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Feb. 27, 2023 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Can Ireland Survive?
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this special episode of Radio Renaissance.
I am your host, Jared Taylor, and with me are three comrades and Irish nationalists.
It's my great pleasure and honor to have them with me on the podcast today.
We have Charles, Robert, and Ifa.
And I would like to first ask Charles a little bit about the current political situation in Ireland, bearing in mind that your audience, Charles, is made up primarily of Americans who are abysmally ignorant of Irish history and Irish politics, But what we do know is that your wonderful country is being overrun by people from outside of Europe and we are grieved.
We are in a state of grief, grief when we see what's happening to your country.
So could you give us just a bit of an intro of the government position, situation that is permitting this process?
Well good evening Gerard first of all and I want to say hello to everyone across the water and it's good to know that you have our backs.
So in government that we have at the moment, we have a coalition government.
We have parties known as the Fianna Fáil, Fianna Gael and the Green Party.
Fianna Gael, which is now there in a rotating premiership or prime ministerial role, is headed by an individual known as Leo Varadkar.
So he is of Indian origin and he is a homosexual.
He's your current prime minister?
He's our current prime minister.
On Taoiseach.
On Taoiseach.
So his official Irish title would be On Taoiseach.
The second in command would be a gentleman by the name of Micheál Martin.
Martin, I should say.
And he is head of the Fianna Fáil party.
Traditionally, every head of the Fianna Fáil party became Taoiseach.
But when the coalition government came about, Micheál Martin sold his soul, is what we say.
And the Greens, well the Greens are the Greens.
They need no introduction.
So the Irish government, or this administration is how I refer to them, is the latest in a series of administrations.
We are a member of the European Union.
The end goal of the European Union is to create a United States of Europe.
This is done through uncontrolled mass immigration, primarily from Sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan.
In the Irish Parliament, which is known as the Dáil, we have an upper house and a lower house.
We have the Dáil and the Seannacht is the upper house.
In the Irish Parliament, There are no parties who are opposed to our membership of the European Union.
Are there varying degrees of opposition, or is everyone really all in for EU membership?
You would have a number of individuals who would be opposed to certain aspects of government policy, but everyone would be on board for the European Union.
A lot of people would think that the particular party known as Sinn Féin would be pro-nationalist or pro-republican, but Sinn Féin are actually a Marxist party and they are pro-mass immigration.
To a lot of people they would have betrayed Not only their voter base, but their ideological base.
They're a Marxist party.
And there's a common expression that goes around.
It's that Sinn Féin say, Brits out, everyone else in.
Brits out, everyone else in?
That's it.
Oh, I see.
So they're patriots as far as the English are concerned, but then those are the only undesirables.
So unfortunately we have no nationalist party in the Dáil that can give any opposition to successive government policies.
Independence?
We have independents who speak up about certain aspects, but again is that it's not enough.
And where we are socially, what we're experiencing through the uncontrolled mass immigration, a lot of people now see no political solution.
To where we are.
You mean the people who resist mass immigration?
The people who are resisting mass immigration.
So we have a situation where families, mothers with strollers, as our North American friends would call them, are out protesting against uncontrolled mass immigration.
And they are being labelled by the media, or to use an expression, the lying press, as far right.
These are people who are defending their families, their communities.
Well before we get into the protests that are gratifyingly beginning, and those have been reported to some degree in the United States as well, we're delighted to see that.
Before we get into that, when did third world or non-white immigration really begin in Ireland?
2004 I would say.
So you could say successfully it started in the early 1990s.
Early 1990s.
Mary Harney would have been the individual who was responsible for that.
Was she Prime Minister?
No, she was a government minister.
And then in the year 2000, the ESRI issued a report because the Irish economy was heating up.
ESRI is?
Economic Social Research Institution.
And they made recommendations to the government to slow down the economy.
That would be to raise taxes.
Uh, and instead the government at the time, which was led by a gentleman by the name of Bertie Ahern.
Oh, Bertie Ahern?
Yeah, who was, uh, well a lot of, I believe a lot of our North American friends would be recognized by the name Bertie Ahern and associated with the Good Friday Agreement.
But we use an expression for him.
When he was the Minister for Finance, he never had a bank account.
He kept his cash in a tin underneath his bed.
True faith in the system.
Yeah, so he in 2000 was advised of this and instead he brought in another 100,000 refugees.
Sorry, economic migrants I should say.
Was there?
Well, I gather this report had something to do with the economy being helped Presumably by mass immigration?
Yes, well at that stage it wasn't to the point that we are now, but the economy was starting to build and was beginning to overheat.
So instead of slowing it down and temper it, he increased in the immigration and it was pointed out by Aoife from approximately 2004 onward.
They brought more in.
They did not introduce policies.
So that's why when we arrived, for example, in about 2007, we had an experience known as the Celtic Tiger.
The Celtic Tiger?
Celtic Tiger.
So in effect, that was a government Ponzi scheme where people were given loans at very cheap rates to buy property and Like every Ponzi scheme it collapsed and a lot of this was based upon cheap access to cheap finances and a growing economy which was sustained by uncontrolled mass immigration into the country.
Well in the 1990s and early 2000s when this whole process was beginning Or was this basically foisted on the Irish?
The vote.
Remember the vote?
The one sort of public expression was to say it was the 2004 immigration referendum.
What it was, was to anchor babies.
Because there was a big problem of African mothers arriving into Ireland heavily pregnant.
They would give birth And up to that point they would essentially have had birthright citizenship.
So to counteract that there was a referendum and the Irish public voted overwhelmingly to ban that practice.
Essentially that there would be no automatic citizenship upon birth.
So that was the most public I think it was 79-80% of people rejected.
Do you recall what the percentage was, pro and con on that?
In any case, it was overwhelmingly against...
I think it was 79-80% of people rejected.
Wow, wonderful.
But just to point out, that was actually one of the technical points of the Good Friday Agreement.
It was the birthright citizenship, so everyone born upon the island of Ireland was automatically Irish.
But when we saw how that was being abused, that's how the referendum came about.
I see, so the Good Friday Agreements, which would end the Troubles in Northern Ireland, it really had to go as deep into determining who was an Irish citizen.
I didn't realise the Troubles went that deep, so there was some doubt about who was even Irish.
We would say the North of Ireland.
The North of Ireland.
Yes, yes.
I see.
So this was being misinterpreted and abused by these non-Europeans and the Irish people.
Well, it's remarkable to me that the people who were running the show at that time even put it before the people.
They must have known this was going to be rejected.
They would have known, again, because This was the first time we had experienced anything like this, and we saw the abuse.
And, well, compared to the scale that we're seeing now, but at the time it was unacceptable.
And again, as politicians are always thinking of the next general election.
So there was enough public pressure put in place that this matter had to be addressed.
People saw the window of abuse, and particularly as well with the Good Friday Agreement.
So, the people of the island of Ireland overwhelmingly support the Good Friday Agreement, but this was a negative consequence of it.
It seems remarkable to me that, given the general multi-culti mindset of the elites in practically every western country, that there was enough pressure put on of this, namely birthright citizenship.
And a people that has enough of a conception of their own country and how it's being abused
that can make the country put that to a vote and so overwhelmingly reject birthright citizenship,
that seems like such a good and healthy sign that it would not have surprised me
that the people capable of that would have put an end to third world immigration.
It seems odd that that kind of conception of one's own peoplehood being abused
would not then just gutter out like a camel.
That's a valid point, yeah.
And I.
I've actually wrestled with that question myself.
Again, just a theory, but was it the influx of money with the Celtic Tiger?
Is Santa broke?
Irish people's natural connection in terms of family and family ties, Irish culture, etc.
Personally, I think the influx of money during the Celtic Tiger era, it made people very materialistic.
That's my theory.
Aoife and Charles may have other opinions.
Again, I never heard about this referendum, and it's such an encouraging result.
And it makes it all the more surprising to me that despite this expression of peoplehood, your country is now as open as any, it seems to me, to unwanted immigration.
Yes, at this point, I think the indoctrination is such an Well, that was 20 years ago, after all.
Well, is there any estimate now as to the number of non-whites living in Ireland today?
Right, off the top of my head, according to the census, I think it was in 2016, the percentage was 17.1%.
of the population was then born outside of the island of Ireland.
17.1%?
Born outside?
Born outside the island of Ireland.
It's over 20% of that.
But I'm just, I'm pulling figures here as we're speaking, so that was in 2016 if I'm correct.
So if you then take into account the first generation New Irish, which is a derogatory term, an insult to the native population that is used by the political class and their NGO minions towards the native population.
If you take in the new, the first generation new Irish, that could easily be over 20%.
And again, that's based upon approximately 2016 figures.
Does the expression new Irish, is that a euphemism for non-white?
Or does that really include anyone who was born outside of Ireland?
To my mind, it's non-white, but of course, yeah, it would be primarily African and Middle Eastern.
No, it was not European.
What they're once referred to as the New Irish.
The New Irish.
As if you lot are just a superannuated and dispensable bunch.
We're a second-class citizen here now.
The native Irish are now second-class citizens in our own country.
But then, if 20% were born outside of Ireland, some perhaps not insignificant percentage of those people could be Europeans.
Indeed, yeah.
I believe the largest ethnic group at the time was approximately 120,000 British living here legally in the country.
But again, you have to remember that that's only a few years ago, but demographics have changed massively since
then.
That's the official record.
Absolutely.
We're not certain.
Only the true numbers, that's what they have officially announced.
And again, the other thing as well is to include that naturalized Irish,
so these new Irish or naturalized Irish are, when they have these things come out,
they are included with the native population, the native Irish.
Of course.
There's no differentiation.
So the figures even in the presentations are misleading and are willfully misleading.
So if you were to make just flying guests as to citizens or long-term residents that
are non-European?
I have no hesitation in saying that by 2030 at least 30% of the population will be non-native Irish.
I believe the long-term goal by 2040 is to have 40% of the population to be non-Irish.
That's one of the peculiarities about the United States, of which you all are probably aware, is that we count race very meticulously.
It used to be something derisive because we were supposed to be getting beyond race, you see, and all just be Americans holding hands and singing the Star Spangled Banner together.
Now we can't race for all sorts of other reasons, because benefits come along with social payments.
The more blacks and Hispanics are on the area, it gets more boosting and that kind of thing.
But we are very, very good at counting race.
So we know exactly what percentage is white.
You can see those numbers decline.
Almost no European country seems to do that.
I gather that's the Irish state as well.
You can't count by race at all.
Yes.
Because that would show the children.
Sorry, that would show who At a serious point we are in time.
Well, in terms of the number of settlements of these so-called... Now, do they come in mainly claiming to be refugees or do they come in brazenly saying they just want a better life and that's that?
Under what sort of legal status are most of the non-whites coming in?
The influx is from NGOs, it's an industry dispatch.
But there must be some kind of legal status for them?
Are they just tourists?
The second they land on the shores they claim asylum.
Okay, asylum.
And they're well coached in this manner.
So physically how it actually plays out is say they would arrive at Dublin airport.
Hmm...
So when they step off the plane to where the immigration control could be walking 1,800 meters and between that distance they destroy their passports.
I see.
So when they arrive at immigration control they have no passports.
And they present themselves, after being schooled by the NGOs, they then present themselves as refugees seeking asylum.
Well, that's such an obvious swizz.
They had to have a passport to get on a plane.
Indeed, yeah.
So somebody shows up, oh, sorry, the dog ate my passport between the boarding gate and here, and they say, oh, well, you poor dear.
And they get on a fraud like that?
So, they arrive at the Immigration Control, and then because they've requested asylum, we then have a legal obligation to take their asylum application, and they're processed.
So every asylum application that happens in this country costs approximately 80,000 Euros.
Wow!
And then, after that, then you're looking at appeals, so each appeal then costs more money.
You mean this is a bureaucratic cost for just doing the paperwork?
Absolutely so.
From the Border Control, So if I show up and, well, I guess I couldn't do it, you know, I'm the wrong colour.
barrister then to process the paperwork again for their application that's
80,000 euros and as well as that they're paid social welfare. So if I show up
well I guess I couldn't do it you know I'm the wrong colour.
Say I'm a Syrian let's say and I claim I've lost my passport I don't have any money
either. Then the Irish government will say oh you poor dear yes you can I
can apply for asylum I can claim back in my homeland whatever that might be and
I'm not telling you where it is but I'm gonna be grievously persecuted and so
please please please and then I get free accommodations and food. Well your
asylum application is processed.
If and eventually your asylum application is refused, you then may be asked to self-deport.
Self-deport?
Self-deport.
The problem that the state has is that there's over 80,000 asylum applications that have been denied, but they do not enforce the deportations.
So it's essentially a joke?
Essentially it's a joke, and the punchline is on the native Irish, because we're paying for it.
We have documented examples of individuals who've been asked to self-deport, who remain on in the country, and who have committed crimes.
Sexual assault, robbery, grievous bodily harm, etc.
And yet, they remain in the country.
Well, surely you'd put him in jail, do you not?
That's a bit of an embarrassing silence for me.
Well, there's actually, what's happened recently as well, is that judges give asylum seekers lower punishments
because maybe English is not their first language, or alleged cultural differences.
Well, they didn't realise that a woman who is not covered head to toe is not soliciting rape.
Yeah, so that's what's happened there.
That's a new trend that's starting to happen.
Well, can they work?
Do they get work papers while they're on asylum?
Officially, in the first stages of their asylum application, they're not allowed to, but they are now seeking the rights.
This is where the NGOs push a case.
And again, you have employers' bodies who are pushing to allow these illegal immigrants to work legally in the country while their case is being processed.
GPS numbers.
Yeah.
that allows them to work in Ireland and that's what they're pursuing now and even now they
seem to procure them quite easily.
Well do you have any estimate as to, in general, what percentage of asylum claims are approved?
I assume once you're approved for asylum then you're in for good, unless you commit, maybe
even you can commit all the crimes you like and you don't get sent back.
There's a figure there, it's very recent, only in the past few weeks, that the rejection rate, percentage, in Ireland is only 5%, whereas the EU average is not at 60%.
So the rejection rate is 5%.
So Ireland is the easiest touch in the entire community.
We've granted more asylum claims.
The word has probably gotten out.
What hasn't helped recently, about four or five months ago, we have a minister called Roderick O'Gorman.
He himself is an individual who has no family values, just like our Prime Minister.
He associates with individuals who promote paedophilia.
He sent a tweet out which was translated into multiple languages.
Inviting anyone who could make it to Ireland and promising them their own free house within four months, their own turnkey accommodation.
What?
So since that was sent out, the rate of asylum applications has increased.
What position did this guy?
He's a government minister now.
With what party?
He is a member of the Green Party.
That sounds like a green thing to do.
And so he officially put out Just get to Ireland.
Essentially he was promising, again, that Tweed was put out in multiple languages and essentially he was promising own-door accommodation within four months of arrival into Ireland.
Own-door means you have your own accommodation.
Absolutely.
During a housing crisis, we struggle, really struggle for accommodation.
Good luck trying to buy your own home in Ireland.
It's nearly impossible.
Wow!
Now, how do the media react to something like that?
I might just take up the point here, and I'll relate it to the fact that we have an NGO sector in Ireland funded to the tune of 6.9 billion euro.
It's about 7 billion euro every year.
And this is a point I'd like to emphasize, the NGO sector in Ireland has massive influence Government policy.
Needless to say, a lot of these NGOs have a hard left bias on every matter.
They're a loose collection of anti-racism groups, transgender lobby groups, of course, migration, asylum seeker type organisations.
So they have a massive influence on government policy.
You know, it's like it's coming back to the mainstream media in this country again.
It's a real hard left slant on everything.
It's just incredible.
So if a government minister puts out a tweet saying, come on, come on, we may have a housing crisis here, and that's only in parentheses, of course, but you're going to have your own digs in four months.
The media will probably just ignore that, I suppose, or if they bring it up at all... Well, the media is closely related to the government, usually people that are in media positions, they're looking to get into political positions.
Ireland's probably the most notorious for this, you know, have their connections with politicians, so there really is, you know, patting each other on the back sort of situation there.
There's no... Sorry, it's also important for American listeners to understand as well that We here in Ireland, our national TV station is called RTE, Radio Television Ireland, and they also have a radio station.
This receives funding by a licence fee, so every citizen is legally obliged who has a TV.
That's like the BBC isn't it?
Yeah, but they tend not to cover paedophiles, but that's another story.
RTE receives their funding through the purchase of these licences.
And if you don't buy your TV license, you are then sent to prison.
You're kidding.
You have to subscribe to state media or you go to prison?
Yes, sir.
You will be sent to prison.
Whether you watch it or not?
Whether you watch it or not.
So if you have a TV in your house, you have to have a TV license.
My gosh, do you have to have a toaster license?
So, not yet, not yet.
So how the state controlled media, RT, received the funding is through this TV license.
And this is all done, obviously the government supports them.
So, the government then gives them the propaganda that they want disseminated to the people.
Well surely you can watch other channels if you wish, but that's the official voice of the government.
Yeah, so, but you have to have TV licence of every TV in your house or you will be prosecuted and heavily fined.
So even if you don't listen to what I refer to as the state-controlled media, you still have to have this TV licence.
And what we have seen over the past number of years, so RT will put on these productions, drama productions, Telling ancient Celtic stories and what they would do is they would get these, they would deliberately do it, they would get these new Irish and put them into roles of traditional Irish heroes.
And again it's part of, well how would you say?
Politically correct?
So the media are as much on board.
That seems to be the way in every Western European country.
The media are just in the pockets of the politicians or the politicians are in the pockets of the media.
But in any case, they all speak with one voice on these things.
The thing that's detrimental here is it's starting way down to the ground to the children.
The children secondly at the primary school.
They're indoctrinated from the start.
All the tele-shows they watch in our kids are grown up.
All indoctrinated as well.
All studying this particular narrative of literally changing our history by, of course, swapping out Our traditional stories, our Celtic mythology, that we held very dear and sacred to us, and they've completely, they're trying to about-face it.
Like, Cwcondon, they even had productions where they put a black lad in as Cwcondon, who was a famous hero in Irish mythology.
And children see this, and they relate to this, and they assume that's how it was.
Like, oh, there must have been black lads, you know, in Ireland.
That's right, yeah.
That was 2,500 years ago.
It's, you know, it's unbelievable that they get away with this.
I picked up a children's book written in Irish, so it's all jibber-jabber to me, but the illustrations,
there must be at least 50% are one sort of off-white or non-white.
Yeah.
I was astonished to see that.
In the United States, we're used to this, because we've had this race problem.
It's very neutral.
Even on our stamps, if you look at that during Christmas time, they had a very diverse stamp, and people would go to the post and say, Back to my family.
So there was a Christmas stamp that celebrated diversity?
Oh, absolutely!
What was the illustration on that?
Well, it had a family with all sorts of colours of folk in there, you know?
So that was like, when Irish see that, that's not me.
It doesn't represent me.
A diverse family.
But diverse in skin colour.
I see.
So, wow.
I don't think we've yet I hope the US Postal Service is not listening because they'll say what a wonderful idea!
In the UK they minted a 50p coin saying diversity builds Britain.
Diversity built Britain.
And that black-skinned cheddar man, that phony, he's the guy who started it, I suppose.
British values is what they call them now.
Oh, British values.
values, yes, not cultural traditions, but values of diversity and inclusion.
One thing I'll add about the attitude of mainstream media journalists, media class
and their relationship to the Irish government is that a lot of them are eyeing government jobs
eventually, so they're very reluctant to rock the boat in terms of asking hard questions.
you know, so that's all.
Ultimately, you have a very cosy relationship between the media class and government politicians because individual journalists are saying, maybe five, ten years down the line, I want to be a government press officer or a PR agent, etc.
So that's why, again, there's no rocking of the boat.
It's everyone singing from the same Marxist hymn sheet.
Well, just to confirm for our not always on the ball American listeners,
we are now talking about the policies of the Republic of Ireland.
That's correct.
So the North of Ireland is administered by the UK, so they have a different whole system.
They're a separate dominion in a way as well, the North.
Thank you.
They are separate.
They are technically part of the UK, but they're separate as if Scotland is separate to England and Wales.
England and Wales are really joined together, but Scotland and even Northern Ireland being farther separated.
But I understand that there is essentially no customs border between the North of Ireland and the Republic of
Ireland.
So once you're in this part, the southern part, then you can sashay up to the North any time you like, I assume.
I like.
So any terrible immigration policies in the Republic will inevitably bleed north.
Well, gosh.
Well, now that you've painted such a discouraging picture of what's going on, please tell me about some of the
reactions to this.
As I say, there's been enough to have made the news, at least in certain circles, in the United States about the people who are fed up with this.
I guess, first of all, we need to know, once some penniless foreigner shows up seeking asylum, and he has to be put up someplace, what's the usual process for handling these homeless foreigners?
Direct provision centers.
That's what they do. Direct Provision Centres.
Direct Provision Centres.
Yes, that's what they're called and it's part of the asylum industry.
So basically what they do is they find a particular building or a hotel that would love to have some occupancy,
you know, guaranteed occupancy and paid a hefty fee for it.
What they do is they bring these, usually 99% of the time, young fighting-age males from parts of sub-Saharan Africa over to these wee villages in Ireland.
And usually to a local hotel or some sort of other facility, and they bring them in the middle of the night so people don't come upon them until later on.
And usually they're disposed of.
Sometimes they prep us, prep the locals and let them know they're about to do this.
And every time this happens, there's opposition, of course, and anyone that has an opposition towards this direct provision centre in their local area, if they try to organise the Department of Justice, that time and they will employ people to monitor social
media, find people that are allies to them basically and hunt these people down and of course
contact their employment, even their banks, to try to lose their bank accounts, any way to
defame them or to dox them.
Direct provision, essentially.
Right, exactly. So even raise any sort of opposition towards that. The Justice Department
orchestrates these left-wing organizations and NGOs to enforce them.
You said they seem to drop them down in these wee villages, as you call it.
Yes.
So they don't end up in the big cities the way they often do in the United States. They're
sprinkled all around Ireland.
Well, I think it's at a point where the cities have reached saturation points in certain cities.
For example, in Dublin, the North Inner City, two-thirds of the population that are living there are non-Irish.
Two-thirds of the population in the North Inner City are non-Irish.
So, I think in the states you'd call them blocks.
So, approximately, I don't know, maybe 10 blocks are non-Irish.
Out of 15 blocks.
You would not see an Irishman.
That's correct.
10 blocks, not an Irishman.
10 blocks out of 15 would be made up of non-Irish.
That's just the northern city.
So what they're doing is they're literally, as pointed out, they're parachuting them into different communities.
So you could really have just a village of, say, 1,000 people, or 2,000 people, and all of a sudden they've got, what, 50 young black men living in the middle of town?
Try at least 100 to 200.
Yeah, on average it's about 150 to 200.
And when you're talking villages, you're talking maybe 200 or 300.
150 to 200 and when you're talking villages you're talking about is maybe
two or three hundred. So suddenly half the population are these foreign...
Yeah, absolutely yeah. That just must be catastrophic.
What are they expected to do there?
They must be bored silly, first of all.
Well, they usually are masturbating in church.
This is a problem.
They have to be given lessons that it's not okay to rape.
Yeah.
Well, we've heard these horror stories about Mother Merkel, about all these semi-civilized people into Germany.
They had to be told that, well, you just don't lay hands on women anytime, so you're having the same problem here.
We're not to the scale, as of yet, that happened in Germany, but we are going there.
We're under no illusion.
I think even regardless of how well behaved they are, we're talking extreme demographic
replacement and that's where our culture succeeds and disappears and of course the Irish people
are reinvented, they've come to the point where it's not even Ireland anymore.
You're talking about all these different nationalities here.
You have sub-societies that grow.
And no one can organise against the government once that's set in.
So, at this point, most are Sub-Saharan Africans.
Not so much Middle Easterners, North Africans.
A mixture, but most of them would be Sub-Saharan Africans.
Sub-Saharan Africans, yeah.
I wonder why that is.
Because there are plenty of North Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians for that matter.
But for some reason, this has become the destination of choice for black Africans.
It potentially could be the social welfare system.
Well, that's in all of Western Europe.
Maybe North Africans and Middle Easterners are heading to Germany and Sweden in particular.
But again, it's a lot of Sub-Saharan Africans are coming here.
But the reality is that the Irish population is so small and any change, although minuscule compared to other countries, has such a massive impact upon us here.
What is the population of the I can't be certain on that, but we're a very wee population,
just a wee island in the middle of just a speck on the map and even that we're not allowed
to cultivate our culture and language and the like.
Eamon Ryan, who is the leader of the Green Party, has publicly stated that it is his
intention to raise the population to approximately 10 million upon the island of Ireland.
Peace.
And he doesn't propose to do that through encouraging birth rates.
Well, it's the birth rates of who?
Yes.
Not of the native Irish.
Just for your North American listeners as well, is that We have a constitution here and in the constitution you have a right to private property and there's a motion currently going through the Houses of Parliament or Dáil here where the government wants to limit your right to private property.
So the wording of that is that anyone who is resident in the island of Ireland can have property.
So this is to say that if the government decides that you're living in a house with three bedrooms and that you don't need to live in that house, they will take that house off you and give it to a Sub-Saharan African family or a Middle East family.
So this is currently going through, it's being discussed now at government level, and that will then go for a vote to the Irish people.
Now wait, if you have, well this is a possibility, but we're not there yet.
We're not there yet, but with the media who are so complicit, and the NGOs, and we have a large left-leaning political class, Yeah, it will receive pushback.
I just jump in here in the sense that the housing crisis is getting worse and worse and worse.
And already the messaging is that all this referendum will be a silver bullet to the housing crisis.
There's going to be a referendum on this?
Yes.
So what are the terms of the referendum? What's at issue here?
Basically they want to delimit your right to private property.
In other words, the idea is if someone decides you've got too much space in your house, you've got to let somebody come live with you?
No, what they'll do is they'll take your property off you.
So the wording of it is that it's anyone who is resident in Ireland and it's for the greater good.
Yeah.
But bear in mind, no one determines what the greater good is.
Yeah.
And bear in mind, an illegal immigrant is still resident in Ireland.
And bear in mind, they were promised their own turnkey accommodation.
Well, surely, if this is put to the people of Ireland, the people of Ireland are going to say not just no, they're going to say hell no.
I would hope that that's the case.
Depending on how it's worded, that's the question.
But again, this seems so incredible to me, I'm going to bore our more knowledgeable listeners by asking you to repeat this, but the theory is You can be turfed out so that more people can live in this excess property that you have.
You won't be put in some other accommodation?
They will be determined where you could live.
So if you or just you and your wife, they will put you in a one-bedroom apartment.
And they will give your house to a fraudulent refugee family.
Through a deserving man with three wives and 13 children?
Yes.
Now, this is worse than even the Soviet Union at its worst.
I cannot imagine the Irish permitting something like that to happen.
When they came for you, I mean, even the most slack-jawed, open-eyed, empty-headed Irishman or Irishwoman is going to say no, I would think.
I'm quite startled to hear this.
sometime soon? This is going through the process of being discussed in the
39th?
National Parliament so as of yet if and when it does happen we don't know.
What's the name for this proposal? So it's the 39th amendment to the Constitution. 39th I see. Wow.
Well, so, has this been discussed sufficiently broadly, so that if I were to ask a man in the street, what do you think about the 39th Amendment?
You see, this is the thing, and it's a trend I've known for astoundingly many years, that a lot of big, important referendum decisions, the real intense debate doesn't happen until So people have limited time to digest and fully consider, okay, what are all the consequences of yes or no to this decision?
And like a lot of legislation in Ireland in recent years, We're very rushed, no time to debate.
Often cases the mainstream media won't allow thorough debate.
So yeah, this one will be interesting to see how they play it.
I've been chatting to our colleagues in general and very few people, unless they're politically tuned in, are aware that this motion is going through the lower levels of the Parliament.
Well, that's one thing.
No matter how ignorant and spineless most Americans are, if you marched up with your government van and said, we're moving everything you own, and you and your child and your dog out of here, they're going to open fire.
Do you like the days of the famine here?
Well, we don't have a second amendment in this country.
Oh, no. Yeah.
Well, that's extraordinary.
Well, tell me about some of these, I hope, burgeoning and soon to be much more massive demonstrations by Irish people against these implantations.
I leave that to Charles, because you've been... Okay, well, what's happening here is that The momentum has picked up recently because it's a very deliberate policy, particularly by the current head of the government, the homosexual Indian.
Traditionally his party, Fine Gael, hate Sinn Féin, and Sinn Féin are a Marxist party, they're pro open borders.
So a lot of their voter base would traditionally support Sinn Féin because they would be seen to support workers.
But what has happened is Sinn Féin have changed ideologically.
And what the government are doing is with these plantations that are occurring now and these direct provision centres, they're now being put in the areas that would have traditionally supported Sinn Féin at elections.
So what the government are doing is they're creating a division between Sinn Féin, the Marxist party, and their traditional voter base, who would have been more patriotic, So they see this as a direct betrayal by Sinn Féin upon their traditions and their beliefs.
Could you go over that again?
I mean, presumably, Irish people, whether they're Fianna Féin or Sinn Féin or Green, the reaction is going to be negative either way.
But it seems to me that if the government, under the aegis of one party, is sending these people to supporters of the other party, that's certainly not going to win any funds.
Well, what that then allows the government to do is to then give soundbites upon the hardening up of immigration policies.
Now again, these are just soundbites and only in the past couple of days the government made a statement that we will send more police, or we call them Gardaí, we will send more police to the airport to control the immigration.
So that then creates the picture that the Government Party, Fine Gael, are harder on immigration While undermining the traditional voter base of Sinn Féin, who are a Marxist party.
Well then you have Sinn Féin, it does shoot themselves in the foot as well.
Absolutely.
They come out with statements calling these locals that are protesting for their community and calling them racists.
That's their response.
Insulting your voter base.
So it's very deliberate and it's very well thought out and it's political 100%.
In terms of where to put these people, more than how many people to let in.
Well, we have an open border here.
We have an open border.
But these areas would be seen as working class, more hard, tougher areas.
And the locals are not accepting it.
I see.
So there are spontaneous movements of rejection.
What has happened, say in the past, say two months, you had maybe one protest a week.
We're now at a point where there's a protest every night in different towns around the country.
Wonderful.
It's because it has gained a certain traction and momentum so we're now at a point where we have again women out with strollers with the children they're concerned not only for their own safety but for the safety of their children and people are aware of the sexual assaults that occur but they're particularly aware that the state-controlled media are not covering it up.
They have no political representation that will defend our communities.
So these themselves see themselves coming out and defending who and what they are and their communities because they have no one who will do that for them.
That's when they're all struggling for housing as well.
They're all desperate for housing.
And then of course you've got these hundreds of men just plopping in the middle of the mill at 8, 3 o'clock in the morning.
Even a combination.
It's worth emphasising too that there are a lot of wealthy areas in Dublin where there are no direct provision centres.
In fact, there was an effort a few years ago to install one in Ballsbridge, Dublin.
That's a high-tone neighbourhood.
Indeed, very much so.
very politicians that are not thinking about policy would be resigning thirds.
And of course, well, the inhabitants, as is their right, they went by legal means, they
got an injunction against this direct provision centre going ahead.
So again, you could say it's almost class-based to an extent that the working class communities
have to rise up in street protests, which to be fair, are peaceful, because they don't
have the financial means to employ high-powered lawyers to fight this.
They just don't have the connections or notice system or anything.
Indeed.
Absolutely.
So the fat cats, they do it through kind of wire pulling and legal this and that and chicanery.
Well, but so far nobody's burned down one of these places.
That's a very good question.
I'm glad you asked it.
Yeah, unfortunately if somewhere is known to be earmarked for a direct provision center, it may spontaneously combust.
I see.
Yeah.
Unexplained bad wiring maybe, and it's been known to happen.
It's been known to happen, but the concern moving forward again is that a lot of these protests have been non-violent, but it's the government's intention to introduce hate speech laws.
I do want to learn all about that, but on this question of these spontaneous uprisings,
is there any group or political party that's trying to organize and coordinate these, or
are these really just the spirit of the people?
It's really, I'd say it's grassroots at this point.
Because any political group or organization that tries to become involved, they're branded.
And that's their branded far-right.
Well, that organization is far-right.
It's the first thing that the media runs with.
That's another thing that I must mention when it comes to families in these communities.
It's not just housing.
We're talking a medical care.
This is not a country you want to become sick in if you're dealing with the HSC, which is like our national health care.
A lot of people carry these people as communities, especially women and children have have medical cares and they rely upon this health care system.
For their family seeds, and it's just broken down underneath the strain of all these new Irish.
Wow.
I suppose the small political parties that are trying to tap into the protests at the moment, I suppose the three most prominent ones would be the National Party, Irish Freedom Party, and Ireland First.
Now, understandably, the residents don't want their events to become political.
They want them to be seen as organic movements of the people protesting.
So, for the most part, certainly the Irish Freedom Party and the National Party have been attending with unbranded Banners and signs.
Initially, yeah, again, it's sort of a show of solidarity with the local people that, okay, look, we are here, we are present, and it's a sort of recognition that, look, this is your protest, but we are here in support in the background.
I see.
Without trying to take any... That seems like a very intelligent way of doing it, so that the media cannot say, oh, here are these nasty National Party, whatever they are, stirring up Otherwise, law-abiding and happy diversity-worshipping Irish people.
They'll do it regardless.
One thing I've learned about the media is they write whatever suits them.
Yes, yes, yes, they'll do that.
They won't let the truth be getting in the way.
So I suppose there could be some behind-the-scenes assistance or coordination, but it's just as well that no one is branding these as our effort.
This is genuinely a local Irish popular community-based, yeah.
Usually the men in the communities that are, you get some leadership type men that stand up and lead these, which is very encouraging to see.
Wow, that is very encouraging.
And these are becoming more and more common, you said?
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, on a daily basis they're becoming more common.
Wow, and so the media of course are screaming about this intolerance of racism and Nazism, but to the extent that they can't find people who are affiliated in any public way with a party, it would be very
difficult for them to say anything other than this is a community reaction. Well, initially
the state-controlled media and their minions were ignoring these peaceful protests and
communities defending themselves.
Yes.
And then when they reached such a critical mass, they had to start acknowledging these peaceful protests.
And again, the terms like far-right were used and other terms which are not factual.
So it's an attempt to smear those who are defending their communities.
The fact is, If you show up and here are people demonstrating, you have no idea what their politics are.
And lets you go around and poll every single one of them?
No, but I suppose they would simply say, yet another far-right demonstration when all it really is, is whatever politics these people have, they just want their communities left alone.
They're desperate for this wind.
But invariably, I assume they're called far-right.
Yeah.
And again, it's in context that you could have people who are waiting 10, 15, even 17 years in social housing.
And they have these people arriving in and they're given a social house.
They have sons and daughters then who are forced to emigrate because that's only another viable option.
So they have these people coming in, third worlders, and they're getting these ahead of the native Irish.
Wow.
Well, it is very encouraging to hear this reaction.
And it's, in a way, it's sort of too bad that there isn't a kind of organization that helps them, but it sounds as though it's not required.
And to the extent that it's not required, that's even more encouraging.
The problem with an organization, to some degree, is it can be targeted by the government.
Yes, exactly.
And that's what they're trying to do now.
What can these demonstrations have any concrete effect?
leaders involved with this sort of uprising, I guess you'd call it, to the point where
they're watching everyone's move.
They're just waiting for the violence to happen, and then when the violence happens they will
come down hard.
What... can these demonstrations have any concrete effect?
If enough people say, no, we don't want this centre here, will they have to stick it someplace
else, or are these futile for the most part?
I'm open to correction here, but that has worked where communities start protesting before the economic migrants arrive.
I'm thinking of Utrecht and Galway, for example, the community started protesting before The migrants arrived and as a result... It's lost there as well?
The community essentially won.
They weren't housed in that small village of Uchterard.
But you see the issue is that they're being brought in in the dead of night.
And it's only the following day or the days after that the local community realise, oh god, we have 250 fighting age males in a building, a former hotel, etc.
in the middle of our small Another way that communities are pushing back, if a building is identified to house these individuals, they will go through the planning regulations.
So if a building does not meet the fire regulations to house people, that's how they're blocked as well.
The trouble is, of course, say you have a success one place, so long as the policy doesn't change at the top, They'll find some more supine community in which they can inflict these wrongs.
And that's why the protests are growing.
Wonderful, wonderful.
They managed to do it, we better do it.
Absolutely, yeah.
People see that others are doing exactly what you said and become heartened and say, yeah, they know it's wrong.
Well, you brought up this question of hate speech and hate crime laws.
What is the status on so-called hate speech in Ireland today?
Well, we already have incitement to hatred laws, which, you know, again, if you make an explicit call to target a certain group, you will be prosecuted.
But these hate speech laws are going to go further.
Well, tell me about what is prescribed now.
What can you not say?
I mean, perhaps I shouldn't ask you, but... Essentially, you can't call for violence against any identified groups, which is... And it can even be in the abstract.
You could say, I want to behead all Pakistanis.
And you'd go off to jail if you said that.
Maybe if you said it in a sort of a semi-formal... Again, it could be the tone that it's in.
If it's seen as a joke, okay.
Maybe it's a bad-tasting joke.
But if it's seen as something that's deliberate and with a clear intention of doing that, they will act upon it.
They will.
And have there been Irish people who have gone to jail for their speech already?
Oh, absolutely.
That teacher who didn't address that student to the proper pronoun.
That just seems incredible to me.
Simply for refusing to refer to someone as they, them, or we, she, or whatever it was he was up to, he went to jail.
I suppose just to be pedantic here and not give the left any oxygen, what happened was
he'd initially kicked off in that he had a student who chose, wanted to be addressed
with they, them pronouns.
I see.
And he was instructed by the school management that yes, you will have to address the student
with they, them and Mr. Burke, Enoch Burke said no, that goes against my religious beliefs
and as a result he was suspended with pay.
I see.
And essentially he, I'm jumping a bit, but he continued turning up at school Even though he was warned not to.
I see.
And eventually the school got an injunction to prevent him physically attending the school.
So he was relieved of all duties and told not to set foot on the school ground.
Indeed.
And as a result of ignoring the court injunction, he was held in contempt of court.
Was that after the fact?
After his first imprisonment?
Chronologically, I would say yes.
That's an important point in my view.
So he was not imprisoned for refusing to address this person in the obligatory trial?
That's how I understood it.
It wasn't until afterwards, after his release, that he started turning up at the school.
I feel I followed the case closely enough.
I am 99% certain that it was In chronological order, I said, and it was purely contempt of court.
That's why he found himself in prison.
But ultimately, you could say the starting point was the fact he refused to address the student with they-them pronouns.
But as far as you recall, the punishment for refusing to use the obligatory pronouns was to be relieved of duty and ordered off campus.
Indeed, yeah.
I mean that's bad enough.
Yeah.
But, I see.
Well, then what are the new laws that might be a brewing?
Thank you.
Thank you.
The hate speech, and I'm kicking myself because I watched a video about it from an esteemed solicitor during the week, essentially that If I despise individuals with the first name of David, and then I actively attack any person named David, that not only would I be prosecuted for attacking a David,
There would be an additional, shall we say, intent added in the fact that originally Robert stated he despised all men named David.
So this sounds like an additional penalty that would be added to the punishment for what is otherwise Still a crime.
In other words, we have the same thing in the United States.
You can have a hate crime enhancement to your punishment.
And after all, assault is a crime.
But if you assault someone, at least in part because of that person's protected characteristics, then there is a hate crime penalty added to your punishment.
But now we're not talking about speech here.
This has to do, in the United States, it has to do with motivation.
And it sounds as though that's the sort of thing that's being considered here.
There would be additional penalties if your motives were particularly impure.
That's not how I read it.
Basically what it was stated, this particular woman that's pushing this policy, she was basically stating that if you had any sort of, if you disagreed with any policy or person be considered hate speech. Particular subjects would be
protected like immigration. You cannot speak upon immigration. You cannot criticize the
immigration policy of the country because that would be considered hate speech. This very
conversation can be considered as hate speech.
Well, now this, I certainly hope that this does not happen and it would seem to me that
in effect you're saying that a particular immigration policy could become beyond reproach.
Absolutely.
And they determine what hate speech is.
It's their determination.
So, if we're in a conversation that we're having now, and someone hears this, again, it's like far right.
It's never defined.
The hate speech is open to interpretation.
By the perceived victim.
Well, that often seems to be the way these things are worded.
That if something is perceived as hateful by someone who claims to be a victim, it makes no difference what your intent was, or in fact, even what you said.
Well, again, in having a conversation, we're not calling for X, Y, and Z. We're having a conversation, and we're using hard facts.
Yes.
And we're discussing them in a manner, and we're not identifying or calling for anything.
But the fact we're having a very conversation can be considered as hate speech.
Actually, yes, that solicitor was emphasising that point that a lot hinges on the perception of offence by the alleged victim.
Yes, this is just preposterous.
Someone can take offence at most anything.
And if you claim, I suppose, vociferously enough that you've been offended, then an offence has been given.
Whatever you said, whatever your intention, It's what they've perfected, these left-wing organizations, as submitting complaints about being offended by somebody's speech.
And so now, if they can just outlaw that entirely, they've really got control.
Well, I know in Britain, for example, people have said players and some black football player misses a crucial
penalty kick and you tweet out a whole series of pictures of bananas or
something and you can be called in and fined for that. This is, at least so far in
the United States, this is unthinkable. Now I suppose you wouldn't be surprised if
you were moving in that direction in our...
If you were to do that, would you be fined if you tweeted bananas?
We're not there yet.
We're getting radically close.
I think there's something that came out, a statistic that really emanates in my mind about how many people are imprisoned in Russia by social media posts.
Over 300.
And then, of course, in Britain, the amount of people in prison was over 3,300.
Yes.
Last year alone.
Yes.
For social media posts.
Extraordinary, yes.
In the United States, our heads spin when we hear these figures.
I mean, of course in the United States you're punished in different ways, but no, it's extraordinary that the government takes that attitude.
Perhaps it's difficult to make any predictions in terms of what sort of progress we can expect or fear for laws of that kind, but is this current under discussion, the whole new revamping of hate speech laws?
Again, it's progressing through the houses of Parliament and they have a date, don't
they, in which they want to introduce hate speech legislation.
That's correct, yes.
So, again, you're talking months down the line, if not a bit sooner.
And what about this referendum, this 39th Amendment?
That's still going through discussion stages.
There are eight stages it has to go through.
Eight stages?
It's still going through a discussion, but it's... I think originally they had pointed autumn 2023 as to when the referendum would be held, but I don't know if that timeline is still on track.
Well, I'll try to keep an eye on these developments.
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground here.
Are there any particular developments of an immigration or racial nature that you all think Americans would be interested in?
Anything else we haven't covered that we should?
I think something that should be stated, the people in America must understand,
here in Europe people have tried to fight this, tried to organize against us,
and have been met with incredible intimidation by the government,
to the point where you've been imprisoned, where you've lost all means of your bank account,
in which you conduct business, your name is tarnished, you're doxed. I'm sure they're
perhaps familiar with the doxing aspect, but here in Europe it's extreme.
So...
Well, it certainly seems that way.
So far, at least in the United States, you can go to jail for things you've said or positions you take politically.
As I say, there are all kinds of other punishments.
In a way, it's almost worse for me psychologically.
The government can pretend it's hands off.
We are virtuous.
Freedom of speech.
First Amendment.
Well, no, that is one respect in which we do have a bulwark against this kind of persecution, at least in the government.
But any other messages that you'd like to give to our North American comrades?
I feel as though we really are part of this brotherhood of Europeans and your fight is very much our fight.
And we are battling as best we can and to any extent we can work together is to our mutual benefit.
Any other words of encouragement or advice to your American brethren?
I suppose protect your constitution and defend it.
Defend your flag.
And you have a lot of rights that we in Europe don't have.
We look to you as well for certain examples on how to lead the way and we're doing the best that we can under the circumstances.
Well we will hope to set a good example to the extent we can.
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