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April 29, 2015 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Black Riots, White Flight
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and I have with me the legendary Paul Kersey.
He runs the website Stuff Black People Don't Like, that's at sbpdl.com, and he's the author of many books about race and race relations in the United States.
It's great to have you on.
Thanks for being on this podcast.
Jared, it seems like we're going to be talking more and more.
Well, it looks that way.
Today, of course, we're talking about the Baltimore riots.
And this is Wednesday morning, and Tuesday night appears to have been a night of relative calm.
With 2,000 National Guardsmen and 1,000 policemen, they seem to have more or less enforced a curfew, as opposed to the night before, Monday night, when we had considerable violence and looting and burning.
But I wanted to start out by quoting a fellow named Robert Wilson.
He is interviewed in the New York Times of this morning, and he's explaining just why the riots took place.
And I think his view is a very important one.
The New York Times quotes him this way.
We're just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we're tired of this.
Like nobody wants to wake up and see broken down buildings.
They take away the community centers.
They take away our fathers.
We have houses that are crumbling, falling down.
Well, how do you react to this as an explanation for looting and rioting and attacking policemen?
Well, Jared, it really goes back to the history of Baltimore.
And, you know, this is a city that has such an important role in the American experiment.
This is where Francis Scott Key saw the flag still flying over Fort McHenry in 1814.
We just celebrated the 200th anniversary of the National Anthem.
And, of course, you know Francis Scott Key was one of the Pioneering members of the American Colonization Society.
And you have to wonder what he would think 200 years, 201 years later, seeing what once was one of America's really great cities.
I mean, it was always a gritty kind of blue-collar city.
But to see the row houses, the Daily Mail back in September of 2013 wrote an article about just these beautiful row houses that were decaying and blighted.
And I think that you said something recently to me that I'd like to address and that was about when Napoleon did his march on Egypt and the Bedouin tribes were camping in front of the pyramids and they had no idea what they were who built them.
And that's what you have to understand with Baltimore is that there's this cognitive dissonance going on and that the black population of Baltimore, which is about 65% black now, They really don't understand that they had virtually nothing to do with the building of the infrastructure of Baltimore that whites abandoned when they fled the crime and the 1968 riots and rebuilt the city, basically, and surrounding Baltimore County.
So, it's astounding that he would say something like that, but it makes sense in the context of the narrative of eternal victimization and...
And seeing these things crumble, he just doesn't understand that they had nothing to do with the building of this city, and they have nothing to do with the maintaining of it.
Well, I think, to me, that's the remarkable aspect of it, is he's complaining that they're living in broken-down houses.
Well, how does he think that the houses that white people live in refrain from being broken?
It's because they pay to have them repaired.
They work on them themselves.
And he seems to think that just because his neighborhood is full of falling down houses, that is a justification to riot.
I also love it when he says, they take away our fathers.
What do you think of that?
Well, you know, that's a fascinating point because I did a study.
You know, you always hear about lynching being brought up.
And if you recall, Tuskegee University did a study that showed over an 86-year time period, I want to say there were about 4,743 lynchings in America from 1882 to 1968.
And of those, 3,446 were black.
Which counted for 72% of the lynchings over an 86 year time period.
In Baltimore alone, Jared, from 2007 to 2013, there were 1,629 murders, of which 91.5% were black on black.
If anyone's taking away the fathers of Baltimore, it's the black community themselves when they're engaging in these petty crimes where you have people shooting one another over parking spots.
I think also when he talks about taking away our fathers, most of the fathers took themselves away.
It was a voluntary decision.
That's right. That's right.
They weren't necessarily killed.
They weren't necessarily arrested.
They just buggered off. They weren't interested in being fathers.
But I'm fascinated that the New York Times should publish this explanation of the riots without any commentary at all, as if this is a reasonable expression of why blacks are rioting.
Well, to put the Baltimore riots in perspective, how does the damage and say the arrest figures, how does that stack up with some of the really classic race riots in the United States, say about 1968 around the time Martin Luther King was killed?
Yeah, compared to the Detroit riot of I think 67, the riots that erupted in 68, the riot in Rochester in the early 60s, these really This Baltimore right is of no comparison.
There's no one been killed. The arrests are an order of magnitude less than the arrests in Chicago.
the damage to the infrastructure of Baltimore.
Really, in most parts of Baltimore, you can't get much more damaged
because they haven't rebuilt a lot of the, a lot of the burned down buildings from 68.
And the row houses are, of course, collapsing.
So you can't really compare these riots because they're nowhere near as bad,
this 2015 Baltimore riot.
Yes, that's certainly my impression as well.
But of course, the city is reacting by shutting down schools.
Major League Baseball games are being postponed.
They're shutting down metro stations here and there.
And I believe last night they did have 2,000 National Guardsmen and 1,000 police officers on the streets.
Jared, if I could say, I think the difference though, and I think you'll agree with this, what's fascinating about today is that the 2015 Baltimore riots have virtually been endorsed by the reigning black political establishment in Baltimore.
We saw Stephanie... Rawlings-Blake, shocking comment about giving space to destroy on April 25th when the Baltimore Orioles, primarily white fans, were forced to stay inside Camden Yards because of ongoing violence.
They locked them in the stadium.
Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, of course, endorsed that.
Yesterday, I think most shockingly, the black police commissioner defended the response of the police on April 27th when most of the city burned That's when the large part of the city burned and didn't have the curfew.
He said that, and I quote, the decision not to move faster was related to the fact that many rioters were as young as 14 or 15 and the community did not want to see the police use force on teens.
They're old enough to know better.
They're old enough to know not to do those things.
They're old enough to be accountable.
But they're still kids, unfortunately.
So we had to take that into account while we were out there.
Unquote. That's the police commissioner of Baltimore, a black male who's actually from California, and whose only qualification to be the police commissioner of Baltimore was that he was black.
Well, and those 13 and 14-year-olds are certainly capable of looting and starting fires.
I think it's quite interesting also that after Stephanie Rawlings-Blake made that point about giving the rioters space, Then, as things got worse, she did call them criminals and thugs.
But now I gather she's apologizing for having said that.
Is that correct? Not only that, Jared, it's gotten so much worse now because the narrative shifted entirely.
This was never about Freddie Gray.
Baltimore, again, it's 65% black.
The public schools in Baltimore are pushing 90% black.
The kids there get free meals, not just for lunch, but for breakfast as well.
You're talking about a city that in 2014, in July of 2014, because of what those young kids that Police Commissioner Batts defended their actions as they're just kids, they had to institute the harshest curfew back in 2014 because of what these kids were doing to drive away business and keep tourism away from the city.
But the president of the Baltimore City Council, Jack Young, another black guy, he stood side by side with gang members yesterday and apologized for calling the rioters thugs and instead said, hey, those responsible for the violence, they're only misdirected youths.
Then last night, Jared, on CNN, I can't repeat the word, but another Baltimore City Council member Lashed out against a CNN host, Aaron Burnett, and said that, you know, you've got to stop calling these rioters thugs.
Why don't you just call them the N-word?
And he was quite angry about it, quite animated.
So now we're seeing the Baltimore political leadership begin to side with and find common ground with these rioters, these thugs.
Yes, I understand that Stephanie Rawlings-Blake is now saying that, having said that it was wrong of her, she said she got angry and said something she shouldn't have said, and now she says, what we have are lots of kids acting out, people in our community acting out.
So, it's nothing like criminals, nothing like thugs.
And yes, I think it's quite significant that as soon as any white person points out black misbehavior, blacks all close ranks and defend what they did.
And no, no, no, we're not to call them criminals.
Now, what position has the great white father, Barack Obama, taken on all of this?
The great white half-father, Barry O., You know, it's funny, Jared.
We saw him come out infamously on November 25th when the grand jury in St.
Louis County decided not to press charges against Darren Wilson based on overwhelming evidence.
He did nothing wrong. And we saw him incite the mob by saying that he understood there'd be a reaction, a negative reaction to the grand jury's decision.
But his response yesterday on April 28th when he was talking with the Prime Minister during a joint press conference, I think was even worse.
I think it was even worse.
We're talking about 50 years ago, in March of 1965, Moynihan wrote his report on the Negro family.
And here we are, 50 years later, after spending trillions upon trillions of dollars, lost opportunity costs, we've seen white flight have to rebuild city after city in the suburbs of Atlanta, Memphis, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New York City, Newark, you name it.
And he's still blaming white society and refusing.
No one can acknowledge black dysfunction, even our black president, who seemed to side once again with those thugs who are burning Baltimore and making it uninhabitable for civilization.
Well, he did say that these people are criminals.
Now, maybe like Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, he may decide that that was overstepping the bounds and may decide that they are acting out, too.
But I don't think so. I think he'll stick by his position that they are criminals.
But in his view, he says, we as a country have to do some soul-searching.
The other quotation that I saw this morning for him was that if we really want to solve the problem, if our society really wanted to solve it, We could.
And of course, what he's talking about, as the Baltimore Sun paraphrased, he says this will require politically difficult choices on education, criminal justice reform, economic investment in neighborhoods often overlooked.
This sounds like the Great Society all over again.
It didn't work the last time.
Do you think even if we had the resources and the will to do all these things, could blacks be brought up to anywhere near a white level?
I think that the answer to that is a simple, emphatic, no.
We've tried it.
It's failed. We gave up our space program.
We gave up so much in terms of investing in our future to invest in a future that has given us St.
Louis and Ferguson. I'm sorry, the Ferguson of 2015 and the Baltimore of 2015.
Let's go back to that council president, Jack Young, who stood with the black crip and all the gang members the other day and apologized, calling them misdirected youth.
This guy pushed for ban the box legislation last year, and it passed in Baltimore.
That means that employers can't ask about if they're an ex-offender or not on job applications.
And he explicitly did this, Jared, because there are too many black males who have records in Baltimore.
And who are being discriminated against.
He said that, quote, they paid their dues by serving their time.
When is enough enough?
Unquote. Well, I think by definition enough will be enough only when blacks are achieving at the same level as whites.
And because we know for genetic and biological reasons that is not foreseeable anywhere near in the next century or so, it will never be enough.
And that's why you will continue to get voices like Barack Obama saying, we need more investment, we need to make difficult choices, until, I believe, the country prepared to say, no, the races are different, and we can't expect them to be equal.
We will go round and round in this same crazy, unproductive, vicious cycle.
But, you know, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake has been criticized for saying that we had to give those who wanted to destroy space to destroy.
And yet, isn't she simply putting into words what the current thinking is when blacks riot?
I mean, after all, before the decision was announced in Ferguson that Darren Wilson was not going to be indicted, They called up the National Guard in advance, but still they had riots.
So isn't she really putting into words what is now common practice?
We don't want to hurt the little deers, let them work off a little steam, and then we'll try to restore order later.
I think that that's exactly right.
I think that now the operating procedure for our law enforcement officer community and for the National Guard is that They've been told that if they retaliate and if they actually try and uphold some semblance of the law, it's only going to exacerbate the problem and spread the problem.
Because we've lived in a world where the narrative is that black dysfunction is a I mean, it's scary because go back to thinking about, you know, why that guy at the beginning of our conversation said that about the decaying city.
Think about what's being taught in the Baltimore public school system, which is 89%, you know, almost 90% black.
I mean, you can only imagine trying to get these kids to sit still.
They've got so many disciplinary problems in that public school system.
But just imagine what they're being taught about the history of Baltimore.
You know, who built it? You know, you always hear...
You always hear... You hear a lot of white liberals say this, but you always hear blacks on social media say, gosh, without blacks, how would America have been built?
Who would have built all of the infrastructure as if they...
They've really compartmentalized this as if they truly believe that's how these buildings were magically sprung up, or these streets and the plumbing and all this.
And it's just... It's stunning.
And... It's just stunning.
Well, yes, and at the same time, they're angry because the buildings that they are living in that were built and maintained for years by whites, they themselves no longer maintain and are tumbling down, and so now they're angry and resentful.
I suppose they expect white people out there doing the plumbing, doing the bricklaying and fixing things up and not charging just out of the goodness of their hearts because they don't do the work themselves and they won't hire anyone to do it.
In any case, yes, it is this actual, this perpetual state of victimization and expecting others to pick up after them.
If I could make one point real quick.
Ferguson, we're told that Ferguson was a form of apartheid, even though it was 100% white back in 1970, and that even upwards as 1990, it was 74% white.
Still, it was apartheid because there was a white police chief, a white mayor, a majority white city council.
It's important to point out that back in 1991, the first black mayor, Sheila Dixon, she became mayor in the mid-90s.
I'm sorry, in the mid-2000s.
She was a city council member at the time, and the city was beginning to shift in 1991 to a point where it was majority black, but its representation had still stayed majority white.
You're talking about Baltimore now.
Baltimore, yes. Talking about Baltimore.
And Sheila Dixon, who was forced to resign as Baltimore mayor in, I think, 2009 for stealing funds, she was a city council member in 1991, and she said infamously to some of her white colleagues, She took her shoe off, waved it in the faces of her white colleagues, and declared, You've been running things for the last 20 years.
Now the shoe is on the other foot.
See how you like it." And from that point forward, Baltimore would retain, except for Martin O'Malley as mayor for about eight years, they would have a black mayor, they would have a majority black city council, and there would always be a black mayor.
Except for a couple years in O'Malley's tenure, there'd always be a black police chief.
So blacks have really run Baltimore for decades.
It's their city.
Yes, I understand that about half of the police force is black.
The fire chief is black.
And the fire chief was put in by Stephanie Rawlings Blake primarily because he had a record in some southern town as being very, very aggressive about making sure that blacks were hired as firemen, even if they were not very qualified.
Apparently he's very good at Slipping around civil service requirements.
But yes, this is a black-run city, and as you point out, it's been run by blacks for quite some time.
So who are they complaining to, these people who say that somehow people are not providing them with the lovely housing that they deserve?
Who do they really blame this on?
This nebulous white privilege that somehow manifests in the suburbs wherever whites go meaning that property value rises meaning that streets are clean meaning that garbage is picked up meaning that police are only called if a cat is in a tree meaning that businesses want to relocate there meaning that the schools are thriving and probably some of the best in Maryland They're complaining about the fact that race is real and yet race can be undefined in American public life.
I think that about sums it up.
Well, I very much appreciate your being with me for this podcast today, and we'll keep our eye on Baltimore.
And do you think there are any other cities in particular that we should keep our eye on as the hot summer approaches?
Three cities, Jared. Three cities.
Philadelphia, Indianapolis, and Milwaukee.
Milwaukee probably is the hottest, but Philadelphia and Indianapolis without a doubt.
All right. We'll keep our eye on them.
And thanks so much. It's been a pleasure having you on.
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