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May 11, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Activism, Fellowship, and Community Service
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance.
It's my pleasure to have in the studio today Patrick Casey.
He's the executive director of an organization that I think is one of the most promising in our movement, and that's Identity Europa.
In March...
I had the pleasure of attending their first national conference, and I was hugely impressed with the quality and the dedication and the energy of the people who attended.
As I so often remark these days, I meet people who, by the time they're 25, they know more.
About all of the questions that really matter to the future of the United States and to our people.
They know more by the age of 25 than I did when I was 40 or 45. This is really an impressive group of young people coming along, but not just young people.
But rather than my talking about Identity Europa, let's hear from the man himself, Patrick Casey.
Welcome. Thank you for having me.
Glad to be here.
First of all, tell me about the name, Identity Europa.
I gather you call yourselves identitarians.
What's your sense of what that means?
Yeah, so the name Identity Europa, the two components, the two words, really cut to the core of what we're about.
Identity and Europa is obviously...
It refers to Europe.
Europa is the way Europe is spelled in a number of European languages.
So it was a bit of an aesthetic choice that Nathan D'Amigo made to make it a bit more unique.
And Nathan D'Amigo was the first director of the group, right?
Sure, yeah, he was the founder.
Correct. And so we are identitarians.
So as identitarians, we are focused on identity and the role that identity plays in society.
We feel that within the modern era...
Multiculturalism, diversity are being exalted as quasi-religious ideals.
And this glorification of diversity really occludes, it hides the role that identity plays in society and to the fact that if you cram a number of different ethnic and racial groups into the same country quite often,
that leads to conflict.
Well, yes.
Diversity, it seems to always come at our expense.
The majority population, the people who founded and established this country.
You can't have diversity, even if you had people from every country in Europe in a university, for example, or a company.
You could have people from 40 different countries.
It would still not be diverse by today's standards because they'd all be Europeans.
Correct. And conversely, I've seen pictures of all-black city councils that are praised for their amazing diversity.
People say it around these circles quite often, but diversity really just means less white people at the end of the day.
So if modern society glorifies diversity, then it glorifies less white people.
And it's a really sick way of viewing the world.
I agree 100%.
Well, tell me, what is the purpose of the organization?
How do you go about expressing or upholding identity as you define it?
So we engage in a number of things.
Activism is probably the primary thing that we do, and it's probably what most people are most familiar with, because that is kind of our public-facing component, so to speak.
We also do quite a bit behind the scenes in terms of...
Building a nationwide social network, right?
We have local chapters that get together quite often.
People, you know, they get together to do everything from going out to dinner to training martial arts, going to museums, things like that.
And recently, in the past about six months or so, we've really expanded into community service.
And it's been a very promising development.
I think that's something that many people have wanted to see from identitarians and nationalists in America for quite some time.
Well, let's take these three in order.
You mentioned activism and then a certain amount of socializing and then community service.
Could you give me an example of the kind of activism that at End of Europe Europe was known for?
Sure. Well, I think flyering is probably the most common form of activism that we do.
Flyering. Flyering, right, yeah.
Every school year we have a new batch of flyers and we go out and we put those up generally on college campuses simply because that is, you know, we're the...
The battle of ideas, so to speak, is being fought, right?
It's where college students are going in and they're being inundated with progressivism, with liberalism, and with inside-white ideas of many different flavors, so to speak.
And, you know, that has kind of a polarizing effect.
Unfortunately, many white people do succumb to this and they do start to hate themselves and believe that it actually is a moral imperative for white people to become minorities and to be demographically Dispossessed or erased altogether.
But then the opposite side of that coin is that many white people are beginning to question all of this.
They're beginning to question progressivism, multiculturalism, and the supposed benefits of diversity.
So putting flyers up on college campuses is definitely the best place to do it.
It's certainly a place where you get a huge reaction.
Absolutely. All you have to do is say something positive about white people, and it just sends the administration and faculty into conniptions, it seems.
And so, yes, that's the kind of place where you hear people talking about how math, science, the scientific method, are a white supremacist, or that civility is a tool of white supremacy, where people are just fed the most arrant nonsense.
And so that seems like an excellent target for something that is sensible.
We do banner drops as well.
Within, I'd say, about the last year or so, it's become a very common part of our activism.
So a banner drop, as the name would imply, involves going out and dropping or unfurling a banner, generally over an overpass, a bridge.
You can hold it up in public and these things.
The banners that we do are generally pretty high quality.
We have pretty Strict guidelines for what kind of banner is allowed to be created and deployed, and we have a guide for how people should create these.
I think you've probably seen a number of Antifa banners where it looks like they've grabbed a sheet and a piece of charcoal and scribbled allegedly on it.
I think at the most recent American Renaissance conference that was the case.
But it's not the case with our banners, so we want them to look good.
I generally send a message that is...
You know, sound from an identitarian perspective, but also has quite a bit of sway with, you know, kind of the broader white public, right?
So hitting on issues like immigration, diversity, things of that sort is better than, you know, perhaps doing banner drops on more esoteric matters.
Well, something else that I very much admired your organization undertaking is the memorials to Kate Steinle in San Francisco and Justine Damon in Minneapolis.
As you know, whenever a black person is shot by the police and there's some sort of controversy about it, there's spontaneous memorials crop up.
In the case of Michael Brown and Ferguson, there was a permanent memorial put down right in the sidewalk.
And people accept this and they see this as a glorification.
Of people who have stood up for the black cause, so to speak.
If a white person is killed by a black person and you memorialize that white person, that's just considered some kind of expression of hate.
Can you tell me a little bit about those memorials and what the reaction to them were?
Well, the reaction to the memorials that we've created has been diverse, so to speak.
Among the broader public, there's generally quite a bit of support when we do these.
In the case of Kate Steinle and Justine Daymond, there is a lot of public sympathy for these people.
Those two women in particular were murdered.
They should be alive today.
And it's definitely very tragic.
So in the case of Justine Daymond, for anyone unaware, she was the Australian-American white woman who was...
She was 40 years old.
This was in Minneapolis.
She called to the police because she thought someone was getting, I think, attacked or raped in the alley.
And when the cops showed up, she went out there to talk to them wearing her pajamas.
And this immigrant cop, this Somali cop, Mohamed Noor, he took out his gun and he fired across his partner's chest to shoot her, and she ended up dying.
And, you know, at the time that we created the memorial for her, he was still refusing to cooperate with the authorities.
That has since changed, and that's a positive development.
But what essentially our members did is we had a number of them go to the Fifth Precinct in Minneapolis, which is where Mr. Noor was, you know, where he was stationed.
And they created a very tasteful memorial.
They put out some flowers, some identity Europa materials.
I believe it was a picture of Justine Daymond as well.
And, you know, we posted it on social media.
It kind of made the rounds in local media.
And that led to a full condemnation from Mayor-elect Jacob Frey.
And he explicitly condemned what we did as hateful.
He referred to the, again, the Tasteful Memorial as a hate shrine.
And on Twitter, we posted the top comments from various websites on these issues.
And this story did generate
a bit of media coverage from the mainstream media.
So Daily Mail, BBC, RT, they all touched on this Fox News.
And virtually all of the top comments were in support of us.
And people were very confused as to why such a simple gesture could be seen as hateful.
Well, I think it's like the reaction on campuses.
There was that group that put up these, I think, quite brilliantly conceived signs that says, It's okay to be white.
And this just sends administrations into paroxysms.
And people are bemused.
They wonder, what's going on here?
Why is it wrong to build a memorial to someone who was slaughtered for no reason whatsoever?
So I'm delighted to hear that there was that kind of positive reaction.
I saw photographs of the memorial in both cases.
The one for Kate Steinle as well.
And I thought they were extremely tasteful.
Nothing the slightest bit provocative about them.
So yes, I think that's a great thing.
But to move on to the second activity that you mentioned, which is a kind of socializing, I gather that sort of network building and solidarity.
Tell me a little bit more about that in various chapters you have.
Yeah, well we have a chapter in most major metro areas and for each chapter we have a coordinator and the coordinators are tasked with Facilitating activism and ensuring that a certain amount of meetups happen per month.
When I took over, it was kind of a casual thing.
The coordinators were encouraged to do activism and to do meetups and so forth.
But I started asking around and realized that in many of our chapters, people weren't getting together that often.
And there's definitely a desire for it among the membership there.
Out of the total amount of people in Identity Europa, the activists are generally, I'd say, somewhere around 20%.
Many people have very sensitive careers, they have a lot on the line, and they're not comfortable with going out and showing their face and doing activism.
That's absolutely fine.
I think we need to have an organization and, more broadly, a movement that accommodates for people with different situations.
So what do we have to offer those people?
And that's where the community side of things comes in.
We have frequent meetups where, as I said previously, people get together just to enjoy each other's company, to talk freely with others of like mind.
Because developing identitarian views in a society that is about explicitly opposed to them can feel very alienating.
People can feel very isolated.
And we want people to...
Develop a social network around these views, so it's not just something that you have when you check your phone every few hours or something.
Oh, I agree.
It's tremendously important for people to meet face-to-face.
My friend Sam Dixon talks about how in order to get a flame to rise from the embers, you have to push the embers together.
Push them together and blow on them a little bit, and that's when the flames emerge.
So yes, it's very important to get together.
I think that's an absolutely crucial role, and I'm delighted to hear that you're doing that.
Tell me a little bit about the community service.
Sure. So community service is another thing that's been a newer addition to Identity Europa since I took over.
Many successful nationalist movements and political movements and even just social organizations in the past have garnered quite a bit of success by doing community service.
It's one of those things that is really blameless, right?
It's similar to creating a memorial to a slain woman, right?
It's very hard for our enemies to construe us as these boogeymen when we're going out there and we're...
Looking after the grounds at some historic site when we're going out there and cleaning up parks, delivering food to the homeless, right?
And if they want to spread these allegations of us being, again, boogeymen, then the accusation doesn't stick when you're actually going out there and doing things that are good regardless of politics.
And I don't want Identity Europa to ever just become solely a community service organization.
If we find ourselves in a situation where that's all that we're doing, then we've clearly lost Side of our focus and what we should be focused on, rather.
But I don't think that's the case.
I think that that is just rather an addition to everything else that we've been doing.
And from the broader movement, we've received quite a bit of positive reception from the community service stuff.
I think after certain events and strategies that people employed in the alt-right...
Many in the broader movement have wanted to see something, see these ideas, when they come to life, just be a positive thing.
It can't just be about self-promotion.
It can't just be about publicity stunts.
It has to be about making a difference and making the world a better place, particularly for our people.
Well, I must say...
I have scarcely ever heard a negative word about Identity Europa in the broader movement, in which I have a number of contacts.
So I think all these three prongs of what you're up to are all very effective and I think have rightly won the respect and admiration of people who care about our people and the European identity.
Tell me a little bit about your membership.
You're a selective organization, are you not?
Can you tell me a little bit about the criteria for membership?
Sure. Well, we are somewhat elitist, but not in terms of class.
You know, our detractors like to portray us as being these, you know, highly privileged, you know, trust fund kids flying around on their parents' jets.
You know, it's going down as, you know, written articles talking about us like that.
What are the good ideas like?
I don't know.
I mean, I wouldn't mind that becoming the case at some point, but it's not.
We all have jobs and so forth too.
But, yeah, so we're definitely very selective, but more in terms of quality of character, intelligence, dedication.
We want people who are well-adjusted more than anything else.
I think people are drawn to identitarianism, to nationalism in general, for the right reasons, the wrong reasons, and quite often a combination of the two.
We want people who are coming to nationalism, to coming to Identity Europa, people who want to get involved for the right reasons, because they understand that the future for people like us is going to be quite bleak if something doesn't change.
And, you know, on the other side of things, you have people who are drawn to all of this for the wrong reasons.
And those are people who want to be pariahs.
They want to, you know, they get some sort of satisfaction from being transgressive.
People who just kind of want to scream, you know, screw you to the world.
And perhaps a small amount of that, you know, in young males is to be expected.
But when that is the primary drive, I think it's generally indicative that someone, you know...
That individual has more they need to work on before they worry about getting involved in this.
Well, I must say, my contact with members of your organization has been uniformly positive.
And at the conference that I attended, I was tremendously impressed.
I must say that it's not something exclusive to Enedi Europa.
I've been on a number of speaking engagements in Europe, and I'm struck by how similar the involved, active people are on both sides of the Atlantic.
Smart, attractive, well-dressed, thoughtful, not the least bit crazy.
No, it's very, very encouraging.
Back when I was younger...
The people who ended up doing racial politics of some kind tended to be pretty quirky.
But it's extremely gratifying to see such admirable young people involved in this.
I imagine that you have more men than women, but you accept women as well in Identity Europa, do you not?
We do accept women as well.
I'd say roughly 10% of our membership is female at this point.
Can you tell me what your membership figure is at this point?
Yeah, so we have upwards of 700 dues-paying members.
When I took over, we probably had more than 700 people in the roster, but once we started looking at who was actually paying dues, the number was far smaller than 700.
We are a dues-paying organization.
The dues are pretty modest.
It's $10 a month or $100 per year.
But, you know, if you get enough people in there paying, you know, which is the equivalent of like one to two drinks per month, then, you know, that definitely adds up.
And it's a good way for people, you know, again, who maybe, you know, they don't have a lot of money to contribute to the cause.
They don't even have a lot of time.
But they can join.
They can pay their $10 a month.
They can go to a meetup here and there.
And they still know that they are contributing in some way.
Well, you did talk about the role of non-activists.
Could you tell me a little bit more about that?
Sure. Well, there's quite a bit that non-activists do in the organization.
Some of it we already touched on.
The people that are just very involved in the community, people who come out to meetups when they feel like it, say their family's going to be out of town and they've got the weekend off, they come out to go to dinner or something like that.
But other than that, we have quite a bit for people to do.
Behind the scenes if they want to get involved.
And quite often we do hear, we have people write to us saying they want to work for the cause, but they just can't show their face, they can't do activism.
We have tons of incredibly boring administrative and bureaucratic work that needs to be done.
In terms of vetting people, there's always a constant need to expand our interviewing team.
We have an entire department with very strict guidelines that they need to follow.
There's a whole training process there.
Obviously, one of the most important parts of this organization is ensuring that not only infiltrators don't get in, but that People who are poorly adjusted, people who don't see things the same way we do, don't make it in as well.
So there's an application process that involves interviews?
Correct. Well, certainly the results of that have shown in all the members that I've met.
They seem certainly well-selected.
Do you have any sort of vision, big vision, projects, or where would you like to see Identity Europa going in, say, the next five years, ten years?
Well, I think our goal at this point is to accumulate as much capital as possible.
Capital is resources that...
Allows you to affect change, and that's obviously what we're interested in doing.
Now you have social capital, which is defined as networks of people, where obviously every time someone joins Identity Europa and we get them plugged in to their local network, that's building social capital.
Human capital, that's defined as the skills and knowledge that a particular individual has.
So we want to continue attracting people who are educated, who are skilled, who are...
We have quite a bit to offer.
Obviously, we need money.
I'd rather talk about other things, but that is kind of the limiting factor at this point.
And that issue is only amplified by the massive deplatforming that we're facing.
But in the future, we want to get past these lawsuits that we're involved in.
I have the utmost confidence that we are going to win.
We are going to be able to move on.
We want to get things like we're looking at getting a headquarters, even if we're still in the lawsuit, somewhere in the D.C. area sometime in the next year or so.
And we want to have properties all across the country, like the Knights of Columbus or something like that.
We do have to worry about having assets and having the SPLC want to come and take them, so there are precautions that need to be taken.
But in general, I think that if you look at successful nationalist organizations in Europe, from the identitarians to Casa Pound and so forth, they own bars, they own gyms.
And it's not just being able to say that you own these things.
Being able to have places that you own where you can get together.
And, you know, really just foster community, talk about things openly.
It's very important to have private spaces that you own.
All part of that social and other capital that you were describing.
Absolutely. Yes.
Well, these lawsuits that you just mentioned, they derive from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.
Is that what they had to do?
That's correct, yes.
And, well...
It seems quite preposterous to me from what little I know.
They're accusing you of some sort of conspiracy to deny civil rights.
I should think that it's just a matter of toughing this out and batting down those arguments.
And I'm sure that you're right to feel confident that nothing will eventually come of this.
But in the meantime, you have to pay lawyers.
It takes time.
It's really a mess.
How can people help?
Well, people can help by going to IdentityEuropa.com slash donate and giving us a donation.
At this point, unfortunately, PO Box is the only way.
Sending a check, cash, money order to our PO Box is the only way to donate to us.
We are working on a multifaceted payment processor solution, but we've really hit the point, and I think many others in the broader movement have as well, where we can't use any of these platforms.
PayPal, Stripe.
Even the more common payment processors, they have made it their explicit mission to engage in deplatforming against political dissidents.
And it's unfortunate, but it's unsurprising.
The left has been waging cultural war for decades.
And as a result of that, the people running these companies, it doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy.
They've had their minds shaped by progressivism from a young age, a process that It undoubtedly was only accelerated by going to college, and we're seeing the results of that now.
But I do have confidence, again, that we are going to beat these two cases in Charlottesville.
There's the main case, which is Sines v.
Kessler. That is the federal case.
If anyone's familiar with the ongoing lawsuits in Charlottesville, this is the main one.
But other than that, we were recently named in a state-level one.
Now, it's alleging the same thing.
It's equally frivolous, in my opinion.
We're going to fight that one as well.
We're going to try to take it to the federal level, too.
Well, great.
I think that your organization is certainly worthy of support.
And I agree with you 100% that this attempt to silence us, to cripple us, it's just not going to work.
It's not going to work.
And yet it is astonishing in a nation that prides itself on freedom of speech and rugged individualism and standing up for what you believe, that you have all these people who are getting together to say, no, no, not these guys.
Freedom of speech for everybody but these guys.
Just the hypocrisy of it, the cowardice of it.
It is an absolutely shocking thing.
I believe that 20 years from now, people will look back on this era with genuine astonishment and shock at the kinds of hurdles that organizations like yours and that mine as well have had to face with these big companies who just want to squash us.
So I'm 100% confident that we will get through this one way or another.
Well, to close, Could I ask you a little bit about your personal background?
How did you come to this?
I mean, it's a big commitment to be out in the open, put your head above the parapet, say these things that all of our contemporaries are told are thought crimes and pronounced only by wicked people.
Tell me about your background and how you ended up here.
Well, how did I end up here?
So I studied anthropology in college, and I think that...
During my time in college, I began to question the things that they were telling me.
And in my last semester in college, I discovered American Renaissance, I discovered Red Ice, and that really sent me in the right direction.
After I graduated, I got in touch with Henrik Palmgren over at Red Ice.
They made a number of announcements saying that they were looking to expand.
This is around the time that Red Ice Radio turned into Red Ice TV.
I got in contact with Lana.
She had me write some articles on a volunteer basis.
Eventually, that turned into a paid position.
Henrik and Lana have been great employers.
Red Ice is definitely a valuable asset to the movement overall.
And it was around May of 2016 when I got involved with Identity Europa.
And I had been engaged in networking in the broader alt-right in San Diego, where I was living at the time.
And a good friend of mine then was one of the founding members of Identity Europa.
And he reached out to me, told me what it was about, and I decided to join.
So that's kind of...
It's kind of the more recent story there.
But as to how I developed these views in a more broader sense, when I was a teenager, I really had the feeling that something was profoundly wrong with the world and that what I was being taught was not correct.
So initially that led to kind of entry-level things like being concerned about the bankers and stuff like that.
Obviously there's definitely some truth to all of that.
And eventually I found...
You know, things about the truth about race, about identity, and so forth.
So that's how I'm here.
Well, I'm glad to hear that American Renaissance may have played some small part in opening your eyes.
Well, that's great.
I agree.
I think Red Ice is a wonderful organization.
I think it is great.
And it's something that's happened within maybe the last five years.
We've seen just a burgeoning, a proliferation of really great, solid, well-run, effective organizations that are getting our message out.
And so this is, believe it or not, I mean, some people...
Take a rather short-term view of this.
For a guy like me who's been around as long as I have, and I've been doing this for more than 25 years, we are really on the upswing.
This is a very, very encouraging time.
And so, okay, we get deplatformed.
Somebody kicks you off Twitter.
These things happen.
But in the broader sweep, we are definitely on the upswing.
And I'm convinced that your organization, Identity Europa, has got a very important role to play in this.
Absolutely. So, I wish you every success and appreciate very much for taking the time to come into the studio.
Yeah, thank you for having me again.
Real pleasure.
Thank you very much for watching.
For those of you who are interested in knowing more about Identity Europa, their website is www.identityeuropa.com and that's spelled E-V for the first two letters rather than E-U.
Also, please be sure to subscribe to the American Renaissance YouTube channel and please visit our website at amren.com.
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