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Aug. 10, 2018 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

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‘A Giant Iceberg of Hate and Lies’

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	Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of Radio Renaissance.
	I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and on the line is our ever reliable, ever faithful, ever insightful Paul Kersey.
	And as usual, we have so much to talk about that the hour or so that we allot ourselves is not going to be enough.
	But we do promise this time around to set aside some time at the end to answer Listener questions, which have been coming in in a quite gratifyingly large number.
	Very good and excellent questions, and we promise we'll get around to some of them.
	But I think what really has to be the main news of the week is this concerted deplatforming of Alex Jones and InfoWar.
	After all, when Apple, Facebook, YouTube, Pinterest, Spotify, LinkedIn, MailChimp, All, essentially within the same 24-hour period, banish Alex Jones, either permanently or for some unspecified amount of time, for so-called hate speech.
	This is really a very significant thing.
	One measure of the significance of Alex Jones, do you know how many subscribers he had on his YouTube channel?
	I believe he had an aggregate of about 10 million.
	I understand it was 2.4 million.
	Okay, because there were some other people who had channels as well who lost theirs.
	He had developed a number of subsidiaries.
	They had shows and Alex had a website.
	It's a still very popular website, but according to Alexa, Alex Jones's website was in the top 1,000 traffic websites in the United States and worldwide it was within the top 2,000.
	And a lot of his traffic, a lot of the inbound traffic, was coming from YouTube.
	People would see his videos and they'd click to go to the website.
	Or it would be coming from Facebook.
	Facebook, exactly.
	And all of his podcasts on Apple, Spotify, all of these things.
	It's extraordinary.
	But in his channel alone, it was 2.4 million with Billions of views.
	Billions of views.
	So this is a very substantial media undertaking that all of these groups have gotten together to take down.
	And I can't help but think of it as just a remarkable slap in the face of all of these people Uh, these groups are saying, look, you fools.
	This is something we know better.
	We know better.
	And what this man is saying is not fit for human consumptions.
	In effect, you people are either fools or blaggards or not human really, because this stuff is not fit for human consumption.
	Let's take a 40,000 foot view here before we get down into the weeds because this is, I believe, one of the most important stories of 2018 that we've ever spoken about on Radio Renaissance.
	I believe it's that important because this is a moment where we'll see what type of backlash can be created.
	Alex Jones claims that he got 5.8 million new subscribers to his email.
	That's huge if he's able to monetize that email.
	Let's go back a year or a year and a half when people like Paul Joseph Watson, who also works for Infowars, Prison Planet, when people like Alex Jones and those 2.4 million subscribers that he has and those billions of views.
	Their videos were demonetized.
	Let's remember this.
	There were stages of this censorship.
	First, it was demonetizing.
	These gentlemen and their videos, they were able to make a lot of money when it came to YouTube putting videos from advertisers, who then got very upset.
	I don't remember what media outlet it was that said, oh, how dare you guys?
	Have all these fortune 500 companies putting ads before these these videos you know this Paul Joseph Watson guy all he's doing is talking about the harm that mass thermal immigration is doing to Europe.
	Paul Joseph Watson back in 2015 Everybody who's listening to us probably has this built-in perception of Alex Jones.
	He's the guy that put out videos that Building 7 was destroyed, that the World Trade Centers were detonated, that 9-11 was an inside job.
	He infiltrated Bohemian Grove to show that there's this globalist agenda to bring about a One World Order of the New World Order government.
	We talk about Sandy Hook and the conspiracies there.
	That's the type of stuff that a lot of people Immediately think of Mr. Taylor when they think of Alex Jones.
	However, I was paying attention to Alex.
	I've always liked his style.
	He was always putting money that they made back into production, and he had a very sleek production.
	They were utilizing all the technology that existed.
	And it's only four years ago, Mr. Taylor, that the internet was the Wild West.
	There weren't There weren't restrictions so you were able to utilize these platforms that now he of course was unceremoniously dumped from.
	Alex Jones was able to really augment his audience and he and people like Michael Savage developed a relationship.
	In fact, Michael Savage had his own show and they did an amazing interview where Alex didn't really talk about conspiracies.
	He just kept talking about immigration and Anti-white violence, an anti-white mindset that's taking over.
	This is what Alex started talking about a lot in 2014, 2015, definitely during the election.
	He was talking about the issues that catapulted Donald Trump from a joke candidate to the presidency.
	And I think that is where we have to start talking about the real Alex Jones that they're afraid of.
	Well, Facebook was very clear about it.
	In their notice explaining why they kicked him off, they said, no, no, it's got nothing to do with Sandy Hook.
	Nothing to do with 9-11.
	It is hate speech against immigrants and against Muslims.
	That's why Alex Jones had to go.
	May I quote exactly what Facebook said?
	Yes, please do.
	for glorifying violence which violates our graphic violence policy and using dehumanizing language to describe people who are transgender muslims and immigrants which violates our hate speech policies end quote Now, I don't know Alex Jones well enough to know whether or not he ever glorified violence.
	I would doubt that very much.
	He has a very animated way of talking, and maybe if you hunt it high and low, you could find something that could conceivably be interpreted as something that way, but that's just not his style.
	And, well, of course, we were banned from Twitter, allegedly because of affiliation with a violent extremist group.
	If we're violent, then everybody's violent.
	But, no, it's very important to bear in mind, as you say, most people associate him with, well, I can't help thinking it was rather groundless stuff about Sandy Hook, but that should be perfectly legal.
	But, interestingly enough, that is no longer the charge against him.
	The charge against him is exactly the same one that's going to be brought against you and me.
	I couldn't say it better myself.
	Alex Jones, he got a lot of mainstream attention back during 2006.
	He and Charlie Sheen, the actor, he was on Two and a Half Men, the number one show on television at the time.
	They were talking about 9-11.
	And Alex Jones went on, I want to say The View and a couple of other really big mainstream shows at the time.
	And at that point, he was promoted.
	He wasn't being silenced.
	He was given a microphone because, again, he was making all of this stuff All the right-wing people who read his site look like the whole proverbial tinfoil hat wearing goofballs who are easy to dismiss because, oh, you believe any conspiracy.
	But as Steve Saylor noted, hey, there was a conspiracy on Monday that Alex Jones was a victim of.
	And it was all of these major tech companies.
	Facebook, Apple, Google, Spotify.
	Hey, think about what that acronym actually spells there.
	For a second, we can laugh.
	Anyways, as he noted, but those companies all colluded together.
	And what did they do?
	He's gone now from them.
	Yes, yes, he is certainly gone.
	And despite the fact that not all that long ago, the future president of the United States sat down with him and had a discussion.
	What, a half an hour interview?
	It was a half an hour interview that Matthew Drudge put above the fold, above the Drudge Report.
	It was an incredible interview.
	Alex was talking about only a couple subjects.
	American sovereignty and immigration.
	It was these topics of fighting back and fighting for the American people.
	You know what?
	The President actually, you and I, we've talked about this on this podcast.
	Those are some of the main things he keeps going back to.
	I think it would be a disservice if some of us, some of our listeners, would dismiss Alex Jones as being, oh, he's just a guy again.
	How dare he talk about Sandy Hook and ask questions?
	Why do you care about 9-11 and all this stuff?
	He wasn't.
	He had stopped that.
	He had taken his show in a different direction.
	And that's what he's being punished for.
	And now, some of the reactions to the banning of Alex Jones are quite fascinating.
	Here is Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut.
	Needless to say, a Democrat.
	And I'm quoting him, Infowars is the tip of a giant iceberg of hate and lies that uses sites like Facebook and YouTube to tear our nation apart.
	These companies must do more than take down one website.
	The survival of our democracy depends on it.
	Democracy depends on silencing people with whom Chris Murphy, Senator of Kentucky, disagrees.
	This is astonishing.
	And he says that's the tip of the iceberg?
	Well, I guess deep down there somewhere is certainly Paul Kersey and Jared Taylor.
	We're part of that iceberg, presumably.
	He wants every last one of us gone because we threaten democracy.
	A variety of points of view in this guy's twisted world is somehow going to threaten representative government.
	You know one of the interesting things you look at all the all the sources and all the platforms I mean these are these are companies that no other entity can dare compete with because what these companies will do is when they have an opportunity like what Google bought YouTube a number of years ago to combine those so Alphabet which is the parent company of Google and YouTube that's one company And you talk about Apple is constantly buying up smaller
	startups.
	Facebook owns Instagram.
	I don't believe Alex, I don't know if Alex has an Instagram or if it's been taken down yet.
	I know the Pinterest is gone.
	But you talk about how there is no way to compete.
	I mean, God bless their souls.
	The good people of Gab are doing everything they can to try and build up a platform.
	But they are fighting a battle because what makes Twitter so great, which is a platform that Alex is
	currently still on, although there are efforts to get him off.
	And in fact, the journalists, Gregory Hood always talks about how journalism really
	doesn't exist to check power.
	It exists to.
	ensure that those in power stay in power.
	So they're writing articles continuously lambasting Twitter for not getting rid of Mr. Jones.
	Well, except they certainly don't want Donald Trump to remain in power.
	They have this very clear idea as to who they want in power and who they don't.
	But yes, it's quite interesting about Twitter.
	And, interestingly, Jack Dorsey, the head of Twitter, came out and said, look, we still believe in free speech.
	And he has been roundly attacked just yesterday in the New York Times in an opinion column by Kara Swisher, who is a contributing opinion writer.
	And she's very annoyed that Twitter hasn't jumped on the bandwagon.
	And he says, Jack Dorsey, when he says he hasn't violated our rules, she says, come on, the point of rules is, and I'll quote her, to have value.
	She says, values would require that Twitter make tough calls on high profile and obviously malevolent figures, including tossing them off as a signal of its intent to keep it simple, keep it civil.
	So it's somewhat odd for Mr. Dorsey to be lecturing the rest of us about principles at this moment of high agitation brought on in no small part by the twitchy, meaner-than-ever screamfest of Twitter itself.
	What's going on here?
	This woman, Kara Swisher, is blaming Twitter for the present mentality of hostility.
	Again, I mean, I have repeated my quandary on this question many times.
	I do not understand why someone who has a Twitter account, which you can choose to subscribe to or not, how is that a threat to anybody who doesn't want to listen to you?
	There was a CNN author, I don't remember her name, but in a piece about the whole aspect of this controversy, of just the platform and Mr. Jones, she argued this is a great step toward classifying hate speech as terrorism.
	That was actual words.
	I'm working on a piece for VDARE.
	Again, what happened to you, you were one of the congenial, genteel voices of reason.
	That's why a lot of people believe you were kicked off of American Renaissance.
	I'm sorry, you were kicked off of Facebook, American Renaissance was kicked off in your account.
	Conversely, Alex Jones is somebody who has a lot of audio over the years that can be selectively edited to make him sound far worse than he's actually sounding in that soundbite.
	As you noted at the beginning of this podcast, it wasn't because of all these controversies around saying that no one died at Sandy Hook or that David Hogg and the kids down at that school in Florida were crisis actors or any of these conspiracies.
	Alex, he built up an audience based on a lot of that stuff, but then he saw the way the wind was blowing and he switched gears and his platform grew immensely.
	I mean, look at it this way.
	His channel, his website, and all of the platforms he was on, he was rivaling CNN and Fox News in their reach.
	I mean, you said billions of views.
	That's right.
	Billions of views.
	It doesn't matter if people are watching static television and when a programmer is on from 8 to 9, you want to watch Tucker.
	You could watch Alex Jones's videos at any time and be educated about any topic.
	And then guess what?
	When it's over, there's going to be another suggestion of what to watch next on a similar topic with Alex doing another fantastic interview.
	And all that is Gone.
	That's right.
	Gone.
	You know, the part of it that is not gone yet is Paul Joseph Watson.
	They haven't taken him down yet.
	I wonder why.
	I think Watson, I've watched several of his videos, well quite a few of his videos.
	I think he's brilliant.
	I think he puts the case as convincingly, as persuasively, with all sorts of animations and film clips and things.
	I think he's really quite a brilliant A polemicist, if you will.
	He could be a news anchor of sorts.
	And surprisingly, he hasn't gone yet.
	We're not saying that InfoWars was a race realist site.
	I believe that they were the best civic nationalist site that was taking people to an understanding that this is not going to work out.
	They were highly effective in documenting the terrifying role of Antifa in silencing people all across the country, whether it was at the inauguration back in 2017, The Battle of Berkeley, all the stuff that's transpiring with this violence that is being driven top-down by the mainstream corporate media in a lot of ways.
	And, you know, what you thought about Paul Joseph Watson?
	Guess what?
	He wrote a book back in the mid-2000s about 9-11 conspiracies.
	And then here's a guy now who is one of the more important people documenting the devastating effects of multiculturalism, Islamic immigration, and third-world non-white immigration into Europe on the planet.
	No, he is certainly not a white advocate.
	In fact, he has criticized people who are white advocates.
	But he comes right up to the line and he presents information.
	And that's really all I care about.
	So long as the data are out there, people will draw their own conclusions.
	I think he's a great step in our direction.
	And I'm very surprised that he's still up.
	But I must say, Despite all of this raving by Kara Swisher of the New York Times, who, well, she concludes her piece that I was talking about earlier with these words, Will Mr. Dorsey ever stand up to the uglies to protect the rest of us?
	Gosh, as if it's his job to protect all of America from people with whom she disagrees.
	This self-righteousness, this arrogance, really is getting under my skin.
	But there are exceptions.
	And I must say that you remember Nadine Strossen.
	I do.
	For 17 years, she was the president of the ACLU.
	And she has really come out strongly.
	She now teaches law at NYU, and she's the author of a book called Hate, colon.
	I mean, okay, she has to call it Hate.
	Why We Should Resist It With Free Speech, Not Censorship.
	Well, that's absolutely the right idea.
	Okay, she is free to think that anybody who stands up for white people is a hater, but she goes on to say that once you start talking about banning hate speech, there are going to be few ideas left that don't offend someone.
	And here, let me quote from her.
	Everybody uses the epithet hate speech for any idea that they hate.
	If that becomes a standard for what we're going to hear and what we're not going to hear, we're not going to hear anything at all.
	Given the wonderful diversity of ideas in this society, one person's hate speech is another person's beloved speech.
	I mean, I couldn't have said it any better.
	Good for Nadine.
	No, again, her voice, though, is regrettably, there's a right word, cacophony of others who drown out that same voice.
	I mean, there are a few honest liberals left.
	What we have now, the anti-white mindset has completely enveloped the thinking and the ideology and the Strategies of the left in terms of silencing us.
	Because they can't win.
	A. They're not going to let us on their shows to converse and have the opportunity to interact and debate.
	But then again, as Alex Jones has shown, he had billions of views on his YouTube page.
	You don't need to go on their programs anymore to build an audience.
	And that's why this is such a blow in the face of free speech and in this movement.
	Whatever you want to call it that's moving.
	I still don't think there's a word yet for what we are.
	Because at the end of the day, if you got Alex in a room and you said, Alex, you're not allowed to move until you understand that the Naturalization Act of 1790 predates the Bill of Rights.
	The Founding Fathers, they understood that race mattered more than these silly rights that will go away if the people who founded this bloody country don't exist anymore.
	Because those rights are only affirmed by that people existing.
	I would like to think that Alex Jones could be brought round under the right circumstances, along with Paul Joseph Watson.
	But, we don't know.
	But this leads us to, I think, what was a really excellent story by Gab.
	And Gab, as you say, is doing very important work.
	Correct.
	Standing up for freedom of speech.
	And Gab was talking about this, my new darling.
	I can't stop talking about my new darling.
	Namely, Sarah Jong.
	And she says, look, I'm sorry, and Gab says Sarah Jong has every right to say anything she likes about white people.
	Yeah.
	That's just fine.
	Let them go.
	I mean, let her run her mouth.
	But the people who run Gab pointed out that there are many people, all verified by Twitter, who have said things very similar to what Sarah Jong says, and nobody cares.
	It's only when you start kicking the pets The coddled minorities.
	Then you get immediately banned by Twitter.
	And Gab came up with this list.
	I must say I never heard of any of these people, but apparently they are prominent actors and journalists.
	They've all got their verification blue checkmark.
	But Gab has collected a whole series of people who, for example, Lewis Pitesman, who is Deputy Arts and Entertainment Editor at BuzzFeed.
	They have a screenshot of one of his tweets.
	I hate white people.
	And Jacob Clifton, who also writes for BuzzFeed.
	Quote, nice day for a white genocide.
	Christina Warren, who writes for Gizmodo.
	And you've been admonishing me about not saying things that I should not say.
	She just wrote, F, white people.
	Then John Schluess, LA Times reporter.
	I hate white people.
	Mike Drucker, who writes for Samantha Bee's show and Saturday Night Live and The Tonight Show.
	God, I hate white people.
	Lara Parker, a senior editor of BuzzFeed, writes, quote, straight white men are the worst, to be honest, end quote.
	Matt Honan, who also writes for BuzzFeed, there's a recurring, you have to wonder if during the interview process to write for BuzzFeed, you have to answer, oh yeah, I hate white people.
	Sounds that way.
	Yeah, Matt Honan, who also writes for BuzzFeed, said, quote, in fairness, white people are the worst.
	In fairness, and clearly he's thought about it very carefully, and this is his considered conclusion.
	And then another other of actors and journalists, Jack Mole, Hartley Sawyer, Jeremy Bonner, Sierra Kaye, Ryan Stegman, and Christina Cage, all blue verification check marks, they all said the same tweet.
	Quote, I hate white people.
	End quote.
	That's right.
	I hate white people.
	Now, that's apparently okay.
	Now, most of the people whose names we've listed, I looked at their photographs, almost all of them are white.
	And they all say they hate white people.
	This seems, you know, the more you think about it, it seems like a kind of a one-upmanship.
	This is a way that the fancy white people distinguish themselves from sort of the lower class, boorish, fly-over-country white people who don't hate white people.
	They want to be on the right side of history.
	We hear that all the time and they look at 2016.
	This is an opportunity to, I hate these type of terms, but I don't want to even say it's virtue signaling.
	It's just an opportunity to basically show their moral fortitude in the face of this backlash that's still brewing.
	And again, that's the one thing going back to Alex Jones real quick to kind of end this segment and bring it full circle to what we talked about last week with Sally Jones.
	The establishment promotes those who are the most vociferous in their anti-whiteness.
	You and I were talking last week, and I said, oh no, the New York Times, they're going to double down and defend her.
	And you said, nope, nope, they're going to make the right choice, and they're going to let her go.
	They're fair-minded, and yep, the buck stops somewhere.
	No, no, no.
	We haven't seen how far it, because there is no stopping.
	No, it is true.
	We were actually on the podcast making the recording at the very moment when the New York Times announced that it was going to keep Sarah John.
	And I had said to you, I would bet, and we had not established what the bet was going to be, but I probably would have bet up to $50, $100.
	Wow!
	A lot of money for a tightwad like me.
	I would have taken that bet.
	You would have taken that bet and you would have won.
	Oh, listen to this.
	I did not believe, I did not believe that the New York Times was going to stand by some woman who looks forward to the extinction of white people.
	Well, maybe somebody listening will make a donation in the name of Paul Kersey to America Renaissance to help out their Twitter campaign and their lawsuit against Twitter.
	Maybe someone listening is a good tax write-off.
	So, anyways.
	So, you were right and I was wrong.
	I have to eat humble pie.
	Wow.
	I'm always being disappointed by what I expect people to do.
	Not just the right thing, but avoid doing the spectacularly wrong thing.
	I am often disappointed.
	But, as I said the last time we talked about this, in a way we have to be grateful for the New York Times.
	Now, they have made it clear, they've shouted it from the rooftops.
	We have a double standard.
	We stand by our double standard.
	Thank you, New York Times.
	Now we can disregard any kind of moral judgments you pass on any of us.
	See, it's not really a double standard.
	It's just the standard.
	The more anti-white you are, the better the chance of you being hired to be on our editorial board.
	Seems that way.
	And, you know, this brings me to something that actually took place about a month ago.
	But I bring it up because Ann Coulter wrote one of her brilliant columns about this.
	And this is the fact that James Field, who drove that Dodge Charger at the time of the Unite the Right rally that killed Heather Heyer.
	And again, we don't know exactly what he was thinking when he did this.
	Was this a deliberate assault on the counter-demonstrators?
	In any case, he was indicted on federal hate crimes charges, despite the fact that the woman that he ended up killing is a white woman.
	Now, it was the DOJ that decided to do this and apparently Jeff Sessions himself took a personal hand in the decision to indict.
	Now, on what basis are they calling this a hate crime?
	They have trolled through all of his social media postings and they have found that he wrote things that could be construed as promoting the idea of harming non-whites.
	Well, wait a minute.
	Okay, let us assume that he said hateful and potentially violence inciting things about non-whites.
	He drove his car into this crowd and he hit a whole bunch of people.
	Many of them, apparently there were dozens of people there, most of them white.
	So how on earth is he being accused of a hate crime?
	This baffles me.
	And apparently it took all this time to make this indictment because they wanted to make absolutely sure what his mindset was.
	So, apparently, your act can be a hate crime or not, depending on what sorts of things you might have said in the past.
	This is, of course, part of the problem with George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case.
	They hunted high and low.
	I think, as I recall, the FBI had sent over 50 agents, put them on the job, spread them around the country, trying to find reasons to think that he might have shot Trayvon Martin because Trayvon Martin was But no, they couldn't find any evidence.
	But if they had, if they had, here he is attacked, he is struggling, he's screaming in fear, he fires one round in self-defense.
	If he had said the wrong things, he could have been prosecuted on a hate crime law.
	So, let that be a warning to people like you and me.
	Well, you know how I feel about the whole, you know, Unite the Right event last year.
	Yes, I know.
	In Charlottesville.
	Critical of the event taking place, I would just like to say quickly, I think there's something going on in Washington D.C.
	I've read about this upcoming weekend and I would just strongly urge, there are probably some good people who are interested in going because they think that this is what they have to do.
	You don't.
	Guys, look, there's no point in this.
	We see this with all that's going on with the The Antifa professor who just got probation for three years, he attacked seven people at one of these freedom rallies in Berkeley.
	There's no point in putting yourself out there to confront this type of altercation.
	Remember, Washington DC, they dropped most of the charges against the Antifa who rioted on election day on January 20th, 2017.
	I strongly urge that it's time to rethink everything on the right, and it's time to determine if this act that I'm going to participate in, whether it's individually or collectively with other people of like mind, how is this going to impact our goals and our overall, it's not a movement, whatever it is that we're trying to achieve.
	Well, I would also point out that many of the people who took part, or even who were peripherally involved in the Unite the Right rally a year ago, they have been the subject of civil lawsuits, some of which are likely to be financially crippling, depending on what kind of resources you have to fight them.
	Even if you ultimately win in court, this is a terrible thing to get tangled up in, certainly under the prevailing atmosphere and the prevailing assumptions about who's right and who's wrong.
	Any kind of participation in something like this is a big risk.
	I agree.
	I certainly agree.
	And in the case of this poor Fields, the fellow who drove the car, because of this hate crime charge, justified or unjustified, he could face the death penalty.
	He is not facing the death penalty under the state prosecutions of malicious wounding and manslaughter, maybe first-degree murder.
	They haven't decided yet.
	But for this hate crime, he could face the death penalty.
	You are really stepping into treacherous waters when you associate yourself with this kind of confrontation that can go bad.
	We must move on to another story, and this was the progressive activist conference that's known as Netroots Nation.
	This is a Democratic Party Powwow, happens every year, and apparently it has become one of the obligatory stops for Democrats who are running for, who want to get the nomination for president.
	It was a three-year shindig, I'm sorry, I beg your pardon, a three-day, a three-day shindig, and the central message was, and I'm quoting this from people involved in organizing it, Democrats must abandon the myth of the white swing voter and invest in the multiracial, multicultural coalition of voters that make up the majority of our electorate.
	They're, in effect, saying, forget the white voter.
	Our majority is non-white.
	Forget about the white swing voter.
	The dominant theme, this was the slogan of the entire three-day period, was New American Majority.
	They're really being explicit about this.
	Hard to be clearer.
	And they are saying that the establishment Democratic Party, they have to start talking about race or step aside.
	Now, one of the participants who wasn't the right color, Elizabeth Warren, despite her claims to being an American Indian and you'd think she'd be a POC that would be one of their petted and coddled ones, she stuck to her usual well-honed message of colorblind economic populism.
	Well, Kamala Harris, who is obviously a person of color, she didn't make that mistake.
	She leaned on the whole idea of identity politics.
	She says when white people do it, I mean, she basically says white people do it all the time.
	Republicans are nothing but identity politics.
	So we got to do the same.
	If only Republicans were about identity politics, we wouldn't even have to worry about going out and doing too much money involved in trying to get people out to vote because they'd axiomatically understand, hey, these guys actually are going to defend our interests.
	Now, Elizabeth Warren, this was a terrible mistake she made.
	She says, we can't afford to waste our time arguing about whose fight matters most.
	It's one fight, and we have to stand with one another for one another.
	Well, we have to argue about whose fight matters most, because it is the non-whites.
	And people thought that this was really tone-deaf, given the assumptions that this is talking about the new majority.
	And they're not talking about poor people, working-class people, leftists.
	They're talking about people of color.
	You know, Elizabeth Warren's speech seems like it was written by someone affiliated with the Koch Brothers non-profit.
	I mean, this is the type of speech you'd hear at a Mitt Romney GOP convention.
	And that's the beauty of what's happening with Trump.
	The left continues to believe that Trump only has the support of white people, when polls do show, we have to be honest, polls show that his black support is rising and his Hispanic support is rising.
	And if that continues and if he's able to also get the white vote out and if he's able to go out and campaign all across the country during the midterms and increase the white vote by say five, six percent, you might not see a blue wave at all.
	I mean this is what's going to be interesting here because as the left keeps going on and on alienating what's left of the white males that vote for them.
	Where are those white males going to go?
	They're not going to go to the Green Party.
	They're not going to go to the Libertarian Party.
	They're going to realize that, hey, you know what?
	There's some sensible things being said by this Donald Trump guy who's talking about improving the economy for all of us and trying to do things that aren't going to only benefit one people but all Americans.
	And as you say, when it is clear that the Democratic Party psychologically is giving the back of the hand to white people, Where are they going to go?
	Where are they going to go?
	The Republicans are the only people left.
	Now, at this Netroots conference, they had panels called, with names like, Black Women Teach, and Brown is the New White, and Dear White Progressives.
	I mean, obviously the lecturing white progressives.
	Just sit down and shut up.
	Get out of the way.
	Our time has come.
	And, I thought this was fascinating, of the 28 main stage keynote speakers and panelists over the three-day period, 22 were people of color.
	Only six!
	Only six!
	I mean, we are still the demographic majority, but certainly not in the minds of these people.
	They have already, they're already treating us as if we were a, what is this, Maybe a 20% minority.
	Psychologically, they are already there.
	They've embraced it.
	And this is why this is such a phenomenal, fascinating time to watch all this.
	Because again, going back to what we started talking about in the beginning, Alex Jones is not a white advocate.
	He's not somebody who's out there who wants to take things back to Jim Crow, sundown laws, all this stuff.
	White advocates don't do that either.
	Well, exactly.
	But my point is this.
	Alex Jones was talking about the issues and pushing back against this new American majority, which is a non-white coalition of some of the strangest, weirdest, the transgender stuff.
	The stuff that most normal Americans, when they see these videos of these drag queens reading to young children, they're repulsed by it.
	It's happening too fast.
	And it's happening so shockingly and in a manner where you really can't push back anymore because, again, what five years ago was liberal is now what the Weekly Standard and National Review are saying is the cornerstone of conservatism.
	I mean, my gosh, Weekly Standard is saying, they're publishing articles saying more and more people should be deplatformed as well.
	Well, that's right.
	I'm reminded of one of Ramsey Paul's, I think, very humorous observations.
	He says, five years from now, when the movement is on to defend polygamy, the conservatives will be talking about, oh no, we must not violate the sanctity of gay marriage.
	William Crystal, you're on Twitter, so you didn't see this, but when...
	Alex Jones was deplatformed.
	William Crystal tweeted out, you know, I can't believe it's only white men over the age of 55 who are supporting this president.
	Thank God there's young people of color, women, and immigrants who are going to keep alive the American dream.
	And it's like, hey, Will.
	Mr. Crystal, it's only white men over 55 who are reading Weekly Standard.
	No one's going to build a statue to you, man, for standing up as a never-Trumper and for advocating that the new Americans, these immigrants, these weird identity groups, are somehow more American than you or I.
	Bill, dude!
	Well, you know this Netroots Nation business.
	It was a long story produced by Vice that went into the details on this.
	And apparently, Vice News tried to call up Warren's office and ask just what was her position on the importance of race.
	And Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas Warren, refused to give them an interview on that subject.
	So, she is clearly nervous.
	She's not woke enough.
	It's that simple.
	You see, it may just be that she realizes what the demands are, but she has some sort of intestinal sense of where they're leading.
	And where they're leading is certainly way past her.
	She's not woke enough, and at the end of the day, She might have some of those true, honest, liberal sensibilities.
	And again, she might.
	And looking at what's happening and realizing that if she doesn't start to Co-op some of the language and put that into her sub-speech.
	A, she's not going to have a chance because I've already, you know, I'll go on record and, you know, we can bet $500 that Kamala Harris, I like to say Kamala as opposed to Kamala.
	Kamala was an old wrestler back in the 80s and 90s.
	It's funnier.
	Kamala Harris.
	She is going to be the nominee, guys.
	She's the wokest of the woke, to utilize the nomenclature of the day, and she's going to continue to push and to fight.
	Well, see, I do think that some of these older Democrats, the white Democrats, this dwindling band, I think some of them genuinely do believe, fundamentally, in a colorblind approach.
	They may approve of a certain amount of racial preferences around the edges, but basically they think economic policy, political policy, all of this should be basically colorblind.
	I think that some older Democrats do believe in this.
	And when they are shouted off the stage, which didn't actually happen to her, but it was all this rumbling, she must have known what was going on.
	They're going to begin to wonder, I think, just where is their party headed?
	Now, maybe I'm giving them too much credit in terms of some awareness of what's happening to their detriment, but we will certainly see.
	But I did not want to pass over This heartwarming story about Patricia Okumu.
	Now, I wonder how many of our listeners recognize that name.
	But as soon as I describe what her antics have been, they certainly will.
	She is the immigrant from Congo.
	Who climbed up on the Statue of Liberty on July 4th.
	Now, July 4th, of course, is a very, very busy patriotic day for the Statue of Liberty.
	And the fact that she was up there, it meant that the whole island was evacuated.
	And I think these things are huge overreactions.
	But this was an enormous inconvenience for thousands and thousands of people.
	But Patricia Okumu has now been charged.
	With a number of crimes, trespassing, interference with the government agency, and disorderly conduct.
	Well, she was in court along with her lawyer, Ron Kuby.
	And this is an interesting little legal wrinkle here, but apparently Ron Kuby was asking the judge to ensure that he would not give her jail time if she accepted a plea bargain.
	Now, I didn't know that that was possible.
	In other words, they are setting the conditions of the plea bargain before the plea bargain is even made.
	But, outside the court, Ron Kuby said that Ms.
	Okumu's, quote, non-violent civil disobedience should not be penalized with a jail sentence.
	It should be rewarded.
	Got that?
	This should be rewarded.
	And outside of the courtroom, dozens of supporters were cheering for this woman born in the Republic of Congo, who's a naturalized citizen, by the way.
	I'd be curious to know just what the procedure was there.
	Was it a diversity visa?
	Whatever it was.
	In any case, she rewarded the chanters by saying, no doubt, exactly what they wanted to hear, namely, America, you mother effers!
	You drug addicts!
	You KKK!
	You fascist USA!
	This is the lady, this is the lady who climbed up on the Statue of Liberty and who is being treated as a hero by Ron Kuby Whose disobedience should be rewarded?
	She's a conquering hero.
	Think back to that image of that Muslim woman in the American flag hijab that everyone loves to carry around on placards now, which symbolizes, hey, this is a woman of color who's also a Muslim.
	This is actually the image that the Statue of Liberty was crafted on.
	This is who it really is.
	This is her.
	Now, this woman now rises to this pantheon.
	This new order of women that we're supposed to fall down on the ground to and say, you know what?
	God, this is your country now.
	We're getting out of the way.
	That's right.
	We're getting out of the way.
	We're so sorry.
	And of course, she climbed up on the Statue of Liberty in the name of open immigration.
	So it always is striking.
	If America is nothing but mother effers and drug addicts and KKK and fascists, you'd wonder why she'd want other people to come.
	But apparently she does.
	And then another heartwarming story.
	And here's another name to conjure with.
	Siraj Wahaj.
	Now, I bet you don't recognize that name, but he was arrested just this week in a New Mexico compound where he was teaching 11 starving children.
	These are children he apparently was starving.
	He was training them to carry out school shootings.
	Now, I don't, it seems like an odd, maybe there's some sort of boot camp mentality.
	I don't know why he wouldn't let them eat and drink, but they're apparently quite famished.
	But when he was arrested, He had an AR-15 and four pistols, four loaded pistols, when the police arrived at his compound to arrest him.
	But I'm sure this story will die away quite rapidly.
	Very quickly.
	But this is a significant thing.
	This guy, Wahaj, Siraj Wahaj, he's the son of a prominent New York City imam named, let's see, of the same name, Siraj Wahaj.
	And now, when I first read this story, I thought these were genuine imports, just like Patricia Okumu of One of the Priests, but no!
	The imam was born Jeffrey Karse, K-E-A-R-S-E, a black man who converted to the Nation of Islam and is the leader of the Muslim Alliance of North America.
	So these are homegrown, homegrown American blacks who are going to be training members of their family, young children, to engage in school shootings.
	You know, there was another story that completely disappeared.
	I've tried to find out what happened and the subsequent legal situations back in late 2016 in Birmingham, Alabama.
	There were two blacks who were affiliated with the Nation of Islam, or the Black Panthers, one of the two, who were arrested because they wanted to blow up a school that was about 80% white elementary school in suburban Birmingham.
	The headline was tremendous.
	It was For a day it made some news and then it went away.
	And that's what's going to happen to this story.
	This story is a combination of both.
	You've got both the Islamic angle and you have the radical black angle.
	And so it's got to go away quickly.
	It will go away very quickly for sure.
	And we hope that our listeners will keep it in the backs of their minds.
	Well, do you think we should move on to the questions from our listeners?
	I think we should definitely do that.
	And we have three or four here, all quite good ones.
	And one, it's an interesting one.
	It says, I have a hard time reconciling with the view that both you guys hold and those of Jordan Peterson.
	Well, I'm not quite sure why Jordan Peterson has to be such a competitor to our views.
	Jordan Peterson says interesting things, but I wouldn't necessarily hold that anything he says has to be considered all that seriously.
	But he says, one conflict I see is a tendency for you guys to take pride in white achievement, whereas Jordan Peterson claims that this is taking pride in unearned glory.
	Now, my feeling on this is Yes, I am.
	I am proud of the achievements of my ancestors.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	I'm proud of people who are maybe very, very distantly my ancestors.
	The people who built Notre Dame Cathedral, for example.
	The people of the Industrial Revolution.
	Even the people who... Oh, somebody like Dimitri Donskoy, Who, at the Battle of Kulikovo, turned back the Mongols.
	Yes, these are all relatives of mine.
	Now, I don't make a fetish of it, but entirely aside from taking some satisfaction in the achievements of people of my tribe, my biological heritage, my main motive today is just wanting it to survive.
	We have the right to survive.
	We have the right and the duty to carry forward that enterprise, that idea.
	And for us to not take pride in the achievement of our ancestors would be to make us the only people prevented from doing so.
	Everyone else takes this for granted.
	Why should only whites be barred this?
	And I suspect that Jordan Peterson, Jordan Peterson takes this view that, oh, this is taking unearned glory because he realizes that he's coming close to some of our ideas, but realizes that he must not step across the line into really, genuinely forbidden territory.
	What was that great line from The Lays of Ancient Rome?
	I think it's the story of Horatius standing at the bridge and it's the gentleman by the name of, I'll butcher his last name because I'm horrible at pronouncing last names, Thomas Babington McCullough?
	McCullough, yes.
	I've always loved this.
	Then out spake brave Horatius, the captain of the gate.
	To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late.
	And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his gods?
	That's right.
	Now, Mr. Jordan Peterson, I'd say that that is a reason why a lot of people actually decide to fight to make sure that there's actually a civilization that goes on after them, that their children and their grandchildren and their posterity can inherit.
	Exactly.
	Why would we, why would we want our descendants to walk in the paths that we walk in if it were not because we are following in the paths of our ancestors?
	We reflect a duty and an obligation to our ancestors because, it's not because simply they are ours, that's part of it, but because they have done great things.
	And the great things that they have done, we hope that future generations will do equally great things.
	It's all of a piece.
	So I must disagree with Jordan Peterson on this point.
	Another question here.
	What are some of the most effective things we can do to further our movement?
	And they go on to say, give money to creators, including Amran.
	Well, yes, I hate to rattle the tin cup, but there is no indignity in contributing financially.
	Those of us who are not in a position to be out front with revealed identities, taking risks, those of us who cannot do that, if you have a talent for making money and have some of it to spare, please do send it to us and to all the other good people who are working for our cause.
	And because it's a tax write-off, and because Jared intimated earlier, he owes me $1,500.
	Wait a minute.
	No.
	No such thing.
	Now, I would give a more serious answer to this, especially for young people who At the age of maybe 19, between 19 and maybe 25, it dawns on them everything they've been told about race in American history is a bunch of baloney and these are suicidal myths.
	There is a tendency among young people to sort of burst forth on the scene to say, I'm gonna dedicate myself to saving the white race.
	This is entirely understandable, but most of the time, in fact 99% of the time, I would say, no, what you need to do is finish your college education, Find a woman and marry.
	Have a household.
	You have certain duties to yourself and to your race biologically.
	And once you have established yourself, then think about how you can contribute.
	Because if you burst out as the great white warrior, as a college dropout, chances are you're gonna have a very hard time.
	You could find yourself marooned.
	Our movement is not yet one that can support many people in any kind of full-time position.
	It's just a handful of people that can be supported by our movement.
	So think very carefully.
	What you need to do is educate yourself, build up your skills, and then once you have a kind of base of operations, then you're in a much better position to do much more useful things for us.
	And I'd say that, no, there's no point in really speaking out, except to friends, close friends, people that you don't want to be ostracized from because you don't want to... I mean, we live in a Soviet-esque society right now.
	And beyond that, where, you know, there are rewards, I guess, for then saying, hey, this person said this.
	And then, you know, there's a snitch culture.
	You know, among blacks, there's a no-snitch culture.
	Among whites, regrettably, there's a snitch culture.
	But I think I would not want to discourage people from subtly and gently opening the doors to people and see if they're prepared to walk through.
	There are ways you have to judge your associates, your family, and your work associates.
	You have to judge them subtly, but I think these subjects can be broached in ways that give you an out And depending on how they react, you can see if they're prepared to go further.
	Sending articles to people, sending videos, all of these things are important.
	And many people don't realize that they have family members or they have colleagues at work who are just as furious about these things as they are until they open the door.
	It is something that so many people are so quiet about that you may not know that there are people in your circle who already agree with you.
	And what's sad about that, Mr. Taylor, is going back to the whole Alex Jones thing.
	Somebody out there may have seen a Paul Joseph Watson video and shared it on their Facebook page and then one of their friends said, hey, you think he's good?
	Check out this Jared Taylor guy.
	That's why, again, putting this all full circle, our Those in power are going to start getting rid of all the sites and all the videos and quarantining them and making them so you'll never see this anymore.
	So when you ask what can you do?
	What you can do is be as vigilant as you're prepared to be and putting yourself out there when it comes to social media and sharing these stories.
	Because even sharing a story from say Breitbart or some of these other sites might cause people to say, hey, what are you sharing there?
	What is that?
	That's that Milo Yiannopoulos site, isn't it?
	Stuff like that.
	Well, and there's one obvious thing you should not do, and that is the incredibly stupid thing of sharing any kind of joke with n-words or profanity Or expressions of hatred.
	This is so spectacularly stupid you wouldn't think that anyone who's smart enough to listen to our podcast would fall into that kind of trap.
	But you never know.
	You see these accounts of elected sheriffs in this county or that county who are caught because they shared some sort of visual joke of Amalia Obama being compared to a baboon or something.
	This is just nuts.
	This is nuts.
	I mean, I'm confident that I don't have to tell our listeners that, but these things bear repeating, too.
	One last question here, and it is, do you think that this awakening of consciousness of our people will extend beyond no more immigration and stop the demonization of whites in the media and end affirmative action and reach Now, what this questioner means by that is, are we prepared to engage in the large-scale re-migration of the past decades of immigrants?
	And also, whether we are prepared to assert that this is our land, this is for us, and this is for our people.
	Are enough white people prepared to do what is required to survive, even if it means being thought mean or rude?
	And that's a very interesting question.
	I think this questioner really does get to the point of this remarkable worldwide awakening at some level of our people that we really do face oblivion.
	And are we going to get to the point where we will go beyond Conservative ideas.
	Oh, no more affirmative action.
	Or actually say, no, no, no, stop hating us in the media.
	To the point of actually asserting, taking the steps necessary for our survival.
	My answer is, yes, I think so.
	Unequivocally.
	This is a direction.
	This is a direction in which we are moving.
	And this is the logical endpoint.
	And once people have realized what is at stake, I think most of us, we never go back.
	It's almost never the case that someone who has a genuinely well-founded understanding of the demographic future and what this means for us ever goes back to racial egalitarianism or some sort of conventional liberalism.
	We realize what is at stake and white people will act.
	I've said it before and I'll say it again.
	They have to win every day.
	We only have to win once.
	Go back to a conversation we had in late June when I pointed out this weird USA Today story about this crisis of children at the border and how the media created a manufactured story.
	Imagine if just for a week We had the opportunity to have that megaphone and dictate what stories took precedent over others.
	It wouldn't take long, and I think that's the answer to that question.
	Yes, it's just a matter of time.
	This is a logical and inevitable and moral progression, and I feel confident that we will get there.
	So, we had a couple more questions here.
	I think we'll get around to them next time.
	But I do encourage our listeners to send us questions.
	These three that we talked about today were very provocative and interesting, and I look forward to getting more.
	And one way to get them to us is...
	You can send them to sbpdl1 at gmail.com.
	Once again, that email address is sbpdl1 at gmail.com.
	Or, you can send them to the Contact Us page at amran.com.
	So, for Jared Taylor, this has been Paul Kersey.
	Our time is up.

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