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Jan. 12, 2016 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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A Gun Problem or a Race Problem?
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and welcome to another edition of Radio Renaissance.
It's my pleasure today to have as a special guest, Paul Kersey.
He is the grand impresario of the brilliant webpage, Stuff Black People Don't Like, SBPDL. And this is our third podcast with Mr.
Kersey. Welcome.
Hey, the pleasure's all mine, and happy...
Happy New Year to your staff and more importantly to all the listeners out there and readers of AR. Yes, indeed.
We'd like to talk about gun control and crime and race and weapons.
And just to kick it off, I guess it was the day before yesterday, Barack Obama decided to exercise more executive power and try to limit gun sales.
What's your opinion of what that's likely to accomplish and whether it means anything?
This is the type of situation where the president, who of course cried when he was giving his speech and talking about the gun violence that keeps him up at night.
Again, there's not much in the executive orders that President Obama issued that most gun owners or most potential gun owners should even worry about.
It's just good for those who work for the Brady campaign and for leftists who do want to disarm the American people to see that Well, as I recall, even some of his supporters conceded that the measures that he was proposing were not going to affect more than maybe just a few thousand gun sales a year, if that.
And there are millions of guns sold every year.
That's exactly right. And the quote that I think that people need to wrap their heads around because this really is a war.
And this is an aspect of the whole situation I don't think anyone's really thought about until you and I are having this conversation.
And that is Obama has won so easily in everything that he's tried to do against the GOP. Everything.
That they've turned over and given him anything except for guns.
Because the NRA and what he calls the gun lobby, which he says holds the country hostage and Congress as well, They keep winning.
And that, I think, infuriates him at some level.
Because everyone else has acquiesced.
That's true, that's true.
And I was struck just today by the NAACP's press release on Obama's proposals here.
They said, I'm quoting from it, they say,"...true, prompt, and courageous action from elected officials committed to saving lives rather than protecting a single industry." That's what they want.
Apparently the NAACP buys this crazy idea that the only people who are served by an armed American population is the gun industry.
This is just as cuckoo as the idea that so many other blacks have is that there are so many blacks in jail because it provides good jobs for people who build prisons and good jobs for prison wardens.
They have a completely mistaken understanding of how the world works.
But it's just utterly delusional, the sense that the only reason Americans are interested in guns is because they want to keep Smith& Wesson in business.
Well, the great thing about that press release from the NAACP is that they show that I think 30,000 people die of gun-related deaths a year, yet two-thirds of those are suicides, and we both know that I think, what, 78% are white people who are using the gun for it?
For taking their own life.
Well, that's right.
That's really an interesting racial difference in gun use.
And I think guns are perhaps one of the clearest examples of racial differences in the United States.
For whites, 77% of gun deaths are suicides and only 19% are homicides.
Whereas for blacks, the situation is completely reversed.
82% of gun deaths are homicides and only 14% are suicides.
It just goes to show you that white people use them as a kind of, well, act of autonomy, if you will, but against themselves.
Whereas blacks, they can't control themselves, they use them to settle scores, you step on my shoe, you know, I'll put a bullet in your head.
It just shows you how completely differently blacks and whites approach the very existence of weapons in American society.
And that's the most important point.
You see homicides in places like Baltimore or a place like Philadelphia or Washington, D.C. And again, the type of interaction that would necessitate the use of a gun would truly shock most people if the media actually reported on the actual motive.
But of course, police and the media like to just say it's drug-related and brush it aside because they think most people won't look at that.
Yes, that's true.
The gun crime, the gun violence in a place like New York City or Chicago, for example, is so overwhelmingly black and Hispanic that if you were to replace the populations of those cities with whites, you would have a reduction in murder of maybe 90%.
A reduction in non-fatal shootings of 95%.
It's just extraordinary.
These statistics are out there buried in official documents, but they're never publicized.
Well, not only that, and that's funny what you just said, because those stats are readily available on the New York City Police Department website, and why hasn't a journalist in New York City just consulted those and said, oh gosh, wait a second, this is pretty shocking as to who's committing the violence.
Perhaps this is why We should have legislation aimed to curtail gun ownership.
From the people who are actually committing the gun crime.
Well, you see, I think that's the very conclusion that the media would be terrified to point towards.
Obviously, if guns are a problem in certain people's hands, then they are a problem in the hands of blacks and to a lesser extent in the hands of Hispanics.
So, you could make an argument that effective gun control would be keeping it out of the hands of the people who are not capable of using them.
Namely, certain groups.
But that is a conclusion that is too horrifying to contemplate.
Correct. Tell me the story about people who approve of gun control in the United States.
What's the tendency in that direction, do you think?
You know, I think the people who approve of gun control in the country have a long-term view of where America is headed.
Yes, under President Obama, we have seen unprecedented gun sales and ammo sales Largely by people who already are a gun owner, but of course, as we saw this past Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving 2015, the largest single day ever for gun background checks.
And guess what? That's an important point to make, is that these were legally purchased firearms.
It's not like people are going around buying guns in the back alley, as they do in places like Baltimore, New York City, and Philadelphia, to commit violence against one another.
These are legally obtained guns with a background check.
I know you bought firearms.
I bought firearms. I have to fill out multiple forms.
And there are punishments if you lie on those forms and do a straw purchase.
And as someone who believes in civic virtue, I want to fill that out correctly because I want to abide by the law.
But the left understands that the demographic changes in America, Jared, Portend the end of the Second Amendment.
Well, tell me about that.
Well, the Washington Post back in, goodness, I think it was earlier in 2015.
Yeah, I think it was in October.
Yeah, October 19th.
And the writer is a professor at UCLA who basically brags the NRA will fail.
It's inevitable. Just look at the demographics.
And the author notes that Blacks and Hispanics are largely anti-Second Amendment, whereas White people who, as he notes in the article, are increasingly dying off, are the only people who are keeping alive our Second Amendment rights.
And it's just the gleeful nature of how he presents this info, because it's almost as if he knows the NRA doesn't care about this info, even though this is the only way that we're going to keep our gun rights, is by understanding the racial aspect of this fight for the Second Amendment.
Yes, gun ownership is just one of an infinite number of examples of things that change when the population changes.
This is something that I suspect the NRA actually knows.
They are probably brooding over this very problem even as we speak.
And someday, if they have any guts, they will point this out and they will put their weight not just behind the concept of gun ownership, But the concept of an American population that supports guns.
It's almost like the environmental movement.
The environmental movement, those people know that more people means more environmental degradation, but they don't dare say so because they'll be accused of racism if they want to keep the little brown people out.
I think all of these aspects of what makes America American, and what appeal to white people about America, these things are all being eroded, and the movements that are trying to preserve those things, unless they grasp those demographic bulls by the horns, they will never make any progress.
Well, it's funny you say the demographic bulls by the horn, the demographic bull by the horn, because there's another important article that we need to discuss in understanding How the gun control narrative is going to be forced upon the American people.
And that is an op-ed that was in the New York Times at the end of December of 2015 by Professor Gary Cutting.
He wrote an article about guns and racism and basically arguing that those who are opposed to gun control are racist.
Oh gosh, what was his argument there?
Well, I'd like to read this because it's...
It's one that I think you'll really enjoy.
It is, and I quote, Are permissive gun laws are a manifestation of racism?
An evil that, in other contexts, most gun control advocates see as a fundamental threat to American society.
End quote. Gosh.
Now, is that...
Well, I suppose his reasoning must be that because it's blacks who are overwhelmingly shooting each other, And because it's blacks that are shooting each other, if we could only eliminate guns, then we would save all of these precious black lives, and the unwillingness to do so is a sign of vicious white supremacy and racism.
Do you think that's what he's saying? He does.
There's actually a paragraph where he notes that there's, you know, it's basically that there's no arguments that black people in the, quote, bad parts of our cities have to live with utterly unacceptable levels of gun violence.
Those are his words. He then notes and he points out that blacks only make up 13% of our population are, you know, 55% of homicide victims, which I believe that they're a much greater percentage of the actual suspects.
And we'll get into that in a few minutes.
And then he notes that it's no surprise blacks favor stricter gun control, which that Washington Post article notes that blacks favor stricter gun control, 72% to 24%.
Whereas for whites, it's 57% for gun rights.
Well, you know, the implication of that is just so outlandish that people who believe in the Second Amendment, they don't believe it because they think that guns are an important protection both personally and potentially against a tyrannical government, but they think that guns should be out there so black people will kill each other.
That's what's implied by that.
That's correct. How can...
I wonder if this guy even believes what he's writing himself.
Well, again, the greatest sin in the United States of America and the Western world is, of course, racism.
And so I guess he's playing upon that...
Well, you're probably right.
So long as you can tar anything you don't like with the racism label, then everybody will gang up against it and make it go away.
Well, I don't think this guy's going to succeed.
I'm rather more concerned about the earlier article you quoted about this guy who says, well, the demographic change is just going to wash away the Second Amendment.
And he's right, because you have to look at a micro level.
Look at a state like Connecticut or Maryland, where you have a Democrat-controlled state Congress.
Or, most importantly, Virginia, where demographic changes in Virginia...
Allowed for a Democrat governor and a Democrat attorney general, who they, of course, they just got rid of reciprocity for 26 or 24 states concealed carry, which was just a shocking move that makes no sense.
And this is what happens when demographic changes allow for Democrats to take control of a state government.
Yes, that's certainly true.
Although, excuse me, I thought that...
There was a fascinating thing that the Republicans brought in the Virginia state legislature.
They said, well, if our governor, who wanted to get rid of all these concealed carry permits, if he's so uncomfortable being around guns, then we will defund his armed protective detail.
If he doesn't like being around guns, well, then we'll put him in a nice, safe space with no guns.
That's a microaggression, I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm afraid that didn't go anywhere.
Well, before we started talking, you had mentioned something about a Center for Disease Control study of firearms in Wilmington, Delaware, was it?
Can you tell me about that study?
Yeah, you know, back in late 2015, a report was put out after a city counselor, her name is Hanifa G.N. Shabazz, said that the violence felt like an illness.
So, in Delaware, in Wilmington, which is, it's not far from Philadelphia, You know, the CDC and, gosh, epidemiologists from the CDC came to the city to try and study, you know, not meningitis or the effectiveness of vaccines.
They came to study and examine gun violence.
And they actually put out a report on gun violence, a pretty long report, which, of course, failed to mention the number one variable in gun violence.
That is, who's pulling the trigger?
I guarantee you, in counties all throughout North Alabama, there are guns laying around.
And a gun is a tool. It's an inanimate object.
It takes someone to use that gun, whether it's defensive or offensive.
And that's the simple explanation of the gun debate.
It really is that simple.
A gun is an inanimate object.
The trigger has to be pulled.
And in Wilmington, they didn't discuss race.
The people pulling the trigger in this CDC report.
Well, to me, it's hilarious that they seem to think of guns almost as if they were an invasive species of microbes.
They come unbidden, almost autonomously, into the community and start shooting people.
But as I recall, wasn't part of the objective of this CDC study to come up with some kind of profile to get a handle on who are the people who are most likely To be gun violence perpetrators and victims and somehow do diversionary tactics to keep them from ending up being in jail or being killed.
And so they're trying to put together a profile and they leave out the most important ingredient.
You know, again, you can't blame dangerous streets.
You can't keep blaming bad schools.
You can't keep blaming a lack of a father in the house.
I mean, it's so silly because we actually have The Delaware Criminal Justice Council actually used to put out a report every year on Wilmington shootings, so we know who's pulling the trigger.
And in 2010, this is fascinating, there was not one white suspect in the city.
Is that right?
There's not one white suspect, but get this.
There were 10 instances where a black male suspect shot a white male victim.
10% of the total.
The rest, as you can imagine, is black on black, or Hispanic on Hispanic.
But there was no white on white gun violence in the city of Wilmington.
But there was 10 examples that they know of with a suspect where a black male shot a white victim.
And that was, of course, left out.
It wasn't even in an appendix in that study by the CDC.
Well, it sounds as though there was no white gun violence at all, at least in that particular year.
Well, maybe what you're telling me then, Mr.
Kersey, is that the CDC recognizes that it's all a black or Hispanic problem, and so they didn't even have to mention it.
But they've built that into their profile.
Or am I giving them the benefit of the doubt?
I actually think there's some truth to that.
I believe we're at a point now because of the...
Cities like Milwaukee, which has the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, which is a state-sponsored crime-fighting institution which is being replicated across the country.
And that particular organization is able to break down every fatal and non-fatal shooting for race of both suspect and victim and a motive.
And what's most impressive about the Milwaukee Homicide Commission They've been doing it since 2005, is that it shows that there's not much drug-related violence.
It's all just fights.
It's all just disputes.
And it's almost entirely without white participation in the suspect portion.
The victim part, yeah, there are a lot of white victims of black gun violence, but there's not much white gun violence in a city like Milwaukee, which is, I want to say, 40% black and 37% white.
And I think that you could look at this at a micro level at most of America's other big cities and you'd see the exact same pattern play out.
And I believe at a level, it's implicitly known for most people who are crime or journalists who do the crime beat or first responders or the hospital workers who have to deal with these emergency situations.
I think they could probably tell you on one hand How many times they've had a white victim come in.
You mean a white perpetrator?
Oh no, a white gun victim.
Someone who's been shot.
Because there's not many white victims either.
And the white perpetrators are usually, well, they're either committing suicide or they are in a dispute, probably with one of their family members.
And it's domestic.
You know, white White gun crime is domestic gun crime.
It's always interracial.
Well, and as they say, whenever a woman is murdered, the automatic prime suspect is the husband.
But that's a conversation for another day.
Thinking about the extent to which gun violence, at least gun violence against other people, gun murder, is so concentrated in the hands of non-whites, it reminds me that back in the early days of American Renaissance, one of the very first issues, this would have been close to 25 years ago, I remember doing an analysis of New York City murders.
And doing the calculation that is going to be included in this new version of the color of crime and arriving at these spectacular drops in gun violence if the population were to be all white.
Imagine a New York City that is all white and the increased number of whites are exactly demographically the same as the whites who are there now and committing Murders, rapes, robberies at exactly the same rates as the whites living in those cities now.
You end up with, as I mentioned earlier on this program, you end up with spectacular drops.
Reductions in these shootings, for example, these non-lethal shootings, of 95%.
Rape plummets by 85%.
Robberies down by 90%.
These, I think, are facts that should be broadcast and shouted from the rooftops, which is what I was trying to do 25 years ago.
But I think that there is a more receptive audience now for some of the facts about gun crime in the United States.
What do you think? Well, Donald Trump tweeted it out back in 2013, the gun statistics in New York City.
I mean, could you imagine? We already know the property values and the good bureaus of New York City right now.
Imagine if it was I mean, think about the ripple effects, though, of what that means when you remove an element that is responsible for such a vast proportion of the crime when it comes to the opportunity costs that are no longer lost, the commute times, public transportation.
And this is the fear.
There's such a great fear of being the victim of gun crime.
I mean, goodness gracious.
Think about all the cities where, you know, the whole Black Lives Matter movement is really, it's a tragic, it's a tragic comedy because you have to think about all of the cities across the country where there are Black people who lead marches against Black-on-Black violence.
I mean, I just read where Louisville had one and then that night, and then that very night, one of the participants in that march was shot.
One of the leaders in that movement, it was on December 20th of 2015.
But there are marches against violence in virtually every major American city, and it's not because of white people.
Although I will point out, though, back in 2007, a bunch of white people did march in New Orleans because there was a home invasion and a white musician or artist was shot.
And then the New York Times reported that this was the first time that white people had led a march against violence.
And there was no black participation in it.
And it started a little minor controversy because...
How dare white people be upset about the violence against them when blacks pointed out the majority of the violence in New Orleans was black on black?
It was a fascinating little example of white people saying, you know, we're trying to gentrify, can you not shoot us?
Black people got upset about that.
Well, I'd like to close off with this rather disturbing and interesting trend.
As you no doubt know, for the last 20 years, really, there has been a steady decline in crime across the board in the United States.
There are lots of theories for why that has happened.
I think one of the most convincing theories is that the incarceration rates have gone up.
You lock away the bad guys, the longer you do it, the less crime there's going to be.
But this year, this year, in all five of the top most populous cities in the United States, there was an uptick in murder.
New York City up 5%, Los Angeles up 10%, Chicago 13%, Houston 23%, Philadelphia up 12%.
Those are the five biggest cities in the country.
And then Baltimore Murder is up a shocking 63% and Washington up 54%.
So it looks as though we have had a real sudden turnaround in this steady decline of crime that we've been seeing in the U.S. Do you have any theories?
What do you think accounts for this?
I do. Yes? Well, there's a couple things we need to also factor in and that's non-fatal shootings.
I only have Baltimore's information in front of me and this is from the week ending 12-26-2015 from the Baltimore incident report.
Non-fatal shootings were up 72%, 626.
And I think one of the reasons that we're seeing more homicides, one theory might be caliber.
Maybe the people out there are using higher caliber firearms, which is As a matter of fact, I was just looking at statistics on that.
We have national statistics, are you aware of that?
9mm has been the favorite murder round for years and years and years and there hasn't been much change.
Very few murders in.40 cal or.45.
So I don't think it's that.
I think certainly in a place like Baltimore, it has been, well, as it turns out, this huge surge in Baltimore murders occurred after the riots, after the indictment of the policemen in the Freddie Gray business.
But I'd also like to point out, though, if you look at the trend in Baltimore for the past few years, it was trending up, which was befuddling criminologists, because most major cities were dropping.
But Baltimore was inching upward.
Yes, but not like what we've had this time.
63%, it had been nothing like that.
I think that what we're seeing here is a perfect example of the Ferguson effect, this de-policing.
When the policemen know that they're going to come under intense media and political scrutiny for the slightest possible misstep, they're just going to pull back.
As he should. Yes, yes.
And there were veteran police officers who were predicting right when the six policemen involved in the Frederick Gray business were indicted, they said, this is so demoralizing, we're going to have to pull back, nobody's going to want to take any risks, and crime is going to skyrocket, and that's exactly what happened.
I think that's absolutely fascinating and perfectly understandable.
Now, why Washington, D.C., It should have an uptick of 54%.
I really have no idea.
You know, there's one example that I think we can pull from pop culture that the liberals put out a couple years ago.
The Wire was one of the more talked about TV shows, you know, set in Baltimore.
And it basically showcased black dysfunction and glamorized it.
In fact, David Simon blocked me on Twitter because I said, hey, you did a great job showcasing black dysfunction on The Wire.
And he said, if that's what you took from the show, you're an idiot.
And it was like, well, what were you trying to show?
Systemic white racism in a city run by blacks?
Anyway, the point is, in one of the episodes, he showcased when an area of Baltimore was de-policed.
And it was called Hamsterdam, because they tried to replicate what Amsterdam had, where the police wouldn't go in and arrest drug suspects.
And it Basically, the show showed that a bunch of druggies went in, but crime didn't escalate.
Just a bunch of druggies went in there.
Whereas we do know now, what you just said about the Ferguson effect, that's not true.
Because police in Baltimore have completely stopped doing anything because they know that Marilyn Mosby has already dedicated her entire reign as state's attorney to no justice, no peace.
So they know, stay in the donut shop as opposed to trying to deal with...
You know, Freddie Gray's out there, of which there are plenty.
And the violence is so bad, Jared, in Baltimore, that the number one cause for spinal injuries in the city is a gunshot.
Not a car crash, but being a victim of a gunshot.
Wow. Well, murder for a long time has been one of the leading causes of death for black males.
It's right up there with accidents.
No, they kill each other at a very brisk pace.
But do you have any final concluding words for our listeners on any of these subjects?
Oh, having to do with maybe guns or the demographic future or what we can look forward to?
Any final words of wisdom?
You know, I think the main thing to say is that the Founding Fathers did not pass the Second Amendment with what's happening in 2016 America in mind.
You know, liberty is never unalienable.
It is something that has to be regularly fought for, and unfortunately in America, the only liberty and the only freedoms that we can fight for are the continued impact of enacting civil rights acts to benefit blacks and And non-whites at the expense of white people.
And we have to understand that, you know, the so-called natural human right, which of course I believe are invented, they don't really exist, you know.
What we see at this point is our gun rights are inextricably linked to America still being a white country with the founding stock in place.
And as the Washington Post author of that piece noted, gleefully, That as America becomes increasingly non-white, the Second Amendment will be a casualty of this.
And the NRA has to know this.
And if they don't, well, I guess we had the wrong people trying to protect our rights.
Well, it's what I said earlier.
A demographic change changes everything.
And this just happens to be one that is particularly obvious and the left has fastened on to.
So let this be a lesson to us and to all of our listeners that everything we care about depends on maintaining the founding stock of the United States.
Without that founding stock, without Europeans, without This worldwide brotherhood of Europeans, of which we are a part, the things that we love and care about will not survive.
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