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June 25, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Jared Taylor Talks Race with 60 Minutes Australia
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Mr. Turner, did you cheer when Donald Trump became president?
Yes, I was very pleased compared to the alternative.
He was a vast improvement.
And what were you cheering for?
I was cheering for really three specific things.
The idea of sending home all illegal immigrants, making sure no more illegal immigrants come, and also taking a very hard look at Muslim immigration.
And if I were to add a fourth element, It would be a very hard look at birthright citizenship.
That is the idea that anyone who has a child in the United States, that child becomes a U.S. citizen, even if that person is here illegally.
Getting rid of that and the other three policies I mentioned would go a long way towards slowing the reduction of whites to a minority in the United States.
And based on that, is that because you believe Donald Trump reflects your views?
Not at all.
I think in racial terms.
Donald Trump, I believe, is an American nationalist.
And being an American nationalist is a first step compared to other politicians in the United States who seem to think that the United States is sort of up for grabs.
Anyone who comes belongs here.
Our role is to somehow enlighten the world.
No, Donald Trump thinks in terms of America first.
Immigrants should come who benefit the United States.
So thinking in terms of nation as opposed to others, that's the first step towards thinking in terms of whites as opposed to other races.
So you're not thinking that he's absolutely on your side, if I could put it that way, but he's looking like he's got all the right views at this point to help reach your goal.
He has some of the right policies.
But so far as I can tell, none of the right views.
I don't believe Donald Trump thinks in terms of race.
He thinks in terms of American nationality.
He wants what's good for Americans who are here now.
Unlike Hillary Clinton, who kindly explained to a bunch of Brazilian bankers that American identity is an intellectual invention, Donald Trump probably thinks that the American identity reflects something real, that there is an American people.
How he would define it, I don't know.
But at least he puts the interests of that group of people before those of the rest of the world.
That's a good first step.
But he does not think in terms of trying to preserve a white majority of the United States.
He does not think in terms of maintaining the United States as an outpost of Europe rather than something else.
And you would like him to.
I would like him to.
You obviously applaud the idea of building a wall, for example.
Whatever it is to keep out illegal immigrants.
If a wall is the best way, that's fine.
It may not be the best way.
But the idea of preventing illegal immigration is profoundly important.
I think everybody understands that illegal immigration is not desirable.
But immigration is perhaps not entirely to your liking either.
The people who come here legally are demographically not that much different from the people who come here illegally.
And I consider the idea of an immigration policy that is going to reduce people like me, who are descended from the people who built this United States, to a minority.
I find that undesirable.
And how does that reduce you?
How does that happen, in your opinion, that someone like you can be reduced, as you put it?
Reduced? Yes.
Just look in numerical terms.
In 1965...
When we dismantled the equivalent of our white American policy, the United States was about 90% white.
If at that time you'd explained to the American Congress that you're about to pass a law that's going to reduce white people to a minority in about 70 years, they would never have passed that law.
The idea of the United States becoming, in effect, a third world country would have been anathema to those people.
That law was pushed as a kind of window dressing.
And so, simply being reduced to a minority, having our numbers decline, our influence dwindle, if it were not for being a white country, if you were to imagine this in Japan or Korea or Nigeria, the native population or the majority population being reduced to a minority,
you would understand that that was undesirable.
People seem to think that it is desirable only for talking about a white country.
For a Frenchman to say France should remain French is somehow an act of Nazism.
But for a Japanese to say Japan should remain Japanese, we take that perfectly for granted.
I think what we're getting to the nun here is that you prefer a white America.
Yes, just as the Japanese prefer a Japanese American.
Sure, but you prefer a white America.
Yes, a European American.
A white America.
And that means...
You have a large population of African Americans, black people.
What happens to them?
In my view, a fair solution to this problem, a recognition of the tribal nature of our species, would involve some kind of separation in which whites could at least have a portion of the United States in which they are the unquestioned majority.
Segregate? Excuse me?
Segregate? Not necessarily forcibly.
I think for those who wish to mix it up, God bless them.
They can have that kind of experience if they wish.
But most people prefer the company of people like themselves.
And this should not be considered some kind of horrible, hateful emotion.
I think it's the most natural, normal feeling in the world to prefer one's own tribe.
Around the world, that's taken for granted.
It's only in the case of whites that that's considered some sort of moral aberration.
And what is...
I mean, is it just...
Let me put it this way.
Are you just worried about what you look like?
No. You have to have white skin to be white.
Or is it because you feel that the integration of other ethnicities into the world of white people affects white people?
Appearance is just one thing.
I mean, I do believe that we should preserve the biological diversity of human beings.
I think if every group interbred in such a way so that all people all around the world basically look the same, I think that would be a tragedy.
I think the diversity of the way human beings appear is something well worth preserving in and of itself.
But that's just part of it.
Wherever you find white people, you find a certain kind of society.
There's a texture of life.
There's a way of doing things.
That is different from the way Africans do things, the way Asians do things.
That is as important, if not more important to me, than preserving the biological fact of my tribe, my people.
Still you do want to keep the appearance of white people white.
You want white people to be white.
Well, I want black people to be black.
I want Asians to be Asian.
I want elephants to be elephants.
Yes, and that's what I'm saying.
One of the criteria for you is...
One of the criteria for you is the appearance of white people maintaining their appearance.
That's inextricably linked to the culture of white people.
I think that Western civilization cannot be moved forward in a meaningful way by anyone but the biological heirs, the people who created that civilization.
That civilization is just as important to me as the physical, biological fact of the people who created it.
So when you say biological heirs, what do you mean?
The descendants of Europeans.
And do you therefore believe that we, I'm white, I'm a descendant from the European world as well, we are superior?
No, we are different.
We are different.
I think that in many objective ways, East Asians are superior to whites.
I think they probably have a higher average intelligence, lower crime rates, lower illegitimacy rates, whether you find them in Asia or when you find them in Australia or in the United States.
And yet, that doesn't mean that I want the United States or any other white person, white country, to be displaced by Asians.
I want Asia to remain distinctly and wonderfully Asian.
But I believe that Europe has the right to remain distinctly and wonderfully European, just as the United States, which was founded by a group of Europeans, has the right, or certainly had the right, to maintain its European character and its European majority.
You do argue that the white IQ, if you like, is far greater than the black IQ.
It's on average 15.5.
The average white IQ is 100.
The average black IQ is 85. This has been established for over 100 years.
And I think the evidence is overwhelming that there is some genetic contribution to this.
Just as the difference between East Asians of about 100 and 305 as opposed to 100 for whites, that too, I think overwhelmingly, it must have some sort of genetic component.
Your geneticists that you speak of from Yale, from Cambridge, from Houston, all argue that there is no evidence that genetically you are going to be greater or less in IQ.
Oh, on the contrary.
No, I'm serious.
They are saying there is absolutely no evidence to show that if you're white, you're going to be brighter.
Then a black person could you what?
We're talking strictly about advertising.
Clearly there are going to be some very smart black people who are smarter than the vast majority of white people.
On average, however, in the psychometric community there is no dispute that whites on average have a higher IQ than blacks.
But the only debate, and this debate is largely closed, is whether or not...
That is accounted for entirely by environmental factors or to what extent there is a genetic contribution.
It would be argued that all people given equal opportunity have the ability to achieve and have a great IQ.
So you say that it's actually not closed off, this argument, that we are yet to find what environment might.
Due to the argument of greater IQ.
Do you really believe that in the same environment, everyone would achieve exactly the same level?
No, of course not, but given the opportunities, you've already seen, we see it all the time, greatness coming from a variety of races, and not just whites.
Of course, I'd never deny that.
But to dumb down, if you like.
One race is hardly arguable, really, because if you give people equal opportunity, you might find the average comes up.
This experiment has actually been tried in Minnesota, the adoption study.
This is a very well-known study among them.
Psychometricians and people who are interested in racial differences.
This is a group of black children given up for adoption.
Some black, some half white, half black, some white.
All given up for adoption in middle-class white homes.
And at the age of about five or six, it did seem that a middle-class white environment raised IQ.
And these results were widely troubling.
But by the time these adoptive subjects had reached the age of 16 or 18, the blacks now were testing their IQ.
That was more or less the average of Minnesota blacks.
So the effect wore off.
This was perfectly in line with the hereditary view.
In early years, environment can have an artificially intensive impact on IQ.
But as people become more autonomous, they choose their own environments, they make their own decisions.
Then their IQ reflects their genetic endowment much more closely.
So this attempt of trying to provide a middle-class white environment for blacks has been done, and the result is that they eventually declined what is more or less a normal black IQ rather than maintaining the middle-class white IQ, which is what the experimenters had hoped for.
Nonetheless, as I go back to the geneticists from Yale and Harvard...
I do have some names actually, but they are absolute in saying we have no evidence.
So you're just different.
You're saying that from your perspective that's just not true.
The evidence of that is just so slim.
So you could still be wrong, is that what you're saying?
I could conceivably be wrong, but I would bet you the next 20 mortgage payments.
That within the next five or ten years, we're going to discover the genetic combinations that contribute to intelligence.
This is going to be found at the molecular level.
They are not going to be found to be distributed equally among human groups.
It would be astonishing if that were the case.
Human groups have been diverging for the last 200,000 years to the point where we have remarkable physical differences.
The environmental effects that have produced pygmies, Australian Aborigines, East Asians, and Danes have obviously been very intense.
It would have been utterly inconceivable that the brain be the only organ that was not affected by those environmental pressures.
Okay, so in your opinion, IQ plays heavily into how you perceive the world you would like to live in, particularly here in America.
Well, if you don't have a reasonably high average IQ, it's very difficult to build a high-trust society, and one in which technology is taken for granted.
An infrastructure is one that works in a modern way.
That's why it's so difficult to create a really modern society in Black Africa or in Haiti, because you don't have a population that is prepared to operate in a way to make that necessary.
Whereas in East Asia, the Japanese, for example, despite having cut themselves off from the rest of the world for nearly 300 years, as soon as Western technology became available, they absorbed it naturally as if they'd invented it themselves.
They were genetically prepared.
They had a high average IQ and were able to absorb it with no difficulty at all.
When did you decide that this was how you wanted...
Well, when did you decide that this is the world that you wanted to live in?
Because your parents were missionaries.
You lived in Japan.
You've been to Yale.
You've been exposed to...
All the conventional...
You have.
When did you decide that you were not going to be conventional?
Oh, it was a long and unpleasant process.
I prefer to be conventional.
It's much more fun to be part of the majority.
We're pack animals, really.
It was with great regret that I abandoned my conventional illusions.
What caused it?
Oh, a whole series of things, just bit by bit, really.
Traveling in Africa, one of the really important experiences, I guess I was about 19 years old, and I had been in the Ivory Coast, which was very well run.
It was being called the Japan of West Africa.
It was so well run.
And then I next visited Liberia, which was just a complete mess.
The buildings were tumbled down, the people were dressed in rags, the roads were full of potholes, and I asked a student at the University of Mongolia, I said,"Why is neighboring Ivory Coast doing so well, and your country is a mess?" He says,"Oh, that's a very easy question to answer.
We didn't have the benefits of colonization." Well, at the time, I was staggered by this reply.
I thought of colonization as a blood-sucking enterprise whereby whites have brutalized the natives and left them far worse off than they had been before.
But he took it for granted.
The more European influence, the better off an African country was.
And when you reflect on it, that's the case.
And is that where you started to change your thinking?
No. In retrospect, that was one of the channel markers.
That nudged me in the direction away from conventional thinking.
I still clung to my illusions for many years afterwards.
It wasn't until I was in perhaps my mid-20s, late 20s, early 30s that I became a full-blown dissident.
And again, was there something that said to you, an event or an epiphany of some sort that said to you, I've had this wrong, this is how it should be?
It was just a slow grinding away.
Of my illusions coming into contact with reality.
Of seeing that Africa is a different place.
It is simply a different place.
That was part of it.
I began to read.
I began to study economics.
I began to study history.
And all of these things gradually made it less and less sense.
This idea that human beings are basically interchangeable, that you could swap out the population of the United States and swap down zoos, for example, and still to the United States.
And that obviously became just a preposterous absurdity to me.
But it was a slow process.
And of course, you're told over and over that to think in these terms is not only wrong, but evil.
It's not just a mistake.
No one wants to be evil.
So there's a built-in resistance to recognizing the truth, even if it's stirring you in the face?
So no one event?
No nothing?
No. Because it, in essence, is saying, whether I like it or not, I am having to declare myself,
in today's world, a racist.
Racist is the wrong word.
Racist is a pejorative word.
I have a dissenting view on these matters, but my view is, I think, vastly more correct in terms of science, in terms of history, in terms of human nature, and it is absolutely morally unimpeachable.
So to call me a racist...
You'd have to define racist in a way that has no moral opprobrium whatsoever, because there's nothing morally wrong, and I think I'm scientifically and historically correct as well.
...and you do feel that you are superior to some races, and that is, in essence, the definition of a racist.
So you would have had to have declared yourself a racist to step into that world and decide that this is...
Where I'm going to come from now.
After all I've explained to you, I find it disappointing that you put things in those terms.
I'm talking to...
You accepted that you had to let go of conventional views.
Of illusions.
Of conventional views.
Which I believe are incorrect.
And I'm saying to you the definition of a racist is somebody who discriminates and has a prejudice against other races and believes they're superior.
And that's...
Truly what some of your ideas are, and whether you like the word or not, that is how you can be and are defined.
I am not prejudiced.
I used to be prejudiced.
Now I see reality.
I do not discriminate in terms of individuals.
If I were to tell you, this particular group of people, I have measured their heights, and this group is higher, taller than this group.
Would that be, and they happen to be different races, would that be a racist conclusion or would that simply be an observation of the fact?
Let me put this to you then.
I'd like an answer to that.
Well, I think that you can talk about science if you like, but when we're talking about living in the real world, would you be happy if one of your daughters came home with a black African American?
No, I wouldn't.
Why not?
Because we have been white people for 40,000 years.
And I think white people deserve a right to preserve their culture and their way of being.
And I would prefer that my grandchildren look like my grandparents.
And if I were to introduce you to a black person who said that he did not want his children marrying outside of his race, you would find that much less offensive.
Why? I think it's because we have a long history.
We, in Australia too, of being racist, being prejudiced.
You love that word.
Well, it's a reality when we're dealing with minorities.
And we have been, we have treated very badly in the past people who weren't white.
And you agree with that.
I agree, but does that make us prisoners to an illusion?
It doesn't make us prisoners.
That is not an illusion which took place in the past.
No, but the illusion is that all people are essentially equivalent.
That is the illusion.
Now, there is the nub of the issue.
You do not believe you are equal to a black person.
There are some black people who are smarter than I am.
There are some black people who are more athletic than I am.
Some black people are better looking, more musical.
All I'm talking about is groups.
And I want my group to survive.
And your group would be my group.
Yes. I want your group to survive.
Well, my group will survive because I'm a human being.
This is where, I guess, the divide is.
And this is where the conversation gets very murky because when you start trying to divide people into groups, you start to create division.
Do you accept that?
The divisions exist because people are different.
There are Frenchmen, there are Germans, there are Australians.
There are differences in the world.
And to try to obliterate those differences, to me, is very destructive.
But we can't obliterate them.
The differences are always there.
I think that is what you're proposing.
You're saying race doesn't matter.
Perhaps nationality doesn't matter.
We're all basically the same.
If we all end up the same, so what?
I don't want to end up the same.
I'm a believer in diversity.
And I believe the only way true diversity can be preserved is if there are certain...
Boundaries within which they can survive.
I don't want what's happening in the United States, or Australia for that matter, to happen to Korea.
Korea has its own culture, its own cuisine, its own way of being.
I want that to last.
I don't want Koreans suddenly to find themselves with millions of outsiders who are changing their culture.
I want Korea to remain Korean.
And I think that if that ceased to happen, it would be a great tragedy.
America, as Australia, is a land of migrants.
That's the truth.
It was built as a land of European migrants.
The very first citizenship law in the United States passed by the very first Congress.
When we're deciding what sort of country do we really want to build, it reserved citizenship to free white persons of good character because they had the idea that this was an extension of Europe.
Not just a mishmash.
In fact, Thomas Jefferson, he had the idea that whites were going to come in such numbers that they would populate all of North and South America without any blot or mixture, in his words.
He was going to populate the whole place with nothing but white people.
I'm not proposing that.
But the idea of America as some sort of, oh, come on, come on, it's up for grabs.
That is a very recent...
Concoction that the founders would have found preposterous.
How do you think your words make a black African-American feel?
I speak the truth no matter who is listening.
So you don't care how they feel?
Don't they care about how I might feel?
About my country being turned into a third world extension?
You aren't under threat, really.
Of course we are.
Okay, so you're coming from a place of fear.
I'm coming from the fact that I do not wish to become a minority, just as Nigerians would not wish, or Mexicans.
Imagine if hundreds of thousands of whites were pouring across the border into Mexicans.
I mean, into Mexico.
Imagine that they were poorer than the Mexicans, more prime-pronged, and they were insisting on instruction in English rather than Spanish, and celebrating Fourth of July rather than Cinco de Mayo, buying up radio stations.
And some of them might even be darkly talking about breaking off a chunk of northern Mexico just for white people.
Do you think the Mexicans could be tricked into thinking that was cultural enrichment?
You're still not answering my question.
How do you think a black African-American feels who has fought for your safety, fought for your protection, assisted in developing wonderful inventions that might have kept you alive?
I'll answer your question.
Why? I'll answer your question.
Please do.
Black people have their own racial consciousness, and so for them it is much easier to understand that I have a racial consciousness.
Blacks think in terms of their group, so they do not find it the slightest bit surprising that I should think in terms of my group.
Blacks, by and large, are much more understanding of a white person with a racial consciousness than white people are.
A black person, I'm sure, doesn't quite understand why you would say, I don't want my daughter going out with you.
Oh, they understand much better than you do.
Much better because many of them don't want their children going out with someone else.
Believe me.
I don't think a vast majority of them would feel quite like you.
I think a lot of black African-American people feel like you're someone who contributes to the hate conversation.
On the contrary.
I've had many encounters with blacks.
They find it refreshing.
To stop to speak about a subject as important as race with a white man who is completely honest with them.
They feel they've had an intimate and refreshing, invigorating experience.
Black people, there are some who would take the view that you have.
They say,"Oh, this goes to horror races." Most blacks are pleased to find a white person that is completely straight with them.
And because...
They have racial interests and a racial consciousness of their own.
They have no difficulty understanding that I have the same.
I actually do find it refreshing to hear you call a spade a spade, frankly.
Well, believe me.
You are prepared to say what you think, and I don't find that in itself a problem.
And you are up for the conversation about why not everyone agrees with you.
But what I am saying to you is recognizing what you're saying.
And recognising how it does contribute to hate.
It does not contribute to hate.
You have a responsibility when you speak like that, don't you think?
When you refer to IQs of African Americans, for example, black people being less, you talk about violence being greater.
You have to acknowledge that you are now...
Contributing to the recipe of hate.
Am I supposed to lie about these things?
Furthermore, furthermore.
Well, it's not entirely true what you're saying, and that's the thing you do have to do.
Well, in terms of violence, I mean, I think that right now African Americans will be very worried about violence against them by white people.
Gosh, where are we looking at?
Well, with the truth.
Look, look, look.
Because that is true.
It's not true.
You can't say a Dylann Roof is somebody that wasn't motivated by white supremacist propaganda.
And you, I'm sure, would have to denounce that.
Of course I'd denounce what he did.
No. Dylann Roof is such a remarkable, vanishingly rare exception to the rule.
We had another one in New York City.
Look, let me make a point.
The FBI is very good at accumulating statistics about crime in the United States.
We know that every year there are about 650,000 crimes of violence that cross black and white racial lines.
650,000 every year.
Of that number, what percentage do you think are committed by blacks against whites, and what percentage are whites against blacks?
Just have a go at it.
You won't tell me, because I have no FBI statistics.
Go on.
No, but you have just been talking about what a terrible problem white-on-black violence is.
So wouldn't you guess that at least the majority is committed by whites against blacks?
Wouldn't that be your assumption?
No. Oh, well, good.
Then you're a little more realistic than I realize.
Of that number, well, let me just make a point for your listeners.
85% of those crimes that cross racial lines are committed by blacks against whites, which means that on a per capita basis, blacks are about 25 times more likely to commit a crime of violence against a white than the other way around.
So again, Dylann Roof is a vanishingly rare exception.
And to base policy on such a vanishingly rare exception is first of all a mistake, and second of all, just because Dylann Roof is an unhinged, drug-addled, crazy, young, white man does not mean that I should lie about the truth.
Do you accept that there are hate crimes?
I think that there are crimes and there are people who hate other people, but I think a hate crime should not be treated any differently from any other crime.
The crime is the crime.
If I were to shoot someone because he was fat, because I hate fat people, do I deserve extra penalties on account of that?
If I shoot someone because he's six feet tall and I don't like people who are six feet tall, should I get extra penalties for that?
I think trying to look into the motive and then adjusting the penalty, I don't think that makes any sense.
So you don't believe in hate crimes?
I believe that people commit crimes because they hate people, but I don't think that there should be an extra penalty depending on whether the motivation had to do with whether somebody was fat or black or a duck hunt.
Why not, though?
Well, why should I?
Well, it's still a murder, and if it's motivated by hate, don't you think we need to say to people, you cannot make a decision?
To act because of hate.
I don't really think that's relevant.
That would mean that if it could be proven that you walk around all day long hating homosexuals, I know you don't know anything about it, but the fact of hating them means that deserves some sort of penalty.
Does the hate all by itself deserve a penalty?
It's the action.
You know it's the action.
Of course it's the action.
You dance around with words, but the truth is, you know as well as I do, that these crimes are often committed because they have been stirred up by conversations which are about dividing people or judging people or being discriminatory towards people or being prejudiced.
And when you start to talk in the manner that you do oh so eloquently...
You are still inciting, contributing, and lending to the belief that others are not as good as I am.
Absolutely not.
You really don't understand this at all, do you?
I understand it better than you.
I think.
I've been thinking about these things.
I used to think the way you do.
I've been thinking about these things for more than 25 years.
What you're asking me to do is lie.
What you're asking me to do...
No, I'm not asking you to lie.
I'm not asking you to lie.
I'm pleased to talk to you about the views you hold.
I challenge you, but I'm pleased to talk to you about these views because you are, as they say, the man in the suit and tie who presents just like a Klansman, ultimately.
There's not much difference.
What I speak about is the truth as I see it.
I'm saying to black people, yes, you are just as smart and just as hardworking as all these white people.
The reason you don't succeed is because the police are racist, the teachers are racist, society is racist, the judge in the courtroom is racist.
All white people are basically racist.
Isn't that a perfect way to try to teach black people to hate white people?
To say, the reason that you people are poor, more likely to be in jail, is because of these wicked white people over there.
Isn't that a perfect way to try to teach black people to hate white people?
I think that...
Isn't it?
I don't espouse speaking in a manner that creates hate, but you're talking about very specifically no interracial...
Relationships or marriages?
I'm not saying it must not happen.
I prefer my children.
I believe in complete freedom of association.
If people wish to do that, so be it.
I don't want it for me and I don't want it for my children.
But you're also, I know that's how you feel, but also in stating that, you are disseminating this information as to why you don't want that.
And in the process, you're putting people down.
You are being racially discriminatory.
Towards other people when you say what I don't want for me is based on your IQ is lower, you live in a different way, you will start moneying the waters with white people.
That is the way in which it seeps under the door.
So I'm not supposed to express my preference.
You can.
It's the way in which you do it and you know it.
You are a divider.
You are a hater.
I hate her.
Look, Elizabeth, we've been talking all this time.
Have I said anything at all that suggests I hate anyone?
In such lonely terms, you are disseminating the hate conversation.
You really understand nothing.
You really understand.
I'm disappointed in you.
I'm okay with your disappointment.
What about the fact, if I believe that Asians on average are smarter than whites, talking about that, does that disseminate hate?
Does that make people...
Well, answer that question.
You're so tightly bound on staying white that it is to the exclusion of all else.
And it's just not a reality.
What's not a reality?
Human beings don't come first to you.
Colour seems to come first to you.
Please answer my question.
If I believe that East Asians are smarter than whites, I shouldn't talk about that because talking about that promotes hate?
No. So that I can talk about.
But it's not black and white differences.
Trust me, we have had hate towards Asians as well in our country.
And it is very easy to create hate towards a group.
It is very easy.
I wonder why.
Why do you say that?
Because we are a tribal species.
We are much better off if we don't attempt to mix in large numbers.
The idea that mixing is going to be this wonderful, happy, diverse kumbaya, that is an elemental mistake.
That is why Israel, for example, wishes to remain Jewish.
By the way, is that hateful on their part?
Is it hateful for Israel to wish to remain Jewish?
I need to ask, how do you feel about the Jewish community?
I think what Israel is doing is wonderful.
So please answer that question.
Israel wants to remain Jewish.
To me, that's a perfect parallel for the United States wanting to remain quiet.
Why is that legitimate for Israel but not for the United States?
I haven't necessarily said that I agree with that.
But should they just let in all the Syrian refugees too?
But tell me, is it wrong?
For Israel to wish to remain Jewish.
I don't have an issue with anybody wanting to remain the way they are.
And I don't have an issue with you wanting to be the way you are.
I have an issue with the way in which you sell your ideas.
I sell my ideas?
Yes, the way in which you disseminate them.
You hold conferences with like-minded people whom you know very well fall into the category of being quite hateful.
Wait a minute.
Have you met them?
You know them?
I've seen the people that you have come to your conferences.
Who hates?
Who are the haters who come to my conference?
I would argue that the KKK are quite hateful.
What KKK member has ever come to my conference?
You've never had any?
Not that I know of.
None. Not that I know of.
Anyone? You would know?
I might or I might not.
See, that's your argument.
I told anyone, but you don't know either.
Well, but you seem to be positive that haters come to my conference.
But I think that...
You've never been to a conference.
You've never met anyone who's been to my conference.
You tell me they're haters.
You tell me I'm a hater.
Do you realize just how arrogant you are?
You claim to read my mind.
You claim to look into my soul and say you're a hater.
You claim to look at someone who you've never met.
He's a hater.
Gracious. Who set you up for that?
You claim to look at a black man and say your IQ is lower than mine.
Not at all.
You do.
I have already told you there are black people who are smarter than I am.
Smarter than the vast majority of people.
But I bet you anything you are lower in IQ than me because On average, black people don't have as high an IQ as me.
And that is what you just said to me.
You really have paid no attention at all.
No, no, no, you're not paying attention to me.
I'm paying perfect attention.
You're being combating because you don't like my counter-arguments.
No. You don't like the challenge.
You are making no sense.
Look, if I were to say to you...
I'm challenging you on your arguments and you don't like it, and I quite understand that.
I quite appreciate that you don't like it.
But I'm saying to you that this is the perception of...
Your position, I don't mind if that's how you wish it for you.
But what I'm saying is the way in which you put your argument...
How should I put them better?
How should I explain racial differences in IQ in a friendlier way?
I think you can happily say I prefer to be in my white community and my family not to go outside or black people not come into my premises.
I prefer you to just say that without saying that they're dumb, they're more violent, they're not, you know, culturally inclusive.
I mean, that's just not true.
Well, they are more violent.
The statistics are absolutely incontrovertible.
IQ testing that goes back a century tells us that they are, on average, less intelligent.
Are you supposed to pretend that none of that's true?
No, you can say it, but...
Isn't that what you're saying?
But geneticists from, you know, your own university would say that you're not telling the truth.
You don't actually have...
There's not absolute proof of anything of what you're saying.
In terms of violence, it's incontrovertible.
Geneticists will say to you...
But no, no, you're talking about the reasons for this.
In terms of tested IQ, performance in...
Intelligence demanding circumstances, blacks and whites and Asians, consistently perform at a different level.
Consistently. Asians at the top, next whites, next blacks.
I think that there's a very substantial genetic component to that pattern that we find everywhere, not just in the United States, but all around the world.
It's not just some sort of...
Happenstance or accident that we find that pattern over and over and over again.
Now, there are some geneticists who would suggest that,"Oh, no, no, it's all environmental." But you would be surprised at the number of people who have studied this question and can see that there is a very substantial genetic component to this pattern of consistent differences.
It can be almost up to 80%, perhaps 50%, perhaps 40%.
But the idea that it is strictly environmental, that Africa is the way it is, Asia is the way it is, black communities in the United States are the way they are, Asian communities in the United States are the way they are, because of strictly environmental reasons, very few people have looked at this question seriously.
Are you anti-homosexuality?
No. If there is to be.
A nation that is self-consciously white.
It's going to have liberals, it's going to have conservatives, it's going to have homosexuals, heterosexuals.
To me, I just want an opportunity for my people to have a chance to pursue their own particular destiny, free of the embrace in large numbers of people unlike themselves.
And that is an opportunity that I'm happy to grant to every other group.
I'm not asking anything special for white people.
So it doesn't matter what their sexuality is?
It doesn't matter a bit.
And their religion?
They can have any religion they like.
All I'm asking is that whites, if they are white and if they are defenders of Western civilization, all I'm asking for whites is the opportunity that Jews have in Israel, that Japanese have in Japan.
Why is that wrong?
Why is it wrong?
Are you happy for Muslims in your community?
If they are white and if they are people of the West, I think there would be very few such people.
There are not many moderate Muslims in your opinion?
No, I'm talking about Muslims who are European.
There are white Muslims.
So it gets down to white.
Yes, that's my family.
That's my genetic extended family.
And there were many different kinds of people in that extended family.
And I want whites.
Two years from now, I want there to at least be white people with a white culture.
Just as, as I've said before, I want there to be Koreans.
I want there to be Nigerians.
I want all of this beautiful human variety to persist and survive.
And I don't think that that is hateful in the slightest.
And how you can somehow look me in the face and tell me I'm motivated by hate when all I want to do is preserve human diversity, that to me is inexplicable.
And what, in the end, do you think Donald Trump will deliver for America in those terms that we're talking about?
Well, if he manages to...
And you don't see him as somebody who agrees with you.
No. You don't see him as somebody that has given you a voice, allowed you out, so to speak.
Absolutely not.
You don't believe that Donald Trump's entrance to the world stage is the world leader.
Mm-hmm.
Is going to necessarily equal a white America?
No, no.
But you would like it?
I would like for there to be, as I've said before, an opportunity for whites to have a community, a society, a nation in which they can pursue their destiny and develop their own culture.
Yes, that's what I want.
And I don't think that's unreasonable, and it's certainly not hateful.
In this world we live in now, 21st century, do your daughters agree with you?
Yes. They have the same view about the community, a white America, a white...
They don't feel as strongly as I do, but yes, I think their instincts are to prefer their own kind, as is the case of many here in the United States.
Well, you're going to be here for a while.
I've asked you, why don't you ask the next white person you meet to name a majority non-white neighborhood he'd like to live in, or to name a majority non-white school that he'd like to send his children to.
And just ask the question casually, see what kind of answer you get.
I suspect that they won't be able to name either a neighborhood or a school, because, in their goal, they prefer.
The society of whites.
This is normal.
There's nothing abnormal about this.
And yet, they are unable to lift their voices against policy that is going to be turning more and more schools, more and more neighborhoods, into prospects of those places where they wouldn't want to send their children or themselves live.
And I don't know whether your parents are still alive, but there are missionaries.
They, yes.
Do they agree with you, or would they agree with you?
My father is still alive.
He does not agree.
And does he say why?
Oh, we haven't talked about this in years.
But he loves me very much and I love him very much.
And we're very similar in practically every other respect.
And why do you suspect he doesn't agree with you?
Because he hasn't thought about it hard enough.
And the reason is because of this missionary background and you know he took you and your family to Japan and the white man lived amongst the Japanese but my point is it's interesting because I'm imagining your family was a very Christian family.
Oh, by definition, yes.
Yes, and therefore opening to all human beings.
So that's the reason I was interested.
That's why I was asking you, when did this happen?
Because everything seems to point to it not happening to you.
Most of the time, it does not happen to people.
But you seem to treat it as some sort of psychopathological condition.
No, no, no.
As sort of seeking the ideology of this absurd development.
No, I stumbled onto the truth.
And I've resisted the truth for many years.
And as I say, I would prefer to remain a liberal in all of these respects.
But I don't think you can build a successful society based on an illusion.
Adelaide Stevenson once said that given a choice between disagreeable fact and agreeable fantasy, Americans will go for the fantasy every time.
The idea that we're going to build this successful, happy society in which race can be made not to matter.
It's a beautiful fantasy.
Just as the communists tried to build a society on a fantasy, they thought they could build a society in which selfishness was going to be eliminated.
From each recording his ability, each recording his need.
Doesn't that sound lovely?
And it inspired many, many people.
And look at the millions of cadavers that were left behind in that attempt.
I believe that the United States, and practically every Western European country, It's trying to build a society on an illusion that is equally mistaken as that of the communist.
And finally, more and more white people are waking up to this illusion.
And that is why you have Donald Trump's success in the United States, why what is called, I think mistakenly, the extreme right is rising in Europe.
That is why we have Brexit.
White people are finally waking up to the fact that what they've been told all these years is wrong.
There is something about race that is part of identity and that it's legitimate and that we must, while we have the chance, seize the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and not be submerged by people who are unlike ourselves.
What would you do with people fleeing hostile environments?
Syrian refugees, for example.
Where would you see them go if we are...
Not to accept them.
If we must accept them, why shouldn't the Japanese accept them?
Why shouldn't the Israelis accept them?
Why must they only come to white countries?
I'm sure they do go to many, many countries.
And I know they do.
Not very many.
How many go to Brazil?
No, but my point is, why is it an issue?
If a human being, and we're all equal as human beings, as you say...
If a human being is in need and is fearful, despite colour, race, why wouldn't we say we will look after you?
We can look after people in ways that are not a threat to the long-term survival of our group.
And finally, you say that this is your life mission almost.
Well, that's what I have chosen to do.
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