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June 30, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Jared Taylor on the Gavin McInnes Show
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Little funny fingers because he thought he could take them.
One thing, this is not totally off topic, but it has anything to do with your research, but we've discovered that back before single mothers were incentivized with welfare, blacks committed, now I'm going back to pre-FDR now, I'm back into the 40s,
blacks committed crime.
Just a little bit more than whites, but not that statistically significant, and that was back when a father was in the home and the black family was intact.
I don't think that's really true.
If you go back, for as far back as national crime rates have been collected, blacks have committed crimes at substantially higher rates than whites.
However, the differential was not nearly as great.
You're correct about that.
I mean, we're talking about now, for some crimes, robbery, for example.
Blacks committing these crimes at 12 to 15 times the white rate.
In the past, it might have been something like, you know, four or five times the white rate.
Well, I have a guy coming on in about half an hour from the Southern Poverty Law Center, and he's doing a show on ID called Hate in America.
Where he's focusing on the real scourge here, which is Nazi skins and the KKK.
And he's going to trot out this thing that's very popular these days, especially this past week, where you say you are 25 times more likely to be attacked by a white terrorist in America than a Muslim.
Well... That's interesting.
That'll be news to me.
It will be interesting to see where his sources come from.
Of course, I suppose he probably has a very, very broad definition of white terrorists.
Correct. It's threats.
They'll have some Basque separatists call in a bomb threat.
Boom, it's on the list.
If you look at Wikipedia, the FBI terrorism list, it lists mostly whites.
And you go, really?
I'm thinking of the newspaper in the past few years, and I see jihadists on the front page.
You check their list, and it's every little esoteric bit of vandalism, you know, a swastika on a synagogue, is up there with 9-11.
You know, the number that I had tended to hear was that there have been as many people killed by wicked white supremacists, however they're defined, as have been killed by Arab terrorists.
And that's supposed to make us think that they're all equivalent.
That observation fails to note that there are about...
40 or 50 times as many white people in the country as there are Arabs.
So, on a per capita basis, you know, that means they're not exactly equivalent in terms of their likelihood to do you in.
Well, I wish I could get you guys on at the same time, but in the past, it's been kind of a grim match to watch.
It's sort of like putting a toddler in with Mike Tyson, and it's not that fun seeing a child pulverized.
All right, let's dive into it.
Sorry for such a long delay.
What did you discover?
Well, it's really something that's been known for a long time, but it bears repeating because the mainstream media consistently ignore it.
But there is really absolutely no evidence that there's any systematic police bias in arrests.
If all you read was the New York Times, you'd get the impression that police are out there busily arresting innocent black people, and whenever they see a white guy mug somebody, they say, ah, white guy, off you go, we're not going to bother arresting you.
No. There are enormous databases that make it clear that the police are arresting criminals.
They're not venting some kind of bias.
But one of the most important is the National Crime Victimization Survey that we talked about earlier that's conducted by the FBI.
Now, in this, what they do is they take a huge sample of 100,000 people and they ask them every year, what crimes have you been a victim of?
And then they ask, well, where did it happen?
Did you know the guy?
Were you hurt?
And they ask, what was the guy's race?
And what they find out is that approximately 70% of the people that victims say mugged them were black.
This is just an example.
Well, then if you look at the arrest statistics, it turns out that almost exactly that same figure, 70% of the people who are arrested for mugging, are also black.
Well, it sounds to me as though the police are doing their job.
There's also an enormous database that's even bigger.
This involves 6,000 police departments in the US that cover about 29% of the US population.
They also do a very careful survey of what race the perpetrator was that the victims report.
Obviously, they can't arrest everybody.
But then if you look at the proportion of blacks or Hispanics, whoever it was, who were the perpetrators, as compared to the number of people that were arrested by the police, there's an almost perfect match, which suggests to me the police are doing their jobs.
They're arresting crooks.
They're not going out and venting some kind of bias.
Well, yeah, just to go back a little bit there, I think people who aren't familiar with this research...
Don't realize the magnitude, the importance of this victim-identifying thing.
Because it's one of the few pieces of data where you can see a total lack of bias.
No one who's been mugged is going to get mugged by an Armenian and say he was Chinese or black.
There's no motive there.
They're trying to define exactly what happened to them because they want to set the record straight because they don't want to get mugged again.
And they want you to catch the guy.
Exactly. That is the point.
They want you to catch the guy.
There is absolutely no motivation to say anything other than what you experienced.
And if you've been mugged, if you've been raped, if you've been assaulted, chances are you've had a perfectly good enough look at the perp to tell you whether he's an Hispanic or an Asian or whatever it is.
Now, we had a feminist on the show recently, and she was talking about rape culture, and she was basically saying, I'll stop hating men when they stop raping women.
And I said, okay, well, that's primarily a black thing, so you're sick of black men raping women.
And she said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And she wanted to abandon the topic at that point.
And Jim Goat has poured through these statistics.
We have upwards of 250,000 black on white.
Well, this includes sexual harassment.
A quarter of a million black on white sexual harassments, whereas a few, 20,000 or so, white on black.
And it ends up being, the odds of you getting sexually assaulted by a black are like 6,000% higher than a white.
Yes, those statistics, those go back to when the Justice Department was still releasing the racial component on those statistics.
That's the National Crime Victimization Survey.
I have used those statistics in the past, but I hesitate to do so now because the number of blacks who are sexually assaulted by whites is so small that it's statistically insignificant.
Some people round it down to zero, which makes no sense either.
But there's absolutely no question that black-on-white rape vastly, vastly outnumbers white-on-black sexual assault.
Well, that's what we said to her on the show.
We said, okay, you don't like those stats?
Let me take my golf putter here and move the decimal place to the left.
How about 600%?
How about 60%?
Yes, that's right.
That's right.
Well, see, the data are there.
It's just that the mainstream absolutely refuses to consider it because their brains just stop functioning when you present them with facts that go counter to their understanding of how the world works.
In fact, I once calculated the rate at which black people rape white women.
I think it came out to one every 11 minutes.
11 minutes?
I'm working on memory there.
So at practically any moment in time, you could say, at this very moment, there is a white person being raped by a black person.
Well, there's been two since we started this conversation.
Now, isn't there a problem with this data where Hispanic and white tend to jump back and forth, and sometimes Hispanic whites are white, and sometimes, like, Vincente Fox is white, and then sometimes Hispanic is a little Aztec farmer with a sombrero on.
Yes, that's exactly right.
That is one of the great deficiencies of the FBI's statistical gathering.
You have to go down to the city level or the state level to find consistent information on separating whites and Hispanics.
In this National Crime Victimization Survey that I've mentioned, Hispanics are almost always lumped in with whites.
So, they are considered, despite the fact that Hispanics on average commit more violent crime than whites, they bloat the white crime rates because Hispanics are lumped in with them.
And there's an even greater absurdity.
That's the fact that for hate crime purposes, Hispanics are a victim category, but they are not a perpetrator category.
Yes. So if you go through the FBI's annual hate crime statistics, you'll find several hundred white-on-white hate crimes.
You scratch your head.
What is this?
The fact is, these are Hispanics who have committed hate crimes against whites.
But because they are not a separate perpetrator category, they're considered white.
Isn't that absurd?
It's been the case ever since the late 1990s when I first looked into this.
I wrote a letter to the Justice Department.
I said,"What's going on here?" Why are they not a perpetrator category and only a victim category?
I got back the most gobbledygook letter you could imagine.
I published it verbatim in the first version of The Color of Crime because it was such a spectacular masterpiece in obfuscation and bureaucratic double talk.
Did you understand it?
I didn't.
I didn't.
That's why I included it in the report.
I said, you know, readers, if you understand this, let me know.
No, they've been aware that the public has complained about it.
I mean, does that make sense?
We're talking about a report that is supposed to be gauging race relations, and Hispanics are completely excluded as perpetrators.
Well, they look white.
Vincente Fox looks white, but I knew they weren't white when I looked into what they've invented in the past 500 years.
And I think Fox himself said the taco.
Was the only thing he could come up with.
Is the guy who mows your lawn, does he look white?
Look, we're not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, but for some reason we are great at systems and inventing stuff.
I don't know why.
Maybe because we have a combination of high IQ and balls, and few people have that combination, but we're just good at electricity, cement, buildings, infrastructure, systems!
Yes, yes.
We're pretty good at that.
The old white guy that we're all taught to despise.
Without him, we'd still be taking a pee and slit latrines, probably.
And many still are.
Look at Port-au-Prince.
Let's get some real numbers, though.
I want some real meat on the bones here.
Good, good.
Well, first of all, here is, can you see this?
Here's a copy.
Here's a copy of it.
You can get it online at amran.com, or you can actually order a paper version of it here, which I'm consulting right now.
But, well, for example, let's take some of the most astonishing statistics.
Now, sorry to interrupt you, but you've released this many times.
Well, no, this is the third edition.
Third edition.
It started in 1999, then we had an update in 2005, then we got lazy and didn't update it again until 2016.
So you want to make sure you get the 2016 version, kiddies.
Yes, that's exactly right.
I don't think you'll make any mistake about that.
This one also, by the way, was the main researcher on this is Edwin Rubenstein.
He's a very well-known economist and researcher.
He did a really fantastic, thorough job.
Sounds like a...
What's this?
That's my Jew finger thing.
Oh, well, you know.
Just kidding.
We're not anti-Semites here.
As you yourself put it, it gets to the point where people want to blame the Jews if it rains on their birthday.
You're quoting me precisely, and you're imitating me brilliantly.
Thank you.
Well, that's because I'm white.
Oh, you're merciless.
You wanted numbers, right?
Yes, I want beef.
Beef, okay.
Here is prime grade A beef.
In 2014, in New York City, New York City is one of these places that very carefully keeps racial statistics, and they can tell a Hispanic from a white person, unlike the federal government.
They figured that out.
Very tricky.
If he looks Mesoamerican and doesn't speak English, they figure he's probably Hispanic and not white.
Yeah, I know how to tell in New York.
You say to the Puerto Rican, is it five minutes or pie-meany?
If it's pie-meany, he's Puerto Rican.
That sounds Liberian to me, but you live in New York and I don't.
It's a lazy English.
But anyway, as I say, New York City is very careful about keeping all these statistics.
And what they found was...
In New York City, in 2014, that's when we have the latest statistics, a black person was 31 times more likely than a white person to be arrested for murder.
31 times!
That's a big number.
A Hispanic was 12 times more likely.
And then for the crime of shooting, did you know that there's a crime of shooting in the city that you live in?
I do.
One a day.
Oh, more than that.
A shooting...
Oh, sorry, a murder.
There's a murder a day.
Yes, yes.
No, shootings are far more common.
A shooting is when somebody lets fly a bullet and it strikes somebody.
Whether it just grazes him or whatever it is, that's a shooting.
And that's against the law in your city.
In any case, blacks were 98.4 times more likely than whites to be arrested for a shooting.
And a Hispanic was 24 times more likely.
Those are huge numbers.
When you're talking about sociological research, you've stumbled onto something that's really important.
If you find that some group is, say, 50% more likely or less likely to die of a heart attack or to beat their children or whatever it is, we're talking here about numbers that are 100 times, 100 times greater.
And the consequence of this is, if New York City were all white, And the additional population of whites committed crime at exactly the same rate as the whites who live there now.
Basically, you could lay off most of the police force.
Because what in effect would happen is that the murder rate would drop by 91%.
You'd have only 9% of the murders you have now.
Robbery would decline by 81%.
And shootings, which, you know, the blacks are such a specialty, they would decline by 97%.
You'd have only 3%.
Of the shootings that you have now.
And this is the case for practically all big cities.
In the report here, we go through places like Minneapolis, Chicago, Philadelphia.
You have enormous differentials in the likelihood of blacks as opposed to whites to commit crime.
I'll tell you one more interesting thing about New York City.
This is very uncharacteristic, but for all of these crimes, Asians are slightly more likely than whites to commit murder, rape, etc.
That's very unusual.
For the nation as a whole, Asians are generally less likely to commit crime.
Now, I don't know what it is about the Asians you have in New York.
I know what it is.
They're under siege.
There's a myth that Asians come here rich, but the vast majority of them build up their own wealth from scratch.
And if you're going to do that, you have to live way out in Queens, way out in Bushwick, way out in black areas where gang violence is the name of the game.
So you either man up and fight back or get trampled underfoot.
So they might be sort of sucked into the world of crime just to defend themselves.
I don't know.
It could have to do with the mix of Asians who are in New York.
I think there are lots of Chinese, very few Japanese.
Probably not that many Koreans.
I don't know, but it's an interesting phenomenon.
And it's not as though it's that much more than whites.
It's maybe 20%, 40%.
But on a national basis, when it comes to violent crime, North Asians, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, they generally commit crimes at one-half to one-quarter the white rate.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, New York City is very interesting in that respect.
There is, however, one crime.
For which Asians are off the charts.
Let me guess.
It involves penis is.
No. Not rape?
It's not rape?
What? You think Asians are out there raping people?
No, I think the opposite.
Oh, rape victims.
What do you mean?
I thought you were about to tell me a statistic where Asians are not committing a crime, and I was going to assume it was rape.
Oh, no.
I just told you they commit almost all crimes at very low rates.
There's one crime that they commit at extremely high rates, higher than anybody else.
Identity theft.
No. Oh.
Okay, what?
Eating? Gambling.
Gambling offenses.
Ah, of course.
Duh. Yes, that's right.
Which is ridiculous that it's a crime.
Well, you can put it in those terms.
But, you know, that's sort of a little IQ test that you can inflict on all of your friends and say, Asians ordinarily commit very few crimes compared to other groups.
There's one crime, though, in which they're eight to ten times more likely than whites to be arrested for.
What's that?
If they really know their racial stereotypes in an accurate way, they'll think to themselves, oh, yes, Chinese love to gamble.
So they have these illegal gambling dens.
Yeah, I remember living in Taiwan.
I'd walk around at around, you know, four in the morning, five in the morning.
You peek into a restaurant or anywhere, and this guy's playing cards 24 hours a day.
And I think that's why you see them sleeping on the train.
Because they were up all night drinking tea, gambling.
Yep. Well, as you know, Las Vegas, Atlantic City, they have these special lounges for these high-rolling Asian gamblers.
And Macau.
Macau now has, what is it, two or three times the gambling turnover of Las Vegas?
Really? Yeah, yes.
The casinos in Macau are absolutely world-class, and they're doing a great booming business.
Now, you Japanese people, you guys don't gamble much, right?
Well, you'd be surprised.
They like to gamble on mahjong.
You know what mahjong is?
No. Oh yeah, that's that weird with the marbles or something?
With the tiles, the tiles.
Yes, yes.
It's a complicated game, but they gamble on mahjong.
They're not nearly as gambling crazy as the Chinese.
I think also the Southeast Asians, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, they love to gamble too.
But the Chinese especially.
Yeah, it's a...
Well, they're superstitious.
Can you say in Japanese, I would have played mahjong, but the weather was prohibitive?
Mahjong was doing it, but the weather was raining.
So you did the passe, like the weird past tense where I would have?
Of course.
Wow. I also did say that the trouble is it was raining.
I didn't go into the weather.
What's the matter?
You can't do prohibitive?
Precipitous. Precipitous.
I just said it was raining.
Okay, so just because we're running out of time here, but I know the SPLC guys are going to see your data, and the magic word systemic is going to appear.
That it's about culture, and it's about the way we treat them, racism, they're left with no choice.
Let me give you some more statistics.
The other assumption about the criminal justice system in the United States is that, okay, maybe the police aren't biased, but everybody else is.
The prosecutors, you know, the whole system is nuts, just absolutely anti-black.
Well, there's an interesting test of this, and if you compare the proportion of blacks who are arrested to the proportion of blacks who are in jail, and it turns out that the portions are very similar.
That suggests that we're talking about a system that's basically fair.
If, say, 40% of the people who are arrested for forgery are black, and 40% of the people who are in jail are black, then assuming that the arrests are not biased, and we have good reasons for assuming that,
then that suggests to me, and to anybody who's reasonable, that the rest of the system is unbiased also.
Would you agree?
I would.
That sounds reasonable.
What about this one?
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Then there's another test of police bias.
This is a little bit more subtle.
Some of your listeners may not get this, but I'll go into it anyway.
Thanks a lot, Jared.
Yes. I think you will, but I'm taking a chance.
There are various versions of the same crime.
There's aggravated assault and just plain assault.
Aggravated assault is with a deadly weapon.
That's a serious crime.
Just ordinary assault is if I push you or if I spit on you.
That's assault.
The racial multiples of arrests for aggravated assault are far higher than for simple assault.
In other words, if you stab somebody, you're...
Well, okay.
And the point of it is this.
A serious assault is one the police cannot ignore.
However, if the police are walking by and I spit on you...
The police probably have better things to do than to arrest me for spitting on you.
I mean, it depends on how they're feeling, how busy they are, how much paperwork they feel like filling out.
In other words, they have an enormous amount of latitude on who they arrest for these less serious crimes.
You know what I think they might do is they'd probably say, not only does everyone hate racists, but they hate each other.
Jared Taylor just spat on Gavin McInnes.
The point is...
They have a lot of discretion there.
And so if all these white cops are really bound and determined to go out and round up innocent black people, or round up black people on any pretext, you would expect that the racial multiples would be far greater for these less serious crimes, would you not?
Because that's where the police could actually vent their racist venom.
Oh, I see, right.
Yes, yes.
So in an area where they have more leeway, you don't see more racism.
Exactly. Exactly.
You see considerably less.
Now, this suggests to me that if anything, the police are biased against arresting blacks.
It may be that blacks are less likely to commit these serious crimes.
I don't know.
The fact is, I think all policemen know today, you arrest a black guy, you've got all sorts of trouble on your hands.
Oh yeah, and that's been made clear in Britain.
They said that we saw this with Rotherham and the Muslims.
They were too scared to arrest them because they didn't want to appear racist.
And studies here in America have shown that cops are less likely to pull out their gun in a black situation because they don't want to appear trigger-happy.
That's exactly right.
And you know, there was a very interesting study in San Francisco.
We mentioned this in this report as well.
According to which, blacks were about nine times more likely to resist arrest for non-felony crimes than whites.
Nine times more likely to resist arrest.
Well, in other words, this is precisely the kind of situation that gives rise to these shootings of unarmed people.
You arrest a guy for jaywalking.
And he starts punching you out, resists being whatever it is, you might end up having to shoot the guy if he goes for your gun or whatever it is.
I think in many cases, police officers are going to see some guy shoplifting a donut.
If he's white, he might arrest him.
If he's black, he's going to say, wait a minute, let him eat the donut.
I'm not going to set myself up for some sort of terrible situation.
How many young black men are killed a year in gang violence?
The death toll for blacks every year is about 5,000.
Almost all of them are young black people between the ages of about 16 and 25, 28, something like that.
More than 90% of them, I think it's 93%, if you go back over the years, are killed by other black people.
Right. The number of unarmed blacks who are killed by police is 0.6% of that annual total.
Right. Well, the numbers there, they range, I've heard, you know, if you look at the news and we see the Eric Garner's and the Trayvon's, you end up with about half a dozen.
But if you really want to stretch it out, they'll say 140 people were killed by cops in a year.
Now, even if you make all 140 of them innocent and black, which they weren't, there's plenty of whites there and most of them are fighting back, that is still, the range there is about 4%, 2.1%.
We're still above 95%, yet for some reason, the media, and I assume my next guest, is totally focused on ignoring the 95 and up percent.
Exactly. No, the Washington Post actually did a nationwide survey and found out how many people were killed by police during 2015.
That's all in the report, too.
Another adds to the report.
And this was a pretty crazy year.
That was 990 people.
990 people.
Of that number, only 93 were unarmed.
Only 93. And of that number, there were 38 blacks.
So we're talking about a tiny, tiny number.
Well, it gets to the point where it's statistically irrelevant because the margin of error subsumes it.
Well, you're talking about such small numbers that every year you could get a very large difference and the percentages could bounce around like they're on a yo-yo.
Right. Yes.
But that's my point.
It's this tiny number that the Black Lives Matter group and your next guest care about.
Whereas, they don't seem to care about the 5,000 that are killed by other blacks.
Oh, we don't care about them.
No. We've got a greater clip than even this Dylann Roof guy killed in South Carolina.
If blacks had killed those guys in South Carolina, nobody would care.
But because you had some crazy, demented white guy who did it, then it becomes national news.
Why, ask this guy, why doesn't he care about the fact that black people are killing each other?
It's such a great clip.
I will.
I will.
And it shows that it's politics is fashion.
It's cooler to hate white guys.
It's cooler to hate Nazi skinheads.
They're an easy villain.
And the irony is, bad guys, the Archie Bunkers, like you and I, actually have blacks' best interests in mind.
We're more concerned with the 5,000 than they are.
Yes. Yes.
Alright, last question.
The go-to response to all of this data, because it is irrefutable, is...
Poverty. It's really about poverty, and blacks are the poorest, ergo they're the criminaliest.
Well, the fact is, in many places, Hispanics are just as poor, if not poorer, than blacks, but their crime rates are considerably lower.
Furthermore, I would argue that crime causes poverty, not the other way around.
If you're in and out of jail, chances are you're going to have a hard time getting a job.
The other thing is this.
This whole theory that poverty causes crime, remember, back during the Depression, A whole lot of people all across the country became suddenly very poor.
Crime rates did not rise at all.
They stayed flat or they declined.
What year was that, sorry?
During the Depression.
Oh, right, of course.
And also in 2008.
2008, when we had this big slump.
That was right in the middle of a steady decline in crime that has continued.
It produced no blip on that at all.
Well, I also like to say to these people, West Virginia is one of the poorest places in the country, and in the 70s it had the lowest crime in the country.
Now, meth and heroin haven't been great for West Virginia, but it is still in the bottom seven as far as crime goes, but it's in the top ten as far as poverty goes.
That's right.
That's right.
This link between poverty and crime, as I say, if there really is a link, it is one that goes the other way.
Crime-ridden neighborhoods are not places where you can end up with jobs.
If you have a record, it's hard to get a job.
If you spent your youth in prison, you haven't learned anything, how to be a productive citizen.
No. And the other thing is, all of these famous people...
Oh, gosh.
I can't remember his name now.
You have a lot of blacks who suddenly become wealthy due to some kind of police settlement or something.
Who's the guy that chased the riots in 1992 in Los Angeles?
Who was that guy?
Rodney King.
Rodney King.
Yeah, Rodney King.
But Eric Garner got a settlement.
But Rodney King became a millionaire.
That did not stop him from one encounter with the police after another.
If you look into the records, there are several like that.
Being rich does not stop them from being violent or taking drugs or whatever it is.
This is a complete cop-out, this idea that poverty causes them.
Poverty does not cause...
A lot of crime has nothing to do with trying to put food on the table for your children.
I mean, for heaven's sake.
Most of the guys who are out committing mugging, are they really desperate?
Are they starving?
They're robbing people for bread so they can make a sandwich, Jared.
God. For their children, right.
Yeah, go check your data.
You'll see 90% of thieving is groceries.
Look at the riots.
They have a thing of bounty and a large RC Cola.
Right. You're absolutely right.
It's staples.
They're stealing staples.
Thank you very much for coming on the show, Jared.
I'm looking forward to bringing all this up with my next guest, who is totally focused on the Nazis, and we'll see where it ends up.
But you provided me with a veritable arsenal of cannon fodder.
We have only skimmed the surface, and your viewers can get the straight dope at amran.com.
Here it is.
Thank you.
I can't recommend it more highly.
Alright. Thanks very much, Jared.
My pleasure.
Cheers. Bye-bye.
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