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June 4, 2017 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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A Mexican Reflects on Mexico
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of Radio Renaissance.
We have a special guest from Mexico.
He is a race realist physician, 31 years old, and for the purposes of this broadcast, he will be known as Dr.
Hernandez. He is an entrepreneur.
He has lived in a number of countries, including Austria and Germany.
And I think he will give us a very realistic and eye-opening picture of our southern neighbor.
So it's a great privilege to have you on the program.
And thank you very much for joining me.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you very much for the invitation.
I'm delighted to be in this interview.
Thank you. Yes, first of all, I'd like to ask a rather almost obvious question.
It's a general sense we have in the United States that Mexicans believe that because of the Mexican-American War and the land that changed hands at that time, that Mexicans basically have an unlimited right to move to and live in the United States.
Is this a correct perception of the way Mexicans think of us?
Yes, definitely.
It is a feeling that we share all among the country because in a certain way we were raised because of the elementary school books, the junior high school books.
We were trained and we were educated to feel this way.
If you read any of the official books in elementary school here in my country in Mexico, you will see that there's a feeling of, let's say, a little bit of hate against the American-Mexican war that took place like 160 years ago or so.
That's why. I believe that's the reason.
But at the same time, is it not true that Mexico is quite careful about guarding its southern frontier against immigrants from Central America?
Yes, you're quite right.
And we are always, I mean, as a country, we, Mexico, we're always complaining about the way that the US patrol controls the border and the way they treat us as As immigrants that cross the border without any documents.
But on the other hand, nobody is talking about the way we in Mexico treat the immigrants from Nicaragua or Guatemala or so.
We treat them even worse than the way you treat my countrymen.
That's entirely true.
And I suppose if people were to talk about that too much, the contradictions would be too apparent, so it's best simply not to talk about it.
Yeah, I must say the truth, because the truth must be said.
And well, in a certain way, we are a little bit hypocrites, especially our government.
They never accept their flaws, never.
Even though it is evident, it is obvious, they never accept this.
But do not Mexicans ever think to ask themselves, what if current trends continue and the United States becomes increasingly Hispanic and the United States becomes a country in which the founding people whites are a minority?
Is there any sentiment that this might be a disservice to the United States or do Mexicans even think about that long-term prospect?
I believe we have thought about this idea that my countrymen are raising in terms of demographics in the US. For us, in our society, we discuss this in parties or in the places that we gather together, cafes and so on and so forth, and it seems that we think it is a positive thing, at least for us, But we never think about the way it makes youth feel.
In other words, it is a reconquista, which is a wonderful thing for Mexico, and who cares what the Americans might think about it?
In a certain way, we are taking over the territory that was taken for us a very long, long time ago.
But I was talking to a friend of mine, and we were talking about this American-Mexican war, and I was thinking, just by any chance, just imagine that we get into another war, and by any chance, there's no chance we can win, but by some rare, strange thing, we can win.
There is no way we can...
Control or treat 300 million Americans.
My government has no idea how to treat with 120 Mexicans.
So we shouldn't not even think about invading you or taking control of your territory.
That would be nonsense.
Well, there's another aspect of Mexico that seems a little bit strange to us, and that is the fact that the ruling class of Mexico appears to be very heavily European.
Whereas the poorer people are often more Amerindian.
Is there not some sense of resentment among those who are more heavily Amerindian against the ruling class which is associated with Spain or perhaps Europe or the invader?
That's completely true, this statement.
I can provide you with first-hand examples.
I know, for instance, my girlfriend She happens to be white.
She's a nice girl and, well, she has a European last name.
And, well, she told me, she explained to me that when she was just a kid, she has blue eyes.
Sorry, sorry, green eyes. Well, she explained to me that some of her classmates made fun of her because she has cat eyes.
But I told her that Well, that's because they envy her.
Well, I assume that there must be at least some envy of European features, just judging from the people who appear on Mexican television, because they're overwhelmingly European looking.
It is considered in my country a positive thing to be blonde or either tall or have blue eyes or in a certain way look or resemble Europeans.
And whenever some man or woman looks European or they have European background, there's a tendency that they have the best jobs not only because of the Think of IQ. That's at least what I think, because they are very well accepted in all jobs, in the best companies.
Is there ever likely to be a movement in Mexico, or perhaps there already has been one, in which more indigenous people would militate for a greater role in government?
I remember in Bolivia when Evo Morales was elected president, he was very much a champion of the indigenous people as opposed to the Europeans.
Is there any prospect for a movement of that kind in Mexico?
Actually, there are, yes, especially in the south of my country.
This is a very balkanized country.
I believe that's the word in English.
The north is wealthy, and it happens to be controlled especially by European Mexicans, the north.
It's strange, but the south is very poor, despite that they have Uranium, gold, silver, gas, oil and many natural resources.
It's a very poor area and they envy the North.
And is there any sense?
Well, there are a considerable number of full-blooded Amerindians in Mexico, are there not?
Is it possible to estimate the percentage of the population that really is full-blooded Indian?
Or maybe those statistics are not kept in Mexico?
You're right. These statistics are not kept in my country for some reason that I am not aware.
But it is the vast majority.
That I can tell you.
I know it. Oh, the vast majority of Mexicans, you think, are full-blooded Amerindians?
Yes. Yes, definitely.
It is absolutely true.
And so that makes it all the more surprising that there has not been some kind of more militant effort to take power for people of that kind.
It is surprising even for me.
I have no answer for this question.
I'm very sorry. I believe they do not organize their feelings and their objectives.
That's why, maybe. Well, I once heard a rumor, and perhaps you can tell me if this is true, that there are high-class restaurants in Mexico City in which if a customer looks very much Indian, they won't even let them sit down at a table, but an Indian would be permitted to come as the nanny of the children of customers.
Are there such places? Yes.
Yes. I know so.
For instance, if you go to Mexico City or one of the major cities in my country, it is easier to get into the clubs, into the pub, if you have, let's say, an European image or face.
If someone looks very Aboriginal or, let's say, Amerindian, like you say, there is no way in the coasting, in the Most expensive places they're going to get in.
There is simply no way.
I see. And this is more or less accepted?
This is not considered a scandal?
Everyone more or less accepts this?
It is a scandal, but we pretend that this is not happening I'm trying to be very honest with you.
The truth must be said.
I appreciate your candor very much.
It's not such a surprising thing.
People are tribal and they have a sense of wanting to maintain a certain decorum and atmosphere.
So, this is not an especially surprising thing.
Can you tell me a little bit, I know that there are not a large number of blacks in Mexico.
There is a certain Chinese population.
Can you tell me how those people are generally treated within Mexico?
Terribly. In one word, terribly.
We usually, I mean as a country, of course there are exceptions, but as a country, we usually do not accept very well Blacks, we usually don't.
I have a friend, he's American, he's African-American, and well, he moved into my city here in Mexico, but since we are not used to see Blacks walking down the street, every single man and women and all the children stared at him as if he was from outer space or He couldn't stand any more living here, so he returned to the US after,
I believe, 20 or 22 months.
And concerning the Chinese, well, it turns out that they are coming with a lot of investments and money, and despite all this, they are not very well accepted in my country.
No. We usually, in my country at least, we usually just accept People who resemble Europeans or a mix between Amerindians and Europeans.
That's the way I have seen it.
It works here.
In other words, blacks are so unusual in Mexico that if they walk down the street, everyone will stare at them?
Yeah, definitely. Would this be the case even in the capital city, even in the larger cities?
Oh, yes. Yes, Jeff.
In those days, I was living in Mexico City.
And he moved into, well, Mexico City.
So then he returned to southern U.S. I see.
Well, when it comes to the differences between the northern part of Mexico and the southern part, and you said the southern part is poor.
I don't suppose it would be openly acknowledged that it's likely to be poor because the population is different.
But privately, do people talk about explanations of that kind?
Let's say that in, I believe the word is in lobby terms, or in terms of when we talk to each other in private, we think that people in the south of Mexico are prone to, well, to be lazy, unpunctual, And in the North, people are really hard-working and that's the way we say it.
They are more Americanized.
That's the way we say it.
You would say Americanized in a good sense then?
Well, actually it is in both senses in terms of In a positive thing, saying means that they are hardworking, punctual, they really try to make an effort to make a high income, but a negative in terms of they eat a lot of fast food and soft drinks, and that's why.
I see. So, Americanized is a double-edged sword in that respect.
Well, of course, it's in the North that you have this terrible drug problem, too, is it not?
Yes, it is. We hear, of course, I'm sure we get the most lurid accounts of this kind of thing, but cities that really have practically no government or states that have practically no government because they're run by drug dealers.
To what extent is that really a...
I mean, you can't have a country that's run by drug dealers after all, but what is the reality of the hold that the cartels have on government or public services?
Well, saying that the cartels control a whole province or a whole city or a whole country, I think that wouldn't be accurate.
That's not right. It is true that the crime rates and the murders and all these things are increasing every single year and it is due to cartels.
That's true.
However, this only happens in big cities, especially in big cities like Mexico City, Monterey, Guadalajara, and it is increasing little by little, but it is increasing every single year in small cities as well, but not too much.
It is, I must say, it is unsafe at some point in the big cities.
Is it unsafe in just particular areas or particular times of day or generally unsafe?
Because surely it must be possible to go to Guadalajara and not wear a bulletproof vest.
I promise you, you won't need I know so because there are hundreds of thousands of Americans, retired Americans, living especially in Guadalajara.
They love this city.
They just love it. They love the food.
They love the weather.
It's great. But I believe the crime rates are in very specific locations in the cities.
I wouldn't dare to go to these locations myself.
I see. So, it's just like in the United States.
There are areas where no one really goes, or any sensible person, or a tourist, or a normal middle-class person would simply never go to these areas, and so long as you don't go, you're quite safe.
In general terms, yeah, you're quite safe.
Well, I have traveled to the US, and there is a sense, at least for me, that everything is safer.
Definitely. But safer than any single county here in my country.
I see. And I went to Los Angeles.
Well, that's not considered the safest place in the United States either.
Well, tell me, if an American were to retire and go live in Mexico, would he be welcome?
Would he be considered an invader, a gringo?
What is the sense of someone who, or even tourists, what is the feeling towards individual Americans, whether they're tourists or businessmen or retired people?
We help them or we help you in every single thing that you need.
We treat you like...
I'm really...
I know this.
We treat American citizens or travelers as kings and queens, really.
They just love to be here.
There is one city that you might be interested in.
It is called Chapala or in English it would be like Chapala Lake.
It is next to Guadalajara and it is full of Americans, full of retired Americans.
I went there three weeks ago and they just love it because we treat them 100% good.
I give you more reward than this.
Oh, I don't doubt you, but at the same time I You hear horror stories about Americans who have been attacked and robbed.
I suppose those are Americans who have wandered off into some dark area of a large city.
Yes, that's true also.
Some Americans and Canadians have suffered about our crime rates.
That's true.
But that's not specifically against Americans.
Let's say because, like you said, they went into a Dangerous location.
Right, right.
Well, it is not necessarily surprising to me to hear that Mexicans like Americans as individuals, even if they have a deep resentment of la migra or the border.
Is that correct?
There's a distinction in their minds.
I beg your pardon, could you please repeat me your question?
Is it the case then that for Mexicans there is a big difference in the way they feel about Americans individually and the way they feel about America, the government or the nation?
Oh yeah, sorry.
Well, as far as I know, we really like Americans coming into our country.
As a tourist, as a businessman to live here and retire in any way.
We think very highly of you.
You are entrepreneurs.
You have made a very powerful country.
We think very highly of you.
We admire you, I mean, as citizens.
But we don't...
We utterly dislike I'm going to tell you why, at least give me that chance.
For instance, Mr.
President Trump, he said that he is going to build a wall, and I think he's entitled to build the wall in your territory.
But when he claims that my country is paying for the wall, that really Makes us feel, well, bad and angry.
Yes, I can certainly understand that.
And also, I assume that if Mexicans in general think that the southwestern part of the United States was stolen from them, anyone who makes it impossible for them to go freely into that formerly Mexican territory is an enemy.
Well, I have never thought about this specific idea, but some of them, I believe, yes.
But not all of them.
I don't think so. But some of them, yes, definitely.
But to me, and for many other Americans, I mean, aside from this, I always thought it was a crazy idea that Mexico was to pay for the wall.
I mean, I never knew where that idea even came from.
But the idea that the United States has the right to build a wall on its territory, I don't understand how any Mexican can say that that's illegitimate.
Oh, yeah. And now I see your point.
Sorry. Well, the vast majority of...
No, no, no, no.
All the mainstream media has said that this is a nonsense idea about building the wall.
Every single media, the radio, internet, everybody.
Everybody is speaking about this and they oppose the construction of the wall.
I have met two or three people that they say, well, we shouldn't make any comment about this.
This is a foreign policy.
You can do whatever you want in your soil.
But in a certain way, we think that still that territory belongs to us.
Ah, I see.
We're opposed to the wall. Because it means that Mexicans are being prevented from going into territory that really does belong to them.
Is that the basis of the feeling?
Yes. Yes.
Yes. Right, right.
Now, there's another aspect of Mexico that is commonly discussed in the United States, and that is the aspect of corruption.
I read an astonishing statistic not long ago, and I wonder if it's true.
It almost seems impossible that it be true.
But there was a survey according to which 60% of Mexicans said that they had bribed a policeman within the last year.
60% of Mexicans said they'd bribed a policeman.
Can this be true? Well, you're going to surprise.
No, it is not true.
It's even more. Really?
Yes, you just said that in the last year, but if you ask them in the last 10 years or so, it's going to be even more like 85% or 90%.
You see, to Americans, the idea of giving money to a policeman just seems unthinkable.
For what purpose would you give money to policemen?
So that you don't have to pay a ticket?
Describe a transaction of this kind.
If someone is driving their car and they are speeding, if a Mexican is speeding in their car, they will get a ticket.
But if you bribe the police officer, you would avoid the ticket.
That's why. To avoid a ticket, yeah.
So it's almost always simply to avoid a ticket?
Yes, almost always.
And this is especially in Mexico City.
I'm going to tell you my personal experience.
I have driven in Mexico City many times.
I mean, many dozens of times.
And if by any chance you commit a mistake, like spitting or any mistake, which I did, I tried to take the ticket from the police officer and they wouldn't even offer it to me.
They demanded to me to pay a bribe.
I see. It's just taken for granted.
Yeah, it is.
Well, but if you are, say, a burglar, if the policeman, now this would be an experience obviously you yourself have not had, but if someone is committing a burglary and the police arrive, is it possible to offer a bribe and the policeman will let you go?
I think yes.
I would think, yes, it is possible.
I mean, not possible, very likely.
I see. I see.
Now, this sort of thing is deeply disturbing to Americans.
But I suppose, why do you think this attitude of corruption...
I mean, I understand that it's pretty much throughout Latin America, is it not?
Yes, it is very common.
15 years ago, I used to think it was due to religion.
Have you read about Max Weber from Germany?
Yes, yes. Well, he makes a comparison between Protestants and Catholics, and it turns out that Protestants I believe you're a Protestant.
You observe the law more than we Catholics.
If you look into countries like Italy or Spain, which are mainly Catholics, They also are prone to bribe the police officers, not like here, but more like in the Protestant countries.
That's what I think.
That's maybe one of the causes.
Well, France is heavily Catholic, but I think it would be very unusual to assume that you could just bribe your way out of an unpleasant encounter with a police officer.
Yeah, you're right.
As far as I know, France is changing a little bit into a more non-Catholic.
But yeah, you're right.
In France, that never happens.
Maybe it's also, like some people say, due to race, education.
Maybe that's why. Yes.
Or on the other hand, it may be that the more legitimate question is to ask why certain countries are not corrupt, because it almost seems that if you look all around the world, mostly, say, the subcontinent of India, many Southeast Asian countries, Corruption is more or less endemic, and so perhaps the non-corrupt countries are the more unusual ones, and one should try to find an explanation for that rather than an explanation for corruption.
But be that as it may.
I would like to say that there are many aspects about this thing about corruption.
I don't want to be I'm disrespectful to the American community, but as far as I know, it is true that your country is corrupted in a certain way.
It is not like Canada or Switzerland.
As far as I know, it is also corrupted.
No? Well, certainly compared to a place like Switzerland or Denmark, yes.
But it's my impression, well, there are these transparency indices that are put together by international organizations.
And yes, the United States is certainly not the least corrupt country in the world.
But I think it would be considerably different from Mexico or other Latin American countries.
I have an example that I try to read as much as I can in terms of economy and politics.
Former President George Walker Bush, Bush's grandfather.
I have no idea of his name.
Prescott, I think?
Yes. I believe he was a senator, but he had some investment.
No, not investments. He had some shares in a bank.
And I believe during the World War II, he sponsored the Nazis.
And he was even calling to a trial for this.
Prescott Bush? You're not thinking of Joe Kennedy, huh?
Oh, no, no, no. Oh, that's another story.
Sorry, yes.
No, I'm thinking about George Bush's grandfather.
Yes, Prescott Bush.
Yeah, that's his name.
Well, I must say I'm not familiar with those allegations.
But no, it's certainly true, we are not completely free of corruption.
No question about that.
But it does seem that there would be a substantial difference between the United States and Mexico.
Yes, it is true.
We are way more corrupted.
It is true.
I'm not proud of this.
I'm ashamed of this.
Well, I have a question that returns to this matter of the drug cartels.
I understand that in some circles, the big drug dealers are sort of heroes, that there are these songs about them, Narco Corrido, and there's Narco Cinema, and How do you explain this phenomenon?
Do people simply admire them because they're rich and powerful?
What is the significance of this kind of admiration?
I don't understand this, not even myself, but what I do know is that it is true.
There are some narco corrido, which is an apology song to make a Drug dealers look like a hero.
I'm going to tell you one thing I do know.
It is true. Some of these drug dealers control a city, or a small city, especially very small cities, or a location, a neighborhood, or two neighborhoods.
And if there is a burglary, someone is stealing cars or anything, And this man, this stealer, this thief is not part of their band, of the drug dealer's band.
The drug dealer will chase this thief and will kill him.
And that's why the people think some of these drug dealers are heroes, because they allegedly protect Protect the people from thieves.
I understand that some of the more powerful drug dealers also are involved in what could be called public works that they will help put in improvements in a town.
Is that correct? Yes, it is true.
Such as parks and even hospitals.
Yeah, it is true. They have an open life here, some of them.
For example, when El Chapo Guzman, when he kept escaping, what percentage of Mexicans would applaud when he was able to escape?
What would you guess? Were some people very happy when he escaped?
Lots of people.
Tons of people. I would say 40% of our population were happy about this.
But it is my point of view and my colleagues as well that This fellow, Chapo Guzman, he is not the leader of the cartels.
He's a hoax.
Yeah. There is no way this guy is going to control thousands of people and millions of US dollars.
That's nonsense.
There is no way. There are some people behind him.
We know this for sure in my country.
I see. So the real brains of the organization have not been captured?
And they will never be captured because...
Well, that's my guess.
I cannot give you my word on this.
That's just my guess.
The brain of these drug dealers are some of the politicians in my country.
I see. I see.
Well, that's a very discouraging thought.
In other words, you think at the highest level there is participation in drug trafficking by Mexican politicians?
Oh yes, definitely.
And I am sure about this.
One of my... I can tell you why.
I know this first hand.
Well, one of my friends was robbed in his house.
So eventually, After a few hours, he called me and we went to the police officer's office.
I have no idea of the name.
Sorry. I'm very sorry.
But when we got into the office, we were taken into another room and then my friend told me, let's get out of here.
So I followed him, and then he told me, do you know who is this guy, the captain that was going to interview us?
This guy was one of the three people, one of the three thieves.
So there is no way we can speak out loud about the robberies and burglaries, because some of them are the captains, or they are supposed to...
Maintain us safe.
I see. So some of the thieves are actually officers, high officers in the police force.
Yes. Yes, that would be very discouraging, even terrifying.
Well, do you think, in those terms, what do you see as the future for Mexico?
I know that some people predict that Mexico could eventually become just a series of warlords, like Somalia almost, run by criminal gangs.
Do you think that is at all a possibility for Mexico?
Yes, I believe that's a possibility, especially, not now, but eventually in, I don't know, 20 years or so, because these drug dealers are becoming more and more powerful every day, every single day.
And at some point, some of my countrymen support them, because these thieves and drug dealers have a lot of money, power, A lot of girls, and they want to become a drug dealer.
People in my country, well, not all of them, but certain people don't want to become physicians or lawyers or judges or police officers.
Some of them just want to become a drug dealer because it is an easier pathway to make a high income.
Finally, for Mexicans who think in a serious way about their country, do they think of Mexico as a nation that is rooted in Europe or its own distinct culture?
What is your sense of the roots and identity of Mexico?
I believe that our identity is It is in reality.
It is a mix between Americans and Spaniards, mainly Spaniards.
If you go to any single town in my country, you will see It would resemble a little bit of Spain, especially northern Spain, like Santander or all these beautiful cities.
Mexico City, for instance, resembles very much to Spain.
Guadalajara, it's entirely Spaniard, entirely.
So, I think it is a mix.
The way we see our country is a mix between Spaniards and Merindians.
But it seems that the language and the culture, literature, all of this would be much more heavily influenced by Spain, surely?
Yes, definitely.
Definitely. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be even more honest to you.
Nobody is talking about this, but every single European I know that lives here in my country, They, for some reason, they are not wealthy when they come here, but after five or ten years or so, they become very wealthy, and that's because they are hardworking, they are professional, they are in many, many ways.
I have a lot of German friends living here, and they tell me this is a paradise.
It is, in a certain way, at some point, easy to make a good income here.
Because there is no competition.
Nobody is willing to work very hard or even on Sundays.
I see. That's quite fascinating.
So people who are willing to work can find an environment in which they can do very well.
Yeah, I know so.
I know so. I'm absolutely certain about this.
And especially all Spaniards and French and Germans.
They just love being here.
Well, this is quite fascinating.
In conclusion here, is there anything that you wish to say in particular to American listeners?
What sort of advice would you give them about how we should think about Mexico?
Well, I am aware that some of the white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, I don't know if this is disrespectful, but I know the Protestants Some of them feel that we're invading your country, which in a certain way we are.
I know there's a book from Samuel Huntington that pointed out this very well.
In a certain way, he's right.
Because we are different.
We have a different religion.
We were raised different.
Well, our race is different at some point.
Yeah, it is. But I would definitely encourage them to...
So I know this feeling about them, that we are invading your country.
I kind of understand you.
I wouldn't like every single person from abroad to invade our country.
We wouldn't like all Chinese coming to our country to invade us.
We wouldn't like them.
We wouldn't accept them.
But I would encourage you to visit our country.
It's a beautiful, beautiful, outstanding, remarkable city.
I can give you my word, it's full of hardworking, nice people and The exception is that some of them are not, but the vast majority, we try to be honest.
It is true that it seems unquestionable that the large number of Mexicans who come to the United States, certainly illegally, are not upper-class Mexicans.
They're not European-type Mexicans.
They are much more of the Amerindian Mexicans.
It seems like a very different population than the population we see on Mexican television, for example.
Yeah, definitely. You can also find white Mexicans here, Amerindians, a mix between Amerindians and Europeans.
It is a wide variety of races here.
But yeah, you're right.
The majority of my countrymen that go illegally into your country happens to be the ones that are Amerindian.
Most of them, and also the wealthiest, also move into your country, especially into San Diego.
I know this.
Yes, of course, those are not the people who we see mowing the lawns or collecting the garbage or working on construction sites.
They're doing other things.
Oh, I can provide you with one information I know that's going to be shocking for you, I think.
The first income in my country is, well, drugs.
It is. Yes.
And the second one is all my countrymen living in your country that send money into my soil.
Right, yes.
I'm aware of that.
Many Americans are aware of that.
And to some degree, we resent this.
We wish that that money was spent in the United States and stayed here.
Well, yeah. Yes, I understand this, but that's a little bit due to NAFTA. After NAFTA, there were millions of Mexicans moving out into your country.
That's true, also.
Yes, yes. Well, one last question then.
Given the large numbers of Mexicans who come north, either legally or illegally, Those who do not come, what do they think about the, well, literally millions of Mexicans who have left Mexico to live either permanently or temporarily in the United States?
Do they think of them as disloyal or do they admire their energy?
What do Mexicans think of the many Mexicans who have left to live in the United States?
We think we underrate them, but also we admire them because it's a very brave thing to do to move into another country illegally.
We think about them as brave, but also we underrate them because when they return to Mexico, we actually don't welcome them very well.
Why is that?
Have they become Americanized?
Yes, and they become a little pedant and arrogant.
I hope that's the word in English.
They become a little too posh, let's say.
I see, I see.
So it makes them more difficult to accept and they are not so easily assimilated back into Mexico if they've been in the United States.
Yes, definitely.
Well, I would certainly suspect that if they are Amerindians and they have lived in the United States for some time, they would have been instructed on all these ideas that everyone is equal and that Amerindians certainly should not be in any kind of subservient posture.
Well, yeah, that's a very good idea, a great question.
They should learn about equality and legal, about laws and all these things, but they don't.
As far as I know, they don't mix among Americans.
Some of them, they don't even learn English.
Right, right. Well, that's true.
That's true. Yes, perhaps I'm thinking of the ones who end up staying in the United States.
Yes, it's a very different population.
The ones that stay in your country, definitely they try to become more Americanized.
Not all of them, because some of them, they have been born and raised there, and they don't even speak a good English.
I have met one or two.
Yes, yes.
Well, I thank you very much for your willingness to talk to us about these matters, and I very much appreciate your honesty and your candor and your willingness to talk about your country.
I am elated to talk to you.
It's my pleasure. I'm learning a lot of things from your webpage.
Thank you very much.
Well, great.
And perhaps we'll talk to you again soon.
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