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Nov. 15, 2022 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Building Our OWN Economy
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Hey guys, welcome to Left, White and Right.
I am Gregory Hood and I'm here with Sarah Dye.
And we are going to be discussing her brand new business enterprise, which is already making a huge impact.
And I can say from personal experience, it's really good and worth your time and attention and money.
So thanks for joining me today, Sarah.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me on.
So how did it get started?
I mean, this seems like a bit of a departure for you from what was happening previously.
Absolutely.
It is very different.
Yes.
So we are now roasting coffee.
So we get green coffee that's been processed and dried and then we're hand roasting it ourselves, doing small batches and shipping it to customers across the United States.
And yeah.
So above time, what caused you to pick that name and What exactly are you trying to achieve with this beyond simply just making money?
Yeah, well, so Above Time is obviously a concept that's kind of related to the esoteric concept that was put forth by the writer Savitri Devi, who wrote about this idea of kind of above time against time in time, and she used historical figures including Genghis Khan and others from history to represent These ideas she had about a way of existing in the world, and it was very much relative to transcendence from the material world.
And so while the name certainly rings a lot true with the work of Savitri Devi, it also, I feel like, is just a title that can kind of be interpreted on a personal level by a lot of us in this movement.
And it just has a lot to do with kind of rising above, you know, rising above the circumstances that sometimes are given to us in life that are challenging or scary or difficult or unpredictable.
And, you know, our family in particular, we've gone through quite a bit over the past few years.
And when we began to plan and form this company, this coffee company, it really kind of felt like we were in a way sort of
Tapping into that that feeling of kind of being above time and just transcending the situation that that we had
previously been in I'm a sucker for Evela
So you had me when you had that name when you start talking about transcendence with your morning coffee. I'm totally
in for that. I Do think that it's really important what you're doing
because I feel like there's a trend that's happening among the movement
Obviously, there are different subcultures and people believe different things, but there does seem to be a
general trend of people forming tribes forming businesses forming networks and
basically saying that we need to use our dollars and keep it within our community and
Basically stop patronizing people who hate us Certainly, if you look at a company like Starbucks, not only do they make, let's face it, overpriced and pretty terrible coffee, but
They seem to despise us on a racial level, and they promote political causes that I don't think people of our sort will want to support.
And it's important to have these kinds of alternatives.
Before getting into some of the stuff that you and your family went through over the past few years, how specifically were you able to get started with coffee?
I mean, what did it take to get this going from the ground up?
And was it something that you seized on just because you saw nobody else doing it?
Yeah, that's a great question.
Well, how it started was simply with an idea that came from a friend who has a lot of great ideas.
And, you know, we were visiting, and the idea was kind of casually mentioned, and it was just kind of like, why don't we have a nationalist-owned coffee company in America?
And, uh, we kind of just looked at each other all through, you know, all three of us and we're like, yeah, why don't we?
That's, that's crazy.
And, uh, yeah.
And then my husband and I were like, you know, maybe we could do that.
I mean, that's really how it started.
And then over the course of the next few weeks, um, I took some time just to kind of research it and look into it.
I ordered some books.
Uh, we had a friend who was very experienced, uh, not in the U S but, um, located in North America.
He was very experienced with roasting coffee and is kind of a coffee guru.
And he made himself totally available to us as far as asking questions about equipment to use and how and where to source beans and things like this.
And just slowly but surely, everything kind of kept falling.
All the puzzle pieces kept falling into place.
And, you know, that kept projecting us forward.
And like, hey, you know, this seems like we're meant to be doing this.
Everything's kind of coming into place.
That's kind of how it started.
And really, it started not that long ago.
I think that this initial conversation and idea was sprouted just last winter, if I'm remembering correctly.
It may have been last fall, I don't even remember.
But it was certainly less than a year ago.
So we had no idea a year ago that we would be doing this.
It's a pretty impressive turnaround from idea to execution.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, you know, we are a very high agency people, aren't we?
So we are.
Yeah.
So, so that's kind of how it was born.
And, um, I actually, if you could remind, what was the second part of your question?
Well, well, how did it, what were some of the challenges that you experienced when you started setting this up?
Like why?
I mean, obviously when you have the idea of why don't we have a nationalist coffee company?
There are a lot of details, I assume, that you kind of figure out once you actually start trying to implement it that you didn't realize at the beginning.
Yes, well, so there's kind of multi-levels to this.
First and foremost, being that it's a food business, we had to do a lot of conversations with the state health department, the local health department, about how we could go about doing it legally.
Obviously, things are different when you're shipping a product
through the mail outside of your state.
So you're not able to be under the umbrella of a cottage food
laws.
We had to be a registered retail food people, basically.
So we're kind of under a different category there.
And a lot of those types of places are simply restaurants.
And we did not have a brick and mortar space that would allow us to roast.
And honestly, with our situation and having been doxed and having so much publicity around our docks,
we didn't even really put a whole lot of effort into finding a restaurant owner who would allow us to
operate, because we already knew what would happen.
We've been through this before with Antibites and Antifa, you know, the pressure campaigns that they put on to cancel everybody.
Right.
So, um, we were looking into various options and at one point we had been told that we were going to have to install like a $70,000 facility in order to do this.
And we were just crushed, you know, we were like, Oh no.
And we'd already put so much effort into it.
And, um, and then through, uh, more conversations and just kind of sitting with it, taking some time, we realized that it might, might actually work for us to do this with a food truck.
So.
Um, it's, it's not a loophole.
I mean, this is just a different, Umbrella that we're under, but it's the food truck business.
So we have a cargo trailer that we bought brand new.
And then my husband and I worked on converting it to basically a miniature commercial kitchen.
So, you know, our stainless steel plumbing, hot water heater, and all of these things are in there.
And, um, that is our little miniature roasting facility.
So that's where everything happens.
We roast the coffee package, the orders, um, and, and everything from, from that space.
So, uh, that, that was a challenge.
And then I suppose another challenge that we faced was, um, you know, one of the first things that occurred to us was how important it would be to, uh, to make sure that we could protect our customers' personal information.
Obviously, like, um, that's a huge concern.
And as far as building a website or something like that, we also had to be concerned about getting canceled from You know, the platforms that have easy to use templates, such as Wix or GoDaddy or the like.
In the past, I had built simple websites using their templates.
I wouldn't say built, I didn't build websites, but I had utilized their templates before.
But for this business, that was obviously not going to be an option.
And so that was a little bit of a challenge, but it was brief because a friend stepped forward, you know, almost immediately.
And offered their skills for creating a self-hosted website.
So that's what we're doing now.
And yeah, other than that, just the logistics of finding our flow with processing orders and getting things shipped out on time.
That has been a little bit of a challenge.
If anybody's listening right now and they ordered and they had to wait a couple weeks or more, they're probably going to be nodding their heads to this.
We got, you know, kind of slammed with orders when we launched, which was great.
And that's a good problem.
I know it really is.
But, you know, people were nice.
People were very sweet and they understood that we had kind of had to find our rhythm with that.
So, yeah, but it's it's been amazing.
It's been really great.
People seem excited.
We've also had so much good feedback as to the taste of the coffee.
Yeah, it's very good.
Thank you.
I'm glad that you like it.
We have been kind of coffee snobs for a long time.
So we've been drinking good locally roasted coffee for a long, many years.
And, you know, we kind of thought to ourselves, man, I hope that we're going to be able to make coffee that's as good as what we've been drinking all this time.
And I will have to say, I think our coffee is better.
So that, not to sound big headed, but I'm just happy that we were able to achieve a good product that people are enjoying.
So.
Well, I think what you're doing, it's not just that it's a business, but one of the big things that people are always asking is, what can we do?
What can we do?
And that's such a broad question because you don't really have an answer until you have an idea of what a person's circumstances are.
I mean, whether they are doxed, whether they're willing to get doxed, what financial resources they have, what career path they're on.
So much of it, you just say something like, oh, donate or something like that.
And it feels like such a cheap thing to do.
But these types of things are, I think, far more important in many ways than just simple political action, because you're actually building something.
You're actually building something that sustains not just your family, but other people and eventually creates like a larger business network.
And it seems to me that a lot of people are starting to move in this direction.
And as you point out, It really does.
Our critical advantage, one, is that we're already used to being canceled from everything.
So, you know, the very concept of using something like PayPal or whatever else, I mean, that's just not a thing, right?
I mean, we just kind of take for granted that certain obstacles are going to pop up once in a while.
But so we know how to get around those, but we also put quality above quantity.
And it seems that America, particularly when you look at food, It's just junk.
It's just mass-produced garbage, and there's this sense that people don't even regard it as food.
But if you have something that is high quality, something that is made by people you know, and something where you actually feel like you're contributing something toward the cause with money that you're going to spend anyway, I think that's a concept that a lot of people can get behind.
But this isn't the first time you've had to deal with this.
Obviously, you had the farmer's market That was going in 2019 where you basically had the, well, well before 2019, right?
I mean, could you describe how that whole situation came about?
Yeah.
Well, um, my husband and I have for, well, we've been together 17 years and for, for, um, our first many years together, we did a lot of traveling before we had children.
We were very into kind of living off grid.
And traveling around kind of visiting different like mountainous areas, wilderness areas, different farms.
And we were we were reading like Derrick Jensen and all kind of this anti-civ stuff back then.
This was prior to kind of waking up to our, you know, to white identity essentially.
But through that, we came to the point where we really wanted to have our own vegetable garden and kind of Live off the fruit of the land, the fat of the land, you know.
And so we bought our little three acre farm back in 2011.
And we dove right into establishing some really awesome, really great, beautiful vegetable gardens and built a greenhouse here.
And we thought, you know, this is going so well, we should sell our products at this local farmer's market.
And the farmer's market, I always have to tell people if they're not familiar with this, this is one of the biggest, most Successful farmers markets in the Midwest it sees on.
At high season it sees up to ten thousand customers pass through it in a single on a single Saturday so we thought Hey you know we could make some really good money selling our vegetables there and we did so we joined that market back in now two thousand eleven or two thousand twelve and for almost a decade we sold our produce there and our business.
Was growing it started very small.
But we believe that eventually it would become.
Pretty lucrative, as it had for some of the older seasoned farmers that were selling there.
And we were one of the most popular booths there.
The farmer's market had featured pictures of our booth in their advertising materials, and we had been in the local newspaper, pleasantly, for little blurbs and stories about what we were doing with our land and our farm.
And our family grew.
We went from having one two-year-old to we now have three.
Over the course of time.
And thank you.
And also over the course of that time, around 2015, we started to wake up to White Identity, which was a kind of a miraculous story in and of itself.
But we were eager to share, I should say, probably more so me, but we were essentially eager to share what we were learning about this awakening with our peers and friends.
And that was not well received.
So we kind of learned the hard way that it doesn't always work to do that.
And so this was a local college town nearby where we were selling.
And because it was quite thick with anti-white terrorists, also known as Antifa, and anarchists, and leftists, it's a college town, so a lot of leftists, a lot of liberals there.
And because it was that way, word got around quite quickly.
And of course, we found ourselves being labeled Um, the tip of such as white supremacist and neo-Nazi and the like.
And of course we were at that time pretty taken aback by it.
And especially when we had these, some of these people showing up to protest or not to protest back then, but to kind of harass us at our farmer's market stand, some local anarchists in Antifa.
And, um, it, uh, it got pretty bad to where they were coming every Saturday.
At one point, there was a violent altercation between these people and another vendor, which had actually nothing to do with us.
They were just coming to market and making trouble.
Yeah, I find they tend to do that quite a bit, where they just kind of attack people who were just randomly by.
Yeah, they do.
So, and we had a vandalism here at our property.
This was all before.
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Can you hear me?
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Okay.
Yeah.
So, so that was going on and, uh, and then it got worse.
And in 2019, I was doxxed as having been a member of Identity Europa.
And, um, and so the town was all abuzz with, I mean, that just the level of hatred for us went up to as Isaac, which is, you know, of course it's ridiculous because it's a very moderate group compared to, A lot of the left-wing groups out there.
I mean, the idea that Identity Europa is some extremist group compared to some of the groups that are running around getting all sorts of funding from major corporations and all of the groups that took part in a lot of the violence we saw in 2020.
I mean, just the power of the media to determine what is considered extreme and what is not can be pretty terrifying sometimes.
Exactly, exactly.
I think the tagline for that organization was like a generation of awakened young white people or European heritage people.
I mean, that's a terrible paraphrase, but it was something like that.
And there were, you know, obviously strict rules and we had a very strict stance on being law-abiding citizens and remaining above reproach and everything that we did and said.
And so when I was dubbed, Well, the statements in the private chat rooms were published, and really, I mean, I stood by every one of them.
I mean, there were no slurs used.
Having lived as a child in a majority non-white neighborhood on the east side of a big city and, you know, things like this.
It was just things related to my awakening up to my white identity.
And so it was almost as though that wasn't good enough for them.
And these people could not just have the truth.
It's like the truth is never enough for them.
So what what happened, of course, was that they tried to embellish everything they possibly could and blew it up and then even went to as far as to try to connect my husband and I with a criminal who we obviously had nothing to do with.
And so in that Was what I think really blew the whole thing up.
And so, of course, they contacted the New York Times.
Right.
This was in the Daily Beast.
And so there were massive protests at the farmers market throughout 2019.
And the worst part about it was that the city, the city run farmers market, the staff, the parks director, even the police, some of the members of the directors of operations of the police department and the mayor, all were supportive and encouraged.
These people protesting, the mayor even made public statements stating that he supported what these protesters were doing to our business.
So we ended up in a lawsuit.
Actually, we were able to retain an attorney who felt very confident that he could defend our rights.
And that was a long on out process.
We actually, yeah, so we ended up losing that lawsuit.
It never even Made it to court.
We were requesting a jury and the judge, I'm sure, was in the back pocket of the mayor.
But I'm still very glad that we were able to put up that legal fight with them.
It was a long, drawn-out process, which obviously cost them, I'm sure, a lot of money and brought a lot of exposure to the city and the town and that mayor.
And even though we never got our jury, The whole state of Indiana and a lot of people throughout the country saw the mayor for who he really was and also learned a lot about the city of Bloomington.
Yeah, they really do expect you to just kind of cringe and any kind of resistance whatsoever is always welcome because they just don't expect it.
They're just so used to people buckling and apologizing and everything else.
And so whatever you can do in terms of PR or on the legal front, and every once in a while, I mean, I don't expect much from the American judicial system, but every once in a while you get something.
And it's always worthwhile putting up that fight.
But of course, with 2019 and then going into 2020, and then when we had COVID, I mean, did COVID kind of make the whole farmer's market thing redundant because of the way the country overreacted to it and everything else?
Yeah, I would say so.
There was really no way for protesters to even enter the market in 2020 because, especially being in such a liberal town, they had it on absolute lockdown and were going to all of the extremes that were being recommended by the health department.
So there was no way that the protests could continue during 2020.
I want to tell you too, this is just a Kind of a fun little tidbit as far as fighting back and the various ways to fight back.
One of the ways that we fought back through that, not just with the lawsuit, was just simply by going back to that farmer's market.
So the protesting started in June, and I'm talking people in front of our booth.
We had one guy was walking by with a skateboard, which anybody who has a history of skateboarding knows that they can be used as a weapon.
Basically waving it in the air with our names on the bottom of it, threatening to essentially do violence on us with a skateboard.
We had BlackBlock and TifaCom a couple of times.
It was really crazy.
And on social media, of course, I was kind of following what people were saying and trying to plan ahead, like, are people going to be protesting again this week and this sort of thing?
And they were all saying in June of 2019, they were patting each other on the back and saying, good job, guys.
Thanks for coming out today.
Don't worry, this might take a couple of weeks, but we will get them out.
We will make them leave.
Well, they were very wrong because we went back week after week after week all the way through to the end of the season in November.
And then we were obviously still back for the next, you know, years.
So that is a little bit of a success story that I wanted to share.
That is an important success story.
I mean, the defiance, the defiance can actually break them more than it breaks us, because again, they just don't expect it.
And they also believe their own propaganda a lot of times.
I mean, I think that they're genuinely shocked when people are just like, yeah, I just don't care what you think.
I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing anyway.
But is it fair to say, I mean, obviously this isn't something that you're doing now, but is that Basically a result of COVID more than anything else.
I mean, does the farmer's market come back into operation or is that whole thing been kind of set back because of everything that happened over the last few years?
Well, actually, no.
Our farmer's market business was truly squashed by the docks.
And for a while, there were some local kind of conservative types coming out, Trump supporters and free speech lovers.
Coming out to support us.
And we kind of thought that that might sustain us in that we could stay and keep doing that for a living.
And that fizzled out.
While we very much appreciate that support, it just, you know, wasn't sustainable.
And as far as customers went.
And then over the course of that, for financial reasons, my husband had to find other work.
And so with him working full time away from our farmstead, There really wasn't any way that I could keep up with the business by myself.
So we are still growing vegetables for ourself.
We still are passionate about, you know, living off the fat of the land as much as we can and that sort of thing.
But we've scaled back a lot to, uh, to more of just what works for our family right now.
And, and we're not, we're not in that business anymore.
And as far as how COVID affected it, um, actually that is not what, what did us in and ironically, There was a survey during 2020 with all the COVID lockdowns of all the vendors.
There were about 75 to 80 vendors at that farmer's market.
They surveyed the vendors to ask them how their sales were.
And because they had taken measures to, um, they had implemented an online ordering system, which, which helped all of the vendors immensely.
So, um, the majority of the vendors reported that year that it was actually one of their best years ever.
So, um, yeah, so, but not for us.
Right.
We're not popular at that farmer's market anymore.
Not popular enough to continue doing that.
Adapt and overcome, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Adapt and overcome.
And, you know, that's one of the reasons why Above Time, as a name for the coffee company, is so important.
And then we also named our house blend after the Rune Hagalaz, which is, you know, an ancient European symbol and has a lot of meaning for some people or anybody who's interested.
It's about, you know, kind of overcoming and the seed of potential that can come after a period of chaos and destruction.
Right.
Yeah, and that sort of thing, so... It's the rune with the double meaning in that it's the hailstorm, but it's also the rune that contains all the other rune forms.
Yes, right, so...
Well, it may sound like kind of a sad or depressing story.
I hope it doesn't, because through all of it, we were defiant.
And through all of it, we trusted that this was happening for a reason.
As terrible as it was, you know, there would certainly be something, some sort of door might open.
And doors have opened.
So now that it's been, what, three years later?
Right.
It almost feels like a lifetime ago.
It's almost surreal how much has changed in the past three years.
Yeah.
I think one of the things that has changed dramatically, I mean, because there's basically three time periods.
You can think of 2015.
I'm not going to let you off the hook with the miraculous story of coming to White Identity.
I'm going to have to ask you about how that came about.
But there was that period when people were, we basically had What we thought America was supposed to be.
We had free speech.
We were able to operate.
We were able to do business.
We were able to basically be normal American citizens.
Then you had the crackdowns and the later part of the Trump administration.
And then you had COVID, which I think.
And then the aftermath of that where a lot of the conservatives and a lot of the people who I think were very quick to disown us suddenly found, oh, wait, this is coming for us, too.
And it seems like now there's a lot of the people who are very quick to disassociate from white identity or to try to be politically correct have come around to the idea that it doesn't work because we are essentially the people they come for first, but they just keep coming.
They're going to come for everybody else too.
And I feel like it's not, we don't have that freedom to operate the way we did in 2015, We've developed alternatives, and among normal Americans, people know what Antifa are.
People know what the radical left is all about.
People know what cultural Marxism is, and they don't like it.
And the fact that we have a kind of mass constituency, I mean, that's something that just didn't exist three years ago.
No, it didn't.
No, it didn't.
I remember speaking with one of the local sheriffs after we had been vandalized.
And this was back in 2018.
And telling him, yes, I'm pretty sure it was... that it did this.
And he looked like I was speaking a foreign language.
You know, he was like, answer what?
He didn't even know what that word was.
And you're right.
And I think that the BLM riots and Antifa riots that went down, uh, gosh, when was that?
2019?
Yeah.
Yeah.
2020, right?
Even that seems like a lifetime ago, but yeah.
Yeah, it definitely woke a lot of people up.
I think that 2020 really shocked a lot of normal conservatives because a lot of the things we were talking about was a lot of it was brought before them in a way they could no longer deny.
And I just remember a lot of the people who I had been talking to years ago contacted me out of the blue and being like, OK, you're right about everything.
You know, because when you see like journalists assuring you that it's a mostly peaceful protest while things are on on fire in the background, it's very, you have to be pretty deep into the Kool-Aid to be going along with it at that point.
And that's also, I think, what's led to the environment we have now, where people understand Concepts like woke capital.
People understand the idea that big business is not your friend.
People understand the idea of being cancelled and that it's not a question of necessarily being extreme or having views that are incorrect.
It's just a question of having the powerful against you.
And I think normal Americans are far more sympathetic to us than they were three years ago.
Because a lot of them are going through the same thing.
Yes, absolutely.
I think that we've made a lot of progress in that area for sure.
And it's been a combination of the work of a lot of great activists, a lot of great podcasts, and this sort of thing.
But also, like you said, just people seeing things happening right before their very eyes and happening to their own towns and cities.
And yeah, so that's a positive thing for sure.
Yeah.
I've been doing, I guess, white advocacy stuff for about a decade now.
Originally from within Conservatism Inc and then afterward from outside of it, but Somebody who was I guess at the beginning of the alt-right.
I remember saying like There will come a point where we'll have five people at a protest and then we'll get to 50 people and then once we get 50 people we'll get 500 people and then from there no force on earth can stop us and that seems unbelievably naive now because of course We didn't really understand how much the system would react against us in 2016, 2017, 2018.
I mean, it's hard to imagine, but at the time in 2015, the idea that a web hosting company might take down your website or that a payment processor wouldn't let you use their service, that was just insane.
Like if somebody had predicted that in 2013, I would have said, you're crazy.
That's not how things work in America.
It'll never get to that point.
And now it's just taken for granted, but maybe that was just something we had to go through because I don't know.
It's, it's horrible because I know a lot of good people who were hurt very seriously and you're one of them obviously, but it's also maybe necessary because I'm like Hagalaz, right?
I mean, you, you have to go through that to see what comes out on the other side, because if we're ever going to get anywhere, we have to, Expect opposition and you know if you are saying that we're under the rule of an evil system I guess you can't be too surprised when it actually starts operating like an evil system Yes, exactly that's exactly right and and not not that anyone should desire suffering but interestingly I just picked up another Savitri Devi book called defiance which I began began reading and the first just the first handful of pages of
Are so gripping and reading her story.
And she says something in there about how she was about to face, she was facing, uh, the potential arrest.
And for a moment she felt weak and scared.
And of course this is quite a defiant woman, far more strong than I I'm sure.
But she says something to the effect of she, she resolved to, to essentially just bring it on and said, go ahead, bring on the suffering.
Because when she considered all the suffering that those before her had gone through for her cause. You know, so it's sort of that thing. It's not
like getting doxxed is pleasant. It's not like enduring terrorism and anti-white terrorism from
these evil people is pleasant and the cancel culture and all of this. But at the same
time, you know, it's almost like it has to happen in a way for people to to wake up and begin to
take our own side fully, to fully take our own side. That's that's very well. I have. And when I
say that I'm thinking so much about.
Yeah. Well, if I may. Yeah. Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So, so yeah, even, even three years ago, after we got doxxed, even though I felt like we were standing up and being strong, when I go back and listen to some of the interviews that I did with local media, Which were very few because I obviously was careful not to do interviews with hostile media, but one in particular, I cringe.
I went back recently and listened to this interview and I thought I was being very forward and brave and strong in that interview.
And I cringe now listening to it because I can still hear myself almost apologizing and making excuses, even though I didn't think that I was at the time.
And it really kind of put things into perspective for me and helped me realize how much I have changed as a person over the past three years after going through that situation, and how I feel finally in this long process of waking up to white identity, because it is like peeling layers off an onion.
And I thought that the onion was fully peeled back then, and I realized it really wasn't.
And now I think I'm probably a little bit closer to having all those layers peeled off, Um, yeah.
So I, I hate to kind of ramble there, but no, that's really important.
It's, it's critical people to understand that.
Yeah.
And it's one of these things I tell, I mean, much to my surprise, I find myself a middle-aged man with kids, you know, in my mind, I'm still like 25.
But one of the things I always try to tell people is, especially when they're college students and they want to charge the guns and everything else is that, You don't really know what it's like until you've gone through it, and when you get doxxed, it's not even the doxx so much that is what does it, but being in the eye of Sauron, like having hostile media directed on you, having the country sometimes it feels like directed on you, you personally, that experience is very hard to describe unless you've gone through it.
And a lot of people imagine how they would respond to that situation, but they can't really grasp it until they've gone through it, particularly because you know the real story and you know what's going on, but everybody else, I mean, 99% of people are, I mean, until recently, I would say, basically are just going to go on what the media is telling them.
And so that's what everybody's going to think of you.
And having to operate in that kind of a climate, it's a very emotionally trying thing.
And that's why people, people who want to do things under their own name, people who want to be public white advocates or operate even as conservative in this climate, they really need to know what they're doing and know, have that kind of spiritual preparation for what's coming because it's, it's a tough thing and it can't really be described.
It can only be experienced.
Very true.
Very true.
Well, tell me the miraculous story again.
I'm not going to let you off the hook on this.
How did you, how did you come to white identity?
Well, um, you know, how I mentioned earlier, how I was so excited to share all the things I was learning with my friends and peers.
Um, I think that the reason, the reason that I had that, uh, naivety was because that's how I was awakened to this worldview.
It was simply a friend who I didn't see very often.
I saw them a few times a year.
And we were all having one of those visits and they kind of just dropped the red pill.
She was a female friend.
She just kind of dropped the red pill very abruptly, very abruptly.
And about essentially her, what she was learning about waking up to white identity and the idea of Displacement, replacement, the migrant crisis that was, you know, well obviously ongoing.
Everybody forgets what was going on, yeah, but when it started in Europe and everything else after Gaddafi fell and everything, yeah.
It's really hard, it's hard to remember that, but I mean do you remember like what even institutions like Breitbart were publishing in like 2015?
I mean that, and the attacks in Cologne, I mean it was just this, I mean it really felt like an invasion.
It was an invasion.
And I don't know, it's, in a way, movement conservatism has, it's like the voices that are speaking out are better, but so many of the institutions that were talking about that stuff then just have shut up about it, even though it's still ongoing.
But back then, it felt like the most important thing in the world to everybody who was center-right.
Oh, yeah.
And I will tell you, my grandmother, she was the woman who loved to tell stories.
She was a very intelligent woman.
She actually graduated high school at age 15.
And her parents, you know, wanted her to wait to go to college for at least stay home for a year, they said, because she was so young.
And I miss her.
She died a long time ago.
But man, I wish I could have her back for one day to tell the stories because that woman had so much pride For our European heritage.
She used to love to tell how our ancestors came over from Denmark and Sweden and England and Germany and would tell me stories about them all the time.
And I think that that was definitely a large part of how I was able to, uh, come out of the stupor or, or whatever else you want to call it.
Take the wool off from my eyes of, of leftism and liberalism and Kind of interlaced with anarchism.
I don't really like to choose a label of what I once was because I was kind of a mixture of things.
I still had some traditional values, which I could get to a little bit more in a moment, but essentially I'd like to thank my grandmother because her love of Europe has always stuck with me.
And so when I was kind of awakening to this sort of stuff and seeing what was happening to these European countries who, you know, I was just like, this is crazy.
I mean, I thought Sweden was this peaceful country and then learning about no-go zones and the rape rate skyrocketed.
Grenade attacks and all the rest of it.
Yeah.
And, um, and so, so yeah, as far as the miraculous story goes, it was, it was simply that.
And, um, these, these friends introduced us to, um, you know, red ice and American Renaissance countercurrents and some other resources, uh, materials, books, documentaries, and, I was just, I guess I was curious, and I wanted to dig more into it.
And so my husband and I did.
And it was so mind-blowing that we kind of binged on the information.
I mean, we were just, we couldn't get enough of it.
We wanted to learn about everything.
You know, what about South Africa?
What's going on with that?
And we learned about the truth about what was going on, you know, the other side of the story of apartheid.
Um, and the farm attacks, the farm murders, and then just the frustration at having, finding out that there was all of this information out there that had been intentionally suppressed.
Yeah.
Um, I would say that was just a huge, a huge part for me too, was saying, well, why, why, why aren't we allowed to examine all sides of a story and, and make observations and come to an objective conclusion?
And, um, and so that angered me.
I think that there was a little bit of a, There's always been kind of a little bit of a fiery independent spirit in me, and that made me mad.
I was like, why have I gone this far in my life and not learned about some of these things, not learned about some of these truths?
So I consider it miraculous simply because at the time I was very much pretty deeply steeped in this kind of feminist, anarchist, liberal stuff.
But I didn't go to college, so I didn't get the ultimate indoctrination.
But I certainly was a public school kid, and I had friends and peers who were into that stuff.
So I suppose another part of it was that those convictions were never really deeply held.
And so for them to be cleansed away was not that difficult.
And I think I started to realize that too as our eldest son was coming into school age, because my husband and I both started to realize that We had a lot of differences with some of these other parents that we had been hanging out with at the time, and just in how we wanted to raise our child.
Yeah, things get real in an awful hurry once you have kids.
A lot of the things that you could sort of idly entertain suddenly become very serious.
Yeah, yep, that's exactly right.
It's interesting that you bring up your grandmother and this idea of ties to Europe because, I mean, the biggest problem with Americans as such, maybe America as such, is just how deracinated the people are.
We're always moving around.
People have this idea of themselves as an individual.
I think that's what's behind a lot of the trends of picking new sexual identities or people pretending to be a race that they're actually not.
You know, the Rachel Dolezals of the world, that kind of thing.
And it's because they have these roots, they have this tradition, but they're either unaware of it Or they're told to be actively ashamed of it, and when you realize that there's actually intent behind it, when you realize that there are actually specific people who are telling you to be ashamed of who you are, and that these things aren't just happening, that this isn't just like the way the world is, that this is being done by design, like that's a tough thing to come to grips with, because
You don't want to believe that.
And it's it's very isolating in some ways, because and you actually it can break people.
And that's why it's tough to come through that and still stay grounded, because you have to simultaneously absorb all that information, but still be able to operate in the real world, which is, you know, one of the toughest challenges I think white advocates have.
Especially in a world that seems to be getting crazier every day.
It is true.
It is true.
And, you know, it's an unfortunate thing.
And I hate to even talk about anything negative because I always want to encourage people to be brave and be strong and face, you know, be true.
Live in truth.
You know, don't hide yourself away and pretend to be someone you're not.
But it's true.
It's difficult.
And there were some difficult times where we lost social circles that at one point in time we held fairly valuable, you know, such as homeschool playgroups.
And, you know, I remember going on some campouts with homeschool groups, and those are all people who are essentially enemies of ours now.
Many of them were very outspoken in trying to get our farmer's market business canceled and this sort of thing.
And, you know, it's not been easy.
I remember right after we got doxed, we had been planning, I had been planning to go to an event at the local public library for children, and there was a puppet show or something like that.
A couple local mom friends said, are you going to go?
Are you actually going to go show your face there?
And I defiantly said, well, absolutely, I am.
And I marched myself and my kids down there.
And we walked right up and sat right in one of the front rows.
And it was difficult.
But I can't imagine it any other way.
As much as it felt like a loss at the time, losing some of those old homeschool friends, Like you said before, you just adapt, and you meet new people.
Maybe you have to drive a little bit further to meet up with like-minded families and friends, but they are out there.
There's many of us out there, and there's so many different ways we can build community.
And maybe it's not right next door, but the community does exist.
And I mean, those are just some of the challenges that we faced.
And when I think about it, how much of a loss was it really?
I mean, one of these play groups was You know, some of the moms were starting to try to transition their kids, and like back then, it was kind of a new thing.
I don't think that back in 20-whatever that year was, 2017, 2018, I think that that whole transgender thing with the children has really blown up in the past few years, but it was like I was starting to kind of pick up on it.
It's like, oh, I'm glad we're not a part of that group anymore, you know?
Yeah.
I don't want my kids exposed to that stuff.
Yeah, it's one of the things that is Necessary I guess for people to understand is that you may lose some people but if people are going to dump you over something like that I mean, how good a friend were they really and the friends that you keep I mean, it's a bond that's like forged in steel, you know, I mean, it's not something that can be broken because It's it's tempered by the fires of what you're going through but more than that even
Beyond any heroic talk about, you know, there are people out there and there are comrades and everything else.
I don't mean to cheapen it, that's all true, but if you look at normal Americans and you just look at the rates of depression, if you look at the amount of people who say they literally have no friends or just one close friend, the quiet desperation that, you know, normies, quote unquote, feel, I think the default American life What you're offered just isn't that good?
Like it's not worth being a part of the so-called mainstream anymore and maybe in some ways the mainstream doesn't even really exist because One of the weird ways that I think a lot of our opponents Have power is because they're and I'm not just pulling this out of a hat here.
I mean if you just look at the data They are objectively more unhappy.
They're more depressed.
They're driven by a sense of grievance.
They're driven by a sense of resentment And that makes them politically dangerous because they're almost like religious zealots in that way.
But at the end of the day, what do they really have?
And of course they're constantly excommunicating each other the same way that they go after people like us.
Yes, it's very true.
The suicide rates are extremely high.
Among our people, among a lot of people.
And yeah, the dependence on pharmaceuticals is just outrageous.
And like you were mentioning earlier, just the lack of quality in the food people are eating.
I mean, a lot of these things are contributing to a decline.
And yeah, that's not something I want to be a part of.
And I'm perfectly okay with our family, you know, not fitting in to that aspect of modernism.
Like I said, I can't imagine it any other way.
I can't imagine not living in truth.
And that's just, I suppose, what I would want to encourage other people to experience as well.
Yeah.
And I think it is important for people to understand that if you end up going through something like this, you do end up on the other end with the best friends you're ever going to have.
And there does seem to be I would say there's certainly more people around now than there were in, say, 2019.
Maybe not as many as there were in 2015, but 2015, it was very easy, right?
You didn't really have to, there was no real pushback.
And maybe there are actually more people now, but more importantly, the people who are involved now are more dedicated.
They're not going anywhere.
And the people who are coming into this now Know what they're in for, which is tremendously encouraging, because if you get involved in white advocacy in 2022, you can have no illusions about what you could possibly face.
But new people are still coming in all the time, which I find incredible.
And again, people are willing to travel.
And as you say, Not necessarily living next door to each other.
In some cases, I've actually seen that happen, where people will specifically migrate and go to a specific area to say, no, we are going to build a community here in defiance of the outside world.
And I think that trend is only going to grow as American society, just normal American society, becomes more difficult to operate in.
COVID was certainly a catastrophe, I think, for ordinary Americans in terms of sending their kids to public schools, putting off doctor's appointments because you couldn't go
to the doctors anymore, the businesses, the small businesses that were shut down, the crime rates
which haven't come down, the decline of the urban centers. I mean, a lot of the
things that normal Americans could once take for granted are just gone
now. And so I don't feel like we've lost anything by turning our back on that. No, I would
completely agree. And, you know, you mentioned how some people are uprooting and moving next
door to each other.
That's something that I would strongly encourage.
I know that that's happening, and I think everyone should be trying to get themselves in a position where if they can strategically relocate to live near like-minded people or families, then they should.
And that's only going to become more important.
That would be an ideal situation.
Yeah, I understand that's a very tough thing for a lot of people to do, but for you guys who are just starting out, Or for those of you who are just getting married and thinking of a place to live, one of the bright sides of COVID is that it has allowed a lot more remote working in some cases.
So you don't necessarily have to be as tied to a certain geographic area, at least in some careers.
So that is something you can take advantage of in some cases.
Let's come back to the business element of this a little bit.
It's not just coffee, right?
I mean, you're also, I believe it was like stoneware that you're also selling and some other things like that.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well, we had some requests for merch, you know, and so we're thinking coffee mugs and t-shirts.
And we kind of looked at the options and we're like, you know, this kind of feels dirty to have t-shirts and mugs printed by some company that Probably in China or not owned by our people.
It just feels completely antithetical to what we're trying to do here.
And so we kind of, uh, well, we, we knew a t-shirt gal, so, uh, we reached out to her again.
She had done some shirts for us back when we had the farm and she said, yeah, I'll do shirts for you again.
So she is doing our t-shirts and then we put a call out for somebody who could do ceramics or pottery to do mugs.
And actually had someone who I had been kind of acquainted with for several years, but had no idea that she did pottery and ceramics.
So she reached out and said, Hey, I think I could do your mugs.
She was amazing to work with.
She came up with just the most beautiful mugs, honestly, that I've ever laid my eyes or hands on.
And they're 100% handmade and, um, you know, she's signed the bottom of them.
I mean, she's firing them in the kiln and glazing them and everything by hand.
So these are people who, uh, share our, our worldview, you know, in, in pretty much all ways, most ways, always, I should say.
And it feels really amazing to be able to collaborate with other people.
And, you know, like you were saying earlier, there's so many small businesses popping up in, in our thing.
And this is a great example.
Of how now it's like we've got three different small businesses represented on our website, and to be able to order products from them to sell for our coffee business has been an honor and a privilege.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I gotta say, the Stoneware stuff, it's pretty cool.
And I'm still rocking the t-shirt from the farm, so I do still have that.
Awesome!
I mean, it is really cool that at this point, regardless of what you need, with very few exceptions I find, and I think those exceptions will be filled up soon, you really don't have to go outside the network anymore.
I mean, pretty much you can get what you need, and we're not quite at the area where Everything can be provided for inside because that's just a question of geography but again as people geographically concentrate and you see more people deliberately organizing and Saying we're gonna live our lives and not worry so much about what the rest of the world is doing I think a lot of the gaps are getting filled up and it's really a good feeling to spend your money on
I mean, money is power, right?
And money represents time.
It's part of your life.
And to be giving that to people who you know are on your side as opposed to people who hate you is a really good feeling.
And I think that's probably the most important thing people can be doing right now, other than directly donating and direct political activism.
Absolutely.
You know, I will say, um, so Laura Teller's tea, which is out of the UK, I'm sure your listeners are probably familiar with fantastic tea.
Uh, what I I've been inspired how they, they put some of their pro some of their profits back into activism, uh, materials for patriotic alternative.
And I would love for our business to get to a point where, you know, we're able to give back in that way too, to some of the startups and some of the.
Um, other activism and stuff like that that's going on in the United States.
And so that's just another reason why, like you said, it's, it's so amazing that we can do everything within the network.
And there's so many other niches to be filled, even just with small businesses.
There's been so much talk lately about how we're having a baby boom and how somebody could probably start a really awesome business making like, um, little wooden children's toys, baby blankets, baby clothing, things like that.
So people could buy from.
You know, one of our own when our friends are having children, that sort of thing.
So, I mean, there's numerous other small businesses that we've thrown around, and the more the better.
Yeah, absolutely.
And especially, as you point out, not just with children's toys, but also homeschooling and everything like that.
I mean, that's been, again, one of the better side effects of COVID-19 is that homeschooling has really taken off.
I remember right before it became a thing, I was going to write an article on American Renaissance about how they were going to come for homeschooling and try to shut it down because, and they actually were going to have a conference at Harvard, and the person who was going to speak there was basically going to try to shut it down on the grounds that people were basically learning the wrong things.
They weren't being able to indoctrinate these people anymore.
But then, of course, the conference got canceled because of COVID-19.
And homeschooling has shot up and in something that is definitely good for us.
It's actually shot up the most among blacks and liberals are turning to it as well.
And that's good because that makes it politically safer.
It's something that it's sort of like gun rights.
It's something that we can take advantage of and that we want, but It's not just us fighting this battle.
It's something where we actually, these people may not like us, but they're going to be allied on this one thing.
And so there's not as much danger that it's going to be taken away anytime soon.
And I feel like homeschooling and as you point out, I swear there's some sort of like spirit that like unites everybody.
Cause as you say, everybody seems to be having kids right now.
It's crazy.
I know like six people who've had a baby like the last like three months.
I know, I know, and I think I know six more that are pregnant and, you know, like six more that are married and are wanting kids.
It's just great.
It is great.
Well, that's a good point.
That's interesting about these statistics with non-whites and white liberals increasing the homeschooling.
I did not, I didn't really consider that.
I guess this, the one thing that comes to my mind though that does work me a little bit about that is that those two demographics
tend to be much more open to a heavier regulation
So I think that would definitely be something we need to keep our eye on because sometimes there be a Trojan horse
with that sort of Thing but yeah, that's true on the on the face on the face.
That sounds great though, and that sounds very encouraging One of the things that we do have I mean a lot of times I
am accused some justification
again, you know, I'm a The reason I instantly recognized some of the themes you
were talking about is again Because I'm a big Evela guy and Evela did not have a lot of
nice things to say about America But one of the things that we Americans do have.
is we really do have a lot more freedom at the local and state level to do things, and we do have a lot more independence and a lot more possibilities of being politically effective than I think a lot of our European friends do.
I think we envy the Europeans sometimes because most of these countries have a nationalist political party, usually one that's represented in Parliament, Usually because they have a parliamentary system that makes it easier to have some seats in the legislature, but it actually does make a difference having local and state governments where you can push through things that you can work with.
It may not be everything that we want, but it's something we can live with.
And that's where I think the change in the conservative movement over the last two, three years, Has been dramatic.
I mean, if you had, when I was working in DC, if you had told me that people would be talking like this back in, you know, 2014, I just flat out wouldn't have believed you.
But in a way where we're almost in a bit of a crisis, I think that American Renaissance, especially because a lot of our talking points have just become standard conservative rhetoric.
I mean, Everybody knows that, yeah, mass immigration is being used to replace the existing population and it's a political tactic.
Yeah, everybody knows that there are double standards when it comes to race.
Yeah, everybody knows that if you say the wrong thing on social media, big business will censor you and big business donates to Black Lives Matter.
It doesn't support conservatives like some Marxist caricature.
And so, in a weird way, I mean, again, I guess it's a nice problem to have in that we actually have to keep up with how the base is starting to come around to our way of thinking on a lot of these things.
It's definitely hopeful.
Have any of the people who have, no, no, I didn't mean to cut you off, but have any of the people who maybe were a little Backing off during the the farm days and everything else as
any of them come crawling back over the last couple years even quietly
And said like yeah, you are right or yeah Maybe you had you had something to it after seeing what had
happened to 2020 Well
For the most part I think that a lot of the people the majority of the people
who were going so hard against us in the college town and and locally have
Maintained their stance against us and but that is just simply because those those are the types of people who just
probably can't ever be Changed yeah, I'm talking. Yeah, they're definitely already
gone however, I will say that there were a few people who we had
known years ago who considered themselves
kind of like libertarians or
Or kind of maybe anarchist, but not, I don't know, not that I condone anarchism, but... Kind of like the free market anarchism of like, yeah, we all went through that phase at one point.
Yeah, and a couple of them did actually reach out with all the crazy vaccine and COVID stuff.
Yeah, yeah, that definitely pushed a lot of people.
It was almost as if they needed somebody to talk to, Uh, because, and when I think about it, I thought, oh my gosh, I mean, they really can't talk to anybody.
I mean, these people are like surrounded, you know?
And, um, and so we had, you know, some good connections there, but for the most part, uh, no, I mean, it was, it was a very black and white division between either, uh, we support, uh, Schooner Creek Farm and their right to exist or like we don't.
So there wasn't a lot of gray area there, but.
With the mainstream conservatives and stuff kind of coming our way, as you were talking about, I think that like that big obstacle that a lot of them still have to overcome is the myth of multiculturalism.
So I'm just like, okay, let's hope that they all go and read Wide Identity by Jared Taylor about, you know, and learn how multiculturalism just doesn't work.
Because that's a big problem.
Yeah.
I think that they, the left has, I remember the ADL had a thing on its website where they, they changed the definition of racism something like two or three times over the course of three days because, you know, they, first they were saying like, well, it's when you think one group is better than another or something else, but then you started running into all this stuff about white privilege and everything else.
And I think that People, like white advocates, know that, say, Martin Luther King never actually believed in colorblind America.
He supported affirmative action then.
Had he not been killed, he would support affirmative action now.
But that ideal is still very powerful to a lot of white Americans, especially older Americans.
But now the left has defined colorblindness as the essence of racism itself.
So now You're telling people that treating people equally, regardless of the race, is actually what makes you a racist.
And that stance, you just can't square it with what people have been told over the last 40 years.
I never underestimate the capability of leftists to live with cognitive dissonance.
I do think a lot of conservatives are starting to see through this and saying, well wait a minute, this really does seem to be just a scam because no matter what we do, we get called racist.
If we treat people equally, we're racist.
If we see race, we're also racist.
If we move into a place, it's gentrification and that's racist.
If we leave a place, that's white flight and we're racist.
And at a certain point, you just kind of throw your hands up in the air and say, well, you know, I just give up.
And why should I pay attention to this anymore?
I mean, that was long story short.
That's how I was, quote unquote, radicalized, not so much through a dedicated program of ideology, but simply by getting a normal liberal education and sort of seeing through all the double standards and getting sick of it.
And I think a lot of I think a lot of white people are moving in our direction just for that reason.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's almost as though... I think of some of these older conservatives that I know in my local community and, you know, they've been all fine and dandy when it was like, we're all equal.
But then, you remember Kamala Harris, like, one of her commercials that came out during the election era?
The equity one.
The equity commercial where they were like, no, actually, being equal is not enough.
You have to lift up the non-whites and do everything you can to put yourself beneath them.
Otherwise, you know, you're racist.
So I think that's definitely been a turnoff to people.
But I think that what we have to do is make sure that people don't just stop throwing their hands up in the air and saying, I give up, that they have a landing spot where they can do something about it.
Because, you know, we can do something about it, especially to the older conservatives who have children and grandchildren.
That's got to be an appeal.
We've got to be able to reach these people and say, well, even though you may not be here to witness the full decline that we're facing, you know, your grandchildren are going to be.
I try to tell this to the older people and hopefully get through to them because, you know, there's not going to be any affirmative action for my white sons.
And there's not going to be any affirmative action for for the white youth that are going to be adults here pretty
soon. And they're not, it's going to be like in certain places in South Africa where you know
you cannot get hired. It already is this way in a lot of places. It's not like it's something in the
future that's going to happen.
It already is happening where they're not hiring white people or anybody based on merit and they're
filling diversity quotas. It's just insane. Yeah, I mean they're telling us to our face what they
intend to do and it's not like we don't know how this movie ends. So I mean it's just a question
of getting people to recognize that like you actually do have to do something about it.
This isn't something that you're going to be allowed to ignore.
And maybe that's the one big mistake that the left has made is, you know, sort of like Sun Tzu, Art of War, you have to leave the enemy a way to escape.
And the left just isn't giving anyone a way out.
And I have to believe that when enough white people's backs are up against the wall, as I think a lot of them are now, they are going to act in their own collective self-defense and out of a sense of at
least some pride and self-worth.
And as far as the ones who are already gone, I mean, I figure they're already gone. And if they're
willing to go along with a lot of the craziness that's being preached now, they'll just believe
whatever they're told to believe. And I don't think those people are having a baby boom,
Let's put it that way.
Yeah, that is true.
That is true.
And it's hard, it's a hard pill to swallow.
But unfortunately, I remember reading something years ago, I'm sure you're more familiar with this concept than I, but it's something about how only around 30% or so of a given population is even capable of like, objective thought and of ruling and of coming to, you know, conclusions and controlling things.
And that the rest of the population is just simply always going to follow whoever's leading.
And whoever said, you know, and I feel that that's kind of relevant when I think about some of these long lost liberal peers of mine.
And I'm just like, my gosh, how can they still be living in that?
And after everything that's happened, you know, it just, I don't know.
Well, it's simultaneously encouraging and discouraging.
I mean, it's discouraging in the sense that, I mean, it's depressing to think of people who Fundamentally are incapable of coming to rational conclusions.
But on the other hand, it's also encouraging because given different messaging, they would be on our side.
And I think that the amount of propaganda and the, as we've seen over the last couple of years, and as you've personally experienced, it's gone beyond propaganda.
It's now just naked force that they have to rely on to keep the whole facade going.
And If things, if that force is taken away, the fact that the iron underneath the velvet glove has been revealed over the last six years, I find that tremendously encouraging because when all they have left is naked force, that suggests that if that's taken away, if all we're given is freedom to operate, we win.
And I think that's one of the advantages that we have is that when we say free speech, we're not just being clever or saying, oh, we want free speech because we're not in power.
I think, If you have something even resembling a level playing field or even just access, we win every single time.
I mean, to me, that was the big lesson of 2016, is that for the one moment where ordinary people were actually able to communicate their views freely, everybody, I mean, let's face it, American Renaissance were the moderates in that discussion.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, let's close with talking about the business.
Where can people go to support Above Time?
What can they expect to find?
What are some of the things you've got coming up?
And are there any other groups that you want to promote or businesses that you want to talk about?
Well, so we have a website.
It's www.AboveTimeCoffee.com.
And there, people can find our shop.
We've got several different kinds of coffee that we roast.
We've got a nice, really nice, dark roast.
We've got the house blend, which is similar to a mocha java.
We are currently offering two different kinds of decaf.
That is water-processed decaf, so it's not processed with chemicals to remove the caffeine.
And then, of course, we have t-shirts, which are, as I talked about earlier, hand-printed here in the USA by a like-minded person.
The stoneware mugs are Uh, we have a limited amount of those, so people can kind of just stay tuned for, for when they become available.
And, uh, we are occasionally attending, uh, conferences and events.
So you may see us at, uh, an upcoming conference and yeah, so that's, we're also on social media.
So we're on Twitter and Instagram and are my personal favorite telegram here.
You can find us there as well.
And I, unfortunately, our t-shirt maker wants to stay anonymous to protect her identity at this point in time, but, so I can't share her information, but Bloodroot, Bloodroot Pottery, Bloodroot Stoneware is taking custom orders and doing their own business as well, obviously with the ceramics and stuff.
So people should definitely go check out their work.
I believe that they're on Telegram.
I've shared their Their telegram on our telegram channel quite a few times.
People can find them there.
And I mean, I could go on and on about some of my favorite businesses in our thing, but I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind, so I'll probably just leave it at that.
OK, but it is tremendously exciting guys out there.
There really is a whole network springing up.
I've always said that.
White Americans are a stateless people, and if we want to get serious, we have to think of ourselves as a nation unto ourselves, and that we're in a project of nation building, in a sense.
And supporting businesses like this, it may be the most important thing you can do.
So, I know you all drink coffee out there, so I encourage you to get out there, support Above Time Coffee Roasters.
This is Gregory Hood.
Sarah, thank you so much for joining me, and thank you for the courage that you've shown, that your family has shown, in the face of unbelievable opposition.
You guys have been through stuff that nobody has had to deal with, but because of people like you, I have absolute faith that we're going to win in the end.
Well, thank you so much for the opportunity to come on and talk about our family business.
I really can't thank you enough, and thank you to your Listeners as well, and I love that you're ending this on a positive note, so.
Absolutely.
Hail the boat!
That's right!
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