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Sept. 5, 2014 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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The Rotherham Sex-Grooming Scandal
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Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and welcome to Renaissance Radio.
Today I'll be speaking with a guest about a recent terrific scandal in Britain.
This is the discovery of the latest and apparently most spectacular case of underage white girls being groomed for sexual exploitation by Pakistanis living in Britain.
And my guest to speak about this is Matthew Tate.
Mr. Tate is a former BNP official and activist, and he's been a candidate for elections.
But since 2010 or later, he has formed his own organization called Western Spring.
Which advocates an entirely new approach in advancing the cause of British nationalism.
And you can follow his activities at his website, which is www.westernspring.co.uk And their motto is, for generations past and those yet to come, we fight, which sounds like a very inspiring motto.
He is also involved in the Traditional Britain Group and the London Forum.
And so, Mr. Tate, could you just sketch out briefly and concisely, if you would, what this, what's called the Rotherham Scandal is all about?
Certainly. Well, first of all, thank you, Jared, for inviting me to join you on the show.
I'm glad I can make a contribution.
So with this remarkable story, really, it's something that has been played out in the media, sort of reached the surface of the media over the course of the last few years, numerous times.
But the story that's really come to light in Rotherham in the last week or so has really been into a new league and that really is because of the sheer number of girls that are involved.
There has been over the course of the last, probably since around 2006, there's been a number of moderately high-profile cases of Pakistani men, usually Pakistani Muslim men, what's been termed as grooming in the British media and that term grooming has now become completely associated with sexual exploitation.
These groups have cropped up in numerous towns across Britain in some surprising places actually, including not just places where they have large Muslim populations like in Rotherham and other northern mining towns, but also in places much more far-flung really and rather surprising like Telford in Shropshire, which is a very rural county, and even in Oxford, which obviously is a very world-famous city for the university.
So these things have been going on for quite some time, and the story in Rotherham really is the pinnacle of this ongoing story that started back in 2006.
Well, tell me, how does this grooming process work?
I must say it's a little bit bewildering for American readers to imagine that girls as young as 11 or 12 or 13 are exploited in this way, and these Muslim men completely seem to be getting away with it.
How does this happen?
Well, I'm glad it's bewildering.
Hopefully it remains bewildering and you don't ever have to see it yourselves.
Really, the way that it seems to work is that in many of these places there are Teenage and sometimes younger than teenage girls who are perhaps from rather broken families who are from dysfunctional backgrounds who are rather vulnerable and they might tend to be hanging around on the streets because they don't have anything to do at home and they're looking for some excitement and just really just being kids and trying to enjoy themselves in their own local area.
And what tends to happen is that Groups of these Muslim Pakistani men usually drive around in town in BMWs and prestigious cars and they've obviously got money and they're quite arrogant and might come across as being very confident and exciting.
And some of the girls probably have so little going on in their lives and they're so desperate for excitement and so naive that they don't realize really what they're getting involved in.
And it probably starts off very much just as conversation and them being interested in the girls and saying, oh, you're very pretty.
Where are you from?
You're really interesting. Oh, maybe you'd like to have a photograph taken with my car or maybe you'd like to come for a ride in my car.
How would you like to come and have a party with me and my friends?
So this is the way it tends to start from the accounts that I've read.
Well, it certainly does sound that these tend to be, I hate to put it in these terms, but somewhat lower-class girls who don't have much going for them.
This seems to come out in a way in the news stories, but people seem to hesitate to want to put it in such brutal terms, but is that generally correct?
Well, I've tried to ascertain that for myself in my own research, and to be honest, it's been very difficult to try to To try and get a nail on that one because the girls who are involved, for obvious reasons, are kept protected from too much scrutiny because of their identity.
You have to protect their identity in these kinds of cases.
And often they are very, very young and you're never going to find out really who they are.
And not knowing who they are, you can't really find out what kind of family backgrounds they're from.
However, in numerous cases I've seen it referring to them as people from, you know, Rather difficult backgrounds from families that are broken, as I've already said, people who are very vulnerable in society, and as you say, probably would be considered by a lot of people as being perhaps from the underclass, if you like.
Right. Well, a lot of them, or at least some of them, seem to be described as being in state care, which sounds as though they're, what, in orphanages or they're in foster homes?
That seems to be almost even more scandalous in that the government is looking after these girls, and yet they are caught up in this kind of thing.
Well, again, I haven't been able to find the details of exactly the backgrounds of these girls, but I think you're certainly right that state care does mean orphanages or foster families.
It could be that they are living in foster care.
The fact that they are in foster care means that they aren't really with their biological parents.
Perhaps the foster parents, usually in this country, in my experience, foster families tend to take in Reasonably large numbers of children and probably looking after them is rather difficult and they would tend to be more distant from the family and probably have a lot more freedom to go as they please.
So it could well be that a lot of these girls perhaps are living either in orphanages or less directly in state care with a foster family and are just rather distant from their family and don't have the level of protection and supervision that really any child of that age should have.
Right. Well, I know that there has been a well-publicized report put out by an investigator by the name of Alexis Jay, and she says that despite the fact that she is an experienced investigator of child sexual exploitation, she's been shocked by the, her words, utter brutality of what's been happening.
I don't want to perhaps shock our listeners too much, but can you give us some examples of what really – once these girls fall into these nets, what then is done with them?
First of all, I think it should be said that really – well, to repeat what's been said of the Rotherham case, and that is that the case in Rotherham that's been investigated by Alexis Jay has been – The most shocking by far than any of the other examples.
The case that I found the most detail in and some examples that I've got for you here are actually from a gang of a similar nature.
So again, Muslim, largely Pakistani men abusing children as young as 11 in this case, between 11 and 15 years old in Oxford.
Now this gang was operating supposedly from 2004 to 2012.
They groomed these children who were from dysfunctional backgrounds, who were unlikely to be believed, if they were to tell the authorities, some living in care homes.
They tended to give the children presents and ply them with alcohol.
They introduced them to crack and heroin.
After the girls became dependent on the men, they were guarded so they couldn't escape and were threatened so that if they tried to escape, their families could be harmed in some way if they ever tried to leave.
The girls were raped in every orifice, sometimes by several men at the same time, the abuse occasionally lasting for several days at a time, and the girls were also taken around as child prostitutes between different towns, including Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough, and Bournemouth.
Now, all of those towns, except perhaps the latter, Bournemouth, are very well known for having large communities of ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims.
The The crimes against these girls were not purely sexual though.
They were also of a violent nature and included things like burning them with cigarettes, torturing them with knives and bats and other weapons.
Some very, very horrific stories that I won't really go into any more detail.
But you can see really that this isn't just a case of using these girls for sex.
It's a case of using these girls for the gratification of sadists.
And the sadistic nature of these crimes is hard to overstate.
It certainly is my impression that it's not simply a matter of getting sex, but of then pimping these girls around to all one's fellow Muslims.
But the reports that I've seen is that they always say most of these perpetrators are Muslims or Asians.
Have there been any similar cases of white people in Britain grooming girls and passing them around in this manner?
Or are people just using this formula just to stay on the safe side?
Most of them being Asian.
Are there any whites who've been doing this?
Well, from the information I found about this particular crime, which let's just disassociate this from a more standard form of pedophilia or sex crime.
The grooming gang itself All of the perpetrators of the crimes that I've been able to find have been largely Muslims of a Pakistani background or generally Muslims anyway.
There have been, I think, around about three names that I've found who could well be white English men.
Because they have English names.
Of course, an English name could be a black person.
I suspect probably that these are white English guys who have somehow got involved in these gangs.
And I also found one case of a Sikh name.
I think it was a someone Singh.
And I know that a Singh surname means that they are from a Sikh background.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't convert to Islam, of course.
So certainly it's not completely cut and dry but overwhelmingly with this particular type of crime it is Muslims and almost entirely the Muslims are from a Pakistani background rather than from say a Middle Eastern or North African background.
Well, it certainly seems to show a profound contempt for whites in general, for white women, for non-Muslim women.
Is this the impression that one gets from these crimes?
Really, just a hatred of British society and of white women?
Yeah, this really brings me back to some of my early experiences of being involved in the identitarian movement through the BNP. If you look back to the time, for example, when Nick Griffin was on Newsnight with Gavin Esler, and he was talking about how Islam was spread at the point of a sword, often using rape.
And he was really given a hard time by the interviewer, Gavin Esler, on this matter.
And he was sort of making it like a big emotional shock that Nick Griffin could go on television and say these things.
Of course, Nick Griffin was able to quote the Koran and was able to give examples from 100 years ago in India where exactly this kind of thing took place.
Now, looking a bit more into the religion that I learned about when I was in the BNP and since then, you can find numerous cases of The Quran talking about people who are not Muslim and women in very derogatory ways, full of absolute hatred.
The relationship of Muslims with the infidels is actually one of the most important in the whole of the Quran.
Huge amounts of writing within the Quran in different elements of it are to do with the relationship of the Muslim with the non-Muslim.
And what comes through very, very clearly in this subject is that the It completely dehumanizes anyone who is not a Muslim.
So as a Muslim, you are seen as being the only, you know, almost God's chosen people and that anyone else who is not a Muslim is an infidel or a kafir, which means cattle.
There are descriptions of non-Muslims as animals and beasts, as the worst creatures and demons, as perverted transgressors and partners of Satan to be fought until the religion of Allah is alone in the world.
And The Quran, in numerous cases, basically commands Muslims to behead the non-believers, to terrorize them, annihilate them, crucify them, punish them, expel them, plot against them by deceit.
And the believers are in a constant war with the infidel.
So it seems to me this is a religious issue.
You know, it isn't Asian gangs, as they used to be described in the British media.
It's now being recognized as being a Muslim issue.
And it seems to be a...
A crime full of hatred that seems to come from the religion as it's taught by certain imams.
Well, that's certainly an impression that we get from a distance here in the United States.
Of course, the aspect that has been part of the huge scandal here is the extent to which the authorities seem to have completely brushed aside the reports of this sort of thing happening.
It seems to me there are two different things here.
One is they are ignoring examples of actual rape and statutory rape.
The age of consent in Britain is 16, and so presumably any man who has sex even with a 15-year-old is theoretically subject to prosecution for statutory rape.
On the other hand, they are now being accused of having ignored these things because the perpetrators were so consistently non-white.
And that they were afraid of accusations of racism.
So would you mind talking about these two things?
If people doing this had been white, would they have been persecuted?
Or is the whole business of statutory rape more or less observed in the breach in Britain?
But when you get to cases of actual rape, I cannot imagine cases of 11 or 12 or 13-year-old girls being raped by white men.
I cannot imagine the police simply saying, eh, don't worry about it.
It must have been consensual.
Well, absolutely. There would be no qualms in this country about giving the most harsh punishments to a white man who had physically forced rape with a very young girl of that kind.
There's been quite a few recent high-profile media stories about men who have what seem to be consensual relationships with girls who are about 15 years old.
A lot of these cases have been where the man has been a teacher or a man in responsibility for her as a child.
There's actually been, strangely, quite a number of high-profile cases as well, featuring women teachers having sex with underage boys who they were teaching in their classes.
and these have been covered widely in the media and these people have been decried as being
wicked wicked predatory pedophiles. So there's no reason to expect that this crime should be
ignored and of course that brings the focus back to the racial nature of these crimes and the
sort of 1984 kind of feeling where you can't say the truth and you don't speak up because you might
be accused of being a racist.
Being in the police force, you have to go through all kinds of sensitivity training and you get effectively trained and made completely aware of the fact that you have to tread on eggshells around anyone who doesn't have a white skin or who isn't in some way part of the majority.
They could be a minority of another kind, but of course you must tread on eggshells at all times.
The investigation in Rotherham has been preceded by reports in 2002 to 2006.
There had been three prior reports and all of them could not have been clearer about the nature of what was going on in Rotherham.
The children were being abused in this way and reports had been lodged with the authorities on three separate occasions between 2002 and 2006.
Nothing was done.
Just coming back to some of the commentaries from some of the responsible people in this area, you've got people like Sarah Champion, who is an MP for a nearby South Yorkshire constituency.
She says, most child abusers are white males.
And of course, what she's trying to do is she's trying to say the racial nature of these crimes is not something that should be picked up upon.
Because it could lead to racism, it could lead to all kinds of community tensions between these different groups, and therefore talking about the racial nature of it is something that is off limits.
Of course, religious nature being a part of that racial nature.
But the thing that occurs to me is, for example, if you were to flip this around, let's take the example of Stephen Lawrence, who I'm sure you'd be familiar with.
he's a black teenager from the 1990s who was killed in the streets of London. Now
there's by no means a consensus of opinion on the the nature of his his
murder but it was certainly a high-profile media case that was deemed
to be a group of white racists who killed him because he was black. Now
let's just take that as a given. If we were to say for example that the
murderers of Stephen Lawrence, well if we were to say for example that all
murderers, that most murderers are black and therefore the race of the Lawrence
murderers should be ignored.
Of course, the media wouldn't have been interested in that.
Well, that kind of thinking is something that's entirely familiar to us in the United States.
We have exactly the same kind of dynamic.
If there is a horrible crime perpetrated by blacks against whites, that's something that the media downplay.
The reverse, of course, becomes a coast-to-coast sensation.
But this kind of racial double standard, it is very, very hard for me to imagine it going to the point of the police
refusing even to investigate a crime simply because it was perpetrated by non-whites against
whites.
The police, it seems to me, so far in the United States, they will investigate the crime and they will go after the perpetrators, no matter what the race, no matter what the victim.
It's the media who are really in a twisted state of mind about this kind of thing.
But then to imagine a situation in which even the police authorities themselves are so terrified of an accusation of racism as to leave crimes uninvestigated.
We haven't reached that level of insanity yet in the United States.
And that's the aspect of it that leaves Americans, even racially wide awake Americans, really scratching their heads.
Yeah, absolutely. I certainly hope it stays that way.
I don't understand the full ins and outs of who was responsible for investigating these things.
Why were they not investigated?
Who is responsible for allowing this to continue without being investigated?
And I think that's because it's still being investigated now.
There is a big scandal obviously in the newspapers here, and there is a big push for a specific
investigation into this matter to find out exactly what went wrong, who was responsible,
why did they not fulfill their duties to the safety of the children in their care.
I haven't got an answer as to why this has been allowed to happen, but I can certainly
give you the assurance that in this country we live in a state of perpetual fear of being
referred to as a racist, and effectively it means that to be, as a police officer, if
I was deemed to have been racist in any way, it would probably ruin my career.
If it ruins my career, I probably wouldn't be able to get another job very easily at
If I don't have another job, my life is effectively ruined forever because I have a large mortgage on my home, I have gigantic student fees to pay back from when I did a degree in a subject that doesn't really mean anything, and it would effectively end my life.
So it could be a situation that is so acute for the individual that they have the choice as to whether they try to help someone and do the right thing, But by doing so, effectively render their own lives meaningless, if you like. Well, you see, American police officers face exactly those same pressures.
And yet, to repeat myself really, we are not at the point at which a white police officer would simply...
Neglect to investigate a crime because the suspect was black or Hispanic or some non-white person.
It's that step that just seems difficult to imagine, although it would be difficult to imagine 30 or 40 years ago the state of mind that prevails in the United States in other respects, so perhaps that's the direction in which we're headed.
But, you see, surely this investigation will, if it really is pursued in a vigorous way, it will bring to light actual individuals who have made irreprehensible decisions.
And let us hope that they will be disciplined in some way because, so far as I understand it, there is no one in Rotham or anywhere else who has been disciplined or punished for having neglected to pursue crimes for fear of an accusation of racism.
Is that correct? Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct.
I've done a lot of research into this topic and I have found that not a single council official, politician or care worker has faced any kind of disciplinary action of any kind to do with this matter at all.
And yet, it's not as though this is the first time this phenomenon has appeared.
You mentioned 2006, I believe, as the first occasion of this.
In American Renaissance here, we've been reporting on this phenomenon for some time.
And I saw a news report in which a fellow named Simon Danczuk Or Danchuk, a labor MP for Rushdale, he was talking about, he stood up in the House of Commons and said that this stuff has been going on in his constituency, but the social workers had simply said that these underage girls in state care, the phenomenon should be ignored because it was simply their life choice to become prostitutes.
Now, here's a man standing up saying that in the House of Commons, and apparently at that time, no one paid any attention to that remark.
We're not there yet in the United States.
Now, maybe we will get there, but this is an area in which you have surpassed even us in multi-culti, self-hating insanity.
But anyway...
It seems to me that if Asians, Asians themselves must recognize that they were able to get away with this for the reasons that they apparently were able to get away with it.
In other words, they had protective coloring.
I wonder, now this may be a very difficult thing for you to have any sense of because unless these people go on trial and they're grilled about this, it's not the kind of thing that the media would inquire into.
But I should think that once they realize that they can get away with this kind of thing, they should be thinking in terms of getting away with all kinds of things.
They should think they could play the race card as it were In practically any circumstance.
Do you have any sense of that?
Or does that just involve too much speculation to try to get into the mentality of these men?
No, I think you're absolutely right.
I think it's a bit like if you have a teenager who wants to push the boundaries and you don't set the boundaries strongly, then they will keep on pushing and pushing and pushing and could become very wild and allure unto themselves.
And that's the same with any adult.
If you're in a situation like that and you're trying to find where the limits are, if you don't ever find the limits, you keep on pushing and pushing and pushing and you cross the line and leave the line way, way behind you.
Of course, what's happened in this country is that time after time after time, we've allowed these people to get away with things that other people wouldn't have been allowed to get away with, purely because they've got the race card to play.
The more you allow them space to do that, you give an inch, they take a yard, and that's what they're doing here.
Yes. Well, from what I've been able to gather reading news reports in the British press, everyone is legitimately furious at the authorities in Rotherham.
And yet it doesn't seem to me that the other obvious conclusion has been reached, namely that none of this would have happened if there had not been a large number of Pakistanis living in the United Kingdom.
Does anyone seem to be prepared to reach that rather obvious conclusion, or is this all just mostly tut-tutting about, my gosh, the police fell down on the job?
Well, we have in Britain a reasonably fortunate situation in that we have a reasonably broad spectrum of opinion within the mass media.
It's far from perfect, but compared to some other countries, we do have very popular newspapers that are considered to be of the right.
And papers like the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, the Daily Telegraph, and even some of the more lefty newspapers have actually been covering this as a matter of, has multiculturalism failed?
Now, I've yet to see anybody say, we made a mistake back in 19-whatever when we allowed these people to come over here, and that this would never have happened had we not had Muslims in our country.
I've not seen anyone come to those conclusions, and I think that would probably be a bit too much for any of our media to handle.
However, there have been references made to Enoch Powell and his Rivers of Blood speech, and as is often the case, whenever there's riots and racial strife caused by this multicultural experiment, people look back to the Enoch Powell speech and say he was right.
And I think that that cry is starting to ring that much louder in the streets of Rotherham.
Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that, although it does seem a little surprising to me that no one in the mainstream media is prepared to state the obvious, namely this problem never would have arisen had those people not come.
But as you say, that may be just a little bit too far to go.
But to criticize what's happening now as a failure of multiculturalism...
That almost suggests that once again it's a failure of British society, that Britain itself did not teach these poor benighted Muslims how they should behave in a Western country.
Is that not the implication somehow?
Yeah, I think there is always that element to it.
It's always about not blaming, not placing the blame, trying to reassure that everyone is equal and everyone wants the same thing, everyone wants peace and justice and all the rest of it.
And all we need to do is love each other more and hold hands and dance under the rainbow and everything will be okay.
Just flip over the Beatles record and let's keep on dancing.
But, you know, it's wearing pretty thin for the parents in Rotherham and other places.
And quite frankly, in my 10-year experience of being involved in the movement, I think that this stands out by far and away as the biggest ripple in the pond of multiculturalism that I've ever experienced, even beyond the bombings on the 7th of July back in 2005, when, of course, a group of Muslims blew up Tube trains and buses in central London Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that.
Of course, in the United States we have scandal after scandal, and it doesn't seem to ultimately make any large difference in the way most white Americans feel about their country.
It seems that there is a gradually building sense of fury among people who have no voice, but these events don't seem to translate into any kind of sensible public policy.
But I'm hoping that in the case of Britain, this Rotherham scandal, and I hope that it stays in the news for a long time.
I hope these people go on trial.
I hope that the people who are responsible go on trial.
I hope that every nose in Britain will be rubbed in this for months to come.
But in any case...
It seems to me that this is just one of a number of things that seem to be happening.
The Trojan horse scandal of Muslims apparently taking over schools, the vote rigging in Tower Hamlets.
Just briefly describe that sort of thing.
Then also, this ISIS fellow who seems to have a business of cutting people's heads off on television, who has a British accent.
These are really quite shocking things, and it seems to me the cumulative effect must really be a powerful battering ram against this multi-culti ideal.
But could you tell us briefly about the Trojan horse scandal, for example?
Well, the Trojan horse scandal really is linked to a particular policy that was brought in by the conservative and liberal government that we have, and that is to allow groups to be much more independent in the education system.
So an authority of some kind or a group of people can come forward to the government and say, instead of just giving the funds from the government to a school as a general state school, give the funding to us and we are going to run a more particular state school that is That is, for example, directed at sports or to do things in a particular way, to try new things and find out in education what is going to work and what's going to work better than things that have been done before.
So this policy really has been fronted by a chap called Michael Gove, who is a Conservative MP. Overall, I've been reasonably favourable about the policy because it's enabled lots of educators to come along and to prove that they can do it better than the government can do it.
However, in this case, it was taken advantage of by a group of Muslims, largely in the West Midlands, Birmingham area.
We're responsible for a number of different schools and effectively we're using government funding to run very radically Islamic schools that taught effectively the various things I told you which are straight from the Quran which are highly unsatisfactory from a point of view of an Englishman or of anyone who is not a Muslim.
Is it possible to say how many schools were in the process of being set up and taken over in this fashion?
I haven't got these statistics to hand, but I believe it was in the region of six to ten schools, largely in the Midlands region of England.
This sounds like a system that's very similar to what we have called charter schools that
are established on the same principle.
The idea being that a group can seek a charter to come up with an alternative form of education.
And as has happened in Britain, there have been groups of Hispanics and blacks in the
United States who have set up schools that were militantly anti-white.
Now those schools generally have been exposed pretty quickly, pretty early on, and their charters have been removed.
But when you have dissident groups living in a country, when they see an opportunity to set up some kind of alternative form of education that can promote their particular views, they will take that opportunity.
But could you tell me also about the Tower Hamlets business?
It seems almost to have been just an almost direct importation of subcontinental politics into Great Britain.
Yeah, well, you can probably imagine exactly what that's about and how vote rigging works.
I'm sure you must have exactly the same kinds of things going on in areas in America.
But effectively, what it is, is that you can take the people out of the third world, but you can't take the third world out of the people.
So you have an area of East London called Tower Hamlets, which is a ridiculous minority
of white people that live there.
And it's largely dominated by rival personalities who are largely from the Muslim community.
And they will stop at nothing to get themselves into power and to get money.
So all the rules are cast aside.
There is no respect for fairness, justice, or representation of the people.
Politics is an opportunity for a career.
It's an opportunity to be successful, to make money and to get power.
And they effectively just go to war, getting themselves into those positions.
And whoever can cheat the best wins.
It's a rotten borough in a whole new way.
Well, and this has received a fair amount of rather scandalized attention, has it not?
Yeah, it has.
As you kind of say, though, these things sort of pop up and everyone is slightly scandalized.
You know, people on the right have all of their previous thoughts pretty much reaffirmed by these stories and then people sort of carry on their daily lives.
It's really down to people like us on the right to organize ourselves properly to make the most of these kinds of opportunities when people are frustrated and when the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of the situation we're in It gives us an opportunity to mobilize our people to create something new.
So really I see the responsibility of people in our groups really about trying to find out intelligent ways of grouping people together, reunifying them, saying we can build a better world than this, we can do better than this, and come and join us and take part in that.
Well, this is an excellent lead-in to what was going to be my final question then, and that is, could you tell us more about Western Spring?
How is it that you are trying to, as you say, secure the salvation of the British people?
Well, there was actually one final thing I was going to share with you in regards to
the issue in Rotherham because you mentioned this guy, I think it was Dymanszuk, a sort
of Polish sounding… Danczuk, Simon Danczuk.
Simon Danczuk.
He was talking about how the care workers didn't really seem to listen or didn't care
or basically thought that it was the responsibility of these girls or their life choice to become
prostitutes.
There's a thread here which is like an undercurrent that's not been picked up in the media anywhere, but is something that has been quite well publicised within UKIP, for example, and that is this concept of common purpose.
Common purpose is an organisation within Britain that was set up by the liberal left in the sort of post-Frankfurt School fashion of getting into the institutions and slowly marching through them and changing the world subtly.
Now, Common purpose is a bit like the old boys' network for the right.
So you've got the old Etonians and the sort of public school networks for a lot of people, and that works as a network.
Common purpose was set up for people on the left to subtly impose a left-wing agenda on this country and to usurp the moral character of the nation.
Now, most of the people who work in the public sector are members of common purpose.
Particularly the senior ones and it seems that really the only way you can become a senior leader within a public body like the care industry or like council workers you must be a member of common purpose.
Now common purpose you have to progress through different levels and you go through various different education and it's all about how effectively your job is almost secondary so if you are the head of Rotherham Council you Being head of Rotherham Council is secondary to the imposition of a utopian socialist state where everyone is equal, blah, blah, blah. So something that I'd like to flag up really is that these people who get into these positions of power are probably making decisions not for the interests of the children in mind, but they have ideological reasons for doing so and that they are fighting an ideological war that is unseen and they're doing it through the public institutions in this country and elsewhere.
Goodness gracious. I've never heard of common purpose.
No, this sounds like some modern version of the kinds of activities that used to be attributed to the Masons.
You go through these various degrees and you are more loyal to something else rather than to your country or to your profession or whatever it is.
But this sounds like it could be a subject of perhaps another radio renaissance.
But in any case... I'm suggesting really that there's probably various levels to it.
You've got people who would not be members of common purpose who are just negligent.
You've got people who are cowardly.
You've got people who are massively in debt and just daren't rock the boat for fear of throwing their own lives on the scrap heap.
And then you have the more senior people in authority who are likely to be members of common purpose and consider themselves to be We're good to go.
You know, that so often seems to be the case.
The people who preen themselves on their compassion, when push comes to shove, they have just the most barbarous views of people who they consider bas class.
It's really quite a hypocritical and terrible thing.
Well then, if we could, could we conclude with a little bit of an explanation from you about your organization, Western Spring?
Certainly, with pleasure.
Western Spring was a project that was started by myself and various colleagues of mine who I met through my career in the BNP and through other channels.
It was effectively made up of a group of people with an idea of the nature of things going on in this country and an understanding of the way things work.
In a similar vein to what I've described to you and the realisation that basic party politics like we used to engage in within the BNP just wasn't going to be enough to solve the problem and to win our country back.
So what we've done is we've taken a step back from that.
We've made a critique of the British nationalist movement over the past few decades and we've got people involved in Western Spring who have been involved in that for over 40 years.
And we've really decided upon a strategy which is based upon the reality of the situation we're in, that is intelligent and really pretty much tailor-made to our own particular situation in Britain.
And it really comes down to a couple of different strands.
One is about recruiting the highest quality and capable people that we possibly can and Unifying them in different ways to lend their weight to the fight to win our country back from these people.
The second part of it is to allow our people who are within our community to live again as a nation.
I'm very much like the Oswald Spengler phrase.
There where my beliefs are defended, there is my nation.
This nation really doesn't exist anymore.
It's a sort of a monstrous mockery of a nation that used to exist.
And effectively what we know we need to do is to stop asking for permission.
We need to stop saying we want our country back please and will you please stop doing
this.
And we know that we need to unify ourselves to such a point where we can take it back
because effectively by proxy.
So by living together in communities where our morality and our way of life is just the
reality on the ground instead of doing what we used to do within the BNP for example of
saying we want to bring back national service or we demand X.
What Western Spring wants to do is to make a national service program a reality now and
to make X a reality now and to prove by our own leadership that we are people who are
the leaders of the country that we want to build.
And by proving that, making people later vote for us.
So it's a complete flipping round of party politics, really.
Well, this sounds like a very encouraging and exciting prospect, and we certainly wish you every success.
And I'd like to thank you very much, Matthew Tate, for taking the time to throw so much light on the problem not only in Rotham But the general malaise in the United Kingdom.
And again, I wish you every success with Western Spring.
And I'm sure we'll be having you back on for another version of Radio Renaissance in the near future.
Thank you very much. Well, thank you very much, Jared.
It's been an honor to come on the show with you today on Amren.
And I certainly wish Amren all the very best as well.
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