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Oct. 2, 2023 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

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The War on Whites

Jared Taylor interviews Ed Brodow, author of The War on Whites: How Hating White People Became the New National Sport. The two men discuss the motives of white-haters, the consequences of their actions, and what increasing white resistance means for the future of America.

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	Welcome to this edition of Radio Renaissance.
	I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and on this occasion we have a guest.
	His name is Ed Brodeau.
	He is the author of a recently published book, The War on Whites, How Hating White People Became the New National Sport.
	His book was reviewed by Peter Bradley at American Renaissance, Ameren.com, And he gives an excellent description—I'm speaking of Mr. Brodeau now and not Peter Bradley—of what he calls the anti-white racial inquisition against whites.
	This is certainly a timely subject.
	And first of all, Mr. Brodeau, I'd like to ask you to tell us a little bit about your background and what prompted you to write a book of this nature.
	Well, my background for the last 35 years, I've been a I'm a motivational speaker and a negotiation expert.
	In 2008, I had a very unusual thing happen.
	Some people that I knew found out that I was not going to vote for Barack Obama.
	And they immediately called me a racist.
	They didn't care what my reasons were.
	I was simply a racist.
	And I just really strongly objected to this whole thing.
	And it got my fires going.
	And I got interested in politics for the first time in my life, and since then I've been writing books on politics.
	I've written five books on politics, and I've written over 250 articles for American Thinker, Newsmax, Town Hall, and other online news magazines.
	The latest book, The War on Whites, is something that I felt compelled to write.
	Because I've been watching this for the last few years.
	I've been watching white people being denigrated and put down and insulted and told that we are oppressors.
	And as a white man who has oppressed no one, I take personal umbrage at this.
	And it's got to stop.
	And I decided that the media wasn't writing about it.
	The media has ignored it.
	And I decided that I needed to write a book about it.
	Well, good for you.
	I think the media hasn't simply ignored it.
	The media has, if anything, encouraged it.
	It's taken the side of those who denigrate whites at every opportunity.
	But that's quite an interesting story about having been accused of racism simply because you didn't want to vote for Barack Obama, as if that were the only possible reason not to vote for him.
	I suspect many white people went through similar experiences on that occasion.
	Not that many of them drew the kind of motivational conclusions that you seem to have drawn from this, which I very much applaud.
	Did you try to get a commercial publisher for this book, or were you resolved from the beginning, and are your books ordinarily self-published rather than going through mainstream publishers?
	Well, past books of mine, I was published by HarperCollins, Doubleday.
	I had a very good agent in New York, a literary agent.
	As soon as she found out that I'm a conservative, she dropped me like a hot potato.
	The publishing industry has been taken over by liberals.
	They don't want to hear from me.
	They don't want to have anything to do with me.
	Just for the hell of it, I sent out a number of queries for this new book, and I got nothing.
	So the last few books I've done, I published myself, and I decided the only way for me to go is to publish this one myself.
	Yes, I had a similar experience.
	The last book I wrote, I guess it's been seven or eight years since that came out, maybe longer, and I actually worked my way through two literary agents.
	One spent about a year and a half, the other spent about two years trying to get a mainstream publisher and both thought they had a real hot prospect on their hands and both failed.
	It's entirely as you say.
	The literary world, the publishing world at any rate, is completely dominated by lefties who certainly don't want to hear from you.
	And it's surprising to me because my suspicion is a book like yours, if promoted intelligently, could make a publisher a lot of money.
	But they don't seem to care really as much about making money as being on the right side of history, as they would call it.
	Feeling good about themselves by feeling bad about being white.
	So, how have the sales been?
	Where have you gotten reviews other than in American Renaissance?
	Well, I've gotten quite a few reviews.
	I had a full page in Newsweek.
	Oh, good!
	Yeah, I've been on a number of TV and radio programs.
	The book has only been out a couple of months, but it's selling steady, and it's looking really good.
	It might even get picked up by a regular publisher, I don't know.
	There are some conservative publishers like Regnery and others that do publish conservative authors.
	But at this point, I am so turned off by the mainstream publishing industry that I'm not sure I even want to deal with them anymore.
	So long as you can get reviews, so long as you can make sales, so long as people are able to buy your book, you may be able to completely cut out the middleman, so to speak.
	I don't suppose you've been able to get your book into bookstores, however?
	Well, that's the downside.
	When you self-publish, you don't get in the bookstores, but you'll get in Amazon.
	If I were to go with a mainstream publisher, I might get in the bookstores, but they don't do anything to promote your book anyway, so I don't think it really matters anymore.
	I don't think people are going to bookstores like they used to.
	I think most books are being purchased on Amazon.
	Yes, I think you're quite right about that.
	Some people still like to go to bookstores.
	I think the people I know who like to go to bookstores probably spend more of their time in second-hand bookstores than in new bookstores.
	But yes, it's wonderful that given the terrible prejudices in the industry, you can in fact go straight to the readers.
	It's really a great thing.
	Can you give me some of the examples in your book of things that you found particularly outrageous, things that really got your ire up?
	I know that there were many, but do you have any particular standouts in your mind?
	Yeah, there are three things that stand out.
	First are the statements that are made by supposedly responsible people, such as one professor Who said that we have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet.
	This is a responsible professor at North Carolina State.
	So we have a lot of these statements by people, including the President of the United States, who said that white supremacy is the worst thing that we have to—it's the biggest terrorist threat that we face, which is totally ridiculous.
	The other two things that stand out are the plethora of diversity trainings by corporations and government agencies—hundreds of them—that what they're doing is they're telling their white employees to undo their whiteness, to be less white.
	And I'm not making this up.
	Coca-Cola told its white employees, be less white.
	Now, what the hell does that mean?
	It's crazy.
	How am I supposed to be less white, number one?
	And number two, Imagine what would happen if they told their black employees to undo their blackness and be less black.
	Riots would be going on for weeks.
	But it's okay to do it to white people.
	For some reason, it's okay.
	Now, the third area that really gets me angry is critical race theory is being taught in thousands of schools across the country.
	And what they're doing is they're telling little kids If you are white, you are evil.
	And if you are white, you need to apologize for your skin color.
	It's been happening all over the country.
	And little kids are coming home and saying, Mommy, Daddy, my teacher told me that I should apologize for being white.
	What a horrendous thing to have happen in this country.
	Yes, I agree.
	And that seems to be one of the few things that has gotten ordinary white people up in arms.
	When little Johnny comes home and he tells Mommy that he had to stand up in front of the class and list all the ways in which he has unfair privilege and all the ways in which he oppresses people simply by breathing the air, that gets Mommy riled up.
	But all of this, of course, is just purely defensive.
	It's going to schools and saying you've got to cut this stuff out.
	But the question that really occurs to me is, it's not, of course, just these non-white professors and non-white public so-called intellectuals such as Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram Kendi.
	Absolutely.
	are pushing this stuff. So many whites seem to be part of this. These DEI experts, these
	diversity trainers, by no means are all of them non-white.
	And to me, the real mystery here is white people, why white people put up with this,
	and why so many of them actually seem to embrace it. Do you have any theories on that
	yourself?
	Absolutely. That's an excellent question. And it's one that I discuss in the book. There
	are several reasons.
	Number one is you have this thing called white guilt.
	A lot of white people, for whatever reason, they feel guilty because of the way that black people were treated 150 years ago, and somehow they feel that they're responsible for it today.
	So they apologize.
	That's one reason.
	Another is that they are intimidated.
	It's like with these diversity trainings.
	Employees are intimidated into admitting that they're racist, even though they're not.
	They're afraid if they don't do it, they'll be fired.
	So that's really insidious.
	And as far as the schools go, we need to understand that the academia, the teaching profession, has been completely taken over by the left.
	And they are pushing this leftist anti-white Of course, little kids can't.
	The kids are unable to fight back against it.
	They're totally intimidated by it, and you have these two books.
	I think you mentioned Kendi's book, How to Be an Antiracist, and the other book, White Fragility, I actually read both of these books.
	Two of the worst books I ever read, but the upshot is both of them say the same thing.
	That is that if you're white, you're evil, and if you're white and you don't admit that you're a racist, that that proves that you're a racist, which is as I'm concerned.
	But they're getting away with it, and they're selling millions of these books, which is just incredible.
	Oh, I agree.
	I agree 100%.
	It's astonishing to me.
	I don't think there's any other group on the planet that would put up with this kind of blatant insult.
	I don't think you could trick the Chinese, for example, into feeling guilty about anything China ever did 150 years ago—anything China does today, for that matter.
	They just couldn't be manipulated that way.
	It seems to me there's something very unusual.
	The whole leftist thing is to tell us that America is an evil country, that we should apologize for everything that we've done.
	which I take offense. I'm a former Marine. I believe in this country. I believe in the
	values of this country. And to see them denigrated in this way by people who have no appreciation
	for what this country represents, I take personal offense.
	Well, I'm glad you do. And I think increasingly more and more whites do. But this is something
	that is not so difficult to understand if you are an immigrant, certainly a non-white immigrant.
	They can come to the United States and say, well, diversity is your greatest strength.
	If it weren't for people like me, you wouldn't have diversity.
	You wouldn't have your greatest strength.
	And they can accuse people, white people, of racism, white privilege, and they have clear material benefits that flow from this.
	The real question is why so many white people?
	I mean, the author of White Fragility, Robin DiAngelo, she's white.
	Of course, she has become, I'm sure, many times a millionaire selling copies of that book and explaining to whites just how awful and inherently evil they are.
	But why, again, you talked about white guilt, but I think white people are the only people that you could manipulate into having guilt.
	If you really explain to white people that, well, hold on, slavery has been a universal phenomenon, and in fact, compared to practically any other slaveholding society in history, the United States was extremely benevolent to its slaves.
	That wouldn't make any difference.
	They just seem to think that being bad is somehow, I don't know, part of their fate.
	They accept this without any questioning.
	There's something mysteriously wrong about white people, it seems to me.
	It's part of the leftist dogma.
	They have this thing called critical race theory, which I'm sure you've heard of, which is being taught in our schools.
	And critical race theory, in its essence, it says two things.
	It says, number one, all white people are racists.
	All.
	All white people.
	And then it says all black people are helpless victims.
	So you have oppressors and you have victims.
	You might say, well, I'm not a racist, but according to critical race theory, forget it.
	If you're white, you're a racist.
	If you're black, you're a victim.
	One of the things I point out in my book is that the war on whites is just as bad for black people as it is for white people, because they're forcing black people into this acceptance of themselves as victims.
	I call it the victim mentality.
	And what it does, it holds black people back and prevents them from achieving their possibilities.
	You're saying to black people that you have no agency?
	You have no ability to explore your own life?
	If I were black, I would be incredibly offended by that.
	But this is critical rights theory.
	There is a very small number of blacks who are offended by this.
	On the other hand, the people who benefit most from racial preferences, they don't seem to be offended by it at all.
	They are perfectly happy to accept the benefits that flow their way, and it seems to me that the higher they get in American society, and the more unearned privileges they enjoy, the more they hate us.
	The whole process of telling black people, nothing that ever goes wrong for you is your fault.
	Nothing ever in the whole history of the world that ever happened that was unpleasant to black people is their fault.
	White people did it.
	To me, the primary thing it does is teach them to hate white people.
	If you are going to take black people and explain to them, try to get them to hate white people, this is the best possible way to do it.
	And to me, it's astonishing that there isn't more outright anti-white violence coming from blacks.
	You see it on these sort of bootleg videos that circulate that the mainstream media would never touch, but black people absolutely lashing out in the most unprovoked way at whites.
	To me, this is clearly a direct outgrowth of their constantly being told every white person is a racist.
	Let me make two comments here, and they may seem like They're contradictory, but they're not.
	The first comment is, I believe that black people—and I'm making a generalization—I believe that black people, as a general rule, are more racist than white people.
	I think there is a tremendous amount of anti-white hatred among black people.
	And one of the ways in which we see that manifested—Heather MacDonald, in her book, The War on Whites, she quotes the statistics that 85 percent of violent Black-white interactions are caused by black people.
	Tremendous amount of violence by blacks against whites.
	Now, that's number one.
	By the way, I was kicked off of a program I was being interviewed in the UK, and the interviewer asked me if I thought that black people have a tendency to be violent.
	And I said yes, and he immediately kicked me off his show.
	Because the station got dozens of angry calls saying that they were angry at this interviewer.
	They supported me, and I sold a ton of books in Great Britain as a result of that interview, which was wonderful.
	The fact is, when I say that there's a lot of violence among black people, I'm not attacking black people.
	I'm merely referring to the statistics, and the statistics show that black men are 6% of the population, yet they are responsible for more than half of all violent crime in the United States.
	Now, that's not a racist statement.
	That's a statement of fact, and anybody can look it up.
	And again, Heather MacDonald refers to it in her books.
	So this is a fact.
	Now, the other part of this is—and it may seem like I'm contradicting myself—but in my book, I made a point of referencing a number of black thinkers who I respect, who happen to agree with me that this anti-white racism is terrible.
	I'm talking about people like Thomas Sowell, Bob Woodson, Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, they all say the same thing, and that is that systemic racism no longer exists, that the black people can do whatever they want in this country, and if anything, black people are given special privileges.
	So it's not all black people that are racist against whites.
	There are many black people who understand the realities And are trying to upgrade themselves, trying to do better for themselves and their families.
	And in so doing, they adopt what we call white values.
	But many in the black community still, if you're a kid and you study hard and you're black, they'll call you an Uncle Tom.
	They'll accuse you of following white values.
	The fact is that these white values are the things that have made America a great country, and anybody that really wants to do well in this country—and anybody can—they have to start looking at those values.
	A few of the values I'm talking about, I'm talking about respect for the individual.
	I'm talking about the rule of law.
	I'm talking about taking personal responsibility, the importance of education.
	The black people in this country who have managed to live by those values have done very well, and those who have ignored them or shown contempt for them continue to fall behind.
	But that's a choice.
	See, I believe in behaviors.
	I'm not offended by anyone's race or color or religion.
	I look at behaviors, and there are certain behaviors that I find offensive.
	When people are violent, I find that offensive.
	Regardless of where it's coming from.
	I think certainly most white people would agree with you and in their heart of hearts, most blacks, people of any other race would likewise agree with you.
	What I find most interesting in your anecdote about the British interviewer is this utter refusal to look the facts in the face.
	My organization, American Renaissance, has been publishing statistics on crime for 20 years now.
	And the statistics that Heather McDonald are quoting are from the National Crime Victimization Survey.
	And every year, this is a survey of about 100,000 Americans, a huge sample, and they ask them what kind of violent crime they've been victims of in the past year.
	And they ask about race, they ask about sex of assailant, they ask about all kinds of circumstances.
	And it turns out every year, there are about 600,000 violent crimes that cross racial lines involving blacks and whites.
	And of that number, blacks commit about 85% of them, which means that a black person statistically is about 27, 28, 29 times more likely to attack a white person than the other way around.
	Now, you could explain part of that due to what you could call chance of encounter.
	That's to say there may be five times as many white people as there are blacks.
	And if blacks were attacking white people and whites were attacking black people completely at random without regard to race, you would still get a disproportion, but nothing along those lines.
	And I think it's very clear that a certain number of blacks are clearly singling white people out for violence.
	And I think part of it is due to all of this, this current obsession now about reparations.
	The idea is that white people owe black people for the oppression, the alleged oppression of their ancestors.
	And if, as the Californian State Commission has decided, that each black person deserves approximately $800,000 on account of the oppression of their ancestors, And I believe the San Francisco Commission decided that each black person was due $5 million.
	Why not?
	Why not $10 million?
	Why not $100 million?
	These are all just fantasy numbers anyway.
	Why wouldn't blacks think that they should just cut out the middlemen and take whatever they can from white people?
	So, yes, we live in a society that has ginned up A kind of crazed anti-white attitude, not only among crazy, hopped up white people, but obviously among blacks as well.
	Now, do you think that American society can get over this?
	Do you think it is possible for the United States, at this point in its history, to arrive at a situation in which people just think of themselves as Americans and we all work together and build a harmonious future?
	Do you think that is still possible?
	Oh, yes, I do.
	And I think it is unavoidable and inevitable, because we are at a point right now where it has to happen.
	You know, this is not 1865.
	We're 150 years into this.
	We have a large percentage of our population that is non-white, and if the country is going to function at all, we have to learn What was that guy who said, can't we all get along?
	Rodney King.
	Rodney King.
	We have to get along because we're here.
	And that's the reality.
	So short of the whole country falling apart, I think we have to get to a point where we can all live together and respect each other.
	And I think it's heading in that direction.
	What are the promising signs you see of our heading in that direction?
	Well, the promising signs I see are more and more black students getting good educations.
	I see more interracial marriages.
	I see more acceptance by white people.
	Of people of different skin colors and ethnicities and so on.
	So I think there is a tremendous movement in that direction, which makes it all the more—you wonder, why then, why is the left trying so hard to create this division among the races?
	And the reason, I believe, is this is being fomented by the Democratic Party, … racial division so that they can garner the votes of non-white people.
	And that, I believe, is the intention of Biden's open border policy, to bring in as many non-white people into the country and give them the right to vote.
	And the result will be, if they get away with this, the result will be we'll have a one-party country.
	I live in California.
	I'm a Republican.
	I'm a conservative.
	I am, in effect, disenfranchised here.
	My vote doesn't count because the Democratic Party has taken over here.
	They've also done it in New York and Illinois, and they're trying to do it in Texas now, and other states that are considered red states.
	It has to be stopped because what they're aiming at is division, what Mark Levin calls the balkanization of
	society.
	And if that happens, the country goes down the tubes.
	Well, if that is the goal, simply to increase Democrat voters, then what they're looking
	for is not necessarily division, it's simply dominance.
	And ultimately, it means reducing whites who are going to be the remaining Republican voters
	to this inconsequential remnant.
	And I disagree with you that there are signs that there is any accommodation in this respect.
	It seems to me that the racial tensions are simply getting worse and worse.
	I don't really see a happy ending here.
	And I'd be curious to know what other signs you see that we are approaching some kind of reasonable accommodation rather than increased hostility and perhaps ultimately separation.
	Well, I think it's a realization on the part of many black people, especially educated black people, that the leftist ideology is a flawed ideology.
	I think people are waking up to this.
	And as they wake up to it, they're going to reject what the left has to say.
	They're going to reject the Democratic platform.
	And I'm hoping that we will have Donald Trump back in the White House in 2024, so that a lot of what they've done under Biden can be reversed.
	But I do think people are waking up, and thanks to books like mine and other people who are making the public aware There's the whole point of my book.
	As you mentioned, the media is definitely in the pocket of the Democratic Party.
	They want division, but I think that we have to make the average citizen informed.
	If you go up to the average person on the street and say, hey, did you know there's an inquisition against white people?
	The average person will say, well, no, I didn't know about that.
	And I've had this experience, by the way, with my neighbors having discussions.
	So when I wrote this book, I wrote it in the hope that people will read it and understand the ideology that they're trying to impose on us.
	Let me play devil's advocate for the egalitarian leftists.
	You say you accuse them of creating division in order to achieve political dominance.
	Is it not possible that they genuinely believe that the United States is a racist country?
	In other words, if you look statistically at the behavior of blacks and Hispanics, their accomplishments, their achievements, they are by every standard not achieving at the same level as whites.
	And so the obvious explanation is that this has to be the result of racism among whites.
	Therefore, the only way to achieve equality is to eliminate white racism.
	That's the point of my book.
	your heart to grant them a certain idealistic goal here. In other words, to cure white people
	of their racism, because that is by definition the only obstacle that non-whites face in this country,
	and only by ridding whites of this racist nature that they have, only in that fashion can we
	achieve a harmonious society. That's the point of my book.
	It's a false argument. It's a false argument that critical race theory, saying that all whites
	are oppressors, that's a false argument that the left is trying to impose on us.
	But when you look at it up close, it doesn't make any sense.
	It's false.
	The facts don't support it.
	And my book is out there to say, no, whites are not responsible.
	And I discuss this at length in my book.
	The question, and it's a question also, That has been posed by Heather McDonald and others.
	And the question is, who is really responsible for the problems that exist in the black community?
	And the left would say, whites, it's white's fault.
	I don't believe that.
	I don't believe I think that the responsibility for where blacks are today has to be on blacks themselves.
	And again, that's why I quote people like Shelby Steele, and other black thinkers who agree with me about this, that
	black people have to start taking responsibility for their own behaviors and stop blaming
	everybody else. So all this talk about how white people are to be blamed for everything, that
	again is why I wrote my book, because it is such a false argument and a dangerous argument. Well, I
	certainly think it's a false argument, but it seems to me that increasingly as whites, for example,
	read your book, or as they arrive at their own conclusions about the terrible double
	standards here, all of these preferences for blacks and to some extent Hispanics, all of this blaming of
	whites, and And I believe, unlike something you said earlier, the higher you find blacks in American society, the more educated they are.
	It's the very ones who have gotten a full scholarship to Princeton and who have breezed into some academic job or some think tank job or a journalism job.
	These are the ones who are most outspoken and most sophisticated, if you will, in their criticism of whites.
	It doesn't seem to me that any kind of economic or social advancement by blacks leads them to a better appreciation of American society.
	It leads simply to the contrary.
	It doesn't make them like American society any better.
	Someone like Hannah Nicole Brown of the New York Times with her 1619 Project.
	That woman has absolutely no appreciation of white people at all.
	We are just pure devils, in her view of things.
	Same for all these famous black people who are alleged to be anti-racist, who've probably never suffered a racist act in their lives.
	I don't see us moving towards harmony.
	And at the same time, when a white person reads your book, or if a white person comes to read American Renaissance, I don't think they're going to say, OK, gosh, there's a problem here.
	We can fix this.
	I think many of them will react and say, good grief, maybe I didn't know about this outright war on white people.
	But now that I know about it, it seems to me white people have to defend themselves in racial terms.
	And to heck with this idea that we're all going to be equal because nobody else is going to play by those rules.
	Well, I agree that that's one of the The purpose of my book is to get white people to defend themselves.
	I don't think that they need to do it by being racist.
	I don't think that one form of racism justifies another form of racism.
	What I want to see white people do is say, okay, this war on whites has to stop because it's
	unfair, it's untrue, it's unreal.
	I am personally offended by it.
	And if we can get a lot of people to do that, it's going to go away.
	And if we don't, then the left will feel justified in continuing it.
	But it's up to us to push back against it.
	Oh, I certainly agree that it's up to us.
	And the passivity and the willingness of whites to be berated, bamboozled, hypnotized, if
	you will, humiliated, all of this is something, as I suggested earlier, is something that
	I can only imagine white people submitting, submitting themselves to.
	You just can't, you just can't imagine blacks or Hispanics or Asians or anybody else spitting
	on their own ancestors, being convinced that they are inherently evil.
	This to me, this strikes me as almost maybe an internal defect among whites.
	But I suspect that the reaction is not going to be, not going to be simply, well, okay,
	these non-whites and these crazy white people who are on their side are wrong.
	I think the most likely conclusion is going to be, well, this simply can't go on this way, and there are incompatibilities here, and it's best for people of different races to go their own way.
	I suspect that that is probably more likely than everyone realizing, well, okay, gosh, I guess we've been wrong for the last 50, 60 years.
	We can get it right, and then we're all going to hold hands and work it out together.
	My suspicion is that the more likely conclusion is to be that if this were a marriage, we would consider it irreconcilable differences, and that some sort of divorce is the only solution.
	But we'll have to see how the future works itself out.
	Yeah, I mean, it's all speculative at this point.
	But I think that the first step has to be to recognize the reality of this inquisition against white people.
	And it has to stop when these diversity trainings, I believe, should be discontinued.
	They've shown that they don't work anyway.
	When you have diversity trainings, you wind up with less diversity.
	They've proven that.
	So I think we need to stop that.
	And we need to take back our schools.
	So that these kids are not brainwashed into believing there's something wrong with them because they're white.
	Yes, we certainly agree on that.
	The astonishing thing about the United States is that so many of these so-called civil rights laws, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, for example, which banned racial discrimination, has been turned on its head and has become the justification for discrimination against white people, and in some cases Asians.
	There is a built-in aspect of the leftist view of American society that lends itself to, whether or not you want to call it diversity or equity, but in any case, a ruthless attempt to get equality of outcomes.
	And if equality of outcomes involves persecuting whites in some way, depriving them of their just incomes, The left, the egalitarian left, seems to wish to stop at nothing.
	And this whole prospect of reparations seems to be just the last and perhaps most widespread example of this.
	So my suspicion is that the increasing white view is going to be that, well, these black people especially and some of their allies simply can't be reformed.
	But in the meantime, it's certainly important to wake people, wake white people up to what's happening.
	I'm curious to know, in the research for your book, did you ever actually speak to diversity trainers or people in corporations that hire diversity trainers?
	Did you ever talk to the people who are promoting this anti-white crusade, what it is they thought they were achieving by this?
	Or did you just get your information from news stories?
	Well, both.
	Both.
	I mean, the people that are doing it, it has become an industry.
	This DDI industry.
	And I know some people who are in a speaking industry who have been making a lot of money off of this.
	So they have an economic motivation to continue with this nonsense.
	But I don't... The only thing I see, I see people like that woman that did White Fragility.
	That woman is white.
	She hates white people.
	She hates black people.
	She hates everybody.
	Well, I wouldn't have guessed that she hates white people, but when you say you have spoken to some of these people involved in this, When you ask them, what are they trying to achieve?
	What is their motivation?
	I'd love to talk to Robin DiAngelo.
	I'd love to talk to some of these DEI gurus and ask them, what motivates them?
	What is it they're trying to achieve?
	What is it that's wrong that they're trying to fix?
	Well, I personally believe that the motivation is economic.
	They're making a ton of money off of this.
	That's all they care about.
	I don't think they care about straightening out the country or solving racial division.
	I think people like Robin, I think Robin DiAngelo is either a really evil person or else she is totally demented.
	I haven't read her, so I don't know.
	Having read her book, and I forced myself to read the entire book, what a, geez, awful book!
	Well, I managed to drag myself through about half of it.
	I couldn't make it to the end.
	I had been determined to read it and review it, but I just couldn't stomach it.
	I've read a number of books of that kind that I did manage to get to the end, but in her case, I just began to choke on her nonsense, but it's all circular reasoning.
	Yes, white people are racist, and if they say they're not racist, that only proves they're racist.
	And if you try to come out with demonstrations or expressions of explanation for why they're not racist, that makes them even more racist.
	So there's just no winning when you're dealing with Robin DiAngelo.
	It's a religion in which there is no salvation.
	And all of these anti-racist gurus, they talk about this lifelong journey of trying to become at least anti-racist because they never can become non-racist.
	That's impossible for white people.
	So they believe it with the tenacity of the most fanatic religious believers, but there's no salvation.
	It's a truth.
	It's a church in which all white people are going to go to hell anyway because they can't be saved.
	So I don't know whether she's demented or evil.
	It would be hard to say.
	But again, I would love to have a frank conversation with these people, but none of them wants to talk to me.
	Maybe you've had better success.
	If you're asking my opinion, my opinion, based on all the research I've done, is that I don't trust these people, and I don't believe them.
	By the way, there's something else that you should know.
	I grew up in Brooklyn, New York.
	In a neighborhood called Bedford-Stuyvesant.
	Oh, dear.
	Yes, I know about that.
	Black neighborhood in the country.
	And of course, I'm white.
	And it was not easy.
	There was a lot of anti-white racism that I was subjected to.
	I was beaten up a lot as a kid by black kids.
	But at the same time, I was able to come out of it with a more balanced view of who people are and what they're capable of.
	And I think that these diversity people, instead of showing people what they're capable of, they're trying to tell them that they're not capable of rational thinking, that they expect everybody will behave like sheep.
	And I think people are tired of that.
	The white people that I talk to, they're tired of being treated like sheep.
	They're tired of being told that all white people are racist by virtue of their skin.
	They're just tired of it.
	Well, let's hope that the white people stop taking it.
	when we say, OK, you know, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
	Well, let's hope that white people stop taking it.
	The astonishing thing is the millions who continue to take it.
	And sometimes when people like you or me talk about this, it's almost like these black police chiefs or mayors
	who are talking about the astonishing homicide rates among blacks.
	and say, this is unacceptable.
	Well, OK, it's all very well to say it's unacceptable, but so long as people are accepting it, it's going to happen.
	But I certainly hope that books like yours and authors such as Heather MacDonald and Richard Hanania has an interesting new book about the origins of this wokeness.
	And I believe this fellow Fino, I forget the name of his, I think his book is really quite interesting.
	More and more of these books are coming out, making these fundamental points about how utterly unfair, wrong and awful all of this is.
	And I do think white people are waking up.
	Yes, I do.
	the consequences of that will be, whether it will end up in a kind of happy kumbaya situation,
	or one in which whites simply say, OK, we simply can't live with these people.
	That remains to be seen. But in any case, do you have any final observations, any final comment,
	or encouragement, or discouragement that you'd like to express to our listeners?
	Yes, I do. I want your listeners to read my book, because when they have read it,
	and they learn the facts, then they can make a reasoned decision about where they stand on this.
	And without the facts, you can't make a reasoned decision.
	But the facts are in my book.
	I present both sides of the story where I can, but I think it's a matter of people becoming aware.
	And I don't know many books other than mine that can help Help people to be aware of what's going on in the country right now.
	Well, I think there is an increasing number.
	People are moving towards a more realistic understanding of the utter nonsense that we're being forced to believe.
	But I certainly wish you every success in getting this message out.
	There is no question about it.
	People cannot make an intelligent decision about what they want for the future of their country or how they wish to order their own lives.
	Unless they know what's happening.
	And I can't thank you enough for making this so clear in your book.
	And I wish you every success in getting the facts before the American public.

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