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March 13, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:39:48
Joe Rogan Experience #2468 - Luke Grimes
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Luke Grimes and Joe Rogan dissect Taylor Sheridan's Yellowstone legacy, contrasting Austin's cultural saturation with Montana's raw isolation amidst local resentment. They analyze stage fright as an evolutionary survival mechanism, trace MMA evolution from the Gracie family to modern legends like Lomachenko, and debate substance abuse versus creative flow. The conversation expands to grizzly bear ecology, Bigfoot theories linked to the Younger Dryas Impact, and AI's limitations in understanding human connection, ultimately framing ambition against immediate highs while reflecting on nature's restorative power. [Automatically generated summary]

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The Unforgiven Golf Game 00:05:54
unidentified
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luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
This is a real game.
unidentified
Is it?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I've been watching your show for years.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Are we rolling, Jamie?
All right, beautiful.
I love your fucking show.
It's great.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, thanks, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's really awesome, man.
Well, I haven't watched Marshalls yet.
Is it out now?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
When did it come out?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
March 1st.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
So they just had the second episode air.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I like the binge, man.
I like to wait.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wait a little bit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Stay offline.
I like to sit down and binge them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome.
It's such a great show.
Did you have any idea it was going to be what it is?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Not no.
I don't think anybody did.
I thought it would find an audience for sure.
I mean, Taylor was really, you know, hot at the time.
He'd been nominated for Oscars, and I was kind of like surprised he was even writing a television show.
He was just like so hot in the film.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How the fuck does that guy even sleep?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't know, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Where does he have the time?
Every time I look in the news or there's a new show that he's doing, a new thing he's doing, it's like, how are you doing all this?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's impressive.
There's a lot of people I've worked with where they do things that are impressive, but his is impossible.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, like some would be like, could you direct a movie as good as Unforgiven?
I'm like, maybe, maybe if I tried real hard, like, could you write 10 television shows single-handedly?
No, no way, not possible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He directed Unforgiven?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, I'm just saying, like, people that I look up to that I'm impressed by.
It's like his is a different level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
His is like, it's like impossible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who did direct Unforgiven?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Clinic Switzer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's the best.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like, you know what it was like to me?
It was like he was making up for all the silly Westerns and was like, let me show you what it was probably really like.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What was really like when a man was about to get shot?
What was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer?
What was it really like the hardships of living back then?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and it's interesting too because he starts out kind of a loser.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Those first, you know, like the first three quarters of the movie, he's this sort of timid guy who's lost his power, you know, and then he takes that one sip of whiskey.
It's all over for everybody else.
It's a crazy premise.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's such a good movie, bro.
It's such a good fucking movie, man.
But yeah, Taylor is a, he's a real freak.
And there's not a lot of humans like him.
And it's his background story so interesting.
You know, like he was just kind of scrambling around till he was almost like 40.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's like a real life Rocky story or something, like rags to riches, the whole, the whole thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know, man.
It's just, I just don't, I guess that's why he has so much ambition because he knows what it's like to be poor.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, he knows what it's like to like barely make it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way and he's like, oh shit, I got to buckle down and really get moving.
And he kept his foot on the gas.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
Do you guys keep in touch?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
His buddies?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, all the time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love Taylor, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I love him.
He's an awesome dude.
I just worry about him.
He does so much.
Don't have a fucking heart attack, man.
Don't go crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know what's weird is he does have a good time, too.
It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family or friends.
That's the craziest thing to me is like the guy has a really fun life and is able to do all that.
I guess the moral of the story is don't play golf.
That'll take up all your time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No shit, man.
Tell that to Jamie.
If I can get out once a week, it's great.
He's an addict.
Jamie's an addict.
He's got a simulator back there.
He's always whacking golf balls.
Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play.
I'm like, I'm not doing it, man.
That's a six-hour commitment.
Fucking.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, man.
The amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever is too much time.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And my problem is I'm an addict.
Like when I start doing things, I just start like, okay, I need to play in the PGA.
I start going crazy.
I'll start getting lessons.
Fuck that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, don't do it.
We need your show, man.
unidentified
We need you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I'm never doing it.
We can do both.
No, Try it.
unidentified
I mean, try it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Try it out.
No, I know.
All my friends who play fucking love it.
Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out every day.
It's like, it's too much, man.
I can't do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can't play golf and do what Taylor's doing.
That's for damn sure.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No way.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But how the fuck is Trump doing it?
Like, he's in the middle of everything.
He's always playing golf.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But that's sort of the criticism, right?
He's playing too much golf and not running the country enough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But don't they say that about every president?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president.
You have to play golf.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Don't they all do it?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I guess so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like one of those weird businessmen things.
Like they make deals out there.
They have a couple of cocktails.
They talk a little shit.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do a bump.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Not my thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Make some deals.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I just don't.
I don't know.
Something about being on like a manicured lawn.
I don't know.
I don't want to be out in the middle of nowhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure I'd love it.
I'm sure, which is why I don't do it.
But I play pool, and I'm addicted to pool.
Like, I play pool all the time.
It's a real problem.
When I lived in New York, I was playing like eight hours a day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was playing in tournaments.
I was traveling around.
I was like, I can't get another thing like that in my life.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Are you done playing pool?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, I play all the time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
But you could play pool for like a couple hours and stop.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Maybe I'll try that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Pool's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like real pool, like tournament pool, like competitive, like real tournament pool.
It's legit.
But it's like, it's another thing.
It'll get in your blood, and then you'll be thinking about it all the time and watching videos and taking lessons.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'm ready for something, though.
Touring Is Hard And New 00:08:50
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Not golf.
Pool sounds like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, you have music and you have acting.
Like you said, that's got to be kind of hard to manage.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult.
And I have an 18-month-old mix.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So no sleep.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, we're getting there.
The music thing is sort of, it's kind of nice because there's not a lot of pressure on it.
You know, for me, I have a day job.
You know, I have this thing that supports my family.
And the music I can do to like my passion level.
You know, and I and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like away from my family too much.
You know, so I can, I like making the music.
Touring is kind of hard and it's also new for me.
So learning how to do that at 40 was kind of interesting.
You know, I feel like in my 20s, that would have been the most fun ever.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just going from city to city and drinking backstage and playing country music.
That would have been a blast.
But I'm, you know, I'm too old for to do that the right way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
When you tour, do you go out or do you do like a weekend and then come back?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
When you're on a full-blown tour, the way that it financially works the best is to just stay kind of going.
So you're doing like three shows like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, because you've got the bus rented, you've got all the equipment rented, you've got the guys, you know, on salary.
So you just have to keep going.
It's actually really hard for it to pencil out when you're just doing a show here and there.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
That's stand-up comedy is so much easier in that regard.
I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour.
I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron.
We did this Bud Light Maxim tour back in 2007 and we did like 22 dates in a month.
And so it was like, I'd wake up and I wouldn't know where I was.
I'd look at the ceiling.
I'm going, where the fuck am I?
I would have to think, uh, Columbus.
You know, I'd have to like go through my head and figure out where I am when I woke up.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Was there ever like a period of stage fright when you started doing stand-up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The first day.
I was more afraid the first time I got on stage than I was the first time I fought.
It was nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was like, why am I so nervous?
I was like, I was thinking about chicken and out.
I was thinking about not doing it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I do that every time I play a music show.
I'm like, can I just call it off?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you still get stage fright right now?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really bad.
unidentified
Really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's the thing, man.
I'd always played music.
And when I was playing in bands and playing out, I was the drummer.
unidentified
Oh.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought, I had never had ambition around like, I want to be the guy in front of the microphone.
That was never, you know, the plan.
And then, you know, to be able to make an album, which I wanted to do, you have to go stand in front of the microphone.
And that's the hard part for me.
I love being in the studio.
I love writing the songs.
I love making the music, recording the music.
But there's something about knowing that all these people have shown up and bought a ticket to see you.
And you're like, all of a sudden, this thing starts happening in me where like they bought a ticket, imposter syndrome.
You're not good enough for them to have spent their money.
You know, it's just this whole thing.
And it's like, dude, shut up.
I know it's going to be okay, but it doesn't matter.
Every time I still get a little bit of the, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think everybody who's sane gets imposter syndrome.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Everybody that I've talked to that's sane.
It's like the really kooky ones.
Like, I don't think Kanye's ever gotten imposter syndrome.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, I'm going to be also, he's a genius.
It's like the ones who were sane, it doesn't make any sense.
Like, none of it makes any sense.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, I get it in droves.
And way more for the music than the acting.
But it's, again, I've been acting and filming TV for over 20 years now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
When did you first get on stage to sing?
How old were you?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The very first show I played.
I was 39.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Like, I had done karaoke before, right?
But, you know, it kind of came about in the weirdest way.
I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music manager, Matt Graham, who's a great manager and a really good friend of mine.
But he called and said, hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I know that you're a musician.
And, you know, I love Yellowstone.
I love you in that show.
Is that something that you would want to take seriously?
And I was like, what does that mean?
He's like, I bet I could get you a record deal.
And I was like, no, man, that's no, no, I don't want to do that.
And we talked for two years.
And over the course of the two years, I really started to trust him.
He sort of like explained to me what, you know, what would be required.
And long story short, my father passed away somewhere in there.
And sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like, if there's anything you want to do while you're here, do it.
You know?
And something about that moment, I was like, I'm just going to fucking do it.
You know, I don't care.
What's the worst thing that can happen?
I'm another actor who made a goofy album.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
So what?
I got to do it.
You know?
So I did.
And then immediately it's like, well, now you have to go tour it.
Otherwise, you know, they're not going to put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it.
You know, so the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying it.
And so, yeah, first show it was in Billings, Montana for, I think it was 1,200 people.
unidentified
Whoa.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
This place called, I think it was Pub Station.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What was that like first time doing it?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dude, I blacked out.
Like not drinking.
Like I just blacked out on nerves, dude.
Like it, you know, it started.
My knees were shaking.
My hands were shaking.
This is before I knew about like beta blockers or anything like that.
And the show was over and I was like, how was, was that okay?
How'd that go?
And everything was good.
You know, it was good.
I was fine.
The fourth show I ever played was Stagecoach.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whoa.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's nuts.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was crazy.
I mean, it was earlier in the day.
It's not like I had 100,000 people out there, but still, that's a big stage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's a big stage.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And yeah.
So, but little by little, it got somewhat better.
I don't black out anymore.
I kind of know where I'm at and I'm there.
But it's still something I deal with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in front of people was like 20,000 people.
It's so nuts.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wasn't it like that?
It was huge, right?
It was like, it was something, it was a gigantic crowd.
I don't think I'm exaggerating because he got really famous before he ever went on tour.
That one song, Rich Men North of Richmond, that song instantly made him famous.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He wrote a rocket, dude.
That rarely happens.
Few people know that feeling.
I can't imagine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But he was freaking out.
I became friends with him right when it was happening because he was a little lost.
And he said, a bunch of people, I go, let's talk.
So we got on the phone.
It was before he had, you know, he had gotten a ton of record deals and all these different people were saying, you know, hey, sign with me.
We'll give you X amount of money in advance.
I go, don't sign nothing.
And he was like, everybody's telling me that I got to act strike while the Iron Scott.
I go, no, I go, dude, you got talent.
You got real talent.
You're always going to have talent.
It's just a matter of putting in the work and you're going to be huge.
You don't need these people.
These people are all vampires.
They're all just trying to suck on your neck.
Don't let them.
Don't let them.
Thank God he listened because he was getting offers like $7 million and shit.
And he was a fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know?
And so then all of a sudden, he's like, what the fuck is going on?
One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field.
And that's all it took.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's amazing.
I mean, it's how it should be, right?
I have a complete opposite story.
My story's not cool at all.
I'm like, I'm a successful actor, and I got a record deal for no reason.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted to do it because you're interested in that, too.
Like, you can do anything you want to do.
Like, just because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
But I think, you know, a lot of the thing with music is the story of the person.
So I knew going in, like, I don't have the best story.
I do come from nothing, and I did work my ass off to become an actor and all that.
But, you know, my way into the music was a little wonky.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because you have this thing over your head where they're like, fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker.
TV star, motherfucker.
Fuck that dude.
Fuck Casey Dutton.
Proving You Are Legit 00:15:30
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There we go.
So the music's going to have to be good enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's just sort of the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's all it is.
It's just, it just will force you to work harder.
But it's just, everybody's story is different.
That's what makes it fun.
And if everybody had the same story, you know.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right?
You've done that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I've been super lucky.
You know, I'm just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, there wasn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there wasn't for this one.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
This one, there were other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time.
It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife always joke around about because like one time she was taking the kids.
We were all supposed to go to Disneyland, but I had to do this podcast.
I'm like, she was like, you don't have to do it.
I go, but I do.
I do it every week.
But it wasn't really making any money back then.
But I was like, I promised people would be out.
Like, I got to do it.
And now she's like, thank God you didn't listen to me.
It's just, I mean, I got lucky.
I came in right at the right time.
There was only a few people doing it back then, and I just did it for fun.
I just thought that would be fun to do.
And then all of a sudden it became a job.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And with the UFC stuff too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That too.
That was fun too.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Did you think that would become what it became?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
When I first started doing it, it was in 1997.
And it was in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama.
And we had to take a propeller plane to get there.
And it was banned from cable.
So you could only watch it on direct TV.
This was UFC 12.
And there was no one in the audience.
And no one was watching it.
And I was already on a TV show.
I was on news radio.
And the people on news radio, like the actors and the producers, they were like, what are you doing?
You're flying to go do cage fighting?
It was almost like I was doing porn.
Or fucking snuff films or something.
It's like, you're going to ruin your life doing this.
I was like, I don't, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
This is what I've always wanted to see.
I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together.
Nobody ever did it.
These guys aren't doing it.
I'm going to go.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, this is.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I remember renting the first few from Blockbuster.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was like Bloodsport back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Oh, it changed my life.
I got UFC 2 was the first one.
The first one wasn't available.
You had to get two was the only one.
And it was on VHS tape.
And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it.
He's like, dude, you got to see this thing, man.
He goes, they got these guys.
They're fighting in a cage.
And this one dude's just choking everybody.
And he's wearing a gi.
I was like, really?
What is it?
And then I watched it.
I was like, holy shit.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was hooked right away.
I was like, they fucking did it.
They actually did it.
Because when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were, if you did karate, you thought karate was the best.
If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best.
And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art because nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life.
I was like, I'm not going to not do this just because it's bad for my acting career.
I'm like, if my acting career goes away, I don't, you know, whatever.
I'm only doing this for money anyway.
So I was like, I'll just figure it out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way.
That really served you well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wow, I wasn't supposed to be in LA.
You know, I mean, I only came to LA for money.
And I would have moved back.
I was living in New York and I did a show called Hardball and that got canceled.
And the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment.
I was fully ready to get out of there.
I was like, I got to get the fuck out of this place.
I hated it.
I hated being around actors.
I hated being around producers and casting agents.
I was like, these people are so fake.
I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players, like the rawest, funniest, like outcasts of society.
Like those were my people.
I was used to cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on each other and everybody had a great sense of humor, just silly weirdos.
And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that like all had these like predetermined things that they thought they should say so they would say them, you know, and everybody had like, it was all group think.
It was like, oh, this is fucking horrible.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I always say that felt like when I lived in LA, I lived in LA for 16 years and I don't want to complain about it.
I was obviously good to me.
Like it helped my life quite a bit.
But it always felt like everybody was trying to become the same person.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But they don't know who that person is.
I'm like, can you just tell me who the person is so I can you know what I mean?
There's like a memo that went out that I didn't get or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nobody got that memo.
They were all playing it by ear, you know, and they were just, it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be.
So everybody would sort of adapt.
Like whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not a good sign.
Like something's gone wrong.
And everybody has these progressive left-wing politics, regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense.
They all just sort of spit it out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think it's just that there is sort of a desperation that gets bred from, I mean, these people left their families.
They moved away.
They left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to follow this dream.
And so that dream becomes more and more and more important.
You need it more and more because now you have nothing else.
You've given everything else up.
And so I think at that point, you can sort of mold people into whatever you want.
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It ruins comics.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because when comics start doing well, one of the first, as soon as they start getting on television, the first thing they start doing is tempering their material.
They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything that can get you in trouble.
And, you know, generally, those are the funniest things.
The funniest things are the things that could go terribly wrong, you know, and get you in trouble.
So they do that.
And then just, you know, they become like an, I always call it the velvet prison because you get locked into that velvet prison.
You get, get on TV, you get, get money, but also you become just one of everybody else.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's hard not to do.
I mean, that's where I'm at.
You know, I still have a boss.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, my, my checks are written by a very specific company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes.
unidentified
I know.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a little bit.
I don't want to do that to you and sit here and like police myself the whole time, but I got to be like, just don't say this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
No, I'm firmly aware of it.
People come in here and I could see it in their face.
Like, please don't bring up anything crazy.
No trans talk.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
For sure.
Tell Dr. Stay away from that today.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's a tricky situation.
And the thing about LA, too, is everybody has to get picked for stuff.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's not like even like music, like, especially like, look at Oliver Anthony.
No music deal, no nothing.
Just put something on YouTube, blows up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's a real, in this day and age, that's a real thing.
But in acting, it's still, you have to get chosen.
You have to get cast for something.
And just that weird thing alone where you're going into this thing and these people have to approve you.
And most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place, a large percentage of them, they did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger.
And this is like, they just want to make up for it.
Well, that's why I became a comedian, I'm pretty sure.
You know, it's all the same kind of mindset.
Like, there's something about you that wants to be famous, right?
You know, unless you're like someone who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Which, how could you be?
You know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was like five years old.
unidentified
Really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I didn't know what the craft of acting was.
My thing, though, honestly, was I loved movies so much.
I think I just, because I liked them more than my life, you know, I wanted to live in the movie.
I didn't know what making them would actually be like.
I didn't know what that career looked like.
I didn't know what acting was.
But I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it.
And I'd also see the guy.
And I don't know, whatever the skill set was, I was like, whatever they're doing, I think I can do that.
I think I have whatever that is.
And, you know, thank God I was at least somewhat right, or I'd be waiting tables in LA right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's an interesting thing, right?
Because it's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life, right?
Like you're pretending, but you're acting and behaving in a way that people do act and behave.
Like that's the key to it.
It has to be believable.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So most people watch it go, I can do that.
Like this is normal life.
They're just acting like they're in normal life.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
What you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face and 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done so they can do their job.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Sipping coffee, shaking their head right at their watch.
If you fuck up a line like, oh, Jesus.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fucking guy.
Fucking unprofessional.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's a weird gig, man.
It's a weird gig.
And it's not what most people think it is.
And you could tell that by like the masters, the real masters.
You know, when you see like Daniel Day-Lewis do it, you're like, okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that.
That's a fucking totally different thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
This guy's in some weird place where he becomes Gary Oldman, becomes a different person every movie, and you believe it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the real craft of it, right?
Where like, I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right?
But he's different in every movie.
Now he's Dracula, and I believe it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's amazing.
Both of those guys.
Amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You ever watched that show, Slow Horses?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fucking great show.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a great show.
I can't wait for the new season.
I have a hook.
Somebody told me about it, and I was a little skeptical at first.
It's like, all right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And you never see like a lead, your number one, being like a total piece of shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Total piece of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Except Tony Soprano.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There you go.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That was a weird show, right?
Like, a guy was a murderer and a thief, and you love him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You loved him.
He was so good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
There's another guy, Candolfini, man.
You fucking believed him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And there wasn't acting like that in television yet.
unidentified
No.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That was like the first of its kind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And even within that show, he was doing something no one else was doing.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And that's hard to keep up for, you know, if you do it for a film, you're doing it for a couple months, you know, at that level of intensity.
But to do that for seven years for months and months at a time is impossible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there was a danger in his eyes, like a real danger.
Like there's something about that dude.
That dude's got, or while he was alive, he had demons in his brain.
Like you could tell.
Like there were moments, these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something.
You're like, that's coming from a real place.
That guy ain't, you know, there's some guys who play tough guys in movies.
Like, I'm not buying it.
But with that guy, you're like, oh, okay.
This guy could kill somebody.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You don't want to piss him off in real life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, he's also out of fucking control.
You know, have you ever seen the list of the things that he consumed before he died?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I have seen that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's bananas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, he was just off the rails.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Just out of his fucking mind.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But you've seen the Hunter S. Thompson one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, dude.
We narrated it.
We read it.
And then this guy, what was the dude?
What's the guy's name that turned it into a song?
I don't know.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a dance song, like electric music dance song.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I haven't heard that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons were reading off Hunter S. Thompson's, like his daily routine with his beardy man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Shout out to Beardy Man.
It's pretty dope.
Play it.
Fuck it.
Can we?
Will we get in trouble?
unidentified
Can isn't the right word to ask.
We can.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What would happen?
We lose revenue changes and stuff like that.
For sure?
unidentified
Yeah, 100%.
All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Don't play it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'll listen to it after.
unidentified
Sorry.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I'll send it to you.
But it's a bananas routine.
And, you know, at the end of his life, I'm a giant Hunter S. Thompson fan, as you could tell walking through all the artwork.
But at the end of his life, he couldn't even talk.
Like, he did an appearance once on Conan O'Brien.
And to me, it was like one of the saddest things.
Like, you could barely understand what he was saying.
He's just mumbling.
And When he was young, he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating.
And it just drugs, just drugs and booze just cooked his brain.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'll have to do a deep dive on him.
I've never read any of his stuff.
unidentified
Really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, I haven't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, just read, just start off with Fear and Loathing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a, he got an assignment to cover, I think it was a motorcycle race.
That was the job.
So I think it was for Sports Illustrator or something like that.
He got a job to just cover a race.
And he goes down there and just brings every kind of fucking drug known to man, drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend and just writes this insane book.
It's completely insane.
It has nothing to do with this motorcycle race.
It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas.
And it's brilliant.
It's so good.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Check it out.
Do you like Vegas?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, I'm there a lot for fights.
And when I go, we go to a restaurant.
I go play pool.
I go to the fights.
I don't do anything else.
So it's like, for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants.
You know, the fights are awesome.
I love doing that.
So it's like, but there's something about it where I ever, every time I go there, I'm like, could I live here?
Like, I was actually talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend.
We were just there for the fights.
And I was saying, like, what if a, because, you know, Kill Tony is this gigantic show now.
It's huge.
He sells out arenas all over the country with it.
It's on Netflix.
And I was saying, like, what if a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money?
Would you, do you think you could ever live here?
And we were just sitting there.
He's like, I don't, no.
I don't want to do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't think I could do it either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire.
Like, even if you know that the vampire's in the other room and he's not going to bite your neck, it's like, he's right there.
You know, I don't think it's good for you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Vegas to me is like, you know, when you have a big night out on a certain type of booze and you get sick.
And then anytime you drink that booze after that, that's Vegas to me.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Every time I land in Vegas, I'm like, oh, I just feel gross.
Because I remember the last time I was there or the first time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's, I think the people that live outside of Vegas, like people live in Henderson and places like that, they love it.
Because it's really nice out there.
Like you go out to the outskirts of Vegas.
There's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff.
It's nice.
Vegas Makes Me Sick 00:03:09
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But you're still next to the Death Star.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like this big neon fucking vacuum.
You're sucking people's money out of them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I've never been off the strip.
Maybe I should try that out.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a, there's, there's great restaurants and great neighborhoods.
Like it's, it's fine outside.
But the reason why they're there is because of the Death Star.
Like that's what brings everybody there.
You know, everybody's there to just lose all their money.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, make really bad decisions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like all my friends who gamble, when I would go there with them, I'd go, look at this place.
See how big it is?
How do you think they got that money?
Suckers like you.
This isn't like a fair exchange.
Like they're giving you goods and you're giving them money.
No, this is like they're giving you this like crazy proposition where you think you're going to play blackjack and win a billion dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And if you win too much money, they kick you out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Did you ever gamble?
unidentified
Was that ever?
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Not really.
I mean, I've bet some money on fights.
I've played blackjack a few times, but I've never lost any real money.
But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate, like a crazy degenerate.
I went to visit him recently.
So he was at Red Rock's Casino, and a couple of my other buddies were there.
So we showed up and went into the blackjack room, and he was there.
And when I got there, he was down $600,000 when I got there.
And it was a normal night for him.
And he wasn't even nervous.
He was like, hey, what's up?
He's shake my hand.
Give me a hug.
All these other people are there.
And I got fucking massive anxiety.
I was like, this is crazy.
How are you?
And then so him and Jamie was there too.
And him and Taylor Luan, the football player, he coaches Taylor how to play blackjack.
And so they got together.
He tells them when to hit and when not to hit, and they did it right next to us.
Within five minutes, Taylor was down $125,000.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was like, what are you doing, man?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that makes me nervous thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He got up and then they quit.
So he quit ahead.
I think he won like $100,000.
And then he quit.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And then they moved on to Backerat because you can bet more per hand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's what they're doing now?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's like up to 500K per hand or something like that.
Which one's Backer at?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How do you play that?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I've tried to watch it.
unidentified
I don't really quite understand.
It's apparently not hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You're betting on the dealer or the player.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Is that the big long table with all the...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't understand it.
It's not like...
It's not as long as roulette.
So Dana's onto that now or Taylor?
I think that room, they switched them all to Backer at Table.
So you could gamble more?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Gamble more faster.
He's mainlining the gamble now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He told a story on, I think it was, was it Flagrant?
It was Flagrant.
Where he talked about losing $6 million in one night?
Yeah, what?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's my theory about Slap Fight, why they're doing Slap Fight.
I think it's Dana's gambling money.
That's what I think.
I think it's like he needs some source of revenue outside of the UFC so he doesn't lose his UFC money.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's tough to watch, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't watch it.
Montana For Montanans Only 00:09:31
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I've watched a couple of clips.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sorry, Dana.
I know, but it's tough to watch.
unidentified
I don't watch.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
People getting brain damage over and over again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's not my thing.
I don't get it.
And it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head.
It's not a good thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Not good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
They call it fights, too.
Like, okay.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, I guess.
You should come up with another name.
It's kind of insulting to an actual fight.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But that's my theory.
That's his gambling money.
Because that fucking dude gambles.
Because I asked him once, I go, you like living here?
He goes, I love the action.
Okay.
He's a good friend of mine, but he's a different person than me.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm not, that's not me.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas.
And even then, I don't think I could do it.
Because we've talked about, you know, we have a comedy club in town, the Comedy Mothership, and we talked about doing another mothership somewhere.
And the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas.
So we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like, man, the only way it would work is I'd have to be there a lot.
Like, we'd have to be there a lot.
And we'd have to, you know, we'd have to make sure that it's run right, that it's like run with the same vibe that we run it here, where everybody's cool, there's no assholes, everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians.
And then I'd have to spend a lot of time there.
I'm like, I don't want to do that.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something?
Is that where you started?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, I started in Boston, but I did spend a lot of time in New York.
New York would be a better option really because there's a lot more talent there.
And in order to have a really good comedy club, you can't just start it out.
Like, you can't just go to Columbus, Ohio, or Cincinnati.
I guess Columbus has a little bit of a scene.
But you'd have to have a real scene with real headliners and top-level talent.
And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic.
Like me and Tony moved.
Braun White moved here first, and then me and Tony moved here.
And then once we started doing shows, we were talking to all our friends in L.A. and L.A. was shut down during the pandemic.
And so everybody just kind of moved out here, at least temporarily, because comedians are junkies.
Like they want to go on stage.
And it was taken away from them for a year and a half in L.A. Couldn't perform in L.A. for a year and a half.
Made no fucking sense.
And out here, we were just doing shows like in November of 2020.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like it was indoor shows and super spreader shows.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And so because of the word.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Tom Segura moved here.
Christina Buzitsky moved here.
Tim Dylan moved here.
I mean, it's just like Shane Gillis moved here.
It was like we had so many like national headliners we could pull off a club.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But you have to have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows.
It has to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The infrastructure.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019.
She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio.
So we had no, there was nowhere we were going to live where it was going to feel like home.
But we, you know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years.
I was ready to get out.
We wanted to start a family somewhere else.
And we didn't know where to go.
So we came here in December of 2019.
And we had the best two months ever.
And then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody.
And, you know, it didn't really get a fair shake.
We loved it while it was going.
And then, yeah, I did about two months of lockdown, couldn't do it anymore.
And then we bought an Airstream and just started traveling around.
And then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone.
And we parked the Airstream up there and never left.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wow.
unidentified
So we've lived there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Montana is fucking awesome.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's the best place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's so great.
It's so beautiful.
Last time I was there was in the summer.
Well, actually, last time I was there, I was hunting with Bourdain, who went pheasant hunting there.
That was pretty cool.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was one of the last times I saw him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
What part?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I forget.
I forget where we were.
I'm pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I forget.
But the summer there is insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Perfect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's so beautiful.
unidentified
Perfect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Everything's green.
You see the mountains.
We heard wolves howling one night.
And you see Elkhurst just chilling on the side of a hill.
Like, God, this place is magical.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And it doesn't get dark till like 11 at night.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner because you're just like, it's light for so long.
But then in the wintertime, the exchanges, it gets dark at 4.30 p.m.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But yeah, we love it, man.
It's the best thing that has ever happened for me of just sort of like all the LA stuff we were talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's the opposite of that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The opposite.
I have no FOMO about anything anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's great.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I can just think and sleep and read and watch films, and it's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, your show made a lot of fucking people move out there, though.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
Yeah.
And they're not happy about it.
The valley that I live in, we had some people come visit us.
Our friends from California drove out and we went on a hike and we were in their car and they had Cali plates and we got off the hike and someone had written go back in the dust on their car.
People are super weird about.
So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get really mad at me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Dude, that happened in 2012.
I was hunting in Montana.
We went to the Missouri Breaks and we were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant had he had his car parked outside and it was like a rental car and someone had wrote go back home.
You know, like Montana is for Montanans or something like that.
They wrote it in the dirt.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Which is dumb because if they have the plates, they clearly aren't living there, you know?
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
They're going back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but it's just retards.
You're going to get retards in every state.
Like, if you have 100 people, one of them's a fucking idiot.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And if you've got a town of, you know, X amount of 100,000 people, you're going to have a good amount of fucking dumbasses.
For sure.
Those are the ones like, this is our place.
We own it.
This is our dirt.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, like somewhere along the line, someone moved there.
And all you did was stay.
unidentified
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You didn't do anything that cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And that one guy, I can't go to bars there anymore because whatever that one idiot is is at the bar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Of course.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And he can't wait to start a fight with me.
Just like, can't wait to do it.
Because it's a win-win for him.
You know, he gets to sue me or something.
I don't know, you know, but it's a lose-lose for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's just like his life is empty.
And it's like, all of a sudden, there's purpose.
And he's like, you ruined Montana.
Fuck off.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Or my favorite is when they call people colonizers.
That's my favorite.
Like, bro, if you don't live in Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor was a colonizer.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, 100%.
Period.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
We all had to come from somewhere.
Also, isn't it like the most American thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That should be celebrated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It should be.
The idea that, oh, we were here first.
Those are the same idiots that hate when a band becomes successful.
Because like, oh, I knew them when they were underground.
Now they sold out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's just a moron mentality.
You're always going to have that no matter where you go.
But Montanans are like fiercely proud of being from Montana.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
They'll always tell you what generation they are.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Third generation, Montana.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's so silly.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And I'm not Montanan, but my son will be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He can say that he is.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like an anchor baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He can go fly fishing and no one's going to give him a hard time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was born here.
unidentified
Okay.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
You're good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You got a hall pass.
Yeah, but like people that live in like that Yellowstone place, you know, that Yellowstone Club.
Yeah, that place.
Like those are like fake Montanans to Montanans.
I have a buddy who lives up there and he was saying, I don't know why the fuck anybody would live up there.
Like, because it's awesome.
What's wrong with you?
It's still Montana.
Like, let it go.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
They just had some problem with sewage being dumped into the river or something like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The Yellowstone Club?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The Yellowstone Club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, God.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the locals were very angry.
And I don't know if that's locals like making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem, but they were saying that they were finding sewage from the Yellowstone Club in the local river there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whoa.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you have to look that up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, whoa.
Yeah, that's not good.
That's the problem with rich people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Rich people are like, fuck everybody else.
I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome.
And the views, I've seen photographs of it.
God, the fucking views there are insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I have multiple friends that live in Montana.
And the thing about it is like everybody will tell you, like, when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day, it like centers you and it humbles you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's exactly right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going to see.
And it's around you all the time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window and it looks like a painting and it never gets old.
You know, if we need to go to the grocery store, I'm like, I'll do it.
Because it's so fun to drive there.
You know, you get out, you put some tunes on.
It's the best thing ever.
Nature Centers And Humbles 00:05:57
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Versus like living in LA, to go anywhere was the worst thing ever.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Everything's a pleasure up there, man.
It's really, it's something.
But if you, if you, if you need any sort of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like trying to meet a babe or something, it's not going to happen.
There's no people dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I get that.
There's a little of that in Austin.
They're upset that the Californians moved here.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They were upset.
A lot of people blamed me and Elon.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They blamed us for moving here and ruining Austin.
Like, sorry, we made it more awesome.
Fucking pussies.
Shut your mouth.
It's all the same thing.
It's like people that want credit for being here first.
Like, fuck off.
Now you have more restaurants, way more comedy.
There's like seven comedy clubs on my street now.
On the street where my club is, there's seven comedy clubs now.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like one of the big hubs of live comedy in the world now.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Did it have it at all before?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It had a couple places.
There was a place called Cap City that actually went under before the pandemic or actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic.
When I got here, it was for sale.
And so I was looking at that place to buy it, but it didn't work out.
And then there's another place that's been around forever called the Velveeta Room.
It's a real small room.
I think it seats like 100 or so.
And then, you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy.
And there was like a small scene of some comedians, but nothing like what it is now.
Like, it's not even, not even comparable.
I mean, there's like 17, 18 world-class comics that live here now.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Man, talk about stage fright.
I think that is, that would be the hardest art form.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's scary.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You have no help.
There's nothing to hide behind.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There's no music.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There's like, you know, it's just silence and you and a microphone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play and close your eyes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, there was a film actually one time that I was attached to to play a stand-up comedian.
And I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go, that I'd go do it.
That I'd actually go out and like work up 15 minutes and just do it until I understood what it was like.
And that movie fell through and I was very, very happy about that because I didn't want it to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's hard.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I bet, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's confusing because the people are just talking.
You're like, why is that hard to do?
Everybody talks.
You know, like everybody could tell a story.
Everybody could, and it seems easy to do until you do it.
And then you're like, oh, this is.
But I was hooked right away.
Because I sucked the first night that I bombed.
But I was like, I got a couple of laughs on some things.
And I was like, I think I can figure this out.
But I was, like I said, I was more scared than when I was fighting.
I was more scared before like a big fight.
It was weird.
I was like, why am I nervous?
It didn't make any sense.
My friend Whitney Cummings explained it to me.
She said, people have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged because they were going to kill you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Doesn't that make sense?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So like if you're in front of the people, they're all like, what did he do?
You know, so you have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I never thought about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
That's what it is.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, no place to hide, man.
I don't know.
That sounds scary.
And especially if it starts going bad.
Like if you start to bomb.
Is there any way out of that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Or is it people who've recovered?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People who started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it.
I've done it a couple of times.
Most of the time when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But going down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But there's a good to that.
All right.
The good is you have to re-examine your material.
And you, every time in my career, in the like the early days when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I don't want to experience that again.
And I really focused and really, really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around.
And you need losses.
Losses are very important.
They're important in fighting.
They're important in life.
Like one of my kids just had a breakup recently and I had a conversation with her.
I go, I know this sucks, but this is actually important.
Like it has to happen.
And I told her, like, about the first time a girl broke up with me when I was 17.
I was devastating.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, the worst.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it's good.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Worst feeling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Couldn't believe my life was over.
I'm only 17.
I can, I'm never going to recover.
I'm like, it's so important because you realize, like, as time passes, you understand that this is just a moment in time and there's other people you're going to meet.
And it's just, you have to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And so you have to experience that.
And you also have to realize that, you know, people don't know what they're doing either.
Like, boys don't know what they're doing.
Girls don't know what they're doing.
They're kind of figuring it out as they go along.
People break up and they make up.
And these are these lessons that you have to learn in life.
And loss is important because it makes you understand why this person gets sick of me.
Why am I annoying?
Why, you know, am I selfish?
Like, what is it?
What is wrong with me?
You know, why, you know, why am I picking these people that are going to break my heart?
Why don't I adjust?
Why don't I like maybe I should spend some time alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am?
And those moments where you have to kind of go through things and figure them out, they're so important for you in life.
And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best motivating factors to take you to another level in your career or wreck your confidence forever.
Fear In Ground Battles 00:15:36
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Just like fighting.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I was going to say it happens to fighters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Some fighters lose and they're never the same again.
And some fighters lose and then a new version of them emerges in the next fight.
You're like, whoa, this dude dialed in.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Who would be a good example of that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Charles Oliveira.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's the best example of it.
Because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter.
Like, he would just break.
And now he's like one of the scariest motherfuckers alive.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, especially this last weekend, the fight with Max Holloway.
Like, good Lord.
Like, Max Holloway was a two-to-one favorite in that fight.
He got shut out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, literally, every round was a dominant performance by Oliveira.
It was crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's funny, people complaining about that fight, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like the because it was on the ground.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
My daughter complained about it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Did she?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's like, me and that was so boring.
You're a casual.
My kid's a casual.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
People love a slug fest, don't they?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah, they do.
They do.
They do love a slug fest.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But, you know, that's that's the sport.
The sport is like sometimes it's going to be exciting and sometimes it's just going to be a ground battle.
But for me, it was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether Max could get up, what he could do to prevent from getting taken down and whether or not he could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top.
And, you know, when you're watching a guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just you're in Marvel.
You're like, wow, this is crazy.
I can't believe he's able to do this.
This is nuts.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I wish I would have started jiu-jitsu when I was small because I tried late 30s and I was like, it was kind of like the golf thing where I was like, well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf.
But I was like, the amount of time it's going to take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's going to be a long time.
And I don't know if I have, I don't know if I can start now.
You know what I mean?
I'm sure.
Yeah, like how long would it take for like a grown person until you actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel like chaos?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively.
Like there's guys, like even as a black belt, there's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated because they're just so much better than I am.
Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi champion.
He's the greatest of all time.
Like he's 30.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The greatest grappler that's ever lived.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's like he man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's a freak.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But he trains 365 days a year.
He does not take breaks off.
Christmas, fuck you.
It's your birthday, fuck you.
Happy Easter, fuck you.
He trains every day, and he trains like twice a day, three times a day.
It's like that is the only way to be the greatest.
And, you know, and he's obviously a lot bigger than me, but it's not the best example.
But he does that to heavyweight black belts.
It just humiliates them.
He writes down on a piece of paper what he's going to do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight.
So he's like, I'm going to triangle this guy.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he's doing it to world champions.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like guys who have been like multiple time world champions.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he's just predicting what he's going to do.
And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that.
Like he's having fun.
He's like, he's playing with his food.
You know, so there's levels to stuff.
So to be competent in rolling, you could get there in a couple of years, depending on how often you train.
Like Bourdain got really serious at 58.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
At 58.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's when he started.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's when he started.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
When I first met him, he wasn't training at all.
When I first met him, he came to the UFC.
His wife was really into the UFC.
And she had just started doing jiu-jitsu.
And she was getting him into the sport.
And he really got interested in it.
And then she took him to jiu-jitsu classes.
Like, fuck, this is actually kind of fascinating.
And he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life.
And then, like, when he was six, there's a photo of him like in his 60s.
And he's walking down the street with his, he'd gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl.
And he's got a six-pack.
And he looks shredded.
And when I first met him, he's like doughy and he had a thumb ring and he was like, you know, a chef.
And, you know, he was into drinking.
And he just became a jiu-jitsu addict.
And he was training every fucking day.
And sometimes twice a day.
He would do a private lesson and then we take a class every day.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He got a, and then he told me he was taking his like, when we were hunting in Montana, he we were on the ground in Montana.
He wanted to like learn some stuff.
So I was explaining him certain, but like, I'm like, when you go for a darse, there's a way to get, there's a thing called the Japanese necktie.
And I was explaining to him on the dirt.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I was like, you guys all camoed out doing jiu-jitsu on the ground.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But he was like, he was so interested in it that he was like constantly asking questions.
And he had guys that were in the crew that had also gotten interested in jiu-jitsu because of him.
So like while he was there filming his show, he also went down and was training.
He found a local jiu-jitsu gym and he went down there and trained while he was there.
He would train everywhere on the road.
Yeah, he would go to like foreign countries and train.
Like he didn't even speak the language.
And, you know, he's this fucking famous guy from TV.
And he's just rolling in there with like normal people and getting strangled.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
58, man.
That's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
58.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I have no excuse.
I'm going to start.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I want to put it in front of my kid for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, definitely.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, as soon as he can do it, I want him to try.
You know, if he likes it or not, but it's like, I feel like it's one of those things.
It's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age.
It gives you confidence.
And then if you love it, if he has a passion for it, you don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, there's a few things where like you can't be both.
You've got to really give that everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Also, it becomes like a real source of confidence for kids.
If they know that they can fight, like they can avoid fights.
People won't want to fight them because they'll have a reputation.
It's very good to know.
It's also like you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight because you know like what people are doing, what they're not doing.
You don't say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person into thinking that you're a tough guy.
There's a quiet confidence that comes with these guys.
And also if something does happen, most people have zero idea of how to fight.
Zero.
And they think they're just going to swing and hit you in the face.
And you see all this shit coming way before it happens.
Like you see them moving their right foot back like, oh, God.
Like, here we go.
Like, it's like they're playing a game, but they don't even know the rules.
Like, they don't even know the skill.
They don't know anything, but they've seen it on TV and they think they're going to be able to pull it off, especially if they're drunk.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
There's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to fights on 6th Street here.
Have you seen this?
It's amazing, dude.
It's incredible.
You can just watch it for hours.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I've seen a bunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
A lot of them taking place right in front of my club.
Fights on the street are so scary because guys fall and they hit their head.
That's how people die.
People die, but they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the ground.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Or there's a lot of people out there that'll, when you're already out, step on your head or kick your head.
You see that a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that.
That's crazy to me.
Like, if you've won the fight already, move on.
That's scary stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's evil.
Well, some people that get red with rage and they lose their mind and then they wind up in jail for the rest of their life and then just sitting in a cell going, what the fuck?
One night, drunk, doing something stupid, and now I'm here forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And there's someone's dead.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And someone's dead.
And someone's parents are crying and someone's missing their father.
Like, fuck, man.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Because he looked at my girlfriend.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know.
People are retarded.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The best thing about fighting is it teaches you not to fight.
Very few of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights.
It almost never happens.
It's just like, it's such a stupid thing to do.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How many times in your life have you had to use it practically in a real life?
unidentified
Never.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Never.
Not since I was in high school.
I've never been in a fight fight, like an actual fight since high school.
I avoid them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm not like if I know I can fuck you up and I could just get away.
I'm like, I'll just get away.
I don't need to prove.
What's the point?
Also, here's the thing.
People always say, oh, if I could fight, I'd fuck people up.
Great.
And then they're going to come back and kill you.
And then they're going to run you over or shoot you.
Don't be stupid.
It's pointless.
It's pointless.
I've had situations where I thought I was going to have to fuck somebody up and I didn't.
But you have to have self-control.
You have to be able to.
And also, most people, if they want to fight you, all you have to do is kind of put your hands up and move a little bit.
They're not going to be able to do anything.
They'll be swinging and you're just like, come on, man.
What are we doing here?
What are we doing?
And the only time people get hurt is when you engage.
Like, you're both swinging at each other.
If someone's swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing, they have almost no chance of hurting me.
Like, it's just zero.
Unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you have almost zero chance of hitting me.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Unless you really know what to do.
If you really know how to fight, most of those people really know how to fight aren't fighting people anymore.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Street fighting, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I'm not going to provoke anybody.
I'm not going to start a fight.
So it's like, I mean, I know a few of my friends that have had to fuck people up.
Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Some homeless guy fucked up.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He picked the wrong dude.
unidentified
Boy, did he.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And Gordon tried to get out of it.
The guy wouldn't he put him to sleep.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Put him to sleep and then call the cops.
The cops came and picked the guy up.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Humiliating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my kids.
The wrong guy.
But that shows you how fucking stupid people are because Gordon's a gorilla.
He's this big, giant, 240-pound jack dude who's, you know, I don't know how many times jiu-jitsu world champion.
And then some fucking idiot, you know, probably high out of his mind.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, drugs are going to be a good one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He picks a fight with him.
I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first.
I think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy.
Just a problem.
Some guys are just nuts, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And, you know, mental health issues.
But fights are stupid.
They're so pointless.
You know, organized fights is a different thing.
I mean, that's high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.
That's what I call it.
That's what a real fight is.
Like, we'll both agree we're going to make a certain weight.
We're going to meet September 7th.
Here it is.
That's a different thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's a beautiful thing.
It's like a chess match and you can't breathe.
You know, crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Yeah.
But in chess, the pieces can only move a certain way.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
In jiu-jitsu, what's nuts is there's like so many different variations.
And then you add in striking and wrestling.
I'm like, oh, my God.
It's so cold.
I love it.
I'll never get tired of watching MMA.
It's the most exciting thing ever for me.
I like other sports.
Like, I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas.
And I can watch a good basketball game.
Baseball's hard.
But to me, it's all just downtime unless fights are on.
If fights are on, I'm not watching anything else.
I've been at football games, like at UT games with the UFC on my phone sitting there while I'm watching the UFC.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Man, I wish I had football envy.
I went to a Christian school in Ohio, and we didn't have a football team.
And I feel like if you don't grow up around it in high school, you just don't understand the nuance.
I understand the rules, and I get it, but I just, I don't know, I don't love it like people do, and I wish I did.
I wish the stakes just, I don't understand it.
I don't understand the team sport thing as much as I do.
Like, I love MMA.
I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high.
Something about one-on-one, who's the better person today.
You know, that's, you know, you can't, there's no one to blame it on.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's just one person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a different thing.
Like, I have grown to love it living here.
My wife is a big football fan.
And so she got me into it.
And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun, man.
And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins.
Like the whole team cheer, like the whole audience, like 80,000 people.
And there's something to that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because like when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out, like people cheer and it's exciting.
But like, you know, you never know who's like if you're watching Justin Gaetchy fight Max Holloway.
I don't know who's for Justin Gaetchy, who's for Max Holloway.
You look out there, like everybody's wearing UT colors, right?
Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors.
Like it's like you've got your colors.
Everybody, you've got your outfits.
Everybody's pumped.
They cheer when this guy scores.
They boo when that guy scores.
It's like more of a team.
Everybody wins together.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whereas like with MMA, you know, it's like you're just watching an individual.
You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being, a type of human being that becomes a guy, could become an MMA world champion.
That is a truly special human.
Like the amount of dedication and drive, and the amount of focus and discipline and the courage that you have to have to get in your fucking underwear and stand there with a cup on, with little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another savage, like another train killer who's been training for 18 weeks for this one moment.
And they bolt the door shut to the cage.
And then the referee goes, Fighter, are you ready?
Fight, are you ready?
Let's go.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then the whole world is watching.
You're surrounded by 20,000 people and lights and cheering.
And you're trying to keep your shit together and you're getting kicked.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How do you sleep the night before that?
That would be my thing.
I don't think I get hard.
I wouldn't be able to sleep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's hard.
I would always get sick.
I would get sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I was training really hard.
And I didn't even take vitamins back then.
I was a dumbass.
But because I was young.
I stopped fighting when I was 22.
But for a lot of these guys, it is hard.
It's really hard to just relax.
And then they grow to learn how to relax.
And then it's really scary.
Then it's really hard to beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before they even get like Anderson Silva in his prime.
He would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just like look at him and he would be standing there staring at you and you're like, oh my God, I have to fight this guy tomorrow.
Oh my, what have I done?
Why am I doing this in my life?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back in the day.
Oh, that'd be the most terrifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, dude, it was.
It was.
There would be guys that look like they were going to faint while the referee was giving them instructions.
You know, I remember he fought Bruce Selden and Bruce Selden, who was a beast, man, he's a fucking tank of a man.
And he looked like he was going to faint during the stare down.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I can't imagine.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he was the scariest of all time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was.
He was absolutely the scariest of all time.
The scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life.
And there was a period of time between like 1986 and like probably like around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody.
It was so you would buy the pay-per-view knowing that the guy was going to get knocked out and hoping that you get your money's worth.
Because pay-per-view is like whatever it was, 50 bucks or something.
You know, like if it's like 30 seconds, you're like, oh, that's bullshit.
People would get upset that the pay-per-view was so quick.
But I mean, that's what you were, that's what you're signing up for.
The Scariest Boxer Ever 00:16:11
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And those kind of guys, I mean, when you got a guy that's got every box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there because they knew that they were fighting this demon, this guy that just was so much better than everybody else.
And there's no way you could catch up to him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No.
Is it true about his, wasn't it like his trainer died and then kind of he lost the whole thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, his trainer was Customato.
And Customato was a legendary figure in boxing.
He had trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres.
He trained like a lot of legit world champions.
And he was also a hypnotist.
And he adopted.
Yeah, he was a hypnotist.
Well, he was really into the mental side of fighting.
He was more almost like as much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer.
It was all about tempering their mind and getting them ready.
Like he would tell Mike Tyson, you don't exist.
Only the task exists.
We'd say crazy shit to him.
And he adopted him when he was 13.
So Mike was 13 and he came from Bedfordsty in Brooklyn.
It was a horrible neighborhood.
So his whole life was like crime and violence and no love and just terrible.
And then all of a sudden this man took him under his wing who was also a legendary figure in boxing.
Legendary.
Like he was like, he was the guru.
And he basically, it was like the perfect storm.
And then he was also, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs.
And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager.
He was an historian of boxing.
And he had this incredible library of all the great fighters.
So he would watch film, you know, like fucking those.
He like have a projection screen and he would watch film of like Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchell and Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day, Roberto Duran.
He would sit there and absorb all these amazing fights.
And when you can watch, like that's one of the great things about today, like especially with MMA.
Like if you look at the fights from 1993 and the fights from 2026, the skill level is like magnitudes greater because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now.
Because from the time that MMA existed, it was on television.
You could watch it on YouTube after that.
And it was like, there was always fights that you could see.
So you could see what guys were doing.
So you had an understanding of the level.
So kids would grow up imitating their favorite fighters.
You know, I'd grow up, you know, imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velasquez and all these guys.
And you would, you, you, you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys.
And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time.
And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived, who's probably the greatest psychological trainer that ever lived.
Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at 13, programming him to be this destruction machine.
And then he was watching fights.
So he was watching all these guys, Jack Johnson, and all these like great old school champions and Jack Dempsey.
And he just absorbed it all.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he would get in that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback.
He was like one, he was like, he absorbed the energy of those old, great fighters, the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the hardcore old school guys who would fight like once a week, once every two weeks.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dude, is that how often they were doing that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, they fought so many times.
I think before Sugar A. Robinson ever lost a fight, he was 90-0, something crazy like that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Just something.
unidentified
90.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fucking crazy.
Just crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And to be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young, you absorb it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
It's like kids that play instruments now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, you'll see an eight-year-old online who's better than any drummer in the 70s.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
Just how quick they can, how quickly they can get better now.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Because they have access to everyone all the time.
So cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I would imagine that's like that with all sports now.
But, you know, like you can, like, you could go back and watch, if you're a basketball player, you could go back and watch Jordan.
You can watch Larry Bird.
You can watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe.
You could watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing.
Whereas if you were young, you know, in the 60s or 70s, like you only got to see the people you saw.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You were as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a part of a great program in high school and college.
Because then you'd be around like, and then you'd go to the States and see how these guys are doing.
Oh, these guys are better than us.
Like, I remember that from wrestling.
Like, the only time when I was wrestling in high school, the only time you get to see like really good guys, you'd go somewhere else.
Like, I went to school in Newton, Newton South High School, and we had good wrestlers in our program.
And I thought they were good until I would go to the States and you go, oh, my God, these fucking guys.
These kids are going to camps every year.
They were wrestling 365 days a year.
They're like obsessed with it.
And then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that, like, good lord, it's a fucking religion there.
I mean, they've been doing that since they were babies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, it's like you absorb what you see and your brain rises to the level of the competition that you see.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma.
unidentified
Oh.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love watching him.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's got a cool story too.
Didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Ukrainian dance for two years.
Pulled him out of boxing for two years.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That guy moves like it doesn't look real.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Like people shouldn't be able to move like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The Matrix they call it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Beautiful.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He would do footwork that no one had even considered doing before.
The movement, the slipping to the side and the angles.
And his ability to change direction was crazy because he would be here and then he'd be here and then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting you and he's bang.
And he also was way smaller than everybody.
He was way smaller than everybody.
Like he was supposed to be 126 pound fighter and he went all the way up to the 140 pound division.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Are there like a lot of younger guys doing that sort of style now coming up or is it like a one-off?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is kind of a one-off.
Usik does it, but Usuk was trained by Lomachenko's father.
They were trained by the same guy.
Usik is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko.
That's why he moves so much.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dangerous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That guy's a freak.
He's a freak.
He's a pleasure to watch.
Watching that guy.
I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger than him.
When he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 280 pounds.
And he's like a cruiserweight.
He was really a 200-pound guy that blew up to compete against heavyweights.
He's much smaller than those guys.
But he was so fast.
And so, and just his pattern recognition, his understanding of boxing is just elite, like so many levels above everybody else.
And he's 38.
Like at 38, you're supposed to be done.
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
38, he's in his fucking prime.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Also, clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very, very religious, you know, doesn't party, doesn't fuck around, you know, and just trains with like rigid discipline.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That Soviet-style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline, like those guys, like their program over there, like you can see it like in Dmitry Bival and a lot of the other like Soviet-style boxers, they have like a very comprehensive technical program that they put their fighters under.
There's a style, like Bival is the best example of that style.
It's such a fucking difficult style because it's so movement-based.
And a lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and moving forward, just trying to land the big shots.
And like, Bival is just moving around you all the time, popping you, and like, oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sort of like the Dagestani guys in the MMA.
Same thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You're not going to beat those guys because it's all they do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bro, they're in.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Eat and breathe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're in Muay Thai now.
There's this kid that I'm obsessed with.
He's 22 years old.
His name is Asadullah Iman Gazaliev.
I don't want to fuck it up.
Asadullah Iman Gazaliev.
He's a fucking freak, man.
He's 22 years old and he's destroying world champions in Muay Thai.
Just killing them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's Dagestani?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So the Dagestanis are taking over Strike Cano now.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, this guy's nuts, man.
He's so fluid, too.
It's nuts to watch him, man.
He moves like nobody else moves.
He's real tall for the weight class, so you can't even get close to him.
He's fucking you up from the outside.
This is the guy.
This guy is a fucking freak, man.
He's just doing things different than everybody else.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he's destroying people.
Just destroying everyone.
Everyone he fights.
He's so unusual, man.
And again, he's from a hard part of the world, man.
You know, you grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No chance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You got to fight this fucking dude.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
This guy's fighting for his dinner.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's just murking people.
And it's also, he comes from a culture that reveres combat sports.
You know, they have their champions, guys like Islam Makachev, Khabib Nergamedov.
Like, they're legends over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Where was Fedor from?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's from Russia.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Is he?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah, he was the first.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I was watching him growing up, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was the first.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
So I used to watch him before auditions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, there was just something about his mindset where it's like he was so even keel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, stoic.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's like his heart rate didn't change or something.
Even when he won, he'd just be like, and like sort of walk off.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, his expression never changed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great.
He was different than everybody else.
And he was a heavyweight that could submit you.
He could knock you out.
He was fast.
He wasn't big.
I mean, he was like 5'11.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Very unassuming.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Belly fat.
He didn't give a fuck what he looked like.
He was all about how he could perform.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, and he was a part of that era where MMA emerged.
And in Japan, it was so much bigger than it was in America.
During the Pride days when Fedor was run and shit, there was 90,000 people in those arenas.
unidentified
Whoa.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They were doing like the Tokyo Superdome.
They were doing these gigantic arenas.
And like everyone was a fan in the country.
And then it all went away because the Yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal.
And, you know, like MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world.
And it just kind of like fizzled out.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Did you ever go to any of those in Japan?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I went to a UFC once in Japan.
We did one UFC in Japan and I went there.
It was really cool.
It was just, I was just really happy to be in Japan for a fight because I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and Japanese martial arts period.
And like I have a, I mean, I have Miyamoto Musashi tattooed on my arm.
But being in there in Japan was like, it was interesting because they were so educated.
Like they were really quiet while the fights are going on.
But then when something would happen, even something really technical, like somebody passing the guard, they would go, oh, and they would all clap.
Like I was like, whoa, this is interesting.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like it was like, you could hear each corner yelling instructions.
Like you didn't hear the crowd at all.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's 16,000 people in there.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was wild.
It was a completely different kind of audience.
Like very respectful, very appreciative, and very knowledgeable.
It was cool.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Do you think if you didn't do what you did, would you rather watch like UFC in person or would you watch it at home?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
In person's the best.
You want to be there.
You want to feel the crowd.
But I would want to be there where I sit.
Like I'm super spoiled.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you got the best CD.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I'm like, I could reach up and grab a cage.
It's right there.
Like, I'm so spoiled.
But, you know, if you're in the bleeders, if you're in like the nosebleeds, you're probably better off watching it at home, honestly, because then you get the commentary, you get to see replays, you get to see, you know, like close up.
If you've got a big TV at home, you get to see everything.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I just sat close for the first time.
I went to the Patty Gaci fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, did you?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That was a good one.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was amazing, dude.
But yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's like a whole, when you hear like bone on bone, you're like, whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, my favorite was during the pandemic.
We had fights at the UFC Apex with no crowd.
It was insane.
It was so, because we were world championship fights with no crowd.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There was maybe like 50, 100 people in the room.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was like mostly just staff of the UFC, the trainers of the fighters, and some of the other fighters in the audience, some friends in the audience.
And that's it.
And the UFC Apex has a smaller ring, too, a smaller cage.
So it's like, I think it's like, I want to say it's 40% smaller.
It's a lot smaller.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I didn't know that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's smaller.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How would that affect a fight?
unidentified
A lot.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Practically.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can't move as much.
Not as much distance to get away.
So a guy who likes to move around a lot and get away from people.
Like I saw Francis Ngano versus Steve Miyochi when Francis won the title in the Apex with no crowd.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And when Francis hits things, it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin.
It's just whoomp!
And you're right there.
You hear them breathing.
You hear the gracks when they get hit.
You hear the coaches yelling out, hands up, hands up, move, move, move.
Hit them with the one.
One, two.
They're yelling out instructions and it's like there's no one else there.
And it's silent.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's amazing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
So that's the way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's my favorite.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a big world title fight in Vegas or the Madison Square Guard is an incredible place because the history of the place.
You feel it when you're in Madison Square Garden.
But my favorite is the Apex.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How are you feeling about this White House cart?
That's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Makes me a little nervous.
I don't know if it's the best idea.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it seems like it's opening some room for some tomfoolery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It seems like it.
Yeah.
The card is not what they wanted it to be, for sure.
They wanted it to be like all world titles.
But, you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task.
It's very hard to find people that aren't injured, that are like, that are ready at this particular time because the brutal aspect of this sport is that guys are always hurt.
They're always training hurt.
They're always getting hurt.
They fight hurt.
No one, very rarely is anyone going into the octagon 100%.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's always something going on.
Guys are dealing with staph infections in camp and they're taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and maybe they've got a muscle pull or a knee that's fucked up.
And when Francis Singano fought Cyril Gon, he blew his ACL out.
So he had to wrap his leg up and he had one leg and he beat him with one leg.
It's crazy.
Guys have fought with broken hands.
Alex Pereira, he's beaten guys with a broken foot.
He fights with a broken foot.
Just stoic standing there.
Knows his foot's broken, doesn't give a fuck.
He fought with a bad knee.
His knee needed surgery.
There's a fight that he fought, Yuri Prohasca, where he's on top of Yuri.
They stop the fight and he does a forward roll to get off of him after he knocked him out because he couldn't stand on his left leg.
Fighting With Broken Limbs 00:15:02
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I didn't know that.
Was that like a known thing while the fight was happening?
unidentified
No.
Oh.
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He had surgery.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I remember that fight.
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Pereira's really big in our house because Brazil, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
Those Brazilians, man, they love each other.
It's crazy.
My wife, she doesn't even care about MMA that much, but if there's a Brazilian fighting, she's all about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Very, very proud people.
And it's also like Brazil's where it all started.
They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Elio Gracie, who's really the founder of all this shit, he's the father of like the Gracie clan.
The Gracie family is like the greatest story in the history of martial arts.
That one family has changed martial arts forever.
And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Elio Gracie and Carlson Gracie.
These three Gracies who competed in these no rules fights.
They didn't have time limits back then, no gloves, no nothing.
And they were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s.
And they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before.
They figured out, they took techniques from judo.
Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions.
And so they concentrated only on the submissions.
And they created Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Like Jiu-Jitsu, which was a Japanese martial art.
But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is far more technical than Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.
And even Japanese guys now train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I was going to say, is there any, are there purists that only do the Japanese style still or not really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can't really compete.
I mean, you could because everybody kind of knows everything now because Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into every other sport.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo, which is another combat sport, which is also elite.
But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu changed the game.
And the Gracie family changed everything forever.
And, you know, and the guy who fought in the UFC, Hoist, he wasn't even the best guy in the family.
He told everybody, my brother Hickson kills me.
Hickson was the man.
Like, Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then.
He was a guy who did yoga.
He was meditating.
He did this crazy thing with his stomach where he would do this breathing where his stomach would suck in.
He was like a real freak.
And he was undefeated.
Like, nobody could touch him.
He would go and do these seminars.
So he'd teach a seminar and teach it to all these black belts, and then he would roll with all of them non-stop and just tap out everybody.
Everybody.
World champions, they'd all be like, ah, this is a bunch of hype.
And they go there, eh?
They all get arm barred.
They all get leg locked.
Like, it was crazy.
He was so much better than everybody else.
And so they wanted Hoist to win because Hickson also was like pretty jacked and he was like really fit.
And he was really into strength and conditioning.
And like I said, yoga.
He was incredibly flexible.
Like he could stand there and do the splits and hold his leg up in the air on a balance bar.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Is he the one that wrote that book?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I read that.
It's awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he had that documentary.
It's a great documentary called Choke.
Phenomenal documentary about his rise through Japan Valley Tudo.
And then he was the guy.
He was the guy they based the first Pride event on.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was the champion of the first Pride event.
He was the guy that the whole thing was based on because he was huge in Japan.
I mean, he was a superstar in Japan.
But he was the champion of the family.
And they wanted Hoist to do it because Hoist was like smaller and he would show that Jiu-Jitsu was about technique.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And the plan was: if Hoyce ever got beat, throw in Hickson.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And everybody's fucked.
But Hickson, like his brother Horian, started the UFC, and Horian and Hickson had friction, and Horian really couldn't control Hickson.
And so they were like, let's put Hoyce in.
And if we need to call on Hickson, we'll call the boogeyman.
He was the boogeyman.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Remember the guy?
I think it was UFC One who had the one glove, the one boxing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Archimerson.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
What was that about?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold on to people and he wanted to punch them with his right hand.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Weird tactic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then.
Everybody had this idea of what fighting was, and they didn't really know until they got taken down.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it was his left hand.
So that's interesting.
So I guess he wanted to pop him with a jab.
Hoyce just fucking put it to that guy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But Hoyce was doing something that nobody had seen before.
And that one event when he was doing that to people, it changed everything.
It changed my opinion of martial arts.
I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu.
I was like, oh, my God.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You were Taekwondo?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I started in Taekwondo, and then I did kickboxing for a while.
And then, as soon as I saw the UFC, I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu.
I was like, oh, God, I don't.
And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky.
I was like, I know how to fight.
And then I took classes, was just getting manhandled and mauled and tapped left and right.
I was like, oh, my God, I'm a beginner.
This is so humiliating.
And I was like, I got to get good at this.
I couldn't believe how helpless I was.
I was running around thinking I was a badass and I was just a fool.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I'll hummer you real quick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, so humble.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I can't do that.
I did it for maybe a couple months.
And I just, I never made it past the hump.
I should probably try again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Get a trainer.
Get a guy who can do drills with you.
That's really huge.
If you can get someone to do drills with you and just go over on a one-on-one basis, the finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills, drills over and over again.
And then slowly start working your way into group classes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the key.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I think the thing is with, you know, if you go to a boxing class, Muay Thai class, you get to get some frustration out.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Because you're hitting something and it kind of feels good on your drive home.
You feel like, I just beat the shit out of that bag, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But then you do, you roll with somebody who's really good and you go home and you're more frustrated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But the first time you tap someone, it's like it's such a revelation.
You're like, oh my God, I got an arm bar.
Oh, my God, I got a triangle.
Like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap, I'll never forget that feeling.
I was like, wow.
And then you have to just trust the process.
Trust the process of showing up and realizing it is a tall mountain to climb.
You're not going to get there quick.
It's a weird thing to do with your body.
Your body doesn't know what to do with it.
That's why drilling is so important.
When you're drilling, you're going over the motions without resistance.
So your body sort of gets programmed how to switch your hips and how to catch the arm and how to pull your body back and secure it with your legs and all the different things that you have to do.
Where if you're doing just live sparring all the time, you're not going to learn because you're all panicking and tight.
You got to be able to train your body to move a certain way so it becomes automatic.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And is there a way to do it where you can stay relatively injury-free while you're learning?
Or is it like that's just part of the kind of part of it?
Yeah, I was going to say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's kind of part of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Everybody just sort of assumes you're going to eventually get hurt in one way or another.
You're going to fuck your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But the best way is to find good training partners.
Don't train with any wild people because some people just jank on things.
Those are dangerous.
The really dangerous people are like blue belts who are really strong, who are just like really spazz out on you.
Like, sure.
Kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, I've seen that a lot.
Like, I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are spazzes.
They're like, I'm not.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that are like, they just wanted to choke out Casey Dutton.
unidentified
Of course.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But come on, man.
I just started.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I used to get that when I was on Fear Factor.
A lot of guys want to choke out the Fear Factor guy.
Yeah.
But, you know, that's just part of the fun.
Like Jordan, like, he was a 58-year-old white belt.
Nuts.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If that guy did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
What belt did he get to?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He might have got to purple.
He definitely got to blue.
I don't know if he got to purple, but he won tournaments.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He competed in tournaments.
You know?
You know, I remember when he first started doing it, he's like, I'd really like to compete in some age-appropriate tournaments.
I was trying to talk him out of it.
I was like, get hurt, man.
We need you out there.
But he was obsessed.
If he could do it, like, that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience, not a worker, didn't train, didn't do any working out, wasn't a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing.
And then at 58, he's like, all right, I'm going to get good at this.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Good for him, man.
It's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past.
And the thing about being an addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good, you can really excel.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
For whatever weird reason.
Also, there's a flip side.
So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing and then they become drug addicts.
That same thing can kind of hijack your brain.
And then all you're doing is like chasing meth all day.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I've seen that happen too.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
For sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You should get back into it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a fun thing to do.
It's good for your head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do.
It's so hard because you're essentially what you're the game you're playing is I kill you or you kill me.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So when a guy gets your back and gets your rear neck and choke and you tap, you're essentially saying, you just killed me.
Thank you for not killing me.
I give up.
And then when you do it to him, he's saying that to you.
So it's so hard that the rest of your life is easy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Everything else becomes easy.
All the stress of fame and success and Hollywood and the bullshit, it's nothing compared to some dude mounting you, trying to get your, you got you're trapped in an arm triangle.
You're like, trying to get your hand down to protect yourself.
It's way harder.
And that makes the rest of your life easier.
If you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be way better off.
Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind, way more difficult on your body, way more difficult on your spirit than this other thing that you do.
So it'll like make that other thing easier to tolerate.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and stay humble, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Super humble.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'm not going to think you're cool for being able to say some lines.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Some people get, well, that's the other thing, right?
You get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Easy, easy trap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We've all seen that.
We've all seen actors that are just like inflated.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at anything.
I enjoy doing the things, but I've, you know, like never really, I'm never good enough for myself, kind of hard on myself a little bit, but I've seen it for sure.
If you're waiting for someone else to validate you, once they do, you're screwed.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Because you're going to believe it.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, this is the problem of being a star is that like all these people need you and the world, their world of the show revolves around you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So they're all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and reverent towards you.
It's like, it's, it gets a little weird.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And that's new for me, too.
You know, I'd never been anything that was like a massive hit before Yellowstone.
And now with this new show, now it's a hit and I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new.
And so I'm like a, you know, I'm an asset to them in a different way.
So it'll be interesting navigating that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They'll probably try to talk you out of doing jiu-jitsu.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I probably have to sign something that I won't.
You know, I'm not allowed to like ski.
There's a lot of things because of the insurance.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Like if I get hurt and production has to shut down, it's a lot of money for them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't know if that's one of them though, but like, yeah, skiing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Don't ask.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's funny because horseback riding usually is and I have to do that for the show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the most dangerous.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Horseback riding scares the shit out of me.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dude, me too.
It was not.
It didn't come natural.
That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at or had done before Yellowstone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California and she fell a couple of times and one time she hurt her wrist really bad and I was like, please stop.
Don't do this.
Because she was doing those things where you like jump over stuff.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's so dangerous.
Because they stop just shy of that thing and you go flying.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Her friend, she had a good friend that was really into it and they started doing it together.
And I was like, please don't.
And she fell a couple times and she was okay, but one time she really hurt her wrist.
And I was like, please stop.
Because your wrist, they can fix.
Your neck, you get like Christopher Reeves.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oof.
Oh, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I get on a wall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I believe it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I wish I didn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That was what he did, right?
He was doing the jumping thing, right?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Was it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I believe so.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I just don't, I don't, yeah.
I don't get it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Do you ride motorcycles?
unidentified
Nope.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, I don't even.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Almost did.
Almost did.
We're taking lessons.
Me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fear Factor, we all took motorcycle lessons together.
We were all talking about it.
And so we took motorcycle safety courses.
You know, you're basically riding like, it's kind of like a dirt bike and they teach you how to, you know, shift and all this stuff.
And I kind of got into it.
I was like, ooh, this is really fun.
And then three of my friends had motorcycle accidents.
Like within a short time period, one of them wiped out, fucked up his shoulder.
The other one got hit by a car, broke his leg.
And then the other one was actually someone saw someone.
It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident.
He was there when some guy got rear-ended by a car that wasn't paying attention, just plowed into him and sent him flying and fucked this guy up.
And I was like, no.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, no, no, no.
I'm not doing that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I had a bike for a couple months in LA and I went on a ride.
And, you know, it's one of those things.
You have to have the bug.
You like either have it or you don't.
I was trying to get the bug because I wanted that to be a part of my identity.
You know what I mean?
I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles.
So I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway and I was kind of riding up through like Ojai and going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliffside and that thing where if you stare at something, that's where you're going to go.
And I just kind of was like zoned out and I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff.
And I was alone.
Like if I would have done it, it would have been forever until anyone figured out like what had happened to me.
You know, and I kind of, it was a really, really close call.
And I got off the bike and I kind of sat there for a minute and I was like, yeah.
I don't love it enough to die this way.
You know what I mean?
I don't need this in my life.
And I never, never did it again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I have friends that have never had a problem.
I have friends that ride bikes and have never had a problem.
I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it.
Because there's just not that much traffic.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, but my 70-year-old neighbor just hit a deer.
Hunting During Human Ruts 00:03:08
unidentified
Oh.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Seven years old on his like, you know, one of the BMW like adventure bikes.
And he was going 70 on the highway and hit a deer.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's and he's fine, dude.
This guy's a tank.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How old was he?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
70.
unidentified
Whoa.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Killed the deer.
He had road rash everywhere.
He was kind of like, you know, on the couch for a few minutes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's fine.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dude, he is a tank.
This guy, they make him different out there, dude.
He's my next-door neighbor.
He's amazing.
Shout out, Steve.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wow.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And has every firearm imaginable and things you didn't even know they made.
And so anytime I can just, you know, ride over there in the side-by-side, we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's nice.
That's cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You find people like that in Montana.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He's the real deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wow, but 70 years old hitting a deer is crazy on a bike.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, killed the deer.
And about a month later, he was all right.
He was back on the bike.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, boy.
Geez.
I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer.
Like, you see, like from their camera, you see this thing leap in front of the road, then bang!
Yeah, deers, they're everywhere out here, man.
When I'm driving home, I drive slow.
There's like a certain road near my house where they just pop out all the suicidal deer.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Just pop out, especially like around the rut where the bucks are chasing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
They're not thinking straight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're not chasing straight.
They just, they're just out there like fucking pussy hungry, standing in the road, staring at you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love explaining to people how the rut works because it works just like humans.
I'm like, the only time they're dumb enough that you're going to get one is when they're horny.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But for them, it's once a year, which is way crazier than us.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Can you imagine?
If it all came on at once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on vacation during that time.
I'm like, I'm hiding.
I'm not going to be anywhere near.
You're probably like murder or car accident.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Lock me in jail for that month or whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, get a bunker.
Get a bunker and lock down with Netflix for a month.
Fuck that.
There is no way, man.
That would be crazy.
Imagine if the whole world had their rut at the same time.
Oh, my God.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's a good movie idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is a good movie idea, right?
That's actually a great movie idea.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Just call it the rut.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, like human beings evolve, or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they decide there's overpopulation and the solution to it is only have people breed at a certain time.
And also like keep people from being distracted all the time because like how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like, you know, going to bars and trying to find someone.
It's like, it's a huge waste of your time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh my God.
My 20s and 30s were just blown because of it.
It's all I thought about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Massive, massive waste of your time.
If there was like a solution to that, the solution would be like, well, everyone's only going to breed only during November.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Maybe it's the best thing ever.
It'd be great if there was like a switch you could flip.
You know, like a little boy, you like to flip it and then go out and figure it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The rest of the year, like, you don't even care about girls.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's so productive, man.
Merino Wool Is Key 00:03:15
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bucks just walk by a female doe in like, you know, fucking June.
They don't give a shit about it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And they don't have their antlers, so they look the same.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know what I mean?
They lose their masculinity.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, right, right.
They get it back pretty quick.
Those fucking things grow quick.
It's like they fall off within a month or two.
They start growing nubs.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the planet?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think elk is.
Because that's nuts.
I mean, like, you look at a foreign 400-inch elk, like some of those antlers that are out there.
Imagine that that grows in a couple of months.
It's bone.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And they fight to the death with it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, we find elk that have been killed by other elk.
It happens all the time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have you hunted in Montana?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Not elk.
I've hunted mule deer in Montana and pheasant the time I went with Portain.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Never done elk until I moved up there.
I started hunting whitetail when I was like 10, like really young, because we have big whitetail in Ohio.
And I thought hunting elk would be similar.
unidentified
No.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And boy, was I mistaken.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bro, it is.
Were you bow hunting or rifle hunting?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt.
And we went out there.
We were camping out there.
Me and I just made friends with the contractor that built my house in Montana.
He took me.
We went public land around Dillon, Montana.
And we went for a week and I had to tap out day four.
Like I couldn't, my legs stopped working.
I was like, I didn't know I had, it was like this.
So the next year I went, I was like prepared for it, but I didn't know.
Oh, man, you really got to go for it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, you got to get in shape.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I do a lot of shit before September.
I do, I have this crazy routine that I do on an air dyne bike.
I do these Tabatas on an air dyne bike where you sprint for 20 seconds, you rest for 10, you sprint for 20 seconds.
unidentified
The worst.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill, getting over a hill to get a shot.
I mean, and then I do like box step-ups.
I do all these different things with weighted vests and farmers carries with fucking heavy kettlebells.
All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You have to, like, those mountains are brutal.
There's no mountains here for me to practice on.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But in California, I used to run hills with my dog.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And a weird thing people wouldn't expect is like just, you know, makes it even worse.
You get up in the morning, it's zero degrees.
Middle of the day, it's 50, 60.
And you're hiking all day.
So it's like, how do you dress for that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You have to dress to be cold.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like once you start walking, you have to be cold.
Like you got to get down to your base layer and walk cold.
And then if you ever have to stop, then you put it on.
And the other key, merino wool.
That's the key.
Because wool is different than cotton.
If your cotton gets wet and then you're sweaty and then you get cold, you're fucked.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But wool's not like that.
Merino wool is the best because like if you have, especially a base layer, because when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a little cool.
And then if you get cold, it doesn't feel cold.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because it's not synthetic.
It's organic.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a weird fiber.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, we used to walk to the deer stand kind of in half of our stuff, keep the other half in a pack.
And then once I got in the tree stand, I'd put everything else on so that you wouldn't, you know, the sweat wouldn't freeze to you.
Disconnecting In The Mountains 00:05:21
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's hard.
Deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
At the same time, you're freezing and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by and then you're so cold that when a deer walks by, you go to pull your bow back.
You're like, oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, why am I so weak?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, you could barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but nothing.
I mean, no, no challenge whatsoever compared to elk hunting.
That was like blew my mind how hard that was.
And the guy I went with, you know, he grew up in Montana.
He's like a mountain goat.
I just couldn't keep up with this guy, man.
I'm like, this isn't.
How do you do this?
Just constant all day long.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can't just get out of your off your couch and go elk hunting in the mountains.
You can't do it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, you got to get in shape.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, like my friend Cam Haynes, that's why he started running.
He became an ultra runner.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he's doing like 250 miles stuff, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he does like these three-day runs.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
He tried to get you into that?
Have you done any of that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No chance.
I have one knee that sucks.
I have one knee that I fucked up in martial arts.
It's missing meniscus.
And I cracked it skiing, too.
I wiped out skiing, got a fracture of the top of my tibia.
So it's like, it's if I started running, it would get beat up real bad.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I do.
There's plenty of conditioning you could do without running, you know, but it's that the pounding of running.
It's not good for my knee.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There's something so amazing, though, about getting to that first thing in the morning when the sun's coming up and you're glassing.
And you're just like, this is what I always wanted hunting to be like.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's the real thing.
It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like.
You're so far out there.
You know, I didn't get to go the last couple of years.
My wife was having our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed to be in the woods with no service.
And then last year I was shooting the show, but this year I'm going to be able to go.
I got a good spot.
And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like, it's right there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they have phones now that have satellite service.
I think you get, is that, does T-Mobile have that now?
Where you can get Starlink on your phone?
I know they're doing that soon.
And, you know, you can text message with iPhones.
You can, like, I've done that in the middle of the woods.
And you know what the best thing is, man?
When we were in Utah last year, the last two years, I've had a Starlink mini.
It is the shit.
It's like the size of an iPad.
You just lay it down on the ground.
You use the app, and the Starlink app will tell you which way to point it to.
And you get high-speed internet.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I have one for when we shoot.
It's incredible.
Because we're in the middle of nowhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's so awesome.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's so good.
You can.
Here it is.
T-Satellite.
Yeah.
That's the shit, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So you can, can you make phone calls or is it just internet?
It's phone calls too, right?
Texting and select satellite-ready apps.
Okay, just texting.
Satellite service, including text to 911, maybe delayed, limited, or unavailable.
So you can just text and some satellite-ready apps right now.
So that's like everywhere.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So eventually they'll have, it'll be like Starlink will be connected to your phone and you'll be able to get high-speed internet everywhere in the world.
If we don't have World War III, bro, blow everybody up.
But there's the elk hunting thing that the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like they're moving around.
You got to sneak up in on them.
You're playing the wind.
And then the sound they make when they're screaming.
And you hear it, you're like, if you never knew what that was, you would think there's demons in the woods.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, demons are like T-Rex.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
This sound is so incredible.
It's so incredible.
And it's so hard to do.
It's like, that to me is one of the things that I love every year because everything goes away.
It's so difficult.
It's so difficult to get in shape for it.
It's so difficult to manage your way into the mountains and to be in shape, to be able to do it day after day.
And then to be able to pull off a shot.
Like you have this brief moment, the thing's 65 yards away and you draw back and trying to settle your pin.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You could have done all of that just to like mess it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
One little tiny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it happens all the time.
But when you're successful, oh my God, it's the greatest feeling of all time.
And then when you're eating it and then you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk steaks, like, I can't wait to do this again.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's so exciting.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it's just, but it's the being out there.
It's like a vitamin.
It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.
It's like your whole body's like, oh, this is so much better than regular life.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You can't be mentally unwell.
unidentified
No.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's like impossible.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You just feel so much better.
The air is better.
You know, it's like, and you're more focused.
You're not distracted.
And you just, you feel alive.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then it's also the majesty of nature.
You're just around these trees and mountains and you're catching all these animals that are out there and you see eagles flying overhead.
You're like, God.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Like day three, you're like, I think I'm just going to move out here.
I'm just going to do this.
And then you go back to real life and you're like, oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think that all the time.
I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains.
My wife is not down with it, but I'd love it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I might get a place somewhere one day in the mountains just to retreat, just to be able to just disconnect, shut off for a while.
Writing Ideas From Nowhere 00:09:12
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think that's probably a good idea.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
I wonder, though, now that I have a kid, like, we're going to have to start thinking about, you know, school for him and stuff.
And there's really not, I don't know if I don't, you know, once we get there, we'll figure that out.
But we're going to probably have to get somewhere closer to some people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Doesn't Bozeman have good schools?
What are you near?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
What's the town?
I'm about an hour south of Missoula.
So I fly to Missoula to go home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Missoula has good schools, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But I'd have to move closer to Missoula.
And at that point, I'm like, why don't I just move to a city, I guess?
I know.
I think the move might be getting somewhere a little more populated and then keeping a cabin in Montana, like you were talking about, and then taking him out there whenever we can.
That'd probably be the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you have a place in your house where you record?
Do you have like a little recording studio or anything?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, like just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record, just to be like, this is something I've been working on or, you know, kind of a setup like one of these and a computer.
But yeah, I do a lot of writing up there.
It's a great place to write songs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How do you write?
Do you write on paper or do you just start strumming and singing?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's different every time.
Sometimes I'll have like it'll be a melody.
It'll be a guitar riff.
It could be like a lyrical idea, some sort of hook.
You know, it comes in a lot of different ways.
And then sometimes I'll finish something on my own or sometimes I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that I like and we'll kind of like bang it out together.
And that's the coolest part of the process, man.
There's something about making something out of absolutely nothing.
It's like addicting, you know?
It's really cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, jokes are similar in a way I bet.
I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing.
So it's like creating something out of like out of your mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
All of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing it in front of people.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And it's like, I've heard you talk about this and any good creative person talk about this, but like it comes to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You can't really take credit for a good idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I would just be driving and be like, whoa, that's, where'd that come from?
Like, whatever that is, give me more of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
You know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was talking to Michael Pollen about that yesterday.
We were talking about consciousness.
And we were talking about how it just seems like you're not doing it.
It's just coming out of the ether.
You know, it's just like, and you just have to show up and receive it.
And if you show up enough and you, you know, pay homage to the muse and sit there.
You ever read War of Art, Stephen Pressbook?
I got a box of copies.
I'll give you a copy of it out there.
He always gives, well, I bought a box of copies.
I bought a bunch of them and I used to hand them out to comedians and artists when I was on the show.
I was like, well, just listen to me.
You got to read it.
It's a really small book.
It's easy, but it's one of the best books ever about creativity.
And it essentially just, he tells you, if you treat it like there is a muse, like there is a god, a goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay respect to the muse.
You have to show up on time every day, sit there and do it.
And some days you get nothing, but you just got to keep showing up, keep showing up and trust in that process.
And eventually you're like, oh my God, this idea is so good.
Where did it come from?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Where did it come from?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, when I'm in a really good spot, sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually, taking care of myself, sleeping, I get more of those.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And I know there's this like mysticism around like people who like no, Henry S. Thompson or someone like that who just kind of spent a lot of time being fucked up and they still get it.
That never worked out really well for me.
I've tried it.
Trust me.
It's not great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
With those guys, they're trying to get out of their own head.
You know, they're just trying to get blasted so they could just like just release themselves from their life and then just obliterate it.
Just start writing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then the muse starts talking to them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Hemingway, or there's a lot of guys like who had to be sort of a little messed up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Stephen King.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
To do the thing.
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
His book on writing is fantastic, too.
It's called On Writing.
Stephen King.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I read that one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's great, right?
unidentified
Really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was obliterated most of his great work, most of the great stuff out of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And some of those guys, like, once they stop doing it, they lose the thing.
And I don't name names, but like there's some artists I love that they kind of got clean.
unidentified
Yep.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And you're like, where'd the thing go?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Which is unfortunate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it happens with comics, too.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Does it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Some of them, though, get better.
Like Dave Ettell got way better when he quit drinking.
It's interesting.
It doesn't always, it doesn't have to be that.
But for a lot of them, like that crutch, whatever it is that connects them to the creativity, once they eliminate that part and try to keep, try to stay alive, essentially.
Like Stephen King was like killing himself.
But his later work is just not comparable.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
What's your process like writing jokes?
Like, how does that start for you?
Like, how do you it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is a.
There's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere.
Like, I'll be just hanging out and then I have an idea or I'm driving in my car and I have an idea and I just have to write it down.
And then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer.
Just sitting down and like, what am I writing about?
I'm writing about immigration.
Okay, let me fucking and I write in essay form so I don't try to write like a stand-up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but that never works.
But what does work is if I lose myself in just ruminating on an idea and just explore it from every different angle, and then I'll find one paragraph.
I might write 2,000 words and I'll find one paragraph.
I'm like, that's it.
And I'll take that out and I'll put it in there and I'll try to introduce it on stage and then I try to figure out how to segue into it and then I try to figure out how to expand on it.
And then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare at that one paragraph and go, what else?
Like, what else?
What's the other angle?
Like, what if I was not like that?
How do I feel about if I was on the other side of that?
What if I'm the person that's going through this?
And what if I'm this and that?
And then I'll try to just try that.
And it's, it's like, I always describe it as like you're trying to, you're trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time.
And it's a long and brutal.
And then sometimes it's not.
Some jokes just come to you in full form.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like the way I wrote it is the way I say it.
It's perfect.
But that's, you can't count on that either.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And again, I don't think they're mine.
You know, they're just coming from somewhere.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The key is just showing up.
That's the key.
The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer.
Or some guys don't like a computer.
They want a notepad.
They want pen and paper.
They like it better that way.
And I get it.
But for me, I can type.
Like, I don't have to look at the keys.
I can touch type.
So for me, I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it, which is way better for me than writing down because I write slower than I type.
And so I want to be able to get it all out.
To me, it's like it doesn't.
And then I write it on paper eventually.
But when I first write it, I want to write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And you can cut and paste and move things to another file and start fresh and like explore it again.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
This last album I did, we tried a really different process than I'd done before.
Usually, you go into a studio, you know, there's a lot of money behind it.
You got a big producer who has, you know, you're taking up their time.
You have everything ready to go.
But on this new one, we did everything.
There's only two songs I'd had already written.
And eight out of the ten songs, we wrote either the day of or the night before in the studio because I wanted to make something as personal as possible.
Because, you know, the subject matter is stuff where I'm like, if this is gimmicky or overthought, it's not, then I'm, I'm sort of trying to like capitalize on grief or things I'm talking about.
So I want to go in and just be as open as possible and just get what we get and just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, that's the goal of country, really, or it used to be.
And so, yeah, we would cut and then in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day.
And if we didn't get it, we'd showed up early the next day and try to write the song for that day.
And it was an amazing process.
We called it the pressure cooker because it was just like, you better get something because you're on the clock.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Man, it was, it was, I don't, I doubt I'll ever do that again.
But what a like cathartic, amazing process.
Like, there, because usually you'll write a song, you'll have a demo for it, something where you just sit down and play guitar under your phone or something, so you'll remember the melody, remember the chords.
And you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you ever even cut it.
And with this, there was never a demo.
There was never, it was straight from heart, brain tape.
Like it was, it was pretty special.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think there's something to be said for pressure like that, where it forces you.
It forces you to come up with something.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the pressure cooker, man.
We just, we had to, you know.
Yeah, it was, it was amazing.
The Pressure Cooker Process 00:12:51
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it just forces your synapses to fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's something to be said for that.
Like, there's, that's the thing about comedy, too.
When you, when you have a new bit, like, part of the thing is, like, take that bit when it's not really done yet and just throw it out there in front of a crowd and find the beats, find where it is.
And sometimes in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a new idea.
Like, what the fuck is this?
Like, why are we doing it?
And then that'll be the biggest part of the joke.
Like, everybody will laugh harder at that part than anything else.
And it just comes to you because you're under pressure.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's something about forcing your brain to do things, like forcing your, like, you just like, like, you have to do it.
Like, you can't just dilly-dally, no procrastination.
It's right there, right now.
Let's go.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I mean, because you're directly connected to whatever the thing is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's a, it's like a flow state.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then there's stuff that just comes to me.
Like John Mellencamp told me he wrote Hurt So Good in the shower.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was just in the shower.
Come on, baby.
You make it hurt so good.
And he's like, it was done.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Best shower ever.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Sometimes love don't feel like it.
Wash his armpits.
He was cool.
He was an interesting guy to talk to, man.
Fucking dude just chain smokes.
He's in his 70s, just chain smoking.
He was so happy he could smoke in here.
And I'm like, you're not going to quit that ever.
He's like, this is what he said.
He goes, find something you love and let it kill you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I don't know if that one killed me.
That's a rough death, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a rough death, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I've dealt with smoking for some time.
And I always promised my wife that I would quit when we had our kid.
And we're almost there.
We're getting close.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You got the nicotine pouches.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I got this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do those help?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
They do help.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's a different thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
When I have a drink, though, it's like I can't do one without the other.
To quit smoking, I'm going to have to quit drinking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Really?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have to.
unidentified
Wow.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I just can't imagine one without the other.
It's like a package deal for me.
But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point.
You've quit, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I quit and started again.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, really?
You're back?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm back.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I quit for like eight months.
I didn't miss it.
But then when I had a couple glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, ooh, I like this.
This is nice.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I kind of missed it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How was that first sort of hangover?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I didn't get hungover.
I haven't gotten drunk.
I haven't gotten hungover since.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I've only been drinking again.
And even when I do, it's rare.
Like, I don't drink every night I go on stage.
I might have like a drink before I go on stage, or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine, but that's it.
I haven't been drunk.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The getting drunk is the problem.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And the real problem with me was like I was, I own this comedy club and I was with my friends and they're all animals.
And they're all just like, let's do shots.
And we'd go downstairs to Mitzi's bar and we'd be doing shots together and we'd have so much fucking fun.
And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out.
I'd be like, oh, fuck.
And I was just hurting.
So I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes and I'd get in the cold plunge.
And it's just, it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I'm like, I hate that.
I don't like that.
Yeah.
But I don't feel that with a glass of wine.
I have a glass of wine or two and I feel great the next day.
It does not, it doesn't bother me at all.
As long as I drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep.
I feel totally normal in the morning.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Getting drunk is the problem.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It is fun, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's the best.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Getting drunk is so much fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Getting drunk with buddies.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's the best.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
One of my favorite things is like going to a bar in the middle of the day and meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever.
And just like getting to know people I would never have talked to to begin with because why would we talk?
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I love that.
But again, I'm 42 now and the hangovers are starting to really smart, you know.
So it's not, it's not really worth the price of admission anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's not worth it when you get aware of your body, especially if you're a person like, you know, I work out all the time and I'm 58 now.
So as you get older, it's like most people at 58 are half dead.
They're kind of falling apart.
And I've managed to stay healthy and fit.
And I want to fuck that up just for booze.
But, you know, like I said, it's hard when you're with buddies and they want to do shots.
Like Shane Gillis is the worst.
He's the devil.
He's like, come on, we're doing shots.
unidentified
Fuck.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How can you not get drunk with that guy?
He seems like the most fun ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And you're having so much fun.
When you're drinking with him, it is just like your face is red.
You can't breathe.
Everyone's laughing.
You're fucking crying.
You're crying, laughing.
And it's just like you call each other the next day.
Like, how you feel?
Oh, my God.
I'm dead.
Like, there's a lot of times where we went out drinking and we have a gym here.
And, you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day.
And he'd be like, dude, I can't make it.
I'm like, come on, pussy.
You made me drink last night.
But he's just, he's the life of the fucking party, man.
And it's just, it's fun, but it's, it just, it comes at a cost.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That cost is rough, man.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Especially with the kid now and him being the age he is.
It's just, nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit than being hungover in front of your baby.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And you're just like, sorry, dude.
unidentified
Right.
I'm your dad.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Your kids want to play.
You're like, let me just sit here.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let me just sit here.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's not all right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though.
Glutathione is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it.
Glutathione actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker.
So there's a lot of strategies if you're a drunk.
unidentified
Glutathione.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
A lot of workarounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Liposomal, glutathione, and high doses is really good.
Electrolytes are huge.
Like a lot of the hangover feeling, there's two things that are going on.
One is your body.
That's why they say, like, hair of the dog that bit you, because you're actually craving more alcohol.
That's why people like Bloody Mary's the day after they're hungover.
That's not a great strategy, but it really does do a little something.
But electrolytes are huge because another part of it is you're just dehydrated.
Like your brain is dried out.
It's a dried-out sponge because you're out getting hammered the night before.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So you got to drink a lot of water, drink a lot of a buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme once, and he said it was nuts.
He goes, he's so disciplined.
He said the dude had a gallon of water with him, like a jug of water.
People take every shot he would take, he would fucking chug water.
And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated while he was boozing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Got to do what you got to do, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was like, credit to him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the way to go.
He goes, I never saw anybody do that before.
I'm like, wow, look at the guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It kind of makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, it's like.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have you interviewed him in here?
unidentified
No.
No.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That'd be a good one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That'd be fun.
He's kind of crazy.
He keeps talking about having a fight and coming back.
And bro, you're like 70.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Don't do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think he's just a little nuts.
He's also, he's famously indulged in the Columbian marching powder.
And I think, you know, sometimes guys get ideas that aren't really tenable.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Thank God I never had the taste for that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I never even tried it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have you never?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nope.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Definitely done it, but it's just, I have friends that they can't have a drink without wanting to go get a bag.
And I'm like, whoa.
And those guys have to get sober, like stone-cold AA sober because they'll disappear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they'll also die today because you can get a bad bag and it's got fentanyl in it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't get it.
I just never, it's like five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible is not doesn't pencil out for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I got lucky that when I was a kid in high school, I had a friend and his cousin got addicted to Coke and I watched what happened to him.
He was selling it too, and I watched him completely fall apart.
It was like, it was like he had been haunted, like something had taken over his body like a parasite.
He lost all his weight.
He got super pale.
He got real sketchy and weird and just hang out in his apartment and they would just watch TV and do Coke all day.
It was nuts.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh yikes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was horrible.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's dark.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser.
That was my number one fear when I was a kid.
I don't want to be a loser.
And so I'm like, okay, stay away from drugs because that'll turn you into a loser.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, there's sort of like there's some sort of gift in like having some ambition.
Oh, like wanting to be somebody.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, it can come with there's pros and cons of that, but one of the big pros is like anytime anything would get a little too dark and I realized I was losing my grasp on like what I was after, you know, professionally or whatever, I would course correct pretty quick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's just about whatever is fun.
And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever drunk or whatever, whatever it is that your demons are.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's rough.
I've seen a lot of people lose their life that way.
I mean, they lose their direction.
They lose everything.
You know, it's just substances can be fun, but they can take over.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And they can become your whole fucking life.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Not good.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm so happy I avoided Coke.
But I am interested.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Or too late, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I heard Hunter Thompson, not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden, excuse me, talk about smoke and crack.
He did this interview.
He was talking about how amazing smoke and crack.
And I was like, wow.
unidentified
Maybe I could try it once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I've never heard anybody try it once, though.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, that's famous last words, man.
No one's done it once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, everybody who tries it gets hooked.
It seems like that's a problem.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Must be pretty awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's gotta be.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's gotta be the best thing ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he said, like, it's way better than cocaine.
Like, you said, like, the guy who's interviewing him, what's the guy's name again?
Andrew Callahan?
When he was interviewing him, he's like, what is the difference?
And he explained like the delivery method, like how it affects you.
It's so much different.
Like the difference between a Zen pouch and a cigarette.
Cigarette hits you way different than a Zen.
Cigarettes like instantly.
Like, oh.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Apparently, that's what Coke's like, smoking it.
It was Richard Pryor, too.
I mean, he was essentially smoking crack.
They didn't call it crack back then.
They call it free basing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's the same thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Heroin, too, is another one.
It's like, those are the two big ones they tell you when you're like, you do this once, you're done.
Your whole life's over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I would imagine.
Yeah.
I've known people that have tried heroin once and be like, I can't do this again.
It was too awesome.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I do that with like painkillers and stuff.
You know, I've been prescribed and I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I had a knee operation.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I didn't do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I have multiple knee operations.
The first one that I had was in the 90s.
And they gave me a morphine drip, and they gave you a button, and you could press the button to get more morphine when you needed it.
Oh, my God.
I hammered that button.
I was lying in this bed, and my knee had just been cut open like a fish, and there's screws in there, and my ACL had been reconstructed.
And I was on this perpetual motion machine.
So the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff.
You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back.
So I'm lying in this bed.
My leg is going, and I'm hammering that button.
I was so happy.
I was like, I get it now.
I get it.
But that was only once, luckily.
And they didn't give me, they gave me some painkillers afterwards.
I think they gave me Percocets, but they were so bad.
I took whatever the dose was, and I only did it once.
It was so bad.
I felt so dumb and so dull and so stupid.
I'm like, I'd rather be in pain.
So I sold all my pills to this dude at the pool hall.
I gave him my pills.
I'm like, TR, you can buy these from me.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
One of my buddies was telling me he's in the military, and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case they ever got shot.
And you just pull it out, and the moment you start sucking on it, it's just like a morphine high.
I was like, I kind of want to get those to fly with.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Like, the plane's going down.
You just start sucking on that thing.
unidentified
You'd be fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, just put on the headphones.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It'd be amazing, dude.
Anytime I fly over the ocean, I'm just like, I freak out.
I don't like the fentanyl lollipop.
unidentified
Oh.
So.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Maybe that's what it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Gotta be strong.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Either way, though, wouldn't that be?
I mean, that's like biggest fear, number one, is plane going down.
unidentified
Yeah.
Bigfoot Or Just A Bear 00:15:09
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Because you have like five minutes to think about it, and you're hearing like everyone's screaming.
Everyone knows they're going to die too.
And you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're going to die for five minutes.
I mean, that is hell on earth to me.
I can't imagine anything worse.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's a rough one.
I think getting eaten by a bear might be worse because there's no one around you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I wonder, though, if with the bear thing, if you're in so much shock, like, are you feeling it?
You know, I wonder if you are.
Think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Especially if they start legs first.
Because the thing about bears is they don't kill you.
They just start eating you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like a salmon.
They don't kill a salmon.
They just hold it down, pull chunks off of it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yikes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Apparently, that movie Grizzly Man, the audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it.
Because they had a cut.
The guy's Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend, his ex-girlfriend, got hold of the camera.
So the camera, apparently, the lens cover was on, but the camera was running.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, right.
Yeah, I've seen that.
He listens to it in the documentary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's like, burn this.
Don't let anyone listen.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Would you listen?
Give him the chance.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I would do it.
Everybody would listen.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And then I'd hate myself for having a bad thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a fake version of it online.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I've heard that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's not real, though.
It's pretty obvious that it's fake, but people believe it's real.
But it goes on for five minutes.
Five minutes is a long time.
Like, think of a round, an MMA round.
It's five minutes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And all that time, you're just getting chunks pulled out of your body.
unidentified
Bro.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, once.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, in Alberta.
Yeah.
It was very scary.
And it wasn't a big one.
It was like a six-foot bear.
But it looked at me so different than any other animal.
Like, I've seen a lot of black bear.
And black bear look at you like this, like, who are you?
What are you doing?
They look at you sideways and they're like, I want to get out of here.
Grizzly looks at you like this.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, locks on you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, am I going to eat you?
And I was with my friend Jen.
She's a guide up there.
Jen and John.
They run a hunting outfit up in Alberta.
And they, as soon as she saw it, she screamed.
She screamed like, get the fuck out of here.
She racks her shotgun, cracks a stick against the tree to scare it off.
And then we immediately bailed.
They're like, let's get the fuck out of here.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I've never seen one.
Don't want to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They see big ones up there sometimes.
And John, her husband, he sprayed one.
He was in a tree stand and he sprayed it with pepper spray and the thing didn't even react.
He's like, you think you're going to, oh, bear spray.
I'm saved.
And it was like, fuck you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was just like this fucking nine-foot bear, this huge wild dog.
You know, this fucking immense, super powerful thing that can run 45 miles an hour.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, man.
Apex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fuck that, man.
They're terrifying.
Montana's got a ton of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio is like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods.
It's dark and you're walking through.
The first time that that bow hunt I was telling you about, you bring a sidearm and all you have is a bow in case you do see some mountain lion or something, grizzly bear.
And my buddy was like, what do you got on you?
And I was like, nine millimeter.
He goes, well, if you see one, shoot yourself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you got to bring a 45.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I guess there's a 10 millimeter with a special round you can take, but yeah, 9mm bounce off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, you're going to hurt him.
I mean, if you hit him in the face, maybe it'll do something.
But you're not even going to get through that skull, probably.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, they say it won't.
It'll literally bounce off its skull.
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's so crazy.
Cam hunts them with a bow.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Hunts grizzly bears?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies with a bow.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Does he hunt out of a tree?
How do you do that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
On the ground.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Why?
Spot and stalk.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oof.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I'm good on that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind.
And his attitude is, well, if this is how I go, this is how I go.
I go doing what I love.
He's got some crazy pictures.
See if we can find some pictures of Cam with a grizzly bear.
He's got one where he killed this massive one, and he's holding up its paw.
And its paw is like as big as my torso.
It's fucking fucking huge.
There's such a some guy recently, I think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed.
I sent it to Cam.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Damn, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Look at that paw.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Look at the claws.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Look at the claws on that thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground.
Click on that.
Look at the size of that fucking thing, man.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Do you know what state he's hunting?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That was in Alaska.
That's the only state you can hunt.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I was going to say it's probably illegal in the chat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason.
It probably shouldn't be in Wyoming and Montana.
It's gotten to the place where they really probably shouldn't.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska, I would imagine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, I don't think so.
I think the real problem is once they're not listed, it's very difficult to get them on a list, you know, to get tags allocated for them.
There's the video of him shooting it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Look at the size of that fucking thing, man.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's what I'm saying.
What if it just right there gets pissed off?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It can.
Well, there's a guy right behind him with a gun.
There's a guy right behind him with a rifle, which is also weird.
Like, anytime you're bow hunting and a guy has to have a rifle, I think you should probably just use a rifle.
My perspective.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Wait a few months.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, if I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I would definitely bring a rifle.
I just don't see myself doing that.
But I know a lot of my friends have.
And you have to kill a certain number of them just to keep the populations of the moose and the elk and everything else in check because otherwise there's nothing going to stop them.
And then you have a situation like you have in Montana or like you have in Wyoming where there's a lot of interactions with people and people wind up dying.
And there's no fear because in Alaska, they're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And that's the better relationship.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The relationship where they have zero fear of people, that's not good.
And that is Montana and that is Wyoming and that is Idaho.
Look at that guy.
So this is, is this the largest one?
1,600.
It's the second biggest ever taken by 100.
It's 1,600 pounds.
Look at the fucking size of that thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Dude, that's terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Good lord.
That is immense.
Makes me think.
Have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio recently?
Yeah, a bunch.
I kind of think it's someone fucking with people, obviously.
unidentified
But maybe not.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What are they seeing?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Are there bears?
There's bears in Ohio, I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There are.
And they're black bears in Ohio, and they do walk upright sometimes.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's probably a dude in a suit, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's probably meth.
They're the various sizes I've seen up to like 11 down to 8 feet.
Yeah, but they're just guessing.
You don't know how big a thing is.
You have a fucking tape measure.
You're like, excuse me, Mr. Bigfoot.
Stand still for a moment here.
Okay, stand up straight.
Put this under your heel.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I wish so bad.
I had a dude at a show last night who told me his dad was one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson Gimlin footage.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, so his dad was that guy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I feel like we know now that he can't be real because of how many trail cameras there are in the world.
Like, we would have seen him a few times at this point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I've never met a hunter that's seen one.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time.
Although I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan where we went looking for Bigfoot.
We went to the places where Bigfoot normally sleeps.
It's a person in a person in a Sasquatch costume, obviously.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No pictures, please.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's probably someone fucking around.
There's all different sightings.
March 6th, 7th, and 9th, and 10th.
Wow.
All different people?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Huh.
Boy, I hope it's real.
It would be awesome.
unidentified
That's what I'd also be like.
Maybe it's just a group of friends that are high.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm like, you know what?
We're going to do every night for the next fucking week.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
We're all going to call this fucking number and see what happens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Or we're going to run around the woods, but that's a good way to get shot.
Like some crazy dude is like, I'm going to prove Bigfoot's real.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he just fucking blasts you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Don't do it during hunting season.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Big mistake.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think it used to be a real thing.
That's what I think.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Bigfoot?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You think it was actually here at some point.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Because there's too many Native American words for it.
And Native Americans, I think we looked this up.
They have dozens of names that different tribes have for the same thing, a big, hairy, wild man that lives in the woods.
I think it was a gigantopithecus.
I think at one point in time, it was a real creature.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have they found any bones or anything?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the gigantopithecus bones, but they've only found them in Asia.
They never found them in North America.
But when the Bering Land Bridge was attached, a lot of animals came across from Asia and made their way into North America through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest.
And a lot of people have seen them in Alaska.
Alaska is like a hotbed for sightings, too.
I think those people are cracked out.
I think that's probably bears.
But I think the Native American stories, I think it's thousands and thousands of years old thing.
I think way back in the day.
Like I was watching this.
This is this guy named Michael Button.
He's been on the podcast before, and he's a historian who really focuses on ancient civilizations.
And he was doing this whole video on YouTube about how little is left over, like how rare it is to make a fossil.
Like, think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of years, and yet we only have like thousands of fossils.
And what are the possibility of a fossil existing from a civilization, like a fossilized human being from a civilization 200,000 years ago?
It's almost none.
Most things never become a fossil.
It has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil.
And so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized ones.
And that's a tiny fraction of what we find.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And so if there was some sort of big, hairy thing that lived here, because we know there was humans that were living in North America.
Now we know that they were here at least as far back as 22,000 years.
Because of White Sands, New Mexico, they found footprints.
And then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different organic matter that's in those footprints.
And they get a carbon date of like around 22,000 years, which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like 13,000 years ago.
And now they push that back at least another nine years.
And they think it's probably, these weren't the first.
There's probably people there even further than that.
So if humans were here, let's say they were here 50,000 years ago, that puts it in the timeline where gigantopithecus could have been alive.
Because I think the fossils that they found of Gigantopithecus are 100,000 years old, which is just fossils, right?
Like you never know.
And they didn't find that until the 1920s or 30s.
They found teeth in an apothecary shop in China.
And this guy was there, who was an anthropologist, like, what?
Where'd you get this?
Because they were primate teeth, but they were fucking huge.
And so then they took them to the place and they found jawbones and a few other pieces.
And this thing, they've determined because of the shape of the jawbone that it was bipedal.
So it stood up on two legs and it was like eight to ten feet tall.
It was a giant primate that was in the orangutan species.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So that could be Bigfoot.
That could be what these people saw.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So it probably existed in North America at one point in time.
But around the time of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which is 11,800 years ago, somewhere around 65% of all North American megafauna was eliminated.
All the woolly mammoths, giant sloths, American lion.
We had a lion that was bigger than the African lion that was in North America.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That Younger Dryas thing you're talking about, that's a comet hitting there.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's what ended the ice age, and that's what created the Great Lakes, and that's what melted all the ice that covered most of North America back then during the Ice Age.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's definitely debate, but there's a large group of legitimate scientists that are 100% convinced that we were hit.
It's a matter of what impact did that have, and was that responsible?
Because there's a berserker theory.
The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything.
We got so good at hunting.
But the problem with that theory is back then, there's not even evidence that they had bow and arrow yet.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
They wouldn't be that good at it.
unidentified
No.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, especially like the American lion and like mammoths and the giant sloths.
And there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were here back then.
So it's, and it's, this is like ice age people, like with stone-tipped spears.
Is that did they kill these things?
All of them?
They killed all of them?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They weren't even riding horses.
They were just on foot.
Like, I don't know.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fucking comet.
And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's my favorite one out of all of the like Bigfoot's the best one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's just, it would be a crazy thing to see, you know?
Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think they call them samurai recordings because it literally sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese.
It sounds so fake.
It sounds so fake, but these people are there's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake and they want to fight you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, they're all in.
They're so committed to Bigfoot.
The guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot hunting, they're so possessed by it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Where'd you go?
unidentified
Where was that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Pacific Northwest.
It was like right outside of Seattle up there.
I met this lady that was really convincing.
She said that she saw this thing.
She's like, why is there a gorilla in the woods?
And she's like, oh my God, it's Bigfoot.
And like, she didn't seem kooky at all.
But I think what she saw was a bear and a bear standing.
Like black bears stand up on their two legs and walk all the time.
Especially if they have a hurt paw.
They'll walk on two legs.
I think she probably saw it.
But Pacific Northwest is so crazy because I'm sure you've been up there, right?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The woods are so dense that it's like a box of Q-tips.
That's how I describe it.
Trusting Government Footage 00:06:27
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like you can't hardly see anything.
So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees just for a few steps, that might be the only thing you see.
And your head just starts spinning and you start creating this imaginary narrative.
Here's the recordings.
Right there, right?
So this guy's talking.
Oh, my God, it's Bigfoot.
It sounds so fake.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I don't buy that for a second.
unidentified
Not a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But man, people, the Bigfoot dorks, like that show, Finding Bigfoot, I had that dude.
What's his name, Bobo?
Is that the dude's name?
We had him on, and I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit.
He's like, no.
He's like, so upset.
unidentified
It looks so fake.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit.
And then the dude that they think was wearing the suit, what is his name again?
I forgot the guy's name.
But the dude who they think was wearing the suit, he looked like Bigfoot.
Like, he walked like him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There's like a little bit of a hole in the middle like that footage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was a big old cowboy.
Big old fucking tall ass cowboy.
And he had a walk like a fucking gorilla.
unidentified
Roger Patterson.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Roger Patterson.
Well, Roger Patterson was the guy that filmed it, right?
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Patterson Gimlin footage.
unidentified
I don't know.
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I thought one of them was the one in the suit and the other one filmed it.
unidentified
Who I'm mistaken.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But there's a side-by-side of the actual stupid video that they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot.
And then this guy walking.
And I think it was a different guy.
unidentified
Yeah, it could be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I forget his name.
But it looks, I'm like, that's him.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Have you ever had a flat earther on here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No.
Sort of.
I've had some people that want to dabble in it.
Like, shut the fuck up.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's the craziest one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't want to have that conversation with people.
And people are like, yeah, because you lose.
Because the Earth is flat.
Listen, everything else is round.
Why would this place be flat?
Why would it be?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Why wouldn't it be?
unidentified
Why wouldn't it be lying?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Why would the people that get up in the fucking space station be lying?
We know it's circles.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
We've seen it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It spins around.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
We have pictures of it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We have satellites.
They think all the satellite images of Earth are fake.
They think everything is fake.
I think a lot of that's a schizophrenia.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then a lot of it is like, somehow or another, it's biblical.
People believe that it's that they're trying to hide it from us because they don't want us to know that God is real.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say?
It doesn't say the earth is flat.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Never.
Never talks about it being flat.
They had figured out the earth was round thousands of years ago.
Like snipers have to calculate the curvature of the earth when they're making shots.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, there's too many things against it.
Like the fact that we've seen it is the biggest one.
We know exactly what it looks like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I had Roger Avery on the other day, the director.
He's a really interesting guy.
And he went down a bunch of maybe too many flat earth rabbit holes.
And he was like, well, you know, pilots don't have to adjust for the curve of the earth.
And then I talked to a friend of mine who's a pilot.
He goes, you know why?
Autopilot.
He goes, it keeps you at an altitude.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That makes sense.
Because you always have, you know, you're the same distance from the Earth.
So that would make sense that you would go on the curve.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Fucking dirt.
It's just that being something that people would what's really interesting is there's this one guy who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them that the earth is round.
And like this idea that there's a so he like takes, and there was one guy, and he flew him out there.
He's like, I can't believe I believe this.
unidentified
It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He spends money.
He spends his own money taking these guys up there for free and educating.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
How does he prove it from up there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He flies them up there and shows them you actually can fly over Antarctica.
They don't want you flying over there because if you crash, no one's going to come get you.
You know, you're dead.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like, but people do fly over it.
The idea that you can't is stupid.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There's no secret World War II base.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's no wall there.
They're probably doing some weird experiments and shit up there, though.
I do think that's true.
Like there's some people that have some pretty convincing stories of direct energy weapons and things that they're developing up there.
And there's a neutrino detector that they have up there that a lot of people think does a lot more than that.
They think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather.
It's a weird rabbit hole to go down.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit that we don't know about up there.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, man.
It's so weird, like, in this time that we have all the information where nobody trusts the government anymore.
Has it always been like that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It has been a little bit that nobody trusts the government, but now there's reason to not trust them because we've seen what they've done with real events, like the Epstein files and a lot of other stuff where you're like, JFK, where you're like, why don't you just fucking tell us what you know in the interest of national security?
Some things must be redacted.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a reason to not trust them.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, like growing up, you see older guys are always, they didn't trust the government.
The world's going to shit, all this stuff.
And I'm like, am I just getting old?
Or is this happening to everyone?
Are we all doing this now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think as you get older, you also take in enough information that you know that they're not being straight with you about anything.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, this is that was always been my argument about the moon landing.
Like, you think that they're going to not lie about this one thing when they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks.
Everything in the 1960s they lied about.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because they could.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
There was no.
unidentified
Exactly.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, they controlled all the information.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But that's what's interesting about today.
Like, that's why there's less trust in the government than ever because we have more access to information.
So there's more reason to not trust them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, it's like it's a squirrely time.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Living Off The Land 00:04:18
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's why I like living in Montana.
When it all goes down, I'll be way far away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You ever see anything in the sky that you say, like, what the fuck is that?
You see anything weird?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Nothing crazy.
No.
When we did decide to move there, my wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and this guy put on a little performance for us.
That was part of the.
Like, I think we're supposed to move here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was, you know, it was a little induced.
But yeah, it was, and we both saw it, and we were with people who didn't see it that were also on mushrooms.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So interesting.
So it was a show just for you guys.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's what it felt like.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Man, we both were like, we were making sure it was the same thing, and our friends were like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Did they take the same dose?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
So I think that was like they weren't supposed to go there.
That's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Maybe it's a fate thing.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
We felt very spiritually connected to it after that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's a good place to be spiritually connected to.
It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it.
It's one of the last places, like Wyoming's like that as well.
It's one of the last places where it's not tainted.
Even though there's cities there, it's settled.
It's like it's so much more wild than it is tame that you still get this feeling of like humble.
You get humbled by just the vast spectacular nature of it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's almost like we feel like nature is the novelty these days.
And it's like, no, man, everything that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete on should be the novelty.
Nature is the actual thing.
That's the way we're supposed to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, and we've all kind of like flipped that in our head.
And obviously, I'm not, I have the luxury to be able to live out in a place like that.
But the more I live there, the more I feel like this is how I was meant to live.
You know, me personally, I can't talk for anyone else.
But I'm just in a way better place mentally and otherwise.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic, like above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle.
They filmed him this vice documentary called Hein Mo's Great Adventure.
And this guy's been living there since like the 1970s.
He moved up there and he's got a log cabin and he just lives up there.
All he does is hunts caribou and goes fishing.
And he's a really smart guy.
And this like nerdy reporter with glasses goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days.
And, you know, the guy was really like, really compelling in the way he was describing.
Like, I think this is how people are supposed to live.
Like, I'm so much more calm and at peace.
It seems natural and normal.
Like, this is how you're supposed to live.
And all he does is just like hunt and fish.
And he gets like some supplies dropped off to him, like, you know, canned goods and shit, baking soda or whatever.
But most of his life is just living off of the land.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
The proof's in the pudding, man.
When I'm in a city for a long time and I'm on my phone, I'm looking at Instagram and all that stuff.
It takes a week before I feel insane, like completely crazy.
And if I just put that stuff away and go outside, even in a city, like if I just put that stuff down for a little bit and go outside and connect with the person, I feel infinitely better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And if you just look at the stuff on your phone and you're so sucked into that, you would believe the world is a shitty place.
But then if you don't look at that and you go outside and you live your real life, it doesn't take long before everything feels good again.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Like you have hope again.
You're meeting your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going to the post office.
Everything feels pretty good out there.
It's just your phone telling you that this place is terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, this is the big bridge to crazy.
Much more than cities is these fucking things.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're the bridge to crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
And like, that's what AI is learning from.
It's only learning from all this terrible information we're putting online.
So it can't learn from the real world.
It can't go to the grocery store and see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
99% of what you do out in your real life is fine.
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
You know, but it's only going to see the worst of all of us and then show us that even more, show that back to us because that's all it knows.
AI Learning From Music 00:02:57
unidentified
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
That's really scary to me, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is scary.
And it's never going to really appreciate a great song.
It's never going to really appreciate art.
It's not going to appreciate love or community or friendship or any of those things.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's not going to appreciate the feeling that you have.
You can just call your neighbor up and go over his house and shoot 500 yards in his backyard.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know what I mean?
It's not going to get that.
It's not going to get how cool that is that that guy's 70 years old.
He hits a deer.
He's like, he brushes it off.
Fucking 70.
70 years old hitting a deer.
You're supposed to be dead as fuck.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
No, man.
Not him.
He looks like John Wayne.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I and you, we can appreciate that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that.
They're going to get off the motorcycle.
You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And dude, you're talking about music.
It can make good songs, though.
I've heard you play someone here.
And my friends will just, you know, whatever apps they have, I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll just give it a prompt, and the song is incredible.
And it does it in 10 seconds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's spooky.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's really weird, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But it's only doing it derivatively.
Like, it's only taking the songs that other people have written and just making sort of some sort of a conglomeration of them and spitting it out.
Or it's redoing an old hip-hop song in like a blues style or something like that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Unfortunately, that's 99% of what humans do, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It is all derivative anyway.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know, but at least it's a person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like something to me about, even if it's derivative, if it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a dude and his friends did that.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know?
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And you can get behind a person as an artist and like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
That's the silliness.
That is so silly, isn't it?
Like if you really start to take off, someone's going to eventually go, fuck that guy.
I knew that guy when he was just fucking just starting out.
He was pretty good.
His songs were good.
And then he and then he made it.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It's going to be controversial, but the first Cold Play album is still amazing.
But they got so huge that everyone hates Cold Play now.
And you're like, but they are really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I like Coldplay.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
I do too.
Music birds are like, they can't do Coldplay because they're doing stadiums and your mom likes them now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think that was one of the things that people didn't like about Nickelback because Nickelback was almost like the first AI.
You know what I mean?
Like that rock star song, that was like, that was like an AI version of like a lot of like, like Cypress Hill had a rock star song that was like, but Cypress Hills sounds so much more general, like genuine.
Whereas the Nickelback one is like almost like, these guys are just too AI.
It's almost like they're not really.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was the beginning of sort of like auto-tune and all that stuff.
But auto, like really good auto-tune that you couldn't tell.
Not like the auto-tune that's in rap where you know they're auto-tune on purpose.
Auto-Tune Sounds Too Perfect 00:01:18
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
It was like everything's so perfect.
And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And the subject matter is like, I've heard all this stuff before.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's the problem.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Right down the middle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
It was AI.
Nickelback was the first AI music.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
People are weird with their taste, and they want you to like what they like.
That's what's really weird.
Like, you have to like what they like.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Or they get mad at you.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What are you going to do?
Well, listen, man, I really enjoyed talking to you.
It's a lot of fun.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I love your fucking show.
I can't wait to watch Marshalls because I love you on Yellowstone.
It's a fucking great show.
I'm really bummed out that your wife's dead now, though.
That sucks.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it was rough.
I didn't.
I love Kelsey and we love working together.
But, you know, ultimately, you don't want to just sit and watch a guy be happy.
That wouldn't be a very good show.
You know, he needed a motor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He just had a cool relationship, though.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was fun.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
But he had his dream life and they were happy together.
So you can't watch that for 50 hours or however long this ends up going.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, he knows how to mix it up.
I'll tell you that.
A dude knows, Taylor knows how to fucking throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy.
luke grimes ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Make it interesting.
So I can't wait to watch it.
unidentified
Thanks, bud.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
Thanks for being here.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bye, everybody.
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