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March 22, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Fighting Back Against Left-Wing Censorship
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance.
It's my pleasure to have in the studio with me today, Nathan D'Amigo.
Nathan D'Amigo is the founder of Identity Europa.
I think it's one of the most dynamic and effective youth movements in our entire organization, our entire movement.
Racial identity, of course, is crucial to what we're after, and Nathan D'Amigo and the people that he leads are, I think, the spearhead of our movement.
So welcome to our studio.
Thank you very much, Jared.
I appreciate that.
I understand that today, June 25th, you just came in from a free speech rally on the Mall in front of the Washington Monument.
Can you tell me a little bit about how that went off?
That is correct.
It was actually in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
And it was a beautiful event.
We had several hundred people who showed up to attend.
There has been a major issue with us being able to have our voices heard and as well as get our ideas out to the general public.
We have been experiencing over the last year a great deal of violence towards right-leaning people and people that don't even necessarily include race realists such as yourself or as myself.
So it has been...
Fascinating to watch everything unravel over the last several months.
And it was amazing to actually have an event where we were not being shouted down or heckled or really there was no violence occurring.
So it was an amazing experience.
So this was an expression of free speech that was left alone.
And nobody tried to deny you your free speech rights.
Yes, that it was.
Yes. This is an unusual thing.
It's very unusual.
And we may get into this later, but of course these attempts to stifle the free speech of those with whom they disagree, that's an old leftist tactic that goes back to my student days, for heaven's sake, and beyond that.
So this is something they've been honing and practicing for a long time.
But can you tell me who were the speakers?
What was the turnout?
What was the ambiance?
Definitely. I was invited to the event several weeks ago.
In fact, I didn't even think I'd be able to make it, so I kind of turned it down, but people kept getting at me and said, hey, you've got to come out to this thing.
So I spoke.
There were many other members in attendance as well.
Individuals such as Baked Alaska.
He's a guy that's got a massive Twitter following.
He used to do a lot of goofy music videos and stuff like that.
Really jumped on the Trump train.
And then over the last probably five or six months has actually said some very pro-white things, which has been very exciting to watch someone in his position with that much of a following come out and say some positive things,
that he was proud to be white, that he thought it was nothing to be ashamed of, and he's even gone as far as to say that people of European nations.
So that was a huge, huge thing for us moving forward.
Richard Spencer was there as well.
James Alsup, who is also an individual.
I believe he is a college student.
And he came out, and I believe he was one of the organizers of this event.
At least he was doing a lot of background stuff, so credit where credit's due.
And there were a few other people as well.
So the event went very well.
Great deal of speakers, and I would say we probably had about 200 people there.
Well, excellent.
Did it require a lot of police protection?
What was the police situation?
Yeah, there was kind of a barricade between us.
There was another group who had come out who someone had actually told me they were Trotskyites and communists.
But they were not these Antifa terrorists that we've seen in the past who tend to border more on the anarchic side as opposed to the communist side of things.
So there was a counter protest.
However, they did not try to shout us down, which was very surprising to me.
I thought that they would be on the edge of the railing screaming, shouting with bullhorns and sirens and things like that, trying to drown out what we had to say.
And they didn't do it.
So there was a railing there.
There were maybe...
There were about two mounted police officers on horseback.
But other than that, it was a very peaceful event.
Well, good.
So the people in the counter demonstration didn't have their faces covered.
They were not out clearly looking for a fight.
No, no.
Well, excellent, excellent.
Well, it's good to see that we are able to express our views without actually having to bare our fists every time we do this.
Well, we've had to fight for it.
Well, it seems that way.
The fact that we have been prepared to defend our meetings, I think, has conveyed a message, a very important message.
And would you not agree that it has really been since the election of Donald Trump that the left has just blown a fuse and gone crazy with these violent attempts to shut us down?
Would you not say there's been a turning point at that point?
Oh, certainly.
Donald Trump's election was a huge psychological blow to the left.
They have been winning year after year after year.
They have been marching through every institution in our nation and they're simply not used to losing.
And so that was a huge psychological wound to them and they really, most of them couldn't handle it and very much overreacted to Trump's win in the election.
Yes, I think that's true.
They all expected their girl to be in the White House.
They had all gone to bed at night, unless they'd stayed up late, thinking that that was going to be the new era, that they were going to march from victory to victory to victory, and all of a sudden, no.
I agree.
They have been used to winning so much that this...
Let's face it, catastrophic loss for them was something they just couldn't stand.
I understand that there are some people who claim that Hillary herself blew a couple of fuses when she found out she wasn't going to be in the White House, too.
Oh, sure she did.
In any case, it's been extraordinary, their recourse to violence.
I don't encourage violence on the part of anyone, but this kind of craziness, the way Milo Yiannopoulos was met at Berkeley, the kinds of violence and threats of violence that kept Ann Coulter from speaking at Berkeley, the kinds of violence that have met any time our people have been out in any kind of public force,
I think all of this is a way of bringing more people to our side.
Americans don't like that.
If you're in Mexico, there's political violence.
If you're in Turkey, there's political violence.
Not in the United States.
And I think when people see that kind of thing, they're encouraged to look into our side of the picture, not the others.
Well, it's very helpful that we live in the age of social media.
Things were very different 30, 40 years ago when there was a much higher rate of political violence than we've experienced perhaps over my lifetime over the last 30 years.
And back then, these groups, these forces were able to successfully shut down right-wing events, particularly speakers who were discussing race and identity and its centrality to a nation and to a nation's health and a society's health.
And they were able to shut that down.
And in a way, the media...
The media actually collaborated with those individuals.
Sometimes they wouldn't cover the fact that the event was shut down.
Or I think there was too high of a hurdle for people to go about doing the research to find out what those people were actually going out there to say at these events.
Whereas nowadays, everyone has a computer in their pocket and they can pull it out and within...
Probably 20 seconds finds a social media account of the individual who was shut down.
They can follow that person.
They can see what that person has to say on a daily basis.
And that's really changing everything.
So I think we're living in an age in which these anti-dialogical tactics simply aren't working anymore and the left does not know what to do or how to react.
Yes, I think that's unquestionably true.
The mainstream media is still very much on the side of the left.
There's just no way around that.
But I think even the lefties who run the media realize that they no longer completely dominate the story.
They realize that everybody out there with a video camera, everybody out there with a tape recorder or some kind of digital recorder, they are going to have a live version of the event that is going to contradict their pampered and sandpapered and manicured version to suit them.
So we are all making them much more honest.
I think it's an absolutely great thing.
And at the same time, it seems to me that this recourse to violence of the left is one of the best signs of their obvious bankruptcy of ideas.
When you can't win in dialogue, then you have to shut down free speech.
And as I say, it goes back a long, long way.
Now, you had mentioned earlier times in the United States when there has been violence.
In my experience, There were two really different things that led to violence, oh, maybe from the'60s on.
One was the Civil Rights Movement, so-called, the Black Riots, which in many cases had nothing to do really with civil rights, but just a kind of generalized black...
Miscontent, resentment of white society.
And then the Vietnam War.
That led to a certain amount of violent protest as well.
But what we're seeing now, I think, is much more to the point of what is vital to you and me.
Namely, this question of what is America about culturally.
Racially, demographically.
That is the real point, it seems to me, of where the violence is moving, and that just goes to show you, it seems to me, how important our ideas are becoming.
Definitely, and that's actually quite a bit about what I talked about myself today.
I've watched many free speech rallies over the last year, but usually when people put these things on...
All they tend to talk about is the importance of free speech and not actually the ideas that were being censored in the first place.
So I got up there.
I said a couple things about the importance of free speech.
And then I said, you know what?
We're gonna say something radical here and everybody just cheered and I went ahead and I started talking about the importance of race and identity in a nation and why our nation is facing the problems that we are today.
There is no sense of shared collectiveness.
There is no sense of shared identity and this is the result Largely of our immigration policies, the 1965 Immigration Act, and so on and so forth.
And our intentional ignorance, our willingness to shove our head in the sand when it comes to issues of race and identity.
And it was amazing to hear.
The amount of applause from the audience speaking somewhere like Washington, D.C. and openly speaking about these issues because I know that they are things that people such as yourself have tried to talk about for a very long time and have countlessly,
time and again, been shut down when they were trying to say them.
And these were just everyday folks who were out there supporting this thing.
That's excellent.
That's absolutely excellent.
It's all very well to talk about freedom of speech in the abstract, the way the ACLU does.
And occasionally the ACLU gets it right.
But obviously their sympathies are for our opponents, not for us.
And so I'm delighted to know that on this occasion, when you were defending freedom of speech, you were explicit about the kind of freedom of speech that we require for our interests.
And I like to think that if people like Baked Alaska are coming around to our point of view, It is a tribute to the kind of work that you and I have been doing over the years, trying to make these ideas as understandable, as clear, and to wake as many white people up as possible to the crisis that we as a racial group face.
But as far as the whole question of freedom of speech, I probably should tell you a story, an experience of mine, back when I was in college.
That's a long time ago.
This would have been in 1969 or 1970.
And Arthur Jensen was scheduled to speak on campus at Yale.
Now, at that time, I was a good little lefty.
I thought that Arthur Jensen was completely full of mud.
But I was curious to hear what Arthur Jensen had to say, the great demon, you know, see if he had horns and hooves.
And so I went off to the meeting hall, and it was in the evening, and there was all this milling around, and I heard...
It's been shut down.
There have been threats of this and threats of that, and so Arthur Jensen was not going to speak.
Well, all my friends consider this a great triumph.
We shut the bastard down!
At that time, I thought he was a bastard, but I thought this idea of shutting him down was just plain wrong.
I was very disappointed by that.
And yet, in retrospect, that demonstration and that show of force had perhaps the effect that was intended, because I bet if I'd sat there in that audience...
Arthur Jensen would have made a very clear and cogent and perceptive, persuasive case for racial differences in IQ.
Arguments I had never heard up till then.
And I'm guessing that I might not have been the only one in that audience who would have required another ten years of fumbling around to arrive at the truth of some of these things.
So in that respect, when the left succeeds in shutting us up, there is something gained on their side.
But as you're aware, people like E.O. Wilson, all of these people who sort of broke out of the required way of thinking about biology, about race, all of these people have faced the same kind of thing.
And it's fascinating to see the left never outgrows this.
No, and it's actually becoming more difficult as we make gain after gain in scientific research and progress.
There's been countless things coming out recently.
I think the most interesting find over the last several weeks has been that the early Egyptians actually consisted of caucasoids, pretty much.
And this was done through genetic research.
I did research at the Max Planck Institute, where Svante Paabo himself, the man who developed the technique for ancient DNA analysis, actually is the head of the institute and it's the leading anthropology institute in the world.
The fact is...
The idea that the pharaohs were sub-Saharan Africans has been ridiculous from the start.
We have these well-preserved mummies.
You can count their eyelashes.
You can look at them and you can tell that they are not sub-Saharan Africans.
But this is one of those examples in which the left has had this power of intimidation such that Egyptologists who have known the truth for years would rather not Stand up and say what they know to be true because of the kind of attack that they will suffer.
This is the intimidation tactic that, just as in the case of Arthur Jensen back in 1969, 1970, you do manage to keep certain truths bottled up.
And if you can do that by means of violence, then the other side is happy.
And that's why it's so important for us to have a movement, to have something there that emboldens people who are perhaps afraid or have...
Had individuals.
Attempt to intimidate them into silence.
That is why what we are doing is so important, is to embolden people out there who know the truth but don't feel like they have the support, perhaps, of people they work with or of their boss or the faculty at their school.
We need to ensure that in the future, if people, say, are fired and lose their job over this, We should be out there protesting and holding their faculty accountable.
I couldn't agree more.
And that's one of the reasons why I so much respect what you're doing.
You're out in front using your own name.
Your own face on camera.
You're not hiding behind a Twitter account or some sort of false name on YouTube.
I think it's great, and more and more of us are coming out and doing these things, and that can only encourage those who secretly agree with us but are too timid to come out.
It's one thing to be all by yourself, but as soon as there's company, that makes a huge difference for people.
It certainly does, yeah.
But when you think about it, this idea that the left has, For justifying clamping down on the speech of those with whom they disagree.
That goes back all the way to Herbert Marcuse.
Are you familiar with him at all?
A little bit, yeah.
He wrote this famous essay called Repressive Tolerance.
I've read it.
Yes, yes.
Well, then you know his argument was, it's all very well in a capitalist society to claim you have freedom of speech, but there isn't really freedom of speech because the oppressed classes, the poor, and especially the non-whites, all of those people do not have freedom of speech because they just don't have access.
We need to get rid of repressive tolerance and have liberating tolerance.
And what does that involve?
That means shutting up our enemies.
That is the theoretical view that is, if these people even bother to have a theory, the ones that try to shut us down, they go all the way back to Herbert Marcuse, back to the 1950s, you can even go back to the 40s for the Frankfurt School.
In any case, no, I find it fascinating that their solution to the problem of what seemed to them to be incomplete freedom of speech is to deprive us.
A freedom of speech.
But that's leftist logic for you.
Yeah, definitely.
Cultural Marxism, it really is part of that and has reached into every orifice of our society, every institution.
And it is strange to a lot of people that these individuals who hold this victim ideology, this slave morality, as Nietzsche calls it.
They are constantly justifying, morally justifying their aggression because they are claiming to be victims.
And it looks very odd when, and I just actually sent out a picture of this on Twitter yesterday, a very famous shoemaking company called Doc Martens had a rainbow color boot.
And it said, the advertisement said, you know, wear these with pride, basically.
And it's very awkward, I pointed out, it's very awkward for these people who are saying that they are oppressed to have corporations falling over each other to advertise to them.
Well, I know.
The idea that somehow people on the left or minorities or illegal immigrants are so courageous when they speak out, when no one is trying to stop them from speaking out.
All of these attempts to stifle your opponents, they invariably go from left to right.
I can't think of a single occasion on which anybody at our end of the political spectrum, certainly not in my memory, has ever tried to stifle a group of the Students for Democratic Society, for example, or tried to shut down some sort of meeting, just a peaceful meeting that was being held by Antifa or any leftist groups.
It never happens.
In fact, historically speaking, you can go all the way back to the McCarthy era, and even at the height of the Red Scare, the American Communist Party had no We have no trouble renting a hotel ballroom and holding a meeting.
No one would have thought of trying to violently shut down a meeting of this kind.
And it's ironic that the left seems to think that we are fascists, that we are the descendants of the Italian roughnecks and the SS, all these horrible violent people they associate with the right.
Violence comes from the left in this country.
Well, I'm sure with my last name, a lot of people who usually think it's Italian, it's actually Greek, but I'm sure with my last name they probably use that as well to say there's some sort of link there.
But I think it's because that me and you and the rest of those on the right, we see free speech fundamentally as a tool to reach a better conclusion as a society, as a whole, to direct our democracy,
or in the case of America, our republic.
And we see it very differently from the way that the left looks at it.
Well, I think the left really just doesn't believe in free speech.
I mean, they're quite straightforward about it.
No free speech for fascists, they'll say.
Or they will even say such things as, your silence...
Is violence.
And the people who at Berkeley shut down Milo and who shut down Ann Coulter, they were saying that they were preventing violence.
And so far as I can gather, the thinking runs like this: that any kind of what they would describe as hate speech that will lead to violence, that will lead to the gas chambers, that will lead to genocide, and therefore, actual physical violence is justified if you can stop hate speech,
which will lead to even worse violence.
It's very Orwellian.
You get lost in these labyrinth of how they justify.
They say our speech, since our speech is in effect violence, then they are just reacting to our violence by being violent with us.
Well, Jared, when you're so intelligent that you know it all already, there's nothing left to talk about.
I guess that's it.
Well, it's like the Francis Fukuyama work after the fall of the Soviet Union.
The end of history.
They had it all figured out that it was going to be this way.
It is astonishing the arrogance of these people who think because we are right, we know we are right, we can actually break heads to keep people from disagreeing with us.
Well, it's fascinating that you bring up Fukuyama because Richard actually mentioned that in his talk today and he actually announced the beginning of history.
Well, I think that's a little arrogant too.
History has been going on for a long time.
Certainly. But we like to think that...
That we are in the process of redirecting, if not history, at least some sort of American policy or European policy back towards some sort of fair recognition of our legitimate rights.
And it sounds as though the meeting that you all had today was a great blow struck both for that purpose and for the more abstract purpose of freedom of speech, even for people like us, for heaven's sake.
Definitely. Definitely.
It was huge.
And we have been making major strides.
And so it's just seeing where we go from here.
I think sky's the limit.
Next semester, we're going to be out on college campuses again.
We're going to be making huge moves going from just putting up flyers and randomly talking to students here and there.
We're going to have much larger presence on campus next semester.
We're going to be setting up tables, putting up banner stands behind us with pamphlets and thumb drives, handing out information to students who are in desperate need of critique of what their professors
Well, this is wonderful.
You are probably taking the fight to the most difficult terrain.
American universities are the most virulently, relentlessly leftist places probably on Earth.
And it's delightful to hear that you are going to not only take the fight to the enemy, but to redouble your efforts and make an even bigger splash.
I think that's going to be great.
So, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for watching.
And I told you...
That Nathan Domingo was the head of one of the most important organizations in our movement, and I believe he proved it today.
Thanks so much for watching.
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