The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky

Feb. 5, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience

02:30:55

Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky

# yucatan whale_vertebrae wandering_wolf 200_tons acl_live alternative_history ancient_civilizations archaeology brian_forrester chasma_valley chavez_culture chungo_skull cleopatra_of_south_america coca_leaves colossal_blue_whale corral delphi dr_proctor dr_william_morrison dr_wilson el_brujo elongated_skulls graham_hancock hugh_newman ika_mafia juaqueros lanzon_monolith looting_and_artifact_trafficking megalithic_structures mike_collins nazca_lines norte_chico_culture paracas peru peruvian_culture pyramids pyrite quest_for_ancient_civilizations_conference raul_bilecky ruth_shady san_pedro_cactus soxa_waman spanish_chronicles tiwanaku tridactyl_mummies victor_wynns_museum

Raul Bilecky reveals Peru’s looted megalithic sites—like Vinya’s precision-cut stones and Norte Chico’s 4000 BCE pyramids—where undocumented ruins, including sunken plazas and underground temples, face destruction from earthquakes, agriculture, and looters like Juaqueros. His drone surveys uncover lost structures, such as Puru Lin’s 16 platform pyramids (possibly pre-1800 BCE), while skepticism surrounds elongated skulls and "tridactyl mummies," some linked to a 2000–3000-year-old migration theory. Bilecky critiques mainstream archaeology’s reliance on surface artifacts, like Machu Picchu, over deeper research, and warns of sensationalized claims without peer-reviewed evidence, urging urgent documentation before coastal erosion and illegal trafficking erase history forever. [Automatically generated summary]
[Read More]

Participants

Main

jamie vernon

05:14

joe rogan

52:26

raul bilecky

01:22:21

Appearances

brien foerster

00:55

dan proctor

00:52

eric burlison

rep/r 00:33

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Show episode speakers

Speaker	Time	Text
Ancient Sites and Stolen Funds 00:14:04
unidentified		Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
		The Joe Rogan experience.
		Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, Joe, very nice to meet you, brother.
		It's so good to be here.
		I have enjoyed your content tremendously online.
		And I really got into a video this morning that I was watching where you found this megalithic site that was undocumented in Peru.
		It's incredible that they still have these ancient sites that for whatever reason, it seems like the money that they get gets stolen.
		Like the money that is supposed to be allocated towards documenting these things and registering these things.
		People just say, fuck it, I'm going to pocket it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It happens a lot more than you think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just hard to believe, man.
		Some of the stuff that you document is very heartbreaking.
		Like one of them was when you flew a drone over these ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places that have been looted.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's just all of it.
		It's just, you see these holes.
		And when I first saw, I'm like, what is he showing me?
		And then you're like, these are all spots where someone has dug in and looted.
		And most of it has been done in this area of Peru over the last 20 years.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Over the last 20 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So from 2006 to 2026, more.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I would add the biggest amount of looting happened.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's actually died down some, but the end of the 20, so 1980s to 2010s, I would say.
unidentified		That's what it really like when it really took off.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And you can tell from the trash that's left there, like cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s, soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave trash.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they've become landfills of human remains.
		This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's eight full kilometers of just, it looks like the moon.
		Every single location has been looted.
		And I was like, I got to go up there and see what this looks like.
		And so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Pull up to the microphone a little bit more.
		So looting, what are they at at that point in time?
		I mean, these are hundreds, thousands of years old, these sites.
		So what are they finding?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of the mummies that I – because I found mummies that have been torn apart literally.
		Like they're – the cotton that they're wrapped in, the textiles that they're wrapped in.
		I mean, it's just, they've been scavenged.
unidentified		Are they looking for jewels?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		For some sort of metallurgy, like on the person themselves.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The unfortunate thing is, I mean, all you'll see is you'll just see these bones littered across the landscape with broken pieces of pottery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was also disturbing.
		How much bones you see everywhere.
		You see a bone right there.
		These are all human bones that you just find scattered.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's all cotton, and what we're about to see here is an actual mummy that's been torn apart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is so sad that there's no protection.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's going out there, man.
		Nobody.
		Except for the looters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I know very little about Peru other than, you know, obviously the Nazca Lines, the mummies, all these different things, the mystery of the place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you show on that, please?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The video is over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's over.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's a couple burial drone statues.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's just.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You go to the top.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How big is Peru?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know geographically how large it is.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean Peru is huge.
		I mean it takes up – this is another – this is a different looted site.
		So, this is all this, all of this is in the Paracas-Nazca eco region.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The skulls are just sitting there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So, the looters will oftentimes leave, I don't know, set them up in this fashion.
		There isn't a site I've gone to where I haven't seen something like set up like this in the end.
		But so, I pull out to show the scale of it.
		I mean, every little piece of white you see is some part of a human.
unidentified		Wow, it's tragic, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just so much history lost.
		And so, does this stuff wind up in private collections?
		Do museums ever get it?
		Like, what happens to that stuff?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I don't think museums get it at all.
		It's private, private buyers.
		I actually met a term is huaquero.
		It's a grave robber.
		I actually met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of the Artesanales where they're selling ancient goods.
		Well, some of them have real things that they go out and they loot.
		And I mean, this is one of the things I've been thinking about, like for the future, like what can be done about this because the government, nobody from the government's going out there.
		And so, these things end up in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery, things that you would see in museums.
		It's just nobody from that official administration is taking the trip to go out there and preserve these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems like just the ancient civilization of Peru is a massive mystery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems like there are a lot of uncovered stories in that area.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Peru is a hotspot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't seem like there's an incredible amount of research being done other than by independent people.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so, Joe, there's just so much in Peru.
		I mean, you throw a stone and you're finding an ancient archaeological site.
		I mean, they're doing, whenever they do construction, they end up coming across structures or bones.
		I mean, this last expedition, I went all over the country, and there is no lack of archaeological sites.
		So, the money and I just, the money it would take to fund research on all these places is just extreme.
		It's extreme.
		I think there's a lot of history that goes missed because of what's currently happening.
		But a lot of times, a lot of the research is focused on what's going to bring tourism.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like Machu Picchu and things along those lines, which is also insane.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Phenomenal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just incredible.
		Like, that place is like, what, why, how, why'd you build it up here?
		Fucking nuts.
		A good friend of mine just actually went, just recently took his family up to Machu Picchu.
		And he's like, it doesn't even make any sense, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Machu Picchu is what started.
		My family's from Peru, and so I would grow up going there.
		And I have this back when you were filming with cameras with like a videotape.
		There's footage of me finding seashells at Machu Picchu when I was like 10 years old.
		Back then, you could go wherever you wanted.
		You didn't have to stay on a path.
		And so I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And for people that don't know, Machu Picchu is like, what, 12,000 above sea level?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so I'm a kid.
		And I mean, I still have the footage, the grainy footage, and I'm showing my dad on the camera.
		I'm like, dad, dad, look, I found seashells.
		You know, I saw them inside of they were like glinting in the mud in the wall.
		And so I took them out.
		And that's what started this whole process for me.
		I was just like, it blew my mind that there were seashells way up there.
		And so I studied about earth cataclysms and ancient history and when sea levels were different.
		And that just, that's, that is a moment that started kind of this whole path for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How old were you at the time?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		10 or 12.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Wow.
		So how many times have you been there since?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, growing up, we used to go every year and a half or so, and that's continued into my adulthood.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's only been recently, the past two years, that I've been doing what I've been doing, which is like hardcore solo expeditions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so when you look at a site like Machu Picchu or any of these ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional archaeologists attribute?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they attribute it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s, early 1500s, I think the Inca were conquered by the Spanish in 1530, I think.
		And so most of that megalithic architecture they attribute to the Inca.
		However, there's evidence that there's a site, Jamie, if you could pull it up.
		It's called Vinya.
		This place is there's megalithic architecture with precision that goes down 50 feet under this mountain.
		Check this out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Buried so deeply underneath.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So I believe they filled in the top to in modern times, but very soon there's going to be a guy who shows us a map.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so you see very different construction.
		From the bottom to the top.
		But that's how it always is, right?
		The most complex stuff.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So that's showing that this architecture here, it goes down 50 feet into this mountain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what do they think this was?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So this complex is all attributed to the Wari.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's attributed to the culture that came right before the Inca, which doesn't make much sense to me because what you see on the surface, that's Wari construction.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is small stones.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are they held together with?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Mud, mortar, mud as mortar.
		But then, so this site has only been 4% excavated.
		4%.
		It's underneath all of it is that type of architecture, which is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you have mud and mortar with very small stones, and then underneath it you have precision cut megalithic stones.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how big are these stones and where are they supposedly coming from?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That, so here's a funny story.
		So this place, if you look, you can find it on Google Maps.
		They call it the El Complejo de Wari, so the Wari complex.
		But if you go back to the Spanish Chronicles, Pedro Ceyza de León, when he was in Tiwanaco, so Tiwanaco, where Pumapunco is in Bolivia, when they ask the natives, you know, who built this, they say, we don't know.
		It was built before us from the people from the lake.
		The same people who built Vinya.
		That's what the natives said.
		That place, Vinya, is 800, 1,000 kilometers from Tiwanaco.
		And it's the same construction.
		So it makes sense kind of what they're saying.
		The people who built Tiwanaco also built this place.
		But before they know, before they knew that they didn't witness it, they was just there when they got there, is what the locals say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a lot of stuff, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's part of the weirdness of South America.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, even Mexico, right?
		Yeah.
		That's the weirdness of the Aztec structures.
		I didn't know that until pretty recently, that the Aztecs labeled Tino Chitlan the place where the gods were born.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They don't attribute that to themselves.
		They found it when we cleared the area.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you think about it, I've still to this day.
		You know, I was up in Lake Titicaca, and I mean, there's structures all over the place, but you're like, where were these people living?
		And because there's no remnants of cities or towns, and the reason is, is because in modern times, people have recommissioned the blocks and started and use them for their farms and their homes and things like that.
		You have a good location, a place of reverence, you're going to build the next culture is going to build on it.
		And I think that's happened a lot in a lot of places.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, everywhere, right?
		I mean, that's Lebanon, too.
		That's Baalbek.
		It seems to be the case that those immense stones where the Romans built on top of them.
		The Roman documentation is pretty precise.
		They documented everything.
		It never talked about these enormous thousand-ton stones that are seven meters up in the air.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		We're just going to put them in the base of our structure.
unidentified		Yeah, like what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They didn't even talk about them.
		They talked about these beautiful structures that are on top of that are clearly Roman, but the stuff underneath it just defies logic.
		And some of the stones that were never moved and put into place that were cut and quarried, but just never moved.
		1,600 tons?
		How?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And things you can't replicate nowadays.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like with modern machinery, we can't do it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's I've always when I started this path, you know, I was, you know, Fingerprints of the Gods was one of the first books I picked up.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		My dad had it in his library, and that set me off on a course.
Mainstream's Lazy Responses 00:04:54
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And the inability to be able to, I don't know, I don't buy the mainstream.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It feels a little bit lazy, the responses that the mainstream kind of gives to some of this stuff, as opposed to just saying, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's purposely ignorant.
		It's more than lazy.
		Because if it was just lazy, I mean, they've been confronted by all this other alternative archaeology evidence and all these other people that have explored these things and shown.
		And there was always the conventional wisdom that there was no society back then that was capable of doing this.
		So they had to attribute it to more recent societies.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Until Gobek Lee Teban.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Then you're like, okay, you guys need to shut the fuck up.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a power in admitting, like, if we're looking for the truth here, then it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts this that we thought before.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		All right, just say that.
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, just say it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating that they can't.
		You know, because they are like every other form of academia.
		They are just like, I mean, you might as well be talking to a gender studies teacher.
		Just like they don't want to look at reality.
		They just want their narrative and they want to be the gatekeepers of information.
		And then they just want to push that narrative forward.
		And they're so mean.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I only started recently being on X within the past year.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just like, the cattiness of it all, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it just exposes them.
		It exposes their personality.
		And they're just not the type of people that I want to talk to about anything.
		Especially you're not the gay people.
		If you're a 41-year-old person, you're not the gatekeeper of ancient history.
		You can't be.
		There's too much.
		There's too much all over the world.
		It doesn't make sense.
		None of it makes sense.
		And that's, I think, why they're so terrified of people like Felipe Biondi and the scans underneath the pyramids.
		Because if he's right, and it appears he is, over 200 different independent scans.
		And they all say the exact same thing.
		If he's right, you guys are fucked because you're going to eventually have to say, we're wrong.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You have a moment here where you can choose which direction to go.
		Pretty soon that moment's going to be lost.
		But it's like, this is what the evidence is presented.
		And like you said, verified over 200 different studies.
		It's like, all right, we might be wrong.
		Let's see.
unidentified		Well, let's say they don't want to do it.
unidentified		They don't want to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're still digging their heels in.
		They're just discrediting themselves, which is fascinating.
		It's really interesting.
		It's really interesting to watch these assholes just like flounder.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it makes me think, you know, what's the reason behind it?
		Is it pride?
		Is it ego?
		Is it because you wrote some books on it that you need to keep selling?
		Is it because it's in textbooks that universities use?
		I mean, there's a lot of layers to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all the above, but you can tell just by the way they communicate online, a lot of it is ego.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it is ego and just really bad personalities.
		You know, these people that are accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed to being in the hierarchy of academia where, you know, you have these tenured professors and then they have the people that are coming up under them and they all follow the same sort of rigid structure.
		And so any heterodox thinkers, anybody who comes in from outside the box just gets shit all over.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no open-mindedness.
		I don't know if this is like a parable or something, but I don't know, some story where there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets stuck and it's backing up traffic and nobody can get through.
		Everybody's trying to figure out what the hell how to get this truck through.
		And just, you know, some farmer walks up and he's just like, take the air out the tires.
		And problem solved.
		And so the inability to let other people come in with thoughts and opinions, it just, it really, I think it's a real detriment to the study of these things because in my approach to some of the places I've gone, I think it is that, yes, we have research.
		Yes, there is a level of understanding at a lot of these places what happened, but it's also that going into it with a fresh set of eyes.
		You know, sometimes, I mean, I get so locked in my work.
		Sometimes I can't see outside of it.
		You know, sometimes it takes another party to come in.
		And then all of a sudden, your mind is blown in a completely different direction.
		I don't see that level of openness to things on the side of a lot of the mainstream academia when it comes to this stuff.
Calling Into Question 00:16:36
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Super Bowl 60 deserves a sports book built for the moment.
		DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 60, puts you right in the center of the biggest game of the year.
		Anything can happen during the Super Bowl and DraftKings has your back with early exit.
		If your player goes down in the first half, you still get paid in cash when your bet settles.
		No bonus bets, no waiting.
		While other sports books don't offer injury protection, DraftKings covers the entire first half, even the second quarter.
		And early exit works on live bets too.
		Pregame or in-game, DraftKings has got you covered.
		New to DraftKings, new customers can bet just $5 to get 300 in bonus bets if your bet wins.
		Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and use the code Rogan.
		That's code Rogan to turn five bucks into 300 in bonus bets if your bet wins.
		In partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours.
unidentified		Gambling problem?
		Call 1-800-GAMBBLELLER in New York to call 877-8 HopenY or text HopenY-467-369 in Connecticut.
		Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org.
		On behalf of Booth Hill Casino and Resorting, Kansas, pass through if per wager tax may apply in Illinois.
		21 and over.
		Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction.
		Boyden, Ontario.
		Restrictions apply.
		Bet must win to receive bonus bets, which expire in seven days.
		Minimum odds required.
		For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG.co slash audio.
		Limited time offer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, people have to really understand that the whole concept of being stream academia is only a few hundred years old.
		And that's what's weird.
		It's like, so these very recent structures, these very recent establishments, want to be the gatekeepers of information of a vast swath of the world.
		I mean, it's not possible.
		It's not possible that you know everything.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know a lot.
		They know a lot about things they have discovered.
		They do.
		They know a lot about Mesopotamia.
		They know a lot about Iraq, all the amazing stuff that they find.
		There's some stuff they've very accurately dated, but it doesn't explain things that you can't explain.
		And they want to try to fit it into the that's what's goofy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's, I mean, look, if the puzzle beast doesn't fit, stop trying to force it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's also like more gigantic, spectacular pieces.
		And you're like, well, those aren't important.
		I mean, Ben Van Kirkwick with this most recent discoveries where they're using the ground-penetrating radar to find the labyrinths and this 40-meter-long metallic object that's inside of an atrium down there.
		Like, what is that thing?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have my.
		I hope it's something.
		If they go looking, and I hope they do, and this is the other thing.
		It's like, let's start putting money towards this, like, now, you know what I mean?
unidentified		Right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, figure this out.
		I don't know why I thought this.
		I think it might be a meteorite.
		If it's some sort of metallic thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		40-meter long.
unidentified		I know.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a fucking civilization ender.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But imagine the next civilization coming across that.
		Hearing the stories.
		It's like, shit, let's worship this.
		Let's revere it somehow and put it in an atrium.
		That's my thought.
		Exactly.
		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's 40 meters.
		Yeah, there's a meteorite at Mecca that they all go to touch, which is kind of crazy, right?
		But completely makes sense, right?
		Something comes from the sky, it lands, causes chaos, and then you worship it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that also wasn't one of King Tut's knives was made instead of a meteorite or something like that.
		I mean, so they were finding these things.
		40-meter one is pretty big, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know, but also tic-tac-shaped.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's the other thing.
		I'm like, so when it comes, I'm just like, let's go.
		Let's go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's part of the Bob Lazar lore.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bob Lazar said that when he was told that at least one of these things came from an archaeological dig.
		Like, what?
		What?
		What do you mean?
		He's like, that's what they were telling me.
		I don't know.
		But they told me that one of them was from an archaeological dig.
		So these things are really old.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, and his accuracy with some of the element 118.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		115, something like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		From 1989.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When Element 115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's why I forget who I was talking to outside, but we were talking about, I think it was talking to Jamie about that, about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things coming from archaeological sites.
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Let's go find it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where it gets really weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where it gets really weird is these mummies.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		We're going to go into the mummies.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Eric Burleson, our representative, talking about how he's asked the White House to give DOD the power to let them go see this stuff, including a buried UFO.
eric burlison ▲ ● ▼		Reportedly, an object that is not in this country that is so large it cannot be moved.
		That they've built an entire building around it.
		And I think that I think either Greer or another individual has actually mentioned this site, but I'm not going to mention it because it is a classified location.
		But there is a really apparent, there's reported a really large object.
		And that's one of the locations that I'm requesting to get to.
		It's going to involve a lot to get to make that happen, but that may be the final destination.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shit like that makes me want to run for president.
		Because that's all I would care about.
		The economy would be in shambles.
		I'd be like, show me the UFOs.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they do it?
		Because I've heard that.
		They kill me.
		I mean, on that need-to-know basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents, you know, Kennedy got too close.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's what they killed Kennedy for, but I think there's a bunch of things.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's a whole lot of layers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the UFO people love to think that it's UFOs.
		That's why they killed Kennedy.
		But they think everything's UFOs.
		But it definitely seems like I don't know about the evidence, you know, because it's just stories.
		And that's the problem is that a lot of this stuff, and this is how I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast and talk to me, you know, supposed whistleblowers.
		Some of them I think are legitimate, and some of them I think are disinformation specialists.
		I think they're designed to muddy up the water.
		And this is what, you know, what they're saying is designed to muddy up the water.
		And that's what they're trying to do.
		They're trying to make a lot of this stuff look silly and push certain narratives and just create confusion.
		And I think a lot of it is probably some black budget, weird science stuff that we have.
		But then it begs the question: where'd you get that?
		Is that really like the Diana Pasalka work where she's talking about essentially these things are donations and that we're supposed to take these things and try to figure it out?
		And then you look at some of the creation of some different inventions that happened very quickly after Roswell.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Our civilization just, I mean, just been on a boom ever since.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, weird stuff.
		Like the fiber optic stuff and transistors, just the history of the creation of the transistor and the people that were involved in it.
		It seems awful fucking fishy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I try to stick with what I evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it just gets so murky.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like you said, all of this gets so murky that I don't know how the truth would even land.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the truth would have to land if there was an overall comprehensive effort by all of the world governments.
		And there would have to be some sort of unity in this and some sort of a recognition that this is really important for the entire human population to understand our past.
		And if this is nonsense, let's find out that it's nonsense.
		And if this is real, this changes everything.
		And when you look at, just look at the vastness of the cosmos, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that this stuff either came from somewhere else or was here because they were here.
		That there was an advanced civilization here, whether it's our civilization or whatever the hell those mummies are.
		The tridactyl mummies are weak.
		That stuff's weird.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		We can talk about that because I did a deep dive with my friend Will.
		And there is too much amok going on with these things for me to objectively say that they are what people are claiming them to be.
		There's too much wrong with the picture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, a lot of them are fake.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them people have seemingly created with a bunch of different animal bones and human bones and pieced them together.
		But then there's the weird ones.
		You know, there's the weird ones that are mummified and they're in the fetal position and you see a structure that doesn't exist in the human body, but it's complete with tendons and ligaments and some of them have eggs inside of them.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That, Joe, I'm telling you, man, look, I want to believe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's bullshit?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think it is much closer to bullshit than it is.
unidentified		All of them?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think what we're dealing with here are real human beings from the past.
		They are ancient that have been put together.
		Will from Incredible History has done some amazing work with some amazing specialists.
		I mean, people at the top of their field on this stuff, looking at the x-rays and the DICOM files and calling out cuts, calling out incisions that were made, calling out why things don't make sense.
		And for me, the reason I put out my last video on the Nazca mummies is because there's this whole other narrative, too, of where the money is, who's making money off of these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think that is there money being made off those little mummies?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Please.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got something?
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So I remember, I forget who you were talking to.
		It might have been Jesse Michaels, but I remember you saying, you know, these are one of the greatest art projects if they were fake.
		Well, if you just scroll to the right here, this is what the- That's the goofy one.
		Yeah, but that's what the Joaquero is selling.
		He sent that to me personally, the guy selling these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These goofy ass for people at home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't see it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's a folder on there that has the pictures in the photo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These ones.
		But what is the one that is the female that's in the Maria?
		Is that what they're called?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Maria is one of them.
		I mean, so Will had on Dr. William Morrison and Dr. Proctor, Dr. Wilson.
		I mean, like people in the top of their top of their field analyzing these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this is fake as fuck.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, everybody.
		You can get this for $15,000.
		This comes directly from the Joaquero finding these things, by the way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I did like a little undercover thing trying to see what I could lure out of him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is not particularly compelling to me.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But it's in the same class coming from the same place, supposedly the same group of people are providing these things to the ICA Museum.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is where they're having.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Monsterat.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Is that what the Montserrat, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Montserrat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these are, like, again, these are not that compelling to me.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The small ones, no.
		The big one.
		So the big ones, though, are, Gosh, they keep coming out with new specimens.
		There's a new one, Antonio, who's a teenage boy, except for his feet.
		His feet have arthritis in them, which indicates that they put the foot bones of another specimen on this thing.
		Now, what these doctors have done, look, and here's the thing.
		I mean, I wanted to be clear.
		I would love nothing more than Peru to be the hotspot of some new species.
		I don't think we're alone.
		I don't think we've identified every species.
		But also, I'm not putting my money on these things coming out as authentic.
		I think they have been used with authentic bones, which is why they're getting the dates.
		I think that, dude, I did a deep dive on this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, feel free.
		Tell me.
		Tell me what you found out.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I initially wasn't going to make the video I did, but after spending days staying up doing this research, I couldn't not do it.
		And I found, like, I've been watching the whole Gaia series on this stuff, and I found myself getting entranced by the, like, maybe, maybe, and then, and then also watching the whole reason of putting this stuff out there is like, look, make your own decision, but don't just take in the fantasy.
		Take in the other possibilities too.
		And just have all the information before you make your decision.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, clearly, we know some of them are fake.
		Clearly, clearly.
		You know, even people like me who want so desperately to believe.
		And it's also the corresponding artwork from the past, the three-toed, three-fingered artwork, which is weird.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That is weird.
		And I saw some of those geoglyphs down there in the middle of nowhere.
		And then the whole thing with James Fox and the Brazilian Canadian.
		And that thing.
		The three-fingered thing is a weird thing in history.
		With these bones, I mean, I'm going to have to point you to some of the videos that these specialists have come out analyzing the files.
		But where the money is, is exactly what's happening now.
		It's we have this possibility.
		We're going to make a show about it.
		We're going to put out this new thing.
		It goes deep, Joe.
		The same doctors, the same specialists that are verifying currently the Nazca mummies have been on the same team for the past 20 years verifying other species and specimens that they've alien hybrids and the same people.
		Literally, my whole video, I'm just like, this is what he said in 2007.
		This is what he said about this fake thing in 2012.
		This is what he said about the fake thing in 2017.
		And I put it back to back.
		So it's the same narrative.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Same people.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's the same people, the same narrative.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so you think that the construction has just gotten more sophisticated?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		100%.
		100%.
		They learn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is that, the major one?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Maria and Montserrat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's find Montserrat and see the Jesse Michael stuff because he went down there and looked at them and they did scans on the bodies.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And then I have a link to, I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about Montserrat's feet, the x-rays of his feet, and pointing out that's on the spreadsheet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see that.
		I'd like to see that.
		So do you think that these are recent creations of old bones?
		Is that what it is?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And how do you think they did it?
		Is there any speculation?
unidentified		Think that so there so here's the what's up, Jimmy?
Joints and Spacing Mysteries 00:03:25
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Just asked him a question.
		I cut him off.
		Oh, how did you think they did it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you think they did it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that they've gotten very good with taxidermy.
unidentified		Hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, because we've seen that before, where you take like an owl and you attach it to an iguana.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		In fact, in the research I did, there was this, dude, there was this demon fairy thing in 2017.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		If you want to pull up my video, let's start with this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's start with this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to the demon fairy thing soon.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This shit is wild.
dan proctor ▲ ● ▼		So, this is from a surface scan that was available.
		And I went in and just kind of removed some of the fuzziness so that I could highlight the bones.
		And one of the things, again, that you notice is that the joints have a lot of spacing between them.
		These are not joints that are in contact, so they're dislocated.
		Now, the main part here, the central area where the cuneiforms are in the cuboid, those articulate with five metatarsals normally.
		The way these are lettered, A would go with the big toe and E would go with the little toe.
		And again, just like in Maria, those are missing, but the joints are not lined up properly.
		The shapes of the joints don't go with the matching bone on the cuneiforms of the cuboid.
unidentified		That's exactly what I was seeing in CT.
		So none of the articulations of the metatarsal junction really made any sense.
		And some of the bones didn't even meet an articular surface at all.
		So that jumped out to me immediately because then my first question goes to how would that even be a functional foot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So Montserrat, that's so that's why does Montserrat have tendons?
		Click on that.
		Keep it going a little bit.
unidentified		Where I thought I saw the raised resection because people were talking about there still being tendons and stuff intact.
		And I would agree that some of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed out, in the correct position, but then some are just missing.
		So if you wanted to elevate the illusion, one of the ways you could do that would be by performing a raised resection.
		And essentially, that's a function-conserving surgery where if you've had damage to your metacarpals or your metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or metatarsal and kind of rearrange your fingers or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to keep your limb functioning.
		So her feet, Montserrat's feet, were just a little bit different where I think they might have used more complex procedure like that versus Maria where her feet just looked more like arts and crafts to my eye.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So and that's the so Maria came up if these things are hoaxes.
		There is also, if we're just going with that angle, there's a clear evolution of the work that goes into them behind the scenes.
		Like that one came out after the first one.
		The first one got called out on a whole bunch of things.
		All of a sudden, the next iteration doesn't have the same issues.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're correcting.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so, and that, and that's actually, I forget, there's an archaeologist on X.
Mafia's Money Mystery 00:03:26
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		He said that's very common in the world of fake antiquities.
		Like they learn.
		Once they get called out on something, they'll figure out how to make the pottery better or something like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is there a lot of money in this stuff?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, apparently.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where's the money coming from?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How does it for me?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's not even in the sale.
		The most money coming from this is not in the sale of these things.
		It's in the shows that come from it.
		It's in the series.
		It's in the subscriptions to get to the next season where they're going to finally reveal the truth about it.
		There's a lot of money being made in the background.
		And that's part of the deep dive I went on, like following the money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So who do you think is making them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a theory?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I believe that there's actually in my video and one of Will's videos.
		There was a grave robber, a whistleblower, a grave robber who was part of this team.
		And he shares how he was getting stuff for Mario, like the main guy.
		There's got to be a team of specialists working on this stuff.
		And I mean, money went into making these things because money's going to come from it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems like a lot of money, though.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you would think that that would kind of fall apart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I would think it is falling apart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it is under scans.
		But I would say someone would rat somebody out.
		These are unscrupulous people.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's part of the reason I also decided to make this video.
		And a lot of the pushback on this stuff is like, oh, you don't trust Latin American doctors or anything.
		No, it's not that.
		Latin American doctors from Peru and journalists from they're afraid to talk about this stuff because things can get violent down there surrounding this topic.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		An article from 2012 about a mummy being stolen, and it goes on to talk about the Ika Mafia.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's a mafia.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The Ika Mafia.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, the guy Mario, who officials have warned about the existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with links throughout Southern America and Europe, and at the time it was $18 million a year in stolen archaeological artifacts, Peru estimated was being taken out of the country.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is all going to wealthy people in other countries that want to have these artifacts in their homes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've seen the text messages with some of the American buyers.
unidentified		Really?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these guys are just like, come on into my den and show you a mummy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		What I'm talking about specifically was tapestries, and it was actually the guy I met in the Artesa Nautilus in Miraflores.
		And he showed me video.
		He was very open with me.
		He showed me videos of because the buyers want to see Provenance.
		The buyers want to see them pulling the artifacts out of the ground.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		So they just destroy them and then they just sell this stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Mummy crowdfunder leaves archaeologists fuming.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So there's a guy in London that's selling this stuff.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So Victor Wynns Museum in London.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Cabinet dedicated to dead people.
Larger Human Skulls 00:15:05
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And they were trying to get a mummy from Peru.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So it's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is going on with the skulls?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The elongated skulls.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, I have a.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think that's one I found.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here's one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You found that one?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's one of three I've come across.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, supposedly there's a difference in the way the skull, you know, when you're a child, what is it called?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The sagittal sutures.
		Yeah.
		I found some without the every elongated skull that I've, the three I've come across, all had the sagittal, all had that suture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a normal human does.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like a normal human.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these would be from pressing boards on the child's head when they're in development.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Binding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But then the question is, why would you do that?
		And I mean, I err on the side of you don't just come up with that.
		you're trying to imitate something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know, and so that that's and then you see it in Egypt and the hieroglyphs and stuff.
		So I do think like there is you know that there's we've we've labeled things other species with just a bone fragment.
		You know, I'm like there there's there's deserts of these things and I think that if the right study went to them, you might have a separate species if you put the money towards studying this stuff because it's all out there, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all right, like a separate branch of the human species?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, which makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're finding separate branches all the time.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Denisovans, you know, all these different ones that they found within the last 20 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And there could be something with a larger head, an elongated head.
unidentified		Yep.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And that's the, I don't know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth about it, but it, I mean, either you had whole cultures just doing this, or there's too many of them for it to have just been kind of some elitist practice, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And a bizarre practice at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to do that to your kid's head?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When clearly it's probably not been done to your head, at least the first people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what were you trying to imitate?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I forget who told me this.
		There is some, I think Will told me this.
		There's some woman who did this practice on herself, like actually trepinated her own head to well, we've talked about treponation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When we had that woman on, did it to herself.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, wait, so you had her on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, a woman who did, what was her name again?
		The psychedelic lady?
		I believe she passed, didn't she?
		Recently?
		Really fascinating woman.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Amanda Fielding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Amanda Fielding.
		She died recently, right?
		Yeah.
		So, but she did self-trepidation.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		She did self-trepanation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's not elongation of the skull.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, but there's an idea that what that trepidation might have done, in the ancient days, they did it to release the evil spirits if somebody was afflicted with some sort of psychosis or something like that.
		But and I forget if it was Amanda.
		Something happens with your brain waves when the brain is exposed or something like that.
		There's some sort of I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How the fuck do you find that out without doing it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But if the skull is elongated, I don't know if it gives extra space to it.
		I forget who told me this.
		It changes the chemical structure of the brain that kind of like a DMT experience, you're open to more things.
		And so an idea is that if you elongated it and had that extra space in the skull for the brain to have more oxygen, I guess, maybe it affects your brain chemistry.
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just pure speculation.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Pure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But one of the things about some of these skulls they found is that the volume is larger than a human.
		So how would you do that just by stretching it out with boards?
		I mean, it would seem like you have the same volume.
		You're just changing the shape of it, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but there are some, like you said, that have more volume, that would appear to have more volume.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And have there been no studies on these weird ones, the ones that don't have those sagittal lines that correspond with human beings?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Because some of them don't have French studies.
		That's the problem.
		That is the problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are we looking at?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are we looking at an animal head that they've kind of shoved onto human features and glued things together?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But with the mummies?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, some of these skulls.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, some of the, like the one you just saw, I mean, they're there.
		They're just out in the desert.
		I don't know why funding hasn't been.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you found them just sitting there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you just leave them there?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I put a pin on it.
		I mean, eventually one day I would like to, I don't know, form some sort of relationship with the Ministry of Culture.
		Because the thing is, nobody's going out there.
		And I specifically went to places this last expedition that I went the first year just to see what happened a year later.
		And those places were looted even more.
		The things I had found and come across and documented like an elongated skull wasn't there anymore.
		So these things are being taken and sold.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Makes you wonder how much of it was there in the past.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't, like that eight kilometers of looting, it was all bones and textile and pottery.
		I mean, just eight full kilometers.
		And like, so it's an eight kilometer graveyard?
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		When I'm looking up trepination, this elongated skull is coming up.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Apparently this one is in Oklahoma, a museum of some kind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the one that looks like it's had surgery on it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's some sort of a metal implant.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't come up in that context.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Like this one's coming up too, but what they're saying is that the metal implant is used after trepination has been done to sort of patch the bone.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes that has been documented as happening.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What kind of metal are they using on your fucking head?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the weird thing too, because that metal has come up in the skull scans on like Montserrat.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't know which one in particular had it, but they're saying it's got like metal that wasn't available.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that one in the lower left-hand corner?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That one looks crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's the Chungo skull.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that one looks different.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's...
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It says it's in Paracas.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's Paraco.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Click on that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's very close to where I found the one I showed you from my footage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that skull looks nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that doesn't look like a human skull at all.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That one is the lines on that one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't seem like it has any of the normal lines that a human skull has.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The museum, unfortunately, is closed now, so you can't go see it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I tried to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, where is it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It was in Parac.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The Ministry of Culture shut down that museum.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the collection often exceptionally elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly around the village of Chongos near Pisco, dating to around 700 BCE to 200 CE.
		His skulls exhibit severe artificial cranial deformation, practice used by elite Paracas culture members to signify status.
		Huh.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That is the one we just saw in that museum is the largest one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's weirdly large.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you find some more images of that one?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to find some other stuff that's not three years old or older.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We'll just see the images of it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It might be hard for that one since the museum closed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, but there's images.
		Yeah.
		So that looks like it's a lot more volume than a human head.
		The one on the far left, just the one, yeah, either one, the one below it.
		Like that, just the image alone of that.
		How do you get a normal human head to be that large without some sort of stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball and kept pumping it up while they're a baby?
unidentified		Like, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What the hell is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so much bigger than a normal human skull.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And then you think if it, you know, with the skull binding practice, I mean, is there going to be some form of mental difficulties with that human being now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or expanded capacity.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Or expanded.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because I think, so the cranial capacity is 25% more than a normal skull.
		It weighs 50% or 60% more than a normal skull.
		Also, the eye sockets are larger, and the jaw is larger and more compact.
		God, that looks like a different kind of human.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So there's, there are, and when you go to these museums, there's all sorts of different.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that one up there?
		The one to the right of your cursor.
		What the fuck is that?
		Is that real?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's why I was, I didn't want to go yet.
unidentified		Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that fake?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen that one before.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Taking me to Facebook is already a big red flag.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Facebook is a hub of fake shit.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You can't escape it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the same picture.
		So a lot of them are probably AI generated.
		But that one that's 25% larger than a normal human skull and larger eyes.
		The eye sockets are fucking huge.
		That's also weird.
		That's the problem with all this looting that's been going on for so many years.
		It's like there might have been some evidence of a different kind of human that lived with these people.
		And I mean, imagine if we find out that that different kind of human was what populated that area.
		And they were the people that built Soxe Huamon.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Because Paracas is the highest concentration of the ones that have been found.
		But you find them up in the Cuzco region, too.
		There's a video I have.
		I think it's Chisniri, C-H-I-S-I-N.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask you, what is the conventional explanation for the larger capacity of the skull and then the larger eyeballs, the eye sockets?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that there is a conventional explanation other than...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems like you would have to explain that.
		Like, if that's not something different.
		It's a cranial Homo sapien human being like you or me, what is that?
		That seems that's a different thing, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You would think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Like, if you look at a Neanderthal skull, and you look, mine's pretty close to one.
		But if you look at a Neanderthal skull and a normal human skull, you can clearly see the Denisovans, you clearly see the difference.
		Homo Julians, you see the difference.
		That's different, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's different.
		And some of this, some of the stuff in their jaws and with like the set of teeth, there's differences.
		I mean, I haven't done a deep dive into it personally, but there are a multitude of differences that have been highlighted.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And for people that are skeptical, one thing you have to recognize is that it's really hard to make a fossil.
		Fossils, I mean, most things that die and have died forever do not become fossils.
		They get consumed by the earth like a normal thing would.
		You know, that's why you don't find.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, yeah.
		And I mean, if you're talking about going back 10,000 years, that's why you're not seeing much evidence of stuff.
		I mean, it's been so long.
		These things are preserved because they're between at most, typically at most 2,000-ish years in that region old.
		They're preserved so well because of the climate there, which is, I mean, when you're going in these barrels, you still see the hair of people.
		It hasn't disintegrated.
		Like, it's there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God, that's so creepy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I have some creepy photos for you, man.
		Like, I don't know.
		You might want to put a disclaimer out before you know it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People know on this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't need a disclaimer.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Quick question.
		I found a video of a guy with an elongated skull.
		He's talking about these and showing it.
		I'm just size of reference to his hand.
		Does the skull seem small?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Unless he's got some giant-ass basketball.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of the size of the one I showed you earlier.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It was smaller than you would think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of the people there back then were very small, right?
		They didn't have access to a lot of protein.
		Like, I went to Chichen Itza, and one of the weirder things is how small the people are there.
		How small the mind people.
		I'm short already, and I was a giant compared to these people.
		It was really weird.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's typically the same.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This episode is brought to you by Armra.
		Every week there's some new wellness hack that people swear by.
		And after a while, you start thinking, why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies?
		That's why Armra colostrum caught my attention.
		It's something the body already recognizes and has hundreds of these specialized nutrients for gut stuff, immunity, metabolism, etc.
		I first noticed it working around training, especially workout recovery.
		Most stuff falls off, but I am still taking this.
		If you want to try, Armra is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts.
		Go to armra.com/slash Rogan.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Same in Peru until when the Spanish came.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then the interbreeding.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And then interbreeding, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But if you go to Jamie, if you just open up the photos remains folder, this is the stuff you see.
		I mean, there's still skin on some of these things.
		Which is why.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, that's creepy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and how old is that hand?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Probably, I mean, at this burial site, based on the artifacts I was seeing, it's Paracas or Nazca.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go back one, Jamie, please.
		Look at the cloth next to it, too.
		So what is that piece of cloth, you think?
		It's like it's braided at the bottom, and then the.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see a hole in the middle, so I don't think it was a and it's too fancy for a sling, I think.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not 100% sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's a fancy sling, like some people have fancy bows and arrows, fancy guns.
Strings of DNA Evidence 00:15:31
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		True, true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at the hand, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so creepy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But so, and what you see to the right of it is like what kind of looks like burlap is.
		I mean, that's what the mummies were wrapped in.
		They were stuffed with cotton or put in the fetal position, wrapped with textile, then cotton, then more textile and ropes, and that's some of the cotton and wrapping that the grave robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and jewels and things like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And what's unfortunate is some of the most beautiful pottery there, too.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's just completely destroyed.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at all those bones.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is, you found this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		God, that's got to be creepy just seeing all those dead people's bones and rope.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It affects you, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It definitely does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what's the time period of this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is 2,000 years.
		That picture actually isn't from Nazca.
		That was another.
		I have a video of this to show you.
		This place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's just so much weirdness about Peru.
		Just the Nazca lines alone.
		Like, what were they doing?
		Why were you making artwork you can only see from the sky?
		That's crazy.
		Oh, look at the hair.
		That's nuts.
		Oh.
		Normal-sized skull, though.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that one, I don't have the pictures in that folder, but I measured it.
		It's incredibly bulbous.
		It's much more bulbous than a normal skull.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you're just getting a side view of it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I put the tape measurer there next to it.
unidentified		Oof.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You see the skin.
unidentified		Yeah, isn't it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The skin and the hair on the skull.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, that's creepy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's why, yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know, I thought that I had gotten this is another thing that's been set up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you think the grave robbers do this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know, there were some places where I found things set up like this with little candy, little modern candies.
		And what that is, is it's a tradition called Pago Latiera, paying the land.
		And so whoever left the candy, I don't think was a grave robber.
		It was probably a local.
		And it's a way of giving back to the land, giving back to the ancestors.
		I started doing that with, you know, if I had a soda bottle or something, you pour out some Coca-Cola and pay the land for walking to it and documenting this stuff.
		It was a nice little practice.
		But so the I would say that like 2,000-ish years old, just to circle back, so some of these things, this is all on the surface.
		I don't go digging.
		That's not, it's not on me.
		But the Juaqueros do.
		And that's where they're finding these things intact.
		They're finding these things intact where you can put them into a CT scanner and it's going to show the whole insides.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have any paleontologists done or archaeologists brought these skulls and brought them for examination to try to find out if there's intact DNA that can be studied?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		They're supposed to be doing DNA tests on six of the specimens.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But if you watch my video, you'll see each time they've done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've been a part of before, I imagine the results are going to be the same.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I don't mean the hoaxes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean the elongated skulls with the large eye sockets, things along those lines.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know, there is a lot of the bureaucracy of how to go about doing anything with the Ministry of Culture in Peru is so disjointed, you can't get things done.
		You just can't get it.
		I know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to get some sort of official path to do DNA studies on these things.
		And so, I mean, I'm hoping with the work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past that some of those boundaries can be broken, where we can actually get permission to study these things because it's Peru's patrimony.
		You can't just go in there and, you know, that makes sense.
		And so, and it costs money to do those things too.
		And you have to do it in the above-board way.
		And so it's kind of waiting for the okay from them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like at the very least, the most bizarre elongated skull should be studied more closely.
		It shouldn't just be like, oh, it's in a museum.
		Look at the head.
		Big, huh?
		Weird eyes.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Let's move on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at this bowl.
		It's broken, but you know, pretty interesting.
		Let's move on.
		Like, no, what the fuck is this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Put some money, figure it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because if it turns out that there was a totally different branch of the human species.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's huge.
unidentified		It's huge.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the accuracy of this.
		That's why I'm hesitant to even bring it up.
		But as you're asking about that, that video I pulled up is this guy said that they tested 12 or 18 skulls.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's Forrester.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And some of them came back as Native American.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to, I'm reading the closed captioning, but some of them did not.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Some of them came back from the Black Sea area.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The Caspian Sea, Black Sea area from 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Which there have been skulls found out in those areas too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if Jim says it.
brien foerster ▲ ● ▼		Black and Caspian seas, as in the Caucasus Mountains.
unidentified		Whoa.
brien foerster ▲ ● ▼		So that's very intriguing.
		What I can also share with you is what I believe was the migrational pattern, because these people, like some indigenous people of the Caspian area and Black Sea area, were and are dark red-haired and also very light-skinned and green eyes.
		And this seems to correspond as well with the elongated skulls.
		So I believe one of the things that they're talking about 3,000 years ago, the ancestors of the Paracas decided to leave the area because they were being invaded by someone.
		And so they traveled south through Iraq and Iran to the Persian Gulf.
		And there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually found their way to the coast of Peru.
		There are different routes.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's making speculation.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'd be touching.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So that's the thing.
		With theories like this, I'm like, let's put some effort to peer review this stuff.
		You know, like, let's do the studies that are needed, have multiple universities test these things, come up with the standard set of results.
		And then, I mean, so what is missing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Funding, interest.
		It seems like this is, in terms of like really doing a comprehensive study of archaeological sites, Peru seems like the least studied.
		Is that accurate?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Halfway, I would say, only because, look, there's a part of me that also feels for the Ministry of Culture in a way where there's so many sites in Peru that to have eyes everywhere to protect it, to have teams excavating things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that alone kind of crazy?
		How many sites there are in Peru?
		And the fact that also you have Soxa Huamon, you have the Nazca Lines, you have all this weirdness in this one part of the world.
		Like, why?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You have the oldest stone pyramids in the Americas, pyramids that predate the pyramids of Giza by a thousand years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do they look like?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		If you look up Corral, they are, dude, I've done a whole thesis on this.
		Like, I plan to write a, I don't think I'll ever get it peer-reviewed, but I plan to write a paper about my theories on some of the stuff I've found.
		So Corral was this area on the coast.
		It's C-A-R-A-L.
		And these pyramids had, Graham Hancock's been looking into this stuff too.
		this sunken circular plaza so they're just this is a whoa this This predates Giza.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we think.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The Great Convention, the conventional dating.
		Right.
		So, all right, let's see if I can condense this.
		This site has, I don't know, eight of these pyramids.
		They're actually all throughout the valley and four valleys around it.
		The earliest one in a separate valley close to this dates back to 4000 BCE.
		It has the remnants of a sunken circular.
		The main thing to keep note of is that sunken circular plaza because it's a feature that you not only see there in those four valleys, but you also see it 200 kilometers north of Peru.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what's the conventional explanation for these sunken circular plazas?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Ritual spaces.
		Some people say collecting water.
		Some people say the acoustics are different.
		Here's the interesting thing about it.
		This site was discovered in the 1940s.
		Wow.
		Nobody did anything about it.
		This is what happens in Peru.
		From the 1900s, early 1900s to 1940s, archaeologists and historians were going up and down the coast finding stuff.
		I mean, just finding stuff.
		And they would write it down.
		They'd put it on the map.
		That's why the Ministry of Culture has it on their archaeological database.
		They'd pick through it what they could, put stuff in museums, and just move on.
		That site, Corral, predated any ceramics.
		I mean, this was a pre-ceramic culture, so there were no artifacts to find.
		So they just moved on.
		It wasn't until Dr. Ruth Shady in like the 80s and 90s actually put research in and figured out, hey, this is older than everything else we found because they just overlooked it.
		There were no artifacts.
		They were just like, we're going to move on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you say no artifacts, like that seems weird to me because why would you make these immense structures and not have a bowl to put rice in?
unidentified		Right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		A lot of animal skins and the weaving.
		So these cultures, what they found is, so that's a little further inland.
		They had a sister site on the coast.
		And so what they would do, the only agriculture they would grow was cotton.
		That cotton, they would trade with the people on the coast so they could make nets and fish with it.
		The fish they would bring back, they would give back to those people who made the cotton for them.
		So it was this weird, you know, interplay.
		And the other unique thing about this time period is there was no evidence of warfare for a thousand years.
		Nobody was fighting each other.
		It was very just everybody, no weapons, no anything like that.
unidentified		No weapons?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No weapons for a thousand years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That seems insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that just no evidence of weapons?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's currently no evidence of weapons.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, but maybe someone stole the weapons.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because, I mean, you're talking about a place that's been looted ad nauseum, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they put in a lot of work, though, excavating, especially that site Corral.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you feel like somewhere they would find some sort of an axe head?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		They found the only artifacts of major note are some of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes with carvings on them and the nets, the fishing nets.
		And my whole theory is this was a pocket.
		It's called the Norte Chico culture.
		It's a little pocket of these four valleys.
		And I went all over them documenting these pyramids.
		They don't look like pyramids anymore.
		They look like mounds.
		They're so old.
		But there's another place 200 kilometers north in the Chasma Valley.
		And what they have found is underneath the structures that are currently exposed, they found deeper layers of temples with that sunken plaza in this whole other location.
		And those are dating to the same time.
		So I firmly believe that what archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture, I believe it went the whole coast of Peru.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, this was a cradle of civilization.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, hands down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Cradle of civilization 6,000 years ago.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		6,000 years ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, which is right around the time we think the cradle of civilization happened in Sumera.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so the hard thing about it is, like, you'll have car, you'll have some carvings in Adobe that's been preserved in some of these places.
		So there's some sort of iconography, but there's no writing like the Sumerian.
		The whole thing about Peru is like there was no writing system that we know of.
		There is a theory, and I believe this.
		I believe the kipus, the rope strings with knots, I believe that was a language.
		But the Spanish burnt as soon as the Spanish came over, they burned as many as those things as they could find, and they killed the people who could read them.
		So we won't ever know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, Spaniards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How dare you?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But there's like there's evidence that they would they took some of the Incas to the Spanish court.
		And so there's an Inca in the Spanish court in front of the queen or king reading off of these kipus, reading stories, telling the court from knots on strings.
		From knots on strings.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that understanding of that stuff is lost.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's lost.
		Currently, I think for the last few years, there's been some studies being done in Harvard trying to use AI to figure out what these me.
		I mean, how many of these are left over?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can we see some images of them?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think 500 to 1,000.
		I mean, that's it.
		I mean, the Spanish went on a mission to burn all these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they were trying to convert them to Spanish and get them to speak the language and become Catholic.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so much history is lost because of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So it's, but what's interesting is at that oldest place at Corral, they found a kipu.
		They found one of these knotted strings.
		And it wasn't a fishing net.
		It was what looked to be a kipu.
		And so if you have that tradition going back 6,000 years, I mean, that's there.
		There's a lot of.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This picture's from 1994.
		This is what it looked like then.
		Just doesn't look like anything.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		See that on the right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Those pits?
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's looting pits.
Paved Over Mysteries 00:13:23
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And wow.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's what it looks like from above here.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I was looking at a map.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so they had to dig it up.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This is the map from above.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty big area.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why is ancient history so damn fascinating?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		If you go on my spreadsheet, there's a place called Herade.
		What is it?
		I'm looking at my notes here.
		Sunken Plaza Hera de Pando.
		It's a link to my YouTube.
		So this, what we're about to see is right across the valley from Corral.
		So all throughout that valley are these sites from that Norte Chico culture.
		And I'm like right there on top of this pyramid.
		And just the drone footage is epic, man.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So I went on a mission looking for these places.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing about this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying is that a lot of these stories, you're never gonna get the full answer.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're never gonna get the full history.
		It's just the mystery will never be satisfied.
		You're always gonna be hungry.
		You know?
		Which is, is that for a person like yourself that studies these places and has dedicated so much time to it, is that in any way frustrating or does it add to the appeal?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Both.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, look at that 6,000-year-old son.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's no one there with you at all, it looks like.
		No.
		No one can stop you from taking it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, look at that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, if you got caught, yeah, this is just me.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I actually spoke to there was an archaeologist who told me to go to that place, and so I went and I was the only one there.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So this is my whole thing was I identified most of these places through Google Earth first.
		Like they're not labeled.
		These places aren't labeled at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these aren't documented places.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This one place right here is?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's not on Google Earth, though.
		It's not on Google Maps.
		You won't see any marker of it.
		But I was able to do some digging because of the guy who took me through the site.
		I meet this random guy, Luis.
		Luis is amazing.
		He's a farmer right here.
		I freaked him out.
		He thought I was coming to rob him because he gets robbed often, apparently.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But he walked me through the site, and he, this one, okay, if you pause it, that right there on the bottom right is another one of those temples with the sunken plaza, except that one has monoliths.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it looks like Stonehenge.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And nobody's done a study on Astro.
		I don't know that stuff.
		But I can almost guarantee that there is some sort of astronomical alignment.
		So what happened was archaeologists did come back, did come here in the 90s, I think, and it didn't look like corral.
		They weren't going to be able to restore it.
		So they just kept it as a, you know, to find dating on these things.
		And it's from the same culture.
		It's just a couple valleys over.
unidentified		Hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any footage of the monoliths?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		It'll come up if you fast forward through it.
		It's going to be back closer to where, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Elephant stone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We walk up to it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So some sort of a stone circle of monoliths.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I put it through AI.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a very small monolith, though, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, some of them have been buried and removed.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So someone's got them in their fucking house somewhere.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, yeah.
unidentified		Ugh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How much of that is a problem with archaeology?
		I know that that was a giant issue with Egyptian artifacts.
		A lot of wealthy people in other countries would just get it imported to their den and have a big fancy party.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It still happens.
		I will have to say that the and I mean, I've seen it with my own eyes, looting and stuff.
		I've never come across somebody in the field doing that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's terrifying, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It would be freaky.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they'll kill you.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you're out in the middle of nowhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And if they get caught, they're in deep shit, so they would want to get rid of you.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, I know for a fact the way some of these get out of the country is some of these juaqueros have people on the inside who write them certificates and things like that that say, it's a, it's an authentic piece that has been owned by the family for this long, so they can get it out of the country to whoever they're selling it to that.
		That's how it works um, what's a bigger problem though recently, after talking to several archaeologists and Witnessing it myself, is agriculture, agriculture.
		They actually went to I went to a couple sites that I found this by mistake looking on Google Earth.
		So I would find a site and I would like roll the satellite date back because sometimes different seasons give you better imagery.
		I'm like, holy hell.
		What exists now is a quarter of what existed 10 years ago.
		And now all you see is like plantations planted.
		I mean, they have literally paved over the archaeological site to plant, dude.
		And that is, it's become one of the bigger missions of the channel and eventuality because, dude, you don't know.
		This site could have aligned with that site, could have aligned with you have no idea.
		And there's no documentation of it.
		There's no documentation because nobody's going out there.
		These places are far away, you know.
		But here, here's another peculiar thing.
		This last expedition, so I found one of these sites and I'm on camera and I'm ready to go in like guns ablaze and like, how dare you do this?
		How dare you erase this?
		And I get there and I mean, it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls, and it's just this woman on her farm.
		And so I start talking to her.
		This wasn't corporate.
		This woman has in fact, did in fact write to the Ministry of Culture to say, hey, I'm expanding my farm.
		They didn't get back to her.
		So she did it.
		She, you know, paved over or created plots on half the archaeological site.
		So it becomes a, I don't know, I don't know what the right solution is because I feel for this woman.
		She's actually, she's not, this isn't corporate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's just surviving.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		She's just surviving.
		The corporate stuff like pisses me off and I'll go hard on them.
		And I do in some of my videos.
		But she, and she tried to do the right thing by reaching out to the Ministry of Culture.
		But what's she supposed to do?
		Wait 10 years to get a response?
		You know, and so, and then I don't know how you empower these people because from where I sit is at least if you could document it, then you'd have a record of it.
		You know, that's that's what I'm trying to do when I go out there, create 3D models and put it, put pins on a map or something like that.
		You know, so it's a tricky situation to try to figure out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the most compelling site in Peru for you?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to show you this.
		If you look in my video footage, Puru Lin Pyramids, P-U-R-U-L-E-N.
		This site, I think it is much more deserving of future study.
		It's a site that has 16 platform pyramids.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what does this site date to?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So when I do, half my role here is like, I'll go out and find these places.
		And then on the back end, when I make these videos, I go hard on the research.
		Like, I spend two pyramids, Puru Lin.
unidentified		Oh, I got it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's just so you can have a sense of scale.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thank God for drones, huh?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		100%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that's a platform.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that is the remains?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So right back, if you look back on the horizon, that's the coast.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So this is right on the ocean, which means this has been inundated for millennia by tsunamis.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That looks like it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It really does, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it looks like it's completely washed over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at all the sand has formed.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And it's so, I kept that in there.
		That's the wind.
		The wind is so like, I messed up my first drone flying it here.
		But check this out.
		I keep this in so you could just.
		There's another one.
unidentified		Whoa.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it gets better, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That seems like a riverbed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It completely seems like water's washed right over this whole area.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet if you look at it from far above, it's even more evident.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And they're all the same, they all have the same shape.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what's the conventional explanation for this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There was one study done on this, and it was a brief survey in 1970.
		And this guy.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, that's it.
		However, the archaeologist who did that survey, there's another one there.
		The archaeologist who did this survey has been quoted in the past 30 years saying he always wanted to come back here and do more research.
		He just never did.
		It's not an easy place to get to.
		But what they dated it at is even in that report, that 1970 survey, he's saying 1800 BCE, but likely old.
		Look at that.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Here's something unique.
		If you pause it real quick.
		All right.
		So I looked on Google Earth and those toward the top center, you see those two block-looking things.
		All right.
		So I was like, I thought they were megalithic.
		They're not.
		All of these.
		All of these pyramids are carved out of the bedrock.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Are carved out of the bedrock.
		And the only place that there were looting pits are behind those two stones at the top.
		In that little alcove of the mountains, that was the only place.
		So I went there and there's bones there.
		So that's where people were buried.
		And I'm like, why are they burying people here?
		And I stand right in the middle and it's facing 89 degree, almost perfect east-west, that little gap.
		So like that, that's where they were burying their elite people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So where the sun would rise in the summer solstice.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, how old is this site supposed to be?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So they said in that report, he says 1800.
		They found one piece of pottery that's documented.
		They found one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is from a 1970 study.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so they're saying 1800 BCE, because that's right around when pottery started.
		But in that report, he says it's likely older as well.
		He thinks it's older.
		It needs more study.
		But that was it.
		That was the only thing that was put out there.
		I mean, this is 16 pyramids here.
		And if you look in my drone footage, you'll see it looks like there's another thing here, another thing there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's in the neighborhood of 4,000 years old, but possibly older.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And I think it is, I would stake everything on it being found to be much older.
		Pre-ceramic, pre-pottery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The pre-ceramic thing is nuts.
unidentified		All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So like, here's the thing.
		What are they using for utensils?
		What are they using for plates?
		Like, what are they using to put their food on?
		And then if it is pre-ceramic, what kind of tools did they have?
		And how are they carving?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		How are they building these?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This out of the bedrock.
		I mean, imagine the amount of effort it would take for a human being banging a rock against another rock to try to do that and then to make it flat.
		Are these things level?
		Have they.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is the only modern.
		Most of my footage is the only modern media in existence of some of these sites.
		That's crazy.
unidentified		That's you.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Of that site.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if you didn't exist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if you weren't exposed to that as a 10-year-old.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that's...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is just going to sit there for like another thousand years before somebody else figures it out?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Or it gets paved over.
unidentified		God.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm doing it, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God, that's so weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But how weird is that?
unidentified		How weird is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just you.
Only Modern Media Exists 00:14:19
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Raul, what kind of fucking weight on your shoulders is there?
		This one fascinating site.
		You're the only guy that's got video of this?
		Modern video?
		That's crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting kind of choked up about it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		mean it's um it's a lot of work you know and and it's just it's something in me that i've well it's it's obviously very compelling to everyone that really pays attention to is this the that's when you look on the the satellite oh And again, this is the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is not like they put some rocks in place.
		They carved these things out of the bedrock, and they're fucking huge.
		That's what's so crazy about it.
unidentified		I just, I had to, I mean, getting there was like, what are we looking at, man?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's the thing.
		Like, what are we looking at?
		And why in Peru?
		And what happened to this area where they had so much sophisticated, complex construction that was absolutely abandoned, and there's almost nothing left.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So they, over the course of history, what they've found is that, especially, people like to build on the coast, and there's just up and down the coast of Peru.
		There's so much.
		Sure.
		But then a major massive El Niño would happen and that just floods everything.
		And so people are like, well, we got to go up into the mountains.
		So they start going further into the valleys.
		Peru is so unique.
		You have the coast, and then the Andes just start.
		You know, they just start going up until you get to, you know, the before you start getting into the Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes.
		And so for several hundred years, they would live further up the valley, and then they would come back and repopulate on the coast and build on top of the sites that used to be there.
		And then it would happen again, and they would go back.
		And so there's this whole cycle of, and there's some places where you will find that direct, it's very hard to find megalithic stuff, though, like the stuff you're finding in Cuzco, for example, on the coast.
		You don't really find that.
		You don't really find that type of architecture on the coast.
		You didn't have that building material.
		You didn't have stones like that.
		And so it's my belief that some of these places existed further back than we think.
		Like this place here on the coast, the erosion and the wind and the water that must have affected it.
		I can only, I have footage from what we just saw was drone footage from this year.
		I didn't get much drone footage the year before.
		I could already see how much has been covered in one year, in one year, from having gone there again.
		And it's just imagined over millions of years or thousands of years.
		How crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you had to just take a wild guess with no one holding you to this at all, how old do you think we're talking about here?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think there's.
		I go back pre-Cataclysm, the Youngadryas.
		There's evidence on like Waca Prieta that there was this mound that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom DeLehay and his team excavated, and that academically accepted dates back to 12,500 BCE.
		And so there were people living on the coast at that time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this mound, what does that look like?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's a it looks just like a this is an interesting site.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What am I looking at here?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That mound.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not a natural mound?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, it started off as natural.
		And so what they found was they would use their refuse and so they would put trash on top of the mound and then cap it with like adobe mud so it would become strong.
		It would become a platform.
		And then they would build on top of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's a trash mound?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Part of it.
		How weird.
		That wasn't an uncommon thing back then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's more than 15,000 years old.
		And what is that?
		They have writing from there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		What's that cloth?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's fishing nets.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the oldest pieces of cotton.
		So you ask how they were carrying things and all that with the cotton.
		But the cotton was coming from further inland.
		It wasn't coming from them.
		So even back then, they were.
		So here's the kick.
unidentified		And this is part of the paper I'm thinking I'm writing.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's evidence at that place, Wacaprieta, of a sunken circular plaza.
		And that predates all the ones we saw by even by 2,000 more years.
		I think this is where that tradition started.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think that's where it started far earlier than anybody accepts or knows.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's the weird one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did those people get there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I've thought about this.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, if you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're building these structures 6,000 years ago, 11,000 years ago, 15,000 years ago, when did you get there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		When'd you get there?
		And there's the plaza.
		So, I mean, I don't think it takes much.
		I think if you're living on the coast or, I don't know, by any sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating on it, you're like, huh, all right.
		Well, then a thousand years go by and you have at that point put some pieces of wood together to make a flotation device, you're able to navigate.
		Like, I just, I don't see it not happening, you know, eventually.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially with crazy people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Someone's got the courage to just sail out there and hope you have enough water on you.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Or you're fishing.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Or you're fishing and you get stuck and there's a storm and it's like, whoop.
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And you could never make it back.
		But I think that's happened in multiple places.
		I don't think that civilization is born and created without, A, that sense of exploration, but also that natural ingenuity.
		I mean, storms happen, you see a log floating in the ocean.
		Well, I can use that to go catch more fish.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden you're seafaring.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It just, when you see stuff like this that's that old, that's 15,000 years old, you go, okay, well, this is all that's left from 15,000 years ago.
		What's left from 30,000 years ago?
		Because it's like double that, right?
		Right now, you look at 15, there's almost nothing.
		It's like, God, it's so little.
		But you get it.
		But if you went another 15 before that, are we talking, what is that?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I'm like, with the stuff Biondi is doing with the SAR tech, I'm just hoping that that can be affordable and applied in multiple areas to find things that are buried underground.
		One thing that I've always been curious about why there hasn't been more research until I looked into it.
		All these places were on the coast of Peru.
		Well, sea levels were lower at one point.
		And so.
		What's right off the coast of Peru?
		Right.
		And there haven't been many, if any, studies on that.
		I'm like, why?
		Apparently the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to – this is what I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody studied this?
		Apparently, the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to do research out there where it becomes very expensive for the equipment you need and things like that.
		But I guarantee that you'll find some stuff off the coast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it just makes sense.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially if you find that.
		And especially we know that sea levels were far lower.
		Especially if that really is 15,000 years ago.
		We definitely know that sea levels were lower then.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it wasn't like this.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy too, man, because Tom Dillihay got so much shit from the academic community for his research down in Monte Verde and this site.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is interesting how consistent it is.
		It's still going on today the same way.
		And they're always wrong.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You would think you might want to have an open, just leave some room and the young archaeologists are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a lot of young archaeologists that have grown up with the internet and they're really paying attention to this stuff and they're realizing.
		And also, when you're young and you grow up with the internet, you realize like gatekeepers of information are a real problem and they always have been.
		And they're wrong about so many things.
		I mean, they're wrong about virtually everything.
		The official narrative of almost everything has holes in it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, something you said earlier, too.
		Like this age of study and exploration and radio carbon, it's not that old.
		We've only been doing this type of research for 100 years with some of the new advancements.
		Like you don't think something else is going to come along that might knock that out?
		Right.
		You don't want to leave room for that?
		Right.
		Like, it's kind of dickish.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very dickish.
		But, you know, no need to focus on the dicks.
		But that's why things like Filippo Bionde's work is so devastating to the narrative.
		Because this new technology, and if it shows that it's accurate, and it is accurate on things that we know exist, that's where it gets really crazy.
		Especially when they looked 1.2 kilometers through a mountain to find the particle collider underneath and got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle collider.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		So they know that it's accurate.
		And then, so what are those pillars?
		What are these 20-meter in diameter?
		What are these things?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And why would you not want to divest all the money you can possibly do to figure that out?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it'll happen.
		And I think one of the reasons why it's going to happen is because of the internet, is because just the pressure and the amount of interest.
		And also, think about Egypt, right?
		Egypt, a large portion of their economy is wrapped around the tourism.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because the tourism in Egypt is phenomenal because it's one of the most incredible sites in the world.
		Wouldn't you want it to be even more incredible?
		Like, what's more incredible than some unknown mystery of spectacular proportion?
		Something that goes a kilometer deep under the pyramids and they don't know what it is.
		Like, this is nuts.
		Also, those shafts that go down that are filled with debris now that they can clear out, and it leads to what at least this data shows: tunnels and caverns and all this shit that's underneath there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, what is that?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and I think Ben has done phenomenal work putting it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love that guy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The history and the story and the accounts of being in these labyrinths.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's another guy that got into this because of the internet.
		You know, I mean, he had a real career in tech.
		He was like, okay, I'm going to throw this out to be a YouTuber.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I was, who was I?
		I forget who I was speaking to, but I mean, I, my goal is to document as much as possible before it's not there to document.
		And I mean, it's crazy to be on here.
		My channel is, I still feel like it's in its infancy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was out about it.
		A while, I mean, I want to say four months ago, five months ago, something like that.
		You know, I started seeing some of your stuff online, I think, on X.
		And I started looking at it on YouTube and I was like, yo, this guy's going deep.
		How did you fund all this stuff?
		I mean, how do you have the money to go and do these things?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I went broke the first expedition.
		This was a total field of dreams.
		If you build it, I'll see what happens.
		And fortunately, I mean, people saw the work I had been doing up until that point.
		There were some GoFundMe donations, which was amazing.
		The fact that, I mean, just thank anybody out there, just thank you.
		Like the people who believe in what I'm doing, that's what fills me up the most, too.
		Like the encouragement and the support from people I don't know, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the content you provide, though, is so fascinating.
		And it's so interesting to people like myself and other people that are really interested in it.
		It's just a matter of getting you exposure.
		So the content is so amazing.
		It's just a matter of people have to find out about it.
		And then, I mean, YouTube's a great way.
		The algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll recommend, I'll watch one of your videos and it'll recommend something else interesting, you know, and then it just keeps going on and on and on.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, and so I came back from that first expedition.
		I was there.
		The first expedition was 23 days.
		I had two terabytes of footage.
		And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year and a half until this expedition now.
		And I was out on this last expedition for 42 days all over the country.
		And I mean, the video you were talking about when we first started talking, that is, too, the only, there's no drone footage of that site ever.
		There is one Facebook post with pictures, and that's it.
		And I was like, I have to document this, you know?
		And so much from the last expedition is like that.
		It's the only media that you'll see of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think these pyramids carved into the bedrock that you're the only one that has media that is just absolutely insane.
Single One's Pyramid Mystery 00:11:52
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are we looking at here?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm just digging around the area.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This is a mummy lady cow they found in 2006.
		They call her the, she might have been the first female ruler of the area, the Cleopatra of South America.
		These are pictures of her tattoos.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So actually, what's interesting is it is being, there's a lot of evidence to say that some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal because they're finding a lot of the tombs of these queens right there on the coast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The sorcerer.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this one pyramid in this area called El Brujo, where Huaca Prieta is.
unidentified		Yep.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They found this dope totem.
unidentified		Ooh.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so what's interesting.
		And so I believe this was the moche.
		El Brujo, there are.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		These paintings are on the wall.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a video on that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's cool, too, because you see paint.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you realize that these things were very colorful.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Naked prisoners, and that this is a recreation of what it would have looked like then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are prisoners?
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So the architecture thing I thought was queer, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why are they painting their prisoners?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everything was painted, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This was where people were.
		I mean, why are they making depictions of their prisoners?
		You know what I mean?
		Not that they painted it different colors, which is kind of cool, but it's interesting.
		Like, how old is this supposed to be?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Anywhere from 3,000.
		This was a very interesting part.
		3,000 BC is what they say it goes back to, but they say it wasn't developed until modern day, like 200 to 600 AD, which is a 3,600 years of nothing.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So it was, I believe it was the Moche.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		1990, this one was found, and a Peruvian banker is the guy.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It says it's philanthropically minded, I can say it.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the huacheros are the ones who told him about it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so that's a lot of these places have been found because of Joaqueros being reported.
		All of a sudden, there's an influx in a little village of silver or something like that.
		And then somebody tells the authorities, they figure out where they're going to dig.
		I mean, there's a good book on it.
		It's called The Lord of Cipan, where archaeologists literally had to stand guard.
		The townspeople weren't happy that when the archaeologists got involved and the townspeople were coming to get the gold and coming to get the silver.
		And so there's a whole book about it.
		I don't know why nobody's made a movie on it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense, though, right?
		Because it's life-changing.
		If they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold and silver in the ground, fuck these archaeologists.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, and some of the earliest, a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums, like the Larco Herrera Museum.
		A lot of this stuff, a lot of the pottery is preserved because you had these big plantation owners, these big technocrats, and their workers in the field would constantly be finding this artwork and these wakas.
		And so they were like, you know what, I'll give you $2 every time you bring me one.
		And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum full of this stuff.
		And I was talking to Dr. Ed Barnhart about this.
		There's also so much in Peru that the people finding these things, they aren't.
		Maybe nowadays they're making a lot on stuff, but for the past couple decades, there was just so much.
		You're getting $3 for if you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving this thing up the ladder, you're getting $3 for a little piece of pottery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been doing this for?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what I've been with the channel, two years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Two years, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what were you doing before that?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		A video editor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so you just said, you know what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to just take a leap of faith?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		My contract, I had a contract position and it ended.
		I was posting these things I was finding on Google Earth and I was saying, like, I think this is something.
		This is why.
		I came up with this whole methodology.
		And people were like, you're full of shit.
		And I was like, you know what?
		Let's see.
		And I went and 100% accuracy.
		Every single place I saw on Google Earth that did not have a label was an archaeological site.
		Every single one I went to.
		And that first expedition, I went to 90 in 23 days.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		90.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That was the first expedition.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I was there for 42 days this time.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So, like, I've got five terabytes worth of video footage of things nobody's seen.
unidentified		That's crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But just, I mean, imagine again: what if you didn't do this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's nuts.
		That's what's nuts.
		Like, we would be completely ignorant about this stuff.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It just makes you wonder, like, what was like those stone pyramids carved into the bedrock, the only you have footage of it.
		What was that culture?
		What were they doing?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And all I have to go off of is what this made me happy is like, and I have it on the video if I'm talking to the camera.
		I'm like, I think this, I think that, I think this car.
		And that survey verified every little thing that I, which was like pretty cool because I'm not, you know, academically trained to, you know, analyze these things, but I have the experience.
		And so it was kind of neat that every bullet point was verified by that survey.
		The feeling I got going to that place, that place in particular, I don't think they're going to find pottery there.
		I don't think they're going to, I think it was pre-ceramic, but I also think there weren't houses.
		There weren't, there might be, you know, if you go digging or do some LIDAR.
		I think it was a place of pilgrimage.
		That's just my personal, I have nothing to back that up.
		That's what I felt, though, kind of pilgrimage.
		Like when I was walking there, I don't know, man, Peru is weird.
		The energy in Peru is different.
		And I want to say spiritual because I don't have a different word for it.
		It's just you're just in tune with something.
		I mean, maybe it's just the nature.
		But I mean, I feel different down there.
		And especially going in these far-out places.
		And when you get to some of these sites, you feel a little different.
		And so just kind of the intuitive impression I got was, I wonder if people were coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because there aren't houses there.
		There's no evidence of people living there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But is that because of time?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's very, it's very possible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem when you're seeing something that's the amount of work that would take to carve something out of bedrock, like those pyramids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how many of those pyramids did you find?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There are like 16 of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		16.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		They're huge.
unidentified		Huge.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're carved out of the ground, out of rock, with what?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Here's the interesting thing.
		In that survey, I didn't know this, and I tried to pinpoint the location.
		That main pyramid I was on, there's a black and white photo from 1970 where they found a carved-out room in that pyramid structure.
		In that main pyramid, there's a and it looks like a room.
		It's been human carved out.
		So there's chambers in some of these things.
		Why aren't we studying it?
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Why haven't we gone back?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, how?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are you using to cut?
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what kind of tools do you have?
		6,000 years?
		Like, what tools were available?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And it's so close to the ocean.
		You might not ever know because a tsunami comes in.
		It's taken it right back out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And if it's metal, it's gone anyway.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's gone.
		Same with, same with, I think also, like, I think that little alcove where all the burials were, I think that got preserved because it was behind this mountain.
		I think if there was any civilization there prior that might have been living there, all the bones that were there on, they're gone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		They got taken back out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		And probably all the structures, any houses, if they had wooden houses or on top of the land, you know.
		Yeah, gone.
		Nothing left.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so all you're left is with this strong.
		Who knows if those things were bigger, too?
		Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who knows what was on top of those things, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's nuts, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The thing that gave it away on that site in particular is when you look aerially, every single one of those pyramid structures is facing northeast, every single one.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And that's for the sunrise on the solstice.
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, this is man-made.
		This is man-made.
		And there's still people on the comments who are like, oh, that's just a mountain.
		And I'm like, dude, what more do you want?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They think that those things were just, they don't think those things are man-made?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're the same shape.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The same shape, the same size.
		They're all pointing in the same direction.
		Shut the fuck up.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've learned not to fight and just like, you know, you're going to believe what you want anyway.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the history.
		I mean, Graham Hancock has the greatest phrase that we are a species with amnesia.
		And I think it's true.
		And I think it all points back to not just the Younger Drys impact, but probably several other impacts.
		You know, my friend John Reeves, he lives in Alaska and he runs the Boneyard.
		Yeah, yeah.
		John just sent me some photos of a new site that they have that's under all these other sites, like deep under all these other sites, where they're finding not just bone, but charred bone, like an entire area of like burnt tusks, burnt bones covered.
		And he thinks there was another impact.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		An impact.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, just, I mean, he's just making a rough estimation because some of the sites that he found, it's somewhere around 10,000 years ago due to like, you know, doing the examination of the cores.
		And he thinks it's 20,000 years ago.
		So he thinks this is probably a normal thing that has happened all throughout the history of the earth as the earth gets pelted, you know, every 10,000, every 20,000, whatever.
unidentified		And these get hit.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And that speaks to the myths and the legends and the dryas and the yugas.
		And I mean, every civilization has its version of, you know, this is the fifth epoch or the fourth epoch.
		You know, this is the first one was fire.
		The last one was, you know, water.
		There's always several cataclysms.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The yuga stuff is nuts too because it just seems like it's so accurate.
		And we are in Kali Yuga right now, which is the age of deception.
		And like, what's more confusing?
		That's what it's called, right?
		Isn't it called the Age of Deception?
		Find out what caused.
		So what's more like if you thought that it was all falling apart before it gets rebuilt, it's like that's now.
		Like this place is fucking crazy.
		Every day the news is nuts.
Social Media Attacks Escalate 00:03:43
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've gone on a social media hiatus over the last few days and I feel so good.
		And I decided two days ago I'm not going back.
		I'm like, I'm not going back.
		I'll go back to post things.
		I'm never reading it anymore.
		I'll find my news.
		People send me enough stuff as it is.
		My friends send me things.
		I don't have to click on them, but I know what's going on.
		Like what craziness is happening.
		You just feel better when you don't do it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've been sucked into the Nazca Mummies thing sucked me into the back and forth on X.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And it's so toxic, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So toxic.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		toxic and and it's like at the end of the day people are going people look you can have all the evidence saying this one thing and everybody agrees You're going to have this group that is like, well, no, for this reason.
		And then, and it's the same thing on the other side, too.
		And so it's just this, this, social media is this, what I'm seeing is just this weird loop of confirmation bias and bitchiness and anger and arguments and infighting and attacks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I just think that it's altering the collective psychological foundation of our society.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's what's weird.
		And that's what makes sense when you see like crazy protests and crazy people online.
		It's like everyone's getting, there's something that's happening to them.
		Well, what's this one thing that exists with everybody?
		It's social media use.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And I think, I don't know, it's hard.
		I tried to stay away and then I found myself like last week after I made like these videos just for the social media sphere as an example.
		Like I was getting pulled into it.
		I felt myself as somebody who has not engaged that much.
		I was like, something has shifted, you know, and like I was ready to get defensive and take things personally.
		And I'm like, this is an attack back.
		And attack back.
		And I was like, this is just continuing the cycle.
		And I don't want that.
		I don't want that in my life.
		I don't need any of that.
		So I just stopped, you know, and but the level of defensiveness, the level of attacks, the level of, and it's not even, at some points, it's not even just taking things personally.
		The attacks are personal sometimes.
		It's like, what are you supposed to do other than not engage?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't engage.
		I say post and ghost.
		That's my strategy.
		I like it.
		That's my strategy.
		And then even then, I'm telling people to stay off of it so they're not even going to read my stuff.
		Like they're listening to me, but that's okay.
		It's okay.
		It's like you find out enough.
		You find out about the important things and find out about shows that you enjoy and then you subscribe.
		And then when new episodes come out, you're like, ooh, you know?
		And so that's what I've been doing.
		And it's a much healthier way.
		Like the one thing that doesn't, and Jelly Roll was telling me this.
		Like, he got off also, he had no phone for like 18 months.
		No phone at all.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was crazy.
		Like I contact him through his guy that was running his social media.
		And I was like, tell Jelly I love him.
		Tell him I said what's up.
		And then recently he got a phone like over the last few months and only uses YouTube.
		He's like, my YouTube, he goes, I learn things.
		I get interested in things.
		And that's how I feel too.
		Like, I really enjoy YouTube.
		There's so much interesting content on YouTube about everything.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean it's just like – We're living in – I mean this is an incredible age where – I mean I feel fortunate for what I'm doing that there's an audience for it.
Whale Poop and Ice Age Mysteries 00:13:05
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And there's a platform that can allow that to have some reach because some stuff deserves the reach.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you're doing is very important.
		It's very important.
		Just the fact that you are the first guy to get media of those structures, that's crazy, man.
		I mean, it's really kind of crazy.
		You're a video editor.
		Two years ago, you decided to do this.
		You're the first guy who's documenting these things.
		And then we're showing millions of people right now.
		Kind of nuts.
		Like, how few people know that there was some kind of a complex society that understood the equinoxes, pointing their structure toward it, and not just building them with mud and bricks, but carving it out of the bedrock in a similar shape over and over and over again.
		And that's just what you found.
		Like, imagine how much hasn't been found.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you just look at the aerial stuff.
		I mean, Joe, I can't, that's just the tip of the iceberg, man.
		Like of the content that I mean, I'm going to places in the middle of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out at this one little section, and then I put the drone in the air and you can see the outline of this whole structure, just a little bump in the sand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And no one even knows it's there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No one even knows it's there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What happened to all those people?
unidentified		That's what's nuts.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's the, like, when I say cradle of civilization, I mean, this was, I don't know, whatever's bigger than a cradle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what makes sense, right?
		Because if you think about the ice age, and if all this stuff is pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age, that area is not covered in ice.
		And it's one of the few areas around the equator that's not fucked up.
		And it's one of the few areas where people can thrive.
		So it really makes sense that that would be the area where civilization would not just thrive, but reach very high levels of sophistication where they're able to carve into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's interesting evidence that I forget, I was watching, it was on like Discovery or Nagio or something, but there's evidence in the Okukahe desert.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're finding another dark trafficking, illegal trafficking web is like the sale of fossils because they're finding whales in the Okukahe desert.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That brings me to, I was waiting to find a good point for this.
		They found that they were using whale vertebrae as stools.
		So they found this giant.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I want those for my bar.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's awesome.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		In 2023, they found what could be dubbed the most heaviest or the heaviest animal ever.
unidentified		Whoa.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've been in touch with that guy's nephew.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Colossal blue whale found outside of Peru.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Each vertebrae weighs 220 pounds.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole thing with the ones they found, 200 tons.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And so, like, as you were just saying, if they're not buried under tons of ice, then these people could, in theory, have found, you know, lots of these giant in the desert.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Something else I'm stumbling across.
		I didn't get into it.
		Blue whale poop.
		This apparently got something interesting to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the deal with blue whale poop?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So I didn't really get into it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you go on these deep dives in the middle of a podcast?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, you're a fucking wizard, dude.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		You start seeing stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Doing a poop.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Neon green.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm just imagining these giant 200-ton poops.
		poops and then what you could, I don't know.
		It's red.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are these people doing with poop?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They also think that they could have been eating in a different way.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They're just sweeping up shrimp and shit from the ocean.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm just like picturing what this looked like, you know, in the year zero, where there's a bunch of giant whale bones all over the coast.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And who knows what other octopus or whatever the fuck else is.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And what happens to that poop when it fossilizes, you know?
		But no, they're finding that they're, I mean, there is a dark web of trafficking for looking for stuff in the Okukahe desert where they're, where all these prehistoric animal bones are.
		They found dinosaurs and stuff there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And again, is it just wealthy people that want it for their homes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it is?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This stuff I've seen, it's, I mean, really, that guy and a few other people just kind of going out there illegally looking for stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it has to be valuable for them to be willing to do this, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So who's buying it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Wealthy oligarchs.
unidentified		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where are these five people?
		I never met one of them that has some stuff like that.
		I want to go over someone's house.
		Like, hey, you want to see some shit?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		We got a whole museum right there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's probably how you wind up on a list.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, that's there's still so much out there.
		And I mean, if I just like some of the structures I was talking about, like you literally see a whole adobe wall.
		You see a whole temple complex.
		See the remnants of a circular plaza.
		I mean, there's another if you go to the undocumented temple on this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented.
		No Ministry of Culture sign.
		It's not on the Ministry of Culture's database of archaeological sites.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you find it?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Using Google Earth.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so here's the thing.
		All right.
		So circling back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the sunken plazas way down here.
		We have this.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'll suppose it go ahead.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So that, well, that's that's what I saw on Google Earth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead, continue what you're just saying.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So you have the corral supe culture down here, and then you have the they found that sunken plaza underneath archaeological sites in chasm way up here.
		So you have these two different, and they're saying they were separate cultures.
		I think they were the same.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How far apart are they?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		200 kilometers or miles, I forget.
		So what I was like, I was like, well, is there a connection between these two?
		So I looked in the valleys in between, and I found this with a sunken temple with a sunken circular plaza.
		So you have them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Found it on Google Earth.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then I went and I needed help from one of the guys in the field to point.
		And a lot of the people in these Pueblos, like, they'll note every now and then you'll get lucky and someone knows the history every now and then.
		More often than not, it's, yeah, there's some ruins right over there.
		And that's it.
		That's the extent.
		That's the extent of their knowledge.
		And so that was one of these occasions where the guy was like, if you just go this way and that way.
		And because I was looking for it.
		I had a pin on my map, but I was getting lost.
		So I go and I find this place, and lo and behold, it's a sunken circular plaza, temple structure.
		I go up on top.
		There's pottery there.
		You can see where the Juaqueros have dug things out.
		There's walls, and it's just unexcavated.
		Nobody surveyed it.
		There's no documentation of it.
		It's just there.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So that's what I saw.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is what you saw on Google Earth.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so you're just looking in between these two areas.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and it's also facing north-northeast, too.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That also told me that it was probably something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you see this that you find on Google Earth?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's right next to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you went.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And then I went.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You rented a car?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How the fuck are you doing this?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What happens?
		You bring these cards back.
		They're like, where do you get it?
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I have some pictures of driving out in the desert, bed.
unidentified		Like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this guy's helping you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is this a guy a local?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was just working in the field there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so these are the fields.
		And he tells you where this stuff is.
		So all the locals know where this stuff is.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And then pretty soon I start walking up to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this is completely undocumented.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And you can see the plaza there.
		It's all rubble.
		So something happened.
		Some earthquake or so.
		I'm walking up to the top of it.
		And then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So right now it just looks like rubble.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't even look like it was a building.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		From the ground, at least.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And so many places, I'm like standing right in the middle of the, right in the middle of a site.
		I don't even know until I put the drone in the air.
		I think it's coming up here.
		You'll see a should come up here shortly.
		There you go.
unidentified		Okay.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So underneath all of that is rooms.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you see the bricks.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		A piece of pottery, some of the walker's took out.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But that was evidence to me that so underneath this whole thing are walls and chambers and rooms.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you just found this on Google Earth.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And it's the same style as that corral soup culture, the early one from 3,000 to 4,000 years ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just so hard to believe that this is unexplored.
		And not just that, undocumented.
		And that you just find it on Google.
		Thank God for, shout out to Google Earth.
		You know, Google Earth deserves some props.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, seriously, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who would have ever thought?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		People asked if I used advanced satellite stuff, and I've only used Google Earth so far.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, some sort of a civilization was there that just got obliterated.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So this was weird.
		I don't know.
		It was just a cactus in the middle of it all.
		It was very strange.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's tough.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I still don't know what to make of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They can grow anywhere.
		That's what's weird about it.
		But it is weird.
		There's only one.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in the middle of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But so there's pottery there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering if it was the sand, there was one more cactus directly aligned with it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are there San Pedro cactus down there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these people were probably doing something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Something with the old psychedelic cactus.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've got a place to show you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because San Pedro cactus is where you get mescaline, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense that if they have these temples and they have, if there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort of a psychedelic ritual involved.
		Look at this, man.
		What does it feel like to just find something that no one even knew existed like this?
		It's got to be a trip.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, thank God I was right.
		They spent 14 hours getting to this place.
		Thank God there was something.
		But there have been times, too, where I'll get there and Google Earth hasn't updated itself and there's a plantation planted over some of it, you know, and it's like people like what used to be here.
		If there's people around.
		I mean, sometimes.
		Like I said, it's you can tell, you can kind of tell when it's corporate.
		The infrastructure in the area is different.
		But that's the other thing.
		There's nobody monitoring this.
		And I was like, what's the solution?
		Do you pay somebody to call the Ministry of Culture when somebody's coming in with bulldozers leveling things?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what would they even do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably the people with the bulldozers just pay them off.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Either pay them off or, dude, at that corral site, Ruth Shady, she was shot by land traffickers.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The archaeologist responsible for discovering land traffickers were trying to take over the site, and she was shot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was killed?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		She wasn't killed.
		She was shot.
		And, I mean, she's as recent as a few years ago is like, we're still not getting protections from them.
		They sent us one security guard to patrol the perimeter.
		These land traffickers, man, like, and it's for agriculture.
		It's for agriculture.
		It's not for looting.
		Looting is a happy byproduct for them.
		It's for the agriculture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Squatters issue death threats to archaeologists discovered oldest city in Americas.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The oldest city in the Americas, and you're getting one rent-a-cop?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		They called the site's lawyers and said that if he continued to protect me, they would kill him along with me and bury us five meters below the ground.
		And she's 73.
		They killed our dog as a warning.
		Oh, God.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		They actually, when I think it was, there was, because when they excavate, they do it in seasons and stuff.
		And there was one season where like land traffickers had started building on part of the site and in the off season from digging.
		So they had to deal with all of that.
Ancient City Secrets 00:02:02
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's like the Wild West, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Any other sites to show us that are completely.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, dude, there's.
unidentified		I know.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		If you look at Chaveen, C-H-A, it's on the just on the media hard drive.
		So we're talking about underground structures and hallucinogens and stuff like that.
		This place, Chavez.
		No, this is a known archaeological site.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how old is this place?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think 2000, right around zero.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look how far down it goes.
		How deep does it go?
		This is nuts.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And this is just one part of it.
unidentified		Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this is 2,000 years old, at least.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		At least.
		So they won't let you film in the other section.
		It kind of looks like this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why won't they let you film there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Because there's something called the Lanzon monolith.
		And if you look that up, Jamie, L-A-N-Z-O-N monolith.
		So that's it.
		So they won't let you film in there because too many people go in there and take pictures, and the flash supposedly, so they just, yeah, the flash.
		Dude, but when I went in there, the security guard was right behind me the whole time.
		He knew I was going to try to take a picture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you could take a picture with no flash now, especially with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could take some really high-resolution photos.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The guard said not enough people know how to turn it off on their phone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh boy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So, but when you walk in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The flash is fucking it up.
		That seems crazy.
		That seems like voodoo.
		Doesn't it?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It could do it to paint and stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, there's no paint on that fucking auto.
unidentified		That's crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And it's behind a piece of plexiglass, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like they're just control freaks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, fuck off, dude.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'd make a reason for sure just to tell people.
Fanged Deity Behind Glass 00:02:32
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But so there's a whole thing about this place.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You saw how deep we went underground.
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's in a comparable place with these hallways.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And Joe, completely stone-cold sober.
unidentified		That's what it looks like.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		As soon as I walked in underground, something hits you.
		It's the air is different.
		Dude, I don't know how to describe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how'd you feel?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Lighter and a little messed up in the head, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's a lack of oxygen?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it seems like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably limited oxygen because you get these caverns and a hole to the top.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, honestly, I wonder if it's built on some sort of, I don't know, like the Greek sacred energy or Delphi with the gases or something like that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting gassed in there?
unidentified		All I know is that when you go in, show me that totem again, that monolith?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		What they found is they found evidence of rituals happening there, like plates with hallucinogenic plants or substances.
		So people were going down there to do these rituals.
		And dude, this space, I mean, if you're going to go on a trip, that's the place to do it.
unidentified		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's, it's just, you're in the enclosed space.
		The acoustics are so weird.
		It's trippy, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is that image on that thing?
unidentified		It's a jaguar?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's a whole bunch of imagery here.
		That's like the fanged.
		So for a while they thought they thought this culture, the Chavez culture, was responsible for the onset of religion in Peru.
		They called it the mother culture for decades.
		And you see this fanged deity.
		Dr. Barnhart talks about it a lot, this jaguar-looking deity.
		They thought it came from there.
		But there's actually places that I went to where you see it on the coast for older.
		So it actually kind of flips that whole – it's not the mother culture.
		But their influence and their reach was extreme throughout the Andean world.
		So they were responsible for that's when like religion took and iconography got a major influx right after Chavez culture.
		They had it before, but not like this.
		So that's what's on that statue.
Residues And Melted Stones 00:05:01
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's just so ridiculous.
		They won't let you take a picture because of the flash.
		That's so good.
		Somebody said talk to them and go, hey man, shut the fuck up.
		That flash doesn't do anything.
		Devotees would be led into the maze of pitch black tunnels, eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.
		The worshippers' disorientation, in addition to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro cactus, they were given before entering, only heightened the visual and psychological impact of the sculpture.
unidentified		Wow.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God, people are weird.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They must have had it lit up with fire or something fucking sweet.
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it was just going in there stone cold sober and feeling affected.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I can only imagine what it was like being on San Pedro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that the weirdest place that you've been to in Peru?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Soxa Waman seems to me to be the most bizarre because just the size of the stones.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, how?
unidentified		How?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how?
		What are you guys doing?
		How'd you do this?
		How'd you figure out to make them interlocking in a way that if there's a seismic impact, they stay put?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		How?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How'd you get them there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		How do they look like marshmallows?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why are they like, looks like they're melted?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I've gone on some deep dives.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's funny on that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look at that.
		Fuck, man.
		The big ones on the bottom, like, how?
		And it's the style of them, too, which is so different.
		Where, as you said, it looks like marshmallows.
		They're melted into place almost.
		Like, look at that one big one in the center.
		What the hell is that?
		How big is that?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I forget, but they go up to 200 tons, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be bigger than 200 tons.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look how small those people are, and those people in the foreground.
		Get those people right up next to that thing?
		They'd be tiny.
		Well, maybe it is 200.
		I don't know.
		But either way, that one up there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You know, how rounded these things are.
		And you can't get a piece of paper.
		The only way they've been dislodged is because of earthquakes.
		I mean, like, it's.
unidentified		Bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at the size of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And look at the way they interlock.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You can tell when you get up close, there is this reddish residue.
		Oh, we can.
		There's so much.
		You can see there's often reddish residue.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they were painted at one point in time?
unidentified		No.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think it was in the Spanish.
		The indigenous people will tell you that, and actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his journals too, like this bird that would take a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock.
		And after a little bit of time, it would create a hole in the rock.
		Like it would help kind of melt the stone.
		Actually, the guy from the video that unregistered megalithic site told me the same story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Specific type of plant that has like an acid to it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		An acid.
		And I've started to.
		I like Dr. Barnhart's theory.
		And there's also a paper on it, a peer-reviewed paper by Helmut Tribuch, where he talks about, look, if you mix pyrite from the offshoot of one of these Inkin mines with this plantish material, you can create like an acid that will slightly deform the stone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So maybe you would set the stones in place that way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Secrets of softened stone, the lost techniques of the Ink from Facebook, so you know it's true.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, but George Lira was.
		I did a whole, some of my early videos, man, are like research papers.
		Like I went, I went on a deep dive with all this.
		And the Spanish chroniclers talk about seeing gold in between some of the stones.
		But this guy also, Helmut Tribuch, who wrote the paper, says, what if it wasn't gold?
		What if it was pyrite fusing the stones, helping to fuse the stones together with this paste?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look what it says there.
		It says, the technique to carve and shape the stones remains a mystery.
		According to legends, the gods would have gifted the Incas two magical plants, coke, so coca leaves, which allowed them to withstand pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant that allowed them to soften stones.
		Softened stones.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		But you see that red residue.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That also makes sense.
		They did so much work.
		They're all coked up.
unidentified		making these dope pyramids when I was a kid this was the picture I clicked on but that didn't pop up Oh, that can't be real.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, that's I've seen that.
		That's an artistic creation.
		If you pull up, let's do you want to stay on Cuzco or go to one other place?
Tunnels Of The Andes 00:05:05
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's up to you, dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whatever you want to do.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to Tunnels, Cuzco.
		Dude, this whole part of the Andes.
		Yeah, it's there's tunnels everywhere, man.
		Like, it's not just what they're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you're climbing down into this tunnel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, is this a naturally formed tunnel?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Some of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some of it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		On the way out, you'll see when I going in, there's steps.
		Those were actual steps that were built.
		But these things, dude, you can't get to the end.
		You can't find people.
		There are stories where kids get lost in these things and never found.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So again, these look like natural caves.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Right.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Some of them have been carved out, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's a combination.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's a combination.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So probably there was some natural caves and then they started carving things out.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole thing about it was...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This gets weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is the steps.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, coming up on the right.
		I mean, it just keeps going on.
		Oh, I'm not going in there.
		There's the steps.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, can you imagine you and me outside the door going, uh-uh?
		I'll go first.
		I'll follow you.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Tell my catch what guide was, man.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		He was just filming me.
unidentified		Fuck you, bro.
unidentified		I'm not going in there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I'll go in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's probably demons in there.
		That's like that movie.
		What was that movie?
		The Descent?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		The Descent, dude.
unidentified		Yeah, that's like the great.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I love that.
		That movie is great.
		I watched it a while ago.
		I was like, 2005?
		That's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's an old movie.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They did a descent, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not as good.
unidentified		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is a picture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's not the best, but this descent one was awesome.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		One of the best horror flicks I've seen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And there's another one, huh?
		Oh, fuck that hole.
		Did you go in there?
		Please tell me how they go there.
unidentified		Oh, John.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Of course I did, Joe.
unidentified		Of course I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		With your Pillars of the Past shirt on.
		Oh, my God, dude.
		I don't even think I would fit in that hole.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I got a little scared because coming out wasn't easy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was just reading about this guy who died in one of those holes.
		A guy was a cave crawler and he got stuck trying to get out.
		He got in head first and then could not get out.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And just was just stuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Died there.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
		Like that?
		Like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He didn't even scream because his chest was compressed.
unidentified		Oh, God.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, there's some stuff I've done I'm not going to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've got a hole like this, you know, and just couldn't, there's no way to get back out.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's terrifying.
unidentified		Ooh.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's terrifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know how that never happens?
		You don't go in there.
		You don't go in there.
		You never dive in a cave.
		You never dive in a cave.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I'll take that into consideration, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right, before we wrap this up, anything else you want to show us?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more site.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Chisniri, the C-H-I-S.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		There's four videos.
		Let's just do the drone footage and then Inside Tombs.
		So this place, I had no idea places like this.
		It's just me and my guide.
		Dude, the people I met on this, just by happenstance, he's the president of the community there, the little Compesino, and took 12 hours out of his day to walk me through this place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's another build it and they will come thing, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just go out there and you'll find the right people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or they kill your dog.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So this is this, like, I. Ooh, the paint still on it.
		It's actually not paint.
		It's mud.
		It's different colored mud.
		That's what he said.
		So now we're going to go – now in that next video, we're going to walk up to them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, skulls.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The sky people?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, the Chachapoyas, the Chachapoyas were much further north.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You see that skulled skull?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		You see that skull, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is in the Cusco region.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck, dude?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Damn it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why are all these dead people in that hole?
		Whoa.
		What's going on in there?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		These were where they would bury their deceased.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did they just chuck them in a hole?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they weren't like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is all just...
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is looting.
		This is all looting.
		That road.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking skulls are everywhere.
unidentified		This is crazy.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was like a horror movie.
		This is like the beginning of a horror movie before it gets dark out there.
		Right?
		The guys, these archaeologists, it's probably you.
		You're out there in the movie.
		You bring a girl with you.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Have to leave this place before the sun goes down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A hundred thousand percent.
		Bro, you're going to hear voices.
		You're going to hear dead languages yelling.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No camping in the no camping in the valley.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to be a gangster to fucking take a nap in there.
Fun at the Archaeological Site 00:06:42
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Ghost hunters should definitely go there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I'll get Sam and Colby to go down there.
		I bet they won't do it.
		That's real ghost.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		This is all from looting.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they just dug these people up, stole whatever.
		Yeah, that's a spine.
		Yeah.
		Fuck, man.
		God, there's so many bones.
		Crazy nuts.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's nuts.
		Well, Raul, I'm happy.
		I'm so happy that you made that decision a couple years ago to just follow this passion.
		And the content that you put out is really incredible.
		And the fact that you've been able to find these sites that are heretofore undocumented, it's really amazing, man.
		It's amazing.
		I'm happy you're doing it.
		And I really enjoyed having you on.
		And for everybody who wants to watch, it's Pillars of the Past.
		It's on YouTube.
		Do you put videos up on X as well?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I've started putting videos up on X and my website's going to be up and running soon.
		It's going to be a place.
		If you find places and want to put it on a map and if Jamie wants to comment on it, then he can comment on the pin you put.
		I'm trying to build something because people send me stuff all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have some sort of a thriving community of people that are interested in the same thing.
unidentified		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's an interest for this stuff now.
		I really credit Graham Hancock, I think, because he was the real pioneer of this when people just thought he was a loon.
		I remember people would make fun of me for reading his book in the late 90s.
		They'd make fun of me.
		Like, what are you reading this bullshit from?
		Why don't you go to a real history class?
		That's not fun.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is fun.
		This is fun.
		It's fun to think that we don't know what happened, but that something happened.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And Graham puts in the work.
		I mean, just look at the citation section.
		He puts in the work.
unidentified		Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's an amazing human, which is why they have to lie to discredit him.
		But when he put that material out, and then I think the Netflix show really started opening up the gates to people exploring this stuff more and just being fascinated by it.
		And then seeking out content like yours.
		And, you know, we're really fortunate now.
		There's quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube that document this kind of stuff.
		And these are real mysteries.
		There's real mysteries when it comes to human history.
		And to me, it's one of the most fascinating things.
		I agree with you.
		I love it.
		So thank you so much for doing what you do.
		And get out there again and let's come back and do another one of these.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I would be happy to.
		And just a few plugs.
		I'll be speaking because of all this, which is just amazing.
		I still feel like everything's in its infancy.
		So I'm humbled by the opportunities that keep presenting themselves.
		But like the Quest for Ancient Civilizations conference in Sedona, and then it's actually going to be here in Austin, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Two kooky places.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		ACL Live, I think, is an amazing venue.
		That's going to be in October.
		And then I'm doing a tour with Mike Collins from Wandering Wolf in the Yucatan, and with Hugh Newman, we're doing a Let me ask you about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about that sage wall?
		Because he's the guy that goes over the sage wall.
		You think it's a natural formation?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more likely the way I operate is I tend to remain skeptical.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I would like multiple pieces of evidence.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's also similar things nearby that aren't as spectacular that are natural, right?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's something about the geology of the area.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		And I found places like that in Peru as well.
		I mean, I'm waiting for, they've done LIDAR studies of that stuff.
		For me, just to have one wall, I need, I personally need more than just that.
		And I mean, I found some stuff like that in Peru, and I'm very hesitant to say this is megalithic architecture.
		This also needs more study.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For people that are interested, just to let you know, there's a lot of AI images online.
		And when you go to look for the sage wall, sometimes you're confronted with ones like, oh, my God, that for sure is man-made.
		But then it's not a real image.
		Someone's created an image or doctored the image to make it look a little bit more man-made.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I will say, Mike Collins has done a ton of work on it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So if you want to see the original footage, it's on his channel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very, very interesting footage.
		I mean, I go back and forth.
		Depending upon how old it is.
		So that's the thing.
		Like, if you're talking about something that's 30,000 years old, maybe that's all that's left.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I forget he was saying they found that it goes a lot deeper than it or something like that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		So it's like for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which makes it more interesting.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Which makes it more interesting.
		And I'm like, I just, I, I like, keep drag, like, let's see.
		Keep figuring it out.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Texas, too, that I haven't found a good answer for.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard of that.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		200 to 400,000-year-old wall.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think a guy in 1925 claimed that and probably just got people to pay attention and come visit.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But I don't have a good answer that I've come across on what it is or how old it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go to that one below, to the right of your cursor.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Right here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		To the right of it?
		Right there.
		Yeah.
		Look at that.
		Huh.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I will say, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That could be natural formation.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the Earth does a lot of weird things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not convincing to me.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's just interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, can I put it back up again, though?
		But I'm aware of it.
		I'm just like, I'm looking at that extraterrestrial.
		Shut the fuck up.
		Extraterrestrials do a way better job.
		They might have built the pyramids.
		They didn't build this.
		Fuck out of here.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		It was shitty fucking cobblestones.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Got non-union guys came in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll do the job for cheap.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they got their laser beams.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait a minute.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That looks real.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the guy I found when they found it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that looks like a wall.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But it's also, I've seen four versions of this picture, and one's in color.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's so hard nowadays to you got to put in some work to find the truth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is weird.
		But that doesn't look real.
		That looks like it's just the strata.
		Well, but it's not consistent all the way through.
		What the fuck do I know?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Again, I don't even know what we're looking at.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		That's here in Texas, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Maybe we'll go one day.
		Pillars of the past, YouTube, awesome.
		Thank you.
		Really appreciate you.
		It was a lot of fun today.
unidentified		I really enjoyed it.
raul bilecky ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bye, everybody.

Chapters

00:00:01 Ancient Sites and Stolen Funds
00:14:06 Mainstream's Lazy Responses
00:19:00 Calling Into Question
00:35:36 Joints and Spacing Mysteries
00:39:02 Mafia's Money Mystery
00:42:28 Larger Human Skulls
00:57:34 Strings of DNA Evidence
01:13:05 Paved Over Mysteries
01:26:29 Only Modern Media Exists
01:40:49 Single One's Pyramid Mystery
01:52:41 Social Media Attacks Escalate
01:56:25 Whale Poop and Ice Age Mysteries
02:09:31 Ancient City Secrets
02:11:33 Fanged Deity Behind Glass
02:14:06 Residues And Melted Stones
02:19:07 Tunnels Of The Andes
02:24:12 Fun at the Archaeological Site