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March 23, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Women in the Alt-Right
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and we're delighted to have in our studio as a guest today, Lana Lochteff.
She is one of the two presiding geniuses of Red Ice Television, the other, of course, being Henrik Pahlgren, and we're delighted to have you.
Please, welcome.
Oh, thank you.
I'm honored to be here.
We're big fans of you, Jared.
Well, as you know, in our movement...
It tends to be more male-oriented, but then every dissident or revolutionary movement is for that matter.
If you think of even all the way back to Martin Luther or Galileo or Lenin, all of these people, even any dissident movement is generally started by men, and then it's only later that the people who are wanting to change society are joined by women.
So you are definitely one of the pioneers.
Oh, jeez.
Yes, we're delighted to have you on our side.
Oh, thank you.
And we'd like to talk about women in our movement today and the role that they should play and your thoughts on that.
And I heard you give a talk on that some weeks ago, and I was so impressed that I thought I should have you in the studio to elaborate on some of those ideas.
Well, thank you.
And I think one of the points you were making is that the so-called women's liberation movement...
Just seems to be making women unhappy.
Why do you think that is and what should they do about that?
Well, you know, a lot of feminists, they like to point to, you know, two centuries ago.
They think that that's when all of history started.
They forget that and they think that women were oppressed and held down and men treated them awfully.
But all throughout ancient...
In Europe, women have traded in the marketplace.
They've had partnerships with men.
I mean, there was even pagan female deities, for crying out loud.
Women were never oppressed.
And then here comes feminism, and they say that they're liberating women, but liberating them from what?
Liberating them to be able to go work in the coal mines?
Because really, I mean, there weren't the same kind of jobs like we have today of the Kush, you know.
Fortune 500 jobs.
I mean, it didn't exist back then.
Men worked in the coal mines.
They worked in the Industrial Revolution.
I mean, no women wanted those jobs.
So really, I mean, when you look back, feminism was a Marxist, you know, bourgeois, upper class, you know, bored housewife kind of...
A little play thing, you know.
Most women were too busy working and surviving.
They had their children.
They had partnerships with men.
They weren't thinking about these things, you know, but a lot of these bored housewives were.
And then you also had the element of women who were Outcasts and spinsters and, you know, the minority rule as we have it now.
They were being so loud about, we're oppressed and we need to be held up in society.
And it's funny because it's usually the ugly women that are always complaining about the beautiful women, right?
You know, and how women are treated.
And it's just hilarious.
But then came the Industrial Revolution and women were actually forced into the workplace.
You had feminism, you had Industrial Revolution.
Economically, women had to go to work.
And they had to go work in some of these awful jobs.
And they had to go build weapons during World War II.
I mean, is that liberation?
For me, it's not.
But thinking in terms of today, what is it that women really want and why are they miserable?
I think they're miserable because now they're forced to...
Take on kind of more of a masculine role.
They're acting like men.
They're having sex like men.
They're working like men.
They're competing with men.
And they have this black and white view of what history was.
That it was always, you know, men basically holding women down like all the movies show.
It's just, it's very narrow-minded view of history.
And now here we are today.
You know, women are encouraged to be like a man.
And now they're miserable.
But what is it that women really want?
And I've said this before.
They want to be beautiful.
They want to have a lovely home.
They want to attract a mate.
They want to be provided for and taken care of.
And I think that's what the alt-right can provide.
Nationalism provides.
Well, I think, yes, they want a family.
They want children.
And I think women understand that almost instinctively, whereas for men it's something that comes almost as a surprise, at least in my case and some of the men I know.
I was skeptical about being a father.
I wasn't sure this was going to be such a great thing, but it's been the greatest thing I ever did.
I've heard that from a lot of men, actually.
Yes, and I don't understand.
I felt like saying, why didn't anybody tell me?
This is going to be so great.
I have only two children.
I wish I'd had five.
But having children, being part of a family, the kind of love that you find in a family context is just the greatest thing.
Exactly. Men need to understand that.
Whereas I think women have at least some sense of it.
For men, at least for me, it was all a big surprise.
And sadly, there's a lot of women that are kind of finding out too late.
We're being programmed to not have kids, pursue these more masculine pursuits, and then they find themselves 45 and alone, not having kids, and that's a miserable way to die.
And then on the flip side, you have these women who have had kids, but now there's an interesting intersect, as we've seen here in the suburbs in Virginia, where it's the women that are having kids, they live in these suburbs, and it's almost like we're united under Coca-Cola, united under the shopping mall, and it's like feminists have liberated us.
From what?
Now we can all go buy Coca-Cola together and raise our kids in the strip mall and be multicultural together.
It's funny because those early Marxist feminists were actually anti-capitalists and now here we are and they love it.
Well, they love us being expert consumers or even duped consumers.
In any case, primarily consumers.
But it's true.
I was at Yale with the first group of women who were admitted at Yale.
And I remember going back for my 10th anniversary.
And meeting some of these women who had been, they had been touted by the press as these sort of super women because there were so many women who had applied to go to Yale that they could really get the cream of the crop.
And so they were all in these high-powered careers, no husbands.
No children.
And by 10 years later, they were being a wonder, well, wait a minute.
Have I been sold a bill of goods?
Did I make the right decision?
It was really rather poignant for some of them.
Of course, by then, they were maybe 30 years old.
They still had a chance.
But a lot of women, you know, they get on that track.
And then before they know it, oh, my gosh, I'm too old.
It's interesting, too, that Angela Merkel, Theresa May, no children.
A lot of the first prime ministers was in Canada, the female one.
You had Australia, New Zealand.
I was looking and I was like, well, there you go.
They're more male-brained.
They haven't even had children.
So you find the women that are hardcore into politics and driven are quite masculine-brained.
Yes. I think, is it not the case that most women are not that impassioned about politics?
What do you think?
Oh, absolutely, Drew.
I think that women are easily influenced.
They go with trends.
They kind of go with the times.
I think most women aren't political by nature.
They don't care about politics.
I think liberalism's caught on because it's socially acceptable.
But when I actually talk to women, your average women, I find that I can easily convince them onto our side and just kind of challenge them on certain things, impress them on certain things.
They're not used to being challenged.
You know, on certain double think.
But yeah, generally it's a masculine area.
Women don't really care to go into politics.
But I think that nowadays women like me are having, we're kind of forced to go there out of a dire need.
It's a scary time.
You know, our countries are under attack, our people under attack.
And so we're being forced to step up into these positions and to help our husbands and to help our people in different ways.
And we're not just in the kitchen basically and taking care of the kids all.
Well, as much as we'd love to be able to do that, there's other things that we have to do now because we all have to be fighting together.
Well, those of us who are dissidents, who are, in effect, trying to overthrow the existing system, and so we're objectively revolutionaries, we need all the help we can get.
And the help we can get at home is just as vital as the help we get anywhere else.
Yes, of course.
But, you know, what you were saying reminds me of a line from a book by Thomas Hardy called A Pair of Blue Eyes.
And it's a discussion between a man and a woman.
And the man is saying, men seem to think they have to change the entire world in order for them to be comfortable in their little corner of it.
Whereas women are prepared to make their little corner comfortable.
They're not so concerned about the world at large.
Whereas men have this political view, women tend to have sort of a nest-building view.
Oh, absolutely.
And I think that's unquestionably the case, despite what we're told over and over and over again about how men and women are essentially interchangeable.
And until that's threatened, until their beauty, family and home is threatened, I don't think that they're going to become political.
Once they're like, oh, now I have to fight for my kids and fight for my home, then they'll step up and fight back against a lot of the anti-white policies.
But right now, it's not threatening enough.
Well, yes.
But you wonder, what's it going to take to be threatening enough?
Of course.
When you look at what's happening in Zimbabwe or South Africa, and you would think, surely, that's enough to radicalize every single white person, male, female, adult, child.
But we seem to be a very patient and deeply...
Basically deluded race.
Tolerant, deluded, whatever you want to call it.
Yes. But, well, so why do you think that the dissident movement, the white advocate movement, is beginning to attract more women?
Because it certainly seems to be doing.
And young, attractive women who could be a success in any field they chose.
I think there's a couple things.
You know, when you go to these conferences, there's a lot of young, attractive men who are unapologetic.
They're fierce.
They're protective of women.
I don't know.
They're not your typical left-wing kind of limp-wristed guy.
And that's what the left is really pushing right now.
You know, there's a limp-wristed guy who wears a t-shirt.
Refugees are welcome.
You know, he tries to dress like a lumberjack and he can't even swing an axe.
No woman wants that.
A woman wants a guy who can take care of her.
A real man.
Yeah, like a real man.
The other thing is they're pushing, the left is pushing these beauty ideals of, you know, purple-haired, overweight feminists as beautiful and no truly attractive women wants to be associated with that.
I mean, usually beautiful women want to be with other beautiful women.
You know, that's always how it is.
There's always, the pretty girls always hang out with the other pretty girls.
That's right.
But yeah, so also I think that there's a lot of beautiful, attractive women who live in diverse neighborhoods and they're starting to see the realities of multiculturalism in crime, in rape, in tension, in being catcalled on the streets.
Their life is starting to change for the worse and it's starting to click in their head like, okay, this is not going to be good for me, for my future, for my interests, for what I want.
And now also it's been that there's these other foreign women coming in and they're kind of taking priority, whereas white women in our countries have always been.
And held up on a pedestal and that's slowly being taken away too and I think a lot of women don't like to see that happening.
And I like to think that women, perhaps more than men, think in terms of succeeding generations too.
That even if they're not married, even if they don't have a steady boyfriend, they're thinking in terms of what will my children be experiencing as they grow up?
So as they see things changing around them, as I often say, I think reality is the most powerful red pill there is.
That's right.
You just walk down the street and you begin to realize that what you're being told is just a bunch of complete foolishness.
But the press seems to act as though there are no women like you at all.
They depict our movement as just these angry men who are confused and lashing out.
They really haven't got the picture at all, have they?
No, no.
They always portray that the men are, you know, neo-Nazis or uneducated or from the trailer park.
Well, they need to cover up the fact that women exist because then it makes it a real movement.
They want to portray it like this is a movement where it's just men in their basements.
There's no women involved because when women get involved, they inspire men.
They create men to be, you know, fearless.
They want to be warriors.
Women also have the children.
They raise the children.
Women also attract other women.
I mean, you have to have women in a movement to be successful because you're having children.
The whole idea is having partnerships coming together.
And they try and portray the women that are associated with it as either...
They're in a cult or some kind of weird religion or that they're abused or that they're weak.
So the women in the alt-right really do throw off the press and we're the last kind of women that they want to say exist and are a part of this movement.
Yes, it's certainly true that the presence of women kind of humanizes and also almost justifies a movement.
If there are women, it can't be all bad.
I think there's this sort of sense that women are a humanizing and softening aspect of things.
For a while, we had a woman working in the office and we always put her voice on the recordings and she would answer the telephone.
And because it gives a sort of sense of legitimacy.
You don't have all these hard-boiled men.
Yeah, it makes it softer to hear.
It's easier for people to hear a hard message when it's a soft, good-looking woman saying it.
It's just a fact.
Unquestionably. Well, do you have ideas for, say, marriage?
How would the proper alt-right or white advocate or racial nationalist marriage look, in your view?
Yeah, I've seen all kinds of different ones, people coming from various backgrounds, and they're waking up together.
But I have to say...
Alt-right unions are very different than, let's say, maybe possibly your generation, where some men of your generation, the wives weren't entirely on the same page 100%, or some things you couldn't tell your wife, maybe.
I find that, well, maybe not in your case, but other people's cases.
It'd be hard to conceal what I was talking about.
But I find that a lot of these new alt-right unions that are formed, they're 100% on the same page and equally committed to a future for white children and white homelands, and they're on the same page.
But how would she be?
She would be someone who's still well-rounded and reads and is interested in fighting back against anti-white politics.
She keeps a nice home.
She raises the kids well.
She teaches them about their tribal ethnic consciousness.
She has a good marriage.
But then also she might have time to do a blog post or a video or produce something here and there to fight back against anti-white politics.
And we're seeing a lot of that.
A lot of the women that I interview, they're mothers, they're wives, you know, but they still have time to crank out a little video or a little blog post.
And so that's that's been very helpful, actually.
I'm quite impressed by the number of women on Twitter Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
But you know in a way, you talk about the men and the women being entirely on the same page in terms of their politics, in terms of their devotion to their nation or their race.
That used to be the case.
That used to be the case before we fell.
Victim to all of these mental sicknesses.
That's right.
You used to vote as a household back in the old days.
That's right.
And you used to think in terms of being part of a nation, part of your race.
All of this was taken for granted.
So, in a way, we're having to rebuild.
All of the natural, normal instincts that we've lost in this process of becoming sort of artificial communities and artificial people, we have to consciously do the things that our great-grandparents did instinctively.
So, in your experience, and this is a question that many men ask themselves, what are the sorts of arguments for our movement that are most effective with women?
Start simple and gradually you have to find where her level of truth is at and start speaking from where that is.
I think finding double standards has been really effective in pinpointing those double standards.
It's interesting though, a lot of girls that come to me...
I've liked your content.
I asked a lot of girls in their 20s,"How did you come here?
Jared Taylor!
Jared Taylor!" So something that you're doing in your videos actually works.
You have a soft approach.
I know it's statistics and whatnot, but there's been a lot of women that are responding to it.
But I think also, men have this great...
Power and ability to influence their woman, you know, and fathers of their daughters.
There's a lot of seeds my dad planted in me, you know, young that bloomed later on about politics and things in the world that kind of scoffed up.
But then, you know, later on in my 20s and 30s, and then it blooms.
I think as a father, you always have to be planting those seeds in your daughter all the time.
You never give up because you don't know when it's going to bloom.
That's true.
That's true.
I have only daughters.
I have two daughters, no sons.
And it seems that in households like ours, the sons come to these ideas more naturally.
I think men are simply more willing to take a combative view against the zeitgeist.
They realize that we do have a tribe.
Women are less likely, I think, to take a combative stance, either against the environment, the people who are teaching them in school.
They're less likely to think tribally.
So it is harder with women, harder with daughters.
But I think my policy has been sort of a gentle nudge here and there.
Because I think you can't be beating people too hard about these things.
No, but I think also a good man, you have to be irresistible to where your woman just loves you like crazy and wants you around and is never going to let you go.
And you also, like I noticed with my husband, women tend to be more watery and dreamy.
A lot of men have to teach women how to think, how to see...
More masculine things like sabotage or slight covert propaganda or manipulation.
I didn't think like that until my husband started pointing some of those things out.
So I think it's important to kind of equip women with those tools.
Even if you're watching a dumb show, try and point out some of the propaganda and the manipulation there.
Because once she sees it, she's not going to be able to unsee that.
Well, Lana, you're setting the bar rather high for saying that the man has to be utterly irresistible.
And the woman has to be completely, in fact...
We're perpetuated and captivated by him in order to come along to our ideals.
I mean, that's obviously the ideal, and that's what every man hopes for.
Generally, they will follow the guy.
I mean, if they're in love with the guy, they're going to fall in line with him.
As long as he provides that nice home, I think that she'll just kind of fall into line.
Majority of women.
Majority of women.
Right. The soft women.
And really, when you look at a lot of the liberal women that are very loud and very political, they're not very feminine.
They're not very soft.
It's actually a small group of women, and I think that the media likes to portray like it's this huge demographic, and they do that through trickery, you know, through lies.
And invariably, when you have these sort of brutish, mannish women, you know, you find out if they ever introduce their partner, they've never got a husband, their partner, it turns out to be the This weedy, unattractive, dweeby guy who does what he's told.
Or another woman.
Yes, yes.
So, no, the kind of liberal, liberated couple that we're all supposed to admire these days is, in fact, not an attractive pair of people, I think, to most people.
And there's another thing, too.
A lot of women friends that I had, they became more traditional, a little more conservative, you will hate to use that word, but after they had children.
Oh, I think that inevitably happens.
That inevitably happens.
In my case, being a father just turned me inside out, just in terms of the things I felt, the things I cared about, the way I was around other people.
Until I had children of my own, I thought everybody else's children were just the worst.
These tests.
These perpetual noise machines.
Where's the volume control on this damn thing?
But once you have your own children, then other people's children become interesting and attractive.
For me, it completely changed my view on so many things.
And I also think that, well, I don't know if you know about Hans Hermann Hoppe.
He was a professor at the University of Las Vegas.
He got in terrible trouble for talking about the fact that Homosexuals, because they don't have children, they don't think in terms of generations and generations to come, have a different kind of politics from heterosexuals.
I think that's probably true.
Yeah, I've heard it said, too, that parents make better leaders.
And you look around and there's actually quite a few leaders right now that don't have any children, so they don't really have any stake in the future, do they?
Yes, yes.
No, I think, well, that's often been the conception of the Roman man or the Greek man.
Until you're a man with a family and with children, You're not a complete man.
And I think these days we tend to, if we dare think in those terms, we think of a woman as not being perhaps complete unless she's had children.
But men too, unless you are a father, I think that finally gives you some sense of what the world is really all about.
I know some people who think, well, unless a guy's got children, I don't care what his opinions are on anything.
That may be going a little bit too far.
But there is something about being part of the chain of generations.
And seeing that vividly in your very eyes, that I think does give you a different perspective.
Yeah. I mean, for me, the thought of if you didn't have any children, that's just it for your line.
That's it.
You're gone from the earth forever.
I mean, that's a rude awakening.
That's right.
And somehow the fact that you may have brothers or sisters or cousins, that's not quite the same.
You want really your own.
Which has always been a bit of a surprise to me as to why people were so willing to adopt, you know.
I don't know.
And from Africa nowadays.
I mean, that's a trend.
You go through the suburbs and I see a lot of white women with African and Asian babies and they act like it's the latest accessory and they're quite arrogant about it because it gives them social brownie points.
We are the only race that really cares about the survival and the happiness and health and welfare of other races.
We are the only one.
And we have taken, of course, this Well,
I see...
Where the alt-right is going, if you want to use that term, is politics, obviously.
We're going to be going into politics.
I think right now we're still in the process of...
Recruiting the troops.
It's a big recruitment process now, and a lot of youth are being driven in.
There's a lot of meet-up groups happening, and I think that's the early stages of a movement is getting the people together, recruiting people.
And then from there, synergies flowing.
I hear a lot of young kids now who are thinking about getting into politics or law, and that's good because we need people positioned in all kinds of places and possibly keeping their views quiet so when the time comes, they'll be there.
So I see it going into politics, definitely.
Well, I think politics is vitally important.
I think that when people are talking about meta-politics and saying, well, we have to first change the culture, that's sort of the view of people who have no power and who have no expectation of power.
It's sort of a cop-out to talk about meta-politics.
Politics is where policy changes.
Politics is how you decide who comes into this country and who doesn't, who you send out.
What kind of country are we going to have?
Unfortunately, that is politics.
So we have to get our hands on the levers of power.
And at the same time, culture as well.
And I see, you know, our crowd is very diverse.
We actually are diverse as far as talents and skills and abilities.
I see a lot of artists and a lot of talented people.
So we need that cultural element too.
And I think we need to uphold them and, you know, push those people to be able to rise up to the top there and promote them.
But also in politics simultaneously.
I mean one thing that we're trying to do is create a media network.
Because, let's face it, the left media as we know it, the right media as we know it, it's boring.
No one cares about it.
It's dying.
I mean, our views is what people want to hear.
Our views is what gets attention.
Our views is what the youth are starving to hear.
Our views is what really liberates people when it clicks.
They're just, ah, I mean, you see it in them.
They feel like set free and like, oh my gosh, I have a home of all these people here that I can go have a brotherhood and a sisterhood with, finally, people that watch my back.
And it's kind of become almost like a spirit.
It's a spiritual experience for a lot of people, I hear it.
A lot of people have been isolated, they're alone, they're surrounded by Marxists and then they find us and it's like they've joined this big family and once they find that, they don't want to let that go.
Well, Lana, we have the advantage of being right.
We have the advantage of seeing things straight.
I almost feel sorry sometimes arguing with people or debating people who have such a deluded view.
How can you win the argument when all your facts are wrong?
How can you win the argument when your understanding of history is completely twisted up?
The truth is on our side and it's interesting because we try and do debates on red ice and look for leftists that will come on, maybe have a panel and debate some rightists.
Nobody ever wants to come on and debate, and it's because they know that they have the losing argument.
I think deep down inside.
And as these orthodoxies fall, they're going to, I think, lash out in all sorts of vicious ways.
So we're going to have some tough times ahead of us, but I'm very confident.
I think the wind is definitely in our sails.
We're moving in the right direction.
It will only make us rise to the occasion.
The more they clamp down, we're going to have to be smarter, fitter, more on top of it.
It's going to inspire and invigorate us to rise to new heights.
So I don't think that they know exactly what they're doing when they're coming after us and clamping down in the way that they are.
They're actually creating more people.
Exactly. In fact, our opponents, by this sort of violence, these wild people shutting down folks who just want to express a certain point of view, all of this campus activism, they're behaving precisely as we would wish.
That kind of idiocy is just sending people into our arms.
But anyway, just to conclude then, can you tell me a little bit about your plans and your projects for Red Eyes?
Sure, yeah.
We're looking to bring on more faces, more correspondence, want to do more produced video segments.
We've already brought on a few people, but we want to offer a variety of content that's basically pro-white content.
We even brought on a girl who does a cooking show, but she does it from our perspective, teaching people about health, teaching people all kinds of...
Anything, really, anything's off the table.
I mean, sometimes we were talking about watching travel shows.
Sometimes you'll just watch an innocent travel show and they'll slip in some kind of anti-white propaganda in there.
Anthony Bourdain and he's cooking and he's talking about in Germany and he's talking about how whites are going to be a minority one day or they're going to mix out and it's a good thing.
So we basically want to be able to provide content with a variety of content that's from our perspective, that's from our spin.
So we're actively recruiting and looking for people to bring on and expand as a media network.
Great, because all you have to do is listen to something like National Public Radio, and you know that every subject can have a non-white message slipped into it.
There can be subversion.
It can be something like, as you say, a cooking show, a travel show, obviously politics.
No, the selection of subjects, the way it's presented, always has that little twist that twists the wrong way that we need to twist back.
And that's how people get programmed.
It's those little comments here and there.
We need to be able to provide a different kind of variety, a different place for people to go and also need to cast the wider net so we're not just preaching to the choir.
We need to find new creative ways to be able to reach.
We need to be brainstorming more creative ways to be able to reach some of those people.
What do we need to do?
Maybe pinpoint our message, streamline our message more, organize it, work with other people in our scene, work together to produce content together, because I think we are stronger together, right?
But we are, actually, as a group, and we see that happening, a lot of us, even though we have individual channels coming together to do different things.
We want to be that central place to help people produce content.
Well, we certainly wish you every success in all your efforts.
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