Catapulted Brian Kemp.
Yep.
Yep.
Into the driver's seat for the Republican nominee.
And then, of course, he had all the hysterical press coverage about him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, of course, he's now been he's now run Georgia as basically a chamber of commerce governor.
And, of course, when he ran against Stacey Abrams, he barely won in twenty eighteen.
But in twenty twenty two, he won, I believe, like forty five, maybe forty 54% of the of the vote, which is which is a big win in a state like Georgia where they are now, especially in the back.
So my point is this.
I'm with you.
It's this is not going to be anything right now, but at the same time it's a reminder of what people want.
There's an appetite.
You know people want something beside the status quo and anything that resembles.
A deviation from the script we've all been reading for the past couple decades.
That's what people want.
That's what Trump was, a disruption.
And there is a opportunity for someone.
And again, you've been very critical of DeSantis on Twitter and a horrible campaign he ran against Trump.
He came out and actually had a number of very good things to say on Twitter in terms of what his view on the situation at the border.
You know, you talk about power.
Again, I think it's goofy that these guys are reciting the Federalist Papers.
None of this matters anymore.
But the point is, there's still people who want to believe that it matters.
And again, at some point when you're getting kicked in the face with sand, you've got to react or you're just going to take all that sand in the eye and never get up.
And I guess my hope is that people, white people, are prepared to get up and do something.
Well, one of the things that this all shows is how much local elections matter.
I mean, I would say about DeSantis, certainly he's been a pretty good governor.
It's a shame that he ran for president.
I think he was kind of talked into it in a year when I don't think anybody was going to topple Trump.
He's certainly doing a lot better and I think sounding more like himself now that he's not having to recite these scripts given to him by consultants or whoever else.
I mean, when he's just being himself, I think he's not the most charismatic guy.
He's certainly not, you know, some leader of men who's going to make everybody drop everything and run down to Florida, but he's got a certain wonky competence that I think a lot of people are looking for.
And in a different year, maybe it could have gotten somewhere.
It's just wasn't this year.
I think he's better served being a governor now, and I hope this doesn't destroy what he was building in Florida.
All that said, let's not kid ourselves.
If things keep continuing the way they are on the path that we're on, regardless of whether you have good candidates, regardless of whether you have a good ground game, regardless if you run the best campaigns and raise the most money and maybe take certain referendums off the ballot and push this issue instead of that issue, None of it matters because the country's just gone within 25 years at latest.
I mean, if you want to get technical, you could say like, well, maybe we can win for a few more decades if we have this thing.
None of it really matters.
And once you get to a certain point, it just, you stop caring whether you're going to lose the country in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years, if it ends up the same at any given point.
And so, Given that there has to be a disruption, given that there has to be a very extreme disruption, the more time that goes by, the worse off we get.
And I think that's another thing that a lot of people were sort of seeing what they wanted to see with all this because, you know, if there's going to be a confrontation, let it come now.
Well, the odds are still somewhat in our favor, but there's not going to be a confrontation.
And in a weird way, the people who want there to be a confrontation, the people who are urging a confrontation are also the most likely to screw this up somehow.
Because they're the most likely to believe their own propaganda and create a bad situation.
I mean, certainly you see some of these people with this excitable rhetoric where they're like, Oh, let's just grab our guns and go down to the border.
It's like, no, please do not do that.
Like, cause we all know how that'll end and nothing is to be gained from it.
One of the big lessons that we can.
See from all of American history and also English history, is that when it comes to the Anglo-Saxon peoples, it always has to be done in a certain institutional way.
Even in the English Civil War, it was done via the Parliament.
In the American Revolution, you had the Committees of Correspondence and then the Congressional Congress, which were set up by the state legislatures.
In the American Civil War, you had the state legislatures.
I mean, secession was a legal process in a lot of these cases.
It wasn't just random people Coming together declaring the Union is dissolved and I don't I think people who you think it's all just gonna like spiral apart or that random warlords are just gonna crop up in random places and Decide that the Union is dissolved and all these crazy things are going to happen or are kidding themselves It's probably going to be through institutions and local governments that exist now and if we look at the Soviet collapse It tends to be the people who are pretty boring and not really true believers
I mean, the thing to look for is when the central government can no longer enforce its writ or when it becomes a financial liability to a lot of these states.
Now, one of the things that the federal government did in response to what Texas is doing is it restricted LNG exports, and a lot of people are seeing that.
I mean, it's going to hurt Europe, too, but it was also seen as kind of a slap at Texas.
Certainly, if you had a real political conversation.
Mr. Hood, explain what you mean by that.
You're talking about liquid, liquefied natural gas.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so a lot of this decision shocked a lot of people.
And if you read sort of the background on this, the reason they did it is basically, you know, some climate activists who were like in their early 20s, like told the White House, like, hey, you should do this.
And they were like, oh, OK.
Do you know what this might be of?
What's that?
It reminded, it reminded me of the opening to Star Wars Episode One, The Phantom Menace, when it talked about the Trade Federation and this silly little goofy conflict that seemingly is nothing.
And it's like, why would the federal government do that?
Like, I mean, again, the government, you believe this, I believe this, a government should exist to make the life of the people who actually are part and are citizens of And it was, it was rescinded because it was working.
that has elected this government or this bureaucracy, whatever, to oversee life,
you're supposed to make life better.
And yet everything that we've seen since Biden became president, as you just noted,
one of the first acts that he did was to rescind what Trump had at the border, which was working.
And it was rescinded because it was working.
I mean, this is one of the, I mean, one of the things people, I mean, politics 101,
any ruling elite is always gonna put its own interests first
and insofar as there is a quote unquote common good or good of the people or the nation or anything like that,
no, an elite's always gonna identify that with its own good.
And this is true in every single case.
There are no exceptions.
Now, if you look at the ruling class that we have now, what is it that they're trying to accomplish?
Well, The fewer people who are able to organize their own lives, the more racial chaos that we have, the more people are able to mobilize against what you and I would consider the historic American nation.
The more opportunities there are to redistribute income, the more opportunities there are to administer various programs, the more opportunities there are to transfer political power to their own constituents and to their own appointees, the more they can give patronage to people in NGOs and people within various government bureaucracies, and of course, When your institutional interests lie in one direction, you tend to morally believe these things, too.
I mean, they really believe what they're saying, and they also materially benefit from it, and the two things usually go together.
Where you stand is where you sit, that old saying.
And the idea that it is some—it's basically just A hair short of fascism to actually enforce immigration law.
That would have been taken as crazy even 20 years ago when you could find guys like Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid and all these, and Biden for that matter, and all these other Democrats talking about things like sanctuary cities is the stupidest idea ever.
Now they all truly believe it.
And most of their followers believe it.
And I think they, if we accept that all politics is about the friend, enemy distinction, what I think our rulers see as the enemy are the people who are still naive enough to think that the historic American nation still exists, and who they see as friends are basically every non-white person in the entire world who can be brought in and serve as voters and political allies against the enemy class.
I mean, that is the reality of what we face.
Now, the problem, of course, is that that moral certainty contrasts With the people on our side who really don't have any unity.
They don't have a sense of themselves as a people.
They certainly have the law on their side, but the law is just whatever a judge decides it is.
And, you know, let's talk about the Supreme Court ruling for a second.
You had the four women and then the four women and then Chief Justice John Roberts all siding with the administration.
And it's very clear.
I mean, we all knew.
That how this was going to play out.
And we also knew that Chief Justice Roberts would cave, just like he caved with Obamacare, because his number one priority, as has been revealed in story after story, is preserving the quote unquote legitimacy of the Supreme Court.
And by legitimacy of the Supreme Court, he means good opinion among liberals.
I mean, it's remarkable when you think of how many cultural Transformations in the United States just simply would not have happened were it not for rulings by the Supreme Court.
But leftists understand that if the Supreme Court says something, conservatives are going to be like, well, OK, that's the law, and then they're just going to obey it.
Whereas if leftists don't like the law, they just disobey it until they get their way.
I mean, that's a tremendous advantage for their side.
No, it's an advantage that is It's it's kind of difficult to articulate what that means when one side believes so vigorously that the law is going to be maintained while the while at the same time simultaneously the other side decides to dictate how it's going to be just by using violence.
I mean look what we've seen since the George Floyd stuff.
I mean basically when the third precinct burned back in Late May, I think it was late May of 2020 there in Minneapolis and the governor, I'm sorry, the mayor of Minneapolis just decided, oh yeah, look, just pull back and it burned.
And that's become, to me, that was the moment that everything changed because you lost the monopoly on violence and the left since then has been able to decide what exactly what that means.
And that's why That's kind of why I think everybody has been waiting for that pendulum, Mr. Hood, to swing.
And that's why this Texas situation is so fascinating, because it's almost as if the right has accepted so many people on our side.
And I don't mean our side.
People who lean Republican and lean conservative, they just keep waiting that, OK, there's going to be punchback.
There's going to be a punchback.
And it's like, oh, this was it.
This was it.
This is so great.
You know, you've got you've got all these all these governors, all these all these normally cuckish governors, like I said, Kemp.
The governor from South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, they just elected a Republican governor.
You know, the Iowa, the, you know, all these governors, everyone's like, yes, this is such a great moment.
But the point is, it's almost as if it's like when Trump was tweeting law and order back during the riots of George Floyd.
Does it amount to anything?
Or is it just posturing?
It's just posturing.
I mean, you could argue that, well, they haven't actually ruled on the substantive court case yet, and maybe something else will happen, but let's face it.
I mean, even Nikki Haley was defending this thing.
And when you have Nikki Haley defending these kinds of actions, let's not kid ourselves that there's going to be any kind of revolutionary potential here.
And it's not even that it should be revolutionary potential.
You essentially have a situation where the federal government, the president, the Department of Homeland Security, is simply refusing to enforce immigration law.
They all know what it is.
And every once in a while, the House makes some noise about impeaching Secretary of Homeland Security, Maricus, but they haven't actually done it.
And they probably couldn't get the votes to do it.
And if they did do it, the press coverage would probably scare them away because What the media says ultimately goes in a lot of circles and the extreme opinion now is actually enforcing the laws that are on the books.
We have this unfortunate situation where, where Trump comes in, he closed the borders somewhat, although not as fully as I would like, but he at least limited the damage, but he didn't reverse any of it.
And then when Biden came in, He basically ripped the bandages off and opened up all the wounds all over again.
So even if Trump gets back in there and stops it, the damage has been done.
I mean, this is why so many people on our side are saying you actually need mass deportation.
You actually need some sort of effort to actually encourage self deportation, which even Mitt Romney was talking about when he ran for president.
Wouldn't be particularly hard to do.
You would actually need to start using E-Verify to go after businesses that hire illegals.
You need to do all these things, but There's a great deal of the Republican Party that simply does not want these things to happen and will fight furiously against any attempts to do these things.
I mean, one of the big questions we have to ask ourselves is how much of the Republican Party, I mean, this is, I think a lot of people might think I'm a bit too cynical on this, but I'm seeing more and more evidence for my position all the time.
I think a good chunk of the Republican politicians really do despise their own voters.
Like, they want them gone.
I think they're tired of having to kiss up to these people, and they want to deliver cheap labor and foreign wars and, you know, appease various ethnic lobbies the way the Democrats do, and they find it tiresome to have to talk about America and the Constitution and You know, God and country and all these other bromides that Republicans still care about.
I mean, I think it's when you see Republicans stepping forward to propose an amnesty bill right now, when the Biden administration is clearly on the defensive for probably the first time in the entire history of this administration on this issue, why you would throw them a life raft at this moment.
I find it hard to think of another explanation other than contempt, both for the voters and also for President Trump.
Well, we know it's dead in the water in the House.
So to me, that's that's OK, because the Senate, you know, they you know, the higher you get up in American politics and a lot of these states, the more you're going to be electing sociopaths or Or people who are compromised.
You know, you have to, sometimes I wonder what exactly they have.
I don't want to get too conspiratorial, but talk about the Epstein stuff.
You know, what exactly do they, you know, who's the, what's the guy's name?
Lindsey Graham from South Carolina.
I mean, again, what was, what did he tweet out today after this?
Well, he wants to bomb Iran because those three American soldiers were killed.
But I mean, the question is not, do they have something on a lot of these guys, say they do.
I wonder how many of them would even need something like that.
My assertion is not that they have something on these people.
My assertion is that they're doing what they're doing voluntarily, gleefully, with full intent, with full freedom.
And I think part of it is because, again, if we think of every ruling elite serves its interest, I think Republican politicians, they know which way everything's going.
I think they have, they understand that If this country continues along the road that it's on, that it's finished and that those who stand in the way of it will be considered disgraced by history and not get anything from it.
And so I think they, they intend to just make what profits they can now and get out.
And one of the big failures of the American right is it can't fund them.
I mean, this is just inherent to conservatism.
It just can't.
Think of another world being possible, aside from what we have now.
The idea that, well, we could actually change these kinds of arrangements, or we could have a figure of power who could change the way power is deployed.
Or we could actually, there are all these people in the country now, but we could make them leave by using state power.
The way, say, even a moderate Republican like Dwight D. Eisenhower was able to do.
Yeah.
All of these things These things are just unthinkable to Republicans, and I say this with some experience.
I remember, and you can back me up on this, when working in the conservative movement, where you would talk to a Republican politician or somebody in the conservative movement, and you would talk about self-deportation, or you would talk about, maybe you wouldn't call it that for obvious reasons, but Operation Wetback and what Eisenhower was able to do, and the idea that, you know, there was a time in this country we could actually just make people leave.
And they would just look at you With a certain amount of fear and confusion.
Not that they were offended, but they just had no idea what you were talking about.
That the very idea of fighting back in any kind of a substantive way, the idea that there's anything to be done other than losing in slow motion, is so unthinkable to them.
You know, it actually, I think they're less offended by The politics of it.
I think they're less offended by that on a moral level.
I think they're more offended at the idea of actually fighting back just because in their head it's just not something we're allowed to do.
Yeah, you know, it's funny you mention Eisenhower.
You think about simultaneously his administration doing Operation Wetback where, was it over a million illegal aliens were deported?
Well, left in any event.
They left because of the fear.
But simultaneously, he had the 101st Airborne forcibly, at the point of bayonet, integrate Little Rock, Arkansas.
And those photos are just so fascinating and that that dichotomy of the rule of law being used both against illegals and against American citizens who dared try and say that the Tenth Amendment usurped The power of the federal government, the power of authority.
And so it's fascinating.
I mean, that whole time, you know, 57 to like 63, when you had the situation in Ole Miss, when the Ole Miss students revolted.
We'll talk about that at some point.
I mean, there's so much to talk about during that time period when you had a number of really great individuals in the South stand up.
But unfortunately, it was just too late, even up into the, gosh, What election was it that Goldwater got trounced?
1964.
1964.
My grandfather was actually a professor at North Carolina at that point who wrote speeches for Goldwater.
And yeah, it's pretty cool to have that heritage where my grandfather was a pretty renowned professor.
At University of Richmond, University of North Carolina and Auburn University.
And he was affiliated and very, very well versed with Barry Goldwater.
And it's really cool to think about that because He, I remember my mom told me one time that he said, my children are not tools of a social experiment that has never existed before.
And that was referring to integration.
So that's why he left Chapel Hill to go to Auburn because he did.
You know, North Carolina was too liberal and Alabama was far better.
And I think that's kind of where we are.
You know, you just mentioned the conservative movement, Mr. Hood.
And one of the fascinating things, you and I have both been involved in this for almost two decades.
You know, Pat Buchanan's last book that was not a book about the Nixon administration and his time there or his book about World War Two, the Unnecessary War, but his last bromide, a great word, by the way, that you just used, was Suicide of a Superpower.
Will America survive to 2025?
Do you remember when you actually interviewed him at the bookstore right next to the come at pizza place there in DC. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean this
is one of the, this is sort of the path not taken, is that Buchanan was, clearly Buchanan was a
product of the conservative movement.
I mean, this is a guy who was Ronald Reagan's basically ambassador to the conservative movement.
This is somebody whose roots within the Beltway right were strong, even though he had this reputation as kind of a grassroots champion.
I mean, this is a guy who lived in D.C.
practically his entire life, and I think even now is still in Northern Virginia.
The fanatical hatred with which he was confronted in 1992 and 1996, at a time when we really could have stopped these problems, not just limited the damage, but stopped these problems cold, really shows something because nobody was punished for a lot of the phony predictions that were made at the time.
And let's not forget, the Republican Party After the so-called Republican Revolution in 1994, it could have ended affirmative action.
They didn't do it.
Why?
Because Newt Gingrich listened to a few random black conservatives, who all later defected and called the GOP racist and, you know, left the party anyway, because they thought, like, well, actually, if we support affirmative action, then they'll vote for Republicans from here on out.
Of course, that didn't happen.
They thought Jack Kemp was going to win over all these black votes in the urban centers.
That, of course, didn't happen.
They said all these predictions that, you know, well, wokeness wasn't even a thing, but if we want to call it that kind of like proto-wokeness or multiculturalism, that these are going to be problems, that the situations that are developing on college campuses are going to take over the country, that these things are actually outgrows to the civil rights movement.
All of these things were said, all of these things were brought up by various people, all of these things were ignored.
And of course, one of the biggest ones of all is the immigration amnesty that was signed by President Ronald Reagan, where they said, well, We have all these illegals in the country, but don't worry.
We're never going to let this happen again, but we're going to be nice and Christian and merciful and we're going to give amnesty to these people now.
But then we're going to couple it with immigration enforcement to make sure this never happens again.
And then, of course, they just never did the immigration enforcement.
And I am convinced that In the long run, the only thing the Reagan presidency is ever going to be known for is going to be the immigration amnesty, because that was the death knell of California and probably of the entire country, unless we see a reversal in the next few years.
Now, you could argue that the immigration issue has moved to the center of American politics now, which is true.
I think that one positive thing to this whole Texas controversy is that Even if this is all just for show, even if this is all for nothing, if it puts immigration at the forefront of the campaign, that is good for Trump.
Because if it's not going to be immigration, what it's going to be is President Trump's legal problems and abortion.
That's what it's going to be.
That's what Biden is going to run the campaign on.
And abortion is not an issue that Republicans It's not an issue that Republicans went on.
And that's not up for debate.
It doesn't matter what you think about it.
It's just in these deep red states, it's just getting crushed over and over again.
So the question is, well, what are you going to run on?
And I think immigration is probably the best weapon that he has because you can point to it and say, hey, when I was president, this wasn't a problem.
Now President Biden is in charge.
Now it is a problem.
And of course, what are Senate Republicans trying to do?
They're trying to throw President Biden a lifeline to make sure that he can get away with this.
I mean, to me, the only reason you would do something like that was just your spite.
You know, real quick, talk about state power, you know, going back to California, Pete Wilson,
I think was 95, Prop 187, passed overwhelmingly to deny illegal aliens benefits. Then, of course,
he, I think he tries to run for president in 96. He has a health issue. Gray Davis takes over. And
then they no longer decide to fight for what the actual citizens of California voted for.
and...
And the courts throw it out.
Um, again, it, it comes out of the state power and it comes down to having individuals who will actually fight.
And so going back to the whole conversation we've started trying to bring it back to the beginning, Mr. Hood is you still have So many states that believe in the original intent of the founding fathers.
And that that's the that's the white pill to take from this is that there are people in power, you know, these attorney generals, these individuals who are just waiting to take orders from someone.
I mean, it goes back to the whole concept of the Spanish Civil War when when things break down, as long as there's someone to give orders, as long as there's someone to say, hey, we're in charge here.
You're going to listen to me when, when there's no longer, when there's a decentralized situation.
Again, I'm not saying we're anywhere near that, but I'm pointing out is that we've lived through one of the weirdest time periods in human history where our country was shut.
The world was shut down.
We were told that it was two weeks.
It's off the spread.
And that if you wore a mask, if you walked down one aisle at the grocery store, you wouldn't get this communicable virus.
I mean, you know, we had this crazy economy that started in 2020.
And then all of a sudden you had this, this black guy die in Minneapolis.
And then all of a sudden this color revolution started.
The White House was attacked.
President Trump is taken down to the basement of the White House.
Mr. Hood at the end of May of 2020, the The Joint Chiefs of Staff basically came out and said that they were going to defy his orders as literally some of our most important monuments across the country were taken down.
In some cases, the monument that was at the heart of the Unite the Right situation of 2017 was illegally melted with journalists and black activists gleefully celebrating.
No, that was that was actually the one in Richmond, not the one in Charlottesville.
No, it was the one Charlottesville.
The one in Richmond still stands because I it is the one Charlottesville.
The one in Richmond is still at the waterworks, so.
I'm not sure about that, but the I'll have to double check on that, but the.
Certainly what we've seen is that there without legal without local leaders who are willing to step up and say this far and no further, you're going to.
You don't see any limits unless there's somebody who actually has some kind of institutional power here.
So for example, one of the things that made DeSantis's reputation is he claimed that, and it's a bit unclear when it comes to the COVID lockdowns and stuff, but he said that you didn't see the kind of mass civil disorder in Florida that you saw in a lot of these other states.
But One of the real consequences of this that I think a lot of people on the right are refusing to deal with is if you look at, say, Minnesota, or if you look at Chicago, or if you look at a number of these other cities where objectively, or what we used to say objectively, crime has gotten worse, that a lot of these problems that we used to think that everybody would be against
These problems have gotten worse.
It's actually worked for progressives.
Their political power is stronger than it used to be.
They've paid no price for supporting any of these things.
A lot of these Soros DAs, though there have been some cases where by Soros DAs I mean district attorneys funded by George Soros and other Well, there have been a few that haven't been able to get reelected or maybe have even been had recalls or something like that.
But most of them get reelected.
Most of these policies are in there for good.
And unless you have really sustained public outrage, You're not going to be able to repeal any of these things.
And in order to get that kind of sustained public outrage, you need basically a full-time base of activists who are paid to do this, which you're not going to get outside NGOs.
And most of the NGOs, that's a misnomer because a lot of these NGOs are funded by the government.
And the other thing is you need the media on your side.
Now, You could argue that we have social media, at least with X at this point, and maybe a few other things.
You could argue that the conservative media is able to create a little bit of a movement, especially in some areas.
But the hard reality is that the left got away with just about everything that they did in 2020.
And it's a bit too early to say they got away with it for good.
Certainly, if Trump is somehow able to reclaim office in 2024, I think we will look back on it and say, well, you know, they pushed too hard.
And so the pushback was not what they anticipated.
But maybe this is just me, and I expect your pushback here.
I just don't think that President Trump can be considered the favorite.
Right now.
And unfortunately, without President Trump getting back in office, I don't see how you stop this immigration problem because we've seen the Supreme Court already side with the federal government over the states when it comes to the states trying to enforce immigration law.
Yeah.
Even under a Democrat governor, when Arizona put down those, gosh, forgive me what they're called, the No, no, no, no, no.
It was the past year.
They put down those things that are on the back of 18 wheelers to try and stop people from crossing the border.
And then they they said, you got to remove these.
The Biden administration sued Arizona.
Yeah, the extremism of the Biden administration in removing any restrictions on immigration whatsoever has been really remarkable.
And you do see a lot of just normal conservatives being like, hey, the media is actually just lying when they say things like, well, President Biden just doesn't have the authority to stop immigration.
Like he does.
It's not a question of bias.
It's just objective reality.
You could stop it tomorrow if you wanted to.
He just doesn't want to.
The biggest single change that we've seen since 2016, other than the collapse of free speech, is the media doesn't feel the need to pretend anymore.
I mean, if we want to take it a little further back, Not long ago, they said that Jon Stewart is going to be brought back.
They're bringing out the big guns for the election campaign.
And if you think of what Jon Stewart was during the later Bush years, what was the kind of meta-narrative of the Daily Show back then?
It was basically, the early Daily Show, Craig Kilbourn, the target was, oh yeah, it used to be much funnier with Kilbourn.
The target used to be the media.
Like, that was what The Daily Show used to make fun of.
You know, the two minutes of Zen or whatever it was, it was always making fun of nonsensical news reports.
What Stewart did was he changed it so it became conservatives and the media was mocked insofar as they went through this pretense of being even-handed.
And what he said, or essentially implied more than even said directly, was that you shouldn't be even-handed anymore.
And so that ultimately is what took over the entire media, because the whole media, in a rather pathetic display when you really think about it, essentially tried to be Jon Stewart.
And so every night you just kind of have these different reporters speech defying to their audiences.
They're at the White House.
They're at a White House press conference.
When Trump was in office, they would interrupt the press secretary and start making a speech and calling them names.
They're constantly putting themselves at the center of the story.
All of these, the media is conscious of itself as a political actor and is openly partisan at this point.
And when you have a system that kind of relies on them to provide objective information, like who actually has the authority to safeguard the American border, and the media is openly on the other side, the system breaks down.
And you could say, well, the courts are going to fix the problem, but the courts, If we want to be charitable about it, and I don't think this is really true, because it's certainly not true with some of the justices we have on the Supreme Court, certainly not our wise Latina Sotomayor and some of the others, but the conservatives on the court are still pretending that the Constitution exists and still protecting that the law exists, and therefore they are going to side that the federal government
Has the power to enforce immigration law, even if the federal government has decided we're just not going to enforce immigration law.
And this isn't going to last very long.
I mean, one of the things that there needs to be more attention right now is critical legal theory, which is already making its way through the law schools, which is already something you have to agree to in some states.
That essentially says that if you have precedent and if you have the law as written, you can disregard that.
If it gets in the way of equity and racial justice, which to put it another way is just means there is no law.
It's just whatever your whims are based on your racial grievances.
But conservatives, they, I don't know, they, they seem to have this idea that if we just get enough blacks and women and other minorities, and we, we put them into quote unquote, our system, that our system will just kind of naturally assimilate them.
And everything will work out because they'll recognize the superiority of it.
But there's no evidence to suggest that's true.
In fact, that seems to just breed further resentment.
There seemed to be much less resentment when you actually had like straightforward colonial rule.
I mean, certainly, if you think that a lot of these legal systems, every once in a while, we'll talk about the British Empire, the legacy of Anglo-Saxon law.
I mean, what kind of a legacy is it when you look at Zimbabwe and you see these black judges with wigs on their heads, pretending that they're actual judges who have something to do with Blackstone or something ruling that actually you're allowed to just take whatever land you want?
I mean, there's no paper and law and And all these other abstractions are not going to provide a barrier to power.
I mean, the only thing that provides a barrier to power is other power, as Calhoun said.
And ultimately, the foundation of power is will.
And the left has greater will than the right.
But if this whole thing has shown us anything, I think that the right-wing grassroots does have some will.
It's just a question of whether there's going to be a leader other than Trump.
I just don't, you know, Trump is not the best leader and certainly not the most skillful or having the most coherent program or any of these sorts of things.
But you go to war with the army you have, unfortunately.
Speaking of the army we have, so I'm looking at a story from 2022, which seems like just yesterday.
New York Post, Biden admin sues Arizona over border wall made of shipping containers.
So Arizona used shipping containers to try and stop the influx of illegal aliens under Republican Governor Doug Ducey, who made his fortune as the CEO of Cold Stone Creamery before he became the governor of the state of Arizona.
And, you know, you always think Arizona is this great right-wing state, especially because of Jan Brewer and that awesome photo of her with the finger poke of doom at Barack Obama.
And she met him at the at the tarmac.
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.
She was talking about as even a presidential or vice presidential candidate for a little bit.
Yeah.
And now Arizona.
Katie Hobbs is the governor.
She was a social worker, first social worker to be elected governor of a U.S.
state.
That's who Arizona has.
Forgive me.
Who did she run against?
Was it Carrie Lake?
Yeah, Carrie Lake ran for governor, right?
Yeah, it was Carrie Lake.
She's running for Senate now.
Yeah, as is Blake Masters.
Megan, Arizona's one of those states that's just so strange because... Well, Blake Masters used to run for Senate.
He lost the Senate election.
He's running for Congress now.
So I guess the point is this.
I mean, you think about the Biden administration basically saying, all right, you can't even use shipping containers.
And Arizona's like, oh, cool, we'll comply with this order.
They do nothing.
I mean, SB 1070, that back in, what was that, 2010, 2012, was a really good bill.
Georgia also passed a really great bill, as did Alabama, on immigration.
And You know, I think one of the things that you've talked about here on this podcast is why local elections matter so most.
One of the things that we've seen in our time in politics, Mr. Hood, is, you know, back in 20, I think it was 2010, Tom Tancredo almost won the governor of Colorado as independent.
Yeah, his third party was Constitution Party.
He was running us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was not that long ago Colorado was You know, a state that you could comfortably take for granted as part of the Republican coalition.
And one could argue that the reason Tancredo did not win is because the GOP tried to lose.
I mean, they threw it essentially.
Now, Colorado is essentially a, I mean, they talk about it as a purple state, but I think we all know that there's really no scenario where Trump could win it in 2024.
It's probably more of a blue state than Virginia is.
Yeah, well, I mean, Virginia, I mean, God, if only West Virginia, Virginia would unite right now, geez, what a powerhouse the state would be in terms of GOP.
No, you know, right now in Denver, there's I think 40 to 50 to 60,000 illegals who are overwhelming the health care system.
It won't have any impact on the election.
Democrats?
No, no, it doesn't matter.
I mean, I think The strongest single desire in all human behavior, as far as I'm concerned, is the pursuit of status.
And what you have is a sort of signaling loop, a feedback loop, where to even have to concern yourself with things like the quality of the schools or crime or health care is to admit one is low status.
And so therefore you just don't talk about these things.
I mean, there's actually a strange form of, maybe this is just on social media, which is maybe not the most balanced people, but you certainly see a strange kind of triumphalism among leftists where, because a city has high crime, It's great.
And so they mock conservatives being like, yeah, snowflakes.
You're not tough enough to deal with the city.
It's like, okay, like, yeah, the subways are covered in urine and homeless people.
Like you showed us good work.
And, but the fact is that's where the money is.
And we also need to discuss, and maybe this is the subject for a future one.
There is probably an IQ difference between, I mean, certainly the leftists who say this never talk about blacks.
But there's certainly an IQ difference between white liberals and white conservatives, given that the higher IQ people are probably on the liberal side predominantly.
And IQ tends to trump everything, at least when it comes to measures of life success.
And so I think people are able to, they're able to create a mental framework where they can incorporate this information into their head without it unduly troubling them, without even really thinking about it.
I mean, maybe one of the things about having a higher verbal IQ is to be able to reconcile contradictions to yourself without even having to think about it.
I mean, certainly that's one of the few ways you can explain what's going on in cities like New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, cities where, you know, some real movers and shakers live in this country.
Things are visibly declining.
And yet, as far as I can see, there is no significant pushback whatsoever.
But at the same time, there's also no denial of what's actually going on.
It's just either we're going to ignore it or we're going to strangely champion it as a good thing somehow.
Well, tying everything back to our original conversation here as we reach the hour mark, I would like to point out that we are seeing some significant signs of hope and positivity in places like the Greater Idaho Movement, Mr. Hood, where eastern Oregon and eastern Washington counties that are overwhelmingly white Are looking to unite with Boise, Idaho and join Idaho and secede from Washington, the rule of Seattle and Portland, Oregon, the rule of Oregon and doing Idaho.
And I think the most important thing that we're going to start seeing, and I hope we start seeing this all across the nation.
Is in states that basically have a megalopolis like Chicago or New York City or a pencil.
I'm sorry.
in like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, you know, I think 80% of the counties in Pennsylvania
went Republican in 2020, when that state.
If we look at these maps of the states, I mean, what we're really looking at is, of course, a lot of these states are mostly red, except you have a few urban centers that basically ruin the whole thing.
And Pennsylvania is certainly one of them.
Fetterman, of course, Senator Fetterman, the Democrat, has actually been saying more about, I mean, he's the one Democrat who actually does seem to be speaking up against illegal immigration somewhat.
Now, I don't think he's been reborn as like a based conservative.
I don't get too excited about this kind of stuff.
It is significant that he seems to be the only Democrat who's willing to say things like, hey, it's actually a problem if we have illegal immigration on the scale that by itself is practically unheard of within the Democratic Party.
Now, one thing that I think you're absolutely right about is that these movements for secession within the union.
Between states movements for states to be broken up movements for states to join other states are one of the most productive things people can do the state of Jefferson in Northern California West Virginia and Virginia joining forces Certainly greater, Idaho project and a few other movements that are out there.
They're all extremely significant.
It's a shame of course that Kemp was the one who shut down the local secession of Buckhead, Georgia, which was just like a knife to the heart.
Why did he do that?
What exactly was there to be gained from his point of view from that?
Well, remember, he's also been someone who was against even looking into these accusations of the Fulton County DA, Fannie Willis, who has been going so Uh, adamantly against Trump.
And it turns out that she was funneling money to her, her secret lover.
She's having this affair with, I mean, again, these, these Southern states, uh, Mr. Hood, they have the, they have the best electorate and yet simultaneously the worst elected officials outside of, I would argue at this point, Alabama, Britain, Tuberville.
Tuberville, I have actually had a lot of interaction with in my life.
Um, he was the football, He was the head coach of my alma mater, and I actually got to spend a little bit of time with him.
We can talk about that at some other point, but he's been actually fantastic as a senator, which is shocking, as has Katie Britt, who took Richard Shelby's position, unfortunately, over Jeff Sessions, which, again, God, you think about what made Trump On the national scale, back in 2015, it was when Jeff Sessions was the first guy of a very notable position, Mr. Hood, to endorse.
Yeah, I know.
And certainly Trump, I mean, this is one of the grievances I still have for Trump is what happened to Jeff Sessions.
But, you know, as you point out, I mean, Alabama does seem to be one of the few states that is producing some quality people.
At least in terms of elected officials and obviously the governor was part of this movement. Uh,
Kiv is great. She's done a lot when it comes to protecting confederate, uh monuments. Um,
My main point is it's all about just having people even if it's a procedural position
who just articulates a position that is a coherent defense of our people.
Even if it doesn't, even if they're not making a position that's tenable for the defense of our people.
I mean, look what just happened.
And I'd love to end this podcast by talking about Ilhan Omar.
If we're talking about the whole concept of the breakdown of the country, she just has been excoriated on Twitter for a, I would argue, a very spirited defense of the interest of her people and the advancement of her people's position, not just in Somalia, but wherever they are, wherever the Somalian diaspora is.
Am I incorrect in that?
No, I mean, that's one of the points that I've been trying to make for a long time is that there are actually very few progressives.
Most people are basically right-wing ethno-nationalists.
Most people are basically right-wing racial nationalists.
It's just Their nation has nothing to do with America.
I mean certainly I mean what she was talking about in this particular speech was not just talking about standing up for the interests of Somalians wherever she is, but also for defending their territorial integrity and standing up against Ethiopia and whatever other stupid African.
Territorial fights that they're going to have I mean the only way in the current climate I can see are actually getting in trouble over this is there some Ethiopians who are like Rastafarians or something get upset because they want you know the Emperor Haile Selassie's heirs to like reclaim this territory or something and of course when people were going after her she said FYI Somali people are called Somalis not Somalians if you're gonna talk about us at least try to get our ethnicity right thank you now yeah she's dismissing These sorts of accusations of treason and and being a foreigner and all these sorts of things but who's going to hold her to account because her own people are obviously going to back this and think it's a good thing.
the kind of, you know, goofy lefty white people think this is charming and
Support this because it's a way of owning lower status American whites
Not quite as low status as having to live among Somalis, but still pretty low status being pro-america
and If you don't have a population that has that kind of group
consciousness You're not gonna be able to get anywhere now if there's
going to be that kind of group consciousness obviously the natural basis within the Republican Party,
but It's very often the conservative movement and very often
Professional conservatives who tell us that we must not give in to this at any level
As a matter of fact, Jay Nordlinger, National Review, I remember when Omar got elected, He said something about how this was classically American when she got elected, because all these people were pushing back, saying she's a complete foreigner and hates this country.
No, this is great, because she's a refugee from Africa, and this is what America's all about.
It's like, all right, you can tell yourself whatever stories you want.
But the people you're rhapsodizing clearly don't believe this, and they look at you with justified contempt for your weakness in giving your country away, which is clearly something that she is not willing to do as regards her country, which is Somalia.
But we are still the one—if she calls herself a Somali patriot, that's fine.
But if we call her that, that's a problem, and it will be a problem to conservatives.
That is ultimately the barrier we need to get over.
I don't know if conservatism, whatever that means at this point, is still sustainable at any level, but white people are still going to remain a majority of voters for some time to come, certainly a plurality of the population, certainly a supermajority in some states.
And we do have it within our power to reclaim control of our destiny, but we just have to have the willingness to admit that we are a people and have collective interests.
But if we just kind of goof off with these silly games, we're just postponing the inevitable, at best.
Insofar as there's any hope for what's going on with this Texas situation, I think it moves us closer to what I think is the inevitable showdown.
And the inevitable showdown is not so much a military or even political one, but it's a revolution in consciousness when white conservatives will stop thinking of themselves as the last defenders of the United States of America and the first defenders of American whites.
And until we get there, I think, frankly, everything else is just kind of a waste of time.
But I guess the silver lining of all this conversation has been the fact that we've seen all these states from the Canadian border with Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, you know, Indiana, Ohio, you know, it should be Kentucky.
It should be.
I mean, here's the great question.
What would the, had Maryland still had that corpulent white, white Republican governor,
what was his name?
Who floated with running for governor for running for president.
My gosh.
So Maryland had a Republican governor for, I believe, eight years.
What was that fat guy's name?
Why are we blinking on this?
Keep going.
I know what you're talking about.
My point is this.
Would Maryland's governor have actually cited?
Would he have said, okay, I've got to go with this?
My point is this.
America is such a different place than it was in 1860, 1861.
Larry Hogan is the one you're talking about.
The reason why I wanted to think about that for a second is I wanted to double check that he's not running for president.
He's mused about it.
He's talked about being.
Republican who's not a Republican, great independent hope, the no labels type candidate who they talk about once in a while.
Larry Hogan was talked about maybe running for president, but doesn't look like he's going to do it.
But no, I can't imagine that he would side with with the Republicans on this stuff.
And the thing with Larry Hogan, Republicans like that, and it should also be noted that there's a Republican governor of Vermont who did not side with this.
And that governor is, by all accounts, extremely popular.
I mean, there's The key to popularity for Republican governors basically just call yourself a Republican and not do anything on those issues because you just don't have to deal with the extreme left.
But you can also just safely ignore the conservatives because they don't really matter.
And I think that to kind of sum up this whole thing, I think that that model.
Call it the Larry Hogan model.
That is sort of the end stage for where I think most Republican politicians want to be.
100% agree.
They have an intense dislike.
It doesn't mean that they're radical leftists, but they have an intense dislike for conservatives, and they have an intense dislike for the white base.
In the long run, they may even understand that whites are being demographically displaced, and therefore they have no political path to office for much longer, but what do they care?
What they want is essentially the situation that you have in Vermont or Maryland or places like this, where you can call yourself a Republican, you get to be in office, you don't really do anything important, but you get to enjoy the status that comes from office, and most importantly, the benefits that you get afterward.
I think that's a good place to leave it.
Do you have anything you want to close with?
Yeah, I want to close with this.
America is a fascinating place that is completely different than 1860.
There were 6 million people in 2020 in California who voted for Donald Trump, even though he was called every other day by the corporate media a Nazi.
Same thing with Illinois.
Same thing with a lot of these other leftist states.
Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Maine.
We're at a very fascinating state in our nation.
This whole episode has shown so many people want to believe in the America of our ancestors so that they can, you know, once again, go back to those hallowed words for our posterity.
And that's the only white pill we can take from this, is that there are still people, despite this never ending, incessant stream of propaganda, That's still believe in the old America.
And that's, that's a, that's a, that's, that's worth holding our hat on.
Yep.
Aligned with that white pill.
I'm Gregory Hood.
This has been myself and Paul Kersey in view from the right.
Thank you for joining us.
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