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March 29, 2022 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Jared Taylor Interviews Laura Loomer
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to a special edition of Radio Renaissance.
I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and with me is a guest I'm sure you will all find delightful, Laura Loomer.
Laura Loomer is a determined conservative activist who has pulled off a number of really tremendous capers.
I would say probably my favorite was when she and several illegal immigrants she'd befriended hopped the fence that surrounds Nancy Pelosi's mansion and applied, so to speak, for asylum.
This was after Nancy had criticized Donald Trump for wanting to build a wall and claiming that everyone was welcome in America.
Well, by that standard, of course, Miss Loomer and her amigos should have been welcome on her side of the wall, but as I say, this is just one of her bold attention-getting moves.
Now, our guest has a more serious side as well.
She ran for Congress in 2020 in Donald Trump's home district in Florida and is in the midst of a hot primary campaign in another Florida district with possibly a good chance of going to Washington in January 2023 as Congresswoman Loomer.
She's also the author of a recently published book with the title, Loomer'd, which is full of great stuff about her life and adventures.
And I would say, although Miss Loomer, I believe, is not yet 30, she's certainly had enough adventures for several ordinary lives, but her life is far from ordinary.
And it's precisely because of these adventures and because she is a tireless tormentor of hypocrites and leftist bootlickers and America haters, That she has been, in her words, digitally exterminated.
That's to say, booted from just about every social media platform and app known to man or beast.
And so, thank you very much, Ms.
Loomer, for taking the time to join us today.
Well, thanks for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here with you.
Well, great.
First, I was pleasantly surprised by your book.
Now, I don't mean to insult you by that, but often people who are political activists really don't know how to write, but you clearly do.
It was very enjoyable.
I learned all sorts of things I had never known before, not just about you, but about public events.
And I enjoyed the way you write and the conclusions you draw.
So congratulations.
So first of all, I suppose I should ask, how does one acquire a copy of this book?
Thank you for taking the time to read it.
It's called LUMERD, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World, and people can get it online at various online retailers, including Barnes & Noble and Amazon.
Amazon has not banned it yet, but Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Books a Million, and people can also inquire for signed copies as well by emailing me on my website.
Wow, so Amazon hasn't banned it.
Gosh.
In that respect, you are less digitally exterminated than I am.
Yeah, you know, I'm shocked that they haven't banned the book yet because you and Tommy Robinson and several others I know You know, I've had their books banned from Amazon.
And when I was doing the pre-orders for my book, I was directing people to Barnes & Noble because I didn't want to have a bunch of pre-orders on Amazon only for Amazon to pull the rug from underneath me right before my book came out.
And so I usually tell people to go to Barnes & Noble or, you know, Books A Million.
There's a lot of other places that are selling it as well.
But if people insist on going to Amazon, I'm surprised.
I'm honestly shocked that it's still up.
But maybe it would be an oxymoron because of the title of the book.
They'd be just making my point for me.
Oh, I don't think that would bother them at all.
I think they'd be delighted.
They'd be delighted to make your point.
Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed.
A long may it last.
When my books were all booted off Amazon, it was a tremendous hit.
We scramble for little niches here and there to sell books online, but being off Amazon is really, really a bother, of course.
It's just one more example of what you talk about, just the tremendous power that a few billionaires out in Silicon Valley have over us.
But that seems to be... Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, I agree, and that's why I don't direct people to Amazon most of the time, because I don't, I mean, with the sales so far, a lot of them have been just private sales.
I don't think that I've really sold that many on Amazon, maybe because a lot of people don't want to use Amazon, or I understand that they censor the title of my book, and, you know, they wouldn't allow it to be on the front page of books about censorship, and some people have reported that their reviews of my book have been deleted off Amazon.
But, you know, at least there's other vendors as well.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's great.
And well, it seems that you were inspired to write this book by this this horrible digital extermination that you were subject to.
Can you tell me a little bit more about the the circumstances behind writing it and what you hope to achieve with it?
And so so the book is an autobiography, but it also is It's really a manifesto about cancel culture and a historical documentation of how we got to this point with digital extermination, as I refer to it in my book, and cancel culture and big tech tyranny and, you know, these really sinister elements of big tech election interference that the entire world got a dose of in 2020 with the theft of the presidential election.
as well as many other races, including my own.
And so, this has really been an issue that I've been at the forefront of
and people like yourself and a few others have been at the forefront of more so
than I would say anybody else in this modern age I know that cancel culture has become the new buzzword and the new talking point for some Republicans, and especially after the deplatforming of President Donald Trump.
But this has really been the lifestyle of, you know, what they call far-right extremists or white supremacists or, you know, just your, you know, everyday right-wing conservative thinking.
Intellectuals, activists, political commentators who had a large following.
That's what they've decided to call all of us, you and myself included.
And so I've really been experiencing the deplatformed lifestyle since 2017, which is when all of these bans really began for me, you know, beginning with the bans from Uber and Lyft and then, you know, progressively after that each year, You know, it felt like it just was a domino effect with all of the various social media bands, you know, my bank account with Chase Bank, PayPal, Venmo, GoFundMe, Twitter, Instagram, you know, you name it.
I just, the list goes on and on and on.
We'd be here all day if I mentioned every place I was banned from.
And so I wanted to tell my story and, you know, write this book about Cancel culture from the perspective of somebody who has actually lived the life of being deplatformed because
You know, I always laugh, and I'm sure you do too, when I see people who have no experience or no authority on subject matters going on Fox News or Newsmax or any of these other conservative networks to talk about things that they claim to be experts in.
Well, you know, how can you really be an expert in cancel culture if you've never been banned, right?
How can you be an expert in tech censorship if you've never been silenced or debanked?
be an expert or have any valid opinion in anti-white hatred when you yourself are not
white.
This can relate to my field of expertise or your field of expertise.
It's very laughable and almost insulting how the media goes about picking their so-called
experts on the subjects, people who really don't know anything.
And I wanted to write a book that was actually credible.
Well, it is credible.
As I say, I read it with great pleasure, and I found it edifying as well as pleasurable and stimulating.
But yes, I recall feeling your same sentiments when Donald Trump had a White House conference on deplatforming, and not one of the people that he invited to speak had been deplatformed.
So even those who are allegedly on our side, Really are not doing anything more than sticking their toe into these these frigid waters.
It's really just an awful state of affairs You know, you'll you'll see in my book when you for anyone who reads my book that I discussed that you know I talked about how I support President Trump and I voted for him twice but the biggest failure of his presidency was failing to address big tech social media censorship and And when the White House decided to kind of give a nod to talking about censorship when it became such an outrageous national talking point, when Facebook designated myself and, you know, several others, including Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McGinnis and Milo Yiannopoulos as dangerous individuals, and then said that it was okay for people to murder us because they called us dangerous individuals.
They had a White House briefing or White House meeting about big tech and they basically just chose to invite, you know, all of the Turning Point USA influencers and not a single person who was actually censored.
So, you know, it's a problem.
Yes, yes.
I remember at one point Donald Trump was saying, OK, so you get cancelled?
Well, you just have to be better.
I guess your message has to be more powerful despite being cancelled.
But one of the things in your book that really struck me, of course, I've been kicked off of just about everything it's possible to be kicked off of, but it seems to have affected you psychologically more than me.
And I was wondering about that.
You write about the really extraordinary pain that it caused you.
Now, being kicked off of, you know, I have 130,000 followers on YouTube and all that Poof!
Gone!
In a puff of smoke!
It's infuriating!
But I thought to myself, you know, probably someone like you, you have had this kind of social media existence for a much larger part of your life than I have.
I mean, I dipped into it when it became possible, I got kicked out of it, and I sort of go back to my previous life.
But for someone of your generation, It really has been something that is probably larger and more consuming, a more integral part of the way you made a living, the way you saw yourself, and less so for me, but I was really rather touched by your account of how dramatically it affected you psychologically and personally.
Yeah, you know, it's difficult because, you know, there is a generational difference between you and I, and I wrote this, you know, I decided to be very open and transparent and raw with how it feels emotionally to be deplatformed, especially, you know, at 28 years old and having lived this for the last five years, really being digitally exterminated since I was 23.
And, you know, a lot of people in other generations, they may not, Think much of it, right?
Because, you know, for you, you're, you're in the same boat.
And so you have a better understanding than probably most in your generation.
And I don't know how old you are exactly, but people in your generation did not grow up with social media.
They didn't grow up with cell phones.
They didn't grow up with the internet.
They didn't grow up with every aspect of their life from email to communication or They say there's an app for everything, food delivery, you name it, right?
Every aspect of your life, driving is now tied to an app or having access to the internet and social media.
Your social life, joining groups and the way people gather in communities and the way they conduct business, it's all online now.
And I was really, you know, of the internet generation.
And so every aspect of my life revolved around the internet.
And when I was cut off, I was cut off from my peers, right?
I was cut off from my peers and I was cut off from really participating in society.
Yes, that came across very, very vividly.
And it's something that certainly struck me.
As I say, my reaction was one of just fury, really, that these people could just on a
whimsy decide that my arguments were just so loathsome and such a threat to society
apparently that they could just muzzle me the way they did.
And of course the excuses they offer.
I was affiliated with a violent terrorist group.
What was that?
What group was that?
Was my organization American Renaissance a violent terrorist group or was I somehow affiliated
with one?
Complete, utter nonsense.
Where do they even get this stuff?
But anyway.
Thank you.
And they don't only just ostracize you and isolate you, which is, you know, contrary
and totally unnatural for how humans are, you know, are supposed to interact with each
You know, it's not natural to be isolated.
It's not natural.
It's one thing to say you want alone time or personal space or your home body, but it goes against evolution and it goes against.
Yes.
human nature to be completely isolated and cut off.
And we saw this with COVID.
And so when people were talking about quarantining and oh, it's so awful, I hate being cut off from the world.
Well, I felt like I've been quarantining for the last five years of my life.
You know, it's felt like a five year quarantine from the rest of the world, the rest of civilization.
And so it gives you anxiety.
It gives you depression.
And, you know, I think that, uh, I also highlight the fact that because I was so consumed with using big tech, just like most people are, and we're on our phones all the time.
And in this day and age, you have to constantly, you know, be on social media if you're a journalist, like I am.
Um, and so that was my profession.
I was addicted to social media.
And I don't have a problem saying that openly because these social media companies,
as I discuss and I write about in my book, were designed and they actually had psychologists
and sociologists and various specialists who specialize in targeting addiction
and how human beings become addicted to things.
These are things that they talk about in marketing classes or advertising classes.
They designed and intentionally designed their products to be as addictive.
To you as possible right to create this rush of adrenaline and endorphins when you get a like or you get a comment or you get a share and so it would be like taking something away right if you have an addiction whether it be social media drugs alcohol if you take.
That substance or that product away from somebody who's addicted cold turkey what do you think that does to that person and so.
I think that that's very dangerous and I would like there to be a bigger, you know, discussion about that in society among our lawmakers about the health risks and kind of the mental health effects that these social media companies are starting to have on society.
And I know that they're finally starting to discuss this with the way that Facebook and Instagram affect children and teenagers and how it's directly tied to teen depression and teen suicide.
But I want us to have a conversation about this.
The, you know, unhealthy, abusive, codependent relationship that Americans now have with social media and big tech companies.
Yes.
What was the name of that Facebook person who came out and complained about all the damage that Facebook was doing, especially to young girls?
But it seemed to me the upshot of all of her congressional testimony, and she flew over to England and testified before Parliament, that all the upshot was really more censorship is what it boiled down to.
But you're talking about something different.
It seems to me just the damage of cutting off all the oxygen to someone's social or political or even professional life, and that's something I'd never thought about before, and your book really brought it to life in this really multidimensional way.
bad it can be. As I say, I'd lived most of my life without any kind of social media,
just sort of went back to doing the things I used to do, despite my fury, as I said,
having a major form of outreach denied to me. But yes, there is a way that these people
worm their ways deeply into our psychology. And you described that really, I thought,
extremely vividly and memorably.
Thank you.
But I was struck, of course, by, well, it's called, I don't know what is quite the right
word for it, activism.
You are certainly an activist, but you have been making large scale stinks for a long time.
You, right at university, you were supposed to deliver the valedictory address, you were supposed to collect a diploma along with your classmates, but you had so infuriated and offended Barry University that not only were you not present for your graduation, you are forever banned from setting foot on campus.
The story of what you did is interesting enough, but it seems to me the story of how you got there is even more interesting.
When I was in college, I had really no political consciousness at all.
I had absolutely nothing that would motivate me, I guess, other than to go to an anti-Vietnam War rally and see if there were any pretty girls attending.
That was about the extent of my political involvement.
But I admire people who came to a sophisticated understanding of the world at an early age and decided to do something about it, because that was not at all my experience.
I didn't get a political consciousness until I was in my mid-30s.
So how do you account for the way your worldview formed so early and turned into such a commitment to setting things right?
You know, I, uh, I'm, I am young, I'm 28 and, uh, my first political memory, uh, really, uh, you know, the first impression I had of politics and political, uh, you know, political discussions was, uh, 9 11.
And I was eight years old when 9 11 happened.
And I just remember, you know, watching it unfold on the television and, uh, my father's from New York and.
My parents were very honest with me.
Some people's parents shield them from the horrors of the world and negativity and the truth because they just want to keep children innocent.
But my parents were very honest and they told me that the Islamic terrorists had flown planes into our World Trade Center and attacked us.
They were, you know, very interested in learning more about this, as many Americans were, and then it consumed our country into the war on terror.
And so for years, I grew up just watching this on TV and consuming, you know, political reports as a child and a teenager.
And then I went to boarding school when I was 12, and I was in boarding school from 12 to 18.
And it was very isolated.
I didn't, you know, have a traditional upbringing in that sense that, you know, I would Wouldn't go out because my school was on a ranch and I had an internet curfew and I didn't have, you know, a TV in my dorm room.
And so I had very controlled, limited information.
And when I did have time or I did have a TV, I would always want to watch the news or educate myself about what was going on.
And so I was very excited when I got to go to college and really branch out because I always wanted to be more
politically involved, but I couldn't in high school. And so I immediately became the president of the
College Republicans. And as I talk about in my book, just experiencing hatred and discrimination and,
you know, resentment, even though I excelled, right?
We talk about merits, and I know that's something that has really kind of disappeared from our society, is an appreciation for merits.
But I thought, naturally, people will like me, people will respect me, and people will be okay with me because I do my work and I work hard and I follow the rules.
But that was not the case.
And I started to quickly see this ulterior motive of these, you know, institutions of higher education that they wanted to kind of break the spirit of conservative students.
They wanted to mold you into their own vision of what you should be and really indoctrinate you.
And I just I resisted.
I resisted against it all throughout college till the point I got expelled.
Well, I think it's remarkable that age eight Even something as traumatic as the 9-11 attacks had that kind of eye-opening effect on you.
At age 8, as far as politics is concerned, I was still sucking my little pink toes.
I was utterly indifferent to all of those things.
I'm ashamed of myself now to look back at how long I was just floating along.
George Orwell describes the way most people live, it's as if they were living inside a whale.
You know, this sort of comfortable, warm place, and the whale swims through the water, and you don't know if there's a storm, you don't know if anything's going on.
I was just inside the whale until, as I say, maybe my late 20s and early 30s.
So, congratulations to you for paying attention to the world at such an early age.
Now, the first place you were expelled from was, was it Holyoke or Sarah Lawrence?
I left Mount Holyoke on my own accord and then I got expelled from Barry University in Miami, but I did attend Mount Holyoke.
I always wanted to go to Dartmouth and I was waitlisted.
And then I went to Holyoke because I thought, well, I'll go to the next most prestigious school on the list.
You know, that was kind of the notion of the real world because I was so isolated as a teenager in the middle of nowhere at my boarding school that I thought, OK, well, I have to basically go to an Ivy League or, you know, a liberal arts university on the East Coast if I want to make it in this world.
You know, and so I attended Mount Holyoke and I quickly saw that it was toxic.
I had a 4.0 GPA and I was, like I said, discriminated against for being conservative and I didn't want to pay $250,000 to basically be told that I was wrong or not welcome because of my political views.
So I transferred once a semester.
I didn't do an entire year before I transferred to Barry.
Right, so it was Barry that expelled you, but then granted you a diploma anyway.
Yeah, because then lawyers got involved and it became a national news story and the university didn't want to face any negative press, so they just gave me my diploma.
Golly.
Well, I must say, as I say, I salute your early consciousness and your willingness to fight for the things that you believed in.
I think it's remarkable, although sometimes now When I hear of the astonishing things going on on college campuses, I like to think that even though I was utterly politically unconscious when I was a college student, other than just sort of breathing in the liberal zeitgeist of the time, I would like to think that even that naive youngster that I was of 1968 to 1973, it took me five years to graduate because I'm a slow learner, but during that period,
If things had been as vicious and horrible as they are now, I would like to think that
I would have reacted against it, but who knows.
But again, I admire people who come to some sort of understanding of reality soon and
also people who get out in the world and do things.
I just sort of stare at a computer screen all day and occasionally I'll give a talk.
But people like you who actually, and the book is full of all of these adventures that you've had, as I said when I introduced you, it's really very impressive the willingness that you have had to confront people.
And I guess in his foreword to your book, James O'Keefe of Project Veritas says, of writing of you.
She isn't wired like other people.
She appears to be functionally immune to fear, to shame, and to embarrassment.
Of course, that doesn't sound like the demure lady like Miss Loomer, I know, but it just proves that you can be many things to many people.
But in any case, I greatly admire people who are willing to get out in the world world and make a stink and really put people on guard.
I think one of the other things, one of the other capers that I thought was particularly good Was when you went to Chelsea Clinton's signing, she was signing a book, and you asked her to make it out to Jennifer Flowers, was it?
Or Juanita Broderick?
Yes, yes.
How did she react?
Well, you know, I was very, I had to be very careful the way I worded it because you know that Bill Clinton isn't Chelsea Clinton's biological father.
And so I said, you know, Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton, you wrote your book, Chelsea, called She Persisted.
I want you to make this book out to a woman I know, a friend I know, who has persisted, even though your parents have, you know, tried to, you know, viciously attack her following Bill Clinton's rape of Juanita Broderick.
Can you make this out to her?
And she was just very embarrassed, her face turned red, and she kind of smiled and was
silent because what are you really going to say?
But she didn't have anything to say.
But this is the thing about the Clintons, right?
They write their books and it's like Hillary Clinton, what happened, right?
Well, we know what happened.
They write their books trying to get this type of emotional reaction from people.
And it's almost like they're making fun of the American people, right?
Knowing that they've gotten away with their crimes, knowing that they've gotten away with their corruption.
And in the case of Bill Clinton, his rape of multiple women.
Yes, it's just extraordinary.
The way they just brazen things out.
I always was appalled by Bill Clinton's capacity to just pretend nothing was happening.
If what had happened to him while he was in office with Monica Lewinsky happened to anybody with, I think, any kind of conscience at all, he would have not dared show his face in public.
But he just seemed to laugh that off as if nothing were happening.
I think the guy's basically, well, who knows?
One shouldn't psychoanalyze people one doesn't know.
But he's basically a sociopath, seems to have no conscience or any kind of consideration of what other people think at all.
But, you know, you say that just to switch gears now to this digital extermination, but there is an even more insidious form of not really digital, but real life form of extermination, which is being debanked.
And you said that Chase Manhattan refused to do business with you for a while and had to be shamed into it by a public relations campaign to give you your account back.
Yeah, you know, this was probably one of the most shocking elements of the censorship.
And even to this day, it's the one that gets the most audible gasps when I give speeches and talk about, you know, deplatforming and censorship when I give my talks.
I was in the middle of a cab.
I was about to go protest at Twitter and I needed to take a cab because I'm banned from Uber and Lyft and I went to pay for the cab and my card was declined and I tried to access it and I went online.
I tried to go online to my online banking to see what was wrong and I couldn't access it.
It said that my account had been suspended and shut down.
And so I was practically stranded with no money because my debit card didn't work and You know, they were doing this to several other right-wing pro-Trump activists as well.
And I guess that this has happened to other people in the past and they were too scared to talk about it.
And so when I went public about what happened, it became a national news story and the New York Post wrote about it.
And then I got a phone call from Dinesh D'Souza, who told me that they actually shut his account down too during the Obama administration and that he was just so freaked out about it that he never went public, you know?
And then all these people started coming out of the woodwork and what did we all have in common?
Well, we were all right-leaning, outspoken, conservative activists or journalists.
And so then Project Veritas, who I used to work for, they did an investigation and they did a hidden camera video and they got to the bottom of it and they got a Chase Bank manager on camera saying that they were instructed to not give bank account access to people who lack morality and moral character.
lacked morality and moral character.
Well, you have more moral character than just about anybody in the United States,
but in your view, in your view, they lack. In their view, you lack it.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And so then we all got a very suspicious phone call from the same woman in the executive office of Chase Bank,
JPMorgan Chase, and they wouldn't admit that our accounts were suspended.
They wouldn't explain why.
She was clearly reading a script.
And, uh, you know, they were told to say that, uh, well, we don't, we, we just wanted to let you know that the account access is there.
And I called, uh, Joe Biggs.
I called Enrique Tarrio.
I called everybody else who this had happened to, and they received the same phone call from this woman.
And, you know, Why would you want to keep your bank in a bank that is going to shut you down at whim and hold your funds hostage because of your political views?
But there's no accountability.
This should be illegal.
They should go to jail for what they did.
But again, we're living in a banana republic and we just have a total erosion of our justice system in this country.
So unfortunately, we'll be more victims.
Yes, fortunately there are a lot of commercial banks out there and if one decides that it
doesn't like the cut of your jib, there's probably another one out there that will like
your money and be happy to take your deposits.
But it's not at all difficult for me to imagine a world in which the SPLC and the control
of the currency get together and say, well, OK, there's a list of institutions and people
that we think should get bank accounts anywhere in the United States.
And the control of the currency writes a letter to all the banks and says, how about it, fellas?
We can't make you refuse to do business with these people, but we would sure make our faces
to smile upon you if you do kick them out.
Exactly what you're doing, as I talk about in my book.
And it's funny because it sounds like a theory, right?
It sounds like you're just coming up with that theory, but it really did happen.
Jamie Duncan, who's the head of JPMorgan Chase after Charlottesville, when I talk about this in my book, he sent over a million dollars to Morris Dee and the SPLC to combat hate.
And this, I was banned from Chase Bank shortly after this.
And so, uh, you know, it's not even a theory or we don't even have to imagine a world in the future because that is what's happening right now.
He is funding SPLC and they are making lists and going to the banks and telling them to shut people down.
I mean, it's, it sounds, uh, it sounds a fantastical.
You know, but it's happening and it's real.
Well, I learned from your book about that million dollar donation of Jamie's to the S.P.L.C.
S.P.L.C.
I hadn't heard about that before.
But imagine imagine just how utterly constrained your life would be if you couldn't even have a bank account.
I mean, one of the great terrors apparently that people who are so-called marginalized Americans have is being unbanked, and apparently the post office is going to start opening bank accounts for people.
It's recognized that this is an absolutely necessary function.
It's, as I say, how would you even get your life going?
How would you even operate without a bank account?
Dissidents can certainly face that.
Banks really should be in that respect to public utilities.
At least we can still make phone calls and still the gas company can't cut off your gas because it doesn't like your politics.
But it is not very difficult to imagine a world in which those things could happen as well.
Well, and, uh, you know, I don't think we're too far off from that right now.
And, uh, I wouldn't be surprised if soon the gas companies, I mean, they, they already did do this, but people don't want to talk about it.
They did this during COVID.
Right.
So they had the, they had a Garcetti who was the mayor of LA at the time during COVID, if you recall, uh, when they had protesting.
Yes.
Right.
in California, these lockdowns and people saying they were gonna keep their businesses open,
Yes.
he said, we've instructed the power companies and the water companies to turn your water
and your electric off if you protest.
So that is a- Yes.
Right.
A distance of protest protected by the First Amendment.
And so we already are living in a country where they are shutting your water and your electric off,
but you know, it's not mainstream news and no one's talking about it,
but we have reached that point.
It's scary.
Yeah.
Well, and I understand, I learned also from your book that you are forbidden by the federal government
even to buy a firearm.
What's this?
I mean, here you are, a young woman, a target of an intense hatred, and you can't buy the obvious tool to defend yourself?
Even I, after all that I've seen and experienced, even I was surprised by that.
And I gather you've had no explanation as to why you are on the no-buy list.
Yeah, you know, this was shocking to me.
I wanted to get a concealed carry permit.
So when I was running for Congress and originally in 2020, and I already had a gun because, you know, I was living in Florida, just like I do now.
And you don't have to register your guns, but I had a gun and I had no problem getting my gun.
It was purchased legally and When I applied for the concealed carry because I wanted to carry because I was getting so many death threats while running for office, it was denied.
And they didn't give me an explanation as to why the concealed carry was denied.
But even then, you can still own a gun without having a concealed carry.
But I was just so concerned about this and being an investigative journalist, I just couldn't let it go.
So I kept on digging into why this was the case and I reapplied.
And I ended up having to take multiple steps in order to find out why it was denied.
And they said, well, we can't give concealed carry permits to people who are in the NICS database.
And I looked up the next database because I had no idea what that was.
No one ever told me I was in the next database.
And being in the next database means you're federally prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm.
And then upon more research, I found out that it's the FBI that controls this list entirely and decides who goes in it.
And so they were trying to entrap me.
The FBI never notified me that I was banned from being able to own a gun.
Yes.
I owned a gun.
And so what would happen if they would have searched my home the way they raided the homes
of other Project Veritas journalists or if they, you know, searched my home after January
6th, like they did to so many Trump supporters?
I'm in jail right now, right?
And so it's really scary to think that the FBI is just stripping, you know, Americans
who don't have a criminal record of their gun rights and trying to literally entrap
them the same way they tried to entrap Roger Stone and General Flynn.
So that is your status now.
If the feds were to discover firearm in your possession, you would instantly become a criminal, probably a felon.
Yeah, because if you are banned from owning a firearm and you have a firearm, that's a felony.
And people who are found to have firearms who aren't supposed to have firearms generally go to prison for four to ten years.
So this is not a no-buy, not merely a no-buy, it is a no-own list.
It's federal prohibition from owning or possessing.
Good grief!
And they don't even let you know about that?
No.
I mean, it's like Nick Fuentes being on the no-fly list for reasons that remain utterly unexplained and obscure.
It's just astonishing that our federal government can do this to us.
I'm not on the no fly list yet, but because I'm in the database, whenever I go to the airport, I'm harassed.
And so they basically take my bags and they open them.
Last time I flew with months and months ago, cause I just try to avoid flying these days.
Uh, they searched my bag and they didn't even close it.
So when it came out of the baggage claim area, the, all my clothes, my underwear, like my bras, my pants, my shirts, my toiletries, my hair straightener on the baggage belt, because they didn't agree.
So that's what they do.
They swipe my hand for gunpowder every time I travel.
It was just so obscene.
They even swipe the inside of my dog's travel container for gunpowder or explosive powder.
And they just make you feel like a terrorist for what?
And this happened ever since January 6th.
I wasn't even in D.C.
on January 6th.
And ever since I've been in this database, I get stopped at the airport.
And what did you call this data?
The NICS?
What is that?
N-I-C-S.
National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
N-I-C-S.
Is it N-I-C?
Yeah.
N-I-C.
NICS.
N-I-C-S.
Wow.
Well, as far as I know, but I guess I would never know, as far as I know, I'm not in that database, but how would one even know?
I mean, you were on this.
You were blackballed, but you had no idea.
I only found out because I inquired.
They didn't even tell me when I had my concealed carry.
So think about this.
If I would have just accepted the fact that I didn't have a concealed carry, you can still own a gun without having a concealed carry.
It just allows you to carry.
So what if I were to have just accepted that and not pushed any further to find out, you know?
And then I would have no idea.
I'd still have a gun and I would never know that I was in this database.
And then what would happen if someone came to my home and searched it and found a gun?
You know, they're entrapping American citizens and there's thousands of other Americans who have been unconstitutionally put inside this list and Congressman Paul Gosar wrote a letter to the FBI and the DOJ on my behalf in which he asked them, why is the FBI trying to entrap Laura Loomer?
You know, of course, happened after my book was published.
And so, you know, I'll have to save that for the next edition.
But but they never they never got back.
They never replied when my lawyers inquired as to why I'm on this database, because we're in an opposition government.
And what is the FBI care?
You know, they're basically just personal hit squad, you know, believe it or not.
I worked for a while for the Department of Transportation, and I was in the Public Relations Department.
And as I used to say to people, my job was to convince the press and the public that the federal government was spending tax dollars wisely, which was always a challenge.
We also were in charge of replying to letters from Congress.
And at that time, this was many years ago, this was in the late 1970s, a letter from Congress got absolute top priority.
And the idea of not replying to a letter from a congressman was absolutely unthinkable.
But these days it seems to happen all the time.
As you say, we have this absolutely partisan government, this deep state as it's called, that just ignores a letter from a congressman.
This would have been utterly, utterly unthinkable because, of course, Congress was seen as the people who held the purse strings of some other branch of government.
And so if you worked for the executive branch and the legislative branch had a question, boy, I mean, we saluted and we got right to work answering their questions.
It's just outrageous that that kind of inquiry can be denied.
And Congressman Gosar wrote, he wrote the letter on my behalf for the, you know, the FBI banning my gun rights.
He wrote another letter about Uh, Nick Fuentes, uh, you know, being on the no fly list.
And from my understanding, they never got back, uh, to the Congressman about that letter as well.
So they don't want to answer.
The federal government doesn't want to tell members of Congress why they're putting, uh, you know, Americans like myself and Nick Fuentes, who don't have criminal records on, on, uh, you know, the no fly list in his case or, uh, the no gun list in my case, you know, and, uh, that's, that should alarm every American.
It is alarming.
It is absolutely alarming.
It makes me wonder what my status is.
I've never heard from the FBI about this.
In the eyes of some, I'm sure I am equally evil to you, perhaps even more so.
It reminds me of the fact that when I was banned from the 27 nations in the Schengen Group in Europe, nobody told me, and I showed up at Zurich Airport, and I was put on the next plane home.
Nobody told me I wasn't allowed in, and it was a three-year ban, but they didn't bother telling me.
Who knows what Damocles swords are out there hanging over all of us these days.
But, well, again, I learned all sorts of interesting facts from your book, for example, the fact that Harvard got a $9 million payment protection loan from the federal government during COVID, a paycheck protection, a PPP loan.
How nice, despite their $41 billion endowment.
That was a bit of news that I'd missed.
But thanks to you, now I know.
And I thought it was quite fascinating.
You went to you took a little vacation in El Salvador to write your book where you found yourself free from harassment of any kind.
I think that too is delightful.
I've not spent much.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I said it's and I said it's ironic, you know, because You think of other countries and you think, oh, well, El Salvador must be some third world country where it's infested by MS-13.
Well, it's incredible to hear what the media and how our own country portrays other nations, because I felt safe in El Salvador.
I felt free.
And I have friends there who are very politically connected.
And I met with the country's vice president.
several members of their government and when I was telling them my story and I
speak Spanish they were appalled they couldn't believe it and their question
was what do you not have they don't have free speech in America anymore you know
and so it's embarrassing We're brought up and we're gaslit and we're brainwashed into thinking that we live in the freest country in the world and that the United States of America is a moral authority for what it means to, you know, be the standard bearer for, you know, freedom of expression, free and fair elections and the free market economy.
Well, guess what?
We don't have any of those anymore.
So I don't really understand how we have that global standing as a moral authority.
Yes, yes, it really is quite remarkable.
elected officials or selected officials, since they're now rigging elections, are doing things
that they criticize others in actual third world nations and dictatorships and authoritarian
regimes are doing to their citizens.
Yes, yes, it really, it really is quite remarkable.
And I think more and more people all around the world are beginning to notice the ability
of the United States to cover up all of its terrible warts and scars and crudities is
less and less all the time.
And let the world know.
Let the world see.
I'm all for it.
So, well, I won't talk much more about your book other than to again, I recommend it to our listeners.
It even has photographs of you as a child and with various celebrities, including Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
I've never set foot in Mar-a-Lago.
I have never shaken Donald Trump's hand.
Maybe someday those things will happen.
But yes, the book is called LUMERD by Laura Lumer.
And I found it both entertaining and enlightening.
So congratulations.
This is your first book, I gather, and probably not your last.
It's my first book.
Well, who knows?
Maybe, uh, you know, when, when I'm in Congress, you know, we'll, we'll have to invite you to come testify.
We'll have to come invite you to testify against, uh, you know, um, um, I guess there's many things we could testify about.
We could test it.
You could testify about this invasion that's happening on our Southern border and the goal Washington elites to, uh, erase our history and, um, make, uh, Well, that would be a great pleasure and an honor, Congresswoman.
you know, we'll have to invite you as my personal guest to come testify in Congress.
Well, that would be a great pleasure and an honor, Congresswoman.
So, well, tell us briefly about your earlier race for Congress that was not successful,
before we move on to the one that you're engaged in now.
So, when I filed originally in District 21, which is President Trump's home district
in Florida 21, Palm Beach County, And I was the first D platform candidate ever
And the Republicans and Democrats mocked me and they said, oh, well, it's not possible for you to win.
You can't win without social media.
You can't even raise money.
Well, I ended up out-raising and out-performing seven GOP primary opponents, including a Democrat incumbent.
I raised $2.5 million while being totally banned in the middle of a, you know, scandemic.
And ultimately what happened is President Trump endorsed me, he voted for me, and on election day I beat the Democrat incumbent by 22.6% at the polls.
I beat her in early voting by 3.04% and then there were 88,000 mail-in ballots that came in when it showed that I was winning.
And so, you know, it was a successful race, but they stole it, you know, just like Donald Trump's campaign was successful, but they stole it.
And, um, you know, they, they said that, uh, I lost by 20 points, but if you do the math, you'll see that I actually received more votes than any Republican has ever received in Palm Beach County.
And I also outperformed Donald Trump in his own home district by 5%.
Now, so you had to win both the primary and the general election in order to be a congresswoman.
And you did win the primary, correct?
I did win the primary.
And when you look at the numbers, you know, I would say I won the general as well, just like Donald Trump won the general.
But, you know, they manipulated the voting system because of COVID.
And so there was so much fraud with mail-in ballots because they encouraged so many people to
cast ballots and there were fraudulent ballots because There were all these ballots floating around since they
told all of these elderly people who were living in my district
Which was you know, the average age there was you know A senior a senior age a senior demographic that they were
gonna get COVID and die if they voted in person Yes, indeed.
They will stop at nothing.
They will absolutely stop at nothing.
I do have a question, though.
Once you won the Republican primary, did the Republicans rally to you at all, or did they pretend that you just did not exist and were a leper?
They pretended like I didn't exist.
All of the primary opponents in my race performed a PAC the same way that Donald Trump's primary opponents did.
And they refused to recognize me as the nominee and refused to support me publicly.
And so they didn't campaign for me, which is what, you know, that you're supposed to do.
You're supposed to accept the party nominee, or at least they say.
And so, and the GOP establishment, of course, they were silent about the fact that my campaign was censored.
They didn't do anything when Comcast was donating to my opponent who owns stock in Comcast, and then Comcast was blocking people from getting my emails and texts because they had a monopoly on the internet service provider in the district.
And so they allowed for my campaign to be silenced and censored, even though I was the only campaign denied access.
And it was shocking, and I talk about this in my book.
But it prepared me for, you know, the current political landscape because now everyone's going to be censored.
And I at least created the blueprint for running a de-platformed campaign.
And I've switched districts.
I'm now running in Florida 11 in Central Florida.
And this area includes the villages and Lake County, Center County, Citrus County.
And it's about an hour north of Orlando, you know, and I'm running against a rhino in a majority red district.
So once I win the primary, I'm essentially a shoo-in.
Well, this sounds extremely interesting.
Can you describe the district a little bit for me?
What the voters are like, what they want, and what you plan to offer them?
Well, you know, my district is more rural than Palm Beach, and it's a majority white Christian district. And these people are very concerned
with the stolen election and they're very concerned about election integrity. It seems to be the
most important issue here for these Republican voters. These are everyday hardworking
Americans who a lot of them are farmers, a lot of them, they're not elitists, you know.
They don't subscribe to this elitist mentality that Washington has.
It's not a highfalutin district.
The people here are very down-to-earth.
They care about God, they care about their country, and they care about preserving the Constitution.
And so I'm able to be myself in Palm Beach.
You know, I had to appeal to a more independent voting base or a more moderate voting base because it was more liberal there.
But, you know, I'm very right wing.
I'm running a campaign to the right of the current Republican congressman.
And that's what the voters here want.
And, you know, pertaining to, you know, your your background with white advocacy and being a white advocate and, you know, really pioneering Um, pioneering, um, the, the, uh, you know, intellectual, uh, discussion, right around race and, and, and, uh, demographics in this country, uh, Citrus County, which is in my district is also the whitest district in the entire state of Florida too.
And so, uh, these issues of CRT and anti-white racism.
and anti-white hatred, and this anti-American, you know, anti-white Christian mentality
that the Democrats are pushing, right? They're trying to persecute white people. They're trying
to persecute Christians, the most persecuted people in the world. That's on the radar of my
constituency. And I look forward to being their advocate when I win my race and, you know, get
elected as their next congresswoman. Well, that sounds, that does sound very exciting.
Are you able to participate in all of the standard Republican Party events?
I assume as a declared candidate in this primary, do you have debates with your opponent or are they already trying to freeze you out?
Well, my opponent doesn't never show up to any events and he seems to just think that this, you know, that he has this in the bag and he's going to win.
And so from my understanding, there's been several groups that have reached out to try to schedule debates, but his staff have said that they will never debate me.
And so, you know, I don't have that in writing, of course, yet, but that's what has been relayed to me through others who have asked.
Well, I hope that in some of these groups, we'll invite you and him and then you can show up and debate an empty chair.
I suppose that has not happened yet.
Yeah, well, we'll have to see.
And I just I think that they appreciate the fact that I'm willing to touch these third rail issues, you know, and I find it to be, you know, rather sad that our media just wants to silence Uh, you know, conservative Americans, Christian Americans, uh, you know, uh, white Americans, anybody who is pushing back.
And it's not to say that, uh, you know, it's only white people who are pushing back on this, but anybody who, who, who fights to preserve American heritage, American history.
And, uh, you know, the true facts surrounding who our founding fathers were and the true facts surrounding who, um, You know, built this country, who made this country and the true facts surrounding what we are as a country and what we stand for.
They're just shamed as white supremacists and racists and bigots.
And I think that overall, most people here in my district strongly reject those notions and those claims.
And they're looking for a fighter who's going to fight back against this smear campaign.
Well, you are certainly a fighter.
And I hope that you are able to get through to them.
That seems to me to be the great obstacle for people who are dissidents.
You, you have been shut off from all of the usual means of communicating with potential voters.
And so you have to, I suppose, you have to try to meet as many of them as possible in person and go about it in a much more traditional, wear the shoe leather out kind of way.
Yeah, this is a grassroots campaign and, you know, we're not depending on social media and I think that social media has really kind of distorted reality and it's made people think that they're, you know, a lot more important than they really are like some of these, you know, political commentator types who I think that if they post something, right, everyone's just going to follow and that's that.
But, you know, there's people want elections prior to social media and people will continue to win elections without social media because it's the American people who will pick and choose their election winners and losers, not big tech.
And that's what I'm to prove with my election victory.
And we will knock on doors and we will be going to events like I do every day.
And we will be winning this the old fashioned, old school way.
How can our listeners learn more about your campaign?
Do you have a website that they can go to?
People can go to lauralumorforcongress.com.
That's lauralumorforcongress.com.
And that's where you can sign up to volunteer.
People can contribute to my campaign and read more about my policies and positions.
And my email, in case anybody needs to reach me, is just laura at lauralumorforcongress.com.
Well, that's pretty easy to remember.
Laura Loomer for Congress dot com.
Well, yes, you would.
I guess you would be, as you said, the again, the first candidate to win a federal level election without any kind of social media.
That would be in itself rather a breakthrough and epoch making.
But this is what we are up against.
You know, when I was banned from Twitter in January of 2017, I remember reading some of the hype that Twitter was putting out about how wonderful it was and how it was the new public square.
And one of its bragging points was that Twitter has become a way to participate in the political process, that this is how candidates and their constituents can actually engage face-to-face.
In addition to all the other ways in which they were snuffing out my access to the people, they're essentially saying that they are denying me participation in the democratic process.
And when they do that, not only to a mere voter, which is what I was, but to an actual political candidate, and as you know, as they did to the President of the United States, There is just an astonishing level of hubris involved in that kind of decision to shut people up.
And I certainly hope that when you are Congresswoman Loomer, that you will spare no efforts to overturn this extraordinary power that they have absorbed, this ability to shut people up on a whim.
Well, they're, you know, they're arrogant and they have hubris for a reason.
They are literally more powerful than a sitting United States president.
They're more powerful.
Five billionaires in Silicon Valley and in big tech, right?
These big tech executives, people like Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, Charles Sandberg, Sundar Pichai, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates and others.
They are more powerful.
Than any elected official.
They proved that with the fact that the 2020 election, which many of them funded as major Democrat Party mega donors, they deplatformed a sitting president.
They silenced anybody who voiced opposition to exposés about Joe Biden's crackhead son, even though now it's being reported by even the New York Times that the stories pertaining to Hunter Biden's laptop were Yes.
were 100% legitimate and true. And so they curate content for the world's 7 billion people.
And what good are elections anymore if five people with enormous amounts of wealth and power
are more powerful than actual countries, actual elected officials and legislative bodies?
And that's a conversation I hope to take to the floor of the House, since a lot of these
Republicans in Congress don't seem to have the balls to do it themselves.
Well, that will be wonderful.
And this reminds me of something else you wrote about in your book, is Sheryl Sandberg herself, that when you were younger, you read her book, Lean Forward, in which she encourages women to speak up for themselves and to make themselves heard and to step forward and grasp their destiny.
And so, despite the fact that in your attempts to be heard and to get to the bottom of what Facebook was doing to you, you were in fact following her advice practically to the letter.
And she, knowingly or not, was smacking down someone who had actually taken her message to heart.
Yeah, exactly.
They're hypocrites, you know?
They're arrogant hypocrites.
They're liars.
They should be in prison for perjuring themselves before Congress, in my opinion.
Yes, it's absolutely extraordinary.
Well, again, let us let our listeners know how to read your book, how to buy your book, I should say, and also where they can find out more, more information about your campaign.
So they can buy my book and read my book by going online to various vendors.
Like I said before, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Books a Million, and it's called Loomer'd, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World.
I know there's also a Kindle version and eventually one of these days I'll do an audio book as well.
And then people can learn more about my campaign or support my campaign by going to lauraloomer4congress.com.
And I'm also Even though I'm not on Facebook and Twitter, I'm on Telegram at Loomerd Official.
I'm on Gab Truth Social.
I'm on Getter and Parler at Laura Loomer.
And so I hope that people will follow me there.
Well, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today.
It's been a real pleasure.
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