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June 8, 2015 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Is There Hope for White Millennials?
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Hello, this is Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and I have a very special guest with me today.
It's Paul Ramsey, better known as Ramsey Paul, the video blogger with millions of views of his videos.
He is a satirist and is best known for really taking the mickey out of all sorts of human foolishness, which is to say he has an endless supply of good material and information.
And he has consented to join me today to talk about some of the views of young people having to do with questions of race, immigration, that sort of thing, the questions that are of particular interest to American Renaissance.
So welcome, Ramsey Paul.
I'm very glad to have you on the program here.
Hey, I'm happy to be on.
This should be a good conversation.
I don't know what we know about young people, but let's give it a shot.
Well, that's just it.
I was thinking about that. I'm in my 60s.
You're at least in your 70s.
But we do have some data.
I'm a great believer in data.
And before we started this conversation, I sent Ramsey Paul some data that we have gleaned from polls of young people.
And by and large, what seems to be upsetting the liberals is that young people, their opinions about race seem to reflect very clearly or they track closely the opinions of their elders.
And this, of course, is the reason for an enormous hand-wring.
One piece of data, for example.
If asked, are blacks lazier than whites?
Those whites that were born after 1981, that is to say they're under 34 years of age, 31% say yes.
The next generation, 34 to 50, 32%.
And the baby boomers over 50 say 35%.
So that's 31, 32, 35% of these different generations of white people.
All seem to be prepared to tell a poster that blacks are lazier than whites.
Don't you think that's awful?
You know what's interesting?
They don't say where they took this poll because I have found something called, you know, prejudice, to prejudge.
But I have found that people that tend to live in isolated areas, let's say in Portland or in an all-white area, they tend to have more egalitarian views than people that actually interact with diversity.
And it's opposite than what you would think because the idea of prejudice, oh, you're prejudging, you don't know, you should be around them.
But the people that are in this situation, they speak more real than the people that are isolated in their ivory towers or in their isolated areas.
It's interesting how that happens, and I think that happens worldwide.
Well, that's true.
The fact is, it's the people who learn about blacks and Mexicans only from reading the New York Times that have the highest regard for them.
It's those who actually have to live with them and work with them and go to school with them.
They're the ones who seem to have the lowest regard for them.
Yeah, I'm guilty of that, too.
And it's interesting because I think I've seen you in Europe, haven't I? When I was in Europe, I mean, first I came to Europe, I was like, oh, we have blacks and Mexicans here, but they have gypsies.
And I thought, oh, gypsies are these colorful people that tell your fortune and all that.
And they have a very different view of them by actually living with them than I would because I've never been around a gypsy, right?
So to me, they're magical, wonderful, exotic people.
So I think actually when people are in contact with other groups, they get a more realistic determination of what the basic characteristics are like.
Not all, but the basic characteristics.
Well, I have to agree with that.
And it reminds me the way the Scandinavians used to lecture us all the time about how we should treat black people.
And people in the North who had never ever lived with black people used to lecture Americans in the South about how they should treat black people.
And it reminds me, it's as if people who lived in the desert were giving lectures to people in the jungle how to deal with trees.
You'd think they would know a little bit better than that, have a little bit of humility, but that's not the way it works.
Right. So tie this back to young people.
Here's my theory. I think our generation, we had the privilege, if I can use the term white privilege, of kind of fleeing the situation, or at least my parents did, meaning they moved out of the city into the suburbs.
So in that generation, pretty much, Even though there is a lot of black areas and Mexican areas, we live virtually in all white areas, in all white neighborhoods, all white schools, or pretty much all white, maybe not 100%.
So the kids today, though, they can't get away from diversity.
So they see it all the time because, you know, Obama and all these initiatives trying to push diversity into the neighborhoods and the suburbs.
So I think it's more in their face.
They can't get rid of it.
So they're a little bit more aware I think that a lot of us were that could escape it.
Well, I think you're right.
Although the founder of the Citizens' Council, that is the predecessor organization to the Council of Conservative Citizens, it was known back in the segregation era as the uptown clan because they were very sensible white people who resisted segregation, but they didn't burn cloth crosses or wear pointy hoods or anything like that.
The founder was a fellow named Robert Patterson, and he used to say that the best cure for integration fever is a stiff dose of Negroes.
And so the younger people have had a stiff dose of Negroes and a stiff dose of Mexicans.
And so it's not too surprising that they have a slightly jaundiced view of diversity and integration.
On the other hand, If Robert Patterson were absolutely right about that, wouldn't you expect the younger people who've had no choice in the matter to have a more realistic and more, oh, more grimly, inegalitarian view of race than the older generation, which was able to more or less protect itself?
Yeah, I find that young people, I think they're a little bit less dogmatic about the whole racial issue in that everything's just not black and white.
And they see kind of, there's a lot of grays in there.
I mean, a lot of them, they have Asians they're friends with, or they may have a Hispanic that for all practical purpose acts white.
I knew a Japanese girl, Jared, that just loved you.
But she kind of, she was like half white.
She considered herself white.
So it's becoming a little bit more complicated than let's say the one drop rule, whatever that means.
I think the younger people, they're not as stuck into that paradigm, if you will.
They look at it kind of more broadly, but I look at race.
I heard this analogy once and it makes sense to me.
It's kind of like the atmosphere, right?
You really can't say where the atmosphere starts or where it ends in outer space.
You can't really draw a line, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right?
It exists. We know race exists, but it's just not into these hard categories that the more, I guess, radical racial people put them in.
And I find the younger people, at least the genuine ones, they're not as rigid in their thinking and racial terms.
Well, you're probably right about that.
Although one aspect of their thinking that the ruling liberal elite seems to consider extremely rigid is the fact that 70% of white millennials will say that it's never fair to give preferential treatment to one race over another Regardless of historical inequalities, they are as adamant about that as baby boomers or anybody else.
And that really upsets the liberals, that they are opposed to racial preferences for non-whites.
Right. But that's the question, even if you don't believe in racial differences, you should at least conceptually have that as, hey, you treat everyone as an individual, not as part of the race.
So by saying that you should discriminate against whites, A person that was at least intellectually honest and said, hey, there's no such thing as race.
They should be opposed to that because they should say, well, we shouldn't do that because there's no such thing as whites anyway, so how can you do this?
There's very few intellectually consistent people, though.
So, yeah, but that's a broader category.
I think that even a lot of mainstream Republicans would hold that view, don't you think?
Yes, yes, I agree.
And I think it's something that is really not very surprising among young white people who have spent so much of their time Interacting with people who are not white anyway.
They know perfectly well that they don't do anything to hold blacks or Hispanics down.
They don't know anybody who has ever moved a muscle to hold blacks or Hispanics down.
And the idea of somehow those people getting special boosts to get into college and get a job, I think they find that just utterly incomprehensible.
I think it has a lot to do with their own experiences, too.
Would you not agree, Ian? Oh, yeah.
I mean, this is no longer 1950 or whatever they pretended to be.
I mean, now it's not like if you're white, you have this invisible backpack of privilege.
It's a hindrance, right?
I mean, if you come out as some weird diversity or weird sexuality, that helps you get into a college.
That helps you get a job.
It doesn't hurt you. I don't know where, you know, these people are like living in the past.
I mean, being a straight white male is like the hardest you could have it, the hardest setting based on the laws.
But they like to pretend it's the opposite.
But you just have to look. Everyone knows.
My kids, right? They went into college.
They had to get a higher score than blacks because of how they race norm the scores.
Everyone pretty much knows that.
But we like to go on with the fiction that white people have it easy, which is not true, and the kids know that.
Well, I'd like to think they know that.
One of the things, of course, that sets the regime with its hand-wringing and its worrying is a recent public poll found that 58% of white millennials say that discrimination affects whites just as much as it affects non-whites.
And that's nearly 60%.
And that, of course, is a horrible thing for any white person to believe, and to have 60% believing that, that has upset a lot of people.
On the other hand, I find it very interesting that, according to the same poll, 39% of Hispanics see it that way, and so do a quarter of blacks.
So I'm more impressed by the 39% figure for Hispanics saying that discrimination affects whites just as much as it affects non-whites, and for the quarter of blacks who see that, as the 60% of whites who see that.
Yeah, I would not agree with that.
I don't think it affects whites just as much.
I think it affects whites more, actually.
So if I was going to be technical with the wording of the question, but yeah, and you know, the Hispanic category, that's an interesting category because I guess it really, I have a subscriber.
She's been watching my videos for years, but she's in Mexico and she's really pro-white and she's white.
And a lot of people can't get their head around that there's white Hispanics.
There really are. And you know, they have the Spanish and so Hispanics are kind of They really have the continuum.
And that's why it's kind of hard to just classify people in the set buckets because there's a lot of Hispanics, I guess, that really in many ways are white or act white.
Yes, yes, that's certainly true.
And curiously enough, one of those oddities about the way the United States categorizes people, if you're from Brazil, you can be black as can be, but you're not a Hispanic.
Were you aware of that? Because you are from a Portuguese-speaking country.
I did not know that, no.
Interesting. That's right.
There are so many crazy contradictions about race and categorization in this country.
But anyway, are you, by the way, are you familiar with this implicit discrimination test that they give to people?
In other words, you look at a computer and you're supposed to match favorable words with first pictures of people of one race and then pictures of people of another race.
Or then negative words and do the same.
Are you familiar with that test?
I've heard of tests like that, yes.
I've never taken it, but I know what you're talking about, yeah.
Well, I've taken that test.
It's really quite cleverly put together.
And I think you do tend to associate words like violence or gun crime with blacks.
How odd. I mean, I'm embarrassed to admit that I do associate those words with that group.
And so the idea is then when the words gun crime comes on and you're supposed to associate it with a nice looking handsome white face, then you have a harder time doing that.
And this is supposed to determine your implicit discrimination.
You know who else? I hate to interrupt you, but that reminds me of a quote that Jesse Jackson said once, I don't know if you ever heard it, when he heard footsteps running towards him and he turns around and sighs because they're white people.
So I wonder if even blacks would rate it the same way when they look at the images.
Well, you see, that's an example of the way white society poisons the minds of black people.
They in fact react the same way, not quite to the extent that whites do.
But on this issue of age differences, one thing that has turned out is that there have now been many, many thousands of people who have taken this test And as it turns out, young people, they score almost exactly the same amount of implicit discrimination in favor of whites as older people, but before they take the test, they consider themselves Or they will describe themselves as much less discriminatory against blacks.
And this, of course, is another reason for liberals to wring their hands.
What they're saying is, all of these young people, they're just as implicitly discriminatory as old people, but they fool themselves.
They think they're not.
I think that's a very interesting finding.
Right. It's sort of the old case where the people that propose diversity themselves always move into White neighborhoods.
Now, they don't call them white neighborhoods.
They say, oh, I'm doing it for the schools or the good environment.
But they themselves don't want to surround themselves with diversity.
And we see that hypocrisy all the time.
And I think, you know, they're not trying to be dishonest as they're just having kind of a double think.
They want to think highly of themselves, but at the same time, they have to live their lives because you have to make rational judgments.
It's not even just with race, right?
I mean, hey, you could say I'm sexist because are you going to be more threatened by a group of young men?
Forget the race. Versus, let's say, some elderly old women.
Of course, you know, you are, you know, you could call that sexist or ageist or whatever, but it's this reality that there's different behaviors with different groups of people, and you better understand those behaviors if you want to survive.
That's kind of an evolutionary trait, so it's a good thing.
Yes, yes, I agree.
Those two distinctions that you just drew between generalities about race and then generalities about sex or about age.
Sex and age, that's more or less acceptable under certain circumstances, unless you're talking about the U.S. Special Forces are going into combat.
But when it comes to race, oh my gosh, no, no, no.
That's absolutely verboten.
And that to me is really one of the key distinctions to show just how insane the country is on that particular point.
Although I think the insanity when it comes to sex is beginning to eat into race territory these days.
All of the crazy things we're supposed to think about sex.
Yeah, I think people laugh at it too.
I hope they laugh at it.
I hope they laugh at it.
I have a friend whose son is in the army and he has spent several tours of duty in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
And he says, having women out on the battlefield, it's like having a rucksack full of rocks.
Yeah, it's not what they're really designed for.
Yeah. I always call a culture of Marxism is denial of reality.
They just don't want to face reality because they want to think things are all equal because everyone wants to believe in equality.
And I don't know, maybe that would be nice if the world was that way, but I don't see the world being that way.
And it's not to be mean, it's just reality.
Well, I think you're right.
It is this intense desire, for some reason, to ignore all of the evidence of inequality.
You spoke about this at...
Last year, The Dark Enlightenment, yeah.
Yes, yes. No, I think you've made many brilliant points on that very subject, about the world being unequal, and yet I think it would you not agree that this is really an unprecedented thing though that human beings start insisting that there is not inequality whereas for thousands of years really they've taken inequality for granted.
Yeah and like I said in the dark enlightenment it really started back with Calvin and you know we all have equality with the priesthood and I'm not getting into religion but that really kind of started the whole banishing hierarchy and Within the same race.
But it was interesting how that bled everywhere now.
And a lot of what these leftists we see, they really have the same type of attitude of the Puritans that came to the United States.
They're very dogmatic.
They really look at things in almost a religious way.
And one of the religious beliefs that they don't care, they won't look at any evidence, is inequality.
Everything is equal.
Now, they may agree people may not exactly be equal to each other, but all races are for some reason exactly equal, and men or women are really exactly equal except for our sexual differences.
Yep, it seems to be an absolute heroic capacity to ignore the truth and ignore one's own experiences.
But to return to the question of what young people think and how they react, when I was, oh, a teenager and in my early 20s, More than I would care to admit, I was motivated by a kind of rebellion against what my parents thought and did.
And just the fact that this was something, just the fact that they disapproved of something made it more likely for me to want to try it out or think it.
But I don't find that sentiment among young people, at least as far as orthodoxy on race is concerned.
What is your view of that?
Yeah, it almost seems like a generation thing.
I read a book years ago called Generations.
I forget the author's name, but it's really fascinating.
He went through history and his thesis that generations actually have different personalities.
And the millennials, he would have said, they're very good people, but they tend to be very conformist.
Whereas, you know, in the 60s, 70s, they were more anti-conformist was the norm.
So I think that kind of goes in phases.
Although a lot of kids are still rebellious, But yeah, a lot of the younger generation now, they're very conformist to the government, the establishment.
It's kind of amazing because I can remember the time that was considered horrible to do to, you know, suck up to the establishment.
Exactly, exactly. That seems rather alien to me among teenagers.
People go to college and they want to get a job.
They're really serious about getting employed.
I mean, when I was in college, I mean, granted, it was a long time ago.
Well, gosh, I graduated from college in 1972, so I was there at the end of the 60s.
Boy, it was all about having a good time, and only these squares were really thinking in terms of getting a job and going to law school.
But no, it doesn't seem that way now.
They're all very eager to get a job.
You know, I saw a very interesting poll of the graduating class of Harvard, and I assumed that they answered these questions honestly, but according to the poll, 60% of Harvard students had not had a single puff of marijuana the whole time they were there.
Does that surprise you?
Oh, for my generation.
Yeah, when I went to college, I think there's rumors that there was some marijuana around.
I don't know, but I don't know.
Did you ever hear rumors at Yale back then?
At Yale, at Yale, you could get high just walking through the halls.
There was so much smoke blowing through the dormitories.
Yeah, it was just open then, and it's a different time.
But, you know, it was kind of a...
More free time too.
You could just do things and now we're so Orwellian.
I was flabbergasted by that.
Sixty percent had not even smoked marijuana.
And you know the other figure that surprised me was that the median number of sexual liaisons during the entire four years at Harvard.
Guess what the median number was?
Three. One.
Really? Yes, yes.
It makes me feel better about myself.
Yes, one. Maybe that's Harvard.
I'm sure Yale's a completely different place.
Who knows? Yeah, well, it could be the demographics, too, of...
I don't know. It seems like there's more women in college now, too, right, than men?
So that changes things a little bit.
Well, gosh, I thought that would have upped the number a little bit, but maybe not.
But, well, you know, just to conclude this conversation about young people, I'd like to leave a quote with you from a fellow named Spencer Piston.
He is a professor at Syracuse University.
And he's talking about the racial divide.
He says it dwarfs other divides in public policy.
Age differences in public opinion are small in comparison to racial differences.
And then he concludes, young whites have the same level of racial stereotypes as their parents.
And he's just flabbergasted by this.
How do you react to Professor Piston?
Well, I think he should really check his premises and figure out why that's the case, because the young people today, they've all been subject to a big anti-racism message since the time they were born, right?
There's nothing more evil than being racist, and they still think that way.
So what can you conclude from that?
There must be some other reason.
Maybe it has to do with not just hatred or propaganda, Maybe it could deal with some reality.
At least that's something he should consider as a possibility.
You know, that's the thing that that generation absolutely refuses to consider.
They seem to think that every stereotype is false.
Whereas when you think about it, now let's say you and I, say we want to start some nasty stereotype against Asians, and we're going to stereotype them as sex-crazed, violent maniacs.
And every time we talk about Asians, we're going to describe them that way.
Do you think we'd get any traction with a stereotype like that?
Yeah. No, I don't think so.
Well, maybe some of the girls.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, the stereotypes are based on truth.
That's why they're a stereotype.
You know, it's kind of like the old stereotype, even among white ethnicities, like the Irish drinking, right?
There's probably some truth to that a little bit, maybe.
So, I don't know.
Yes, to me, it's just hilarious that this guy is absolutely flabbergasted that young whites have the same level of racial stereotype as their parents.
As you say, don't you think that he could ask himself the question, well, maybe there's some truth to those stereotypes?
Well, I guess that's just too much for Professor Spencer Piston of Syracuse University.
Yeah, and that's really a sad nature of the, you know, our academia.
They no longer look at things objectively or what I was taught as the scientific method, you know.
And you look at things as how they are.
They already have like a foregone conclusion and they try to fit the data to prove what they want to prove, which really isn't science.
It's just propaganda. No, no.
I think that future generations, or at least I hope future generations, will look back on this period and be amazed at just the deliberate blindness with which people looked at obvious facts.
But maybe that's just wishful thinking.
They probably will. I sure hope so.
Anyway, Ramsey, Paul, thank you so much for joining me for this conversation.
I really appreciate it.
And if you are willing, one of these days, I'd be delighted to have you back on.
That'd be great. Yeah. Thank you, Jared.
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