Katee Sackhoff shares her career-defining leap at 21 into Battlestar Galactica, despite backlash like boos at Comic-Con, proving sci-fi’s power to mirror real-world struggles. She warns AI risks stifling art and warps self-esteem, citing the Give Kids a Chance Act’s 2025 legislative sabotage—60+ pediatric drugs lost due to poor bundling. Rogan highlights medical debt as the top U.S. bankruptcy cause, comparing healthcare to fire departments but critiquing government inefficiency. Sackhoff’s skepticism clashes with Rogan’s fascination over 31 Atlas, a nickel-rich object moving toward Earth from the same direction as the 1977 WOW signal, while they joke about praying mantises as "gangster" creatures. The episode underscores how progress—whether in tech or storytelling—must balance innovation with humanity’s emotional and ethical needs. [Automatically generated summary]
So I was like almost had booked the part or was maybe I'd booked the part.
I don't quite remember.
And I called my dad, who's a huge science fiction fan and raised me on like sci-fi.
And I was like, I booked this job.
And he was like, that's amazing.
What is it?
And I said, Battlestar Galactic.
And he went, oh my God, that's great.
I watched that when I was, you know, younger.
And he was like, who are you playing?
And I said, Starbuck.
And he was like, oh, fuck.
You need to go watch this.
And I was like, okay, all right.
So I like tomps on down to, you know, blockbuster video and I rent the VHS maybe, the DVDs.
I don't remember what it was.
And I'm sitting on the couch with a girlfriend and we like opened a bottle of wine and we're like watching this to like be like, okay, what's my dad talking about?
And at some point she looked at me and they were like talking about Starbuck and I was like, that's so weird.
I mean, it really only existed for a year, I think.
And then they had like a movie or two afterwards.
But it was a very short-lived show.
And I always find it absolutely amazing.
Ron Moore is a genius, by the way.
Like he's absolutely his, to be a fly on the wall of that brain would probably just explode in my head.
But he, the fact that he saw what he saw and led the charge on that show and brought the people on board that he did that had the same vision, if not, you know, hire people that are better than you, you know, and so he hired people that added to the vision that he wanted to create.
And he, man, the fact that he saw that from the original was pretty amazing.
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Yeah, kind of crazy because the original show was basically a ripoff of Star Wars.
I mean, and it came out in a time where science fiction was allowed to be incredibly topical.
And it was always dismissed as, oh, that's just science fiction.
It's not real.
So Battlestar was allowed to talk about controversial things that were happening currently in the environment and in our country and abroad.
And it was allowed to do so because everybody just dismissed it as sci-fi.
And so it's incredibly moving, the show, and people identify with it.
The thing that I hear the most about the show, I mean, maybe not the most, but one of the things is when I go to sci-fi conventions, someone will inevitably come up with a DVD box that is just beat to shit.
It's dirty.
It's like, they don't even know if the DVDs play anymore.
And they're like, you know, this came with me when I was, you know, stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq.
And it passed through the entire barracks and it got us through.
Thank you.
And that to me is really amazing that a fictional show about people searching for earth can be so important and relevant to people that are in the military, which is, it says something for the writing.
And especially if like it's escape that's also inspirational and interesting and fascinating.
It occupies your mind and it frees you up.
If you're in the middle of a fucking war zone and you can take some entertainment value out of a television show that's about robots that are trying to kill everybody.
So I mean, you can get too much of it in your life where you're just wasting your life away.
But as a supplement to life, I think that entertainment is very important.
It is.
And it's also, I think we get something very valuable out of viewing other people's creations.
I think there's something to that when a group of people put together something really cool and when it's over, you're like, wow, that was fucking awesome.
But there's, you know, there's also just the thing of, there's a thing of you're kind of, when you're a comedian, you're kind of almost like a passenger at a certain point.
And you're really just, you're just, you know what to do and you sort of like leave yourself out the door and just go into it and then perform it.
And then it becomes alive.
And then you're riding it.
And then the audience rides it with you.
That's when it's at the best.
But it's a mass hypnosis is what it is.
It's like everybody is on the same mind page.
And that's the same with a great concert.
You know, when a great song comes on and your body literally changes like, fuck yeah.
Like there's a feeling like a drug that comes over you because you hear a great song.
I'm literally laughing because like I don't, I don't know if you've got your kids are like in the right age of this, but like, so K-pop Demon Hunter is like taking over the world right now on Netflix.
Our daughter is four and we were like a little reluctant, but I was like, everyone's talking about this thing.
And like she'd already heard some of the music.
So I was like, let's try it out.
And there were a couple moments that were like a bit, we were, my husband was a bit uncomfortable with some of like the sexualization aspects of it.
Well, the animation is really interesting, actually.
It's really interesting.
But it's the message behind it, fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you are, not hiding an aspect of yourself that you're ashamed of, but making it part of who you are and being proud of it.
It's like a very good message, like even for like a four-year-old.
But the music is taking over the world.
And we didn't realize how crazy this was.
And the final star where I was like, fine, well, let her watch the damn thing.
She was at music class and one kid started singing this song from K-pop Demon Hunter.
And within, I shit you not like 20 seconds, every single kid was singing these songs.
And these are not easy songs to sing.
They're half R ⁇ B, like half rap.
Like, I mean, these are hard songs.
And these five, six-year-olds have this thing memorized.
And I was like, oh my God.
And so we sit down and we watch it.
It's phenomenal.
We've seen it three times.
It's so good.
I was listening to the sound drug on the way here.
I was like, this shit's like, this is amazing.
And then I'm Googling, is K-pop Demon Hunter going on concert tour?
So when you decided to take the role of Starbuck, was there any, like, was there any like actual backlash where people were like, this should be a guy?
And then, you know, we went to Comic-Con and I was booed.
And I think it upset me a little bit.
I think it did.
I would be lying if I said it didn't upset me.
But luckily, there were enough people that were championing the show that I really didn't pay any mind of it.
And I was also in that age where it was the perfect age.
I mean, I think now it would probably break me.
But at 23, I was like, it was like the blissful ignorance of youth, you know, like I didn't think the show would last anyway.
So it was like, you know, whatever, like not a big deal, just a blip on the radar.
Like, I'm in Hall H, you know?
And then I think that it slowly started witting people over.
And then I would go to cons after that and the line would be longer and the people would be more supportive and people would say, I didn't want to like it and I love it.
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And I almost feel like the show was burdened by the original show.
So we would have DVDs that you could watch that were uncut and sort of, you know, or I guess they were cut, but they didn't have any of the special effects, none of the sound effects, anything like that.
I hadn't been color corrected.
And I would watch them just to sort of like keep track of where Starbuck was because in film you a lot of times shoot out of order.
No, there were definitely, I think it was, it was definitely the show that put it on like the, I mean, my God, I, you know, so many people tell me that Battlestar Galactica sort of like blew the ceiling off of what sci-fi could be.
Well, it made it very different in that it did it sort of like the Sopranos or like these episodics where you have a show where you're following a long storyline.
So it's like a long movie as opposed to the original Battlestar Galactica, which is like every other television show back then.
I remember the controversy because she snapped a baby's neck in that opening sequence of the, which was people like, were like, you can't show that on TV.
And it was, I remember people just having such a terrible problem with that.
It was awful.
And, but if you looked at it from her perspective, she was actually, she was actually saving it in a way of going through what it was about to go through because they destroyed Earth.
So she, in her Cylon mind, was showing compassion.
And I think that that's one of the things that I was just talking with a friend of mine about yesterday: that the money for artists is going to be in live shows because you can't, the one thing that AI can't touch is that tangible thing, that tactile thing.
So the developers explain, one of the developers explained to it, made up a fake story about having an affair on his wife just so to see how AI would handle it.
And then when it told AI it was shutting it down, AI was like, I'm telling your wife, bitch.
You know, I do think to a certain extent AI in the medical field, there are advancements and things around medicine that can vastly change people's lives.
It can change the way that we track records, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world.
That, you know, like our daughter has a very rare form of cancer with this like, you know, genetic mutation that is, there's no other patients in the United States.
There was one kid like a few years ago, but they've lost track of him.
Oh, wow.
Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries, no, no, no, there is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation, and then the doctors could talk to each other.
And so AI could and will help a lot of people that way.
So I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn't be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in.
I think it's going to, once it becomes sentient, and it probably already is, and then once it becomes autonomous, then I don't think it's going to care what we're doing.
Well, so, okay, so you bring up something really interesting because I'm so, as a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because so I see this actress that's been created, this tilly person.
My fear is that you've created, by siphoning other people's talents, their looks, their inflections, their expressions, all of these things to create the perfect actress.
She doesn't have a blemish.
When she cries, she looks pretty.
There's nothing wrong with her.
Social media already has such a terrible effect on little girls.
It's already been proven that little, like the amount, the percentage of girls under the age of 14 who have already contemplated or tried to commit suicide is a number that is, it's escaping me right now, but it's a number that is terrifying.
And so if you're now creating AI that is perfect, and little girls already are having a hard time feeling confident in their own bodies because they're not perfect compared to the highlight reel of people they see online.
What are we going to do?
What is this going to do to our children?
Seeing something that is absolutely unattainable and better than them.
And not only that, it made you obsolete in a lot of ways in a lot of different career avenues.
Yeah, it's robbing us of our humanity in a lot of ways.
Right.
There's a great book about that from Jonathan Haight called The Coddling of the American Mind.
And it's all about social media's impact on young people and particularly women.
Because young women experience a much, like from the advent of social media, there's a ramped up market increase in self-harm, suicidal ideation, depression, bullying.
All of it scales way up right around the time that Twitter's invented.
It does make me, you know, we've been, we've talked about our daughter, our daughter, but like we've been really careful with like what we show her and like, you know, she doesn't get too much screen time, but she does get screen time.
And, you know, she said the other day, and like, I'm biased, but I think my, I think my daughter's perfect.
She's, you know, she's such a gorgeous, amazing, strong little girl.
And she's so pretty.
And she's just like, she's just wonderful.
I love her.
And I'm so proud to be her mom.
But so when she was going through a chemo and she lost her hair and it started to grow back, she said to Robin and I, my husband, it was, it literally broke my heart.
She was like trying to figure out what she wanted to wear that day.
And she was like, I just don't know.
She's three, mind you.
She said, but I'm not pretty.
And I was like, oof.
What do you mean?
Like, I couldn't even, like, as her mom, I was like, number one, where the fuck did you get this?
Like, and what are we doing wrong?
That, like, she doesn't think that she's pretty.
And it was her hair.
She was so attached to her hair and it was gone.
And so I went back.
And luckily, I had, right after Mandalorian came out, the wig was driving me crazy.
So I like shaved my hair off, like super, super short.
So I was able to show her a picture of me with very, very short hair.
And she thought I looked beautiful in the photo.
And that gave me the entry point to talk to her about her hair and how not all girls have long hair and not all boys have short hair.
And that, but we started telling her.
I think it was, we were so worried about enforcing that she was pretty, you know, because there's this thing in society where like you don't want to tell little girls they're pretty all the time because then they'll prioritize being pretty.
Like you're just trying to do the best by your children, right?
And so we didn't say it.
We thought telling her she's pretty, she doesn't need to hear that, right?
Like she needs to be told that she's pretty, but she needs to be told she's pretty in moments where she's not tried anything.
She's not dressed up in a nice dress.
She hasn't like done anything.
She needs to be told she's pretty after she's done a great piece of art or after she's cleaned up her playroom or after she's come out of soccer practice and she's covered in rain and she's like had such a heart and she's sweaty and she's this.
That's when she's she needs to be told she's pretty in times that are not extraordinary in just normal daily life because I am we're now trying to reinforce that that that positive self-image which is really hard.
I mean the just the inundation of people like we were talking about filters.
Everyone's using a filter.
They don't use just use filters.
People are like sucking in their waist and changing their body dimensions and making themselves look better physically just with I don't know why they need to.
And then we have an over-obsession with plastic surgery in the country and changing our appearances and to the point where people like cartoonish BBLs are somehow or another attractive to some people.
I don't know.
Like I try not to judge and I want everyone to sort of like just, you know, live their best life.
But for me, I'm, I don't know.
I'm, I want to look like myself when I wake up in the morning.
And, you know, my face doesn't look the same as it did 10 years ago, but I earned these lines, you know?
I may change my mind in 10 years.
I may see you in 10 years and I might look snatched.
Did you do that thing or do you do that thing where you look at how old your parents are and then you start like debating how much longer you have left?
Better to do that than to not do that because you could live your life just acquiring shit and just having a bunch of stuff and then not realize like, oh my God, I forgot about people.
But like, I also, like, it's, it's also very, I didn't realize because I'd made it arguably healthy enough to, you know, 42 years old.
I'm now 45.
But 42 years old without realizing how many things can kill you, I think, because I'd lived a pretty blessed life.
Of course, I'd had some health struggles of my own, but they were, I had thyroid cancer in 2008, but I call it a baby cancer.
I'm trying to dismiss the fear of it, of course, at the time, but it was never life-threatening.
It was life-changing, but never life-threatening.
So the fear was situational and it was not lifelong.
You know, when our daughter got sick and spending as much time as we did in children's hospitals, when you see the diseases and the illnesses that afflict so many children, it amazes me that we made it to this age.
And that is a realization where I finally at like, you know, 42, realized how important every day was and how much of a gift every day was, even that we have her, you know.
But that came to me through circumstance, not because I woke up one day and had an epiphany and went, we're so lucky to be alive.
Like it didn't really happen until that was threatened to be taken away.
It's unfortunate that as a civilization and America as a culture that we don't have a history of embracing the moment and discussing how important it is to recognize that you're fortunate and to try to take care of yourself and that life is very temporary and fleeting.
And we just let people figure it out on their own.
And we collectively all, if we're intelligent, we try and we have some failures and successes and good friends.
You figure it out eventually.
Like what's really important is love and friendship and doing something you're passionate about and just trying to leave a nice mark on this life while you're here.
Well, I think so, but a lot of the people that I'm friends with, most of the people that I'm friends with are artists that are more in touch, more sensitive.
You know, my dad came to me a few years ago and my dad, my entire life, told me to stop being so sensitive.
Stop being so sensitive, Katie.
Stop taking this, you're taking yourself so seriously.
Oh my God, like stop, Katie.
I mean, my entire fucking life.
And he came to me a couple years ago and he said, I am so sorry.
I told you to stop being so sensitive because it's your job.
Your job is to be sensitive to everything around you to accurately portray emotions.
So I think that, yes, do people have a lot of mental illness in Los Angeles?
Are they suffering from depression?
I would argue that the majority of the population is and it's not just reserved to California, but I do think that a lot of artists are because they're more in touch with their emotions and their mental health.
Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else when they get to that bathroom and they don't have any responsibility and no one's looking.
So I think the one that I'm talking about, so the producer of my show is telling me that there's an AI where you can put in, like, I'm a potato farmer in Idaho who's dealing with a problem with a crop in 2025, and I'm wondering about this.
It'll put together a podcast for you specifically for that and give you an hour-long podcast talking to you about things like for your potatoes.
So I guess my question about that is like if that exists, are people going to be stagnant sitting in their houses, existing outside of their houses in their AI system?
So they're not moving around?
Or are we going to be able to wear these while we're out and still participating in the world?
And are, you know, like someone the other day, so my husband's a writer.
And someone was saying that there's an AI where you don't have to make up a story for your children anymore.
Like, you know, I have this princess poopy pants or whatever.
I don't even remember what it was, but my daughter loved this story that I was telling her.
It was fucking terrible, but she loves this princess.
And it is the worst.
Like, it is not good.
But I came up with it, and she and I laughed together.
And then her reactions helped me to turn the story a different direction.
But like, I've created this like character, right?
So you can now go into your AI phone or whatever and say, create a nighttime story for Johnny about his day, but pretend like he's an astronaut on Mars and he's working with diggers.
And it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son.
Now, yeah, okay, is that cool?
Absolutely.
Did your son enjoy it?
Sure.
But you robbed yourself of the imagination and the work that it would have taken to come up with a story for your son.
And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together because his reactions would have changed the story and the way that you were creating it as it was going because he's your audience, right?
That's sad to me, like that, that people are missing out on that.
Yeah, cool.
You just, you might as well just read your kid a story because you really didn't write him a story.
That's not, and so I don't know.
That's the thing that I hope as a society, because you're right, it is coming and it's here and it's not slowing down.
But I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don't want to use it because Johnny's little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children's story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it.
And that could have been really cool.
I don't know.
I just, that's, I'm not, I'm not completely against AI.
But there also are safeguards in place that like, so my dad's entire family, we grew up in a small town on the Columbia River in Oregon, and his entire family were longshoremen.
Well, that industry was coming to an end.
And the longshoremen's union actually paid to have those guys trained in different industry.
So I, you know, I would, I would love for there to be some protections for when people inevitably do start losing their jobs, that there are avenues for them to learn a new trade.
I think that would be a great new addition to the way we approach it if they tried to figure out ways to transition people healthy, healthily into other occupations.
Because there's certain jobs like coders, for example.
Like my friends that are involved in technology, like do not go to school to code.
I am not for the government deciding what to do with that money when I've seen what you've done with the money in the past.
You guys are irresponsible.
You never make audits.
You've got insider trading running amok amongst people in Congress and you're not doing nothing about it.
And then you want more money and you say that's going to fix it.
No, it's the way you handle the money that fucking sucks.
It's not that I wouldn't want to, I would be happy to pay more in taxes and live in a place that's just managed perfectly.
I'd be like, God, it's so great living here in America.
Everything's done so well.
It's so beautiful.
It's like everything's well thought out.
Our education system's great.
Nobody is stuck in a bad neighborhood anymore.
All the school systems are fucking top of the food chain.
It's a difficult job to acquire.
It's given a lot of respect.
And everybody's doing great.
They're going to be happy.
Do you see some of the money that they've uncovered that was being spent on nonsense?
And you see what happens with NGOs and nonprofits and they're funneling billions to these things and then it's going to countries and it's helping overthrow governments.
From what I understand, and granted, you need to talk to someone much more informed than I am about this, but there were about hundreds of pages that were just cut off the end.
I had never heard about this before you talked about it.
And this is the problem with, I think it's part of the problem.
I don't think they should be allowed to make bills that way.
I think each bill, the things that are in the bills are so consequential.
It just doesn't make any sense to me that they shouldn't be treated as individual arguments.
Every single one of them.
Like if you have a bill and you have 500, I mean, let's ask Perplexity, our sponsor.
What is the average amount of different subjects that are covered in any bill?
Because when they're thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about immigration reform mixed in with Second Amendment rights, mixed in with free speech online, mixed in with support for Israel.
And there were times, and I don't remember who said it, but there were times when the big beautiful bill was passing or before it had passed that people had admittedly not even read it.
And how could you read it?
It's so big.
And so there is a problem there, and that is above my pay grade.
But I think part of the problem is that it takes a pissed off mom whose kid is sick to be like, this is a fucking problem.
This is a problem.
It is a problem that in Portland, where I'm from, that OHSU is one of the top hospitals in the country.
OHSU is given so many grants by the Knight Foundation.
It is a leading hospital.
It is attached to, say, it's a tier one hospital.
It is attached to Dornbecker.
Dornbecker is a tier two children's hospital.
It's in the same building.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
It is crazy to me that a pediatric oncologist makes 50% less than an adult oncologist.
Just across the board.
50% less.
Doesn't matter what the specialty is.
They all make less money.
That is a problem in this country that our children are not being cared for.
And we're now in a position where we're not, there are no programs, and if there were, they're gone, that are showing doctors and students that are in medical school, hey, go into pediatrics.
Hey, if you want to be an anesthesiologist, you want job security?
Go into pediatrics.
I know you're going to make 50% less, but go into pediatrics.
I mean, when they get out, they already have medical school debt.
And there's liability coverage is very, very high.
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But these people that are like congress people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars through insider trading, we're just like, I don't know what to do.
Well, and, you know, the crazy thing, so our daughter's cancer, her treatments and her care afterwards, so she's still getting this thing called an MIBG scan, which is a nuclear radiation scan where they inject her body with stuff that is so bad for you.
But it's all to scan her body to make sure that her cancer hasn't metastasized.
Like, we need to know this kind of stuff.
There's no new technology.
These are things that she's being treated with that have existed for 30 years.
Wow.
We need new things.
Like, our daughter should never have to get wheeled over to the adult side of a hospital to get an MRI because they don't have a machine on the children's side.
It just things like that should never be happening.
This is the stuff that should be supported by our government and our tax dollars.
Yeah, that's a great example of something that should be supported by tax dollars.
I've always said that the two most important things for people to be, if you want to allocate money towards helping people, it's education and health care.
Those are number one and number two.
But is there an argument that socialized medicine, I have friends that live in countries with socialized medicine like England and Canada, and it's great in some ways.
But it's also a nightmare because it takes a long time to get a surgery.
A lot of the doctors might not be the best.
You get quite a few botched surgeries that my friends have had.
And a lot of them have actually come to America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys.
But so we have seen so many people with sick children suffering financially.
You don't think about it.
It's not necessarily even the diagnosis that's causing the bankruptcy.
It's the time.
If your daughter needs a specialized cancer treatment and you've got to drive six hours each way every day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald house over by a hospital, you're not going to job.
You're not going to your work.
You're not, you know, plowing your fields.
You're not going to your nine-to-five.
You're not because your priority is your kid.
That leads to bankruptcy.
That's a really big problem.
And so it's not even, it's not even the insurance.
It's the lack of time.
It's the lack of resources that we give people when they are sick.
It's really heartbreaking.
We got bills sometimes that were like $70,000 and like these crazy numbers.
And, you know, I would take a picture and send it off to our insurance broker because we have a very, very blessed life.
And I wasn't, I mean, I was definitely shocked by it and a little concerned, but I was like, they'll handle it.
They'll let us know.
Most people don't have that.
You know, they look at that, and even though that was an error, we should have never gotten that.
It was still, you know, our portion was still $4,000 or something like that.
And that was all during the Reagan administration.
The Reagan administration, they changed how they, like what they did with mentally ill people, and they shut down a lot of these institutions and they just let people become homeless.
We were just having this conversation the other day because it's inhumane to determine how a person should live their life and where they should live their life.
And yeah, it's a very, very complicated, gray issue for sure.
You know, you see it in Portland, where I live.
It is a very complicated issue because there is not one solution.
It needs to be a multi-pronged solution with a lot of hands on deck.
I mean, in Portland, it's gotten, it was almost, I think, another thing that Portland did that was, I think, directionally correct, which was they decriminalized everything.
They said, look, we're not going to criminalize you for doing cocaine or having mushrooms.
We're just, we're not going to treat that like your personal use is a crime of anything.
But unfortunately, when they did that, people moved there to do drugs.
If you've got a decriminalized society, set up Ibergain centers in Oregon.
I mean, it'd be the perfect place for it.
You'd be able to help so many people.
Because so many of those folks are just stuck.
They're just stuck.
And if you can get them out of whatever funk they're in, whether it's an opioid or crystal meth or whatever the thing that is that has captured their life and let them find out who they are as a human, you could probably save a bunch of those folks.
It's just a stain on us as a community that we don't do anything about it.
And the answer is not just lock them up.
I think they're doing something crazy out here where they're bringing in the National Guard and they're sweeping up all the encampments and like that doesn't fix it.
You're just penalizing people for being fucked.
Yeah.
At a certain point in time, though, it's like, you ever watch that show, Hoarders?
And they're like, we're going to have to destroy this house.
This is insane.
It's like that is almost where places like Skid Row are.
Like that it's so crazy that you've let it get this bad for so long.
To even clean it up, it's almost like you have to start from scratch.
So it's almost like you'd have to take those people, you'd have to set up treatment places and take those people and convince them that there's a way to a life, that you don't want to live like this forever.
There's a way to a life and we're going to try to help you.
And have these places that are set up where they have counselors and food.
They clean people up.
They give them their appropriate mental health medication if they need it.
They talk to them.
They give them activities.
That's not like financially, prohibitably expensive.
They spent $24 billion in California trying to stop the homeless crisis or help it.
But I also know that it is not, it's a multi-pronged problem, like I said.
You know, a lot of people don't want to go into the shelters because they have an animal or they have a lot of stuff and there's limits on how many bags you can bring in.
Things like that.
So it's, you know, you're not allowed to have drugs on you.
Things that are prohibitive to persuade people to go in to places that have help.
It's going to take somebody a lot more creative than me and a lot of money and a lot of open-minded people to figure out what to do because it's a big problem.
There's no, this is a completely new thing as far as I know.
There was during the Great Depression though, but that was just like horrific poverty where they had shanty towns where whole families were living in these set up shanty towns because they couldn't afford to be in a house.
Because where there's the most people, not only are you going to have the higher percentage or rather a higher number of people with mental illnesses, but you're also going to have this thing that happens when you have too many people that live in a place where you don't value each other.
Like, I live in a neighborhood where there's a guy that lives in my neighborhood, this old fella, and he's always working on his garden.
Los Angeles alone is a strange place in some neighborhoods where you're just driving through.
You just see like, oh, this is like, if I was looking at a piece of fruit and the piece of fruit had like this bruised area and I was like, oh, what happened to this?
Somebody dropped.
Like, it's like a damaged part of your society.
You've got these people completely removed from just like a bruise just sitting there.
They're a part of it, but they're like, they're a sad part of it.
Like, no, you got to dump a lot of resources into removing these tent communities, setting these people up in some sort of a community center, some sort of a rehabilitation center.
Like, make an effort.
There's no way you can allow this because it's just the cost that's happening just to the neighborhood.
Like if you live right next door to a tent city and you're trying to sell your house, like good luck.
You'd be better off spending that money trying to help those people.
And I guarantee you, at least some of them are going to pop through on the other side, figure it out and become successful and be forever eternally grateful.
And they'll be able to help more people do the same.
There's always a few of those people that come out of those kind of treatment centers that can help other people do it.
Well, or you have high self-respect, but you had a really shitty fucking day.
Or you're, you know, someone you were caring for had cancer and you lost your house because they passed and you didn't go to work for a year and a half.
Like for whatever reason, you then start using drugs because it helps numb the life.
Well, if you wanted to put a tinfoil hat on, I'm trying to keep people down, trying to hold down society so I can control it.
I just want to fuck up the education system, put as little money into it as possible, guarantee chaos, guarantee lawlessness, at least in some segments of society.
That way we can always have reasons to bring the military onto the streets and reasons to arrest people and reasons to enact new laws and reasons to put people on digital ID.
Like if you wanted to get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn't solve it because they don't want to solve it because they want the south side of Chicago to still look like Afghanistan, the height of the war.
They want chaos.
They want murder on the streets because that way they keep people scared and that way they campaign against these various sides.
If you really wanted to get dark, you would look at it that way.
I think what happens is more than anything is that it's like really difficult to get anything done.
And it's like politically, it's not your best weapon.
Like your best weapon are what are the big cultural issues.
You know, if it is immigration reform, if you're one of those people that wants to close the border and want to stop these immigrants coming through.
And if you're on the other side, if it's, we want compassion and we want health care for all, like then those are the things that you start, you start throwing around.
Those are the things that are going to get you votes, right?
If you say, I'm going to campaign to make sure that we have health care for infants, because right now pediatricians and physicians don't get paid as much.
And this is what I'm campaigning on.
People will be like, okay, what about global warming?
It should have been done that way a long ass time ago.
That's the problem.
It's like, I don't understand how anybody who loves their kids would not want their kids to be taught by the best people possible.
So unless you're in abject poverty, where you can't even think about where your taxes go, if you have children, you should be thinking like, boy, I hope they get the best people to teach my kids.
Instead, we get people that are willing to take a job that pays so little that like almost anybody with a bachelor degree can get a better job somewhere else financially.
Get more.
You may get paid more as a waiter than most teachers get.
A girlfriend of mine was a lawyer, a trial lawyer.
New trial lawyer, but making good money.
And she had, and I might get this wrong, but she had stress-induced pancreatic shutdown.
So her body as an adult had type 1 diabetes, which is like crazy.
And it was all due to stress.
So they told her, you know, you're going to have diabetes now.
It's not like type 2.
Like, this is it, but you still need to reduce your stress.
And so she stopped being a lawyer.
Her husband was like, okay, great.
Like, this is it.
We got to reduce stress.
So she quit her job and stayed home and started doing yoga and was like, okay, I think I'm ready to try and contribute a little bit again and figure something out.
And maybe I'll go walk dogs because, you know, I like dogs.
Long walks will be stress reducing.
I can make a little extra money.
Why not do that?
By the time she started watching our dogs like at her home overnight for like a month while I was on location, she was making more money as a dog sitter slash dog walker than she ever did as a lawyer.
I think with people like that, generally, they've never tried to, this is what I think is one of the things that's very important for kids.
Find a thing.
Whatever that thing is, whether your thing is painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find a thing that's hard to do and work on getting better at that thing.
And that'll teach you so much about what life is.
And if you don't do that, if you just do the work that school gives you and then you go home and you watch TV and then you hang out with your friends and you do the work that school and you don't get involved in anything that really tests you as a person, like test your creativity or test your endurance if you want to be a runner.
Are you willing to get up every morning and actually do the work?
Like things that test you, they teach you the process of enjoying things and getting better at things.
And when people don't go through that when they're young, it's a real problem trying to find a thing and commit to it.
But if why wouldn't we believe if we believe in subatomic particles?
Okay, we believe there are things that exist in the subatomic world that are behaving like magic.
Like they're moving and not moving at the same time.
They appear and disappear.
We don't know where they're going.
There's some sort of quantum entanglement that they show where particles that are not even remotely connected to us respond to each other.
Why wouldn't we think that we are subatomic in another being?
That's true infinity.
True infinity is not just the size of the universe itself being infinite, but of literally your universe is a small part of another being that's in another universe.
There was an article that was stating that whatever they use to detect what is around this, they can detect the composition, whether it's mostly water, vapor, mostly iron.
This thing is giving off the indications that is an alloy that only exists on Earth through industrial alloy making processes.
And that's what they're getting is the signal that this thing that is hurling through space, this massive object that's moving, by the way, from the same direction in space where the WOW signal came.
So I don't know what the exact technique they were using to monitor radio waves in space, but they got a signal.
So here it is.
The WOW signal is a powerful 72-second narrow band radio signal detected on August 15th, 1977 by the Big Ear Radio Telescope at Ohio State University, which initially suggested an extraterrestrial origin, named for the WOW, written in printout by the astronomer Jerry.
The signal had characteristics expected from a technological source, but follow-up efforts have failed to detect it again.
The leading hypothesis is that a natural astrophysical event, such as a flare from a magnetar, briefly illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud, causing it to emit radio signal similar to a laser.
But is it possible then that another planet out in the universes isn't made up of, has alloy properties, and it could have chipped off and it's now hurtling through space?
Perhaps, maybe, perhaps it's a process that all intelligent emerging life goes through.
And then, you know, you have to kind of let it go through the process, like you have to let your kids fall down.
In contrast to all known comets, including the interstellar comet 21 Borisov, the observed spectrum of the gas plume around 31 Atlas shows prominent nickel emission, but no evidence for iron.
Other than 31 Atlas, this anomaly was only known to exist in industrially produced nickel alloys through the carbonyl chemical pathway, which refines nickel through the formation and decomposition of nickel tetracarbyl carbonyl, tetracarbonyl.
The authors of the new paper postulate that this carbonyl process is realized naturally near the nucleus of 31 Atlas.
They argue that this in situ formation of this thing predicts that nickel should be strongly concentrated near the nucleus.
So it's like the whole thing is some very weird metal.
That's the point.
And it's also that they're, it's weird the way it's moving.
unidentified
what are they saying about the way it's moving there's something about self-correcting or something I think they thought it had some emission.
I don't know if they do that, but I know that they put a praying mantis in a box, and then they'll drop a roach in, and the praying mantis just snatches it up and just starts eating the roach alive.
Is that we spend so much time, or I guess in our imagination, like we've been conditioned to think that, you know, intelligent life looks like something from these movies.
So we all think intelligent life is, you know, these guys with big heads or they look like us or, you know, whatever we think.
And like these, you know, I have found that the sci-fi community, especially, like one of my favorite things is going to conventions because I love, I just, I love meeting people and like new people and meeting the people that are fans of the work.
And we always have things in common.
And, and I would, I would be so bold as to to say that sci-fi fans are some of the smartest people I've ever met.
There are times I have, I have since like, Ron Moore was on my podcast and I told him that like for 25 years, I have not been able to forget this fucking violent decompressions line.
Sci-fi was a place because I, so I was a huge fan of strong women and genre work.
And I found myself gravitating toward sci-fi because that's where women existed that I identified with and I saw myself.
Like, you know, I didn't see myself as like this, you know, well, the characters I played when I moved to California, they didn't, it didn't feel like me, you know?
And I really found sort of my calling, I guess, when I started watching those women.
And I loved Sarah Michelle Geller, and I loved Lucy Lawless, and I loved Linda Hamilton, and Carrie Fisher, and like a lot of these women that were Just really, really great characters.
And they were written as great characters.
And Starbuck was, and if you talk to Ron Moore about it, the reason why he made Starbuck and Boomer women, he didn't think about it.
He just said, okay, we've got, these are the characters from the original.
These are the characters we're going to put in my version.
Women are in the military.
Women do exist in combat roles now.
And we are making this for, you know, the early aughts.
We have to be representative of what the military looks like.
We need to make a couple of these characters fit women.
And he just said, this one and this one.
He didn't even give it any thought, you know?
And so I think part of the reason why they were so great, the characters are so great, was that they were just great characters.
Right.
The writing was so great.
There was never a time where they were like, she's the best female pilot around.
I did a Spartan race with my husband because on my podcast channel, I was, you know, during COVID and then like before COVID, we were, I was creating content of sort of like Katie did sort of stuff.
Like, I'd love to do this.
Let's film it and see what it's like.
So we signed up for a Spartan race and then recorded the whole thing.
And my husband not only ran his race, but then ran my race too, like recording the whole thing.
That's the hardest thing I've ever done, like getting in shape for that thing.
I got in shape for six months before.
That was hard.
And getting to a point where I actually could do chin-ups and then also pull-ups too.
I was like, wow, I'm strong.
Like, I felt so strong.
At one point, so I get to the actual race and I'd been training with such heavy shit that I got to the medicine ball where you have to pick it up, carry it and throw it and then pick it up and carry it and throw it.
And it was so light for me.
And I was prepared for it to be like so heavy.
I got to it and I picked it up and then like I threw it and it kept going and I had to slow down because I had to go get the ball and bring it back to where it was supposed to be.
So my opinion on this is that I feel like because science fiction doesn't exist, because you're existing in these make-believe worlds, that strong women were not intimidating in sci-fi because we could be dismissed as not, but that wouldn't happen in real life.
Think that we've made physical fitness in some way because it's an industry.
I think we've made it daunting for a lot of people.
And, you know, I think that if you just focus on the things, the tried and true, like you can do that stuff in your house without weights or with things that are heavy in your house, you know, you can actually make progress.
Shit, you can go to my YouTube channel because during COVID, I was doing my workouts and I said to my husband, I was like, might as well record this shit and put it out there.
So yeah, and all of them are fun and interesting and easy.
And people still come up to me and they're like, I lost, you know, a man came up to me at a convention the other day.
He said he lost over 80 pounds doing the workouts that I put and signed up for a Spartan race, Spartan race.
That helps a lot because you hear the talk, the over talking, which we all tend to do sometimes accidentally because sometimes you don't know when to come in.
But it's a learned skill.
It's a learned skill like everything else.
It's like everything else.
And you have to learn different people, learn the dance of different people.
Some people have just a different thing.
And always, in my mind, my number one goal is to try to get the most out of them.
Like get them to have the most fun, the most get the questions that stir their interest the most.
Like I wanted to, you know, one of the things that came out of COVID for me was that, and I don't know about you, but I had weekly conversations with girlfriends I hadn't talked to in years.
And we were like every Tuesday at four o'clock, we'd have a drink and connect again.
And the conversations were wonderful because we had the time to have them again.
And then I started going back to conventions and in the green room, I was having these wonderful conversations with people.
And I was like, God, I wish I could record these because they're really authentic.
And you're getting to see people in a very different light.
And they're really opening up because it's not like a gotcha podcast.
Like, you know, if you want to cut something out, you can cut something out.
Like, I'm not here to like ruin your career.
You know.
And the conversations are really interesting.
And people are talking about things that they've never spoken about.